2 Religions Under 1 Church: Synodalism vs Catholicism

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The Catholic Church stands at a crossroads unlike any we've seen in generations. In this raw, unfiltered conversation, we dive deep into what's really happening behind the scenes of the upcoming papal conclave—and why it matters to every Catholic.

With cardinals gathering in Rome, we're witnessing what appears to be two distinct visions of Catholicism struggling for control under one roof. We break down the likely papal candidates and why there seems to be no true conservative option among them. While most cardinals signal a willingness to loosen restrictions on the Traditional Latin Mass regardless of who's elected, the deeper divisions within the Church may prove irreconcilable.

We explore the apocalyptic dimensions of our current moment, examining whether the Church is truly experiencing its own passion and death before resurrection—as described in paragraph 675 of the Catechism—or if we're simply in another difficult period that will eventually pass. The COVID shutdowns of churches, worldwide sacramental disruptions, and increasing doctrinal confusion all point to something unprecedented unfolding before our eyes.

Throughout our conversation, we maintain a commitment to speaking candidly about these challenges while remaining faithful to Catholic teaching. Unlike many Catholic commentators who seem reluctant to honestly assess Pope Francis' legacy, we're determined to examine the fullness of our situation without sugar-coating difficult truths. This independence allows us to bring you perspectives you won't hear in other Catholic media.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
SANTE MISERICANDO AMARE MORTI NECRADAS NOS IN TE
SPERA VERUM in taste fair of air.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Ooh yes smell like a rusted pot, very meaty, old
school, traditional spaghetti.
I'm gonna mix it together, giveit a fair shot.
It's cool, it looks black, butthe flavoring is white.
Oh, that's really good.
I need more flavor.
I mean, there is not aseasoning in sight.

(00:54):
Wow, that's like restaurantquality.
Good, I think it needs moreseasoning.
I think it needs the sauce.
You know, I want a little bitmore tomato paste.
I mean, ain't no lorries, nogarlic powder, no onion.
What is happening in this dish?
This is great.
This is an Italian spaghetti.

(01:14):
It's white, it's white.
I'm gonna give this a three.
I'm gonna give it a six.
Man, this is a solid nine.
You can taste the tomatoes likereally well on this.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's really good.
Ain't got no.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Lowry's?
Yeah, am I frozen for?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
you.
Right now I can't even see yourface, which is good, because I
saw your face and I hate it allright, I have to reboot my
computer.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
You can hear me right yes yeah, I think I gotta
reboot my computer.
You guys, I finally go on ontime and my thing's frozen.
Oh, this is awful oh no okay,okay, okay, okay, we don't have
to deal with this.
Rob comes on the screen in thegreen room.
He goes.
What the hell did you do toyour face?

(02:00):
oh man I you guys will get usedto it.
Settle down.
Oh man, so we got quite theexciting week that's been going
on.
We had a show without you theother night.
Yep man, I don't know, becauseI had Christian on.

(02:22):
I was super positive.
I'm like there's a lot of goodoptions out there.
We might be okay, nick, at theend of the show Nick's like
Anthony.
I'm really happy that.
Like you know, you were muchbetter than last time, so I
texted Nick earlier.
Nick, I'm gonna doom pill allnight tonight.
He might not want to come.
Um, yeah, I don't know.

(02:44):
Man, the more I think about itand the more I hear about these
guys, the more I'm just like itwill take divine intervention to
get somebody.
Good, yeah, it's gonna takedivine intervention.
Like there's no possible way abunch of gay men with no faith

(03:07):
are going to elect a holy popefor us I just don't see they
they might, if they think itgives them like the least amount
of trouble yeah, that's the manit is.
It is pretty crazy when youthink about what it was like
under francis for a lot of theseguys, like their lives were not
easy under him.

(03:27):
Right like the, the faithfulgave them hell, like they were
constantly upset with them andit was like like their lives
were.
But those are the regularbishops.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I don't know about the cardinals the cardinals the
cardinals have the largest archdioceses in the whole world,
like yeah yeah, I mean?
I mean not.
Not only do they have theconservatives slash orthodox
catholics mad at them, butfrancis didn't go as far as the
liberals wanted, so they werestill mad like there was no one.

(03:56):
That that's one thing, that is.
If one thing blackpills me,it's seeing all the fools on
twitter who pretend, like thelast 13 or 12, 13 years has been
good for any catholic.
Oh, come on, for nobody like no, no one.
No one's enjoyed the last 12 or13 it's been good for michael
lobton because he, because he'sable to make some money off of

(04:18):
it yeah, but even then he's hada you know bend over backwards
to try to square a circle, to doit yeah, it hasn't.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
It hasn't been easy at all and the um it's.
It's just like the, the thelast 12 years have just they've
just been like I was thinkingabout it earlier and I'm just
like god please, so.
So here's the thing.
There's, there's going to beconcessions made, right, like no

(04:48):
matter who gets in.
So I think even if we got aprogressive like I don't think
you're gonna hear the rigidstuff anymore, that's like
uniquely francis, right, like Idon't think we're gonna have the
condemnation calling us rigidfor following the, I don't think
we'll get that anymore no,francis was uniquely kind of a

(05:11):
never mind yeah, that's what Imean he was, he was a unique
character and that like he wouldcome down on.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
So he could be a real prick about things.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, like really like any.
Any time you got anything out ofhim, it was always like ragging
on the faithful it was a veryhuge thing and I do think there
will, even if you get like quoteunquote progressive guy in
there, like that, becausebecause we're going to read
through the remnant article andthe remnant article was

(05:43):
interesting because even eventhe way they're portraying
parolin, it's like they'reportraying parolin as the as the
conservative compromise andit's like this guy was awful
like he he, first of all, Idon't think he actually has a
shot like I really don't.
I think this is like they, allof these, all of these articles

(06:04):
we're seeing, all of these uh,leaks we're hearing.
I think all of those are psyopslike I think all of those are
trying to influence the conclavewell, of course they always are
.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I mean, that's just every political event, election
ever right and then throw peopleoff.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
They're trying to see what the what, what the
reaction will be from the publicif we hear that guy's going to
be the pope.
Like they are reading socialmedia and seeing how people
react to it.
But I do think parolin is toocontroversial, especially with
the china deal.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Uh yeah, that, yeah, they don't want to touch that
dude, not just that.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Like is that simony?
Yeah, right like 100 like that,like what he's guilty of.
Is simony like that?
And?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
now, the one thing, like you know, the france
defenders say is like, oh, theyhad to do it or there would have
been real persecution.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know the chinese church has been underground for
decades and decades.
It's like, you know, they, they, they were always better off
having the, the pope, back their, their plight.
I don't know why.
You know whatever, but it itdoes reek of simony to me, like
selling selling bishops offices.

(07:22):
I mean, the ccp ordained twobishops while there's while
there's an interregnum what,while those diocese already have
bishops?
oh my gosh, that's so crazy.
I didn't even know that.
So, like they're presentingpalin as this conservative
compromise, but what you'regetting leaks of is, uh, no

(07:44):
matter who gets in, I thinkthey're going to the two main
things they're going to back offof was fiducia, supplicans and
the tradition.
So, like we're now, parolinhates the Latin mass, but he
said he will.
I don't know if he'll do awaywith it if he gets in, but he
will modify it, which to melikely means they'll keep all

(08:08):
the rules in place, but anybodywho requests it from rome will
get we'll get permission it'slike okay, tradition is out, you
have to ask rome for permission.
Anybody that asks will get thatpermission.
So maybe, like did, do you knowif detroit went through with
all of those closures?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
well, I don't think it was scheduled until late
later, right?
So maybe they won't go throughwith those I don't know, I don't
, I really don't know um yeah,so look.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
So that's the good news is they'll probably are you
out officially now, by the way?
I think he is yeah.
I mean I think you make a, youmake a public profession of
faith at your confirmation right.
I don't think he has a choicebut to be out.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's true.
I just it's interesting, hecould literally be Pope now.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Um so like.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's the that's the good news is that those
restrictions might get loosened.
I think, yeah, I think, I think, no matter who we see as pope,
I think tc gets, like you said,loosened at least.
Yeah, I think if it's anyone, Imean, I think most of the top
candidates, even people liketagler might just toss it and

(09:31):
bring back some more pontificum.
Um, that wouldn't surprise mefrom really any of the top
candidates.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Like it really would release a ton of the anxiety
between, like the conservativesand that like it really would.
And I don't think these guysreally give a crap about it.
No, like I think they don't.
They think it's just some minorlittle.
It's like, why are we startinga war with that?
Because it wasn't just peoplethat attend the latin mass that
were upset about that.
It was any conservativecatholic who, like, respects

(10:00):
people that go to the latin mass, you know.
So this was a very big issuefor conservative catholics who
attend the novus ordo even yeahso it would like release some of
the tension in the church.
um, and, like I said, I don'tthink you're going to have the
accusations of being rigid asmuch.
So the good thing I'm seeing isthat, almost unanimously,

(10:24):
everybody that's even beingmentioned as Papa B-Light is
saying they're not going nearthe name Francis II, like
there's way too much baggagewith that name, so we're not
getting a Francis II.
No, but they are throwing thename John XXIV around, which
means the good Pope, right LikeJohn XXIII.
The moniker was the good Pope,right Like John.
The 23rd was the.

(10:44):
The moniker was the good Pope,like he was just a jolly joyful
man who literally set up thecouncil, destroyed everything,
but it wasn't really under him,it was under Paul the sixth
anymore, but come on, jay, thefirst that I could be tangled
doing something stupid like thatdoing something doing.

(11:06):
Wait, what name?
Luche the first.
So what we'll do is um, okay,so here's the deal for this week
.
We're gonna keep the show short.
Um, we're not gonna do a localstonight, but on saturday we
have father charles Murr comingon.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
And that's going to initially be locals and members
only.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Correct, and then we'll release that to the public
on Tuesday Tuesday, but wemight do it.
I think we're going to do ashow Monday and then we
definitely want to do a showWednesday, cause that's the
first day of the conclave.
Then we're going to kind ofplay it by ear.
So if we get a, we get whitesmoke.
I doubt we're getting itthursday, but if we get white

(11:49):
smoke on, on, on, I mean, I'msorry, I doubt we're going to
get it wednesday, but if we getwhite smoke on thursday, we'll
pop on thursday.
If we get white smoke on friday, we'll pop on friday.
Yeah, if it, if it goes longerthan that, we'll pop it on
Friday.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Anyway, There'll be some sort of news, right.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Speculation.
If this goes beyond Thursday,there's I don't know man,
there's a chance things getdeadlocked for a long time.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Maybe I mean so, if it's anything like the last two
elections, we should see whitesmoke on thursday, right?
Because yeah, the last coupleof elections have happened in
three to four ballots um the endof thursday.
We should see four would befour to five total ballots at
that point, so, but it has gonea lot longer in the past.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So yeah, they've had.
I mean, the longest one isthird is three years, and that's
when they made the conclaverules, where they locked them in
, where they because they werelike this is going on way too
long, so then they decided tolock them in and they were like
you guys ain't leaving until yougive us a vote, you know.
So even then you still hadsomething that went on 10 days,
11 days, things like that.
But since the council, the waythey've done it Tim Gordon

(13:12):
talked about this the waythey've done it is, in the first
round, the top three names.
Anybody that doesn't garner inthat top three or four, it might
be three or four.
If they're at place five, six,seven, they throw those names
out and they go.
You guys got to pick betweenthe top four.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
That's not in any of the rules.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's not in the rules , but that's how they've done it
.
That's how they got.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I think what it really is is those, those other
names usually tell theirsupporters, like you know, don't
, don't vote for me next time.
Vote for this person.
Things like that.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's Tim was saying like they just get rid of those
names and then it becomes a racebetween four, and then they
knock another name out, and thenit comes a race between four,
and then they knock another nameout, and then it comes a race
between three, and theneventually you get to two people
and you guys and they're likeyou guys got to just pick
between these two, yeah, andthen there's a lot of
politicking inside the conclave,what you know.
Whoever those supporters had,they start working deals and

(14:19):
figuring things out.
Yeah, like that first day, thatfirst wednesday, there will
only be figuring things out.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, like that first day, that first Wednesday,
there will only be at most oneballot cast right, cause they'll
get, they'll have mass, they'llget locked in.
They'll cast one ballot to see,like you said, who those names
are, and then they spend thenight more or less praying on it
, and then the next day therecan be up to four ballots that

(14:42):
day.
Hang on it, well, you, and thenthe next day.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
There can be up to four ballots that day.
Hang on it.
Well, you know, burke and Sarahmight, I don't know, man Like
it's.
It's one of those, one of thosethings where you just like not
one conversation have we heard,like we've heard.
There's been interventions bySarah and there's been
interventions by differentpeople, and all of them are
talking about like the problemsin the world and like what we're

(15:07):
facing as a people, but youalmost never hear anybody's
intervention talk about theimportance of the diocese of
rome keeping the faith right,like the importance of the
diocese of Rome staying faithfulto what was handed down to them
.
Watching from Sweden.

(15:28):
Please pray for my country,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Any specific reason why we should be praying for
Sweden?
I?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
don't know, and I wonder how much 50 sec is.
It's probably $3.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Is that Swedish kronor or something like that?
I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
What's the conversion rate?
Let me check owner or somethinglike that.
I don't know.
I don't know what's theconversion rate, let me check.
You know, like none of themtalk about the importance of the
, the diocese of rome being theroman sea and the importance of
it staying faithful and and likeyou think about the oath the
pope has to take and it's like Iwill not.

(16:04):
What is the papal oath?
Can you find that Like what isthe oath the Pope takes when he
takes when he assumes office?
I would imagine it's somethinglike you will not change what
has been handed on.
You know something massively.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
There is no formal standardized.
It's not no.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
That's crazy to me.
There's no papal oath.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
This isn't the US presidency.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, no, I know, but don't you think they would say
something about passing on onlywhat was handed down, something
like that?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
so there have been times where popes have made um
the different professions offaith or different commitments
during their like coronationceremony, which that coronation
ceremony was discontinued afterjp1.
Um, like there was a promissio,or yeah, promissio, during the

(17:06):
medieval times, but that's nolonger part of the process.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
And I would.
I would have thought therewould be some kind of like the
burden laid upon the Pope tomake sure he guarantees what was
passed on to him.
I don't know, maybe I'm nuts,yeah let's see, I'm trying to
see.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
So, like the typical, permissio during the um
medieval times includedcommitments to defend the faith
and doctrine, to maintainloyalty to, to secular rulers
like the frankish frankish kingsor holy roman emperors, to
protect the privileges to theroman clergy and people and to

(17:52):
ensure proper administration ofchurch affairs.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Post the Boy Scouts.
I'll do my best to do my dutyto God and my country and to
obey the scout law, to helpother people at all times, to
keep myself physically strong,mentally awake and morally
straight.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, too bad it wasn't to keep them
heterosexually straight.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Man, I don't don't, so all right, so today's a
little bit of doom pillingbecause, um, I'm reading these
articles and it's like there isno conservative candidate.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's like there's no traditional candidate.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
No no for sure.
No, I'm not even consideringthat.
Like I, at this point you thinklike what, what?
What do we do from here?
Right, and I'm kind of on theaccelerationist path at this
point.
It's like if you're not goingto give us the catholic faith,
like in its unadulterated form,and allow, like even I'm not

(18:51):
even saying like restore theRoman Rite and all that stuff,
I'm just saying like a Pope whobelieves the Catholic faith,
who's going to allow traditionto grow on its own naturally and
let it happen over time, likerestore it back to some more
pontificum and maybe you know acouple of other things the Pope
could do Like, if we're notgoing to get that, I almost, I

(19:15):
want, I want acceleration, thisthe sickness has to be cured and
there is no cure of thesickness until you diagnose it
properly.
Now.
There can be no resurrectionwithout a death.
This thing that I, somebodyvery close to me, recently

(19:35):
texted me and said I can't waituntil this, what was it?
I don't know what you'retalking about.
I don't remember offhand exactlyhow it went it was like I can't
wait until this thing is acatholic church.
Let me look it up.
Let's see the text, because robhad gone to an over that just

(19:56):
infuriated him and he was this,was he had a melancholic?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
dump, and he sent me a text that I was like I cannot
wait for the gay monstrositythat is currently larping as the
catholic church dies andignominious death okay, so
here's my question not the besttext to send on easter.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, here's my question to you, though, like I
know, you always say like I'mblackpilling, right and all that
.
But if, if, like, if you Ithink something intuitive in you
knows that's true what youtexted?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
well, I wouldn't text if I, if I didn't know, think
it was true.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
So intuitively you know that's actually true on
some level.
Like this thing, like whateverthis is, it's, it's, it's got
the, it's got the, the, thebells and whistles of
catholicism in some way rightwell, it's like what they say
about um progressivism will wearyour religion as a skin suit,

(20:54):
or something like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Like there is something wearing the Catholic
Church as a skin suit.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah.
So I don't see how you can'tsee what we're going through, as
what the catechism talks aboutin paragraph 675, that the
church will follow our Lord,like our final thing was going
to be.
The church is going to followour lord into his passion, death
, and then there'll be aglorious resurrection.
Now we can debate does theresurrection happen like right

(21:24):
away, or things like that, butlike it seems like we don't
think this is the end that'sfine, but like I don't know how
long that period lasts, like the.
If there's a resurrection, youwould think that resurrection
period is a decent amount right,but the thing that we're
looking at right now does needto die in order for there to be

(21:45):
a resurrection for sure.
So I'm kind of just in theposition where I just want to
accelerate the process, like Idon't want to drag it.
I don't want a mediocrecompromise pope yeah, I agree I
really don't.
I don't want to, I don't want amediocre compromise.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Look, and the thing is it here's the thing, though
I'd like I wouldn't mind onethat gives us the latin mass
back for at least a few years,where I can raise my kids in it
yeah, I know, that's the hardpart you know, like, like,
because I'm telling you rightnow, like driving four hours

(22:24):
round trip when we can to thetlm and then maybe sometimes go
to the nova soda when we can'tit's not working.
You know what I mean.
Like it's not too farspiritually healthy for my kids.
It's not gonna work long term.
So so either give us the lastmass long enough where I can
raise my kids, or let's burn itall the f down, like right now.

(22:46):
Yeah, so so that I don't knowit has to happen, rob, that's.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
That's the thing.
Like I understand the positionyou're in.
I get it.
It's like you're worried aboutthe spiritual health of your
children.
I like.
So I understand your hesitancy.
You're kind of like you're in.
You're in two worlds, like the.
The Catholic instinct in you islike burn it all down, but the
father in you is like no, I wantto.
I want my children to have theCatholic faith and be able to
experience the Catholic faith.

(23:14):
It's a rough situation to be in, rob.
If there is a collapse of thechurch that is coinciding with
the cusp of World War III, whatare the odds?
It's not the end.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Better than the odds are better.
It's not the end than it is theend, and I say that mostly just
because I think we're at theend of hollhauser's fifth fifth
age of the church, right, thefifth age started with the
reformation and it's gonna endwith more or less like the great
apostasy and some sort ofglobal calamity, where what will

(23:51):
rise will be you know what,what a lot of people call the
great, the great monarch and theholy pope, but some sort of
resurrection of the church, andthat will be the sixth age,
however long that is.
I mean, the fifth age has beenfrom 1500 till now, so 500 years
.
The previous four ages were,from you you know, 33 AD to 1500

(24:13):
.
So they're each about three to400 years.
So who knows how long the sixthage is going to be?
Could be a few hundred yearsuntil the end of the sixth age,
which is the end, right.
And the seventh age is themillennium.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
All right, well, jd, we didn't miss your super chat.
We'll get to it, because I wantto talk to Rob about this for a
sec.
So okay, so that's a possibility.
Like listen, all the thingswe're talking about are
speculative, like all of it'sguessing right, like it's not,
it's not.
Like that's why it's actuallyokay to have a difference of
opinion on this, because there'sno way to know which one of us
is right.

(24:49):
I just don't see how what we'regoing through is not the
passion of the church at thispoint, especially if we're going
to get another progressive Pope, like it has to be, of course
you, you say that now becauseyou you haven't seen what comes
after yet.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Right, Of course we haven't.
That's the future.
Yeah, but I think all thepeople who have lived through
previous bad times in the churchat the time were telling
themselves this is the worstit's ever been.
It can't get maybe yeah, no, no, I, I yeah okay but and I'm not
saying that we're, we're not ata point yeah, that isn't worse

(25:24):
than it's ever been, because Ido think it is yeah but let's
not kid ourselves and saythere's no way it could get
worse than this.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
So this oh no, we could get way worse.
It's going to get way worse, Ithink.
I think it's going to get wayworse, but I think of the
symbolism of the.
Okay.
So there's a few things.
One is that there's no moreholy roman empire at all and
there's not even any claimantsto it.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, so like there are claims on, they're
definitely very, very far, yeah,very far removed, but I guess.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So, um, so, but there's no holy roman empire
anymore at all.
And and the catacomb?
All the fathers saw thecatacomb as something to do with
the roman empire.
Right now the church does takethe place of the roman empire,
like Like, the church is the newRome, but there's something
about Paul VI laying down thepapal tiara and then the

(26:19):
subsequent popes.
We've had since just kind of afurther and further degradation.
Now I'm not saying it can't getway more degraded and that
can't be stretched over a courseof years.
Be stretched over a course ofyears because I'm sure the
people in the time of thecouncil, I'm sure lefebvre,
thought he was living throughthe end and it's gone on another

(26:39):
60 years since he's gone.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I don't think he did I.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know that for sure, though, but I'm saying I
mean what he was watching thepope in assisi worshiping
foreign gods.
Essentially, there's no way hewasn't thinking apocalyptic, you
have to realize.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Anthony always covers every side of the issue so
whenever it happens he can pointback and say see, I was right,
he's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
No, listen to me.
Here's what it is.
I'm working these things out inmy head, so I'm bringing them
to the show as I'm workingthings out in my head, right?
So I'm bringing them to theshow as I'm working them out in
my head.
Now, if here's, I'm also veryamenable to people when they're
on.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I've seen anthony switch back in literal minutes
too.
I've seen him folk.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I've seen him smoke force chain, smoke four cigars
and had eight differentpositions on the same subject
all in two hours you're notwrong, I'm not denying it, but
what I'm saying is I'm veryamenable to like if somebody
else is presenting theirposition to me right.
So we had christian on lastshow and christian like liked
pope francis and stuff, and theshow before we had kale on and

(27:47):
kale's reminiscing about theglory days and the glory days of
assisi yeah, yeah, like all theglory days of, like the of the
jp2 era.
So, thanks, lad, you're doing agreat job.
What did he say?
Uh, you're doing a great job ina service for us here and on x,
lots of brilliant insights.
Well, the the thing is we'rebeing honest and we're bringing
this to you guys.

(28:07):
I want to cover jd's.
Uh, uh, oh, sorry, you want toyou pull it up hold on this one,
okay what do you think ofgordon's udg paragraph 81 being
put into effect due to austinivory's book spilling the beans
on invalid conclave thesis?
so what's interesting about thatis austin ivory responded to.

(28:29):
So tim shoots a tweet at umcard Burke listing like this is
where you can say that thebishop of the cardinals that
elect Jorge Bergoglio and JorgeBergoglio himself heard late

(28:58):
sentencia, uh, excommunications.
Because they, uh they, theyboth agreed to this before the
conclave.
So they basically picked theircandidate before the conclave
and there was an agreementbetween the two sides that now,
if you read dominici greg is itflat out says that's an
excommunicable.
Okay, austin ivory details thisin his first edition of his book
and then he must have gotten atalking to and somebody must
have said to him dude, youliterally blew our spot, like

(29:21):
that's actual evidence that wedid this.
So he releases a second editionof his book getting rid of all
those details tales.
So tim puts this paragraph outto cardinal burke and austin
ivory responds to tim and saysno, the second edition came out
because I was corrected.
I made mistakes in the firstedition.
So calvin robinson sees timtweet at um, I'm playing with

(29:45):
both sides so I always come outon top.
So calvin robinson sees timtweet this and he says tim, tim,
cardinal Burke does not readTwitter, but I know him Write an
email and I will get it Wait.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
who said that?
Calvin Robinson.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
So Tim writes up this whole thing and Tim wants
Cardinal Burke, cardinal Seurat,all of the JP2 and Benedict
Cardinals who did not incur thisexcommunication Because there
are some who are still in the StGallen Mafia all around, and
Benedict Cardinals who did notincur this excommunication
because there are some who arestill in the St Gallo Mafia all
around like none of them but anyof the JP2 Benedict Cardinals

(30:21):
to get together Tuesday, becausethat'll give you the nine days
between the death of the Pope,so it will be canonically valid
and get together and just layout.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Hold a separate conclave.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, he wants a separate conclave.
That's not going to happen, buteven for posterity's sake, to
have a meeting and at least getthe evidence down, because if
you look to um, what's his name?
Um, who's the guy who's alwaystalking about the death penalty?
Who's the guy who's alwaystalking about the death penalty?

(30:55):
Francis, he's dead.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, no no, On the other side talking about it.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Who are we talking about On Twitter?
On Twitter, Well yeah, he's atheologian who's always talking
about the death penalty Ed Faser, Ed Faser.
Exactly so Ed Faser says theCatholic Encyclopedia.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Everyone says Rob.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Who's talking about the death penalty?
So ed phaser writes.
The catholic encyclopedia tellsus that pope honorius was much
respected and died with anuntarnished reputation.
Yet, as it also reminds us, 40years later he was condemned as
a heretic by the sixth generalcouncil and by and by pope leo
ii, who pronounced weanathematize the inventors of
the new error, includinghonorius, who did not attempt.

(31:35):
Anathematize the inventors ofthe new era, including Honorius,
who did not attempt to sanctifythis apostolic church with the
teaching of apostolic traditionbut, by profane treachery,
permitted its purity to bepolluted.
What matters in the long run iswhether a pope unambiguously
upholds Catholic tradition, notwhat a world that hates that
tradition thinks of him duringhis lifetime.
Popes should remember this,this Cardinals too.
So Gordon's point is let's atleast have an investigation

(32:00):
started on Tuesday before theconclave starts.
Initiate the investigation thisway here.
If you get like, a superliberal comes in and they think
the shenanigans at the conclave,that investigation was at least
started.
They could present it and theycould talk about maybe what is
that called?
When you with a pope, I forgotwhat the name of it is Like.

(32:26):
When you, when you, they wouldtry to censure him or something,
I forgot what the actual nameof it is, so, but I so like it
sounds crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right, like these guys are not going to do that
that I mean we're talking abouta group of men who, when they
had criticisms, wrote underpseudonyms, not just that like,
come on, guys, they're not gonna.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Cardinal burke, no, well, listen here.
Cardinal bur Burke also said ifFrancis persists in his errors,
we will have a formalcorrection, right?
They present the dubia.
The dubia doesn't get answered.
Yeah, I mean.
But because of all those thingsand I think they were kind of
backed into a corner becausethere was universal acceptance

(33:10):
of Francis, I think if they sentshenanigans at this conclave
they will not let universalacceptance happen like I just.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I just think that they've been through too much I
know what you're saying the mostornery one there and, like you
just said, he didn't do anythingthe thing is, do we have
normalcy bias?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
honestly like, because these things do happen
in church history and Iunderstand your position like
it's like these guys suck, theseguys just suck.
Yeah, that is my position,summed up these guys suck and
you're running, you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You're not wrong like these guys suck there was a
time when the cardinals right,the princes of the church.
They came from noble families.
They had noble blood, noblelineage.
They were raised as nobles,they had pride.
Right now, they're just freak,they're, they're just
functionaries.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, there's no pride, there's no backbone yeah,
you had the same familiesgetting popes into office for
centuries, you know, yeah, itwas.
It was always those samefamilies like uh for for
centuries.
You know you had the sforzas,the sforforzas, the Dola Rover,

(34:36):
a's, the freaking, like theywere all, just always starts
with an O.
Orsini.
Yeah, orsini, like all thoseguys were just, it was one from
one family, one from another,one from you know, and they
would bounce back and forthhaving these rivalries.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
The.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Medici's got a few popes in there freaking, yeah,
like it's borja.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
So there's borja saints yeah francis borja say
francis for borja.
You know how base would havebeen if, if, if bergoglio gets
elected and says I'm gonna takethe name Francis, they're all
like a CC and he's like noBorgia.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
That would have been funny.
So you're right, but I'm justthinking we have normalcy.
Bias man, if you'd have said in2019, next year, the world's
going to be locked down in apandemic and we're never going
to leave our houses Shut up.
That's so dumb.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Right.
But if you had said that'sgoing to happen because a bunch
of government functionaries area bunch of pansies, basically, I
would have said, okay, yeah,maybe you're right about that.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, because what we're talking about is courage
here.
What we're talking about iscourage like.
What we're talking about is iscourage, right, and and having
the courage to get up and butman, these guys are ending their
, these guys and and likenearing the end of their lives
it's true like this might betheir last best chance, right so
backed in a corner.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Who knows what they might do.
I'm not.
I'm not gonna say it's notpossible, yeah it's very
far-fetched, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Like I talked to tim today after the show, I was like
I.
The only thing I can tell you,tim, is I hope I hope you're
right about normalcy bias, butlike the whole theory just seems
very far-fetched.
But he's just like dude, thinkabout what we lived through the
past 12 years and just look atchurch history.
These crazy things havehappened in church history.

(36:35):
You just think they can'thappen in your time because you
just I.
So much of it is demoralization.
We've just been so demoralizedover the past 12 years and
that's part of which is exactlywhat he wanted, in my opinion
yeah, man, there's so.
There's so much that can happen.
And then, on top of that, let'sbring up the Kwasniewski tweet,
because this is what we're upagainst.

(36:56):
This is such a good tweet byKwasniewski.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I don't know how he was able to tweet it out after
writing three or four bookstoday.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, he's pretty crazy, that guy.
It was a brilliant tweet,though.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Let me get it up here .

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And this was like the title of our show.
So here's the reality Twochurches pretending to be one
Bishop one.
To me it is heartening how manyyoung people are drawn to
classic Catholic practices thatso effectively express
transcendent realities.
What is classically Catholicworks.
It's time to rebuild withconfidence on a solid foundation

(37:37):
, including on our knees inreverence before our Lord Jesus
Christ.
Bishop two those who do notreceive communion on the hand
commit an act of pride.
He thinks he is wiser than thePope and the bishops who have
decided that communion is to betaken in the hand.
Please be humble and obedientto the church.
This is the pope's planersversus the trads dude, and these

(37:57):
are two bishops under the samechurch.
It is very hard for me to argueagainst the anti-church thesis.
Like the ape of the churchthesis, right.
Like it's kind of hard to argueagainst it.

(38:18):
It's like there's it goes backto that first show we have with
Joshua Charles talking about thebody of Christ and the body of
devil overlapping inside thechurch.
Like the body of the devil arethe nonbelievers.
But some of those nonbelieversare in the church, baptized
Catholics, and they hold highpositions in the church.

(38:39):
So you have the body of christand, within it, the body of the
devil.
I'm telling you, when I look atthese men in rome, so many of
them are that they don't believein god rob right you don't have
to tell me dude, you're talkingabout men who are justifying
sodomy, like the things they aretrying to justify Like.
do not tell me these men believein God.

(38:59):
They believe in the God of thePharisees, which is what we've
been leading up to this wholepast few months right Theodore
McCarrick's best friend leadingthe whole thing.
Dude, and these guys, theyworship their father, the devil,
yes, and they put on the cloakof religiosity.
I mean, dude, this is what thePharisees did.

(39:21):
So, dude, I see thistypologically and I'm just like
man.
How are we not in that time?
Now I'm not saying two yearsfrom now, the world ends, it's
not.
I'm just saying like this thinghas progressed since the
council.
There has just been a wreckageupon us, and the last 12 years

(39:43):
were a very big piece of thatwreckage, and I think that it is
going to be our job, if thereis a progressive pope, to remind
people that this is in thecatechism, that this is actually
foretold it as part of catholicteaching, that what we are
witnessing is actually in likethis is this is how god forges

(40:09):
us in our faith.
You're going to see the churchtreated as christ was when he
was scourged at the pillar.
That will be the shape of thechurch.
The church is going to bedecimated in its glory.
There's going to be no earthlyglory for the church, and I
think, if that is that look, I'mnot saying that's definitely
what's going to happen therecould be some kind of

(40:30):
restoration with the next pope,but if not, this is what all of
us need to prepare for, becauseit's a very big possibility.
What we are living through isapocalyptic and I'm tired of
people saying I'm crazy forthinking this.
It's very, it is a possibility.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
It's always a possibility.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
It's a possibility and and, but to dismiss it is
crazy, in my opinion, like,especially when you sent me that
text the other day, like Ican't wait until this.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
That one or the one where it's interesting that all
the bishops, cardinals, aregoing to be gathered in Rome
while India and Pakistan mightuse nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Third secret of Fatima time right Like there's a
lot of different possibilitieshere.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Wipes out the city of Rome.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
There's a lot of different possibilities that
could happen here, but I amtelling you guys that what we
could see is what not just thecatechism, but what Benedict
talked about, and that's in thatradio address that the church
is going to lose all of herprivileges in society.
It's going to just be decimatedand it's going to be rebuilt

(41:33):
and that resurrection will occurby those of us that keep the
faith through that, because weknow this, we know it's true,
but it's going to be.
You think about all the peoplethat had the Catholic faith,
that lost it on the Francis.
Like, seriously, like thinkabout how many people left the
church.
They went to Orthodoxy, theywent here, they went there.
Like they lost their faithtotally.

(41:55):
We all know somebody that leftunder Francis.
He destroyed people's faith,especially like these Pope's
planers.
Their entire faith is builtupon worshiping the Pope.
Yeah, and now, if you have aPope who denies Christ like
Peter did, it's not like, it'sunprecedented, it literally

(42:20):
happens in the Gospels.
I'm just, I, just I'm tellingyou that what, what, what it'll
be is.
It is going to be on us to tothe, to the like, whoever
watches our show and is on boardwith this thesis, like we.
It is going to be on us to keepour loved ones in the Catholic
faith, like all of us are goingto have that responsibility.

(42:41):
Everyone you know in your lifethat is Catholic, they're going
to have that responsibility.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Everyone you know in your life that is Catholic.
They're going to have theirfaith tested in ways you cannot
imagine.
I think it's unlikely the nextPope's going to be as bad as
Francis.
I hope so.
Even if someone is terriblelike Perlin or Tagle.
I think they know not to be asbad as Francis.
Well, like I said, I don't thinkthey're going to ridicule the
faithful, but that doesn't meanthey won't be caving into the

(43:07):
pressures of the world, no surelike you're talking about very
weak men yeah, but once again,that's no different than what
it's been since 1958 yeah, maybe, yeah, okay, but not not where
they're caving into everypressure from the world.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
You know, I, I just, I just like we always think, oh,
how much worse could it get?
It could get worse and we andit very well could I I don't
think there will be hostilitytowards us like, like there was
on the francis though yeah, thatis a benefit.
Like I don't think you can hearthe constant ragging from the
pope about lace and all the craphe said to us.

(43:46):
Man, I think that will be over.
I pray that that's over, but weall just have to be prepared
for whatever comes, becausewhatever comes, it's in God's
plan.
God knows exactly what'shappening and it's part of
salvation history and we may beliving through what the
catechism talks about.
Yeah, like, what happens whenthe next world?

(44:12):
That's what.
That's another thing, right?
I think the worst thing francisdid in his papacy was not the
ragging of the of the faithful,it wasn't even freaking fiducia
supplicants.
It was caving to the pressuresof the new world order on that
shop and telling Catholics theyhad to get it.

(44:33):
So what happens when the nextcrisis comes?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Even the shot I don't think was as bad as allowing
diocese all across the world toclose to the sacrament, but
that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
No, that's what shutting the sacraments down
like.
Shutting the sacraments downcould have been a portend,
because it talks about in thebook of Daniel how the holy
sacrifice will stop For threeand a half years.
For three and a half years,right.
So we didn't get that underCOVID, but it was months.
How long was everything shutdown?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Uh, here where I am.
Uh three, three to four months.
I think everything was back tonormal by July.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Three and a half months.
Huh, that's literally what youjust said.
It's a little mini apocalypsewe went through.
I'm just saying, if you don'tsee that as a type and with the,
the ending of the sacraments,comes this thing where they're

(45:38):
telling you you get this or youcan't buy or sell anything, come
on, man, tell man, tell me, I'mcrazy.
You have normalcy bias.
Yeah, because that's what?
That's not normal, rob.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yes, it is normal.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
What happened there was not normal.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
What is?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
normal is normal.
That was not normal.
Shutting down the sacramentshas never happened worldwide in
church history.
There might have been manyenclaves of it during pandemic
outbreaks, and I mean it alsowasn't worldwide during covid.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
It was all across the us and a lot, of, a lot of
places, but it wasn't worldwide.
Really, yeah, I'm pretty surethe whole world shut down for
covid dude.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
New york city is not the whole world shut up.
No, but I dude, the whole worldwasn't every dioces.
New york city is not the wholeworld shut up no, but I dude the
whole world wasn't everydiocese in the world no, I'm
sure there were a few and maybethere was some countries that
had less restrictions, but itwas.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Covid was a worldwide pandemic sure, but not every
diocese in the world shut down,so no, but it was.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I would say it was more did than didn't, more, more
did than didn't Maybe.
So I mean you're kind ofnitpicking.
Yeah, I'm just saying you'rekind of nitpicking, I am.
You're being contrarian, rob, Iknow you're not, I know I am.
Let's see 30 minutes for 8.81USD again Ah, the benefits of

(47:02):
weak currencies.
For 8.81 USD again Ah, thebenefits of weak currencies.
So I'm I can't, I don't knowman, like I had, because I
talked to Kale about thisyesterday and I'm like so the
problem is Kale and I both grewup with end-of-the-world trauma.

(47:25):
Like I've told this story.
My mom both grew up with end ofthe world trauma.
Like I've told this story.
My mom thought the end of theworld was coming.
She was seeing and, like wewent through in 2017, we were
all looking at the Fatimaprophecies again and we're all
like, oh my gosh, the world's init and it didn't end.
Like none of it happens, right.
So you're like, oh man, I'mdone checking all these, done
checking all these, like I'm notchasing these prophecies

(47:47):
anymore.
But dude, fatima has not cometo fruition yet and it's going
to, and we don't even know whatthat means, though unfortunately
, well, you think about, evenlike our city in ruins, right
like you look at all these menat the conclave right now, man,
that's a pretty spiritually deadcity.
That's a city in ruins,spiritually speaking.

(48:08):
The majority of the men runningthe church are you doing
exegesis on?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
on, just on visions we don't even like, we don't
even have the actual secret to.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I'm just saying it's like you could.
You could see it as spiritualdevastation, you know, and it's
I I just actually devastated for70 years.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
What's different now?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
yeah, what's different now?

Speaker 1 (48:36):
we just survived 12 years of francis and we're
looking at what's coming next isrome more devastated now than
it was in 1945, when bombs wereliterally raining down on Pius
XII?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
That's true.
Yeah, it's more spirituallydevastated now.
I think back then they had thefaith, at least you know.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I know, yeah, he's such a naysayer.
Guys Rob's just a nothing everhappens.
Guy rob's just uh, nothing everhappens.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Guy I am, nothing ever happens guy, because,
generally speaking, nothing everhappens except things do happen
.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I mean, they literally do.
We've had world wars.
Are you talking about?
We're just talking about covid.
Covid, was something happening?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
covid was reacting to nothing happening.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
The virus itself wasn't the thing.
The reaction was the thing.
That was something happening.
You know, it's like things,crazy things happen in the world
.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
But once again, COVID was nothing compared to the
Spanish flu, which started inKansas and wasn't Spanish.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
But the world reaction to it was nothing.
It was like all right, let thisthing play out.
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
No, the world reaction to the Spanish flu was
not nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I really don't know the history of it, I'm just
saying.
I know that's why, that's whyyou think, why you think the way
you're thinking right now maybeI don't think so, though like I
don't, of course, you don't Idon't think so because I know
the story of salvation history.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
That's why and I don't you only know what's
happened so far yeah, that'swhat I mean, though, like I
understand so it looks like it'sall leading to right now, but
that's only because you can'tsee the actual end point.
Okay, right, maybe that endpoint is right now, but if it's
a thousand years in the future,if you knew that, you know you

(50:38):
still think we're coming to theend of something, right, yeah,
all right.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
So let's just talk about the end of that.
It doesn't have to be the endof the world, like it doesn't
need to be the end of the world,but it does need to be the end
of this thing masquerading asthe catholic church.
yes, it needs to be changedthere like it needs to be,
because people are not likewhat's the point of the church
if it's not actually, if it'snot actually going to be the

(51:03):
catholic church?
Like the catholic church is thecatholic church and if it's not
actually going to be theCatholic Church, the Catholic
Church is the Catholic Church.
And if it's not being theCatholic Church, there has to be
something.
Dude, I look at it like God.
He's not a loving father if hedoesn't do something about it.
He's just allowing us tolanguish and he's not concerned

(51:24):
with the salvation of souls.
He's just allowing us tolanguish and he's not concerned
with the salvation of souls.
If he just lets this continuein this state, where it's like
you know, like the church is tobe visible and like there's
things about the church that arejust, I mean, they're still
there, we still have the fivemarks of the church there, but
there's this other thing, likein it, you know, and it's just,

(51:47):
there's a.
You guys are sick in the chat.
It's so sick.
Um, yeah, uh, let's Ooh.
Somebody said wait.
I love this show when there's aguest that makes Anthony drop
his boomer experience.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I mean you that makes Anthony drop his boomer
experience on takes.
I mean we really could havelike a boomer Protestant on
right now in a town just aboutthe same.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Would it?
Would it?
I don't know?
You guys tell me, you guysthink I'm nuts.
I don't know, I'm just, I don'tknow man, I don't know.
I think everything is leadingup to something.
It feels like we're coming tothe climax of a story.
Either way, I'm just, I'm notconcerned.
I'm not saying you should beconcerned.
You're sure acting like weshould all be concerned.
Oh no, I'm telling you what Ithink our role will be if that

(52:40):
happens.
That's all.
If we get a bad pope, I thinkit's going to be extremely
important for those of us whohave the faith to comfort the
people who are loose in theirfaith, and they definitely isn't
getting left behind when therapture comes I don't know you
guys, I don't.
You guys could think I'm nuts, Idon't care.
The problem is I need, like ajoshua charles on here to can't

(53:03):
have rob just always knocking mytheories down.
It's not healthy for me.
That's why I do it, because itactually is healthy for you.
No, no, no, no.
I like to dream big, Rob.
Oh man, I know Todd's on boardwith me.
Conspirator becomes reality,Todd, a few short years later.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
In the end.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
you're still Tard, though I can't believe I missed
that whole conversation, by theway, which one On?
That word, the Sede supportsyou.
I know it doesn't help, italways helps.
You're my favorite Sede by far.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Oh, Sede Picante is going to be so disappointing.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
He's not even in the running.
Stop it.
Not even in the running, aaron,oh I missed that one.
This one, the rapture willhappen on stream, leaving Rob
staring at an empty wicker.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Anthony's baby face just disappears and his hoodie
just sits there for half asecond before falling.
I'll just be like, oh, I waswrong.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
You guys can all make fun of me, I don't care, I
don't care.
I bounce between these twopositions Because I don't know.
I literally don't know, but Ican't help my mind from going to
these places.
Um, I'm, I'm constantlythinking that's what I'm seeing.
And then I talked to somebodywho kind of tempers it, right,

(54:38):
like I talked to Rob and Robtempers it, but I still think
Rob's wrong.
He's tempering it and I'mbacking down a little bit from
what I want to say because Idude, I don't know, I just I, I,
I, I'm.
I think you haveapocalyptophobia me.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yeah, I think you have apocalyptophilia.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Apocalyptomania.
I'm a bit of anapocalyptomaniac, I am.
I'm a little bit, but I thinkthat there's plenty of signs to
I mean you talk about.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
You say I have apocalyptophobia, but I have a
room full of dehydrated food asafe full of guns.
Another room full of ammo fooda safe full of guns, yeah
staying to say the grace andstock up on ammo and I'm fine
apocalyptophobia.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I think they should have a freaking cadaver synod
with frances after he's gone,like I want to have.
I want to see some highlightsin church.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I want to live through some crazy stuff in
church history well, okay, thenwe can't just have one right,
because that's already been doneyou think we got to take all
the post-conciliar?
Line them up.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
You all suck I have to say, man, my my opinion on
everything, since the councilhas been so I was listening to
you.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Know what, though?
The normies would be soinsufferable if we dig them up
and like they're all incorruptoh my gosh, can you imagine I
quit I'm.
I won't be able to handle this.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Oh my gosh, if we dug all the freaking post-conciliar
pumps up and they look likethey just, they're right,
they're right.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
They get all of them up except JP one, cause that
poor man was murdered.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Well, we're going to talk to father Murr about that
on Saturday.
Um, okay, so I was listening to, oh, I was listening to.
Oh, okay, I was listening to.
Oh.
If you didn't see my lastcomment, I also want to say you
guys helped me go through aperiod where I considered
suicide and wasn't talking to myfriends, so thank you for
helping revitalize my hope.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Jens, that that's beautiful, first off, like well,
I won't be quitting anytimesoon, because you can't after
reading something like that no,and I look, look, rob, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I really do think the people that watch this show
regularly just feel like they'rehanging with us.
There's not another show thatinteracts with their audience
like we do.
There's not right.
Not a Catholic show, at least.
I don't know if there's othershows, but nobody else is
literally scrolling.
This was his previous one, bythe way, I run Catholic.

(57:29):
No way, no way.
Trendy runs the Catholic Coleaccount, all right let's see
Then.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
why are you here?
Every Sean says I don't want tohang out with men in their
thirties.
Why are you here?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Every show.
Who do you want to hang outwith?
Who do 30s?
Why are you here every show?
Who do you want to hang outwith?
Who do you?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
mean sean's my age, isn't he?
No, I'm pretty sure he's azoomer oh, he's a zoomer.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Oh, okay, okay, all right, hi, I don't know if
you'll see this in time, but Iwas watching, uh, you and rob.
Oh, I was watching and rob wastechnically wrong.
There was a papal oath in themiddle ages which many popes
made.
You can find it in this linkbelow to the Angeles Press
Magazine article by FatherChristopher Daniel.
So let's see.

(58:14):
Ah, very funny.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Sean Trindy, you might need to talk sean down now
after that, I don't know whythis article's not popping up.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
It's taking some time to load.
Um, yeah, so like what?
What I, I don't know, I I'llalways like if, if an idea of
pice of the coin is feels likehanging out, it feels like just,
it feels just like I'm lettingreligious hippie talk bad about
men in my own living room um I'mI'm always going to not be

(58:55):
certain of what my ideas are andI'm going to try to hammer them
out on air because I needsomebody to talk to them about.
Like I can't just have thesethings in my head, so like I'll
just randomly call someone yes,he will and hammer that, like
I'll call rob or I'll call bobbyor I'll call, I'll just
randomly call.
So I'll be like this is whatI'm thinking and I'll just go on
a 20 minute rant and rob willjust go, bobby will entertain it

(59:20):
I'm gonna say here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I know.
You actually call me aboutstuff like this less than you
call me Now, because you're sucha Debbie Downer.
You tell me no, too much.
I'm going to call Bobby insteadthe world's not ending.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
You suck, rob.
I don't want to talk about theend of the world.
He's so positive, I hate it.
I'm so positive, yeah, itdrives me nuts.
He's positive in hiscontrarianism.
It's annoying.
I want somebody that's going todoom whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I want somebody to doom Bill with me.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Anthony is so uncertain about everything he
doesn't even know if he isItalian or North African.
I'm Italian, but I'm not surethere's a a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
The funny thing is, we both know is if, like that, a
doom pimp, doom pilling, youwere one of those annoying white
pillars, I'd be tearing youdown oh for sure you would just
go against me, no matter what Isaid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I saw it the other day on like, especially on
twitter.
I was watching like you went tokyle, like he was just going at
everybody okay, okay, okay, butyou liked what I tweeted for
sure I even reiterated it yeahbut even when I'm, even when I'm
contrarian against somebodylike I know how to say it where

(01:00:43):
they don't think I'm insultingthem oh yeah, I like to make
sure they know I'm yeah so soall right, so that, but that
really does.
When you say something againstsomebody, they think you don't
like them.
They're probably right.
No, stop it, knock it off.
I know you like kyle, oh, yeah,yeah, I know you like Kyle.

(01:01:06):
Well, kyle put a tweet out andhe said Catholic media is
mediocre because so many peopleare doing it part-time.
We need more.
Yeah, that is the dynamic ofthis show.
Nick got kicked for whitebuilding, not wrong, that's not
what happened.

(01:01:26):
Nick's still with us.
There are some yeah, he didn'tdie.
No, there are some times whereI want to go down this road and
I just see Nick gettinguncomfortable in his chair.
So it's like, all right, letyou know, I got to go down this
road sometimes, so so, kyle saysJeff, putting him on and really
getting nick uncomfortable inhis chair.

(01:01:46):
Oh my gosh, that was a rough one, that was hard so kyle said
catholic media is mediocrebecause people are doing it
part-time.
If they did it full-time wewould have media, catholic media
, excellence and rob unloaded onkyle no, really, I just said
I'd rather be mediocre than losemy soul yeah, and I said this

(01:02:07):
is actually like the worst takeever, like you were actually
more harsh about it than I wasyes, but then in the in the
comments afterward I was.
I was like making sure kyle knewthis wasn't an attack on him,
it's just the position he tookwas absurd.
Uh, anthony, match my currentsalary and I'll be a full-time
e-maker.
Uh, I don't know what yourcurrent salary is, but I don't

(01:02:30):
know if me and rob can afford itI don't think so.
The um, me and rob have talkedabout this.
That's why me and rob both cameout on.
Like very rarely do me and robagree, but we both agree, you
don't?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
want to be someone's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
You don't want to be a professional catholic like not
, where you're dependent on thatincome because it you'll do
things for that money that youwill feel dirtier for, like you
just we.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
We hit 30, like we doubled right in three months or
whatever it was.
We hit 30 000.
We're like no, we gotta pull up.
Yeah, we gotta we pull back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, it's like you know, like we were obsessing on
how well clips were doing, likebecause we were having clips
that were doing 30 000, 40 000views and like.
Then we found, like, when aclip would only do like I knew
it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I knew someone was gonna hear that too.
I heard that I'm like, oh,they're gonna clip that when,
when we would get a clip, thatwould only do 8,000.
I knew someone was going tohear that too.
I heard that I'm like, oh,they're going to clip that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
When we would get a clip that would only do 5,000 or
4,000, we'd be like, oh, thatone didn't do that.
Good, we got on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I started making really good but bad thumbnails,
knowing they would.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Thumbnails are tricky , man, you don't want to get so
over the top with them, butpeople don't click them if
they're not a little sensational.
So it's a delicate game youhave to play.
So we wound up just after thatrush result we got in 28 days at
one point.
We had 12,000 new subs in 28days at one point and right now

(01:04:08):
it's back down to like 400 orsomething.
It's like dropped offdrastically 650.
650, something like that.
Because we were both like Ican't live like this where I'm
checking to see the thing howmany views we got.
Let's just look if a clip doesbad, it does bad.
Who gives a crap?
Anthony definitely was going.
What call?

(01:04:28):
ice on nick call ice on nicktill.
He realized he'd get deportedback to africa.
So we, we backed off and I said, rob, you know what?
Like we'll still put the clipsout, but like who cares how they
do?
Like, literally let's justfocus more on putting good
content out for the don't jointhe philos project, one.
That was a part of this too,though see grover, wow oh yeah,

(01:04:55):
he is just ruthless, sometimeswrong with you, wow.
So we watched the philosproject thing and I'm like, and
I watched that is black.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
That's black.
That's one reason why I've beenso pissy on twitter lately.
Why just they're all snakes?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
oh, all of them.
Like all of them.
They are all of catholic dude.
Have you noticed?
None of those guys are talkingabout the francis papacy at all.
Like, none of them are likegetting on and just being honest
about like, what it was like,and I know how those guys
actually felt during it.
So now, now he's gone, like whyis it okay to talk about pope
alexander the sixth being themost corrupt pope in history,

(01:05:38):
but you can't talk about francisand the hardships you suffered
under him?
Because I don't get that.
I mean, the first few daysright after he died, you want to
speak ill of the dead, but likewe're we're in the interregnum,
now we're about to elect a newpope like you should be able to
get on and have an honestconversation about this stuff
without like we're not.
I mean we're not doing whatfather allman did, saying the

(01:06:00):
guy's burning in hell oranything.
You know, yeah, I, I, none ofall it's.
It's so strange what happenedafter he died.
I watched all of them come outand we talked about this with
kale like the nice lords.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Right, they all came out, everybody's like and, like
you said, especially when weknow what they talked about, how
they talked about him inprivate absolutely come on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
They were all trying to like sugarcoat the past 12
years, like it was roses andcotton candy or something.
It was very strange.
It was very in unison that theyall did it together.
I don't know, man, it's justsomething bizarre that happened.
I was just like you know what.
I'm glad we don't have donors.
I'm glad that our show issupported by locals.
That's legitimately how ourshow is supported is locals.

(01:06:44):
Locals and recusant sellers,which we didn't do.
The promo Recusant sellers, ifyou guys, I just ordered three
bottles.
They're very good wine.
They're great sponsors of theshow and I think you could still
catch the 20% off coderesurrect.
The end of tomorrow, the end oftomorrow, so you got one last
chance to get 20% off.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Use code resurrects it r-e-s-u-r-r-e-x-i-t at
checkout for 20 and if you ordertonight or tomorrow, it should
get that extra 10 off.
You should get wine formother's day.
Yeah, like it should arrivebefore then.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
So that's why I ordered three bottles.
I'm giving them as gifts formother's Day, so, and if they do
good with this sale, maybethey'll give us another 20% off
code.
So, especially before holidays,like before holidays, I think
they should.
But yeah, so like that is howour show was supported.
It's just locals members and wehave one sponsor.
But, like YouTube reallydoesn't pay much of anything.

(01:07:41):
It's a couple of hundred buckseach.
So I'm I'm glad I'm notbeholden to some donor that's
like well, I want you to takethis position.
I want to be able to come offand blast off and be like we're
at the end of the world, guysand the next day be like I'm
hopeful for the next pope, likeI have to be able to freaking
bounce around like a metal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Catholic unscripted stuff too.
That's another thing that's hadme upset Catholic unscripted oh
, people have gone after.
Catherine and stuff for thatman, that whole scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Like Jules Gomez, nick Donnelly, this should be a
local segment, but we'll give itto you guys on YouTube.
I want you to support War on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Beauty over Religious Hippie.
She's definitely waging a waron beauty.
I am not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I will tell you this I've commented on Religious
Hippie.
I've never commented on War, onBeauty.
I can't say I'll say anythinggood, but I also won't say
anything bad.
That's the I can't say.
I'll say anything good, but Ialso won't say anything bad.
That's the best I can do.
Right, I won't say anything bad.
Okay.
So the situation with CatholicUnscripted, nick Donnelly, jules

(01:09:05):
Gomez leading this charge,reporting them to anti-semitic
watch groups, things like that,like I think that's appalling.
I I see that as selling yourbrothers in christ out for 30
pieces of silver to the sanyedrin it's, it's like, it's
like reporting uh and frank tothe gestapo, oh wait I don't get

(01:09:31):
it at all, like I don't.
I'm really coming to the pointwhere I see that event as
holocaustianity.
That's how I see it.
I think it's like people aremore upset.
If you, if you like, if youdeny this, you think you're a

(01:09:52):
disgusting person.
It's like I know people whodeny that christ existed and you
don't react like that.
100, like people will actuallysay jesus never existed and you
don't have that reaction.
But you have that reaction oversome historical event from 60
years ago that other, worseatrocities have happened over
the years.
I don't.
It doesn't make sense to me,and when I see the reaction like

(01:10:13):
that, it makes me really go man, you guys are making it hard
for me to not agree with FatherMaudsley, because I'm actually
trying to figure this out tooRight.
I don't actually know if FatherMaudsley is, because I'm
actually trying to figure thisout too right.
I don't actually know if FatherMaudsley's right.
I don't know.
I don't know if he's right.
I don't know if the narrativethey've given me is right.
So I'm like well, I want to atleast hear Father Maudsley out,

(01:10:36):
because I don't trust anythingthat's been told to me anymore.
So I want to hear the otheropinion now, and when they freak
out at the idea of me evenhearing the other opinion, I'm
going well, this is the samething as when they wouldn't let
me hear about the science thatcontradicted their narrative
during the event in 2020.
That's all I think, and I don'tknow how to not think that.

(01:10:57):
So I'm now leaning towards likeokay, maudsie's probably right,
and not just right about that Ido think he's right about the
pressure that was put on thechurch to change our liturgy,
because it just it works withthe enmity between the people

(01:11:19):
that their covenant was rejectedand and the gentiles.
Your coverage of catholicunscripted and father maudley
has been a glass shatteringmoment for me.
I'm rediscovering the beautyand history of the liturgy.
Thank you so much.
God bless from Australia.
Yeah, look, there's going to bea lot of people who were turned
off from our show because we'retalking to someone like that.
So it's even.
That conversation was a verydifficult one for me and Rob to

(01:11:41):
make.
It's like okay, okay, do wewant to proceed like this?
But that was part of the.
Hey, I'm not going to placatemy audience.
When I believe something like I, you guys don't have to agree
with us.
One last question before you goon the other side one gorilla,
100 men.
The men get to use 100 meneasily yeah, I think so 10

(01:12:05):
without weapons

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
no, 10 guys on a gorilla yeah, the gorillas are
animals, they can't reason yeahright, like they don't know how
they can't map they can't plotout a way to right, they can't
be tactical.
No, five to ten guys is all youneed, and you gotta plan it
well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
They gotta be strong guys, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I don't think they even fast.
They have to be fast, strongyou gotta wrap that gorilla up
quick boy no, bash his head inwith a rock you gotta overwhelm
him.
I mean a gorilla won't eventhink of that.
You know what I mean.
Like nah, five to ten guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
No, not five robs no, no you probably need 20 to 30
robs I think, of 100 dudes,rushed a gorilla and ron bay is
running away.
Um, yeah, so.
So that conversation withmaudsley was a difficult one to
approach, because it's likewe're going to be labeled now.

(01:13:08):
What's interesting is they theywent after catholic unscripted.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
They didn't go after us well, well, we were never um
respectable you know, but do youthink that's what it is?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
yeah, you think that's what it is like.
We don't, we.
That's what it is Like.
We don't, we don't, becauseit's almost like we get left
alone by everybody, right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
So and it's I mean at this point now.
It's not due to lack of subs orlack of views.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Yeah, I mean we're not up with frat and Marshall,
but right there in the middlewith everyone else which makes
makes, which is an interestingthing because you would think,
now that we have a sizableplatform, we are a voice in this
conversation girl, are youbeing serious?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
or is that just you screwing around again?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I never know with you yeah, we, our platform is I
know you can, jim already tookyou down tim gordon's platform
is bigger and and tim gordon hasway more respect in this arena
than we do.
Right, like cnn, they want todo it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
He's got more reach right with cnn not just reach,
like he's got this air of.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
There's something about him that, like, when, like
, like why, like cnn wants to doa thing on Catholicism, they go
to him.
Kennedy too.
Kennedy says anything aboutthese topics and they'll go
after Kennedy.
Right, kennedy?
Kennedy's been like cast offinto the abyss because he went
after the charismatic movement.
So I am curious why we havenever maybe something like this

(01:14:44):
they went after Catholicunscripted and not you guys,
because the former couldactually be arrested, being in
UK base.
You guys have freedom of speech.
That's part of it and I alsothink I also think they know
that there's they're not unitedover there.
So, like they're not, likethere was a reason, catherine
did that interview alone.
So I think they know if theycould like, if they could shake

(01:15:07):
them and rattle them, you could.
Divide and conquer is a verygood tactic.
If you could find a way todivide a pair of people or a
three way, you know three personteam, like if you get them
arguing amongst each other, youdivide and conquer, you take the
show down.
It's, it's's, it really does.

(01:15:29):
I'm telling you this is why,like the, the friendship Rob and
I have is actually unique inthis arena.
It's very unique in this arenaand it's because we've taken
very like we've we've made ourfriendship extremely important
behind the scenes, like we don't, cause I've seen so many like
shows break up over things likethat.

(01:15:50):
Like we told you guys about,like that difficult period we
went through.
Like, once we got through that,we we make sure we talk behind
the scenes, we make sure there'sconversations and we don't just
do things that the other onenoticing Like if you can make
each other, make the people thatare doing something together
dislike each other, make oneperson think they're more
important than the other, orsomething like that you'll,

(01:16:11):
you'll wreck something like that.
You know it happens to everyband, that happens to every,
happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Yeah, so I think that might be the second.
The thing becomes moreimportant than the relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
It's yeah yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's an easy
way to divide and conquer.
It's how.
It's how the illuminati and thefreemasons work.
It's like uh, catholicunscripted crew is brave
speaking in the uk.
Absolutely 100, like they'llthey'll always um, yeah, the

(01:16:48):
taylor and gordon split rightlike something happened.
That riff there and they splitand they don't talk anymore.
It's like you have to.
You have to be careful whenyou're doing something like this
together.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
That's why I love how kennedy's just in our chat
ripping into grover just out ofnowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Kennedy doesn't know grover like we know him grover,
I have to do the audiobooksbecause you can't read um this
is a good point, right, it'sbecause you two have day job
like we don't actually haveanything to lose.
That is a good point.
Like that error, with that airof respect, I do have that to

(01:17:23):
lose, yes, but they're moreworried about the reputation.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Yeah, and I couldn't care less.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Where we are not as concerned with our reputation in
this arena, like we're just not.
But when you're talking aboutGavin and Catherine and Mark,
they're being invited on GB News.
They're being invited, butmeanwhile they get the same
views we get.
Like their reach being invitedon GB News but meanwhile they
get the same views we get.
Their reach is the same as ours.
It really is.
It's a very similar reach.

(01:17:53):
I think we have similarsubscribers.
Their channel is nearlyidentical to ours.
When you get into viewers andthings like that, their reach is
almost the same.
But they nobody came after uslike they went after them, which
I think is a good thing becauseit frees us up to talk however

(01:18:14):
the hell we want, and nobody'swriting hit pieces on us.
They tried, he tried, he tried,he tried to get it to happen.
It's funny's funny.
They don't even know we exist,right, the whole left-cath
sphere, almost like we don'texist to them.

(01:18:35):
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Hold on Mike Lewis, Mike Lewis, Mike Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Well, I think it's because Mike Lewis and I have a
bit of an agreement to not goafter each other, so because
where Peter is never went afterus, like it kind of, yeah, kept
us out of that that world.
But I honestly, if Mike did goafter us I wouldn't care.
I've told him that too.

(01:19:01):
It's like Mike, I know you havea job to do, like if you got to
report on something, report onit, I don't care.
Um, he might, mike might bewatching.
I do think mike checks our showout to get an idea of like the,
the sense in the moretraditional side, and he knows

(01:19:24):
I'm not like unreasonable, Ithink.
So he can have a conversationwith me.
I've never insulted him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Um, I like, I like how, when you talk about how uh,
no one's ever done a hit pieceon us, you sound a little
disappointed Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
You know how excited I was the one time NCR wrote
that piece and put me andPatrick Corbin in it.
I was like yes, I was like theywrote about my tweets Come out,
ab and you come and get all thelogo.
All right, we're going to wrapthis one up.
We're not doing a local showtonight, all right.

(01:20:08):
So Saturday all right, we'regonna wrap this one up.
We're not doing a local showtonight, all right.
So saturday, saturday, we ohlook, my ab show's breaking.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Oh man, I think no one's gone after us, because
they heard you called loft andgay that one time and they don't
want any part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I'm not even kidding, I'm not, I'm not kidding.
I think the way I went afterLofton they were like, yeah, we
don't want to have this guycoming after us.
I don't think.
I honestly think that might bewhat it is.
They don't.

(01:20:42):
They also might think myfamily's connected and they
don't want somebody showing upat their house what if you find
out that Mike Lewis stolesomething?
they don't want the smoke, theydon't.
Anthony needs a better, loudermic.

(01:21:03):
Set up a go for me.
I'm going to get a new mic, robtold me I just need to speak
closer into it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Yeah, they're designed to be like three inches
from your mic.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I have to sit like this and talk right in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
You need to get it.
I need a boom mic.
Here's the thing If you'regoing to get a new mic, you need
a boom arm.
Yeah, a boom arm, yeah, boomarm, that like comes right in
front of my face so I would geta boom arm first and see if that
with your old mic helps, and ifnot, well then you need the new
mic anyways yeah, I'll just geta new mic, I think, I think, uh
, I think I've earned one atthis point.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
So, all right, guys, we're gonna wrap this up.
So saturday, father murr,monday we're gonna a show.
Tuesday the Father Murr showwill go public, and then
Wednesday is Conclave Day.
That is the big day.
That is when we might get someanswers.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I mean likely no, but right, because we still don't
even.
Oh Saturday 8 am Eastern, 7 amCentral, 8 am eastern 8, 7 am
central, 8 am eastern it'sbecause father murray's in spain
.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
So yeah, so if you guys are not a locals member,
you can get the cheaper versionas a youtube member.
That's only three dollars ifyou want to watch that show live
, and then you'll be able tohave your comments highlighted.
Um, and yeah, we're.
So I think we're gonna.
We're gonna talk to him aboutthe mysterious death of jp1 and

(01:22:32):
then just get his feel for whatwhat's coming, because he has he
who?
What was he rob?
How was he connected?

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
to jp.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
He's the driver for archbishop ganyan okay, yeah I,
I yeah, I read like threechapters of Murder in the 33rd
Degree and it's been a while.
I'm probably going to try andrush through the audiobook
tomorrow to try and get a littleKennedy's voice in your head
all week.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, that's an interestingproposition.

(01:23:06):
Look, be new members guys.
Alright, we're gonna wrap it.
I'm sorry, you are alright, sowe will see you guys Saturday
morning, 7am, central, 8am,eastern Rob, take us out,
brother brother.