July 18, 2025 • 63 mins
When evangelical leader Charlie Kirk declared "the antidote to feminism is our Lady," Catholics across social media took notice. His surprising admission that "we as Protestants and Evangelicals under-venerate Mary" has sparked intense conversation about whether the prominent conservative commentator might be on a path toward Rome.
The statement represents a significant theological shift for Kirk, who went on to praise Mary as "a phenomenal example and a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era." While careful not to overstate what's happening, we examine this moment through a Catholic lens, exploring how devotion to Mary has historically led many Protestant thinkers toward Catholic teaching. Reports that Kirk has been attending weekday Mass with his wife add an intriguing dimension to the discussion.
We also revisit Michael Knowles' earlier conversation with Kirk about Catholicism, analyzing the challenges of interfaith dialogue when trying to balance friendship with proclamation of Catholic truth. This leads us to reflect on our own deep devotion to Our Lady and why Mary holds such transformative power in drawing people to the fullness of faith. As one of us admits, "I'm a mama's boy when it comes to Our Lady"—a sentiment that resonates with many converts who found their way to Catholicism through growing appreciation for the Mother of God.
Whether Kirk's comments represent genuine theological exploration or merely an attempt to connect with his Catholic audience remains to be seen. But history suggests that once someone begins to soften their heart toward Mary, a deeper journey often follows. Join us for this fascinating analysis of a potentially pivotal moment in contemporary Christian dialogue.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, taffy, taffy, if you're watching right now,
did you do something to make Antlook as black as that?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
or was that just natural?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Because you made the comment about us being the heel
like you said you were, like youknow me, me and ant have
basically like we are the heelsin the catholic world, like it
would just become like theadversaries of everybody.
I gotta be honest, I'm like Iwoke up the other day and I
hadn't slept all week.
I had um like three consecutivedays where I got like less than
(01:30):
three hours, yeah, and soyesterday was I only got three
hours of sleep again and I wokeup at like two in the morning.
I was just like thinking aboutall the freaking garbage going
on and like thinking about likethe comments people were leaving
on our video and like likepeople accusing us of uh, like
like people saying shame on youfor, like for discussing someone
(01:57):
else's sins and I'm like, sowait, you're shaming me for
shaming him.
Like you're doing the thing.
You're like like you'repointing out my sin of pointing
out his did you see um wagner'stweet kind of on that lines.
He goes detraction is so bad,you must run out and tell
(02:18):
everyone about someone else'sdetraction but it's true, it's
like, it's like they can pointour sin out, but like, if we you
know I'm debating if we shoulddo this conversation on um, uh,
yeah, I think we should do thaton locals, because I have like
this, this whole.
I kind of have this like wholeuh thing about like what, what
(02:40):
it is, because I saw a clip thatfrad put out with a priest
about like sexual sins and likewhy they're so different, and I
have like a a real and I don'tthink anything they said in the
clip was wrong.
I just don't think it went farenough.
So, but maybe we'll I mean,we'll see how this show goes,
but that we're not going tostart with that.
Um, yes, I am indeed a sinner,but especially like I don't I
(03:06):
will say this the people thatwere like defending him and
saying you shouldn't be talkingabout this, like the whole thing
of this coming out from whatRob and I are hearing behind the
scenes.
He's going to take some time.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
For those.
Okay, we did this bad lastepisode.
We are disgusting.
We are discussing the the uhvoice of reason scandal.
For those of you who don't know, there, he is a online
apologist who has allegedly donesome very bad things,
potentially allegedly even withminors anyways.
(03:42):
So that's what we're discussing, and we're discussing how the
video we made about him, whichinitially did not have him in
the title it did not evenspecify him in a in a thumbnail
um, I thought, was literally ascharitable charitable as we
could have been about it yeah,and I came on just assuming
everybody knew what we weregoing to talk about.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So I, just I, we started making inside jokes and
like I, and then, finally, whydon't we tell everyone who we're
talking about?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
well, the only reason we even we changed the title
and thumbnail to specify him isbecause people were not
understanding we were talkingabout him yeah, so oh.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Plus, we dropped the ball with a thumbnail and Wagner
it was a.
It was a split stream betweenour channel and Wagner's and his
views got double hours, andthat never have our channels
bigger than his.
Rob dropped the ball with thethumbnail.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm just saying no, no, no, no.
The first thumbnail I made wasgold but I said it was too far.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Um, the but from what rob and I are hearing behind
the scenes is that he's going totake some time in a monastery
and like there's really nobetter outcome you could ask for
, and people that actually careabout his soul should be happy.
And the thing that led to thatwas the public shaming that
happened because his originalstatement um, his original
(05:07):
statement came out where he wasgoing to just deny, deny, deny,
threaten lawsuits that were tobe fair.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
He only denied one specific claim right, but he?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
but it was a carefully worded denial that
made it seem like he was denyingeverything, but he was really
only denying one specific claimand then owning up to fessing up
, to being a sinner, generalizedsinner, which, but?
While threatening lawsuits toanyone who talked about it,
right?
So like that, the intention ofthat statement was to get
everybody to shut up.
Don't talk about this.
And I'm like and and rob and Iwere talking about it.
(05:37):
I'm just like this is aridiculous idea that he's going
to sue anybody.
Like.
It's just, especially if any ofit's true like if any of it's
true truth is an absolutedefense in defamation cases yeah
, it's like so, and then hisphone would end up being
submitted for discovery and thenwe would see, like, if there's
truth to this stuff, you're thengoing to see every single girl
(05:59):
he did this.
There's no way this guy openedhim up and opened himself up to
that, so what?
But what wound up happening?
This is true, yes, that he isnow going for a period of
penance at a monastery, and it'slike you hope for something
like that, like the end goal isnot that we want to shame him
(06:19):
for life.
The end goal is you want tobring him back into communion
with the church, restore hisrelationship with Christ and
have him be a faithful Catholic.
He has to find a newopportunity offline.
Yeah, he has to find I mean,look, he's Mexican, go, you know
, do construction Roofing.
I mean, yeah, I don't know whatroofing is, but roofing would
work.
Sorry, Rob, oh you Minnesotansand your roofing.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm sorry, I didn't get that scenario right.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Oh, you say scenario, you got to be kidding me, but
we're not going to do thistonight.
I do have a thing I want to getto, but I think we'll do that.
On Locals, we're also.
Rob is a little critical of theway I handled the life site
story I said we didn't have totalk about it.
No, it's okay.
Like the, I think what peoplelike is that you and I don't
(07:11):
agree on everything, and he likeand the thing is, I don't, we
don't even necessarily disagree.
It's more like, uh, like we'vekind of seen it from different
areas, like he, he's seeing thething and I'm seeing yeah but I
have to be extra critical of youso that your mother hates me
more well, my mom is.
My mom is very upset with you.
She goes you know everything.
(07:33):
You say rob, just kind of justtrashes.
I'm like it's a bit, don'tworry about it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's just a bit bob, don't worry, he's just, it's
kind of a thing we do if wetouch on the guitar thing by the
end of this episode, both yourparents are gonna hate me, yeah
oh man, did you?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
uh, okay, so I had.
So, guys, if you're, if you'renew to the show, if you're here
for the lead story, just skipabout.
We take a few minutes.
Like, just learn to like dealwith us for a few minutes we
will get to the Charlie Kirkthing I was going to say.
I was going to say pick fruiton a farm, because that's all we
(08:15):
ever hear from people.
It's like who's going to pickyour fruit on a farm if we
deport all the Mexicans?
I'm sorry, guys.
We have a little bit ofirreverent humor because there's
a lot of new people watchingthe show like and they're not
happy with us unhinged I'm thehinge of this show so, um, okay.
(08:37):
so I went to dinner at myparents last night and my dad's
really harping on that oneepisode.
He caught the one episode he'sever seen, not even a whole
episode, he's like a segment,like a portion of it, where we
were talking about boomers andguitar masses.
My dad played the guitar at thechurch for years, like my
(08:58):
parents went to Medjugorje inthe late 80s, early 90s, and the
show is Anthony Bates base.
Yeah, yeah, sure you're new.
so my my parents went tomedjugorje in the late 80s,
early 90s.
They came back.
My dad had like a wildconversion, um, and he, like my
(09:19):
dad, my dad's played the guitarhis entire life and he then
played music for the church fora good 10.
I mean, what year did I move to?
What year did I move to?
Uh, smith, I mean it had to be.
It had to be like five or tenyears.
My dad was like part of themusic ministry, you know, um,
and then he, yeah, the musicministry.
(09:40):
So then when we were talkingabout guitar masses and stuff,
my dad like kind of went off onme and he's like you know, it's
not the instrument, because mydad loves the freaking guitar.
He's like it's not theinstrument, it's the type of
music.
So I'm afraid to actually playit because we'll probably get a
copyright right If we do 20seconds of it, do like 15
(10:03):
seconds of it.
Let me see if I can find yourtweet.
I got the tweet so I'll send itto the thing.
So for anybody that did not seethis today, oh wrong one For
anybody that didn't see thistoday.
So my dad's like, just listento this, and this I mean his
tweet kind of blew up today.
(10:23):
So the tweet was last week.
My dad caught an episode whereRob and I criticized guitars at
mass.
Last night I had dinner withhim and he insisted it's not the
guitar but the type of music.
He made me watch this.
But we still disagreed and Iasked can guitars be appropriate
for mass If the music is notcheesy?
and this is what he played forme I will say this it is a very
(10:58):
beautiful rendition of our of uhave maria yeah, but even
there's, there's a even.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
There's a couple reasons why even this shouldn't
be in a Mass.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Right.
Well, the thing is what he'sdoing there.
Playing that in a churchoutside of the setting of the
Mass is totally appropriate, oh,yeah.
Outside of the Outside of theMass in that church, the
acoustics of the church.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
In the sanctuary with Christ.
There Is that where he was IOutside of the mass in that
church the acoustics of thechurch.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
In the sanctuary with Christ there Is that where he
was.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I didn't notice.
Yeah, I'm willing to say okay,but I mean, it depends.
Is it a concert?
You know?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah Well, all I'm saying is it's a beautiful
rendition and that guy's aclassical guitarist, it's not
like he's a rock guitarist.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Have you ever met anyone in any sort of church
music ministry that can playguitar like that?
My dad maybe.
Okay, that's pretty, my dad'spretty good.
Dude saying that casey watches,yeah, it's pretty good though.
Um, but say that was in mass,like even without the idea of
it's a guitar, it's just without, without words, it's just yeah
it's just, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Even at that point he and I still disagreed, but I I
don't know why he can't, he hewas taking it so personally,
like I was like knocking, I'mlike, I'm like I'm not knocking
the guitar guitar's a beautifulinstrument.
I love listening to you play.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I'm gonna piss off all the boomers again, like we
tend to do.
What is it with that generation, with taking everything so
personally?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I don't know man like when someone comments something
about millennials I'm likeyou're probably right but when
you're like you know but I justdon't get it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Why is everything?
Why?
Why is everything's in a town?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
of them personally.
Molly says the other day shegoes, I don't care what people
say anything about millennials.
I said, because you're Gen X,of course you don't care.
I did see you say that she's amillennial.
I was just teasing, yeah.
So it was an interestingconversation with my dad but I
kind of just was like no, that's.
I mean that's beautiful and Imean I wouldn't prefer, I would
(13:08):
prefer it not be in the settingof the mass.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
but obviously that's much more beautiful than, uh,
you know right, I mean it'sobjectively better than the my
little pony, you know.
Yeah, yeah, one of thoserenditions.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So it is what it is, all right.
So we will now get to the lead.
Before we do.
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So all right.
So let's get to the uh title,the, the lead story.
Um, charlie kirk made a commenttoday or we saw it online today
where he said the antidote tofeminism is our lady.
(15:22):
And it was, uh, I mean, it'sstill very evangelical
protestant d, but I thought itwas an and it was.
I mean, it's still veryevangelical Protestant-y, but I
thought it was an interestingconversation, it was an
interesting segment that hespoke about and Rob brought up
he goes, you know, I bet,because we kind of trashed
Knowles a little bit.
We were critical, yeah, yeah, Ididn't trash him, but we were
critical of Knowles in hisconversation with Charlie Kirk
(15:44):
because we didn't trash him, butwe were critical of knolls in
his conversation with charliekirk because, um, we didn't
think.
I didn't think, uh, no, no, Ithink you were too.
We were both critical.
We didn't think, no, I think Iwas more critical than you yeah,
probably because you're, you'remean, yeah, um and we just
thought knolls could have pusheda little harder and he was like
too concerned with charlie'sfeelings and not thinking about
(16:05):
like the broader argument at thetime.
So but let's play it, and thenwe'll play a clip from um, from
the Knowles Kirk thing.
That's kind of relevant Um.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
But let me first say I think we as Protestants and
Evangelicals under-venerate Mary.
She was very important.
She was a vessel for our Lordand Savior.
I think that we, asEvangelicals and Protestants,
we've over-corrected.
We don't talk about Mary enough, we don't venerate her enough.
Mary was clearly important toearly Christians.
(16:38):
There's something there.
In fact, I believe one of theways that we fix toxic feminism
in America is Mary is thesolution.
Have more young ladies, bepious, be reverent, to be full
of faith, slow to anger, slow towords at times.
(16:58):
Mary is a phenomenal exampleand, I think, a counter to so
much of the toxicity of feminismin the modern era now, oh whoa,
I never know what's gonna comeup from.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I, I cut it off , but I okay.
So a couple things.
I I don't want to overplay thisand be like oh, charlie kirk,
like it look yeah he still suckshe still sucks.
He's still like we asevangelicals of uber correctness
.
I don't want to like she's a.
She was a vessel yeah, like Idon't want to overstate what
actually happened here, but um,it's.
(17:34):
It's kind of like the slipperyslope once somebody starts going
in that direction.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right mary is the slippery slope to catholic.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, dude, once you start softening your heart to
our lady, she kind of comesthrough with a two by four and
next thing you know you're onyour knees worshiping her.
It is what it is, guys.
I don't know what to tell youthat's gonna be clipped by.
Uh, I don't care I have noqualms telling protestants I
worship mary, like I, it's true,I worship her.
I don't care, it's not.
(18:01):
I mean catholics, clearlyworship her with latria.
But yeah, but like I, I Iworship her and love her in the
same way I worship and love mywife, like, like I have said,
simp yeah, I bet quote that Ihave said, um, like it when it
(18:23):
comes to like, filial love, likeI love our lady as much as
jesus.
Like I don't, like it would like.
Asking me to pick which one Ilove more would be like asking
me which child I love more.
Like it's not I have I have.
Like I understand christ is mysavior and redeemer and that and
I get that.
But on a filial piety level Ihave such a devotion to Our Lady
(18:47):
and such a love for Her Icouldn't say I love Her less
than Jesus.
I don't.
I love them both the same.
Yeah, I'm a mama's boy when itcomes to Our Lady.
Yeah, I'm a.
Yeah, I'm a mama's boy when itcomes to our lady.
Um, it's one of those thingswhere I think, even like, if
somebody blasphemed anddisrespected christ in front of
(19:07):
me depending on the context, Imight tolerate it where, if
somebody disrespected our ladyin front of me, I might knock
their teeth out well, it dependslike someone who's gonna
disrespect.
Christ is probably I've I've hadpeople say gd in front of me.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I've had people okay, okay, well, in front of me,
right I've had people disrespectour lord in front of me.
It's a little different than anelder, one of the elder
brothers saying he's uh burning,yeah very.
That's why I said contextdependent.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I look, I was at a party one time, um, and I had my
children there, and my friend'swife started saying GD in front
of my children and I just wentlook, I'm like it's like one of
those things where, like, mykids are around, like it's a
very easy one to not say like Idon't care, if you drop the F
(19:55):
word in front of my kids they'llhear something like that.
But please don't take the words.
They're a Nutella family, theyhear that I mean, come on, and
she freaking lost it, don't.
Who are you dude?
It was like evil came out inher.
Like who are?
you to tell me what I can andcan't say in my house.
And you know what it's niceseeing you guys.
I'm out of here.
I took my kids and I left andit was.
(20:16):
It was awkward, it was veryawkward, but I was like I'm not
going to sit here while you'retaking the lord's name in vain
in front of my children.
And now you're, now you'reangry at me because I asked you
not to do it like it was like a,like a.
It was a really awkward moment.
I said let me just take my kidsand get the hell out of you.
Nicole wasn't with me, um, butand uh, it's.
It's interesting because I'veseen them since then.
(20:39):
I never, never got an apology,nothing.
The husband apologized to me,but the wife never did.
But if somebody disrespectedour lady like there was somebody
passing a picture of a brokenBlessed Mother statue a while
ago, like passing that around onTwitter and I said if somebody
ever did this intentionally infront of me.
I would punch them in the face.
(21:00):
If you broke a statue of didthis intentionally in front of
me, like I would.
I would punch them in the faceIf you broke a statue of our
lady intentionally in front ofme, like we are now fighting,
there is no chance.
I would like there is no chance, we're not fighting if you did
that in front of me.
So I don't know.
It's one of those things now.
So I do think before yeah, so Idon't want to overplay what
charlie kirk is doing, but it isone of those things where you
(21:23):
see kind of every protestantthat that that kind of just
softens their heart to our lady.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Our lady has a way of well, uh, taylor marshall, his
conversion started when hestarted praying the rosary,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
oh well, if you saw, I mean, if you get to the point
where you're praying the rosary,but also, uh, somebody that's
why I sent my my uh black monkrosary to uh lore lodge guy did
you.
That's a good idea, becausethat's a.
That's a.
If you guys don't know, becauseI know he likes the templars
sent that.
You know he's blessed andeverything sent that to him if
(22:01):
you guys don't have a black monkrosary, they are.
You've never had a rosary likethis, like when I got mine.
Even even rob's gonna show youright now this is my other one.
Okay, that looks like plastic.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They're steel well, so the crusader one I had was
steel.
This is stone.
So I mean you could beatsomeone to death with one.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'm not saying you should, but you could, yeah,
like the thing weighs like agood four pounds, like a solid,
like four or five pounds I triedcarrying in my pocket a few
days.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I'm like, this is not really a serious rose.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
it's the most serious rosary I've ever had, but, um,
it's yeah.
So if a Protestant startspraying the rosary, they're
already there.
Like there's no such thing aslike a Protestant that prays the
rosary and doesn't end upCatholic, you just you can't.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's not possible, yeah agreed.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
But somebody, even in the comments and I had seen a
few people said it today in mythread where I posted the
Charlie Kirk thing that somepeople live locally to him and
he's been going to daily massyes, and when we say that we
don't necessarily mean everylike daily, but he's been going
to weekday masses yeah.
But wait, where is it?
(23:18):
Somebody said.
So apparently his wife, I think,is oh, here it is.
Charlie kirk's wife has beenattending catholic mass
regularly and he has been seenwith her multiple times in
recent months.
This is in arizona now.
Look, the prayers of a faithfulwife can have a very heavy
effect on the on the heart of aman wait, did you just say his
wife is catholic?
(23:39):
I don't know if she's catholic.
She's attending catholic massthough.
Oh, his wife is attendingcatholic mass, so maybe his
wife's heart is softening to itand it's going to end up.
Uh, you know, it just might beone of those things so let's
hammer peterson first.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
If you had to put money on it I say kirk first.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think so I think peterson's too stubborn
intellectual pride.
Yeah, I think peterson's toostubborn and prideful, I would
say.
But there's also an elementwhere you hope Kirk isn't just
playing to the audience becausehe knows he has a large Catholic
audience, but I mean he's alsorisking offending his Protestant
audience.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
He thinks he's saying it gently, but I saw the
Protestant comments underneathit.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
How could he?
Even Rome thinks that Mary is agod, like the nonsense that
they say.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I don't think they realize like I have a feeling
those type of responses is whatpermanently lost.
What's his name, cameronBertuzzi, to them.
Oh yeah, you know, I think theyjust end up like pushing them
away as soon as they see thatthere might be some sort of draw
(24:48):
to catholicism in them.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, yeah it's like but dude.
Those are such low iq arguments, though, like when people like
you guys worship me.
It's the dumbest.
It's like dude you don't like.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Those are the dumb.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
First off, there is pagan catholicism going on and
we are going to talk about that.
That is there is.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I should have shown up in a yeti costume there is
well no, I'm not even talkingabout that.
I know, but that would havebeen funny not even talking
about that, that's.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's just weird nonsense.
We will talk about that alittle bit, but like there is, I
think, kind of alex marado waspagan catholic, oh yeah, like I
think that was pagan.
A thousand charlie apologizingto vince if you're listening.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
We're so sorry for table of plenty on eagle's wings
bring that man to a latin mass.
Nobody let him go to the novusordo first anthony says if they
have a guitar in the musicministry you cannot attend okay,
um, oh my god, grover, shut up.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Are you guys reacting ?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
to drama.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
These days, you guys even prepare for this show no,
since when have we ever grover?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
you either?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
come on as a guest with your.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I want grover's face on screen or we're not going to
highlight his comments anymoredid we want to play the knolls
yeah, so let's do that.
Let's do the knolls clip,because I thought, because rob
had said to me he goes I wonderif there was anything
interesting in the knollsconversation, where where they
talk about mary and there was.
So it's only a short.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's only a short segment that I pulled, but it's
like it's like a two-minute clip, but there was something
interesting in it I will prefacethis by saying it's still not
how I would ever talk to someoneyou know, even if they are a
friend about it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But but, I don't know let's play it.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Let's play it and then we'll critique it this is
something, charlie, that youknow we mackerel snappers we get
, we don't need to, we don'tneed to, you know, reinvent the
wheel.
Every year, we got two thousandyears of people who are much
smarter than you and I who havethought this um, okay.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
So somebody in the audience had asked him michael,
how can I help spread, spreadlove for the Eucharist?
So that was the question andMichael kind of went off and he
was like, oh wow, this is likean amazing question.
I thought you were going to askme, how do you start a podcast?
And I was going to tell you,don't, he's like, but the great
thing about being Catholic isyou don't actually have to do
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anything on your own, you canjust reach into the tradition.
And that's where he picks up.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Instead of debating these questions.
So if you just bring that, ifyou convey that I'm trying to
sell Charlie on this right now Iknow I'm answering you, but I'm
really speaking to Charlie.
If you just do that, that's allyou're doing.
You're just telling the story.
You're telling the greateststory ever told and you have the
deposit of faith and you havethe magisterium behind you as a
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hermeneutic of interpretation.
But just do that, you know, anddo that in sincerity and do
that with the best of youreffort and I think it'll be
wonderful.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
As an evangelical who loves Catholics, I love that
you're doing it, but let me just, let me just edit.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Here's the but.
Here's the but.
It's a big one.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
You didn't catch it, michael.
Here's the.
It's a big one.
You didn't catch it, michael,is that?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
your goal should be to bring people to jesus not
catholicism.
No hold on.
What's the difference, what'sthe I?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
don't think.
What's the hold on, hold on.
I'm not saying that they'recontradictory, but your goal
should not to be to bring peopleto a specific sect of
christianity.
It is to bring people to thespecific sect of Christianity.
It is to bring people to thecross.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You're saying to bring people to the fullness of
the truth and the universalfaith.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yes, but not the maxims of every Catholic dogma.
No, I mean.
For example, am I a Christianif I don't believe in Mariology?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Well, we're talking about the fullness of the truth.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You know what I'm talking about, but you still
have the truth.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But you still look, our main criticism of Knowles in
this was that he was tooconcerned with Charlie and
offending Charlie, yeah, and notenough.
Concerned with presenting theCatholic faith for the larger
audience Right, but maybe whathe was doing was the right thing
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to do, because he was caringfor the soul in front of him,
somebody he knows and caresabout, and he's like I know I
can handle this one right.
And then, through charlie'sconversion, the, the audience
can yeah yeah, it's like.
It's like because noel's.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No, I still wouldn't answer any of my friends the way
he answered Of course not.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You know he's in a tricky spot.
Listen to me I we could all saywhat we would do right.
You don't say what we would do,but when we had Lorelai John
and he was spouting some of theridiculous things he was like
all right.
I pushed him more than you did.
I'm just saying like it's hardto not maintain Like they
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weren't setting up for a fight,like Charlie was a jerk in that
conversation.
He kind of looked foolish.
You have two completelydifferent temperaments, though.
Yeah, we do so, like in thatconversation though, charlie was
like kind of badgering Michaeland the thing is, in the larger
perspective of that conversation, michael came off looking
gentle, insane, and charlie cameoff looking like an idiot.
(30:07):
You know like, because Iremember going through that
conversation to be like charlieyou're just making a fool of
yourself right now but michaelwas focused on his friend
charlie, like he really was andhe was and he didn't lie.
So, like when charlie said, ifI don't believe in mariology, am
I still a christian?
Michael was like whoa, you knowwe're talking about the
(30:29):
fullness here.
So, all right, I'm gonna saythis maybe I was a little too
harsh on knolls and if I was, Iapologize.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Uh, unless he never invites you on the show, then
you should have been hard right.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No, if charlie kirk never converts to michael you on
the show, then you should havebeen hard, right?
No, if charlie kirk neverconversed and michael, you were
a dummy and you should have wentharder, that's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But if we see a charlie kirk conversion, I'll
give you a retroactive apology,and that's how it's gonna work
why is it we always see, likethe gregorius, friendly sicilian
from michael knows and neverthe angry fire spitting Sicilian
from Michael you get.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, I think you guys are variety.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Why is he never gone to someone?
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's gay, yeah, like I kind of I try to give you guys
the variety, like I give youguys the friendly, like you know
, the jolly.
Everybody get along Italian,and then I kind of I do that
fire spitting italian thing too.
Um, yeah, I don't know, I don'tknow it's you know, I think, uh
(31:27):
, I think you know what else I'mworried about, though, like
when I do those like I don'twant it to be, is catholic,
right?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
uh, did you see jack posobic posting like, if he's
not practicing like I know hisbrother, kevin, definitely is?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
no, jack posobic is a yeah, he's catholic, he's, oh,
it's not.
Just I believe he goes to latinmass.
Well, he's had martial on andyeah, no, I I.
The thing is, those guys willlike politics comes before their
religion, I think yeah, I agree.
(32:00):
Uh, like those guys, the likethis, this, the bannons and the
posobics, and like I like jackposobic, but like their politics
comes before, they're really inmy opinion.
I mean, I don't know theirhearts, but it seems that way.
It seems like they'll publicly,they publicly, they'll
criticize leo.
They would never criticizetrump, it's.
I'm okay with you criticizingLeo, but like, criticize Trump,
(32:22):
like I mean like criticize Trump.
I'm just saying like, butthey're, I like Posobiec too.
I'm not saying I don't likePosobiec, I'm saying I want to
see consistency.
It's like if you see somethingwrong, you can criticize it, but
be consistent.
Like, don't just be like aMagatard where it's just like
well, I just go along withwhatever, whatever, whatever
trump does, I gotta be on theteam, you know like, if that's
(32:43):
the case, then you should be onthe team, no matter what, with
catholicism too I mean, say whatyou want about leo, comparisons
of francis, whatever, whatnot,of him and trump.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There's only one of the two that I think might be in
the epstein files.
That's true, and it's not leoyeah, it's definitely not leo.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Um, yeah, I mean trump.
We don't have to do a trumpepisode, but we're gonna do a
trump episode next thursday whennick comes.
Yeah, we'll save that for nick.
Yeah, nick's.
Nick's coming back on nextthursday apparently he's got
some big news.
We don't know what it is yetyeah, he won't tell us his bum,
like he won't even give us asneak even when I asked like
don't we get enough?
(33:20):
yeah, he's like oh, I got somegood news.
He's like I can, I can tell youguys, next week we're like do
we, do we have to wait?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
he's like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I'm like we're your friends do we have to like to me
and to me and rob have to wait,like you tell us first come on
no, not fuentes, fuentes,fuentes wants nothing to do with
us.
That's not a bad point.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Nick won't tell because Ant will spoil it.
I almost considered textingNick.
I'm like, if you don't feelcomfortable telling Ant, you can
at least tell me.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I would probably blow his spot.
You know what If it wasn'tsuper secret.
It depends, it depends, dependsthe level of secrecy.
I will say this I'm glad youdidn't tell me, I'm glad you
told majority not to show methose text messages I.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I gotta admit, though , I'm not perfect, so someone
sent me.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Never mind, no one else will get the story rob, rob
, the, the text messages, thevoice of reason, text messages.
Rob was like look, he gave me,like the, the idea of what was
happening.
He goes and he's like but likeyou gotta see this, I said, and
he's like, I can't send you thetext message.
I was like you know what, don'tsend them to me because and I'm
glad he didn't, because if Ihad read those I would have, I
(34:37):
would.
It would have been too hard for, like, I would have been seet,
you would have went on a rant inthe middle of an episode.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I'm at a loss, Like this freaking pervert.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
He's still going out on youth retreats.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'd be texting Majorian, you got to release it
now.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Might have been one of those situations.
I'm also concerned with theangry sicilian thing becoming a
bit you're like I only want todo that when I'm genuinely angry
, like I don't want to just doit because people find you've
only ever really done it.
Twice it was, and then um I didvoice a reason before, before
(35:16):
this most recent time, like thewhen he went on janko yeah, you
kind of lost it, it was.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Whatever you said about him was very different
than when you said what you saidabout Loft and the Wands and
then what you said about EricMcCabe.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I don't think I got that angry at Eric McCabe, I was
just disappointed.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
But everything's better now.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, everything is better.
And interestingly he came outwith an episode saying how we
saved his soul, and I think wesaved voice of reason soul too.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I'm not going to go back.
I think and I don't.
I'm not I'm not.
I'm not saying that as in, likeI don't think he's going to
repent or anything.
I just mean like I'm not goingto take any credit for it, I
think yeah, you're going to takecredit, he will.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I'm not saying I'm taking credit, I down the line
he will credit us someone clipthis.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
We need this as a prediction, in case it happens
I'll make your prediction.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Down the line, he will say they contributed to
saving my soul.
I'm just making the prediction,that's all it doesn't surprise
anyone.
Guys, I'm goofing around, it'sjust for the bit.
(36:35):
It's just look I struggle with.
Here's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
No matter what happens with voice of reason, he
is gonna hate our guts forever.
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You know, who else hates us is pipe cottage.
Pipe cottage didn't just leavea comment on our video, he left
a comment on joe mclean's video.
So I called into joe mclean'sshow the other morning to
discuss the situation, and pipecottage left the same comment on
joe mclean's video that he didon ours.
I love watching this channel.
Why?
To see your reactions fromanthony
(37:13):
okay, so I was actually speakingwith um steve uh skojek and so
steve skojek had a uh, he wrotea sub stack the other day.
He wrote a sub stack the otherday of uh, oh, my gosh, taffy.
Yeah, steve Skojec wrote a substack the other day.
(37:34):
I mean, this kind of goes withthe life side stuff.
But just discussing like thething with it wasn't actually
life side, it was Stephen Coxwrote an article critical of
Pope Leo with the votive massfor creation yeah, and it when
(37:55):
you actually read the articlelike it was a votive mass.
It wasn't like the way stephencox framed.
It sounded like they made a newright, like an amazonian right
for creation or one of like two,three, four dozen different
votive masses you can see.
Yeah, it's literally just likeand it wasn't about climate
(38:16):
change or anything like that, itwas like just being good
stewards of the earth, literallylike just conservation.
There's nothing wrong with likecaring about conservation as a
Catholic.
There's just not Like youshould actually care about your
local environment very much.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Like if it had come out a hundred years ago.
No big deal, but because, welive in such a weird politically
charged age andenvironmentalism for some reason
automatically gets put on theleft hand side of things by
people.
They think that there wasnothing there was nothing about
carbon footprints.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
It was nothing like that.
It was just about like care forthe, care for creation and care
for your local, whatever.
So Steve was just like likeremembering when he ran one
Peter five, just how, like theoutrage machine, right, just
like you would I say like waytoo much guys.
I'm sorry, I like when I goback please like subscribe
(39:10):
everyone.
When I go back and listen tomyself, all I hear is like it
freaking drives me nuts.
I'm like holy cow, how do Ikeep saying it?
So I'm gonna try not to um theoutrage machine where he would
go through things and just lookfor things to get upset about,
(39:31):
because that is actually whatdrives clicks and people feed on
negativity and outrage.
Right, and I I messaged him andI said I just I just read your
sub stack.
I said rob and I have actuallybeen talking about this lately
and we're getting away fromdiscussing leo and what, what's
(39:54):
going on in the church and stuff, and going more towards
something like we did tonightwith charlie kirk.
Right, like we're going to findinteresting things on the
internet that we think we couldbring a catholic perspective to
and we're going to, you know,play a video clip and then hope
it leads to a conversation.
We're going to get away fromchurch drama specifically.
I mean, look, if somethinghappens in Catholic Inc, we're
(40:17):
going to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, but the end of Francis was a nice reset, kind
of it was.
I don't know.
It does make you look at thingsfrom a different perspective.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
It's just that you're not waking up every day to see
something francis said to pissyou off.
Right, it's like, look, like Isaid, I think leo's a bit of a
boring pope, but maybe we need aboring pope.
You know, I don't think he'sgonna save the church, but he's
also not like adding fuel to analready toxic environment.
You look, he says mass facingad orientum the other day, and
(40:52):
little gestures like thatactually do matter, especially
when this bishop is thinkingabout banning Ad Orientum In
Castel Gandolfo.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Francis avoided that place like the plague for 12
years Like what's his name?
Cale just sent us an articlefrom Mark, from Catholic,
Unscripted, actually no itwasn't from them, it was from an
italian, um an italian sitethat basically said like the
error of uh fake pauperism, uh,you know, fake, uh, fake poverty
(41:25):
fake poverty is over, yeah,pretending you're poor and we
can't go to castel, gondolfo andI can't, you know, I have to
live, live in the, in the, inthe, I can't, I can't live, you
know, in the papal palaceanymore.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I have to, because you know it's faux poverty, it's
virtue, signaling falsehumility, and it was like a
relief, like that period is done.
So, but what I said, what Isaid to Steve, was um, what I
said to Steve was I, I never gotinto podcasting because I
(42:00):
wanted to be a critic of thechurch.
That's not why I got into itLike my.
My actual reason I got into itis because I always wanted to do
radio Like.
I always wanted to do radio I,I, I.
I was a very big talk radio guywhen I was younger and I always
wanted to do radio Like Ialways wanted to do radio I, I,
I was a very big talk radio guywhen I was younger and I always
thought I could do it.
And the video element makes iteven more fun for me.
(42:22):
I really do enjoy being able toplay a clip and then comment on
it.
So to me I don't care.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Video.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Here you go.
I don't like being alone onvideo.
I, I, I, it is, it was it's.
It is really strange doingthose stupid videos from the
truck because half the time it's105 degrees and I'm drenched in
sweat and I have to put thecamera on and like I haven't
shaved and I look terrible andI'm just like, all right, I'm
going to do a stupid video fromthe truck and I'm like I don't
(42:50):
want to look at the camera whileI do.
It's a really awkward thing,but the reason I got it yeah,
this is like paul that that isthe inspiration for it um,
listening to them.
And so I still want tointerview anthony cumia.
But you know, if you drinkevery time, I say like you guys
will be crocs before the firsthour is over yeah, we can't
(43:12):
promote.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We can't promote sin like can't promote drunkenness.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Um the yeah, the reason I got into this was
because I thought I could doradio and I I our show.
Rob and I have been veryspecific in telling people we
are not an apostolate, we're nota ministry, we're not any of
that, we're an entertainmentshow.
That's it.
We're just two friends that aredoing an entertainment show.
We find interesting things totalk about.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's kind of just like it's a lot easier for for
Anthony and I to justify to ourconversations with each other's
to our wives when we make alittle bit of money from it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I also don't want to sell.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Jesus want to sell jesus, right like I don't want
to sell my catholic faith either.
I'm being, I don't, I don'tever want to.
Then there's, then there's thatum, that drive to to put on an
air of catholic holiness right,if that's what you're selling
this, and then you need to havemore of it to sell more of it
look, the thing is you can tuneinto this show.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
You'll never hear cursing.
You'll never hear unless timgordon's on.
You'll never hear blasphemy,you'll never hear.
You'll never hear like um smutor anything like that.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So you know you will hear women jokes, especially
about drivers.
You'll hear jokes about well,anthony will do chinese priest
impressions.
Um, we don't bring up nativeamericans anymore for a very
strong reason we do the amishtalk over on locals.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
But I think our humor is still appropriate as
catholics like?
I don't think it's.
I think I think we tow a veryfine line.
Sometimes we may push it alittle bit, but I don't think
it's like too far gone whereit's, it's edgy for us for like
political, but yeah, forCatholicism.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I think it is fine, I think, I think, I think, except
maybe the pigeon Bible that'son that line.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Dude, that was one of the funniest episodes we've
ever done.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh, it's so funny, but it is, robert, you don't
know what.
The pigeon.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Bible is Robert.
Just look up Hawaiian pigeonBible and you'll find our video
On our channel.
Video on our channel.
Just google search that onYouTube.
You'll find our video.
There's nobody else that everdid it.
You've had to apologize foryour language.
Rob has a potty mouth.
Somebody said I took the Lord'sname in vain the other day.
(45:28):
I guess I said oh my, I triedto say oh my, my gosh I think
you did want.
I think it was just accidental.
But I don't ever say thatunless it's a total accident.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I make a point to say oh my gosh, I think you might
have actually been quotingsomeone and you just didn't
realize it.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, it wasn't like I was just throwing it out there
.
All right, michael, I was justthrowing it out there, but all
right, so we can.
Yeah, michael, maybe you knowmore than we do about the
Charlie Kirk situation, let'shope you do.
All right, so we also have.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Let's see what else did we have on this channel or
on this side.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
For this side, because we do have stuff for
local.
Honestly, I don't have worktomorrow.
Rob's in for a long one.
Locals is going to be a fulllocal show, but I have a lot of
thoughts about things that Idon't want to discuss.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I didn't want this.
Oh, you know, if you want to doanother 15 minutes here just to
round up the hour, we couldtalk about the guy I thought was
your co-worker.
Yeah, um, I think we should dothe.
The idiot at the coldplayconcert, though you don't want
to save that for your old stuffon sexual sins and the next on
locals.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
No, it'll be a good good way to segue into it and we
only have 14 minutes, so Ithink it'll be a good way to
segue into it?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
have we really done this show long enough to where
we look substantially differentthan we did at the beginning?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
so okay.
So yeah, listen.
If you guys have never seenthat video, uh, it's my second
video I ever did when you weresolo.
Still, I was.
I was solo.
It was a pre-recorded video.
Um, it's one of it's.
It's one of my favorite thingsto discuss is the typology in
the book of.
It's really the book of Matthew, but it's the typology between
(47:20):
the story of Jonah and the bookof Matthew, when the Pharisees
say give us a sign, and Jesussays this generation will only
get the sign of Jonah, and it'sa really interesting parallel
between the book of Jonah andwhat Jesus is talking about in
Matthew there.
So if you've never seen it, Imean you've got to go way back.
(47:41):
My teeth are not fixed yet.
It's a pretty wild show.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
But if you want to go back to that same time period
and watch a really funny show, Iremastered the audio on one
where anthony makes uh marriagetalks about uh, marriage advice
yes that was my second wait.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
My first video was covid.
My second video was marriageadvice.
My third video was was the, andI think it was like christmas
parades.
It was titled like christmasparades.
Well, yeah, because that guy.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That guy ran his car into the.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Christmas parade.
So teeth not fixed?
Yeah, so if you go back?
So I had a chipped tooth, myfront tooth was chipped.
Wait, where is that?
I got the wrong one.
My front tooth was chipped whenI first started the show and I
probably would have left ituntil I saw my face on camera
and I was like I cannot, thereis no way.
(48:37):
Like when you see somebodythat's bad teeth on camera, I
was like there's no way, I don'tcare.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Vanities, vanities, yes, vanities.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
I took a loan out of my annuity to pay for my teeth.
That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Betty wishes he waited for the boat engine to
crap out.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Oh my gosh, oh man, oh man.
I could have took a loan for myannuity for that instead of my
teeth.
That's so stupid still payingthese stupid teeth off I got
like a year left on payments formy stupid teeth.
I think it was worth it, thoughmy wife likes my smile better,
(49:18):
so that's enough.
Oh god, I'm simping again.
Yeah, um so, uh, all right soalso you also just took the
lord's name.
Goodness, I can't.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I'm sorry, guys, I apologize, you will never get a
polished, uh unrealistic view ofus guys we are what you see,
yeah, tooth usually.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Well, robert, the thing is, I'm paying.
I'm paying the interest tomyself, though.
That's why I took the annuityloan, because the annuity loan,
you're paying yourself worsethan the tooth fairy.
You're paying yourself theinterest.
So if you take a loan from yourannuity, you are paying a four
percent interest, but you pay itto yourself like you're paying
(50:09):
it to your own annuity.
So it's not I.
That's why I did it that way.
Thank you, mr c.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I said gosh so now we're simping for anthony.
Really I said gosh, come on Isaid gosh, everybody's
scandalized.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Um, yeah, I'm guys.
I hope I didn't say I got onafans in here.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Um all right, so no, I probably shouldn't show paul's
all right, let's do.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Let's do this idiot at the uh coldplay concert I'm
sure you guys also anybody's ontwitter, you saw this today.
It was every other tweet.
Was this idiot, but I thoughthis statement was interesting.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
No, not the fake one on twitter.
Right there was a fakestatement, but I his Not the
fake one.
On Twitter there was a fakestatement, but I have his real
statement.
The fake one was funny though.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I saw his real statement, which is so nuts.
His real statement was almostworse than the fake one.
The fake one's actually kind offunny.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Okay, I got the video For anybody that hasn't seen it
.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
This is pretty wild.
So this is at a Coldplayconcert and the Kiss Cam comes
up, which is bad enough, rightthere.
Yeah, the Kiss Cam comes up,yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Oh, look at these two .
That's the moment.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
All right, Uh-oh what .
Either they're having an affairor they're just very shy.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh my God, I have a question, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Can you believe these two morons?
First off, I'm not saying heshould have done this, but like
if they would have just stoodthere, like they would have got
away with it.
They would have got away ifthey just played it out, like
(51:57):
just they would just kepttalking.
But as soon as he saw his dumbface on camera hugging her, he
would, because the shame, theshame, shame.
That's what it is.
The shame hit right and theaudio is actually hilarious
because the lead singer ofcoldplay is like they're either
having an affair or they're veryshy and it turns out.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
You know, you know it was an affair.
The second you see what Iassume to be the co-worker
standing right next to them withthat face and so what's crazy
is okay.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
So new uh astron astronomer CEO caught on camera
with his HR chief.
So she's the human relationschief who's supposed to be
making sure there's noinappropriate relationships at
work.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
As someone in HR, this does not surprise me, no.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Rob's got a funny HR story from work on the locals.
We'll do it on locals.
Can't do it here.
We'll do it on locals.
I'll bring it here on locals.
I'll bring it up.
I'll remind you, don't worry oh, I don't know if I can do it on
locals even hey, they're notlocals.
All right, maybe not all right.
So astronomer ceo caught oncamera with his hr chief during
a coldplay concert in boston.
The pair was seen rushing tocover their faces in horror when
(53:07):
they realized they were on thebig screen.
Oh what?
Either they're having an affairor they're very shy, said uh,
cold plays chris martin.
According to the hr chief'slinkedin, she has trust with
employees of all levels from.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Someone's wife's water just broke right now and
they're on the way to theirhospital.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
So everyone say a couple prayers for christian,
his wife and their child uh, ifthat's the christian I know
christian's blind and I don'tknow who's driving the other
christian I know just gotmarried on saturday, so probably
well, if this is the christianI know christian is blind.
I don't know who's driving hiswife to the hospital right now.
I hope it's not her, because ifshe her broke and she's driving
(53:49):
to the hospital, that's a roughone.
A woman I mean never mind Right.
A woman driving and in laborthat never made me get there.
Prayers for you guys, Christian.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
If he's blind, it might still be best for him to
drive Christian don't crush itto the wind.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Get behind the wheel.
Don't let that woman drive youto the hospital.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Let the Holy Spirit guide you, sir.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Oh okay, woman driving to the hospital, let the
holy spirit guide you, sir.
Oh okay, he's not the blind one, just a man.
You don't know me.
Okay, we have a.
We have a fan, christian, who'sblind.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
So many baby.
Who else is having a babytonight?
Speaker 3 (54:25):
riley says so many babies tonight so, um, according
to hr chief's linkedin, she hastrust with employees of all
levels, from ceos to managers toassistants.
Now, um, they're both married.
Sure she has the ceo's trust?
Yeah, well, that's the irony ofit, right, so, um?
So now the ceo put out astatement and he says I want to
(54:50):
acknowledge the moment that'sbeen circulating online and the
disappointment it's caused.
What was supposed to be a nightof music and joy turned into a
deeply personal mistake playingout on a very public stage.
I want to sincerely apologizeto my wife, my family and the
team at astronomer.
You deserve better for me as apartner, as a father and as a
leader.
This is not who I want to be orhow I want to represent the
(55:13):
company I helped build.
I'm taking time to reflect, totake accountability and to
figure out the next steps,personally and professionally.
I ask for privacy as I navigatethis process.
Now, if he had just left itthere?
I mean, if he had just left itthere.
This is why, look, you guysthink I'm joking.
You guys think I'm joking.
You guys think I'm joking.
(55:33):
I don't think you're joking.
I think you're delusional.
I need to start avoidingBabylon public relations crisis
management, because I will tellyou people how to handle these
things, because if you wouldhave just left it there, you
would have been fine, just leaveit there.
But he has to throw his littlequip in at the end to completely
(55:55):
negate everything he just said,which was.
I also want to express howtroubling it is that what should
have been a private momentbecame public without my you
were in public you idiot.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
How stupid can you be ?
You were, were in public.
It's by definition not private.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Oh man, how okay.
So I want to express howtroubling it is that what I,
what should have been a privatemoment, became a public without
my consent.
I respect artists andentertainers, but I hope we can
all think more deeply about theimpact of turning someone else's
life into a spectacle.
As a friend once saying, lightswill guide you home and ignite
(56:36):
your bones, and I will try tofix you, andy.
I don't know what the hell thatwas that.
Oh, is that andy from buzz,lightyear or something?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
what no?
Speaker 3 (56:45):
his name is andy brian oh, I thought it was like
a buzz I imagine that's a quotefrom.
Coldplay oh, maybe I need tohave a PR firm.
Look, if I had a PR firm,lifesite would have came out of
this, where LifeSite would havehad a brand new mission, and
(57:06):
they'd have been fine, johnHenry.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
West also.
It really was just theiroriginal mission.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
Regardless, they both would have came out John Henry
West and got out a nice solocareer.
Lifesite News would have beendoing their thing.
Everybody would have been happy.
No, no, nothing bad happened.
Now look, I'm going to saysomething else.
Why?
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I don't know why you came up with Buzz Lightyear,
Andy.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
I don't know, Andy was a kid know and buzz
lightyear first off, it's toystory you know he was a kid in
toy story.
He's been here, stop it.
So I'm not saying I should havedone this, but I could have
helped alex harado also not thatI should have, but I could have
(57:52):
, and in fact I think never mind, I won't even say but I could
have.
I could have helped him curatea statement.
That would have salvagedsomething, because these people
just don't understand how publicperception works none of them
do.
They all just like everythingthis guy said how I want to
express how troubling it is thatwhat I, what should have been a
(58:14):
private moment, became publicwithout my consent.
Are you out of your mind?
Like you're cheating on yourwife and your?
Speaker 2 (58:23):
your gripe is that your spot was blown well, that's
similar to another statementwe've heard recently.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
That's what I mean.
Like think about your wife.
Right now You're more upsetthat your spot was blown than
what you actually did.
It's not, oh my gosh, I cannotbelieve.
Like.
You destroyed two families.
You, selfish POS.
You destroyed two families.
(58:51):
You ruined your children forlife.
Your children Look when peoplecheat.
It's not just that the parentsseparate, it's that you taught
your kids that if somethingfeels good like you, go and do
whatever.
Feel like you don't make anysacrifice for anything.
(59:14):
You go and do what you want todo.
You make yourself feel good,screw everybody around you.
You don't make any sacrificesfor anybody.
It's just about you Like that'sjust the lesson you teach your,
your children.
You scarred your wife.
Your wife's now going to goleave and she's probably going
to end up with some other guyand then she's going to get run
through by man after man and nowyour daughters are going to
watch your wife get just runthrough by other men and your
(59:36):
daughters are going to have nochance at a successful and that
monogamous marriage Do you know?
Speaker 2 (59:41):
the rates of sexual abuse by stepfathers.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
Oh, yeah, yeah, it depends on how old his kids are.
Yeah, like when you talk about,when you talk about, uh, abuse
in the home, a lot of it is stepparents, because these women
don't know the men that they'regetting themselves involved with
.
It's not the, it's not the realfather of the child.
I mean, you see it all the time, especially if you have a girl
who's seven or eight, when the,when the new guy comes in and
then he's watching the girlbecome a teenager, like that's
(01:00:07):
not his blood.
He's sitting there.
He's why he's men.
Modern men are disgusting.
They're disgusting creeps.
Ladies, it is very difficult tofind a man who is not a
disgusting creep in the modernage.
It just is.
I mean, I don't know man, I'mso worried about my daughters,
you have no idea.
(01:00:28):
It's just, I'm just so worriedabout them.
Um, but this is going to leadinto a very important
conversation that we're going tohave on locals.
We're at the one hour mark.
Uh, if you guys are not localsubscribers, I want you guys to
come over there, even if you doa single time episode.
This might be the episode youwant to check out.
It's going to be a good one.
(01:00:48):
Um, I want to discuss.
I want to discuss likesomething deeper's going to be a
good one I want to discuss.
I want to discuss like somethingdeeper about the Alex Harado
situation.
Not necessarily about him, butthe what is going on when we
commit sexual sin.
It's it's not simply justyou're giving into your lower
appetites.
It's not simply just thatyou're being selfish.
(01:01:10):
It's something much deeper andit's why it's why there's a very
strong line for sexual sin whenpeople are the public speaking
face for Catholicism.
So we're going to get into that.
We're also going to Rob and Ihave a little bit of a different
perspective on the life sitething.
But I don't want to do that onlocals either, because I don't
want it to seem like we'retaking sides.
(01:01:31):
So if you guys are not Localsmembers, this is definitely a
good show to come and check usout.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I don't think we should use the other intro even
then, but it was funny.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
No, we can do it on Locals.
Taffy made a very okay, let meget it ready real quick.
Get it ready, taffy.
Taffy made an intro that we I'mlike we can't play that, but I
think we can do it for thelocals audience.
Yeah, we'll do it on localstaff.
We got you.
So, yeah, we have a bit of adifferent perspective on the
(01:02:01):
life site thing and and yeah,we'll do the gun story also,
because I had a very crazyincident happen on my work site
a year or two ago if you guysare new to the show where a guy
was arrested at my like.
We came into work one morningand SWAT was there and this,
(01:02:21):
like our whole yard was getting.
There was a search warrant.
We were told we had to waitoutside, we couldn't come in and
they raided our yard and I'llexplain that story.
So join us over on locals.
I think that's about it.
That's all we have to promote,like and subscribe.
Share this video with yourfriends.
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We will see you guys on theother side.
Rob, take us out, thank you.
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Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, taffy, taffy, if you're watching right now,
did you do something to make Antlook as black as that?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
or was that just natural?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Because you made the comment about us being the heel
like you said you were, like youknow me, me and ant have
basically like we are the heelsin the catholic world, like it
would just become like theadversaries of everybody.
I gotta be honest, I'm like Iwoke up the other day and I
hadn't slept all week.
I had um like three consecutivedays where I got like less than
(01:30):
three hours, yeah, and soyesterday was I only got three
hours of sleep again and I wokeup at like two in the morning.
I was just like thinking aboutall the freaking garbage going
on and like thinking about likethe comments people were leaving
on our video and like likepeople accusing us of uh, like
like people saying shame on youfor, like for discussing someone
(01:57):
else's sins and I'm like, sowait, you're shaming me for
shaming him.
Like you're doing the thing.
You're like like you'repointing out my sin of pointing
out his did you see um wagner'stweet kind of on that lines.
He goes detraction is so bad,you must run out and tell
(02:18):
everyone about someone else'sdetraction but it's true, it's
like, it's like they can pointour sin out, but like, if we you
know I'm debating if we shoulddo this conversation on um, uh,
yeah, I think we should do thaton locals, because I have like
this, this whole.
I kind of have this like wholeuh thing about like what, what
(02:40):
it is, because I saw a clip thatfrad put out with a priest
about like sexual sins and likewhy they're so different, and I
have like a a real and I don'tthink anything they said in the
clip was wrong.
I just don't think it went farenough.
So, but maybe we'll I mean,we'll see how this show goes,
but that we're not going tostart with that.
Um, yes, I am indeed a sinner,but especially like I don't I
(03:06):
will say this the people thatwere like defending him and
saying you shouldn't be talkingabout this, like the whole thing
of this coming out from whatRob and I are hearing behind the
scenes.
He's going to take some time.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
For those.
Okay, we did this bad lastepisode.
We are disgusting.
We are discussing the the uhvoice of reason scandal.
For those of you who don't know, there, he is a online
apologist who has allegedly donesome very bad things,
potentially allegedly even withminors anyways.
(03:42):
So that's what we're discussing, and we're discussing how the
video we made about him, whichinitially did not have him in
the title it did not evenspecify him in a in a thumbnail
um, I thought, was literally ascharitable charitable as we
could have been about it yeah,and I came on just assuming
everybody knew what we weregoing to talk about.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So I, just I, we started making inside jokes and
like I, and then, finally, whydon't we tell everyone who we're
talking about?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
well, the only reason we even we changed the title
and thumbnail to specify him isbecause people were not
understanding we were talkingabout him yeah, so oh.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Plus, we dropped the ball with a thumbnail and Wagner
it was a.
It was a split stream betweenour channel and Wagner's and his
views got double hours, andthat never have our channels
bigger than his.
Rob dropped the ball with thethumbnail.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I'm just saying no, no, no, no.
The first thumbnail I made wasgold but I said it was too far.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Um, the but from what rob and I are hearing behind
the scenes is that he's going totake some time in a monastery
and like there's really nobetter outcome you could ask for
, and people that actually careabout his soul should be happy.
And the thing that led to thatwas the public shaming that
happened because his originalstatement um, his original
(05:07):
statement came out where he wasgoing to just deny, deny, deny,
threaten lawsuits that were tobe fair.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
He only denied one specific claim right, but he?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
but it was a carefully worded denial that
made it seem like he was denyingeverything, but he was really
only denying one specific claimand then owning up to fessing up
, to being a sinner, generalizedsinner, which, but?
While threatening lawsuits toanyone who talked about it,
right?
So like that, the intention ofthat statement was to get
everybody to shut up.
Don't talk about this.
And I'm like and and rob and Iwere talking about it.
(05:37):
I'm just like this is aridiculous idea that he's going
to sue anybody.
Like.
It's just, especially if any ofit's true like if any of it's
true truth is an absolutedefense in defamation cases yeah
, it's like so, and then hisphone would end up being
submitted for discovery and thenwe would see, like, if there's
truth to this stuff, you're thengoing to see every single girl
(05:59):
he did this.
There's no way this guy openedhim up and opened himself up to
that, so what?
But what wound up happening?
This is true, yes, that he isnow going for a period of
penance at a monastery, and it'slike you hope for something
like that, like the end goal isnot that we want to shame him
(06:19):
for life.
The end goal is you want tobring him back into communion
with the church, restore hisrelationship with Christ and
have him be a faithful Catholic.
He has to find a newopportunity offline.
Yeah, he has to find I mean,look, he's Mexican, go, you know
, do construction Roofing.
I mean, yeah, I don't know whatroofing is, but roofing would
work.
Sorry, Rob, oh you Minnesotansand your roofing.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm sorry, I didn't get that scenario right.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Oh, you say scenario, you got to be kidding me, but
we're not going to do thistonight.
I do have a thing I want to getto, but I think we'll do that.
On Locals, we're also.
Rob is a little critical of theway I handled the life site
story I said we didn't have totalk about it.
No, it's okay.
Like the, I think what peoplelike is that you and I don't
(07:11):
agree on everything, and he likeand the thing is, I don't, we
don't even necessarily disagree.
It's more like, uh, like we'vekind of seen it from different
areas, like he, he's seeing thething and I'm seeing yeah but I
have to be extra critical of youso that your mother hates me
more well, my mom is.
My mom is very upset with you.
She goes you know everything.
(07:33):
You say rob, just kind of justtrashes.
I'm like it's a bit, don'tworry about it.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's just a bit bob, don't worry, he's just, it's
kind of a thing we do if wetouch on the guitar thing by the
end of this episode, both yourparents are gonna hate me, yeah
oh man, did you?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
uh, okay, so I had.
So, guys, if you're, if you'renew to the show, if you're here
for the lead story, just skipabout.
We take a few minutes.
Like, just learn to like dealwith us for a few minutes we
will get to the Charlie Kirkthing I was going to say.
I was going to say pick fruiton a farm, because that's all we
(08:15):
ever hear from people.
It's like who's going to pickyour fruit on a farm if we
deport all the Mexicans?
I'm sorry, guys.
We have a little bit ofirreverent humor because there's
a lot of new people watchingthe show like and they're not
happy with us unhinged I'm thehinge of this show so, um, okay.
(08:37):
so I went to dinner at myparents last night and my dad's
really harping on that oneepisode.
He caught the one episode he'sever seen, not even a whole
episode, he's like a segment,like a portion of it, where we
were talking about boomers andguitar masses.
My dad played the guitar at thechurch for years, like my
(08:58):
parents went to Medjugorje inthe late 80s, early 90s, and the
show is Anthony Bates base.
Yeah, yeah, sure you're new.
so my my parents went tomedjugorje in the late 80s,
early 90s.
They came back.
My dad had like a wildconversion, um, and he, like my
(09:19):
dad, my dad's played the guitarhis entire life and he then
played music for the church fora good 10.
I mean, what year did I move to?
What year did I move to?
Uh, smith, I mean it had to be.
It had to be like five or tenyears.
My dad was like part of themusic ministry, you know, um,
and then he, yeah, the musicministry.
(09:40):
So then when we were talkingabout guitar masses and stuff,
my dad like kind of went off onme and he's like you know, it's
not the instrument, because mydad loves the freaking guitar.
He's like it's not theinstrument, it's the type of
music.
So I'm afraid to actually playit because we'll probably get a
copyright right If we do 20seconds of it, do like 15
(10:03):
seconds of it.
Let me see if I can find yourtweet.
I got the tweet so I'll send itto the thing.
So for anybody that did not seethis today, oh wrong one For
anybody that didn't see thistoday.
So my dad's like, just listento this, and this I mean his
tweet kind of blew up today.
(10:23):
So the tweet was last week.
My dad caught an episode whereRob and I criticized guitars at
mass.
Last night I had dinner withhim and he insisted it's not the
guitar but the type of music.
He made me watch this.
But we still disagreed and Iasked can guitars be appropriate
for mass If the music is notcheesy?
and this is what he played forme I will say this it is a very
(10:58):
beautiful rendition of our of uhave maria yeah, but even
there's, there's a even.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
There's a couple reasons why even this shouldn't
be in a Mass.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Right.
Well, the thing is what he'sdoing there.
Playing that in a churchoutside of the setting of the
Mass is totally appropriate, oh,yeah.
Outside of the Outside of theMass in that church, the
acoustics of the church.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
In the sanctuary with Christ.
There Is that where he was IOutside of the mass in that
church the acoustics of thechurch.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
In the sanctuary with Christ there Is that where he
was.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I didn't notice.
Yeah, I'm willing to say okay,but I mean, it depends.
Is it a concert?
You know?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah Well, all I'm saying is it's a beautiful
rendition and that guy's aclassical guitarist, it's not
like he's a rock guitarist.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Have you ever met anyone in any sort of church
music ministry that can playguitar like that?
My dad maybe.
Okay, that's pretty, my dad'spretty good.
Dude saying that casey watches,yeah, it's pretty good though.
Um, but say that was in mass,like even without the idea of
it's a guitar, it's just without, without words, it's just yeah
it's just, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Even at that point he and I still disagreed, but I I
don't know why he can't, he hewas taking it so personally,
like I was like knocking, I'mlike, I'm like I'm not knocking
the guitar guitar's a beautifulinstrument.
I love listening to you play.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I'm gonna piss off all the boomers again, like we
tend to do.
What is it with that generation, with taking everything so
personally?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I don't know man like when someone comments something
about millennials I'm likeyou're probably right but when
you're like you know but I justdon't get it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Why is everything?
Why?
Why is everything's in a town?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
of them personally.
Molly says the other day shegoes, I don't care what people
say anything about millennials.
I said, because you're Gen X,of course you don't care.
I did see you say that she's amillennial.
I was just teasing, yeah.
So it was an interestingconversation with my dad but I
kind of just was like no, that's.
I mean that's beautiful and Imean I wouldn't prefer, I would
(13:08):
prefer it not be in the settingof the mass.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
but obviously that's much more beautiful than, uh,
you know right, I mean it'sobjectively better than the my
little pony, you know.
Yeah, yeah, one of thoserenditions.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So it is what it is, all right.
So we will now get to the lead.
Before we do.
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One thing we can kind of promote, although I have no
specifics on it and I didn'tknow about it from Anthony.
I learned about it from Josiahfrom Thursday, but I guess next
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That's going to have a ton ofus I don't want to call us
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to pizza balla and the church ingaza that was attacked today.
(14:26):
Um, I think anthony and I aregonna be on there, like 6 30
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Speaker 3 (14:37):
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Um, um.
So all right.
So let's get to the uh title,the, the lead story.
Um, charlie kirk made a commenttoday or we saw it online today
where he said the antidote tofeminism is our lady.
(15:22):
And it was, uh, I mean, it'sstill very evangelical
protestant d, but I thought itwas an and it was.
I mean, it's still veryevangelical Protestant-y, but I
thought it was an interestingconversation, it was an
interesting segment that hespoke about and Rob brought up
he goes, you know, I bet,because we kind of trashed
Knowles a little bit.
We were critical, yeah, yeah, Ididn't trash him, but we were
critical of Knowles in hisconversation with Charlie Kirk
(15:44):
because we didn't trash him, butwe were critical of knolls in
his conversation with charliekirk because, um, we didn't
think.
I didn't think, uh, no, no, Ithink you were too.
We were both critical.
We didn't think, no, I think Iwas more critical than you yeah,
probably because you're, you'remean, yeah, um and we just
thought knolls could have pusheda little harder and he was like
too concerned with charlie'sfeelings and not thinking about
(16:05):
like the broader argument at thetime.
So but let's play it, and thenwe'll play a clip from um, from
the Knowles Kirk thing.
That's kind of relevant Um.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
But let me first say I think we as Protestants and
Evangelicals under-venerate Mary.
She was very important.
She was a vessel for our Lordand Savior.
I think that we, asEvangelicals and Protestants,
we've over-corrected.
We don't talk about Mary enough, we don't venerate her enough.
Mary was clearly important toearly Christians.
(16:38):
There's something there.
In fact, I believe one of theways that we fix toxic feminism
in America is Mary is thesolution.
Have more young ladies, bepious, be reverent, to be full
of faith, slow to anger, slow towords at times.
(16:58):
Mary is a phenomenal exampleand, I think, a counter to so
much of the toxicity of feminismin the modern era now, oh whoa,
I never know what's gonna comeup from.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I, I cut it off , but I okay.
So a couple things.
I I don't want to overplay thisand be like oh, charlie kirk,
like it look yeah he still suckshe still sucks.
He's still like we asevangelicals of uber correctness
.
I don't want to like she's a.
She was a vessel yeah, like Idon't want to overstate what
actually happened here, but um,it's.
(17:34):
It's kind of like the slipperyslope once somebody starts going
in that direction.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right mary is the slippery slope to catholic.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, dude, once you start softening your heart to
our lady, she kind of comesthrough with a two by four and
next thing you know you're onyour knees worshiping her.
It is what it is, guys.
I don't know what to tell youthat's gonna be clipped by.
Uh, I don't care I have noqualms telling protestants I
worship mary, like I, it's true,I worship her.
I don't care, it's not.
(18:01):
I mean catholics, clearlyworship her with latria.
But yeah, but like I, I Iworship her and love her in the
same way I worship and love mywife, like, like I have said,
simp yeah, I bet quote that Ihave said, um, like it when it
(18:23):
comes to like, filial love, likeI love our lady as much as
jesus.
Like I don't, like it would like.
Asking me to pick which one Ilove more would be like asking
me which child I love more.
Like it's not I have I have.
Like I understand christ is mysavior and redeemer and that and
I get that.
But on a filial piety level Ihave such a devotion to Our Lady
(18:47):
and such a love for Her Icouldn't say I love Her less
than Jesus.
I don't.
I love them both the same.
Yeah, I'm a mama's boy when itcomes to Our Lady.
Yeah, I'm a.
Yeah, I'm a mama's boy when itcomes to our lady.
Um, it's one of those thingswhere I think, even like, if
somebody blasphemed anddisrespected christ in front of
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me depending on the context, Imight tolerate it where, if
somebody disrespected our ladyin front of me, I might knock
their teeth out well, it dependslike someone who's gonna
disrespect.
Christ is probably I've I've hadpeople say gd in front of me.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I've had people okay, okay, well, in front of me,
right I've had people disrespectour lord in front of me.
It's a little different than anelder, one of the elder
brothers saying he's uh burning,yeah very.
That's why I said contextdependent.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I look, I was at a party one time, um, and I had my
children there, and my friend'swife started saying GD in front
of my children and I just wentlook, I'm like it's like one of
those things where, like, mykids are around, like it's a
very easy one to not say like Idon't care, if you drop the F
(19:55):
word in front of my kids they'llhear something like that.
But please don't take the words.
They're a Nutella family, theyhear that I mean, come on, and
she freaking lost it, don't.
Who are you dude?
It was like evil came out inher.
Like who are?
you to tell me what I can andcan't say in my house.
And you know what it's niceseeing you guys.
I'm out of here.
I took my kids and I left andit was.
(20:16):
It was awkward, it was veryawkward, but I was like I'm not
going to sit here while you'retaking the lord's name in vain
in front of my children.
And now you're, now you'reangry at me because I asked you
not to do it like it was like a,like a.
It was a really awkward moment.
I said let me just take my kidsand get the hell out of you.
Nicole wasn't with me, um, butand uh, it's.
It's interesting because I'veseen them since then.
(20:39):
I never, never got an apology,nothing.
The husband apologized to me,but the wife never did.
But if somebody disrespectedour lady like there was somebody
passing a picture of a brokenBlessed Mother statue a while
ago, like passing that around onTwitter and I said if somebody
ever did this intentionally infront of me.
I would punch them in the face.
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If you broke a statue of didthis intentionally in front of
me, like I would.
I would punch them in the faceIf you broke a statue of our
lady intentionally in front ofme, like we are now fighting,
there is no chance.
I would like there is no chance, we're not fighting if you did
that in front of me.
So I don't know.
It's one of those things now.
So I do think before yeah, so Idon't want to overplay what
charlie kirk is doing, but it isone of those things where you
(21:23):
see kind of every protestantthat that that kind of just
softens their heart to our lady.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Our lady has a way of well, uh, taylor marshall, his
conversion started when hestarted praying the rosary,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
oh well, if you saw, I mean, if you get to the point
where you're praying the rosary,but also, uh, somebody that's
why I sent my my uh black monkrosary to uh lore lodge guy did
you.
That's a good idea, becausethat's a.
That's a.
If you guys don't know, becauseI know he likes the templars
sent that.
You know he's blessed andeverything sent that to him if
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you guys don't have a black monkrosary, they are.
You've never had a rosary likethis, like when I got mine.
Even even rob's gonna show youright now this is my other one.
Okay, that looks like plastic.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They're steel well, so the crusader one I had was
steel.
This is stone.
So I mean you could beatsomeone to death with one.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'm not saying you should, but you could, yeah,
like the thing weighs like agood four pounds, like a solid,
like four or five pounds I triedcarrying in my pocket a few
days.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I'm like, this is not really a serious rose.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
it's the most serious rosary I've ever had, but, um,
it's yeah.
So if a Protestant startspraying the rosary, they're
already there.
Like there's no such thing aslike a Protestant that prays the
rosary and doesn't end upCatholic, you just you can't.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's not possible, yeah agreed.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
But somebody, even in the comments and I had seen a
few people said it today in mythread where I posted the
Charlie Kirk thing that somepeople live locally to him and
he's been going to daily massyes, and when we say that we
don't necessarily mean everylike daily, but he's been going
to weekday masses yeah.
But wait, where is it?
(23:18):
Somebody said.
So apparently his wife, I think,is oh, here it is.
Charlie kirk's wife has beenattending catholic mass
regularly and he has been seenwith her multiple times in
recent months.
This is in arizona now.
Look, the prayers of a faithfulwife can have a very heavy
effect on the on the heart of aman wait, did you just say his
wife is catholic?
(23:39):
I don't know if she's catholic.
She's attending catholic massthough.
Oh, his wife is attendingcatholic mass, so maybe his
wife's heart is softening to itand it's going to end up.
Uh, you know, it just might beone of those things so let's
hammer peterson first.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
If you had to put money on it I say kirk first.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I think so I think peterson's too stubborn
intellectual pride.
Yeah, I think peterson's toostubborn and prideful, I would
say.
But there's also an elementwhere you hope Kirk isn't just
playing to the audience becausehe knows he has a large Catholic
audience, but I mean he's alsorisking offending his Protestant
audience.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
He thinks he's saying it gently, but I saw the
Protestant comments underneathit.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
How could he?
Even Rome thinks that Mary is agod, like the nonsense that
they say.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I don't think they realize like I have a feeling
those type of responses is whatpermanently lost.
What's his name, cameronBertuzzi, to them.
Oh yeah, you know, I think theyjust end up like pushing them
away as soon as they see thatthere might be some sort of draw
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to catholicism in them.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, yeah it's like but dude.
Those are such low iq arguments, though, like when people like
you guys worship me.
It's the dumbest.
It's like dude you don't like.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Those are the dumb.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
First off, there is pagan catholicism going on and
we are going to talk about that.
That is there is.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I should have shown up in a yeti costume there is
well no, I'm not even talkingabout that.
I know, but that would havebeen funny not even talking
about that, that's.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's just weird nonsense.
We will talk about that alittle bit, but like there is, I
think, kind of alex marado waspagan catholic, oh yeah, like I
think that was pagan.
A thousand charlie apologizingto vince if you're listening.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
We're so sorry for table of plenty on eagle's wings
bring that man to a latin mass.
Nobody let him go to the novusordo first anthony says if they
have a guitar in the musicministry you cannot attend okay,
um, oh my god, grover, shut up.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Are you guys reacting ?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
to drama.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
These days, you guys even prepare for this show no,
since when have we ever grover?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
you either?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
come on as a guest with your.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I want grover's face on screen or we're not going to
highlight his comments anymoredid we want to play the knolls
yeah, so let's do that.
Let's do the knolls clip,because I thought, because rob
had said to me he goes I wonderif there was anything
interesting in the knollsconversation, where where they
talk about mary and there was.
So it's only a short.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's only a short segment that I pulled, but it's
like it's like a two-minute clip, but there was something
interesting in it I will prefacethis by saying it's still not
how I would ever talk to someoneyou know, even if they are a
friend about it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But but, I don't know let's play it.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Let's play it and then we'll critique it this is
something, charlie, that youknow we mackerel snappers we get
, we don't need to, we don'tneed to, you know, reinvent the
wheel.
Every year, we got two thousandyears of people who are much
smarter than you and I who havethought this um, okay.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
So somebody in the audience had asked him michael,
how can I help spread, spreadlove for the Eucharist?
So that was the question andMichael kind of went off and he
was like, oh wow, this is likean amazing question.
I thought you were going to askme, how do you start a podcast?
And I was going to tell you,don't, he's like, but the great
thing about being Catholic isyou don't actually have to do
(27:16):
anything on your own, you canjust reach into the tradition.
And that's where he picks up.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Instead of debating these questions.
So if you just bring that, ifyou convey that I'm trying to
sell Charlie on this right now Iknow I'm answering you, but I'm
really speaking to Charlie.
If you just do that, that's allyou're doing.
You're just telling the story.
You're telling the greateststory ever told and you have the
deposit of faith and you havethe magisterium behind you as a
(27:43):
hermeneutic of interpretation.
But just do that, you know, anddo that in sincerity and do
that with the best of youreffort and I think it'll be
wonderful.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
As an evangelical who loves Catholics, I love that
you're doing it, but let me just, let me just edit.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Here's the but.
Here's the but.
It's a big one.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
You didn't catch it, michael.
Here's the.
It's a big one.
You didn't catch it, michael,is that?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
your goal should be to bring people to jesus not
catholicism.
No hold on.
What's the difference, what'sthe I?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
don't think.
What's the hold on, hold on.
I'm not saying that they'recontradictory, but your goal
should not to be to bring peopleto a specific sect of
christianity.
It is to bring people to thespecific sect of Christianity.
It is to bring people to thecross.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
You're saying to bring people to the fullness of
the truth and the universalfaith.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yes, but not the maxims of every Catholic dogma.
No, I mean.
For example, am I a Christianif I don't believe in Mariology?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Well, we're talking about the fullness of the truth.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You know what I'm talking about, but you still
have the truth.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But you still look, our main criticism of Knowles in
this was that he was tooconcerned with Charlie and
offending Charlie, yeah, and notenough.
Concerned with presenting theCatholic faith for the larger
audience Right, but maybe whathe was doing was the right thing
(29:03):
to do, because he was caringfor the soul in front of him,
somebody he knows and caresabout, and he's like I know I
can handle this one right.
And then, through charlie'sconversion, the, the audience
can yeah yeah, it's like.
It's like because noel's.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No, I still wouldn't answer any of my friends the way
he answered Of course not.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You know he's in a tricky spot.
Listen to me I we could all saywhat we would do right.
You don't say what we would do,but when we had Lorelai John
and he was spouting some of theridiculous things he was like
all right.
I pushed him more than you did.
I'm just saying like it's hardto not maintain Like they
(29:45):
weren't setting up for a fight,like Charlie was a jerk in that
conversation.
He kind of looked foolish.
You have two completelydifferent temperaments, though.
Yeah, we do so, like in thatconversation though, charlie was
like kind of badgering Michaeland the thing is, in the larger
perspective of that conversation, michael came off looking
gentle, insane, and charlie cameoff looking like an idiot.
(30:07):
You know like, because Iremember going through that
conversation to be like charlieyou're just making a fool of
yourself right now but michaelwas focused on his friend
charlie, like he really was andhe was and he didn't lie.
So, like when charlie said, ifI don't believe in mariology, am
I still a christian?
Michael was like whoa, you knowwe're talking about the
(30:29):
fullness here.
So, all right, I'm gonna saythis maybe I was a little too
harsh on knolls and if I was, Iapologize.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Uh, unless he never invites you on the show, then
you should have been hard right.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No, if charlie kirk never converts to michael you on
the show, then you should havebeen hard, right?
No, if charlie kirk neverconversed and michael, you were
a dummy and you should have wentharder, that's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But if we see a charlie kirk conversion, I'll
give you a retroactive apology,and that's how it's gonna work
why is it we always see, likethe gregorius, friendly sicilian
from michael knows and neverthe angry fire spitting Sicilian
from Michael you get.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, I think you guys are variety.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Why is he never gone to someone?
Stop it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's gay, yeah, like I kind of I try to give you guys
the variety, like I give youguys the friendly, like you know
, the jolly.
Everybody get along Italian,and then I kind of I do that
fire spitting italian thing too.
Um, yeah, I don't know, I don'tknow it's you know, I think, uh
(31:27):
, I think you know what else I'mworried about, though, like
when I do those like I don'twant it to be, is catholic,
right?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
uh, did you see jack posobic posting like, if he's
not practicing like I know hisbrother, kevin, definitely is?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
no, jack posobic is a yeah, he's catholic, he's, oh,
it's not.
Just I believe he goes to latinmass.
Well, he's had martial on andyeah, no, I I.
The thing is, those guys willlike politics comes before their
religion, I think yeah, I agree.
(32:00):
Uh, like those guys, the likethis, this, the bannons and the
posobics, and like I like jackposobic, but like their politics
comes before, they're really inmy opinion.
I mean, I don't know theirhearts, but it seems that way.
It seems like they'll publicly,they publicly, they'll
criticize leo.
They would never criticizetrump, it's.
I'm okay with you criticizingLeo, but like, criticize Trump,
(32:22):
like I mean like criticize Trump.
I'm just saying like, butthey're, I like Posobiec too.
I'm not saying I don't likePosobiec, I'm saying I want to
see consistency.
It's like if you see somethingwrong, you can criticize it, but
be consistent.
Like, don't just be like aMagatard where it's just like
well, I just go along withwhatever, whatever, whatever
trump does, I gotta be on theteam, you know like, if that's
(32:43):
the case, then you should be onthe team, no matter what, with
catholicism too I mean, say whatyou want about leo, comparisons
of francis, whatever, whatnot,of him and trump.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There's only one of the two that I think might be in
the epstein files.
That's true, and it's not leoyeah, it's definitely not leo.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Um, yeah, I mean trump.
We don't have to do a trumpepisode, but we're gonna do a
trump episode next thursday whennick comes.
Yeah, we'll save that for nick.
Yeah, nick's.
Nick's coming back on nextthursday apparently he's got
some big news.
We don't know what it is yetyeah, he won't tell us his bum,
like he won't even give us asneak even when I asked like
don't we get enough?
(33:20):
yeah, he's like oh, I got somegood news.
He's like I can, I can tell youguys, next week we're like do
we, do we have to wait?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
he's like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I'm like we're your friends do we have to like to me
and to me and rob have to wait,like you tell us first come on
no, not fuentes, fuentes,fuentes wants nothing to do with
us.
That's not a bad point.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Nick won't tell because Ant will spoil it.
I almost considered textingNick.
I'm like, if you don't feelcomfortable telling Ant, you can
at least tell me.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I would probably blow his spot.
You know what If it wasn'tsuper secret.
It depends, it depends, dependsthe level of secrecy.
I will say this I'm glad youdidn't tell me, I'm glad you
told majority not to show methose text messages I.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I gotta admit, though , I'm not perfect, so someone
sent me.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Never mind, no one else will get the story rob, rob
, the, the text messages, thevoice of reason, text messages.
Rob was like look, he gave me,like the, the idea of what was
happening.
He goes and he's like but likeyou gotta see this, I said, and
he's like, I can't send you thetext message.
I was like you know what, don'tsend them to me because and I'm
glad he didn't, because if Ihad read those I would have, I
(34:37):
would.
It would have been too hard for, like, I would have been seet,
you would have went on a rant inthe middle of an episode.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I'm at a loss, Like this freaking pervert.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
He's still going out on youth retreats.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'd be texting Majorian, you got to release it
now.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Might have been one of those situations.
I'm also concerned with theangry sicilian thing becoming a
bit you're like I only want todo that when I'm genuinely angry
, like I don't want to just doit because people find you've
only ever really done it.
Twice it was, and then um I didvoice a reason before, before
(35:16):
this most recent time, like thewhen he went on janko yeah, you
kind of lost it, it was.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Whatever you said about him was very different
than when you said what you saidabout Loft and the Wands and
then what you said about EricMcCabe.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I don't think I got that angry at Eric McCabe, I was
just disappointed.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
But everything's better now.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, everything is better.
And interestingly he came outwith an episode saying how we
saved his soul, and I think wesaved voice of reason soul too.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I'm not going to go back.
I think and I don't.
I'm not I'm not.
I'm not saying that as in, likeI don't think he's going to
repent or anything.
I just mean like I'm not goingto take any credit for it, I
think yeah, you're going to takecredit, he will.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I'm not saying I'm taking credit, I down the line
he will credit us someone clipthis.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
We need this as a prediction, in case it happens
I'll make your prediction.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Down the line, he will say they contributed to
saving my soul.
I'm just making the prediction,that's all it doesn't surprise
anyone.
Guys, I'm goofing around, it'sjust for the bit.
(36:35):
It's just look I struggle with.
Here's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
No matter what happens with voice of reason, he
is gonna hate our guts forever.
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You know, who else hates us is pipe cottage.
Pipe cottage didn't just leavea comment on our video, he left
a comment on joe mclean's video.
So I called into joe mclean'sshow the other morning to
discuss the situation, and pipecottage left the same comment on
joe mclean's video that he didon ours.
I love watching this channel.
Why?
To see your reactions fromanthony
(37:13):
okay, so I was actually speakingwith um steve uh skojek and so
steve skojek had a uh, he wrotea sub stack the other day.
He wrote a sub stack the otherday of uh, oh, my gosh, taffy.
Yeah, steve Skojec wrote a substack the other day.
(37:34):
I mean, this kind of goes withthe life side stuff.
But just discussing like thething with it wasn't actually
life side, it was Stephen Coxwrote an article critical of
Pope Leo with the votive massfor creation yeah, and it when
(37:55):
you actually read the articlelike it was a votive mass.
It wasn't like the way stephencox framed.
It sounded like they made a newright, like an amazonian right
for creation or one of like two,three, four dozen different
votive masses you can see.
Yeah, it's literally just likeand it wasn't about climate
(38:16):
change or anything like that, itwas like just being good
stewards of the earth, literallylike just conservation.
There's nothing wrong with likecaring about conservation as a
Catholic.
There's just not Like youshould actually care about your
local environment very much.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Like if it had come out a hundred years ago.
No big deal, but because, welive in such a weird politically
charged age andenvironmentalism for some reason
automatically gets put on theleft hand side of things by
people.
They think that there wasnothing there was nothing about
carbon footprints.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
It was nothing like that.
It was just about like care forthe, care for creation and care
for your local, whatever.
So Steve was just like likeremembering when he ran one
Peter five, just how, like theoutrage machine, right, just
like you would I say like waytoo much guys.
I'm sorry, I like when I goback please like subscribe
(39:10):
everyone.
When I go back and listen tomyself, all I hear is like it
freaking drives me nuts.
I'm like holy cow, how do Ikeep saying it?
So I'm gonna try not to um theoutrage machine where he would
go through things and just lookfor things to get upset about,
(39:31):
because that is actually whatdrives clicks and people feed on
negativity and outrage.
Right, and I I messaged him andI said I just I just read your
sub stack.
I said rob and I have actuallybeen talking about this lately
and we're getting away fromdiscussing leo and what, what's
(39:54):
going on in the church and stuff, and going more towards
something like we did tonightwith charlie kirk.
Right, like we're going to findinteresting things on the
internet that we think we couldbring a catholic perspective to
and we're going to, you know,play a video clip and then hope
it leads to a conversation.
We're going to get away fromchurch drama specifically.
I mean, look, if somethinghappens in Catholic Inc, we're
(40:17):
going to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, but the end of Francis was a nice reset, kind
of it was.
I don't know.
It does make you look at thingsfrom a different perspective.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
It's just that you're not waking up every day to see
something francis said to pissyou off.
Right, it's like, look, like Isaid, I think leo's a bit of a
boring pope, but maybe we need aboring pope.
You know, I don't think he'sgonna save the church, but he's
also not like adding fuel to analready toxic environment.
You look, he says mass facingad orientum the other day, and
(40:52):
little gestures like thatactually do matter, especially
when this bishop is thinkingabout banning Ad Orientum In
Castel Gandolfo.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Francis avoided that place like the plague for 12
years Like what's his name?
Cale just sent us an articlefrom Mark, from Catholic,
Unscripted, actually no itwasn't from them, it was from an
italian, um an italian sitethat basically said like the
error of uh fake pauperism, uh,you know, fake, uh, fake poverty
(41:25):
fake poverty is over, yeah,pretending you're poor and we
can't go to castel, gondolfo andI can't, you know, I have to
live, live in the, in the, inthe, I can't, I can't live, you
know, in the papal palaceanymore.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I have to, because you know it's faux poverty, it's
virtue, signaling falsehumility, and it was like a
relief, like that period is done.
So, but what I said, what Isaid to Steve, was um, what I
said to Steve was I, I never gotinto podcasting because I
(42:00):
wanted to be a critic of thechurch.
That's not why I got into itLike my.
My actual reason I got into itis because I always wanted to do
radio Like.
I always wanted to do radio I,I, I.
I was a very big talk radio guywhen I was younger and I always
wanted to do radio Like Ialways wanted to do radio I, I,
I was a very big talk radio guywhen I was younger and I always
thought I could do it.
And the video element makes iteven more fun for me.
(42:22):
I really do enjoy being able toplay a clip and then comment on
it.
So to me I don't care.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Video.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Here you go.
I don't like being alone onvideo.
I, I, I, it is, it was it's.
It is really strange doingthose stupid videos from the
truck because half the time it's105 degrees and I'm drenched in
sweat and I have to put thecamera on and like I haven't
shaved and I look terrible andI'm just like, all right, I'm
going to do a stupid video fromthe truck and I'm like I don't
(42:50):
want to look at the camera whileI do.
It's a really awkward thing,but the reason I got it yeah,
this is like paul that that isthe inspiration for it um,
listening to them.
And so I still want tointerview anthony cumia.
But you know, if you drinkevery time, I say like you guys
will be crocs before the firsthour is over yeah, we can't
(43:12):
promote.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
We can't promote sin like can't promote drunkenness.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Um the yeah, the reason I got into this was
because I thought I could doradio and I I our show.
Rob and I have been veryspecific in telling people we
are not an apostolate, we're nota ministry, we're not any of
that, we're an entertainmentshow.
That's it.
We're just two friends that aredoing an entertainment show.
We find interesting things totalk about.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's kind of just like it's a lot easier for for
Anthony and I to justify to ourconversations with each other's
to our wives when we make alittle bit of money from it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I also don't want to sell.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Jesus want to sell jesus, right like I don't want
to sell my catholic faith either.
I'm being, I don't, I don'tever want to.
Then there's, then there's thatum, that drive to to put on an
air of catholic holiness right,if that's what you're selling
this, and then you need to havemore of it to sell more of it
look, the thing is you can tuneinto this show.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
You'll never hear cursing.
You'll never hear unless timgordon's on.
You'll never hear blasphemy,you'll never hear.
You'll never hear like um smutor anything like that.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So you know you will hear women jokes, especially
about drivers.
You'll hear jokes about well,anthony will do chinese priest
impressions.
Um, we don't bring up nativeamericans anymore for a very
strong reason we do the amishtalk over on locals.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
But I think our humor is still appropriate as
catholics like?
I don't think it's.
I think I think we tow a veryfine line.
Sometimes we may push it alittle bit, but I don't think
it's like too far gone whereit's, it's edgy for us for like
political, but yeah, forCatholicism.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I think it is fine, I think, I think, I think, except
maybe the pigeon Bible that'son that line.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Dude, that was one of the funniest episodes we've
ever done.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Oh, it's so funny, but it is, robert, you don't
know what.
The pigeon.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Bible is Robert.
Just look up Hawaiian pigeonBible and you'll find our video
On our channel.
Video on our channel.
Just google search that onYouTube.
You'll find our video.
There's nobody else that everdid it.
You've had to apologize foryour language.
Rob has a potty mouth.
Somebody said I took the Lord'sname in vain the other day.
(45:28):
I guess I said oh my, I triedto say oh my, my gosh I think
you did want.
I think it was just accidental.
But I don't ever say thatunless it's a total accident.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I make a point to say oh my gosh, I think you might
have actually been quotingsomeone and you just didn't
realize it.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, it wasn't like I was just throwing it out there
.
All right, michael, I was justthrowing it out there, but all
right, so we can.
Yeah, michael, maybe you knowmore than we do about the
Charlie Kirk situation, let'shope you do.
All right, so we also have.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Let's see what else did we have on this channel or
on this side.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
For this side, because we do have stuff for
local.
Honestly, I don't have worktomorrow.
Rob's in for a long one.
Locals is going to be a fulllocal show, but I have a lot of
thoughts about things that Idon't want to discuss.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I didn't want this.
Oh, you know, if you want to doanother 15 minutes here just to
round up the hour, we couldtalk about the guy I thought was
your co-worker.
Yeah, um, I think we should dothe.
The idiot at the coldplayconcert, though you don't want
to save that for your old stuffon sexual sins and the next on
locals.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
No, it'll be a good good way to segue into it and we
only have 14 minutes, so Ithink it'll be a good way to
segue into it?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
have we really done this show long enough to where
we look substantially differentthan we did at the beginning?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
so okay.
So yeah, listen.
If you guys have never seenthat video, uh, it's my second
video I ever did when you weresolo.
Still, I was.
I was solo.
It was a pre-recorded video.
Um, it's one of it's.
It's one of my favorite thingsto discuss is the typology in
the book of.
It's really the book of Matthew, but it's the typology between
(47:20):
the story of Jonah and the bookof Matthew, when the Pharisees
say give us a sign, and Jesussays this generation will only
get the sign of Jonah, and it'sa really interesting parallel
between the book of Jonah andwhat Jesus is talking about in
Matthew there.
So if you've never seen it, Imean you've got to go way back.
(47:41):
My teeth are not fixed yet.
It's a pretty wild show.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
But if you want to go back to that same time period
and watch a really funny show, Iremastered the audio on one
where anthony makes uh marriagetalks about uh, marriage advice
yes that was my second wait.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
My first video was covid.
My second video was marriageadvice.
My third video was was the, andI think it was like christmas
parades.
It was titled like christmasparades.
Well, yeah, because that guy.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
That guy ran his car into the.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Christmas parade.
So teeth not fixed?
Yeah, so if you go back?
So I had a chipped tooth, myfront tooth was chipped.
Wait, where is that?
I got the wrong one.
My front tooth was chipped whenI first started the show and I
probably would have left ituntil I saw my face on camera
and I was like I cannot, thereis no way.
(48:37):
Like when you see somebodythat's bad teeth on camera, I
was like there's no way, I don'tcare.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Vanities, vanities, yes, vanities.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
I took a loan out of my annuity to pay for my teeth.
That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Betty wishes he waited for the boat engine to
crap out.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Oh my gosh, oh man, oh man.
I could have took a loan for myannuity for that instead of my
teeth.
That's so stupid still payingthese stupid teeth off I got
like a year left on payments formy stupid teeth.
I think it was worth it, thoughmy wife likes my smile better,
(49:18):
so that's enough.
Oh god, I'm simping again.
Yeah, um so, uh, all right soalso you also just took the
lord's name.
Goodness, I can't.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I'm sorry, guys, I apologize, you will never get a
polished, uh unrealistic view ofus guys we are what you see,
yeah, tooth usually.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Well, robert, the thing is, I'm paying.
I'm paying the interest tomyself, though.
That's why I took the annuityloan, because the annuity loan,
you're paying yourself worsethan the tooth fairy.
You're paying yourself theinterest.
So if you take a loan from yourannuity, you are paying a four
percent interest, but you pay itto yourself like you're paying
(50:09):
it to your own annuity.
So it's not I.
That's why I did it that way.
Thank you, mr c.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I said gosh so now we're simping for anthony.
Really I said gosh, come on Isaid gosh, everybody's
scandalized.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Um, yeah, I'm guys.
I hope I didn't say I got onafans in here.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Um all right, so no, I probably shouldn't show paul's
all right, let's do.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Let's do this idiot at the uh coldplay concert I'm
sure you guys also anybody's ontwitter, you saw this today.
It was every other tweet.
Was this idiot, but I thoughthis statement was interesting.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
No, not the fake one on twitter.
Right there was a fakestatement, but I his Not the
fake one.
On Twitter there was a fakestatement, but I have his real
statement.
The fake one was funny though.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I saw his real statement, which is so nuts.
His real statement was almostworse than the fake one.
The fake one's actually kind offunny.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Okay, I got the video For anybody that hasn't seen it
.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
This is pretty wild.
So this is at a Coldplayconcert and the Kiss Cam comes
up, which is bad enough, rightthere.
Yeah, the Kiss Cam comes up,yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Oh, look at these two .
That's the moment.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
All right, Uh-oh what .
Either they're having an affairor they're just very shy.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh my God, I have a question, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Can you believe these two morons?
First off, I'm not saying heshould have done this, but like
if they would have just stoodthere, like they would have got
away with it.
They would have got away ifthey just played it out, like
(51:57):
just they would just kepttalking.
But as soon as he saw his dumbface on camera hugging her, he
would, because the shame, theshame, shame.
That's what it is.
The shame hit right and theaudio is actually hilarious
because the lead singer ofcoldplay is like they're either
having an affair or they're veryshy and it turns out.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
You know, you know it was an affair.
The second you see what Iassume to be the co-worker
standing right next to them withthat face and so what's crazy
is okay.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
So new uh astron astronomer CEO caught on camera
with his HR chief.
So she's the human relationschief who's supposed to be
making sure there's noinappropriate relationships at
work.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
As someone in HR, this does not surprise me, no.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Rob's got a funny HR story from work on the locals.
We'll do it on locals.
Can't do it here.
We'll do it on locals.
I'll bring it here on locals.
I'll bring it up.
I'll remind you, don't worry oh, I don't know if I can do it on
locals even hey, they're notlocals.
All right, maybe not all right.
So astronomer ceo caught oncamera with his hr chief during
a coldplay concert in boston.
The pair was seen rushing tocover their faces in horror when
(53:07):
they realized they were on thebig screen.
Oh what?
Either they're having an affairor they're very shy, said uh,
cold plays chris martin.
According to the hr chief'slinkedin, she has trust with
employees of all levels from.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Someone's wife's water just broke right now and
they're on the way to theirhospital.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
So everyone say a couple prayers for christian,
his wife and their child uh, ifthat's the christian I know
christian's blind and I don'tknow who's driving the other
christian I know just gotmarried on saturday, so probably
well, if this is the christianI know christian is blind.
I don't know who's driving hiswife to the hospital right now.
I hope it's not her, because ifshe her broke and she's driving
(53:49):
to the hospital, that's a roughone.
A woman I mean never mind Right.
A woman driving and in laborthat never made me get there.
Prayers for you guys, Christian.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
If he's blind, it might still be best for him to
drive Christian don't crush itto the wind.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Get behind the wheel.
Don't let that woman drive youto the hospital.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Let the Holy Spirit guide you, sir.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Oh okay, woman driving to the hospital, let the
holy spirit guide you, sir.
Oh okay, he's not the blind one, just a man.
You don't know me.
Okay, we have a.
We have a fan, christian, who'sblind.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
So many baby.
Who else is having a babytonight?
Speaker 3 (54:25):
riley says so many babies tonight so, um, according
to hr chief's linkedin, she hastrust with employees of all
levels, from ceos to managers toassistants.
Now, um, they're both married.
Sure she has the ceo's trust?
Yeah, well, that's the irony ofit, right, so, um?
So now the ceo put out astatement and he says I want to
(54:50):
acknowledge the moment that'sbeen circulating online and the
disappointment it's caused.
What was supposed to be a nightof music and joy turned into a
deeply personal mistake playingout on a very public stage.
I want to sincerely apologizeto my wife, my family and the
team at astronomer.
You deserve better for me as apartner, as a father and as a
leader.
This is not who I want to be orhow I want to represent the
(55:13):
company I helped build.
I'm taking time to reflect, totake accountability and to
figure out the next steps,personally and professionally.
I ask for privacy as I navigatethis process.
Now, if he had just left itthere?
I mean, if he had just left itthere.
This is why, look, you guysthink I'm joking.
You guys think I'm joking.
You guys think I'm joking.
(55:33):
I don't think you're joking.
I think you're delusional.
I need to start avoidingBabylon public relations crisis
management, because I will tellyou people how to handle these
things, because if you wouldhave just left it there, you
would have been fine, just leaveit there.
But he has to throw his littlequip in at the end to completely
(55:55):
negate everything he just said,which was.
I also want to express howtroubling it is that what should
have been a private momentbecame public without my you
were in public you idiot.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
How stupid can you be ?
You were, were in public.
It's by definition not private.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Oh man, how okay.
So I want to express howtroubling it is that what I,
what should have been a privatemoment, became a public without
my consent.
I respect artists andentertainers, but I hope we can
all think more deeply about theimpact of turning someone else's
life into a spectacle.
As a friend once saying, lightswill guide you home and ignite
(56:36):
your bones, and I will try tofix you, andy.
I don't know what the hell thatwas that.
Oh, is that andy from buzz,lightyear or something?
Speaker 2 (56:44):
what no?
Speaker 3 (56:45):
his name is andy brian oh, I thought it was like
a buzz I imagine that's a quotefrom.
Coldplay oh, maybe I need tohave a PR firm.
Look, if I had a PR firm,lifesite would have came out of
this, where LifeSite would havehad a brand new mission, and
(57:06):
they'd have been fine, johnHenry.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
West also.
It really was just theiroriginal mission.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
Regardless, they both would have came out John Henry
West and got out a nice solocareer.
Lifesite News would have beendoing their thing.
Everybody would have been happy.
No, no, nothing bad happened.
Now look, I'm going to saysomething else.
Why?
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I don't know why you came up with Buzz Lightyear,
Andy.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
I don't know, Andy was a kid know and buzz
lightyear first off, it's toystory you know he was a kid in
toy story.
He's been here, stop it.
So I'm not saying I should havedone this, but I could have
helped alex harado also not thatI should have, but I could have
(57:52):
, and in fact I think never mind, I won't even say but I could
have.
I could have helped him curatea statement.
That would have salvagedsomething, because these people
just don't understand how publicperception works none of them
do.
They all just like everythingthis guy said how I want to
express how troubling it is thatwhat I, what should have been a
(58:14):
private moment, became publicwithout my consent.
Are you out of your mind?
Like you're cheating on yourwife and your?
Speaker 2 (58:23):
your gripe is that your spot was blown well, that's
similar to another statementwe've heard recently.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
That's what I mean.
Like think about your wife.
Right now You're more upsetthat your spot was blown than
what you actually did.
It's not, oh my gosh, I cannotbelieve.
Like.
You destroyed two families.
You, selfish POS.
You destroyed two families.
(58:51):
You ruined your children forlife.
Your children Look when peoplecheat.
It's not just that the parentsseparate, it's that you taught
your kids that if somethingfeels good like you, go and do
whatever.
Feel like you don't make anysacrifice for anything.
(59:14):
You go and do what you want todo.
You make yourself feel good,screw everybody around you.
You don't make any sacrificesfor anybody.
It's just about you Like that'sjust the lesson you teach your,
your children.
You scarred your wife.
Your wife's now going to goleave and she's probably going
to end up with some other guyand then she's going to get run
through by man after man and nowyour daughters are going to
watch your wife get just runthrough by other men and your
(59:36):
daughters are going to have nochance at a successful and that
monogamous marriage Do you know?
Speaker 2 (59:41):
the rates of sexual abuse by stepfathers.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
Oh, yeah, yeah, it depends on how old his kids are.
Yeah, like when you talk about,when you talk about, uh, abuse
in the home, a lot of it is stepparents, because these women
don't know the men that they'regetting themselves involved with
.
It's not the, it's not the realfather of the child.
I mean, you see it all the time, especially if you have a girl
who's seven or eight, when the,when the new guy comes in and
then he's watching the girlbecome a teenager, like that's
(01:00:07):
not his blood.
He's sitting there.
He's why he's men.
Modern men are disgusting.
They're disgusting creeps.
Ladies, it is very difficult tofind a man who is not a
disgusting creep in the modernage.
It just is.
I mean, I don't know man, I'mso worried about my daughters,
you have no idea.
(01:00:28):
It's just, I'm just so worriedabout them.
Um, but this is going to leadinto a very important
conversation that we're going tohave on locals.
We're at the one hour mark.
Uh, if you guys are not localsubscribers, I want you guys to
come over there, even if you doa single time episode.
This might be the episode youwant to check out.
It's going to be a good one.
(01:00:48):
Um, I want to discuss.
I want to discuss likesomething deeper's going to be a
good one I want to discuss.
I want to discuss like somethingdeeper about the Alex Harado
situation.
Not necessarily about him, butthe what is going on when we
commit sexual sin.
It's it's not simply justyou're giving into your lower
appetites.
It's not simply just thatyou're being selfish.
(01:01:10):
It's something much deeper andit's why it's why there's a very
strong line for sexual sin whenpeople are the public speaking
face for Catholicism.
So we're going to get into that.
We're also going to Rob and Ihave a little bit of a different
perspective on the life sitething.
But I don't want to do that onlocals either, because I don't
want it to seem like we'retaking sides.
(01:01:31):
So if you guys are not Localsmembers, this is definitely a
good show to come and check usout.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I don't think we should use the other intro even
then, but it was funny.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
No, we can do it on Locals.
Taffy made a very okay, let meget it ready real quick.
Get it ready, taffy.
Taffy made an intro that we I'mlike we can't play that, but I
think we can do it for thelocals audience.
Yeah, we'll do it on localstaff.
We got you.
So, yeah, we have a bit of adifferent perspective on the
(01:02:01):
life site thing and and yeah,we'll do the gun story also,
because I had a very crazyincident happen on my work site
a year or two ago if you guysare new to the show where a guy
was arrested at my like.
We came into work one morningand SWAT was there and this,
(01:02:21):
like our whole yard was getting.
There was a search warrant.
We were told we had to waitoutside, we couldn't come in and
they raided our yard and I'llexplain that story.
So join us over on locals.
I think that's about it.
That's all we have to promote,like and subscribe.
Share this video with yourfriends.
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We will see you guys on theother side.
Rob, take us out, thank you.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.