Cautious Optimism Around Pope Leo XIV

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Sancte, sancte, amare morti.
Decadast nos In taste for averand oh my God, oh my God, oh

(00:58):
my God.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
What are you doing with your camera?
Yeah, there you go.
I'm sorry, I'm trying to get it, can you believe?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
What are you doing with your camera, can you
believe?
So, basically, if I want tolook at Rob, I got to look down
because we had some majortechnical difficulties and I had
to grab my wife's laptop, so mylaptop crapped out on me.
So're a little.
We're lucky we even got ontonight.
Oh, I don't like this.

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I'm looking down.
I really don't like it.
Oh, I'm a lot of sorts.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Sorry guys, andrea is wondering if I got a good white
light I.
These are the same lights Ialways use.
I just change the color on them.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'll tell you, man, I'm not crazy about these
headphones.
You made me get why they're soheavy and like I sweat, like as
it is to have these headphones,I'll mix it up, you can actually
hear me now yeah, I can hearyou.
Before though I heard you farwith the other ones and but so I
don't know if it would workwith you.
Think I could just swapheadphones out yeah, let me see

(02:05):
I wonder if I could do that.
I don't know.
Whatever, I'll deal with it forone episode.
So, man, what are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
because we have you and I haven't spoken I'm
thinking I just need to send youmy macbook.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
That's what I'm using , yeah but you're using your
wife's macbook.
I'm just going to get a newcomputer.
Tomorrow when I get home I'llgo get something yes, brian, we
know we're live.
I'm going to I.
You know what it is like, themy other computer like.
If I just try to sweep over tomy main monitor, it just goes
automatically, but this computerwon't.

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I don't know.
The mac doesn't like interfacewith the second monitor.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well yeah apparently we're the last normal men online
, if we're normal something isvery wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I'm so bad with technology though it's
ridiculous like we werescrambling my other.
My other computer was just likenot, it was.
It was really slow.
So rob was hearing me like fiveseconds after I would say
something.
So I was like, okay, let mejust go get nicole's computer.
I ran upstairs, got it and youhave to download a chrome

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browser in order to use it.
It was, it was just not fun.
So, um, yeah, dude, we haven'tactually spoken.
So we had a lot of thingshappen on this channel since
Pope Leo was elected.
The first episode was I've beenin a show with you since then.
No, I know the first show was meand you had Tim Gordon on.

(03:35):
Yeah with Tim.
And that was like our initialreaction to not Pope Leo the
14th.
That was our reaction toCardinal prevost getting elected
and we were we were gettinginformation in by the second
when that was happening, so itwas like robert, we, uh, we

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don't read the locals chatduring the main part of the show
, just because it's too manythings going on.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So, uh, if anyone is in the locals chat, you should
come on the youtube chat duringthe first part yeah, because
also we can't highlight yourcomments.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, in the locals chat you can't.
We can't highlight yourcomments from locals, so um,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
So that was let's hold off on starting any funds
for anthony until we figure outif I'm gonna have a home in a
day or two.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, honestly, rob, you're on the red alert right.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
No, the closest evacuation advisory is right at
the edge of town.
I think they're prettyconfident they can hold a fire
to the edge of town if need be.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
That's good.
Yeah, so Rob's got fires goingon in in minnesota, which
usually don't start to whataugust or something that I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
so we, the state kind of has two fire seasons there.
There usually is one in thebeginning of the, basically
right after the snow melts,before everything turns green,
um, but up here we're usuallypretty wet that time of year, so
we don't tend to get that one.
And then usually in August, asit gets hot and things start to

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dry out, that's when we normallyhave fires up here.
But we did not have a lot ofsnow on the ground this year, so
things dried out quick yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, we'll keep.
We'll keep everybody posted onthat.
But yeah, I don't need acomputer fund.
You guys have been so generous.
As it is we, I would muchrather you guys just join locals
.
Um, I'd rather give rob half,half the money that you'd want
to give to me we do need peopleto join locals because we're
going to do a local show tonight.
We haven't done locals in alittle while, so if we don't
continuously do local shows, thesubscribers just drop off

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drastically.
So but all right, so back backto it.
We, uh, we came on with himthat night.
We were it was informationcoming in like a fire hydrant
basically, and we were justtrying to figure out who this
guy was now since he's been in.
I came on with nick and I wasgoing to just do a show with me

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and Nick where we were like alittle more level headed and I
had spoken to a couple of normiepeople that are like from work.
So, like all my friends fromwork know I'm Catholic.
So I was getting phone callsfrom guys from work and like so
what do you think of the newpope?
And my initial instinct wasjust yeah, no't know, it's not
good.
And I came back home and I waslike man, why would I like,

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especially after seeing how thecouple of days progressed after
that?
It's like these are guys whoaren't in the know, like listen.
I went and I kind of bad mouththe pope to these guys before
even knowing anything.
So I came on with nick and Iwas, you know, like feeling bad
about that.
And then tim was texting methrough it.
So I brought tim on and had aconversation with tim about,

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like, what the approach shouldbe as we go into it, and that
wound up getting brianholdsworth in the chat.
It wound up being like thiscrazy episode.
It was like one of the craziestepisodes we've had on on our
show because it was veryspontaneous and uh like people
were annoyed.
I didn't just talk to nick thatepisode, but sometimes it's not

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about us and it's like you'reallowing for a moment to happen,
right, you know.
So like you kind of just haveto let the moment happen.
So to get brian and tim ontogether was just a unique
spontaneous opportunity that Ihad to let happen.
And I think the conversationwhere it was just me and Tim
might not have been great foreverybody, but I really do think

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people enjoyed the conversationbetween Brian and Tim because,
like Tim came in very uh,cordial and he wasn't like you
know it was.
It was just a really like niceconversation between two, two,
two guys who there might've beena little weird tension because
Tim misperceived Brian firingoff a video about him, but it
wasn't really about him.

(07:57):
So you know it.
Just, it wound up just being aninteresting moment in Catholic
commentary.
I thought so now, since then youand I have been haven't really
had a chance to sit and talkabout things, but I think both
of us want to remain a bithopeful.
Like that's kind of the feeling, right, like it's not.

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It's like, man, we've had suchtrauma from the past 12 years
that it was almost hard tosoften up to a new guy being in
there.
So I don't know, man, what areyour?
What are your first thoughts?
Because we haven't actually hada conversation on this yet yeah

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, like you, you know when that.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Um, you know when the white smoke happened midday and
then we got notification likewithin the hour who it was.
You know when the white smokehappened midday and then we got
notification like within thehour who it was.
You know, people at work andfamily members started asking,
like you know, do you know whoit is?
And there goes Anthony Don'tknow what he's doing.

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But, yeah, everyone was askingyou know who it was, what we
know about him?
Do we think you know?
Do I think he's going to be agood Pope?
What is he going to be likecompared to Francis?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Sorry, I heard everything you said.
I pulled the plug out onaccident.
Wait, did I switch my mic?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I don't know, keep talking.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
And yeah, just like you, you know what little I did
know about him and what welearned that first.
What is going on with thatcamera?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I'm trying to fix it.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Looks like you're in more smoke than me and I can
hardly see the house across thestreet.
I'm trying to fix it, hang on.
But yeah, what little we knewat the time.
It wasn't great and you knowafter who we had had for 12
years.
You know it felt kind of like ablack bill sort of moment and

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what should have been, you know,a happy, exciting time.
That first day was rough andsaying that sort of stuff to
family members and friends andcoworkers it did feel bad.
It's a little different withFrancis when he had spent 12
years kind of publiclybelittling the actual Catholic
faith and spent 12 yearsattacking actual faithful

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Catholics and stuff.
It didn't hurt so much to saythe truth about him, right, yeah
.
But then to start saying somesimilar things about a man that
I knew nothing about andwhatever the truth had been
about him as a cardinal, youknow now he was you know he was
Cardinal Prevost, now he's PopeLeo.
Youost, now he's Pope Leo.
They kind of are two separatepersons, almost right.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Tim actually argued with me when I said that, and my
point was he's no longer I, butthe royal.
We right, he's not justspeaking on his own behalf, he's
now speaking on behalf ofChrist and himself.
So, ontologically, yes, he'sthe same person.
But something happens, you hope, when a person assumes that

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office, where they say, okay, I,these aren't just the words of
Robert Prevost.
You know, I'm now speaking asPope Leo, the head of the
Catholic church.
Oh no, why are we frozen?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Uh, my network went down.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh, I'm like this is my end again.
All right, we're gone.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Uh, the internet might.
I don't know if it's going tolast the whole show.
You know, with the fire andstuff We'll see.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Hopefully somebody exciting's in the chat.
So if Rob, if rob's house goeson fire, somebody could jump in
and kennedy brian tim.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Anyone out there?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
anybody's out there?
In case mike louis, not you,not you, no, but you want to
know?
It's interesting, I did speak.
I have spoken to mike lewisbecause there is this bizarre
thing happening where everybodyseems to want to claim pope leo
for themselves, right?
So I actually have some uhmessages him and I exchanged and

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I and I said just mike lewis nomike lewis, hopefully no.
No, no, but rob did send arequest.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Hold on.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Let me check my Facebook messages by the way,
rob sent the request to LouPrevost to see if we could get
him on.
Now the thing is, if we got thePope's brother on because I saw
him on Piers Morgan, I actuallypulled a clip that we might
play later I would never wanthim to say anything about the

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pope that could you know like,because what?
What I got from the guy is thathe's not as up on church
politics as we would be I don'teven want to like.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, it'd be more like your brother's the pope.
What is it like for you?

Speaker 3 (13:04):
just like, what is that like to to sit and see your
brother?
Like you know, your brother's acardinal, but it's like, come
on, my brother's not, he's anamerican.
There's no chance my brother'sgonna be the pope and then one
day you just holy cow, mybrother is the pope of the
catholic church.
Like you're talking about, um,a role that is more significant
than a president, moresignificant than a king.

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Like this is he will go down inhistory.
He is a lead, the leader of thecatholic church.
Like you're talking about, themost important institution in
the history of mankind, right,um, let's, let's see.
Uh, just think of how differentyou are since your reversion,
anthony.
There is a change in who youare with.

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Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
And uh, like murray says here, you know he was
different under benedict andfrancis, yeah, but now he
doesn't have to worry about anyof that and he has, you know,
the assistance of the grace ofthe office itself.
So who knows, who knows what?
What's going to happen, right?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
yeah, yeah, and I think what I'm seeing happening
I'm actually happy about, whichis and this is what I was trying
to tell Tim was look, there'ssomething to the American Pope
coming in and not receivinghostility from the Catholic
media in his own country, like Idon't want this new Pope coming

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in who might start extendingthese olive branches and showing
you know, because that's whatit seems like to me like even
these liturgical gestures.
Now, mike Lewis disagrees.
I'm going to go through what hesaid, but to me it seemed like
even the small little thingsthat everybody's freaking out
about, like him't know what theword I would use for Francis,

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but just like flipping about thethese things, right, like
Francis is very flipping aboutthe grandeur of the office of
the papacy.
He comes out in his whitecassock.
He didn't want to wear any ofthe people regalia.
It was almost like just this 12years of nonstop badgering for
those who loved the pump andcircumstance of Catholicism.

(15:29):
Yeah, because we don't see itas pomp and circumstance of men,
we see it as the kingdom ofheaven come to earth.
So you know, francis kind ofviewed that as over.
It was a very Protestant viewof the papal office, in my
opinion.
So when leo comes out and he'sdoing these little things, to me

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they seem like he's trying toput us at ease, right.
So I don't want him coming intothis hostile environment where
we're looking through his oldtweets to nitpick things and
we're going, we're going bananason him before the man has even
done anything and, look, thething is, I'm not, I'm not
getting, because there is aweird thing going.
There's like a trad love affairwith the guy and I think that's

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a bit overdone as well agreedyou know, like the, the there's.
I put out a tweet the other daywhere it was a lion and a tiger
together and they were playing,and I go oh look, it's where
Peter is in one Peter fiveplaying together on the Pope Leo
, Like that can't sustain itself.

(16:35):
I just I don't.
I don't see how that sustainsitself.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Cause there's still.
There's still a war going onwithin the church.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
A hundred percent because there's still there's
still a war going on within thechurch.
100.
And the thing is, he may comeout looking to make peace
between these two sides, but thethe they're very far apart and
I don't know how a person canactually play the middle on that
and I think one side is goingto be let down and I don't know
which side yet, because hehasn't said anything of

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substance yet.
Like he gave a really beautifulfirst homily, he's doing these
little liturgical gestures to,let you know, bring some of the,
the beauty of catholicism back,and we're all very hopeful
about it.
But he hasn't said a word onfaith and morals yet.
Really right, you know, likeit's it's, it's just we don't
know.
So you know, we could go intothis with just the relief of not

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feeling like our father hatesus right off the bat.
I mean, that's a beautifulthing in itself.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
That alone has been a huge relief right.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I can't even tell you what that feels like to go in
and not feel like your fatherhates you, because it really
felt like Francis hated us.
So, look, there's a lot ofrumors going around also that
are starting to come out thatthey weren't true, Like he
didn't meet with Burke beforethe conclave.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Really.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
No, he did not.
So that was one thing thing likeeverybody was very hopeful
about and they were like, oh,maybe, burke, you know they
didn't, like you can't say theystruck a deal, because that
would kind of be simony, but youknow, maybe there was just an
understanding given, like the,you know this will handle this
like this, you know, if, if thatwere to come, but um, so, um, I

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said to mike, um, uh, um, Isaid it's strange that I I feel
a little hopeful.
I said the first day I gotreally worried, but everything
I've seen and heard since seemspromising.
Um, from everything I'm seeing,it appears like leo will be a

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bit of Benedict the 16th,because that's what,
liturgically at least, he seems.
Because I was very worried thatwe were going to get a Francis
the second under the name Leothe 14th and that is very
clearly not what we got.
So but as things are goingforward, I'm like, oh, maybe
we're going to get a Benedictthe 17th type figure under the

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name Leo and I think we're stillmore likely to get like a JP
three a JP three.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think that's more what he's going to be like.
I think we'll find there aresome issues he's really strong
on Right.
You know like, like, maybe youknow gay marriage or the, the
trans issues, or you know ai,stuff like that, and then he'll
probably still be, you know like, uh, an ecumenist I mean he's.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
He's very clearly a vatican ii guy, right like he's
talking about the council.
He's still talking aboutsynodality.
So I said you know, we may getsome kind of a Ratzingerian
document coming from the nextsynod.
I don't know, I don't thinkthis man will be anything like
Francis.
So Mike Lewis said I'm not surewhat olive branches you're

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referring to.
To me it's more like Easter eggsa mazetta here, some Latin
there, but his actual words.
And then he gives some quoteswhich are it has been clearly
seen in the example of so manyof my predecessors and most
recently by Pope Francis himself, with his example of complete
dedication to the service and tosober simplicity of life, his

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abandonment to God throughouthis ministry and his serene
trust at the moment of hisreturn to the Father's house.
Let us take up this preciouslegacy and continue on the
journey, inspired by the samehope that is born of faith.
So he sends me like a bunch ofquotes.
Now, none of them are like thatcontroversial, but he's clearly

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trying to show continuity withFrancis talking about like he he
took.
The funny thing is he talksabout his apostolic exhortation,
evangelical Gaudium.
But I'm pretty sure that washis first Encyclical, which was
that was Benedict.
Benedict Right.
So the majority of that wasBenedict.
Then Mike doesn't want me toreveal his sources, but he he

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did.
He spoke to two Vaticanofficials I can't say how high
ranking they are and they boththink he's his own man, but very
much in line with Francis'spriorities and Vatican to all
the way he might handle things abit differently.
Pope Francis's mindset wascompletely detached from the US
mindset and Pope Francis wasinformal in a mess completely
detached from the U?
S mindset, and Pope Francis wasinformal in a mess.
But carrying around a for rulerand having healthy enough knees

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to kneel is all it takes to keeptrads happy.
So, and it's like he's notwrong.
So, like the, the two sidesboth think they got their guy.
And I don't know man, I don'tknow what we're getting.
I don't think anybody does.
So it's, it's this, it's thisstandoffish like okay, the.

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The thing I do want to try notto do is you don't want to be
what they all accused us of, inthat we just are looking for
something right, thathermeneutic of suspicion that
michael lofton always said likeI.
I'm not a fan of that phrase,but I don't want to go in
looking for mistakes agreed.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, at least not until you know we have some
evidence that that's what it'sgoing to be like.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Man.
I think I don't think he'sgoing to do any of the crazy
stuff Francis did.
I think you're kind of right.
I think you're going to getsome firm stances on same sex
marriage.
I think you got you know, butFrancis was decent about that
too.
I do worry a little bit abouthis American political views on

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Ukraine and Israel.
I think we might get a littlebit, because you know how people
with a more liberal mindsetfelt about those two conflicts.
So I don't know.
Francis was pretty good on bothof those.
With Israel especially he wasgood, but even Ukraine he took a
very neutral approach.
So the things that I actuallyliked francis on are the things
I'm a little bit worried abouthere.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Um, you know it.
So so far he's.
He's mentioned, uh likesynodality, quite a bit right.
But but let's say you take MikeLewis's, what Mike Lewis said
about you know, maybe him beinga little bit more formal, more,
a little bit more formality tothis, the synod process could

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change it drastically.
You know, instead of aninformal synod with laymen and
you know, pantsuit nuns andthings like that, if you made it
a little bit more formal andactually made it a synod of
bishops and clergy, well, that'sjust the way the church has
operated in the past, right,like that's not synodality in

(23:59):
the Francis sense, that's liketrue synodality.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, there's nothing inherently wrong or at all with
synodality.
It's the way it has been doneunder francis, where it was
almost a predetermined outcome.
They invited very specificpeople and they kept a very
specific group of people out ofthe conversation.
But if the the thing I was veryhopeful about is he said, uh,

(24:24):
synodality and very, he said hegave like a a mention about
personal piety.
I I forgot the exact quote, butit was like like I think that
was a nod to people who may lovethe traditional liturgy, where
it's like you know, that's apersonal piety, that people in
their minds, that's just, youknow, a personal preference to
them.
That's what they think it is.
So maybe that's what he meansby that.

(24:47):
I mean, the thing is it would benice to just have some peace
and not be just looking to ragon the pope every.
No, I don't think you're gonnaget that right.
I don't think you're gonna getanything like that.
Um the.
The question is, will some ofthe problems of the last

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pontificate be addressed?
I think that's what everybody'shoping to see and I don't know,
I don't know how that's gonnago.
I don't um, uh, it is funny towatch, to listen to certain
people who were very critical offrancis, though, are like so
enthusiastic about, about leo,like I mean people that like

(25:32):
we've been talking to and stuffit's.
It's just it's just funny to towatch how like enamored they
are by the man.
It's like there's some peoplelike very little needed to be
done to just like they justwanted the hostility to end,
they wanted the.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, and Leo, so far anyway, seems like inherently
likable.
Francis was inherently a meangrouch.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Not just a mean grouch.
Some of the stories coming outnow that he had to take
medication because of hispsychosis and stuff.
That's crazy.
It's like it's ridiculouscringe.
I can't take it, dude.
It is weird.
It is weird seeing, like,before anything happens, like

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the all, the all, the like, thesharpest critics of francis are
just like all in on leo and it'slike I like I understand the um
, the more sober approach, whichis what I want to take.
I just want to take a soberapproach to this and I and I'm
I'm really hoping thatrelationships can be healed,
because there was seriously likegroups of people that wouldn't

(26:43):
talk to other groups of peoplebecause if they were critical of
francis they felt like if theytalked to them that would mean
that they were endorsing theirviews and they were doing guilt
by association and all that kindof stuff.
And I'm hoping that's gonnatone down a little bit and maybe
we'll see.
The other thing is theconservative catholics and trad

(27:05):
catholics have been completelyalienated from the hierarchy for
the past decade yeah likecompletely alienated, where you
know, if you had a conversationwith a bishop under francis
catholics would be like, why areyou talking to that guy?
He's a lib, you know.
And it's like I, I don't wantthat over with, like I I would.

(27:25):
I, I'm, I'm like half kiddingwhen I say I want to get
cardinal dolan on.
You know, it's like I wouldlike to actually have a
conversation with the cardinalarchbishop of new york, to maybe
have I don't know, man, it's itwould be nice not to be
blacklisted from everything.
I will say this oh boy.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
You know, I've had that book for four years and I
have not read it.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Do you actually read it?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
finally, I am reading it now and it is good.
So, this book, the Truth AboutRodrigo Borja Pope, alexander VI
, I am going to do everything Ican to restore that man's good
name.
I think the man might have beena saint, and everybody's so
weird watching an italian simpfor a spaniard your people hated

(28:17):
the man, I don't care you, it'sjust I don't.
I root for the underdog, andwhenever I see everybody
attacking somebody, I want todefend them.
So yeah, mike, I can't say whoMike spoke to he asked me not to
say that but I think it wouldbe interesting to.

(28:40):
Oh look, cale, you got amention in this gen x.
There's like kale, mark lambertand robert nugent and the
boomers like janet smith hoppedright on that bandwagon.
Last time I checked patrickcoffin lean that way.
Burke and father z seem tothink we dodged a bullet and
seem to respect leo as a man.
The newsmax article about theconclave strikes me as trad maga

(29:02):
gloss on the new york timesconclave narrative.
And barnhart is skeptical.
Uh, gordon, uh.
Tim g is also, but looks likehe's softening his stance a
little bit, and maybe john henryweston too, uh, um, he, um, I'm
not really keeping close trackof it.

(29:22):
Oh yeah, I don't want I.
Yeah, so it is interesting.
I haven't seen Patrick Coffincome out and give a clear
statement on what his thoughtsare yet.
I think that is something heshould do.
It's been a rough 12 years man.

(29:44):
Yeah, I think it would beinteresting to even have a
conversation with a guy likemike lewis.
Now I want to actually like seewhere, because everybody,
everybody seems happy and Idon't see how that continues.
It won't I mean no, it can't itcan't like, so who's going to
be disappointed first?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
that's, that's what I want to know well I I have a
feeling the second he actuallycomes out with something like
theological, like an encyclical.
You'll have both sides pissedat the same time yeah, that's
true, maybe, um, so okay.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
So I do want to get into the last uh article I sent
over.
I wrote good article over it,um, cause this was such an
interesting article and it's uhby Edward Penton.
And this is the article whereit says Burke, he did not meet
with Burke.
So Cardinal's voting patternsemerge as Leo the 14th is

(30:47):
welcomed as Pope of peace.
Support for the new Pope, whois seen as a conciliatory figure
, accelerated after the secondballot and coalesced into a
large winning majority on thefourth ballot.
So it's always interesting whenthese guys all take a vow of
secrecy and all these detailsalways go out.
Yeah, you must be very happythat an American Cardinal was
elected, said a smiling CardinalPowell and the Vatican

(31:09):
secretary of state, as he walkedwith an associate along the via
uh uh, our first stroll on aSunday afternoon under the warm
spring sunshine, the ItalianCardinal, who was an initial
front runner during the conclave, told the register of his hope
that the church will be at peace, and it was at the time, as it
was at the time of the apostles.
Under the guidance of the holyspirit, his sentiments echoed a

(31:31):
palpable sense of hope, optimismand peace that seems to have
pervaded the eternal city sincepope leo's election last
thursday evening, even if it istinged with caution among some
of the faithful.
Cardinal casper, the persistentemeritus of the Dicastery for
promoting Christian unity, outfor some fresh air near the
Tiber, said he similarly saw Leoas a man of peace as well as

(31:53):
someone who listens.
The Cardinal, at 92 did notvote in the conclave believes
Leo, who is being seen as aconciliatory figure after the
deep divisions of the past 12years, is not too far to the
left or to the right and that hewants continuity with Pope
Francis.
Both attributes, he told theregister, are very important.
Cardinal Casper's successor ashead of the dicastery, swiss

(32:14):
Cardinal Kurt Koch, welcomed Leoas a man of dialogue, telling
the register in an exchange nextto St Peter's Square that he
believed the new pope wouldbring harmony to the church.
He also praised the friendlyatmosphere during the conclave.
I want to go down to votingpatterns.
Now that the dust is beginningto settle.
What transpired during theconclave is beginning to come

(32:35):
clear, based on conversationswith a number of sources.
Parolin was believed to be theleading contender in the early
voting, especially among PopeFrancis's strongest supporters,
possibly attracting 40 to 50votes, but he was unable to
obtain broader support.
Votes for other leadingcandidates such as Cardinal
Tagli, zuppi, gretsch, david andAveline were also divided,

(32:56):
especially among the Italians,asians and Africans, so none was
able to garner the momentumHopes that those backed by the
community of San Egido, joseZupi were also dashed due to
lack of support.
But votes for conservativecandidates were also split
between Erdo, sarah, pizza, balaand Ranjith.
Now that is what is annoying tome, because you would think

(33:19):
those guys would have locked upsupport behind one candidate.
I think so.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
You would have thought those guys would have
been able support behind onecandidate?

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I don't think so.
You would have thought thoseguys would have been able to
lock up support.
Once all these candidates wereeffectively eliminated, the
stage was set for CardinalPrevost to emerge.
Already considered a possiblecompromise candidate by many
Cardinals going into theconclave, he began picking up
the votes on the third vote,including among conservative
voters, helped in part byCardinal Timothy Dolan, the

(33:46):
kingmaker, lending his weight toPrevost candidacy.
By the fourth ballot, cardinalPrevost had secured more than
100 votes, well above thetwo-thirds majority.
This was achieved without anypre-conclave lobbying on
Cardinal Prevost's part.
Contrary to Italian mediareports, the Register can
confirm that Cardinal Burkenever received the future Pope

(34:08):
in his apartment during theperiod of general congregations,
nor any other pressure to votefor him.
Overall, cardinals who wereFrancis' closest supporters are
pleased with the result, and sotoo are the most who were
critics of the previous pontiff,even if Cardinal Prevost was
never their first choice.
They'll all tend to see PopeLeo XIV as bringing a necessary

(34:32):
period of calm and peace to thepapacy after the divisions of
the Francis Pontificate and inlight of issues raised during
the 12 general congregationsthat preceded the conclave.
So look, I think.
I think the revolution isslowing down is what I think.

(34:53):
I don't think the revolution isover.
No, revolution is slowing downand they're going to tone it
down a notch.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
They went too far I if yeah, they went too far, um,
to the point where where thefrancis 2.0 type candidates
obviously couldn't get thesupport, and now, I'm sure, to
their.
You know, maybe they think theyreally did get a, a 2.0 in

(35:22):
pre-boss, but if not, by thetime his papacy is over, they're
all dead yeah, yeah, that'slike this is the last boomer
pope yeah this is we might evenget gen x pope.
Yeah, if he, if he, if hispapacy is 20 years long like we,

(35:43):
the next pope is probably amillennial dude.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Another interesting thing um, so setes seem to be
handling this very strangely,because under francis they
almost had like this sense oflike yeah, you guys see how
crazy things are, come on, man,like you know.
So like setes were like kind oflike they had like a sense of
comfort on the Francis.

(36:07):
Now them, them, seeing all thelike the trads and the
conservatives like rallyingbehind Leo.
They're like you people,because the thing is he's not
the craziest thing I've beenseeing is Leo's a secret trad.
And it's like come on, guys,stop it.
This is like, like that is suchcopium.

(36:28):
Like, come on, he's not asecret trad, he's not.
But he, he has a good heart andhe might be.
He's going to be way moregentle and I, and I think I
think he's going to be wayclearer on doctrinal issues than
Francis was, like I just do.
I think I think even from thesesynods, like these synods could

(36:50):
produce some good documentsfrom them.
You know, and the thing is, theTrump MAGA movement does need to
be brought into check a littlebit, like there's some really
wacky things in the MAGAmovement there is, and that
stuff needs to be brought toheel a little bit.
And Catholics need to see itfrom a Pope they trust a little
bit.
So I think, if things are look,I even saw Cardinal soup bitch

(37:14):
come out on face the nation andhe's like, well, because they
were bringing, everybody wantsto know where does he stand on
immigration?
It's like I think he standswhere most Catholics stand,
where it's like, okay, there'slaws and the borders can't, you
can't just come into our countryand flood our country, but like
you got to care for peoplebecause they're human right,
like you can't just mistreatpeople.

(37:35):
So you know, I think, I thinkthat's like a reasonable stance.
You know it's like you don'tmistreat people, a reasonable
stance.
You know it's like you don'tmistreat people.
You know you can't, you can'tjust look at them like they're
subhuman because they came intoour country from somewhere else.
Um, so I do think they'll, youknow, there's gonna there's,

(37:55):
there's going to be a like, abetter way to approach that
issue, where, under francis,francis was straight out like
telling people we needed openborders and I don't think we'll
get that anymore yeah, I, Ithink we'll see a much more.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I don't want to use the word, let's hear it.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Ah, much more nuanced , much more nuanced position on
immigration dude, it's so weirdbecause, like every catholic
wants to love the pope, so it'slike we want to love the pope.
I don't know.
There's that.
It doesn't seem crazy to me,man.
It's um, like there was even um, I'll tell you, man, because

(38:40):
even michael matt, during thepapacy of benedict the 16th.
That's when I first came acrossMichael Matt, it was under
Benedict.
I never saw him under JP tooRight, but I did come across him
under Benedict and I rememberthe first time I saw him like he
was being like critical of somethings about.
No, he was really beingcritical of the council.
He was never actually criticalof Benedict.

(39:00):
He always spoke very highly ofBenedict and especially when
some more pontificum came out,like michael matt, praised him.
But they always showed respectto the roman pontiff, you know.
So I think if we could even getback to that, like we all
understand, there are majorissues that came about from the
council.
Nobody's nobody's like undersome I'm not, at least I'm not

(39:23):
under some illusion that thisPope is the Pope of restoration,
like that.
He's not going to.
He's not going to return us tothe pre conciliar, you know,
catholic church.
It's just not going to happen.
These guys are post conciliarPopes and they are very much
like this.
But the thing is he is a boomer,but there's a very big

(39:43):
difference in Francis being bornin what 1936?
And this guy was born in 1955,right?
Yeah, so Francis was ordained.
He was ordained in 1970.
He was the first ordinations inthe new right, ordinations in

(40:10):
the new right.
So you give that 15 more years,20 more years, before prebos
gets ordained.
It's he doesn't have like thefervor of the revolution of the
council in him as much asfrancis.
He's still very much a productof it, but it's.
It's like the he was speaking alot more clearly on doctrinal
issues under Benedict and then,I think, a lot of these guys
under Francis man, it was like Ithink what's hopeful?

(40:33):
Because a lot of people like no, no, no.
Well, tim, I remember, wassaying like the reason you don't
know his stances on this stuffis because this guy's been being
groomed to take this positionfor years, been being groomed to
take this position for years.
But I don't think that's whatit is.
I think that the moreconservative, doctrinally
conservative guys under francisjust didn't say anything so as

(40:55):
to not get their head choppedoff.
Yeah, because the guys that didsay something, wound up like
strickland, strickland or burkeor yeah, right, so it's.
I think a lot of these guys justhandled their situation and
they just they didn't go outinto the media and blast their
opinions on francis, but there'sa there's a degree of a lot of

(41:20):
these guys were complicit in,because everybody's outright and
openly talking about thehostility we've dealt with as
Catholics for the past 12 yearson the Francis.
It's like.
It's like that was just like anopen thing that was discussed
at these conclave meetings.
It's like, yeah, we lived inhell for 12 years.
Let's, let's elect somebodythat isn't going to put us
through hell.
It's like if you guys all feltthat, why did nobody say it and

(41:43):
say it it together, like youcan't have one guy saying and
then it gets his head choppedoff and he's now, you know, cast
out into the abyss.
It's like there needed to be.
That's part of the reason whyfrancis probably didn't call
consistories, where he broughtall these guys around, because
they would get together and belike, ah, we got to do something
about this.
You know, um, do we have superchats?

(42:04):
we got to get to uh, yeah, wehave a few here um oh boy, okay,
imagine the ab episode with thepope's brother being shown in
college religion courses.
I, honestly, because the guykind of reminds me of my dad a
little bit.
He's got like my dad's politics, you know, and it's like I have

(42:27):
a feeling he didn't like youknow, he has a brother who was a
cardinal, but like it doesn'tseem like he was going to mass.
I don't know, like he might be,I don't know, but he definitely
doesn't know, like the Catholicinfighting arguments.
He definitely doesn't know thatbecause we're going to play a

(42:47):
clip from him.
That it's.
It's, it's kind of interestingand I think he was doing his
best not to say anything toocontroversial to not so as not
to get his brother in hot waterlike I don't, I don't think he
like he, you know he, he willplay it, you'll see.
Um, I'm actually fine withleo's stance on ukraine, as long
as it's not coupled withamericans should bear the burden

(43:09):
and spend blood and treasure toaccomplish it.
I think he's, since his senseis perfectly fine.
Um, I don't, I don't know, Ihaven't heard him like say I
don't know his stance on it.
Yeah, I don't know what to say.
I'm.
I'm that's more of a, notsomething.
I've seen something I'm alittle worried about, because I
know the political discussionover an issue like Ukraine.

(43:30):
You know, I think he has saidas Cardinal, not as Pope, that
Russia's war is a war ofaggression, things like that,
like it's.
It's, it's just a very highlycontentious topic in America,
you, it's just a very highlycontentious topic in America,
you know.
So I just don't, I don't knowwhere he's going to land on it.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Also like uh as Pope.
Like, the Pope has a a verylong and storied uh intelligence
gathering arm.
Right.
And he very well might not havebeen uh privy to information as

(44:13):
a cardinal that he is now privyto.
Yeah, don't be surprised if yousee stances on things like
ukraine, uh, israel, stuff likethat change as he gets
information he just never hadaccess to as a cardinal in peru,
right?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I.
This is a good.
This is a good one because Iwas actually just going to bring
this up.
The silence on fatima has toend.
This is the only remedy to theworld's errors.
Every material answer will fall, will fail.
Consecrate now.
But I'm curious do you thinkfrancis um read the third secret
when he became Pope?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't, just
because he just seems like a guywho just didn't care, didn't
believe in it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, Now today is the anniversary of Fatima.
Do you think Pope Leo saidbring me the third secret.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I think Americans as a whole at in in.
This is really just my ownexperience, like I think we tend
to have a greater connection tofatima than a lot of
non-american catholics, andmaybe I'm wrong there might just
be a trad thing, dude, because,like my conversion is very much

(45:23):
connected to Fatima, myreversion.
Yeah, but I mean I grew up goingto in a Fatima cadet program.
Yeah, you know the parish was.
I found it was kind of a tradparish but we were on the Novus
Ordo side of it, yeah, so Idon't know.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I did see Leo.
I did see pope leo kneelingbefore a statue of our lady of
fatima.
Today, I.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I have a feeling I get the the sense he's much more
, he has a much greater degreeof marian devotion than than
francis did oh, I do too.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Like that's the thing , look, a big part of this
conversation comes down to is helike deeply catholic, you know,
like is he deeply catholic andthat, and that is that goes a
huge long way, like it reallydoes.
If he has like a, if he'sdeeply catholic, like he doesn't
even need to be trad, like I'm,I'm, you know, I know I know

(46:23):
people on all ends of thespectrum who love their catholic
faith.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
He very and he very well, you know a lot.
Some of his theology andbeliefs are probably modernist,
because that's what we've beenraised in, yeah, for 100 years
now.
Right, yeah, but uh, thatdoesn't mean he's.
He at least isn't wanting ortrying to be a faithful Catholic
.
Yeah, do I think Francis reallywanted or tried to be a

(46:48):
faithful Catholic?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
I probably shouldn't answer that I don't think he was
Catholic.
Just being honest.
Like I just don't think he wasin any sense of what I would
relate to being Catholic, likeI'm not, like whatever the man's
gone, I don't, I'm not eventrying, the man's gone, I don't,
I don't, I'm not even trying tobesmirch his good name.
It's like I don't think hebelieved the same catholic faith

(47:11):
I did I do.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I think he saw catholicism as a means to an end
yeah, look, I kind of.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
The one good thing is it's been such a unique
experience these past few weeks,starting from the interregnum
man.
The interregnum was such a funtime.
It was just such a fun,beautiful time for me.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I found it annoying.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I loved it.
It was great.
I freaking, loved it, freaking.
Andy Malone literally does thisevery episode.
Andy, I cannot thank you enough, man, almost every episode you
hit us with one of these superchats.
I think Pope Leo XIV is a blackswan event.
This is a good thing.
One has to appreciate theamount of control that the
Second Vatican Council exertedon all priests to understand how

(47:58):
many concealed their beliefs.
That's an interesting take.
And then Hold on, hi Philomena.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
That's an interesting , take and then hold on.
Hi, philomena.
This comment is interestingbecause Matthias was
disappointed this morning whenhe woke up because last night we
told him last night we toldmaddie there might be ash
falling.
Today he wakes up and hedoesn't see ash falling and he's

(48:26):
like I thought I would be likepompeii you should tell him you
should be grateful that we'renot seeing ash because that
means the fire's very close yes,I can't wait to meet your kids,
dude.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, you're gonna love it.
I cannot wait to meet your kids, dude.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, you're going to love it.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I cannot wait to meet your kids.
She got so big since even thelast thing you brought on screen
.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
She is a big girl.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, okay.
So let's see, leo XIV was 10years old when Vatican II went
through.
Like someone said, he isn'tmarried to the spirit of Vatican
II, like the previous popeswere.
Give him some time, that's howI feel, like I want to give this
man a little bit of space and alittle bit of time, and I don't
want, look, I just think.

(49:12):
First off, tact is veryimportant, right?
So even if all the things wedid discuss with Tim are
accurate and there's a very goodchance they are even if those
things are accurate and there'sa very good chance they are Even
if those things are accurate,there's still something to this
man being an American,understanding the Catholic media
landscape in America and notbeing hostile to him in the

(49:37):
meantime.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
No, be quiet sweetheart.
No, no time.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
No, that'd be quiet, sweetheart no, um, okay, wait,
let's see.
Uh, we can all unite aroundbeing glad francis is gone, ding
dong.
I'm probably going to talk with, uh, saint anthony, uh, padwell
, rad trad, he's, uh, he is aset of a contest, um, but I will

(50:04):
probably do.
I think I'll probably go on hisshow, um, but he and I are
going to speak before that, likewe're gonna I mean, we're gonna
jump on a zoom call and talkbefore that.
Um, I don't think he's lookingto, you know, pin me down on
anything or anything.
I, I think he just wants tohang out and have a good chat I
was unaware he had a show that'suh, that's my bad yeah, I've

(50:27):
seen his show a couple times,but uh, a couple times he he's
talked about us too, like in agood way.
He's always very, verycharitable to us.
So I think we're probably likethe only normie show he watches,
I would guess.
Um, let's see uh, um, why don'twe play the pope's brother clip

(50:52):
?
And then we're gonna go over tolocals, because we got some
stuff we're gonna talk aboutover on locals um the one with
peers yeah, we'll do do that oneclip with with peers and then,
or should we save that forlocals?
I don't know.
Whatever you want, I got, I got.
We got plenty of stuff forlocals.
So we got like it's not even anhour yet, so yeah, all right,

(51:14):
so let's do the pope's brother,because this was interesting to
me marriage, francis went toendorse or blessing gay
marriages rather than perform,you know, doing the actual
ceremony.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
I think, because of his studies in canon law and his
background, he's still at hisroots.
He's Catholic and he followsthe rules of the church and he
may be able to change some rulesor modify some rules as pope.
I don't see him going there Inall the years we've grown up

(51:53):
together.
He may be liberal on somethings, but there's still that
basic you have to maintain therules of the church.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
It sounds like you might actually be a little bit
more conservative than DonaldTrump when they finally get
together.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, that's it.
They get into goofy stuff now,but I thought that was important
to play because it sounds to melike he's a faithful son of the
church.
Yeah, and I think he's going tolook to bring.
I think we're going to get somegood encyclicals out of them.
You know, like they're gonnahave their post conciliar flavor

(52:31):
to them because, like man, Iwent back to okay.
So the reason I kept predictinglouis the 14th because I did do
it on several occasions, rightyeah, going all the way back to
december of 2023 december of2023.
Then we had ripper on.
I said it again to ripper um I.
I just kept saying leo the 14thbecause I had just read

(52:55):
eternity patris and that's leothe 14th encyclical on
philosophy and using philosophyin light of the truth.
It was because there were allthese crazy philosophies popping
up in the world around him.
It is by far one of my favoriteencyclicals I've ever read.

(53:15):
I've only read about maybe 10encyclicals, but that by far is
one of my favorite.
When you go back and read it,it's, it's almost like man, if
we could get something like that.
Like if you could just getsomething like that, because
everybody's talking about rarumnavarum, because leo did mention

(53:37):
it and why he chose that nameand stuff.
But attorney patris is one ofthe greatest freaking
encyclicals.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Man um if, if he sticks to.
So you know he he came on andsaid that he picked leo the 14th
because he saw, he saw how leothe 13th responded to the
industrial revolution and hefeels like we need to respond to
ai and the the fourthindustrial revolution in a

(54:05):
similar way.
Yeah, if he sticks to stufflike that, you know, like like
ai and maybe some of theeconomic challenges that that
the world is facing and andthings of that nature, dude,
there's a lot, a lot less of achance he's gonna go off the
deep end.
You know, you know, and dosomething like less gay
marriages, like fiduciasupplicant yeah, like francis

(54:27):
had a very specific thing he wastrying to do.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
He was trying to upend catholic moral teaching,
like he was.
I don't care what anybody saysthat was what he was doing,
that's why considering thefamily with divorce and
remarriage and and and all that?
yeah like that was what he wentin to do.
He went in to upend Catholicmoral teaching on such like
foundational truths of theCatholic faith.

(54:50):
Where, if Leo XIV goes intolooking at AI, like we're on the
cusp of millions of peoplelosing their jobs Tens of
millions in just the US and likemillions and millions of people
losing their jobs Tens ofmillions in just the U?
S and like millions andmillions of people are going to
lose their jobs because AI isgoing to replace them.
Now, how do we handle that?

(55:11):
And what is like?
What do we do?
Like, if you get a Pope who'sactually very intent on figuring
this issue out, you will getsomething beautiful out of it
and so something very important.
Kennedy said I think we hit rockbottom finally with Francis and
we issue out, you will getsomething beautiful out of it,
and so something very important.
Uh, kennedy said I think we hitrock bottom finally with
francis and we are now gettingback up.
So there's a long way to go,but leaving the bottom.
So I look there's also the, thefactor of the overton window

(55:34):
shifting so much under francisthat any kind of relief now
feels like like you know, likeyou're sitting under the press
you're being crushed to deathright and 10% of that weight
gets removed.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
That's a big relief.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, and that's that's what's happened.
At least, at least 10%, maybemore.
Maybe Pope Leo XIV is the onewho kept his views low key as a
seminarian to be ordained as apriest, to be superior, as a
superior to become bishop and asbishop to become cardinal.
Finally, to pope, maybe I would.
I would love for that.
Um, uh, nancy, charlotte, hi,nancy, do you think pope leo

(56:13):
will clarify more what he meansby synodality?
Can they invite the voice ofpriests who have helped people
from the lgbt in the proper wayand have had success, like like
under under francis?
Basically, the courage movementwent away, like courage was like
a uh, uh, the the proper waythe church was handling people

(56:34):
in that situation, where it waslike they were teaching them and
helping them live out acatholic faith that was faithful
to the church's teaching.
So courage would basically sayit's like look you, you, you
have this attraction, but we'regoing to, we're going to do what
we can to facilitate you livingout the church's moral teaching

(56:56):
in that you remain chaste.
And that movement basically gotthrown out under Francis.
They were, they were destroyedand a lot of the people that
were in it got really confusedunder Francis a lot of them and
a lot of them.
They thought the church wasmoving in this way and it was

(57:16):
kind of carte blanche to go backto it.
Like I know.
I know of a few casesspecifically that they were in
the courage movement underBenedict and they were living
faithful to the church'steaching and then under Francis
they kind of went off the railsPublic people.
So yeah, it's just so.
What I got from Leo's brotherthere was that I think he's a

(57:37):
faithful son of the church.
I also think Lou Prevost wasdoing his best to like walk a
minefield because, like peerskept asking him, is your brother
woke?
And it's like no, my brother'snot woke.
Like it's not like that youcan't put the church into that
category.

(57:57):
It's just not like that.
Like he might be liberal onsome views is what he said.
You know there was anothervideo, rob, of his other brother
getting a phone call from him.
Do you, do we have thatanywhere?
Yes, you got to play that realquick.
Find that.
Find the Pope's brother gettingthe phone call For two hours

(58:18):
already.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Well, why don't you answer?
Well, first you need to knowyou're on the air right now.
This has been going on since 11o'clock this morning.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
This is the first time I'm hearing that this thing
rang, and we are being filmedand recorded.
Right now, right this veryminute.
Robert, don't say anythingstupid.
There's a camera on me.
Robert, don't say anythingstupid.

(58:54):
They're filming me.
Don't say anything stupid.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Why don't you ever answer your phone?
That's exactly what I say to mybrother when I call him.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
The thing is because the Pope was calling his brother
to tell him look, I'm the Popenow.
Keep your mouth shut about thethings we've talked about.
Don't go before the media andtell them what I said.
So, like those boys must havegotten a talking to.
Thank you for mentioningcourage.
Those of us who participated init felt betrayed by Francis'
teaching.
Yeah, my heart breaks for youguys like I.

(59:32):
It really it, it was.
It was hard, man.
I you know even the blessing ofsame-sex couples and stuff like
the way.
You know, it was just they were.
There are people like thepeople that you betray when you
do something like that are thepeople who have the hardest
freaking cross in life to bearand they're trying to show a
witness through the life they'reliving.
And then you have the Popecoming out and basically saying

(59:54):
no, no, no, you don't have toworry about that.
Yeah, it's like, oh my goodness, how demoralizing, how freaking
demoralizing that must havebeen for those people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I can't even imagine, no, man.
I mean I know how hard it wasto come back to the sacraments
as it was, and I hardly knewanything about Francis when I
did.
Yeah, you know, if I kneweverything I knew.
Now I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Oof, yeah, I did.
Yeah, you know, if I kneweverything I knew, now I don't
know.
Oh yeah, nancy, that yeah Iwould.
I would imagine fiducia was arough one.
Yeah, it was like a.
It was just a bonkers papacyman, just totally bonkers papacy
.
Yeah, peak boomer speakerphone.
I just thought that was funnybecause it's like he's calling
his brother.
It's like, keep your mouth shut, stupid, don't tell everybody.

(01:00:47):
I'm a lib.
That's basically what he wasdoing.
It didn't confuse me, but allmy friends were telling me I
could be gay.
Yeah, oh my gosh, what a weird.
The Pope's first homily waspretty awesome.

(01:01:07):
We brought up the churchfathers and then hearing the
Pope sing the Paternoster inLatin again was was pretty good.
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Let's see.
Well, so while you look forthings, the fires and the smoke
around here reminded me ofsomething today.
Remember about two years agowhen New York had all the smoke
and you thought for sure it wasthe sign in the sky talked about
.
You thought for sure the worldwas ending.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
No, no, no, no, no, that's not what I thought it was
.
That's not what I thought itwas.
I thought the government waspoisoning us.
That's what I thought that was.
I'm like they are lightingthese fires on purpose.
Rob, I know they are.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
They're burning toxic chemicals and I'm going to die
North of the Canadian border onpurpose I thought for sure they
were doing that on purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Dude call stray, how uh, uh shouting in from
australia.
I can't believe we have peoplewho watch from australia and
they and it's, I think it'smorning there, right now, right,
like how far ahead is australia?
Well, leo the 14th, uh mustaddress death penalty is
inadmissible.
I doubt that's going to happenin catechism and communion for
adulterers.
That I think needs to beaddressed.

(01:02:24):
Um, I the death penalty stuffyou guys are not going to get.
It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Um yeah, not for a while, yeah that's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
That's going to be one that's going to take a
little while, it's like, but butthe communion for adulterers
thing, that is a big one.
And will leo one day affirmcatholic doctrine that there is
no salvation?
that's not happening either,probably not, I'm sorry guys,
you guys got to temper yourexpectations is what this whole
show is about.
And temper your expectations wehave, we have it's.

(01:02:55):
Just look, we've lived throughthis not not everybody, but
those old enough to rememberhave been living through this
since the 70s.
Like, this revolution is notover, it's just ratcheted back a
ways and you, you all, haveroom to breathe and you all
don't have to be, maybe don'thave to be embarrassed by some
of the things the Pope is doingpublicly.
He's he's going to say somethings that are going to be like

(01:03:17):
oh boy, why did he say that?
It's just going to happen?
But it doesn't mean we have tohandle it the way we did with
francis, who was violent towardus does david david s, does the
pope not have temporal authorityto order temporal rulers to not
practice capital punishment?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
and the simple answer to that is no.
No, because the, the temporalauthorities, have temporal
authority, and that's likeexplicit in scripture.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
It's like explicit in scripture, that the temporal
authority has has the authorityto get you know, hand down that
penalty, Right?
This is interesting.
Do you guys think Baron willget the red hat and do you think
father Mike will become Bishop?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Father no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Father Mike won't become Bishop.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You don't think so?
What about Baron getting thered hat?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I could see that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I could see that too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I could see that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah, what do we?
Got Keaton Esty here.
Nobody has his stance on lucha.
Hopefully he puts that stupidmascot into the abyss I would.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
This is so mean of me .
I would love to see thedemoralized faces on the zoomers
.
If he just came out as sayingthat luke jay was stupid dude,
it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
But there was so many like clownings of catholicism
under francis, just likeclowning, clownish things.
Man, it's like.
Oh, I'm so happy that period isover.
It was a long, 12 years man,but I like um I so I've been

(01:05:04):
talking to a lot of peoplebehind the scenes, and keith is
one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Me and keith had a like a half hour conversation
the other day and I don't knowwhere you get the time to talk
to all these people I drive alot time to talk to you I drive
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Well, yeah, every time I call you you, you brush
me off that's because I have togo.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I have to stand up from my desk, go to my office
door, shut the door so that noone knows I'm talking to you
instead of working today Icalled robin.
I'm like we gotta get thepope's brother dude this is why
you called me in the middle ofthe work like we'll be legends.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
you gotta get the pope's brother come on, man.
Uh, and yes, I do always maketime for keith, but I called
keith.
Well, keith texted me becausehe saw um, I think I don't know
if he saw the brian holdsworthclip or the tim gordon clip and
he was just like you know, likethe like we both talked about it

(01:06:00):
, like the one thing we'rehoping that comes from this is
like we want peace betweenbrothers again, man, like that's
my biggest hope for all this.
Like even look so, like acouple of people said, like we
were putting Internet gossip outwhen I put the Tim talks about
the thing, which, well, a coupleof people made comments about

(01:06:21):
it, but that was less than Ithought, Well, that wasn't the
intent of the clip.
The intent of the clip was totalk about how, under Francis,
we had this hostility there andlike we're hoping that we can
bring people to the table again.
Like one of the coolest thingsabout that show was Brian saying
yeah, bring Tim on, man, andthem just talking, because Tim

(01:06:47):
had just been on with me andBrian was in the chat and Tim
accused Brian of finger waggingat him in his video and Brian
was like I'm in the chat, dude,bring me on.
And.
But by the time I got Brian on,Tim was gone and then Brian was
like no, just bring him on,dude, Like whatever, let's just
talk.
And it was one of the most likecivilized, like good
conversations.
Brian gave good pushback on Tim.
Tim brought some really validpoints up.

(01:07:07):
I got a hundred texts afterthat show.
Christian Wagner was texting me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Everybody was texting me after that show.
It was one of those shows.
No one ever texts me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
It was one of those shows where I think a lot of
people in the Catholic worldcaught like they were just like
what?
What do you mean?
They're debating pope leo the14th, you know like that's a
weird thing to debate.
The guy's been in for 24 hoursto bring in more body box.
Speaking of a body box.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
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So I just got my recusantpackage and they give you two
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Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
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I don't know.
I do say their name better thanyou.
I do pronounce their name a lotbetter than you.
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Uh, I tried to send a giftpackage to I don't say it right
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Either of us say it, I say itright.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
They even affirmed that I say it right no, they
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Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
As long as we both say it wrong, like me, and the
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I'm not gonna say recusant, butmolly had actually gone there.
Yes, her and her and laura wentto the vineyard um unfair.
Yeah, molly and laura went tothe vineyard, so um the uh.

(01:09:00):
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If you want to help support ourshow, they're a great gift idea
.
I tried to send the giftpackage to Michael Hichborn and
Virginia does not allow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
You're right, virginia doesn't, new Jersey
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, and I think there's two moreyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Like guys, it's actually important to support
Catholic businesses Like it.
It really is even like you know, coming on locals and
supporting us.
It's like you guys want us todo this.
You got to support us.
It's not that difficult.
There's so many other thingsthat you guys watch that you pay
money for and they're not aswholesome as Rob and I.
Look at us.
We're bringing unity to theCatholic church.

(01:09:48):
We're going to get CardinalDolan on soon Time for AB to
bring Tim and Taylor backtogether.
I want to, man, I would love.
I would love to make a reunionlike that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Rick croissant, rick croissant reunion, like that
happen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Recreation, recreation, recreation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Recreation.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Dude, if you guys got a birthday coming up or
something like that, just gosupport them.
They're a great, great family.
You know who else?
They're not a sponsor, butLittle Ways Farm.
I ordered chicken from them andI spent like $250 on chicken
Bro.
They sent me like 40 pounds ofchicken.

(01:10:31):
Yeah, little Ways Farm, theysent me the garlic.
Remember when they originallysent me the garlic?
Yeah, they sent me like threepounds of garlic and my wife has
been flipping out.
She wants that garlic again.
Their garlic is unlike anythingI've ever had, ever.
So if you guys want to helpsupport another catholic
business they're not even asponsor of ours, but I just do

(01:10:53):
think it's important to look outfor each other.
Um, I don't know if this willever happen invite on lofton and
marshall and don't tell theother, he's just coming.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
There's a good chance .

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Neither will ever talk to us again.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, no, I would never.
I would never do that toanybody anyway.
But like I don't, I, I haveMichael Lofton's phone number.
That's what's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
How did you get that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Because there was a period where, before he came out
with that second video, I wasgoing to call him.
So I got his number from Kyleand then he came out with that
second video and I was likescrew this guy, I went off on
him, but I honestly I think thatvideo doing that has kept

(01:11:41):
everybody else from going afterus.
So maybe it was you know.
Good, in the end, Bobby, youcan't get Reckless in either,
huh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Well, yeah, he's in Virginia, Okay.
I thought, you were stupid, fedlet's see Any other before we
head over.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
So what did I miss?
The first hour and a half?
Tim Gordon was on the wholeepisode, molly with taylor, you
missed it.
Yeah, we had taylor and tim onthis episode.
They were both in the chat wejust brought him on um.
I mean, I got a whole bunch ofother stuff to do, but I think
if we start it we'll go too long, so I like to keep the youtube
side at an hour hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Someone's asked us this about a dozen times uh,
what do you think of erickajowski?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
is that how?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
you pronounce his name?

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I don't know.
I think it's kajowski, I thinkit's kajowski.
I've never actually watched hiscontent.
He uh, like early on he hadasked me to come on his show.
He reached out to me and when Icouldn't make it work, he
blocked me.
Like it was weird.
Like I was like I was like nodude, I can't make it that day.
This is what I can make it.
And then he sent me one morerequest to what I?

(01:12:54):
I said I couldn't make the day.
Like he wanted me to come onwhen he was available and when I
couldn't make it, he likeblocked me.
I was like what the hell isthat about?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I have heard similar things from other people, but I
personally do not know the manat all yeah yeah, we were trying
really hard not to do you knowwho?

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
uh, you know who?
I've been watching catholicesquire.
Um, he's like super trad, buthe's, he's very informative.
And he, he knows, I'll give hima shout out.
If you guys don't know catholicesqu, he, he, he knows, I'll
give him a shout out.
If you guys don't know CatholicEsquire, go, go, go check his
channel out.
Give him a follow.
He watches our show, I knowthat.
So he shouted us out the otherday.

(01:13:32):
But all right From there.
Oh, we got James Martin in thechat.
Look at that.
So, hey, hey, send a sample ofthat requisite wine my way.
Boys, let me ask you something.
You think I should try and gethim on?
Father James Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Part of me says there's no way, it would be a
productive conversation at all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
But the other part of me says, yes, let let's do that
I think you have to talk to theother side to find out their
mindset, like you have to.
But like so, like if I bringmike lewis on, it will be a very
cordial conversation.
I just want to pick his brain alittle bit and find out what
what?

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
why he thinks leo is his guy if I tell he's our guy.
Tell a priest to their face oncamera to stop being gay.
Is that a sin?

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Oh yes, we have to get Theo on, yeah we do need to
get him on.
We have to get Theo on.
I watch his show a fair amount.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah, we definitely have to get him on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
The thing is he lives in England, so it has to be a
day when I have off, or aSaturday.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
So we him on, we have to figure with him.
He lives in england, so it hasto be a day when I have off, or
a saturday, so we have to figurethat out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
So so the one one thing I heard about um eric
kajowski or whatever was from.
Uh, was from oh, that is true.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Yeah, eric kajowski and theo.
Right, yeah was from theosaying that, uh, he found
americans to be kind of uncouthand impolite and I'm thinking,
oh, how's he going to deal withAnthony?
Oh man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
But no, but he had a very similar experience with
Eric where it was a schedulingthing and he couldn't make the
schedule work and Eric blockedhim.
Like Eric's a?
I don't know, he might be alittle.
I don't know the guy, I'venever seen's I.
I don't know he might be alittle.
I don't know the guy, I'venever seen his content.
But I think he might be alittle up his rocker guys.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I don't know to be fair, that has not stopped us
from having people in the past.
Yeah, no, no, I like talking tocrazy people, so yeah, there
there was also evidence broughtto life that I'm not going to
say it's 100 true, but there wasdecent evidence brought to
light that that I'll say thisRob and I have never bought
subscribers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
We have paid for it to be perfectly honest.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
We have put money behind ads on videos on on, not
not even a few times.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Two times.
One was very early on when westarted doing it and it did
nothing for us it was on achosen video.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
We we made that an ad and uh, yeah, it did so
terribly.
We're like we thought we werenever going to do it again yeah,
like we're never doing thatagain.
And then we did one, uh, abouta month ago it was like it was
like two or three videos, but itwas was like a week.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Oh yeah, so we just put 300 bucks in.
Basically, we were like 100 onthis video, 100 on that video.
Yeah, we picked three videos,put 100 bucks behind each one
and they did pretty good and Ithink we got like 2,000
subscribers from people seeingthe video.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
It was all the Christian Avenger stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
That's what it was.
Yes, the Christian Avengerstuff, but that's not buying
subs.
Yes, the christian avengersstuff, but that's not buying
subs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
that's paying google ad sense to make your video go a
little further than it wouldhave.
It just puts your video infront of more people.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
They still have to click on it and watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, which is why those videos were a little bit
more clickbaity, to be honest.
But I keep trying to get ant topay me to follow, but he's
cheap.
I took don out to lunch lastweek.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
I don't want to get nothing.
Was pay me to follow, but he'scheap.
I took Don out to lunch lastweek.
I don't want to get nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Was it for a dirty water dog?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
No, we went out after mass, which was funny because
somebody brought up and theywere like, should you go out to
eat on Sundays and go torestaurants and go shopping on
Sundays and stuff?
And I was like, honestly, youprobably shouldn't, but I just
did it.
I saw that, yeah, Like I justdid it with my friends.
So we went out.
It was me, Don and Joe Bocawent out after mass and, uh,

(01:17:31):
just had had lunch together, itwas.
It was actually a really funtime.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
The girls all got along, um, um and everything
went well.
Um, all right, we're gonna headover to locals.
If you guys are not subscribedto locals, if you guys enjoy our
show, that's the best place,the best way to support us,
aside from recusant, and you getmore content.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
We try to give you guys two hours a week over there
if you want to pay us to haveanthony, tell you your sunday
obligation didn't count becauseyou chewed the eucharist joining
locals.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
That's what we should do that, and I have to tell you
about a fight I had.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was mother's day.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
I had a fight on mother's day right, oh yeah, so
I got talking to by my unclebecause I had tim gordon on.
You had tim gordon on, and thenthat's right and then my sister
had a bit of a blowout.
Is that real jimmy aiken?
Look?
At that we got jimmy aiken.
Do you guys discuss alienbaptism in locals?

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
You know what I think I need to get Ryan on with me
while you're gone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Listen, this is why we weren't sure if it was really
Brian Holdsworth in the chatthe other day.
Because we get peoplepretending to be people in our
chat, like we had Father James.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Martin in our chat.
Let had father james martin inour chat let me put the link to
molly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
I like your uncle, all right.
Well, I'll tell you guys allabout that conversation and the,
the, the tense words me and mysister had on mother's day in
front of my poor mother.
My poor mother was so upset,guess your mediation failed that
yeah, I wasn't good atmediating my own fight.
I could mediate other people'sbut not my own, so all right,

(01:19:10):
let's go over.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Okay, hold on, let's start disconnecting here.
Boom, boom, boom bear withthose get the fight over here.
You gotta pay for the fight,you guys gotta pay for the fight
talk.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
I will say this we get more crap for Tim Gordon
than anybody else.
When we have Tim on.
Nobody gives us more crap thanwhen we have tim on.
Nobody gives us more crap thanwhen we have tim on.
Like I understand, um, peoplearen't going to be fans of
people, but like people get likeangry when we have him on.

(01:19:55):
He's I guess he's prettycontroversial, but there's also
like um, like I really thoughtthose conversations were
important to have with him.
Um, hang on, let me just loginto um.
I want to log into local so Ican see the comments.
Okay, what the hell?

(01:20:17):
What's going on here?
There we go.
Yeah, I thought theconversation was important and
you know what, sometimes you'renot going to like every single
conversation we have in thischannel.
So if you guys aren't a fan ofsomebody we bring on, you tune
out for an episode.
What can we do?

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
It's not like we're going to take it personally.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Yeah, so my uncle must have caught the initial
episode we did Like right when.
Pope Leo waso was elected, yeah, and he was like he's like, he
was just like very upset thatlike we came out the gate, like
that, I was like yeah, all right, is this your mom's brother?
no, my dad's brother, who islike my most catholic family
member like, in all honesty,he's my most catholic family,

(01:20:59):
maybe.
So my cousin matt's father, mycousin, my cousin matt's a
locals member and he watches ourshow.
He lives in Spain and so he wasjust like you know.
I just wish you didn't have TimGordon on like that, because
you know it was right out thegate.
We got a new pope and you guysdidn't even give him a chance.
You didn't even say anything.
I said look.
I said it was our initialreaction to hearing.

(01:21:21):
It was honest if nothing else.
Yeah.
So like I saw people takingdown their initial videos and
stuff, like I'm not taking thatvideo down, it was an honest
reaction to it and, you know, ifthings go horribly wrong, at
least we could go back and say,look, this is what evidence we
had before going into this.
Like you know, we're taking adifferent stance now because I

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think it's actually.
I think it's good that tradsare backing down and not going
crazy over this stuff like hehasn't done anything as pope to
to warrant it, and I want thispope to feel loved by his
countrymen you know 100.
You want him to come back here,like francis never visited

(01:22:02):
buenos aires right, he nevervisited once he never visited
argentina at all never once,because they hated him over
there.
Um ha ha.
Now we got lou prevost.

(01:22:22):
What's?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
we got lou prevost in the channel local what's funny
is I can actually look them upin there and see who that
actually is um, yeah, it doesshow that we're not that rigid
right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
It shows that, like we can, we can come out
initially with a certain feelingand then, and then tone it down
a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
It is definitely not, lou Prevost.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
No, it's definitely not.
So then now, okay, so now myuncle's there, my aunt's there
my aunt and uncle are veryCatholic.
My grandmother, my dad's mother, is there.
She's very Catholic, my mom'svery Catholic.
The only ones at the table whoaren't very Catholic are my
sister and my dad.
And we were talking and mysister had a little bit to drink

(01:23:04):
.
She had a lot to drink and wewere talking about, uh, the new,
not that it matters, but Teresano, no, no, Teresa's Teresa is
very.
Catholic Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Teresa is very Catholic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Um, this is my older sister, michelle, okay, so, um,
this is my older sister,michelle, okay, so, um, she, we
were like I'm talking to my, myaunt and uncle, my grandmother
and my mom, and we're talkingabout the new pope and like
we're talking about the ai thingand how that could be exciting,
and like talking about, like,the, the, the prospects of what

(01:23:38):
good could come from this papacy.
And then we start talking aboutthe second vatican council and
like, like stuff my sisterdoesn't know about, about, she
doesn't study this stuff like wedo.
And some old feelings must havecome up, because she came right
out and she was like all youcare about is the law.
You're a pharisee.
Like what?

(01:24:00):
Like, what are you?
Like?
We're talking about the secondVatican council, the new pope,
what are you even talking about?
Like, like I, oh man, I wasjust so disgusted.
I was just like you know what?
I don't even care.
I'm like, yeah, I'm a pharisee,whatever.
And she got up and she walkedout.
My mom started getting upset.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
You should have responded, it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Israeli.
The last time I checked, Dude,I just was like you don't even
know what a Pharisee is.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
You literally don't even know what you're talking
about, I'll find the word andthen I'll let you use it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
I was so angry, I was like you don't even know what
you're talking about.
I'm like literally leave, we'rehaving a normal conversation
and you blurt that out.
I'm like just get out of here.
So she left and then she musthave realized and she came back
out and she hugged me and wemade up.
She was like don't worry,everybody, Me and my sister will

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have brawls dude, Especiallyover sensitive topics.
Alcohol didn't help, she justsnapped.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
The over sensitive topics.
But alcohol didn't help.
You know, she was just snappedthe chat is unoppressed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
They came here to hear about a fight.
Well, the thing is, um, shethinks I'm a pharisee because
I'm constantly trying to get herto come back to the church and
she's probably listened to a lotof joy, smire, stuff.
So she's got that version ofchristianity in her head and

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she's convinced that, like youdon't need to do anything, god
just loves you no matter what,and there's absolutely nothing
he expects of us.
And it's like, yeah, I don'tknow what to tell you on that,
michelle.
Like that's just not, that'show it?
works.
It's just nonsense.
And the thing is I mean we'vetalked about it on this show
like my life was so chaoticwithout the sacraments and now,

(01:25:52):
where my life is now is sostructured and my family is so,
like, well ordered and mychildren love one another and
get along with each other andthey have a healthy relationship
, me and my wife, and it's likeand they're teenagers like these
are the years where your kidsare supposed to be fighting with
you and answering you back, andit's like none of them do any
of that.
They're just.

(01:26:12):
I just have a beautiful family,a beautiful home, life, and all
of it is because of thecatholic faith and, like my
children in it lou prevost saysyou kicked your uncle's ass
because he said he chewed theeucharist maga so I?
I said he said if you chew thehost, your sunday obligation is

(01:26:34):
null and void, or something like.
What are we savages?
Let it stick to the roof ofyour mouth like a suction cup
and scrape it profusely off, offwith your tongue, but I dude.
Nothing bothers me more thanwhen people say jesus said no,
chew trogos, and they throw thatstupid greek translation the

(01:26:55):
only people who say that are.
They're converts and they'rebiblical literalist like, like,
stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
It's like you're saying that because that's what
we told you to get you to becomeCatholic.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Exactly, like not even kidding, like you only know
that because we taught you that, but you don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Yes, it's a physical word, but that's only to express
the physical reality of thereal presence.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
It's not an instruction manual on how to
take the eucharist um, so umarbor arbor got arbor guest
three, nine, four, what do youguys pick such weird names that
I can't pronounce arbor gas?

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
yes, it is that because they don't want you
giving people their addressaccidentally it is that sister.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Yes, um it trogos.
It means no to chew.
It's like shut up.
You're not greek.
The greeks chew because theygot leavened host and the
thing's six inches thick.
We're latin.
We let the thing dissolve inour mouth, knock it off, and
it's because you don't want itin your teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
And then later on you mix it, you commingle it with
regular food and there's like800 years of church teaching
specifically saying not to chewbut whatever don't chew it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
I'm just telling you guys, stop it, knock it off all
of you.
If you chew it, stop it.
My priest, my priest, told meto chew.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
He's a heathen hold on, wait a minute, hold on.
I got a banner for thissomewhere yeah, it's definitely
not stop chewing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
You're not greek, you're not an animal.
Well, so the let it stick tothe roof of your mouth when you
got cotton mouth because you'vebeen in mass for an hour.
And then you, you gotta getultra room in your mouth and you
just gulp it down in one, oneshot.
That's how it's done.
That's how we do it in the westplus.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
I mean plus.
Let's be honest, it's.
It's not like you fasted sincemidnight, right?
I mean, if you're a pure recentconvert, you probably you
probably were drinking an energydrink as you walked into mass.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Yeah, people are like you, gotta fast an hour before
it's like.
Well, we, we don't receivecommunion until 45 minutes into
mass I think I could so I'vebeen driving church, yeah,
pounding their coffee drinking acoffee on the way to mass.
He has a bunch of heathens.
You don't chew the eucharist inthe west.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Stop it well, even in the east, like don, at least
some of the rites, don't?

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
they have blessed wine that they you know, I think
they do in Tinction in theByzantine.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
You receive it on a spoon Right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
You receive it on a spoon, from what Bobby tells me,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
But Karen, the extraordinary minister, told me
to chew you know what's funny?

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
My mom is like a child of the revolution and she
loves the Novus Ordo and she wasan extraordinary minister of
Holy Communion and she's the onewho taught, because she was my
religion teacher, my mom, andshe's the one like, I'll tell
you, man, my mom.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Bobby says we do intinction.
No spoon Dude, that just meansyou dip it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Yeah, yeah picture no spoon dude, that just means you
dip it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Yeah, um, but my mom.
So, for those of you who haveyoung kids, I'll tell you cause,
like my dad didn't catechize us, my mom did the couple of
things that really always mademe never doubt the Catholic
faith, even like as I cause Ilived as though God didn't exist
for a period, but I always knewI had to be Catholic and it was

(01:30:29):
because my mom showed meEucharistic miracles, my mom
showed me apparitions of ourlady and my mom taught, taught
me Catholic doctrine when itcame to like sexual ethics and
like you know, not, not you know, like all of it, she, she
taught me and she also taught melike you don't get married

(01:30:50):
outside of the church, shetaught me she just wasn't very
good at, um, like going in depthon stuff, just because that's
not her forte, but she right.
Those things that she taught mestuck with me and there was
never a question of should I beanything other than catholic?
I didn't know there was adifference in protestant and

(01:31:10):
catholic really.
So, like when I came back inoriginally I was listening to
protestant radio but I justthought they were like catholics
but they don't have theeucharist.
Like I didn't know there waslike drastic difference until I
started studying the faithmyself.
Right, but if you guys haveyoung kids like as they,
especially as they're received,they're about to receive
communion show them eucharisticmiracles.

(01:31:31):
There's plenty on youtube atthis point, the one in buenos
aires especially, which is crazy, because um bergoglio didn't
want it to get tested, like hewas.
He was resistant to themgetting the thing tested, but
that one is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Lou insider info from our brother People in cyclical
encouraging the wearing ofHawaiian shirts for mass.
Finally, mega.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
If this Pope comes out and tells people to chew the
hose, we're going to have aproblem.
I'm going east.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
You want to hear something funny.
So visiting my wife's umgrandparents this last weekend,
right, and uh we're at the hoteland you know the maddie's
talking about all of this crazystuff that he learns and uh, his
, his grandma asks, greatgrandma asks, if he knows the

(01:32:22):
Our Father.
So Maddie starts reciting it,you know, to show how he has it
memorized, and he gets to theend and stops and she's like she
starts saying the whole.
For thine is the kingdom, thepower and the glory and he just
looks at her and he goes Grandma.
No, that was the end.
I don't know what you're saying, but I'm Catholic Because I

(01:32:43):
talked to him about it before.
I'm like they're not catholic,you know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
I'm just like yes oh man, yeah, I'm going to have to?
Um have a conversation with mysister one-on-one.
Um have a conversation with mysister one-on-one because, like

(01:33:09):
the this and dude, she came overto watch the passion on good
friday and it got tense likeeverything gets tense with her
like it's just watching thepassion get tense because you
know well, this isn't actuallyin the bible and I'm like no,
these are the visions of blessedand Catherine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
I'm like woman.
What was the last time youactually read the Bible?

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Give me well, she actually does read the Bible a
lot.
That's the thing.
Like she, especially the gospelof John, and like she, my
sister does believe in God.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
She believes in Jesus , she just thinks especially
because I'm constantly tellingher like no, you like, you need
to go to mass on sunday.
And what's crazy, it's not likeshe goes to a protestant church
.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
She'll come, she'll come to the catholic church.
The pharisees, the pharisees,dude it's.
It's crazy, because there havebeen times where, like she'll go
to confession and then she'llgo to mass and then, but she
doesn't like she, she's like.
The reason I don't want to becatholic is because of the way
you explain it.
I'm like I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
So my mom is basically the same as she with
me.
Yeah, you know she believeswhat your sister does.
I obviously believe what you doand, like, no matter how I
explain it, like, my mom takesit as like being a judgmental
attack.
You're judging.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
You're judging her or other people in general.
I have to.
Yes, that's exactly what, likemy sister's biggest hang up is
that I say only Catholics canreceive the Eucharist.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Like that's one of her, like that there's no
salvation outside the church.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
She freaks out at that I mean, I get it, their
whole generation apostatized,right like, yeah it it.
It's got to suck to acknowledgethat everyone you know is going
to hell yeah you want to know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
What's crazy is.
Nicole had a hard time with thatteaching for the longest time,
like she just couldn't wrap herhead around it.
And through these conversationsI've had what's really
interesting is that, like theconversations I have with
Nicole's family are alwaysfruitful and they're always
gentle and there's never anycause.

(01:35:09):
They don't view anything I sayas judgmental, like they're just
interested in Catholicism, kindof yeah.
So it's like the onlyconversations I have with them
are when they started and theyasked me stuff and like I just
explained Catholicism in a waythat they find very interesting.
But through those conversationsand my wife listening in on

(01:35:30):
them, she's like, wow, like theyhave a fake version of Jesus,
like it's not the real Jesus,like she just she understood it
through those.
So it was like if I tried toteach it to my wife she wouldn't
have gotten it.
But through her listening tothe other side argue it, it's
like her hearing me, not withher, because if I, if I, had

(01:35:53):
said it to her, she would havefelt like being attacked,
because that's how women are,they can't have a rational
conversation where you disagree.
Broads, you're all terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
I don't know how any of these women watch our show,
rob well, analytics say theydon't, so no, there's some,
quite a few actually um 15 isnot quite a few it's more than I
thought it would be.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
It's way higher than I assumed, um oh man, I'm dying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
So it's like 85 degrees out.
We have to have all our windowsclosed because of the smoke you
don't have any air.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Oh, I don't either.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Central air, this desktop is has a thousand watt
power source in there, so it'slike a thousand watt heater I
don't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
I don't have central air either.
I have like eight window unitsin my house, which is probably
like my.
My electric tone this summer isinsane, so um, but I didn't
even put the air conditioner inthe windows yet, because it's
still cool at night.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
You know, it's not like that hot, yet it was 40
degrees last week yeah, so me, Idon't put in, we don't put in
acs up here till fourth of julyoh, you know what else we got to
tell everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
So, okay, I'm going to greece next thursday.
Um, I leave for greece thursday.
I'm leaving, I fly out at four,so I'm going to be on Anthony
Stein's show at 5 am Easterntime.
Then I'm going to be co-hostingJoe McLean show at 730 am.

(01:37:35):
So Joe McLean is going toGreece with Bishop Strickland on
pilgrimage.
Oh really, so he's going toGreece on pilgrimage with Bishop
Strickland and Michael Hichbornis hosting Joe's show.
So I'll be on Joe McClain'sshow, but it'll be me and
Michael Hichborn.

(01:37:55):
Oh, you and Hichborn arehosting Joe's show, are hosting
Joe's show while he's in Greeceand I don't leave until that
afternoon.
So he's going to be.
He's going to be in greece.
They're going.
Joe put doing.
Joe put hitchborn in charge ofthe technical side right, yeah,
he's the host, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
I'm just like I'm the guest at 7 30 and then I'm just
going to derail the whole showwhen I go on so they say you're
going to have to in g Greece youneed to go to an Eastern
Catholic church and do the crosswrong Normal.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
I'm debating what I should do.
Yeah, I'll do it the Westernway, but I'm debating if I might
actually catch a real, genuineByzantine liturgy while I'm
there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Well, it has to be Byzantine Catholic, obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Yeah, obviously.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like anEastern Catholic liturgy, but
it'll be done in greek youshould see how terrible the
greek novus horos are.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
I can't imagine I'm not going to one of those, I'm
not going to one of those I'mgonna find, if there's not a
latin mass.
I'm gonna go to an easterncatholic church there's no way,
there's gonna be a latin mass sookay.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
So joe mclean goes to athens on like the 17th.
I get to Mykonos on the 23rd.
Joe McLean goes to Mykonos the22nd and he goes to the island
of Patmos the 24th.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
So you're going to be there with him for one day.
I'm going to miss him inMykonos by a day.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
I'm going to miss him in Mykonos.
He's only going there for a dayand it's the day I'm getting
into Athens.
Knows, he's only going therefor a day and it's the day I'm
getting into athens, so like Imight catch him.
I might catch him if he's stillthere at the end of the day.
I don't know what time he'sgoing, but he's going to patmos
the next day and I might hop theferry and go to patmos and
catch him and bishop stricklandand patmos you know, you know

(01:39:38):
what you could do.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
you could take the equipment you bought with the
man on the street interviewmoney that you never did man on
the street interviews with andinterview Bishop Strickland how?

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
cool would that be.
How cool would that be?
But even to just go hang outwith them for a few hours in
Patmos, yeah, cause it's a threehour ferry ride from Mykonos to
Patmos.
So if there's like a reallyearly ferry I might just wake up
like 5 am and just jump on theferry and meet them there and
just spend a few hours with them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
take my son with me or something bobby says and
bobby paid a dollar for thisthat he will never go.
He'll never talk to you againif you go to divine liturgy
without him I so bobby was likewell, bobby, just go with him.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
He goes, he that don't dare, don't tempt him,
he'll just show up in greece Iknow, if his boss has let him,
he will he almost had

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
me roam.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
He was like we were on the phone looking at flights
we were going.
If they didn't get a guyelected by mond, we were going
to Rome together.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
I need to get.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
I need to get a passport.
No, but me, all right.
So me and Bobby were talkingabout it, though, like and I've
been, I've been talking to a fewpeople like Bobby says I am off
this weekend we, we need Rob,we need to do a pilgrimage
because our audience is waybigger now than it was when
patrick coffin asked me, likeway bigger so we could fill a

(01:41:04):
pilgrimage on our own.
Now the problem is you have allthese little kids.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Yeah, you know what we can do.
Pilgrimage to leo's uh birthhouse, chicago.
Yeah, you could swing that one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
I can swing that one.
No, like this really is aproblem that you'd have to
abandon your family for a week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
You know like we don't have to do a 12-day thing
that goes.
I don't know that's gonna go.
We're having a fourth one inaugust.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
We can't do europe, obviously, but maybe we could do
like our lady of guadalupe, forfour days or five days I could
do that with my like becausemexico, like I could do that
with my family so bring them.
Yeah, we'll figure that out.
So I think we should do eithera pilgrimage or the other thing
we're talking about doing,because I've been trying to talk

(01:41:52):
to guys behind the scenes totry to figure something out like
we're thinking of organizing inthe chat now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Yeah, carnal sarah.
He said he will lead thepilgrimage to the East.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
How amazing would that be?
No, I've been talking to JoeMcClain, Michael Hichborn and
maybe Anthony Stein, but thegroup that we talk to a lot,
we're going to maybe do aconference.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
That would be interesting, Stein McClain.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Stein McClain.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
We could get Kennedy, I'm sure kennedy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Kennedy would be a good one to co-co-sponsor a
pilgrimage with, though, becausewe could definitely sell one
out with it.
Like he already fills a bus onhis own, we could take the
second bus and do it togetherwith him and hitch a ride with
him, maybe, like he's doing theholy land that's his next
pilgrimage, but he's got a.
He's doing the Holy land,that's his next pilgrimage, but
he's got a.
He's got an older audience toit.

(01:42:46):
The problem is the people thatdo pilgrimages are the people
with money, and they're boomers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
They're older boomers , like the younger crowd doesn't
usually have the money to do apilgrimage, especially because
all the boomers want to do asmany pilgrimages as they can to
burn all that money before theydie before the yeah, so they
don't have anything left toleave us.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Um, that's what the world needs.
Another conference, but no,molly, if we did a conference,
it'd be fun, it would.
It would be like we all givelike a 20 minute talk and then
we're all just hanging out likeI told.
I told mclean that I'm likedude, we're not doing an all-day
conference like that.
It sucks.
Like nobody.
Nobody wants to do it.
No, you go and everybody giveslike a 20-minute talk, and then
the rest of the time is spentjust smoking cigars, drinking

(01:43:28):
whiskey and hanging out.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
I'll drink a pina colada there will be no
chocolate milk allowed dude, howmuch more fun was the after
hangout than the conference?
There was, yeah, the like okay.
So we're friends with the guyswho spoke at the conference,
obviously, and they gave goodtalks.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
I wouldn't have gone there for the talks, no and
that's not a knock to them, it'snot a knock on them.
Conferences in general areboring, dude, like I went to the
catholic identity conference.
There were some great speakersthere.
I enjoyed two or three of them.
The rest of them I'm like can Ijust go to the bar?
Like I just want to go to thebar and hang out with everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
There was also no bar , so oh the catholic identity
conference.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Okay, yeah yeah, catholic identity.
Well, we brought our own bar toour conference.
We basically just we all hit,basically just we all hit the
liquor store, we all hit thebeer distributor and we just
brought our own.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
You know what's funny ?
So I was with my brother thisthis last weekend and I started
telling him stories from theconference he goes, bro, I was
there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
He had fun.
He had a good time hanging withus.
Yeah, but yeah, you had fun.
You had a good time hangingwith us.
Yeah, um, but yeah, just thethe hangout after and getting to
like spend time with peoplethat watch the show, because the
, the people that watch our showare different than all the
others.
I'm telling you we have a, wehave a unique audience and that
its majority is under 50.
Yeah, a majority is under 50and it's I'm telling you, man,

(01:45:02):
when you go to these conferences, it's all old people it was
generally yeahit's generally like that when
you go to these conferences,like even when I did, when I did
the cancel priest conference,wasn't many young people there?
There were some, but you knowit's.
But when we did the northcarolina thing, there were some,
but you know it's.
But when we did the NorthCarolina thing, there were 40

(01:45:24):
guys under 50 there to see meand Rob.
It was just like you don't getthat at other conferences.
I'm telling you Margo 62, 62and female Marge 62.
It's not Margo, that's notMargo.
No, marge 62, 62 and femaleMarge 62.
That's not Margo, that's notMargo.
No, marge 62.
62 and a female.

(01:45:45):
See, we got some badass chicksthat watch our show man.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
At least until you make a boomer woman joke.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
Old people.
I feel attacked on JD France ortrade JD Trance, jd, france or
trade jd trance.
Uh, this is ann.
I'm 70.
I love you.
Look at that.
We do have some awesome womenthat watch our show.
Canceled priests are allsupported by maga boomers.

(01:46:16):
Yes, yeah, well, it's also avery unique um crowd, like there
was.
There's a called I'm notsupposed to say this, I'm not
supposed to say that.
There's a group called theCouncil and they have quite the

(01:46:38):
Avengers squad they haveassembled and Rob and I are not
invited.
Wait, who are we talking about?
I'll tell you over there.
Okay, hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Let me pause the stream and you can tell me Okay,
stream's paused.
Tell me, is it really no?
You know what?
I almost said it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
I almost said it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Oh man, tell us, everybody wants you to tell us.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
Wait, is it related to the canceled priest?

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Many of the people that were at that were at this.
It was the Tennessee thing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Tennessee thing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Yeah, yeah, that just happened oh, I thought it was
something different, buthitchport can't get us in.
I know like it was like allpeople from like that we talked
to and they were all down there,but it's like an older crowd I
don't know.
Like they're they, like they.
They don't understand the valueof our show.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
It's the amish thing too isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
they?
No, because mclean's prettybased on that, and so is
katherine, and katherine wasthere, um, oh, now you're just,
you're literally just tellingeverything now.
And I mean, dr kwasniewski wasthere, um, uh, there were a lot
of people there, but so wasaltman yeah see, I don't know if

(01:48:09):
I can do that this is.
You guys better never blow myspell, like we're telling you
guys stuff I'm not supposed tobe repeating.
Okay, then let's just stop.
I can't help myself.
I don't know.
Clearly, clearly, you cannotfirst rule the council.

(01:48:31):
These people don't understandthe value of our show, though
that's my point like maybethat's because there is value to
our show.
Listen to me, here's thedifference as long as you don't
tell us secrets the value in ourshow is that we are actually
speaking to gen x, millennialsand zoomers for the most part,
like we do obviously haveboomers that watch, but it's for

(01:48:53):
the most part it's gen x,millennials and zoomers, like
we're talking to the youngergroup where well, anthony, why
don't I get invited anywhereafter telling secrets?
I'm just very butthurt that weweren't invited to this thing
all right don't cross me becauseif I find out the info I'm

(01:49:18):
gonna blurt it out on my localsum the the.
They don't see the value in ustalking to the younger crowd
like we're the future of thechurch well, not you and I
anymore bud but yeah, we are,though, like that, like, look,
somebody has to take the mantlefrom the scott hans, and and

(01:49:39):
like those guys, right,somebody's got to be the new
boomers.
Yeah, somebody has to be thenew boomers.
Like somebody has to do it.
Now we, we don't talk like theprofessional catholics do.
So no, I think that's that'swhat kind of opens the younger
crowd up to us, because we'rejust hanging out and talking and
I don't know, I I think they,they're.

(01:50:02):
They don't see that people,that there's a space for that,
right, you know, they see, theysee, uh uh, an accountant from
the Midwest and they see aconstruction worker from the New
York and from New York andthey're just like, oh, what
value do they bring?
They don't see that most peoplewould rather.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Anthony replacing Scott Hahn.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Think about no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no.
Bobby said he goes dude.
What it is is like there aresome times where, yeah, I want
to listen to a theology talk andI want to learn something he
goes.
But then there's sometimes likeI don't want to listen to trash

(01:50:48):
and I don't want to hearcursing and I don't want to hear
foul mouth nonsense, but I justkind of want to, so he doesn't
tune in when Tim's on our show.
I guess not.
But he does want to hear like apodcast where guys are just
shooting the crap with eachother, where you know they're
talking about church stuff still, but it's not because I don't

(01:51:08):
really listen to the mostcatholic media, because me-
neither because I'm in it allthe time, right, I get enough of
it and I don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
I'll listen to kennedy sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
I I like his views and opinions on stuff um not
like I used to, though no, Icheck out anthony stein every
morning because it's on my rideinto work and he's usually
talking about like the topicalnews story of the day.
He's way too early for me, butyeah, so I'll, and I'm in his
live chat in the morning on myride to work, you know.

(01:51:39):
So it's like I interact withhim a little bit on the way in.
I always check anthony steinerand then while I'm at work, I'll
throw joel mclean on, becausehe's same thing he's talking
about, like whatever's topicalthat day, and I interact with
his audience and his audiencelike like they're happy to see
me in the live chat.
You know it's like yeah, so, um, but other than that, like I'm

(01:51:59):
not really watching much elseanymore.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
No.
No I mean, I've kind of heardit all.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
You know what I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the
monologue in front of the cameraanymore.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
No, nope.
If there's an interestingsubject that someone's
presenting right from a catholicperspective I haven't heard I'd
, I'd I would definitely tuneinto that.
But uh, yeah, but yeah, the themonologue thing is is played
out, in my opinion no and notfor me, for me, I'm not yeah if

(01:52:37):
anyone else enjoys that, yeah,so be it, but for me it is it's
just a matter of taste.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
It's not a matter of I don't like this guy.
It's nothing to do with that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
It's just where my taste is has shifted to like I
don't I'd much rather waste mytime watching some autistic
explanation of a firearm orsomething I'm not even joking uh
I only watch you and kennKennedy, not interested in
anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Majorians, musings.
We gotta find a place for you,man.
Let's see.
I love watching Stein now, butit took a while.
I watch Hitchborn and AnchorTeam.
That's a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
What was the hot take , paul the monologue being
played out too many.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Thomas need more autistic explanations of
Nietzsche.
No, I'm, you did.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
Should bring back Thursday yeah, I like Thursday,
just no mash talk, please.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
I sat for 45 minutes what I'll mash.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
The mash listening to nick and thursday talk about
mash this chat is bananas.
Okay, first off, I'm taller.
Okay, hold on, you don't knowwhat I'm even talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
That looks like the guy that doesn't even look like
me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
All I'm going to say is I'm taller than him.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
It doesn't look anything like me.
It looks like the freaking guythat's always talking to the
comedian.
He's the comedian and you justmade me look like Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Akin, like the guy that's always talking to the
committee.
He's the comedian does the andyou just made me look like jimmy
aiken.
Before the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Before the oz epic that doesn't look like bay
anthony telling francis all oursecrets tyler says don't
complain, you weren't listening.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
You were looking up guns online, not tonight.
I bought too many recentlyaltman is about 5 10.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
He's not so he's my height yeah, he's a little bit
taller than me.
He's not like particularly tall, he it's.
He wears civvies all the time,man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
I'm going to refrain from commenting.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
Yeah, when I met him, he was wearing gym gear.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Drinking in a hotel room right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
Mm-hmm, yeah, and he wasn't a particular fan of mine,
I guess because he was, I don'tknow he was the one guy I
wasn't crazy about at thatconference.
I'm not trying to gossip, but Ijust, I, just, I don't know
Everybody else the reason whyyou're not on the council.
Everybody, everybody else wasso friendly to me and he was
just not, you know he doesn'tseem like a friendly sort of

(01:55:37):
person.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
All right, this show is kind of dwindling out, guys.
We got a late start, let's see.
All right, this was a.
This is a fun one.
Um, so thursday will be on,then tuesday will be on, and
then next thursday I'll be onwith anthony sign and then, uh,

(01:56:03):
me and hitchborn will be on,then Tuesday will be on, and
then next Thursday I'll be onwith Anthony Stein and then me
and Hitchborn will be takingover.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
Don't forget what else you're doing next Tuesday
do I have you booked that for me?

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
I'll be on LifeSite News at 4 Eastern, but I don't
know if that's live it'sprobably recorded that's
probably pre-recorded.
Yeah, that'll be interesting.
Yeah, it's probablypre-recorded.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Um, yeah, that'll be interesting yeah, it's gonna be
a busy day for you yeah, Ihaven't talked to john henry in
in about a year.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Um, all right, yeah, we're gonna wrap this up.
I gotta get some sleep.
It's a good recusant ad robthis one here.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Yeah, I did not see that until now.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
The breakies at rubnick art.
I like it you're not supposedto like.
I want that picture.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
I'm putting that up somewhere for those of you who
are not in the chat.
First off, why did they makeyou look like joe boca?
A little wait.
What?
Look at the look at the screen.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
You kind of look like joe boca and you look like kyle
, I do like kyle.
Uh, all right, I'm gonna wrapthis one up.
Um, all right, so we'll see you.
We'll see you guys on thursday.
Not sure what we're gonna doyet.
We'll try to maybe shift gears.
I don't know.
We'll see.
If pope leo does anythingexciting, we'll talk about that.

(01:57:33):
If not, I don't know, maybewe'll do a deep dive into um,
what are?
What are we gonna?
What if this?

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
pope doesn't just do terrible stuff.
Well, twice a week for the next12.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
I think we should highlight as good stuff.
Well, I talked about thisalready like dude, like we'll
talk about anything like itdoesn't matter like we're.
I know how to be entertaining.
I don't need the Pope to suckto be entertaining I wasn't
entertaining because the Popesucked.
I made the Pope suckingentertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
It's weird, we might be able to do shows on actual
Catholic topics.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
And even maybe some good things the Pope did.
That would be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Yeah, the worst part is that both those things are
not going to get any views.
I think they might.
I think people are.
Yeah, the worst part is thatboth those thought things are
not going to get any views?

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
I think they might.
I think people are excitedabout the new pope.
I mean that'll, that'll onlylast a little while and then
it'll kind of just become he'sthe pope.
But don't worry, there's plentygoing on in the world, yeah
that's let's just say, said,then be entertaining.
I thought tonight was a goodshow bring back the movies with
father nicks.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Um, maybe soon.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Yeah, maybe soon, we'll do that on rumble.
I guess we'd have to do that onrumble, do that on rumble.
So yeah, if you guys aren'tsubscribed to the rumble channel
, we'll.
We'll promote that as it comesup.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
But all right, we should someone says avoiding
mammon the new reason intheology.
It it's like, ah, we shouldcall ourselves no reason North
North theology.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
I always thought he should have called that show
unreasonable theology.
Yeah, all right, we'll see youguys next time.
I got to get some sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Thanks for watching.

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