Episode 37: Weekly Roundup - Big Balls and MAHA

This week the guys chat about the week that was.

Join us, wont you?

Links:

• https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/06/leland-lehrman-make-america-healthy-again-institute-antisemitism-september-11/
• https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion
• https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/conspiracy-theory-rule-them-all/615550/

Ear Worm:

• https://open.spotify.com/track/27KqSOzLiN6p9sjs95MnZg?si=4_cTGSlHRqu6kuQPFYA9Vg

Episode Transcript

(00:07):
This is at the Extremes. Beloveds, welcome back to At the
Extremes, the podcast where we discuss the extremes in our
society. You know how we got here?
As always, we're your host. I'm Greg.
And I'm Serge. And today we're talking about
another lunatic who's in the Trump world.

(00:27):
But before we get into it, let'slet's talk several lighting.
Sergio, what do you got for us this week?
I. First of all, just like how how
many lunatics just. Continue to be.
The roster continues to grow. It's it doesn't stop.
It's like. Next man up, next woman up.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it feels like it
feels like the what is it, the 1998 Ravens football team where

(00:50):
it was just next man up every single game, every anyway.
Except these guys all suck, yeah.
Well, Trent Dilfer wasn't very good either, so yeah.
That's true. He still won a Super Bowl,
though. Did he win it?
Yeah, I think he was the the quarterback.
Wow, Trent Dilfer had a fucking ring.
Yeah. Jesus Christ.
Wow. All right.
Well, in that case. Yeah, So silver lining, I got my

(01:15):
car fixed, which is really exciting because we, the
household has been without a car, a car for the last.
So our two cars have been in theshop one for six months now and
the other for the last like weekand a half.
But that was fixed. And the silver lining is I got
my refund back for my student loans because I overpaid.

(01:35):
So it was, I didn't actually think that that was going to
happen, that they're actually going to give me the money back.
But I keep checking to make surethat I still have a 0 balance on
student loans. It's still 0.
And I got money back and that paid for for the car, a little
bit of money leftover. So.
So I brought over some beer. Hell yeah, dude.
That's awesome. Man.
That is so good. What?

(01:55):
What, like found? There's nothing better than
found money. It just comes out of nowhere so
well. And you know, one of the things
not to get like make such a big deal out of it, but not having a
car really sucks. And you think of a lot of people
having a car is a luxury and being able to get it fixed as a
luxury, being able to it go wherever you want, whenever you

(02:16):
want is is a huge luxury. And that really was able to
bring me back to a point where Iwas like, wow, you know, you
might not be rich, but you were in the top like 6-7 percent
being able to, you know, we had family and friends support and
let us borrow cars at times, butit's just nice to finally have a
car vac. But it also brought me back to

(02:37):
place of just like, stop bitching about things like
you've got you've got some some good stuff going on in your
life. And then also just thinking
about what you guys have talked about, you and Judy have talked
about in the the previous episode, which is really well
done. By the way, guys, Big shout out
to both of you that, you know, being able to take it back and

(02:57):
to really kind of think about what your problems are as
opposed to kind of the macro sphere with, you know,
Juneteenth and the struggle thatpeople of color have gone
through for thousands of years. Yeah, I mean, like there's also
something to be said about like,yeah, you know, everything's
relative. And my, you know, you're you're

(03:20):
not having a vehicle has, you know, at certain points in time
throughout the time has been an incredible frustration point.
That doesn't make it any less frustrating just because you're
not, you know, formerly a slave.But you know, it's, it's all
relative and just to be able to show gratitude no matter what
the situation is, I think is thelesson there.

(03:41):
Right. So hell the hell yeah.
Well done to get the car taken care of.
What was wrong with it by the way?
I don't know, it's like a a fuelpump exploded on what, or the
power steering pump had explodedand there was shrapnel that had
to. And then the other thing that
was really funny is that the inside door handle broke.
So I was having to unroll the window to open it up from the

(04:03):
outside. And the, the guy said, you know,
I thought it was going to be thecable.
Shout out to TNS Auto 2. They're they're character guys.
I would love to have them on just they're they're, they're a
wild bunch over at TNS. But he said that he had most of
the time it's just a cable is loose.
So you can, he said he has neverrepaired an inside door handle

(04:25):
ever. And that the thing that happened
with my car, he's like, yeah, you won the lottery.
I was like, cool. Awesome, glad this has never
happened to literally anybody. The.
Other thing that I love about these guys is that they'll go
down and not to be a Dick, but I, I don't need a full
explanation of every single thing that you did.
And but they, they just like doing it.

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They liked it. So when you go to pay, it's
going to be an extra 2530 minutes because they're going to
go. And so, and you know, the
thorough take thorough and taking it back a step.
It's it's awesome that people are doing that to explain why
they're doing it and not trying to screw you over.
Yeah, I was going to say it's better than them not telling
you. Exactly.
Yeah. And he, he gave us, you know,
the hey, look, these are things that you, you know, you should

(05:08):
probably get addressed in the next 5 to 6 months.
But you know you're good until then.
If you need brakes done. I know a guy well.
I I need to get my front brakes done on it.
Well, you bring your pads over, I'll take care of it.
Are you kidding me? I'm not going to flush your
brake fluid, but you'll have newbrakes in 15 minutes.
Really. Oh, yeah, I can get it done

(05:29):
fast. Yeah, there's silver lining,
man. I feel like I'm this is this is
back-to-back because I just got done doing 1 Arsenal schedule
came out. There's always Arsenal in, in,
in, in the darkest of times, there's always Arsenal.
So the schedule came out. We're looking pretty.
The early part of the season looks pretty rough, so it's

(05:50):
going to be pretty heavy, but you know.
I'd rather get that out of the way, you know?
First thing. First thing, because when the
injuries happen it it it's better to have, you know a full
squad to begin with than you know playing the the not as
strong teams. It's true.
And we're, we're going to, I mean, well, I've been told from
an insider in London today that there is a signing coming.

(06:12):
So really, Yep, Yep. Hopefully this is what Mendy so
we can lock down the midfield. You know what, no one wants to
hear about this, but, you know, subscribe to our Patreon, you'll
get the rest of it. But with our Silver Linings out
of the way, when we come back after our break, we're going to
discuss the douche canoe. And then after that, we're going
to be talking about the gentleman who is taking the Make

(06:37):
America Hell, a Healthy Again movement, and taking it into the
weirdest, darkest corners of theInternet.
So I can't wait for that. Cool.
We're back, Sergio Wali has withthe douche canoe, Bud.

(07:00):
Wow, man, super excited again tobe able to present on it on a
douche canoe and I think this one will not disappoint.
So hell yeah. You know, one of the things that
I struggle, not struggle with, but there's just such a plethora
of douches out there on the Internet, both for mail, mail,

(07:20):
they then there's just there's lots of douches.
But and so for the third week ofJune, which I believe this the
third week of June. Correct.
It is. Yeah, yeah.
That I'm going to nominate a fellow named Edward Korstein,
and you know, most of you might not recognize that name, but I
believe a lot of you will be able to recognize who this

(07:43):
individual is. That should be obvious.
Why do they call you big balls? I just said it was my LinkedIn
username. Well, people on LinkedIn take
themselves like super seriously and they're pretty adverse to
risk. And I was like, well, I would
have been neither of those things.
So I just, I said it. And honestly, I didn't even

(08:04):
think anyone would notice. OK, sorry I want to know one,
what private school did this kidgo to because he definitely went
to a private school right? And two, why does he call
himself big balls? That is the most, I mean it's
the most like doge, like Elon thing of all time.
So I'm glad you asked that. I don't know about a private

(08:27):
school but fuck the kid I mean. He looks like a private.
School. He looks like a private school
kid. Yeah, yeah.
And he is 19 years old to begin with.
I hate him so much. And it it is.
So I've been going through thesethis thought process because I
was thinking about your guys's conversation regarding
Juneteenth and Caroline Levitt being 26 or 28 years old.

(08:50):
And I just think of how that's ahuge, at 28 years old, 27 years
old. I was not in front of a press
corps. And not to give her a shout out,
but that takes a lot of fortitude to be able to go out
and just bang, bang, like, hey, you know, I've got the
confidence to do this. And even with this kid who's 19

(09:12):
years old, like I was probably, I would say a typical 19, I was
a, a dipshit And, and it, you know, as Judy would let you know
that your brain hasn't really fully developed until what, 26?
And if you have an. ADHD, you add a few more years
to it. So, and this kid is, is part of

(09:32):
Doge and, and doge has had a lotof really, really negative
impacts on, on this government to say the least.
Same word. Well, and the other thing too, I
think about the the moniker Big Balls.
Yeah, that's a fucking typical 19 year old thing to do.
Right, right, right. Yeah.

(09:54):
I mean, my, my e-mail for when Iwas 18 or 19 years old was Mr.
Panama, because I saw it on a Jerry Springer show and I was
going oh, Mr. Panama Fuck you, Ijust.
Why? Why would it be anything other
than that? Or the other one I had was El
Suavecito. El suavecito, all these things
are very Latin American based. Well, you know, I was really

(10:18):
feeling my Latin American roots back back in those days.
Not that I'm not feeling them now, but I couldn't.
Have mine, mine we're all like related to like Polo Cologne.
So like Polo Blue, one of my name, one of my name.
I was really into Polo Blue for some reason, I don't know why.
I mean it's not a bad smelling Cologne I guess at the end of
the day. No, but I actually, I had at at

(10:40):
where I work, I, I have some oldpolo sport and had a few
students. I have it just there for for
kids to spray up just so they don't smell and.
Someone was. You smell like an old man.
I was. Like, ah, I was like, you know
what? I do smell like an old man.
So back to big balls. So yeah.
What a great transition back to big balls.

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And again, back to your question, so the kid, the kids
19 years old, right? He looks like a complete dipshit
douche. And you know, one of the the
main and I, you know, I guess I don't want to sound super petty
by judging somebody by the way that they look, but will we can.
Oh, I am. Yeah.
I am not above that, unfortunately.
He's got some Charlie Kirk like small upper lip and.

(11:23):
Yeah, he's. Kind of looks like the the the
the special cousin of Draco Malfoy.
Yeah, that's, boy, that's a great shout.
That is a great shout. I honestly, I'm going to I'm
just going to pull up a picture of him while you're talking so I
can break break him down and bully him, cyber bully this kid,
which is probably why he is the way he.

(11:44):
Well, you don't want to do too much because this guy is a
self-proclaimed. Genius.
Yeah, he's also, yeah, he he is a big, beautiful genius.
He's one of those smart guys. He says he's smart.
I said you're dumb. And he said, there goes your
account, Sir, I've ruined your life.
So anyway, so this kid is a big Musk fanboy and he interned with

(12:06):
them with Musk's company, I don't remember which ones.
And Musk on X tweeted out big balls is awesome.
Which is. Kind of a weird thing to tweet
out. It's such an Elon thing to do.
But to. Say big balls big.
Balls is awesome. It's an awkward sentence, but
then it's also a guy that throwsout Nazi salutes when he's

(12:27):
railing ketamine. So.
Yeah, yeah, between, yeah, between rails of ketamine going
into K holes. So we're going to just do a
little. We're not going to get into
every single thing about big balls, but there's just a little
bit of an irony that I want to kind of get into.
I'll get the fucking face on that.
Yeah, yeah. He, he.
He is something else. I want to punch him right in his
stupid mouth. So he so some of the background

(12:51):
information about big balls is that he is a big Musk guy.
He loves Musk. He, you know, idolizes Musk.
But from truthout.org did some investigation kind of to some of
the his stuff that he did in hisearly life.
Well, it's all early because he's 19 years old.
Yeah, that was what I say. That's a how?

(13:11):
How young are we going here withhim?
Like 6 or 7? He's probably doing weird things
then. Oh, most definitely.
But he created multiple disturbing web URLURLS including
KKKS Cool Club, Raping Women Club and the Child Porno Store.
What the fuck? What the fuck?
Yeah. Like this is a this is someone

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who he thought it was funny. Like what the why the fuck do
you make these kinds of things? You know, and I think a lot of
the reason why is because you can and you're it.
It's like the it's. So fucking.
Stupid the 1920 year olds that at some point think that Donald
Trump is funny and. Like ha ha ha.
Which there are aspects where you're just like, OK, this is

(13:55):
just so ridiculous and he's sucha ridiculous human.
Being right, right? But not like, oh, he's cool.
And child porn dot store. Cool.
Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, and I mean he also
promoting the use of date rape drugs and girls that, you know,
were reference slavery and, you know, throwing out the N word

(14:19):
and stuff like that and basically a a spot where people
could post photos and stuff likethat without their IP addresses
being so kind. Of like an 8 Chan 4 Chan kind of
thing. Pretty much.
OK, OK, Jesus Christ. You know, some of the other good
things that he's, you know, goodthings quote, UN quote is yeah,
he, he's been known to interact with known white supremacists on

(14:46):
on Twitter. Cool, cool, cool.
So did that. Wow.
So this these are some of the the things that old big balls
has done. And you know, some of the other
stuff that he did is when in 2022, so when he was in high
school, also created a group andwas basically a cybercriminal.
So he was stealing cryptocurrency?

(15:08):
He was a cybercriminal. Yeah, and. 19 years old, this
kid has committed many many crimes.
Wow. And makes them very very.
Eligible fun. I just found one of the racist
URLs that he used. Yep.
N word sex dot download. That's cool.
I dot Tesla dot sexy. This is a really cool kid, man.

(15:32):
Yep, so cool. And I bet all of his friends
thought it was funny too. I'm sure.
Like this is just 19, You're 19.This is, you know, and again,
you give a kid leeway. We have all done things that
we're not proud of. Of course not.
Yeah. But I'm also have not ever.
Been given the keys to a Ferrariand told go ahead and drive it

(15:54):
and like whatever you hit you iswhat you hit.
And my and my folks raised me tonot think that raping women is
cool, right? And, you know, child porn stuff
is cool, right? Yeah.
You know, I've been, I wouldn't say I was raised as the perfect
child, but that was not part of no.
No, for most kids. And I think that's the

(16:16):
difference between like regular human beings and psychopaths.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a, I'm not a psychologist or anything,
but I think that's like the differentiator, isn't it, it?
It's. Or one of them.
And just a little bit more just about kind of who he is as as a
person is that he he started this group called E Godly.
It was on Telegram and they hijacked phone numbers and they

(16:40):
were part of swatting people. Oh, man.
So, Greg, do you do you know what swatting is?
So I know, I know. My only reference to it is when
like people would like streamersand gamers would essentially
like call the FBI like in the middle of a stream and have them
basically essentially attack or SWAT someone's home while

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they're playing video games. And it for it to be seen live
happening on like a streaming service.
Is that right? Yeah.
And those have had deadly consequences where you have had
people killed because people think it's funny to you.
Yeah, to, you know, to do that kind of thing.
And it's a big waste of resources.
Oh. Yeah, Jesus Christ.
Like, I can't imagine that the police services are happy to get

(17:22):
those kind of calls. Yeah.
And so, of course, he being an Elon fanboy and sounding like
he's a relatively smart kid, well, book smart.
I don't know about socially smart.
He was one of the main lieutenants quote UN quote of
doge and so in just to kind of refresh everybody's mind with

(17:46):
Doge is that he they've cut USAID, they've helped cut fire
121,000 federal employees. They've cut Social Security
stuff, Department of Education. So they've done a lot of really,
really detrimental things to this country.

(18:07):
And this kid is 19 fucking yearsold and has basically carte
blanche to do this. And this is kind of where it
goes to. The irony and why he wins the
the Douche Canoe of the Week award is that Big Balls is now
going to be a full time government employee.

(18:31):
Of course he'd be a full time government employee.
Why else wouldn't he become a full time government employee?
What a what? What a hyper contradiction.
Talk. Talk to me more about that.
Well, if your own entire job is to go in essentially to live the
libertarian dream, which is to gut all social services, gut the

(18:51):
government down to essentially just like mail delivery service,
and in times of war to to organize a military, you're
doing a great job of of just adding bloat to the size of the
government because I'm sure thiskid is not taking anything under
A6 figure salary. No.
And I actually now that you saidthat he is going to be one of

(19:12):
the highest advisors and get oneof the highest salaries that a
government employee can. Get yeah, he's probably got like
AGS 13 or 14 or something. Like that, something like that,
and Wired had reported and seen some of the paperwork.
So from a kid that was going to only be part of DOGE which isn't
even really a government agency,they were only going to be in

(19:33):
office for 130 days or so. Is now going to be a full time
government employee after he fired 121,000 people and
destroyed lives. Is going to be responsible for
killing millions of people overseas.
Who was part of the creation team of the $5,000,000 gold card
for immigrants to come in. He is now going to be a

(19:56):
government employee and. What is wrong with this group of
people? And so for that, big balls,
you're our douche canoe of the week.
Jesus Christ, fuck me. What a dildo.
Like I I just don't understand. Like, OK, getting back to like
being 19. Yeah, we all did stupid things.

(20:18):
I lit a Gurney on fire and threwit into a into the front yard of
a church during Halloween. Yeah, we all do stupid things.
I have never been told, hey go for it.
Go ahead and clear out an entireagency worth of people.
Then you can take their job if you want to.
Absolutely. And how basically the the the
backing of the richest man in the world.

(20:40):
Yeah. And and have the the year of top
officials. And you know, I think about it
too. And also the most powerful man
in the West at this point and Donald Trump, like we're
waiting, we're all holding our breath for two weeks to decide
if we're going to fucking nuclear war with Iran now.
Like there's just like you have all this is a kid, a 19 year old
boy who has the president's ear.And who has gone?

(21:05):
You know, I just think of anybody who has applied for just
kind of any job and at 19 you'rebasically starting at the bottom
and you so you're going to leapfrog people that have been
there 2025 years that have worked their way up to get and
make more salary and then be able to fire him.
Yeah, and I think like the the whole point behind civil service

(21:30):
is to do it for the benefit of the country, not for the benefit
of just yourself. And I think, I don't know, this
19 year old doesn't seem to be the kind of person who's into
working and operating from a space of like genuineness.
No, and I mean but that's fucking normal for a 19 year old

(21:50):
to not be able to do that and again, not to fault him.
And I also think too like how different it was for we had
Internet but we didn't have Internet like this.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, I think about I
don't have Facebook anymore, butjust I looked back, this is
probably like a year ago, just old when it first started
because you had to be in collegeto get phased.

(22:10):
That's right, yeah. At old post and I was just.
Like, oh God. Oh yeah, there's no anti-Semitic
right. Well, good.
That's good, That's good. That's good.
A good place to start. Low bar to cross, but yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's a low bar, but I, I was.
Able still 1 you were able to clear unlike this 19 year old
asshole. Exactly.
And so it's to me just the hypocrisy of just firing all

(22:32):
these people and now you're going to be a full time
government employer and have oneof the highest salaries is just,
it made me really angry. No, we haven't.
Understandably so. Like I wish we could go back to
a time when 19 year olds were like.
Working at McDonald's. And like, like, right in like
666 on the bathroom wall, like, you'd go into a Target.
You'd be like, Oh yeah. Or penises.

(22:53):
Yeah, like. 3 = d like whatever happened to that?
You know, like, and now I fully sound like an old man who
screams at clouds, but like. Writing boobs on your calculator
on your TI-83 upside down. Boobless.
I still do it now. Why wouldn't you?
I mean, I got a smartphone. I could do that all the time now
if I want to. But no, it's like, yeah, there

(23:14):
is, there is that that disconnect between what it was
to be 19 years old in the early 2000s and like, you know, to to
be a 19 year old in 2025 with the proliferation of trolling as
like a main source of entertainment.
Like we're like, we're talking about a generation of kids who

(23:35):
are growing up with like, peoplebeing swatted and that's
entertainment. I just think about fucking
Youtubers like you look at somebody.
Yeah, I, I, I. Don't go on social media 10 I
have been at the extremes account on on Instagram that
follow us should follow us, but I look at some of the other
accounts and they're done and they're 80 what 865,000 people

(23:58):
are following this that's. Insane to.
Me yeah, no, I mean God, I was looking at so Cody dropped like
2 new videos that are we might like privately have to discuss
these. They're insane.
But they they both have it they dropped in within 48 hours of
each other. They both have over 1 million

(24:19):
views and it's just like, like the more outrageous you are, the
more that seems to attract eyes for obvious reasons, Right?
Like you're like, Oh my God, I want to see what this idiot has
to say. But like or do.
But Cody is not even like a bit like Kaisenat or I show speed.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. PewDiePie.
I mean, these guys have. Or Mr. Beast, like Mr. Beast, I
mean, these guys have. Yeah.

(24:41):
An insane amount and even working in a high school and
working with kids yeah, they're just like yeah.
And they the tea brothers had just a huge following and so it
it you and I didn't have access to be able to kind of do that
and and that's the thing now like.
So I'm going to be a a streamer.I mean, I shit my neighbors when

(25:02):
they before they moved their little girl, I asked her, we
were all like in the yard one day and I was throwing like
kicking soccer balls with them and I was like, oh, do you want
to be a soccer player when you're up?
She goes, no, I want to be a tiktoker.
And like, I just kicked the ballback over the fence and just
walked away like. Fuck yourself kid, get the.
Fuck out of my yard. Mr. Greg doesn't want to talk to

(25:23):
you anymore. Get the fuck out of here.
What are you talking about? You want to be a tik Toker?
And but like, that's that is that's it.
Like, that's, I mean, I rememberbeing a kid and being like, oh,
yeah, I want to be a firefighter.
I want to like now it's like it's very different.
The world is very, very different.
And when you've got 19 year oldswho are able to if they wanted
to, because I'm sure he's smart enough to get away with it, like

(25:44):
flash drive this, this machine and scrub all of our Social
Security data off of if he wanted to and take it with him,
I'm sure he's smart enough to get away with it.
Dog big balls had access to a shit ton of private information.
I'm sure like HIPAA, like protected information too 'cause
these things are all stored on government systems.
And it's a system that it's really hard to be able to get

(26:08):
access to. And with Doge, they were able to
to crack it. And you had him and the, you
know, the other three or four young guys that were on there,
which to me is just insane. Yeah, and I, I would be worried
about in the next couple of years, months and years coming
in like people's health data being sold to the highest bidder

(26:31):
kind of thing coming out of the White House.
Like I, you can almost write theheadline if you want it to, you
know what I mean? I.
Mean there's there's so many different scenarios that can
come from all of this and the, you know, the different money
making opportunities. That we will.
Be able to sell this informationbecause it's all about
advertising and sales and being able to, you know, find that
algorithm to. Fucking WhatsApp just drop ads

(26:53):
on their on, on, on the program.So it's like I'm, I'm, yeah.
Now that you can't, you can't get away from it for too long.
But yeah, well, you've got assholes digging around through
your data. It makes it a whole lot easier
for them to find it. Yeah, well, hey, I I say we take
a real quick break. I I need to I need to like do

(27:14):
AKA rail of K here and and. Go into kidney failure.
Yeah, I mean I can't wait. It's going to be great.
But when we come back, we're going to talk about
anti-Semitism actually and fellaby the name of Leland Lerman.

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So, Sergio, I have suggested in past episodes that I really
enjoy conspiracy theories. Was there a shooter, a second
shooter on the lawn? Debbie, Land of the moon, Just
trickle down economics work. Is Mormonism real?
Do I believe anything's these things to be true?
No, I don't. But they're make for interesting
conversation, right? Like sure.
Do. And actually, you know what?
I was at the Grassy Knoll in Dallas.

(28:00):
Yes, you have said. Oh, Dad.
I said it before, Yeah, yeah. This is not the first time JFK
shootings come up on this show. Unfortunately, that has to, I
mean, that has to mean something.
As a conspiracy theorist, everything has a meaning.
But no, like, so to start our segment, I wanted to talk a
little bit about the history of anti-Semitism.

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And then we're going to transition into the new
character that's building out the pantheon of our particular
brand of crazy assholes. And this guy's a crazy asshole
for sure. I I actually never really looked
into the history of anti-Semitism.
Like where does it come from? When, where, how, like, why did
it begin? Like, where does all this come
from? Because you know, right now in

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our country, anti-Semitism is through the roof, right?
Like anti-Semitism, hate speech.People were fucking a guy tried
to light a person on fire in Denver, like during a, you know,
an Israeli, an Israeli protest or whatever, right?
Like, but like this people are like trying to let people in

(29:02):
fire. I wanted to real quickly go into
the story about that real quick.So if you stick with me, I
promise you it's going to pay off so.
Story time with. Great, the origins of
anti-Semitism are kind of hard wired into the Christian faith.
It turns out that they've alwaysbeen at odds like Christianity
and Jewish faith. Early Christian apologists

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thinking specifically a guy by the name of Justin, he became
martyred and a bunch of Jewish people killed him, which added
to the lore of all this stuff. But they were always kind of at
at odds with each other. And in the 10th century the
Crusades were popping off as Christians or want to do.

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They went sticking their noses in places where it doesn't
belong. So the Pope at the time said
something to the effect of go kill the enemy.
And the enemy was defined as anyone who was Pagan, right?
So if you belong to any other religion, you were considered to
be Pagan according to this particular Pope.
And so as they are anyone who isin a Christian who are believer

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in Jesus and being the Lord and Savior, the Messiah, the second
coming, Jews fall firmly into that camp as people who don't
believe that Jesus is the secondcoming of the Lord.
And so in Europe, all throughoutEurope, these pogroms started or
violent attacks on Jewish people.
Pogrom is a Russian word, by theway.
So keep that in your back pocketfor a little further in the

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story. So things like blood libel,
which is an idea that is thoughtto have originated in England,
it's an idea that rabbis and Jewish people were killing
Christians and their babies to perform Pagan rituals.
And that only added more fuel tothe fire.
The the accusation basically is like, all right, this rabbi's

(30:52):
going to come in, he's going to steal your child in the middle
of the night, and then he's going to use its blood to make
matzo. Out of the bread, yeah.
So like and because it was a part of their, because it was a
part of their religious traditions, it was being seen.
To kill Christian behaviors. Yeah, like that's how it like
that is the extension of like the logical extension that these
early Christians were making waslike, Oh yeah, no, like their

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religion is fully Pagan because they're killing our babies to
make bread. I mean like.
I don't know, I like matzo bread.
It's pretty delicious. Yeah, it's full of iron,
apparently. But then that's also fucking
weird because you think about like Christianity and you're

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literally drinking the blood of Christ if you're.
Catholic Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. There's you're not going to find
any holes in any of these arguments at all and anywhere.
There's no holes in these arguments.
So as a result of being treated as second class citizens being
hunted, Jewish folks were pushedto the outer rings of society.
They were pushed into literally into the forests in some cases.

(31:57):
So like you get these like what is the I forget the name of the
Brothers Grimm, like the storiesof like an old witch with a big
hooked nose and all that is an anti-Semitic Semitic trope,
right? So like like they they also
believe that these women were witches and Pagan.
So like it's an easy one to one connection, right?

(32:20):
And. It's really crazy.
If you if you really want to have a mind fuck just read these
old Brothers Grimm fairy tales. They're they've been watered
down a lot. Like Time Yeah by Disney.
By Disney and by but it is it isinsane when you read the actual

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original stories of how they were like grinding the bones and
drink. They're crazy violent.
Grind your bones to make my bread.
It's I mean, wow, yeah, there's anti-Semitism is like rooted in
just about everything Christianscame up with at some point in
time. So it's really, really a wild it

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it took me for a wild ride this week.
But many of these Jews, as I mentioned, push the boundaries
of society and for most jobs, except for money traders.
So basically the Christians werelike, hey, you're not good
enough to occupy the positions that you know, are like to be in

(33:25):
like civil service or to be likea soldier.
Like we can't trust you to do those things, but we can trust
you with like to handle the money because that's what you
were doing before. Like it's the only thing you're
good for. So like they created the problem
and then created a stereotype around the problem that they
created. I mean, because like, isn't the

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whole idea like the Jewish people are money hungry and like
all this other stuff? Like that's like the racist
trope. Well, that they they control all
the world banks and. Stuff like that.
And and and Hollywood, right? Yeah, yeah.
So like there's a lot of that that has been built into
anti-Semitism and you know, had it just been about religion?

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I was reading this one piece from a scholar an A Holocaust
scholar. He was talking about it and he
was saying had it been just about their faith, then
anti-Semitism would have disappeared a long time ago.
But because they made it about the one thing that I can't avoid
when I wake up in the morning isI've got black skin.

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They can't avoid being, you know, ethnically Jewish.
So it became about not just their religion, but about who
they were as people. So like, that's how it it
becomes. It starts to build and build and
build. And at this point in time of the
story, I'm going to introduce you to a gentleman by the name
of Leonard Lerman. Leonard is the head of the RFK

(34:51):
organization Maha Institute. What's Maha mean?
Make America healthy again? What?
These guys are just so clever. It's the best marketing in all
of marketing. But I'm going to be leaning on a
piece from Mother Jones by Anna Merlin to help our conversation

(35:12):
along with with regards to Len Leland.
Sorry, not Len Leland. Leland Lerman is quote a self
styled media entrepreneur, anti vaccine activist and former tea
house owner who once unsuccessfully ran for U.S.
Senate in New Mexico as a Democrat.

(35:32):
That means nothing to the story,but.
But the thing that's interestingabout that though, is that in
New Mexico and Arizona, there there's a a big population of
people that believe in like the earth crystals and natural like
energy fields. And stuff like that.
Was it energy portals like in like, Sonoma?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A Sedona, Not Sedona.

(35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sedona, Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we Sonoma. You guys just get drunk.
There's a there's a portal to somewhere there.
It's so expensive though. I love it though.
It's a beautiful area. Oh.
My God, it's so nice. So is Sedona though.
Sedona is 1. Of the.
Beautiful. It's one of the most magical
places I've ever been. Oh.
My God, the red rock formation'sall over the place.
Like it's just there's something.

(36:14):
There is something there. It, it, it, you know what?
You're absolutely right. And you know, I don't get too
far into the crystal talk, but I, I will say that for anybody
that living in the United Statesthat has opportunity, you have
to get it get down to the Southwest.
It is one of the most beautiful areas I've ever been to in my
life. Anyway, back to our story
though. The advocacy group Maha seek to

(36:37):
advise elected officials on the movement's agenda and and find
and attract allies to work within the government, which I
mean, is like RFK is the inspiration behind this group.
So like, do you think they're advising officials towards the
like the common good? You know what I mean?
Like this isn't, this is a broken system to begin with.
And now you're adding, you know,make America healthy again

(37:00):
officials to trying to like guide policy.
I just don't. The thing that I really struggle
with with. All of it is that I, there's
some things that RFK junior says.
I'm just like, yeah, you know what?
We, we need to have, you know, access to healthier food.
We need to have, you know, things work.
In a way. To get people to exercise more

(37:23):
to have access to this stuff. That's right.
But this whole thought process against anti anti vaccine
vaccines is just so fucking insane that it's just like, and
all of it is, is, is based off of there's a whole history and
we could probably go into that too of, you know, the, the

(37:44):
people that are anti vaxxers. But all, all the logic goes from
this discredited study that happened in England where every
doctor has said, no, this is fucking bullshit.
And people run with it and just say, well, it causes autism and
we are just, we only have what, a couple more months and autism
is going to be cured? You know what, we're going to

(38:06):
keep our eye on that. You know what we should have A
countdown clock. The end of autism.
Jesus Christ, boy oh boy, I I, II for one, can't wait for the
day. You know what we should do that
we should have a countdown clockon our on our blue sky.
Yeah. Yeah.

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And then on the day that it's supposed to be cured, we'll,
we'll have a big party. I you know what I'm going to,
I'm going to make that happen because that genuinely, but
dude, you're going to love this.Back to our story.
One of the Co presidents of MahaInstitute is Mark Groton, who
was the creator of the early 2000s file share program called

(38:47):
Limewire. That that's not the only reason
why he came onto my radar this past week.
Leland, as outlined in Anna's article, has a quote long
history of promoting anti-Semitic extreme and
extremist conspiracy theories, as detailed in a new report from
the Institute on Research and Education on Human Rights, an

(39:10):
organization that studies extremism on the far right.
One specific conspiracy theory that he abides to is called the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion.It's the oldest anti-Semitic
conspiracy theory, and it's. Not even fucking new.
No, it's not. But it is one of the first viral
conspiracy theories. It's one of the most debunked

(39:31):
pieces of literature of all time.
But it is getting getting a bit of a renaissance in the Maha
movement, apparently. Cool, I've got a, I've got a
joke for you. Knock, knock.
Who's there? Henry Ford.
Henry Ford who? Henry I was an American Nazi,
promoted myself, published anti-Semitic literature, Ford,

(39:52):
that's who. Really bad.
Stand up that one. But along with Charles Lindbergh
who was the first person to perform a solo transatlantic
flight, who also set a distance flying record from Manhattan to
Paris, which is over 3500 miles doing it solo, which is pretty
fucking impressive. That's bad ass.
Yeah, he was also a flaming racist.

(40:13):
Oh yeah, He hated everybody who wasn't white.
Everybody. Was it his baby that got
kidnapped? I think so, yeah, but no.
So yeah, he does that. He does the flight, which is, I
mean, to be honest, like you said, it's a fucking bad ass
thing to be able to do that by yourself.
I mean, I can't imagine what that would look like by
yourself. But much like Ford, Lindbergh
was also a gigantic pile of shit, as I mentioned, who

(40:34):
peddled in racist garbage. Anti-Semitism flourished quite
rapidly throughout the earliest 20th century in America.
The great wave of immigration from 1881 to 1914 brought 2.2
million Eastern European Jews toAmerica, fleeing the
persecution, seeking opportunities.
You know, all the things that people from the American
southwestern border are doing right now.

(40:57):
One to one connections. Oh my goodness sake, it is just.
We don't learn. We don't, but the thing that and
I don't want to get into becauseI don't want to go too far
ahead, but the just the what what's going on in when when you
have the likes of Stephen Miller, who's a prominent
conservative Jewish person who is spouting all this anti

(41:23):
immigration racist bullshit and from coming from a history and
growing up from this shit that you know, his people has dealt
with. And then the whole shit that
because George Soros is the big punching ground for for the
right that Soros does, you know,all these.

(41:43):
Ng OS and like he's got people out there like he's hiring for
protests and like to bring down the American democracy and blah
blah blah blah blah. And it's just, to me, it's just
the just a contradiction is thatthat people want to have the
scapegoat, but they'll have their token Jews to be able to,
you know, to speak these messages.

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But they also support Israel, but only support Israel.
So it gets destroyed so that therapture can happen.
Back to the protocols though. So.
So I said that Ford was emblematic of the anti-Semitism
movement during that era. And I say that because in 1918,
Ford purchased a newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, where he

(42:24):
published anti-Semitic articles that would later be become four
volumes titled The InternationalJew Colon, The World's Foremost
Problem. This is a guy who, you know, we
we talk about you and I have talked about a lot like people
are multitudes. You know what?
I. Mean like.
How do you become like a guy who's revolutionizes, you know,

(42:47):
industrial manufacturing and also hate an entire group of
people? I don't.
It just doesn't make any sense to me, but, well, actually it
kind of does. Not that I've read up on them,
but based on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which
described an international ruling conspiracy, the article
series. The series alleges that such a
conspiracy was infiltrating America.

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These articles ran from 1920 to 1924, reaching hundreds of
thousands of readers and legitimizing ideas that
otherwise would have remained onthe fringes.
Originally published under the book titled Antichrist, which.
You know what? Actually, I think it's probably
best that I have Elisa Bemperod,a professor of Eastern European

(43:33):
Jewish history in the Holocaust at Queen's College, give you the
rest of the brief we'll. Probably say it better than you.
So the Tsarist secret police puttogether this document that
basically chronicled the meetings, the alleged meetings
that took place over time in Prague at the site of the Jewish

(43:54):
cemetery by Jewish elders who came together to discuss ways in
which they could rule the world,in which Jews could rule the
world. So every single movement in
history, every single event in history can be that way

(44:18):
attributed to the Jews. The Jews have a scheme, have a
ploy to rule over the world and they, you know, so that the
French Revolution, according to these protocols was, you know,
was orchestrated by the Jews, socialism invented by.
So she goes on to talk about socialism being a part of this
like conspiracy. Capitalism is a part of this

(44:40):
conspiracy. Any like any hyper complex
structure, any like the French Revolution could not have been
because of the proletariat were tired of the bourgeoisie fucking
yeah fucking them over at every opportunity and finally got
lucky in a moment where they were able to bring down the
monarchy. It couldn't be because of that.

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Let them eat cake. Yeah, it couldn't be because
they had a terrible, terrible leaders doing terrible things to
the people. It had to be because a secret
cabal of money hungry Jews did it like I don't.
You really do have to have something disc like there's a
wire disconnected in there. Like it's actually, you know
what it is. It's simple solutions for

(45:22):
complex problems there. There's always going to be an
out group. Right there, always has.
To be and there there has to be an out group to be able to
blame. What's the the the quote?
It's like, you know, when you, it, it was like a presidential
thing, like the this president wrote the another president a
letter. The you know, when problems

(45:43):
start to happen, you, you blame the predecessor.
And then when you know, you get blamed again, then, then you
resign. Yep.
Yep, I mean, yeah, you take credit for the good things and
you and you pass the buckle and the bad things, right.
Like it. Yeah, You know, the the failures
of capitalism cannot be because there are too many incredibly

(46:05):
wealthy people and not enough people who have got enough
income to keep the scales balanced.
No, it's it's the Jews that are doing it to you or it's.
Not it's a screwing you over, but we're we're going to blame,
you know, these policies and these on on, on Jewish people.
Or, you know, there's another one that I've heard about, like
interracial marriages and relationships are Jewish people

(46:29):
are putting into like news propaganda, like to glorify
racial interracial relationships.
So as a result, like white womenare being convinced to have
relationships with black men. And that comes down to the Jews
who are doing it. Like if you watch more Charlie
Kirk, which we are going to do again, I want to come back to
him, but like he even talks about it.

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And so it's like, it's not, it'snot an old trope on it's an old
trope that is just getting legs again because we have a fascist
in government. But how, how so?
How do the likes of like, a a Charlie Kirk, a Ted Cruz, how,
how do they deal with a Stephen Miller?
Because they're already coming in with a a predetermined bias

(47:11):
against Miller being Jewish. So how do they continue to do
what they do? I think it's, I think it's the
same thing. They, they've, they're done with
Trump and, and, and he's a hammer and you, in order to
knock the entire building down, you need somebody to do it and
they don't want to. So once once you're done with
that guy, though, you can get rid of them and you're done with

(47:33):
them. You don't need them anymore.
I don't know it and it is, I think the so Speaking of Ted
Cruz, and this might be a littlenon sequitur, but did you watch
the Tucker Carlson Ted Cruz? Yeah.
And they kind of went into it a little bit.
I mean, I guess we're talking anti anti-Semitism.
And I never thought that would be like, fuck yeah, Tucker.

(47:58):
Yeah. And, you know, we could I I
wouldn't mind. Like, what was it Squid Games
with with Tucker Carlson, Ted? Cruz Yeah.
Stephen Miller. Oh my God.
Basically all of Trump's cabinetand people around him.
That entire universe of people. But I watched that and I was

(48:19):
like, holy fuck. Like.
And it's such a, it's such an interesting move.
It's like a, it's a judo move from Tucker Carlson, who was El
a pro war lackey during the first when we went into
Afghanistan and Iraq. So like everything he says is

(48:39):
baked in anti-Semitism everything he says.
He's such a pile dude. He's he's a worm.
God I hate that guy so much. But I guess the one thing that
we can come out is that they're both big pieces of shit.
But it's the first time that. It's the infighting in the
crowd, in the in the right now. It's the infighting of what I

(49:00):
mean because Marjorie Taylor Green and all those guys Bannon
are anti. You know, oh, they're
anti-Semitic as fuck. But they're also anti going into
war with with Iran. Oh yeah.
But if it was they're they're they're anti war, they're the
anti interventionist party. But it's because they want them
to kill each other. So that way they don't have any

(49:22):
more migrants coming to the country.
Like it's like it looks like polite, like Oh yeah, we're
we're all on the same side over here.
We're all anti war now We're they're anti war for a very
different. Reason.
Oh absolutely. And I and I don't get it
twisted. Oh, I'm not.
I'm not, I am. I am not like.
Oh, Tucker Carlson's awesome. But it's it's nice to actually

(49:43):
see pieces of shit and, and Tucker Carlson is a real
journalist. He he he is a journalist and he
grilled the fuck out of Ted Cruzand made Ted Cruz.
He's a real journalist when he wants to ask questions, which is
very rare. But he is the only one that has

(50:04):
done it in a while and grilled one of these guys.
So I'm being on that because they're not going to go on any
and any left-leaning podcasts ornew shows.
But to have somebody that's on the right just.
Well, it's it's because. You know the population?
How many people? It's because he's even further
right than Ted Cruz. And like that's like they're,
he's attacking him further from the right than where Ted Cruz is

(50:26):
AT. And that's.
It's fucking insane because they're both.
Crazy as shit. I don't know if I have somebody
within my sphere of life that ismaybe Co workers that are that
far right. I don't know what I don't I, I
think that I don't know that I know anybody who is genuinely

(50:47):
that far right. I think that there are people
who like play to like piss me off because they know I get
angry really quickly about not stupid stuff, but about stuff
like this. And I think that they play to
that because they know it'll getme angry.
But I don't know anyone who genuinely feels like that we
shouldn't get involved because Iwant to see the Middle East
crush so that we don't get any more migrants to come to our

(51:08):
country like. Yeah.
Let them nuke each other. Why do we need to worry about it
is. Or or cutting money from the
military so we can defend the borders to keep, you know, and
create a even bigger world ban from coming into our our into
our country. Yep.
And then also like, you know, deport anybody who doesn't agree
with our positions. I mean, yeah, we'll get into

(51:29):
Tucker one day. There are in with regards to the
protocols. There are 24 of them, each one
of them have nefarious titles like Methods of Conquest,
Prophecy of Worldwide War in which the author the the author
of the of the Protocols goes line by line explaining how
Jewish people and are responsible and forever will be

(51:51):
responsible for every conflict that happens on the globe.
And in 19 O3 the Banner, a St. newspaper in Saint Petersburg,
Russia, who was owned by a gentleman by the name of Pavel
Kushan. He he he publishes the the
Protocols and he multiple newspapers throughout the
Russian Empire. He used them to promote the

(52:13):
hatred of Jews. And in 1903, like I mentioned,
the articles were published. And after publishing the
articles of the, the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,
a pogrom was carried out in Kishinev where 49 Jews were
killed and hundreds were woundedwith over 700 houses being
looted and destroyed. Remember that whole blood libel

(52:33):
thing we were talking about? What do you think started the
pogrom? Like that's he was in his
newspaper was writing over and over and over again about how
they were kidnapping kids like in Eastern Orthodox churches and
killing them because kids were going missing because they were
being taken to other monasteriesto I was.

(52:54):
Going to say they're getting eaten by like Siberian tigers or
I. Mean you.
Know whatever. Which is even more likely than
than being taken by rabbis and being used to make matzo ball
soup or bread, you know, like it's that's more likely than
that happening. Makes no sense.
Luhrmann also believes that the Jews are responsible.

(53:14):
The guy that we're talking aboutthe the Make America Healthy
Again Institute Guy Luhrmann, hebelieves that the Jews were
responsible for 9/11 as well. Let me.
Just take us back really quick. Please please do I've I've
jumped around a lot here so. Just talking about Russia and
this is maybe an ADHD moment, but one of the things that's so

(53:36):
crazy for me about Russia is that it has 11 different time
zones. Yes, that is an ADHD moment,
right? There, but this is where it ties
into is that it is such a big country with the majority of the
population being what on the western portion, the Western

(53:58):
Front of of Russia that you havejust you're you're trying to
disseminate this kind of information throughout this
ginormous conglomerate of a melting pot of different
cultures and it just like went the further you get out to like
Siberia and. The Asian steppe and all that
stuff like you have, Mongols areout there, Northern Chinese,

(54:20):
northern Japanese. And and then you have just the
further out you get, the less information that you can get.
And the stereotypes can just, yeah, ran, run, you know, run
wild. Oh, yeah.
I mean, like if you think about so like I was watching a a
documentary years ago about how this one guy was banned from his
village and ended up living in ain a little wood Hut out in

(54:43):
Siberia. Like a couple of people who were
with I think like the Russian net, like TV network, whatever
found him and they were like, hey, we want to make a
documentary. I think he was a Jewish guy like
like these people, like it's notsomething like that's ancient
history, like it very recent stuff.
So like it's, it's pretty fucking wild that it still sits
with us unfortunately, boy, but yeah, I know.

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So he he he believes that this nine, that 911 was a Jewish
conspiracy and he pushes this conspiracy on a a radio show
with a guy by the name of Jeff Rentz.
And I visit his website and I want you to take a real quick
look at this and I want you to walk us through what you think

(55:27):
about this website, OK? So Greg is doing this all, all
of this so that you don't have to.
Believe me, you don't want to. Like we're going to go like as
we get a little further into Rentz's website, we're going to
go to the Hitler section becausethere's an entire section for
Hitler. Cool.
So it it kind of like presents itself like.

(55:47):
This is like the geocities or whatever.
Website yeah. So this is my if we go down
here. So there's like an entire
sidebar here where you can go tothe North American quake
earthquake monitor. So like this guy plays across
multiple conspiracies like Prepper world, like every like

(56:08):
this guy's got this. Is insane.
Yeah, he's got his hands in there, just about every little
thing. But one of the one portion like
I mentioned that I wanted to go to was the Adolf Hitler portion.
But I'll give you some time. So one of the things that it
reminds me of if anybody that's our listeners are were gamers.
This reminds me of like Duke Nukem, you know, old computer

(56:31):
games and like the early 90s just the way it's all 8.
It's kind of has the the highlighter colors and the ads
on the side and it's a pretty ridiculous website.
Oh my God, dude, it's it. Is it?
Looks pretty anti-Semitic. Oh it's definitely anti-Semitic
as fuck. And where is the Hitler section

(56:54):
there? So Greg is currently scrolling
down, probably like this is page15.
Oh yeah, yeah, this is the we'rewe are so pivotal series
stories, historic stories, rightthe.
True. The true Adolf Hitler.
So that they've done is they've taken the German version of

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Hitler's speeches and transpose them with an AI to be all
English so that English listeners can hear like the
true, true intent of Hitler's speeches about, you know, Jews
and what happened in World War 2and blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah. But yeah, so there's the intent,
the incredible story of Hitler, versions 1-2 and three, Hitler's

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undeniable, extraordinary peace proposition.
I believe it's what that is, Yes.
So like, again, all of this stuff links to like, crazy, like
batshit Alex Jones looking stuff.
I mean, look at this. He's got a picture of Adolf
Hitler next to a dove. Oh my God, this is and some

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weird guy with a white cat. Of course, it's not like a
Jewish cat or black cat. No, no, of course not.
You can't have that. They would eat your soul or fuck
her wife. But so yeah, like it's just like
there's so many problematic things with that guy's website.
And and the SPLC has a little something to say about the
Southern Poverty Law Center has a little something to say about

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this. Too many of America's most
notorious professional racists and anti semites now call Jeff
Rentz's network, his radio network home.
Some of the more prominent ones,including David Duke or
Stormfront's Don Black. Stormfront is a pro Nazi website
in the United States have their own talk shows on Rentz's radio

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network and about half a dozen or more lesser known hate
mongers and anti semites run banner ads or a regularly
featured guests on the various featured programs And and rents
seems to have followed a path that seems to be replicated by
just about every person who starts with conspiracy talk
shows. I'm thinking about like Alex
Jones, right. Like, you know, you start with

(59:03):
like the New World Order stuff or like you start with like even
maybe like even more simple stuff like Bigfoot, JFK, aliens,
like the moon landing. Pharma.
Yeah. Or like, no, just like, you
know, Flat Earth, right? Like stuff that seems to be
innocent enough, and then all ofa sudden you believe there's a
cabal of people who want to bankrupt the world, kill your

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children for their adrenochrome,and eventually dominate the
world. Like that's seems to be like the
track that all of these people take and that's rents.
Like, that's what he does, you know, probably racist out of his
mind and most likely to declare himself, declare himself a
sovereign citizen because he doesn't, he doesn't believe it.

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It's a country. He believes it's a corporation.
And so I'm just showing you realquick a picture of Rents kissing
his ninth wife. Oh my God.
So rents is that's a dyed mustache with Gray hair.
He keeps that thing jet black. Big big ups to him.
He's got a full foolish headed head of hair, but.
He looks like a burnt out like 70's rock.

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Star. Yeah, yeah.
So he lives out outside of Portland, OR.
So he's like, he's got like that, that vibe of like that
we've talked about in previous episodes about the Pacific
Northwest, right? Like, it's made of multitudes of
crazy people. And there's no doubt that Rentz
is a crazy motherfucker that ourboy Lerman subscribes to.

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But back to Lerman, your boy also enjoys and promotes a book
called Pawns in the Game, which was written by a Canadian anti
semite named William Carr. And cars.
Dude, there's so many wrong, there's so many things wrong
with this, like this fear of people.
But Pawns in the Game was written by William Carr, a noted

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author who had distinguished career as a Canadian naval
officer, including outsource outstanding service in World War
2. In the work of in his work it
it's outlined in a sensational and shocking revelations.
He shows how conspiracy of atheistic materialistic men has
manipulated world events to secure ultimate control of
wealth, natural resources and manpower of the entire world.

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You know, again, this atheistic materialistic thing, you know,
you can go all the way back to what we were talking about
earlier about it, like just pagans, right?
Like that's what they think of Jewish people is that they're
pagans. The Satanic conspiracy car goes
on the show. Strives to abolish Christianity
and all religions, dismantle allordered national governments,

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and weaken and finally destroy patriotism.
Nations, the traditional family life.
Pawns of the Game traces the history of the Great Conspiracy
and the World revolutionary movement, showing the roles of
the Illuminati, Freemasons, Communists, and the United
Nations. The book shows the conspiracy's
part in the American Revolution,the French Revolution, the

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communist taker over Russia in World War 2.
So it's basically just another version of the Elders of Zion?
It's. Just the a a worldwide
scapegoating of the others. Yeah, and like, that's all it
is. Like, Oh my God, dude, let's
take a real quick break. When we come back, we're going
to debunk the Elders of Zion andwe are going to hopefully the

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Lerman alive, we're back.
So the The Elders of Zion, The Protocols rather, have been

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debunked early and often, and itstarted all the way back in
1921, a mere 17 years after the Protocols were published.
In the London Times article by reporter Philip Graves, he
compares side by side passages from Maurice Jolly's Dialogue in
Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu with a side by side

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of Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and shows just how
plagiarized The Protocols of theElders of Zion were from the
Machiavelli Montesquieu document.
And I just wonder if you like UAI them together and just saw
what percentage? Oh, dude, I'm sure we like, can
you work? Can you figure that out?

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Is there a way to do that? I mean there is, but my phone is
like 4 inches from me and that seems like a little too far for
me to to reach. But no, like the, I guess the
point that I'm trying to make is, is that the, the the
protocols are played out. It's tired, it's old, you know,
simple answers for a complex world mixed with untethered
hate. It makes with things like the

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Holocaust or folks being peacefully protesting in Denver
being attacked by a lunatic witha flamethrower in 2025.
Yeah, again, if you're an administration that is so
focused on anti-Semitic behaviour at universities and
within the government, why do you have so many anti semites
within your government? That's a very profound and deep
question. This is a clip of Donald Trump

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at the Israel American Council event in Washington, DC in 2024.
But if we don't win this election, Israel, in my opinion,
within a period of two to three years, will cease to exist.
It's going to be wiped out. It's what's going to happen.

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It's a tough thing to say, but what difference is it from my
standpoint? I have to tell you the truth.
Or maybe it's. Going to be wiped out.
It's what's going to happen. It's a tough thing to say, but
what difference does it make from my standpoint?
I have to tell you the truth. And maybe you'll be energized
because there's no way that I should be getting 40%.

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If I threaten your lies, maybe you'll be energized to vote for
me. Or what does it matter to me?
I don't give a. Shit.
The vote, I'm the one that's protecting you.
These are the people that are going to destroy you and you get
you have 60% of the Jewish people essentially voting for
them. In my opinion, the Jewish people

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would have a lot to do with a loss.
If I'm at 40%, you have a big protector in me.
You don't have a protector on the other side.
And I've said long and loud, anybody and especially over the
last few years per second any. Go back to just what what the

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caption Trump called Jewish Democrat voters fools.
As he addressed the Israel American Council summit.
Anybody who's Jewish and loves being Jewish and loves Israel is
a fool if they vote for a Democrat.
And honestly, you ought to have your heads examined.

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You ought to have your heads examined.
I'll give my final thoughts and I'll toss it over to you Sir.
If the Trump administration is out to root out rather
anti-Semitic behavior and language at a time when
incidents are on the rise, maybethey shouldn't hire full blown
racists or the very least conspiracy theories who are so
far to the deep end to help run institutions and organizations

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that help to shape policy. And I think that that's the
point of what I was trying to get at for this episode is, you
know, the lead for the Make America Healthy Again Institute,
who works directly for RFK, is working in not so many like not,
not, not in in not so many ways working for the White House
agenda. And that's a two way Rd., you

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know, and the Make America Healthy Institute is applying
pressure to policy makers and lawmakers to say, hey, you know,
we need to do this, this and this and this to make America
healthy again. Oh, and also, by the way, I
believe that 911 was conducted by the Jews.
And I believe that the the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

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is a, a historical document and that you should follow the likes
of a Mr. Rentz and go to his website and like, you know,
click around and figure these things out for yourself.
We're living in a world where these people who are at
institutions are going to to your point earlier, are going to

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upset healthy, balanced lives. They're going to put people at
risk. And also, you know, when you're
threading hate through all of your messaging, all of a sudden,
you know, you can see history turning its ugly head again.
And when you have people in Dogewho are holding on to health

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records and personal PII, personal identification
information, all of a sudden, like you have a list of people
kind of like Schindler, you knowwhat I mean?
Like in reverse, you know, and you can start to see those
things connect. At least I can.
And maybe that's my own conspiratorial thinking in this

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moment, but, you know, I, I don't know, it really bothered
me to see that there was somebody who was so closely tied
to the Trump administration, whowasn't a direct hire by Trump,
but is still like 100% behind what this motherfucker, you
know, seems to believe in by thepeople he surrounds himself

(01:08:36):
with. Absolutely.
And I, I guess my final thoughtsare there.
There's a lot of things that arein my head that are bouncing
around. So currently I'm, I'm thinking
about what's going on in Gaza and I'm thinking about this act
of war against Iran. And I'm, I'm thinking of just

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stereotypes in general, just awful things to be able to base
how you see a people and, you know, you think of the way that
people perceive the United States right now with this
administration and what the world thinks about Americans.
And we are not supporting this administration and we are not

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about anything that this administration has done and
recognizing that there's a lot of people that are, have been
protesting the streets that are anti racism, anti-Semitism.
And we have to continue to weed out this ultra nationalistic
thought that is that is going through throughout the world.

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It it's not just the United States, Italy is going through
it. France is hungry.
There's there's a lot of countries that are going through
kind of these national identity crisis.
Well, look at like, you know, inFrance and in Hungary and in
Europe and alone, like their, their main concern is, you know,

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Arabs, Arabs from the Middle East and also North Africa,
right? Like, so everyone's got their
boogeyman. Mm hmm.
Yeah. And, you know, when we continue
to have policies that and stereotypes that disenfranchise
people and we continue to cut aid and support for countries to
be able to develop and get education and get access to

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health, you're going to come up with a disenfranchised group of
people that are, are, are going to do extreme things.
And instead of creating an US versus them, it's including
everybody and trying to get everybody equal amount of access
to to, you know, the resources and support that, you know,

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individual countries can provide.
And so again, not to sound like over the top and and hippie ish,
but it's just like we have to really come back down to a
humanistic level. We'll have different religions,
we have different beliefs and things, but we have to be able
to not come up with these discussing stereotypes of people

(01:11:18):
and what they believe in when itcomes to religion and treat each
other like human beings. Yeah, yeah, it's we're really
living the Doctor King messaging, you know?
Well, in in in the thing that just kind of back to your guys's
last episode of the Juneteenth, it just really recognizing that
there's a lot of struggle that goes on throughout, you know,

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the world with, you know, withinthe United States, the African
American community, the Native American community, Asian
Hispanic communities that are coming up.
But we have to be able to support these disenfranchised
groups instead of letting this top 1% create these stereotypes

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in this boogeyman to scare everybody else, to say that the
reason things are going bad is because these immigrants are,
you know, these Jewish people are invading and they're
controlling everything. And we have to be able to see
past that stuff and see past this facade and the scare
tactics that the right has created to get white America to

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be afraid. Well, Sergio, I think that I
think that kind of brings us to to an end here.
Listeners, we want to thank you for enjoying another episode of
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week. Educate yourself bro, all I can

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manage to push from my dips is astream of absurdities.