Charlie and Gill Paul (Scandalous Women) discuss Jackie Collins, Jacqueline Susann, and the way the 1960s publishing industry treated women.
A transcript is available on my site
General references:
My other episodes with Gill are 42 and 86
The Love Machine (movie)
Some of Richard Osman's words on the subject can be found here
Once Upon A Time In America
Lady Boss trailer
Mad Men
Feud: Capote Vs His Swans
Cold Blooded: The Clutter Family Murders
I spoke to Èric Chacour in episode 115
The three books with a Mira in them were Eliza Chan's Fathomfolk, Èric Chacour's What I Know About You, and Rebecca Yarros' Fourth Wing
Books mentioned by name or extensively:
Dale Carnegie: How To Win Friends And Influence People
Gill Paul: Another Woman's Husband
Gill Paul: The Second Marriage (Jackie And Maria)
Gill Paul: A Beautiful Rival
Gill Paul: Scandalous Women
Helen Gurley Brown: Sex And The Single Girl
Ian McEwan: On Chesil Beach
Jackie Collins: The World Is Full Of Married Men
Jacqueline Susann: Valley Of The Dolls
Jacqueline Susann: The Love Machine
Letty Cottin Pogrebin: How To Make It In A Man's World
Truman Capote: In Cold Blood
Release details: recorded 11th October 2024; published 24th March 2025
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Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok
Discussions
01:23 Why these women and why now?
03:02 More about Jacqueline Susann and Jackie Collins
04:15 Jacqueline Susann's screen work
05:58 On Gill's having Jacqueline Susann and Jackie Collins meet and support each other
09:06 The murder of Sharon Tate
10:29 Jacqueline's illness and bargaining with God
14:22 About Jackie Collins' marriages
17:28 Creating the fictional character, Nancy
20:55 More on Nancy in regards to the historical misogyny
26:19 Gill's fictional Truman Capote interview and the real stories including the facts behind Capote's In Cold Blood
31:06 Jacqueline Susann's keeping up to date with booksellers' lives
33:31 Nancy's relationships with Stephen and George
35:52 The Cousin, Louise, the drugs and trafficking
37:18 Gill's writing style and how it aligns with Scandalous Women
39:28 Including a small nod to A Beautiful Rival and how Gill includes these in her books in general
41:45 What Gill is writing now
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