Diocese of Charlotte Nukes the TLM: Are We Sill Living in the Francis Era?

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Sancte, sancte, amare morti, decadast nos In taste,

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they're a-fearing.
There we go, wait, where's mark?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
here I am.
What's up, guys?
That's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
What's up, fellas?
Everybody in avoiding baby.
It's been a hot minute.
It's good to see you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's been a long time .

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
How we doing Good, good.
How many shows have you guysdone in the last year?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
So this year we're doing more content than we did
last year, because last year wedid zero.
No, we didn't do zero, we'vealready done 100 more shows than
we did last year.
I don't know.
We're gonna do a show on nicaeaand they're gonna start that.
I'm going on vacation next weekand when I get back, my plan I

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wasn't invited, but whateverthat off.
No, because we want to actuallydo the show.
So if I actually invite you,you'll be like oh, I'm wrestling
that night.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Or, or, let me get back to you every single time.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I don't know.
I love you.
I'm teasing you, man.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well, I do that in every aspect of my life.
Somebody asked me something andI'm like I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I don't like to commit right away, without
thinking know is that a texasthing, or is that a jason thing?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
that's a jason thing, man, anything no you know it
was like my friends used toalways joke when, when I would,
when I would eat food, somebodyasked me how it was, my answer
is always it's all right, it'sall right.
And one time and one timesomebody was kind of getting
annoyed, I guess, guess, and myone of my really good friends.
He was like just let me tellyou something, jason.
If it's all right, it means heliked it.
He'll tell you if it's bad.

(02:29):
If he says all right, it meansit was good.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, so it's kind of like.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
It's kind of like, I'll let you know.
When he asked me about a time,I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Did your wife.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
I'll let you know I can't, I can't commit yet or
he'll do this, he'll do this.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Uh, how about wednesday?
Is wednesday work and you'll go?
Yeah, wednesday works, and whoknows?
Okay, I'll get back to you.
Let me see, wait what.
He says that to me not the bestpodcast partner no, you are,
you are man, you are absolutely.
For those of you, anybody whodoesn't follow our show, we're
called text katherine.

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Go look us up and follow usplease, because, uh, I think for
what we've have been able to do, I was actually going back and
listening to some old shows andI was like so it's not bad, not
great either.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
They used to be the trad man.
But then jason went serum,right, yeah, right.
So yeah, for any of you whodon't know, these guys were here
on like that'll be our third,third trivia episode ever yeah,
at least in the chat yeah, oh,oh, man, I'm not paying
attention to the chat.
Chat, what do you do?

(03:39):
Okay, they're not spelling whatI thought they were spelling,
they're just spelling beef Rob.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
No, no, oh, I'm sorry .
I'm sorry.
Hey look, I'm just reading thechat.
No, he spelled beef, all right,so we're going to talk about
Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I've been reliably told that I am unqualified to
talk about Charlotte, notbecause I'm not a theologian
right, but because I don't livethere.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
so should we just just should, we just can the
whole main topic, yeah sincewe're not qualified to talk you
imagine a world in which I eversat around waiting on somebody
to give me permission to have anopinion about a damn thing if I
wanted to have an opinion onthe best way to fly an f-14
tomcat?
You don't have to like it, youdon't have to listen to it, you

(04:33):
don't even have to agree with it, but I get to have it and
there's nothing you or anybodyelse can do about it well,
what's here?
I might not have ever flown it,but hey, doesn't mean you can't
have an opinion, that's true andeven if you're not allowed to,
I'm gonna have it anyway, andthere's not a darn thing in the
world any of you can do about it.

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Now, what you got to say aboutthat, you bunch?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
of.
I bet you I could do somethingabout it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Whatever by the way, I have to say the degree to
which you guys think about us isvery strange and sick and weird
.
I mean, I don't like the NovusOrdo Mesa either.
I've never in my life taken anyconcrete steps to take it away
from anybody.
It's so weird and creepy.
I'm sorry.
What a sad, pathetic loseryou've become.

(05:19):
You actually Now listen to this.
They don't hate the traditionalLatin mass, they hate that.
You love it.
Who are you talking about,creepy?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
and actually now listen to this.
They don't hate the traditionallatin mass.
They wait a minute they hatethat.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
You love it.
Who are you talking about?
Creepy and weird.
All the people who want to takeaway the traditional modernists
are modernists marks

Speaker 1 (05:34):
modernists are a big chunk of this.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I certainly think it has its theological and
ideological roots in inmodernism, to be sure, but I
just think man touch grass, manGet a life, see a therapist.
It's so bizarre the degree towhich you're obsessed with us.
We have no power in theCatholic Church, as you never
tire of letting us know everysecond of every day, and yet

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when all of your stupid planscome to nothing, it's always our
fault.
We did that to you and I'm justwondering name me a single
bishop that's ever taken awayyour Novus Ordo.
You can't, not one.
We don't think about you at allthat much.
I mean, my goodness, we havelives of other things going on.
It's so bizarre.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Touch grass.
I was wondering how long it wasgoing to take.
I would have bet 10 minutes.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
I was wondering how long it was going to take, I
would have bet 10 minutes, notDude.
We didn't make it two.
No, not even close.
He ain't done.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's the problem he ain't done.
I'm not going to say anythingbecause I know he's just getting
wound up.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
You invited me on the show man.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
What do you have to say about?
What is it, Jason, that placein Rome?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Oh, the pontifical yeah, what do you think about?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I just think, like it's like the harvard of the
catholic church.
It's such a like these, these,these people who go there.
They can't wait to tell youthat they went to the gregorian
and every single one of thembelieve in the weirdest things
like cosmic christs and Omegapoints and all these bizarre T
chart, tr to Shardini and ideas,and they'll tell you about the
genius of Henri de Lubiac andand Carl Ronner.

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And I'm just thinking, I don'tknow, I find those people
insufferable.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I think that places the Kremlin on the Tiber, should
we read the decree from thebishop?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
in Hawaii.
Let's hear it Absolutely.
Why shouldn't we?

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Oh my God yes, you go for it.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
If I had time, I would have translated it.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
This says smart water , but this is pure vodka.
I'm just ready for the showtonight.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
You came full Irish tonight.
Huh yeah, For everyone used tothe italian on this show you you
get no italian tonight.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
You get irish tonight .
Pull up irish and english.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, oh my goodness, and then whatever jason is 100
texan.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
100 texan aka half mex, that's right.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's right.
That makes a lot of sense.
Okay, let me pull up this.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I can't imagine anyone in our audience doesn't
know about this, right?
Well, so apparently back in2023, the bishop in Charlotte
said he was going to put thekibosh on the Latin mass and it
was supposed to be scheduled tohappen in like October of this
year, correct?
And then this new guy comes inearly April and just nukes it
right.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, I guess let's read this and we'll go.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
All right, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Okay, why Jason?

Speaker 4 (08:43):
No, no, I was just going to ask it.
May answer it in here, becauseI I mean I read it earlier, but
I don't remember.
Does he say why he moved up thetimetable on it?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
uh, I'm not sure, and so we will speculate wildly,
let's hear it adrian, I've gotideas I've got.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Can't read that comment, ad Adrian, but okay.
So this is from.
This is directly from theoffice of Michael Martin, the
Bishop of Charlotte, and so itsays in July of 2021, francis
published his moda proprio,traditiones Custodis, which
restored limits on thecelebration of the traditional
Latin Mass.

(09:20):
That's in mass.
My predecessor, bishop PeterJugis, requested and received an
extension for the Diocese ofCharlotte in order to arrange an
orderly transition.
That temporary extensionexpires this year and I am now
ready to finish the diocese'simplementation of the norms

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established in TraditionalsCustodius.
So, effective July 8th, the TLMwill no longer be celebrated at
parish churches in the Dioceseof Charlotte.
So, in accordance with TC, heis designating a chapel in the
diocese where TLM goers maygather for the celebration on
Sundays and Holy Days ofObligation using the Missal of
62.

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The chapel set aside for thispurpose happens to be a former
Protestant church that thediocese have been renting out
for events, so we'll take a lookat photos of that later.
A priest of the diocese will beappointed as chaplain to be
responsible for celebrating twoSunday Masses and Holy Day

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Masses using the 1962 RomanMissal.
Those who are interested inparticipating in the TLM will
remain members of their currentparishes.
Okay, here's the bottom.
This is the best part.
It is my heartfelt desire andprayer that this implementation
of Traditionus Custodis willfurther promote the conquered in

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unity of the church.
It is done such a great job.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I like how he put it in quotes, because he knows it's
BS.
That's great.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Among the people of God and the diocese of Charlotte
, so that, as Jesus prayed tohis father, we may all be one.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, and that's how they betray.
They've been betraying our Lordlike that all the time.
They always kiss him on thecheek, lord, like that, all the
time they always kiss him on thecheek.
It's always like gotta be some,it's vagued in in some weird
sense of wanting to be hisfriend, and and it's just so
twisted and sick.
Let me tell you something, uh,to the people who are behind
this, to the bishop of charlotteyeah, this will be the thing
that'll do it, way to go, yeah.

(11:18):
Yeah, the traditional massisn't good.
It survived francis, it's gonnasurvive you too.
You are.
This is so pathetic, and so Ithink it might be even a
desperation move, like maybe heknows something's about to be
rehabilitated with this new pope, and so he's trying to go
scorched earth before anythingcomes out.
I don't know.

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I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
The timing is weird, though for me like so some
people think he, the bishop,must have went to Rome and
gotten permission to do itbeforehand.
I think, more likely, from whatI've seen, I think it's this
bishop and his ilk for lack of abetter term trying to force

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Pope Leo right, because Leohasn't had to deal with it yet.
They don't know how he's goingto respond.
So if they didn't go and getpermission to do this and I have
a feeling they probably didn'tthen oh chat, okay, thank you.
Then I think it's more likelythat they're trying to force
Leo's hand to see where heactually stands on this issue.

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Is he going to just ignore itand stands on this issue?
Is he gonna just ignore it andlet it happen?
Is he going to?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think the issue needs to be addressed because
francis's ideology behind I mean, I've read trevithian as
custodians, backwards andforwards, and I'm telling you,
whatever reasoning he gives him,that doesn't even hold up to
any remote set.
It doesn't make any sense.
I mean, let me give you anexample.
Okay, let me give you anexample of one thing that's got
to be addressed If you're goingto make sense of any of this.

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My position and this is notsomething I've invented I've
basically heard from Dr PeterKwasniewski.
I heard his argument and I sortof agree with what he's saying.
The traditional Latin mass, aswe call it, is the Roman right
and everything else is somethingelse.
Okay, now, I agree with that.
Okay, it seems like franciskind of does too, because you

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read and try to see on hiscustodians.
He says how can people say thatthe missile of paul vi is not
the roman right when it containsthe very thing that makes it
the roman right, the roman canon.
And I went now hold up.
Now, hang on, did he just saythat every mass that uses
eucharistic prayer number two isnot the Roman rite?

(13:28):
That sounds very close to whatI believe.
There are so many threads thatif you just tug on them just a
little bit, the whole thingunravels and it doesn't make any
sense.
And it's got to make sense atsome point.
And the Catholic Church justkeeps digging itself deeper into
this.
At no point in 1962 did anybodylisten to anybody who said, hey,

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this is a huge change.
Is it possible there might besome unintended consequences
here?
That discussion was simplynever even allowed.
That's very strange and alittle naive.
And so they keep diggingthemselves into this hole and
eventually the hole is going tocollapse on top of them because
none of anything they're sayingmakes sense.

(14:13):
It's all just well, put a gunto your head and you'll do it,
or else.
So how long can you really dothat before that collapses?
How well did that work with thebiden health scandal thing?
It's all out now, and everybodywho said it wasn't is now
running for cover and trying to.
You know it wasn't me.
I was always on your side onthis and it's not going to be

(14:35):
different this time.
It's going to work out exactlythe same it has every single
time.
Why did Cain kill Abel?
Because God accepted Abel'ssacrifice and he didn't accept
Cain's.
And rather than Cain go backand do it the right way.
He got angry, bitter, miserableand resentful and killed his
brother.
Now he has two problems.

(14:57):
It's not gonna get better, guys.
This isn't gonna be the thingthat does it.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
So anyway you know, I heard a lot of people talking
today about you know, and weeven read in the memo here that
this isn't the.
It was Bishop Martin, right,that's his name.
Yes, bishop Martin's doing.
He's just carrying on what hispredecessor had already

(15:22):
implemented and done, right,like he had no ability to stay
this or whatever the case may be.
And you know, I kind of, insome ways I'm like, okay, well,
if you want to make thatargument, that's fine, but the
problem is later in the memo,the internal memo that was sent
out, about how to answerquestions.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Which we will go over .

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, so, but that was nothing.
When I read that over half ofthat is just gaslighting.
It's just gaslighting people,it's adding fuel to the fire,
like you're almost trying toforce people to react in a way
that justifies what you did, soyou could say, look I.
I said I'm doing this for unity.
They're all mad're protesting,they're sending petitions or

(16:03):
whatever the case may be.
But I felt like the memo wasone of those cases where a
husband beats his wife and islike, well, this is for your own
good and it was just puregaslighting.
And it really added to mythought process that he wasn't
just carrying on what hispredecessor did.

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Bishop Martin wants this tohappen.
It's part of his ruling now,basically.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
And so as bishop he definitely could have gone to
the Vatican for an extension.
I mean, my own bishop went tothe Vatican so our initial
dispensation to keep one TLM ina parish church in our diocese
expired last October.
Our bishop went to the Vatican,under Francis even, and got an

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extension for at least anothertwo years.
Their original dispensation wasset to expire this October.
Then it looks like BishopMartin didn't even try to get an
extension on it.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's what it looks like from the outside at least.
I mean, he's the bishop.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
He can do whatever he wants Right.
For instance, down inMinneapolis-St Paul, archbishop
Hebda, the parish I grew up in,he designated an oratory for the
TLM.
Then that mass can stay at thatnow oratory instead of a parish
church, according totraditionalist custodians, all

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the things they have to do for aproblem that they created of
their own doing.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Ugh, you just can't tell them it's not going to work
this time either.
This isn't going to be thething either.
You know, I don't know.
It's very strange.
We're playing some weird gameswith the sacraments, guys, and
one day we're going to reap awhirlwind for it.
But it makes sense that the see, every heresy is really a
battle for the soul ofChristendom.
Right Will truth prevail, orwill error win the day?

(18:06):
Okay, now we know how it'sgoing to work, we know how it's
going to end up, but nonetheless, every battle against every
heresy is a battle for the soulof the church, and this is the
ultimate one.
Modernism is a synthesis of allheresies.
That's Pope.
St Pius X said so, and so whatis this about?
It's about the mass.
It's going to come down to abattle for the mass.

(18:27):
This is about good versus evil.
There is nothing that drivesSatan more crazy than eating at
the Lord's table.
It's been that way since 33 AD.
It's not going to be, and I'mtelling you, christ will triumph
.
You guys are all lining up withdead men.
I don't understand it.
History is full of you know.

(18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Well, the comment that Rob just had, the one right
before that one, let me go backup here and see if I can find
it.
Yeah.
So again, you know he claimsthere's no reason for an
additional extension and wouldonly make this process more
painful.
Again, I read that and y'allknow me I wouldn't qualify what

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you would call a hardcore trad.
Right to me, this isn't evenhonest Going for an extension to
a group of people that you'reobviously going to hurt.
You know their parish life andeverything else.
It's almost like, even if youfail at it, you would like to

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see your bishop try to go to batfor you, right?
So to me, when he says therewas no reason for him to even go
for an additional extension, itsends a message to me
personally, I don't really carethat much, so we actually have
his answer right here.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
First off, so this document itself is ridiculous.
So this is a document thediocese sent out to.
It looks like they're priests,or at least like the
communications officers.
So this is basically like theofficial talking points.
It's like uh, the, it's likePravda from the, from the Soviet

(20:15):
Right.
Right, it's what they'reallowed to say.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
So let's read what uh , Bishop probably contains about
as much truth as that newspaperused to also.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah.
So let's read what BishopMartin says, why he didn't ask
for another extension.
It says an extension is atemporary accommodation for a
particular purpose.
The only purpose for anextension in the Diocese of
Charlotte at this time is toallow those who prefer the
teatom to continue to celebratethe mass in that form in the
four parish churches where it'scurrently being offered.

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That is not the purpose of anextension.
Why wouldn't it be?
Regardless of when we do this,it will be painful for our
faithful pope francis knew thatwhen he probably get a tc and
still establish limiting norms.
Asking for extensions when noneare warranted only prolongs the
pain.
And I have the other, the painand uncertainty to these

(21:05):
faithful.
Other bishops can have theirown reasoning that does not
necessarily speak to the realityin Western North Carolina.
In other words, screw you.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
What qualifies in his mind as a reason that warrants
his petition.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I think I'm more horrified by what he stated.
The actual reason was and thisgoes back to what I'm saying
there's no problem they havewith the liturgy.
They don't know enough aboutliturgy to have a problem with
the TLM.
It goes down to it's those whoprefer it.
It's you.
They don't like you.

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They don't like people like you.
They don't think people likeyou are cool enough to belong to
their church.
You know, and you keep talkingabout this Nazarene carpenter
guy and all of his moralteachings we're beyond all of
those things.
We're morally superior to theSon of God, and the traditional
Latin mass stands as a starkreflection that we are not that,

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and so it's got to beeliminated so that we can
continue in our delusion ofourselves.
I like taking joy away frompeople.
That's what he wrote.
He wrote it right there.
I like to take joy away frompeople because I'm an angry,
bitter, miserable modernistfreak that cannot stand that you
have joy and I don't.
He just wrote it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
The only purpose for an extension would be to allow
those who prefer the TLM tocontinue to celebrate masses in
their parishes.
Yeah, correct, right, exactly.
That's the point.
Why would you not want that?
Because he hates you?
Because, yeah, I mean, that'sthe point.
Why would you?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
not want that because he hates you, because, yeah,
that means that's bottom line,basically, and that's so weird
when you think about the factthat he doesn't even know any of
these people personally um, somark, if you, if you don't like
that part there's, there's,there's parts you're really not
going to like.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
You haven't read the document today at all, Mark.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I try not to.
I try to the gaslighting.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
I was talking about wait till you get to 1 through 5
.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Sometimes I'm not even mad at it, I'm just like
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
You don't seem mad.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, sometimes you can't get mad, sometimes it's
just so.
The other day I saw anInstagram clip of a Novus Ordo
parish where they were.
The priest was attempting tobaptize a dog and I just thought
you know, when you see that yougo, you can't even be mad at
you, just like touche Satan.
Okay, I see game, recognizedgame, because that's amazing,

(23:47):
like good, like you got torecognize a job well done.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I'm sure there are motu proprio's coming.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
I'm sure that's what it is Go to heaven.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Implementation of TC will only cause more division.
It may even cause people toleave the church.
So here's his response to that.
It is clear that Francis'sconsultation through the CDF, in
other words that survey thatthey say they sent out to all
the bishops and most bishopseither say they didn't get it or

(24:12):
they answered it differentlythan the answers that they
shared afterwards.
So they're right away using ajustification that everyone
already knows is false, likeeveryone knows that that survey
was sent out was bogus, a lie, alie, exactly 100%.
It was a lie, anyways,believing that allowing a more

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widespread celebration at theTLM was causing more division
universally in the church.
While it is sad that some mayleave the church, it appears
that the direction of the CDFrecommended and Pope Francis
required was implemented tocause less division over the
long term.
The truth of that directionremains to be seen and may be
addressed differently bysubsequent popes.
While it is sad that some mayleave the church, I as a bishop

(24:58):
don't give half a damn that weare going to lose souls.
That is what he is saying.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So I think there's something that I don't think a
lot of people really understand.
I think a lot of people thinkthat modernists don't believe in
the one true church, theCatholicity of the one true
church.
That is not true.
They do, but you have tounderstand what they mean by
that when they say that whatmodernists believe is that all
the world's religions areerroneous, including the

(25:25):
Catholic one.
Right, but they all containelements of truth and things
like that.
And so what will happeneventually is all the religions
will merge into one conglomerate, amalgam thing, and that will
truly be the Catholic Church,because it will truly be one
universal religion.
It's absurd, this is absurd.
This is what they think of theGregorian okay religion.

(25:46):
It's absurd, this is absurd.
This is what they think of thegregorian okay.
So when they, when they listen,when, when they see the decline
in the catholic church, they donot look at the novus ordo and
go, wow, this thing's got a hugeflaw in it.
It's causing the faithful toleave.
They don't see that as a flaw,they see it as a feature.
The destruction of theevisceration of the catholic
church is the point.
You leaving is the point.
You leaving is the whole point.

(26:06):
That's why I'm not goinganywhere.
I'm staying just to just tocause them grief, because they
would love nothing more than forme to leave.
And I'm not going anywhere.
The day I hand the Catholicchurch over to these people is
the day I will have a tag on mytoe.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah.
So, adrian, we're going to getto the, the last part, where he
tells the tlm people that theyneed to do penance, which is
ironic because because him inthe moderns don't don't see
that's, that's pure psychopathy.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
That's it really is hey, that's mark, it gets better
.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It gets better, trust me good, it could always get
stupider.
I know that oh better drew, yousaid the tlm subject should not
become a political football.
I totally agree, butunfortunately, the catholic
church has decided to pursuethis course, where they will
allow it and not allow it every10 years.
That's not a decision that wemade.
I think it's a really stupididea to do that.

(27:00):
But the popes have decided todo this again, digging the hole
deeper and making the probleminfinitely worse.
I kid.
I don't know why.
I don't know why, if for noother reason, francis should
have looked at, should have notdone, traditiones Custodis,
because he's like they justwrote some more in Pontificum.
It's hard to make the argumentthat we have continuity with the

(27:21):
apostles when we don't evenhave continuity with the last
pope who's still alive.
The catholic church is nowchanging so fast people can't
keep up with it.
No, we're not going to do this,but he didn't do that.
He decided we're going to makethis a deal that every pope has
to deal with and some will allowit and some don't.
I don't know why they did thatyep, okay.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
So here's what.
Here's what they said peoplecan do.
What can people do?
Who find the tlm to be ablessing, find number one, find
ways to see the work of the holyghost and the novice ordo.
Work hard too, given that itmay be more difficult to attend
the tlm.
Yeah, because you can't letthem all.
If we find ourselves holding onto resentment and anger while

(28:06):
attending mass in a form that isnot your preference, the less
we are able to open ourselves tothe gift of god's love that
comes to us in so many diverseways.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
This is after he just banned a mass.
That is not his preference.
I swear you can't make this up.
This is this is so good what?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
why is it all?
The uh, why is it all?
The post-war boomers can holdonto their resentment and anger
and cancel all of our masses,but you can't be just the
tiniest bit upset at them, forit.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Listen, your excellency um, find the nearest
mirror that you can find andstare deeply into it.
The person on the other enddesperately needs your help.
Okay, Seek.
You know, seek, help.
I don't know if you're nottaking the meds or if they need
to up the dose.
Something's wrong, Something'sbroken in you.
Read what you wrote.
You signed your name to this.
You signed your name to thisand you published it.

(28:54):
You carry your father's name.
Have some respect.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I like number two here Avoid social media where
division is the goal, notcommunion.
Avoid social media where youmight hear the truth instead of
our Pravda-approved talkingpoints.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Where people are allowed to post what they think.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Unbelievable Reach out to a priest or pre-approved
spiritual Okay, he doesn't saypre-approved, but this is what
he means.
I was about to say but Reachout to a priest or spiritual
director to walk with you onyour journey.
No, I'm sorry, that's gay.
I don't need anyone walkingwith me on my journey.
They can hear my confession.
That's what I need.

(29:35):
I don't Okay.
This last one.
Is this the last one here?

Speaker 4 (29:43):
I thought there was five, but maybe it was just four
.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Renew your faith.
No, there was another one.
Oh, this is unbelievable.
Yeah, this is five.
Okay, renew your faith to theRoman Catholic Church.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Bishop, your Excellency, how about you try to
do that first?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
No sense of self-awareness.
Narcissistic personalitydisorders rarely do that.
That doesn't surprise me in theleast bit, and I'm sorry, I'm
not making rash judgments.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Here's the thing, doc , not me mark marcus said in our
episodes before um, you knowabout this whole.
You know getting communion withvatican ii you've got to
believe.
Do you believe in vatican ii?
How they're always askingwhatever that means, but market
mark is always like how do theyexpect trads to be in communion

(30:30):
and believe in Vatican II whenthey don't even themselves?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, they don't even know anything about it.
Sacrosanctum Concilium is aboutrestoring things.
If you really go back and readthat document not the specific
ideas they had about how to dothat, but the overall spirit and
nature of that document it says, when it comes to the liturgy,
we should restore old thingsthat we know work and discard
innovations that don't.

(30:54):
That is not a ringingendorsement of what has become
the missile of Paul VI, whateveryou want to call that.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
So Well, it is the Romanolic church that we're
commenting on, and we do wedon't have it because it's a
universal church, wherever it is, but we don't live in rome.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Don't be, don't be obtuse joe joe's on.
He's been.
Did you live?
Did you live in poland, in the1940s.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Who are you to say the holocaust is wrong?
Are you out of your mind?
You're getting that's absurd.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
That's absurd, come on it's canceled, mark joe.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Joe is being facetious mark.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Have you ever?
I can't.
I can't do it in the voice ofdouglas murray.
I just can't.
Okay, here we go.
Uh, one of the reasons tc waspromulgated was to stem a
growing tide of tlm adherentswho were denying the validity
and legitimacy of the liturgicalreform dictated by the.
Okay come the novus ordo wasnot dictated by vatican ii it

(32:01):
was a lie another lie ofcomplete fabrication.
Another lie.
Okay, but if you wanted to stema growing tide of people
against that, you all havefailed so terribly look at the
comment here.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Why are you a Catholic?
Were you there in 33 AD?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, exactly, you weren't there.
If you've been to Mass, youwere there.
That's the thing.
If you've been to Mass, then weare there.
We're mystically present.
Yeah, if we're really a part ofthis church, then it doesn't
matter if we're talking aboutthe Catholic Church in Norway,
if we're talking about theCatholic church in in, you know,
norway, if we're talking aboutthe Catholic church in Charlotte

(32:46):
or Houston or anywhere else,it's all it's.
It's the same church.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Mark is not in a joking mood tonight, apparently.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
No, not at all.
When it comes to this topic,the, the, the myths and the lies
have just been allowed to beenjust they on for so long and
they're so infuriating and youjust think, my goodness, is
there?
No, at long last.
At long last, have you nodecency?
I?
I'm reminded of that quote overand over again.
At long last, have you nodecency?

(33:13):
You have degenerated intosomebody who enjoys taking
beautiful things away frompeople.
This, this is a great question,why I would look in the mirror
I mean, I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
are the bishops not concerned about the growing tide
of Novus Ordo adherents whodeny the validity and legitimacy
of basic perennial Catholicism?
Because that's the whole pointof it, that's what they like
about it.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
It's a feature for them.
I don't know why we keeplistening to these people.
They're the weirdest people onearth.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Let's see here.
Many who participate in the TLMare in complete communion with
Vatican too.
How can you be in communionwith an event?
Um, pretty sure you can only bein communion with other people,
right?
Um, let's see here there arethose?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
what did he write?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
let me, where is that uh many people are in the
diocese of charlotte, are incomplete communion with vatican
ii.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Oh, incomplete communion yep, they're in and
they're an incomplete communionwith vatican ii.
No, they're incomplete.
Oh they are.
I'm looking for it in the, inthe actual is it 5 or are you in
4 still?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
.5 is going to get you more riled up, don't worry
we'll get there, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Maybe do a TLM.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Many who participate in the TLM and the Diocesan
Church are in complete communionwith Vatican II Magisterium of
the Church for Supreme Pontiffsand do not deny legitimacy of
liturgical reform.
However, there are those who dodeny these truths.
This is evidence mostfrequently in social media posts
.
Yeah, they deny the truths.
I'm sorry that ourcongregations aren't perfect.
I'm glad you don't have that.

(35:00):
People who were annoying there.
That's only something you'regoing to find in other people's
parishes.
If you really believe that,then you are the person who is
like that.
If you really believe that man,talk about a Pharisee.
Thank you, lord, for not makingme like these people.
Holy cow man, have you evereven read the bible?
Your excellency and all youradvanced theological training?
It's basic.

(35:21):
You sound, listen to yourselfwhen you say these things and
you sign your name to them.
These german bishops signstatements and they sign their
names to statements sayingthey're morally superior to
jesus.
Can you imagine such a thing?
Can you imagine that?
That's insane.
That's the most insane thingI've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I find, when I'm riled up like Mark is now, what
really helps calm me down is agood glass of red wine from
Requisites Cellars.
So make sure you all head overto requisite sellerscom and use
code based at checkout for 10%off.
And uh, it's summer, so theyalso sell fruit.

(36:03):
And uh, head over and buy somefruit too, along with your wine,
Cause let me tell you what thebishops like these.
You're going to need a lot morewine in your life, but,
ironically, what's what's funnyis the bishops wouldn't use this
wine for mass because it's notinvalid matter like the sangria
they prefer to use in Novus Ordomasses.

(36:25):
Oh my goodness.
So requisitesellerscom everyone.
Yeah, I am literally the worstat this.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
No, that was a good ad read.
I enjoyed that.
That was good.
That was perfect segue too,that was a perfect segue.
Let's go to number five herebecause, wait, wait, I want to
read the last part here.
All of us can call him the Holyspirit to go beyond our
personal preferences.
You know, we could all do that,but some of us choose not to.
In the heart of communion thatis made manifest in the
sacrifice of the holy eucharist,we could all do that, you're
right, um.

(37:00):
This is a.
The ironic thing about this isthis would have been a great
letter for somebody to havewritten to him, um, and and I I
would encourage him to read alittle bit of his.
Take a little bit of his ownpastoral advice here, um, stop
denying truths.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
I don't know.
So the, so the invalid winecomment.
It was found, I forget what.
There was a um, well, threeparishes, right, because now
they, they couldn't all surviveon their own.
So at some tri parish center, Ithink around k Kansas city, was
found to be using something,something like sangria that had

(37:42):
added it wasn't just a puregrape wine, add some fruit juice
in it.
So that was invalid matter andthey had been using it for many,
many years.
So every mass done in that triparish center for many years was
an invalid mass.
And we're not saying that thenovus ordo as a whole is invalid

(38:02):
, that's a whole other argument.
But all of those masses werewere invalid I think we
understand.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I think we understand now why they're constantly on
us about that validity question,even though it's very rarely,
very rarely do you ever hearsomebody talk about the, the
validity of theus Ordo.
But they are obsessed with thefact that we don't think that we
got to sign all these loyaltyO's and all these weird
statements and make all theseweird pledges that you better
not challenge the validity.
I guess we understand we'reconcerned about that, weren't we

(38:31):
?
Because we kind of they knew itthe whole time and were
terrified that we'd find outabout it.
That's going to be the nextscandal that breaks that like
90% of the sacraments areinvalid or whatever.
That's going to be in the nextone, and that'll be our fault
too, don't worry.
That'll be something that thetraditionalists did to the
church and you know we'll getpunished accordingly, I'm sure.
Yeah, right.

(38:58):
So, mark, mark, you want to.
You want to read number fivehere?
Okay, engage in some acts ofpenance and charity for the
healing of the church.
The more we go outsideourselves, the nature of love,
the less we are tempted todemand that our own needs be the
center of our lives it's funnybecause that second sentence
shows he doesn't know whatpenance is or that he's only

(39:20):
talking about charity.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
He mentions penance and charity, but he only
actually is talking aboutcharity and he doesn't mean
charity in the Catholic sense.
He means charity as in secularcharity.
It seems like that's your, yourBishop, guys.
Well, how are you?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
going to put over what are you supposed to do?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
What are you supposed to?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
what is he telling?
Cause he's not.
He's not telling people to dopenance for a specific issue or
or you know anything thatanybody specifically done he's.
When I read this it seems likehe's saying do penance for just
attending the TLM.
That is how it comes off, right.
I mean, I'm sure I like to givehim the bit of the doubt that

(40:04):
that's not what he literallymeans, but that's the way it
comes off as because there's nolike oh well, you should do
penance if you've causeddisunity in the church or
whatever.
Well, how do you get over yourTLM being taken away?
Do penance if you've causeddisunity in the church or
whatever, saying, well, how doyou get over your tlm being
taken away?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
do penance but not that rigid trad prep penance you
guys are into.
No, no, no, no.
Not eating meat on friday.
That's rigid and old school.
No, your penance.
Your penance is you have to goto such and such pride mass.
We'll be holding in Charlotte,here at this date and time.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
You know.
It's even worse than that,though, because I can always
tell you I'm not going to go tothe pride mass.
Yeah, but this is you tellingme I can't go?
They have absconded with thepatrimony of the church and held
it from us, and they have hadno right to do so.

(41:00):
They're going to pay for it oneday.
And look, you can get mad at me.
I am not the cause of this.
I'm just telling you what'sgoing to happen.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well, I don't know, mark.
They said social media, as sureas.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
God made green apples .
You can listen.
If you don't ask me, ask allthe journos who covered for Joe
Biden for four years.
You can ignore reality, but youcan not ignore the effects of
ignoring reality.
And if it makes you feel betterto get mad at the guys at
Avoiding Babylon or TexCatherner or the people who, the
weirdos who go to the Latinmass, whatever helps you sleep

(41:34):
better at night, it won't changea thing.
You wrote a.
You wrote a kind of a bad mass.
I'm sorry, I wasn't my idea foryou to write this.
I could.
If you would have come to me in1963, if I would have existed
and asked me is this a good idea?
I would have told you, no,there were plenty of people who
did.
You ignored them and did itanyway and it didn't work out.

(41:55):
And it's maybe not everybodyelse's fault.
Some of this may be on you alittle bit.
You know at long last any senseof responsibility over what's
happened in the last 50 years.
Or is it all avoiding Babylon'sfault?
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I mean Anthony's to blame for a lot of things.
Let's not let him off, scottfree.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
But you just want to get that out there.
When mark just said avoidingbabylon, it's not me, it's you.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah towards anthony.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, specifically specifically him yeah, yeah,
exactly I just want to be veryclear on that I mean every
social media's fault.
That's you guys, that's whatyou know everything I'm saying
tonight was given to me byanthony to say I mean.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
So you got an internal memo avoid social media
where division is the goal okaysocial media was invented.
Social media was invented inlike 2012, why was the catholic
church in a 50-year decline, 50years before that?
I mean, do you know?
I'm saying at some point isthere any sense of, hey, some of

(43:10):
this might actually be ourfault maybe not all of it, but
some of it and I think we haveto start with our 50-year
fascination with these weirdos.
Let me tell you something.
May I share something rob withwith your audience on the screen
yeah, yeah, is that?
is that cool?
Can I do that?
Okay, yes, okay, uh, this is aman named pope innocent the 10th
, not a particularly uh am Isharing.

(43:34):
Here we go, pope Innocent X,not a particularly noteworthy
pontiff.
He's more or less noteworthyfor one thing he commissioned
this piece of artwork, theportrait of St Michael, the
Archangel that we're allfamiliar with.
Okay, a great man, but not abad man either.
Okay, this is a portrait of himby Velazquez.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
So not a Pius V, but not a Pius either, not really.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
But I think it's interesting the way to which
modernists would look at apainting like this.
And what do they see?
Now, we know from the catechismthat art is a reflection of the
interior of the artist.
Someone who creates good artwould want to bring beauty and
joy into the art.
That is the purpose of good art, right, to bring beauty and joy

(44:19):
into the into the art, that isthe purpose of good art, right.
Well, so, okay, so that's theway, uh, velasquez envisioned
his holiness pope, innocent, the10th right.
This is the way francis bacon,a famous modernist art artist
from the 1960s, he was, uh, fromthe 1916 and 16, not right not

(44:40):
no, he was not.
He was not an ecclesiasticalartist by any means.
He was, uh, but he was part ofthe modernist art movement.
Not modernism, theologicallyspeaking, okay, but nonetheless,
this is how he, this is how hesaw.
This was his interpretation ofyou know, the I'm trying to find

(45:01):
it here because I do have it.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
You work computers like Anthony?
Yeah, I know I do.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It's pretty bad but Okay, I might as well just show
you this.
I guess that's hisinterpretation.
If you can see that this isFrancis's his interpretation, if
you can see that this isFrancis Bacon's interpretation
of that, that's what's insidehim when he thinks of Pope
innocent the 10th.
Now I want you to imaginehanging something like this in

(45:28):
your home.
No, it's terrified, it's goingto terrify the chain, it's
terrifying me.
But, boy, you put a red hat onsomebody and they will look at
this painting and just go, wow,we got to have that as the
center, we're going to redesignthe church around that.
And I just it's okay to look atthat and go, no, that's ugly,

(45:51):
we're not doing that.
That's absurd, it's notprofound or sophisticated, it
ugly here's the thing, mark, Iknow.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I know for a fact that none of our hierarchy would
ever put art like that on theirwalls, and you know why their
walls are too, too coveredalready with, uh, rub neck
pieces I mean, it's an example.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It's just one example of a myriad of examples the
sculpture that is in the, thebuilding where the Pope gives
his audiences, the one thatterrifies small children.
It terrifies me to look at it.
Who saw that and was like, yeah, that's what's up, that's
what's up, and and, and thatthat doesn't immediately give

(46:32):
you cause to look at somebodysuspect and with concern and
like, whatever?
Well, I'm going off on atangent.
Yeah, mark uses Wikipedia,that's what Lotta Creek gets you
, it's true, it's true.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
You guys want to.
So one thing Charlotte is knownfor is the number of
seminarians they produce isknown for is the number of
seminarians they produce.
Do you want to hear, uh, bishopmartin's concerns about the
number of seminarians that mightbe reduced here, with lots here
.
So what if implementation tcwill reduce the number of

(47:09):
seminarians that are coming tothe diocese of charlotte?
Um, a lot of this is just bs.
Let's see here, here at thevery bottom, any young man who
is only or primarily interestedin the celebration of the tlm is
not, nor has ever been, aviable candidate for ordination
to the transitional diaconate orpriesthood in the diocese of

(47:29):
charlotte.
But you know what?
If're homosexual, send themright on over, we'll take them.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's just unbelievable.
It doesn't answer the questioneither.
No, it doesn't.
You never notice that?
I mean they're concerned.
What if implementation ofTraditionis Custodis reduces the
number of seminarians andinstead he gave you a thing of
well, nobody who's ever appliedbefore and wants to be TLM
exclusive has ever been ordainedin our diocese.
That and wants to be TLMexclusive has ever been ordained
in our diocese.

(47:57):
That wasn't the question weasked.
I mean it wasn't the questionyou just asked yourself.
Your Excellency, this is badwriting.
I mean, you're an educated man.
This is bad writing.
You should have somebody reviewthis.
You really should have aneditor, because I know you
modernists all think you're themost brilliant things that have
ever walked the face of God'sgreen earth, but for the life of

(48:17):
me, half of you aren't even assmart as the average person.
You know that's a problem withsomebody who knows everything
they never bother to learn athing that was written poorly.
You should have had an editorlook at that and you should be
embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Hey Rob.
So Miss C asked earlier doesJason ever get to talk on his
podcast?
And I said not, not, you knowas well as anybody else Not when
Mark gets on.
This topic is sorry, guys.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I'm going to.
I'm going to shut it down andmake some.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
No, no, no, no, no, no, you're good.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I'm sorry.
I hate people who hog theargument.
I hate that.
I know I don't.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
I don't really have much more to add.
I'm a lot more tame on thisargument than yours.
This is, this is.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
This is what you're passionate about um, do we want
to just get to the, the, the umstandard?
Mark robertson reading of uhquo premium yeah, yeah, we know
that you don't need me to readthat.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
You can read it for yourself I mean I know I beat
the dead, but it's quite adocument and it says some things
in there that fly in the faceof everything you've been told
about this liturgy.
So I would encourage you toread it and then wonder why it
says what it says and whyeverybody has to pretend like it
doesn't say what it says.
Mark his aunt with twang.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
And multiple more degrees too.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Oh, my here's the uh here's.
The thing is that I'm quiet onthis topic, but uh, as you know
from trivia, I um I've talkedover anthony many times also, as
we know from you, don't knowhow to count.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
That's a trashy point .

Speaker 4 (49:55):
You and Connor cheat.
I keep count of my points righthere every time I am that
competitive.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
So yeah, charlotte SSPX is about to have record
numbers this year.
So I have been to two SSPXmasses in my life.
One was down in St Cloud,minnesota, and that looked like
a wonderful little parish Ishould say chapel and then the
second was in Charlotte.
And let me tell you like onething the SSPX has and knows how

(50:28):
to do well is like masculinepriests.
Masculine priest like this,this, this, you know young man,
probably my age or maybe alittle older, walked, you know,
walked up to the altar with oneleg because he had a prosthetic
on the other one, and he did,you know.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
you could just tell, you know, that was, that was a
masculine man, you know yeah, Ifelt the same way about the fssp
guys that I've known and thathave serviced, that have been my
pastors since I moved back toHouston and yeah, it's been a
rough.
Well, I'm not going to get intothat, I'm just going to say

(51:07):
that and I don't know why I feltthis way and I can't really
articulate, and maybe everybodyin the comment section is going
to think this is dumb and itprobably is, but for some reason
, when I saw the face of Leo the14th, I just felt better.
I felt like things might not be.
I felt I didn't get the senseby looking at him that this
guy's out to get anybodynecessarily.

(51:27):
I mean, I think I hear him talkabout clarity and and at least
you'll understand what he says.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I hope I'm not and uh, I I justget a good feeling.
I feel like I feel like thelike this kind of a thing is
going to come to an end underhis pontificate.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
So Bobby was at that mat, that SSPX mass in Charlotte
, and Bobby is um.
He goes to Eastern DivineLiturgy.
That was one of the few TLMs Ithink he's ever been to.
But yeah, that priest wasdefinitely a badass, yep.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's good, I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
And was a real.
So while we were in Charlottefor the what was it called the
Carolinas Men's Conference of no, the Catholic Men's Conference
of the Carolinas they had thebishop of one of the South
Carolina dioceses therepresiding, and they had to have

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him come up to north carolina topreside because bishop martin,
instead of presiding over amen's conference, decided to
preside over a woman'sconference on lodato c.
Okay, so quite the contrast tothe uh based one-legged SSPX

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priest.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, I mean, and I can't even make a comment on
something like that because Idon't know how to.
I don't have a good idea on howto deal with the pastoral needs
of women.
I'll leave that to people whoare more experienced and know
that better than I do.
Okay, I'm not an unreasonableperson, rob.
I'm not some rat who thinksthat everything that modern
priests do is bad.
As compared to me, I don'tthink that's true at all, and I

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really do think there's a lot ofgood bishops left in the
Catholic Church.
The fact that and I know nobodyagrees with this yet, because
some people just like things tobe bad, but I think the fact
that Leo XIV was elected in sucha quick fashion shows that we
haven't been alone in how wefelt for a while, that there
were, that other people saw whatwe saw, even if they couldn't

(53:42):
say it, and you know.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Time will tell.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Time will tell, he's not he's not a rad trad and I
gotta tell you I don't eventhink that would be a good idea.
I would let me tell you I Iwould make a terrible pope
because I would be francis, butin the other direction, I would
sow division and everybody wouldhate me and I would not build
the church.
There's a reason why the HolySpirit has put me.
Nowhere near anybody who's everknown, anybody who's been close

(54:10):
to the papacy, there's a reasonfor that, and I'm a cognizant
of that.
But I'm also cognizant of abuseis abuse.
And this is being done becauseyou don't like certain people
and you want to cause them pain,and then, at the end of your
statement, you basically punchthem in the face and then you're
demanding an apology from themfor it.
That's pretty low and it'spretty sick, and it's by no

(54:33):
definition of the word pastoral,under any stretch of the
definition of that word.
And so you're left to wonderokay, so what is the purpose?
And I?
And can I play along with it?
Can I cooperate with something?
Even?
Yeah, I'm unhinged, that's fairenough.
That's probably a fall, that'sprobably.

(54:54):
I'll shut up now.
It's probably fair sorry.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I mean I think we'll, I think we're going to find out
a lot about leo with whathappens here.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Um, I I have a suspicion nothing's going to be
done and it will kind of just betrying to try to get swept
under the rug, I mean I don'tthink that's necessarily a bad
idea because, again, this wholedeal where it's the hot potato
from pope to pope, that's not agood solution and what francis
did is basically set it up towhere it could be.

(55:25):
That now and I was like, oh,this is so bad because now the
next pope's gonna come in andhe's gonna be anti this and he's
gonna then the next guy, andfrom whether or not you can go
to mass at any given time willlargely depend on you.
You have nothing you can reallyhold on to.
You can't build, you can'tbuild a life of grace based on

(55:46):
that.
I mean, maybe you can, but itsure is difficult, because the
vatican tells you to dosomething one day and then the
very next day turns around andsays, no, you're a bad person
for doing that.
And I'd gotten to this point theentire last year where I didn't
know how to live a life thatwas pleasing to God, because the
same person was telling me twobits of information.

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He published this book calledthe Catechism of the Catholic
Church and then, when he wrotethings that were in the book,
that was okay.
But for some reason, when Iread it and believed it, I was a
bad person.
I was rigid and I was uncaringand I was a mean person and I
thought, well, it seemed to beokay for you.
When you wrote it down, it saysLiberia Iritrice Vaticana.
Right on the cover, vaticanLibrary Edition is what that

(56:30):
means.
They published the book andthat was fine.
I had no idea when christ'sbiggest enemy became the
catholic church.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
When did that happen?
Wow, well you see in 325 adconstantine created the catholic
church convert to palmarians.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
That's a weird one, man.
Whoever dxd 1500 thosepalmarian?
That's a weird five minutemasses.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
You're in and out man like are they really five?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I thought they went back.
I thought it all started as arad trad thing like tlm stuff.
Now it did, it's like someweird spanish.
Uh, I know that rad trad saidanything but I know that
antipode gouged his eyes out orsomething like that, didn't he?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I don't know, but I do know their masses are about
five minutes long.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, wow.
Think of how many cigarettesPius X could have smoked before
and after those five-minute-longmasses.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
I heard recently Leo XIII drank wine laced with
cocaine.
Imagine that.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I think he, he, they put his face on a bottles of
wine that had cocaine.
They did.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Imagine just busting rails withLeo the 13th.
That'd have been sick.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
And now?
Now we can commit ecologicalsin.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I'm kidding everybody .

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Haven't things happened haven't things happened
, so much better.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
That could have been your sponsor back in the day.
Probably could have been oh mygosh.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
We need to talk to Requisite they need to come up
with a new line.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Don't worry Me and Mark have been watching videos
on how to make a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
We have a great show lined up for you.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
A lot of money doing these runs, so we could help you
out with your new line Jasonand I have started a new
business.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
What kind of runs?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I'm not gonna name specifics.
All I'll say is um, you wantthe cocaine wine?
You've got the cocaine, it's,it's a second airplanes, skiff
boats and things that canquestionably be called landing
strips out in the middle of thedesert and you can draw your own
conclusions.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Trump to what we're doing, trump's going to have to
deport you too, I guess.
Oh, he might, he might.
It wouldn't be the yeah it'sokay, yeah, I'll text.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I'll text, communicate him and those are
juridically binding.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
You know I you're binding and about being half a
mexican earlier I am actually is.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I know you actually are half mexican, half irish.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
What in the world did you do to to deserve that?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
well, I mean like my mother's, not.
I'm not 100 irish, but I meanlike in that part of the world
you know, england, scotland,ireland, it's all.
No, no, no, all them people no,no, no.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Don't say, don't say we're the same as the irish.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Don't, don't you do that, don't you dare call the
same as english they all, theyall intermarried with each other
and you know.
So you go back far enoughyou'll, if you're from that part
of the world.
If you're from ireland, you'llfind some english and scottish
ancestry in there at some point.
It's almost difficult not to.
But yeah, on my father's sidehe was a Rodriguez, so his

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family were Tejanos, going allthe way back to when Texas was
Mexico.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
So you can boast, you pray the most after you toast.
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I can just picture it .

Speaker 1 (59:57):
He's like let's excommunicate the pre-masons,
let's do it um, do you guys havea little bit more time?
Did we want to watch?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
that uh jordan clip I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Do you think we should do that here on youtube,
or should we go over to localsfor that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
whatever you want to do it's your show, buddy it's
not entirely obvious thatwatching jordan, I've been
working on it but I can't quiteget it.
I can't get jordan peterson, Ican't get the accent right
should we get?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
should we get obama to give us his opinion on jordan
?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
peterson, you can call him, but I don't know if
he'll even answer at this hour.
Um, I would have to.
I'd have to jump off, you knowbecause you can only have call
right I Right, I'd have to youknow, I'd have to reach out
through my lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
You have dial-up.
You can't have the internet inthe phone line at the same time.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
A hundred percent.
Yeah, it's all part of myoff-the-grid network.
You know, initiative to justnot be, you know, not on the
grid at all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Okay, Mrs C says we should keep it on YouTube.
Let me pull up the Petersonclip.
So I haven't watched it.
Jason, I don't think you'vewatched it.
Mark, you probably wouldn'thave even known.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I'll probably watch it for three days and be like
Mark is living, point to a T.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
He has avoided social media for the longest.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
That's funny.
So many of you probably sawbrian holdsworth video last week
probably wednesday or thursdaywhere he talks about uh, when he
was on with anthony and and umtim gordon.
Well, yesterday we we get atext in our group chat from
marks more or less like hey, youguys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, all I saw was anthony's uh ugly mug in the, in
the, in the, in the thumbnail,and I went oh, my goodness,
brian, that guy's got a bigchannel.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
That's, that's that's what mark does all the time,
like brian, if you're listening.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I've always enjoyed your content and what you have
to say, and I'd love to have youon the show, mark mark does
that all the time in the groupchat.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
We'll be done.
Well, I mean, we will havetalked about it in the group
chat and mark a week later it'slike, have you heard?
About this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
We're like guys I'm so I'm so deep in prayer and
internal piety that I don't havetime to deal with world with.
No, that's not true.
I can't back that up, not evenremotely.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
What the situation is jason's got like six kids and
he knows like he's right with it, yeah but I'm wasting my time I
wanted to be honest.
It's the golfing, isn't it,mark?

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I do.
I do spend an inordinate amountof time on that frustrating
endeavor.
That's true.
That's a that's the path toholiness, though, though I'm
telling you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
I mean, mark, we went golfing for the first time, we
did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
We went out and played.
We had a pretty good roundactually.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So by golfing and not being on social media, you hit
point number two and hit pointnumber five.
Sounds like you're like theBishop Martin poster child.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I've been working against you guys the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Mark is undercover Mark is undercover right now
uh-oh, uh-oh unbelievable fedokay, so I got a like a minute
long video I'm not watching thewhole thing.
There's no I mean not long.
No, I'll watch.
I mean I'll watch that, but I'mnot watching all of j Peterson.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I can't stand the man .

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
St Martin, 177073.
I'm at Tex Catherda, that's ourchannel.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yep, yep, tex Catherda, you need to use that
one intro more often.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Mark, yeah, I was thinking when I saw your drum
intro, I was like Jason you gotto make an intro, bro Dude.
I was thinking when I saw yourdumb intro I was like Jason, you
gotta make an intro, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
I was about to try to you know where Joe Rogan has
that little clip where he goes.
Oh, you haven't seen the video.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Roll that clip, jamie , or whatever he says on it
Jamie, pull that up.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
I didn't have time today but I was going to take
that clip.
I made a mark, splice it withthat and send it to you and say,
hey, splice it with that andsend it to you and say, hey,
you've got to play this tonight,Wait where is that clip?

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
That's a short right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
No, no, it's not a short, it was just a clip I had
on my.
I probably posted it to myTwitter.
Let me see.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Okay, you look while we watch this, jordan Peterson
thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
So this is Jordan Peterson on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I think it's kind of like Peterson.
You guys don't like PetersonInteresting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I'm neutral.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I mean I can't say I agree with everything he's ever
said, because I've not listenedto everything he's ever said.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I just think he's one of those people that tries to
come off way more intelligentthan he really is, and what he
says is usually really just kindof common sense, or should be.

(01:04:42):
But now that he's trying to getinto the religion thing.
He really shows that he doesn'treally know what he's talking
about.
Um, okay, okay, I'm, I'm, I'mopen to that anyway.
So this is he's on somethingcalled jubilee, and it was
supposed to be 20 atheistsversus one christian, and they
actually had to change the nameof the video because of what
you're about to see why is thatrelevant?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
because you go to a catholic church, don't you?
You've attended recently.
You're interested incatholicism, aren't you sure?
All right, are you familiarwith their doctrines somewhat?
Okay, you're you're familiar.
How do they regard?
How do they regard mary?
Why are you asking me?
Because you're a christian?
You say that I haven't claimedthat.
Oh, what is this?
Is this Christians versusatheists?
I don't know.
You don't know where you areright now.

(01:05:18):
Don't be a smart ass.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Well, either you're a Christian or you're not.
I won't talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
If you're a smart ass , either you're a Christian or
you're not.
Which one is it?
I could be either of them, butI don't have to tell you.
You don't have to tell me.
I was under the impression Iwas invited to talk to a
christian.
Am I not talking to a christian?
No, you were invited to.
I think everyone should look atthe title of the youtube
channel.
You're probably in the wrongyoutube video.
You're really quite something.

(01:05:43):
You are, aren't I?

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
but you're really quite nothing right, you're not
a christian, I'm done with him.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
relevant because you go to okay, so that's what it
was yeah, I mean I don't, Idon't have people like that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I never would.
But what do you think of?
What do you think of his?
What do you think of hisresponse?
I loved it.
I'll tell you why.
Why, why.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Yeah, I want to hear why.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
There is.
So I look at Jesus when he'stalking to two different types
of Pharisees.
There's a Pharisee he can nameNicodemus, who is questioning
what Jesus is saying, but notbecause he's trying to trick him
or I'm going to trap you intosome kind of a you know a
rhetorical trap and make youlook stupid or anything like
that.
I legitimately don't understandhow can a man be born again and

(01:06:41):
Jesus, when he talks to thatPharisee, is indulgent.
He doesn't rebuke him for nothaving faith.
He'll sit there and have thediscussion, but when it comes to
these Pharisees are well, whatdo you think of this?
And the whole point of it iswell, however he answers, I got
him.
He does not indulge thosepeople and you shouldn't.

(01:07:01):
It's pearls before swine.
He's not asking him to give atestimony of his faith in
anything.
He wants to trick him or traphim or just berate him for
something that isn't even true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Anyway, I, I don't okay but they did enter into the
whole thing on the premise thatit was going to be a debate
between a christian and anatheist.
Oh okay, that's interesting, Ididn't know.
Like I said the the video wasliterally titled 20 atheist
verse, one christian right, andyet peterson wasn't willing to
even even affirm that he was achristian, like for me.

(01:07:34):
Do you think that, peterson?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
could take on a kid like that rhetorically and and
yet Peterson wasn't willing toeven affirm that he was a
Christian.
Do you think that Petersoncould take on a kid like that
rhetorically and make him lookstupid?
I mean, if he were legitimately, I think he could.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I think he probably could.
I mean, maybe that kid, yes,but I think there's plenty of
Catholics who would probablymake Jordan Peterson look silly.
Maybe.
For me, the problem withPeterson is like you have, like
1 Peter tells us be ready alwaysto satisfy everyone that asks

(01:08:08):
you a reason of the hope whichis in you.
And Peterson's not even willingto say that he's a Christian or
that he's not a Christian Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
So that's what really , which means he takes it
seriously enough to give it somethought, which I can appreciate
, because I think there's a lotof people out there calling
themselves something thatthey're not, and maybe I include
myself in that as well.
In fact, I had a conversationwith the Lord recently where he
informed me that a lot of myChristianity is very
performative and I need to workon that, and he's not wrong.

(01:08:39):
So maybe there's a little bitof that in all of this, but I've
always kind of appreciated thathe takes the question seriously
.
I mean, because what do youmean when you say that, well,
you believe in Jesus, believe inwhat about him?
Well, just in his existence.
Well, there are atheists whobelieve in his existence.
When we say Jesus the Christ,what do we mean when we say that
, well, a nice guy who basicallyjust wants you to be nice to

(01:09:03):
everybody.
Oh then no, I don't believe inthat.
That's because it's not,there's no, there's no, that's a
fictitious, literary characteryou invented, named Jesus.
The real person is a verydifferent, very different,
different person, and we haveeyewitness accounts of that, and
so I I think I don't know.
I see what you're saying now Ido, but I think he doesn't know

(01:09:24):
the answer to the question yet.
Okay, maybe in a process of,because I know is didn't his
wife convert to catholicism?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
yes, yeah, yes that's weird that he didn't I mean I I
agree.
I agree that you're right thatthat, um, that he doesn't know
what he is yet.
Yeah, um, but then why is hegoing on a podcast as a
christian to debate 20 atheists?

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
yeah you know what I mean?
He knows he's.
Yeah, that's the weird part.
Yeah, I think he knows he's notbad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
He's monetizing his spiritual journey is what he's
really doing.
It might be it feels gross tome.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
That's fair.
That's fair.
I can tell you that.
I know he does a lot withJonathan Mageau and everything.
So I know he says a lot of nicethings about the Orthodox
Church and he says a lot of nicethings about the Catholic
Church.
He does not say a lot of verypositive things about

(01:10:24):
Protestantism as a theologicalor as a philosophical foundation
, which I think is interesting,which I think means he's
interested in what apostolicChristianity true Christianity
is.
It means he's interested inwhat apostolic Christianity true
Christianity, is.
So I would describe the CatholicChurch as a society instituted
by Christ and in order to be amember of the society, you have
to practice the society'sreligion.

(01:10:45):
The society is the CatholicChurch, and what is the
society's religion?
It's Catholicism.
And what is Catholicism?
Catholicism is Christianity andeverything that is not.
That is something else.
You can go to a basketball gameand call it baseball all you
want.
You're not at a baseball game,you're just deluding yourself.

(01:11:05):
Christianity is a thing.
Our Lord gave a religion to theapostles and that religion has
been handed down to us, and Iknow it was handed by a single
person.
I can prove it Because theOrthodox and us have basically
the same religion in verysignificant ways.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Okay, now you're sounding like Anthony.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
This is this is, but no, no,I'm not defending the Orthodox.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
He's an orthodox.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
What I'm saying is the Orthodox would never do
something just because theCatholics were doing it.
The only way that they wouldhave a reverence for Mary, the
only way they would believe inthe true presence in the
Eucharist, the only way theywould have seven sacraments and
not two, is if we all receivedit from the same place.
That is historical proof thatthis is not invented at a later

(01:11:58):
date.
It traces back to first centuryPalestine, to a real person
that existed, named Jesus ofNazareth, who history has shown
really was crucified, reallydied.
He was buried and then threedays later, the tomb was found
empty and the only accountingfor his body were the apostles,
who say that they saw him rosefrom the dead.
There is no other accounting.

(01:12:20):
There is no other first centuryaccounting that says that was
all bs.
Because we all saw the body, weknow where it is, we can take
you there to this very day.
That's how you get rid of thejesus movement, and they never
do that.
So that that story is true.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Well, I understand and don't necessarily disagree
with that argument.
I guess I would just say butthere is doctrine that the
Orthodox don't have, that theywould claim is invented, but we
would say no, 100%.
We believe the doctrine of theImmaculate conception and wasn't

(01:12:54):
invented when it was declaredright right that it was always
part of the church, right andwas only in foul was only
infallibly declared.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
and when you think about it, though that is a very
fine point of theologicaldifference between the
immaculate conception and thedispassionate conception.
There's a difference, and I getit, but by and large the main
crux of the story is the same,and that's significant to me,
because we know it doesn'talways end up that way.
The minute you separate fromapostolic Christianity Catholic

(01:13:29):
Christianity, all kinds ofthings become up for grabs right
, it is incredible how quicklythings get off the rail.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
And I'm just saying that the Orthodox would not do
as many things as we do, justbecause, well, that's what the
Catholics are.
They don't like us that much,right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Right.
If there was any possibility atall, it wasn't taught
immediately in the early church.
They would be against it justbecause it's catholic a hundred
percent, a hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
And and you find this not only in the greek orthodox
community, but in the orientalorthodox community and in every
branch of christianityeverywhere in the world that
christianity can trace its rootsto the apostles.
You will find this basic, thisreligion and no other.
So you have to wonder I, I likeI.

(01:14:21):
I know this is controversial,but I don't believe protestants
are christians.
I don't think I, I don't.
I don't see how you can do that.
I mean to say well, they had.
They believe in jesus.
Well, so do the muslims?
Right, muslims believe in theexistence of jesus.
They believe in Jesus.
Well, so do the Muslims?
Muslims believe in theexistence of Jesus.
They believe completelydifferent things and so they're
a different religion Makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Yes, yeah, I think it all depends, like everything,
on how you define the term.
If you want to say you're aChristian because you're doing
your best to follow what youbelieve are the teachings of
christ, okay then sure.
But but protestants are notmembers of a of the christian

(01:15:02):
church.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Ironically, that's what I would.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
So right, but then they then they separate
themselves from the churchthrough both heresy and schism
right, right, yeah, um, so it's,it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
You know, it's one of those things.
But I mean, I, I, yeah, I seejordan peterson, I wish, I think
like he wants to becomecatholic, because he says all
these great things aboutcatholicism but he doesn't do it
, which makes me wonder and andhe's even been asked, I think,
what's the hold up, what's thewhat's?
Because if I I've heard youtalk and you have these great

(01:15:37):
defenses of Catholicism butnothing ever moves you to pull
the trigger, and what is thereason for that?
And he's never given an answerfor that.
Maybe he doesn't know this one,but I pray for him all the time
.
I think he would make a greatCatholic if he could come to
know and love the truth as ithas been revealed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
You think it's um and this.
This is obviously just purespeculation on all of her parts,
but do you think it's?
It's due to like anintellectual stumbling block or
intellectual pride, or do youthink it's due more to like the
actual, like moral demands ofcatholicism?

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
I think somebody I was going- to say I'm sorry, I'm
trying to find that video.
I think to me it has more.
I would make the assumptionthat it's more of an
intellectual stumbling block forhim.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Oh hello, is this Avoiding Babylon?
Good afternoon, everybody Isthis former.
President.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Obama.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Greetings from the former President of the United
States.
It's great to be here,everybody.
Is this former President Obama?
Greetings from the formerPresident of the United States.
It's great to be here,everybody.
As you all know, AvoidingBabylon is one of my favorite
shows.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
No, no, we're done for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Rob, you can relax.
I haven't been president forsome time.
I've been spending my days atIlluminati headquarters.
I often play Pinochle withCurtis Strange and the ghost of
Tupac.
The other day we were sittingthere and I said I haven't
checked in on my boys yet atAvoiding Babylon, so I decided
to call in.
Let everybody know how we'redoing.

(01:17:09):
Now DXD 1500, just called me acrook.
Now you can't prove that now.
Now you can't prove that nowyou ain't getting no health care
.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
I've already made the call.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I called my girl, Kathleen Sebelius.
We've already revoked your card, so good luck paying that
deductible buddy.
Hope you don't get a cold andif you do, start eating Sudafed
my friend, because did you justtell him Obama plays for keeps.
This Mark person says that'snot me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Anyway, uh, Mr Mr President, I do have a question.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I've got the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
baby, how did?
How did you personallycelebrate the fifth anniversary
of joy floyd's george floyd'sdesk death this last weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
okay, rob, you know, this is really me.
I could get fired now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Come on, man, the bit went too far bro it went too
far okay, so apparently thisvideo I made, it was made on
valentine's day 2023 oh, no, didyou find it oh, I'm about to, I
think all right in my defense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
As you can tell, I am not great at living.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
You have no defense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
I'd have some wine that night, not even wine laced
with cocaine, just regular wine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Speaking of.
If you need wine, head over torequisitecellarscom and use code
BASE for 10% off your order forgreat Catholic non-cocaine wine
.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
That's important.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Statement's not evaluated by the USDA Bell.
Claim blades by Rob from Woodand Babylon are to only be taken
as entertainment purposes only.
Rules and restrictions apply.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
I mean I've got it on my screen.
I guess I could share my shareyour screen is it in a?
Chrome tab uh, yes, okay, well,no, no, it's, it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Uh, I just pulled it off my hard drive it's got to be
in a chrome tab for the audioto work, so can you upload.
Can you send that file to methrough twitter, dm well, I was
trying, but it's too hard.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
I would have sent it a long time ago, but it's too
hard.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Yeah well, we probably can't do it, so you
know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Do you know what YouTube video it was the intro
for?
Because we could just pull it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Yeah, that's what I'm looking for right now.
I mean, I have completelyabandoned the show to find this
video.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Do you think El chapo would sponsor us, oh goodness,
in his money.
So we will probably have to askuh, what's his name?
Um, father schneider, uh, ofthe legionnaires, if that would
be just remote cooperation withevil, or is that more like the
COVID vaccines?

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Who is this person we're talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
He's a priest who wrote a lot of things about why
you needed to take COVIDvaccines and lost a lot of
Catholics their jobs when theysaid it was against their
religion.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
The good old Legion of Christ Never fail and
disappoint.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Well, that should have been shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I can't believe that didn't get shut down.
But okay, we get a modu propriopublished about us in
Reservatory Romano letting usknow we're not really part of
the church, but that's stillaround.
Okay, I see what's happeninghere.
I see what you guys think is aserious thing and what you guys
don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Darren we don't talk about that.
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Yeah, okay, we've solved that problem.
Nice and quick-like.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
I've got to get back on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Okay, you guys can talk now, geez.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
I'm about you, you can't, you can.
You can silence a truth teller,but you can't silence the truth
.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I can silence the Iowa Hawkeyes, that's true, you
could.
Let's go to cyclones.
No sir, no sir.
Everyone appreciates your calmcommentary on issues, Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah, well, nobody you guys invited me on the show
you knew what was coming.
You knew what was coming,especially with this topic.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
What do we know?
What do we know?
Do we know?

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
What do you guys know the?

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
book about the flower world's prophecy.
I've never heard of it.
I know it's related to our ladyof guadalupe, if I remember
right, because flower, theflower world, has something to
do with the old mayan religion,if I remember right.
Um, so I don't know anythingabout it.
I have a feeling you guys don'teither.
Never heard of it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Great book.
Mark has a great radio, thankyou.
Thank you, tim Gordon did ashow I can.
Yeah, I.
I've been told I have a greatSpanish language radio voice.
You know, because I can.
I could do that all day long.
What did you just say?
93.3, 104.9 WFM.

(01:22:36):
Más éxitos por hora.
I could do that all day long.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
What did you just say ?

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
I've got the face for it.
He's got the face for it.
That's a good one.
Right on time, buddy.
I just got deported.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
I know what video is on If you go to our YouTube
channel and you find how Lentalmost killed the Tradmen.
Oh, okay, can you do it thatway?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Yeah, I can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Give me a second.
This is not deportation noticein mail.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
I feel like my absence in this show at this
point.
Well, with Mark's rant I'vebeen absent the whole time.
Anyway, I'm sorry but it'sgonna, this will be, it's gonna
be worth it okay, all right,okay, hold on this may be the
greatest, greatest thing I'veever greatest greatest oh, and

(01:23:33):
shout out to the diocese ofNorth Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Shout out to the Tar Heel State, if anybody's in.
I mean, we've been talkingabout you all day.
I forgot to shout out to JedGrady.
Oh, and shout out to theDiocese of North Carolina.
Shout out to the Tar Heel State, if anybody's in there.
I mean, we've been talkingabout you all day I forgot to
shout out to the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
It should be right in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
For those of you who have never seen a show from
Tradmen slash, tex Catherina,this is what you're missing, so
head over to Tex Catherina onYouTube and subscribe.
Because, you are gonna wantmore of this right here welcome

(01:24:15):
everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
To trap man, you're tuned in to the quiet storm.
Mark and Jason are going to bekeeping you company all night,
oh yeah alright we're going togrow in holiness, we're going to
make some noise.
It's the quiet storm with Markthe shark on Tradman.

(01:24:36):
I was aroused.
It's the Quiet Storm with Markthe Shark on Tradman.
I was aroused.
Listen, I heard that and I waslike that's deep.
You know what I mean.
That got me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
And then we got a comment in there from an old
lady who said y'all shouldn'ttalk in these voices like that,
because it gets us old womenriled up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Oh man, if I could find that well it was something
like that that, that I tell you,that was um, that was about
that was your second rendition,because right before that you
had said something about we'regonna make a little love yeah, I
know it was in that rendition,that was in that one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Oh, is that the one that was?
I didn't know what you said, soI just started talking and I
was, and I asked you, I saidmake a little love.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
And you're like, yeah , not to each other, of course
yeah, man you're.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
You're reading too much into fiducia supplicants
what's hilarious?
so that was, that was beforefiducia supplicants that
probably prompted, probably theinspiration for it yeah, james,
social media, you know I thinkpope francis heard that and he's
like oh, I gotta do somethingfor these two cupcakes we did

(01:25:51):
have one viewer from italy, andwe're pretty sure it was pope
francis it had to be him.
You know christopher west iswatching.
Well, you'll be glad.
I have no idea who that is.
So you really don't know whochristopher west is.
No, I don't know who anybody is.
Who's christopher west?
What does he do?

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
he just wrote a bunch of books on, uh, theology of
the body and I think early on hegot in trouble oh, that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Yeah, he's the catholic kinky sex guy okay,
okay, oh, he's the one, huh hesex guy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
Okay, okay, he's the one, huh Well, the most
prominent one, I mean he wasn'tin any orgies with cardinals in
Rome or anything like that, butsomebody once made it pronounced
Italy, italy, italy, italy?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
I'm not sure any of this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Y'all have to.
Excuse me, is my first language, so I struggle with it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
His second and third ones went much better yeah, my
russian is pristine you knowwhat's hilarious is out of all
of us.
You actually are like the worldtraveler yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
I've been quite a few places.
You are the cultured worldtraveler I am, and that's the
scary part like you've been toDubai, kazakhstan.
Saudi Arabia, oman, australia,of course, mexico, canada.
What's funny in?

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Australia.
You had two people speakingEnglish to each other not being
able to understand a word.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
You guys were saying probably I've told that, I've
told a story like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
No, I'm just imagining you and an Australian
trying to speak to each otherand just nothing working oh no,
it worked out alright.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
now I will say a lot of the stuff that there is a lot
of words that they use, like soto go into the outback, you
have to, you have to take adriving course, you know where
you can drive, in the sand dunes, and all that.
Yeah, so the first day this ismy second day in australia and
the class starts and theinstructor's like you know,
you've got a, you've got toswitch to, uh, back to two-wheel

(01:27:56):
drive.
When you get on the bitumen,I'm like what did he call me?
You know, I'm like what isbitumen and everything else you
know, and so there's just You'renot going to be putting
anything on this bitumen.
Let me tell you no, no, mybitumen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Touch my bitumen.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
And so yeah, but you know, you just find out all the
nuances of their slang and theirlanguage.
But they do like a I won't sayit, but a four-letter word that
starts with a C quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Oh yeah, the Brits too.
The Brits too, they're loosewith that one.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Oh yeah, they're super loose super um before.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
So one thing I think we are going to start doing with
guests before before you know,the end of shows is uh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
What did I do?
First, mark what are yourguys's favorite bible verses.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
If you had to pick one oh my goodness, I need a
heads up on this next time.
It's actually.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Jason, you're a firm Protestant.
How do you not have an answer?

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
You asked me what my favorite movie is.
It's hard for me to decidebecause there's so many.
I love the whole collection.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Okay, come on, pick a Bible verse.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
I'm going to go withphesians 4, 24, and it
actually is the basis for theprayer that, um, that somebody
who's assisting in the masswould pray when they put on the
surplus, the liturgicalinvestment of the surplus, um
that sounds pretty, pretty rigidto me and that ye put on the
new man, which after god iscreated in righteousness and
true holiness, and then the, theprayer, actually, I think, is
even it kind of embellishes on alittle bit, but it says it so

(01:29:46):
eloquently okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
So since that's your favorite, I want you to read it
in hawaiian pigeon okay I ain'ttelling you my favorite verse
yes, you are

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
you guys gotta start the live.
The new, kind way.
The way god make you for man Iam gonna get so far for this.
The way god make you act.
You like him.
The way you guys not to beporno for real kine and you're
going to be good, oh my goodnessFor God, and live in the true
way.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Awesome Stick to Spanish.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah, I think I will, I think I will, I think that
was.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
That's coming from a guy named Seamus.
Seamus Waters, stick to Spanish.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Stupid Seamus.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
That was not good, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
It was perfect.
Do it again, mark.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
No, yeah, I am white.
I am white.
I am white.
There's white Mexicans.
There's more of us than youmight think.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Okay, Jason, You're the one I really want to hear
speak.
Pigeon Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
What verse am I pulling up?
I am going to give a very, verycliche answer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
If it's John 3.16, I'm going to stop you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
John 3.
16,.
I'm going to say no, no, no.
I'm going to say this becauseit's not really necessarily a
verse but a section, becauseduring my conversion and many,
many, many years, all the way tomy teenage years, it was always
something that that bouncedaround in my head.
Because it was.
I always struggled to make italign with the different

(01:31:39):
Protestant theology You're goingto talk about the bread of life
discourse.
That is the one that I probablythought about the most growing
up.
I think what is it?
Is it verse 54?
I don't know the verses by hand, but yeah, 54 is a good start.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Let me pull it up here.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
I'm going to read it in Serum English Serum.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
English Liveth and reigneth.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
I can barely speak English, much less an accent.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
I found a video of the Serum Rite.
It's actually celebrated inLatin.
It's a Latin liturgy the Serumuses.
It's not really a rite, it's ause of the English liturgy.
Just stop Last time you talkedabout the Serum Rite.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
I don't know what I'm talking about.
We heard from people forever.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
people make up most of what I make up most of what I
say.
It's your job to go do research.
Don't take what I say foranything.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
I just all right, okay, jason, stop putting it off
.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
Come on, okay.
What's the first word?
Jelike, oh jelike.
I tell you, whoever eat up mybody and a drink, let me tell
you my blood and drink my blood.
They're to live to the maxforever and I'm going to bring
them back alive when that worldis going to come.
Paul, because my body does foodfor real kind and my body or my

(01:33:07):
blood does drink for real kind.
Whoever eats my blood anddrinks my blood idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
No Lidat.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Lidat.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Lidat.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Lidat stay tight with me, they stay tight with me and
I stay tight with them.
The father stay, live for realkind and he wins in me.
Hey, I don't know.
Oh, I'm still going.
No, you can stop, you can stop.
I mean, it turned into Draculain the beginning I didn't think
it could get worse yeah, I don'tknow I mean but is that a real?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
is that a language?
Not?
Is that something that'srecognized?

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
I don't know anything about it so pigeon languages
are, I'm not gonna say fakelanguages, but they but they're
like a transitional language forpeople who are just learning.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
We have the Amazon right coming.
We're going to have this comingsoon, just so you know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Amazon right.
Yeah that'll do it, that'll bethe thing.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Oh sorry, I shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Mark is back to the start.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Everybody's got the magic bullet that it never works
out, but anyway, so Well,reading a Pinto, all languages
are made up.
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
So, I guess, real question like and I've wondered
this myself too Like doing thesesilly readings of scripture, I
guess, in hawaiian pigeon, likeis it, do you guys think it is
irreverent at all?
Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
I would think so.
Then again, I'm, I'm, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
I guess he's a rigid trad though is it the reading of
it that's irreverent, or is itthe fact that it was translated
into a fake language that wasirreverent?

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
is that an approved first off?
We shouldn't really, weshouldn't really read versions
of scripture that are notapproved by holy oh, it's
definitely not approved, no, Imean.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Well, then, there you go, the kjv is not approved.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Who knows?
Who knows who translated that?
Who knows what that?

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
I'm gonna say this the usccb has come out with, has
approved stranger things, rightmaybe maybe, but at least it's
approved.
I don't know, I'm beingfacetious there, um yeah, I
don't know, I don't knowscripture is a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
You know that.
Wow everybody gets mad at mewhen I talk about jews, but they
don't touch the words.
You shouldn't touch the words.
You know what I mean?
And that's just the word of Godreduced to writing.
People handing out communion inthe hand.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
It looks like Bishop Martin was right.
We need to do penance.
It's just coming on, ab, it'scoming on AB.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Now we have to.
You can't give us this bit andthen rug pull.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Babylon to big town away yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
And revelation when it talks about Babylon, they
call it Babylon to big town.
Yeah, I probably should confessit, shouldn't I?

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Just in case, I don't think your intention.
I think your intention was tomake fun of people who didn't
like to be fair, I'm not makingfun of people.
Yeah, I'm not even making funof hawaiians no, you're making
fun of biblical people who writethis biblical translation and
because they think that I knowwhat you're doing, right, I I

(01:36:35):
get what the intention was.
I I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's notirreverent.
I mean ask him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Cause I do tend to I do tend to to agree with Mrs C
here, like we are saying it in amocking tone.
Well, now, we're not mockingscripture.
We're not trying to.
We're mocking the fact thatsome cause.
We're mocking the fact thatsome because you know some
leftist academic somewhere thattranslated this into a language
that's not even used, right,yeah, so that's what we're

(01:37:03):
trying to mock, but we are usingscripture to do so.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Yeah, probably not wise.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
I think translations into profane versions of
languages's there's a way totranslate it into english, but
there are also versions ofenglish which are not befitting
the gospel and not befitting thetext.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
You know what I mean like, uh, the message
translation and things like that, where it's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
You know slang, english more, right, right
exactly slang and and I think,and also it's it's pretty
presumptuous, and this is alwayswhere they start from.
They start from this positionof jesus needs me to to spread
his message to people, becausepeople aren't going to connect

(01:37:52):
with jesus.
It's me they're going to findcharismatic, it's my uh, you
know, when jesus is gone, I'mhis pr person that comes out and
tells everybody no, he doesn'treally mean all those things,
you know, and because, if,because, if I intercede, I'll
attract everybody, jesus justputs people off.
Man, that's highly presumptuousof you.
That is not true.

(01:38:13):
That that this is a religionthat has converted the world to
itself and it did so all withoutyou.
You know what I mean.
What is this?

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
hold on, there's a new.
Oh no, oh no.
We can't have this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
This is bad we can actually show the all the
comments coming in on screen oh,nope nope, our audience is
gonna misuse that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
We are taking that away.
I guarantee an end's gonnaappear in the chat in the next
five seconds.
Yeah, yep, taffy, I knew it butthen again.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Okay, but hang on, rob, but here, because did
jerome do what I'm talking about?
I mean, the reason it's calledthe vulgate is because it was
translated into the vulgartongue, which was latin at that
time.
At that time, the properliturgical, the proper
scriptural language is greek,and that's what was read in the

(01:39:15):
churches and everything at theliturgy.
So am I?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
yeah, I, I get that right, but hawaiian pigeon isn't
.
I don't know is it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
yeah, I know it's a weird question.
It's an interesting one.
There's something it doesn'tseem right to me, but I can't
really articulate why.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
So maybe I'm in the wrong.
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe we just won't do it.
Mysterious North Carolinathat's an interesting username
there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
That's what's been negative translation.
Sound like to people in theMiddle Ages?
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
It's not a language, it's slang, is what Joseph said.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Yeah, so, yeah, so yeah the vulgar tongue.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Okay, odd, you know wasn't vulgar in the way like I
see that makes yeah yeah, yeah,it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
it's not a.
Well, I mean again, I don'tknow if there's anybody who
knows more about thetranslations of this of.
You know how Jerome compiledthe Bible Exactly?
They could probably tell youbetter than I could.
That's, that's an area ofchurch history I would really
love to know more about.
I would love to know more aboutJerome's process in translating

(01:40:31):
and doing this monumental workof translating the scriptures
into Latin.
It's a translation that we useto this very day.
Jerome's translation is stillthe official Latin translation
of of the Bible.
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Well, gentlemen, that's all I got.
I don't have anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
But let me, let me.
Let me just say one thing on amore serious note, since today
is Memorial Day.
We also remember the Catholicchaplains.
I was today absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
You sure have got a meal to pawn.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Get it closer your stupid green screen.
You're muted.
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Yes, so I just wanted to bring up awareness that
people don't know about FatherEmil Capon.
He was just became a venerablewhat a month or two ago he was a
?
He was a, an american chaplainout of wichita kansas died
during the korean war, and I'mnot gonna go into his whole
story.
You can find stories of himonline, and even me and mark did

(01:41:47):
an episode about it early on inour podcasting career.
Um, if you don't know aboutthis, uh, this great cath, this
great man, this great priest,please look him up, find out
more about him and if, afterlearning about him, you feel it
in your heart and a need to prayfor his eventual canonization.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
His story is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
It really is.
It's incredible, and so all thepeople who've given their life
for their country.
It's a noble thing to do, do Idon't care what modern
sensibilities say about that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
It's a noble catholic thing to do you guys should do
like a follow-up episode in thatseries for on father capadano,
who was chaplain during theunited yeah, we should.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I was going to think we should have Alex Bielekowski
back on the show.
Yeah, he's a good dude, greatmilitary historian and a good
Catholic.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
Do you guys want to push your channel one last time?

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Well, I just want to say one more thing to the people
of Charlotte Just keep thefaith.
This isn't going to last.
This isn't going to be thething either.
Just hang in there, hang inthere.
God is on our side on this one,so that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Oh, rob, let me say Christian here.
Father Capon should be a saintand have the Medal of Honor.
He does have the Medal of Honor.
It was given to his I.
He does have the Medal of Honor.
It was given to his.
I can't remember one of hisrelatives.
Obama actually ended up givingit to him and if you watch the
video online of the Medal ofHonor, you're welcome.

(01:43:26):
By the way, if you watch thevideo.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Not that I get any credit for anything.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
The Medal of Honor presentation.
I think sergeant miller was hisname.
The guy that that he saved wasin attendance.
Uh, during that, I mean he wasstill alive at the time oh
really and uh, you know,obviously he was an old man at
that point, so you know, itspeaks volumes um to the man

(01:43:56):
that he was and a lot of theguys that went to camp with him
the pow camp, uh were inattendance, so you can actually
see the the video of obamapresenting the medal of honor
paul, neither jason nor I werein the military I was in I if I
was, if I was going to be in themilitary, I would have been in

(01:44:18):
meal team six.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
All right, that's all I got.
It was great coming on, guysand thank you.
Thank you for letting me vent.
I'm hope.
I'm hope it was as entertainingto watch as it was to say well
to have you guys on a sometimesoon with Anthony.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
I know Anthony.
I know Anthony wished he was tosay well to have you guys on uh
sometime soon with anthony.
I know anthony uh.
I know anthony uh wished hecould have been here for this
one, but we'll all get to hearabout a thousand stories of him
in greece.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
So so the crazy thing is I was trying to be a lot
more tempered in this subjectmatter, to be smart and what I
say, and then you had me readhawaiian pygmy.
It's just shot the whole thingout of the water and I didn't
even matter anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Well, do you want to go back and now rant about some
of the stuff you were trying tobe tempered on?

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
All right, good talk, good meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Seamus says please pray for a friend of mine who
went to our Lord today.
He was a general of the NorthDakotaota national guard and
served in iraq during operationiraqi freedom.
Um, so, yes, everyone, pray forseamus's friend.
Thank you, seamus.
Um, yeah, so thank you guys forcoming on.
It's, it was fun.
It's been a long time and, uh,we'll have to do again.

(01:45:33):
Jason, no matter how many timesyou say you'll get back to us,
we're going to just keeppestering.
That's right, okay, thank youall.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
And I don't know when .

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Anthony gets back from Greece.
We may or may not have anotherstream later in the week.
Might be me, might be me andAnt.
We'll see.
But anyways, thank you all andhave a great night.
Thank you.

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