Episode 39: Weekly Roundup - Fans & Alligator Alcatraz

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This is at the Extremes, Beloveds, welcome back to At the
Extremes, the podcast where we discuss the extremes in our
society and how we got here. As always, we are your host.
I'm Greg. And I'm Sergio.
And today we're going to be chatting about the week that
was. Before we get into it, Sergio

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Serge Linings. So I got a great silver lining
as I don't know anything about the, the week that was I was, I
was on vacation and up in Charlestown, RI, enjoying the
salt pond, being out in, in nature, spending time with
family and it was just glorious.And I, you know, I got on my

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phone a little bit, but I, I didnot read a lot of the news that
was going on. And as soon as I woke up this
morning and I just read all these horrible headlines about.
Back to Dave scrolling. Massive floods that, you know,
in Texas and the things that we're going to talk about later
that I wasn't really attuned to except for knowing about the.

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The Big Beautiful. Yeah, that was that was a little
bit of a discussion, but yeah, it was great.
It was just a really nice week of just being out on the water,
getting a little a little tan. I can see your Guatemalans
coming back. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a little,
I'm a little bronzed, but drinking some good beer.

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So, you know, went out to Long live Brewery and in covenants.
Yeah, brought you back some treats.
So, so yeah, silver lining was just being able to spend time,
you know, away from from Maryland.
Hell yeah, dude, good for you. It's it's nice to unplug like
that, you know? It sure is.
Speaking of which, we unplugged a little bit over the weekend.

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We did a salt spa treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And what are you talking about here?
We did like a nice little spa, little meditation inside of it.
So good. So what what?
What are the details of a salt spa?
What? What do you do?
You hang out in water. They throw salt on you.
Yeah, it's they're just pelting you, though.

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It's what they do is they take rock salt, they put it.
In non lethal. They're just shooting you with
it. Just.
Got all these little salt welds all.
Over your your body. Yeah, yeah, it's actually it's
just you running back and forth and them shooting a salt rock
salt like a paintball. Ow, ow, this is relaxing.
Ow, now breathe deep. No, so we, we, you know, you go

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into the spa thing, the sauna ismore, more or less a traditional
sauna, but the salt like red light therapy and all that other
stuff. It's got like salt infused like
air that's circulating the, the salt and the Himalayan salt and
all this other stuff. I don't know that I believe in
like the restorative effects of rock salt being in the air, but

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I do believe in the restorative effects of relaxing.
And so whatever opportunity we can take to do that, I'd love to
do that. So that was really nice.
And then after that we went out to dinner and down downtown in
not downtown, but in Parkville. Little shout out to Silver Queen
Cafe. Silver Queen?

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Yeah. Heck yeah.
And then my buddy turned 40 thispast week, so I went over to his
place for like an hour and a half, caught up with him a
little bit. It was nice to, you know, catch
up a little bit and then also, you know, make my exit before,
you know, the real partying began.
So, but it was good. It was really good to catch up
with him, his family. It was good to see his mom, his

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dad. I haven't seen him in a minute,
so. But yeah, man, it was, it was,
it was a solid weekend. And you know, we got, we did the
4th down in Baltimore, saw some friends there.
So things were good. Awesome, all things considered.
Yeah. Great man.
And and so for the Back to the Salt spa, do you feel any like,

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does your skin feel different? Does does or is it just like the
experience just make you feel more relaxed?
Yeah, it's pretty. I can't speak for anybody else,
but I know for me it's more of just like a, I can intentionally
relax, you know, it's like an intentional thing versus like
having to force, you know, the, the moment and like, you know,
go around, turn all the lights off and get the dogs away and

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all the shit. So, you know, it's just a, a
nice space to be able to do thatconcentrated relaxation.
So yeah, we also did some stand up paddle boarding too.
We went down. Sopping.
Yeah, where? Where our wives typically go
sopping we we went down there and did a little, little launch
and took the took some music played Counting Crows and

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hooting the. Getting ready for Thursday.
Oh yeah, we're getting, we're getting wired.
Mr. Jones and me. Some future, but no anyway,
yeah. So yeah, I think that was that's
that was it for me though, man, it was a it's been a really
good. Weekend that sounds that sounds
like a a really, really productive and relaxing weekend

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it. Was good.
It was really good. But I think with those Silver
Linings out of the way, why don't we go ahead and take a
real quick break? And get into some doom and
gloom. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think we're going to bring this down a notch so.
No good vibes here. When we come back, we'll talk.
Douche can do. We are back in Sergio.

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I know that you weren't. I know.
Well, I know that you had written a couple of douche
canoes some time back and you know, with you being away, do
you have one available for us? I do.
Let's have it then. Yeah, and it's not going to be
one of the typical kind of douche canoes that we've done in
the past where it's kind of a singular person, but we are

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going to lump a a group of people as douches.
And today we're going to be talking about abusive sports
fans. Oh.
OK, let's have it then. I I mean, I can be one of them
if you want me to. I've always been in a very
abusive sports fan. Particular types of people,
yeah. OK, so this is the kind of the
banter I wanted to get into. So what is it with you, with

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sporting that that gets you to that zone?
Well, their mothers and their fathers should have dumped them
into a toilet when they were a child.
I, if you no, let me, let me come back and be, be real here.
I I, I, I enjoy just the competitiveness of sport And

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whenever there's any opportunityto kind of like, you know, jab
at somebody, you know, and, and just have fun with it, I always
try to take that opportunity. And, and especially if you're a
Tottenham fan. Absolutely.
But yeah, that's about, well, I mean, that's really it for me.
It's not about like wanting to hurt somebody as much as it is
just like your team shit, you know, they're shit.

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Yeah. And that's it.
And there's a difference, I think, between that kind of
attitude of, you know, poking back and forth with friends or
maybe even somebody at the stadium, then kind of going to
the extremes. So when it comes to sports, one
of the things that's really exciting is that you have the
highs and lows of sports. You have the most crushing
defeats, you know, when your team just chokes.

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And then you have the amazing moments.
And one of the the the moments Iloved being a fan and I wish I
would have been there with you. But when Declan Rice kicked
those free kicks against Real Madrid and just how exciting
that was. It it really there is, I think
one of the things so a lot of people who don't appreciate the

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sport of soccer, I think they don't understand the just how
hard it is to put a tiny little ball into a really big net.
And when you get an opportunity to do that and you miss, it's
crushing. But when you put that little
ball into that big old net at the the way he did.

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Well, but it's not even like thelittle ball in a huge net, but
it's also curving it around 9 or10 tall players the.
Technique to be able to put it in.
And jumping and and trying to navigate that is awesome.
And then we experienced what happened against PSG, where, you
know it, it didn't go our way. The PSG was just better than we
were and it sucked. I remember there's a game and I

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think you're going to try to. I think.
I think we're since we're talking about extreme sports
fans, there was a match between Tottenham and Arsenal where
Aaron Ramsdale was giving it to the Tottenham supporters.
And he was because we beat them at at their stadium.
And so he's giving it to them like, you know, you know, waving
by to them as they're leaving the stadium stairs or whatever.

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And at the end of the match, oneof the Tottenham players comes
over and like chest bumps Ramsdale and then a fan jumps
out of their seat and goes to kick him as he's going to like
go grab his talent stuff. And it's like, OK, there's one
that there's something about like you that's not OK here.
Like, just relax. It's only football.

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And, and I think that's, that's where we take it back to it's
that this is a sport where we love and we love supporting our,
our, our different clubs or teams.
But then we get this almost entitlement of fans that since
these players are making millions and millions of dollars
and I paid you know, however much to get this ticket, that I

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can say and act however I want to.
Yeah, they did that, but like inthe NBA too.
I mean granted I feel like I should be able to fire any one
of the Tottenham players houses but.
But yeah, so we, so some places,we'll we'll take it to the
United States. Some places are very well known
for their abusive hands. Great.

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Yes, Boston, Boston, Boston is one of the most racist cities.
And the thing that I think for me that's so interesting about
that is that Boston touts these Ivy League universities and the
Super progressive city, but yet their sports fans are horrible
in in the way that they treat, you know, black players,

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especially in basketball and in baseball and stuff like that.
In any in any walk of life as itturns.
Exactly. There's just notoriously just a
really, really difficult place for people of color to to play.
And if you're not on their team,yeah, absolutely.
Maybe if you are on their team. I'm sure they would would cheer
against them as well. Exactly.

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But so we're going to just kind of go on to two incidences that
happened in in the last couple weeks that kind of caught my
eye. And it just it makes me mad
because again, I like I'm all about supporting the team, but
I'm not into going and crossing the line and saying really
fucking disrespectful shit. So there is a 22 year old that

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was banned at Arizona, Arizona Diamondbacks game when he
started taunting Kittel Marte late mother.
So he was playing in, in, in second base or whatever and some

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some fan was shouting out about his his mom who died in a car
accident. And so Marte was so upset that
he started crying at second base.
And there is, I think I put a clip to it and I don't, you
know, I wonder if we can just hear the commentator.
But but it is pretty horrifying to see this, you know, somebody

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just so visibly upset and talking about somebody's dead
mother. Welcome back to Chicago.
This is from the previous pitching change.
Tory Lavello with Katel Marte intears on the pitcher's mound
waiting for the reliever to comein, consoling Katel Marte, who
was in tears. Katel Marte in tears, kneeling

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down behind second base, being consoled by his teammates.
Now we can only speculate as to what bad news that Katel has
received, but he was very emotional out there.
So we we have that and that's disgusting to see somebody, you
know, talking about somebody's dead relative.
And I think thankfully that fan has been banned for I mean, I

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can call him a fan because a fandoesn't do something like that.
That's the what? Just somebody that's really,
really sucks or something like that.
Abuse at A at a level that no person deserves at all.
I mean, maybe some people have in the past, but you know,
Hitler will probably, you know, falls into that category.

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But you know, like I don't. I mean, I remember like when
people when Darryl Strawberry was in the league and like the
whole thing was like, you would just chant Daryl like, or Daryl,
you're a bum, right? Like that was like, that's as
far as it ever went. I mean, I've heckled.
Probably not in Boston, though. No, definitely not.

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I've heckled referees before andlike talked about like, you
know, their moms and stuff, but like, but like, but like being
like your mom's so fat that she needs a, you know, a boomerang
to get her belt on or something like that.
Nothing like, hey, I'm glad yourmom died in a fiery car
accident. Like that's just, that's over
the line. Yeah, and it it there's so many

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different incidences that we could talk about just another
one in baseball, a player, JaronDurian was disclosed struggles
that he had. I think he actually was a Boston
player that he had struggling with mental health issues and
had suicidal, had attempted a suicide and and then you had

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players or not players, but you had fans saying stuff to him
where he went over and confronted them.
I mean, could you imagine like you're, you're out there to, I
mean, yes, your, your, your job is to play a game, but you're a
human being. You deserve to be treated with
some level of dignity. Well, and then we also talk
about just, you know, especiallywe, we talk about men and our

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abilities to, to talk about mental health struggles.
And then when you do, you get called like a pussy or you get
called soft or whatever, like, or people make a joke out of it
when it's not a joke. Because this guy was at such a
point where he was contemplatingtaking his own life.
Yeah, like where do you have to go in your mind as a quote,

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sports fan to take it to that? Level to take it to that level
exactly and and the last but notleast it it's one of many
incidences that always occurs and it's pretty disgraceful and
it's it's it's your favorite sport that is one of the biggest
culprits of racist taunts that that.
This had to be in Italy though. Yeah.

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It's always in Italy, it's always in.
Italy, Italy or Spain there, there.
There's stuff that happens there.
But it was a goalkeeper. Mike, Megan.
I think that's how I think that's how his last name is
pronounced, yeah. But he he was a goalie for for
his team and people started throwing bananas on the field

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and making racist, racist chance.
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of like, like they definitely like
make monkey noises at black players in Italy all the time.
Mario Bellatelli Bellatelli, he,he got a lot of abuse big time.
And being an Italian, you'd think that that, but that's not

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a that's not a thing in Italy. Yeah, they're Italy is
definitely them and the Russiansand and well, the Israeli Soccer
League is. Yeah, I've heard it's really,
really not good either. Racist there.
So yeah, there. It's it's, you know, I think the
one thing about sport that is, Imean, I love sport for all the

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good reasons about team building, about competitive
nature, like my own competitive nature and like it allowing for
people to have. Discipline.
Health. Yeah, all the good things about
sports and being on a team. And you know, there's also like
the the mind game side of it when you're on the field and
you're able to you know, you're you're getting in their in their

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head talking like talking shit about like, yeah, well, next
time watch out. I'm coming for you, 12, I'm
coming for you, whatever. But like, it, it's never gone to
a point where like there are racial taunts, yeah, or any of
that happening. And like, I just don't see.
Or talking about your, your, your mental health stuff.
Talking about your, your skin color, whether you're gay or

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straight. Yeah.
It's it makes no sense to me. I mean, it, it does make total
sense because that's what fans get to the point where a, the
amount of alcohol that they're served in stadiums.
I think is, is, is a reason. And I think one of the other
things is sports betting, I think has made a huge impact in
the way that athletes are treated.

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And there was an instance of thestory that I saw.
I don't remember what player it was, but it was a pitcher who
was getting death threats for him and his family because he
didn't, like, strike out a certain amount of people.
Yeah. Or another guy that and this
other guy who was was boasting about like heckling somebody
during a women's track event because he won $100,000 on, you

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know, whatever. And so.
So stupid. But it's but it's just this
mindset is that you have I paid this money and you fuck you,
you're rich. You know, I can do whatever I
want. It's, it's like somehow taking
fantasy sports and taking it even further.
Like that's how it feels like atleast.
Absolutely, and it's just it's this entitlement that these fans

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have that they can go beyond, you know, normal and I, I guess
normal I use in air quotations because we all have different
versions of what normal is and and what what isn't normal.
But crossing that line of, you know, being a good fan for the
home team and being a total Dick.
Yeah, no, I mean, look, come come this fall, come October,

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I'm going to be screaming in thein the garage.
But screaming at your TV is fineand saying terrible things to
screen right where you know onlyyour neighbors can hear.
But fuck your neighbors. Yeah, yeah, they're going to be
calling many players and wishingdeath upon their family and that
a lot would rain down fire on them.
And yeah, but I would never do that in a stadium.

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No or. Privacy in my home.
Exactly. And but I think The thing is
with that though is that's different is that you wouldn't
take it to that level of, of, of, of doing something like
that. So yeah, that's my douche canoe
is just sports fans, abusive sports fans, I should say.
Sure, sure. And you know from us here just.
Call it. Just call it the entire city of

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Philadelphia, Yeah. Well, I I've got some homies
from Philly, so I'm not going toI'll.
Trash you about it and we can and they what they want to come
down here and and talk some shitkidding Philadelphia horn I do
like I do like Philly. Philly's a good town.
They. Do have the worst sports fan
and, and I think most of them would even admit to it.
Yeah, they're the worst sports fans in the country.
If you throw fucking snowballs with rocks at Santa, your city

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is pretty shit. You know, that's fair.
Yeah, yeah, it is. But what the douche can do out
of the way. Let's go ahead and take a real
quick drinks break. When we come back, we're going
to talk about one of the craziermembers of the MAGA world, Laura
Loomer. The Loom star.
She got loomered. Loomer.

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We are back, Sergio. I like it.
I like that. Let's talk about a a woman the
Spectator describes as a young woman from the Arizona suburbs
who's ripped a hole through the Internet and fallen right
through it. She is.

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Wow, that's a great description.She is.
She is a fully baked conspiracy theorist, but let's Orient the
listeners with who she is. She was born in 1993 in Sun
Baked, Tucson, AZ. College A sleepy college town.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's got two brothers, one mom
who did not raise her very well,apparently, and a dad who she

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spent most of her time with. And that's really all I know
about her youths. And I don't really care to know
anything more about her youth because she's a psychopath.
I just assume that anyone out ofTucson, AZ is coming out crazy
so. Hell yeah.
But Laura Loomer has been a quasi journalist on the fringe
right for about a decade with a terrible habit of saying for

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saying things that make even themost hardened MAGA types recoil.
So the question with that, with quasi journalist, are we saying
that actually has taken journalism classes or is just
somebody that posts things on social media?
So she is a poster for sure, butshe also took journalism classes

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at the two colleges that she dropped out of.
Cool. So she's, you know, got some
experience in what it like, I guess on paper what it's
supposed to look like. But she is not anything close to
a journalist, I'd say. But you know, Quasi, you know,
you got to give her a little bitof credit for.
She's got notions of journalism.Yes, yeah, I've got the notions

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of what journalism looks like. She is a self-described proud
Islamophobe who has been cheering on the deaths of
migrants and called for Muslims to be banned from driving for
all Ride Hill applications. Like you know your.
Rideshare. Uber.
Yeah, all. Those things she ran for
Congress twice in 2020 and 2022 and lost both times.

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Had a little bit of success though in 2022 when she ran for
Congress in the county that mar a Lago's in.
So there you go. There's a little bit she she won
the Republican primary there andended up losing.
In Arizona or in? Florida, Florida.
So yeah. So she, she ran there in Florida

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twice. That's where she.
How was this going to say like, oh she didn't win in Arizona,
Why didn't she fucking go to Florida?
Oops. Yeah, yeah, you'd think they
haven't gone. While they are crazy as shit in
Florida, they haven't gotten that far yet.
So Laura Loomer, this is what actually got her into some
trouble with the MAGA heart. Like the the most like MAGA of

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MAGA party members. Loomer has called Kamala Harris
a drug using prostitute and warned that if she had won in
the White House, the White Housewould smell like Curry and the
White House speeches would be facilitated via call center.
That's pretty racist. She is very racist.
Before being folded into the Magaverse, Loomer became known

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for being a conspiracy nut, and she still is, featuring
prominently on shows like Alex Jones's Infowars.
It's a. Game.
In 2018, Loomer teamed up with Infowars to cover the mass
shootings of the majority Stoneman Douglas High School in
Parkland, FL. She had suggested in a tweet

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that the students were speaking out against gun violence were
plants. It's obvious these kids quote.
It's obvious these kids were reading from a screen or notes
someone had written for them. So crisis actor again being as a
conspiracy theory being told trolled on the Internet through
the infowars.com site. In May 2018, after school

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shooting in Santa Fe, TX, Loomerwent even further, suggesting in
a tweet that the entire thing was staged.
She wrote. Quote, the doctor speaking to
media outside of the hospital inSanta Fe, TX where victims of a
school shooting were taken todaysay they had just had a mass
casualty drill at the hospital around the same time of the
school drill. Quote I'm sorry, but I can't

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help but notice these coincidences.
Cool, I, I, it's I there's a special place for people that
tweet about crisis actors duringmass shooting events, especially
when it comes with and I guess any mass shooting, but even with

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with children is just I, I couldn't even imagine having
just the gall to do something like that.
It is, it is insane. Isn't she also too?
Wasn't she known? Didn't she like chain herself to
Twitter? Ever get to that?
But. Yeah, Yeah, you're absolutely
right. She is a she is.

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If there's one thing that Loomeris really good about, it's
getting eyes on her and making the story about her.
And there are a bunch of pieces that I read about Laura where
the entire, her entire strategy is to change the narrative so
that you're talking about her versus the thing that she's
talking about. Sounds very Trump like.

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Yeah, but here is Laura Loomer pushing one of JD Vance's
favorite conspiracies, The GreatReplacement.
I would also, I was just going to say, I don't think that we
can overlook the fact that this is being done in an election
year as well, because what's happening is you're having an

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invasion, OK? They're trying to replace the
population. The the great replacement is not
some conspiracy theory like the left wing media wants it to be.
They say that it's some kind of white supremacist conspiracy
theory. And as we know, it's very real.
We are being replaced in this country by third world invaders,
criminal illegal alien invaders.And unfortunately, what's
happening is when these illegalsare coming to places like Texas,

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you have governors like GovernorAbbott who are then putting them
on buses. And I, I had, you know, one of
my followers on X sent me a video that they filmed of a bus
of these illegals with Texas plates getting dropped off at a
train station just outside of Chicago.
Why does that matter? Well, people may think, oh, it's
all fun and games, you know, ha,ha, ha.
Give these Democrats a taste of their own medicine by shipping

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them to sanctuary cities. But these are cities where they
give Eagles driver's licenses, and so these people are going to
have IDs and what's going to stop them?
Not that we really have voter IDin this country anyway, but
what's going to stop these people from voting in our
elections? There's a lot of problems there
because the illegals, illegals, Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, I know. I take what you mean though.
People, immigrants are not people that are undocumented in
the United States are not voting.
No, they can't. They can't.
They're not U.S. citizens. And just because you have a
driver's license or an identification doesn't mean that
you can automatically vote. Yeah, no, in fact, Laura Loomer

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at some point in time in, in a, in an effort to get like gain
some publicity and again, she's all about getting the attention
on herself. She went to a voting place, a
voting poll booth in New York and she tried to, she went in
wearing a hijab and tried to present herself as Huma Abedin

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to vote illegally on behalf of her.
So like if she was just to extend like the the logic that
that like was shown in that moment of no, you can't vote for
somebody who's already voted andyou don't have the right ID,
like you would just take that logical next step.
Yeah. And it's been known that these

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have been the most secure elections, the last two
elections that we have the. Only people who try to vote
twice are Republicans. It's like.
In different states. Been shown it's not the left,
it's not brown people who don't have access to voting.
And, and Fox settled those lawsuits that with Dominion that

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showed that if you know that it was true and that they were
defaming Dominion and and all that so.
Yeah, no, it's, it's a, it's a nut.
It's a it's a nightmare scenariowith Laura and you're probably
wondering why are we even talking about this bat shit
crazy asshole. It just, it blows my mind
because all you have to do in inthis day and age is you just

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have to say the craziest, most outlandish shit and you can run
with it and you don't have to back up anything that you say.
No, not at all. And one of the reasons why we're
talking about her is because sheentered the chat this week on
the Alligator Alcatraz thing that we're going to talk about
here in a second. I didn't.
Know what that was? Where she said alligator lives

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matter. The good news is alligators are
now guaranteed to at least 65,000,000 meals if we get
started now and Alligator Alcatraz.
That is so fucking disgusting it.
Is so gross. Like I I giggle there because
there's no other way for me to process that other than to just

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laugh through the pain. Well, and, and The thing is that
the stats say that when it comesto and well, look at me, I'm
just saying stuff now without the, the information right in
front of me, but that I think it's less than like 5% of the
people have any kind of criminalrecords that are, that are
getting deported right now. Yeah, yeah.

(30:25):
So we're deporting people that have been here for years, that
have been working, that have brought their families here,
that have been paying into system, not getting any kind of
benefit. And you're, you're going to say,
Oh yeah, fuck them. They they're they're, they're
alligator food. They are one of the one of the

(30:49):
tweets that I saw quoted on BlueSky about this was like this
basically seem like masks off. It was never about illegals.
It's just about brown people. Get them out or make them
alligator food or whatever. Well, and you see that right now
when it comes to Trump just sending TPS for Haitian Haitians

(31:10):
and so far listeners. We've been eating dogs and cats
so. Wow.
And so. Don't you know?
Yeah. They're eating them all.
They're eating the dogs. But you know, TPS temporary
protective status, so it's afterthe earthquake that happened and
killed 100,000 people or something like that.
And a lot of people had to flee.And now currently where 85% of

(31:32):
Port-au-Prince is being run by like armed militias and gangs.
And there's been like 9 to 10,000 people killed since that
September of last year. And then you're going to force
force people to go back to thesekind of conditions.
But this week, we brought it up.Trump visited Alligator Alcatraz
in Florida, a new detention center that Ron Meatball de

(31:56):
Santis is building. Meatball Ron in Central Florida.
Ron de Sanctimonious land, so beautiful and so secure.
They have a lot of bodyguards and a lot of cops that are in
the form of alligators. You don't have to pay them so
much, but I wouldn't want to runthrough the.
I take issue well keep people. Where they're supposed to be a

(32:19):
lot of. Well, that's first and foremost.
And Greg is doing his Trump hands right now while.
He I take great issue, great umbrage with that word umbrage,
great word umbrellas love an umbrella many umbrella I no, I
so I take I take great issue with that for a lot of reasons.
1 the inhumanity of it all right, The fact that the state

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of Florida is using state funds to do the like to essentially
build out another gulag in the United States.
But also on top of that, you know, it it, it brings up a lot
of deep seated historical narratives about black folks,

(33:12):
you know, on the run trying to get out of slavery, trying to
get out of terrible conditions. Get the hounds.
Yep, Just give them. Get the alligators.
Who gives a shit? The pythons will get them.
The alligators will get them. They're not.
They're not going to get far, right?
So it gives you a look. It makes it.
It just feels very, very familiar in this, in that way.

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But I want to quote the Florida Attorney General, James Utmar
from NPR. This 30 square mile area is
completely surrounded by the Everglades.
It presents an efficient, low cost opportunity to build a
temporary detention facility because you don't need to invest
that much in the perimeter. If people get out, there's not
much waiting for them out there than other alligators and

(33:57):
pythons. The setup will mostly involve
heavy duty tent and trailer facilities, he added.
We don't need to build a lot of brick and mortar.
It will be temporary and thankfully, Mother Nature does a
lot on the perimeter. We'll have a little bit of
additions needed, but there's really nowhere to go if you're
housed there, if you're detainedthere, there's no way in.
There's no way out. And that sounding alarm bells

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for some immigration advocates like Alex Howard, a former DHS
spokesperson under former President Joe Biden and a
Florida native Floridian. He called the project De Santis
Little Guantanamo in the swamp and a grotesque mix of cruelty
and political theater. You don't solve immigration by
disappearing people into tents guarded by Gators, he told NPR.

(34:43):
You solve it with lawful processing like humanitarian
parole, temporary protected status like you brought up
earlier, humane infrastructure and actual policy, not staging a
$450 million stunt in the middleof hurricane season.
So that's another thing that isn't being talked about.
Hurricane Alley runs right through Central Florida.

(35:07):
So what happens to these people who are going to be in soft
tents in the middle of the fucking?
Everglades. In hurricane season, so now
you're talking about, well, you don't need to leave the
perimeter to have alligators. They're going to be in these
tents when those areas eventually flood.
During those times, and as global warming's getting worse,

(35:30):
it's just really, what do you like?
What do you, what do you even like?
The there's just the lack of humanity about it is just really
upsetting at this point. Absolutely.
And it's a lack of humanity. It's so no brick and mortar.
So there's not going to be any air conditioning and there's not
going to be. It's going to be out in the

(35:51):
middle of the swamp. Is there going to be toilets or
are you just going to be taking a dump In, in in, in there?
You dig a hole. You dig a hole and watch out for
the tarantulas or you know, whatever the Bayou monsters that
are that are out there. Bayou monsters.
That's great. I mean, I guess it's something
by you that's that's more Louisiana, but still swamp.

(36:14):
That's great Swamp Thing. The swamp thing, but it but it
just also too. And then what we're ending up
doing is that we're even if if immigrants are are undocumented,
folks are going they're getting snatched up by ICE to their
appointments. And then there's threat that
they're going to be set off to like South Sudan, to Libya, to

(36:34):
places that they don't come from.
Yeah, well, it's funny that you bring that up because the
Supreme Court this week cleared the runway for Trump, literally
and figuratively, to set up another global gulag location
for ICE deportees. And this comes from more
excellent reporting from Nick Turse at the Intersect.
He says this the Supreme Court on Thursday granted a request by

(36:55):
the Trump administration to sendeight men who spent more than a
month imprisoned on the US military base in Djibouti to war
ravaged South Sudan. the United States quote, the United States
may not deport non citizens to acountry where they are likely to
be tortured or killed. International and domestic law
guarantee that basic human right.

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That's what so does some Sotomayor wrote in her
dissenting opinion on this case.In this case, the government
seeks to nullify it by deportingnon citizens to potentially
dangerous countries without notice or the opportunity to
assert a fear of torture. And just this spring, the United
Nations began warning about a potential full scale civil war

(37:38):
to erupt in South Sudan. The State Department, our own
State Department, issued a level4 do not travel advisory for the
East African country in March and ordered departure of
non-emergency U.S. government personnel due to continued
security threats in South Sudan.Morning Americans do not travel
to South Sudan due to crime, kidnapping and armed conflict.

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And you're going to send these eight men?
Only one of them is Sudanese, bythe way, and you're going to
send these people there because they were in the country
illegally? And we don't even know what
they're were you have picked up for.
And the thing that is just goingto end up happening is that
these individuals are just goingto be sold into, they're going
to be abused and they're going to be sold into some kind of

(38:22):
slavery. Yeah.
If, if, if they are alive, yeah.What the government wants to do
concretely is send the 8 non citizens illegally removed from
the United States from Djibouti to South Sudan.
Well, they will be turned over for to the local authorities
with that regard for the likelihood that they will face

(38:42):
torture or death. Today's order clarifies one
thing only. Other litigants must follow the
rules, but the administration has the Supreme Court on speed
dial. The Supreme Court's ruling
rewards the government's lawlessness by violating the
injunction and delaying implementation of the due
prosperous due process protections that district courts

(39:04):
have ordered as a remedy for those violations.
It's only going to embolden the government to further violate
court's orders that go against the government.
And I think what that what that last sentence there, all it
tells me is they have the the Supreme Court's rolled over.

(39:27):
Like. Fully at this point.
I rolled over or is just drooling at the bit to just be
able to, you know, embolden Donald Trump.
Those are his people, man. But.
What's the difference between rolling over and just being, you
know, so eager to let him do what he wants?
Well, I. Feel like when it comes to

(39:48):
rolling over, Congress is rolling over because it's giving
away all their power. And I think when it comes to the
Supreme Court, the Supreme Court, by stopping, allowing
lower courts to stop nationwide injunctions, is showing disdain
for the lower courts by making everything just be about the

(40:10):
Supreme Court and what they decide to do and say.
You don't have the authority, you're not the Supreme Court.
We're the Supreme Court. So we say, what goes and doesn't
go. So.
So at that point, why even have those courts?
Yeah, they can't say anything. So we can work around everything
now. I mean, Congress has by far

(40:30):
given up all all of those boot lickers have have.
And I will be very interested tosee if we have midterms, what
what happens when, when it comesto the big beautiful bill.
You know, I can, we get into that for a, for a minute because
you know, I'm not, I'm not a, a finance person.

(40:51):
I'm not somebody who is very well versed in economics at all.
So like, I don't have a, an opinion that matters at all or
one that I'm educated about at least, right.
But when you're talking about, you know, the removal of 10s of
millions of folks off of healthcare insurance, removing

(41:12):
SNAP benefits for people who need it, reducing, you know,
unemployment insurance for, for states, you know?
Stopping all the energy credit taxes for solar companies, wind
companies, because you're in thepockets of the coal and fossil

(41:35):
fuel companies. Yeah, yeah.
I mean. And you're adding to the to the
deficit, trillions and trillionsof dollars.
This is one of the worst piece of legislation I think that has
has ever come out because not only.
Certainly in our lifetime. Absolutely.
And not only are we adding all, all the deficit Hawks that were

(41:55):
like, oh, we're not raising the debt ceiling.
They bent over, they bent, they they took it.
And they're going to have a lot of people in their communities
that lose their healthcare benefits or get paperworked out
of it to the point where we'll see if they they get voted back
in, if they're loyalty. I mean more and more, this

(42:16):
isn't. This is a cult.
When, when do these tax cuts? I mean, because that's what it
is. It's a tax cut bill, right For.
For the ultra rich. Right.
So when do those when does that?Like when is that lapse then?
Is it like a Because if I remember reading it correctly,
like the taxol and tips thing isliterally it ends the day his

(42:37):
administration's over. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know the insurance and outs of the bill,
but know how long it's supposed to last.
But I think it's staggered when all the stuff is is implemented
out. But I think it's one of the
biggest, adding to the deficit while cutting all these Social
Security programs that we have. Because it's 5 trillion to the

(42:58):
deficit, right? Is that if I remember reading
that correctly? Something like that, but it's
also going to boot 17 million people off health insurance.
It's, it's, you know, for Medicaid and Medicare.
Yeah, yeah. And you don't want to piss old
people off with with with that stuff because they're the ones
that vote. And, and you know, the thing

(43:18):
that it really frustrates me, you know, you got all these cuts
that have come to, you know, Noah and, and the weather
services. And then you see these not, not
that the cuts were going to directly impact the amount of
flooding that just happened in Texas, But you don't get a
warning like, but you know what like, and this is like, and this

(43:43):
is the part that I'm having a really, really difficult time
with And, and maybe we can talk about this a little bit.
Therapy time with Greg. The the part that I'm having a
difficulty with right now is youhave been voting for generations
against environmental policy, against common sense budget

(44:10):
funding through the politicians that you have put into office.
And now the chickens have come home to roost.
I, I, the human part of me wantsto feel feet, not wants to, but
does feel empathy about like little children who got washed
away and who are like in all likelihood dead.

(44:34):
The old people who, you know, are sitting on top of their
rooftops and or whatever, right.Then I think about like the way
that those people talked about and the way that they called
like New Orleans, like a, a jungle after Katrina because of
all the black people who were ontheir roofs.
And so like my natural, maybe myneed and desire for vindication

(45:01):
and some kind of vengeance, theysay, well, fuck them.
But then there's the part of me that goes if if I'm going to
drink the kool-aid that I'm selling, which is we have to be
like motivated to help people. And we have to be in a spot
where regardless of what you've done and what you've said, like

(45:25):
people have to have an opportunity to be able to redeem
themselves that like that part of me still exists too.
But but I'm also going, well, you fucking just voted for this.
You literally just voted for it.And so like how do you balance
those, those scales? And I think it's really
difficult because it's really easy to to paint just a big

(45:47):
picture of everybody that voted for this administration and kind
of what their needs were and howthey posed it.
And I think that you you have people that are anti abortion.
You had people that thought thatwe need to get, you know,
immigration reform done and taken care of.
We need to get not involved in forever wars in the Middle East.

(46:12):
And and I think the for me, whatI was observed is that it
doesn't really like taking it back to Laura Loomer is like who
gives a they don't give a shit. They will say whatever the fuck
that they want to and they will lie straight to your face and
say, yeah, I didn't say that. Yeah, yeah, the fordo they they
have no more. Nuclear capability.

(46:36):
Nuclear capability now, yeah. Yeah, Well, that's not.
True. You gave them, but I'm telling
you, Yeah, but they moved their equipment, so you you shot
yourself in the foot. But no.
And Trump's the only one that's saying it.
Other people are not. But he will say that to your
face. Yeah, yeah.
And and I think everybody has their reasons why.

(46:57):
And hopefully more and more as stuff starts to unfold, it's
going to come at at at huge cost.
I was just listening. I was going to say the horses
out at the fucking barn, like thank, thank you for coming to
your like to a realization now that the.
The world is coming to an end. And billionaires are richer than

(47:17):
they've ever been, and you're you are now poorer as a result.
And you don't have health insurance.
And all the programs that you have paid into your entire life
no longer exist because your racism got in the way of you
making a an informed decision. Like that's like where my mind
is now. And everybody has to learn one

(47:38):
way or the other. Why?
Like, Oh my, it's, it's so frustrating because like, I want
to be able to take a victory lapand be like, we fucking told
you. Told you so.
Told you so. Right.
Like I, I feel like I want to beable to take a victory lap in
these moments, but like, it's anexistential crisis that we're
about to walk like. We're already in an existential
crisis. I mean, it's it's a humanistic

(48:01):
crisis. I mean, I, I, I just was hearing
now that with USAID is pretty much done done.
Oh yeah. And that they're saying that up
what in 2000 or 2030 or whatever, there's estimating
1415 million people are going tobe dead because they're not
going to get the services that the US prevent.

(48:22):
Mostly a lot of them are going to be children under 5.
And that's because we want to bemore efficient and and cut
programs. And what have whatever efficient
looks like in those moments. Exactly.
And you know, the Elon Musk, he is not a big fan of this bill,
but it's. Only because he didn't get the

(48:42):
EV credit. That's the only reason why.
Fuck that guy. And we're also going to, but
we're also setting ourselves back because with the, the clean
energy infrastructure, things with the windmills, the EV cars
and stuff like that, we're, we're not going to be at the
table the, the rest of the worldis going to be way ahead of us.

(49:04):
So we're only setting ourselves back.
The richest 1% is going to get richer and everybody else is
going to work as a country goingto be in a in a lot worse space
in in 3 1/2 years. Yeah, I, I definitely agree with
that. And one of the other things I
was looking at over the weekend,or during the week rather, was
the the AI funding within the bill.

(49:26):
Yes. And.
You need power for that. A lot of it.
A lot of power, yeah. And the one of the I was looking
at a futurist, he like wrote a column and then he did an
interview on I think it was the New York Times or something like
that. They were talking about his

(49:46):
prediction that he wrote about 2027 about like how that's going
to be like the tipping point. And so like in two years time,
especially with the funding that's just being rolled out to
help power this thing, you've got the the Peter Teals of the
world who are calling for the end of humanity through AI.

(50:07):
And I'll post a his entire dialogue that he had on a New
York Times interview about it. I've actually, I think it's sent
it over to you as well. But like he's calling for the
end of the world for humans through AI.
You've got all these futurists for going, hey guys, like like
this is coming and this is coming.
Like I was reading something about, I forget what CEO it was,

(50:29):
but he was saying like 51% of all white collar jobs are going
to be eliminated by the by the year 2030 because of AI.
And you know, companies are going to be fucking rich beyond
belief. Governments are going to be
wealthier beyond belief. And then they're going to start
talk like they were talking about like this, you know, the
idea that Democrats have been pushing around for a little bit,

(50:52):
which is the universal basic income.
And now they'll be able to say, well, hey, like, this is like
the techno fascist feudalism that we've been looking for.
And here's your basic income of,you know, $500 a month or
whatever it is. There's a lot of really scary
shit that's packed into this bill that even the likes of
Marjorie Taylor Green, who said I don't know what I actually
voted for. I didn't read it.

(51:12):
And it's like, dude, what are wedoing?
But. What are we doing?
It's, it's a really hard thing to grasp, especially for me when
it comes to Congress and especially the Republican side
of Congress, when you have Murkowski and you have these,

(51:33):
you know, moderate Republicans that continue to just fuck
things up. She was the, the, the, the
casting vote, her ballot was the, the one that pushed it over
the edge. And when like a reporter, like
confronted her afterwards was like, hey, was that a, is that a
good bill? She's like, like stared at him
for like 15 seconds, like, how do I answer this question?

(51:55):
How do I make it so that I don'tlook like a complete like chud
to the president while also trying to play to my state?
And she was like, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm voting in the interest of
Alaskans. It's like, no, you're not.
You're really not. Well, she's voting in fear
because she doesn't want to loseher position and.

(52:15):
Fucking states like New York andCalifornia carry Alaska like
it's not. You're not voting to protect
Alaskans. No, you're voting to hurt blue
states. Yeah, I don't have to keep your
job because you don't want to give up power.
Yeah, you had a seat at the table.
Well, I'll get my final thoughts, and then I'll toss it

(52:35):
over you to finish that. Yeah.
So it feels just like to me right now, the United States is
filled and being led by conspiracy theorists with direct
contact to the White House. Hate mongers are designing
terrifying ways of whipping up anti immigration hate across our
country. Budgets are being passed to make
immigration dragnet even more aggressive and even wider.

(52:58):
And it and the left seems to have zero power and slowing it
down. But I'd like to also recognize
another moment in our history today as we close the show.
July marks the 25 year, 25 yearssince the American with
Disabilities Act was signed. Congress also made July American
Disabilities Month, so July it it's it, it, it is the

(53:21):
Disabilities Pride Month. It's a time to honor and
identify culture, identity and contributions of the disabled
community. It's more about more than
accommodations or illegal milestones.
It's about visibility, belonging, and the right to
exist without shame. According to the CDC, one in

(53:41):
four adults in the United Stateslives with a disability.
Many of those are invisible chronic conditions, mental
health diagnosis, learning differences, and
neurodivergences. And this year, the Trump
administration issued guidance to the Department of Justice to
rescind guidance on the ADA. The Department of Justice is

(54:04):
rescinding numerous guidance documents clarifying
requirements under the ADA, including some that date back to
1999. The agency said this week that
it removed the guidance in accordance with the memorandum
issued by President Trump in January.
Today's withdrawal issued withdrawal of 11 pieces of
quote, unnecessary and outdated guidance will aid businesses in

(54:27):
complying with the ADA. Of the 11, only five were
related to COVID stuff. So the agency is going to be
removing guidance on how to makeit safer and easier for disabled
people to access things like bathrooms, parking spots,
getting into the store. So we're talking about ramps,

(54:51):
push buttons for disabled folks to be able to get in and out in
wheelchairs and that kind of thing.
The final three excised regulations dealt with reaching
out to customers with disabilities, assistance at
self-serving gas stations, stepsat lodging facilities.
It's, it's every fucking way they possibly can.

(55:13):
This administration is going after people.
It just makes me, it frustrates me.
So this month, you know, whatever you, however you would
want to, you know, reflect back on the ADA or whatever, or, or
disability Americans with Disabilities Act, whatever that
looks like for you, you know, be, be thinking about this stuff

(55:36):
because it does matter. It really fucking matters, you
know, to to the unseen disabilities on top of it, but
it's just to to have it an administration that is attacking
us human beings at every level that they possibly can,
including the ADA, something that's supposed to be non
fucking partisan. They're doing their very best.
Sergio, close this. Out, bud.

(55:59):
So just final thoughts. The thing that I find really,
really astonishing and very scary is that we have people in
the conspiracy world that Alex Jones, the Laura Loomers that
are in the president's ear that are spreading these conspiracy
theories that are going out to the American public and creating

(56:24):
just a bunch of confusion, disinformation.
And it's normalized. We have gone to a place where
it's normalized and where peoplethink it's funny, like, ha ha,
he said. They're eating cats and dogs.
And yes, on a spectrum, you can't believe that an American
president would say something like that.
But then you have people like they're eating the cats and

(56:46):
dogs. And for me, that is terrifying
because there there's a lot of people that will just believe
whatever they're told. And again, I'm not saying don't
do your own research or, or whatever, but using credible
sides. But I think where we're at right
now is we're getting to this. We are so close to fascism.

(57:10):
I mean, we are in fascism and it's, and it's it, it is going
to be again, I, I don't want to say we'll wait and see, but
this, this midterm election is going to be really, really
interesting to see how people react towards the big beautiful
bill. And I would say it's a mandate
of the Democratic Party to be able to communicate this out

(57:32):
effectively and start getting their shit together because the
Democratic Party as a whole is aporn.
We we had the party give Andrew Cuomo, however, millions of
dollars to run for the New York City mayor's office.
A guy who's been accused of sexual harassment for all these

(57:53):
kind of scandals, who hasn't lived in New York City in 30
years. And then you're giving him
fourteen, $30 million to run a campaign instead of going for
somebody. Maybe not as far right as the
the candidate that won Mondami, right?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, far left.
Far left, excuse me, far left asas Mondami, but being able to

(58:17):
kind of think outside the box and getting we've got to get
some communication out there andwe can't do these big
theoretical thoughts of, of fascism.
We need to start speaking to people in terms of what's
happening right now. This is the way it's going to
affect you. And this is what we're going to
do to to counter that. And so I think we really, really

(58:41):
the Democratic Party, this is a reckoning right now because if
they don't get their shit together, it it it's going to be
really, really, really, really bad.
It is already really really bad.But I agree with that.
I, you know, and I just, I hope that more and more that we are
able to, to throw out these messages and to communicate with

(59:02):
people like, hey, these are the things that are going on and how
they're going to impact you. And again, like being a good
person. We're not, as you see with these
immigration raids, you're not, you're not capturing all Ms. 13
members. There's people I've been here
20-30 years that have been working and living in your
community that are paying taxes,that are not getting benefits,

(59:25):
that just want to live and survive.
Yeah, no, there. I saw some videos earlier today
that that really shook me to my core about a little kid who was
left on the side of the road after his mom was abducted by
ICE agents. I'm going to call them
abductions now because it feels very, very similar.
When When you can drive in unmarked cars and be masks and

(59:46):
not have to identify and just kidnap people.
Yeah, it's, it's really scary stuff right now.
This is the Gestapo. You mean you said it we it it is
a fascist. If if fascist, at least fascist
light state. Getting heavier and heavier as
as the. Yeah, but we're we're getting
close to Bud heavy and marble regulars.

(01:00:09):
We're going to be unfiltered cigarettes in.
That's about all you can do at this point.
I don't know. But and final, final thing is,
yes, with these cuts too, since I work in the school system,
this is going to be just catastrophic for a lot of kids
that depend on mental health services and school systems that

(01:00:30):
count on this kind of money to support kids that need extra
support or need pro-life party. Though man, this is the pro-life
party. Only if you're a a fetus.
Apparently. Not after you're born.
They don't give a shed, Jesus Christ.
They give you a gun and tell youto go, you know, fend for
yourself. Yeah, we've seen how that's been

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