November 21, 2024 • 19 mins
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(00:01):
The holiday season is upon us, but maybe you're not feeling so
jolly. That's why I'm excited to tell
you about today's sponsor, Better Help.
I've personally used Better Helpin the past, going through
difficult times in life, brutal breakups, losses of family
members, and sometimes you just need someone to talk to or a
(00:23):
little extra something to get you through.
And that's why Better Help is there for you.
They are on a mission to make therapy more affordable and more
accessible. And this is really important
because finding a therapist can be really hard, especially when
you're limited to who's in your network and what options are in
your area. With Better Help, you don't have
(00:44):
to worry about any of that because everything is completely
remote and they will match you with a therapist just by filling
out a few simple questions. It's easy to sign up.
And because therapy can be like dating, maybe who you get
matched with isn't quite the right fit for you.
That is common. And it's completely easy and
(01:05):
free to switch to a new therapist at no additional cost
and without stressing about insurance, who's in your
network, or anything like that. So head on down to the link in
the description below to save 10% on your first month of using
Better Help. Not only does using this link
help support the podcast, but you're also saving 10% on your
(01:26):
first month. So go ahead and head over to
betterhelp.com/terin TERIN and start feeling better today
because we deserve it. That's betterhelp.com/T Erin.
(01:48):
Hello Clarinus, welcome to Welcome Back.
It has been a while you guys, sorry for my absence.
Life has been lifing. So this episode is going to be
kind of a catch up. Let's talk about all of the
cases, all the things. Just because I haven't been
(02:09):
recording, I have still been following many cases and where
do we begin? I feel like it would be a
disservice if we didn't touch onMicah Miller's passing and her
lovely little husband JP Miller.Since that was one of the last
episodes I updated, if you guys have been following or if you
(02:33):
listened, you know that Micah Miller was a pastor's wife and
her death has been ruled as a suicide.
However, not everyone believes that.
There are still many people who have been protesting outside of
Solid Rock Church, where her husband was a pastor, JP Miller.
(02:56):
So apparently Solid Rock Church is no more.
It's kind of what I'm gathering from following this and it also
appears that JP Miller, Micah Miller's husband, was arrested
last week for allegedly assaulting one of the protesters
(03:19):
that have been protesting outside of the church.
I believe he was released on a $700,000 ish bond and of course
his lawyer says that this is ridiculous.
There also was an FBI raid on his home, and no one's really
quite sure yet what they were looking for or what the stems
(03:41):
from. But there was a secret grand
jury meeting prior to this and then they dispatched a raid on
his home. And we're still waiting for
updates on what exactly that search was for and what they may
have gathered from searching thehome.
And then another case I've been following that breaks my heart
(04:05):
is Lake and Riley. Lake and Riley was 22 years old
and was attending the Universityof Georgia when she was brutally
murdered on February 22nd of 2024 while jogging at the
University of Georgia in Athens,GA.
Her body was found in Oconee Forest Park, which is near Lake
(04:27):
Herrick, and her death was caused by blunt force trauma and
asphyxiation. The trial for her accused
murderer has been going on this week and just hearing the
testimony and everything has been absolutely heartbreaking.
It also came out during the trial that this man was in
(04:51):
another state. They had his roommate testify.
Both of these men were in another state.
They visited a hotel that was for a refuge for illegal
immigrants and the two men received state paid for plane
tickets to go to Georgia. So the state or the government
(05:15):
paid for plane tickets for illegal immigrants to go to
Georgia where one of these men ended up murdering a 22 year old
college student. Make it, make it make sense.
And how did they get on a plane with no identification?
(05:37):
If they're illegal immigrants, how did they fly?
I don't understand. So throughout the trial, many
people were brought in to testify, the officer who found
Lakin as well as the medical examiner, her roommates.
And as of yesterday, which wouldbe Wednesday, November 20th, the
(06:04):
man accused of killing her was found guilty on all charges and
sentenced to life without parole.
And we celebrate that. That's really, it's really a
quick turn around as well. It appeared that there was not a
jury. And I'm not sure what went on
that led to that. Perhaps he waived his right to a
(06:25):
jury trial. But it did seem as though there
was no jury and everything was heard and decided by the judge
on the case. And then switching over to the
Idaho student deaths, that is still very much ongoing.
The trial has now been moved andthe defense recently filed
(06:46):
sweeping motions trying to get the death penalty thrown out.
They said that in the event thatthe medicines needed for lethal
injection we're not available, the new laws in Idaho would
allow for a firing squad. The defense said that this was
cruel and unusual and are askingfor the death penalty to be
(07:08):
thrown out. The judge did not throw out the
death penalty. It is still on the table, but
likely once trial and everythingelse in the event he's found
guilty and this goes to an appellate level, I'm sure they
will bring all of this up once again to try and have the death
penalty removed. They've also filed motions
attacking the prosecution's evidence of his DNA, the
(07:32):
genealogic genie, the genealogy testing, and what eventually led
to the state to hone in on BrianKoeberger as a suspect.
They've also now stated in a motion that when Pennsylvania
police raided his parents home and arrested him, he was not
(07:55):
read his Miranda rights and madesome sort of statements to
police and had not been advised of his Miranda rights.
Not sure what evidence that goesafter.
It really hasn't been clarified.They just have said an emotion
that he was not read his Mirandarights upon being arrested in
(08:17):
his parents home. Now there is another case I want
to talk about that I really am just kind of obsessed with.
Fascinated, dumbfounded in disbelief quite frankly.
(08:38):
And that is the death of Ellen Greenberg in Philadelphia, PA.
Ellen Greenberg was a first grade school teacher.
She was engaged and preparing tobe married, and on January 26th
of 2011, while she was working as a school teacher, a Blizzard
(09:03):
had hit Philadelphia which prompted her to leave work and
return to her apartment because school had shut down early for
the day. At approximately 6 fourty PM,
Greenberg was pronounced dead inher apartment as the result of
20 stab wounds, which included 10 to her back and her neck.
(09:28):
There were also visible bruises throughout various stages of
healing on her arm, abdomen, right leg.
Her body was discovered by her fiance, Samuel Goldberg.
He returned from the gym to findher in their apartment with the
door dead, bolted, and eventually knocked down the door
(09:49):
after trying for an hour to reach her.
Based on the recording of the 911 call, he presumed her dead
from self-inflicted wounds before checking.
And I just want to say that they're not only did she have 20
stab wounds that they can say definitively, but there also
(10:12):
could have been overlapping stabwounds and it could have
potentially been more than 20 tothe back of her head, to the
back of her neck. And they are saying that this is
self-inflicted and that this is a suicide.
Meanwhile, she was in the middleof making a fruit salad when
this happened. She was found in the kitchen and
(10:35):
so we're expected to believe that she was in the middle of a
fruit salad and just decided I'mgoing to end it all.
It is so uncommon for women to commit suicide by gun, let alone
a knife. Women statistically learn more
(10:56):
into quote clean ways of suicide, prescription pills,
things of that nature. Not only is it very rare for a
gun to be used by a female who is committing suicide, but it's
almost unheard of for anyone to commit suicide by stabbing
(11:17):
themselves to death. Not to mention some of these
stab wounds would have made her completely enable to further
stab herself. So the whole thing is just very
(11:38):
crazy. And Nancy Grace has been
covering this a lot. And she's had Ellen Greenberg's
parents on who have spent their life savings fighting this.
They have sold their home. They have hired a private
investigator. They have had her autopsy redone
by an independent doctor and apparently within 24 hours of
(12:02):
her death, it was ruled a homicide.
And then there allegedly was a secret meeting with the
prosecutor and a whole array of other people.
And then the ruling was changed to suicide.
And if I am not mistaken, it is said allegedly that that
(12:25):
original Emmy says that he was pressured to change the cause
and manner of death from homicide to suicide.
And within the laws of Pennsylvania, only that medical
examiner who assigned the mannerand cause of death can go back
(12:47):
and change the manner and cause of death.
So essentially all of these officials are just kind of
throwing their hands up saying, oh, we would change it if we
could, but we can. OK, so then what are the next
steps to have this revisited andlooked at so that it can be
changed? It widely appears like some sort
(13:09):
of a cover up. I would be very interested in
knowing what kind of connectionsher fiance or his family have
because quite frankly, who has ever heard of such?
And it is just, it's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
(13:31):
And the crime scene was initially treated as a suicide
by the police investigators. So people were allowed to go in.
The scene was not, you know, closed off.
It was not maintained. People were allowed to remove
things. Family members were allowed into
(13:51):
the scene and as I mentioned, her death was ruled a homicide.
But then the next day, they wentback and said that the death of
Ellen Greenberg has not been ruled as homicide.
And they're considering the manner of death as suspicious.
And the medical examiner's office then changed its
(14:12):
conclusion, saying that it was asuicide.
And this was in February of 2011.
We are now in November of 2024, and Ellen Greenberg's family is
still fighting this. It is still labeled a suicide,
and it has now been placed as anactive, meaning they are not
(14:33):
actively looking into this. And it's no longer being
investigated as it's been labeled a suicide.
And so then in October of 2019, Ellen Greenberg's parents filed
civil suit against the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's
Office and specifically Marlon Osborne, who was the pathologist
(14:58):
that conducted the autopsy. The suit seeks to change the
manner of the death for Ellen Greenberg to homicide or
undetermined rather than suicide, citing the new
information and the fact that Marlon Osborne admitted to
changing the manner of death at the insistence of the police,
(15:19):
which is interesting. Why?
Why did the police insist that it be changed?
There was also a 3D anatomical recreation of Ellen Greenberg's
wounds and demonstrated that notall of her stab wounds could
have been self-inflicted, that it was a virtually impossible.
(15:40):
And then in January of 2020, thePhiladelphia Court of Common
Pleas allowed the case to proceed and pass the motion to
dismiss stage. The trial is set or was set to
begin in 2021. In August of 2022, the Chester
County District Attorney's Office announced that it would
reopen the investigation into Greenberg's death.
(16:01):
Shortly after, the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office
relinquished the case due to, quote, appearance of conflict of
interest. What is the conflict of
interest? Please tell us.
And then this year, July 30th, 2024, the Supreme Court of
Pennsylvania Eastern District granted a petition for allowance
(16:22):
of appeal to review the challenges to Ellen Greenberg's
cause of death. And while that sounds promising
as of late and most of recently,they made an announcement that
Nancy Grace discussed on her podcast as well, and she had
Ellen Greenberg's parents on. And they have now placed the
(16:46):
case under not active. They are not looking into it.
As I mentioned, it is still labeled a suicide and it's no
longer being investigated. And the wording in which they
made this announcement was quiteconfusing.
And essentially they're saying, well, if someone ever comes
(17:07):
along and has the time to look into this, we'll look into it
more when and if we become able to.
But there is no reason as to whyit shouldn't have been done
properly the first time when it happened in 2011.
And if any of you guys have beenfollowing this or know about
(17:28):
this case, I would love to hear from you.
Certainly e-mail me or you know,drop a comment because this is
mind blowing. Now I just there are no words.
And then just before I close outthis episode, I want to touch
(17:51):
base on going forward. We're going to return to
episodes that are dedicated to specific cases.
I wanted to kind of just do an update roundup kind of episode
because it has been quite a while since I uploaded.
But going forward, we'll be backto the original kind of layout.
(18:15):
The platform and all of the software that I used to upload
has changed, not by my choice, but here we are.
So you may notice that some of the transition music and such is
different. I'm working on it, going to try
and, you know, play with it and get get us back to where we
(18:36):
were. That's for right now.
This is what we've got because quite frankly, I kind of don't
know what I'm doing, don't know how to use this, but we'll get
there. I've also created a sub stack
for the podcast and you can findit at all topsy of a
crime.substack.com. There will be free and paid
(19:00):
content on there. We're also going to include show
notes for every episode. And then there will also be paid
content that is on different various topics, whether it be
more information or documents pertaining to an episode or a
(19:22):
case that is not featured on thepodcast.
And then I may also do paid episodes that are ad free on the
sub stack if I can figure out how to make that work.
So definitely go over and make sure you subscribe, please and
thank you. That is autopsy of a
(19:42):
crime.substack.com and I will dobetter at uploading.
Thank you guys so much for listening and I will be back
soon. Bye.
The holiday season is upon us, but maybe you're not feeling so
jolly. That's why I'm excited to tell
you about today's sponsor, Better Help.
I've personally used Better Helpin the past, going through
difficult times in life, brutal breakups, losses of family
members, and sometimes you just need someone to talk to or a
(00:23):
little extra something to get you through.
And that's why Better Help is there for you.
They are on a mission to make therapy more affordable and more
accessible. And this is really important
because finding a therapist can be really hard, especially when
you're limited to who's in your network and what options are in
your area. With Better Help, you don't have
(00:44):
to worry about any of that because everything is completely
remote and they will match you with a therapist just by filling
out a few simple questions. It's easy to sign up.
And because therapy can be like dating, maybe who you get
matched with isn't quite the right fit for you.
That is common. And it's completely easy and
(01:05):
free to switch to a new therapist at no additional cost
and without stressing about insurance, who's in your
network, or anything like that. So head on down to the link in
the description below to save 10% on your first month of using
Better Help. Not only does using this link
help support the podcast, but you're also saving 10% on your
(01:26):
first month. So go ahead and head over to
betterhelp.com/terin TERIN and start feeling better today
because we deserve it. That's betterhelp.com/T Erin.
(01:48):
Hello Clarinus, welcome to Welcome Back.
It has been a while you guys, sorry for my absence.
Life has been lifing. So this episode is going to be
kind of a catch up. Let's talk about all of the
cases, all the things. Just because I haven't been
(02:09):
recording, I have still been following many cases and where
do we begin? I feel like it would be a
disservice if we didn't touch onMicah Miller's passing and her
lovely little husband JP Miller.Since that was one of the last
episodes I updated, if you guys have been following or if you
(02:33):
listened, you know that Micah Miller was a pastor's wife and
her death has been ruled as a suicide.
However, not everyone believes that.
There are still many people who have been protesting outside of
Solid Rock Church, where her husband was a pastor, JP Miller.
(02:56):
So apparently Solid Rock Church is no more.
It's kind of what I'm gathering from following this and it also
appears that JP Miller, Micah Miller's husband, was arrested
last week for allegedly assaulting one of the protesters
(03:19):
that have been protesting outside of the church.
I believe he was released on a $700,000 ish bond and of course
his lawyer says that this is ridiculous.
There also was an FBI raid on his home, and no one's really
quite sure yet what they were looking for or what the stems
(03:41):
from. But there was a secret grand
jury meeting prior to this and then they dispatched a raid on
his home. And we're still waiting for
updates on what exactly that search was for and what they may
have gathered from searching thehome.
And then another case I've been following that breaks my heart
(04:05):
is Lake and Riley. Lake and Riley was 22 years old
and was attending the Universityof Georgia when she was brutally
murdered on February 22nd of 2024 while jogging at the
University of Georgia in Athens,GA.
Her body was found in Oconee Forest Park, which is near Lake
(04:27):
Herrick, and her death was caused by blunt force trauma and
asphyxiation. The trial for her accused
murderer has been going on this week and just hearing the
testimony and everything has been absolutely heartbreaking.
It also came out during the trial that this man was in
(04:51):
another state. They had his roommate testify.
Both of these men were in another state.
They visited a hotel that was for a refuge for illegal
immigrants and the two men received state paid for plane
tickets to go to Georgia. So the state or the government
(05:15):
paid for plane tickets for illegal immigrants to go to
Georgia where one of these men ended up murdering a 22 year old
college student. Make it, make it make sense.
And how did they get on a plane with no identification?
(05:37):
If they're illegal immigrants, how did they fly?
I don't understand. So throughout the trial, many
people were brought in to testify, the officer who found
Lakin as well as the medical examiner, her roommates.
And as of yesterday, which wouldbe Wednesday, November 20th, the
(06:04):
man accused of killing her was found guilty on all charges and
sentenced to life without parole.
And we celebrate that. That's really, it's really a
quick turn around as well. It appeared that there was not a
jury. And I'm not sure what went on
that led to that. Perhaps he waived his right to a
(06:25):
jury trial. But it did seem as though there
was no jury and everything was heard and decided by the judge
on the case. And then switching over to the
Idaho student deaths, that is still very much ongoing.
The trial has now been moved andthe defense recently filed
(06:46):
sweeping motions trying to get the death penalty thrown out.
They said that in the event thatthe medicines needed for lethal
injection we're not available, the new laws in Idaho would
allow for a firing squad. The defense said that this was
cruel and unusual and are askingfor the death penalty to be
(07:08):
thrown out. The judge did not throw out the
death penalty. It is still on the table, but
likely once trial and everythingelse in the event he's found
guilty and this goes to an appellate level, I'm sure they
will bring all of this up once again to try and have the death
penalty removed. They've also filed motions
attacking the prosecution's evidence of his DNA, the
(07:32):
genealogic genie, the genealogy testing, and what eventually led
to the state to hone in on BrianKoeberger as a suspect.
They've also now stated in a motion that when Pennsylvania
police raided his parents home and arrested him, he was not
(07:55):
read his Miranda rights and madesome sort of statements to
police and had not been advised of his Miranda rights.
Not sure what evidence that goesafter.
It really hasn't been clarified.They just have said an emotion
that he was not read his Mirandarights upon being arrested in
(08:17):
his parents home. Now there is another case I want
to talk about that I really am just kind of obsessed with.
Fascinated, dumbfounded in disbelief quite frankly.
(08:38):
And that is the death of Ellen Greenberg in Philadelphia, PA.
Ellen Greenberg was a first grade school teacher.
She was engaged and preparing tobe married, and on January 26th
of 2011, while she was working as a school teacher, a Blizzard
(09:03):
had hit Philadelphia which prompted her to leave work and
return to her apartment because school had shut down early for
the day. At approximately 6 fourty PM,
Greenberg was pronounced dead inher apartment as the result of
20 stab wounds, which included 10 to her back and her neck.
(09:28):
There were also visible bruises throughout various stages of
healing on her arm, abdomen, right leg.
Her body was discovered by her fiance, Samuel Goldberg.
He returned from the gym to findher in their apartment with the
door dead, bolted, and eventually knocked down the door
(09:49):
after trying for an hour to reach her.
Based on the recording of the 911 call, he presumed her dead
from self-inflicted wounds before checking.
And I just want to say that they're not only did she have 20
stab wounds that they can say definitively, but there also
(10:12):
could have been overlapping stabwounds and it could have
potentially been more than 20 tothe back of her head, to the
back of her neck. And they are saying that this is
self-inflicted and that this is a suicide.
Meanwhile, she was in the middleof making a fruit salad when
this happened. She was found in the kitchen and
(10:35):
so we're expected to believe that she was in the middle of a
fruit salad and just decided I'mgoing to end it all.
It is so uncommon for women to commit suicide by gun, let alone
a knife. Women statistically learn more
(10:56):
into quote clean ways of suicide, prescription pills,
things of that nature. Not only is it very rare for a
gun to be used by a female who is committing suicide, but it's
almost unheard of for anyone to commit suicide by stabbing
(11:17):
themselves to death. Not to mention some of these
stab wounds would have made her completely enable to further
stab herself. So the whole thing is just very
(11:38):
crazy. And Nancy Grace has been
covering this a lot. And she's had Ellen Greenberg's
parents on who have spent their life savings fighting this.
They have sold their home. They have hired a private
investigator. They have had her autopsy redone
by an independent doctor and apparently within 24 hours of
(12:02):
her death, it was ruled a homicide.
And then there allegedly was a secret meeting with the
prosecutor and a whole array of other people.
And then the ruling was changed to suicide.
And if I am not mistaken, it is said allegedly that that
(12:25):
original Emmy says that he was pressured to change the cause
and manner of death from homicide to suicide.
And within the laws of Pennsylvania, only that medical
examiner who assigned the mannerand cause of death can go back
(12:47):
and change the manner and cause of death.
So essentially all of these officials are just kind of
throwing their hands up saying, oh, we would change it if we
could, but we can. OK, so then what are the next
steps to have this revisited andlooked at so that it can be
changed? It widely appears like some sort
(13:09):
of a cover up. I would be very interested in
knowing what kind of connectionsher fiance or his family have
because quite frankly, who has ever heard of such?
And it is just, it's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
(13:31):
And the crime scene was initially treated as a suicide
by the police investigators. So people were allowed to go in.
The scene was not, you know, closed off.
It was not maintained. People were allowed to remove
things. Family members were allowed into
(13:51):
the scene and as I mentioned, her death was ruled a homicide.
But then the next day, they wentback and said that the death of
Ellen Greenberg has not been ruled as homicide.
And they're considering the manner of death as suspicious.
And the medical examiner's office then changed its
(14:12):
conclusion, saying that it was asuicide.
And this was in February of 2011.
We are now in November of 2024, and Ellen Greenberg's family is
still fighting this. It is still labeled a suicide,
and it has now been placed as anactive, meaning they are not
(14:33):
actively looking into this. And it's no longer being
investigated as it's been labeled a suicide.
And so then in October of 2019, Ellen Greenberg's parents filed
civil suit against the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's
Office and specifically Marlon Osborne, who was the pathologist
(14:58):
that conducted the autopsy. The suit seeks to change the
manner of the death for Ellen Greenberg to homicide or
undetermined rather than suicide, citing the new
information and the fact that Marlon Osborne admitted to
changing the manner of death at the insistence of the police,
(15:19):
which is interesting. Why?
Why did the police insist that it be changed?
There was also a 3D anatomical recreation of Ellen Greenberg's
wounds and demonstrated that notall of her stab wounds could
have been self-inflicted, that it was a virtually impossible.
(15:40):
And then in January of 2020, thePhiladelphia Court of Common
Pleas allowed the case to proceed and pass the motion to
dismiss stage. The trial is set or was set to
begin in 2021. In August of 2022, the Chester
County District Attorney's Office announced that it would
reopen the investigation into Greenberg's death.
(16:01):
Shortly after, the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office
relinquished the case due to, quote, appearance of conflict of
interest. What is the conflict of
interest? Please tell us.
And then this year, July 30th, 2024, the Supreme Court of
Pennsylvania Eastern District granted a petition for allowance
(16:22):
of appeal to review the challenges to Ellen Greenberg's
cause of death. And while that sounds promising
as of late and most of recently,they made an announcement that
Nancy Grace discussed on her podcast as well, and she had
Ellen Greenberg's parents on. And they have now placed the
(16:46):
case under not active. They are not looking into it.
As I mentioned, it is still labeled a suicide and it's no
longer being investigated. And the wording in which they
made this announcement was quiteconfusing.
And essentially they're saying, well, if someone ever comes
(17:07):
along and has the time to look into this, we'll look into it
more when and if we become able to.
But there is no reason as to whyit shouldn't have been done
properly the first time when it happened in 2011.
And if any of you guys have beenfollowing this or know about
(17:28):
this case, I would love to hear from you.
Certainly e-mail me or you know,drop a comment because this is
mind blowing. Now I just there are no words.
And then just before I close outthis episode, I want to touch
(17:51):
base on going forward. We're going to return to
episodes that are dedicated to specific cases.
I wanted to kind of just do an update roundup kind of episode
because it has been quite a while since I uploaded.
But going forward, we'll be backto the original kind of layout.
(18:15):
The platform and all of the software that I used to upload
has changed, not by my choice, but here we are.
So you may notice that some of the transition music and such is
different. I'm working on it, going to try
and, you know, play with it and get get us back to where we
(18:36):
were. That's for right now.
This is what we've got because quite frankly, I kind of don't
know what I'm doing, don't know how to use this, but we'll get
there. I've also created a sub stack
for the podcast and you can findit at all topsy of a
crime.substack.com. There will be free and paid
(19:00):
content on there. We're also going to include show
notes for every episode. And then there will also be paid
content that is on different various topics, whether it be
more information or documents pertaining to an episode or a
(19:22):
case that is not featured on thepodcast.
And then I may also do paid episodes that are ad free on the
sub stack if I can figure out how to make that work.
So definitely go over and make sure you subscribe, please and
thank you. That is autopsy of a
(19:42):
crime.substack.com and I will dobetter at uploading.
Thank you guys so much for listening and I will be back
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