June 4, 2025 • 68 mins
This week the guys get back to their roots and discuss an extremist group.
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links:
- https://unicornriot.ninja/2022/patriot-front-fascist-leak-exposes-nationwide-racist-campaigns/
- https://www.counterextremism.com/supremacy/patriot-front-vanguard-america
- https://web.archive.org/web/20161203120836/https:/coppellstudentmedia.com/68851/opinions/trump-the-silent-majority-no-longer-silent/
- https://www.propublica.org/article/they-are-racist-some-of-them-have-guns-inside-the-white-supremacist-group-hiding-in-plain-sight
- https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/thomas-rousseau/
- https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-elon-musk-shares-joe-rogan-s-eye-opening-retort-infamous-patriot-front-march-dc-it-s-stupid-hurts-feelings
- https://www.factcheck.org/2025/03/white-nationalist-group-is-still-active-contrary-to-social-media-claims/
- https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/patriot-front-active-clubs-network-influence/
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- https://open.spotify.com/track/4Lz33Oi0UQ6SECXsT80Tx2?si=SxgRF_VtSAKNgNbTBmvfmA
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This is At the Extremes, beloved.
Welcome back to At the Extremes,the podcast where we discuss the
extremes in our society and how we got here.
As always, we're your hosts. I'm Greg.
And I am Sergio. Wait, are are you all?
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Today we're going to be revisiting our roots a little
bit here, Sergio. We're going to be discussing a
far right organization that has started to plant roots in
Central America, I mean Central America, Central Maryland.
But before we get into that, Sergio, what's your silver line
for the week, ma'am? So there is, it's been a a
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difficult week just with, you know, the things that happened
with life. But I have to say that, yeah,
you and I and our families had areally, really good time going
to Dave Matthews Band. And I have to be very
transparent that, you know, I listen to a little bit of Dave
Matthews in college. I was never a fan and I knew
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maybe 2 songs that, you know, that Dave played throughout the
concert. But it was awesome.
It was really, really fun. The weather was spectacular.
I'm really happy that I layered up.
You know, I had like 3 layers, ahat, and you know, other people
were wearing blankets and I was just like, oh, you got to have
the layers. But it was fun.
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It was it, that was a really funshow.
It was fun spending time with you guys and yeah, just really
enjoyed it. Yeah, man, you know, I, I'm
going to God, I'm going to sharethe same silver lining.
I was just a huge Dave Matthews Band.
I, I remember them when I was inlike the 5th grade and my music
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teacher played them between our like, warmups in music and
choir. So I just remember Dave Matthews
at a very early age and my 1 teacher in the 6th grade.
Missus Crowe shout out Miss Crowe.
She she had a day. What's?
Her first name? Cheryl.
God, you know what it's that? It's that period of life, a
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period of time in your life where you don't refer to adults
by their first name. You don't even ask.
You're just like, Oh, no, their first name is Missus or Mr. and
that's it. Like, but no, yeah, I, I really
love Dave. I know that that makes me fully
millennial at this point, but big fan.
Glad we were able to to share that experience.
Your fate. First Dave concert.
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What a great, great show. What a great show it was.
I mean, they played all the hits.
They didn't try to do anything like they it was all fastballs
right down the middle. It was just great the entire
time. You know, I feel like you have,
you have the formula and you just stick to it.
Like why deviate? And in, I think one of the
things that we both discussed while we were at the concert is
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that they all really even they're, they're older now, a
lot older than than they were when we were in college.
But Dave was hitting those, those notes and they all looked
like they were really enjoying their time.
Like they were, they, they were,they're all getting after it.
They all had big smiles. And they were, I mean, Dave is
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definitely fried out of his mind.
I think he's him and Elon. Maybe they've done a lot of
having together the South African Brotherhood, but Oh no.
Oh no, please don't put. Please, Dave, Please, Dave,
don't be that guy. Oh God I would kill.
Him he's not Dave. Dave is Dave is good, but he he
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you know, he he's he's done his his share of, of living so but
he he was great. He was on point.
He he did his thing and it was really, really fun.
And you know, I would, I would, I would definitely do that
again. Yeah, for a guy who's in the
ARAARP club, he's still just can, he can hit those notes.
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He, he he makes it happen in a way that, you know, I'm jealous
of. So goddamn.
It well so the. Taking these transfers.
Goddamn it, we're just looking at at his hands and the way he
was moving and dancing. Like, I mean, he he he looks
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like he's so pretty fit and is and is doing his thing.
I mean, your wife even even commented on like, yeah, he he
can get it. And that's fair and that's fair.
You know, I, I hope to be when I'm in my 60s to look half as
good. So how about we take a real
quick break and when we turn we're going to discuss the
Douche Canoe of the Week and a group called Patriot Front.
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We're back, Sergio. It's douche.
Great time, man. What do you have for us this
week? So Greg, you have given, you're
a great manager, you have reallytried to empower me to take a
little bit more onus when it comes to the show so that you
don't have to do like 99% of it.So you're tasking me to come up
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with some douche canoes. And so, you know, I, I accepted
that challenge and I'm going after it.
And so listeners today, this is my attempt to to get after the
douche canoe of the week and let's fucking go.
And so today, the douche canoe of the week that I am nominating
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is the Nerf Herder, a man that done a complete 180 who has his
nose so far up the ass of DonaldTrump that he looks like he face
flop into a big plate full of chocolate fondue.
So I'm just hoping all the listeners are just imagining Doo
Doo all over his face. Oh God.
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I am now. Yeah, hopefully I'll gross out
by now, but the the one the onlythe little Marco Rubio a.
Little Marco, they say. They call Little Marco a little.
Marco. They say little Marco so.
We you know, Greg, can you give me some thoughts?
What what you know without spoiling my my douche canoe
stuff, What what have been your thoughts of Marco Rubio pre
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Donald Trump? Pre Donald Trump, you know, I
thought of him as like a traditional Reagan Republican
who represented like the Cuban Florida, you know, contingent.
And and, you know, I always thought of him as kind of a
bootlicker for whoever was who was ever was in office as a
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Republican. But, you know, to be honest with
you, I kind of thought it was like milk toast.
I thought it was like a, you know, slow ball, like a
curveball way off the plate. Like, I didn't think of him as
anything that you need to pay attention to, but my God, he is.
I, I think you're going to get to this.
He's he's made some real waves. He's he's turned into something.
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And I think one of the things about Marco is, I mean, doing
the research about him at my first thoughts about him were
that he was kind of the run-of-the-mill Republican that
was really big into, you know, projecting America's
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preferences. And, you know what, we want our
policies throughout the US kind of showing the power that the
United States has. And we're going to kind of dive
into the the 180 flip that he has done since being a senator
up to his current position as Secretary of State.
So as you mentioned, Greg, MarcoRubio was a senator from Florida
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who had aspirations of being oneof the first Hispanic presidents
when he ran in 2016. That's right, he did run in
2016. He did run in. 2016 and there
was some great back and forth, you know, again, Trump is one of
the worst human being in the world, but God damn it, he has
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some great nicknames for for people.
And you know, this is the formation.
Maybe this is a villain story oflittle Marco Rubio.
So let's see if he answers it. You're I will, don't worry about
it. Don't worry about it, little
Marco. Well.
Let's hear a big, big dog. Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it. Little Marco doesn't.
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Your proposed tax cut. That's why the do not like them.
Mr. Trump, your proposed tax cut.
Jesus Christ dude, like the chaos, could you?
Just yeah, just describe that tobe what what you heard right
now. And this was the Republican
preliminaries. Yeah, yeah.
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So I remember actually, funny enough, I do remember this
because I was like, oh, this is this is just like absolute
chaos. I remember like Donald getting
up there and having more, more or less like a like a 5% chance.
And then like that night, like he like fucking eviscerated
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little Marco Rubio. He also went after like Jeb Bush
really hard. And like, he was like, I mean,
they, they were all just taking like he was taking jabs at
everybody. And I just remember it being
like, this is the most insane thing I've ever seen.
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And the fact that it was a. Reality show.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a
really good way of putting it. Sorry, but yeah, I, I think my
God, like I remember like just sitting there thinking there's
no way that this guy wins anything.
Like somebody of the cloth of like a Jeb Bush, or even at this
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point in time, like a Marco Rubio, would have made a lot of
sense for the traditional Republican Party.
And, and I can, you know, just to give you some highlights, I
think that at this point, I think that Donald Trump had
called Ted Cruz's wife ugly and had said that his father was
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responsible for the JFK assassination.
So those are just some of the highlights from from these these
primaries. Like the thing about this period
of time, and I feel like this islike the clip that we just watch
is like a great, what's the thing that you did when you were
in high school or you put like the time capsule?
This is like a yeah. It's like a time capsule of like
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2016, like we're at before everyone's brain melted and
before like we all went crazy. Like everyone was like, Oh my
God, like this isn't normal. Like, what are we talking about
here? This guy is not going to make,
he's not going to become the president.
Like he's a joke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like, this was very much like a sideshow after the Obama years.
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I remember that, yeah. Well, and you, you know, I guess
we can at, at a later episode, we can talk about Donald Trump's
kind of villain origin story. But I, I think it started up
when Obama roasted him at the White House correspondents and,
and he didn't like that. And it's incredible that that
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these are things that are on theInternet like him giving what a
microphone of the blowjob and, and him hugging an American flag
or just some of again, the low lights of politics in the United
States. But you know, not to let Marco
just get a little little Marco get dogged on.
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He he had his his get back. He's always calling me little
Marco. And I'll admit, the guy, he's
taller than me. He's like 6-2, which is why I
don't understand why his hands are the size of someone who's
52. Have you seen his hands?
And you know what they say aboutmen with small hands?
You can't trust them. You can't trust them, Jesus.
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Jesus Christ, the fact that that's where we were in 2016.
It's insane. We're talking about Dick size,
like publicly. And I mean to me too, like I I
go back to it. I'm just like, I can't believe
this stuff was said on a national stage with people that
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are running to become president of the United States.
Oh, yeah, yeah. And like, it makes you wonder.
Like I'm actually curious like where you're going to take us
here because like to go from talking about little Marco to
talking about like Dick size, like to now being the guy who's
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responsible for all of this horrible thing, all these
horrible things are happening inour country.
Like like he's also got like 3 or 4 jobs now, right?
Like how did this happen? Eventually, little Marco dropped
out of the primary with his leg,with his tail between his legs,
and he started the process as pretty much every Republican has
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done, you know, And there, there's a lot of reasons to not
like Marco Rubio. And I'm going to come off as
really, really petty, but God damn, Marco Rubio has some big
ass ears. And you know, I have, I have big
ass ears too. So but his ears are are fucking
huge. Marco.
Marco Rubio's ears are so big, he looks like a car rolling down
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the hill with both doors open. When Marco Rubio tries to speak
speak in Jamaican and in a Jamaican accent, he says hear me
now? Dude, I'm looking at his fucking
ears right now. They're gigantic.
Marco Rubio's ears are so big they should have their own zip
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code. Dude they are gigantic.
He has the largest ears I've ever seen.
You know what, wow, they're hugeand you know, I'm I'm I'm part
of the club. Mine mine aren't is big but they
stick out but. They take up half his head.
They're like they are half the side of his head.
Jesus Christ, Marco, get together.
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Though this is the kind of the area I want to talk about is
that so he really kind of stuck to traditional Republican values
of trying to have the United States policies and just their
presence in all over the world, you know, trying to stop the
kind of the the spread of communism with with Russia.
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And we're going to really talk about the this kind of 180 shift
and his whole at you know, before he was engaged with
Donald Trump to where he is at now.
And really this Mac Machiavellian principle of the
end just find the means and justkind of ugliness of politics
where you just really sell your soul to for for power.
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Got it, got it. OK, I'm in.
I'm all I'm all the way in. So, yeah, we're going to 1st
talk a little bit about Marco Rubio's kind of thought when it
comes to foreign policy. And this this will kind of refer
to a little bit about Russia andUkraine.
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And we're going to kind of talk about some pretty major policy
shift. And you know, the cuts have been
going on with Doge Russia. Russia, Russia.
Russia. Russia.
Russia. So we're going to, you know,
like I said, talk about this hishis thoughts on on policy prior.
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So this is from Al Jazeera and I'll, I'll read it.
Rubio, who serves on the state or on the Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence and Committee on Foreign Relation is
known for his hawkish approach to US foreign policy.
What if nominated and confirmed by the US Senate, would be the
first that, you know, serve as the country's top diplomat but
also mark a remarkable turn around from the Republican Party
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presidential primaries in 2016 when Marco Rubio and President
Trump infamously traded, you know, these trellish remarks
about hand sizes and stuff like that.
Since that public spat, experts at Rubio appears to have adapted
that views over the years on issues such as the war in
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Ukraine and immigration policiesthat fall in line with Trump's
current stance. You know, on paper, the two men
have different approaches to US foreign policy.
Rubio is, is more of a traditional interventionist,
advocates for a muscular approach to foreign conflicts.
What Trump's foreign policy is focused on avoiding military
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interventions at all The, the, the, the way that I have come to
understand it is you remember John Bolton, who is I don't
remember what his role was with the Trump administration his
first term. But basically it was like is
going to provide all the supportthat you can to Ukraine, give
them all the money and stuff like that, that they need to, to
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prevent Russia from continuing to expand and, and made on and,
and, and other borders and alongwith China and all this other
stuff. I think Trump is a lot more of
trying to be nation 1st and be more of a national isolationist,
which means not getting involvedin foreign affairs as much as
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the US has previously done. Would it be mean like here's my
thing, like, and, and not to take you up on anything here, I
just like, I think about like our role in Africa right now and
like what we're doing in Somalia, like we're bombing the
fucking shit out of the Somalians and like no one's
talking about it. Like the Donald Trump presidency
dropped more drone strikes in Somalia then.
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I'm pretty sure I remember this reading this correctly.
If I'm not someone correct me but I think I remember reading
that Trump dropped more drone strikes in Somalia then Obama
did in Afghanistan and Iraq which is a fuck ton of drone
strikes. Like that's a an insane amount
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of drone strikes but I digress. Well.
And, you know, you're, you're going to see a little bit more
of kind of this metamorphosis ofwhere Rubio used to stand when
it came to worldwide policy and politics to where he's at now as
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the, you know, 3 or 4 positions that he holds for the Trump
administration. There's a lot of jokes saying
that that, that, that Rubio is basically the Secretary of
State, Secretary of State and name only.
So kind of getting back into Rubio's previous stance when he
was a senator, he publicly criticized Trump's foreign
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policy, including in 2019 when he accused then President Trump
of abandoning the US military effort in Syria before it was
completely finished. And then after, you know, Trump
created his wave of, of just basically making every
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Republican fall in line with him, he started to soften his
stance and his Bethany. Oh, you mean Rubio?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you know, I had a bunch ofstuff that I continue to to talk
about when it came to Rubio and kind of his previous stances
with the the conf, the war in Ukraine and see how Rubio
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previously was all about the support of Ukraine until he
became the secretary Secretary of State, which he completely
changed 180 and is basically leaving Ukraine to to hang.
Yeah. Like, and I am so confused by
the position that the right is taking, especially this this
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White House and this administration where they're
talking about things like, you know, we have to make sure that
we're investing in America and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I can't like I bring up Somalia, but like I was reading
a piece earlier today about PeteHagseth and he was, I believe in
Taiwan. I think it was, or they were
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talking about Taiwan and they were just saying like, hey,
China, don't fucking think aboutan invasion.
If you do, it's going to be really painful for the Indo
Pacific region. And we're not going to play
around with this. And like Donald Trump is not
going to play around with it. And so like when I hear these
things like these like conflicting messages about like,
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you know, Ukraine, Taiwan, especially Israel, right?
Like we're dumping so many millions and millions of dollars
into into the Middle East specifically, but also to build
up the Indo Pacific region and like what we're doing in those
spaces. And you have to start asking
yourself a question, like if you're Donald Trump and you've
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been a buddy of Putin this long,like, yeah, like, let's go ahead
and like, ignore what's happening there and, like, start
diverting our money elsewhere. Like, it's it's a, it's a you
rub my back, I rub your back situation.
And a guy who was previously a hawk, or at least hawkish in the
traditional manner, And Marco Rubio.
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This doesn't make any sense. No, and I mean it just again, it
just kind of shows that at leastout of politics where people are
willing to sell their souls and just kind of flip 180 on what
they used to believe to, you know, for their further pursuit
of of power and trying to hold. So one again, one of the most
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consequential actions that Rubio's tenure at the Secretary
of State has been with Doge and Elon Musk and cutting funds to
USAID. Again, this is a completely 180
flip from what Rubio has stood for previously when it comes to
International Development and being able to have a presence
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worldwide, globally when it comes to areas that have
conflict and being able to provide resources for
underdeveloped countries. And so you might ask, what is
the United States of the United States Agency for International
Development? It's basically a principal US
agency responsible for administrating foreign aid and
economic development assistance outside the United States.
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So basically providing health, nutrition, vaccines, education,
all these sorts of things for areas of the world that are
underdeveloped that that struggle with civil war, with
life expectancies and things like that.
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And so USAID overall had received had a budget of two
point $21.7 billion. And if you look overall budget,
that's 2020, $1.7 billion. The fuck ton of money, like
that's, that's a lot. It ain't nothing.
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It ain't nothing. But if you look at, if you look
at overall, that's .3% of the United States overall budget,
which is insane. So you're, you're, you're, so
you have doge that's here tryingto make the government more
efficient and you're, you're cutting a part of the, the
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budget that's .3%. How does that make it more
efficient? I mean, you know, you don't have
to worry about spending that money if everyone's dead.
I guess I don't know, like you can, you can dump it back into
into the military really quicklyif people are dead.
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And, and I think one of the things that's super important,
this is what really kind of tiesup my heartstrings when it comes
to this program. But I've heard lots of different
statistics that were within the range.
But USAID is so important because it fucking saves
people's lives. It saves children's lives, it,
it saves mothers lives, it savespeople's lives.
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But it's it with the amount of money that we provide into it,
it saves between 2.3 and 5.6 million people annually.
And this is through AIDS, vaccines and preventable
diseases, TB, malaria, emergency, emergency and
humanitarian relief. These are things that, like
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Marco Rubio's name, is going to be attached to millions of
people dying. Yeah.
If you're Marco and I didn't think about like that, yeah, If
you're Marco, this is your legacy, isn't it?
This is what you're going to, especially when five years ago
you were the opposite that you were all about USAID and and so
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you're going to flip 180 and you're going to just be able to
kind of cut that. Off Wow, wow.
Just to know that you're responsible for there.
There's reports of food that is rotting in warehouses that can
go out to to people that need it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because the budget was cut. Yeah, No.
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It's and. It's fucked up.
Like if you are him, like, how does that feel any better than,
you know, fucking making some ormaking fun of a dude's cock on
on fucking stage? I mean, Jesus Christ, Sergio,
let's take a real quick break and we'll be right back.
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All right, so we're just going through the this process of
feeling and talking about how fucked up Marco Rubio is.
It's just, it's crazy. And this is the thing that just
makes me want to do crazy things.
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But Marco Rubio's response afterall these USID cuts have been
that. And this is from NPR, and I'm
going to read probably like a paragraph and a half, and it's
going to probably make you feel all really, really upset.
But in a testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee
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on May 21st, Marco Rubio declared no one has died because
of the USAID cuts as yeah, he had the gall to say that nobody
has died. He said at a subsequent
congressional hearing that no children are dying on my watch.
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And NPR interviewed a woman named Mariam Mohan Mohammed who
said the the widow the widow mother too says her younger son,
7 year old Bob Ghana Bukar Mohammed died as a result of the
disruption to US foreign aid to to to them.
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Muhammad had lived with her two sons in a single room made of
cinder blocks without running water.
She said Bab Ghana was cheerful boy who loved to ride his bike
around the neighborhood and school.
Their home sits on the town of Bama in northeastern corner of
Nigeria that has in the past been terrorized by Boko Haram.
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A militant Islamist group. Baghlana had sickle cell disease
and in the middle of the night on February 2nd, Mohammed said
her son had a fever. As soon as morning came, she
rushed him in a Kiki. It's a taxi in Nigeria to local
clinic a little over a mile awaywhere he had received care in
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the past. When she got there, the security
guard told her that the clinic was closed.
Yeah. And it's stuff like that, that
it's just like these we're, we're killing children and and
killing people because we're trying to be more efficient.
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Efficient for who? You know, Yeah.
Well, first further states that this that USAID programs are cut
based publicly based on publiclyavailable data at the time, then
factored in what researchers know about what happens when
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people and children with HIV, tuberculosomalia and malaria and
other diseases stop getting treatment.
All told, researchers estimate that over 96,000 adults and
200,000 infants and children have already died because of
cuts, which we generated 24. Yeah, well, that that earns that
earns old Marco, definitely earns Marco the the old douche
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canoe. Then you kill that many
children. You deserve that.
You deserve it. And three fucking months.
Yeah, no, it's only going to getworse.
It's only going to get worse. Like it, it it it, it can't get
any better from here. So yeah, it it is it, it, it is
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really, really frustrating to see the the ends people go to
for political power to be punching bags and to sign their
name off uncut that are going tokill that many people.
Let's take a real quick break. When we come back, we're going
to talk about a terror hate group that's taking out roots
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immediately. We're back.
So to give some background, Patriot Front, the group that
we're talking about today, it splintered from another white
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nationalist group called called the Nationalist Front, which is
a Nazi conglomerate, right? They marched at events like
Unite the Right, you know, like the one that down in
Charlottesville, VA. They're young, they're slick.
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Their website is modern ish, right?
Think clip art, but cleaner someway, right?
Like when you were like putting together like little projects
together in high school and middle school, like you were
like fiddling around. Like it's a little bit elevated
from that. It's not much more than that,
but it's like wrapped in like patriotism shit like so like
think Teddy Roosevelt, think FDR, think patent, think a lot
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of like a military heroes. George Washington's one of these
people, Thomas at Thomas Jefferson is like all over their
website, right? How about Nathan Bedford
Forrest? He was an American.
But I'm pretty sure if you give me about 15 minutes, you're
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going to find out a lot about their relationship with Nathan
Bedford Forrest. I'll find a way, don't you
worry. Oh, you're going to.
It's 6° of separation. Oh yeah, no, it's our podcast is
basically 6° of separation from Nathan Bedford Forest.
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Oh Jesus Christ. So Patriot Front are the group
that's responsible for the car ramming and homicide of counter
protesters in the late activist Heather Heyer from
Charlottesville, VA. You remember this from Donald
Trump? Very.
Fine people on both sides. You had people in that group,
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excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did.
You had people in that group that were there to protest.
I just remember hearing Donald Trump very, very important and
that renamed his media day with with this and just being
absolutely shocked at how crazy you could say that there was
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good people on both sides And when you have people marching
down with torches shouting Jews will not replace us and how you
can say that there's fine peopleon both sides because there's
not fine people on both sides. No, not even close. 111 side is
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promoting active hate and you have another side that's
protesting against that hate. Was protesting for hate that day
by the name of Thomas Rousseau. And to give you an idea of who
Thomas Rousseau is, I pulled a clip and, and, and some quotes
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from the Southern Poverty Law Center and, and, and it's, it's
pretty shocking. Only allows people of American
ethnicity, right? Which I think it's an ethnicity
who all you know, and all Americans, I believe come from
Europe. So they're white, Essentially,
yes. The answer is, and we do that
because it's a matter of representation.
Do I think other races are bad? Do I want to hurt them?
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No, I don't. We have a specific interest in
persisting and prevailing a certain culture and heritage,
right? What we see as our ethnic
interest. And in order to embody and
represent that, just like a government, we want to represent
it. We need to compose ourselves of
it just like it. Again, we try to act like a good
government should. If our government was trying to
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represent the interest of American, the people whose
families have been for 100 years, but every single person
in the government or Russian or Chinese, Jewish, would they be
able to do that? Absolutely not.
What's the incentive? Yeah, different people have
different interests. So, you know, go for it.
I want to hear your thoughts. I want to hear your.
Thoughts. Fuck him, fuck him, fuck him.
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And just that's I just what really what my first initial
thought is that, wow, that kind of sounds like JD Dance.
You just hold on to your onto your britches there a little,
sweetie, because I'm about to bring a hammer down on you.
But yeah, yeah, no, you're not wrong.
You're not wrong. It's very JD Vance adjacent for
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sure. So I want to give you this quote
from the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is a
Law Group that fights hate groups across the country.
Quote America, our nation standsbefore an existential threat.
The lives of your children and your children's children and
your prosperity beyond that dangle above a dead of Vipers.
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A corrupt, rootless, global and tyrannical elite has usurped
your democracy and turned it into weapon, first to enslave
and then to replace you. More from the SPLC Rousseau grew
up in a Oh, sorry, I didn't meanto cut across you, you, you.
You were saying something there.Sorry.
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No, I was not saying anything. I was just at the the last two
words is really. Replace you.
No, no, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's it's pretty rough.
So the SPLC actually does a pretty good bio on this guy.
So Rousseau grew up in a very wealthy suburb that was quote
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changing. And it's my opinion that when
this started to happen in his very wealthy suburb outside of
Dallas, where a lot of like Southeastern Asian folks were
moving too. So like Indian, Sri Lankan, like
we're moving in. That's when he started to
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radicalize. So a lot of this happened.
I in my opinion, in high school,I've listened to an unfortunate
amount of podcast with this guy and a lot of his content on the
sub stack, not sub stack. I'm sorry, Gab Odyssey, a lot of
these like really fringe content.
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You know, a YouTube for, for weirdo right wing people, right?
So I've listened to a lot of this stuff and I feel like this
is when like his relationship with like reality started to
untether a little bit because he, he thought he, he was seeing
people come in who don't look like him and was thinking, Oh my
God, my town's going to shit. Even though these people who are
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moving into the suburb, the suburb that he lived in, forgive
me for not remembering, but basically like it's one of the
wealthy. It's like living outside of.
Orange County or something like that.
Bethesda like think Yeah, like Bethesda.
What's the 1 Potomac like think about like living in?
Potomac like Chevy Chase. Yeah, like very, very, very well
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off people. Like they're like you are like,
it's not about like race at thatpoint, it's about class, you
know what I mean? Like these are really well off
people. And if you're there, you belong
because you make a lot of money.So that's where he's coming
from. But he like, he sees that like
environment changing and he really doesn't like it more from
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his background on the SPLC. He grew up in that wealthy
suburb. I was as I was talking about.
But while he was in that wealthysuburb, he was working for the
school newspaper. The school newspaper was called
and still is called the Sidekick.
Rousseau frequently wrote opinion columns in support of
conservative topics, including controversial campus carry laws.
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Right. So like, you know, he advocated
for bringing guns to school as aas a matter of not getting shot,
apparently in a. Separate, I have to say real
quick before you go on, like if our listeners can't see or
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you'll put the, the YouTube links up, but he's really well
spoken, you know, and whatever that means.
But he he doesn't sell. We ought to kill them all.
He he is able to articulate himself.
He's not a bad looking guy. Kind of looks like a hipster.
And he's he's, he doesn't look like Count Dracula, like Stephen
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Miller. I want to continue this.
I want to actually read off to this quote to you from a piece
that he wrote in a sense removedopinion piece that he wrote for
his school newspaper. The the title of the piece is
Trump the silent majority no longer silent.
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In the piece, Rousseau writes this.
The truth is white voters, especially the working class,
have had more than enough of being called racist, sexist,
xenophobic, Islamophobic, homophobic and the rest of the
usual buzzwords. The forgotten majority of
American electorate has shown that much of the dismay of
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globalist agenda that they have not yet been replaced by the 10s
of millions of blue voting immigrants from abroad, that
they can still hold up some semblance of a resistance
against the decay of their nation.
To me, Tom is a guy of extremes.He disrupted and we're not going
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to get into his story with the Vanguard America group just
because we're very focused on Patriot front here.
But so he leaves American Vanguard after getting to this
like little middle school tiff and he establishes a group by
the name of Patriot Front, whichis the group that we're focused
on for today. And you know, I'm thinking to
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myself because I, I, I believe in like the marketing piece of
things, right? Like, if I can.
Yeah. How do you sell yourself?
Right. Like, so like the name Patriot
Front, Where does this come from?
Like, how does Why is this important?
And Rousseau says this. Actually, he said the new name
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was carefully chosen as it serves several purposes.
It can help inspire sympathy among those more inclined
defense sitting and can be easily justified to our ideology
and worldview. The original American patriots
were nothing short of revolutionaries.
The word patriot itself comes from the same root as the
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paternal and patriarch. It means loyalty to something
intrinsically based in blood. And that's a complicated couple
sentences, but like. Pretty poetic.
The whole like it, it means loyalty to something
intrinsically in blood is like the part that bothers the fuck
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out of me. Like that's the scariest part.
Like blood should not be a part of this sentence at all.
It's very upsetting. Unless he means something by it.
Well, yeah, he definitely does. One of the more interesting bits
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and maybe serendipity bits here is how close that language
mirrors the strategy of mainstream, mainstream
Republicans currently. And I'm talking specifically
about JD Vance, right? He is.
He is the herpes of podcasting that will not go away.
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He is the herpes of our society that we're all taking penicillin
for. But there's just not enough.
We cannot get rid of JD Vance. Or or people aren't taking their
dosages correctly and it's creating a super herpes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think like, yeah, he's become
like COVID on. He's become COVID under the
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first Trump administration. He it just took off because no
one did the right thing to start.
Oh, yeah. Oh, man.
So Vance has argued the same things that Russo argues for,
right? You know, globalism,
immigration, the sense of losingyour country.
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It's mainstream hate now, right?And it frustrates to me to no
end when I hear the silver spoonversion of it through JD Vance's
mouth, right? Like I, I know for a fact the
more and more I read about JD, the more and more I am truly
convinced that I, I am right. And you are actually very wrong
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in your stance on who's more dangerous.
But returning to Tom though, in 2018, the servers of the group
were infiltrated by a an anarchist called like their
collective name. They run underneath of at least
is Union Riot, a left oriented nonprofit news organization.
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In their reporting that they didthey they they came across the
leak that reveals that Patriot Front preys on teenagers
recruiting members through the Internet who are still legally
minors, indoctrinating them withwhite supremacy ideology and
even encouraging to be like to lie to their parents so that the
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group can transport them across state lines to go to fascist
related events. Which if you recall the right
right now is very, very like turned up on, I don't know,
like. Sex.
Trafficking, yeah, exactly like they're very worried about child
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trafficking at this moment and the.
White, I guess. I guess Matt Gaetz was, you
know, yeah. Yeah, we are legally bound in
the state of Florida to not talkabout it.
We got a letter the other day. I'm only kidding.
It was just me. Me personally, I'm not allowed
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it. Was it was?
It was signed by Matt Gaetz. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It like it, but it was like signed in blood with a
thumbprint for some reason. No one knows why, but so, yeah.
Back to the story, though. Like according to the chats
within the server, the Discord server, the group's official
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policies require members to be at least 17 1/2 years old to
join. But in reality, it's a case by
case basis with some members being recruited, recruited well
below that age. We're talking like 14 or 13
years old. Actually.
I'm going to show you a picture here in a little bit where the
kid I believe is 11. So like it goes way below that
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age too. This is literally child
trafficking. Dude.
And according to leaked messages, Patriots Front rank
and file still enjoy doing Romansalutes, something that our
buddy friend of the show, no, not friend of the show, prick of
the show Elon Musk also loves todo.
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And despite rules saying they shouldn't, you know, Patriot
Front really doesn't like push back a whole lot in this way.
So they enjoy doing the Roman salute.
One of the actual remarks, and this is a quote from the chat
logs, is Sieg fucking Heil. Let's go.
I can say that now. Now the recording is over.
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So like, they think like, even when they're like, feel like
they're being recorded, like because they do a lot of like
internal propaganda work, they will like forget to shut the
cameras off because they're fucking stupid and continue to
like spout off Nazi bullshit after the cameras were shut off.
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It's pretty wild to watch. Patriot Front members are also
told that raping women is acceptable.
So not funny, but. Jesus.
No, it's, it's, it's like, I think the reason why you and I
both kind of like the fall thereis because it's just so
abrasive. Like it's, it's not funny at
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all. It's not acceptable.
But like, just how brazen they are and like how open they are
about saying things like, oh, sorry.
How misogynistic it is and how fucking disgusting you have to
be to do something like that. Well, Sergio, if you think
that's disgusting, wait till youhear the quote that I'm about to
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read you. Quote.
As long as you are raping like people in your own race.
They believe in ethnostate rape gangs, so they believe that if
would be freely target unmarriedwhite women who do not hear to
traditional values. So Discord users in their server
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repeatedly share themselves wrestling, boxing, sparring, and
shooting. They call all of this violence
training, so they firmly believein this kind of shit.
It's the most horrific reading I've done in like the last 28
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hours. Again, not funny, but it's funny
the way you said that worse 29 hours ago.
Yeah, well, yeah, I had I I'm currently reading The Turner
Diaries, so it's there and and another book that is very
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popular with the extreme right wing called Siege.
Well, let's just let's just talkabout first of all, is it just
violence training? Like where is that even
acceptable? Like that's, I mean, I guess
that's the mindset that you haveto have.
If you are you, you look at armies that incorporate rape in
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in their tactics. That's just I, I don't know,
Again, you get to the point where it's like how as a human
being could you just allow yourself to comport like that?
Yeah, no, you're, you're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right. I'll read off from the from the
script because just because it'sgoing to make it a little easier
for me here. But quote, the group activity
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mainly centers around an aggressive propaganda strategy
distributing pro mat, which is shorthand for promotional
material, which it pushes the the group's name, website and
white nationalist views. Members are required to submit
proof of weekly activism, you know, quote UN quote activism
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tasks and are criticized, scolded, punished when they
don't meet their expected quotas.
Tasks towards members weekly requirements are reviewed and
accepted by Patriot Front leaders, other national
directors or sometimes group leaders.
Tommy Russo. So it almost goes to him
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directly in some cases. Actions that help meet the
official member requirements sometimes include spray painting
or, you know, vandalizing private property.
All, you know, racial justice murals.
Like I, I know that you know, somebody, at least myself
included, because I was one of these people for a little bit
until we had to take it down because the sign went bad in the
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sun. But like, you know, you get
those like signs, like in our house, we believe in science and
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
Like we had one of those signs up for a while.
This Patriot Front would go around ripping signs out like
that and like taking it back to their place and like burning it
kind of thing and putting it on on on YouTube or whatever.
And that's how it like it counted towards your, your like
pro mat. Essentially, Patriot Front
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officials, official pro mat suchas stickers or Flyers can be
bought directly and only throughThomas Rousseau.
So you can't buy officially licensed because it is
officially licensed material unless you go through him
personally. So it's all a grift.
Like it's the worst kind of grift, but it's all a fucking
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grift. Like he's here just for the
money. God, fuck that guy.
Like it. It always seems to the, the road
always ends towards money when it comes to all this stuff.
Like you look at Donald Trump and what he's doing currently in
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this presidency and just all theblatant corruption that's going
on and the people that are around him that are just like,
well, if you're rich, you're good and you're you're being
totally empowered to do that. Yeah, like, you know, you even
think about Marco Rubio, right? Like, dude's got four different
job titles now. Like, you don't think that, he
said. Like, you're going to have to
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give me an increase to do all four of these, Mr. President?
Like, that came with an expectation, right?
One of the reasons why I wanted to cover Patriot Front was
because recently enough in my community, one of their official
pro mats showed up spray paintedon one of the more used county
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parks under bridge part, like part of the under underside of a
bridge. And it was something that I
raised the alarm to to the county Twitter page.
Like this was like a year and a half ago.
And I mentioned it to them and Iwas like, hey, you really need
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to pay attention to this. This is really dangerous stuff
and I fought it with my like local representative.
I even followed up with like like the neighborhood.
The delegate or council person or whatever.
Yeah, like some like local delegate, right, Like county
delegate. And I was like, this is really
bad news like that. The fact that this is in our
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county, I need you to know, likethis is like, this is a like a
Ku Klux Klan kind of thing that's coming unless we do
something to like make somethinghappen.
And I was told, oh, I think you might be overreacting.
Like these are just a small group of people, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. As recently as of May this year,
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2025 of our Lord, there were pamphlets all over downtown
Baltimore. So like these people haven't
gone away. And we're going to talk a little
bit about like who's trying to cover up for these people in
terms of like trying to like make them go away, but they
actually haven't. And that's really, really
dangerous. I think there we should probably
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take a real quick break. I know that we're going a little
bit long here, but I like, I, I want to kind of finish telling
you the story for your company. We're back and I kind of want to
bring us to current day because I feel like that's where I left
us off at. And it's more about like the
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current right wing itself. You know, the one thing about
what where, where the right wing's at right now is they're
they're getting better at media and their presentation.
And this kid, Thomas Rousseau, this guy was born in 1998,
Sergio. So like this guy is born during
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the period of the Internet, right?
Like he knows what is like looksgood, like what doesn't look
good. Like he's a part, like he's a
part of that, that prime Internet culture where they had
early Internet and then like allthe meme boards, right?
Like they had like all of that stuff, like, like they're really
good at the Internet. And this guy is so much better
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at the game than the guys that we grew up with during like, you
know, 1999 where I'm going into high school.
You're already in high school. And like, we're worried about
like Tamagotchi's going out of fashion, you know what I mean?
Like very different world than we grew up in.
Like these guys are really good at the Internet.
The old right is no longer a part of the game.
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Like this guy is a part of the new right.
Like the ones who were on podcasts to have YouTube
channels who are all over TikTok, like these guys know how
to do the Internet. And you know, I've played a a a
clip earlier in the show about Thomas, but he was on a podcast
by a guy with a guy by the name of Jake.
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He is a podcaster UFC fighter and also like right wing
conspiracy nut. And like, these are the kind of
podcasts like guys like this show up on.
Did you vote and what's your opinions on Donald Trump or are
are you a big Kamala Harris supporter?
Absolutely not. You know, Harris would have been
a terrible president, but also in principle because she's not
only is she not American, but she's not a man.
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And I think statesmanship is a statesman.
Her husband is a dual citizen, too.
Oh, great. Yeah.
But I didn't vote for Trump and I don't support Trump.
I'm going to stop right there because he said something that I
haven't really established yet. Russo is incredibly
anti-Semitic, so when you. Yeah.
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Yeah. So when you hear things like
dual citizenship or like dual citizen, he's referring
specifically to people who Jewish people in the in the
United States who have dual citizenship in Israel.
I support some of the things that Trump says, right?
You know, I think obviously deporting.
So he is incredibly anti-Semitic, but on the same
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show, he was asked, you know, how do you vote, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. And somehow it prompts Tom Tommy
Russo to go into like, great replacement theory stuff.
And it again, it just sets an example that, you know, you can
take your own side. That's a huge thing when the
country is so internationalized.Everybody's talking about, you
know, and this is the same thingwith the foreign wars.
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Everybody's arguing over Israel,Palestine, Russia, Ukraine, you
know, China, whatever, right? But at the end of the day, as
Americans, you know, when we have all these foreigners in our
country, we don't, we don't justimport their bodies, we import
their religions, import their, their vices, their biases, their
grudges, right? You know, just like where were
tons of, you know, pro and anti Israel demonstrations happening?
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New York. Again, this is just a mis
education that all these immigrants and quote UN quote
illegals are coming in that are taking welfare and they're not
because they don't qualify for it.
And so every kind of statistic is going to show that the
majority of the time that immigrant communities have way
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lower crime rates than, you know, non immigrant communities,
that a majority of them are trying to stay underneath the
radar so they don't cause trouble or or get seen.
They're paying into Social Security local areas with local
foods that then become gentrified by hipsters.
And it is a spear mongering and racism.
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Yeah. No, it is.
It is nothing more than that. And you know, the guy who who
had him on his podcast is I think he interviewed David Duke.
You know, so like, this is former Klansman, governor of
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Louisiana, former presidential candidate David.
I ran for president, right? Yeah, Grand Dragon of the Klan.
So this is the kind of people this guy, like the circles of
this guy walks around in. So just to keep that in mind, in
June of 2022, you know, three years ago in Coeur d'Alene,
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Idaho at a pride festival and happy pride, everyone happy.
Pride. 3031 Patriot member Patriot Front members were
arrested, including Thomas Russohimself.
And I think a lot of folks wouldremember hearing something in
the news about how a bunch of like white nationalists got
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locked up coming like getting marched out of the back of a
U-Haul van at some point in time.
Like a lot of like a lot of people saw this on the Internet.
It was like it was a meme apparently.
But you know they. And and then also the thing too
is like, you have to be really abig fucking Nazi to get arrested
in Coeur d'Alene, because Coeur d'Alene is basically like the
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Nazi Mecca of the United States.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I actually had written somethingup about, you know, how we had
talked about this when we when we covered your own, I think it
was your, your own Idaho. I think that was the episode
that we covered a lot of this stuff.
But like, yeah, yeah. Like Idaho is not Idaho is
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pretty like heavy white nationalist area.
The Patriot Front has been setting up shop in a little
state in the South called Tennessee.
The Patriot Front was reported to be building a combat compound
in rural Tennessee. Local Nashville news affiliate
Channel 5 describes it as the following.
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Behind the scenes, Patriot Frontis preparing for war, building a
compound in Tennessee where theytrained men for battles that
sometimes play out on the streets of America.
Yeah. So.
So, you know, I really quickly want to get my, my final
thoughts. If I can, then I'll.
I'll turn it over to you in the first clip where Tom Rousseau
(01:01:48):
says he wants Patriot Front to act like a government made of
the people who make up his ethnic interests.
He he's a Klansman. Like that's what he is.
He's a Klansmen through and through.
You know, it's just a nicer fascist outfit, that's all it
is. He's a part of a generation that
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we were all told that is woke and was going to save all of us
from ourselves. But he's no different from any
other generation that came before him.
They all have hate in their hearts and it, you know, it's
hard to identify exactly what makes that happen for somebody,
I think. But like, he's no different from
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anybody else. And like we all the hope that we
had in these stupid, miserable, lazy assholes that came after
us, that's all gone. Like they're all just equally as
stupid as that the rest of us, right?
But these young men who are partof this movement now are better
at manipulating the message thanany of the kids that we grew up
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with. Like the miserable assholes that
you and I grew up with. Who wanted black people to go
back to Africa, like, or like, you know, drew a swastika in
the, in the bathroom kind of thing.
Like, like we all know those kids from our, our elementary
school and high school days. And like, these kids are better
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at it. They're so much better at it.
Seven years ago and I, I came across this Ted Talk from Aaron
Saltman. She's she she had this to say
when she stated a right wing camp in Hungary.
It's a very good at is taking a very complicated, confusing,
nuanced world and simplifying that world into black and white,
(01:03:37):
good and evil, and you become what is good, challenging what
is evil. I, I, I heard that and I, I
thought that was like, my God, like nothing's wrong truer.
You know, you were talking aboutMarco Rubio earlier in the
episode and we're talking about Patriot Front right now.
(01:03:58):
And I think what both of those, you know, one organization and
and one person are trying to do is just flatten the message and
say, hey, look, this is a very complex problem, but we're going
to make a really simple solution.
And what the right wing is really good about doing recently
is just flattening the messagingand saying, you know what, you
(01:04:21):
don't like illegals, Neither do I let's get rid of them, you
know what I mean? Or oh, well, we don't like to
have to think about like what we're saying.
Let's just like end your abilityto say it.
And so, you know, I think about the story about Marco Rubio and,
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and you know, the story about Patriot Front and really what it
all boils down to is like they just cannot be, can't handle
being told they're wrong. They can't handle their egos are
so sensitive. And that is a, you know, God ego
(01:05:02):
is, is one of the things that weall struggle with.
But like, I, I, I hope that to never struggle with it at this
level, you know what I mean? But yeah, you know, I, I want to
turn it over to you for your final thoughts because that's,
that's where I'm going to leave for this week.
So I, I want to turn over to youand and then we can wrap up the
show for for for the night. The one of the things that you
said earlier made me just think about the concept a little bit
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harder and, and that is that they're, they're doing a really
good job with the Internet. They're able to spread this
message of hate and package it and an educated way that rings
true that's flashy, that is up to times with technology and
TikTok and stuff like that. And then it it goes back to
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somebody like Advance, right? Who?
And a Marco Rubio who will spoutthis replacement theory and talk
about, you know, replacing the white.
Yet he is married to a woman of Indian descent and has children
with them. And so he's basically
gaslighting his people by sayinglike, yeah, what are you doing?
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Oh, no, my wife. No, we're, we're good.
You know, we're, we're part of this movement.
We believe this. Yeah.
And so you have people that are able to either a lie to your
face or just be completely hypocritical.
And people are just so going to like allow that to happen
without really giving any pushback in.
For me, it all goes with the advertising and the way you
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package things. If you make it look really,
really pretty and shiny, and yousay it may be a less intensive
way and that you can get this message across.
And then you can really, really start to stick your tentacles in
to or your hooks into potential people that are disenfranchised
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that are going to think like, Ohyeah, this, this shit is true.
Like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in the melting pot
or all this stuff. And so it's, it's ingenious.
And you, it's really scary to think that there's really,
really educated people that either grifting to make lots of
money or that they truly believein this stuff, that they can try
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to influence people to do horrendous things and say
horrendous things to people justtotally based on the color of
their skin or where they come from.
Yeah. Well, what's your name?
Don't partner or do later. Yeah.
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This is At the Extremes, beloved.
Welcome back to At the Extremes,the podcast where we discuss the
extremes in our society and how we got here.
As always, we're your hosts. I'm Greg.
And I am Sergio. Wait, are are you all?
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Today we're going to be revisiting our roots a little
bit here, Sergio. We're going to be discussing a
far right organization that has started to plant roots in
Central America, I mean Central America, Central Maryland.
But before we get into that, Sergio, what's your silver line
for the week, ma'am? So there is, it's been a a
(00:53):
difficult week just with, you know, the things that happened
with life. But I have to say that, yeah,
you and I and our families had areally, really good time going
to Dave Matthews Band. And I have to be very
transparent that, you know, I listen to a little bit of Dave
Matthews in college. I was never a fan and I knew
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maybe 2 songs that, you know, that Dave played throughout the
concert. But it was awesome.
It was really, really fun. The weather was spectacular.
I'm really happy that I layered up.
You know, I had like 3 layers, ahat, and you know, other people
were wearing blankets and I was just like, oh, you got to have
the layers. But it was fun.
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It was it, that was a really funshow.
It was fun spending time with you guys and yeah, just really
enjoyed it. Yeah, man, you know, I, I'm
going to God, I'm going to sharethe same silver lining.
I was just a huge Dave Matthews Band.
I, I remember them when I was inlike the 5th grade and my music
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teacher played them between our like, warmups in music and
choir. So I just remember Dave Matthews
at a very early age and my 1 teacher in the 6th grade.
Missus Crowe shout out Miss Crowe.
She she had a day. What's?
Her first name? Cheryl.
God, you know what it's that? It's that period of life, a
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period of time in your life where you don't refer to adults
by their first name. You don't even ask.
You're just like, Oh, no, their first name is Missus or Mr. and
that's it. Like, but no, yeah, I, I really
love Dave. I know that that makes me fully
millennial at this point, but big fan.
Glad we were able to to share that experience.
Your fate. First Dave concert.
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What a great, great show. What a great show it was.
I mean, they played all the hits.
They didn't try to do anything like they it was all fastballs
right down the middle. It was just great the entire
time. You know, I feel like you have,
you have the formula and you just stick to it.
Like why deviate? And in, I think one of the
things that we both discussed while we were at the concert is
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that they all really even they're, they're older now, a
lot older than than they were when we were in college.
But Dave was hitting those, those notes and they all looked
like they were really enjoying their time.
Like they were, they, they were,they're all getting after it.
They all had big smiles. And they were, I mean, Dave is
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definitely fried out of his mind.
I think he's him and Elon. Maybe they've done a lot of
having together the South African Brotherhood, but Oh no.
Oh no, please don't put. Please, Dave, Please, Dave,
don't be that guy. Oh God I would kill.
Him he's not Dave. Dave is Dave is good, but he he
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you know, he he's he's done his his share of, of living so but
he he was great. He was on point.
He he did his thing and it was really, really fun.
And you know, I would, I would, I would definitely do that
again. Yeah, for a guy who's in the
ARAARP club, he's still just can, he can hit those notes.
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He, he he makes it happen in a way that, you know, I'm jealous
of. So goddamn.
It well so the. Taking these transfers.
Goddamn it, we're just looking at at his hands and the way he
was moving and dancing. Like, I mean, he he he looks
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like he's so pretty fit and is and is doing his thing.
I mean, your wife even even commented on like, yeah, he he
can get it. And that's fair and that's fair.
You know, I, I hope to be when I'm in my 60s to look half as
good. So how about we take a real
quick break and when we turn we're going to discuss the
Douche Canoe of the Week and a group called Patriot Front.
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We're back, Sergio. It's douche.
Great time, man. What do you have for us this
week? So Greg, you have given, you're
a great manager, you have reallytried to empower me to take a
little bit more onus when it comes to the show so that you
don't have to do like 99% of it.So you're tasking me to come up
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with some douche canoes. And so, you know, I, I accepted
that challenge and I'm going after it.
And so listeners today, this is my attempt to to get after the
douche canoe of the week and let's fucking go.
And so today, the douche canoe of the week that I am nominating
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is the Nerf Herder, a man that done a complete 180 who has his
nose so far up the ass of DonaldTrump that he looks like he face
flop into a big plate full of chocolate fondue.
So I'm just hoping all the listeners are just imagining Doo
Doo all over his face. Oh God.
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I am now. Yeah, hopefully I'll gross out
by now, but the the one the onlythe little Marco Rubio a.
Little Marco, they say. They call Little Marco a little.
Marco. They say little Marco so.
We you know, Greg, can you give me some thoughts?
What what you know without spoiling my my douche canoe
stuff, What what have been your thoughts of Marco Rubio pre
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Donald Trump? Pre Donald Trump, you know, I
thought of him as like a traditional Reagan Republican
who represented like the Cuban Florida, you know, contingent.
And and, you know, I always thought of him as kind of a
bootlicker for whoever was who was ever was in office as a
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Republican. But, you know, to be honest with
you, I kind of thought it was like milk toast.
I thought it was like a, you know, slow ball, like a
curveball way off the plate. Like, I didn't think of him as
anything that you need to pay attention to, but my God, he is.
I, I think you're going to get to this.
He's he's made some real waves. He's he's turned into something.
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And I think one of the things about Marco is, I mean, doing
the research about him at my first thoughts about him were
that he was kind of the run-of-the-mill Republican that
was really big into, you know, projecting America's
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preferences. And, you know what, we want our
policies throughout the US kind of showing the power that the
United States has. And we're going to kind of dive
into the the 180 flip that he has done since being a senator
up to his current position as Secretary of State.
So as you mentioned, Greg, MarcoRubio was a senator from Florida
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who had aspirations of being oneof the first Hispanic presidents
when he ran in 2016. That's right, he did run in
2016. He did run in. 2016 and there
was some great back and forth, you know, again, Trump is one of
the worst human being in the world, but God damn it, he has
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some great nicknames for for people.
And you know, this is the formation.
Maybe this is a villain story oflittle Marco Rubio.
So let's see if he answers it. You're I will, don't worry about
it. Don't worry about it, little
Marco. Well.
Let's hear a big, big dog. Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it. Little Marco doesn't.
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Your proposed tax cut. That's why the do not like them.
Mr. Trump, your proposed tax cut.
Jesus Christ dude, like the chaos, could you?
Just yeah, just describe that tobe what what you heard right
now. And this was the Republican
preliminaries. Yeah, yeah.
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So I remember actually, funny enough, I do remember this
because I was like, oh, this is this is just like absolute
chaos. I remember like Donald getting
up there and having more, more or less like a like a 5% chance.
And then like that night, like he like fucking eviscerated
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little Marco Rubio. He also went after like Jeb Bush
really hard. And like, he was like, I mean,
they, they were all just taking like he was taking jabs at
everybody. And I just remember it being
like, this is the most insane thing I've ever seen.
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And the fact that it was a. Reality show.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a
really good way of putting it. Sorry, but yeah, I, I think my
God, like I remember like just sitting there thinking there's
no way that this guy wins anything.
Like somebody of the cloth of like a Jeb Bush, or even at this
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point in time, like a Marco Rubio, would have made a lot of
sense for the traditional Republican Party.
And, and I can, you know, just to give you some highlights, I
think that at this point, I think that Donald Trump had
called Ted Cruz's wife ugly and had said that his father was
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responsible for the JFK assassination.
So those are just some of the highlights from from these these
primaries. Like the thing about this period
of time, and I feel like this islike the clip that we just watch
is like a great, what's the thing that you did when you were
in high school or you put like the time capsule?
This is like a yeah. It's like a time capsule of like
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2016, like we're at before everyone's brain melted and
before like we all went crazy. Like everyone was like, Oh my
God, like this isn't normal. Like, what are we talking about
here? This guy is not going to make,
he's not going to become the president.
Like he's a joke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like, this was very much like a sideshow after the Obama years.
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I remember that, yeah. Well, and you, you know, I guess
we can at, at a later episode, we can talk about Donald Trump's
kind of villain origin story. But I, I think it started up
when Obama roasted him at the White House correspondents and,
and he didn't like that. And it's incredible that that
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these are things that are on theInternet like him giving what a
microphone of the blowjob and, and him hugging an American flag
or just some of again, the low lights of politics in the United
States. But you know, not to let Marco
just get a little little Marco get dogged on.
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He he had his his get back. He's always calling me little
Marco. And I'll admit, the guy, he's
taller than me. He's like 6-2, which is why I
don't understand why his hands are the size of someone who's
52. Have you seen his hands?
And you know what they say aboutmen with small hands?
You can't trust them. You can't trust them, Jesus.
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Jesus Christ, the fact that that's where we were in 2016.
It's insane. We're talking about Dick size,
like publicly. And I mean to me too, like I I
go back to it. I'm just like, I can't believe
this stuff was said on a national stage with people that
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are running to become president of the United States.
Oh, yeah, yeah. And like, it makes you wonder.
Like I'm actually curious like where you're going to take us
here because like to go from talking about little Marco to
talking about like Dick size, like to now being the guy who's
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responsible for all of this horrible thing, all these
horrible things are happening inour country.
Like like he's also got like 3 or 4 jobs now, right?
Like how did this happen? Eventually, little Marco dropped
out of the primary with his leg,with his tail between his legs,
and he started the process as pretty much every Republican has
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done, you know, And there, there's a lot of reasons to not
like Marco Rubio. And I'm going to come off as
really, really petty, but God damn, Marco Rubio has some big
ass ears. And you know, I have, I have big
ass ears too. So but his ears are are fucking
huge. Marco.
Marco Rubio's ears are so big, he looks like a car rolling down
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the hill with both doors open. When Marco Rubio tries to speak
speak in Jamaican and in a Jamaican accent, he says hear me
now? Dude, I'm looking at his fucking
ears right now. They're gigantic.
Marco Rubio's ears are so big they should have their own zip
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code. Dude they are gigantic.
He has the largest ears I've ever seen.
You know what, wow, they're hugeand you know, I'm I'm I'm part
of the club. Mine mine aren't is big but they
stick out but. They take up half his head.
They're like they are half the side of his head.
Jesus Christ, Marco, get together.
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Though this is the kind of the area I want to talk about is
that so he really kind of stuck to traditional Republican values
of trying to have the United States policies and just their
presence in all over the world, you know, trying to stop the
kind of the the spread of communism with with Russia.
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And we're going to really talk about the this kind of 180 shift
and his whole at you know, before he was engaged with
Donald Trump to where he is at now.
And really this Mac Machiavellian principle of the
end just find the means and justkind of ugliness of politics
where you just really sell your soul to for for power.
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Got it, got it. OK, I'm in.
I'm all I'm all the way in. So, yeah, we're going to 1st
talk a little bit about Marco Rubio's kind of thought when it
comes to foreign policy. And this this will kind of refer
to a little bit about Russia andUkraine.
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And we're going to kind of talk about some pretty major policy
shift. And you know, the cuts have been
going on with Doge Russia. Russia, Russia.
Russia. Russia.
Russia. So we're going to, you know,
like I said, talk about this hishis thoughts on on policy prior.
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So this is from Al Jazeera and I'll, I'll read it.
Rubio, who serves on the state or on the Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence and Committee on Foreign Relation is
known for his hawkish approach to US foreign policy.
What if nominated and confirmed by the US Senate, would be the
first that, you know, serve as the country's top diplomat but
also mark a remarkable turn around from the Republican Party
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presidential primaries in 2016 when Marco Rubio and President
Trump infamously traded, you know, these trellish remarks
about hand sizes and stuff like that.
Since that public spat, experts at Rubio appears to have adapted
that views over the years on issues such as the war in
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Ukraine and immigration policiesthat fall in line with Trump's
current stance. You know, on paper, the two men
have different approaches to US foreign policy.
Rubio is, is more of a traditional interventionist,
advocates for a muscular approach to foreign conflicts.
What Trump's foreign policy is focused on avoiding military
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interventions at all The, the, the, the way that I have come to
understand it is you remember John Bolton, who is I don't
remember what his role was with the Trump administration his
first term. But basically it was like is
going to provide all the supportthat you can to Ukraine, give
them all the money and stuff like that, that they need to, to
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prevent Russia from continuing to expand and, and made on and,
and, and other borders and alongwith China and all this other
stuff. I think Trump is a lot more of
trying to be nation 1st and be more of a national isolationist,
which means not getting involvedin foreign affairs as much as
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the US has previously done. Would it be mean like here's my
thing, like, and, and not to take you up on anything here, I
just like, I think about like our role in Africa right now and
like what we're doing in Somalia, like we're bombing the
fucking shit out of the Somalians and like no one's
talking about it. Like the Donald Trump presidency
dropped more drone strikes in Somalia then.
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I'm pretty sure I remember this reading this correctly.
If I'm not someone correct me but I think I remember reading
that Trump dropped more drone strikes in Somalia then Obama
did in Afghanistan and Iraq which is a fuck ton of drone
strikes. Like that's a an insane amount
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of drone strikes but I digress. Well.
And, you know, you're, you're going to see a little bit more
of kind of this metamorphosis ofwhere Rubio used to stand when
it came to worldwide policy and politics to where he's at now as
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the, you know, 3 or 4 positions that he holds for the Trump
administration. There's a lot of jokes saying
that that, that, that Rubio is basically the Secretary of
State, Secretary of State and name only.
So kind of getting back into Rubio's previous stance when he
was a senator, he publicly criticized Trump's foreign
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policy, including in 2019 when he accused then President Trump
of abandoning the US military effort in Syria before it was
completely finished. And then after, you know, Trump
created his wave of, of just basically making every
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Republican fall in line with him, he started to soften his
stance and his Bethany. Oh, you mean Rubio?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you know, I had a bunch ofstuff that I continue to to talk
about when it came to Rubio and kind of his previous stances
with the the conf, the war in Ukraine and see how Rubio
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previously was all about the support of Ukraine until he
became the secretary Secretary of State, which he completely
changed 180 and is basically leaving Ukraine to to hang.
Yeah. Like, and I am so confused by
the position that the right is taking, especially this this
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White House and this administration where they're
talking about things like, you know, we have to make sure that
we're investing in America and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I can't like I bring up Somalia, but like I was reading
a piece earlier today about PeteHagseth and he was, I believe in
Taiwan. I think it was, or they were
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talking about Taiwan and they were just saying like, hey,
China, don't fucking think aboutan invasion.
If you do, it's going to be really painful for the Indo
Pacific region. And we're not going to play
around with this. And like Donald Trump is not
going to play around with it. And so like when I hear these
things like these like conflicting messages about like,
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you know, Ukraine, Taiwan, especially Israel, right?
Like we're dumping so many millions and millions of dollars
into into the Middle East specifically, but also to build
up the Indo Pacific region and like what we're doing in those
spaces. And you have to start asking
yourself a question, like if you're Donald Trump and you've
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been a buddy of Putin this long,like, yeah, like, let's go ahead
and like, ignore what's happening there and, like, start
diverting our money elsewhere. Like, it's it's a, it's a you
rub my back, I rub your back situation.
And a guy who was previously a hawk, or at least hawkish in the
traditional manner, And Marco Rubio.
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This doesn't make any sense. No, and I mean it just again, it
just kind of shows that at leastout of politics where people are
willing to sell their souls and just kind of flip 180 on what
they used to believe to, you know, for their further pursuit
of of power and trying to hold. So one again, one of the most
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consequential actions that Rubio's tenure at the Secretary
of State has been with Doge and Elon Musk and cutting funds to
USAID. Again, this is a completely 180
flip from what Rubio has stood for previously when it comes to
International Development and being able to have a presence
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worldwide, globally when it comes to areas that have
conflict and being able to provide resources for
underdeveloped countries. And so you might ask, what is
the United States of the United States Agency for International
Development? It's basically a principal US
agency responsible for administrating foreign aid and
economic development assistance outside the United States.
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So basically providing health, nutrition, vaccines, education,
all these sorts of things for areas of the world that are
underdeveloped that that struggle with civil war, with
life expectancies and things like that.
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And so USAID overall had received had a budget of two
point $21.7 billion. And if you look overall budget,
that's 2020, $1.7 billion. The fuck ton of money, like
that's, that's a lot. It ain't nothing.
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It ain't nothing. But if you look at, if you look
at overall, that's .3% of the United States overall budget,
which is insane. So you're, you're, you're, so
you have doge that's here tryingto make the government more
efficient and you're, you're cutting a part of the, the
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budget that's .3%. How does that make it more
efficient? I mean, you know, you don't have
to worry about spending that money if everyone's dead.
I guess I don't know, like you can, you can dump it back into
into the military really quicklyif people are dead.
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And, and I think one of the things that's super important,
this is what really kind of tiesup my heartstrings when it comes
to this program. But I've heard lots of different
statistics that were within the range.
But USAID is so important because it fucking saves
people's lives. It saves children's lives, it,
it saves mothers lives, it savespeople's lives.
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But it's it with the amount of money that we provide into it,
it saves between 2.3 and 5.6 million people annually.
And this is through AIDS, vaccines and preventable
diseases, TB, malaria, emergency, emergency and
humanitarian relief. These are things that, like
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Marco Rubio's name, is going to be attached to millions of
people dying. Yeah.
If you're Marco and I didn't think about like that, yeah, If
you're Marco, this is your legacy, isn't it?
This is what you're going to, especially when five years ago
you were the opposite that you were all about USAID and and so
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you're going to flip 180 and you're going to just be able to
kind of cut that. Off Wow, wow.
Just to know that you're responsible for there.
There's reports of food that is rotting in warehouses that can
go out to to people that need it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because the budget was cut. Yeah, No.
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It's and. It's fucked up.
Like if you are him, like, how does that feel any better than,
you know, fucking making some ormaking fun of a dude's cock on
on fucking stage? I mean, Jesus Christ, Sergio,
let's take a real quick break and we'll be right back.
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All right, so we're just going through the this process of
feeling and talking about how fucked up Marco Rubio is.
It's just, it's crazy. And this is the thing that just
makes me want to do crazy things.
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But Marco Rubio's response afterall these USID cuts have been
that. And this is from NPR, and I'm
going to read probably like a paragraph and a half, and it's
going to probably make you feel all really, really upset.
But in a testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee
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on May 21st, Marco Rubio declared no one has died because
of the USAID cuts as yeah, he had the gall to say that nobody
has died. He said at a subsequent
congressional hearing that no children are dying on my watch.
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And NPR interviewed a woman named Mariam Mohan Mohammed who
said the the widow the widow mother too says her younger son,
7 year old Bob Ghana Bukar Mohammed died as a result of the
disruption to US foreign aid to to to them.
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Muhammad had lived with her two sons in a single room made of
cinder blocks without running water.
She said Bab Ghana was cheerful boy who loved to ride his bike
around the neighborhood and school.
Their home sits on the town of Bama in northeastern corner of
Nigeria that has in the past been terrorized by Boko Haram.
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A militant Islamist group. Baghlana had sickle cell disease
and in the middle of the night on February 2nd, Mohammed said
her son had a fever. As soon as morning came, she
rushed him in a Kiki. It's a taxi in Nigeria to local
clinic a little over a mile awaywhere he had received care in
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the past. When she got there, the security
guard told her that the clinic was closed.
Yeah. And it's stuff like that, that
it's just like these we're, we're killing children and and
killing people because we're trying to be more efficient.
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Efficient for who? You know, Yeah.
Well, first further states that this that USAID programs are cut
based publicly based on publiclyavailable data at the time, then
factored in what researchers know about what happens when
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people and children with HIV, tuberculosomalia and malaria and
other diseases stop getting treatment.
All told, researchers estimate that over 96,000 adults and
200,000 infants and children have already died because of
cuts, which we generated 24. Yeah, well, that that earns that
earns old Marco, definitely earns Marco the the old douche
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canoe. Then you kill that many
children. You deserve that.
You deserve it. And three fucking months.
Yeah, no, it's only going to getworse.
It's only going to get worse. Like it, it it it, it can't get
any better from here. So yeah, it it is it, it, it is
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really, really frustrating to see the the ends people go to
for political power to be punching bags and to sign their
name off uncut that are going tokill that many people.
Let's take a real quick break. When we come back, we're going
to talk about a terror hate group that's taking out roots
(31:09):
immediately. We're back.
So to give some background, Patriot Front, the group that
we're talking about today, it splintered from another white
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nationalist group called called the Nationalist Front, which is
a Nazi conglomerate, right? They marched at events like
Unite the Right, you know, like the one that down in
Charlottesville, VA. They're young, they're slick.
(31:51):
Their website is modern ish, right?
Think clip art, but cleaner someway, right?
Like when you were like putting together like little projects
together in high school and middle school, like you were
like fiddling around. Like it's a little bit elevated
from that. It's not much more than that,
but it's like wrapped in like patriotism shit like so like
think Teddy Roosevelt, think FDR, think patent, think a lot
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of like a military heroes. George Washington's one of these
people, Thomas at Thomas Jefferson is like all over their
website, right? How about Nathan Bedford
Forrest? He was an American.
But I'm pretty sure if you give me about 15 minutes, you're
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going to find out a lot about their relationship with Nathan
Bedford Forrest. I'll find a way, don't you
worry. Oh, you're going to.
It's 6° of separation. Oh yeah, no, it's our podcast is
basically 6° of separation from Nathan Bedford Forest.
(32:59):
Oh Jesus Christ. So Patriot Front are the group
that's responsible for the car ramming and homicide of counter
protesters in the late activist Heather Heyer from
Charlottesville, VA. You remember this from Donald
Trump? Very.
Fine people on both sides. You had people in that group,
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excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did.
You had people in that group that were there to protest.
I just remember hearing Donald Trump very, very important and
that renamed his media day with with this and just being
absolutely shocked at how crazy you could say that there was
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good people on both sides And when you have people marching
down with torches shouting Jews will not replace us and how you
can say that there's fine peopleon both sides because there's
not fine people on both sides. No, not even close. 111 side is
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promoting active hate and you have another side that's
protesting against that hate. Was protesting for hate that day
by the name of Thomas Rousseau. And to give you an idea of who
Thomas Rousseau is, I pulled a clip and, and, and some quotes
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from the Southern Poverty Law Center and, and, and it's, it's
pretty shocking. Only allows people of American
ethnicity, right? Which I think it's an ethnicity
who all you know, and all Americans, I believe come from
Europe. So they're white, Essentially,
yes. The answer is, and we do that
because it's a matter of representation.
Do I think other races are bad? Do I want to hurt them?
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No, I don't. We have a specific interest in
persisting and prevailing a certain culture and heritage,
right? What we see as our ethnic
interest. And in order to embody and
represent that, just like a government, we want to represent
it. We need to compose ourselves of
it just like it. Again, we try to act like a good
government should. If our government was trying to
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represent the interest of American, the people whose
families have been for 100 years, but every single person
in the government or Russian or Chinese, Jewish, would they be
able to do that? Absolutely not.
What's the incentive? Yeah, different people have
different interests. So, you know, go for it.
I want to hear your thoughts. I want to hear your.
Thoughts. Fuck him, fuck him, fuck him.
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And just that's I just what really what my first initial
thought is that, wow, that kind of sounds like JD Dance.
You just hold on to your onto your britches there a little,
sweetie, because I'm about to bring a hammer down on you.
But yeah, yeah, no, you're not wrong.
You're not wrong. It's very JD Vance adjacent for
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sure. So I want to give you this quote
from the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is a
Law Group that fights hate groups across the country.
Quote America, our nation standsbefore an existential threat.
The lives of your children and your children's children and
your prosperity beyond that dangle above a dead of Vipers.
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A corrupt, rootless, global and tyrannical elite has usurped
your democracy and turned it into weapon, first to enslave
and then to replace you. More from the SPLC Rousseau grew
up in a Oh, sorry, I didn't meanto cut across you, you, you.
You were saying something there.Sorry.
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No, I was not saying anything. I was just at the the last two
words is really. Replace you.
No, no, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's it's pretty rough.
So the SPLC actually does a pretty good bio on this guy.
So Rousseau grew up in a very wealthy suburb that was quote
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changing. And it's my opinion that when
this started to happen in his very wealthy suburb outside of
Dallas, where a lot of like Southeastern Asian folks were
moving too. So like Indian, Sri Lankan, like
we're moving in. That's when he started to
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radicalize. So a lot of this happened.
I in my opinion, in high school,I've listened to an unfortunate
amount of podcast with this guy and a lot of his content on the
sub stack, not sub stack. I'm sorry, Gab Odyssey, a lot of
these like really fringe content.
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You know, a YouTube for, for weirdo right wing people, right?
So I've listened to a lot of this stuff and I feel like this
is when like his relationship with like reality started to
untether a little bit because he, he thought he, he was seeing
people come in who don't look like him and was thinking, Oh my
God, my town's going to shit. Even though these people who are
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moving into the suburb, the suburb that he lived in, forgive
me for not remembering, but basically like it's one of the
wealthy. It's like living outside of.
Orange County or something like that.
Bethesda like think Yeah, like Bethesda.
What's the 1 Potomac like think about like living in?
Potomac like Chevy Chase. Yeah, like very, very, very well
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off people. Like they're like you are like,
it's not about like race at thatpoint, it's about class, you
know what I mean? Like these are really well off
people. And if you're there, you belong
because you make a lot of money.So that's where he's coming
from. But he like, he sees that like
environment changing and he really doesn't like it more from
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his background on the SPLC. He grew up in that wealthy
suburb. I was as I was talking about.
But while he was in that wealthysuburb, he was working for the
school newspaper. The school newspaper was called
and still is called the Sidekick.
Rousseau frequently wrote opinion columns in support of
conservative topics, including controversial campus carry laws.
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Right. So like, you know, he advocated
for bringing guns to school as aas a matter of not getting shot,
apparently in a. Separate, I have to say real
quick before you go on, like if our listeners can't see or
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you'll put the, the YouTube links up, but he's really well
spoken, you know, and whatever that means.
But he he doesn't sell. We ought to kill them all.
He he is able to articulate himself.
He's not a bad looking guy. Kind of looks like a hipster.
And he's he's, he doesn't look like Count Dracula, like Stephen
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Miller. I want to continue this.
I want to actually read off to this quote to you from a piece
that he wrote in a sense removedopinion piece that he wrote for
his school newspaper. The the title of the piece is
Trump the silent majority no longer silent.
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In the piece, Rousseau writes this.
The truth is white voters, especially the working class,
have had more than enough of being called racist, sexist,
xenophobic, Islamophobic, homophobic and the rest of the
usual buzzwords. The forgotten majority of
American electorate has shown that much of the dismay of
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globalist agenda that they have not yet been replaced by the 10s
of millions of blue voting immigrants from abroad, that
they can still hold up some semblance of a resistance
against the decay of their nation.
To me, Tom is a guy of extremes.He disrupted and we're not going
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to get into his story with the Vanguard America group just
because we're very focused on Patriot front here.
But so he leaves American Vanguard after getting to this
like little middle school tiff and he establishes a group by
the name of Patriot Front, whichis the group that we're focused
on for today. And you know, I'm thinking to
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myself because I, I, I believe in like the marketing piece of
things, right? Like, if I can.
Yeah. How do you sell yourself?
Right. Like, so like the name Patriot
Front, Where does this come from?
Like, how does Why is this important?
And Rousseau says this. Actually, he said the new name
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was carefully chosen as it serves several purposes.
It can help inspire sympathy among those more inclined
defense sitting and can be easily justified to our ideology
and worldview. The original American patriots
were nothing short of revolutionaries.
The word patriot itself comes from the same root as the
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paternal and patriarch. It means loyalty to something
intrinsically based in blood. And that's a complicated couple
sentences, but like. Pretty poetic.
The whole like it, it means loyalty to something
intrinsically in blood is like the part that bothers the fuck
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out of me. Like that's the scariest part.
Like blood should not be a part of this sentence at all.
It's very upsetting. Unless he means something by it.
Well, yeah, he definitely does. One of the more interesting bits
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and maybe serendipity bits here is how close that language
mirrors the strategy of mainstream, mainstream
Republicans currently. And I'm talking specifically
about JD Vance, right? He is.
He is the herpes of podcasting that will not go away.
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He is the herpes of our society that we're all taking penicillin
for. But there's just not enough.
We cannot get rid of JD Vance. Or or people aren't taking their
dosages correctly and it's creating a super herpes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think like, yeah, he's become
like COVID on. He's become COVID under the
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first Trump administration. He it just took off because no
one did the right thing to start.
Oh, yeah. Oh, man.
So Vance has argued the same things that Russo argues for,
right? You know, globalism,
immigration, the sense of losingyour country.
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It's mainstream hate now, right?And it frustrates to me to no
end when I hear the silver spoonversion of it through JD Vance's
mouth, right? Like I, I know for a fact the
more and more I read about JD, the more and more I am truly
convinced that I, I am right. And you are actually very wrong
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in your stance on who's more dangerous.
But returning to Tom though, in 2018, the servers of the group
were infiltrated by a an anarchist called like their
collective name. They run underneath of at least
is Union Riot, a left oriented nonprofit news organization.
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In their reporting that they didthey they they came across the
leak that reveals that Patriot Front preys on teenagers
recruiting members through the Internet who are still legally
minors, indoctrinating them withwhite supremacy ideology and
even encouraging to be like to lie to their parents so that the
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group can transport them across state lines to go to fascist
related events. Which if you recall the right
right now is very, very like turned up on, I don't know,
like. Sex.
Trafficking, yeah, exactly like they're very worried about child
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trafficking at this moment and the.
White, I guess. I guess Matt Gaetz was, you
know, yeah. Yeah, we are legally bound in
the state of Florida to not talkabout it.
We got a letter the other day. I'm only kidding.
It was just me. Me personally, I'm not allowed
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it. Was it was?
It was signed by Matt Gaetz. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It like it, but it was like signed in blood with a
thumbprint for some reason. No one knows why, but so, yeah.
Back to the story, though. Like according to the chats
within the server, the Discord server, the group's official
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policies require members to be at least 17 1/2 years old to
join. But in reality, it's a case by
case basis with some members being recruited, recruited well
below that age. We're talking like 14 or 13
years old. Actually.
I'm going to show you a picture here in a little bit where the
kid I believe is 11. So like it goes way below that
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age too. This is literally child
trafficking. Dude.
And according to leaked messages, Patriots Front rank
and file still enjoy doing Romansalutes, something that our
buddy friend of the show, no, not friend of the show, prick of
the show Elon Musk also loves todo.
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And despite rules saying they shouldn't, you know, Patriot
Front really doesn't like push back a whole lot in this way.
So they enjoy doing the Roman salute.
One of the actual remarks, and this is a quote from the chat
logs, is Sieg fucking Heil. Let's go.
I can say that now. Now the recording is over.
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So like, they think like, even when they're like, feel like
they're being recorded, like because they do a lot of like
internal propaganda work, they will like forget to shut the
cameras off because they're fucking stupid and continue to
like spout off Nazi bullshit after the cameras were shut off.
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It's pretty wild to watch. Patriot Front members are also
told that raping women is acceptable.
So not funny, but. Jesus.
No, it's, it's, it's like, I think the reason why you and I
both kind of like the fall thereis because it's just so
abrasive. Like it's, it's not funny at
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all. It's not acceptable.
But like, just how brazen they are and like how open they are
about saying things like, oh, sorry.
How misogynistic it is and how fucking disgusting you have to
be to do something like that. Well, Sergio, if you think
that's disgusting, wait till youhear the quote that I'm about to
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read you. Quote.
As long as you are raping like people in your own race.
They believe in ethnostate rape gangs, so they believe that if
would be freely target unmarriedwhite women who do not hear to
traditional values. So Discord users in their server
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repeatedly share themselves wrestling, boxing, sparring, and
shooting. They call all of this violence
training, so they firmly believein this kind of shit.
It's the most horrific reading I've done in like the last 28
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hours. Again, not funny, but it's funny
the way you said that worse 29 hours ago.
Yeah, well, yeah, I had I I'm currently reading The Turner
Diaries, so it's there and and another book that is very
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popular with the extreme right wing called Siege.
Well, let's just let's just talkabout first of all, is it just
violence training? Like where is that even
acceptable? Like that's, I mean, I guess
that's the mindset that you haveto have.
If you are you, you look at armies that incorporate rape in
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in their tactics. That's just I, I don't know,
Again, you get to the point where it's like how as a human
being could you just allow yourself to comport like that?
Yeah, no, you're, you're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right. I'll read off from the from the
script because just because it'sgoing to make it a little easier
for me here. But quote, the group activity
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mainly centers around an aggressive propaganda strategy
distributing pro mat, which is shorthand for promotional
material, which it pushes the the group's name, website and
white nationalist views. Members are required to submit
proof of weekly activism, you know, quote UN quote activism
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tasks and are criticized, scolded, punished when they
don't meet their expected quotas.
Tasks towards members weekly requirements are reviewed and
accepted by Patriot Front leaders, other national
directors or sometimes group leaders.
Tommy Russo. So it almost goes to him
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directly in some cases. Actions that help meet the
official member requirements sometimes include spray painting
or, you know, vandalizing private property.
All, you know, racial justice murals.
Like I, I know that you know, somebody, at least myself
included, because I was one of these people for a little bit
until we had to take it down because the sign went bad in the
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sun. But like, you know, you get
those like signs, like in our house, we believe in science and
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
Like we had one of those signs up for a while.
This Patriot Front would go around ripping signs out like
that and like taking it back to their place and like burning it
kind of thing and putting it on on on YouTube or whatever.
And that's how it like it counted towards your, your like
pro mat. Essentially, Patriot Front
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officials, official pro mat suchas stickers or Flyers can be
bought directly and only throughThomas Rousseau.
So you can't buy officially licensed because it is
officially licensed material unless you go through him
personally. So it's all a grift.
Like it's the worst kind of grift, but it's all a fucking
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grift. Like he's here just for the
money. God, fuck that guy.
Like it. It always seems to the, the road
always ends towards money when it comes to all this stuff.
Like you look at Donald Trump and what he's doing currently in
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this presidency and just all theblatant corruption that's going
on and the people that are around him that are just like,
well, if you're rich, you're good and you're you're being
totally empowered to do that. Yeah, like, you know, you even
think about Marco Rubio, right? Like, dude's got four different
job titles now. Like, you don't think that, he
said. Like, you're going to have to
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give me an increase to do all four of these, Mr. President?
Like, that came with an expectation, right?
One of the reasons why I wanted to cover Patriot Front was
because recently enough in my community, one of their official
pro mats showed up spray paintedon one of the more used county
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parks under bridge part, like part of the under underside of a
bridge. And it was something that I
raised the alarm to to the county Twitter page.
Like this was like a year and a half ago.
And I mentioned it to them and Iwas like, hey, you really need
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to pay attention to this. This is really dangerous stuff
and I fought it with my like local representative.
I even followed up with like like the neighborhood.
The delegate or council person or whatever.
Yeah, like some like local delegate, right, Like county
delegate. And I was like, this is really
bad news like that. The fact that this is in our
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county, I need you to know, likethis is like, this is a like a
Ku Klux Klan kind of thing that's coming unless we do
something to like make somethinghappen.
And I was told, oh, I think you might be overreacting.
Like these are just a small group of people, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. As recently as of May this year,
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2025 of our Lord, there were pamphlets all over downtown
Baltimore. So like these people haven't
gone away. And we're going to talk a little
bit about like who's trying to cover up for these people in
terms of like trying to like make them go away, but they
actually haven't. And that's really, really
dangerous. I think there we should probably
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take a real quick break. I know that we're going a little
bit long here, but I like, I, I want to kind of finish telling
you the story for your company. We're back and I kind of want to
bring us to current day because I feel like that's where I left
us off at. And it's more about like the
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current right wing itself. You know, the one thing about
what where, where the right wing's at right now is they're
they're getting better at media and their presentation.
And this kid, Thomas Rousseau, this guy was born in 1998,
Sergio. So like this guy is born during
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the period of the Internet, right?
Like he knows what is like looksgood, like what doesn't look
good. Like he's a part, like he's a
part of that, that prime Internet culture where they had
early Internet and then like allthe meme boards, right?
Like they had like all of that stuff, like, like they're really
good at the Internet. And this guy is so much better
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at the game than the guys that we grew up with during like, you
know, 1999 where I'm going into high school.
You're already in high school. And like, we're worried about
like Tamagotchi's going out of fashion, you know what I mean?
Like very different world than we grew up in.
Like these guys are really good at the Internet.
The old right is no longer a part of the game.
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Like this guy is a part of the new right.
Like the ones who were on podcasts to have YouTube
channels who are all over TikTok, like these guys know how
to do the Internet. And you know, I've played a a a
clip earlier in the show about Thomas, but he was on a podcast
by a guy with a guy by the name of Jake.
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He is a podcaster UFC fighter and also like right wing
conspiracy nut. And like, these are the kind of
podcasts like guys like this show up on.
Did you vote and what's your opinions on Donald Trump or are
are you a big Kamala Harris supporter?
Absolutely not. You know, Harris would have been
a terrible president, but also in principle because she's not
only is she not American, but she's not a man.
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And I think statesmanship is a statesman.
Her husband is a dual citizen, too.
Oh, great. Yeah.
But I didn't vote for Trump and I don't support Trump.
I'm going to stop right there because he said something that I
haven't really established yet. Russo is incredibly
anti-Semitic, so when you. Yeah.
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Yeah. So when you hear things like
dual citizenship or like dual citizen, he's referring
specifically to people who Jewish people in the in the
United States who have dual citizenship in Israel.
I support some of the things that Trump says, right?
You know, I think obviously deporting.
So he is incredibly anti-Semitic, but on the same
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show, he was asked, you know, how do you vote, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. And somehow it prompts Tom Tommy
Russo to go into like, great replacement theory stuff.
And it again, it just sets an example that, you know, you can
take your own side. That's a huge thing when the
country is so internationalized.Everybody's talking about, you
know, and this is the same thingwith the foreign wars.
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Everybody's arguing over Israel,Palestine, Russia, Ukraine, you
know, China, whatever, right? But at the end of the day, as
Americans, you know, when we have all these foreigners in our
country, we don't, we don't justimport their bodies, we import
their religions, import their, their vices, their biases, their
grudges, right? You know, just like where were
tons of, you know, pro and anti Israel demonstrations happening?
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New York. Again, this is just a mis
education that all these immigrants and quote UN quote
illegals are coming in that are taking welfare and they're not
because they don't qualify for it.
And so every kind of statistic is going to show that the
majority of the time that immigrant communities have way
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lower crime rates than, you know, non immigrant communities,
that a majority of them are trying to stay underneath the
radar so they don't cause trouble or or get seen.
They're paying into Social Security local areas with local
foods that then become gentrified by hipsters.
And it is a spear mongering and racism.
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Yeah. No, it is.
It is nothing more than that. And you know, the guy who who
had him on his podcast is I think he interviewed David Duke.
You know, so like, this is former Klansman, governor of
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Louisiana, former presidential candidate David.
I ran for president, right? Yeah, Grand Dragon of the Klan.
So this is the kind of people this guy, like the circles of
this guy walks around in. So just to keep that in mind, in
June of 2022, you know, three years ago in Coeur d'Alene,
(01:00:00):
Idaho at a pride festival and happy pride, everyone happy.
Pride. 3031 Patriot member Patriot Front members were
arrested, including Thomas Russohimself.
And I think a lot of folks wouldremember hearing something in
the news about how a bunch of like white nationalists got
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locked up coming like getting marched out of the back of a
U-Haul van at some point in time.
Like a lot of like a lot of people saw this on the Internet.
It was like it was a meme apparently.
But you know they. And and then also the thing too
is like, you have to be really abig fucking Nazi to get arrested
in Coeur d'Alene, because Coeur d'Alene is basically like the
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Nazi Mecca of the United States.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I actually had written somethingup about, you know, how we had
talked about this when we when we covered your own, I think it
was your, your own Idaho. I think that was the episode
that we covered a lot of this stuff.
But like, yeah, yeah. Like Idaho is not Idaho is
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pretty like heavy white nationalist area.
The Patriot Front has been setting up shop in a little
state in the South called Tennessee.
The Patriot Front was reported to be building a combat compound
in rural Tennessee. Local Nashville news affiliate
Channel 5 describes it as the following.
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Behind the scenes, Patriot Frontis preparing for war, building a
compound in Tennessee where theytrained men for battles that
sometimes play out on the streets of America.
Yeah. So.
So, you know, I really quickly want to get my, my final
thoughts. If I can, then I'll.
I'll turn it over to you in the first clip where Tom Rousseau
(01:01:48):
says he wants Patriot Front to act like a government made of
the people who make up his ethnic interests.
He he's a Klansman. Like that's what he is.
He's a Klansmen through and through.
You know, it's just a nicer fascist outfit, that's all it
is. He's a part of a generation that
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we were all told that is woke and was going to save all of us
from ourselves. But he's no different from any
other generation that came before him.
They all have hate in their hearts and it, you know, it's
hard to identify exactly what makes that happen for somebody,
I think. But like, he's no different from
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anybody else. And like we all the hope that we
had in these stupid, miserable, lazy assholes that came after
us, that's all gone. Like they're all just equally as
stupid as that the rest of us, right?
But these young men who are partof this movement now are better
at manipulating the message thanany of the kids that we grew up
(01:02:51):
with. Like the miserable assholes that
you and I grew up with. Who wanted black people to go
back to Africa, like, or like, you know, drew a swastika in
the, in the bathroom kind of thing.
Like, like we all know those kids from our, our elementary
school and high school days. And like, these kids are better
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at it. They're so much better at it.
Seven years ago and I, I came across this Ted Talk from Aaron
Saltman. She's she she had this to say
when she stated a right wing camp in Hungary.
It's a very good at is taking a very complicated, confusing,
nuanced world and simplifying that world into black and white,
(01:03:37):
good and evil, and you become what is good, challenging what
is evil. I, I, I heard that and I, I
thought that was like, my God, like nothing's wrong truer.
You know, you were talking aboutMarco Rubio earlier in the
episode and we're talking about Patriot Front right now.
(01:03:58):
And I think what both of those, you know, one organization and
and one person are trying to do is just flatten the message and
say, hey, look, this is a very complex problem, but we're going
to make a really simple solution.
And what the right wing is really good about doing recently
is just flattening the messagingand saying, you know what, you
(01:04:21):
don't like illegals, Neither do I let's get rid of them, you
know what I mean? Or oh, well, we don't like to
have to think about like what we're saying.
Let's just like end your abilityto say it.
And so, you know, I think about the story about Marco Rubio and,
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and you know, the story about Patriot Front and really what it
all boils down to is like they just cannot be, can't handle
being told they're wrong. They can't handle their egos are
so sensitive. And that is a, you know, God ego
(01:05:02):
is, is one of the things that weall struggle with.
But like, I, I, I hope that to never struggle with it at this
level, you know what I mean? But yeah, you know, I, I want to
turn it over to you for your final thoughts because that's,
that's where I'm going to leave for this week.
So I, I want to turn over to youand and then we can wrap up the
show for for for the night. The one of the things that you
said earlier made me just think about the concept a little bit
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harder and, and that is that they're, they're doing a really
good job with the Internet. They're able to spread this
message of hate and package it and an educated way that rings
true that's flashy, that is up to times with technology and
TikTok and stuff like that. And then it it goes back to
(01:05:50):
somebody like Advance, right? Who?
And a Marco Rubio who will spoutthis replacement theory and talk
about, you know, replacing the white.
Yet he is married to a woman of Indian descent and has children
with them. And so he's basically
gaslighting his people by sayinglike, yeah, what are you doing?
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Oh, no, my wife. No, we're, we're good.
You know, we're, we're part of this movement.
We believe this. Yeah.
And so you have people that are able to either a lie to your
face or just be completely hypocritical.
And people are just so going to like allow that to happen
without really giving any pushback in.
For me, it all goes with the advertising and the way you
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package things. If you make it look really,
really pretty and shiny, and yousay it may be a less intensive
way and that you can get this message across.
And then you can really, really start to stick your tentacles in
to or your hooks into potential people that are disenfranchised
(01:07:01):
that are going to think like, Ohyeah, this, this shit is true.
Like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in the melting pot
or all this stuff. And so it's, it's ingenious.
And you, it's really scary to think that there's really,
really educated people that either grifting to make lots of
money or that they truly believein this stuff, that they can try
(01:07:23):
to influence people to do horrendous things and say
horrendous things to people justtotally based on the color of
their skin or where they come from.
Yeah. Well, what's your name?
Don't partner or do later. Yeah.
Listeners, we want to thank you for listening to the extremes.
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