August 30, 2025 • 44 mins
This is a closer look at the death of Heather Turner. In this post, we dig into the strange details: the 30-minute delay before 911 was called, a bathroom scene that appeared cleaned, and a missing bullet. - - Episode source material: https://Autopsyofacrime.substack.com - - Thank you BetterHelp for supporting this podcast! My listeners can save 10% by visiting
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Hello, Clarisse, welcome back orwelcome to autopsy of a crime.
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Thank you for being here. Thank you for supporting my
little podcast that could. Some of you may have noticed
that an episode went up and was then removed.
That is because it turns out that I am human after all.
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I know no one is more shocked than I am.
I misspoke in that episode and Imade a mistake that I honestly
can't believe I made. But I'm not too big to admit
when I was wrong. And I am not the kind of person
who would leave up an episode when I know that I made a
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mistake and I misspoke in that episode.
And so we are back, and we're doing it again.
Today we are going to go over a case that has bothered me for
years, and honestly, it may bother me forever, or at least
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until it's given a proper review, proper closure.
This episode is about Heather Turner.
As children, we are taught that police protect us, that bad guys
are caught, that preachers are safe, good people.
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As adults, we know that isn't always the case.
What happens when the very system built to protect us and
bring bad guys to justice fails?Do we simply yell into the void
forever? Do victims cease to exist?
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Are their friends and family expected to forget them and move
on? There are some things that you
simply cannot move on from. For Heather Turner's friends and
family, her death is one of those things.
Heather Turner was a daughter, afriend, a mother, a wife, or
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allegedly a wife, and many will tell you a murder victim.
Her case remains open. If you haven't read my previous
Up Stack post about Heather, it will be LinkedIn the episode
source material for this episode.
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There are also multiple episodesabout Heather here on this
podcast. And for this episode I want to
dig into more specifics. New, never before released
documents have been made public and I want to hone in on the
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things that don't make sense, the things that I'm sure keep
those who love Heather Turner awake at night.
If you're familiar with Heather's case, then you know
officials have labeled her deathundetermined.
Many things point to 1 answer, yet somehow her case remains
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open, conveniently preventing journalist and her family alike
from getting any documents pertaining to the so-called
investigation. Her case remains open.
Eight years later, Heather Turner was found in her
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bathroom, hair damp, shower running nude, suffering from a
gunshot wound to her head. When Heather's husband, Andy
Turner, called 911, he immediately asserted that
Heather shot herself. The coroner's report confirmed
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Heather was found nude with a gunshot wound to the right side
of her head. Although officials pretty much
treated it as though it was a suicide, family and friends
strongly believe Heather was murdered, describing her as a
devoted mother who would not have taken her own life.
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Her husband, Andy Turner, is adamant that Heather committed
suicide. Now, let's all pause.
I want you to stop and think about every case you've ever
followed or read about, and everything you know about
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situations of suicide. Now imagine this.
A woman gets up for work, takes a shower, and while standing in
her bathroom naked, shower stillon, decides to take her own life
with a gun. Does that's unbelievable to you?
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Are we to believe that somewhereduring the time that she was
showering, she decided she no longer wanted to live and there
just so happened to be a gun in the bathroom?
Is that what you want us to believe, Andy?
Statistically, women rarely commit suicide by gun.
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The numbers have gone up some, but this is 2017 we're talking
about, and in 2017 one study found that it was a six and
100,000 ratio that a woman wouldcommit suicide by gun.
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Aside from that, how many peoplecommit suicide while nude?
Again, very rare. In fact, a 2021 study found that
only 0.4% of suicide victims were found nude.
How many people would bother showering before taking their
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life? I won't bother you with the
statistics, but you get the point when you take the
circumstances of Heather's deathand put them all together.
Common sense alone tells us how unlikely it is that Heather
truly committed suicide. The circumstances raise
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questions, so many questions. Yet when you look at her
marriage to Andy Turner, it makes the suicide theory even
more unbelievable. Only more questions arise.
I'd be curious if Handy Turner has ever done research on the
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likelihood of what he's asking us to believe.
How extremely unlikely it is, ifnot impossible once you know
that the bullet has never been located.
Heather's case makes me wonder afew things.
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More than a few, but let's touchon the most important first.
How does a case get so horribly mishandled?
Further, how is a case mishandled so horribly and no
one is held accountable for sucha flawed investigation?
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A woman is dead and I don't meanto mince words.
Flawed is being kind. Paulding County Sheriff's Office
failed Heather miserably. They failed her children.
They failed her family. There was virtually no
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investigation. Perhaps it was intentional, or
perhaps authorities took the word of a respected member of
their community. A preacher, no less, in missed
critical pieces of evidence. By not properly securing the
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scene? By not investigating at all.
Is Andy an idiot who has evaded justice for eight years?
I'm genuinely asking. The election of the new sheriff
brought renewed hope. Hope that after so long,
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Heather's death would be reviewed by new eyes.
Eyes that didn't have conflicts of interest.
Eyes that could pin down evidence and lead to an arrest.
After eight years, we still havenot gotten an arrest, but we did
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get documents never before released.
Not surprisingly, these documents only raise more
questions. This is a tangled and twisted
story, a conveniently quote undetermined manner of death.
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This is a woman who was in a toxic marriage at minimum, and
an abusive a marriage at most, and heavy on alleged marriage, A
marriage to a man that many believe murdered her.
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Andy Turner, of course, paints avery different picture.
Conveniently for him, Heather isn't here to tell her side of
the story. Although Heather isn't here,
emails and handwritten letters share her words from beyond the
grave. In an e-mail dated April 4th,
2017 at 1:25 PM, Heather Turner writes.
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So I just had a huge blow up in the middle of the office.
Andy showed up here with Lexie and was trying to go to the
judge's office to get me fired. She's not here, thank God.
So I left for lunch and went home, where the fight continued.
After he accused me of sleeping with you.
Then an attorney, once he realized that wasn't true, then
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he said I was lying and coveringfor someone else.
After none of that panned out helocked me in the bedroom.
Lexi was outside screaming. I tried to open the door so he
threw me on the bed and sat on me so I couldn't move.
Lexi picked the lock and he started screaming at her and
took his belt off like he was going to hit her with it.
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She was freaking out. He was screaming I couldn't
move. Great day I'm going home after
work and getting my clothes and going to Pam's house.
I told him I'm done, I'm leavingand now he's super sorry.
I'm so mad. There are no words for how mad I
am. This e-mail paints a picture, a
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picture of domestic violence andan abusive husband.
There is a document that cooperates.
This e-mail that Heather wrote about the same incident.
When Andy Turner burst into the courthouse where Heather worked
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and caused a scene, Andy intended to get Heather fired
that day, likely because he thought or knew that she was in
love with a Co worker, Robbie, and intended to leave him.
These documents do not portray apicture perfect marriage like
Andy Turner claims that he and Heather had.
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In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Robbie declined to file a policereport out of fear that it
would, quote, make Heather's situation worse and quote, which
hints at troubles in her home life.
Heather also declined filing a report out of fear it would,
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quote, make her husband mad. And, quote, I'm going to read
this incident report to you guysthat is referencing good old
Landy bursting into the courthouse.
It reads at approximately O 832,Debbie Hendricks from probate
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clerk's office called and said, quote, Judge Anderson wants you
to call her on her, call her on her cell.
And quote, at approximately O 839, I spoke with Judge Anderson
and she stated, quote, her employee, Heather Turner husband
has gone off the deep end that he was coming up to the office
harassing her last night. He had gotten drunk and wrecked
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the company car and he's at homesitting on the porch with a gun.
Judge wanted to know if we couldkeep him from coming into the
building. I told the judge that Heather
needed to get a restraining order, that this is a public
building but we could get him out if he's harassing Heather in
their office and causing a disturbance, that security would
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check him good before letting him in the building.
I called Captain Godsey to see if he could go by to do a
welfare check. No welfare check was completed
because Heather did not want one.
Deputy Barker spoke with Robbie Herbert because he had received
a call from Heather's husband and he spoke with Heather Turner
to give her an option to consider.
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On 4/12/17 around O 930 hours I spoke to Joel Herbert who works
in the probate office and goes by Robbie.
I spoke to him at this courthouse in the probate
office. I advised him we in court
security had been advised of a phone call he received from
Heather Turner's husband. I advised him I came to see if
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he wanted to file a report aboutthe incident.
Robbie stated he did not becausehe did not because he did not
want to make her problems any worse.
He said if Heather wanted to file a report then he would
write a statement. I then spoke with Heather Turner
who also works in the probate office.
She stated she did not wish to make a report at this time
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because she did not want to makeher husband mad.
I advised her she changed her mind to contact and we would
file a report, signed Deputy Barker.
There are typos in this documentand some of the other documents
but we will work through it because it's important.
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Not long after this incident, Heather is dead.
Andy Turner claims he heard a gunshot and found his wife in
their bathroom. Phone records and documents show
that Andy called his parents andallowed time for them to get
there before phoning police. Who does that?
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During the 911 call, Andy's parents are present.
They even speak to the 911 operator.
Why would a man who has found his wife shot call his parents
and not 911? An article covering the case
says Quote he claimed he performed CPR then called his
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parents before contacting 911 just before 6:00 AM, according
to the Paulding County Sheriff'sOffice incident report.
Deputies responded to the scene for a reported suicide and
Quote. Now, in case if you're not
familiar, general protocol upon arriving on scene with a
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deceased individual is to treat it as a homicide until evidence
proves otherwise. This protocol was not followed
for Heather. Officials seemingly decided this
was a suicide almost immediatelyupon arriving.
I guess because Andy said so, the scene was not preserved.
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Police records indicate majorityof the evidence was not
collected until 12 days later. 12 days by which time the scene
was completely contaminated, evidence was lost and cleaning
efforts could have occurred. Furthermore, photos of Andy
Turner's body were not taken until later too, which by that
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time any sort of signs of a struggle or injuries from
Heather fighting for her life would likely be gone.
We're going to circle now to another document, which is for
the 911 call to their home afterHeather was found shot.
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This states that the initial 911call came at 6:00 AM.
Officers arrived on scene at 6:13 AM.
EMS arrived on scene 6:15 AM. Summary reads Andy Turner stated
that his wife Heather was to be fired from her job at the
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Paulding County Probate Court onthe date of her death.
He stated that on the previous evening of May 3rd, 2017, they
had dinner at home and quote husband and wife time.
End Quote. He stated that this carried on
into the night all night. On May 4, 2017, she kissed him
and went to the bathroom to get ready for work.
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He heard the shower running and a short time later he ran into
the bathroom and began CPR. He heard the shower running and
a shot. I'm sorry.
He heard the shower running and a shot.
A short time later he ran into the bathroom and began CPR.
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Heather was found on her back inthe floor, naked, her hair was
wet from her shower, she had an entrance wound, appears to have
been the right side of her head and there may have been a
possible exit on the left side. No bullet was recovered and
there were no markings present in the wall or surrounding area
that we observed. Mr. Turner stated that his wife
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had been going through a lot recently with the prospect of
losing her job. In addition, her grandfather had
passed a few weeks earlier on ornear the anniversary of her
mother's death. Also, her ex-husband had
notified her that he was going to be filing papers to get
custody of her son and that his new wife was planning to adopt
him. Mr. Turner stated that Heather
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seemed to be in good spirits even though these things were
going on and never voiced suicidal ideations.
There was alcohol present on oneof the night stands in the
bedroom and a wall near the toilet had appeared to be
washed. Seen photos were taken by the
Paulding County Sheriff's Department and Misses Turner was
transported to the GPI in Decatur on 5/4/2017 for autopsy.
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The body bag she was placed in was sealed with sealed number
stated above. At last update, GBI Medical
Examiner has ruled this case pending investigation.
Update case ruled undetermined by GBI Medical Examiner.
All of this is true to the best of my knowledge.
Signed Lindsay Eberhardt, Paulding County Coroner May 8th,
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2017 So let's let's break down these events.
Heather gets out of bed to shower and get ready for work.
Andy Turner claims he hears A gunshot, finds Heather and their
bathroom with a gunshot wound, allegedly does CPR.
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Andy Turner then calls his parents before 911 and his
parents come to the home. Now during the 911 call, Andy
Turner turns off the shower so that he can hear the dispatcher
better. There was 13 minutes between the
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911 call and the arrival time offirst responding officers.
So are we to believe Heather exited the shower and decided to
take her life before turning offthe water and Andy then called
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his parents over before 911? So was the water running all of
that time upon arrival of first responders?
In a summary provided by ShannonBradbury, he notes, quote, a lot
of steam coming from the bathroom.
End Quote. In the same report, Shannon
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Bradbury notes that the bathroomdoor was closed and the bedroom
door was closed, so the shower was turned off.
During the 911 call. Andy and his parents had been in
and out, but for some reason both doors are shut now and
somehow a lot of steam was stillpresent upon officers arriving
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after 13 minutes minimum. Again, Andy and his parents had
been in and out, so why are the doors shut?
How is steam still present? Side note, steam, hot air,
etcetera can affect being able to determine a true time of
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death. It can also interfere with blood
evidence such as blood spatter and blood directionality.
Heather's hair was noted as damp, therefore she had indeed
taken a shower. We can assume when officers
arrived, Andy Turner was found in the bathroom with Heather.
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Andy Turner was observed holdingHeather's lifeless body, and in
that very same report by ShannonBradbury, he notes seeing a
revolver sticking out from a bloody towel next to the toilet.
So it's fair to say the scene had already been altered.
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The gun was moved. It was placed in a towel.
A towel that also somehow had blood on it for whatever reason.
Unless we're expected to believethat Heather shot herself and
then wrapped the gun in a towel.And those signs of the wall
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being washed by the toilet? Signs that had been wiped or
cleaned maybe with that towel, the gun was in question mark.
So the gun is now in a towel beside the toilet.
But in the 911 call, Andy Turnersays it is next to Heather.
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So who moved it? Who moved it?
Andy had clearly left the bathroom.
He left Heather, but then is suddenly back in the bathroom
holding Heather when police arrive.
Is it me or does it seem like that was just for the optics?
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Now I'm going to move on to thatvery narrative report by Shannon
Bradbury so that you can hear for yourself what it says.
This document and every other document that I am referencing
will be available on Sub Stack in the episode source material
for this episode This reads. On the day of 5/4/2017 I was
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dispatched to 88 Buck Trail in reference to a suicide call.
Dispatch advised the call was a suicide attempt call and the
complaint had informed them the patient shot themselves in the
head. Upon my arrival, Corporal Lewis
and I walked up to an unidentified white male subject
who was later identified as Curtis Turner, standing in the
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front yard. Curtis Turner stated they were
in the bathroom and told us to go in the house.
When I entered the house, an unidentified white female, who
was later identified as Pamela Turner was sitting in the living
room and stated they were in thebathroom by the bedroom and
pointed in the direction. I noticed a closed door which
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led to the bedroom. When I entered the bedroom that
Pamela Turner pointed to, I saw another closed door which led to
the bathroom. Upon entering the bathroom, I
noticed a lot of steam coming from the bathroom as someone had
took a shower or using hot water.
When I looked in the bathroom, Inoticed an unidentified white
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male holding an unidentified white female in the floor in his
arms. The male was later identified as
Andy Turner and the female was identified as Heather Turner.
I noticed what appeared to be a gun, a gunshot on the left side
of Heather Turner's cheek in front of her ear.
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I then asked Andy Turner where the gun was located and he
stated in the towel beside the toilet.
I noticed the barrel and revolver of a pistol sticking
out of a bloody towel lying on the floor beside the toilet.
Metro arrived and Andy Turner was told he had to leave the
room and he got up and went withCurtis Turner.
While Metro was giving medical attention to Heather Turner I
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noticed a note with quote I'm sorry, I love you End Quote
wrote on it laying on the vanityin the bathroom.
There was also a cell phone laying by the notepad.
Corporal Lewis and I then keep the scene secured until
investigations arrived. I then spoke with Curtis Turner
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who is Andy Turner's father, whostated he didn't know of Andy
and Heather having any issues. Curtis Turner stated Heather
Turner was upset because her grandfather passed away a week
ago. Curtis Turner stated Heather
Turner was raised by her grandparents and she was having
a difficult time getting over his death.
Curtis Turner stated Andy Turnercalled them before he called
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911. I asked Curtis Turner what time
was that and he stated 559. I watched Curtis Turner get the
correct time of the call off of his cell phone.
Curtis Turner stated him and Andy's mother Pamela Turner got
in the car and hurry hurried over.
I then spoke with Andy Turner who stated him and Heather
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Turner ate dinner at home last night.
Andy Turner stated him and Heather Turner hung out in the
bedroom last night and was talking amongst themselves and
doing husband and wife things. Andy Turner stated Heather
Turner got up to get ready for work this morning and he was
laying on the bed. Andy Turner stated he heard a
gunshot and jumped up and ran tothe bathroom.
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Andy Turner stated he found Heather Turner in the bathroom.
Andy Turner stated Heather Turner didn't act like she was
thinking about killing herself. So so so so so so.
Andy says all of this is based off of what Andy says.
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How, how convenient. So he says Heather got up to
shower. I've seen other reports that say
she got up to shower around 5:30AM.
So let's go with the 5:30 AM. Heather gets up to shower.
Now Andy's call to his dad is at5:59 AM.
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So that's roughly 30 minutes. Perhaps a long shower.
Sure. A note was found written in
Andy's travel schedule, which was in the bathroom. 5 words I'm
sorry, I love you. The note, as far as we know, was
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one, never tested against Heather's handwriting to
determine if she truly wrote it.Two, it is also not proven that
Heather wrote it that morning. It could have been from any time
before that day. And then in this officer's
report, he notices the wound on the left side of her face.
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From the coroner's report, we know that what this Officer
Bradbury observed was actually an exit wound.
The entrance wound was on the right side of her head, exit
wound on the left. And then it's also noted in this
report and other documents that Heather was sad about her
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grandfather dying weeks earlier.Weeks earlier is what Andy
Turner said. However, those close to Heather
say he actually died days earlier.
Heather's funeral was before hergrandfather's.
Now, how could such a loving anddoting husband get that wrong?
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Her grandfather who helped raiseher, Her husband doesn't know
when he died. And then in the coroner's
report, it states that Andy Turner says Heather was going to
be fired from her job, suggesting perhaps that's a
reason she would take her own life.
However, there's no proof that she was going to be fired from
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her job. It is not proven.
It is not evidence. It is again the word of Andy
Turner. While entry and exit wounds were
present on Heather's body, the bullet was nowhere to be found.
There is no bullet. Documents note that there was no
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damage to the wall. So the bullet wasn't in the
wall, it wasn't on the floor, and it wasn't in Heather's body.
Where did it go? Where did it go?
Also worth mentioning, Heather'sson from a previous marriage,
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Andy Turner, was court ordered to never be around the child
after he returned to his father covered in bruises.
My point here is that there are so many elements, so many
different occasions that raise suspicions about a very abusive
Andy Turner young man. Court ordered to not be around a
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little boy, Heather's little boy.
And then there is another woman who I have covered previously,
Christy Chop, who dated Andy after Heather's death.
She has detailed many times a very deranged and abusive Andy
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Turner. She still has a protective order
against him to this day. So why did authorities,
seemingly authorities aside fromGBII, want to be clear, local
place, those authorities, why did they seemingly take his word
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that his wife killed herself? Why was this not treated with
the proper protocol? And why did it take GBI, which
if you're not familiar, is Georgia Bureau of
Investigations? Why did it take JBI to finally
say that Heather's death was suspicious, however, then label
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it undetermined? Well, let's dig into that a
little, shall we? In the small town of Dallas, GA.
A town with a population of roughly 15,062 people as of
2024. And it's also worth noting that
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this town had a growth spurt andwas previously around 3200
people. So in this small town of Dallas,
GA. Andy is a preacher, Andy's dad
is a preacher, Andy's uncle is apreacher.
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The previous sheriff, who was the sheriff at the time of
Heather's death, attended Andy'sfather's church as a
parishioner. Uncle preacher John Turner is
the chaplain for the Paulding County Sheriff's Office.
Andy's mom, Pamela Turner, worksat the Paulding County Probate
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office where Heather worked. His mom is still employed there
and was friends with the probatejudge that they all worked
under, and his mother also likely knew of Heather and
Robbie's relationship. Whatever sort of relationship it
was, they all worked in the sameoffice.
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Small town ties is an understatement.
When I asked a source close to the case if these links likely
affected Heather's death gettinga proper investigation, they
responded quote 100% End Quote. Andy says in his book title not
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worth noting that he's been toldby many attorneys to not right
said book to not engage. However, his ego apparently
wouldn't allow that. That's right, he wrote a book,
typos and all. Apparently a proofreader wasn't
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in his budget. He profited off of Heather's
death, or at least tried. Sales were dismal.
He used the spotlight he had as a rumored murderer to make
money. He is a pastor though.
Y'all a man of God. In his dumpster fire book, he
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conveniently leaves out the reports that I've read to you
from when he burst into the probate office.
He conveniently leaves out Robbie's correct statement about
his reasoning for not filing a police report.
And just when you may think AndyTurner cannot get lower, he
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included an excerpt from he and Heather's daughter in his book.
In Andy Turner's Blood Money book, he shared that while
officers were on scene, he became aware of the note Heather
allegedly left. Officers said they wouldn't move
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the note, but allowed Andy to goto the bathroom to see it.
However, in a Paulding County podcast episode Andy was on, he
says he didn't know where the note was.
So somehow he knows and doesn't know all at the same time.
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The guy's a real miracle worker.Again, A5 word note from a woman
who was known for her long handwritten letters.
He also has this champion of a line quote.
Tiny moments of liquid escape become better than constantly
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living in the hell Heather created.
End Quote. That's really red cha.
Hey Andy, did you forget you're trying to convince people
Heather killed herself when you wrote that?
True to his little man nature, he blames his dead wife for the
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scrutiny he's under, as if changing his version of events
and memories multiple times didn't further fuel the fire of
a story that already makes no sense.
Over the years, there's been many conflicting statements from
Andy Turner, including how long he was questioned by police, if
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at all. His statements have ranged from
no formal questioning to being questioned for five hours.
Real memory issues this guy has.It's also worth noting that some
believe Andy and Heather weren'teven legally married.
Some claim they heard this from Heather herself.
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I will include their quote marriage certificate on Substack
which is conveniently signed by that same probate judge.
My the webs we weave, we have towonder when this document was
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truly created and how perhaps something like this could be
backdated. When you have friends in high
places, you know, friendly judges in your pocket willing to
bend the rolls for you. Just a thought.
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Allegedly, of course. In a Facebook post days after
Heather's death, Andy shared that the night before her death
was quote different. End Quote.
And they stayed up quote till 4:00 AM having beautiful husband
and wife time. End Quote.
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I'm sure he means sex. Gross.
And then a mere roughly hour anda half later, Heather is dead.
This case is completely infuriating.
While details are confusing, it's obvious they point in One
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Direction more than any other, and it's probably intentional
that things are so confusing. Often times when we humans are
presented with too much information or constantly told
the same thing over and over, weeventually take it as truth.
However, despite Andy's millionth time repeated version
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of events with all of his memorylapses, there are some of us who
will just never believe it. The illusory truth effect, also
known as the illusion of truth effect, validity effect, truth
effect, or the reiteration effect, is the tendency to
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believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure.
When speaking with someone closeto Heather's case, they said
this quote, if we can't get justice for Heather, maybe we
can stop this from happening to anyone else.
We just don't want another family to endure this pain.
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End Quote. The truth is no one knows what
justice for Heather looks like if it's something that can be
accomplished after such a shoddyinvestigation and so many years.
The new sheriff has acknowledgedthere were many mistakes, but
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can what's been done be undone? Maybe there will be legal
justice one day here on this earth.
Or maybe the real justice will be when the preacher meets his
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Hello, Clarisse, welcome back orwelcome to autopsy of a crime.
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Thank you for being here. Thank you for supporting my
little podcast that could. Some of you may have noticed
that an episode went up and was then removed.
That is because it turns out that I am human after all.
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I know no one is more shocked than I am.
I misspoke in that episode and Imade a mistake that I honestly
can't believe I made. But I'm not too big to admit
when I was wrong. And I am not the kind of person
who would leave up an episode when I know that I made a
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mistake and I misspoke in that episode.
And so we are back, and we're doing it again.
Today we are going to go over a case that has bothered me for
years, and honestly, it may bother me forever, or at least
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until it's given a proper review, proper closure.
This episode is about Heather Turner.
As children, we are taught that police protect us, that bad guys
are caught, that preachers are safe, good people.
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As adults, we know that isn't always the case.
What happens when the very system built to protect us and
bring bad guys to justice fails?Do we simply yell into the void
forever? Do victims cease to exist?
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Are their friends and family expected to forget them and move
on? There are some things that you
simply cannot move on from. For Heather Turner's friends and
family, her death is one of those things.
Heather Turner was a daughter, afriend, a mother, a wife, or
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allegedly a wife, and many will tell you a murder victim.
Her case remains open. If you haven't read my previous
Up Stack post about Heather, it will be LinkedIn the episode
source material for this episode.
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There are also multiple episodesabout Heather here on this
podcast. And for this episode I want to
dig into more specifics. New, never before released
documents have been made public and I want to hone in on the
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things that don't make sense, the things that I'm sure keep
those who love Heather Turner awake at night.
If you're familiar with Heather's case, then you know
officials have labeled her deathundetermined.
Many things point to 1 answer, yet somehow her case remains
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open, conveniently preventing journalist and her family alike
from getting any documents pertaining to the so-called
investigation. Her case remains open.
Eight years later, Heather Turner was found in her
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bathroom, hair damp, shower running nude, suffering from a
gunshot wound to her head. When Heather's husband, Andy
Turner, called 911, he immediately asserted that
Heather shot herself. The coroner's report confirmed
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Heather was found nude with a gunshot wound to the right side
of her head. Although officials pretty much
treated it as though it was a suicide, family and friends
strongly believe Heather was murdered, describing her as a
devoted mother who would not have taken her own life.
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Her husband, Andy Turner, is adamant that Heather committed
suicide. Now, let's all pause.
I want you to stop and think about every case you've ever
followed or read about, and everything you know about
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situations of suicide. Now imagine this.
A woman gets up for work, takes a shower, and while standing in
her bathroom naked, shower stillon, decides to take her own life
with a gun. Does that's unbelievable to you?
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Are we to believe that somewhereduring the time that she was
showering, she decided she no longer wanted to live and there
just so happened to be a gun in the bathroom?
Is that what you want us to believe, Andy?
Statistically, women rarely commit suicide by gun.
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The numbers have gone up some, but this is 2017 we're talking
about, and in 2017 one study found that it was a six and
100,000 ratio that a woman wouldcommit suicide by gun.
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Aside from that, how many peoplecommit suicide while nude?
Again, very rare. In fact, a 2021 study found that
only 0.4% of suicide victims were found nude.
How many people would bother showering before taking their
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life? I won't bother you with the
statistics, but you get the point when you take the
circumstances of Heather's deathand put them all together.
Common sense alone tells us how unlikely it is that Heather
truly committed suicide. The circumstances raise
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questions, so many questions. Yet when you look at her
marriage to Andy Turner, it makes the suicide theory even
more unbelievable. Only more questions arise.
I'd be curious if Handy Turner has ever done research on the
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likelihood of what he's asking us to believe.
How extremely unlikely it is, ifnot impossible once you know
that the bullet has never been located.
Heather's case makes me wonder afew things.
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More than a few, but let's touchon the most important first.
How does a case get so horribly mishandled?
Further, how is a case mishandled so horribly and no
one is held accountable for sucha flawed investigation?
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A woman is dead and I don't meanto mince words.
Flawed is being kind. Paulding County Sheriff's Office
failed Heather miserably. They failed her children.
They failed her family. There was virtually no
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investigation. Perhaps it was intentional, or
perhaps authorities took the word of a respected member of
their community. A preacher, no less, in missed
critical pieces of evidence. By not properly securing the
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scene? By not investigating at all.
Is Andy an idiot who has evaded justice for eight years?
I'm genuinely asking. The election of the new sheriff
brought renewed hope. Hope that after so long,
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Heather's death would be reviewed by new eyes.
Eyes that didn't have conflicts of interest.
Eyes that could pin down evidence and lead to an arrest.
After eight years, we still havenot gotten an arrest, but we did
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get documents never before released.
Not surprisingly, these documents only raise more
questions. This is a tangled and twisted
story, a conveniently quote undetermined manner of death.
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This is a woman who was in a toxic marriage at minimum, and
an abusive a marriage at most, and heavy on alleged marriage, A
marriage to a man that many believe murdered her.
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Andy Turner, of course, paints avery different picture.
Conveniently for him, Heather isn't here to tell her side of
the story. Although Heather isn't here,
emails and handwritten letters share her words from beyond the
grave. In an e-mail dated April 4th,
2017 at 1:25 PM, Heather Turner writes.
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So I just had a huge blow up in the middle of the office.
Andy showed up here with Lexie and was trying to go to the
judge's office to get me fired. She's not here, thank God.
So I left for lunch and went home, where the fight continued.
After he accused me of sleeping with you.
Then an attorney, once he realized that wasn't true, then
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he said I was lying and coveringfor someone else.
After none of that panned out helocked me in the bedroom.
Lexi was outside screaming. I tried to open the door so he
threw me on the bed and sat on me so I couldn't move.
Lexi picked the lock and he started screaming at her and
took his belt off like he was going to hit her with it.
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She was freaking out. He was screaming I couldn't
move. Great day I'm going home after
work and getting my clothes and going to Pam's house.
I told him I'm done, I'm leavingand now he's super sorry.
I'm so mad. There are no words for how mad I
am. This e-mail paints a picture, a
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picture of domestic violence andan abusive husband.
There is a document that cooperates.
This e-mail that Heather wrote about the same incident.
When Andy Turner burst into the courthouse where Heather worked
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and caused a scene, Andy intended to get Heather fired
that day, likely because he thought or knew that she was in
love with a Co worker, Robbie, and intended to leave him.
These documents do not portray apicture perfect marriage like
Andy Turner claims that he and Heather had.
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In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Robbie declined to file a policereport out of fear that it
would, quote, make Heather's situation worse and quote, which
hints at troubles in her home life.
Heather also declined filing a report out of fear it would,
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quote, make her husband mad. And, quote, I'm going to read
this incident report to you guysthat is referencing good old
Landy bursting into the courthouse.
It reads at approximately O 832,Debbie Hendricks from probate
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clerk's office called and said, quote, Judge Anderson wants you
to call her on her, call her on her cell.
And quote, at approximately O 839, I spoke with Judge Anderson
and she stated, quote, her employee, Heather Turner husband
has gone off the deep end that he was coming up to the office
harassing her last night. He had gotten drunk and wrecked
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the company car and he's at homesitting on the porch with a gun.
Judge wanted to know if we couldkeep him from coming into the
building. I told the judge that Heather
needed to get a restraining order, that this is a public
building but we could get him out if he's harassing Heather in
their office and causing a disturbance, that security would
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check him good before letting him in the building.
I called Captain Godsey to see if he could go by to do a
welfare check. No welfare check was completed
because Heather did not want one.
Deputy Barker spoke with Robbie Herbert because he had received
a call from Heather's husband and he spoke with Heather Turner
to give her an option to consider.
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On 4/12/17 around O 930 hours I spoke to Joel Herbert who works
in the probate office and goes by Robbie.
I spoke to him at this courthouse in the probate
office. I advised him we in court
security had been advised of a phone call he received from
Heather Turner's husband. I advised him I came to see if
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he wanted to file a report aboutthe incident.
Robbie stated he did not becausehe did not because he did not
want to make her problems any worse.
He said if Heather wanted to file a report then he would
write a statement. I then spoke with Heather Turner
who also works in the probate office.
She stated she did not wish to make a report at this time
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because she did not want to makeher husband mad.
I advised her she changed her mind to contact and we would
file a report, signed Deputy Barker.
There are typos in this documentand some of the other documents
but we will work through it because it's important.
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Not long after this incident, Heather is dead.
Andy Turner claims he heard a gunshot and found his wife in
their bathroom. Phone records and documents show
that Andy called his parents andallowed time for them to get
there before phoning police. Who does that?
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During the 911 call, Andy's parents are present.
They even speak to the 911 operator.
Why would a man who has found his wife shot call his parents
and not 911? An article covering the case
says Quote he claimed he performed CPR then called his
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parents before contacting 911 just before 6:00 AM, according
to the Paulding County Sheriff'sOffice incident report.
Deputies responded to the scene for a reported suicide and
Quote. Now, in case if you're not
familiar, general protocol upon arriving on scene with a
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deceased individual is to treat it as a homicide until evidence
proves otherwise. This protocol was not followed
for Heather. Officials seemingly decided this
was a suicide almost immediatelyupon arriving.
I guess because Andy said so, the scene was not preserved.
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Police records indicate majorityof the evidence was not
collected until 12 days later. 12 days by which time the scene
was completely contaminated, evidence was lost and cleaning
efforts could have occurred. Furthermore, photos of Andy
Turner's body were not taken until later too, which by that
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time any sort of signs of a struggle or injuries from
Heather fighting for her life would likely be gone.
We're going to circle now to another document, which is for
the 911 call to their home afterHeather was found shot.
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This states that the initial 911call came at 6:00 AM.
Officers arrived on scene at 6:13 AM.
EMS arrived on scene 6:15 AM. Summary reads Andy Turner stated
that his wife Heather was to be fired from her job at the
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Paulding County Probate Court onthe date of her death.
He stated that on the previous evening of May 3rd, 2017, they
had dinner at home and quote husband and wife time.
End Quote. He stated that this carried on
into the night all night. On May 4, 2017, she kissed him
and went to the bathroom to get ready for work.
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He heard the shower running and a short time later he ran into
the bathroom and began CPR. He heard the shower running and
a shot. I'm sorry.
He heard the shower running and a shot.
A short time later he ran into the bathroom and began CPR.
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Heather was found on her back inthe floor, naked, her hair was
wet from her shower, she had an entrance wound, appears to have
been the right side of her head and there may have been a
possible exit on the left side. No bullet was recovered and
there were no markings present in the wall or surrounding area
that we observed. Mr. Turner stated that his wife
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had been going through a lot recently with the prospect of
losing her job. In addition, her grandfather had
passed a few weeks earlier on ornear the anniversary of her
mother's death. Also, her ex-husband had
notified her that he was going to be filing papers to get
custody of her son and that his new wife was planning to adopt
him. Mr. Turner stated that Heather
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seemed to be in good spirits even though these things were
going on and never voiced suicidal ideations.
There was alcohol present on oneof the night stands in the
bedroom and a wall near the toilet had appeared to be
washed. Seen photos were taken by the
Paulding County Sheriff's Department and Misses Turner was
transported to the GPI in Decatur on 5/4/2017 for autopsy.
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The body bag she was placed in was sealed with sealed number
stated above. At last update, GBI Medical
Examiner has ruled this case pending investigation.
Update case ruled undetermined by GBI Medical Examiner.
All of this is true to the best of my knowledge.
Signed Lindsay Eberhardt, Paulding County Coroner May 8th,
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2017 So let's let's break down these events.
Heather gets out of bed to shower and get ready for work.
Andy Turner claims he hears A gunshot, finds Heather and their
bathroom with a gunshot wound, allegedly does CPR.
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Andy Turner then calls his parents before 911 and his
parents come to the home. Now during the 911 call, Andy
Turner turns off the shower so that he can hear the dispatcher
better. There was 13 minutes between the
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911 call and the arrival time offirst responding officers.
So are we to believe Heather exited the shower and decided to
take her life before turning offthe water and Andy then called
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his parents over before 911? So was the water running all of
that time upon arrival of first responders?
In a summary provided by ShannonBradbury, he notes, quote, a lot
of steam coming from the bathroom.
End Quote. In the same report, Shannon
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Bradbury notes that the bathroomdoor was closed and the bedroom
door was closed, so the shower was turned off.
During the 911 call. Andy and his parents had been in
and out, but for some reason both doors are shut now and
somehow a lot of steam was stillpresent upon officers arriving
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after 13 minutes minimum. Again, Andy and his parents had
been in and out, so why are the doors shut?
How is steam still present? Side note, steam, hot air,
etcetera can affect being able to determine a true time of
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death. It can also interfere with blood
evidence such as blood spatter and blood directionality.
Heather's hair was noted as damp, therefore she had indeed
taken a shower. We can assume when officers
arrived, Andy Turner was found in the bathroom with Heather.
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Andy Turner was observed holdingHeather's lifeless body, and in
that very same report by ShannonBradbury, he notes seeing a
revolver sticking out from a bloody towel next to the toilet.
So it's fair to say the scene had already been altered.
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The gun was moved. It was placed in a towel.
A towel that also somehow had blood on it for whatever reason.
Unless we're expected to believethat Heather shot herself and
then wrapped the gun in a towel.And those signs of the wall
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being washed by the toilet? Signs that had been wiped or
cleaned maybe with that towel, the gun was in question mark.
So the gun is now in a towel beside the toilet.
But in the 911 call, Andy Turnersays it is next to Heather.
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So who moved it? Who moved it?
Andy had clearly left the bathroom.
He left Heather, but then is suddenly back in the bathroom
holding Heather when police arrive.
Is it me or does it seem like that was just for the optics?
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Now I'm going to move on to thatvery narrative report by Shannon
Bradbury so that you can hear for yourself what it says.
This document and every other document that I am referencing
will be available on Sub Stack in the episode source material
for this episode This reads. On the day of 5/4/2017 I was
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dispatched to 88 Buck Trail in reference to a suicide call.
Dispatch advised the call was a suicide attempt call and the
complaint had informed them the patient shot themselves in the
head. Upon my arrival, Corporal Lewis
and I walked up to an unidentified white male subject
who was later identified as Curtis Turner, standing in the
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front yard. Curtis Turner stated they were
in the bathroom and told us to go in the house.
When I entered the house, an unidentified white female, who
was later identified as Pamela Turner was sitting in the living
room and stated they were in thebathroom by the bedroom and
pointed in the direction. I noticed a closed door which
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led to the bedroom. When I entered the bedroom that
Pamela Turner pointed to, I saw another closed door which led to
the bathroom. Upon entering the bathroom, I
noticed a lot of steam coming from the bathroom as someone had
took a shower or using hot water.
When I looked in the bathroom, Inoticed an unidentified white
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male holding an unidentified white female in the floor in his
arms. The male was later identified as
Andy Turner and the female was identified as Heather Turner.
I noticed what appeared to be a gun, a gunshot on the left side
of Heather Turner's cheek in front of her ear.
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I then asked Andy Turner where the gun was located and he
stated in the towel beside the toilet.
I noticed the barrel and revolver of a pistol sticking
out of a bloody towel lying on the floor beside the toilet.
Metro arrived and Andy Turner was told he had to leave the
room and he got up and went withCurtis Turner.
While Metro was giving medical attention to Heather Turner I
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noticed a note with quote I'm sorry, I love you End Quote
wrote on it laying on the vanityin the bathroom.
There was also a cell phone laying by the notepad.
Corporal Lewis and I then keep the scene secured until
investigations arrived. I then spoke with Curtis Turner
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who is Andy Turner's father, whostated he didn't know of Andy
and Heather having any issues. Curtis Turner stated Heather
Turner was upset because her grandfather passed away a week
ago. Curtis Turner stated Heather
Turner was raised by her grandparents and she was having
a difficult time getting over his death.
Curtis Turner stated Andy Turnercalled them before he called
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911. I asked Curtis Turner what time
was that and he stated 559. I watched Curtis Turner get the
correct time of the call off of his cell phone.
Curtis Turner stated him and Andy's mother Pamela Turner got
in the car and hurry hurried over.
I then spoke with Andy Turner who stated him and Heather
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Turner ate dinner at home last night.
Andy Turner stated him and Heather Turner hung out in the
bedroom last night and was talking amongst themselves and
doing husband and wife things. Andy Turner stated Heather
Turner got up to get ready for work this morning and he was
laying on the bed. Andy Turner stated he heard a
gunshot and jumped up and ran tothe bathroom.
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Andy Turner stated he found Heather Turner in the bathroom.
Andy Turner stated Heather Turner didn't act like she was
thinking about killing herself. So so so so so so.
Andy says all of this is based off of what Andy says.
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How, how convenient. So he says Heather got up to
shower. I've seen other reports that say
she got up to shower around 5:30AM.
So let's go with the 5:30 AM. Heather gets up to shower.
Now Andy's call to his dad is at5:59 AM.
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So that's roughly 30 minutes. Perhaps a long shower.
Sure. A note was found written in
Andy's travel schedule, which was in the bathroom. 5 words I'm
sorry, I love you. The note, as far as we know, was
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one, never tested against Heather's handwriting to
determine if she truly wrote it.Two, it is also not proven that
Heather wrote it that morning. It could have been from any time
before that day. And then in this officer's
report, he notices the wound on the left side of her face.
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From the coroner's report, we know that what this Officer
Bradbury observed was actually an exit wound.
The entrance wound was on the right side of her head, exit
wound on the left. And then it's also noted in this
report and other documents that Heather was sad about her
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grandfather dying weeks earlier.Weeks earlier is what Andy
Turner said. However, those close to Heather
say he actually died days earlier.
Heather's funeral was before hergrandfather's.
Now, how could such a loving anddoting husband get that wrong?
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Her grandfather who helped raiseher, Her husband doesn't know
when he died. And then in the coroner's
report, it states that Andy Turner says Heather was going to
be fired from her job, suggesting perhaps that's a
reason she would take her own life.
However, there's no proof that she was going to be fired from
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her job. It is not proven.
It is not evidence. It is again the word of Andy
Turner. While entry and exit wounds were
present on Heather's body, the bullet was nowhere to be found.
There is no bullet. Documents note that there was no
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damage to the wall. So the bullet wasn't in the
wall, it wasn't on the floor, and it wasn't in Heather's body.
Where did it go? Where did it go?
Also worth mentioning, Heather'sson from a previous marriage,
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Andy Turner, was court ordered to never be around the child
after he returned to his father covered in bruises.
My point here is that there are so many elements, so many
different occasions that raise suspicions about a very abusive
Andy Turner young man. Court ordered to not be around a
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little boy, Heather's little boy.
And then there is another woman who I have covered previously,
Christy Chop, who dated Andy after Heather's death.
She has detailed many times a very deranged and abusive Andy
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Turner. She still has a protective order
against him to this day. So why did authorities,
seemingly authorities aside fromGBII, want to be clear, local
place, those authorities, why did they seemingly take his word
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that his wife killed herself? Why was this not treated with
the proper protocol? And why did it take GBI, which
if you're not familiar, is Georgia Bureau of
Investigations? Why did it take JBI to finally
say that Heather's death was suspicious, however, then label
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it undetermined? Well, let's dig into that a
little, shall we? In the small town of Dallas, GA.
A town with a population of roughly 15,062 people as of
2024. And it's also worth noting that
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this town had a growth spurt andwas previously around 3200
people. So in this small town of Dallas,
GA. Andy is a preacher, Andy's dad
is a preacher, Andy's uncle is apreacher.
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The previous sheriff, who was the sheriff at the time of
Heather's death, attended Andy'sfather's church as a
parishioner. Uncle preacher John Turner is
the chaplain for the Paulding County Sheriff's Office.
Andy's mom, Pamela Turner, worksat the Paulding County Probate
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office where Heather worked. His mom is still employed there
and was friends with the probatejudge that they all worked
under, and his mother also likely knew of Heather and
Robbie's relationship. Whatever sort of relationship it
was, they all worked in the sameoffice.
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Small town ties is an understatement.
When I asked a source close to the case if these links likely
affected Heather's death gettinga proper investigation, they
responded quote 100% End Quote. Andy says in his book title not
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worth noting that he's been toldby many attorneys to not right
said book to not engage. However, his ego apparently
wouldn't allow that. That's right, he wrote a book,
typos and all. Apparently a proofreader wasn't
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in his budget. He profited off of Heather's
death, or at least tried. Sales were dismal.
He used the spotlight he had as a rumored murderer to make
money. He is a pastor though.
Y'all a man of God. In his dumpster fire book, he
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conveniently leaves out the reports that I've read to you
from when he burst into the probate office.
He conveniently leaves out Robbie's correct statement about
his reasoning for not filing a police report.
And just when you may think AndyTurner cannot get lower, he
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included an excerpt from he and Heather's daughter in his book.
In Andy Turner's Blood Money book, he shared that while
officers were on scene, he became aware of the note Heather
allegedly left. Officers said they wouldn't move
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the note, but allowed Andy to goto the bathroom to see it.
However, in a Paulding County podcast episode Andy was on, he
says he didn't know where the note was.
So somehow he knows and doesn't know all at the same time.
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The guy's a real miracle worker.Again, A5 word note from a woman
who was known for her long handwritten letters.
He also has this champion of a line quote.
Tiny moments of liquid escape become better than constantly
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living in the hell Heather created.
End Quote. That's really red cha.
Hey Andy, did you forget you're trying to convince people
Heather killed herself when you wrote that?
True to his little man nature, he blames his dead wife for the
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scrutiny he's under, as if changing his version of events
and memories multiple times didn't further fuel the fire of
a story that already makes no sense.
Over the years, there's been many conflicting statements from
Andy Turner, including how long he was questioned by police, if
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at all. His statements have ranged from
no formal questioning to being questioned for five hours.
Real memory issues this guy has.It's also worth noting that some
believe Andy and Heather weren'teven legally married.
Some claim they heard this from Heather herself.
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I will include their quote marriage certificate on Substack
which is conveniently signed by that same probate judge.
My the webs we weave, we have towonder when this document was
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truly created and how perhaps something like this could be
backdated. When you have friends in high
places, you know, friendly judges in your pocket willing to
bend the rolls for you. Just a thought.
(41:38):
Allegedly, of course. In a Facebook post days after
Heather's death, Andy shared that the night before her death
was quote different. End Quote.
And they stayed up quote till 4:00 AM having beautiful husband
and wife time. End Quote.
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I'm sure he means sex. Gross.
And then a mere roughly hour anda half later, Heather is dead.
This case is completely infuriating.
While details are confusing, it's obvious they point in One
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Direction more than any other, and it's probably intentional
that things are so confusing. Often times when we humans are
presented with too much information or constantly told
the same thing over and over, weeventually take it as truth.
However, despite Andy's millionth time repeated version
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of events with all of his memorylapses, there are some of us who
will just never believe it. The illusory truth effect, also
known as the illusion of truth effect, validity effect, truth
effect, or the reiteration effect, is the tendency to
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believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure.
When speaking with someone closeto Heather's case, they said
this quote, if we can't get justice for Heather, maybe we
can stop this from happening to anyone else.
We just don't want another family to endure this pain.
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End Quote. The truth is no one knows what
justice for Heather looks like if it's something that can be
accomplished after such a shoddyinvestigation and so many years.
The new sheriff has acknowledgedthere were many mistakes, but
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can what's been done be undone? Maybe there will be legal
justice one day here on this earth.
Or maybe the real justice will be when the preacher meets his
maker and answers for what he did or didn't do.
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