September 12, 2025 • 57 mins
The shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk has left our nation reeling, creating a moment that transcends typical political divisions and forces us to confront the darkness that has taken root in American society.
We gather to process not just the horrific event itself, but what it reveals about the spiritual state of our culture. The gruesome footage—showing a father of young children gunned down while simply speaking—has left a psychological scar on everyone who witnessed it. One young man called his father in distress, saying "I just can't get that image out of my head."
This murder follows closely behind other acts of senseless violence: Catholic schoolchildren killed in Minneapolis, a Ukrainian refugee woman murdered on a subway, and the attempted assassination of former President Trump. These aren't isolated incidents but symptoms of what one guest calls "a demonic spirit" unleashed in our society. The troubling pattern suggests we're witnessing something more sinister than political disagreement—we're seeing the manifestation of genuine evil.
Perhaps most poignant are the revelations about Kirk's faith journey. Despite public perception of him as simply a Protestant figure, we learn that Kirk had been attending Mass with his Catholic wife, participating in Eucharistic adoration, and reportedly going through RCIA with a priest. As one guest notes, "What Protestant does that?" This spiritual dimension makes his murder all the more tragic, cutting short not just a public career but a profound personal transformation.
The discussion moves beyond simple grief to examine the philosophical foundations of our cultural conflict. "Debate and discourse require people of goodwill," one participant observes, "but you cannot debate with somebody who has no sanity to reason with, no humanity to appeal to, and who only wants to kill, destroy and take." This stark assessment challenges us to recognize that some divides cannot be bridged through dialogue alone.
Join us for this profound conversation about faith, violence, and America's uncertain future. Then share your own thoughts and questions as we try to make sense of this pivotal moment together.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We will make America powerful again, we will make
America wealthy again, we willmake America strong again, we
will make America proud again,we will make America safe again
(00:27):
and we will make America greatagain.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
My God's Christianity is not the cowardly, whimpish
Christianity that you want tomake it.
My Christianity is theChristianity that defeated
Islamic Jihad three times.
My Christianity is theChristianity that conquered the
Roman Empire, christianity thatconquered the Roman Empire.
(01:26):
My Christianity is the kind ofChristianity that defeated the
pagan Vikings and the northernpagan tribes.
My Christianity is the kind ofChristianity that defeated the
Ottoman Empire, that defeatedthe Arab invasion of the 7th
century, that defeated the Arabinvasion in Andalusia.
Andalusian Christianity.
Do you see?
European, european, he sees it.
(01:46):
He sees it.
Oh no, this is where you'rewrong, because the Ethiopian
Christians, who follow my kindof Christianity, defeated the
Muslim invasion from Somalia andEgypt.
My Christianity is the onefollowed by the Armenians and
the Georgians who defeated thePersians, the Rastrians and the
(02:11):
Muslims.
My Christianity is not forwimps.
You're complaining about itbecause you are.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No humor tonight, man .
What a 24 hours.
Yeah, yeah, um, this, this,every single person I have
talked to, so that, all right,we, uh, rob and I were like in
the middle of a panel discussionand I got a text from taylor
(02:41):
marsh.
Charlie Kirk next shot pray.
Immediately.
And I'm like wait, what?
I didn't know what he meant.
I wasn't sure if he was justsaying headshot, like somebody
roasted him or something.
You know what I mean.
Like, yeah, you'll say thatsometimes.
Ooh, you know, he got aheadshot.
And immediately I went toTwitter and I saw the
long-distance video and I waslike, oh, my heart hurt, you
(03:05):
know.
And then Rob showed me thecloseup.
Yep, and there was something sopsychologically damaging about
seeing that closeup it.
I just it's, it's weighed heavyon my heart for 24 hours.
My son called me last night.
We had a conversation about itlast night.
(03:26):
He just he.
My son's 19 and he's he lovesCharlie Kirk clips.
You know he's always watchingCharlie Kirk.
You know roast, roast thecollege kids and stuff.
And he just called me lastnight.
He's like dad.
I just can't get that image outof my head.
It's just so like unnerving andunsettling and I, and I think
that closeup video is whatreally has had such a
(03:47):
psychological effect on everysingle person that I I mean
everybody just has this feelingof sickness for the past 24
hours.
How about you guys?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, um, I have, uh, a little bit of knowledge in in
um.
You know I don't have a medicalbackground, but I understand a
lot of medical things.
And as soon as I saw that shot,I knew there was no way he was
going to survive.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I knew immediately, and in fact one of the things
that I was pretty certain of isthat he was gone within a minute
of being for sure yeah, whenthey, when they were circulating
reports that, uh, he's incritical condition, rob and I
both just looked at each otherlike there's no, there's no
chance.
You meant because you see howquick the blood came out and in
some ways, what was the?
(04:39):
Location too yeah, I mean thatwas carotid artery.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
so I mean, I mean, you see that kind of that amount
of blood, and even if they hada surgical team on hand right
there on the stage the minutethat he was hit, the surgeon
could not have saved him.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
No, no, that's what Rob said.
Rob said, even if they hadblood on site and they could
have replenished the blood,there's just when your body
loses blood that rapidly,there's no way your brain can't
recover from it.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
There would have been no reconstructing, no, there
was nothing left to reconstruct.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, exactly, there was nothing left to reconstruct
and that image was just so, sohard for everybody to see and I
just think it everyone kind ofoh my goodness, that happened at
his school.
I think everyone just felt thisfeeling of the irony of his
(05:38):
outfit being called TurningPoint.
Right, because this does seemlike a turning point in the
culture in the country.
Everything this doesn't seemlike just turning point in the
culture in the country.
Everything it this doesn't seemlike just another event that
happened.
As much as I thought the videowe saw last week with the
ukrainian girl was the mosthorrific thing I had ever seen.
This was probably the most Idon't.
(05:59):
I don't remember being this likescarred from seeing something,
like I wasn't expecting it tohit me that hard.
And then all of a sudden itjust comes up in your feed over
and over and over and I just Isaid I have to get off Twitter,
like I can't, I can't actuallybe on here because everybody's
reposting it and I just I justcouldn't see it anymore.
So so we, you know, we gothrough that whole thing and
(06:22):
then today I have to fly home,on 9-11, on a crystal clear day,
flying into LaGuardia.
I have that to deal with.
Then I come home and it turnsout I have like a koi pond in my
backyard that me and my wifebuilt and I have 25 fish in
there.
There's seven left because araccoon ate all of my koi and
I'm talking koi we've had forfive years.
They're like 19 years long, andnormally I ate all of my and
(06:45):
I'm talking koi we've had forfive years, they're like 19
years long and I.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't like.
Normally I'm like either fish,no, no, no koi.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Koi have personality and like I loved those stupid
like every day I come home and Ifeed the koi like they'd see my
shadow coming and they wouldlike they'd know they're getting
fed.
And it was just.
It was just such a hard day tocome home.
Never mind, you can make a joke,rob, it's not the time.
Yeah, I know.
So it was funny because Rob andI were coming home and I was on
(07:12):
the plane and I texted Rob andI go hey, do you think we should
ask Hitch for another momenttonight, like he'd probably be a
really good guest for this?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Before Rob could answer, michael texted me and he
goes hey, you got a littleextra room when you show up for
me to pop on and I was like youknow, man, it's just kind of,
you know, seemed like it was tooperfect to not put us together
so well, you know, as I, as Iwas processing everything that
was going on and looking at kindof the reactions to, to what
(07:40):
happened, um, I mean, obviouslythe the investigative mind in
part of me is sitting theregoing, okay, who, what, when,
where and how, what was themotive?
How was it done?
Who did it?
Did he have accomplices?
You know, I'm I'm sitting herelooking at all the details,
trying to ascertain everything,but I couldn't get past thinking
(08:03):
about Charlie, his wife and histwo little daughters.
It breaks me every time you know, there's every every time I
tried, yeah, Every time I triedgo ahead go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Every time I tried thinking about just just
reasoning my way through it andtrying to just keep my rational
mind going and focusing on, oninvestigating and doing what I
do best.
I just couldn't get past seeingpictures of him with his two
daughters.
It kills me every single time Ithink about it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, I put a tweet out today, something along those
lines, and I and I and I don'tmean to downplay people who
don't have children, because ofcourse, anybody can empathize
with it but there was justsomething that just struck me as
like just imagining, especiallywhen their kids are so little,
like that, when you have littleones and there are three and
four like I met Rob's son thisweekend and there's something
(09:05):
they're just so dependent on youand so dependent on fathers,
specifically like the thought ofthose kids.
Melania trump put out abeautiful tweet saying along the
lines of um, uh, charlie'schildren will grow up with
photos instead of a father andthey'll grow up with stories
instead of memories, somethingalong the lines of that, and it
was just such a heartbreakingthing to read.
(09:27):
Like, um, I think this, this,really it was just such a hard
thing to process and I and I'mstill in the morning phase and I
see people are moving to thenext stage of grief, which is
anger, and people are like, okay, you know what happens next.
But I do think we need to staycool and collected right now and
(09:49):
understand the moment we're inin our country and that these
things are probably going tohappen in succession with the
snowball effect incidentally, Ihave to correct myself.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Somebody pointed out and and they're right a daughter
and a son.
I I said two daughters.
I I meant, yeah, I, it was adaughter and a son.
And you said two daughters.
I meant, yeah, I, it was adaughter and a son.
And you're.
You know, you're absolutelyright.
We are in a situation, we're ina very precarious balance right
now, where there is a lot ofanger, there is a lot of hurt,
(10:18):
um, you're, you pointed out theuh, the recent um deaths in the
opening show.
You know the, the assaults, theattacks, the, the kids that
were murdered at the school thatyou've got, the uh, the
ukrainian woman that wasmurdered on on um on the subway,
and and there's so much more.
I mean, there's there.
There's so much that's going on.
(10:38):
I I am reminded of what ourlord said to himself in Genesis,
just prior to announcing thathe was going to send a flood,
and that was that the hearts ofmen are set on evil at all times
.
All they think about is doingevil.
(10:59):
And when you look at the kindsof people that are committing
these heinous crimes, theseheinous acts, it's very clear
that there's a demonic spirithere.
There's a satanic, hellishelement to this and I've been
pointing this out ever since thewhole Black Lives Matter thing
really erupted in the summer oflove in 2020.
That, the horror show thatwe're witnessing right now, was
(11:24):
an eruption from hell.
You know what happened in 2020,and not to rehash something
that everybody already knows butsomething changed fundamentally
in this country during thatsummer, and I think what
happened?
Because everything was lockeddown.
It was locked down from AshWednesday to Easter, so you had
(11:49):
an anti-Lent.
Lent is supposed to be a time ofgiving things up, of not
indulging, of saying you knowwhat?
I'm going to fast, I'm going toreduce my consumption of media
so that I can focus and reallykind of turn inwardly and look
at my sins and do acts ofpenance and repent of my sins,
so that I can focus more on myLord, the God who saved me on
(12:11):
the cross.
That's what Lent is all about.
Instead, netflix and Pornhubsubscriptions went through the
roof, so people were indulginginstead of giving up.
It was an anti-Lent.
And that, of course, came toEaster, where we were still
under the lockdowns.
And what happened?
You had empty churches.
All the churches were empty.
(12:33):
You had an empty Vatican.
You had Pope Francis say massin an empty church.
Now, what's really crucial tounderstand about this is that we
, as catholics, when we go andreceive the holy eucharist, what
we're doing is we are receivingthe light of christ like a lamp
.
We become lamps, little lamps,into the world.
(12:55):
You know, a tabernacle is whereour Lord resides in the church.
Our Lady is a perpetualtabernacle because Christ is
always with her.
When we receive communion, webecome little tabernacles, and
so when we take Christ into theworld after we receive Holy
Communion, we bring those littlelights of grace into the world
(13:17):
with us.
That didn't happen on Easter.
You know the imagery of goinginto the church lighting the
candles one by one.
The church is darkened and allof a sudden it gets brightened
because everybody is holding alit candle at the Easter vigil
and it all comes from the firethat's lit outside the church.
Okay, that's all.
At the Easter vigil.
We have this from the the, thefire that's lit outside the
church.
(13:37):
Okay, that's all.
At the Easter vigil we havethis light that comes into the
church and from the church thatlight goes out into the world.
That didn't happen on Easterbecause nobody was receiving
communion.
And at the end of it.
What happened on Pentecost?
That's when everything was.
It was overturned, you know,suddenly people could go back
(14:00):
out into public and you wereallowed to do things, and so on
Pentecost, what's supposed tohappen is the light of the Holy
Ghost descends from the heavensupon us like flames, and it's
the light that does.
It is the flame that does notconsume, because it's the same
flame that we saw in the burningbush.
It did not consume the leaves,but here, during that
(14:24):
anti-pentecost, you had adifferent kind of flame that
welled up from below, the kindof flame that does consume, the
kind of flame that is not ofillumination but of revolution.
And from that point forward,everything changed.
Everything's been differentever since.
So I think, when we start tolook at what happened, you know
(14:45):
that and and that was rightabout the time that charlie kirk
was really kind of grinding thegears, he was really getting
things going.
From that point forward, Ithink turning point came from
around that time period.
So Charlie Kirk, he, he was alight into the world.
In fact, a lot of people, they,they, you know a lot of
(15:06):
Catholics, they understand.
Okay, he was a Protestant, butlet me tell you something he was
going to mass with his wife.
His math would actually.
His wife would actually, uh,left the faith.
She was not practicing herCatholic faith.
She was returning, she wascoming back into the faith.
There are pictures of the twoof them going to Mass.
Charlie was changing his mindon certain aspects of the
(15:28):
Catholic faith.
He was telling Protestants theygot it wrong on Mary.
And I'm also getting reportsthat Charlie had recently had
his marriage consecrated in theCatholic Church, convalidated
right.
Yes, and that he had been goingto adoration.
What Protestant does that?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah, and I got a DM from someone who says that they
are close with the priest whowas privately working.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Charlie, charlie through rcia so there's a good
chance.
Yeah, let me ask you something.
So someone that's going throughthat like is that, is that what
we would say baptism of desire?
Right, like that's, that's whatwe would consider about, like
somebody who's who's seeking it,but they just haven't completed
the the because he's baptizedalready.
(16:17):
He was already baptized.
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
No baptism, but A confirmation of desire.
Well, yeah, if he's alreadygoing through RCIA, he's
committed himself to alreadygoing under the auspices of Rome
, which means he was alreadyCatholic.
I mean, you don't Just because,look, if you're baptized you're
a Christian period.
That's, that's the way it works, going through RCIA, coming
(16:43):
from a Protestant backgroundinto a Catholic, into the
Catholic fold.
Once you make that commitmentto go through RCIA and you've
made that ascent of ofconversion, even without having
going through the formalities ofit, you're already in the faith
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Now the um, the thing is like.
I you know, I know everybodysays like I didn't agree with
everything.
Charlie said yes, of course, butum, there was something about
charlie sometimes, so it's likea silly thing to have to say,
but, yeah, obviously, like Idon't agree with everything.
Michael thinks um, but the um,there was something genuine
(17:24):
about charlie.
That was like he just seemed.
He just seemed genuine and andwhat he was doing and he just
seemed like a good man.
And every single story youheard from anybody who knew him
in in their real life justthey're heartbroken, like the
people who actually knew him areheartbroken because he was.
He was a genuinely good man, agood Christian, and it's just
(17:48):
one of those things where Ithink everybody that's normal
because you're seeing thereaction from people on the
other side and it's just beyondevil and anybody that's normal
is looking at this and the firstthing they think is those poor
children like his wife andchildren were at the event when
this happened and it's just, youknow those kids are gonna have
to wake, wake, like one daythey're going to see that video
(18:10):
and I don't know.
I mean the whole thing is justreally, really.
I think it's, I think it's just, I think it's galvanized the
nation where something's goingto change at this point, and the
conversation around right andleft, I think, is silly.
At this point too, we'redealing with a group of people
who are just completely out oftheir minds.
This isn't normal left versusright discourse right discourse.
(18:38):
I'm also not even sure whatstories to believe from the
media about what they're like,about this being a a trans
shooter, things like that.
I don't know what to believe.
Everything is just so such fogright now.
Everything is so fog of war atthis point that it's like
they're going to feed youstories to get you mad at a
certain person to help theirnarrative.
But I just don't.
I'm so cynical at this point.
(18:59):
I don't trust anything theytell us anymore.
And I don't know because yousee it's a shot from 200 yards
away.
Look pretty pretty much like ithad a precision hit then.
But then I'll hear somebodylike Rob say it wasn't.
I don't.
I don't know what to believe onthis.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I'm not a I'm not a sniper shot so and you wouldn't?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
give me four hours with you and you can make that
shot.
Yep, yeah, a 200 yard shot witha scope.
Uh, which 30-06?
With 30-06, it's, it's, and,and you're talking about.
You're not trying to hit asmall bullseye like this, you're
trying to hit a mass you know,getting center mass you're?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
they're probably actually aiming for his chest,
yeah so a rifle like that it'lllook to be a pretty inexpensive
30-06 they usually have like anaccuracy and like an inherent
accuracy of a gun is measured inwhat's called minutes of angle,
moa and what that is.
It basically at 100 yards, oneminute of angle is equal to one
(19:58):
inch.
So it means that even if thatgun doesn't move and fires at
the exact same spot five timesin a row, there's going to be a
one-inch spot, you know aone-inch circle that it could
land in right.
Yeah, a cheap gun, a cheap, youknow bolt-action gun like that
(20:20):
you're looking two, three, maybe, worst case, four MOA.
So let's say it's a two MOA gunat 200 yards.
A two MOA gun means it's goingto be two inches at 100.
It's four inches at 200 thenit's four inches 200 then.
And that, if you slow down thevideo, that bullet actually
(20:41):
strikes the upper part of anarmor plate that he was wearing
and it looks like.
Obviously I don't know for sure, but from the way it ricocheted
it looked like it was a steel.
You think he had a bulletproofvest on or something he most
definitely did Really yeah soyou see it hit here and then it
ricochets up into his neck.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh really, Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
If it hit here and it was a 2-MOE gun at 200 yards,
that's a 4-inch circle heprobably was aiming center mass,
right at his heart, which evena low-power scope at 200 yards
you see very clearly.
So it just means that a cheapbolt gun yeah, you know that
bullet landed in that four inchcircle which was in the upper
(21:25):
part and if it was?
A cheap steel steel armor plate.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Without the anti-spawing technology it
ricocheted right up into hisneck the crazy part is people
talking about gun control likethis was a bolt action rifle,
like there's no gun laws thatthey'd ever create that are
going to prevent somebody fromgetting a rifle like that every
household outside of your bigcities has at least one gun.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Exactly like, exactly like this isn't.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
It wasn't an ar, wasn't a handgun, this is a
rifle, is a hunting rifle,essentially.
So there's like the peopletrying to make this about gun
laws.
It's just such a silly thingand this shouldn't be about that
anyway.
It's.
It's just a cruel evil act thatwas committed.
Now we don't know who committedit.
(22:11):
I just know I don't trustanything I get from the news or
the government at this point,like I just don't believe
anything they say.
So I don't know.
Michael, you posted a statementby Bishop Burbage Bishop
Michael Burbage, that youthought was pretty good, which
is good to see from a bishop,right, like, typically they run
(22:32):
with the gun violence thing, butthis bishop seems to actually
have his finger on the pulse ofwhat's going on.
So, as americans, we arewitnesses in just the past few
weeks to a vicious pattern ofpolitical and social disorder at
annunciation catholic parish inminnesota, minneapolis the
killings of harper and fletcher,two innocent children.
In charlotte, the murder of theukrainian refugee irina
(22:55):
zarutska, and now politicalassassination of charlie k,
known for his commitment tocivil and rational discourse.
We entrust each of thesevictims to God, our Heavenly
Father and author of every humanlife, and His Son, jesus Christ
, the reason for oursupernatural hope.
What we see unfolding in ournation is a vicious pattern of
hatred rooted in the rejectionof God, of the dignity of the
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human person and the sanctity ofthe family.
We can eradicate these illsonly through a firm reliance on
God, through a deeper devotionto Christ and the gospel,
through a sincere love forpersons reflected in law and
through a renewed commitment tojustice and public order.
We're living through a perilousmoment.
Our challenge is not only oneof partisan disagreement, law
and policy, but in in a deeperway, our challenge is to uphold
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the central goods of americanpolitical life, of faith, of
families and of nationalcommitment to live together in
harmony as brothers and sisters.
Nothing about gun violence,nothing political, just.
We are living through somethingright now where this is good
verse evil and our culture andour society is just ripping
apart at the seams and it's somuch to do with the evil that
(24:00):
has been unleashed on the worldand this has a very big part to
do with the church.
I'm sorry, like I'm not goingto say it's back into, but it's
kind of the the whole malaise ofthe hierarchy in general not
preaching about sin, not talkingto people about the reality of
hell that has just crept intothe entire world, it seems, and
(24:22):
once the church stops actuallypreaching the truth, we've just
left these souls to live in thisfilth and man.
Evil just seems like it'sgrowing rapidly at this point
and it just seems unstoppable,and the things that are coming
down the pike don't seem likethey're going to be better.
(24:43):
Everybody looking for apolitical solution.
Man, I don't think I've everbeen more blackpilled on
politics.
At this point, there's nopolitician you're voting in to
fix this, nothing.
It is a return to Christ or weare going to witness the
collapse of the entirecivilization that we know so I I
will.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I will say this it's both end.
Um, it's both end because, inin the one sense, we we've
gotten to the point where wecan't rely on our political
leaders to to do what they'resupposed to do.
We can't rely on our lawenforcement communities to
maintain order in a disorderedsociety.
You just can't.
So there is that spiritualelement that must be engaged.
(25:26):
We've got to do penance.
Our lady said that if you don'tdo penance, if you don't do the
first five Saturdays, if youdon't wear your brown scapular,
if you don't pray the rosarydaily, if you don't engage in
the practice of the faith, asshe requested, well then the
consequences are going to beworldwide spread of communism.
(25:47):
Yeah, okay, that's what we'reup against.
So there is that element.
We have to engage the spiritualto.
We have to engage the spiritual.
However, I will say that wealso have to push for certain
things within civil society toget a grip on the rampant
insanity that has taken hold ofevery facet of our, of our
(26:10):
culture.
And I don't want to read to youwhat I posted on on um.
Um, cause I, I wrote this.
I was as soon as Charlie died,uh, actually, as soon as he was
shot, I went and I grabbed arosary.
I immediately started prayingmy rosary and I just went for a
walk and when I got back, youknow, I was hearing reports that
(26:30):
he was already dead but, um,nothing official was coming out.
It didn't come out for severalhours later, but it was.
It was pretty clear to me thatthere, that he just wasn't going
to survive, um, so I wasruminating on things, I was just
thinking about it, I was, and Iwas looking at some of the
reactions and some of the thingsthat people were saying were
(26:52):
starting to irritate me, becausethey were saying well, we've
got to make sure that we're not.
You know, this is the problemon both sides.
There's just too much, too muchharsh rhetoric.
People are just saying meanthings because that's what's
going to cause problems.
And it's like look, stop, stop,because all of the violence is
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coming from one side.
And as I was thinking about it,I just started typing.
I pulled out my phone.
I was walking around mybackyard, I just started typing.
I'm going to read to you what Iwrote, because I posted it on X
the other day.
I said the time has come.
There can be no civil discoursewith the progressive left.
Their entire position is builton a foundation of envy, and the
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only language they speak israge, and the outcome will only
ever be violence and death.
The progressive left can'tstand to see others succeed, so
they demand to take from thosewho do.
The progressive left hates thefact that others have good and
beautiful things, so they teardown whatever they can.
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The progressive left despisesinnocence, so they seek to
poison the minds and souls ofchildren.
The progressive left loathesGod and the faith he gave us, so
they do whatever they can totwist and suppress it.
The progressive left abhorsfamilies, so they push to break
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them up.
The progressive left hasnothing but derision for true
patriotism, so they fomentrevolution.
There is nothing theprogressive left won't do to get
what it wants or to destroywhat it can't have, and they
will burn down their own homesjust to spite anyone who crosses
them.
The progressive left is acriminal, terrorist Marxist
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movement and it is time that theideologies behind it be made
illegal.
The ideology of Sodom, meaninganything tantamount to
homosexuality, transgenderism,queer or other, must be made
illegal.
The ideology of Moloch, meaningthe push for abortion,
euthanasia, human sterility,must be made illegal.
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The ideology of Marx andAlinsky, meaning the envious
socialism that demands taxstructures to redistribute
wealth, must be made illegal.
All that is associated with theprogressive left is filled with
satanic hatred and rage, and itmust be purged from our country
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if our civilization is tosurvive.
So what I'm saying here is thatyou can't dialogue with
somebody who thinks that theonly way to win an argument is
for you to die, and that'sexactly what the progressive
while I agree with every singlething you said there, this is
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not a simple question of of theprogressive left, and it's not
there is.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
There is something so dark and evil afoot here.
So when you look at theukrainian girl, that wasn't a
political thing.
That guy is just demonicallythere was a member of the
progressive left.
I'm sure, I'm sure, but this isso much more than just liberal
Republican.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It's just so much deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
There is such a yeah, but I don't.
I'm not disagreeing with you atall.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I just let me explain why, though because philosophy
matters.
Philosophy matters.
Everything about theprogressive left is predicated
on envy, everything.
So what they do is they turn topeople who are oppressed or
underpaid, or they have anideology that's slightly
different, or they want to havelicense to commit certain kinds
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of sins, and so what they do isthey go to those people and they
say you know what?
That person gets away with this?
Yeah, that person has that, or,and they, they put the, they
plant those seeds of envy inthose people, and that envy
grows like an evil weed in themind.
Yeah, and so that, what does itdo?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
it fuels rage, necessarily what do you guys
think of this?
Because, uh, austin said, well,I, I don't know what he means
by 85, I'm not sure what hemeans, I don't know if he's just
, maybe he thinks we'retraditional I'm not really sure,
but we are traditional.
Um, I disagree, yeah, obviously, but I disagree with 85 of what
you guys say regarding theology.
But simply, now it is, it isthis question us or them?
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So, um, they might beprotestant, they could be
protestant, right, that's,that's absolutely true.
So, um, yeah, there issomething.
Um, you know, we just watched,we just watched what happened in
minneapolis.
Those, um, catholic schoolchildren.
We just saw charlie kirk gothrough this.
Charlie kirk was a well-knownProtestant, these kids were
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Catholic.
Like, there is a level where,when, when, what is the Peter
Kreeft quote?
Something about, like, whenbrothers are, when somebody is
at war, brother, like arefighting brothers reconcile.
When, when there's, you know,when there's an outside problem
by fighting brothers reconcile.
I don't know the exact quote butwhen there's an outside problem
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fighting brothers reconcile Idon't know the exact quote.
When there's a maniac at thedoor, fighting brothers will
reconcile.
Yeah, and there's a degree towhich it's not just Catholicism
they're going after.
They are going after anybodywho professes Jesus Christ, and
I do think that there's.
I'm not saying we should do aecumenical outreach, but there
is a degree to which it is usversus them, the people who
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don't have any any of the lightof Christ in their lives, versus
people who actually have somekind of a moral compass because
they have Jesus Christ in theirlives.
Yeah, yeah, like anyone whoeven follows the natural law,
they hate right Feuding brothersreconcile when there's an enemy
at the gate.
Thank you, rob.
I'm rob.
Yeah, you know, um, um, yeah,and charlie kirk was such a
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pivotal, uh aspect of gettingelected.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Why is charlie kirk the target?
because charlie kirk kirk wastalking about the natural law
yeah because he was arguing frompoints from there's something
called uh, it's, it's anindisputable truth, it's a a
self-evident truth.
If I say this is my finger,it's a self-evident truth, I
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don't have to prove it to you, Idon't have to go through a
large logical argument to proveit to you.
It's self-evident.
I can say this is my finger andit's a self-defining statement,
so there is no steps to provingit.
Charlie Kirk was takingself-evident truths and and and
explaining self-evident truthsto people who couldn't embrace a
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self-evident reason.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I have no rational mind.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Right.
There's no rational argument.
They rejected their own biology, which means they did violence
to their own nature.
And if you do violence tonature, what you're doing is
creating such a wound, such avisceral wound in the self that
it has to have a violentexplosion.
It's like splitting the atom.
You've done violence to violentexplosion.
It's.
It's like splitting the atom.
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You've done violence to thenature of an atom.
If you split the atom, well,what do you think is going to
happen psychologically andinteriorly and spiritually to
somebody if you split them fromtheir biological reality?
It's.
It's going to be an explosivefourth force greater than the
atom bomb well, to also likereiterate what you were saying,
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Rob.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
why don't you bring up the Ilhan Omar clip Like this
is because she's not even likeone of the psychos over on
TikTok who are like cheering onCharlie's.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
She is a psycho she is she's on?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
She's on.
Who is she talking to?
I don't know who that guy is, Iforget, like Hassan Piker or
something she's talking to, Ithink.
But just look at how theyrationalize this.
It's insane that they willactually say he brought this
upon himself because of thingshe said.
To Michael's point all he didwas say things that are just
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naturally evident for anybodywith a rational mind.
They consider this bringingthis upon himself.
Oh, mehdi Hassan, I thought itwas Hassan Faker.
They're all the same man, Samedifference.
Pop that video up.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
What I do know for sure is that Charlie was someone
who once said guns save livesafter a school shooting.
Charlie was someone who waswilling to debate and downplay
the death of George Floyd in thehands of Minneapolis police.
(35:39):
I think he called him a scumbagRight have no regard to
downplay slavery and what blackpeople have gone through in this
country by saying Juneteenthshould never exist.
And I think you know there area lot of people who are out
there talking about him, justwanting to have a civil debate.
A complete rewriting of history.
(36:03):
Yeah, there is nothing moremessed up, you know than to
completely pretend that you know.
Uh, then then to completelypretend that you know, his words
and actions, um have not beenrecorded and and and in
existence um for for the lastdecade or so yeah, you can turn
this off.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I mean, you guys, you guys get the point.
It's like this is whatmichael's talking about.
Like these people, they don'tsee a father who lost his life.
They see someone who goesagainst their ideology, brought
this upon themselves because thethings Charlie said are so bad
that he deserved it.
Like that's essentially whatthey're saying.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
It's beyond reprehensible yeah, it's, it's,
it's.
It's extremely upsetting andinfuriating to see the kinds of
visceral reactions that peopleare having, um, and, and almost
the celebratory and andself-laudatory tones that
they're taking.
It's, it's, uh, it's disgusting, but it's also part and parcel
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for that entire movement.
These people trade inSchadenfreude.
They live in in an well, it's,it's, it's a prideful disdain
for anything good, true andbeautiful.
And Charlie he was.
He was not an aggressive or aum or an imposing or an
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aggressive or a um or animposing or or even a, a snarky
figure.
He, he didn't use snark orsarcasm at all.
He spoke truth in charity.
He was all always only lovingto the people.
That I mean.
If, even when people weregetting in his face and yelling
at him and cutting him off andsaying terrible things to him,
he responded with the kindestand most charitable things I'd
ever heard from a debate, fromsomebody debating these matters,
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you know, and and he would havebeen justified to say something
nasty or awful back to them, hewould have been justified and
he never did.
And and I I mean I reallyadmire him, for I think that
it's incredibly laudable and itwas a virtue and what he was
expressing was true Christiancharity.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Do you guys know?
If this is true, Hold on.
Today Lofton has been attackingCharlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Oh, I hope not.
I mean, I don't know.
I did see people like.
I mean, lofton is Whatever, hemight be right on the Israel
question, but I don't care,that's not.
And Charlie was coming aroundon that.
Yeah, charlie was coming around.
On that, anthony and Rob shouldstart considering wearing vests
.
It's interesting because likeI'm not big into suits, but not
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even that like we're he's in acharlie kirk is a different
stratosphere, right, but youdidn't make a decision today
which one?
oh okay, like the, he's in atotally different realm than us,
right, but he's in the samefield as us in some way.
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And rob, rob made the point.
Like anthony, you never knowwhat loony you're gonna trigger
with your tweets.
Even like that's the pointwe're at and in in time right
now, where you could because Ido provoke people charlie didn't
seem to do.
That is the point Michael wasmaking.
Charlie did seem to try and goout in a gesture of goodwill and
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have conversations about thesethings.
He changed tons of people'sminds, especially young people.
He got so many people to changetheir minds.
No-transcript college campusanymore because everybody's at
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rest.
And that's part of what theywere trying to accomplish with
this is terrorize everybody fromeven engaging on college
campuses, where the minds arethe most malleable to hear the
truth.
Because kids, when they're atthat age group, that's when you
actually want to confront them,which is why the leftists are
(40:35):
always trying to take overschools.
So what?
What they like, what charliewas doing, even with stephen
crowder did with the change yourmind stuff, all of that stuff
had such a huge effect on theculture.
It's what got gen z men toswitch from being liberal to
conservative, I think, and Ithink part of whatever this
whole thing was is an attempt toscare people off from
continuing on that road andhelping young men come out of
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the rut of leftism that theygrew up on in public schools.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, um, I think that, uh, as, as we look at the
situation, we start consideringwhat people are saying and the
kinds of anger that was directedat Charlie Kirk and still
continues to be directed at him.
It was, it was an irrationalanger and what they were angry
(41:23):
about is the fact that he wascausing them pain, because the
truth, it's the truth.
If you think of a lie as abroken bone, okay, let's say
every lie you tell breaks a bonein your body, and when you have
to double down on a lie or youmake the lie even worse, you're
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bending yourself even out ofinto a worse shape.
You're harming yourself in waysthat you can't even imagine.
Now, imagine that the remedyfor that lie is the truth, and
the truth's told in charity.
Not not just a nasty truth and aflippant truth, but you're
telling the truth, you'reexplaining the truth and what?
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What you're doing is you'reresetting that wound, you're
taking that bone and you'reputting it back into its proper
place.
And what the?
What the patient is doing isthe?
The patient is screaming ouchand he's pointing a finger at
you, saying you hurt me, youcaused me pain, and that's where
that visceral reaction towardscharlie kirk is coming from.
They are upset that he issetting their pain back into the
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forefront of their mind.
And now they're.
They're blaming him for thepain that they're in, when what
he was doing was actuallyhelping to heal them.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You want to know what's interesting, man, I saw
two things today.
Rob texted me, we texted ourgroup chat and he said I feel
kind of awful about some of thethings we criticized Charlie for
in the past, right, but now weme, like the review we did of
his talk with knolls, like Idon't even remember what I said
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but it wasn't charitable, atleast right.
So so yeah, you, you, you hadfelt some guilt about that, and
I saw a lot of the groiperscoming out today and saying as
much like I saw one kid say.
I feel awful about the thingsthey said about charlie.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Today I realized I'm an awful person, right did you
see a few under that tweetthough?
No the you know the account,awesome jew.
Yeah.
They replied with likesomething like I realized that
too, I'm gonna work to be uhbetter or something.
Then, uh, they're like are yougoing to be less anti-semitic
(43:36):
now?
Speaker 4 (43:36):
that person goes no more actually they tried for a
tweet.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
But there's an interesting thing that's
actually happening in in this,in that somebody, um, somebody
who was very critical of Charlie, then sees this happen and it's
almost like a shock to theirconscience, right.
And there's a moment ofreflection and all of a sudden
they realized, oh man, I like, Ilike, I need to go to the
(44:03):
confession, confessional, right.
Sometimes events like this, asawful as they are and I'm not
saying this is a silver lining,even but they can reveal our own
hearts in some ways, right, Iwatched secular libertarian Dave
Smith's take on this andCharlotte and he said an almost
just as Catholic, as this showtalked about satanic people.
Normies are starting to wake up, yeah, I think so.
Dave's not an atheist.
(44:24):
Dave has come around tobelieving in God.
I know that I'd like to get himon one day.
He's just so hard to get him.
But, like even him, he was kindof he's buddies with Charlie,
right, and Dave is sometimes atthese public events, so for him
to see something like thishappen to his friend, he has to
be thinking, man, this couldhave just as easily have
(44:46):
happened to me, like this couldjust as easily have happened to
any one of the people in thepublic sphere that are going to
these, you know, large scaleevents.
This guy was hidden on a roof200 yards away and fired the
shadow off.
I don't care how good yoursecurity is, sometimes they're
going to miss something likethat, right, but the the?
Speaker 4 (45:04):
and just to point, just to point to that out, you
know a lot of people are saying,oh, maybe this was an inside
job, maybe they're.
You know, you saw the handsignals from the guy with a
white hat and the hand signalsfrom the guy in the black shirt
and look, stop, stop.
Charlie kirk was not apolitician.
He didn't have a secret servicedetail.
He didn't have, uh, heavy dutypersonal guard protection.
(45:26):
He had, yeah, he had abodyguard and and the guy in the
black shirt, I'm pretty sure,was one of his bodyguards.
I don't think he was givinghand signals to to a shooter.
But, you know, instead of oftrying to look for the
conspiracy theory which is veryeasy to do, especially given our
day and age, but instead ofgiving into conspiracy theories,
let's just look at the factsand be very matter fact about it
(45:50):
.
There was a shooter.
That shooter was on a roof.
There was not a security detail.
That was going around sweepingevery single nook and cranny of
that particular campus to tryand find different angles by
which somebody could get on aroof and fire a shot.
That just wasn't going tohappen.
That's not the kind ofpersonality that Charlie Kirk
was.
He wasn't a politician.
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He wasn't even an A-list actoror something like that, who does
hire big security teams to dostuff like this.
He was a political commentatorand activist, and we have to put
this into perspective and saythis is not a situation where we
would look for inside jobs andsecurity details that help this
happen.
That that's not.
(46:32):
That's not this yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Well, first of all, nobody's gonna be counted to
silence.
Everybody's still gonna speak.
But you will re-examine how yougo about doing public events, I
don't care what anybody says.
Like all these guys who dothese public events are going to
re-evaluate their security,their security, they just ben
shapiro just canceled a bunch ofhis, his uh yeah, speaking and
he said he's going to do themagain.
(46:54):
But it's just right.
You have to reevaluate how youdo security in these things, the
um, the.
The other thing is, uh, with,with, when it comes to, like,
seeing the conspiracy, I'm, I'mgoing to tell you I, I don't
know what this was.
I'm probably not going to trustwhat they tell me it was.
I don't know what it is.
It's like I'm not, I'm notgoing to say it's facade.
(47:16):
You know what I mean, but Ialso just don't.
I just don't trust anything andI don't know if there is some
grand scale.
I don't know what, the.
I don't know what the playwould be in in this regard,
other than to rile up sectarianviolence, right, just other than
to just cause more, to escalatethe tensions in our country, to
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cause more mayhem with it,because the best way to conquer
someone is to divide, like adivide and conquer strategy
works very well when you'relooking to take down a nation.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Yeah, that's canceled that for sure.
Now, guys, yeah, that'scanceled that for sure now guys?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
um, yeah, I I did like seeing that some people
were starting to do a littleself-reflection and maybe we
have to think about how we talkabout people in general online,
like.
Like, maybe we have toreevaluate how we, how we have
any conversations, because, man,people are nuts these days.
What did taffy say?
Uh, there was an individualafter the shooting with his
(48:13):
pants down, reportedly yellingI'd do it again which created a
distraction and enabled theshooter to evade police.
Fact that issue.
Yeah, there's a lot of strangethings.
This doesn't doesn'tnecessarily mean like this,
could the lone gunman man.
It had an eerily similar vibeto the trump thing, sure?
Speaker 4 (48:31):
and it just did.
Let's take that for just asecond.
I want to explain when, when westart looking at this, we can't
just look at it in um, in oneor two dimensional space, we
have to look at it in fourdimensional space.
Okay, there is an element tothis that is spiritual and we
don't know how much of this is acoordinated human activity.
(48:54):
Or is there something of ahigher nature going on here that
is taking care of things behindthe scenes?
And I want to tell you a littlestory that kind of puts this
into perspective.
I'll tell you two stories,actually One my former boss when
I was at American Life League.
His name was Jim Sedlak.
Please pray for him.
He died of a heart attack anumber of years ago.
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Jim was the founder of StopPlanned Parenthood.
He was the number one enemy toPlanned Parenthood and he would
annually go to PlannedParenthood's major conventions,
wherever they were held.
He would go there and he wouldjust hang out in the lobby and
be a presence.
You know people would sneer athim and stuff like that, but
he'd pick up pamphlets and stufflike that and just kind of go
(49:39):
about business that way.
Well, he told me about this onePlanned Parenthood convention
that he went to.
He said that as he was goinginto the hotel room there was a
group of people that were kindof gathered in a circle and they
were all just kind of chantingthis weird chant and he thought
it was really odd.
He got a weird sense about themand he went up to his hotel
(50:01):
room and he looked down and hesaw them all in a circle and
they were rising up.
They were doing this chant,them all in a circle, and they
were rising up.
They were doing this chant, andthen they let out a yell and
when they did the chant was over.
Now he said there were you know100, maybe 200 people just kind
of milling about in thecourtyard, just wherever near
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nearby the hotel.
But as soon as they finishedtheir chant, all of a sudden
everybody in that area went nuts, they went absolutely bonkers
and they started rioting,tossing things over.
They just went crazy.
There's a spiritual element tothis.
There's another story I'll tellyou.
One of my college professorswas driving home from adoration
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one evening and he came to afour way stop.
This is at like two in themorning.
There's no one on the road to afour-way stop.
This is at like two in themorning.
There's no one on the road.
He comes to a stop and he'sjust continuing to pray on his
way back from adoration.
He's just praying mentally.
And as he's at this four-waystop, another car approaches and
(51:04):
it's at the four-way stop andthey're facing each other.
They're waiting for the lightsto turn green and before the
light turns green, green, thewindow of the other car rolls
down and he just yells right in.
My college professor shut up,shut up.
How would they know that he waspraying?
How would they know he was evenspeaking?
So you start looking atsituations.
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This guy who pulled his pantsdown said I'd do it again.
I'd do it again.
We don't know if there is ademonic influence involved in
this.
So rather than taking aspeculating circumstances.
We have to look through this andsay the only way that we
correlation is not causation, soyou have to wait for the
(51:48):
evidence to come in to say thatthere was a connection.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, yeah, look, there's a.
I mean any.
Anybody who's prayed atabortion clinics will tell you
how crazy people get wheneverthey're faced with Christ.
I mean, they just these peopleare demonically possessed or
oppressed and, whether theyrecognize it or not, that's a
visceral reaction that there was.
There's even, I think there wasa video of them doing a
Eucharistic procession throughNew York and, like you'd have, a
lot of people would drop totheir knees and make the sign of
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the cross and then some peoplewould just react vilely.
You know they, just beingaround the Eucharist would make
them, you know, completely losecontrol.
Things like that.
Um, I, I think I want to goover to locals and I think we're
going to open up the the streamyard again and allow people to
come on.
Michael, you all right withhearing from some of the some of
(52:36):
the listeners?
And, yeah, sure.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
One more thing that I want to say before our our
YouTube audience has to go go tobed.
I also wrote this on socialmedia because I was talking
about the problem of look,charlie kirk was all into the
discourse, he was all into thedialogue, he wanted to have that
conversation.
He was helping peopleone-on-one and this is
(53:01):
absolutely essential.
But there comes a point whereyou have to look at the people
of a particular philosophicaloutlook and you realize that
there is no dialogue to be had.
And what I wrote is this I saiddebate and discourse require
people of goodwill, but youcannot debate with somebody who
has no sanity to reason, with nohumanity to appeal to, and who
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only wants to kill, destroy andtake.
That is the radical left andthat is what we're up against
agreed um somebody's saying thisis too important.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Keep it on youtube.
No, it's too important.
Go pay for a local subscription.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Tired of you guys not paying also, if we keep it on
youtube, there's a better chancewe're going to get someone to
just wants to troll.
We're not going to do that, somaybe we'll post it in a day or
two on youtube so people canwatch.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
But no, you have to be a locals member no, what I
would like to do is like,especially some of you younger
guys, if you guys you know ifthis affected you in a certain
way, you want to share it.
I know I know a lot of peoplejust kind of want to just
express their sorrow, thingslike that.
If you guys have any questions,if you guys want to come on and
ask advice, we've got Michaelon the block tonight so Michael
can maybe help some guys out ifthey have any advice they need
(54:16):
anything like that.
But I do kind of I likebringing the local supporters on
and giving them a chance tocome and meet their pals and
hear from them a little bit.
So I think we might start doingthat a little more often.
We're not going to just do likefull advice shows, but maybe
when we go over to locals we'llstart letting you guys pop on.
So if you guys aren't localsubscribers, please join us over
there.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
That is where we have all the fun and if you're in
the live chat now, I pinned thedirect link to the local show in
the live chat, so so um,michael, anything to promote.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
You got anything coming up or you have anything
you want to yes, um, we've beengoing after the association of
us catholic priests big time,especially since we put out the
video showing uh the the thatthere were priests at that
conference.
They were talking about sexualself-abuse um, you, you know
what I mean by that I'm using aeuphemism and they were calling
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it a prayer very blasphemously.
It was just awful.
Well, we know that the USConference of Catholic Bishops
is partnering with the AUSCP ona particular project.
We have a report on that comingout tonight.
My researcher is puttingtogether the article now.
We're going to be sending apress release on it tomorrow
morning.
That report will be coming outtomorrow morning and we'll be
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circulating it around as much aswe can.
On top of that, I haveadditional information from the
auscp's meeting in june thatties directly into all of this
trans insanity that we've beendealing with for the last couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yeah, and we and we need our hierarchy to actually
start addressing this issue forwhat it is Like.
I'm so tired of this JamesMartin approach to this issue.
The only way to actually getthem to address it is for people
like Michael to keep puttingthis public pressure on them.
So thank you for everything youdo, Michael.
All right, guys, we're going towrap this up.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
We're going to head them.
So thank you for everything youdo, michael.
All right, guys, we're gonnawrap this up.
We're gonna head over.
Uh, you need to get michaelback on soon for a non-sad
episode so you guys can use thefunny intro that we have not
been able to use twice.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Now we will play it on locals.
How about that no?
Man, okay, all right it's allright, you guys gotta wait.
Yeah, it's interesting becauseyou came off of the minneapolis
shooting as well, so the lasttwo episodes you came on.
We couldn't do an intro, afunny intro video, but I mean we
have Michael on all the time.
He's like our best friend, sowe'll get him on again soon,
(56:40):
don't worry guys.
Um, all right, we'll see youguys on the other side, rob,
take us out, brother uh oh wait,oh wait.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
so Thank you.
We will make America powerful again, we will make
America wealthy again, we willmake America strong again, we
will make America proud again,we will make America safe again
(00:27):
and we will make America greatagain.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
My God's Christianity is not the cowardly, whimpish
Christianity that you want tomake it.
My Christianity is theChristianity that defeated
Islamic Jihad three times.
My Christianity is theChristianity that conquered the
Roman Empire, christianity thatconquered the Roman Empire.
(01:26):
My Christianity is the kind ofChristianity that defeated the
pagan Vikings and the northernpagan tribes.
My Christianity is the kind ofChristianity that defeated the
Ottoman Empire, that defeatedthe Arab invasion of the 7th
century, that defeated the Arabinvasion in Andalusia.
Andalusian Christianity.
Do you see?
European, european, he sees it.
(01:46):
He sees it.
Oh no, this is where you'rewrong, because the Ethiopian
Christians, who follow my kindof Christianity, defeated the
Muslim invasion from Somalia andEgypt.
My Christianity is the onefollowed by the Armenians and
the Georgians who defeated thePersians, the Rastrians and the
(02:11):
Muslims.
My Christianity is not forwimps.
You're complaining about itbecause you are.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No humor tonight, man .
What a 24 hours.
Yeah, yeah, um, this, this,every single person I have
talked to, so that, all right,we, uh, rob and I were like in
the middle of a panel discussionand I got a text from taylor
(02:41):
marsh.
Charlie Kirk next shot pray.
Immediately.
And I'm like wait, what?
I didn't know what he meant.
I wasn't sure if he was justsaying headshot, like somebody
roasted him or something.
You know what I mean.
Like, yeah, you'll say thatsometimes.
Ooh, you know, he got aheadshot.
And immediately I went toTwitter and I saw the
long-distance video and I waslike, oh, my heart hurt, you
(03:05):
know.
And then Rob showed me thecloseup.
Yep, and there was something sopsychologically damaging about
seeing that closeup it.
I just it's, it's weighed heavyon my heart for 24 hours.
My son called me last night.
We had a conversation about itlast night.
(03:26):
He just he.
My son's 19 and he's he lovesCharlie Kirk clips.
You know he's always watchingCharlie Kirk.
You know roast, roast thecollege kids and stuff.
And he just called me lastnight.
He's like dad.
I just can't get that image outof my head.
It's just so like unnerving andunsettling and I, and I think
that closeup video is whatreally has had such a
(03:47):
psychological effect on everysingle person that I I mean
everybody just has this feelingof sickness for the past 24
hours.
How about you guys?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, um, I have, uh, a little bit of knowledge in in
um.
You know I don't have a medicalbackground, but I understand a
lot of medical things.
And as soon as I saw that shot,I knew there was no way he was
going to survive.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I knew immediately, and in fact one of the things
that I was pretty certain of isthat he was gone within a minute
of being for sure yeah, whenthey, when they were circulating
reports that, uh, he's incritical condition, rob and I
both just looked at each otherlike there's no, there's no
chance.
You meant because you see howquick the blood came out and in
some ways, what was the?
(04:39):
Location too yeah, I mean thatwas carotid artery.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
so I mean, I mean, you see that kind of that amount
of blood, and even if they hada surgical team on hand right
there on the stage the minutethat he was hit, the surgeon
could not have saved him.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
No, no, that's what Rob said.
Rob said, even if they hadblood on site and they could
have replenished the blood,there's just when your body
loses blood that rapidly,there's no way your brain can't
recover from it.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
There would have been no reconstructing, no, there
was nothing left to reconstruct.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, exactly, there was nothing left to reconstruct
and that image was just so, sohard for everybody to see and I
just think it everyone kind ofoh my goodness, that happened at
his school.
I think everyone just felt thisfeeling of the irony of his
(05:38):
outfit being called TurningPoint.
Right, because this does seemlike a turning point in the
culture in the country.
Everything this doesn't seemlike just turning point in the
culture in the country.
Everything it this doesn't seemlike just another event that
happened.
As much as I thought the videowe saw last week with the
ukrainian girl was the mosthorrific thing I had ever seen.
This was probably the most Idon't.
(05:59):
I don't remember being this likescarred from seeing something,
like I wasn't expecting it tohit me that hard.
And then all of a sudden itjust comes up in your feed over
and over and over and I just Isaid I have to get off Twitter,
like I can't, I can't actuallybe on here because everybody's
reposting it and I just I justcouldn't see it anymore.
So so we, you know, we gothrough that whole thing and
(06:22):
then today I have to fly home,on 9-11, on a crystal clear day,
flying into LaGuardia.
I have that to deal with.
Then I come home and it turnsout I have like a koi pond in my
backyard that me and my wifebuilt and I have 25 fish in
there.
There's seven left because araccoon ate all of my koi and
I'm talking koi we've had forfive years.
They're like 19 years long, andnormally I ate all of my and
(06:45):
I'm talking koi we've had forfive years, they're like 19
years long and I.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I don't like.
Normally I'm like either fish,no, no, no koi.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Koi have personality and like I loved those stupid
like every day I come home and Ifeed the koi like they'd see my
shadow coming and they wouldlike they'd know they're getting
fed.
And it was just.
It was just such a hard day tocome home.
Never mind, you can make a joke,rob, it's not the time.
Yeah, I know.
So it was funny because Rob andI were coming home and I was on
(07:12):
the plane and I texted Rob andI go hey, do you think we should
ask Hitch for another momenttonight, like he'd probably be a
really good guest for this?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Before Rob could answer, michael texted me and he
goes hey, you got a littleextra room when you show up for
me to pop on and I was like youknow, man, it's just kind of,
you know, seemed like it was tooperfect to not put us together
so well, you know, as I, as Iwas processing everything that
was going on and looking at kindof the reactions to, to what
(07:40):
happened, um, I mean, obviouslythe the investigative mind in
part of me is sitting theregoing, okay, who, what, when,
where and how, what was themotive?
How was it done?
Who did it?
Did he have accomplices?
You know, I'm I'm sitting herelooking at all the details,
trying to ascertain everything,but I couldn't get past thinking
(08:03):
about Charlie, his wife and histwo little daughters.
It breaks me every time you know, there's every every time I
tried, yeah, Every time I triedgo ahead go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Every time I tried thinking about just just
reasoning my way through it andtrying to just keep my rational
mind going and focusing on, oninvestigating and doing what I
do best.
I just couldn't get past seeingpictures of him with his two
daughters.
It kills me every single time Ithink about it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, I put a tweet out today, something along those
lines, and I and I and I don'tmean to downplay people who
don't have children, because ofcourse, anybody can empathize
with it but there was justsomething that just struck me as
like just imagining, especiallywhen their kids are so little,
like that, when you have littleones and there are three and
four like I met Rob's son thisweekend and there's something
(09:05):
they're just so dependent on youand so dependent on fathers,
specifically like the thought ofthose kids.
Melania trump put out abeautiful tweet saying along the
lines of um, uh, charlie'schildren will grow up with
photos instead of a father andthey'll grow up with stories
instead of memories, somethingalong the lines of that, and it
was just such a heartbreakingthing to read.
(09:27):
Like, um, I think this, this,really it was just such a hard
thing to process and I and I'mstill in the morning phase and I
see people are moving to thenext stage of grief, which is
anger, and people are like, okay, you know what happens next.
But I do think we need to staycool and collected right now and
(09:49):
understand the moment we're inin our country and that these
things are probably going tohappen in succession with the
snowball effect incidentally, Ihave to correct myself.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Somebody pointed out and and they're right a daughter
and a son.
I I said two daughters.
I I meant, yeah, I, it was adaughter and a son.
And you said two daughters.
I meant, yeah, I, it was adaughter and a son.
And you're.
You know, you're absolutelyright.
We are in a situation, we're ina very precarious balance right
now, where there is a lot ofanger, there is a lot of hurt,
(10:18):
um, you're, you pointed out theuh, the recent um deaths in the
opening show.
You know the, the assaults, theattacks, the, the kids that
were murdered at the school thatyou've got, the uh, the
ukrainian woman that wasmurdered on on um on the subway,
and and there's so much more.
I mean, there's there.
There's so much that's going on.
(10:38):
I I am reminded of what ourlord said to himself in Genesis,
just prior to announcing thathe was going to send a flood,
and that was that the hearts ofmen are set on evil at all times
.
All they think about is doingevil.
(10:59):
And when you look at the kindsof people that are committing
these heinous crimes, theseheinous acts, it's very clear
that there's a demonic spirithere.
There's a satanic, hellishelement to this and I've been
pointing this out ever since thewhole Black Lives Matter thing
really erupted in the summer oflove in 2020.
That, the horror show thatwe're witnessing right now, was
(11:24):
an eruption from hell.
You know what happened in 2020,and not to rehash something
that everybody already knows butsomething changed fundamentally
in this country during thatsummer, and I think what
happened?
Because everything was lockeddown.
It was locked down from AshWednesday to Easter, so you had
(11:49):
an anti-Lent.
Lent is supposed to be a time ofgiving things up, of not
indulging, of saying you knowwhat?
I'm going to fast, I'm going toreduce my consumption of media
so that I can focus and reallykind of turn inwardly and look
at my sins and do acts ofpenance and repent of my sins,
so that I can focus more on myLord, the God who saved me on
(12:11):
the cross.
That's what Lent is all about.
Instead, netflix and Pornhubsubscriptions went through the
roof, so people were indulginginstead of giving up.
It was an anti-Lent.
And that, of course, came toEaster, where we were still
under the lockdowns.
And what happened?
You had empty churches.
All the churches were empty.
(12:33):
You had an empty Vatican.
You had Pope Francis say massin an empty church.
Now, what's really crucial tounderstand about this is that we
, as catholics, when we go andreceive the holy eucharist, what
we're doing is we are receivingthe light of christ like a lamp
.
We become lamps, little lamps,into the world.
(12:55):
You know, a tabernacle is whereour Lord resides in the church.
Our Lady is a perpetualtabernacle because Christ is
always with her.
When we receive communion, webecome little tabernacles, and
so when we take Christ into theworld after we receive Holy
Communion, we bring those littlelights of grace into the world
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with us.
That didn't happen on Easter.
You know the imagery of goinginto the church lighting the
candles one by one.
The church is darkened and allof a sudden it gets brightened
because everybody is holding alit candle at the Easter vigil
and it all comes from the firethat's lit outside the church.
Okay, that's all.
At the Easter vigil.
We have this from the the, thefire that's lit outside the
church.
(13:37):
Okay, that's all.
At the Easter vigil we havethis light that comes into the
church and from the church thatlight goes out into the world.
That didn't happen on Easterbecause nobody was receiving
communion.
And at the end of it.
What happened on Pentecost?
That's when everything was.
It was overturned, you know,suddenly people could go back
(14:00):
out into public and you wereallowed to do things, and so on
Pentecost, what's supposed tohappen is the light of the Holy
Ghost descends from the heavensupon us like flames, and it's
the light that does.
It is the flame that does notconsume, because it's the same
flame that we saw in the burningbush.
It did not consume the leaves,but here, during that
(14:24):
anti-pentecost, you had adifferent kind of flame that
welled up from below, the kindof flame that does consume, the
kind of flame that is not ofillumination but of revolution.
And from that point forward,everything changed.
Everything's been differentever since.
So I think, when we start tolook at what happened, you know
(14:45):
that and and that was rightabout the time that charlie kirk
was really kind of grinding thegears, he was really getting
things going.
From that point forward, Ithink turning point came from
around that time period.
So Charlie Kirk, he, he was alight into the world.
In fact, a lot of people, they,they, you know a lot of
(15:06):
Catholics, they understand.
Okay, he was a Protestant, butlet me tell you something he was
going to mass with his wife.
His math would actually.
His wife would actually, uh,left the faith.
She was not practicing herCatholic faith.
She was returning, she wascoming back into the faith.
There are pictures of the twoof them going to Mass.
Charlie was changing his mindon certain aspects of the
(15:28):
Catholic faith.
He was telling Protestants theygot it wrong on Mary.
And I'm also getting reportsthat Charlie had recently had
his marriage consecrated in theCatholic Church, convalidated
right.
Yes, and that he had been goingto adoration.
What Protestant does that?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah, and I got a DM from someone who says that they
are close with the priest whowas privately working.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Charlie, charlie through rcia so there's a good
chance.
Yeah, let me ask you something.
So someone that's going throughthat like is that, is that what
we would say baptism of desire?
Right, like that's, that's whatwe would consider about, like
somebody who's who's seeking it,but they just haven't completed
the the because he's baptizedalready.
(16:17):
He was already baptized.
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
No baptism, but A confirmation of desire.
Well, yeah, if he's alreadygoing through RCIA, he's
committed himself to alreadygoing under the auspices of Rome
, which means he was alreadyCatholic.
I mean, you don't Just because,look, if you're baptized you're
a Christian period.
That's, that's the way it works, going through RCIA, coming
(16:43):
from a Protestant backgroundinto a Catholic, into the
Catholic fold.
Once you make that commitmentto go through RCIA and you've
made that ascent of ofconversion, even without having
going through the formalities ofit, you're already in the faith
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Now the um, the thing is like.
I you know, I know everybodysays like I didn't agree with
everything.
Charlie said yes, of course, butum, there was something about
charlie sometimes, so it's likea silly thing to have to say,
but, yeah, obviously, like Idon't agree with everything.
Michael thinks um, but the um,there was something genuine
(17:24):
about charlie.
That was like he just seemed.
He just seemed genuine and andwhat he was doing and he just
seemed like a good man.
And every single story youheard from anybody who knew him
in in their real life justthey're heartbroken, like the
people who actually knew him areheartbroken because he was.
He was a genuinely good man, agood Christian, and it's just
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one of those things where Ithink everybody that's normal
because you're seeing thereaction from people on the
other side and it's just beyondevil and anybody that's normal
is looking at this and the firstthing they think is those poor
children like his wife andchildren were at the event when
this happened and it's just, youknow those kids are gonna have
to wake, wake, like one daythey're going to see that video
(18:10):
and I don't know.
I mean the whole thing is justreally, really.
I think it's, I think it's just, I think it's galvanized the
nation where something's goingto change at this point, and the
conversation around right andleft, I think, is silly.
At this point too, we'redealing with a group of people
who are just completely out oftheir minds.
This isn't normal left versusright discourse right discourse.
(18:38):
I'm also not even sure whatstories to believe from the
media about what they're like,about this being a a trans
shooter, things like that.
I don't know what to believe.
Everything is just so such fogright now.
Everything is so fog of war atthis point that it's like
they're going to feed youstories to get you mad at a
certain person to help theirnarrative.
But I just don't.
I'm so cynical at this point.
(18:59):
I don't trust anything theytell us anymore.
And I don't know because yousee it's a shot from 200 yards
away.
Look pretty pretty much like ithad a precision hit then.
But then I'll hear somebodylike Rob say it wasn't.
I don't.
I don't know what to believe onthis.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I'm not a I'm not a sniper shot so and you wouldn't?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
give me four hours with you and you can make that
shot.
Yep, yeah, a 200 yard shot witha scope.
Uh, which 30-06?
With 30-06, it's, it's, and,and you're talking about.
You're not trying to hit asmall bullseye like this, you're
trying to hit a mass you know,getting center mass you're?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
they're probably actually aiming for his chest,
yeah so a rifle like that it'lllook to be a pretty inexpensive
30-06 they usually have like anaccuracy and like an inherent
accuracy of a gun is measured inwhat's called minutes of angle,
moa and what that is.
It basically at 100 yards, oneminute of angle is equal to one
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inch.
So it means that even if thatgun doesn't move and fires at
the exact same spot five timesin a row, there's going to be a
one-inch spot, you know aone-inch circle that it could
land in right.
Yeah, a cheap gun, a cheap, youknow bolt-action gun like that
(20:20):
you're looking two, three, maybe, worst case, four MOA.
So let's say it's a two MOA gunat 200 yards.
A two MOA gun means it's goingto be two inches at 100.
It's four inches at 200 thenit's four inches 200 then.
And that, if you slow down thevideo, that bullet actually
(20:41):
strikes the upper part of anarmor plate that he was wearing
and it looks like.
Obviously I don't know for sure, but from the way it ricocheted
it looked like it was a steel.
You think he had a bulletproofvest on or something he most
definitely did Really yeah soyou see it hit here and then it
ricochets up into his neck.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh really, Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
If it hit here and it was a 2-MOE gun at 200 yards,
that's a 4-inch circle heprobably was aiming center mass,
right at his heart, which evena low-power scope at 200 yards
you see very clearly.
So it just means that a cheapbolt gun yeah, you know that
bullet landed in that four inchcircle which was in the upper
(21:25):
part and if it was?
A cheap steel steel armor plate.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Without the anti-spawing technology it
ricocheted right up into hisneck the crazy part is people
talking about gun control likethis was a bolt action rifle,
like there's no gun laws thatthey'd ever create that are
going to prevent somebody fromgetting a rifle like that every
household outside of your bigcities has at least one gun.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Exactly like, exactly like this isn't.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
It wasn't an ar, wasn't a handgun, this is a
rifle, is a hunting rifle,essentially.
So there's like the peopletrying to make this about gun
laws.
It's just such a silly thingand this shouldn't be about that
anyway.
It's.
It's just a cruel evil act thatwas committed.
Now we don't know who committedit.
(22:11):
I just know I don't trustanything I get from the news or
the government at this point,like I just don't believe
anything they say.
So I don't know.
Michael, you posted a statementby Bishop Burbage Bishop
Michael Burbage, that youthought was pretty good, which
is good to see from a bishop,right, like, typically they run
(22:32):
with the gun violence thing, butthis bishop seems to actually
have his finger on the pulse ofwhat's going on.
So, as americans, we arewitnesses in just the past few
weeks to a vicious pattern ofpolitical and social disorder at
annunciation catholic parish inminnesota, minneapolis the
killings of harper and fletcher,two innocent children.
In charlotte, the murder of theukrainian refugee irina
(22:55):
zarutska, and now politicalassassination of charlie k,
known for his commitment tocivil and rational discourse.
We entrust each of thesevictims to God, our Heavenly
Father and author of every humanlife, and His Son, jesus Christ
, the reason for oursupernatural hope.
What we see unfolding in ournation is a vicious pattern of
hatred rooted in the rejectionof God, of the dignity of the
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human person and the sanctity ofthe family.
We can eradicate these illsonly through a firm reliance on
God, through a deeper devotionto Christ and the gospel,
through a sincere love forpersons reflected in law and
through a renewed commitment tojustice and public order.
We're living through a perilousmoment.
Our challenge is not only oneof partisan disagreement, law
and policy, but in in a deeperway, our challenge is to uphold
(23:37):
the central goods of americanpolitical life, of faith, of
families and of nationalcommitment to live together in
harmony as brothers and sisters.
Nothing about gun violence,nothing political, just.
We are living through somethingright now where this is good
verse evil and our culture andour society is just ripping
apart at the seams and it's somuch to do with the evil that
(24:00):
has been unleashed on the worldand this has a very big part to
do with the church.
I'm sorry, like I'm not goingto say it's back into, but it's
kind of the the whole malaise ofthe hierarchy in general not
preaching about sin, not talkingto people about the reality of
hell that has just crept intothe entire world, it seems, and
(24:22):
once the church stops actuallypreaching the truth, we've just
left these souls to live in thisfilth and man.
Evil just seems like it'sgrowing rapidly at this point
and it just seems unstoppable,and the things that are coming
down the pike don't seem likethey're going to be better.
(24:43):
Everybody looking for apolitical solution.
Man, I don't think I've everbeen more blackpilled on
politics.
At this point, there's nopolitician you're voting in to
fix this, nothing.
It is a return to Christ or weare going to witness the
collapse of the entirecivilization that we know so I I
will.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I will say this it's both end.
Um, it's both end because, inin the one sense, we we've
gotten to the point where wecan't rely on our political
leaders to to do what they'resupposed to do.
We can't rely on our lawenforcement communities to
maintain order in a disorderedsociety.
You just can't.
So there is that spiritualelement that must be engaged.
(25:26):
We've got to do penance.
Our lady said that if you don'tdo penance, if you don't do the
first five Saturdays, if youdon't wear your brown scapular,
if you don't pray the rosarydaily, if you don't engage in
the practice of the faith, asshe requested, well then the
consequences are going to beworldwide spread of communism.
(25:47):
Yeah, okay, that's what we'reup against.
So there is that element.
We have to engage the spiritualto.
We have to engage the spiritual.
However, I will say that wealso have to push for certain
things within civil society toget a grip on the rampant
insanity that has taken hold ofevery facet of our, of our
(26:10):
culture.
And I don't want to read to youwhat I posted on on um.
Um, cause I, I wrote this.
I was as soon as Charlie died,uh, actually, as soon as he was
shot, I went and I grabbed arosary.
I immediately started prayingmy rosary and I just went for a
walk and when I got back, youknow, I was hearing reports that
(26:30):
he was already dead but, um,nothing official was coming out.
It didn't come out for severalhours later, but it was.
It was pretty clear to me thatthere, that he just wasn't going
to survive, um, so I wasruminating on things, I was just
thinking about it, I was, and Iwas looking at some of the
reactions and some of the thingsthat people were saying were
(26:52):
starting to irritate me, becausethey were saying well, we've
got to make sure that we're not.
You know, this is the problemon both sides.
There's just too much, too muchharsh rhetoric.
People are just saying meanthings because that's what's
going to cause problems.
And it's like look, stop, stop,because all of the violence is
(27:13):
coming from one side.
And as I was thinking about it,I just started typing.
I pulled out my phone.
I was walking around mybackyard, I just started typing.
I'm going to read to you what Iwrote, because I posted it on X
the other day.
I said the time has come.
There can be no civil discoursewith the progressive left.
Their entire position is builton a foundation of envy, and the
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only language they speak israge, and the outcome will only
ever be violence and death.
The progressive left can'tstand to see others succeed, so
they demand to take from thosewho do.
The progressive left hates thefact that others have good and
beautiful things, so they teardown whatever they can.
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The progressive left despisesinnocence, so they seek to
poison the minds and souls ofchildren.
The progressive left loathesGod and the faith he gave us, so
they do whatever they can totwist and suppress it.
The progressive left abhorsfamilies, so they push to break
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them up.
The progressive left hasnothing but derision for true
patriotism, so they fomentrevolution.
There is nothing theprogressive left won't do to get
what it wants or to destroywhat it can't have, and they
will burn down their own homesjust to spite anyone who crosses
them.
The progressive left is acriminal, terrorist Marxist
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movement and it is time that theideologies behind it be made
illegal.
The ideology of Sodom, meaninganything tantamount to
homosexuality, transgenderism,queer or other, must be made
illegal.
The ideology of Moloch, meaningthe push for abortion,
euthanasia, human sterility,must be made illegal.
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The ideology of Marx andAlinsky, meaning the envious
socialism that demands taxstructures to redistribute
wealth, must be made illegal.
All that is associated with theprogressive left is filled with
satanic hatred and rage, and itmust be purged from our country
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if our civilization is tosurvive.
So what I'm saying here is thatyou can't dialogue with
somebody who thinks that theonly way to win an argument is
for you to die, and that'sexactly what the progressive
while I agree with every singlething you said there, this is
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not a simple question of of theprogressive left, and it's not
there is.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
There is something so dark and evil afoot here.
So when you look at theukrainian girl, that wasn't a
political thing.
That guy is just demonicallythere was a member of the
progressive left.
I'm sure, I'm sure, but this isso much more than just liberal
Republican.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It's just so much deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
There is such a yeah, but I don't.
I'm not disagreeing with you atall.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I just let me explain why, though because philosophy
matters.
Philosophy matters.
Everything about theprogressive left is predicated
on envy, everything.
So what they do is they turn topeople who are oppressed or
underpaid, or they have anideology that's slightly
different, or they want to havelicense to commit certain kinds
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of sins, and so what they do isthey go to those people and they
say you know what?
That person gets away with this?
Yeah, that person has that, or,and they, they put the, they
plant those seeds of envy inthose people, and that envy
grows like an evil weed in themind.
Yeah, and so that, what does itdo?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
it fuels rage, necessarily what do you guys
think of this?
Because, uh, austin said, well,I, I don't know what he means
by 85, I'm not sure what hemeans, I don't know if he's just
, maybe he thinks we'retraditional I'm not really sure,
but we are traditional.
Um, I disagree, yeah, obviously, but I disagree with 85 of what
you guys say regarding theology.
But simply, now it is, it isthis question us or them?
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So, um, they might beprotestant, they could be
protestant, right, that's,that's absolutely true.
So, um, yeah, there issomething.
Um, you know, we just watched,we just watched what happened in
minneapolis.
Those, um, catholic schoolchildren.
We just saw charlie kirk gothrough this.
Charlie kirk was a well-knownProtestant, these kids were
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Catholic.
Like, there is a level where,when, when, what is the Peter
Kreeft quote?
Something about, like, whenbrothers are, when somebody is
at war, brother, like arefighting brothers reconcile.
When, when there's, you know,when there's an outside problem
by fighting brothers reconcile.
I don't know the exact quote butwhen there's an outside problem
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fighting brothers reconcile Idon't know the exact quote.
When there's a maniac at thedoor, fighting brothers will
reconcile.
Yeah, and there's a degree towhich it's not just Catholicism
they're going after.
They are going after anybodywho professes Jesus Christ, and
I do think that there's.
I'm not saying we should do aecumenical outreach, but there
is a degree to which it is usversus them, the people who
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don't have any any of the lightof Christ in their lives, versus
people who actually have somekind of a moral compass because
they have Jesus Christ in theirlives.
Yeah, yeah, like anyone whoeven follows the natural law,
they hate right Feuding brothersreconcile when there's an enemy
at the gate.
Thank you, rob.
I'm rob.
Yeah, you know, um, um, yeah,and charlie kirk was such a
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pivotal, uh aspect of gettingelected.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Why is charlie kirk the target?
because charlie kirk kirk wastalking about the natural law
yeah because he was arguing frompoints from there's something
called uh, it's, it's anindisputable truth, it's a a
self-evident truth.
If I say this is my finger,it's a self-evident truth, I
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don't have to prove it to you, Idon't have to go through a
large logical argument to proveit to you.
It's self-evident.
I can say this is my finger andit's a self-defining statement,
so there is no steps to provingit.
Charlie Kirk was takingself-evident truths and and and
explaining self-evident truthsto people who couldn't embrace a
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self-evident reason.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I have no rational mind.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Right.
There's no rational argument.
They rejected their own biology, which means they did violence
to their own nature.
And if you do violence tonature, what you're doing is
creating such a wound, such avisceral wound in the self that
it has to have a violentexplosion.
It's like splitting the atom.
You've done violence to violentexplosion.
It's.
It's like splitting the atom.
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You've done violence to thenature of an atom.
If you split the atom, well,what do you think is going to
happen psychologically andinteriorly and spiritually to
somebody if you split them fromtheir biological reality?
It's.
It's going to be an explosivefourth force greater than the
atom bomb well, to also likereiterate what you were saying,
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Rob.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
why don't you bring up the Ilhan Omar clip Like this
is because she's not even likeone of the psychos over on
TikTok who are like cheering onCharlie's.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
She is a psycho she is she's on?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
She's on.
Who is she talking to?
I don't know who that guy is, Iforget, like Hassan Piker or
something she's talking to, Ithink.
But just look at how theyrationalize this.
It's insane that they willactually say he brought this
upon himself because of thingshe said.
To Michael's point all he didwas say things that are just
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naturally evident for anybodywith a rational mind.
They consider this bringingthis upon himself.
Oh, mehdi Hassan, I thought itwas Hassan Faker.
They're all the same man, Samedifference.
Pop that video up.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
What I do know for sure is that Charlie was someone
who once said guns save livesafter a school shooting.
Charlie was someone who waswilling to debate and downplay
the death of George Floyd in thehands of Minneapolis police.
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I think he called him a scumbagRight have no regard to
downplay slavery and what blackpeople have gone through in this
country by saying Juneteenthshould never exist.
And I think you know there area lot of people who are out
there talking about him, justwanting to have a civil debate.
A complete rewriting of history.
(36:03):
Yeah, there is nothing moremessed up, you know than to
completely pretend that you know.
Uh, then then to completelypretend that you know, his words
and actions, um have not beenrecorded and and and in
existence um for for the lastdecade or so yeah, you can turn
this off.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I mean, you guys, you guys get the point.
It's like this is whatmichael's talking about.
Like these people, they don'tsee a father who lost his life.
They see someone who goesagainst their ideology, brought
this upon themselves because thethings Charlie said are so bad
that he deserved it.
Like that's essentially whatthey're saying.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
It's beyond reprehensible yeah, it's, it's,
it's.
It's extremely upsetting andinfuriating to see the kinds of
visceral reactions that peopleare having, um, and, and almost
the celebratory and andself-laudatory tones that
they're taking.
It's, it's, uh, it's disgusting, but it's also part and parcel
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for that entire movement.
These people trade inSchadenfreude.
They live in in an well, it's,it's, it's a prideful disdain
for anything good, true andbeautiful.
And Charlie he was.
He was not an aggressive or aum or an imposing or an
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aggressive or a um or animposing or or even a, a snarky
figure.
He, he didn't use snark orsarcasm at all.
He spoke truth in charity.
He was all always only lovingto the people.
That I mean.
If, even when people weregetting in his face and yelling
at him and cutting him off andsaying terrible things to him,
he responded with the kindestand most charitable things I'd
ever heard from a debate, fromsomebody debating these matters,
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you know, and and he would havebeen justified to say something
nasty or awful back to them, hewould have been justified and
he never did.
And and I I mean I reallyadmire him, for I think that
it's incredibly laudable and itwas a virtue and what he was
expressing was true Christiancharity.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Do you guys know?
If this is true, Hold on.
Today Lofton has been attackingCharlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Oh, I hope not.
I mean, I don't know.
I did see people like.
I mean, lofton is Whatever, hemight be right on the Israel
question, but I don't care,that's not.
And Charlie was coming aroundon that.
Yeah, charlie was coming around.
On that, anthony and Rob shouldstart considering wearing vests
.
It's interesting because likeI'm not big into suits, but not
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even that like we're he's in acharlie kirk is a different
stratosphere, right, but youdidn't make a decision today
which one?
oh okay, like the, he's in atotally different realm than us,
right, but he's in the samefield as us in some way.
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And rob, rob made the point.
Like anthony, you never knowwhat loony you're gonna trigger
with your tweets.
Even like that's the pointwe're at and in in time right
now, where you could because Ido provoke people charlie didn't
seem to do.
That is the point Michael wasmaking.
Charlie did seem to try and goout in a gesture of goodwill and
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have conversations about thesethings.
He changed tons of people'sminds, especially young people.
He got so many people to changetheir minds.
No-transcript college campusanymore because everybody's at
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rest.
And that's part of what theywere trying to accomplish with
this is terrorize everybody fromeven engaging on college
campuses, where the minds arethe most malleable to hear the
truth.
Because kids, when they're atthat age group, that's when you
actually want to confront them,which is why the leftists are
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always trying to take overschools.
So what?
What they like, what charliewas doing, even with stephen
crowder did with the change yourmind stuff, all of that stuff
had such a huge effect on theculture.
It's what got gen z men toswitch from being liberal to
conservative, I think, and Ithink part of whatever this
whole thing was is an attempt toscare people off from
continuing on that road andhelping young men come out of
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the rut of leftism that theygrew up on in public schools.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, um, I think that, uh, as, as we look at the
situation, we start consideringwhat people are saying and the
kinds of anger that was directedat Charlie Kirk and still
continues to be directed at him.
It was, it was an irrationalanger and what they were angry
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about is the fact that he wascausing them pain, because the
truth, it's the truth.
If you think of a lie as abroken bone, okay, let's say
every lie you tell breaks a bonein your body, and when you have
to double down on a lie or youmake the lie even worse, you're
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bending yourself even out ofinto a worse shape.
You're harming yourself in waysthat you can't even imagine.
Now, imagine that the remedyfor that lie is the truth, and
the truth's told in charity.
Not not just a nasty truth and aflippant truth, but you're
telling the truth, you'reexplaining the truth and what?
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What you're doing is you'reresetting that wound, you're
taking that bone and you'reputting it back into its proper
place.
And what the?
What the patient is doing isthe?
The patient is screaming ouchand he's pointing a finger at
you, saying you hurt me, youcaused me pain, and that's where
that visceral reaction towardscharlie kirk is coming from.
They are upset that he issetting their pain back into the
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forefront of their mind.
And now they're.
They're blaming him for thepain that they're in, when what
he was doing was actuallyhelping to heal them.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You want to know what's interesting, man, I saw
two things today.
Rob texted me, we texted ourgroup chat and he said I feel
kind of awful about some of thethings we criticized Charlie for
in the past, right, but now weme, like the review we did of
his talk with knolls, like Idon't even remember what I said
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but it wasn't charitable, atleast right.
So so yeah, you, you, you hadfelt some guilt about that, and
I saw a lot of the groiperscoming out today and saying as
much like I saw one kid say.
I feel awful about the thingsthey said about charlie.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Today I realized I'm an awful person, right did you
see a few under that tweetthough?
No the you know the account,awesome jew.
Yeah.
They replied with likesomething like I realized that
too, I'm gonna work to be uhbetter or something.
Then, uh, they're like are yougoing to be less anti-semitic
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now?
Speaker 4 (43:36):
that person goes no more actually they tried for a
tweet.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
But there's an interesting thing that's
actually happening in in this,in that somebody, um, somebody
who was very critical of Charlie, then sees this happen and it's
almost like a shock to theirconscience, right.
And there's a moment ofreflection and all of a sudden
they realized, oh man, I like, Ilike, I need to go to the
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confession, confessional, right.
Sometimes events like this, asawful as they are and I'm not
saying this is a silver lining,even but they can reveal our own
hearts in some ways, right, Iwatched secular libertarian Dave
Smith's take on this andCharlotte and he said an almost
just as Catholic, as this showtalked about satanic people.
Normies are starting to wake up, yeah, I think so.
Dave's not an atheist.
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Dave has come around tobelieving in God.
I know that I'd like to get himon one day.
He's just so hard to get him.
But, like even him, he was kindof he's buddies with Charlie,
right, and Dave is sometimes atthese public events, so for him
to see something like thishappen to his friend, he has to
be thinking, man, this couldhave just as easily have
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happened to me, like this couldjust as easily have happened to
any one of the people in thepublic sphere that are going to
these, you know, large scaleevents.
This guy was hidden on a roof200 yards away and fired the
shadow off.
I don't care how good yoursecurity is, sometimes they're
going to miss something likethat, right, but the the?
Speaker 4 (45:04):
and just to point, just to point to that out, you
know a lot of people are saying,oh, maybe this was an inside
job, maybe they're.
You know, you saw the handsignals from the guy with a
white hat and the hand signalsfrom the guy in the black shirt
and look, stop, stop.
Charlie kirk was not apolitician.
He didn't have a secret servicedetail.
He didn't have, uh, heavy dutypersonal guard protection.
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He had, yeah, he had abodyguard and and the guy in the
black shirt, I'm pretty sure,was one of his bodyguards.
I don't think he was givinghand signals to to a shooter.
But, you know, instead of oftrying to look for the
conspiracy theory which is veryeasy to do, especially given our
day and age, but instead ofgiving into conspiracy theories,
let's just look at the factsand be very matter fact about it
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.
There was a shooter.
That shooter was on a roof.
There was not a security detail.
That was going around sweepingevery single nook and cranny of
that particular campus to tryand find different angles by
which somebody could get on aroof and fire a shot.
That just wasn't going tohappen.
That's not the kind ofpersonality that Charlie Kirk
was.
He wasn't a politician.
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He wasn't even an A-list actoror something like that, who does
hire big security teams to dostuff like this.
He was a political commentatorand activist, and we have to put
this into perspective and saythis is not a situation where we
would look for inside jobs andsecurity details that help this
happen.
That that's not.
(46:32):
That's not this yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Well, first of all, nobody's gonna be counted to
silence.
Everybody's still gonna speak.
But you will re-examine how yougo about doing public events, I
don't care what anybody says.
Like all these guys who dothese public events are going to
re-evaluate their security,their security, they just ben
shapiro just canceled a bunch ofhis, his uh yeah, speaking and
he said he's going to do themagain.
(46:54):
But it's just right.
You have to reevaluate how youdo security in these things, the
um, the.
The other thing is, uh, with,with, when it comes to, like,
seeing the conspiracy, I'm, I'mgoing to tell you I, I don't
know what this was.
I'm probably not going to trustwhat they tell me it was.
I don't know what it is.
It's like I'm not, I'm notgoing to say it's facade.
(47:16):
You know what I mean, but Ialso just don't.
I just don't trust anything andI don't know if there is some
grand scale.
I don't know what, the.
I don't know what the playwould be in in this regard,
other than to rile up sectarianviolence, right, just other than
to just cause more, to escalatethe tensions in our country, to
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cause more mayhem with it,because the best way to conquer
someone is to divide, like adivide and conquer strategy
works very well when you'relooking to take down a nation.
Speaker 5 (47:48):
Yeah, that's canceled that for sure.
Now, guys, yeah, that'scanceled that for sure now guys?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
um, yeah, I I did like seeing that some people
were starting to do a littleself-reflection and maybe we
have to think about how we talkabout people in general online,
like.
Like, maybe we have toreevaluate how we, how we have
any conversations, because, man,people are nuts these days.
What did taffy say?
Uh, there was an individualafter the shooting with his
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pants down, reportedly yellingI'd do it again which created a
distraction and enabled theshooter to evade police.
Fact that issue.
Yeah, there's a lot of strangethings.
This doesn't doesn'tnecessarily mean like this,
could the lone gunman man.
It had an eerily similar vibeto the trump thing, sure?
Speaker 4 (48:31):
and it just did.
Let's take that for just asecond.
I want to explain when, when westart looking at this, we can't
just look at it in um, in oneor two dimensional space, we
have to look at it in fourdimensional space.
Okay, there is an element tothis that is spiritual and we
don't know how much of this is acoordinated human activity.
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Or is there something of ahigher nature going on here that
is taking care of things behindthe scenes?
And I want to tell you a littlestory that kind of puts this
into perspective.
I'll tell you two stories,actually One my former boss when
I was at American Life League.
His name was Jim Sedlak.
Please pray for him.
He died of a heart attack anumber of years ago.
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Jim was the founder of StopPlanned Parenthood.
He was the number one enemy toPlanned Parenthood and he would
annually go to PlannedParenthood's major conventions,
wherever they were held.
He would go there and he wouldjust hang out in the lobby and
be a presence.
You know people would sneer athim and stuff like that, but
he'd pick up pamphlets and stufflike that and just kind of go
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about business that way.
Well, he told me about this onePlanned Parenthood convention
that he went to.
He said that as he was goinginto the hotel room there was a
group of people that were kindof gathered in a circle and they
were all just kind of chantingthis weird chant and he thought
it was really odd.
He got a weird sense about themand he went up to his hotel
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room and he looked down and hesaw them all in a circle and
they were rising up.
They were doing this chant,them all in a circle, and they
were rising up.
They were doing this chant, andthen they let out a yell and
when they did the chant was over.
Now he said there were you know100, maybe 200 people just kind
of milling about in thecourtyard, just wherever near
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nearby the hotel.
But as soon as they finishedtheir chant, all of a sudden
everybody in that area went nuts, they went absolutely bonkers
and they started rioting,tossing things over.
They just went crazy.
There's a spiritual element tothis.
There's another story I'll tellyou.
One of my college professorswas driving home from adoration
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one evening and he came to afour way stop.
This is at like two in themorning.
There's no one on the road to afour-way stop.
This is at like two in themorning.
There's no one on the road.
He comes to a stop and he'sjust continuing to pray on his
way back from adoration.
He's just praying mentally.
And as he's at this four-waystop, another car approaches and
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it's at the four-way stop andthey're facing each other.
They're waiting for the lightsto turn green and before the
light turns green, green, thewindow of the other car rolls
down and he just yells right in.
My college professor shut up,shut up.
How would they know that he waspraying?
How would they know he was evenspeaking?
So you start looking atsituations.
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This guy who pulled his pantsdown said I'd do it again.
I'd do it again.
We don't know if there is ademonic influence involved in
this.
So rather than taking aspeculating circumstances.
We have to look through this andsay the only way that we
correlation is not causation, soyou have to wait for the
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evidence to come in to say thatthere was a connection.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, yeah, look, there's a.
I mean any.
Anybody who's prayed atabortion clinics will tell you
how crazy people get wheneverthey're faced with Christ.
I mean, they just these peopleare demonically possessed or
oppressed and, whether theyrecognize it or not, that's a
visceral reaction that there was.
There's even, I think there wasa video of them doing a
Eucharistic procession throughNew York and, like you'd have, a
lot of people would drop totheir knees and make the sign of
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the cross and then some peoplewould just react vilely.
You know they, just beingaround the Eucharist would make
them, you know, completely losecontrol.
Things like that.
Um, I, I think I want to goover to locals and I think we're
going to open up the the streamyard again and allow people to
come on.
Michael, you all right withhearing from some of the some of
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the listeners?
And, yeah, sure.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
One more thing that I want to say before our our
YouTube audience has to go go tobed.
I also wrote this on socialmedia because I was talking
about the problem of look,charlie kirk was all into the
discourse, he was all into thedialogue, he wanted to have that
conversation.
He was helping peopleone-on-one and this is
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absolutely essential.
But there comes a point whereyou have to look at the people
of a particular philosophicaloutlook and you realize that
there is no dialogue to be had.
And what I wrote is this I saiddebate and discourse require
people of goodwill, but youcannot debate with somebody who
has no sanity to reason, with nohumanity to appeal to, and who
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only wants to kill, destroy andtake.
That is the radical left andthat is what we're up against
agreed um somebody's saying thisis too important.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
Keep it on youtube.
No, it's too important.
Go pay for a local subscription.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Tired of you guys not paying also, if we keep it on
youtube, there's a better chancewe're going to get someone to
just wants to troll.
We're not going to do that, somaybe we'll post it in a day or
two on youtube so people canwatch.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
But no, you have to be a locals member no, what I
would like to do is like,especially some of you younger
guys, if you guys you know ifthis affected you in a certain
way, you want to share it.
I know I know a lot of peoplejust kind of want to just
express their sorrow, thingslike that.
If you guys have any questions,if you guys want to come on and
ask advice, we've got Michaelon the block tonight so Michael
can maybe help some guys out ifthey have any advice they need
(54:16):
anything like that.
But I do kind of I likebringing the local supporters on
and giving them a chance tocome and meet their pals and
hear from them a little bit.
So I think we might start doingthat a little more often.
We're not going to just do likefull advice shows, but maybe
when we go over to locals we'llstart letting you guys pop on.
So if you guys aren't localsubscribers, please join us over
there.
Speaker 5 (54:36):
That is where we have all the fun and if you're in
the live chat now, I pinned thedirect link to the local show in
the live chat, so so um,michael, anything to promote.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
You got anything coming up or you have anything
you want to yes, um, we've beengoing after the association of
us catholic priests big time,especially since we put out the
video showing uh the the thatthere were priests at that
conference.
They were talking about sexualself-abuse um, you, you know
what I mean by that I'm using aeuphemism and they were calling
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it a prayer very blasphemously.
It was just awful.
Well, we know that the USConference of Catholic Bishops
is partnering with the AUSCP ona particular project.
We have a report on that comingout tonight.
My researcher is puttingtogether the article now.
We're going to be sending apress release on it tomorrow
morning.
That report will be coming outtomorrow morning and we'll be
(55:32):
circulating it around as much aswe can.
On top of that, I haveadditional information from the
auscp's meeting in june thatties directly into all of this
trans insanity that we've beendealing with for the last couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yeah, and we and we need our hierarchy to actually
start addressing this issue forwhat it is Like.
I'm so tired of this JamesMartin approach to this issue.
The only way to actually getthem to address it is for people
like Michael to keep puttingthis public pressure on them.
So thank you for everything youdo, Michael.
All right, guys, we're going towrap this up.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
We're going to head them.
So thank you for everything youdo, michael.
All right, guys, we're gonnawrap this up.
We're gonna head over.
Uh, you need to get michaelback on soon for a non-sad
episode so you guys can use thefunny intro that we have not
been able to use twice.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Now we will play it on locals.
How about that no?
Man, okay, all right it's allright, you guys gotta wait.
Yeah, it's interesting becauseyou came off of the minneapolis
shooting as well, so the lasttwo episodes you came on.
We couldn't do an intro, afunny intro video, but I mean we
have Michael on all the time.
He's like our best friend, sowe'll get him on again soon,
(56:40):
don't worry guys.
Um, all right, we'll see youguys on the other side, rob,
take us out, brother uh oh wait,oh wait.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
so Thank you.
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