September 19, 2025 • 54 mins
In part two of Amy Bradley's missing person case, I'll delve into the most prominent theories that have evidence to support them and those that have been disproven. There are also more than a dozen cases of cruise passengers and crew missing or presumed dead. Some bear an eerie similarity to Amy and her disappearance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H hey, hey, welcome back to Autumn z oddities. I'm Autumn.
(00:37):
I'm gonna level with you right now, right here, right now.
I took an edible. Yeah, I know. It's it's shocking.
It's very unlike me to take a uh legal hemp
derivative product. I don't know what you want to call it.
Uh Before I record, I really needed to. Had a
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tough last few days, just you know, stressful, stressful. Working
with kids every day is a little stressful sometimes, and
had a rough few days. So I came home and
when ahead and gummied myself a little bit early. So
if I sound a little sedated, that's probably why I'm not.
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I'm not ill. I'm doing quite well. Other than the stress.
I think I'll be fine after today. You know, sometimes
you just have one of those days where you're like,
it's a I gotta you know, take a ben a
drill and a niq will and something else to go
to sleep. So I'm staying asleep. When I go to sleep,
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I'm going to stay asleep for like at least eight
to ten hours, like I might be temporarily comatose. You know,
somebody is gonna have to check it, will appear that way.
All right, So today is part two of the Amy
Bradley is Still Missing case. We got into last episode
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details and some theories, the official theories anyway, and I'll
go through, you know, more theories, some that can be
entirely disproven, some that are like kind of fifty to fifty.
There's a whole lot of that in this case. Following
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Amy Bradley's Missing on Netflix, everyone is still captivated by
the twenty three year old's disappearance, and there are theories
of plenty. They are bountiful. There's a corneacopia of theories
and you know, some to be thankful for, some not
so much so. Amy disappeared from the Caribbean cruise sho
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Rhapsody of the Seas almost three decades ago in March
of nineteen ninety eight, and what happened to her remains
a mystery. This is a part two that's you know,
all the recap I'm going to give. Really, some people
say she fell overboard, while others think she was sex trafficked.
But which Amy Bradley theory actually has the most evidence
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to support it? And I'm going to hit the foremost
logical theories and any evidence you know that may or
may not support the theory. Number four is that Amy
Bradley fell or jumped overboard, even though most people believe
that it is the most logical theory. I got on
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like message boards and stuff like that, and Everyone's like, point,
thank period, she went over the railings, either by accident
or she did it on purpose. And I'm like, all right, well,
there is no physical evidence ever recovered from this, you know,
Like I said, no part of her body was ever found.
And the locals who knew the seas, the you know,
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in the local water, they said their currents were extremely strong,
their tides were extremely strong, and if anything, you know,
were out there, if a body were out there, even
if a shark ate it, that there would still be
something wash ashore, like a leg or you know, some
other extremity. But nothing was found, and there was really
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nothing left on the balcony to suggest that she fell
or jumped overboard either. In the first episode of Amy
Bradley Is Missing, it really seemed that everyone you know
started to believe before episodes two and three addressed different
and more widespread theories of what may have happened. Since
the Netflix show aired, Amy Bradley's brother, Brad Bradley strikes again.
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It's just a really funny name. I'm sorry. He's done
just a ton of interviews, sharing updates and what the
family thinks might have happened. Brad appeared on Courtroom Insider
and shared a detail that he believes disproves the theory
that his sister fell overboard. Netflix didn't really get into
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a whole lot of detail on this part, you know,
because it would discount the main theory if true. Brad
explained that the ship had already docked when Amy went missing,
and then full searches of the surrounding waters were done.
That is true. The coastguard was brought in, like the
local coast guard. There was a really massive search. They
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didn't find anything at all. He said, given the ship,
you know, or given that the ship was in port
and not out to sea, if Amy had been in
the water, that they most likely would have found her.
And in an interview, Brad said, did she fall off.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The first time we got on the boat, we all
looked out to see the balcony. Amy trailed behind me.
I got up to the railing. We were on the
eighth story up. You can look straight down to the water.
I was like, oh my god, Amy, look at this,
and she was like, nope. She stood back by the
sliding doors. At no point during our time on the
boat would she even get near the rail. Okay, so
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probably a little scared of heights. Did not like the rail,
did not like the thought of dropping eight stories from
a moving boat into water with god knows what in it.
You know, as I've said before many a time, we
don't know what's in our seas. We don't know what
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lurks in our oceans because they remain as of yet,
very unexplored, unexplored. Right, Yeah, that's the word I was
looking for. Anyway, I'm not going to get into that.
I think you've heard that rant about a thousand times.
At least my at least my husband has uh. Don't
feel sorry for him. He loves it here. Don't listen anything.
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He says. He's very very happy, and he's safe, very safe. Anyway,
Amy did not like the balcony. She didn't want anything
to do with it. Her brother says like, okay, no,
could not have happened. Brad then addressed that some people thought,
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I don't know, maybe she got sick. You know, they
had quite a bit to drink. They're on a boat.
Let me tell you, I've gotten sicker time a time
or two on a boat. Is it's ass It's really terrible.
I don't think I threw up, but I felt just
absolutely horrendous. So, you know, that's a possibility that maybe
she leaned over the railing. But again Brad said, no,
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she was not going to lean over that railing, like
absolutely not. And also she was tall enough to stand
near the rail and you know, not have to climb
it to be sick. You know, in a worst case scenario,
she could have just kind of leaned over. She wouldn't
be like leaning the whole top of her body over,
like she wasn't extremely tall. Her brother then went on
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to explain the fund Amy's brother then went on to
explain the fundamental reason there's no truth in the theory
that Amy fell overboard. The boat is not at sea.
He said, I know a lot of people may have
the misconception that we're out in the middle of the
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ocean when this happened. We were at Curasow, Okay. He
explained that it should have taken at most just over
three hours to get from Ruba to Curisau. The boat
left Aruba at one am, and Amy's father recalled seeing
Amy at around five am. Brad then went on to
explain the entire docking process at Curasaw and said at
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max that would have taken an additional ninety minutes. Brad
explained that a member of staff had also confirmed that
the boat was sitting completely still during the window in
which Amy is believed to have disappeared. The time frame
Amy disappeared, we were no further than right in front.
We're talking one hundred feet from shore, Brad said. With
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tides being as predictable as they are and the search
efforts that were made for days, they assured the family
that if Amy was in the water that they would
have found something. Okay, So I mean barring someone picking
her up and throwing her over the railing. Yeah, I
don't think she went over the side. Either. The other,
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very or one of the other very prominent theories is
that Amy voluntarily left the ship. You know, she just,
of her own volition walked off the ship in a
foreign country. Okay, There's really no evidence to support this
one either. Amy didn't do anything out of normal the
day before her disappearance, and nobody knows of any motive
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that she might have had to leave the ship alone
and never want to to be seen again, never contact
her family again like they were close, and again she
has this woman that she loves and wants to be
with and wants to make it work. Like I just
I don't know. I don't think she's getting off a
boat and risking literally everything that she has, going for
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new job, new apartment, new dog, probably getting back together
with like the person she loves. Yeah, I don't think
she would just take off. I don't know. Some people
actually believe that she couldn't have walked off the cruise
because her sandals were found in the cabin, and that
she wouldn't have left barefoot. If she did leave without
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shoes on, then she clearly was not planning on going far.
And that part I didn't mention in the telling of
you know, the evidence found, because I don't really know
that this is evidence other than her shoes were left behind.
But when investigators finally got on the boat, When the
FBI finally got on the boat, they found on amy
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sandals lined up at the railing with the little side
table over there as well, and I know that sounds like, oh,
she her shoes down, and she stepped up on this
little side table and she fell over the railing. No,
that is not no, I mean that's possibility. But the
cabin had already been cleaned. And if you've ever been
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on a cruise, they move all your stuff around, they
like make silly little towel animals out of you know, cowels,
and your stuff from around the room, like sunglasses and
other things like that could have very easily been housekeeping
that placed those there. And again like there'd be too
much room for reasonable doubt, uh, because it's very possible
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that you know, Amy could have done that, or it's
very possible that the cruise ship employees put those things there.
You know you could. I'm not saying maliciously, I'm just
saying they put them back where they thought they would
be seen, like right straight in front of her. Another
prominent theory is that someone else on the cruise was involved.
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I've seen again on message boards. I just looked on
this one. I'm like, I'm really curious because this is
a super old disappearance. This is a super old this
is a really old disappearance. Like theories do indeed abound,
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and there's, like I said, people on there just like no,
I know for certain. This is like, no, you don't
know for certain, because if you knew for certain, then
you know, I feel like maybe somebody else would know
for certain, like the FBI. I don't know, perhaps Amy's family,
anybody really besides you know, just one person really, the
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only person who's ever been linked to her going missing
is Alistair Yellow Douglas, the bass player who was working
on board as an entered in the night clubs and
on deck, and I think he played in like a
steel drum band or you know, something like that, because
that's what cruise ships think that everybody wants, like we
need the steel drums. They love it, they can't live
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without it. But really, steel drums are pretty freaking contagious music.
And you know, funge jam too makes you want to drink, right,
like not like drink, but like a fruit drink, not
like it makes me want to pound shots of Jaeger.
I don't know why I went to Yeager because good God,
or malort, let's do milort. I'm not from Chicago, but
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there's a fun neighborhood bar here in Louisville. Called the
Merryweather and it's Chicago owned, and there's some Chicago employees
and one of them gave us alert. They gave us
the Chicago handshake. Holy shit, Like Chicago is a they're
a different breed, I gotta say, because they drink that
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for fun and I'm like, sweet Jesus, that's like a
it's like a like a rite of passage to be endured.
But like they just keep doing it. It's incredible, really,
the intestinal fortitude that it takes for something like that
to just be like hobby drinking. We am just gonna
shoot this liqueur that uh, you know, ninety nine percent
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of the world's population finds uh heinous, but we're going
to do it because we're the toughest. Clear very clearly,
like very clearly. Okay. Anyway, So, after a witness saw
old Alistair Douglas dancing with Amy the night before, the
FBI questioned him. He took a voluntary polygraph test. He
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was released without being charged, and there has never been
any evidence at all to suggest that he had anything
to do with what happened to Amy. He maintains his
innocence even until a couple of years ago. In his
last interview, and the number one theory, and of course,
the most salacious theory, the most clickbait theory, is that
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Amy was sex trafficked. And unfortunately, there is the most
evidence and I'm using air quotes that you can't see
around the word evidence for this. There's a there's a
whole lot of fifty to fifty things in this one.
In two thousand and five, the Bradley family received an
anonymous message from someone containing photos of a woman called
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Jazz that they found on a Caribbean escort website. Her
family saw the pictures and you know, the person who
sent them was like, I think this is Amy. At
the time, the FBI concluded that the woman in the
photos was Amy, but that they could not trace the
IP address. Around the same time, there were also many
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reported sightings of her with strange men that could support
that theory, and her family still maintains that they think
she was trafficked after all these years. Yeah, I don't
know on that one because okay, and the Netflix documentary
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apparently missed out on five really kind of huge details
about the case, and also failed to mention that a
witness saw Amy wearing a watch that she had been
given by her boyfriend. Two divers cited. Two divers cited
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Amy Bradley months after she went missing in August of
nineteen ninety eight. Just five months after her disappearance, two
Canadian divers claimed that they saw the twenty three year
old on a popular beach in Curisow known as Plaa
Porto Marie. This was the first ever sighting and it
was mentioned in the docuseries of the divers. A man
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called David Carmichael claimed a woman who matched Amy's description
was with two aggressive men on the beach, and one
of them fit the description of the bass player Yellow Douglas.
He called out to his friend and asked if she
had a piece of his diving gear, and the woman
reportedly came toward them and seemed like she was about
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to start talking. However, the man who looked like Yellow
then you know, motioned to her and called her away
to a beach bar. Carmichael claimed he recognized the missing
woman after seeing her photo on America's Most Wanted, and
he told People Magazine at the time she looked frightened,
like she was about to say something when one of
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the guys motioned her away and gave me a menacing look.
I am haunted by that encounter with Amy. I know
it was her, he added. The FBI investigated that witness's statement,
but nothing came of it because they just could not
confirm the sighting with anyone else at all. He did
accurately describe a watch that Amy was gifted by her boyfriend.
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And here's where it gets pretty interesting. The documentary left
out the fact that David Carmichael accurately described Amy's tattoos
to the FBI and a watch that she had been
given by her boyfriend. And this was not like a
run of the mill wristwatch. Amy's boyfriend was the manager
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of a restaurant in Virginia, and one of his suppliers
gave him a dose Aki Squatch, you know, the beer
similar to like, I don't know, like a like a
One of his suppliers gave him a dose a Ki Swatch,
you know, the Mexican beer. But Amy's watch was a
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different color. And Amy had brought the watch with her
on a cruise and she was wearing it when she disappeared,
So that's pretty odd that they let that detail out.
Information about the watch had not been released to the public,
and David Carmichael did accurately describe the dos Akis watch
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to the FBI, the Bradleys, and the Federal grand jury.
He said he had no doubt that he did see
Amy in Porto Marie. Yeah, that's that's a tough one,
because that's a really distinctive watch, Like I don't know,
I don't think I've ever seen anyone with a dose
Akis watch Like that's and like again, because he could
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be like, oh, it's a Swiss watch. It was a
you know this or that or some a Saiko or
whatever popular brand of watch it was at the time.
Do I just say Saikoh, like it's nineteen eighty five,
What am I talking about? Either way, it wasn't a
common watch. It wasn't something you know, you went to,
I don't know, some department store back then and picked
up like that was a promotional kind of thing. And
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the fact that he saw the woman wearing a watch
the same as Amy's could prove that it really was her.
And Amy was cited many times after that, but the
last one was in two thousand and five, so almost
you know, twenty one years, getting close to twenty one years, yikes, right,
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Like that was a pretty big detail for the documentary
to leave out, and I left it out intentionally because
I wanted to do a plot twist at the end. Yeah, Unfortunately,
the sex trafficking theory does sound like the most plausible.
I don't know if it was Alistair Douglas one of
his associates, one of the other cruise ship employees, that
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was able to get her off the boat, if that's
what happened, but I think somebody took her off the boat.
I don't know if they like shoved her into luggage,
like knocked her unconscious or drugged her, shoved her into
some kind of a bind and pushed her out, you know,
with the laundry. I don't freaking know that. I think
they do the law on the ships. But you know
what I'm saying, like they found a way to get
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her out without it looking like they were kidnapping a woman,
because I feel like that would look pretty obvious. I
feel like she would look pretty scared, and they'd have
to be like holding on to her or have a
weapon like trained on her. That's you know, I feel
like that would have been pretty freaking obvious. So yeah,
I think they found a way to conceal her and
get her out and then put her into you know,
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into trafficking, a trafficking ring of some sort. I don't
know if she worked in the brothel, like the sailor
said he saw that is that seems like a really
a good possibility. But again you're like, okay, you didn't
tell anybody like you, Like I said in the previous episode,
you would have gotten a freaking metal if you rescued
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this missing girl from Virginia, you know, this all American girl,
if you rescued her from sex traffic in a foreign country,
you would get like a I don't know, I don't
know what metal he would be eligible for, but I'm
gonna say, really a high one, a super super duper
high one. You get some kind of really like top
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tier metal for doing something like that, And like all
you have to do is say, hey, Amy, we're cool, right,
Like I just rescued you. You're not gonna say where
I found you, Like you're not gonna say I found
you in the brothel, like you found me outside the brothel.
And you know, I'm sure she'd be like, yes, literally,
whatever you want. You saved my life. So that one
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is a little iffy to me. I think, like probably
the most likely scenario if she was trafficked, which I
don't think, she like got off a boat with strangers
in a foreign country and was like, you know what,
I'm never gonna see my family or friends again. I'm
gonna walk away from all this really great stuff I
got going on, and I'm gonna become an escort in
this foreign country and not get paid anything and be
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held against my will. You know, I don't It wasn't voluntary,
it's not even I don't think that's even close to
within the realm of possibility. So if she was indeed trafficked,
who knows if she's still alive. I think she was
most likely whoever took her off the boat, and you know,
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whoever whomstever he took her too, I believe she probably
just worked directly for that person. Probably you know, he
just she was one of his girls, and he pimped
her out. I hate to, you know, use that term.
I don't really think there's much of another term, but
he was. He was pimping her out, and it sounded
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possibly like she had kids. You know, if she were
being trafficked, I feel like that would probably happen at
some point, and I don't know. That's just like I
feel so bad for her family because the you know,
the two options for their daughter, the two theories or
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fates that they think, you know, their daughter could have suffered.
Of those two, it's death or being sex trafficked for
all these years and having children that you're not allowed
to see and never talking to your family again and
like giving up everything. That is just extremely extremely heavy,
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isn't it, Like I just yeah, I don't think that's
but of those two possibilities, of those two fates, her
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parents would rather choose that than her being dead. And
you know, his parents, I'm sure those are us who
are we totally understand that that feeling, and you know,
don't like to think about anything like that. If we can,
that's our worst nightmare, and you know, we just it's
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literally the last thing we want to think about ever,
Like if you occasionally will get an intrusive thought and
it's just like, oh my God, absolutely not. I cannot
think like worry about these things, like God to let
this go. But so this family has chosen to believe.
And honestly, I'm not saying it like like oh they've
chosen to believe with their quotes. I'm not saying it
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like that. They have chosen to believe the theory with
so far the most evidence. There was the picture, and
it sure did look like her. You know, there was
a bunch of hair and makeup done and YadA YadA,
dressing her in a nightie or something. But it did
look like her. But there were no tattoos, and she
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had quite a few tattoos. I'm not sure it could
have not been her, but that doesn't mean, you know,
she wasn't still sex trafficked. The picture of the woman
might not. You know, two things can be true at once.
It could it could have been her. It could have
absolutely not been her, but you know, she still could
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have been in sex work somewhere else. That just wasn't
a picture of her. I underfortunately the theory with the
most evidence. Yeah, I really want again the either fate
is just extremely grim and I wish her family nothing
but like just positivity and just optimism, and really they
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don't seem to be. In short supply, they seem very
optimistic and they love their daughter very very much. But
as it turns out, cruise ships actually see a lot
of people go missing, and the case of Amy Bradley,
you know, it is just stumped everybody as it was explained,
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and Amy Bradley is missing on Netflix. But she is
not alone, not by a long shot. But right now
listed on International Cruise Victims are thirteen others who have
gone missing while on cruise ships. But, as the website states,
the events featured are not meant to represent an exhaustive
list of all crewise crimes. These are the tragic stories
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of those who have bravely come forward to share their experiences.
This is International Cruise Victims. Dunt dung, Like, didn't that
sound like the intro to a show? It was pretty good, right,
It sounded a lot like Law and Order. But really, seriously,
they're saying, like a lot goes on and nobody comes
forward and talks about it, Like shit happens. It's a cruise.
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It's full of people, it's full of drunk people, it's
full of you know, it's full of a lot of
staff from all over the place, and just a whole
lot of people. It really anything could happen and you're
just out on the open water. And the more I
talk about cruises, I'm just like why did I go
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on them? Like truly, why did I do this? Like
this is so freaking dangerous on so many levels, like
if there is a fire on a ship, holy God,
like just the amount of things that can go wrong
on a boat. And I'm like, Laddie Dan, let's go
on five cruises for now, raison. I took my life
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in my hands, as it sounds. Yeah. So along with
Amy Bradley, like I said, thirteen other people are currently
listed as missing from vanishing while the board cruise ships.
There are so many different stories of people going missing
from cruises and they all have really strange and unexplained
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elements to them. Probably the most similar to that of
Amy Bradley's story is a woman called Ariel Marionne. Ariel
Marion had also been on a Royal Caribbean cruise with
her family when she went missing. She was twenty one
huh one evening at around eight pm, Ariel told her
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mother that she was going to the pool, and her
mother decided to take a nap. It was then reported
that someone had seen something or someone falling from a
higher deck. A search began and it was believed that
Ariel had fallen overboard, but Ariel's body has never been found.
Huh wouldn't that be a way? Oh god, that would
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seriously be a horrifyingly efficient way to kidnap someone from
a boat. Like take a dummy or something, stuff a dummy,
put a wig on it, whatever, throw it over the
top of the cruise ship, and take the actual woman.
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And everybody's like, I saw someone fall overboard and they
search and they don't find her body, and they're like, well,
people saw someone go overboard and she's the only one missed,
saying we didn't find her body, but we're gonna go
ahead and say that she's dead. And they're like, good job, boys,
we did it again. We solved it. And it's like, no,
you didn't. You came to absolutely no conclusions. That is
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very similar. I don't like that at all. Also listed
on International Cruise Victims is Richard Fairnside, who went missing
in twenty twenty. He had just turned thirty when he
vanished in the middle of the night from a ferry.
His fiance was the last person to report seeing him,
and she had gone on deck for a cigarette. Nobody
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reported seeing Richard, and there was no CCTV on board
due to just sheer lack of evidence. It was assumed
that Richard had jumped overboard and nothing more came of it. Wow,
all right, Like George Allen Smith fourth went missing while
on his honeymoon. He and his wife were on another
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Royal Caribbean twelve day Mediterranean cruise on another but you
know the cruise ship company. A night that began with
a romantic dinner for two ended with the tragic death
of George. He apparently accidentally fell overboard, according to cruise
officials and the ship's captain. Bloodstains were found in his
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cabin as well as on the side of the ship.
Police did suspect bowel play. You know, I would like
you guys to investigate more. Of these stories just aren't
adding up. And yeah, she said, we all simply deserve
to know the truth behind what happened to George. I
continue to offer a one hundred thousand dollars reward for
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new information leading directly to the arrest or conviction of
the person or persons responsible for my husband George's death.
Someone knows the truth about my husband's death. The case
has also been depicted in TV film Deadly Honeymoon, which
What Network is on if you guess lifetime, you are
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really perceptive and smart and gorgeous. Twenty year old Blake
kept Lee disappeared on a cruise and again was just
assumed to have gone overboard. They're like, well, we're on
a ship. That's the only thing that could happen, right, Like,
you just go overboard. However, according to the cruise ship,
there is again no camera footage of Blake going overboard.
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How strange. It appears he just vanished and that's what
his family said there, like this is just not acceptable.
Christopher Paul Caldwell. Christopher Paul Caldwell had gone on a
carnival cruise to Mexico, which I've been on several times
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with his fiance, not with her, but other people on me,
not Christopher. On the last night, Chris and his fiance
went to dinner with some friends they'd met on the cruise,
and while everyone else went back to their cabins, he
decided to stay out and he never returned. And you
guessed it. He was presumed dead and nothing else came
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of it, like no body, no nothing. How seriously, how weird.
I understand that it could possibly be out in open water,
but don't you find out like or don't you figure
out pretty quickly if somebody fell overboard like usually you
know in Amy Bradley's case, unless it was overnight, I'm
not sure of the timeline there. Marian Carver, a forty
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year old woman disappeared from say it like, it's like
a total descriptor of this woman. I am also that
I'm also a forty year old woman. She disappeared from
another Royal Caribbean cruise, this one to Alaska in August
of two thousand and four. At the end of the cruise,
cruise line officials just boxed up her belongings and even
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disposed of most of her items. They're like, all right,
we'll just get this shit out of here. Let's toss
this overboard, just like that lady. That's honestly, like how
sensitive they're being about this. That is really freaking terrible.
It was noted that she hadn't used her room since
the second night of the cruise, so it was simply
concluded that she got off the boat and she never returned.
(34:12):
So they switched it up on this one. They're like,
oh no, this lady just really liked Alaska.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
She got off the boat and she decided to stay
all right Alaska in two thousand and four, Like was
their internet out there?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Like, I have no idea that would have been a
different world. Yeah, I have no concept of what it
would be like to live in Alaska. And also like
over twenty years ago. Yeah, like watching any Like if
you watch a show from or movie from like two
thousand and four and it hasn't been like remastered, you're like,
what the hell am I watching? One? Is this from?
(34:49):
This is from the time of the invention of cameras
and film. That's what they look like. And that was
like not terribly like you know in the Grand Sea.
Things not terribly long ago, but in terms of technology,
you know, everything's just grown in leaps and bounds since
around the time that alien ship came down in Raws. Well,
(35:11):
not an alien ship, it was a weather balloon. Okay, no,
it's not time for that. Another This is a famous one.
I'm pretty sure I did this one. Yes, I did.
Rebecca Quorium. She was twenty three when she went missing
while working on a Disney cruise. So this was the
one that I did. Oh cut the part before twenty
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three year old Rebecca Korium went missing while working on
a Disney cruise and I did do a full episode
on her. I'll just give you a recap. She was
on board the ship when it left port for a
Mexican cruise on March twenty first, twenty eleven. She sent
a message on Facebook to her parents to say that
she'd call them the next day. They kept in very
frequent contact, she called them quite a bit. Their next
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report was from a Disney official saying that Rebecca had
missed her work shift and they could not find her.
And there have been no confirmed sightings of Rebecca. She
was last seen looking distressed in CCTV footage from the boat.
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John Dresp vanished. That was a hard name to say.
Dresp vanished in two thousand and five from Norwegian Dream
and this is the first Norwegian cruise ship disappearance. I'm seeing.
He had been on the boat with his brother and
his brother's wife. So they went on like a little
snorkeling excursion at Barrier Reef in Belize, and at some
(36:40):
point in the water John vanished and like just never
was found. The diving is insanity, like what like you
lose a whole last person? What is happening? And they
had just like no attempt to find them. They're like, well,
they drowned, They're gone forever, don't go looking for them.
It's like, what are you talking about? Like it just happened.
(37:03):
It's not like it happened two days ago when we
got a search. It's like this just happened, like right now,
like as we speak, we could be we could be
rescuing him. This makes no sense. Diving crews said that
they looked over the water, they you know, did a
little cursory search and said that he was probably just
with other guests at the reef. Eventually they did a
(37:25):
more thorough search, then got other boats and aircraft involved,
and after a week of searching, John's body was still
never found. What what happened? What happened? They went on
a snorkeling tour at the it didn't say tour. Sorry,
I don't know if it was a tour or not.
If I do a full episode, which I probably will,
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because that is insane. How does that happen? They went
on a little snorkeling excursion to a barrier reef and
at some point the brother and the brother's wife look
over and they're just like John's gone. And you know,
when the divers go down they say they don't find anything,
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and they're like, oh, he's just with other guests that
threef Where the hell did he go? Like, like seriously,
unless like there's legitimately some sort of sea monster and
that's not meant as a joke. I mean, like something
we don't know about that just got him. Uh. I
don't know, because if someone were to were to come
(38:31):
and take him out of the water, you know, I
feel like the brother and the and the brother's wife
would have seen a boat overhead, would have you know,
felt something in the water, something like see a commotion
if somebody's trying to take John out of the water,
because I imagine he would be like fighting and has
(38:52):
snorkeling gear on and all kinds of other things. How
does one just disappear from like being right next to
people and they're seeming to be no outside influence. That
makes absolutely no freaking sense. It's believed that Angelo vanished
(39:12):
from the ship on the evening of November twenty fifth,
two thousand and nine. He had reportedly gotten into an
argument with a senior member of staff on the boat
at around eight point fifteen that evening, Angelo returned to
the kitchen from the dining room, where he had been
speaking with two guests. He was seen entering an elevator
(39:35):
that went to lower decks, and I hated saying that together, right,
like elevator, but they're going downward. I didn't like it.
They were going to areas that were only open to employees.
And there's no security filming of workplaces except for ship
casinos or non public areas on board and shipboard security
(39:56):
cameras do not monitor restaurant dining rooms. Also, was just
never seen again. Yeah, no, no theories on what happened.
There's like I don't know he's gone, don't know what
happened to him. This is insane, right, Like this isn't normal.
This isn't normal. None of this is normal. Good lord.
I never I don't think I can go on another cruise,
(40:18):
not trying to yuck anybody'syam, because I've been on a
whole lot of cruises and I did have fun, but like,
holy shit, I'm like, man, if you want to commit
a crime, like if you want to get rid of somebody,
just take my cruise. Never gonna get solved, Like truly,
I'm not trying to give anybody ideas, but I feel
like it would absolutely never be solved, like ever, they
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don't investigate at all. It's drowning or well they just
took off. Yeah, they liked it here. She likes it
in Alaska. She's never been no but she decided she
just gonna move there permanently and never talk to anyone
ever again. In two thousand and four, Annette Meisner vanished
on the last night of a nine day Mexican Riviera
(41:02):
Cruz with her parents and daughter. Annett's beaded purse had
been found with some beads missing, and her family claimed
that it had been wiped clean. That's not good, And
a lot of focus on the investigation, from what I saw,
seemed to be focused on how many drinks that she'd had,
which duh, because you know the cruise lines, like how
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many drinks did she have? Was she drunk, did she
fall over? YadA YadA. They did everything but asked what
she was wearing, and no conclusion was ever come to,
which is just again an incredibly common theory. Like I
just said, you want to disappear, somebody, just go on
a cruise because apparently it's the wild West out there.
I mean, it's you know, maritime law that really truly is.
(41:48):
It's insanity, insanely complicated, really truly like they were doing
everything they possibly could not to make it their fault,
which you know is obviously a defense attorney's job is
to defend their client and get creative in ways of
(42:10):
bending legalities and language and precedent and whatnot and making
it somebody else's fault. Completely. It's like, no, we don't
have any responsibility. They weren't, you know, on our cruise
ship in the middle of you know, the ocean or anything.
We had no care of duty for them whatsoever. And
(42:32):
when you sign cruise contracts, they're oh, holy hell, they're insane.
They say crazy things in there, like what they can
do and not do for you on board. It's it's
a messed up stuff. I found out kind of the
hard way on one cruise gone awry, and that story
for another time. While on board the Carnival cruise ship Destiny,
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Hugh fam Age seventy one and Hugh tran Age seventy
or sixty seven, excuse me, they disappeared between the islands
of Barbados and Aruba. And this was in two thousand
and five. The search and rescue mission was called off
in less than thirteen hours from the presumed time of
their disappearance. What really, they're like the sea gottom, the
(43:20):
crack and gottom, giant squid, I don't know, underwater aliens
nessy in the Indian Ocean. Like they don't care. They're
just like, no, they're gone. It's been thirteen whole hours.
They're gone by, and you know they've been assumed presumed dead.
But the family is obviously still calling for more action
(43:42):
because they're like that, No, that's totally unacceptable. Jason Rapp
and his wife Tyne went on a cruise with halland
America Cruise Lines in November of twenty twenty. They seem
to be having the time of their lives until one
night when Jason vanished. His family has been given no
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real information as to what happened or how or why
or who or any of the questions. All they know
is that he somehow went overboard. They should just put
on a T shirt, shouldn't they? His hat was found
on deck and that is literally it. That's all the evidence.
So those were the missing persons or like, I mean,
(44:28):
I don't even know if you call them a missing person,
they're like, no, they're dead. Like they don't even want
to just be like no, they're missing. It's like no,
they're straight up dead, Like that's the where the cruise
ship wants to go. Every time. They're like, they're dead.
It wasn't our fault. They jumped. It's like, no, they
didn't fall, they jumped. Like, Oh, I'm sorry. If you
heard that bottle, it just popped. It was a bottle
(44:51):
of water bottle that I had squeezed. It just popped open.
So if you heard that, don't be alarmed. It was
just a bottle goingoop. Okay. Uh. Moral of the story
that is a lot of people missing from cruise ships,
that the cruise ships were just like I don't know
what happened, and these people could very well still be
(45:11):
out there somewhere. Uh Like, really that's a possibility, and
they were just totally abandoned, quite literally, because there really
is a possibility. That's a lot of people. There's a
possibility that some of those people like were still in
the water or had made it to land or anything,
and they just called off like a search or just
(45:33):
didn't have one and were like they're dead. Okay, Like
you didn't find a body. You didn't really all of
that to say, Uh, keep your head on a fucking
swivel if you go on a cruise, good God, because
you know you always are like, okay, it could be
the husband, it could be the wife. Everyone could be.
(45:53):
But it was real quick of everyone to just be like, no,
he just gone. He went overboard. I found his hat.
It was on the deck. I'm not saying that she
pushed her husband overboard. Uh tye wrap or repay. I
don't know how she pronounces it, but I'm not saying
she pushed her husband overboard. I'm just saying, like that's
a possibility though, and they didn't even seem to consider it.
(46:19):
The older couple who disappeared from a ship, like what,
they disappeared between the islands of Barbados and Aruba. Like,
it's not like they were docked and they got off
the boat. He can't be like, oh no, they you know,
they just took off to start a new life. They
just wanted to ride the boat over here to uh Barbados,
(46:41):
and they decided to get off and never come back.
It's like, oh, okay, that makes perfect freaking sense, especially
in like two thousand and five. Again, like you weren't
online planning your move. You weren't online renting an apartment
or something like that, Like you had no information whatsoever
about that place, Like really, you know, it wasn't like
(47:03):
now I can get on I can just google, like
what is this neighborhood, like you know, near where I live,
and you get a whole breakdown and you get some
Reddit threads about the neighborhood and YadA, YadA, YadA. But
there was nothing like that then, So like they couldn't
have just gotten off a boat and stayed in a
(47:23):
different country Like that makes zero sense whatsoever in that
time period. Same thing with Amy, like she'd no voluntarily
absolutely not throw that out the window. That's idiotic, Like
why why would she have done that? The only sighting
of her that I found credible was David Carmichael, who
(47:45):
was able to describe all of her tattoos. I guess
the ones he could see. Anyway, he was able to
describe all the tattoos, he was able to identify her.
Watch her really like not at all common, extremely uncommon.
Watch That's the only credible sighting. There was a guy
(48:08):
at the bar, motioning to her looking irritated. According to
David Carmichael, that could have been, you know, again, her
pimp summoning her to the bar. I hate saying that works.
It sounds like I'm like shaming her just has such
a gross connotation, but you know that's what he's doing.
(48:28):
Like if they're at a bar and she's running over
to this guy for some reason, maybe she said, oh,
I'm gonna go over and you know, see if this
guy wants a date and old dude, her pimp is like,
she's staying over there too long. This guy's looking over
at me a whole bunch and motions for her to
come back, and he's like, I bet she's trying to
tell him who she is and try to get rescued.
(48:49):
So he calls her back. He's like, Nope, not happening.
And I don't know. That's the only credible sighting of
Amy I believe. But you know, as to where she
is now, I got no idea. I don't even want
to speculate because I don't want that to ever like
get back. Like, I know our family's not going to
hear this, but I don't ever ever want that to
get back to them, because they really seem like very
(49:10):
very nice people and a very nice family, and I
really just hope they you know, hope they heal and
just remember remember all the good they had, because you know,
in the Netflix documentary, like everybody said, they were just
the family like everybody wanted to be around. They were
the hangout house. They were so great, like everybody's relationships
(49:31):
were so close. They were so close to their parents,
like two adult children, like at the hardest partying ages,
you know, for American children or children I'm calling I'm
sorry twenty one and twenty three year olds. They're not children,
but you know what I mean, they're adult children of
their parents. They voluntarily like they wanted to go on
(49:52):
a cruise with their parents and sleep in the same
freaking room. That is a close relationship, like especially at
that age, Like I think that's like I don't know,
that's like what I aspire, you know, from my relationship
with my kids to be like it's just like, you know,
not like oh I'm the cool parent. There's no rules whatsoever,
and you can just disrespect me fully. It's no. I
(50:13):
just want to have like a really close, like honest,
fun relationship with my kids. But you know, they know,
you know, they know when to hold them and they
know when to fold them exactly right. Okay, And with that,
I'm gonna bid you at do you because I gotta
get up super duper early, which I'm actually really happy about.
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I have less responsibility tomorrow, and I'm looking forward to it.
It'll be a little bit of a vacation for me
even though I'm working. Just with less responsibility, the stakes
are much much, much much lower. Ah, So I'm looking
forward to it, looking forward to it, really, all right,
all good things, all good things. If you like what
(50:56):
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you hear. If you don't want me to do episodes
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a human being, uh uh. And what I'm what I
take is perfectly legal. It's actually legal in I think
every state, at least a state that I'm in, it
is legal. Like it's just like it's just himp so
(51:20):
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It's fine. I don't like really the only time I
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(52:01):
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I'm gonna level with you right now, right here, right now.
I took an edible. Yeah, I know. It's it's shocking.
It's very unlike me to take a uh legal hemp
derivative product. I don't know what you want to call it.
Uh Before I record, I really needed to. Had a
(00:57):
tough last few days, just you know, stressful, stressful. Working
with kids every day is a little stressful sometimes, and
had a rough few days. So I came home and
when ahead and gummied myself a little bit early. So
if I sound a little sedated, that's probably why I'm not.
(01:18):
I'm not ill. I'm doing quite well. Other than the stress.
I think I'll be fine after today. You know, sometimes
you just have one of those days where you're like,
it's a I gotta you know, take a ben a
drill and a niq will and something else to go
to sleep. So I'm staying asleep. When I go to sleep,
(01:39):
I'm going to stay asleep for like at least eight
to ten hours, like I might be temporarily comatose. You know,
somebody is gonna have to check it, will appear that way.
All right, So today is part two of the Amy
Bradley is Still Missing case. We got into last episode
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details and some theories, the official theories anyway, and I'll
go through, you know, more theories, some that can be
entirely disproven, some that are like kind of fifty to fifty.
There's a whole lot of that in this case. Following
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Amy Bradley's Missing on Netflix, everyone is still captivated by
the twenty three year old's disappearance, and there are theories
of plenty. They are bountiful. There's a corneacopia of theories
and you know, some to be thankful for, some not
so much so. Amy disappeared from the Caribbean cruise sho
(03:00):
Rhapsody of the Seas almost three decades ago in March
of nineteen ninety eight, and what happened to her remains
a mystery. This is a part two that's you know,
all the recap I'm going to give. Really, some people
say she fell overboard, while others think she was sex trafficked.
But which Amy Bradley theory actually has the most evidence
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to support it? And I'm going to hit the foremost
logical theories and any evidence you know that may or
may not support the theory. Number four is that Amy
Bradley fell or jumped overboard, even though most people believe
that it is the most logical theory. I got on
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like message boards and stuff like that, and Everyone's like, point,
thank period, she went over the railings, either by accident
or she did it on purpose. And I'm like, all right, well,
there is no physical evidence ever recovered from this, you know,
Like I said, no part of her body was ever found.
And the locals who knew the seas, the you know,
(04:07):
in the local water, they said their currents were extremely strong,
their tides were extremely strong, and if anything, you know,
were out there, if a body were out there, even
if a shark ate it, that there would still be
something wash ashore, like a leg or you know, some
other extremity. But nothing was found, and there was really
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nothing left on the balcony to suggest that she fell
or jumped overboard either. In the first episode of Amy
Bradley Is Missing, it really seemed that everyone you know
started to believe before episodes two and three addressed different
and more widespread theories of what may have happened. Since
the Netflix show aired, Amy Bradley's brother, Brad Bradley strikes again.
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It's just a really funny name. I'm sorry. He's done
just a ton of interviews, sharing updates and what the
family thinks might have happened. Brad appeared on Courtroom Insider
and shared a detail that he believes disproves the theory
that his sister fell overboard. Netflix didn't really get into
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a whole lot of detail on this part, you know,
because it would discount the main theory if true. Brad
explained that the ship had already docked when Amy went missing,
and then full searches of the surrounding waters were done.
That is true. The coastguard was brought in, like the
local coast guard. There was a really massive search. They
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didn't find anything at all. He said, given the ship,
you know, or given that the ship was in port
and not out to sea, if Amy had been in
the water, that they most likely would have found her.
And in an interview, Brad said, did she fall off.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The first time we got on the boat, we all
looked out to see the balcony. Amy trailed behind me.
I got up to the railing. We were on the
eighth story up. You can look straight down to the water.
I was like, oh my god, Amy, look at this,
and she was like, nope. She stood back by the
sliding doors. At no point during our time on the
boat would she even get near the rail. Okay, so
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probably a little scared of heights. Did not like the rail,
did not like the thought of dropping eight stories from
a moving boat into water with god knows what in it.
You know, as I've said before many a time, we
don't know what's in our seas. We don't know what
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lurks in our oceans because they remain as of yet,
very unexplored, unexplored. Right, Yeah, that's the word I was
looking for. Anyway, I'm not going to get into that.
I think you've heard that rant about a thousand times.
At least my at least my husband has uh. Don't
feel sorry for him. He loves it here. Don't listen anything.
(07:00):
He says. He's very very happy, and he's safe, very safe. Anyway,
Amy did not like the balcony. She didn't want anything
to do with it. Her brother says like, okay, no,
could not have happened. Brad then addressed that some people thought,
(07:23):
I don't know, maybe she got sick. You know, they
had quite a bit to drink. They're on a boat.
Let me tell you, I've gotten sicker time a time
or two on a boat. Is it's ass It's really terrible.
I don't think I threw up, but I felt just
absolutely horrendous. So, you know, that's a possibility that maybe
she leaned over the railing. But again Brad said, no,
(07:45):
she was not going to lean over that railing, like
absolutely not. And also she was tall enough to stand
near the rail and you know, not have to climb
it to be sick. You know, in a worst case scenario,
she could have just kind of leaned over. She wouldn't
be like leaning the whole top of her body over,
like she wasn't extremely tall. Her brother then went on
(08:06):
to explain the fund Amy's brother then went on to
explain the fundamental reason there's no truth in the theory
that Amy fell overboard. The boat is not at sea.
He said, I know a lot of people may have
the misconception that we're out in the middle of the
(08:28):
ocean when this happened. We were at Curasow, Okay. He
explained that it should have taken at most just over
three hours to get from Ruba to Curisau. The boat
left Aruba at one am, and Amy's father recalled seeing
Amy at around five am. Brad then went on to
explain the entire docking process at Curasaw and said at
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max that would have taken an additional ninety minutes. Brad
explained that a member of staff had also confirmed that
the boat was sitting completely still during the window in
which Amy is believed to have disappeared. The time frame
Amy disappeared, we were no further than right in front.
We're talking one hundred feet from shore, Brad said. With
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tides being as predictable as they are and the search
efforts that were made for days, they assured the family
that if Amy was in the water that they would
have found something. Okay, So I mean barring someone picking
her up and throwing her over the railing. Yeah, I
don't think she went over the side. Either. The other,
(09:33):
very or one of the other very prominent theories is
that Amy voluntarily left the ship. You know, she just,
of her own volition walked off the ship in a
foreign country. Okay, There's really no evidence to support this
one either. Amy didn't do anything out of normal the
day before her disappearance, and nobody knows of any motive
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that she might have had to leave the ship alone
and never want to to be seen again, never contact
her family again like they were close, and again she
has this woman that she loves and wants to be
with and wants to make it work. Like I just
I don't know. I don't think she's getting off a
boat and risking literally everything that she has, going for
(10:16):
new job, new apartment, new dog, probably getting back together
with like the person she loves. Yeah, I don't think
she would just take off. I don't know. Some people
actually believe that she couldn't have walked off the cruise
because her sandals were found in the cabin, and that
she wouldn't have left barefoot. If she did leave without
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shoes on, then she clearly was not planning on going far.
And that part I didn't mention in the telling of
you know, the evidence found, because I don't really know
that this is evidence other than her shoes were left behind.
But when investigators finally got on the boat, When the
FBI finally got on the boat, they found on amy
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sandals lined up at the railing with the little side
table over there as well, and I know that sounds like, oh,
she her shoes down, and she stepped up on this
little side table and she fell over the railing. No,
that is not no, I mean that's possibility. But the
cabin had already been cleaned. And if you've ever been
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on a cruise, they move all your stuff around, they
like make silly little towel animals out of you know, cowels,
and your stuff from around the room, like sunglasses and
other things like that could have very easily been housekeeping
that placed those there. And again like there'd be too
much room for reasonable doubt, uh, because it's very possible
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that you know, Amy could have done that, or it's
very possible that the cruise ship employees put those things there.
You know you could. I'm not saying maliciously, I'm just
saying they put them back where they thought they would
be seen, like right straight in front of her. Another
prominent theory is that someone else on the cruise was involved.
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I've seen again on message boards. I just looked on
this one. I'm like, I'm really curious because this is
a super old disappearance. This is a super old this
is a really old disappearance. Like theories do indeed abound,
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and there's, like I said, people on there just like no,
I know for certain. This is like, no, you don't
know for certain, because if you knew for certain, then
you know, I feel like maybe somebody else would know
for certain, like the FBI. I don't know, perhaps Amy's family,
anybody really besides you know, just one person really, the
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only person who's ever been linked to her going missing
is Alistair Yellow Douglas, the bass player who was working
on board as an entered in the night clubs and
on deck, and I think he played in like a
steel drum band or you know, something like that, because
that's what cruise ships think that everybody wants, like we
need the steel drums. They love it, they can't live
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without it. But really, steel drums are pretty freaking contagious music.
And you know, funge jam too makes you want to drink, right,
like not like drink, but like a fruit drink, not
like it makes me want to pound shots of Jaeger.
I don't know why I went to Yeager because good God,
or malort, let's do milort. I'm not from Chicago, but
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there's a fun neighborhood bar here in Louisville. Called the
Merryweather and it's Chicago owned, and there's some Chicago employees
and one of them gave us alert. They gave us
the Chicago handshake. Holy shit, Like Chicago is a they're
a different breed, I gotta say, because they drink that
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for fun and I'm like, sweet Jesus, that's like a
it's like a like a rite of passage to be endured.
But like they just keep doing it. It's incredible, really,
the intestinal fortitude that it takes for something like that
to just be like hobby drinking. We am just gonna
shoot this liqueur that uh, you know, ninety nine percent
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of the world's population finds uh heinous, but we're going
to do it because we're the toughest. Clear very clearly,
like very clearly. Okay. Anyway, So, after a witness saw
old Alistair Douglas dancing with Amy the night before, the
FBI questioned him. He took a voluntary polygraph test. He
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was released without being charged, and there has never been
any evidence at all to suggest that he had anything
to do with what happened to Amy. He maintains his
innocence even until a couple of years ago. In his
last interview, and the number one theory, and of course,
the most salacious theory, the most clickbait theory, is that
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Amy was sex trafficked. And unfortunately, there is the most
evidence and I'm using air quotes that you can't see
around the word evidence for this. There's a there's a
whole lot of fifty to fifty things in this one.
In two thousand and five, the Bradley family received an
anonymous message from someone containing photos of a woman called
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Jazz that they found on a Caribbean escort website. Her
family saw the pictures and you know, the person who
sent them was like, I think this is Amy. At
the time, the FBI concluded that the woman in the
photos was Amy, but that they could not trace the
IP address. Around the same time, there were also many
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reported sightings of her with strange men that could support
that theory, and her family still maintains that they think
she was trafficked after all these years. Yeah, I don't
know on that one because okay, and the Netflix documentary
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apparently missed out on five really kind of huge details
about the case, and also failed to mention that a
witness saw Amy wearing a watch that she had been
given by her boyfriend. Two divers cited. Two divers cited
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Amy Bradley months after she went missing in August of
nineteen ninety eight. Just five months after her disappearance, two
Canadian divers claimed that they saw the twenty three year
old on a popular beach in Curisow known as Plaa
Porto Marie. This was the first ever sighting and it
was mentioned in the docuseries of the divers. A man
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called David Carmichael claimed a woman who matched Amy's description
was with two aggressive men on the beach, and one
of them fit the description of the bass player Yellow Douglas.
He called out to his friend and asked if she
had a piece of his diving gear, and the woman
reportedly came toward them and seemed like she was about
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to start talking. However, the man who looked like Yellow
then you know, motioned to her and called her away
to a beach bar. Carmichael claimed he recognized the missing
woman after seeing her photo on America's Most Wanted, and
he told People Magazine at the time she looked frightened,
like she was about to say something when one of
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the guys motioned her away and gave me a menacing look.
I am haunted by that encounter with Amy. I know
it was her, he added. The FBI investigated that witness's statement,
but nothing came of it because they just could not
confirm the sighting with anyone else at all. He did
accurately describe a watch that Amy was gifted by her boyfriend.
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And here's where it gets pretty interesting. The documentary left
out the fact that David Carmichael accurately described Amy's tattoos
to the FBI and a watch that she had been
given by her boyfriend. And this was not like a
run of the mill wristwatch. Amy's boyfriend was the manager
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of a restaurant in Virginia, and one of his suppliers
gave him a dose Aki Squatch, you know, the beer
similar to like, I don't know, like a like a
One of his suppliers gave him a dose a Ki Swatch,
you know, the Mexican beer. But Amy's watch was a
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different color. And Amy had brought the watch with her
on a cruise and she was wearing it when she disappeared,
So that's pretty odd that they let that detail out.
Information about the watch had not been released to the public,
and David Carmichael did accurately describe the dos Akis watch
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to the FBI, the Bradleys, and the Federal grand jury.
He said he had no doubt that he did see
Amy in Porto Marie. Yeah, that's that's a tough one,
because that's a really distinctive watch, Like I don't know,
I don't think I've ever seen anyone with a dose
Akis watch Like that's and like again, because he could
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be like, oh, it's a Swiss watch. It was a
you know this or that or some a Saiko or
whatever popular brand of watch it was at the time.
Do I just say Saikoh, like it's nineteen eighty five,
What am I talking about? Either way, it wasn't a
common watch. It wasn't something you know, you went to,
I don't know, some department store back then and picked
up like that was a promotional kind of thing. And
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the fact that he saw the woman wearing a watch
the same as Amy's could prove that it really was her.
And Amy was cited many times after that, but the
last one was in two thousand and five, so almost
you know, twenty one years, getting close to twenty one years, yikes, right,
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Like that was a pretty big detail for the documentary
to leave out, and I left it out intentionally because
I wanted to do a plot twist at the end. Yeah, Unfortunately,
the sex trafficking theory does sound like the most plausible.
I don't know if it was Alistair Douglas one of
his associates, one of the other cruise ship employees, that
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was able to get her off the boat, if that's
what happened, but I think somebody took her off the boat.
I don't know if they like shoved her into luggage,
like knocked her unconscious or drugged her, shoved her into
some kind of a bind and pushed her out, you know,
with the laundry. I don't freaking know that. I think
they do the law on the ships. But you know
what I'm saying, like they found a way to get
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her out without it looking like they were kidnapping a woman,
because I feel like that would look pretty obvious. I
feel like she would look pretty scared, and they'd have
to be like holding on to her or have a
weapon like trained on her. That's you know, I feel
like that would have been pretty freaking obvious. So yeah,
I think they found a way to conceal her and
get her out and then put her into you know,
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into trafficking, a trafficking ring of some sort. I don't
know if she worked in the brothel, like the sailor
said he saw that is that seems like a really
a good possibility. But again you're like, okay, you didn't
tell anybody like you, Like I said in the previous episode,
you would have gotten a freaking metal if you rescued
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this missing girl from Virginia, you know, this all American girl,
if you rescued her from sex traffic in a foreign country,
you would get like a I don't know, I don't
know what metal he would be eligible for, but I'm
gonna say, really a high one, a super super duper
high one. You get some kind of really like top
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tier metal for doing something like that, And like all
you have to do is say, hey, Amy, we're cool, right,
Like I just rescued you. You're not gonna say where
I found you, Like you're not gonna say I found
you in the brothel, like you found me outside the brothel.
And you know, I'm sure she'd be like, yes, literally,
whatever you want. You saved my life. So that one
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is a little iffy to me. I think, like probably
the most likely scenario if she was trafficked, which I
don't think, she like got off a boat with strangers
in a foreign country and was like, you know what,
I'm never gonna see my family or friends again. I'm
gonna walk away from all this really great stuff I
got going on, and I'm gonna become an escort in
this foreign country and not get paid anything and be
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held against my will. You know, I don't It wasn't voluntary,
it's not even I don't think that's even close to
within the realm of possibility. So if she was indeed trafficked,
who knows if she's still alive. I think she was
most likely whoever took her off the boat, and you know,
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whoever whomstever he took her too, I believe she probably
just worked directly for that person. Probably you know, he
just she was one of his girls, and he pimped
her out. I hate to, you know, use that term.
I don't really think there's much of another term, but
he was. He was pimping her out, and it sounded
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possibly like she had kids. You know, if she were
being trafficked, I feel like that would probably happen at
some point, and I don't know. That's just like I
feel so bad for her family because the you know,
the two options for their daughter, the two theories or
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fates that they think, you know, their daughter could have suffered.
Of those two, it's death or being sex trafficked for
all these years and having children that you're not allowed
to see and never talking to your family again and
like giving up everything. That is just extremely extremely heavy,
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isn't it, Like I just yeah, I don't think that's
but of those two possibilities, of those two fates, her
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parents would rather choose that than her being dead. And
you know, his parents, I'm sure those are us who
are we totally understand that that feeling, and you know,
don't like to think about anything like that. If we can,
that's our worst nightmare, and you know, we just it's
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literally the last thing we want to think about ever,
Like if you occasionally will get an intrusive thought and
it's just like, oh my God, absolutely not. I cannot
think like worry about these things, like God to let
this go. But so this family has chosen to believe.
And honestly, I'm not saying it like like oh they've
chosen to believe with their quotes. I'm not saying it
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like that. They have chosen to believe the theory with
so far the most evidence. There was the picture, and
it sure did look like her. You know, there was
a bunch of hair and makeup done and YadA YadA,
dressing her in a nightie or something. But it did
look like her. But there were no tattoos, and she
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had quite a few tattoos. I'm not sure it could
have not been her, but that doesn't mean, you know,
she wasn't still sex trafficked. The picture of the woman
might not. You know, two things can be true at once.
It could it could have been her. It could have
absolutely not been her, but you know, she still could
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have been in sex work somewhere else. That just wasn't
a picture of her. I underfortunately the theory with the
most evidence. Yeah, I really want again the either fate
is just extremely grim and I wish her family nothing
but like just positivity and just optimism, and really they
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don't seem to be. In short supply, they seem very
optimistic and they love their daughter very very much. But
as it turns out, cruise ships actually see a lot
of people go missing, and the case of Amy Bradley,
you know, it is just stumped everybody as it was explained,
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and Amy Bradley is missing on Netflix. But she is
not alone, not by a long shot. But right now
listed on International Cruise Victims are thirteen others who have
gone missing while on cruise ships. But, as the website states,
the events featured are not meant to represent an exhaustive
list of all crewise crimes. These are the tragic stories
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of those who have bravely come forward to share their experiences.
This is International Cruise Victims. Dunt dung, Like, didn't that
sound like the intro to a show? It was pretty good, right,
It sounded a lot like Law and Order. But really, seriously,
they're saying, like a lot goes on and nobody comes
forward and talks about it, Like shit happens. It's a cruise.
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It's full of people, it's full of drunk people, it's
full of you know, it's full of a lot of
staff from all over the place, and just a whole
lot of people. It really anything could happen and you're
just out on the open water. And the more I
talk about cruises, I'm just like why did I go
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on them? Like truly, why did I do this? Like
this is so freaking dangerous on so many levels, like
if there is a fire on a ship, holy God,
like just the amount of things that can go wrong
on a boat. And I'm like, Laddie Dan, let's go
on five cruises for now, raison. I took my life
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in my hands, as it sounds. Yeah. So along with
Amy Bradley, like I said, thirteen other people are currently
listed as missing from vanishing while the board cruise ships.
There are so many different stories of people going missing
from cruises and they all have really strange and unexplained
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elements to them. Probably the most similar to that of
Amy Bradley's story is a woman called Ariel Marionne. Ariel
Marion had also been on a Royal Caribbean cruise with
her family when she went missing. She was twenty one
huh one evening at around eight pm, Ariel told her
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mother that she was going to the pool, and her
mother decided to take a nap. It was then reported
that someone had seen something or someone falling from a
higher deck. A search began and it was believed that
Ariel had fallen overboard, but Ariel's body has never been found.
Huh wouldn't that be a way? Oh god, that would
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seriously be a horrifyingly efficient way to kidnap someone from
a boat. Like take a dummy or something, stuff a dummy,
put a wig on it, whatever, throw it over the
top of the cruise ship, and take the actual woman.
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And everybody's like, I saw someone fall overboard and they
search and they don't find her body, and they're like, well,
people saw someone go overboard and she's the only one missed,
saying we didn't find her body, but we're gonna go
ahead and say that she's dead. And they're like, good job, boys,
we did it again. We solved it. And it's like, no,
you didn't. You came to absolutely no conclusions. That is
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very similar. I don't like that at all. Also listed
on International Cruise Victims is Richard Fairnside, who went missing
in twenty twenty. He had just turned thirty when he
vanished in the middle of the night from a ferry.
His fiance was the last person to report seeing him,
and she had gone on deck for a cigarette. Nobody
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reported seeing Richard, and there was no CCTV on board
due to just sheer lack of evidence. It was assumed
that Richard had jumped overboard and nothing more came of it. Wow,
all right, Like George Allen Smith fourth went missing while
on his honeymoon. He and his wife were on another
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Royal Caribbean twelve day Mediterranean cruise on another but you
know the cruise ship company. A night that began with
a romantic dinner for two ended with the tragic death
of George. He apparently accidentally fell overboard, according to cruise
officials and the ship's captain. Bloodstains were found in his
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cabin as well as on the side of the ship.
Police did suspect bowel play. You know, I would like
you guys to investigate more. Of these stories just aren't
adding up. And yeah, she said, we all simply deserve
to know the truth behind what happened to George. I
continue to offer a one hundred thousand dollars reward for
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new information leading directly to the arrest or conviction of
the person or persons responsible for my husband George's death.
Someone knows the truth about my husband's death. The case
has also been depicted in TV film Deadly Honeymoon, which
What Network is on if you guess lifetime, you are
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really perceptive and smart and gorgeous. Twenty year old Blake
kept Lee disappeared on a cruise and again was just
assumed to have gone overboard. They're like, well, we're on
a ship. That's the only thing that could happen, right, Like,
you just go overboard. However, according to the cruise ship,
there is again no camera footage of Blake going overboard.
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How strange. It appears he just vanished and that's what
his family said there, like this is just not acceptable.
Christopher Paul Caldwell. Christopher Paul Caldwell had gone on a
carnival cruise to Mexico, which I've been on several times
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with his fiance, not with her, but other people on me,
not Christopher. On the last night, Chris and his fiance
went to dinner with some friends they'd met on the cruise,
and while everyone else went back to their cabins, he
decided to stay out and he never returned. And you
guessed it. He was presumed dead and nothing else came
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of it, like no body, no nothing. How seriously, how weird.
I understand that it could possibly be out in open water,
but don't you find out like or don't you figure
out pretty quickly if somebody fell overboard like usually you
know in Amy Bradley's case, unless it was overnight, I'm
not sure of the timeline there. Marian Carver, a forty
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year old woman disappeared from say it like, it's like
a total descriptor of this woman. I am also that
I'm also a forty year old woman. She disappeared from
another Royal Caribbean cruise, this one to Alaska in August
of two thousand and four. At the end of the cruise,
cruise line officials just boxed up her belongings and even
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disposed of most of her items. They're like, all right,
we'll just get this shit out of here. Let's toss
this overboard, just like that lady. That's honestly, like how
sensitive they're being about this. That is really freaking terrible.
It was noted that she hadn't used her room since
the second night of the cruise, so it was simply
concluded that she got off the boat and she never returned.
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So they switched it up on this one. They're like,
oh no, this lady just really liked Alaska.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
She got off the boat and she decided to stay
all right Alaska in two thousand and four, Like was
their internet out there?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Like, I have no idea that would have been a
different world. Yeah, I have no concept of what it
would be like to live in Alaska. And also like
over twenty years ago. Yeah, like watching any Like if
you watch a show from or movie from like two
thousand and four and it hasn't been like remastered, you're like,
what the hell am I watching? One? Is this from?
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This is from the time of the invention of cameras
and film. That's what they look like. And that was
like not terribly like you know in the Grand Sea.
Things not terribly long ago, but in terms of technology,
you know, everything's just grown in leaps and bounds since
around the time that alien ship came down in Raws. Well,
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not an alien ship, it was a weather balloon. Okay, no,
it's not time for that. Another This is a famous one.
I'm pretty sure I did this one. Yes, I did.
Rebecca Quorium. She was twenty three when she went missing
while working on a Disney cruise. So this was the
one that I did. Oh cut the part before twenty
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three year old Rebecca Korium went missing while working on
a Disney cruise and I did do a full episode
on her. I'll just give you a recap. She was
on board the ship when it left port for a
Mexican cruise on March twenty first, twenty eleven. She sent
a message on Facebook to her parents to say that
she'd call them the next day. They kept in very
frequent contact, she called them quite a bit. Their next
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report was from a Disney official saying that Rebecca had
missed her work shift and they could not find her.
And there have been no confirmed sightings of Rebecca. She
was last seen looking distressed in CCTV footage from the boat.
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John Dresp vanished. That was a hard name to say.
Dresp vanished in two thousand and five from Norwegian Dream
and this is the first Norwegian cruise ship disappearance. I'm seeing.
He had been on the boat with his brother and
his brother's wife. So they went on like a little
snorkeling excursion at Barrier Reef in Belize, and at some
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point in the water John vanished and like just never
was found. The diving is insanity, like what like you
lose a whole last person? What is happening? And they
had just like no attempt to find them. They're like, well,
they drowned, They're gone forever, don't go looking for them.
It's like, what are you talking about? Like it just happened.
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It's not like it happened two days ago when we
got a search. It's like this just happened, like right now,
like as we speak, we could be we could be
rescuing him. This makes no sense. Diving crews said that
they looked over the water, they you know, did a
little cursory search and said that he was probably just
with other guests at the reef. Eventually they did a
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more thorough search, then got other boats and aircraft involved,
and after a week of searching, John's body was still
never found. What what happened? What happened? They went on
a snorkeling tour at the it didn't say tour. Sorry,
I don't know if it was a tour or not.
If I do a full episode, which I probably will,
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because that is insane. How does that happen? They went
on a little snorkeling excursion to a barrier reef and
at some point the brother and the brother's wife look
over and they're just like John's gone. And you know,
when the divers go down they say they don't find anything,
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and they're like, oh, he's just with other guests that
threef Where the hell did he go? Like, like seriously,
unless like there's legitimately some sort of sea monster and
that's not meant as a joke. I mean, like something
we don't know about that just got him. Uh. I
don't know, because if someone were to were to come
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and take him out of the water, you know, I
feel like the brother and the and the brother's wife
would have seen a boat overhead, would have you know,
felt something in the water, something like see a commotion
if somebody's trying to take John out of the water,
because I imagine he would be like fighting and has
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snorkeling gear on and all kinds of other things. How
does one just disappear from like being right next to
people and they're seeming to be no outside influence. That
makes absolutely no freaking sense. It's believed that Angelo vanished
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from the ship on the evening of November twenty fifth,
two thousand and nine. He had reportedly gotten into an
argument with a senior member of staff on the boat
at around eight point fifteen that evening, Angelo returned to
the kitchen from the dining room, where he had been
speaking with two guests. He was seen entering an elevator
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that went to lower decks, and I hated saying that together, right,
like elevator, but they're going downward. I didn't like it.
They were going to areas that were only open to employees.
And there's no security filming of workplaces except for ship
casinos or non public areas on board and shipboard security
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cameras do not monitor restaurant dining rooms. Also, was just
never seen again. Yeah, no, no theories on what happened.
There's like I don't know he's gone, don't know what
happened to him. This is insane, right, Like this isn't normal.
This isn't normal. None of this is normal. Good lord.
I never I don't think I can go on another cruise,
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not trying to yuck anybody'syam, because I've been on a
whole lot of cruises and I did have fun, but like,
holy shit, I'm like, man, if you want to commit
a crime, like if you want to get rid of somebody,
just take my cruise. Never gonna get solved, Like truly,
I'm not trying to give anybody ideas, but I feel
like it would absolutely never be solved, like ever, they
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don't investigate at all. It's drowning or well they just
took off. Yeah, they liked it here. She likes it
in Alaska. She's never been no but she decided she
just gonna move there permanently and never talk to anyone
ever again. In two thousand and four, Annette Meisner vanished
on the last night of a nine day Mexican Riviera
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Cruz with her parents and daughter. Annett's beaded purse had
been found with some beads missing, and her family claimed
that it had been wiped clean. That's not good, And
a lot of focus on the investigation, from what I saw,
seemed to be focused on how many drinks that she'd had,
which duh, because you know the cruise lines, like how
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many drinks did she have? Was she drunk, did she
fall over? YadA YadA. They did everything but asked what
she was wearing, and no conclusion was ever come to,
which is just again an incredibly common theory. Like I
just said, you want to disappear, somebody, just go on
a cruise because apparently it's the wild West out there.
I mean, it's you know, maritime law that really truly is.
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It's insanity, insanely complicated, really truly like they were doing
everything they possibly could not to make it their fault,
which you know is obviously a defense attorney's job is
to defend their client and get creative in ways of
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bending legalities and language and precedent and whatnot and making
it somebody else's fault. Completely. It's like, no, we don't
have any responsibility. They weren't, you know, on our cruise
ship in the middle of you know, the ocean or anything.
We had no care of duty for them whatsoever. And
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when you sign cruise contracts, they're oh, holy hell, they're insane.
They say crazy things in there, like what they can
do and not do for you on board. It's it's
a messed up stuff. I found out kind of the
hard way on one cruise gone awry, and that story
for another time. While on board the Carnival cruise ship Destiny,
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Hugh fam Age seventy one and Hugh tran Age seventy
or sixty seven, excuse me, they disappeared between the islands
of Barbados and Aruba. And this was in two thousand
and five. The search and rescue mission was called off
in less than thirteen hours from the presumed time of
their disappearance. What really, they're like the sea gottom, the
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crack and gottom, giant squid, I don't know, underwater aliens
nessy in the Indian Ocean. Like they don't care. They're
just like, no, they're gone. It's been thirteen whole hours.
They're gone by, and you know they've been assumed presumed dead.
But the family is obviously still calling for more action
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because they're like that, No, that's totally unacceptable. Jason Rapp
and his wife Tyne went on a cruise with halland
America Cruise Lines in November of twenty twenty. They seem
to be having the time of their lives until one
night when Jason vanished. His family has been given no
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real information as to what happened or how or why
or who or any of the questions. All they know
is that he somehow went overboard. They should just put
on a T shirt, shouldn't they? His hat was found
on deck and that is literally it. That's all the evidence.
So those were the missing persons or like, I mean,
(44:28):
I don't even know if you call them a missing person,
they're like, no, they're dead. Like they don't even want
to just be like no, they're missing. It's like no,
they're straight up dead, Like that's the where the cruise
ship wants to go. Every time. They're like, they're dead.
It wasn't our fault. They jumped. It's like, no, they
didn't fall, they jumped. Like, Oh, I'm sorry. If you
heard that bottle, it just popped. It was a bottle
(44:51):
of water bottle that I had squeezed. It just popped open.
So if you heard that, don't be alarmed. It was
just a bottle goingoop. Okay. Uh. Moral of the story
that is a lot of people missing from cruise ships,
that the cruise ships were just like I don't know
what happened, and these people could very well still be
(45:11):
out there somewhere. Uh Like, really that's a possibility, and
they were just totally abandoned, quite literally, because there really
is a possibility. That's a lot of people. There's a
possibility that some of those people like were still in
the water or had made it to land or anything,
and they just called off like a search or just
(45:33):
didn't have one and were like they're dead. Okay, Like
you didn't find a body. You didn't really all of
that to say, Uh, keep your head on a fucking
swivel if you go on a cruise, good God, because
you know you always are like, okay, it could be
the husband, it could be the wife. Everyone could be.
(45:53):
But it was real quick of everyone to just be like, no,
he just gone. He went overboard. I found his hat.
It was on the deck. I'm not saying that she
pushed her husband overboard. Uh tye wrap or repay. I
don't know how she pronounces it, but I'm not saying
she pushed her husband overboard. I'm just saying, like that's
a possibility though, and they didn't even seem to consider it.
(46:19):
The older couple who disappeared from a ship, like what,
they disappeared between the islands of Barbados and Aruba. Like,
it's not like they were docked and they got off
the boat. He can't be like, oh no, they you know,
they just took off to start a new life. They
just wanted to ride the boat over here to uh Barbados,
(46:41):
and they decided to get off and never come back.
It's like, oh, okay, that makes perfect freaking sense, especially
in like two thousand and five. Again, like you weren't
online planning your move. You weren't online renting an apartment
or something like that, Like you had no information whatsoever
about that place, Like really, you know, it wasn't like
(47:03):
now I can get on I can just google, like
what is this neighborhood, like you know, near where I live,
and you get a whole breakdown and you get some
Reddit threads about the neighborhood and YadA, YadA, YadA. But
there was nothing like that then, So like they couldn't
have just gotten off a boat and stayed in a
(47:23):
different country Like that makes zero sense whatsoever in that
time period. Same thing with Amy, like she'd no voluntarily
absolutely not throw that out the window. That's idiotic, Like
why why would she have done that? The only sighting
of her that I found credible was David Carmichael, who
(47:45):
was able to describe all of her tattoos. I guess
the ones he could see. Anyway, he was able to
describe all the tattoos, he was able to identify her.
Watch her really like not at all common, extremely uncommon.
Watch That's the only credible sighting. There was a guy
(48:08):
at the bar, motioning to her looking irritated. According to
David Carmichael, that could have been, you know, again, her
pimp summoning her to the bar. I hate saying that works.
It sounds like I'm like shaming her just has such
a gross connotation, but you know that's what he's doing.
(48:28):
Like if they're at a bar and she's running over
to this guy for some reason, maybe she said, oh,
I'm gonna go over and you know, see if this
guy wants a date and old dude, her pimp is like,
she's staying over there too long. This guy's looking over
at me a whole bunch and motions for her to
come back, and he's like, I bet she's trying to
tell him who she is and try to get rescued.
(48:49):
So he calls her back. He's like, Nope, not happening.
And I don't know. That's the only credible sighting of
Amy I believe. But you know, as to where she
is now, I got no idea. I don't even want
to speculate because I don't want that to ever like
get back. Like, I know our family's not going to
hear this, but I don't ever ever want that to
get back to them, because they really seem like very
(49:10):
very nice people and a very nice family, and I
really just hope they you know, hope they heal and
just remember remember all the good they had, because you know,
in the Netflix documentary, like everybody said, they were just
the family like everybody wanted to be around. They were
the hangout house. They were so great, like everybody's relationships
(49:31):
were so close. They were so close to their parents,
like two adult children, like at the hardest partying ages,
you know, for American children or children I'm calling I'm
sorry twenty one and twenty three year olds. They're not children,
but you know what I mean, they're adult children of
their parents. They voluntarily like they wanted to go on
(49:52):
a cruise with their parents and sleep in the same
freaking room. That is a close relationship, like especially at
that age, Like I think that's like I don't know,
that's like what I aspire, you know, from my relationship
with my kids to be like it's just like, you know,
not like oh I'm the cool parent. There's no rules whatsoever,
and you can just disrespect me fully. It's no. I
(50:13):
just want to have like a really close, like honest,
fun relationship with my kids. But you know, they know,
you know, they know when to hold them and they
know when to fold them exactly right. Okay, And with that,
I'm gonna bid you at do you because I gotta
get up super duper early, which I'm actually really happy about.
(50:36):
I have less responsibility tomorrow, and I'm looking forward to it.
It'll be a little bit of a vacation for me
even though I'm working. Just with less responsibility, the stakes
are much much, much much lower. Ah, So I'm looking
forward to it, looking forward to it, really, all right,
all good things, all good things. If you like what
(50:56):
you hear, you can hear. I hope you like what
you hear. If you don't want me to do episodes
on edibles, give me just coming some slack, Okay. I'm
a human being, uh uh. And what I'm what I
take is perfectly legal. It's actually legal in I think
every state, at least a state that I'm in, it
is legal. Like it's just like it's just himp so
(51:20):
pooh on you if you don't like it. Anyway, if
you like what you here, and I hope you do,
maybe you will rate and review my little podcast if
you have Apple podcasts. If you would rate and review
on there, that would be great because that's the one that, like,
I've taken a hit on a couple of times with
(51:41):
you know, people not liking me having opinions. Don't have
any opinions, Just chalk clown. It's like what, I'm allowed
to have an opinion. You don't have to like it.
It's fine. I don't like really the only time I
give my opinion, I'll occasionally go off on a tangent,
as you well know, But if I give my opinion,
it's typically about the case, and yeah, I might have
(52:01):
a different opinion than you know the rest of everyone
who listens, you know what I mean. Like, never try
to be offensive. Never, I'm not going to keep going
with it. All that to say, if you like the podcast,
go over and counteract the couple of people who don't
like that I don't read like robot and you know,
(52:24):
insert my personality into my podcast that belongs to me,
and that I am the sole creative director for what
do you think of that? So if you do like it,
please give it a five star and write me a
fun little review and I'll start reading them on air,
like say something fun wish somebody happy birthday. That'd be cute, right,
(52:48):
I think so the saber Can. I'm gonna never do
that again. I apologize to you so very deeply. On
social media. You can find me on Instagram and threads,
at audio podcast on Facebook, at Autumn's Audits, at Patreon
at Autumn's Oddities. What about on Patreon? Think okay, picture it, Pacoima,
(53:11):
no picture it? Uh. We we get together like once
or twice a month on Patreon and like just have
like a little like cocktail party. But you know, I'm
calling it cocktail party, but it could be like you
take your gummy, you take your melatonin, and we all
(53:33):
just like get weird. Yeah, just like say weird stuff
like unmask fully, maybe watch some weird movie, like have
a screening. I don't know where I'm going with this.
I've got an idea. I got an idea, and I'm
gonna I'm gonna flesh it out a little bit. I'll
get back to you on it. This just came to me.
It's what I like to call a high dia and
(53:55):
it just came to me. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
work on it. We're gonna flesh it out. We're gonna
we're gonna fatten this baby up, pat it back to
you on it. So yeah, you can find me on
Patreon at autumns Odities, and as always, I appreciate you listening,
and remember, if it's creepy and weird, you'll find it here.
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