Episode 35: Pardon Me & Turning Point USA

This week, the guys chat about TPUSA and what happened to get them placed on the SPLC's HateMap.

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Links:

• https://politicalresearch.org/2022/01/28/ten-years-turning-point-usa
• https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/10/magazine/charlie-kirk-american-right.html
• https://www.newser.com/story/364108/the-rise-of-charlie-kirk.html
• https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/turning-point-usa-case-study-hard-right-2024/
• https://time.com/7096594/charlie-kirk-conservative-activist-republican-donald-trump-campaign-figure/
• https://www.wired.com/2016/07/republican-convention-millennials-search-signs-future/
• https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-goes-unhinged-racist-rant-prowling-blacks-go-around-fun-go-target-white

Ear Worm:

https://open.spotify.com/track/5BxVRqpZi6tIhAap1ZjzVD?si=5KJ--JW2RHK_LxpFhWlwGQ

Episode Transcript

(00:07):
This is at the Extremes. Beloveds, welcome back to At the
Extremes, the podcast where we discuss the extremes in our
society and how we got here. As always, we're your host.
I'm Greg. And I'm Serge.
And today, but we're going to discuss a group that the

(00:27):
Southern Poverty Law Center calls an anti government
extremist group. But before we get into it,
Sergio, happening with your server lining for the week, man.
You know, I've been thinking about it.
Actually, I've been thinking about it all that much until you
just asked me right now. But.
That sounds right. But silver lining has to go with

(00:47):
kind of crawling to the finish line when it comes to to work
and and getting excited about summer break.
And I'm, I'm actually been just scheming in my head of now that
I'm going to have all this free time, us just being able to get
together just that much more often and just pump out a lot
more, more content. We got a content, a summer of

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content. I mean, hot boy summer.
Oh man, there was a white supremacy group that really
tried to take that hot boy summer.
Well, I'm trying to reclaim it for us.
Okay, I like that. I like that.
Yeah, not, not, not Patriot Front.
Well, that's good though. You know, summer.
Summer is always a good time forfor you.

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I know. You love this for fucking.
You know what I don't really love the summer out here.
I like spring and fall, but the the summertime and I do
appreciate. So let me say this.
I appreciate like I, I looked outside last night and I do like
lightning bugs because that's something I didn't grow up with
on the on the West Coast. So I didn't really have.
Lightning bugs out. There No, actually the first
time. This is kind of a funny story.

(01:50):
I was in Guatemala and I might have had one too many, survey
says that night, of course, And I saw lightning bugs.
And it kind of freaked me out because I thought somebody was
taking pictures of me. And then somebody said, no, you
idiot, those are lightning bugs.Wow.
I've never seen one in person before.
So I do like that, and I do likethe summer storms and the sounds

(02:11):
of the crickets, but I hate humidity and I hate mosquitoes,
and there's too many of those out here.
Damn. All right.
Well, that's something I did notknow about the West Coast in
terms of the Firefly. Wow.
OK, so there's a kind of Fireflycontinental divide has to do
with flashing behavior among thedolls, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Huh. Interesting.

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All right, Well, that's good to know.
Yeah, didn't know that. But summers in Seattle are
awesome that that's the best time of year because it's, well,
unless there's a firefighter or fires, that's not good.
Which seems like a yearly occurrence now, so.
If it wasn't growing up, which is really sad, so.
Yeah, it's God. We were dealing with some smoke

(02:53):
and smog down here on the East Coast from all the fires that
ripping happened, ripping through Canada right now.
So that's a. It's pretty crazy because I have
an aunt who lives up in Milwaukee and Milwaukee had it
really, really bad. And so I think that what was it,
Tuesday or Wednesday, that the worst air quality in the whole
United States? Gee golly.
That is, we're doing good, we'redoing fine, we're doing fine

(03:19):
global. Warming what kind of thing?
Yeah, no, it's, it's going to begreat, folks.
Every year. The whatever.
Fuck it, I'll go. I'll give you my silver lining.
So last month, mental health awareness month, but also
anxiety awareness month, didn't kind of recognize that.
And so I know I'm late on this, but shout out to all my fellow

(03:40):
anxiety anxiety. You're anxious Bros and and.
Broettes, broettes, broettes andbroettes, dudettes and dudes and
dudes. Yeah, yeah.
It was just like, okay, I didn'tknow that there was an awareness
month for that, but now that I know that, I am more anxious
about there being an awareness month for it.
Like I didn't know about it, no.No, everybody is a lot more

(04:02):
aware of my anxiety. Yeah, yeah.
No, you know, I, I guess I wanted to in that I just wanted
to say thank you to all the people who put up with my
perfectionism and incredible drive for perfection in all
things. And that can be crippling for
myself and for those around me. So I appreciate everyone has to
deal with me. Yeah.

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So, well, now that we've done our our our Silver Linings,
let's go and take a real quick drinks break.
We come back, we're going to do the douche canoe, and then we're
going to talk about an organization called Turning
Point USA. Doo Doo Doo.
We're back, Sergio. It's douche Cano time in.

(04:44):
What do you got for us this week?
Wow. So I got invited to do it again.
And you know, it's it's an exciting process to be able to
research douchey people and to talk about them and to try to be
able to communicate it in a clear and logical way so that
our listeners aren't, you know, listening to us or to me fumble
around. So Greggy last week we talked

(05:07):
about our boy a little Marco, and he just continues to suck.
And I think he could be somebodythat we could talk about for
several episodes on just how bigof a piece of shit and how much
of a toe sucker he is. Not to not to king shame
anybody, but you know. That's one of those kinks.

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So I'm kind of. Like take it or leave it.
Yeah, well, leave it for you. Definitely.
And so got me thinking more about the Trump administration.
And so in the last few weeks, there's just been a plethora, A
whirlwind, a shit ton of pardonshave been going on.
And it's it's gnarly, all the people and there could have been

(05:53):
just a load of different people that we could have discussed,
but I decided to choose a coupleof the the winners Quote UN
quote. Sergio's winning lot.
My, my winning lot. So our douche canoes, we're
going to talk about 22 individuals and their crimes and
why they're so douchey and why Donald Trump is douchey too.

(06:16):
So the first person that we're going to talk about is an
individual that goes by sheriff,well, former Sheriff Scott
Jenkins. And not not to sound that sounds
a little classes, but just like with the last name Jenkins and
you talk about to me from South,I I just imagine like and if you

(06:36):
see pictures of him again, not to body shame or something, but
he looks like an evil character from like the Porky's movie or
or whatever. Yeah, like just kind of a a
Husky guy that, you know, looks like he is, you know, a shady
individual. So Scott Jenkins was a sheriff

(06:57):
in Virginia. Boy oh boy, you weren't kidding.
Yeah. I mean, you could see just
looking kind of at his face. Yeah, exactly.
So that's kind of where I was going with that.
So Jenkins used to be a sheriff in Virginia.
I forget. It's in some county in Culpeper
County. And so he was recently sentenced
to 10 years in jail for bribery and a plethora of other charges.

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But this is from News 8. Jenkins served as the sheriff of
Culpeper County in Northern Virginia for a decade, but lost
his re election bid in 2023 amidcharges he was facing and
eventually was convicted on bribery charges.
He was about to report to prisonfor a 10 year sentence before
being pardoned by the one and only Donald J Trump.

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Yikes. And so you might ask, what kind
of things was was Jenkins doing?And so federal prosecutors say
that Jenkins took $75,000 worth of bribes and basically like
suitcases of cash from rich people that want to be deputized

(08:12):
as law enforcement. Deputy fucking deputy dog over
here. Fucking Jesus.
Christ, it's like it's like Oprah handing out cars to people
who wants to be a deputy. You get to be a deputy.
You get to be a deputy. Exactly.
And so he was taking bags of cash and was filmed by two

(08:34):
undercover FBI agents receiving said cash.
Oh boy, oh boy. And during this time, of course,
he wasn't vetting people. He wasn't doing anything to
really warrant people be having the power to arrest people and
not going through the proper training.
Yeah, to be a deputy, I imagine that you have to have at least

(08:55):
some kind of law enforcement training and like you have to
serve in some kind of capacity before you're deputized to lock
people up for as much as as longas they want.
Exactly and. It takes citizens arrest to a
whole new level. Which is, which is pretty
gnarly, like just thinking aboutlike that whole process of some

(09:16):
guy taking 75A publicly elected official, taking bags of cash,
being filmed, taking bags of cash spending, getting sentenced
to 10 years by a jury and then having Donald Trump pardon him.
And so of course from CBS, this is and this is Donald Trump's

(09:42):
tweet or truth from his true social.
I almost kind of want you to to read it in your voice, just
because it probably sound a little bit better.
Sheriff Scott Jenkins, his wife Patricia and their family have
been dragged through hell by corrupt and weaponized Biden
DOJ. In fact, during his trial, when

(10:04):
Jeff Jenkins tried to offer exculpatory and you know that he
did not type that out. By the way, he did not say that
at all. Not at all.
He probably doesn't even know what I mean, no.
Exculpatory evidence to support himself.
The Biden judge, Robert Abellou,refused to allow it, shut him
down, and then went on a tirade,as we've seen in federal, city

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and state courts, radical left or liberal judges, as I call
them. You know, one time I was in
California, Tesler, Tesler. They say Elon did it too.
And I said, no, you can't say that.
Anyway, back to the story. This sheriff is a victim of an
overzealous abiding Department of Justice and doesn't deserve

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to spend a single day in jail. He's a wonderful person and was
persecuted by the radical left. Monsters.
By the way, why is that in quotes he's the one saying it?
Like who is he quoting by sayingmonsters there?
Himself. Jesus Christ and Left for Dead,
also in quotes. This is why I, as President of

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the United States of America, amtaking my time out of my busy
schedule of running the free world to write a truth post
about pardoning a man who committed embezzlement.
Not guilty. He's not going to jail tomorrow,
but instead we'll have a wonderful and productive life.

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Sincerely, yours. Kiss, hug, kiss, hug Donald J
Trump. XOXO so that that's one of the
douche canoes of the week. So of of course, Jenkins is is
he is now a free man. And then this one was kind of

(12:03):
icing on the cake for me. And it just goes, some of the
things I've been noticing and I'm sure you have been to is
just the rampant corruption thathas been going on with this
administration. And granted, there is lots of
corruption going on in politics throughout.
You had, what is it, Bob Mendez,that was just got busted And

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you've had a lot of other peopleget caught up in in political
scandals and financial scandals.But this one for me just kind of
took the icing of the cake. So let me ask you, have you ever
heard of a guy named Paul Wolsack?
Walsack sounds like ball sack but.
Well, that was my next. Note what is what.

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What does that remind you of? Heavy, heavy clackers.
Yeah. No, no, I've not.
I've not heard of this guy before.
What's What's his deal? Well, I I thought we could call
him Polly Ball sack first, but. Hell yeah, Polly ball sack.
But I, you know, I actually, I think it's actually pronounced
wall check, but I'm just going to go with wall sack just to
call him ball sack. Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's

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a ball check, a ball sack. That's, it's not, that's wall
shack or whatever, That's he's all balls.
Well, he is, for all the corruption that he has done.
OK, so Polly B Well, Polly W NutSack is a former nursing home
executive who stole millions. No, no, no, no.

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Well, you start with a former former nursing home.
Executive who stole millions in employee payroll taxes and was
sentenced to federal federal prisons.
Jesus Christ. And with what's that?
Funds he purchased like a luxuryyacht, airplanes, things like

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that, I'm. Looking here, it's $10.9
million. Is that for real?
For real, for. Real Jesus Christ.
And and Polly, Polly is connected because his mother,
Elizabeth, Betsy Phageo or Foggo.
Foggo. Foggo.
Yeah. Fago Fago, that was a drink that

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the Insane Clown Posse drink at their Juggalo conventions.
Were you were you an ICP guy? No, no, no.
They're. Like they like they were pretty
ratchet. You, you know, yes.
There are some ratchet ass. They they are and but I think
it's that's maybe we should explore that sometime.
Yeah, that'd be kind of an interesting like niche.

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Yeah, I agree, because they havea pretty big following.
They've got a gigantic following, wasn't it?
Weren't they labeled like a terrorist organization?
I mean, aren't they all? Yeah.
Well, that's true. But yeah, back to Polly.
So he so his mother is a big a big fundraiser for Donald Trump

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and she had also paid the $1,000,000 to go to that
fundraiser at Mar a Lago or whatever.
Oh, no. OK.
So he was sentenced to 18 monthsin federal prison.
And so his mother applied for the pardon, stating in that

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pardon that she had donated over$1,000,000.
It's a pay to play. It it's pay to play.
Holy shit this is corruption andit's what?
Yes. Wow, I did not read this story.
So holy shit. And so, of course, instead of
doing 18 months in prison and having to pay nearly $4.4

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million of restitution. Jesus Christ.
Polly gets. Off Wow, wow.
Wow. Wow.
And is off the hook for paying $4.4 million to the employees
that he stole from along with the company that he ran into the
ground. Holy shit how is this not

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literally everywhere? Because it's just, it's just so
blatant and there's so many things that are going on that
there's just not. I mean, we could go on through
him releasing or pardoning LarryHoover, who was yeah, yeah, that
was a big time or. Isn't he still in state

(16:30):
penitentiary there? Because like, there are a bunch
of state charges that are to keep him there for a lot for the
rest of his life or something. But all the federal ones are
gone. And, you know, our boy Kanye
West was a big, was a voice behind that.
And currently now they're talking about possibly pardoning
Diddy and Derek Chauvin. Yeah.
Yeah. So, yeah, I think one of the
things that you just alluded to and said, not even alluding to,

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but just said said out loud, is that with this administration,
you're basically if you're a Trump supporter and you're
paying money, that you really don't have to follow the law and
that you are basically untouchable.
Which is also really scary when you think about the people that
were involved in the January 6 riots who were.

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There was some pretty serious criminals in there that had been
charged with murder, rape, molestation of children that got
off free and just recommitted those crimes.
So right now we have an administration right now that if
you support, you know, Mein Kampf, that you are basically

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and you're rich, that you're going to be able to, to get to
get off. Wow.
So those are the douche canoes. This is a little shorter one
than we normally do, but God. Damn.
But I also thought it was prettypowerful just thinking about
that, just in general, that that's not even a headline.
It was for maybe a day. But we've moved on to, you know,

(17:55):
different. Well, I guess the new headline
is a headline is Elon and Trump.Yeah, yeah, the the bromance is
finally over. Yeah, the thing that we the
breakup that we all saw coming by the time this is better, this
is like there's no been been no more clear breakup in in our
modern politics better than better than this.

(18:18):
This has been just so delicious to watch but this is fucking
fucked. I paid you $1,000,000 to be at
your your dinner and. You're going to pardon my son?
Yeah, or you won't get another $1,000,000 from me.
I mean, it's like that Van Halenand David Lee Roth, right?
Like breaking up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It feels like that. Jesus Christ, dude.

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But yeah, so that's, you know, and I think that that just goes
to show how not not only accepting gifts from Qatar, but,
you know, pardoning people that are putting into your
administration the money that he's giving to the OR that that
governments are giving him for his golf courses and his bit

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mean coin. Yeah, yeah, it's all out there.
This is one of the most corrupted minister, blatantly
corrupt administrations that I think we have ever seen.
And I think that's including hisfirst administration.
Yeah. This is Yeah, No, I, I don't
think that we've seen anything like this play out quite like
this. And it's, it's, and I think

(19:21):
because there are so many other fires, there aren't a lot of
people paying attention to this kind of stuff.
But to your point, yeah. Like or not so even just not
this early. Most, most of the time, pardons
happen at the end of an administration, right, Right.
Right as the president's going out.
You, you haven't had, you know, however many.
I mean, I'm sure you can look itup right now how many pardons

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have been granted thus far? But they're just, and it's full
out like, well, I can do this and I don't give a shit.
What are you going to do about it?
Yeah, yeah, the yeah, it's it's it is, Yeah.
I think one of the January 6th pardonies got out of jail and
then like immediately got into ashootout with the.

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Cops and got killed, yeah. Yeah.
So like, yeah, no, we're, we're releasing.
We're releasing the best that we've got, they say.
Or the woman who was shot insideand killed inside of the Ashley
Babbitt is gonna Her family's gonna get $6 million from the
taxpayers for her breaking into the capital and attacking police

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officers and destroying property.
And yet we're going to have to fit that bill.
Well, now that we've battled this douche canoe up the river,
let's take a real quick break. When we come back, we're going
to take a look at Charlie Kirk and the rest of Turning Point
USA and what they've been doing to dismantle the American
democracy one break at a time. So a couple weeks back you had

(20:55):
mentioned that you were only tacitly familiar with a guy by
the name of Charlie Kirk. And I thought walking you
through his background and like the organization that he
established would help you get abetter understanding for who
this no upper lip baby corn teeth looking motherfucker
actually is. And I'm going to just real quick
zoom in on that picture so that you can see just how bad, how

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much he lacks in upper lip. It's bad.
It kind of looks like the Joker.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack Nicholas. Jack Nicholas Joker.
Yep. Yep.
Yep, very much so, so so. Chucky Boy was born in Arlington
Heights, IL, just outside of Chicago.
He was born without an upper lip, as I mentioned.

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So Kirk was pretty well known inhigh school for being a
conservative and leading a campaign against the school.
Because they increase the price of cookies from $0.25 to $0.50,
Charlie wrote. Together we can show the
establishment the power of our generation.
Cookies are the highlight of most day, most school days, only
to be doubled in price without our consultation.

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No, enough with the manipulation.
We must stand together and fight.
Fight the power. So.
You know what? I could support that if he
wasn't such a douchebag. Like if if he wanted to make the
price of cookies more affordablefor everybody.
I'm I'm all for that. But.
Yeah, well, he was, I, I ever, Iever written here in the script

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that he was definitely one of those kids that would have been
ignored by a majority of the people in my school, with the
exception of like a teacher hereor there who's like, oh, that
kids Got Talent for something. You know what I mean?
I remember cookies in high school and I remember, you know,
them being like $0.75. Another quarter wouldn't have
broken, broken my, my spirit. But you know, you got to have a
hill to die on. And Chucky chose that one.

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Were you a big school lunch guy or did you bring a lunch?
I kind of vultured. I just like, picked up things
off of people's plates like thatthey left.
You were the bully and just said.
No. This is going to be the the
sitting down tax. One soft pretzel.
That beat your ass. I wish I had that kind of pull.
It was more like, hey, do you want the rest of that?

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Because if you don't, I'll eat it.
You were the perpetually, like, super hungry kid all the time.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I did not stop eating at all. But yeah, so back to Kirk.
So he was complaining about that$0.25 increase.
That wasn't all that he was up to in high school, though.
He would eat by himself sitting next to a radio like an emo kid,

(23:31):
right? Listening to Rush Limbaugh in
the afternoon, it actually reminds me more of like a dad
who is angrily eating a cold hamand cheese while drinking whole
milk in the minivan. Like screaming into the ether,
You know, because he got divorced earlier that week and
he's just like. Fuck, I hate these
motherfuckers. He left me.

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God damn it, all I got was this minivan.
So from Kirk, I started listening to Rush when I was in
junior high school, a junior in high school, because you're
looking for someone in high school to affirm your beliefs.
I would never forget on my lunchbreak from like 12:17 to 12:55,
I'd listen just me. I went all in on rush and.

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God. What a fucking loser.
What a loser. If you're in high school and
like, you know, you got like thecool kids club, you've got the
sports, you've got like the theatre kids, and then you've
got little loser Chuck who's sitting in the corner by himself
like ham radio. He's got like 1 earbud and he's
like, oh guys, you would never believe what Chuck Rush Limbaugh

(24:39):
had to say today. Definitely wearing like a shirt
and tie. At school, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Very.
I brought a briefcase to school instead of a backpack.
Most certainly he had pennies inhis loafers like he was very.
That kind of kid. Yeah, he was that kid that he
deserved to get punched, who deserved to get bullied,
honestly. And you can, we can wear all
those clothes and support that, but just don't listen to Rush

(24:59):
Limbaugh. Yeah, I mean, if you did that in
high school, though, you deserved to get bullied then
too. So like, I mean, I'm, I there's
a part of, you know what? Hot take, bring back bullying in
some cases. Hot take.
Hot take. There are some kids who deserve
to be bullied. You know what I mean?
Like, you come into school wearing a bow tie, you deserve
to get bullied. I don't care who you are, you're

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the eccentric kid. Well, guess what?
You're upside down in the toilet.
But if you don't remember who Rush Limbaugh is or didn't
listen to talk radio growing up,he was the megaphone for the
right wing during the 90s and the early 2000 period.
Limbaugh was once quoted as saying feminism was established

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to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream,
as well as making remarks, racist remarks and racist
impressions of the Chinese president who Jintao at the
time. Charlie listened to Limbaugh
because he wanted someone to confirm his racist, sexist, and
conservative leanings. While in high school, Kirk

(26:03):
started to volunteer for anotherunrelated Kirk by the name of
Mark Kirk. Mark Kirk, by all measures was a
moderate Republican in Chicago, even saying at the time that
Obama was, you know, had the opportunity to put Merrick
Garland up for her appointment. He said that he should have been
able to to have that at least the hearings, right?

(26:26):
He also pulled his support from Trump in 2016 because of the way
he spoke about Hispanics, the LGBTQ community and the
disabled, and very specifically because he himself is disabled.
He had a stroke and that rendered him disabled.
And so he's like, hey, this is abad human being.
He's, you know, he's one of those like Republicans who's

(26:46):
like, I'm fiscally conservative but socially liberal.
I live in Chicago. So I have to be like this, but
also be that. So like, you know, he did like
the, the like the classic Republican thing, right?
Like a classic Republican in a Big Blue city.
Yeah. So you'd have to be wondering to
yourself, like, how does somebody who kind of comes out

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of that cloth, like volunteeringfor that kind of candidate, turn
out to be such a piece of shit? As his time in high school came
to a close, Charlie Co founded along with another fellow by the
name of Bill Montgomery, a student organization called
Turning Point USA, which I'll bereferring to as TP, moving
forward because it's shit. Bill Montgomery, a former

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conservative activist who happened to be at a school like
a college debate thing. And and Charlie happened to be
at this debate he got, he got asked to come to this college
and this guy, Bill saw him up there.
And like any normal interaction between a high school age kid

(27:51):
and an older dude, older fat manwalks up to him really like kind
of creepily at the backstage andis like whispers in his ear
like, Hey, you should do this onthe road.
You know, like a normal conversation would happen.
Fun, fun fact, Bill Montgomery was a COVID denier and he died
from COVID-19. So.

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There is some justice in the world, not that I ever, you
know, wish death upon anybody, but like, that's that, you know?
Yeah, you know what is it? Kitchen has spoon in it, You
know what I mean? Like man who doesn't believe in
COVID dies like. It has computer.
It's got computer, they say. Bleach, they say.

(28:35):
But Bill was impressed with Charlie's ability to connect
with a crowd. And to be fair to Charlie Kirk,
he's really good at this. Like he's really, he can get a
crowd up off their feet really quickly.
So are you saying then that he is not like a a Ted Cruz?
No. Who was a?
Swarmy piece of shit, no. No, like this.

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This is a guy who is, you know, he's younger.
He kind of understands the, the,the social climate, like he
unders like he's good with social media, kind of like the
guy that we were talking about last week for the Patriot Front
and how like he grew up in the age of the Internet.
So did Charlie, you know, like he was in high school in 2012.
So like, you know, he's he's like in his 30s now, but like,

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you know, he was still of that age.
So in 2012, Kirk and Montgomery established the new cool kids
club, TPUSA. They developed the organization
to quote, identify, educate, train and organize students to
promote the principles of freedom, free markets and
limited government. Very like classically
conservative, right? You know, nothing, nothing out

(29:41):
way out of the ordinary there. But Charlie.
Oh God. But again, it's the fucking.
It annoys me to no end and it enrages me.
Limited government only in certain causes.
They want maximum government when they want to control
women's bodies, when they want to cut people off Medicaid, and

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they want to do all this other stuff.
So fuck you. Well, I'm glad to.
See that you're starting to steam from the ears now, because
you're going to your head's going to exploit by the end of
this episode. I hope so.
If I play my cards right. So Charlie would eventually go
off to college. He says he goes goes off to
college, but he actually went toCommunity College.
Not that there's anything wrong with it.

(30:23):
We're Community College guys. Like, not a big deal.
But he, you know, he frames it as if he went off to university
somewhere. He did not.
He later drops out to spread thegood news of being a
conservative Christian student on college campuses.
Because, you know, those are thecoolest kids on campus.
One of the first images I remember seeing?

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Virginity. Is cool.
Virginity is cool. Hey, hey you, hey you, hey you.
Stop drinking. Cigarettes are bad for you and
they are bad for you. Everything's bad for you too.
Yeah, yeah, everything's bad foryou.
But like, you know. Fuck off.
Yeah, you go off to college to do all these bad things.
Yeah, yeah, fuck off, you fucking loser.

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Yeah, what a fucking like he's akind of guy who would tell on
you for like for taking a cookiefrom from the cop from the high
school lunch room. Like, he's that kind of guy.
He was definitely the RA at school even though he never made
it to school. Yeah, no, if he had, if he had
stayed at school, he would have been like the the RA everyone
hated. He would have been that floored,

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that floored dork. Yup.
God, a fucking loser. Like he's a kind of guy that I
actually would have bullied in high school.
Like genuinely like he is that kind of person.
I I was looking at his his face again and he he actually looks
like a swarmier version of JasonSegel.
I can see that. With no upper lip but mixed with

(31:48):
a little bit of joker too. Yeah, I can see that.
I can see that. One of the first images I
remember seeing of Charlie, aside from the one that I showed
you earlier of no teeth or no lip, was one of like, he was
sitting at a college campus and he had a table, like, a folding
table. And it said something to the
effect of, like, prove me wrong or something like that.

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And like, on a college campus, that's fucking catnip.
Yeah. You know what I mean?
Like, oh, I get you. You giving me the opportunity to
fight with you. Yeah.
I'm going to take it like, oh, debate you.
No, it's not really a debate. It's just us screaming at each.
Other, but it's, it's, it's likethe, you know, the Westboro
Baptist Church or whatever, they're just trained to try to
get you involved in back and forth.

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And you know, those, the, the evangelical preachers are on the
side of the road, scream at you and bullhorns.
They they welcome that kind of chaos and that confrontation.
They want it right and for CC understood early on that that
was going to drive clicks and content and he got a lot of
viral content. From doing that.

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Oh yeah. And when we come back from the
break, we're going to discuss those moments along with the
evolution of Turning Point and how Charlie Kirk influences what
we've seen, what we've seen in the lead up to and since the.

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All right, let's dial this up a little bit, shall we?
This is what Kirk is more is known for really his
confrontational. The US and California government
should pay. What do you mean by the
government? You mean taxpayers?
Yes, I mean, I mean taxpayers. Oh, so someone else should pay
for your school? Yes, that's how taxes.
Work I just find it funny like the entitlement that you want
somebody else to like pay for your schooling or your your edit

(33:36):
how taxes work yes OK yeah I mean I reject that fundamentally
like invest in yourself A lot ofmoney is hoarded within rich
people and companies that top 1%of you know people.
What's the difference between someone who has 100 million and
200 million for like their lifestyle.
It's a big difference when you talk to an entrepreneur that's
willing to like give up his entire life to go to take risks

(33:57):
to change the world feel the government is going to take more
than half of what you earn it disincentivize risk taking
Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmarkhave a 55 to 60% tax rate at the
top level. Can you name a single
billionaire entrepreneur a big company from those four
countries? No.
For them, American. You know who can name plenty of
American companies? They can.
Tesla. SpaceX.
Tesla So let me let me let me interject a couple of things.

(34:21):
Her Poppy. Go for it.
So yes, that is, I guess in one aspect, I respect the ability to
be able to have people like screaming and yelling at you for
what you believe in, even thoughit's terrible beliefs like that
takes a lot of it's I, I, I'm not a big confrontational
person. Thick skin, Thick skin to.

(34:42):
Be able to do that and to be, especially if you're
conservative, being able to do that is is hard.
Going to UC Berkeley and like, going into the devil's den,
yeah, if you're a conservative is not an easy or welcomed thing
for most of them. But the thing that that I'm just
learning about now, especially when you see the news that's

(35:04):
been going on when it comes to the Trump administration trying
to get rid of foreign students or even look at students that
are out of state that pay doublethe amount what it costs to go
to these universities. And so how much of your taxes
are really being subsidized by the government and how much of

(35:26):
it is from people from out of the country that are coming and
paying double the price or people that aren't from the
state that don't have residency?Yeah, Yeah.
One of the things that he said in that in that clip was like he
disagreed. He disagreed with the
fundamental premise, right. And that is because he comes
from a very libertarian background.

(35:46):
Like his, his entire background is just about libertarian values
like called taxes shouldn't exist.
Like that was essentially what he was saying was like, you know
that when the when the kid was saying like, well, that's how
taxes work. He's like, well, I fundamentally
disagree. It's like because he doesn't
believe that there should be a tax system.
And he talked about Norway and Sweden.

(36:07):
Like, how many Fortune 500 companies are there?
Yeah. What what are the countries that
are normally listed in the top 20 of the happiest countries in
the? World, right, right.
It's not about money, Charlie, as much as you think it is, but.
You don't know a lot about thesecountries because a they have
the longest lifespans and they're the happiest countries
too. So yeah, if you type into Google

(36:29):
search or YouTube Charlie Kirk versus you'll see hours and
hours of content like just like that of him, like owning college
kids on the in these impromptu. Debates and Greg did that with
quotation marks owning. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
Owning in like the very conservative sense the the the
the GOP. But like, you know, I, I, I

(36:50):
wanted to, to ask you, you said you weren't much of A, you're
not much of A, in terms of confrontation.
Did you debate at all in collegeat all?
Like would you have debate at like a Charlie Kirk I guess is
the question. I, you know, I actually so in, I
don't know what grade it was, but it was probably 90.
When was the Bill Clinton was 96?

(37:10):
96, yeah. With that, so we did a
presidential debate at school and we got to play different
characters in front of the wholeschool, and it was Bush, Bill
Clinton and Ross Perot, and I was Ross Perot.
Oh. God, you had to.
You had to fill in for Ross Perot.
So I was Ross Perot. I'm thinking about it, man.
That's because I have big ass. I was going to say fuck man,

(37:33):
they. Fuck you, St.
John's. They fucked you.
They fucked you. They were making, they're making
fun of me. Typecasting.
Absolutely. But I guess to to big UPS me
myself, yeah, I came in second place.
Bill Clinton was always gonna win, but.
In the mock debate. Yeah, it was close second.
There you go. There you go, dude.
I don't know how close it was, but I definitely beat George

(37:53):
Bush. I don't know.
How close it was, but there wasn't like an official point
system. You know what, we'll just say it
was neck and neck. OK, Very good, very good.
Yeah. You tied.
It was a virtual tie, basically.Yeah, I, I, I did the school
like, I did like the, the schoolstudent group, like group, union

(38:14):
group, whatever it was in high school.
Like we did like mock debates and OK, I did like, I was like
the homeroom representative and shit like that.
So like nothing ever got done. But it was like, all right, I
feel like I'm a part of something.
Did you like doing that? Yeah.
Yeah, I, I wanted to be, I wanted to be involved in like I
want to be an attorney when I was a kid, like I really thought
I was going to be. And then too many concussions

(38:37):
later and you can't remember anything.
So yeah, anyway. What?
What are we talking about? Anyway, back to bird calls.
So he, Charlie's got a lot of really bad positions and one of
the things that's happened here recently, all these college
campus tours that he's doing is he's gone from debating to

(38:58):
coaching young men. And you'll you'll notice a
common theme here. My girlfriend and I have
differing political beliefs. So how should we handle our
relationship when we have a lot of the same values but differing
political beliefs? Do you want?
Do you want the truth? Yeah.
Do not marry this girl. Yeah, do not marry someone that

(39:19):
you cannot talk about the Daily News with.
You guys can laugh at it. Do not build a life with
somebody where you cannot agree on what Daily News channel to
watch. I'm going to be honest.
When you have to instill values in a child, you cannot have the
first elemental issue at 7:00 AMwhen you turn on the radio or a
podcast to be disagreement. You got enough of that already

(39:42):
in a home. Yeah, you need to have harmony.
I don't disagree with that. No, no.
I have some, I have some friends, coworkers that are very
opposite and especially now in this today's climate, I I would
I would have a very, very hard time.
Being in a relationship with somebody that was a Trumper.

(40:05):
I'd agree with that. I'd agree with that.
I think his we'll, we'll, we'll let I'm going to let the rest of
this clip play out and then alsolike lay out the rest of his
philosophy. And I think the reason why you
and I would agree on the premiseof the terms versus like the

(40:26):
actual follow through really. Means.
Yes, I think those are two very different.
Things build a life with someonewhere you have agreement on the
macro issues. So I'm a big believer in macro
agreement. I'm not trying to like, rock
your world here, but do not try to change your girlfriend or
your future fiance or wife politically.
So a. Couple of things that don't.

(40:47):
Work is that hairline that he's got.
If you see how far back that thing goes, he might as well
just shave the fucking to shave it off, man.
But yeah, I know that it's it's very Charlie Kirk is, if
anything, good at this. Like he, he really is like he's
he's very talented in terms of like holding the attention of a
lot of people all at once. And he talks and speaks in

(41:10):
platitudes and like just generalenough to make it seem
unoffensive. But I'm going to give you one
more of his really bad takes that he's got.
And remember this as we go through this discussion.
If you were to board a flight with United Airlines would.
You rather have a pilot that is qualified or one that is diverse

(41:34):
that. Makes.
No. Sense why is there two
different? Things How is it different when
you go to American islands? Because in the pursuit of
diversity. In the pursuit of diversity, you
sacrifice excellence every time.We know this with Harvard.
We know this with Yale. We know this with the military.
Every time, every example that we pursue diversity, an
institution becomes less excellent.

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If you're going to go from 4% ofthe pilots being black to 50% of
the pilots to be black, if begs the question, you are going to
lower the standards. You are going what you're going
to, but a square peg through a round hole, you are going to,
you know what I'm going to put. My square peg through your round
hole, Charlie Kirk. Go off, King.
Go off, King. I just I it.

(42:17):
Is he? He's talking about mutually
exclusive things right here. He's saying that just because
you have women pilots, LGBTQ black pilots, pair pilots of
color, that you're having to lower the standards for them to
become a pilot. And the only reason that any of
buddy that's not a white older male, that's a pilot is because

(42:40):
it's DEI stuff. What the fuck?
Like everybody still has to passa test.
Everybody has to go through all this training.
They have to show that they knowhow to do this stuff.
So what he's talking about is unequivocally wrong.
Well, yeah, I know you're not wrong.
He's an incredibly ignorant piece of shit who doesn't seem

(43:01):
to know how systems work. When a black person is when a
black person. Is murdered by police or at the
hands of police. The gun bullet that came from a
police officer. On average, how many times a
year would you say a black? Person killed by police
Washington Post's. Own database.
Left wing 10 black individuals ayear.
So here's my contention. So you have a population that

(43:25):
dads are not around that is very, very murderous per per
population capita that is very violent.
Dads not around makes. A population murderous, more
murderous by jet like by. Numbers more likely to be
involved in gangs. And we, you know, as

(43:46):
conservatives look at that and we say, wait a second, like the
problem is within the community.The problem is not the
government. The problem is not the culture.
The problem is not the history. Instead, really what needs to
happen is black leadership, Black pastors and black dads
need to go into the black community and say we're better
than this. That is like blacksplaining.

(44:08):
And mansplaining mixed together.It's real like it it it.
Yeah, it's, it's rough. He it's only going to get
rougher, so buckle up. One of the things that he said
in that clip, my vein is you're pulsating.
You're yeah. I this of all the episodes that
we've done so far, except for like the Cody episodes, like
This is why I kind of figured was going to like blow your

(44:31):
rocks. But in that clip, he said
something to the effect of like when we and like he pointed to
himself and he did this thing like where he was like looking
like to pull in a group of people started like, yeah,
extending his. Right arm.
Basically he was talking. Like he's like us conservatives.
What do you mean is US white people, we look at the black

(44:52):
comedian and go, they're violent, they're more murderous
by capita or whatever bullshit numbers he was trying to throw
out. Like clearly he's ignorant of
how systems of economic injustice, environmental
injustice work against black andbrown people and how they've
always worked against black and brown people.
But he is ignorant of that fact.He just thinks it's a a matter

(45:14):
of like bootstrap theory. That's all it is.
He's a very, very libertarian person in that way in 2018.
In fact, he's also incredibly racist because in 2018.
Charlie Kirk tweeted it would take. 40 years worth of blacks
killed by cops to equal the number of black who?
I think he meant there was blacks killed by other blacks in

(45:35):
one year. So he's got a very twisted and
distorted version of like what it looks like on the ground
like, and, and, and not only just like the, the pure numbers
of it, right, but like the sociological impact and
psychological impact of watchingblack and brown bodies being

(45:55):
modern day lynched on TV and going well, that's it doesn't
matter if it's one or a million.It's it's, it's just wrong.
So what are we talking about here?
From an episode of Charlie Kirk in 2023.
Kirk had to say this in part. And and this is I'm, I'm, I'm
going to read it exactly as he said it.

(46:17):
OK, So like all like the arms and the likes and things, that's
all him here. OK, quote.
Do you know that more than 600 is that, Is that stat real?
Blake, Come on. Is it real?
I don't know if I can say that. I don't know if that's a stat is
real. OK, I'm going to say it.
More than 600 white women a yearare murdered by black men. 600

(46:40):
white women a year. Did you know that?
By blacks. So 600 white women are murdered
by blacks in a year. One just happened.
Well, he was Hispanic. He might have been half black.
Doesn't really matter here in Scottsdale, young 29 year old
girl walking on a hiking trail, a trans Hispanic comes and stabs
her to death. End Quote.

(47:01):
So like, it's about like white fear like this is like very.
We've you've seen this kind of conversation before.
But when he says she's a 29 yearold girl, you know, he's talking
about a white woman because if she had been anything else other
than a white woman, one, we wouldn't know the story.
Two, he would have identified itimmediately because he only sees

(47:23):
people like what they are. Yeah, well, and also.
Referring to a woman as a girl who's 29 years old is also
pretty sexist as well. And you know, I'm just thinking
also too, just off the top of myhead, a couple of cases of his

(47:45):
argument about, you know, black,black people being killed.
But just thinking about Brianna Taylor, who was killed
accidentally. It wasn't even part they had the
wrong address and they shot and killed her and her boyfriend.
And then the the woman in the police officer in Dallas, Amber
Geiger, who went to the wrong not apartment, not her.

(48:09):
Apartment. And went in.
Because the door was. Open and shot and killed a young
man, Botham John. He was in his own apartment.
Eating ice cream and was. Murdered in cold blood.
In cold blood. It's cool though.
That's not a thing. It's the blacks or violent.

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From the same podcast episode here he is in part being a
racist smug shit eating piece offuck.
So just want to start a race war.
The left would love to see a race war.
The summer 2020 was the beginning stages of what they
wanted to try to see create. Karen emailed us, She said

(48:54):
Charlie, it's time. For the Karen name calling to
stop. I cringe when someone asks me
for my name. That's sad.
You did nothing wrong. It's like a mass discrimination.
Could you? Imagine if we did that.
Could you? And we should not do this.
By the way, let me just be very clear.
We should not do this. We should not be like well.

(49:15):
There, you're acting like a. Trayvon, could you imagine?
Don't do that. That's bad.
Could you imagine the stereotyping?
That's the equivalent. You're a shaniqua.
Fuck. Can't do that if that makes you
cringe. That's exactly what they're

(49:35):
doing with the name Karen. All right, Chad, dude.
Go off like. All right, Chad.
Yeah. No, it's it's.
It's. So it gets so much worse.
Sergio, you're, you're like, youare fuming right now.
I I've never seen your hot Guatemalan blood boil them.

(49:58):
It's you know what it I'm, I'm dialing myself back down to just
kind of get back to the to the original point.
And that's the whole goal is to try to get people fired up and
to have people have this kind ofvisceral reaction.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take you out of your logical.
Space your thinking space and toget you screaming so that.
He can get more likes and see more clicks.
Crazy liberal white. Yep, these softies.

(50:20):
Yeah, they can't handle. They're snowflakes.
They're. Cupcakes.
They can't handle it. Yep, Yep.
They can't take the heat. They can't be.
You know, they can't handle being told the truth and blah,
blah, blah to say somebody to well, OK, so the piece that he
was doing in that, in that like the extended piece of that clip
somebody had gotten, there was aa white woman, a white pregnant

(50:41):
woman who was in New York City who got kicked off of a a bike
that she was renting. And there was a a bunch of young
black men who were who were there.
And then they videotaped it. And when she like responded and
like was like, you need to give me my bike back there.
They were calling her Karen, right?
Fucked up thing to happen, should not happen to anybody,
period. Right?
Like I'm not going to excuse badbehavior no matter who it is,

(51:04):
right? Whatever race you are, things
happen bad. Things happen and bad people.
Are bad people regardless of whothey are.
No excuses there. But then he goes on this like
crusade to protect white women and what it like.
Oh well-being called a Karen is like being called Trayvon.
Like a young black man who was gunned down, shot in the back.

(51:29):
Is that? How is that even close to being
equivalent walking through? An affluent neighborhood by a
guy who was a maniac, right? And wrestled him and then shot
and killed him. Yeah, yeah.
How is that even close? To being the equivalent.
Well, and just the other thing Ithink about too.
Right now is just like, you think about the protests of

(51:50):
people wearing hoodies and stufflike that in the NBA, and then I
think of like Colin Kaepernick and all the things that he
protested. Silent protesting.
Can't have it, you know. Putting the knee down and how
big? That was and how how
controversial was for him. Well, I mean, he lost his job.

(52:11):
He he, he lost, he, he was a topten quarterback and he lost
everything doing that and how itwas used by Trump that's saying
that, oh, he hates police officers and he hates America,
blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah.
And you don't hear from him now.Like because you can't, you

(52:32):
can't, you can't see, I think he's still involved in
different. You know, organizations and he's
doing his his thing and oh, OK, I didn't know, man.
I don't keep up with Colin. But you know what, man?
Good for him he that that guy isa Muhammad Ali type.
Maybe not as as prominent and prolific of an athlete, but you

(52:55):
know, for somebody that was in kind of the prime of his career
and to give it all up to. And Ali didn't give it all up.
He he went to jail for not goingto the Vietnam War.
But he, you know, he he's made abig sacrifice and hell yeah.
Fuck, I love Colin Kaepernick. Yeah.
Get after Colin. Yeah.
Let's flash forward to 2024, though.

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The SPLC does a really good job of covering Kirk and his racist,
sexist replacement theory ass. So we're going to our listeners.
What's SPLC? The.
Southern Poverty Law Center. Sorry, we've, we've, we've
mentioned them a bunch on this podcast, but over referred to
them as the SPLC. They, they do a really good job.
So we'll be quoting from them quite a bit here.

(53:39):
In 2024, Kirk accused Democrats of embracing immigration as part
of their plot to secure voters, permit crime and enact the Great
Replacement. We've heard all this before,
right? He warned his hundreds of
thousands of listeners. We native born Americans are
being replaced by foreigners, which is such a contradiction.

(53:59):
As native born Americans, he then promised Trump will
liberate the. Country from the quote.
Enemy occupation of the foreigner hordes.
For a while there turning point was the pariah state of the
right. No one wanted to touch Charlie
because of this kind of commentary.
But his coalition of racist, sexist, xenophobic white men all

(54:21):
came under alignment when Trump and JD Vance decided to run on
the same ticket. But in 2016, Kirk had this to
say about Trump. This is from wired.com.
Kirk started turning Point when he was 18 to spread the
conservative message on high school and college campuses.
But in a lot of ways, he says, Trump's candidacy makes his job

(54:42):
tougher. Quote, people are going to brain
us and loop us into that bucket of like, oh, you're a Donald
Trump group. We're going to have to fight
back against that. But again, in 2024, all of that
changes. In the early days of TP, Kirk
told a crowd at an event, Toiletpaper.
Yeah, I need to get there. Shit stands in the early days

(55:04):
though. Yeah, he said this.
At an event, we do have a separation of church and state.
And I, I say that because this Christian nationalism,
paternalism, heavy focus on the family kind of thing, these
white replacement theory stuff. We all, we talked about this in
a former episode with talking about a guy by the name of JD

(55:27):
Vance, if you recall. So like, there's that Turning
Point launched a new subdivisionin 2021 called Turning Point
Faith. So they went from being like,
hey, we've got the separation ofthese two things now let's go
ahead and create a whole new division within it.
And let's get this thing to cometogether here.
Because he sees if there's anything that Charlie is good at

(55:50):
is he's good at like, figuring out like what's happening in the
culture. And like, he sees like, OK,
like, faith is starting to become, like, something I can
monetize. So I'm going to do that and
throw a bunch of different, like, rallies.
So you're going to pay me to come to these things.

(56:11):
Turning Point Faith works at theintersection of Trumpism and
Christian supremacy. This initiative offers religious
courses, sermon templates, and training opportunities to guide
pastors toward political activism.
They also host events like the Believer Summit and the Pastor
Summit. Christian nationalism, which
we've talked about in just aboutevery episode we've done so far,

(56:35):
is really scary stuff. But Turning Point is going to
try to take it to another level.TP positions Christianity as
superior and dominant while alsoorchestrating myths of religious
persecution. So like, you know, if a
Christian dies abroad while he was killed by, you know, a
Muslim terrorist, right? Like that's the kind of thing

(56:55):
that they they they peddle in this framing is used to justify
its extreme authoritarian visionfor the country that threatens
the foundation of our democracy.Well, and it's it's also.
Just making it go with the narrative of that Christians are
persecuted against and we were founded on these Christian

(57:16):
principles and the founders wereChristians even though they
were. Agnostics and you.
Know if the the you, you basically all you people are,
are trying to, you know, hate onChristianity?
Yep. That's it.
That's all it is, Yeah. We are we are under threat all
the time. I, I've never met a group of not

(57:38):
sadder, but like more terrified people who are supposed to
believe in love and joy. While speaking about the need to
support Trump's 2024 presidential campaign to an
audience full of pastors, Kirk warned If we don't get through
this, get this right though, andif we continue theological

(57:59):
disputes and don't focus on liberty, we're going to have
these theological disputes from prison.
So like, he's like, hey, whatever your thing is, it
doesn't really matter if we're not all underneath of Trump and
this umbrella of like, you know,getting, getting, getting the
right guy in office. At a Trump rally in Georgia,

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Kirk told attendees, I believe there's a spiritual battle
happening all around us right now.
This is this state is a Christian state.
I want to see that continue. But we need the faithful.
We need those of you have influence of your congregation
to put pressure on your pastors.He also directed pastors to give
sermons dedicated to preaching that the Democratic Party

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believes. Every believes everything that
hate, God hates so. Again, I didn't realize that
Charlie Kirk was such. Was he always really Christian
or or is it because he's like, Ican make money off this right
now? Yeah.
Yeah. You're starting to put.
These things together kind of like JD Vance's conversion to

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Catholicism well, and then also.Again, when you said about about
the the preachers and pastors, is he preaching this to black
Christians or is it to white Christians?
I'll let I'll let you run away with that one.
What? Do you think if you were to take
a stab in the dark, which where do you think this one lands?

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Now I like to just like, throw out the obvious.
Questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, yeah, this is a very white and white situation.
No, I don't want to say that. I think that there are
definitely actually, we're goingto talk about one of these, one
of the the black folks who do fall underneath of Turning Point
and Turning Point's whole influence and like their
influence sphere. Like they're, they've got a, a

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couple of really charismatic lightning rods for attention.
And one of them happens to be a black woman by the name of
Candace Owens, who was an employee at Turning Point.
And she LED turning point US as women's events and and in June
2024 where she encouraged the audience to re examine their

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understanding of history, particularly World War 2.
And if you've this. Never.
This never ends well. I mean, I feel like we're going
to get a little bit of taste of anti-Semitism maybe like Hitler
wasn't so bad and when you're talking about re examine war.

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War history, particularly World War 2, or like when someone says
the Civil War, like you go, oh man, I wonder what they're going
to talk about, you know, like it's there's not.
There is like looking into the deeper aspects of it, but re
examine like makes me think of just like, Oh yeah, yeah, that
was a little overblown. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, here's Candace and Charliesharing the.
Mic talking, I actually don't have any problems at all with
the. Word nationalism, I think that
it gets the definition gets poisoned by elitists that
actually want globalism. Globalism is what I what I don't
want. So when you think about whenever
we say nationalism, the first thing people think about in at
least in America is Hitler. You know he was a national
socialist. But if Hitler just wanted to

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make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine.
The problem is is that he wantedhe had dreams outside of
Germany. He wanted to global, he wanted
everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German,
everybody to look a different way.
That's not to me, that's not nationalism.
So in thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I
don't really have an issue with nationalism.

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I really don't. I think that it's OK.
It's important to retain your country's identity and to make.
I I even talking about she. Is talking about how?
Hitler wasn't wrong about being a nationalist because he was a
nationalist for Germany. His only problem that he made
was going outside of Germany. So whatever he was doing within

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his own borders was fine becausehe's a nationalist for Germans.
But how big of a contradiction is that is being a black?
Woman and living in the United States and saying that the
nationalism of the United statesis a good thing because you know
we have to have a national identity and the national
identity is being a white Christian male when you're.

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A black you know 1. Of the things I, I, I do.
Think about this actually quite a bit because I remember being a
young black man, black man, black kid and being like am I
good enough? Like, and is what I am like,
what is, is good or, or am I bador whatever?

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And I think at a certain point, like, you learn to love your
skin and the skin that you're in.
And I think that Candace Owens doesn't like the skin that she's
in. That's just my, you know, and I
maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
I hope that maybe it's just like, hey, I understand this is
a grift. And like, I'm the token black
woman that all these white people look to and go, yeah,

(01:02:58):
she's one of the good ones. So I'm going to get a lot of
money out of it. The Clarence Thomas of Yeah.
And maybe that's it. And I'm hoping.
Like I'm hoping for her sake that she doesn't hate herself
and that would be really funny if like in.
Private she just fuck these. Honkies, I'm.
Taking their money. She's just like, listen
motherfuckers, I don't. Give a shit about any of this

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y'all dumb motherfuckers or I always knew white people were
stupid Shang shang. But Candace Owens has so many
more. Bad takes though, Sir, do you
know And if women do not want tohave children?
And then again, somebody pointedthis out to me on TikTok.
Even in circumstances where the biological overrides and women

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are going, you know what? Suddenly I feel my biological
clock ticking. I want to have a Oh this is all
about. This is, this is, this whole
thing's been about social engineering men and women to not
want to have children. And Candace Owens has a really
big problem with that child. They are social.
Social engineering women to wantto do that without men.

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So this is my perspective. Don't hate me, hate what's
actually happening. I believe women are being
socially engineered to hate men and men are being socially
engineered to be gay. Don't at me.
It's just what I see. I've picked up on it.
Don't at me. It's so bad.
It's such a bad take. It's a terrible take.

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It doesn't make any sense. It never.
None of it ever does with Candace.
She's a lunatic. But The thing is.
This is frustrating is that she is really good in front of my.
Oh, God, she's really good. She's smart, yeah.
But yet these smart people are. Fucking crazy.

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Or they're trying to get just as.
Much money they're trying to just.
Dip into this capitalist, you know, society that we live in.
You know I was listening to. Bo Burnham.
That's a that's a name you didn't think you'd hear today.
I bet Bo Burnham said something to the effect of like capitalist
realized like this past generation that there really are

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no more natural resources that are like a like natural
resources are never going to be like a forever thing.
But like people's like the spacein people's brains is stupidity.
Well, like you can just occupy. People's time.
And like, that's the new resource is like your time.
So like, how do I keep you in front of the screen longer?
By listening to stupid dumb assholes so you can advertise

(01:05:32):
and sell them shit. Yeah, and like, keep people
listening to people. Like Candace Owen, who are
lightning rods for attention. Like whether you hate her or
like her, she absolutely is a lightning rod for attention.
If she says into something, you know it whether you want to or
not. If, if you hang out in these
kinds of spaces, right? Like if you're listening to this
kind of content, you're like, oh, but you have to know who she

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is overall. If you're somewhat astute to
politics overall, like that's a name that's pretty well
associated with this, being a woman of colour associated with
the right, I think that you're probably.
Overestimating the the general public, I think.
I think a lot of folks don't know the likes of Charlie Kirk

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and Candace Owens. Well, I mean, we should.
We should put that on a pole. OK.
Have you? Have you before this podcast
episode, have you ever heard of Candace Owens or Charlie Kirk?
Yes. No, I like it.
All right, Yeah, I'll put it outthere.
Don't worry. About it.
Last thing from Candace before we move on though, she loves to
talk about feminism as a precursor to transgenderism and

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really lays all of this at the feet of women.
Actually, what feminism is is itis about.
Disturbing healthy relations between the sexes.
I actually say now that if you really understand feminism and
you start to follow it and you start to get deep into the
history of feminism, it is actually a precursor to
transgenderism, right? It's telling women to act like
men, right? So feminism really did have to

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come first. First you had to confuse the
sexist. First you had to go out and you
had to say to women, shouldn't you be more like a man?
Shouldn't you just be more like a man?
And at the same time they are are rinsing the minds of men as
well. And they're telling me, well,
you should be. You should be more feminine.
You should cry a little more, You know, you should really get
into your feelings. But no women.
You you go to work. Go on.
What the fuck? No, seriously, like, what the

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fuck? Yeah.
It's so dumb. It's it's the.
Dumbest. Argument ever it's saying that
empowering women to get the equal pay and to have the same
kind of social rights that men have that you're leading a a a
population of transgender youth yeah yeah yeah yeah is that I

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mean that's. Basically what her.
Argument is right? Yep.
So I don't I don't understand. I don't understand.
That no one does, I think. It's again, it really what I
think it's about is it's about driving fear around it like
it's, it's the new satanic panic, right?
Like transgenderism listening torock music.

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Yeah. It's, I mean, it really has
become like. Oh, you can't send your your
kids to school or they're, they're going to learn how to
play Dungeons and Dragons and they're going to cast spells in
your basement, right? Like that's all it is.
It's you're going to learn aboutsex and like what it means to
not, you know, to, to, to be homosexual, heterosexual,
transgender, like you're going to learn these terms and all of

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a sudden you're going to become that thing.
You're going to learn all these woke.
Terms when people don't know whether they're this, them,
that, yeah, activists have long decried.
Feminism as a destructive force that threatens every aspect of
American life. At Turning Point 24 Young
Women's Leadership Summit, whichwe were just watching a clip
from with Candace Owens, it had like, like the flowers and like

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pink accents all over the place.Like, they're like very much
like, oh, this is a woman's onlything.
Alex Clark, who warned attendeesto stop outsourcing the home and
putting young children at risk through their dependence on
public education. She had this to say, quote,
children are under attack and you and I have to protect them,

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she warned. Alex Clark is a Turning Point
USA pop culture and lifestyle influencer and hosts the Pop
Poplitics, which is a mouthful and culture apothecary podcasts.
Turning Point USA describes the role of the conservative pop
culture shows as politics. Politics is always downstream

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from culture, and if we can reach people where they're at
culturally, that's how we can influence our nation.
Clark has used her platform to attack daycare and to make false
claims about hormonal birth control and that hormonal birth
control can make people bisexual.
So if if you've ever wanted to like, look into the most insane

(01:09:56):
shit, like take a look at her Instagram, it's sprinkled with
like this kind of these kind of views with like sponsored
content, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
But she's absolutely a part of turning points like outreach to
soften their extremist views, right?
Like, how do you get like, gosh,how do you get, you know, we, we

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talked about this in the past before Judy and I talked about
trad wives, right? Like the idea like to get
extremism to be softened. You just bring women in and put
them in like nice frilly dressesand make them like, you know,
you make it like soft, softer inthat way.
Clark and Kirk and other key figures have called on young
women and girls to abandon theireducational and career

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aspirations in favor of their natural, quote, natural
positions as wives and mothers. Kirk once asserted, quote, more
younger women need to get married at a young age and start
having kids. The single woman issue is one of
the biggest issues facing civilization at another turning
point. You know, USA event Owens, who

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we've talked about previously, defended the need to pull women
away from social and political life.
She said this quote every I'll we are fighting now in society
has been brought forth by women.Here's one.
Just it's. It's insane.

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Like I what? It's it's it.
It makes like when I was writingthis up, like I'm sitting like
in my bedroom going like what what is happening?
Like how is this? How is this language acceptable
by any woman? But just like this, like I'm a.

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Self loathing, loathing woman. I hate myself, I hate myself and
we're the cause of all of society's problems, right?
But yet she portrays. Herself as.
This really strong like woman who.
Is this this this? This.
And yet she's saying like we're the problem, like my question

(01:12:03):
has always been, and like I'm. Not, I'm in no way, shape or
form do I mean this to be disrespectful.
I, I, I, I mean this as an educational or a thought
exercise. At least feminism has made it
possible for women like Candice Owens to have a platform to be
heard and to be respected while they're being heard.
If you were to say, hey, Candace, do me a favor, shut up

(01:12:26):
and go in the kitchen and stop talking because I I'm tired of
hearing you, she would say, you can't say that.
That's sexist. Yeah.
How would she take that? Would.
She be like OK, right? Again, this is like a thought
exercise. This is not something I would
say to somebody, but like it is just like, so if I was to tell
you, Candace Owens, like we don't want to hear you run your

(01:12:50):
fat mouth anymore. Go back in the kitchen and cook
us a sandwich. The men are talking.
You'd go that's sexist. Leave, leave the auditorium.
And when she's probably more educated than.
Both of us combined and I'd say,OK, fair enough, fair.
Play but like don't like you can't have it.
You cannot split this hair. You cannot like you are.

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She is, and it's trying to. It's a.
Grift. Yeah, no doubt.
But it's just like all. Right.
Well, so at this point then, like the likes of Candace and
the likes of Clark, Alex Clark are there solely to do the heavy
lifting of making toxic masculinity and paternalism

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digestible for for the larger audience, just as you.
Saying that, I'm just getting clips of the Honeymooners in my
head of Rafi, like saying, oh, I'm going to punch you in the
face to the moon, Alice to the moon, Alice to the moon.
Yeah. So Sergio, now that we've kind
of gotten to a conclusion, kind of brought us up to to the

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current day, at least as close as I wanted to for today.
I want to get my final thoughts and I'm going to turn it over to
you to close this out. Charlie Kirk has spent a lot of
time building out an organization that optimizes the
current right wing great replacement, Christian
nationalism, bootstrap economics, xenophobia, like it's

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all there, everything you want as a far right activist, a
someone who's a part of the MAGA, you know, brain disease or
whatever it is you want to call it.
Like these folks can all find a home at Turning Point now
because the likes of JD Vance, the one person who I think

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really is the most dangerous person in the White House, is
like their, their philosophies are fully overlapped now.
Like it, it, it's truly this like technocratic women back in
the kitchen. We need families.
We need white babies. We need women to produce
children. Like we need them to be baby

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factories again. And it's it's turning Point is
exactly what the SPLC identifiedthem as a anti government
extremist group. Like they generally that's what
they are. They do not see the government
and its current iteration as a good thing.
They want less government so they can rebuild that government
to have even more authoritarian government.

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And that's I think Turning Pointand Charlie Kirk are all about
over to you, Sir. So I absolutely.
Agree, I think that this gives aplatform for people to spout
this kind of information. And like you said with AJD
Vance, which I also think, like I'm, I'm having thought diarrhea

(01:15:44):
right now, is that you have thisguy who with JD Vance who spouts
the stuff, but also has a wife who was a lawyer and super,
super successful. So is he just following along
with the grift of saying that women should be in the kitchen

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but not really? Like honey, you, you make a lot
of money and and do this, but she but she left her firm.
But all these peons. Are are going to, but she's,
she's connected. She's she's got money and, and,
and, and there's a reason behindit.
And so it, it's super dangerous because right now we're in a

(01:16:25):
really, really precarious state when we talk about the SEC
getting dissolved, We have social media companies that are
no longer doing fact checking. So we're having basically full
blown, well, I mean, I don't even know if it's fact checking
because if it's left-leaning liberal stuff, is it going to be

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flagged or is it, it just going to which I guess I'm going to
lean to the side that it's, it'sgoing to be that the right, the
right side is going to be a lot more out there within, within
the algorithms. But we, we're, we're at this
information stage right now. What there's a lot of

(01:17:09):
uncertainty. There's a lot of distrust and
mistrust with in Donald Trump, in the government spouting off
hateful, untruthful things. And people are are eating it up.
And I guess one of the biggest tells that we're going to have
is the midterms that we're goingto have in a couple years to see

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what really happens. This is going to be a mandate by
the American people saying like what's going on right now is
unacceptable or is are we going to all be brainwashed to the
point of, you know what turning point and Donald Trump and JD
Vance want us to take in when when it comes to social media.

(01:17:51):
And so I, I'm going to be reallyconcerned like this next year
and a year and a half now we'll see if we'll still.
Be on air if we're going to. Be taken away to like torture
Centers for having at the extremes and spitting the
knowledge that we know to be true.
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