Bishop Barron on Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yo, we done with that corny Catholic flow.
That lukewarm joint is straightghosted fam.
That cultural Catholic biz man,that's old news.
Old news.
Kick to the curb.
The crusader spirit's wild androlling in hella deep.
We about to scoop up this wholeworld for christ, going full
tilt no front Taffy.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh my gosh, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Taffy is a legend.
What is going on?
Dude, I'm nervous.
Tonight I feel like I forgothow to do this.
How much did you have to drinkin Greece?
It was an interesting trip.
So for anybody that's new andsees the show title because I
see Matt says he just startedlistening two weeks ago I see

(01:09):
Matt said he just startedlistening two weeks ago, right
before I left for Greece.
So if you're tuning in becauseyou want to hear the show topic,
you guys, if you're listeningon the replay, skip ahead.
We're not getting to it justyet.
Me and Rob haven't spoken intwo weeks.
Rob was ranting like a lunaticin the group chat this morning,
so we got a few things to get to.
We also do not want to forgetto do our ad read.

(01:33):
So yeah, it's been a little bitman.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
It has been a while.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I checked out the episode you did with Jason and
Mark.
It was actually a very goodepisode, mark got right into it
just so quick I loved it rightoff the bat.
He was like ready to go.
I got cooked in the sun, man.
I was interested to see my darkcomplexion next to your pasty
white skin yeah, you definitelylook african yeah, you haven't.

(01:59):
You still look transparent.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
So and I actually got a sunburn on Saturday this is
Dan.
This is this is Dan.
This is.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Dan Robbins Um yeah, dude, fricking Greece.
I went ah man, I was there foreight days and I did it.
I did Italy for 12 days andthen I did Greece for eight days
.
When I went to Italy, I wasable to blend in and pick things

(02:29):
up, pick up language things.
I work with Italian guys.
I work with Spanish guys.
We're Latin at heart.
You know the Romance languages.
You go to Greece.
I spent eight days there andstill cannot figure out how to
say thank you, which is like, orsomething like that.
Spent eight days there andstill cannot figure out how to
say thank you, which is like if,if, or something like that.
And I'm like I would say, andpeople look to me like what,

(02:50):
what are you?
What are you trying to say?
I don't understand it's.
It's cemented my, my latinheritage way further than I
thought it would it.
There was some very cooldevotional stuff there that I
saw.
So like because there's noseparation of church and state.
The island of Mykonos can onlyget power if they would have to

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build a private chapel and themetropolitan would have to
approve of it to get thegovernment to bring power in and
then people could, in thesurrounding areas, break off
that power line, like that's.
That's how involved themetropolitan of the area is.
It's really interesting.
So there's like throughout theisland there are just these tiny

(03:38):
little personal chapels thatyou can't even go in and what
they do is it's like after afamily member dies, three years
later, you can put their remainsin, and what they do is it's
like after a family member diesthree years later, you can put
their remains in there orsomething, and it could just be
used as a devotional chapel.
So those were scatteredthroughout the Island.
The then like there was likethese weird like even at the

(04:00):
airport the customs guy wouldhave like a little Holy card to
one of the Mount Athos saints,you know St St Paisos or
something.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So there, was like the St Paisos.
They canonize Jeff PaisosReally.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Paisos, maybe, I don't know.
I can't, I can't pronounce asingle Greek word.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, we knew that.
I knew that when I met you insupermanville and you were
calling them gyros.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I actually argued with every greek person there
about their pronunciation ofgyro and I argue with a few
people about them making thesign of the cross backwards well
, that's that makes sense.
Yeah, I'm sorry they're dyslexicwhen it comes to devotions they
, they do everything backwards,everything is backwards in
greece, I don't know, it's pays,yeah, it's, it's spelled pesos

(04:51):
or I don't know.
I mean pisos, pesos, I don'tknow.
So yeah, it was a fun trip.
I went with the family.
We'll have uh, I'll, I'll be.
I really I'll share more in theafter show about it a gyroscope
right, we all know it's not agyroscope, that's a callback.

(05:11):
Um, so we'll, we'll talk aboutthat on the other side, because
this, this thing is that.
That, that's, that's a morepersonal family stuff we'll talk
about over there, but, um, sowe only make that available to
1200 people instead of 30 000yes, yeah, pretty much.

(05:31):
Um.
What happened while I was gone?
What happened?
I saw charlotte went up inflames.
Uh, bishop martin decided totorch the latin mass and then it
seems he got.
What do you think happenedthere?
Do you think he got a littletalking to?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't necessarily think it's a coincidence that on
the day leo receives roche forthe very first time in audience
is the day that martin now sayshe'll, you know, give an
extension, when in his letterthat priests were supposed to
tell everyone an extensionwasn't possible.

(06:06):
But now suddenly it is on theday that Roche gets called into
Leo.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
And what's it?
What's interesting is he saidoriginally it was going to be
what?
The end of June, that was awrap, Everything's something in
July 2nd.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Now it's October 8th.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
So yeah, he pushes it off to the october deadline.
That tradition onus originallysaid yeah and he also says uh,
and if the vatican makes anyadjustments to tradition?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
which, why would anyone like?
Why would you that?
I mean, that seems weird tojust drop in the middle of
nowhere, right?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
So you, you think, you think he was allowed to save
face.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I think, yes, I think that someone from the Vatican
called him, more or less, andtold him you know this is going
to be changing this summer.
You can do, you know, you cansay that you're going to move it
to the original deadline inorder to make it.
You know, like you said, tosave face.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
So, Because there was .
What's interesting is thebishop in his original letter,
had mentioned podcasts andbloggers, yeah, and made it like
the reason this was happeningwas because of podcasts and
bloggers, like the reason thiswas happening was because of
podcasts and bloggers.
But it seems like podcastersand bloggers and the noise they

(07:30):
made and the fuss they madeabout that decision kind of made
enough noise that it got backto Rome.
It's possible, I mean it was, itwas, it was all I was seeing on
my Twitter feed.
I mean it was, I mean that'skind of Twitter world, but I
mean every single Catholicpublishing company was talking
about it.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
It definitely got outside of Twitter.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, so it's like it likely got back to Rome.
Roche went to meet with Leotoday.
Now they also made theannouncements that all of the
dicastery positions will beannounced by August.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
August, yeah, so I think by August we will have
some kind of adjustment toTraditionis it wouldn't surprise
me if in August we get a newhead of the CDW or whatever it's
called now ddw, whatever andwhoever that is releases, you

(08:28):
know, a prepared document,either taking, you know getting
rid of tc, or limiting it, orreinterpreting it, whatever I
think I I don't think they'regetting rid of it, I don't think
you're not going back to somemore of them.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I think what will happen is extensions will be
granted, that like permissionwill be given for anyone who
requests it.
Permission will be givenbecause it's essentially what
they're saying.
If a bishop requests anextension, what is actually
happening there is the bishop issaying, hey, this is actually
functioning well in my diocese.
There's.
It's not causing any strife inmy it's.
It's kind of giving permissionback to the.

(09:04):
It's giving authority back tothe bishops in each diocese to
make the decision on their own,which is better than TC, not as
good as some more.
So some more.
I'm gave every single priestthe ability to say it and if you
got enough people in yourparish to request it, the

(09:25):
diocese would actually provideyou with a priest.
That was some more of them youknow, which is pretty wild if
you think about it I mean notreally, it's the roman rite,
yeah no, no, I'm saying it's theroman rite should have the
ability to say the roman rite,no matter what a bishop thinks
100.
I'm saying it's pretty wild that, like benedict even removed it

(09:46):
from the like, he almost putonus on the bishop to provide it
, like he didn't, he didn't.
You know what I mean it's.
It was kind of like he saidlook, if they're requesting this
, I I want every bishop to giveit to them.
You know, he, he, it was theopposite of tradition in a way,
you know yeah, for sure, yeah.
So it would be amazing if itwent back to that.

(10:09):
I don't think it's going to,but I do think permission will
be granted wherever it's asked,which is good, because I think a
lot of the diocese in latinmass is like I don't think most
of the bishops are upset aboutthat.
I think for the most part theyare peaceful communities.
A lot of them are are parishesthat say both forms of the mass
and you know the mutualenrichment thing is nonsense,

(10:31):
but I do think it will allowpeople who have those
communities to continue to findAll right.
So we'll get into your gripewith a lot of the, the byzantine
catholics.
Do we have to?
Yeah, yeah, I definitely wantto, because we we saw a voice of

(10:56):
reason clip where he was goingoff on the sspx saying they're
schismatic and things like that,and the irony of a mexican
novus ordo catholic escaping tothe east because he wants to get
away from the novus ordo, thencoming down on people who are

(11:17):
trying to find some way out ofthe the novus ordo, so they go
to the sspx and calling themlike it's.
It is such a bizarre thing tome.
Yeah, I'm not even knockingEastern Catholics, like if
you're an Eastern Catholic andyou are going there to escape
the Novus Ordo like I don't eventhink that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
No, it's not wrong, right Cause, I would do it if I
had the ability.
Yeah, but here's the thing I'ma Latin Catholic.
The second, the Roman Rite, isavailable to me again.
I will always fight for theRoman Rite because that's my
patrimony.
So to be baptized a LatinCatholic and then to attack

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Latin Catholics for wantingtheir patrimony and saying that
now you venerate a heretic likePalamas, give me a.
Give me a break shut your mouth.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
So wait, you're so okay.
So what?
I don't even know, like the, alot of the, like the inner
workings of these, thesedifferent eastern catholic
groups that were allowed backinto communion with rome.
But you're saying some of themget to deny the filioque, they
don't get to deny it.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
They have to say that they believe it.
But they get to admit it.
They never have to actually saythe filioque and the creed.
Their creed is different thanthe creed of the Latin church.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know, they just have to say that they believe it
.
They get to venerateso-calledcalled saints like
photius, who you know was thecause of the phocian schism, you
know, and yeah, he did, he didreconcile, I'll you know.
I won't say he died aschismatic, but he caused a huge
, huge schism.
They get to venerate palamus,who many consider an open

(13:00):
heretic, like, yeah, the amountof freedom the eastern catholics
have compared to the freedomthat the roman church gives us
latin catholics is incredibleyeah.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
So, like I said, I don't have an issue if somebody
goes to an eastern liturgybecause they would prefer that
over the nova sordo, because theNova Sordo is a wreck.
My issue is when they then tellyou well, this is why
Traditionis needed to happen,things like that, like those
things.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, the fact that he went to an Eastern parish
because it's all he could findopen during COVID.
Yeah.
Now he criticizes everyone whowent to the SSBX because it's
all they could find open duringCOVID, and calls them schismatic
, while he venerates an openheretic.
Is that what he says?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Is that why he says he's an Eastern Catholic?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I don't know, I don't watch the guy, but I have seen
someone say that.
He said that he went to anEastern parish for the first
time during COVID because it'sall he could find open.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Dude, the hypocrisy is just incredible.
Oh my gosh, that is so insaneto me.
So we have to read this tweet.
Yeah, let me pull that up.
You have to pull this tweet upbecause it's one of the greatest
, funniest tweets I've ever read.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Let me find it here and the fact that it not like it
won't ever get promoted becauseit's a reply to our tweets,
sucks.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I mean, I tried to, I tried to, I tried to get it out
there a bit, but okay, let me,uh, let me make it bigger here
yes, we're talking about voiceof reason and and it's it's just
like to me and you know whoelse drives me.
Nuts are the unicorn Novus Ordopeople, because they happen to

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have a Novus Ordo where there'sad orientum, no altar, girls
receiving kneeling and on thetongue, and it's like they act
like that is the norm throughout.
Like it, it is a liturgicalwasteland everywhere.
So if you happen to find thisone parish that celebrates the
nova sordo, like it's at saintjohn canty, is it's like good

(15:18):
for you, very happy for you,real proud of you statistically,
it's far more less common thanthe tlm it's just insane.
It's like so most of us have todrive an hour plus to go to mass
on sunday if we want to findsomething worth going to.
So it's yes, so this is.

(15:41):
This is so what.
Matt and cleveland's sayingit's like okay.
So the unicorn nova, sort ofmay be a little worse.
Matt and cleveland's sayingit's like okay, so the unicorn
novus ordo may be a little worse, in the sense that they think
it's everywhere, in everydiocese.
It's not like you cannot findthese things.
They're, they're, they'renowhere.
Uh, we don't say the filioque,we say the original nicene
constantinople creed.
It's affirmed but not stated.
You fraud how do?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
you look yourself in the mirror.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
You make me sick to be fair.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm not saying that eastern catholics don't actually
believe the philoque.
Yeah, because I'm sure many ofthem do.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'm not saying that I , uh, if I was ever in a
position where they did like endthe latin mass in my diocese,
I'd have two choices.
It would be the sspx or theByzantine Catholic church.
That's fine.
Both of those are five minutesfrom me.
Like I have maybe 10 minutes,like I have an SSPX that's 10
minutes away.

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I choose to drive an hour tostay in the diocese and Latin
mass, not because I have aparticular opinion of the SSPX.
It's more because my wife andkids, just like love the
parishes that the diocesan is at.
But if I had to go EasternCatholic over the Nova Sordo I'm

(16:57):
I probably would do it, but Iwould never tell anyone you you
know, you know it'd be funny.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
You'd be the Tolkien of the Eastern parishes.
You'd be standing up and you'dbe making this huge normal sign
of the cross in front ofeveryone.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I got very uncomfortable with one of our
cab drivers when we were talkingabout the sign of the cross,
because my in-laws didn't knowwhat I was talking about.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
And I'm talking to the guy.
I'm like why do you make thesign of the cross backwards?
And like they thought I waslike insulting him I was just
goofing around with the guys notthat big of a deal they were
like why, why are you insultinghis religion?
I'm like not insulting hisreligion, but the same religion.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'd be like shut up, lutheran.
You'll know when I when I makefun of someone's religion.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Here's the tweet, by the way, okay, so be eastern
right catholic from iraq.
That's decades of violence,decimates your minority
demographic.
For safety of family, upendlife in the homeland and migrate
to the us to start anew.
Start an eastern right masslocation with other expats of
the same tight-knit background.
Anglo dude with the name likefrad starts coming here.
Hispanic dude with the namelike jurado jurado starts coming

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there.
They mispronounce your namewhile showing you their tobacco
pipe, tell you how base their,how base this mass of hours is,
and they invited their novusordo friends from lord of the
rings fan club.
Meet up more.
Western europeans, africans,latin americans, show up and
take your family's usual pew upfront like they own the place.

(18:30):
It's like they're, these guysare going to the eastern parish
and they're trying to latinizeit.
So you're, so you're actuallylosing the, the beauty of, of
the culture that should belongin the like there.
Somebody was making it like.
I was saying this is a culturalthing, like, and it is, though,

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right.
So my, my issue with the guyswho go Orthodox like I, I it's a
.
There's a different thing ingoing Eastern Catholic and going
Orthodox.
It's like I understand thepeople that go Orthodox, go
Eastern Catholic, because it'slike, well, you know.
I know what the alternative isthe guys that are going Orthodox
though it's like.
Your name is Patrick, you'refrom.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Florida.
I saw that tweet You're fromyour Patrick from Florida.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
You don't have some deep mystical Eastern
spirituality, dude Stop it.
You're Catholic, you deepmystical Eastern spirituality
dude, stop it.
You're Catholic.
You're Latin Catholic Like you.
Just don't want to go to theNovus Ordo either.
So all of I think everybody'sjust trying to do their best to
find a community where they canlive out their faith, where
holiness is taught and preached,and that could be an SSPX

(19:39):
parish, that could be aByzantine Catholic parish, that
could be a diocesan Latin mass,like.
That's just kind of thesituation we're in right now,
because your average Novus Ordois so upside down right now.
It's just, it's just not.
It's just not Catholic in thelike the great sense of the word
.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
It's, it's like.
It's like what did you say?
I don't, I don't know your spot, but it's like the the when did
I say when I?
Don't remember when you youwere saying like this thing
wearing the catholic skin suitwe don't have to go that deep
into it.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
This is a fake and gay monstrosity, uh larping is
the catholic church,somethingarping is the Catholic.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Church, Something like that.
You know, it's just that's kindof what your average parish is
like.
It really is hard to find agood parish.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
You know it's funny, you'll have all these, all these
well most of them are yeah, bizLARPers for lack of a better
term going after the SSPX onTwitter and saying that you know
their masses are illicit andyou can't go there.
And then, when, like canonlosses, you can fulfill your
obligation at any Catholic rite,like.

(20:56):
So you're arguing that the SSPXsaying the traditional Roman
rite isn't a Catholic rite, andyet your Novus Ordo mass with
Jewish meal prayers is.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, it's weird man.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Like, if your Novus Ordo Mass is a Catholic rite and
you can fulfill your obligationthere, then you probably do so
doubly so.
At like an SSPX Mass.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I just think it's like I said, it's like I think
everybody has to do what theyhave to do to get their family
to heaven right now.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
A new crusade really wants you to read this.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Thoughts on converts who were no, I think he really
wants the first part.
Oh, and look, I've lost a decentamount of weight.
Yes, what's crazy is I gainedweight on vacation, and then I
came back home and I went rightback to fasting as soon as I got
home, like I ate whatever Iwanted on vacation.

(21:50):
But I came home and I wentright back to fasting when I got
home and I lost everything Igained on vacation and then lost
a few more pounds like I'm not.
I'm never going back to eatingthe way I did, like I.
I don't know.
I'm trying my best, but whatwas this question after that?
Thank you, though.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Oh, just what we're talking about brought converts
converting to visitingcatholicism um, it's bizarre to
me too.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Like, or orthodoxy, even right, like it's, it's.
It's strange to me.
I'm not saying it's, I'm notsaying it's not valid or
something, it's just it'sstrange to me.
Like I went to, I went toGreece and I did not fit in
there, like it was just alien tome, the culture, everything was
just so alien to me.

(22:32):
When I went, when I went toRome, I felt at home.
You know, it's like, and peoplespoke English in Greece.
It's not just the language, itwas just an alien culture.
It wasn't it would be like it,it just felt very different than
Rome did.
Like when I went to Rome, Ifelt at home, it was, it was

(22:53):
like embracing our Catholicheritage, it was, it was really
awesome.
It was one of the most like,awe inspiring trips I'd ever
taken, because I got to see theculture that built Western
civilization, you know.
So it's.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I was going to say because Greece was basically
outside of Christendom for thelast thousand years right.
Well, we would considerChristendom yeah.
So it wasn't formed byChristendom the way that Italy
was and that you know.
The land that our ancestorscame from, you know, was formed

(23:33):
by Christendom.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah yeah, the church in the West and the church in
the East developed verydifferently and it's I don't
know.
I mean, I just I think that you, you can fall in love with the
Eastern devotions and stuff, butI think, like, like even Bobby
Bobby goes to an EasternCatholic parish, but like, if
there was an awesome Latin massnear him, like he would go to

(23:57):
that I know he would Like, he,he, he, he.
It's just, you're more at homethere as a Westerner.
You know you have to, you haveto learn different things.
It's it doesn't feel.
It doesn't feel right.
At first I would imagine like,but but I will say this though
like my first time going to aLatin mass felt, felt weird,

(24:23):
right, like I didn't feel athome immediately, but after
attending four in a row I feltmore at home there than I did
back at the Nova Sordo.
Like, when I go to Nova Sordo Idon't feel at home anymore, I
feel like I'm in a Protestantservice.
It feels really strange.
Yeah never, I'm not going to?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, it is a.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Protestant service, but okay, it just, it just feels
like that.
It's not.
I'm not going to.
Yeah, it is a Protestantservice, but okay, it just, it
just feels like that.
It's not.
I'm not.
I'm not going to say that it'sa cat, it's a Catholic mass and
it's, you know, jesus isdefinitely present and it's
definitely a valid Eucharist andall that.
So I'm not, I'm not knockinganywhere that goes to it, it's
just the.
Yeah, I did, like, honestly,jim, like I'll always, I'll

(25:09):
always uh, have respect fortaylor for throwing that
challenge out there, because itchanged my, my whole life.
Essentially, they changed mywhole spiritual life, that's for
sure.
Um, all right, so, yeah, so wecan get to bishop baron.
Um, did you watch any of it,rob?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
not a minute, no, huh no, he's, he's like the
catholic jordan peterson to me.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I can't stand him so the thing with baron is that
he's uh, you want to throw atime stamp in, so you know where
to cut the clip and we'll throwthis up as a clip later.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So the the thing with baron we need to get to an ad
read too, by the way.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
You want to do that first and then we'll jump into
Baron.
Yeah, probably a good idea.
Yeah, let's do that.
So do you have it availableBecause I have totally space.
It's been a while.
You know, the ad read thesepoor people.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
The ad read in the episode without you was the best
one we've ever done Is itreally I didn't get to that part
.
I mean we didn't get to ituntil 40 minutes into the show,
but it was a good ad read.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I'm going to disagree with you on the spirituality
part.
It's much the same way.
People have Benedictine,franciscan, carmelite
spirituality.
I'm very much drawn toapophatic theology.
Apophatic, what is it, bobby?
Can you throw normal words inhere?
Theology, and I find myselfrelating to the mystics more
than the manualists.
I think I might, I'm not, I'mnot, I don't have like a

(26:41):
Thomistic mind, like I don't, Idon't, my mind doesn't work like
a Thomas.
Like when I talk to Nick,sometimes like I'm just like wow
, I don't know where I do.
Kind of like, um, I don't know,I, I, whatever, I I do.
Kind of like the mystery of theEast, which is something I've

(27:03):
always, you know, said but yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
But is it only mysterious because it's alien?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
No, I, I like, like, I think, I, I.
I think it's a good thing thatthe Latin West, especially
through Tomism, like try to findthe metaphysical reality for
every little thing.
But I also like to be like allright, maybe, like okay, yeah, I

(27:31):
have the definition oftransubstantiation, but like I
don't need to comprehend what'sactually happening there, Like I
don't need the definition forit, I just know that that's
Jesus Christ up there.
Like I kind of like that, Likewhen I, when I teach my kids
about it, I don't teach themwhat transubstantiation is.
I, I Well, it's not that Idon't, that's not what I mean.

(27:53):
They obviously know whattransubstantiation is.
What I'm saying is it was moreseeing it through the story of
the old Testament and maybe notfully knowing exactly what's
happening there, but like you'reyou, you you believe it.
Regard like you I don't know uh,whatever, I'm not saying
there's anything wrong withhomism.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm not knocking I find it how my mind works
personally, like I find iteasier to get into the mysteries
of the faith through likescholasticism, through like
learning.
You know, through like learning, the definition of
transubstantiation.
To me, like that, that makes iteasier to go deeper into into

(28:38):
the.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
The mystery for me, yeah yeah, I think I I don't
just I don't think that there'sanything.
I just I think it's just adifferent way.
It could be a temperament thing, it could be just a way of like
your mind works too.
You know, yeah, like for sure,like, like this.
That's why, like, I likelistening to certain things and

(28:59):
you don't like.
It's just like, you know.
That's why you always hatepeople that I enjoy and I don't
like people that you enjoy.
It's just.
I think it's just a.
You know, it can be adifference and that could be a
preference.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, it's just part of the bet for me to hit
everyone you like, we'll do theend read.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Then we'll get into Baron, because I actually did
listen to the Baron interviewand I and I see both, both, I
see both takes on it like I dosee the good in it and I also

(29:40):
see the critique in it, so it'llbe interesting to to uh discuss
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Speaker 2 (29:42):
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Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, I'm just seeing how long it would take before
it became too awkward for you.

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I don't have like the ad read.
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Speaker 1 (30:03):
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At this point, you still don'tknow how to say it.
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Speaker 2 (31:51):
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Speaker 1 (31:55):
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But yeah, go check them out,guys.
Recky's and Cellars I mean wehave a clip or two we could play
, yeah, and are you getting acouple bottles for your teens?
We'll talk about the drinkingwith my the the thing you said
about your daughter.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I think that was a tag so I'm not going to say it,
but what you said about yourdaughter, it was hilarious we'll
talk about that over on theother side.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
That's, that's locals .
That's locals come uh content.
I.
I did look.
Well, the thing is my, my 18and 19 year old are old enough
to drink in greece, so I like wewent out hanging out with my
kids, like me and my wife, sowe'll talk about that on the
other side though.
Um, let me just see if I canactually find you actually send

(32:45):
the so I sent the, I sent thesub stack, you sent it also I
know but, any clips yeah, I have.
I have a clip hang on.
I'll send it now give me a sec.
I'm sorry guys.
Oh, I know you guys can't standthis this.

(33:06):
We came so prepared, so I had.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
You know, paul.
You're right.
Paul says the drinking shouldbe 15 or 16.
If we're ever going to combatthe falling, the decline of
people drinking, alcoholism andsmoking weed, we need to get
people drinking young.
That's why Wisconsin is thegreatest state and the greatest
state.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
The drunkest.
Oh man, I don't know if I'mgoing to be able to find the
clip from me.
Oh, here it is.
Okay, I got it.
I'm going to send it.
I'll send it down, okay.
So I had this clip and then,what's his name?
Had a good clip, trevor, atTridentine.

(33:58):
I'll send that one over to you.
Yeah, all right.
Well, let's play Trevor's clipfirst.
I'm going to send that one overto you, okay.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
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Speaker 1 (34:13):
All right, we're good .

Speaker 2 (34:15):
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far.
I'm going to do that.
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Speaker 3 (34:23):
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Speaker 1 (34:29):
How is Hope's pregnancy going?
Yeah, it's going pretty well.
Yes, do we have.
Do we have a closer due dateyet, or what?
Because I gotta come and hangout with those kids and give
them noisy toys and sugarydrinks and they don't generally
just adjust the due date likeall the time it's still like
august 18th or 19th august 18th.
All right, all right, let's playtre play Trevor's clip first,

(34:51):
because Trevor said this clip ofBishop Barron on Tucker really
brought home the need for thechurch to clarify its
condemnation of usury in thecontext of a modern market
economy.
Tucker rightfully hits on usuryoften in the show and was
clearly not fully satisfied withthe answer.
So let's jump into that clip.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
So let's jump into that Cliff dynamics of a market
economy better.
What it tends to mean now is,you know, loaning at exorbitant
interest or loaning in a waythat's deeply abusive toward
others.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
It doesn't mean that in itself it's intrinsically
evil, because then the capitalso how would the church feel
about like a credit card thatcharges 25%?

Speaker 5 (35:46):
interest.
Yeah, it would be wary of it.
It would want some kind ofregulation and some kind of
oversight of those things.
John Paul II would say theeconomy needs to be regulated
morally and legally.
So there should be a moralregulation.
And see, that comes from thechurches, it comes from a clear
teaching about the moral lifeand care for the poor and so on,

(36:07):
but also a legal regulation tosome degree.
The best statement of it, Ithink, is John Paul II.
It's called Centesimus Annus,written in 1991 on the
Centesimus Annus, the hundredthyear of Rerum Novarum.
That's the clearest expression,I think, of the balance of
Catholic social teaching.
I think this man is signalingthat he likes that tradition and

(36:32):
what did he say about usury?
He didn't talk about usuryspecifically, but he has a
paragraph where he says do we?
Support the market economy.
If by that you mean one thatencourages entrepreneurship,
that is based upon privateproperty, that allows even for a
profit motive and he goesthrough various things, the
answer is yes.
If by that you mean one that iscompletely unregulated legally

(36:54):
or morally, one that exploitsthe poor, one that excludes most
people from participation in it, then the answer is no.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
And so he kind of sets the parameters for how we
think about the economy is that,um, that feels, I mean, I'm so
grateful, grateful to theCatholic Church for standing up
for life, for opposing killing.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
That was you can tell he?
Really didn't know, like thefact that he can only mention a
JB2 document from 1990 and notlike any of the dozens of
Catholic you know teachings onusury from before.
That Like, if you just don'tknow the answer, just say you
don't know like I.
There there was a point wherebaron didn't know the saint

(37:36):
michael prayer I, I, you knowI've seen that and I I just I
don't know if I can believe thatwithout seeing it so the the
the thing is baron is a verypost-conciliar guy.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Like all of his upbringing is in post-conciliar
stuff, like he talks about itall the time, how he's like we
were discouraged from prayingthe rosary.
So the thing is he's read a lotof philosophy and he's read a
lot of Augustine and things likethat.
So to me Barron is one of thoseguys where if you've seen like

(38:11):
a few Barron interviews, you'renot getting anything new from
this.
Like you're going to get thesame talking points Barron kind
of has memorized aboutphilosophy and about, you know,
man's quest for God and he kindof quotes the same points of
Augustine.
He'll get into Kant and he'lltalk about von Balthasar.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Okay, but see, it's weird for a Catholic to want to
talk about Kant and not, youknow, like the medieval
scholastics.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
It's like he's read just enough to be able to answer
the most basic talking pointsof your average like read it
atheist, and he decided he neverneeded to go further than that
so the okay.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
But the thing is that is who he has been engaging.
I know for the for the past twodecades that I've been watching
him right, like he's been.
He started off like engagingthe, the new atheist movement
online, so that's kind of how herose to prominence.
He, he did his catholicismseries but all of even that

(39:16):
stuff like it's funny that hetalks about beige catholicism
all the time because he's thedefinition of it he's, he's not
that.
Look, I don't consider baron abad guy like I.
I didn't know, I'm not sayinghe is.
He's not a bad guy like baronis.
Look, he's the only bishop Isee willing to get into spaces

(39:39):
where conservative catholics arelike I don't you know, like he
really is.
Like, you see, any other bishop.
You think any other bishop inthe USCCB would go and sit with
Tucker Carlson?
Honestly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
There's a couple maybe a handful at most.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Very few.
Like most of those guys thinkTucker Carlson is a villain,
barron is willing to sit downwith where he saw, where he sees
young men go.
So, like I know you don't likepeterson, but he got castigated
for speaking with jordanpeterson from guys like mike
lewis and the and the and theliberal catholics.

(40:22):
Like those guys hate baron andthey hate him.
I'm not.
I know he's not a trad.
I'm like don't think I'm.
I'm not.
I know he's not a Trad.
Like don't think I'm Not.
I know he's not A tricklingtrickling would.
That's True.
Um, trickling, definitely would.
Um.
I'm not Saying he's a trad inany way whatsoever.
What I'm saying is he's the.
He's one of the few Bishops Isee trying to engage Young men

(40:47):
when I see everybody elsecatering to Women.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I see I see Baron is.
I don't think he's trying toengage.
What makes you think he'strying to engage men?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
He's going to where men are listening, like he's
talking about Bob Dylan.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, he's so hard.
Maybe he's trying, but he's gotto be one of the worst at it.
Oh man, this good cop, bad coproutine really gets hard.
Sometimes for me it's easier toplay bad cop.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I can see you trying so hard and then I say something
you're like, yeah, easier toplay bad cop, all right, so why
don't we bring up the sub stack?
Because the sub stack.
So I woke up this morning Iread the sub stack from um, uh
crap, I'm forgetting his name,chris do we have a clip of him
screwing up the saint michaelprayer?
no, somebody has that.
Send it over, though I don't.
I didn't actually see it.
I didn't get to that point inthe interview, but I saw

(41:42):
somebody say it if anyone hasthat clip on twitter, sent uh dm
it to me um you don't follow meoh man jd no wait, what do you
say?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
jd says tobin engages you.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Oh, come on um, okay, so tucker interviews baron
baseball balthazar and bob dylanthe sub stack.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
That's what you're reading from yeah, okay, let me
pull that up um, let's shout.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Let's shout him out too, if anybody wants to go and
read this.
Chris Jackson on Twitter.
So there's somethingmesmerizing about watching
Tucker Carlson try to drag Godout of the mouth of a company
man.
That's what this four-hour-plusinterview with Bishop Barron
felt like a sustained, almostheroic effort to pull something
supernatural out of someone whohas spent a lifetime trying to

(42:32):
make the faith digestible for aworld that doesn't believe.
And you could sense Carlson'sconfusion.
He wanted to understand whyChristianity triggers such
unhinged rage from the secularelite.
He wanted to know why thechurch appears to be collapsing.
He wanted to talk about evil,transcendence and martyrdom.
What he got was Bishop Barronexplaining how a good coach
teaches you to smell the grass.

(42:53):
That's not to say Barron'spoints weren't occasionally
interesting.
They were.
He's not a dumb man.
He's read a great deal.
He knows how to sprinkle inHopkins and Aquinas.
But what's missing from Barron'sperformance is what is always
missing from his brand of boomerapologetics the prophetic
clarity to name the crisis forwhat it is and to actually do
something about it.

(43:14):
Now, this is something that hasbeen a continuous frustration
of mine with baron, even when hewas talking to shia labeouf,
right like when, when he wastalking to shia labeouf and shia
was telling him about thetraditional latin mass, and he's
like well, do you?
Why are you attracted to it?
Well, because it's like they'rethey're not trying to sell me a
car.
And Barron will then go intotalking about how they you know

(43:38):
beige Catholicism is presentedand you know there's a D
emphasis on hell and you knowthere's a lack of call to young
men to strive for somethinggreat, and then he will go and
push the von balthasar stuff,which is the, dare we hope.
Hell is empty.
So it's like in in one sense heunderstands what the problem is
and in the other he's kind ofcontinuing it.

(44:00):
So instead we get the same oldtrick that has defined baron's
entire ministry diagnose thedisease with great intelligence,
then prescribe a placebo.
That's a good line.
Barron admits that ecclesialliberalism is a reduction of the
supernatural to the natural.
True, but he says that as ifthe project he is behind, as if

(44:22):
the project is behind us.
He says that as if he didn'tcome up through that system.
He says it as if word on firehasn't been ground zero for that
same reductionism, repackagedin Thomistic drag for the
YouTube generation.
Harsh, but I don't, chris,you're a good writer man.
When Carlson asks about thesupernatural collapse in the

(44:44):
church, barron blames culturalaccommodation, the sexual
revolution and Kant.
What he never names is VaticanII.
Not honestly, not directly.
Instead, he insists thatVatican II was a bold missionary
council, tragicallymisunderstood by its implements.
People like, well, bishopBarrett, this is a tired
playbook.
Separate the text from thedisaster it caused.
Blame the fallout on thepost-conciliar period, pretend

(45:05):
the modernist theology was notembedded in the council itself,
despite every syllable ofGaudium et spes, no suretate and
dignitatis humanae crying outto the contrary.
Insist it was all meant to beThomistic outreach and
missionary zeal, even though thechurch had never hemorrhaged
vocations or mass attendance onthat scale before or since.
This is like blaming theTitanic sinking on a

(45:27):
post-iceberg development.
Oh, man, barron names Kant,nietzsche, the Enlightenment,
but never Dignitatis Humanae,never Nostra Aetate, and
certainly not the de factodemolition of the Roman Rite or
the 60-year-long failure toanathematize heresy.
Man, this is true In histelling the church just got a

(45:48):
little too apologetic after thecouncil.
Not heretical, not disoriented,not infiltrated, just bashful.
Barron cannot admit that themodern church is in ruins
because it is built on sand.
That would indict everything.
So instead he gently mourns theliberal moment and assures us
that the supernatural is nowmaking a comeback.
Is now making a comeback?

(46:14):
Is it because the new popebecause the new pope baron
refuses to critique justaffirmed for all in the words of
consecration?
I heard that might have been atranslation error.
Um, where so pope leo had saiduh, the sacrifice is for you and
for all.
I don't know if that isaccurate.
That could have been atranslation error.
But Leo's kind of.

(46:40):
We're all getting so excitedabout Leo.
I'm like man, he hasn't really.
I don't know, man, I'm notgoing to start that.
I'm not going to start that.
I'm not going to be the guy whostarts it, but I'm very hopeful
that you know we're going toget some answers on the Latin
mass soon.
But the way Leo is, kind of heis, he does seem to be

(47:05):
correcting some of Francis'sstuff.
But, like you want to seesomething a little more bold,
you want to see somebody comeout and just say the truth with
clarity, not this timid.
Francis was great.
We're just going to tweak thislittle thing here and tweak this
little thing here.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I don't think we're ever going to see that from Leo
Just coming out and saying, justrepudiating Francis.
But if, if all we get is himcoming out and doing little
tweaks here and there, that's alot better than what we could
have got.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, yeah, no, listen, I'm.
It's much better than what wehad, like that's for sure.
So there's no question thatbaron believes in god, but
there's a real.
But there's a reason.
His word on fire ministry hasfailed to spark any serious
revival.
His vision of catholicism isheavy on intellectual ambience
and light on clarity.
It is a church where beautywill save the world, as long as

(48:05):
you don't look too closely atthe felt banners or pantsuited
Eucharistic ministers beneaththe spaceship ceiling.
Spaceship ceiling.
I saw it in Rome, dude.
Maybe it wasn't wrong.
I think it was.
It was actually at it was in.
It's at the Holy House ofLoretto is where it is.

(48:26):
Yeah, it's at the Holy House ofLoretto.
There is a spaceship mosaicthat has sputnik.
It's just so bad.
It was started in the 50s but,like, completed in the 70s after
the council, and it's just sobad.
Carlson, to his credit, pushedhard on suffering, evil and the
hatred of christ in the modernworld.

(48:48):
He wanted to know whychristians are the most
persecuted group on the planet.
Farron responded with apowerful insight.
The 20th century was pivotedinto what it's such a powerful
insight.
Yeah, the 20th century wasreally bad then pivoted into how
his little league coach oncetold him to get on your knees
and smell the infield.

(49:08):
Somehow this was supposed toilluminate the mystical
structure of reality.
Look, here's what.
Here's what I'll get.
I tried listening to the thebaron tucker interview like I
did.
I really tried to give it a go.
It just was kind of boring.
Like it just it was just kindof boring.
It was it.
I heard a lot of the things fromBaron that I've heard before.

(49:31):
I was like I wanted him todeliver, like Catholicism, to
Tucker Carlson, because Tuckeris in a very seeking moment.
Like he keeps bringing peopleon to talk to them about god and
he's looking for someone tojust come out and like say

(49:55):
something.
So like, look, you can't thinkbaron is going to be bishop
williamson.
Like he's just not.
You know right where I thinktucker would love to hear from
bishop williamson.
God rest his soul, you know.
But it's just don whoa barBaron, talk like Baron.
How disappointing he's.

(50:18):
Just a post conciliar guy manhe just is.
Mel Gibson did better on JREthan Baron on Tucker 100% yes
and no, like yes and no, um,like okay.
So what I think um mel didreally well on on.

(50:40):
Jerry was the shroudconversation, but you can't talk
to a normie right how it didyeah about set of accountants no
, I agree with that like you.
Just you can't do it.
You know, like you.
You, because they're just goingwait, what, what?

(51:00):
There was smoke, it was blacksmoke.
It was wait, there was whitesmoke and there was black.
So wait, like you're trying togive the siri thesis to Jerry.
He has no idea about any ofthis stuff.
Well, that's the point, right?
So Baron is kind of beige andthat's like I don't think he's a
bad guy, like I don't, I don'tthink he's one of the guys that

(51:22):
is like oh, we have to get Baronout.
Like I, I didn't like wheneverybody just kind of pushed
Baron out, like he was, look, hesaid some pretty terrible
things.
He was on the bench appear andhe was like well, jesus is the
privileged way.
Like like come on, you can't dothat.
Like you can't do that, youjust can't Like.

(51:43):
There was actually aninteresting like a juxtaposition
to that conversation whentaylor spoke with um, what's his
name?
The the black rapper?
Uh, the crazy, crazy freaking.
Uh, all the black rappers arecrazy man, no, god, bryson gray
yeah, I know you talked.

(52:04):
Uh, taylor spoke with brysongray and bryson just asked
questions about catholicism andtaylor was just like no, there's
no salvation outside the church, like he just was like blatant
about it.
He didn't.
Yeah, yes, yes, you like therewas something refreshing about
that conversation that taylorhad, because it's like oh, this

(52:27):
is what it looks like whensomebody presents Catholicism
and doesn't hold back anddoesn't pretend we're because
there's a tendency and I do ittoo.
That's why I'm not so harsh onBarron, because in my personal
life, when I'm speaking tonon-Catholics, I don't just come
out and tell them you're goingto hell because you're not

(52:47):
Catholic.
You're going to hell becauseyou're not Catholic.
Like there's ways to nuance theconversation where you're
presenting Catholicism assomething beautiful and
fulfilling, without necessarilyknocking them.
Like the way I go aboutevangelism is very rarely
talking about, very rarelytalking about Jesus and it's not

(53:09):
not to say that I don't ever,but it's rare.
Like what I try to do is get toI understand, especially when
you're in the moment on apodcast and you're you know

(53:33):
there are millions of peoplewatching.
Like I would imagine it's kindof a lot of pressure to so much
you get to say Michael prayer.
Well, listen, I can't even knockthem for that, because I was on
with John Henry Weston twoweeks ago and I almost forgot
the second half of the hail maryjust because I was put on the
spot.
It's like.

(53:54):
I don't like.
Sometimes, when you're put onthe spot, you're just like oh,
it happens, you know.
So, like I, I can see messingup the saint michael prayer,
especially the second half, getsa little tedious there, come on
, it's like you're put on thespot in front of a live audience
.
I I could see maybe missing a ayou know a phrase or two in

(54:16):
there.
Uh, the difference is that ifsomeone asked you if they would
go to hell for not beingcatholic, you would tell them
yes, I don't think baron would.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, I I, baron, lost a lot of trust with that.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
That uh shapiro interview yeah, yeah, the
shapiro interview and the andthe dare we hope stuff.
Yeah, it's like you can'tpresent dare we hope in one
sentence and then in the next,talk about how well the church
stopped emphasizing on hell andthat is what led to all this

(54:49):
stuff.
Like like there's either a abig calling that comes with
being catholic or there's not.
It's and I'll tell you what the.
The main reason so many you dosee a lot of orthodox converts
right now is because theorthodox church is it's a

(55:09):
majority men, not just in thehierarchy.
Like I understand, we have aall-male hierarchy, but at the
parish level it's mostly womenrunning the parishes.
It's mostly women passing onthe faith to their children.
Like we're starting to reversethat.
We are especially like ouraudience right.
Like we're talking to a lot, alot more young men trying to put

(55:30):
the call on men to be thepriest in your home and make
sure you're the one Someoneshould tell that.
To Turning Point, You're notwrong, like right, like the
whole young women leadershipconference that they're doing
and things like that, likethere's something very masculine

(55:52):
in the presentation oforthodoxy that are that is
attracting young men.
And when you attract young men,those young men then go and
convert people and they bringtheir women with them.
But if you have women doing theevangelization in the catholic
end, you're going to get a veryfeminized version of the faith
brought to people which I meanyeah.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
So like growing up and having to go through all the
um, the net, ministry focus,life, teens type stuff.
It was all teenage girls, yeah,and it made it just miserable
and terrible and so gay well, weeven should.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
We like, okay, so we'll.
We've passed around the videosof, like the rock concert,
catholic things, right, and I'mlike, would you even want to be
at this?
I'll ask that.
And that usually is a very bigviral thing that goes around and
it's like, yeah, you'll get alot of men that say, well, it's
not mass.
You know, like, well, it's notmass.
It's like, okay, it's also notcatholic, like this, this, just,

(56:53):
it's just not catholic and it'seven if people do get something
beneficial from it, right, likeso they had the eucharistic
congress.
That happened, right, baronbaron, like one of my biggest
criticisms of him was his homilyat that Congress, because he

(57:14):
goes if every one of you lefthere and we're on fire for the
faith, you could like the, youcould like the world on fire and
you could pass that faith on.
And it was like he was sayingthat under a time when we were
being told we aren't allowed tolive our faith boldly, like
we're not allowed to go and livelive our faith, and like we
can't allowed to live our faithboldly.
Like we're not allowed to goand live live our faith, and
like we can't, we can't worshipgod reverently.

(57:34):
We were.
We were in the midst oftradition at the time.
We were dealing with like allthis craziness and baron is
telling people go out and dothis, this, this and this, and
it's like, well, we're beingtold we're not allowed from the
vatican.
No, so it was kind of strange.
But the rock concert's likeokay, there's a lot of women out
there singing and doing theirpraise and worship thing and I

(57:57):
know there's a lot of very goodpeople in the charismatic
movement and they get a lot outof that stuff.
But I don't know if you couldsay that it's good like overall,
like there's something to justsaying look, look, we have to
cut our losses with a lot ofthese things and just get back
to what grew the church early onand that was just men living
out the faith and men going outand preaching the gospel I mean

(58:20):
the charismatic movement comingdirectly from like, like
communist communes and in crazyprotestant like heretics, like.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
No, there's no way it can be a good thing overall.
God has used it to bring someyou know, some people into the
church and many charismatics doeventually find tradition.
But no, in the end it's still alike a, a crazy heretical
movement but?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
but also what is because I, what is the proper
role for women who do want toevangelize?
Like there are a lot of womenwho fall in love with the church
and fall in love with JesusChrist and they want to go out
and evangelize because it'ssomething that happens to you

(59:07):
when your heart gets lit on firefor the faith, right?
So I don't even know if I knowthe answer to that.
Like I don't know, I don't knowif I know the proper answer for
that.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Like young women that act like they have a ministry
needs to become religioussisters and go teach in schools
and orphanages that's what theydid for for centuries, yeah I
think how many, how many kidswere, were, you know, without
parents, were raised in thechurch by nuns I'm kind of okay
with this too yeah, I agree youknow like women go into women's

(59:41):
conferences and other women.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
You know helping each other and I know there's a lot
of messiness of those things.
Yeah, the women's conferencesusually end up terrible um, this
is a controversial thing too,because I know that's what tim
gordon said right, mary.
But I mean, you get into theapparitions of our lady and like
she's the greatest evangelistin the history of humanity but

(01:00:04):
she, I mean she juan diego was aman and it's not.
I don't think you, I, I have ahard time with saying mary
didn't evangelize, like I knowshe didn't teach, like she

(01:00:26):
didn't go out and evangelizewhen she was alive.
She wasn't going out teaching.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
But the apparitions of Our Lady have led to more
conversions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
You want your wife to listen?
No, absolutely not.
I don't want my daughterseither.
No, I don't.
I would never send my daughtersto that young women leadership
conference ever, under anyscenario like it, just wouldn't.
Yeah I I mean, yeah, like that,the nuns were the catechists for

(01:00:58):
a long time, weren't they?
Like I don't look, I'm I, Idon't want to, I don't know, I
don't know the I don't.
We're in a different world thanwe were for centuries when
women were doing this thing.
Like we're just in a differentworld than we were for centuries
when women were doing thisthing.
Like we're just in a differentworld now.
So I don't know, withtechnology, the way things are
going, I don't know what thecorrect answer is.
I just know we need a much moremasculine approach to

(01:01:25):
everything and I think thereason young men are attracted
to the Latin mass is becausethere's not women running all
over the sanctuary.
Everything is very like.
We got into this with KeithNessler and he said it
transcends gender.
And there's no, I don't agreewith that.
It's.
There is something verymasculine about the Latin mass
and I think that women areattracted to that, like women

(01:01:48):
want to be led by men, you know.
So it's, it's, I think.
I think it's allowing women,because I think most of the
women not like leave the liberalchurch, like parishes aside,
most of those women who areextraordinary ministers and
things like that, like they'redoing it out of a desire to want

(01:02:09):
to serve.
They're not doing it becausethey're um.
They're not doing it becausethey want to change things and
become women priests like that'sjust not the majority of it.
The majority of your novus ordoparishes is just women who love
their faith and they're like oh, how can I help?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
and they want to help and the priests encourage it.
I don't know, growing up, a lotof the women that were involved
were they're the ones thatruled their homes.
Yeah, they were very.
Their behavior was verydisordered and transgendered in
a sense and they really did seemlike they wanted authority.

(01:02:50):
They were going to take it ifit wasn't given to them.
I I think that that I'm notgonna say that's everyone, but
that was growing up.
That was a lot of the womenthat were involved in the local
parish yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I think that might just be brain rot from feminism.
Like I don't know if they'reconsciously doing it for that.
Like I don't, I don't know,they're just, they're just boss
chicks because they grew up inthe rot of feminism and they
don't even know they're doing it.
A lot of women are like that,like they're just I mean, you

(01:03:26):
see it all the time like there'snothing worse than the
conservative feminist whichevery is a complete
contradiction in terms.
It's a complete contradiction interms, and it's every woman
speaker at that.
Bring up that woman's speakerlist.
Do you have it anywhere I canfind it yeah, find that woman's
speaker list.
Just look at every single womanon there, like they're.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
They're the women I have the hardest time with I
almost tweeted that when I sawthat thing I'm like, oh look,
it's every single woman anthonyhas no respect for I.
They're the most obnoxious,annoying the only one that
wasn't on there it was was, uh,lauren bobert don't worry, give
him time, they'll add her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I've never liked learning anything about the
faith from women.
Um rob's changing anthony quick.
No listen, this is who saidthat I'm the misogynist in the
group here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
I'm trying to play good cop tonight some of those
things we were tweeting today oh, I can see you're gonna be bad
cop tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I'm like, isn't that what you want?
He goes absolutely oh, I got.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I should really play the voicemail.
I think you might have cursedin one of them, so I can't, but
I should.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Oh, there's a lot of cursing in those messages this
morning.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
If I can zoom in rob was.
Rob was furious this morning.
So, uh, telsey gabbard yeah, Idon't know who a lot of them are
, erica charlie kurtz wife alinahaba, lila rose well, alina

(01:05:08):
haba is trump's lawyer, who isjust looks like she is like an
only fan.
She's running around in abikini.
Brett cooper oh my gosh.
Lila rose, dana lash, rileygains, riley gains.
The legit man, ali stucky,might be the most obnoxious,
annoying woman on the planet.
No, no, nancy mace nancy maceis on there.

(01:05:32):
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to giveher.
I have to take the title fromyou.
Nala ray, how are the?
How is this a real conference?
How is this a real?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
conference?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I don't think I know anybody else, I don't know any
of these broads.
Yeah, I don't know any of thosebroads, but it's just no.
I wish we had somebody we couldtrust as a spy to go in there
and listen to some of thefeminist insanity that they're
going to spew yeah, we don't dowe the only Molly, the only

(01:06:14):
group she is more misogynisticthan we are that's why she
watches our show.
We're trying to find this clip.
Oh right, here we're trying tofind this clip.
So if anybody can find thatclip for us, we want to see it.
Okay, I should go there as aspeaker okay, okay, we do it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Someone did send it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
All right, let's watch the clip I got because I
didn't make.
I made it an hour into thebaron interview so it's
literally.
You were about a minute away oh, it's at one hour and 45
seconds yeah, I was like I'mjust under an hour into it and I
just started watching outdoorboys.
I'm like I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I really did get you into that, I am obsessed with
the outdoor boys.
Like obsessed with the outdoorboys but the only Mormon I've
ever been able to stand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
He is the man dude Like he is.
He's so like.
I wish I had a dad that took meto do the things he takes his
kids to do, like it is.
If you guys never seen theoutdoor boys like, I just came
upon him because I saw he putthe video out that he's not
doing videos anymore and I justwent back and I love survival
stuff like I, my favorite showever is their, their mormon paul

(01:07:37):
yeah, he's more, but he doesn'the doesn't know, he doesn't
come into the show at all, atall in any way whatsoever other
than on their, their familytrips every sun or sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
They do show them like they turn off the cameras,
like we're going to church now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
That but that's it yeah yeah, it's just I honestly
I love the the winter survivalstuff like I love watching him
get through like a negative 20night with no tent and he's just
like I'm gonna freaking survivefor a night in negative 20, but
anyway, all right, let's do thebaron clip okay, let me get

(01:08:14):
who's?
Jerry metadix.
I know eric metadix, oh, that'smetaxis.
I don't know who jerry Metadix,oh that's.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Metaxas.
I don't know who Jerry Metadixis.
I couldn't agree more.
I've come to this conclusionrecently but I think you're
exactly right by a wicked mindthat wanted to undermine the
church.
But then now look at the whole20th century and the level of
destruction and degradation.
It's hard for me to imagineit's just because of political

(01:08:46):
forces or cultural forces.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
I couldn't agree more .
I've come to this conclusionrecently, but I think you're
exactly right.
So what's the St Michael'sprayer that was?

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
St Michael the archangel, defend us in battle.
I won't get it exactly right,but it's an invocation of Stael
to defend us in battle againstthe devil who sends his minions
for the destruction of souls.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
so it's a very conscious awareness of the
presence of evil in the world Iguess that's look, I get being
on the spot, but he should haveknown way more than that the
thing is that's not as bad aspeople seem to make it out to be

(01:09:25):
well like I said, I like I'vebeen on shows where like,
especially like the, the hailmary and latin, like if you're
saying the ave maria and it'slike like you're just put on the
spot in the moment, yeah, like,so like it's like growing up
right in in in the church, uh,and like in our fatima cadet

(01:09:48):
stuff, every year we did aliving rosary where every you
know, every kid is one bead andyou go through the kids saying
they each say whatever theirprayer is and, like I, prayed
the rosary daily.
Growing up, like you know, Ihad every single, you know
standard Catholic prayermemorized by like the age of
eight yeah, to this day, put onthe spot, like to say the Hail

(01:10:10):
Mary, you'll forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's like my brain just gone.
Yeah, it's Santa Maria, MaterDei.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Ora Pernobis Peccatoribus, nunc et in hora
mort, stop it.
I know it, I'm just telling youwhen you put on the spot, what
about the?

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
first half.
Oh, stop it, I said, when thesecond half comes to you.
That's why, at least in thesecond half, no, it was bad,
you're right it's pretty bad.
But the thing is it's bad to usbecause we go to the, the latin
mass, so I hear the saintmichael prayer every sunday,

(01:10:51):
like it's it's embedded in us,where bishop baron doesn't say
the saint michael prayer, notregularly.
If he's saying the rosary daily, he should be.
He's not, though he said he'snever had like he prays the
daily office like I don't thinkhe prays the rosary daily.
He prays the daily office likehe's a priest, priest or priest
or priests have to pray thedaily office yeah they have to.

(01:11:15):
So like really the the rosary isthe ladies daily office,
essentially Right.
So it's like a priest isn'tgoing to pray it the way we pray
it.
But um, and I skipped the StMichael's prayer a lot when I do
the rosary too, like when Ipray the rosary, I don't, I

(01:11:35):
don't know we say the StMichael's prayer, I don't, I,
I'll get through.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Once I get through that last decade, I'll you say
that, you say the hail, holyqueen right hail, holy queen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
And um yeah, but that's usually.
I'll usually end it like if I'mespecially if I'm doing it on
my way into work.
It's like we don't add thesaint michael prayer to our
rosary.
Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
it's not so many guys .
Rosaries are normally, they'repart of the rosary, but I've
never in any public rosary I'veever been and I've never heard
it not said yeah but like I said, when I like, when I pray my
rosary daily, I don't always saythe same michael prayer don
shut your mouth

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
he's right, rob's a modernist and he was a michael
friend of the rosary everybodycalled you out rob I knew it was
coming too it's very common butit's not part of the rosary.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Was that interview in ?

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
charlotte, he may have been respecting local
customs but that's so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
That's what I was just about to say.
Like the, the charlotte bishopactually was going to ban the
saying of the saint michaelprayer.
So like there are some novasordo parishes that are very
traditional and they say thesaint michael prayer at the end
of mass.
There are a lot of.
There are a lot of traditionalparishes they say the rosary
right.
So like you'll say the rosarybefore mass and then you'll say

(01:13:01):
the St Michael pair at the endof mass is a lot of good
traditional Nova Sordo parishesthat will do that.
And he was trying to ban that.
They're trying to ban kneelingfor communion.
He was trying to like crazythings this guy was going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I did not see anything with the Charlotte SSBX
I don't know what this isreferring to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
No, me neither.
Yeah, supers did ban it.
Yes, baron does believe in thedevil, all right.
So the other thing I wanted tojust go over was Kale's tweet.
So Kale just said I'mtwo-thirds through Bishop

(01:13:48):
Barron's combo with Tucker.
It's wonderful.
It's a teacher being asked by acurious man about why he
believes what he believes andhow he believes.
It is witness in its purestform.
If it triggers you, log off andgo in a quiet room for 10
minutes because you've letideology pollute your seeing and
hearing.
Baron understands the assignment.
He is reaching an audience ofmillions through tucker, while

(01:14:11):
first talking to the man himself.
So I see that point of viewalso.
Um, and, like I said, it's oneof those things where I do
appreciate Baron going in andhaving these conversations in
these places that aren'ttypically having them.
So I do like that he went andspoke with Jordan Peterson.

(01:14:34):
I do like that he had ShiaLaBeouf on.
I do like that he had theconversation with Tucker.
But Cale, yes, yes, I mean Cale,you're a bit of a boomer man.
He's a bit of a boomer guy.
He's like look, I got to havefriends of all ages guys.

(01:14:54):
I just you know it's all right.
Um, I, baron is like the okay,especially for a guy like kale.
I'll explain this to you guys.
So, um, for those of you whoare recent converts or converted

(01:15:15):
in the last 10 years, you, it'sthe same thing, uh, the same
kind of hero the jp2 was andbenedict was, baron was in that
mix.
Baron was very much the like inthat lighthouse catholic media
world.
He was, uh, I know, cal's not aboomer, he's gen x, don's a

(01:15:38):
boomer.
So, bishop Barron when he cameout with that Catholicism series
, he was very much seen as likea super Orthodox priest, like he
was.
He was Father Barron back then.
He wasn't Bishop Barron backthen and he was just seen as a

(01:15:59):
very orthodox priest trying topresent the faith he was.
He was seen on on the samelevel as, like, uh, father mike
schmitz and scott han.
He was very much in the mixwith all those guys.
So for these guys, like they'll, oh, like baron will always
hold a special place for them.
Like, yeah, but you have to,all right.

(01:16:24):
So, current celebrity NormieCatholic, like that was your
catechesis for years in the late90s, like the 90s and 2000s,
you got your catechesis throughScott Hahn, jeff Cavins freaking
.
What, uh, fricking, what's hisname?
Who's the guy with the cowboyhat?
Not Jeff, not Jeff, not JimmyEakin.

(01:16:45):
The other guy, steven, uh,steve Ray.
Like you got your catechesisfrom these guys.
These were the.
These were the Protestantconverts who came in.
They were convinced of theCatholic faith and they actually
explained the Catholic faithbetter than any of your cradle
Catholics were at the time.
Like they were still so caughtup in the council stuff and like

(01:17:07):
you had these Protestants comein and they actually talked
about, like what madeCatholicism unique, where most
of the Catholic hierarchy weretalking're, talking about how,
how we're just like everybodyelse.
So you know, baron is a cradleCatholic, obviously, but he was

(01:17:27):
very much in the mix with all ofthose lighthouse Catholic media
guys.
So I think he'll always hold aspecial place to a lot of people
like, and he was one of thefirst ones to get out on the
YouTube world and actually goand confront these new atheist
types and things like that.
So I understand people'sattachment to him.
I understand people's affinityfor him.

(01:17:48):
I just think we're in adifferent era than we were back
in the 90s and 2000s and I thinkthat young men are looking for
something a little more bold atthe moment.
So that's our Baron Tucker take, we're going to go over to the
other side now and we're goingto talk about some some other

(01:18:09):
stuff.
I do have quite a few storiesthat could lead to very good
discussions.
Let me just see Was thereanything else we were supposed
to cover?
No we'll do it on the other sideeither way.
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Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
They all came from, yeah, otherwise, you're all just
stuck with all the biz.
Larpers that on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
I'll tell you, man, the biz larpers that on youtube.
I'll tell you man, I find itdifficult to listen to um a lot
of things these days.
Like I've really just decidedI'm watching outdoor boys, like
I really I'm just like I'm kindof done listening to a lot of
like I I don't know, I I likedoing this, I like, I like what

(01:19:19):
we talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
But yeah, I don't watch uh other path of content
at all I do, I still, I still do, but it's getting rare.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
So I think what we're gonna do.
I want to ask hitchborn to comeback on because, uh, before I
left I was on um joe mclean showwith him and I.
We were talking about somestuff over there and I was like
you'll be my first guest when Iget back from greece, we'll have
you on.
So rob and I did our showtonight.
I think we're gonna gethitchborn on thursday if he's
available.
And then we got to figure outwhen we're bringing nick back on

(01:19:49):
, because everybody seems to bemissing nick.
And, yes, we have to get theoon, but that's going to be a
scheduling issue because he's in.
He's in the uk theo from fromthe two cities podcast yeah,
yeah, yeah, for sure so, uh,we're gonna have to figure that
one out.
I'll have to reach out.
It might have to be a saturdayshow yeah um, so we'll figure

(01:20:10):
that out.
All right, guys, come over tolocals, we'll see you on the
other side.
Take us out, rob or just killthe feed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, I'm going to kill the feed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
What did Bobby just send me?
Oh, I can't even watch that.
That's horrific.
Why would you send me that,bobby?
All right we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Someone says Catholic Christian deserves to be
invited on, after you slanderedhim on twitter.
Yeah, no, we didn't.
We didn't.
We didn't go after the guy hardenough.
Who, uh, the he's the guy theum no, the.
Everyone was arguing with himwhen the charlotte news dropped.
He's the.

(01:21:03):
That was while I was away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
I was away for that what what happened with him?

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
you're the one who retweeted him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Let me see if I can find the tweet that no one likes
what's funny is like um, steveand uh rick were saying like
everybody outside of charlotteshould just shut up.
You guys don't know what'sgoing on and everybody's like
rick.
So rick was complaining thatlife site was getting a petition

(01:21:43):
together and petitions arecringe like they definitely are.
But I do think we're in adifferent time than we were
under francis.
Like I do think under francis,when you complained on podcast,
francis would double down justto be like, oh yeah, screw you
where I?
I don't think it's going to bethat way with leo.
Like I really do think leowants to bring some kind of
peace to the church.

(01:22:04):
So I think the complainingactually got some things done
and it clearly did, you know.
So it's like the, the uh stevewas like, oh, I don't want.
You know I'm not trying to makefun of steve like he didn't
want podcasters going off ontheir typical tangents because
he thought it would just make itworse.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
He went on three or four podcasts to give interviews
.
I think it was more.
He just didn't want people totalk about it without him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
I'm serious, yeah, because he's in the know and
it's his diocese.
People are weird about theirstuff.
They are.
Did you find the tweet?

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I'm going at that.
I've been more active ontwitter than I should have been
over the last couple weeks I canyawn on this side, won't catch
any pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Oh, let me.
While you're doing that, I'mgoing to log into locals, okay,
Does anyone in the chat have thetweet?
I want to tell you guys whathappened in Greece, though.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Lots of things happened in Greece, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Yeah, but like some crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Okay, so at real, ericccabe is the guy.
Let me see the tweet.
Oh yeah, the oh.
So he said the fact thateveryone is freaking out about
tlm restrictions is exactly whywe need them.
Detached from liturgicalobsession and ideology, is the
stay-at-home dad I retweetedthat.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
I don't remember reading that no, well, that's
his tweet.
I don't know what you saidabout it I actually I was away
during this whole fiasco and Ihad to tap out because I was
like I I have to be present, butlike I can't, I can't, I

(01:24:05):
couldn't be caught up in liturgywars in america while I was
away you turned your phone offand we all thought you were
legitimately dead yeah, I had to.
Just, I was just like this isnot because I would have gotten
sucked right in, and I was.
I found myself getting angrylike I felt like I did when
traditionist came out and I waslike this isn't even.
Like I felt like I did whentraditionist came out and I was
like this isn't even my diocese,I'm away with my family.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Let me, let me, let me just get out of this yeah, so
I don't see that you retweetedthat, so I don't know what that
guy's talking about um, don'stelling me what happens in
Greece, stays in Greece.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
but so first say the funny story about your daughter
drinking.
Wait, which story?
Which one?

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
The one where you said she started drinking more
or less like for the first timeand started asking the cute
bartender how to.
Oh, and you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I need to put her in a convent.
Yeah, holy cow.
So, like my daughter doesn'tdrink, you know, so I bring her
down, so we're staying in thisbeautiful villa and but if you
walk down the cliff, there'slike a walkway down the cliff
and there's this beautiful likeresort at the bottom of it and
there's a bar there and I bringmy daughter down to the bar and

(01:25:33):
I get her a pina colada and shedrinks it and there's like three
, uh, 20 something bartendersthere and she's like um, she
finishes her pina colada andshe's like how do you say thank
you in greek?
And he's like at party, sowhatever the hell word he tells
her and she goes how do you saythank you, handsome, I go get

(01:25:55):
your ass, don't you dare?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
you should have asked the greek guy.
Do they have a comment?

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
I'm on athos because I'm about yes, I got a nice
masculine drink he gets her themasculine drinks we had.
so, okay, so we're there.
We went.
It was my in-laws took us onthe trip.
Um, it was my family, my wife'stwo sisters and their families.

(01:26:29):
Now, my in-laws paid for thevilla and they took us out to
three very nice dinners, but therest of it was kind of on us
and my, my sister-in-law, waslike very upset because she's
like they're they're offering totake us on vacation, but like
they're not really taking us onvacation.

(01:26:52):
You know, it's like like itcaused it caused us a lot of
money to go.
So there was just this, likethis tension about money the
whole time and then, like, whenyou're managing 16 personalities
, people won't get along, youknow, and every single time this
was going on, it was like meand my family were in the middle

(01:27:14):
, because me and my family werejust there having the best time,
like we just like I get alongwith every single person in her
family.
My wife is the last person thatwould ever cause trouble but
there was just this tension onthe other two sides and it was
like me and my wife were justcaught in the middle of the
whole freaking time.
So they all had little kidsalso.

(01:27:34):
So there was just like like oneor two nights where I was just
like, all right, nicole, let'sjust go out and take Nikki and
Sophia out.
And we went out like barhopping with our 18 and 19 year
old.
It was actually like really fun.
We just got to hang out withour kids and it was.
It was interesting to like likeyou go through different phases
when you're raising kids andlike I loved to have, I loved

(01:27:58):
having little kids around somuch, but now that my kids are
adults, essentially it's sointeresting to like sit and have
a conversation over a cocktailwith them and like get them to
start talking to you about likereal things.
You know, the thing is I havestories I want to tell but I'm
like man, I don't want to get introuble.

(01:28:19):
I can't want to get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I can't I mean which stories, Cause you've told a lot
of the stories.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
I know I have, but man did we have way less
subscribers?
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Are we telling people they shouldn't have subscribed?
If less people had subscribedto locals, they'd get better
stories.
Okay, that's going to do havesubscribed.
If less people had subscribedto locals they'd get better
stories.
Okay, that's that's gonna dothe opposite of get people to
come to locals okay, so oh manyeah, just change the names,
right, if it's not that, it'snot that like I don't care about
I don't care about telling thepeople and locals.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
I worry that a family member will watch this.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Wait, hold on.
Let me actually make this forsupporters only at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Oh dude, I'll kill you.
Are you kidding me?
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
It does a minute-long countdown, so don't say
anything for a minute that youdon't want people to hear it
looks gay with that hair.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
This is the haircut I've always had.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
I think that's grover , I'm sure he always.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
He always finds his way in um.
Yeah, I'm not worried about youguys at all.
Like what do you?
You guys don't know my family,who cares um?

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
yeah, if he had been dead in greece I I didn't have
his wife's number to even texttext her, yeah, but like, all
right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
So, dude, I all right .
So I've told the story on airabout my sister-in-law getting
left a lot of money, yes, by mywife's grandfather, right.
So when that happened, thatactually is like a very big part
of my conversion and because,like, I saw like real envy and

(01:30:19):
hatred in myself and it was likelike I had to like come to
terms with that and and reallylearn to be happy for people, no
matter what good happens tothem.
So, like it, like I saw such anugliness in me because when,

(01:30:39):
when that happened, like Ireally wished bad upon them.
I wasn't just like I was madthat my wife wasn't left the
money, I was like I hope theyburn through every fricking
dollar of that and they havefricking like I wanted the worst
for them and like living withthat in me led to me like

(01:31:02):
calling out to God for help,because I was like this is, this
is evil Like I.
It was evil, legit evil, butliving through that experience
helped me like learn perspectivefor every everybody in my life.
Like it.
It made me that like, when goodthings happen to people, like
I'm always happy for thembecause, like, when, when, when,

(01:31:25):
good things happen to otherpeople, if it in any way
negatively affects you, it onlyaffects you.
Like having hatred for somebody,having envy towards something
like it does not affect anybodybut you you think you're hurting
the person by by having thatfeeling, but you don't, you
actually just destroy your ownsoul.
But because I went through thatexperience like my, my wife's

(01:31:46):
other sister married amultimillionaire Like when I say
multimillionaire this guy is,forget how wealthy and they have
everything and it helped me,like so the one sister got left
money and the other sistermarried a wealthy guy and me and

(01:32:07):
my wife were kind of just likeyou know, I'm a construction
worker and live very normal life.
But what it did was it helpedme and my wife not just me like
my wife was able to have verysimilar experience to me where,
like, she then was able to behappy for her one sister and
then, when the other sister wasvery fortunate too, it was the
same thing.
It was like you know what, likejust be happy for them, like

(01:32:29):
why would you ever not be happyfor somebody but the, the sister
?
that he married into jerseyshore the sister that was left,
the money did actually gothrough, all the money.
Yeah, okay, like I mean it's,it's, it was 17 years ago.
Like they did actually gothrough all the money and her

(01:32:49):
they don't make what I make,even close.
Like.
So even even going on this tripwas very hard for them.
Like I get paid time off so Iwas able to at least like I
didn't miss a paycheck going,like with the we we had to pay
for half the airfare, so it waslike, uh, right off the bat,

(01:33:10):
before we even won, it was like2500 a family.
Then, uh, they had to getpassports renewed.
It was another thousand.
Then he loses a week's pay,like he was in for five grand
before he even stepped foot onthe island.
So then when we go there,they're like, like you know,
this is like they wanted to goon an all-inclusive, so like

(01:33:30):
they didn't have to really payfor it, right, but because we
all knew they were in thatsituation, like the, the other
sister was like offering to payfor stuff and that causes its
own problems.
They took it as like an insult,right.
So like it was like anythinganybody wanted to do was a

(01:33:52):
problem with this one, and thenthis one was offended because
they wouldn't accept it and itwas just dude.
It was just like I was just inthe middle like I, I want to.
I just want to go hang out.
Guys, can we just like?
Can we just go into town andlike go have fun?
And it got to the point where,like the last day, um, my son
just said to me he was like likewe thought we were all gonna

(01:34:12):
just like hang out together andhave like a really fun last day
and everybody was just kind oflike bummed out on the last day,
my son goes, dad, goes, dad,let's just go do something.
Like we're in Greece, when thehell are we going to do
something Like?
I want to go see some stuff.
So we wound up going to Delosand Delos was a fricking really
cool place.
It was this island that it's themythical birthplace of Apollo

(01:34:38):
and you go there and it's likedude, this was at one point in
time it was all like the priestsand priestesses of the ancient
Greek religions would have likeorgies on the island and things
like that.
And then it became a Romanoutpost and a trading post.
So you see, all of these Iactually let me see if I can

(01:35:03):
find the tweet so you can bringit up, cause I posted a thread
on it so you can actually seesome of the pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Yeah, I have it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
You got it.
Yeah, just just look up deloson my uh, so okay.
So you go there and likethere's, there's these platforms
and altars and things like that, where, like they would
literally like do their ancientgreek religion.
So the whole island is likethis.
But you also see like howeverything's in ruins like that.

(01:35:40):
Those used to be lions.
They look like seals now, butjust from weather and all that
stuff, they they don't look likelions anymore.
But I'm looking at it and I'mlike why are they all in ruins
like this?
Though, like I don't understand, was there like a violent thing
that happened here?
So, like me and my son went onthis like quest to like find out
what happened, and we're likereading every single one of the

(01:36:01):
plaques and stuff.
So it turns out there was,there was the.
It was devastated and lootedtwice, once by Mithridates the
sixth and Pontus.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Mithridates the sixth and Pontus in 88 BC and again
by pirates in 69 BC.
These attacks and subsequentchanges in trade routes led to
the islands decline and eventualabandonment.
But then in the middle agesthey found a monastery there.
Like there were Christians tookit over, there was a Christian
art all over the place also.
But I'm like, why are thebuildings in ruins?

(01:36:38):
Because these things were builtto last thousands of years and
you could see the remnants ofwhat's there are still very much
intact.
But what happened was, after acertain point in time, people
just started looting the islandfor building materials and
instead of having to go to arock quarry and actually quarry

(01:36:58):
the rocks and cut them and stuffrock quarry and like, actually
quarry the rocks and cut themand stuff they would just go and
steal the blocks from me, uh,from delos, and bring them to
the neighboring islands andbuild things with those blocks.
So like, everywhere you went on,this island looked like a world
war ii, not even on delos, onmykonos.
Like it looked like a world warii fort, just all done in stone
, and like it was just such anunreal place, man I I never seen

(01:37:23):
anything like it.
Like, everywhere you see isjust this white plaster but then
all these beautiful stoneworkeverywhere.
It was just very cool, but itfelt like when we left there, it
was like like there was just somuch tension and what it made

(01:37:43):
me realize is that that originalgift that the one sister got
was really a curse, like becausethey never got to go through
the same like in in when itfirst happened I thought it was
like I, I thought it was a curseon my wife, almost I was like
why would he do this to my wife?

(01:38:07):
It's not like he had a specialrelationship with my sister.
It was a really weird thingthat happened, but I see God's
hand in it in hindsight, whereit was just like there was such
a blessing in disguise in thatmoment, but she never got to
experience that.
So, like everything to her hasbeen just this comparison ever

(01:38:28):
since and I like my heart hurtsfor her and that's why she's
she's the one that I think Ihave a very good chance of like
bringing to god, because I I dosee like a lot of the hurt
that's there.
You know, it's like the, the I,I.
I see she's experiencing what Iexperienced at one time, you

(01:38:52):
know, and it's like I'm hoping Ican like maybe reach her
because I feel like like she,she's got an openness to it,
because she knows something'soff with the way she's feeling.
You know, she knows it's not,she knows there's something off
with it, because I had that veryexact same experience.
So it's like it's it'ssomething that I uh bring her to

(01:39:14):
the novice order.
Look, sometimes like thesecrazy things that happen are the
thing that God uses to bring usto him, you know.
So it's like it does it?
Whatever happened happened?
It's not you know.
It's just I'm hoping that, like, whatever it is she's

(01:39:35):
experiencing is making her lookdeeper at, like, the meaning of
things.
You and it's like like none ofthe material crap ever makes
anybody happy.
It's, it's.
It's it might make things alittle bit easier, but it
doesn't actually fulfill you inany way.
It it's just material stuff andit's.
You know, some of the most,some of the most troubled people

(01:39:59):
have the most materialpossessions.
It's just the way it goes.
Have you tried reading her thegospel in Hawaiian Pigeon?
What's been going on with you?
While I was away, You've beenpretty quiet.

(01:40:19):
What do you mean?
You checked out the group chatsa little bit.
Were you just hanging out,hoping the kids?

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Oh, just really, really busy, yeah, just busy.
The kids are in T-Ball now, sothat's every Monday night and
Wednesday night ball now, and sothat's every monday night, a
wednesday night, um, going tomass, you know, and on sundays

(01:40:50):
is a is a whole day event andthen stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
So yeah, uh, rob, and I fought wars on twitter.
Yeah, rob, and I fought wars ontwitter, yeah what do you
think's going on with russia andukraine?
Yeah, in regard to, like, therecent the recent events, like
what is going on there I, Idon't know, I, I, what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
What ukraine did was absolutely insane that's right.
Like I, don't think peopleunderstand the insanity of what
ukraine did, uh, those so.
So, for those of you don't know, ukraine used, um, they
basically smuggled in drones,shut up Siri.

(01:41:40):
Ukraine used semis to smuggledrones into Russia.
They drove these semis towithin a couple miles of some of
Russia's strategic air andnaval bases.
And these are bases thousandsof miles away from Ukraine,

(01:42:24):
where the weapons involved arein no way involved in the war on
Ukraine, becauseica, more orless in the event of a nuclear
war, and so, like I said, theseweapons are in no way involved
in the war in ukraine and they,the bombers specifically, were,
all you know, lined up outsideon a runway very easy to hit.
And the reason for that is it'sdue to treaty regulations

(01:42:48):
between the US and Russia,that's called the START treaties
, where we can verify eachother's nuclear arsenals and
nuclear readiness and basicallyverify that we're doing what we
agree to in these treaties.
So parts of their nucleararsenal are always visible to

(01:43:09):
our satellite so we can see andverify, and part of our nuclear
arsenal is always out in theopen available to their
satellite so they can see andverify, right?
So Ukraine uses thisopportunity to wipe out um part
of their nuclear arsenal.
Uh, the bombers that canactually deliver these weapons,
um, and the number, number ofdestroyed is ukraine is saying

(01:43:33):
one thing, russia's saying theother, of course, um, but like,
even, even if it's so, russia'ssaying like five, ukraine's
saying like 40, and Russia'sonly got like 60 to 80 of these
types of bombers.
And these are bombers that werebuilt during the Cold War and
Russia doesn't build any more ofthem, you know, and even
getting parts for these thingsare near impossible.

(01:43:53):
And it's the same way in the US.
That's why our strategicnuclear bombers, most of them,
are B-52s made up in the 1950s.
We're not building more of them.
We hardly have the parts forthem, like the fact we plan on
using them up until like 2050.
These things are going to be100 years old before we get rid
of them.
So Russia is the same way.
So, even if Russia only lostfive of them, that's insane.

(01:44:18):
That's insane.
And Russia and the US both takestrikes on these strategic
nuclear capabilities to be moreor less nuclear strikes, like,
no, they didn't use nukes,someone's ability to use nukes.

(01:44:41):
That throws the whole mutuallyassured destruction calculation
into a tailspin to where,suddenly, like, if they're doing
that is that because they planon launching a first strike?
And if they're going to launcha first strike, does that mean
you need to launch a firststrike right now to stop it Like
.
This is the stuff thatliterally would have started the
apocalypse in the eighties,yeah, and the fact that
Ukraine's playing around withthis and they're saying they did

(01:45:02):
it all by themselves nointelligence, no support from
the West.
If that's the case, that'sinsane and if anything, we
should be the ones taking outZelensky, like we should bomb
that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
At that point.
Yeah, Because he's going tostart World War freaking 3.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
You know, so we should be the ones to shut it
down.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
It three, you know, so we should be the ones to shut
it down.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
It's just absurd to think we didn't know they were
gonna do it.
If we did know and we like, ifwe did know and we allowed it,
then trump is 10 times worsethan biden dude.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
I just think I've been watching this
Russia-Ukraine nonsense play outfor 20 years.
It's the same thing with Israeland Gaza.
There's no stopping it.
It's a train set in motion.
I don't care who the presidentis.
This is way past presidencylevels.

(01:45:58):
This is like CIA-level stuffthat they've been working
towards.
They've been working on it for20 years.
They're not going to abandontheir plan out of nowhere, like
I think there's going to be.
I thought it was going to bethat they were going to get some
peace treaties signed and thensomebody they were going to use
a false flag to say Russia brokethe peace treaty, or something

(01:46:19):
like that.
But this is just pure insanity.
Like they did nothing to thebattlefield.
It's not like Ukraine gainedany momentum on the battlefield
here at all.
They bombed places that havenothing to do with the war
itself.
They're still in the same exactposition as they were on the
battlefield, except now theypissed Russia off really bad.

(01:46:41):
So I don't, I don't know, man.
This is, this is getting intofor you younger guys, man, you
guys in your 20s, you guysshould all be freaking furious
about this, because what itreally means is, if they wanted
to drag us in, they're going toneed a false flag on American
soil too, like there's no waythe American people are going to
go for going to war with russiawithout a pearl harbor incident

(01:47:03):
yeah, like like I, I am, ofcourse, as a catholic, I'm
completely against the use ofnuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
But if, um, if putin were to use, uh, what they call
a tactical nuclear weapon inthis scenario to strike Ukraine,
no one should be surprised.
This has literally been aRussian doctrine forever.
They've warned everyone.
You know what the US doctrineis?
The same.
Someone takes out one of ournuclear missile submarines on

(01:47:38):
purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
You, you started a nuclear war you're essentially
starting a nuclear war.
It's crazy, no man, they'regonna take uh over to the
delhi's.
Uh, yeah, I just.
I just move on to theology.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Do you think the recent kind of attacks by
so-called Palestinian supportersin the US are actually what
they say they are?

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Such as the murder of the two Jews and then the
so-called Egyptian guy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
I think the narrative coming out of it is crazy, like
saying, oh one was a Holocaustsurvivor.
Like shut up what there's aholocaust survivor in there,
come on.
That's ridiculous, but no, I dothink israel has done enough to
infuriate people that peoplewould be willing to do with that
guy yeah, yeah, like it's not,that's not that's not.
I don't need that to be a falseflag thing.

(01:48:37):
That's like what you know,especially somebody from egypt
watching.
You know the guy's egyptian,like that doesn't sound so crazy
to me oh I don't.
I'm not crazy about pope leo'sinitiatives with israel.
It's like I'm just tired ofthis post-World War II narrative

(01:48:59):
.
I'm just pretty sick of it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
I mean, you know, we weren't Catholic from Chicago.
He was never, not going to befor Israel.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
He's literally my dad's age, born the same year as
my dad, and I tried to havethat conversation with my dad
and it's impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
I'm planning on cutting off a finger to dodge
the draft my son's 19 dude.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
I'm very worried yeah .

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
I'm also like I really am concerned that there's
going to be some kind of afalse flag thing you know, for
everyone who said that russiaand putin are like the
bloodthirsty aggressor in thiswhole situation, the fact that
it's been what two or three daysnow and in russia hasn't
actually yet responded.
Yeah, there was a lot of actualum I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
Putin's gonna catch hell from his own people if he
doesn't do anything like there'sa lot of factions in russia
that wants him to just unleashhell most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Uh, you know, in the west we hear how he's like this
authoritarian dictator tyrant,that that the people are all
against.
And there's these protests inmoscow and st petersburg and so
on, and everyone hates them.
It is all nonsense.
It would be like, you know,showing a crowd of 100 people in
san francisco protesting wellanything and saying, oh, all of

(01:50:36):
america is against this.
No, sorry, the russian peopleas a whole rather love putin and
always have, because he's, he'slike the authoritarian father
figure that, like the russianpeople like inherently need and
desire, um and he they, theythink he loves them and they
think he works for them and doeswhat's best for them.

(01:50:57):
And if, if you think about it,it's the same reason why so many
mega people like Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Yeah, Do you think this is actually a good point,
like, do you think ADHDmedication would disqualify kids
from getting drafted?

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
I don't know.
I don't know the fullregulations on what does and
doesn't.
I know asthma disqualifies youbecause that's why I got not
into west point, but um, I don'tknow that'll be, that'll be
interesting to say.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Everybody running out to go get on riddling and
breaking historically.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Like the military gives their soldiers meth right.
Don't you want a bunch of kidson Adderall?

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Whacked out of their freaking mind.
Oh man Hang on, we gotsomething else we could cover
before we cut out.
Oh, what was the setting upthat chat all about?

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
I didn't I think I said about uh, just there, x
slash.
Twitter is coming out with anew, different, integrated chat
program.
Instead of just dms.
It's going to be like encrypted.
I don't.
I don't know, I haven't triedit yet um, okay, and then wait.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Did you see the trump ai video I saw you tweet, but I
didn't watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Oh, dude you gotta watch that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
Hang on on.
We're going to play that.
That's what we got to play.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Okay, let me find it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Here, I got it, I'll send it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Well, when did you tweet it?
It has to be I got it.
I send it.
Well, when did you tweet it?
It has to be I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
I sent it to the DM.
You gotta watch this video.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
This is nuts why are my DMs coming up?

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Don's going to bed.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Yeah, we're wrapping it up in a minute, don.
We're just going to play thisTrump clip because this AI is
wild, like how accurate theyhave AI down to now that this
kind of leads in with the Russiaconversation.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
To me they're the absolute worst group of people
we've got in our country andit's not even close.
I think we'd all be better offwith them gone.
But, as I was saying, myadministration and I have been
taking careful note of the workof Colossa Labs, the biotech
company that resurrected thedire wolf.
If they can bring back wolves,they can bring back dinosaurs.

(01:54:02):
Terrible lizard, that's whatdinosaur means if you break it
down.
But picture this folks.
Velociraptor mounted borderpatrol agents, they'll rip your
head clear off.
Pterodactyls patrolling theskies, velociraptors on the
ground to prevent theimmigration apocalypse we may
have to counter with a dinoapocalypse.
Folks, it's true, they're theabsolute worst group of people

(01:54:26):
we've gotten how realistic isthat?

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
yeah?
It's pretty dude it looked atfirst.
It sounds just like it doesn'thave that.
Ai feel to it, like that lookslegit if you and the funniest
part is like if that really wastrump, like you wouldn't doubt
it.
Like it sounds like some crazycrap he would say like he's out
of his mind and it's like I'mjust, I cannot.

(01:54:55):
I don't know what happens in ayear or two when just fake
imagery is being thrown at us.
It's going to be nuts howrealistic it is and how accurate
it all is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Yeah, I think there's going to be.
I don't know.
We've got to come up with a wayto verify you have verified.
We got to come up with a way toverify you have, like verified.
And of course, the problem is,once you start coming up with
ways to have verified, likecommunications, that's a good
way for government to controlthings.

(01:55:30):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
I mean Digital ID, and in that bill that Trump
passed, part of it was thatstates can't.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Well, the bill hasn't passed.
The bill hasn't passed.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
The House passed it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
The House passed it the house passed it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
The house passed, all right, still gotta go through.
The senate did it go throughsenate.
Yet did they?
Did they shoot it down?
It hasn't gone through yet notyet um, but in that bill it
talks about uh states not beingable to regulate ai for 10 years
, federal government havingcomplete control over regulation
on it and it sucks because Ireally want that bill to pass
because it deregulatesoppressors, does it?

(01:56:03):
Yeah, it also.
No tax on tips and overtimeyeah it's like huge for me.
Plus, I don't know how superchats work with tips, like I
don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
To me, this whole, this whole gig is tips like I
think the irs probably saysotherwise yeah, but this whole
gig is tips.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
Come on, um, palantir is going to have all the date,
all my data and send the droneafter me to explode my head due
to antisemitism.
That's.
I do worry about that stuff,man.
Yeah, like the things we talkabout, like even the texts we
send, everything like they'relike him giving palantir that
kind of control over our data.

(01:56:47):
I mean they were doing itanyway, like that was the whole
snowden leaks and everythinglike they're doing it anyway.
But, like man, they are at anadvanced stage in ai where
they're going to be able to telleverything yeah, I don't know,
man, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Uh, it really does make you wonder.
Like is it?
Is it?
Would it be worth a full reset?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
like I just think this is like the ai stuff.
I think is going to lead todigital ID, because you're going
to have to have verification,you're going to need to know
that who's saying something isactually saying it and you're
going to need that digitalverification ID.
But, like I don't know, I thinkit's all leading to that.
It's just leading to another.
I see another COVID-likesomething.

(01:57:39):
It may not be a virus this time, it could be something else,
but it's just going to beanother covid like freaking
disaster that we're all dealingwith worldwide and I don't think
it's that far off.
I don't know.
I don't know how they don't letthis crap get away from them,
like if it's not just theamerican government doing it, it
it's other countries doing it.

(01:57:59):
Like how do we know Russiadoesn't retaliate with some kind
of freaking cyber attack on us?
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
you hear about what the Chinese did.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
Tried to do no.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
They caught a couple members of the Chinese Communist
Party trying to sneak some sortof super mold into some sort of
agricultural facility inmichigan.
Like they said, like if, likeit could have knocked out large
sections of all.
Like american agriculture dudeI didn't read much about like

(01:58:36):
the details, but about like thedetails.
But, um man, we got some unique, uh, unique, new members in
here huh I, I'm almost positive,joe rogan fan is grover you
think?

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
so it has to be.
Just has to be.
Just trying to stir shit.
Yeah, I don't know, man Stuff'sgetting crazy, but this is our
first show back Takes an episodeto get back into the groove.
I don't know.

(01:59:15):
I think we're going to have todo a Pope Alexander.
The Sixth episode soon.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
I have the same book you have I to read it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
It's short, it's quick get through it in a
sitting, yeah yeah, we'll haveto do.
I mean, look, I don't want todo any more pope shows and uh,
you know I really wanted to likeleave liturgy alone until the
whole Charlotte stuff popped off.
Well, there might be good newscoming with it.
So there was decent newstonight.
So let's see how things pan out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Majorian, do you know much about Alexander VI?
Because if you do, we shouldhave you on for it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
I want to have Majorian on anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
Yeah, I want Majorian on.
So should we have majorian onnext episode or or after
hitchborn?
Should we do majorian first andthen hitchborn?
Or because if majorian comes on, we're not like interviewing
him.
He's just going to sit in on anepisode and we're going to do
an episode and he's just goingto be third mike yeah like we'll
let him sit in his third mikeyeah, let's just let's do that.

(02:00:20):
that for Thursday, if he'savailable All right, majority,
and if you're around Thursdaywe'll have you on and you'll
just sit in as a as third mic.
Yeah, don't worry, you're justgoing to.
We'll do cultural commentaryand we'll get your take.
We'll get, we'll get a, we'llget a zoom take on things.

(02:00:44):
And yes, majoran, we knowyultism, that's what we want.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Yeah, I can't wait for him to spaz out and throw
nietzsche into every other wordand okay, no, nietzsche allowed.
That is gonna be the rule.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
We don't need a joe boca tell us how, how nietzsche
converted him.
And look at him, I don't know.
We'll do a woman.
We'll just.
We'll just do a woman aboute-girls.
We'll do an episode aboute-girls, something like that.
But all right, we're going towrap this one up, guys.
It's been fun.
I'm glad to be home and I'mlooking forward to getting back
in the groove of the show.
It was.
It's hard when you go two weekswithout doing it and then jump

(02:01:15):
back on.
If you guys can share it, shareit with people, tell everybody
how great it is, and we'll seeyou guys on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
Buy wine.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Yeah, buy wine.
We'll see you guys Thursday.
Thank you.

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