Document Reveals US Meddling in Papal Conclave

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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Thank you.
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Speaker 3 (01:10):
Is the video choppy for you, Nick.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Just slightly, but not too bad.

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The video's choppy for me.

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It was a little choppy, yeah, but you could see
it pretty easy.
It wasn't horrible choppy.

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Obama NSA involvement?
Benedict XVI's resignationsourced from a high-level
Italian insider?
Oh no, we might have to lookthat up.
That'd be pretty.
Yeah, so well, we have a lot toget to today.
well, first off, um, what amissed opportunity with the
olympics thing for real, bro,such cringe no, but what I'm,

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talk about it.

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You were busy at catholic blues and I was out of
town yeah, it just just didn'twork like it wasn't one of those
things bro, you guys shouldhave called me and just said
nick, jump on our channel, youhave access I do.
But you know, if I was to justtake over like that, who knows
what avoiding Babylon might turninto?
We might become respectable orsomething.

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We might become respectable.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, oh man, I have so many thoughts on that whole
situation too.
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That's a genius money scheme, to be honest, yeah, I
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I would do an entire, but I would practice it before
we did it.
Do you want to know?
It's funny, okay.
So I took all right.
So Enoch came in this weekendwe went to Catholic Palooza
together.
I met a ton of people atCatholic Palooza.
They were very nice, some a lotof fans of the show.
I was really impressed with howmany new converts were there,
like I mean, listen, this wasn'tmy scene.

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These were like 20 somethingyear old Catholics going to
watch like concerts and stuff.
But I will say this when Enochgot on, he lit the place up.
Man, like they went ballisticfor Enoch.
They loved him, uh.
But I got to spend the weekendwith Enoch, which was awesome.
He got, uh, I took him intoManhattan, I took him to Trump

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tower, I took him to St Pat,took him to saint pat's
cathedral, saint vincent ferrer,and holy innocence.
We go to holy innocence, hitconfession and when we come out
we go to mass.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Now the the mass is being said by the chinese priest
I was gonna say did he haveconfession with the chinese
priest?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
no, we had we, but mass was being said by the
chinese priest who I originallyimpersonated.
So, uh, and then he came backto my house.
We went on the boat sund, thenwe came back, we cooked the
feast.
He got to meet my wife.
We had a really, really goodweekend and, yeah, I got to meet
a bunch of people.
I took Enoch to his first SSPXMass let's go and people

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recognized us at the Mass, bothof us.
People came up to him, peoplecame up to me.
It was pretty fun.
But we also have a merch storewhere we have have you accepted,
mary, as your personal motherand intercessor bumper stickers
and t-shirts.
Which people loved that shirtwhen I was there.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, too bad.
No one bought it.
I checked.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I should have brought 50 of them, but I got so many
compliments on that shirt.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did you print out the flyer I sent you?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I did.
It wasn't dude, it wasn't likeI know, it wasn't that table set
up or anything, and we aregoing to make a new shirt that
says 1,000% in quotes NicholasCavazos.
So anybody, that one will becoming very soon.

(06:23):
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say 1000%.

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Nicholas Cavazos 1000% approve of that idea.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'll need to somehow put your face under like a Trump
pose to put behind it.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You got to get a picture of Nick in a Trump hat.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
I can send you one.
That'd be easy.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
A picture of Nick in a MAGA hat and it just says 1000
nicholas cavazos otherwise Ihave that ai photo I did of you
in the confederate outfit ohyeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I actually really like the idea of me in a maga
hat was saying 1000.
I would totally wear that.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
That actually sounds epic so um, yeah, 1000, etc.
Do you say that?

Speaker 4 (07:05):
do you say, etc I do I do, I do guilty.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Um, all right, so now we can get into stuff.
So, um, the the olympics thingwe got to talk about first,
because do they make maggotcowboy hats?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I don't know if the trump campaign does, but I've
totally seen them at the ralliesso okay, um, so what?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
because everybody did the olympic opening ceremony
conversation, everybody, I meanobviously everybody knows it was
a mockery of leonardo davinci's last supper, um, one of
my biggest tweets ever on thatcontroversy, because I said
notice, they always mockcatholicism and not
protestantism, and everybody gotupset at that.
But it's true, right, it's thetruth, because there are no

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depictions of the last supper inprotestantism that I mean maybe
, maybe anglicanism or like that, maybe, but nothing like the
idea there are no big ones.
None, and the idea of the sacredimage is very Catholic and in a
way, this whole ordeal evenproved why sacred images are so

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important.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, yeah, the left are making their own now.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Right.
So if we don't have sacredimages of our own, they kind of
just fill that space and thething they are mocking is our
sacred image and it almost, asthey're mocking it, it proves
the truth of the, of the, of theclaim, even right, I mean it's.
It's one of those things thatyou really how would you mock

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Protestantism?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, not, nick, I need the thousand percent.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
How is Anthony so good at engagement farming on
exits?
Because then to Lisa's 17 yearold 1000% 1000% true.
I've seen Anthony's Twitter ona few occasions.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
They, they bring, you know the the, the thing at the
Dodger, dodger state right, yeah, yeah, it's always catholicism
that they mock.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
It's always us, it's never.
It's never.
I mean.
Look, I think in a wayprotestants kind of I don't want
to, uh, this is mean, but theykind of themselves well, it's
like what would they even usefor Protestantism to mock?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Because mocking is something where you need some
type of symbol to mock, and ifyour religion is void of symbols
, then what do you mock?
The only thing I can think ofis like back in the day when
Westboro Baptist was in the newsfor all the millennials that
were out there.
People would go out and theywould just, you know, do the
homo thing out there in front ofthem.
But aside from that, that's allI can really think of.

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You think of the satanic templeand black masses and stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
It's all anti-catholic then if they pick
one thing to mock, that's onlygonna upset, you know, two to
three percent of protestants,right, because they're so
different, so many differentvarieties.
How?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
right, they're not unified.
Right, there's no unity.
That one of my other ones thatwent big was I said.
Protestants have been mockingthe Last Supper for 500 years.
This is nothing new for us.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
A hundred percent yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
A thousand percent right because I people don't get
the idea of cult right.
Somebody, somebody keeps peopleconstantly calling catholicism

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a cult and it's like, yes, weare the original cult of jesus
christ, like understanding creed, code and cult.
Creed is what you believe, codeis how you live and cult is how
you worship.
These three aspects are whatunite a people.
It's what brings us together.
You don't have that unity inany other form of Christianity

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like you do under RomanCatholicism.
There's not.
You don't have that in Orthodox.
You don't mock Orthodoxy.
You never see mockery ofOrthodoxy like that.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, it's because once again, they they're not
united.
You know you.
So you can mock the russianorthodox church, which a lot
have done with the whole war inukraine, but the greek orthodox
are going to cheer that onbecause they don't like the
russians.
You might mock the greeks andthe russians are going to cheer,
you know.
So, once again, there's nounity there.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, that's the, that's the.
The unifying principle behindour faith is that it's the
universal church.
There's nothing that even comesclose to the Catholic church.
We are universal in that itdoesn't matter your ethnicity,
it doesn't matter where you live.
You can be brought into thiscult.
Now what I noticed bringingEnoch to Mass on Sunday, because

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we went to confession at HolyInnocence and came out to a
Unicorn Novus Ordo.
It was a Unicorn Novus Ordo, itwas ad orientum, it was the
whole nine.
But we were sitting there andwe come out of confession.
I'm like you want to just stayfor Mass?
And we're like, yeah, all right, we'll stay for Mass.
It was a very reverent NovusOrdo which is very hard to find.
But while I'm sitting there Irealized I was reciting every

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single word.
The priest said it's justingrained in you from going to
the Novus Ordo as a child andgoing to it all your life.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Do you mean that the priest?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
said?
Or do you mean the responses,everything the priest was saying
as he's consecrating the host,everything like word for word.
I was able to recite the entirething.
I might miss a word here orthere but, like, as he's going,
I'm able to recite it all.
And when we got out, we had thiswhole conversation about how
the novus ordo just took themystery away from what's

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happening at the mass.
Like we had like an hour longdiscussion on how the all the
transcendence and mystery isjust not there.
The idea of the priest recitingthe Roman canon in silence at
the altar like lends to thatmystery and in silence at the
altar like lends to that mystery.
And if you read the Missal, theMissal I have actually has this

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whole paragraph about how,since you know time immemorial,
the Roman canon has been recitedin silence to lend itself to
that mystery, so that you're notreally supposed to know exactly
what the priest is saying upthere, because it's the mystery
of faith.
Now, it's the mystery of faithand it just takes all of that
away.
And then when you get intoseeing how different every

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single novus ordo mass is, it itfractures us as catholics.
So you have a spanish novusordo over here and you have the
english novus ordo over here,then you have.
So you have a Spanish NovusOrdo over here and you have the
English Novus Ordo over here,then you have the progressive
Novus Ordo church here and youhave the more conservative one
over here.
And even in the Novus Ordoworld people are traveling three

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parishes over to go to aconservative Novus Ordo because
they have a liberal priest atthis one, and you just think
about what that did to thechurch itself and fractured the
unity that we do.
Now we still do have unity andwe do unite around the Pope and
certain things, but ever sincethe Novus Ordo was introduced
you don't have this unifiedfront as the Catholic faith

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anymore.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
And when they mock us , they don't mock the nova sordo
, they mock the traditionalfaith yeah, I'm glad that you
got to go to a reverend talmudicservice because you know
they're they're rare out there.
Unicorn talmud prayers maybe inlatin.
You get your talmud prayers inlatin.
It's really cool.
Um, I think that the main issue,of course, is I would actually

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push back and I would say Idon't really think catholics,
catholics, have.
Catholicism always has intrinsicunity, right, but I think the
vast majority of individuals who, whether it's through ignorance
or whether it's through militia, don't actually have unity.
And the reason I say this isbecause, when you look at the
creed, we believe in one holyCatholic and apostolic church.
That phrase, one in thecatechisms, just means that we

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believe in the same doctrine,right in the same doctrine.
We're of one body, onecommunion, one baptism, etc.
And I don't think that we all,quote-unquote under the church,
believe in the same doctrine.
I don't think that onerealistically can say we like,
even between the two masses, wehold the same conception of
sacrifice.
I mean because, literally, ifone of them is, let's

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de-emphasize the propitiatorynature to placate to Protestants
, throw some Talmud prayers inthere, and then the other one is
this is in seed form, goes backto St Peter the Apostle and
over 1900 years organicallydevelops.
Things that are differentaren't the same, and so I think
that, at the end of the day, ifpeople want consistency, they
have to just return to thetraditional faith.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I mean, it's why we feel such a need to put
descriptors in front of ourCatholicism.
Right, it's why you know youhave trad Catholics or
conservative Catholics or whathave you.
Because when I say I'm Catholicto someone, I don't want them
to think that I'm the type ofcatholic that thinks, uh, the
death penalty is, as you know,wrong as abortion.

(16:08):
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like I don't, because I'm notthat.
Well, number one, that's notcatholic, and I just want, I
want to make that clear, and Ican only do so by saying I'm a
traditional catholic, or yeah,exactly, and it's sad because,
as I've said before, catholicismis not an Overton window
religion.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
That whole idea was inserted in the 60s when
everything just became up tograbs, because if the mass can
be changed I mean, just thinkabout how crazy this is If the
actual Roman rite can be changedand gutted, then what else is
up for grabs?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Everything.
Yeah, Strange times we're inman.
But I thought then what?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
else is up for grabs Everything, yeah yeah, strange
times were a man, but I thoughtit was interesting how, even
when they do mock us like evenwhen you look at the thing at
Dodger stadium they were mockingnuns and habits.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah Right, they're not going to do like a like, a
like, a drag.
Crucifixion scene at Dodgerstadium.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, it was wild.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I mean crucifixion scene at dodger stadium.
Yeah, yeah, it was wild.
I mean, look, they always dothe drag thing, right.
It just.
It's the one thing that makesyou see how satanic it really is
, it's exactly it's because,look, this is their
transubstantiation, right?
so transubstantiation, webelieve that the bread and wine
remain the same in appearance,but the substance has changed.
They change in appearance andthe substance stays the same,

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but they that it's an inversionof transubstantiation.
It is religious in the, in, Imean everything about it is
religious in it.
What they're doing, what theyperformed, there was a, a, a
satanic ritual.
You just it's not just about.
We were offended, like I'm notoffended that I mean I am

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offended, but it's more so thatnobody does anything about it,
nobody cares anymore.
Like France, you have notredame cathedral there, you have
this, they're the eldestdaughter of the church and they
just allow the faith to betrampled like that, without even

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a protest, without anything.
Um, I put in a, um a clip ofandrew tate, I think.
Did you see that in the in thething, rob?
Yeah, I did, actually like andagain.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Like we all have our criticisms of andrew tate.
I think did you see that in thein the thing, rob?
I did actually like and again.
Like we all have our criticismsof andrew tate the good, the
bad, the ugly.
But props to him for actuallysaying what needed to be said in
this clip but, but it's.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
And I also sent an article where even like uh,
muslim clerics were coming outand speaking out against this.
It's like that they would nevermock Islam.
But even even the Muslimsunderstand this is shockingly
offensive.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, cause I mean their religion, like Christ, is
at least a prophet, and sothey're going to be offended by
this Cause it's betraying, youknow, in their mind, one of the
prophets in a bad sense.
I know the SSPX protestedagainst it because in all of the
chapels yesterday in Francethey were supposed to do acts of
reparation.
After all, the masses and allof the priests were commanded to
give homilies, basicallyrebuking this.
And so in French, apparentlyone sermon that's going viral on

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the French side of the internetis the SSPX sermon from Notre
Dame de Chardonnay, orSaint-Nicolas de Chardonnay in
Paris, where the priest is justrailing against it.
So props to him.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, play that entertain clip real quick.
Just listen to what he says.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Guys, I believe you're most of you are
Christians, I'm a Muslim.
Yes, this is Romania.
It's supposed to be the mostChristian country in Europe.
You cannot allow them todesecrate something as important
as the last supper withtranssexuals and little children
pedophilia.
There has to be a point.
You stand up to your beliefs.
If you have something in lifeand you don't stand up for it,
it will not last.
If you have a house you don'tmaintain it, it will fall down.

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Business you don't work, it'sgone.
Relationship you don't takecare of her, she'll leave you.
It's the same with religion.
If you Christians don't startstanding up for things when they
mock you publicly and openly,you'll have no religion left.
It doesn't matter.
It's a matter of time,especially now.
Romania and all these othercountries have opened the border
.
Millions of people who comehere are not Christian, and if
you don't say this is aChristian country and we respect

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Christianity, they won'trespect it either.
It's the end, and it's theman's job.
It's the job of men to defendthings.
This is what a man is supposedto do.
It's man and woman for a reason, but the man is a fighter.
The man not to stand up andfight against these things, guys
.
This is supposed to be the mostchristian country in europe.
When they try this crap again,I expect to see you all at the

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so um props to him, props to himprops to him.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Look, and I know um bishop baron came out and said
something which was great, but Ihaven't heard anything from
francis or the vatican.
I haven't heard any like.
I haven't heard like an uproarof bishops saying they're
outraged.
But you get.
Muslim leaders condemndisgraceful olympic scene.
It offended us as much as them.
Top government officials iniran and turkey, along with

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other muslim religious figures,are speaking out against this
drag queen-led parody.
The last supper at the ParisOlympics opening ceremony that
shocked Christians and othersacross the world, the Supreme
leader of Iran, ayatollah,whatever his name is- insults
against.
Jesus Christ noting that Jesusis a respected figure in Islam.
Respect for Jesus Christ is anindisputable definite matter for

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for Muslims.
So look, you have them comingout right and saying all this.
You have Andrew Tate speakingup, but I don't see that many
Christianly.
I am grateful that BishopBarron came out and said
something, and he even came outand said something against their
fake apology Like they had anonsense apology.
Oh, we didn't mean to offend.
That's nonsense.
It's ridiculous.
You did intend to offend.

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That's nonsense.
It's ridiculous.
You did intend to offend andyou were actually shocked that
you got any backlash.
And to combat it you have.
Uh, olympics, french dj takeslegal action after death threats
over opening ceremony intableau.
So barbara butch has said sheis.
I don't even know if those arepronouns.
Is this a girl or a man?
Is barbara butch a dude?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
well, I have a feeling that if this individual
says they're trans, whateverthey look like, it's the yeah,
I'm gonna say yeah just gonnaguess y'all.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I can't tell.
Uh has said it is a target ofuh I'm not even gonna say that
word threats from viewers whothought one section of the
Olympic ceremony was resembledLeonardo da Vinci's Last Supper.
A French DJ and Rainbow Rightsicon said it has filed police
reports over targeted deaththreats for its participation in

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a section of the Olympicsopening ceremony.
So this is just propaganda tocombat, like claiming that she
was threatened or it wasthreatened.
I honestly don't know what thatis.
Claiming that it was threatenedis just them trying to combat
and flip the bad behavior backon Christians.

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That's what that is.
They're just trying to flip thebad behavior.
This is I was given deaththreats and all this stuff.
That's just a way for them toflip the narrative back on its
head so that we're now the oneswho are wrong again because we
threaten violence.
I don't believe a word of that.
I don't think any violence wasthreatened.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I think it's complete nonsense no, what she, what she
, he, she or they, I don't know?
No, I don't know what it is.
Got a threat which probablytranslates into got criticism
online.
Didn't like the criticismonline and do what leftists do
best, which is gaslightingpeople.
Leftists are the quintessentialgreatest gaslighters because

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they will say anything from milkis racist, math, math is racist
, air conditionings are sexist,criticism of me is transphobic.
Yada, yada yada.
It doesn't really matter.
But to your point, anthony,you're right.
There was not a whole lot ofoutcry from major public
authorities.
I saw Modern Papers he put itout.
The French bishops, I did seethe French bishops comment on it

(24:05):
, but I didn't really see themcondemn it in serious terms.
And that's the issue.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I think what's crazy is Novus Ordo Watch today posted
Francis' response to theincident from last week and
Francis comes out and he saysthings like this are horrific.
No one should use their freespeech to be offensive like this
.
The burning of the quran is areprehensible he was talking

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about.
So when, when, if you burn thequran, francis will come out and
condemn that, but silence.
But it's kind of strange.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I haven't heard much from francis recently, right
ever since no I haven't heardanything from him no, I, I
actually asked the uh, the uhtelegram chat.
I said I have this, like youknow, suspicion that pope
francis is like this, this synodin october, that this is going
to be kind of the last thingpope francis does.

(25:02):
He's unwell, like I think.
I think he's on the way out,like I would not.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
You guys are gonna get me like the biden thing,
don't?
You guys are just getting melike I know what you guys are up
to.
You're trying to make me thinkhe's not in good shape.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Wait, I didn't see vegano's statement um well he,
so he called michelle obama andMichelle.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Obama and Macron's wife.
Men, I love it.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Let me tell you something the Macron thing is
legit.
The Macron thing is legit Ifyou really see the photo.
I've been watching CandaceOwens a little bit lately and
she shows you, like, some of theevidence.
And show show bridget, whateverher name is, show show a

(25:52):
picture of that thing is there aconspiracy theory that macron
is a is a woman?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
no, it's that he married a man oh, I gotcha
gotcha.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
he married a man, oh, I got you he married a man, and
it's not just that, nick, hiswife, you know whatever was his
teacher when he was 14 years old?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yes, that's a fact, that's a fact.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
So the whole thing is , this is a trans.
Alright, so that's really adude.
Was his teacher at 14 andgroomed him.
Come on, man.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
You know I'm not going to say yay or nay to that,
but I'm just going to saywasn't really a trophy wife in
the end?
That's just all.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
But the thing is, when people get old it is hard
to tell the old queens can pullit off better than the young
ones.
Put the sexes coming up.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Rob Quick, Put the sexes coming up.
No, yeah, I don't know.
No, I mean, I'm serious, Ithink.
Well, that's my point.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
What Sean said right.
So some women do just age it is.
It is hard to especially whenyou're evil.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah yeah, well, I guess we'll see.
My whole point was just I dothink pope francis, like I don't
think it's gonna be anotheryear, I think he's, I think he's
out, don't get me anthony allup.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I'm just saying I was told this about Biden.
He's, you know, rob texted me.
He's like I don't know man,this guy might be coming out.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Hold on.
What did you say right afterthat?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I said I think so too , but that was my point about in
that last episode.
I said that whole story was.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
But it was so weird, what they?
Well, yeah, I mean, like youcan understand why people would
think he was dead just becausehomeboy was gone for multiple
days, five days and then likeeven in the signature for his,
like he he quits on twitter.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
His staff doesn't know that he quit until they
didn't even put the letter onletterhead exactly like exactly,
and then his signature was allscrewed up.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
So you know, it's kind of understandable for all
of us to be like yo, what theheck?
Where did the leader of thefree world go?
He's gone.
Yeah, pope francis resigns on.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
How freaking hilarious would that be the
conspiracies that would come out?

Speaker 4 (28:16):
probably we would have some youtubers try to add
that to like the new testament.
I don't know.
No, no, you know what?

Speaker 1 (28:23):
he resigned on on twitter.
He didn't resign the moonisyeah, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
That was the joke I made with biden.
Um, all right, so wait, butshould we get into the, the main
story, and then we'll do someof the other things we got?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
we should cover the lead.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yes, we're all right, so we won't bury the lead, just
cover the lead we can talkabout.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
I I sent a couple of interesting political ones in
the chat that are relevant, likethe text messages and stuff
from the FBI.
You heard all this story andstuff the last few days.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, I've heard some of it.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get into political stuff
after this.
Okay, so the title for the show?
The US State Department had amole in the vatican feeding them
information about how tointerfere with the 1958 conclave
, so a moderate would be elected.
Eventually, angela roncalliemerged victorious.
Months later, he announced hisintention to hold vatican ii.

(29:17):
So the document this is a StateDepartment document dated
October 11th 1958.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yep and this was declassified.
It looks like March of 1990.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
How come this came up in the news today?
This is just somebody onTwitter just popped this up.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I think so because Tim Flandangers has talked about
this before multiple timesthere was an interview, I forget
on the channel um someone saidit in the telegram chat um dr
robert moynihan, maybe oh, yeah,yeah he interviewed someone who
just who wrote a book about um,about a lot of the like vatican

(30:02):
bank corruption over the lastcentury um, and this was
mentioned during there.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, and I think that's why it was resurfaced
recently so look, we know thecia was involved in the the end,
the council itself.
There was a lot of jewishinvolvement.
There was a lot of ciainvolvement.
They were trying to getdifferent documents put through.
They weren't successful on somefronts but they were on others.

(30:29):
But okay, so limiteddistribution.
During conversation withembassy officer Vatican, source
expressed personal view nextpope will be elected outside
conclave by agreement betweencardinals.
Source said Pius Xth electedthis, elected this man basically
pious.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
The 12th was elected in that manner.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Okay, so now this is before john paul ii comes out
with his rules, saying right, so.
So john paul ii changes likecanon law about people election,
saying they cannot be heldoutside, like you can't, you
can't, um it can't be likeoutside influence pressuring
some cardinals to votes acertain way right and you also,

(31:12):
and you also can't, um, likewhat would they call that?
like I don't know petition, butlike uh, canvassing and things
like that for for someparticular candidate right, and
recalled that, as Cardinals wereentering the 1939 conclave,
cardinal Pizzardo had called himaside and asked him to prepare

(31:33):
a biographical sketch of Pacelli, and he consulted with
Monsignor Montini and bothdecided, for obvious reasons,
not to go ahead with Pizzardo'srequest.
So what was his request?
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
So, cardinal Pizzardo , whoever the source is, which
the source isn't named CardinalPizzardo called this person
aside and asked this person toprepare a biography of Pacelli.
Pacelli became Pius XII right.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Okay, so he won.
Oh, I got you.
So this was CIA wanted.
Basically, what do they callthat when they do research Like
opposition research, Oppositionresearch?
Yeah yeah, they wantedopposition research on Pius XII.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Now, Montini is Paul VI.
Paul VI, isn't he?

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Now Montini is Paul VI.
Paul VI isn't he?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
So this source and Montini Paul VI decided not to
follow that request, basically.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Okay, speculating on Pius XII's successor source.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
The source for this.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Okay, said college may very well choose an old
cardinal whose short pontificatemay be devoted entirely to the
reorganization of the romancuria left by deceased pope in
deplorable state.
Source indicated election of ofsiri, rufini, rufini ottaviani
would be misfortunate, would bemisfortune for church, since the

(33:01):
three cardinals have had it'shard for me to read this have an
unrealistic approach to greatproblems facing the world today
oh brother, that's great.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Just because if anybody knows those names,
ottaviani was the one.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
The ottaviani intervention.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
These are the guys who helped write the um these
were hard conservatives they.
Ottaviani was the head of theHoly Office, so he was part of
that strict Orthodox group inthe council.
So it's very funny.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Okay, so so indicate an election of Siri Ruffini
Ottaviani would be I think it'sOttaviani would be a misfortune
for the church, since the threecardinals have an unrealistic
approach to the great problemsfacing the world today.
Since the three Cardinals havean unrealistic approach to the
great problems facing the worldtoday, Source said election of

(33:52):
any one of the three coulddepend on influence of American
Cardinals and volunteeredsuggestions.
Us authorities would do well toexercise discreetly their own
influence on certain AmericanCardinals.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I think Cardinal Siri was the one.
I think Father Murr talks abouthim in murder in the 33rd
degree.
He was the one.
Was he the one in genoa thatwas um helping uh oh, who?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
uh, ganyan, do the investigation yeah, he was, he
was one of the freemasons on thefreemasons and siri was a huge
anti-communist cardinal Right.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, so the CIA wrote fake stuff to prevent
popes who would have wanted frombeing chosen.
Now this just shows you howmuch the CIA, the State
Department, the American deepstate has their tentacles in
church politics, even like.
So all of us are hopeful thatwe'll get a conservative pope

(34:53):
next.
Or, you know, we want atraditional pope.
I don't think there's manyoptions for that, really don't.
I don't think there are manytraditional cardinals, really
don't I don't think there aremany traditional cardinals Now.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
The closest you could maybe maybe give an argument
for is Burke, but I wouldn't sayin like the classic full sense
of being trad.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
No, and he's also unelectable.
He's an American.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
He's 85 at this point now, so you can't be elected,
right?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
He can be elected, he can't vote.
Yeah, technically that's right,that's right that's right.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
That's right about any baptized catholic male can
technically hold the office, andso maybe, maybe there'll be a
insane attempt and we'll have uh, I'll be elected pope.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
You never know well, he will be one thousand percent
one thousand will be at theconclave.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
He just won't be able to vote.
I think 75 is voting right, oris it 80 you're?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
you're, you're african and all the africans and
that live in rome, no oh, he'sunder 80.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
He's still eligible to vote.
Okay, I thought he was.
I thought burke, I mean burke's.
He's getting older, I thoughthe was over 80.
Um, well, that's good.
Maybe he'll have some influenceat the, at the conclave, but I
bet, I bet he will you know Idon't think they'd vote for you
for pope.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I mean, look at the last time we had a spaniard as
pope so true, so true, plus,plus.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
I don't think people would like me because I'd be
that type of guy where I'd likecome out wasn't alexander the
sixth last spaniard.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yes, that's my favorite, let's go.
Yeah, I'd come out.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
But it would be, it'd be too much because I'd come
out with like a papal tiara on,but then when I took the papal
tiara off, you would see a magaum, yeah, no, I just okay.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
so now that that also , uh, you clearly have to think,
was francis handpicked by thestate Department.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I mean, there's a very, I think the only one that
maybe hasn't been handpicked bythe State Department since Paul
VI, benedict Well.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
John Paul I.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, because he was probably murdered.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, he was probably taken out by them.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
So that interview that I mentioned, that dr robert
moynihan did, I listened to thefirst part of it today and I
didn't get to this part, butthey talked about how it is very
possible that bias the 11th wasactually, uh, assassinated too
oh interesting because he wasabout to publish the day, the
day after he died.
He was about to publish the dayafter he died.

(37:24):
He was supposed to publish avery harsh condemnation of Nazi
Germany.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Oh, I read that, yeah , yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
That would have ended the German church tax and would
have meant a ton of money lostfor the Vatican money lost for
the Vatican.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
If only that could have been, because then we
wouldn't be dealing withCatholics who try to say that
Mustache man and MaximilianKolbe are in the same religion
and both based.
Yeah, no, that would beinteresting.
It reminds me of when Pius XII,before he died, he actually had
an encyclical that people cango and read online.
That was his full-fledgedcondemnation of the Nouvelle
Theology, veil theology itliterally had.
It was like a syllabus oferrors style I gave out, like

(38:07):
multiple different hereticalpropositions, but then homeboy
died.
It's like goodness grief, it'sso well look we, we.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
We know that the state department's going to
meddle in everything they can.
That's what they do, um, but wecould still have hope, right,
it's not like they can.
You know, god is more powerfulthan the State Department.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Like if you believe in divine providence.
Whoever goes into that conclaveand comes out as Pope is going
to be Pope, because God is theone who chose it for our
blessing or our chastisement.
We don't have to worry about it.
In the long run, though, yourdiscussion on the State
Department meddling around inthings since, particularly like
the 40s and 50s, that's alldocumented in, I think it's the

(38:52):
book Not an Empire, but aRepublic by Patrick Buchanan.
Shout out to Patrick Buchananhe's still alive, probably one
of my favorite politicalphilosophers of all time.
He ran for president a coupletimes and worked in the Nixon
administration, but old schoolpaleocon, but he talks about
yeah, since World War II we'vehad the State Department, the
CIA, fbi, all the three-letteragencies, et cetera, meddle

(39:14):
around in other people's stuff,while at the same time we allow
our roads to go unpaved here,our veterans to be homeless,
mass immigration to come acrossour border and take jobs, etc.
We got to think of our own.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, it's just, man, you hope, above all of the
nonsense, that we just come outof the next conclave with a man
of God.
You really want the nextpopelave with with a man of god
like you.
Just, you really want the nextpope to take the catholic faith
seriously.
I mean, you know, just to tryand right this ship a little bit

(39:53):
.
I mean, it might be one ofthose things that we just don't
see in our lifetime.
But I also think 2024 is goingso crazy that even even the
olympics thing like I don'tthink we've seen anything yet,
just that imagery.
We saw the whole thing withtrump in the last week.
You just think about all theimagery being thrown at us.
I think that this year is justgoing to get exceedingly more

(40:17):
and more crazy as we approachthe election and as we approach
that synod.
It just seems like things arejust escalating and amplifying
rapidly.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, that's the nature of just the world.
Every four years everythingkind of just goes off.
But I think it's it's excitingbecause if people actually, you
know, decide to do somethingabout it, that they can be
involved.
As an example, I have nowalmost 20 guys signed up to go
and do election canvassing withme up in one of the Rust Belt
states.
So viewers who are out there,if you want, message me and if

(40:51):
you live in like Pennsylvania,michigan, wisconsin and stuff,
come say hey.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
So what are you doing ?
You're registering people tovote.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
No, so actually I got in touch specifically with the
Trump campaign no-transcript.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Just make sure to bring your AR.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
So true, bro, so true .
We're definitely going to goover to where the famous
shooting took place and justtake it all in, because that's
some history, you know in Butler.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
We got a couple of stories we can touch on.
Next we got priest offers massin a swimming pool.
Oh, beautiful, beautiful.
We got California.
Dad wins custody of his sonwhose mother was trying to
transition him as I get olderand consider marriage.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
I've been considering more and more a prenup, which I
just never thought I'd ever beconsidering in my life, but just
of how crazy things are gettingwhat about?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
yeah, what about the three kids in uk, the three
little kids in the uk thing thatjust happened?
I didn't even know.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I I just started hearing about this like 10, 15
minutes ago all right, oh no,that happened yesterday, and now
there's like full-scale riotsgoing on.
I just started hearing aboutthis like 10, 15 minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Oh really, oh, no, that happened yesterday and now
there's full-scale riots goingon.
What Sounds like the Englishmight actually be rising up, I
think.
They're burning vehiclesoutside of mosques and stuff.
And now the UK is putting outstories through their propaganda
arm saying this is the edl, theenglish defense league, or
something.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Um, so taylor, swift and do you have an article on it
?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I sent an article there.
Yeah uh, taylor swift in shockafter fatal stabbing of three
kids at dance class celebratingher music first off, why the
hell would you put taylor?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Who the hell cares what Taylor Swift feels like
about the three kids just beingmurdered?

Speaker 3 (43:07):
So sorry that pisses me off, Thank you, taylor Swift
said Tuesday that she wascompletely in shock at the three
.
This is the only story I couldfind on this.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Thank you, JD, for the super chat First off.
Funny that JD, because vicepresidential nominee.
But yeah, people are inPennsylvania.
Go out and support PresidentTrump at the Butler rally.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
He's going back okay, so uh, taylor Swift said
Tuesday that she was completelyin shock after three children
were killed at a dance workshopcelebrating her music in a
British seaside town.
Eight other children wereinjured, five of them critically
, in what police call aferocious knife attack not a
terrorist attack Monday inSouthport, a seaside town in
northwest England near Liverpool.
On Tuesday authoritiesannounced the third child had

(43:46):
died.
Three of the victims were namedby police.
We don't have to say theirnames.
Two adults were also criticallyinjured.
They tried to defend thechildren.
The four said the horror ofyesterday's attack in Southport
is washing over me continuouslyand I'm just completely in shock
.
Swift said these were justlittle kids at dance class.
She added Like this is whatthey are the Mohammedans are

(44:13):
doing.
No words can describe this.
I don't care what Taylor Swiftsays.
No words can describe thedevastation that has hit our
family as we try to deal withthe loss of our little girl.
Bb king's family said uh, keepsmiling and dancing like you
love to do, our princess, likewe said before to you, you're

(44:33):
always our princess and no onewould change that.
The comments came as localpolice left flowers and stuffed
animals in tribute at a policecordon near where the incident
took place in town, which isfamed for its beach and pier.
Britain's prime ministervisited the seaside, but I want
to hear what happened.
So what?

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Here we go, here we go.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
OK, you scroll down a little.
Police police said a 17 yearold boy was arrested in
connection with the attack.
Investigators said he was froma nearby village of banks but
did not offer a motive.
However, they said the attackwas not being treated as terror
related and no one else wasbelieved to be connected this.
This is a 17 year old guy.
He's an immigrant.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
His parents are from rwanda they say he was born in
cardiff, but yes, his parentsare rwandan and I would imagine
they're muslim um man, this isnuts.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
So basically, uh, england right now.
Let's see if we can findanything.
Um southport riots, let's seesouthport so it does say here.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
There was a protest outside a mosque in southport
and police were attacked by acrowd of men, many of whom were
wearing masks and hoodies.
Some chanted far, far-rightslogans you know, probably like
I don't know, don't kill ourkids.
That's probably far-right inBritain.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
So extreme.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Okay, so I got it here.
Riot police on the scene at amosque in Southport as angry
crowds throw bricks, set offireworks after multiple
children were stabbed in theTaylor Swift-themed dance class,
officers are believed to havesustained injuries.
As chaotic scenes unfold withmen, several wearing but I sent
this to the chat Rob Bob Clavis,throw loose bits of masonry and
shout England until I die.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So a police van until I die is considered far right
now.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Just like make America great again, like if you
just love your country, you'reinsane.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Okay, so there's, there's video too.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Uh, uh, let's see if you could get through the
commercial, see if you can playthat video, or when you're about
to watch this one get anall-state commercial coming up
first police had seen a southpawstabbing his children.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I said this is probably from the original event
yeah, I probably don't reallywant to see that, to be honest,
okay um assistant chiefconstable alex uh goss, says
there has been much speculationand hypothesis around the status
of the 17 year old male who wasin police custody, and some
individuals are using this tobring violence and disorder to
our streets.
This is why they claim to notrelease the identity and the

(47:06):
motive.
This is what they're worriedabout.
If they release the motive ofthe Trump, the Trump assassin,
if they release the motive ofthat girl down in the girl, the
yeah, the girl.
She was actually a girl whowent and shot up the Christian
school.
Naturally they're confused, likethey don't't whenever you don't

(47:27):
hear the motive.
You know it's something thatwould actually make the
mainstream population rise up.
So they try to, they try tocontrol the information to us.
They don't let us know what'sgoing on and people have had it.
Man, I don't understand.
I mean, you look at even whatFrance did with this Olympics
thing.
You allow them to mock yournational religion and you also

(47:56):
allowed your country to be takenover by Muslim men.
I mean we've seen how manychurches burned down in france
over the last decade the uh.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
The other day was just the like ninth anniversary
of eighth or ninth anniversaryof the martyrdom of uh, father
hamil, or that french, that oldfrench who was who was attacked
during mass right?
Yeah, killed on the altarkilled on the altar.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
I mean, you guys mock your own faith and then invite
this army essentially into yourcountry.
I think europe is heading fordecimation.
I I think this is going to bepart of god's chastisement upon
europe for abandoning the faithI think, a thousand percent, if

(48:42):
I have to mean myself a thousandpercent.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
And what you see?
What you see in this is that,just like here in the States, we
have stupid people enactingstupid decisions to feel better
or to feel good about themselvesor in order to get money from a
globalist society.
At the end of the day, all ofthese societies want to push
mass migration, whether that'slegal or illegal, into the

(49:05):
country, and the issue with thisis, of course, the left always
likes to blame the right bysaying you're racist, you're
homophobic, x, y and Z.
The reality is, this hasnothing to do with race.
It has everything to do withculture.
Our cultures, which are definedby Christianity and by European
philosophies, etc.
Are being destroyed byindividuals who do not value

(49:28):
those said societies, and sowhat we need to do as
individuals is say yeah, let'sget these knuckleheads out of
power, which is going to have totake more than just voting.
It's got to take some real workin order to get these guys out.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Rob, did you want to add something?
I was going to add something Iwant I was gonna say so.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I do have a video about the riot, but before that
I'm just gonna say I don't knowif europe does like europe as a
civilization, as a people andculture.
I don't know if they survive itor not, but either way, I think
we're on the brink of probablythe most horrifying and
devastating and terrible racewar the world's ever seen.

(50:05):
I don't think, I think, don'tthink europeans put up with this
much longer and, like I said, Idon't know if they win in the
end, but I, I think, I thinkit's.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I think it's going to be part of god's chastisement
for his people and that's goingto be how he calls them back to
him.
Now Phoebe said we're doingthis to ourselves, so we're
doing this here too, but I don't.
I mean America.
It's part of the West, but itwas never a Catholic country.

(50:34):
Right when, when you look atEurope, you look at European
history.
European history is Catholichistory.
There's no separating Europeanhistory from church history,
theyolic history.
It is no separating europeanhistory from church history.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
They are one in the same I mean by the time, by the
time america was formed,christendom was basically dead
and we had actually kind ofhelped killed it well, yeah, you
could.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
You could say continentally, you could
actually say we were catholic incertain pockets texas, florida
canada yeah, it's like so largesouth america and actually the
abandonment of the faith ishappening throughout the entire
west.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
It's yeah, it's not.
It's not unique to that, I meanjokingly, but also it's in my
series.
It's like the vatican's not acatholic country, so we just
need to understand that realityat the moment.
But, yeah, you're right, Ithink, rob, there is going to be
some type of cataclysmic event,because look at all of the
previous European elections thatwe've seen over the last year
and a half or so, most of theright-wing parties have gotten

(51:29):
into power, and the onlyexceptions are France and the UK
.
The UK, because the ConservativeParty completely abandoned its
mission and its promise to itsvoting base that they were going
to rein in immigration and youhad, thankfully, nigel Farage's
Reform Party rise up, and that'swhat they were going to rein in
immigration.
And you had, thankfully, nigelfarage's reform party rise up,
and that's what they were reallyfocusing in on.

(51:49):
And so they're gonna have tosuffer through four or five
years of labor leadership now,which is going to do absolutely
nothing, uh, for the britishpeople.
And then, of course, withfrance, it was just macron
centrist liberals who decided togo ahead and back the
socialists because they were soafraid of marie le pen's party
getting in and actually puttingfrance first for their own
people.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
It's insane there was a fiction book written probably
20 some years ago, shortlyafter, like, the war in iraq
started.
I think it was written by anauthor named ralph pet think,
and I forget the name of thebook, but it's basically this
premise of a larger war in theMiddle East taking place,

(52:29):
probably about now.
That had started after, more orless, a new Holocaust kicked
off in Europe by Europeansagainst Muslim immigrants, and I
think it was just amazing thatthat man foresaw such a thing 20
years ago and I think we'rereally starting to see the
beginning of it play out nowyeah, and this is something we

(52:51):
should pray against.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
We should pray, obviously, for massive
conversion in the muslimpopulation, because war is never
I outside of several instancesof legitimate, just war.
War is a horrible, horriblething that most of us just do
not even understand how horriblewar is.
But you're right, you cannot atthe end of well, look, we

(53:26):
shoved all of these tribes inAfrica together and they were
warring with each other, but wesay get along and be their own
country.
But then those same people say,well, we should welcome the
entire world into the West andwe'll all be hunky-dory.
It's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
It's the same thing it's the same thing.
Yeah, I, I you have to thinkit's intentional because they
want to, because it seems likethe elites are intentionally
allowing not just immigration,but immigration from people that
are so culturally differentfrom us that they want to
disintegrate.

(54:01):
Whatever there is that unifiesus as a country, right?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
It's.
This was the book I justremembered, if anyone is
interested, the war afterArmageddon by Ralph Peters.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
And this is a fiction book.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yep, it's a fiction book.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
All right, I might check that out.
Need a good, good book to read.
Thank you, appreciate it.
I might check that out.
Need a good, a good book toread.
Thank you, appreciate it.
Okay, so it seems like they areintentionally bringing in
people that have such completelydifferent cultures from us so
that we have absolutely nothingthat binds us anymore, like we
were talking earlier about.
Like Catholicism, right, andhow Catholicism is meant.

(54:40):
Like what is the purpose ofreligion?
Religion is meant to bind us.
It's like you're aiming at.
I mean, it's going to soundbetter.
Oh, look who's here, look who'shere.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
We're talking to people from the Middle East too.
What was that?
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
No, rob, we were talking about immigration and
Rob made a Middle Eastern joketo our Iraqi friend over here,
sorry brother.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
The least people you want to accept in this country
is from the Middle East.
So the first people I can tellyou that I'll be the first
person to run that operation.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Yeah, no, so I was making the point I said part of
the reason it seems like they'reallowing all this immigration
in is to take away anything thatbinds us as a people.
I was saying how, like thewhole point of catholicism is
this it, our religion, is meantto bind us together and it seems
like they fractured that in the60s by introducing the, this

(55:43):
new right that we go and weworship with, so that kind of
fragmented the church to make itso that we're not even unified
as catholics anymore.
They desensitized all of oursensibilities, of just even even
our catholic sensibilitiesthey've desensitized, so there's
nothing that unites us ascatholics anymore.
You can't even get any of us toagree on anything.

(56:03):
I actually saw left-leaningCatholics defending what
happened at the Olympics, sayingthat we need to chill out, and
you know it's just left thatbinds us and it seems like
something that they're trying toeven maybe divide and conquer
so that there's as long as we'reall at odds with each other,

(56:28):
we'll never look at them.
It's just a way to keep usfragmented to the point where
we're arguing about the genderstuff, we're arguing about all
these stupid things and never,at any point, do we all look at
each other and go look at whatthey're doing to us.
They are actually taking anyability we have to support our
families they're taking away.
They're destroying our economy.
They're destroying ourlivelihood.

(56:49):
They're destroying our children.
None of us ever focus on thereal problem, because we're all
fighting with each other.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Does anyone know a good artist that can redo the
Divine Mercy image into amasculine Jesus?
Would this be sacrilegious?
That can redo the Divine Mercyimage into a masculine Jesus?
Would this be sacrilegious?
I mean, it wouldn't besacrilegious to do an image, but
I'm afraid artists aren'treally my.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
If anyone can do it, it's Chris Virtuous, yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Yeah, he knocked it out of the park, yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Yeah, to your point, anthony.
Everyone should go and checkout.
I'll pin it or I'll put it inthe comments section.
Once I can remember it I'll goback into the video and put it
in the comments section.
But there's a.
Do you guys know the John BirchSociety?
You guys have heard of thembefore.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Yeah, the John Birch Society is an old-school
paleoconservative Americanpolitical organization that's
infamous for its anti-communism.
It's a fantastic organization.
They put out severaldocumentaries, particularly
during the blm riots, talkingabout how communists go into
communities and they try todivide people by instead of what
you would think, which is like,hey, let's break down barriers
and all be equal, right?
No, it's.
Let's divide people by race.
Let's divide people by's.
Let's divide people by race,let's divide people by class,

(58:05):
let's divide people by genderDepends on what group you're
trying to target but let'sdivide people in order to get
across some type ofdeconstruction agenda,
deconstructionist agenda ofdecristinizing it, perhaps, or
destroying the male-femaledichotomy that you do see in
nature.
It doesn't really matter.
So all of these things makesense that they're happening

(58:26):
because we have communists, wehave Marxists who are doing
these things.
Maybe they don't use thosetitles to describe themselves,
but their policies are thosethings.
So it makes all the sense inthe world.
It's like Kamala Harris at themoment.
Kamala Harris is 1,000% marxistin her ideology.
I put up on instagram today afamous, famous video of her

(58:46):
saying illegal immigration isnot a crime.
I know a crime when I see it.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
It's not a crime if you have that happen in the
united states, we have nocountry left oh man, all right,
so we're gonna go over to locals, we're gonna talk to enoch,
we're gonna uh, maybe we'llbring up some of the
conversations me and you hadthis weekend, enoch, because we
had some good conversations-yeah, did you want to play this
short riot video before we go?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Yeah, so we were talking about what's going on in
the UK right now.
In the UK, three little kidswere stabbed by a Muslim and
these are the riots actuallygoing on in the UK of English
people standing up and fightingback.
It's only a matter of timebefore people have had enough,

(59:41):
right.
I saw some careers on therooftop it's only it's only a
matter of time before peopleactually do rise up and, uh, I
think what we saw on january 6thwas the government giving us a
warning like if you guys rise upover here, you're all this is.

(01:00:02):
This is the punishment you guysare going to get January 6th,
or do you mean July 13th?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
No, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
January 6th.
That's what I mean.
You think about all the peoplethat went to prison for 23 years
and things like that.
That was them giving us alittle warning.
Yeah, you guys better not getcute and think you're going to
rise up when you've had enough.
So let cute and think you'regoing to rise up when you've had
enough.
Let's see I'm doing an Iraqiaccent.

(01:00:31):
We're going to go over tolocals.
We've got a bunch of stuffwe're going to talk about.
If you guys are not on ourlocals, you guys are missing out
on them.
Usually that's where we do thefun stuff, if you guys do enjoy
the show please come over.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Before we go, let me pull up the local link so people
can go to it for this video.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Okay, yeah, enoch, you got anything you want to
promote before we hop off thisend.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
No, not really Happy to be with you guys.
Thanks again.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
My favorite interview Go subscribe to Enoch's channel
.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Go check out his music, go check out anything
he's done.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
YouTube would be cool .
Go on my YouTube channel, Enoch.
Check out the music.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
We're going to go over to the other side.
We're going to talk about mineand Enoch's weekend first.
We'll see what Enoch thought ofhanging out in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Yeah, I need to ask him if you actually prepared the
burrata or if it was your wife.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
My wife's done everything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Yeah, I figured.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I wanted him to enjoy it.
Of course, I let my wifeprepare it.
Alright, we'll see you guysover there, rob take us out.

(01:02:25):
We should have filmed a skitwhile you were here, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Yeah, yeah, I thought that too when I left.
I was like oh, we should havedone something, something funny.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
We didn't podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
We just hung out, we were just enjoying each other's
company.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
That was man.
I haven't done that in yearsbecause you know when you got
family it's hard to do that.
Just get away and just hang outyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
So it was like we didn't want the pressure of like
performing and we really justhung out and, like sunday, we
went out on the boat, then wecame back to my house, we cooked
a nice meal, then we just satout by the fire and talked the
whole time and it was was likethe idea of like let's do a
podcast, didn't even like, don'tmind, nicole said something to
me.
She's like you guys should havedone a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I'm like okay, let's be honest, you didn't do a
podcast because, unlike Octoberin Pennsylvania, I wasn't there
to actually figure it out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I probably could have figured it out, but I'm kind of
mad we didn't hop on just totalk about our weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
Dude, what did you think of Catholic Palooza?
Me myself, yeah, man.
So last year's event was reallywell.
You had some hang-ups that wehad.
Unfortunately, the sound systemwasn't as great.
It was really altered towardslive bands.
I got gypped as far as the asthose, nobody's fault.
It's just that that venuedidn't have a great sound system
for what I do and I don't thinkeven like someone like franco,

(01:03:51):
who, like plays background music, had a great sound last year.
But the event itself was great.
Um, you know, I think it was a.
It was a catholic college.
We had to bring a whole lot ofstuff in because you know you
really couldn't go out to go getfood or beer, like we did in
Jersey.
This one, I thought it was thebest one so far.

(01:04:11):
They're going to keep gettingbetter, I think, but that venue
was great.
The location was amazing.
The whole idea of having youknow artists go upstairs the
smaller artists perform upstairswhile while the other artists
set up in the main stage.
I thought that was brilliant.
It really kept the audienceengaged.
People were walking indifferent spots, People were
hanging out.

(01:04:31):
Man, I think every singleperson over there just had a
blast just throughout the wholeday just hanging out with other
Catholics.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
I thought it was great.
Yeah, that was the coolest partwas just sitting and being able
to talk to all these young kids, man, and we were talking.
First off, there was one kidthere, this kid, steven, who was
so excited to be Catholic.
This kid, he's a recent convert.
We met a lot of young converts,man.

(01:04:59):
It was very interesting to seeall these young kids and, yeah,
I had a good time.
It was, it was, it was, uh, itwas fun getting to meet people
yeah, you watch being a rip.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
You.
You're a big band of brothersfan, right?
Yeah you remember episode four,that it's actually called
replacements and they bring inall these new guys to fill in
all the spots of the unit rightbefore they uh invade um the
netherlands, right, yeah, andall these veterans are looking
at these excited new guys justwith like yeah, and they just

(01:05:34):
like the craziest battle andthese new kids come in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
They're all like ready to go and these guys are
just like you disgust me, youever feel that way when you look
at a new convert yes, very much.
So one of the kids was like likefrancis kind of came up and the
and and the kid was like, oh uh, I was like dude, you just
converted.
Don't even dip into thosewaters, man, just just just

(01:05:58):
enjoy being catholic.
Like, don't even dip into thosewaters, don't get into
controversy stuff, just learnyour.
I had a kid two weeks ago, this16 year old, so at my parish
Just enjoy being Catholic, don'teven dip into those waters,
don't get into controversy andstuff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Just learn your faith .
I had a kid two weeks ago, this16-year-old.
So at my parish we just startedintroducing traditional vespers
after mass, which is prettyepic, and this kid we're
practicing it.
He comes up to me, he's 16years old.
He looks at me with deer in theheadlights.
He's like what is your name?
And I'm.
He looks at me with like deerin the headlights, looks like

(01:06:25):
what is your name?
And I'm like my name isnicholas cavasos.
And then he does, like you know, the double take, turning
around, grabbing his head.
He's like oh my gosh, oh mygosh you're secretary of
education, cavasos's grandsonexactly, exactly.
He's like you're the traditionalthomas.
You're on with anthony and robon avoiding babylon a 16 year
old 16 year old yeah and he saidthe main reason he, like he,

(01:06:47):
watches us is because we'refunny.
He said this is one thing Ifound interesting, though and
again, I'm not trying to open acan of words here, but this was
just one thing he said that wasinteresting.
He said, yeah, a lot of usconverts converted and we got
sucked into watching michaellofton, but then after like a
year so we couldn't stand itanymore and we left, and so we

(01:07:08):
started just trying to findother things to watch, uh, which
I just thought I thought thatwas kind of funny, I think we're
a good balance between the guyswho only talk controversy and
the guys who pope's playing yeah, I mean to me it was just funny
because it was like you know,first off, just like 16 year old

(01:07:29):
.
You have like so many otherthings you could be watching.
So it's awesome that you'rewatching this, you know, but
then too, just the fact that youknow about the this just stupid
catholic tmz drama and stufflike that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
It's funny.
Me and Enoch were recognized.
At the end I took Enoch to hisfirst SSPX mass.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
And you didn't disintegrate as a fraternity
goer, no.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Schismatics love us right Enoch.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
No, I thought it was great.
Yeah, you had two separatepeople come up to you and
recognize you.
I think a mother that went tothe concert and took her son
there recognized me and it waskind of funny because she was
like you know how is your family?
And I'm just like you know myfamily Because I don't really
put them out on social media butI forget that sometimes I'll be

(01:08:18):
talking about them on thispodcast or whatever.
So, other than that man, yeah,it's the folks that recognize
Anthony.
Like that was a young crowd,like people don't understand
Palooza is a young crowd.
Yeah, it's not.
They're not.
They're a little closer to aKnicks age and maybe a little
bit younger too.
Is it young or is it just?

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
that you guys are old .
Hey, we are getting older right, we're just old.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Is it young, or is it just that?
You guys are old, hey, well, weare getting older, right, we're
just old.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Cause I was like you know how old I am.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I'm 26, right Anthony's old.
He's in his 40.
Enoch and I are still young.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
You guys are still young.
I'm closer to Anthony.
Actually I'm 39, I'm almost 40.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
He's old next year.
Yeah, he's getting there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
You're born what?
87, 86?
, 85.
You're three years younger thanme.
You're an old man, bro.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
I felt old.
At 11 o'clock on Saturday Ifelt really old then.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yo, we're sitting there.
He finishes performing and hegets the place riled up.
I'm telling you, and he's allover on there.
He finishes performing and hegets the place riled up.
I'm telling you, and he's allover on stage.
He gets down and we're like allright, we wanted to watch Ryan
Katz and Rivera's band Hallowed,we wanted to watch them.
And we make it like threequarters of the way through the
show and he just looks at me andhe goes dude, I need to sit

(01:09:39):
down.
I'm like I think we can leave.
I'm like let's get out of here.
And we just headed out.
And then I took him for NewYork pizza when we got here.
But wait, pal, the 18-year-oldkid he's not just an 18-year-old
that's watching, he's a localsubscriber.
How did he find us?
I?

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
want to know that.
I want to know why someone inIreland is up at 2.12 am
watching us.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Well, I was going to do it at 4 o'clock in the
morning.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Wait, Enoch.
What did you think of the NewYork pizza?
Do you think it was asignificant difference in pizza
places?

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Yeah, yeah, the New York pizza was legit, man.
Because, you know, you hearstories.
Your cousin always tells me yougo to 12 in New York pizza.
Which stories.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Your cousin always tells me you go to 12 in New
York.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Pizza, which is funny , because that's not what Eddie
sounds like at all.
That's my Eddie impression.
Cousin Eddie no, but it livedup to the hype man.
It's something that I noticedabout New York Pizza.
I think.
What makes it so great and Ithink, anthony, I think you
noticed this too it's how greasyit is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
That's what makes it so great in my personal opinion.
But it holds the grease so wellwhen that thin crunchy crust, I
mean it's hard to explain, youjust gotta try it if you have it
.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I like how, the one time I had a chance to eat New
York pizza, your brother notonly did not apparently get real
New York pizza, he ate one ofthe six new pizzas all by
himself on the drive there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
That's right, I forgot he brought it up there,
enoch, what'd you think of mywife?

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Was she, was she different than you thought she'd
be, or Very, very yeah yeahCause I don't know what to
expect.
You know cause you know you doa pretty good job of you know,
every once in a while showingyour family in a beautiful light
but at the same time you keepthem kind of hidden from because
there's some weirdos out thereonline.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
I have some pictures of my daughters.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Yeah, so I try to keep my kids away from social
media as best as I can, forobvious reasons.
But when I met your wife, man,she is an absolute angel, bro.
People don't know thehospitality from their bodies,
you know, is second to none andyou know I'll talk about your
kids in a second because youknow I've got some stuff to

(01:11:52):
share about your kids as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
But the hospitality from their bodies, she's just so
bubbly and friendly, thesweetest girl I've ever met in
my life the sweetest and sosmart, um and man so anthony's
marriage advice is a lie yeah, Iwas gonna say so anthony, so
anthony's high school dropout.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
He's rude, she's nice and smart yeah, yeah, she's the
complete opposite.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
When they do a track, she's smart, he's not, but it's
, but it's no, she's, she'shorrible.
Uh, and just just thededication she has, you know,
just for her children.
I mean, I, I was, I only prettymuch.
I saw her only for that one day, on sunday, right anthony, half
a half a day and she's like inand out, like dropping this kid
off to this back, dropping thatkid off to that back, going out

(01:12:45):
and taking care of other people.
She's an angel.
I can't say more.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
I always like when people meet her, because it
makes people like me a littlebit better, because I'm very
rough around the edges but thenthey meet my wife and my wife.
They're like all right, hecan't be that bad if this
woman's with him.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
Can I tell you something?
We were sitting by the fire,the three of us were talking and
I said something.
I was like I'm going to saysomething kind of offensive.
I hope you don't mind.
I said that to his wife.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
She looks at me and she goes I'm married to him.
He's like you think you'regoing to offend me.
I'm married to him, I'm marriedto him.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
This is how I'm offensive on a daily basis.
I'm already used to it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
That kind of shows you that I'm not putting on an
act over here.
I am the same guy off screen asI am on.
She's been Anybody that meetsmy wife.
They're just like how do youdeal with him?
I don't get it.
It's her way to heaven.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
It's her way to heaven, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Well, she's mine too, don't worry, she ain't that
easy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
She's easy in front of people, you met her
representative.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
I think that's how it usually goes Whenever you meet
somebody, you meet theirrepresentative.
The real them is behind closeddoors, in reality.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
Yeah, no, we had a blast, man.
I can't tell you how much Iappreciate you and your
hospitality man.
We had a blast.
You picked me up at the airportin LaGuardia.
On Saturday we went to StPatrick's.
The first place we went to wasSt Patrick's Cathedral Beautiful
, beautiful church.
Not a fan of the tourism.
It really does ruin thesacredness of what was built for

(01:14:33):
God, which I think is worthy ofwhat was built for God.
It's a beautiful, beautifulcathedral.
And then we went to Trump Towerand that, to me, is also very
historic because we were talkingin the car about New York.
Because I'm big on Americanhistory, I love watching the men
who built America, theRockefellers and those guys, the

(01:14:55):
men who freed America and howall these franchises started
from the very beginning.
I'm big on American history, sowe were talking.
Trump really is a modern-day JPMorgan.
He's a modern-day Vanderbilt.
He really is Just being infront of that tower.
It's kind of surreal becausethe man really did make a name
for himself.

(01:15:15):
He's going to be among thefolks in history.
Then we went to what I thinkwas probably the most beautiful
church that I've ever walkedinto.
It was the St Vincent FerrerParish.
Was that where?

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
it was, did I take you?

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Rob, didn't I take you there, or we just went to
Holy Innocence.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
We just went to Holy Innocence.
Remember there was that Polishfestival that had all the
streets closed and we couldn'tmake it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Yeah, that's right.
Okay, okay, yeah, st VincentFerrer, though what did you
think of that church?

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
It was the most beautiful church because that's
like my taste.
It's got that dark oak wood,it's very dim lit but it's like,
complemented with these glassstain and gorgeous sanctuary,
and I think it was.
I personally liked it betterthan St Patrick's.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
I thought it was more beautiful, I tell everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
If you're visiting New York, well, it's my favorite
state Well, that too.
But so the difference in StPat's and St Vincent Ferrer?
I think they're equal in beauty, but St Vincent Ferrer is empty
.
When you go, every time theplace is just empty.
So you go and you just see thisbeautiful high altar, even more
beautiful than St Pat's.

(01:16:27):
St Pat's has more beautifulside altars, but St Vincent
Ferrer, the main altar, is oneof the most beautiful main
altars I've ever seen, this highaltar, and it's very dimly lit,
like you said, and it's justempty.
And it's this historic church,probably built in the 17 or
1800s, and it's justbreathtakingly beautiful.

(01:16:47):
Um, so, yeah, if you guys areever in new york and you've
never been there, that's theplace to hit um and uh.
And then we went.
I was telling them we went toholy innocence and we stayed for
the uh, the novus ordo, andwhile we were listening to that
novus ordo, I'm like I was ableto recite every single word the
priest said.
And then we started talkingabout how that kind of takes the

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mystery out of the Mass, almost.
And then we were talking aboutjust how Paul VI redid all the
sacraments and almost introducedthese six watered-down
mysteries.
Watered down mysteries becausethe sacraments are mysteries and
you take these six sacramentsand water them down to the point
where they lost all theirtranscendence and it's I think

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it's had such a catastrophiceffect on people's psyches that
it's a big part of the reasonpeople are flooding out of the
church yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
I agree.
I think that was a good pointthat you brought up the
mysteries.
I think that's something thatthe east yeah, it makes sense, I
agree, I agree.
Yeah, I think that was a goodpoint that you brought up the
mysteries.
I think that's something thatthe East still holds on to.
I think the West can kind ofpick up on a little bit.
When I say East, I'm talkingabout Eastern Orthodoxy, I'm
talking about Eastern Catholicsthat hold on to their traditions
.
Not everything is defined tothe T.
Again, I can understand thedefinitions that came out of the
West, because they were dealingwith so much heresies that they

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had to define these things inthe councils in order for us,
even like transubstantiation, wecan try to explain these things
as best to our ability, but atthe end of it you've got to
throw your hands up and just sayit's a mystery, and that's a
beautiful thing to do actually.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Yeah, it's the scholastic call, it's a rational
mystery, because the proofs ofcredibility get you up to the
point of saying, okay, I can'tprove this.
in the sense, of just knowingevery single little thing about
it, knowing its complete essence, but the signs that lead up to
it are completely rational andcredible.
And those truths of faith arethe rites that surround the

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sacraments, which make to yourpoint, anthony, a travesty,
because think about it, it'slike okay, from baptism you have
.
Let's remove so many referencesto demons.
Let's remove all of theexorcisms.
Let's remove the consecrationof the tongue for the infant
confirmation.
Let's fiddle around with theoils.
Oils can now be different kinds, which is doubtful matter.

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Let's move on to confession,where moral theology has
completely been gutted.
Let's change the ends ofmarriage, so pleasure is now
above reproduction.
Let's change the entire mass tohave Talmudic prayers into it
and to be placating toProtestants.
Let's mess around with holyorders and allow potentially
married priests one day, but amarried diaconate.

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Let's gut all of the minororders as best we can,
especially the exorcism, andlet's fiddle around with extreme
unction and just give it out tokind of anybody, no matter what
they're going through, or wecan fiddle around with the oil
for that as well.
So they mess around with all ofthese things and, as Father
Ripper correctly says, you don'tthink the devil's behind that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
No, yeah, wait, wait, clip.
That that's gonna be your nextshort.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Done, perfect that actually is a good short.
This is this is an interestingconversation because me and me
and enoch were talking aboutthis this weekend, just how and
I wanted to hear nick's take onthat, because nick's very into
the scholasticism and likereally understanding exactly how

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things work where I kind ofthink we do need a little bit
more of the mysticism that theeast has and, like he said,
we're not talking about easternorthodox, we're talking about
eastern catholics, like they.
They weren't so rational abouteverything, they kind of would
just leave things a little bitof a mystery.
Now wait, enoch, what do youthink of the young naive?

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Francis is the most base Popeever.
Catholics the groypers.

Speaker 5 (01:20:46):
What do I think of?
So, at the end of the day, ifyou really want to know my
honest opinion, because, if Ican boil it down to this.
I have to do it in charity.
I honestly think that theyreally do mean well and I think
that they're really trying to,you know, to hide their father's
sins in a way, for the sake ofthe sake of others.

(01:21:07):
Now, a lot of them hadn't beenaround.
They're coming into the faithmaybe towards the middle or tail
end of his papacy, which Ithink we are.
A lot of them haven't beenaround to the beginning of his
papacy, or even seen before hispapacy where we had a Benedict.
So they don't understand whatwe had, what we had lost, what

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we are now.
So they're coming in now and Iget it.
They're trying to bring peopleinto the church and say, hey,
things are not as bad as youthink.
Let me try to explain Francisin a great light, but at the end
of the day we are good, say.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
these are like the, the kamala harris astroturfers
online who are saying, yeah,everything's amazing,
everything's fine, but theycan't point to anything because
they're jumping in four monthsbefore the end yeah, what's that
?

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
what's that?
It's like his name.
They're the harry sissons ofthe uh well, look, I all right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
So the thing I think ennoch's getting at like we went
to this festival, like I hungout with Franco.
I had a really good time withhim.
He's a good dude.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
Such a good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Such a good guy, like he genuinely loves the Catholic
faith.
I think that's where thecharity angle comes in.
It's like, okay, these guysaren't as jaded as us I they're
just, they just haven't hadtheir hearts broken as many
times as I mean to be honest, Iwas probably a lot like that
back in 2002, 2003, 2004.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
I was like that when, when, all that, when, the sex
stuff first yeah, you're right,that's a good point, it's like
no, that's the media lying.
No, that's people making upaccusations.
No, it's, you know it's.
It's.
It's like no, that's the medialying.
No, that's people making upaccusations.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
No, it's, you know it's not, it's only a few
priests.
It's not you trying to let afew rotten apples spoiled about
Like we defended our priestsduring that and looking back on
it, it's like we had no idea howbad the rot was.
You know, we just had rosecolored glasses on at the time.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
Yeah, exactly, at the very least, I think, what they
have to admit to themselves.
At the very least.
If, if you're not going toattribute any malice to the, to
poor francis and the people heputs around him, at the very
least you have to admit thathe's imprudent.
You have to admit that.
So I I think that's where thedelusion is, because his

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hand-selected cardinals that hewants to associate himself with
are very imprudent.
The thumbs up he gives to JamesMartin is imprudent.
What's her name?
Maria, something with thepro-life.
She's pro-choice.
That's not difficult.
That was imprudent.
If you want to make the casethat Pachamama was not
idolatrous worship, but it wasimprudent for him to do so, his

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entire papacy is imprudent.
So at the very least you haveto admit that and you can't call
somebody that imprudent based.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Yeah, exactly because imprudence is a sin.
That's the thing.
Well, not just that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Rob and I got to a point because we started off
that way.
When we started this show wewere like we're going to stay
away from this stuff, we're notgoing to say anything, we'll
just say he's imprudent.
But at a certain point when yousay someone's imprudent in
every decision they make, you'recalling them retarded.
He's either an evil cult orhe's absolutely incredibly
stupid.
That's what it is, he's eitherthe devil or he's retarded One

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of the two, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I'm just saying you can't call him base when you
take all of these things intoaccount.
You just can't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Listen, I'm only talking to you about this
because it's on Locals and youknow it's nobody's going to see
this the people at Base areLocals.

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
We'll send it to them .
Clip it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
I'm going to tell, tell you, the retarded thing is
another, another short that's aword on your list.
We can't say yeah, we'll seehow it goes a thousand percent.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
It is on the list.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Yeah, it's just like we.
Yeah, I think Rob and I justboth kind of got to a point
where it was like all right, I,I just I don't know it is what
it is like.
We don't we're not doubting hisvalidity or anything, it's just
this is still the pope.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
He's still.
He's still the pope yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Well, what makes me upset is it's again a lot of
these individuals when theycriticize us.
I've, you know, I've seen, I'veseen franco on instagram where
it's like you think pope francistaught error.
Are you insane?
And I'm like dude, how can younot, at least even if you
disagree with me how can you notat least understand where we're

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coming from and say optically,this has been the worst
pontificate of all time onoptics, at least in the modern
era?
Right, you know?
Fire, fire, fire the guy who'sever in charge of your pr or
whatever?
Right you know, get it cleanedup.
It doesn't work.
And so to me, it's thegaslighting of pretending that
nothing's wrong and that we'reinsane if we do think

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something's wrong and thensaying things as crazy as they
want Tuco to become the next.
Pope Fernandez is based yes.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
No, but they themselves will say something,
like you know, not to say thatthere aren't any concerns with
this papacy, but don't name them.
Don't just say that statement.
Actually, name the concernsthat you think that we have with
this papacy, because we canname them, we can we have a
whole list yeah, yeah, I wasn'ttrying to even get you down a

(01:26:34):
pope bashing thing or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
I I just I was curious what your take, because
I think a lot of it is naive,naivete, like I think a lot of
it is.
They're just young catholicsand they're enthusiastic about
their faith and they want toevangelize people and I mean we,
like this thing we went to isvery no evangelization if you
follow pope francis noproselytization, no

(01:26:57):
proselytization, yeah right butI think that is what they want
to do, right.
So they want to evangelize andbring people because they found
something joyful, they found thepearl of great price and they
just want to share that withpeople.
But I think what most of usrealize, in this group at least,
when we're defending theCatholic faith, when we're

(01:27:19):
trying to evangelize people,when I'm arguing with
Protestants online, I'm arguingfor a Catholicism that seems to
no longer exist under thecurrent hierarchy, like it seems
like I'm arguing for thetraditional faith and not
whatever is in our, in our midstat this moment.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
So I mean, I mean you are, because it's like, think
about if you're in the mind ofone of these 20 year old
groipers somehow you're tryingto say that we should have a
political system like Mussolini,and Pope Francis somehow would
fit perfectly into thatworldview.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
It's just like oh that makes sense, Whereas he's
condemned so much of what was in, you know, Rerum Novarum and
Quadriget, Quadriget and all ofthose.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Exactly exactly.
And so to me it's just you'retrying to put two pieces of a
puzzle that don't work together.
I mean, I'm glad you want toevangelize, but it doesn't work.
But to your point, anthony, Iagree with you.
I'm constantly having to defendpeople, or defend the faith
from those who are outside ofthe faith, and when I'm
cornering them I'm like, yeah,look at, look, contraception
makes no sense.
What's like the natural end of,uh, of the human sexuality.

(01:28:24):
They'll be like yeah, yeah, itmakes sense, but, like Pope
Francis, that's always the cardat the end of the sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Rob bring up the story of the priest offering
mass by the swimming pool.
Priest offers mass by swimmingpool for children's summer camp
in Spain.
Salesian father Marco AntonioMartinez Moreno.
Why do they have to have sixnames?
Marco Antonio Martinez Morenooffered mass on the side of a
swimming pool at a summer campwhile teenagers remained in the

(01:28:54):
pool in their bathing suits.
Moreno even appeared to allow aboy and a girl in bathing suits
to elevate the chalice of those, the picture was pretty bad,
well, yeah.
So you don't see the girl in thebikini.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
I'm cringing at the, just the fact that he's allowing
lay people to hold these up,and it's gracious well, well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
So this this is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
He will be praised as he's evangelizing the youth now
, these kids, those kids don'tbelieve in the eucharist, I
guarantee it how did?

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
you after this.
They're in the swimming poolwith wet hands, then they're
going to get out and receive in.
They're in the swimming poolwith wet hands, then they're
going to get out and receive inthe hand, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
With their wet hands.
Don't think he's kneeling andon the tongue probably going.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
So in recent days, a Salesian priest offered a Novus
Ordo mass for the Spanish summercamp participants he was
chaplaining for.
The notable aspect about themass was that it was held on the
side of a swimming pool of thecamp headquarters, with the
assembled teenagers in the poolin their swimming costumes.
He posted the since-deletedimages of the mask onto his
social media pages, on which heis particularly active.

(01:30:04):
Of course he is.
The images depict Moreno,vested in his Albin stole,
standing behind a low tablepositioned right on the edge of
the swimming pool.
One image depicts himaddressing the teenagers and
young children in the pool.
Another shows him sitting onthe edge of the pool with his
feet in the water, while stillvested, and addressing the group
.
Yet another image shows Moreno,still liturgically vested,

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flanked by a girl in a bikiniand a boy in swimming shorts.
During the mass, the girl isholding the chalice aloft and
the boy is holding the host in amanner which would appear to be
the.
This is not Catholicism.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
No, it's not.
It's not Catholicism.
And it reminds me of do youguys remember from last year?

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
I forget where it was .
Maybe it was in Spain or on theon the surfboard in the ocean.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Yeah, it's like.
I guess what makes this oneslightly better is at least the
priest is vested.
I mean, maybe that's the onesaving grace in it.
But yeah, it's not this, it'snot the same religion.
How can it's like I said beforein the episode how can you
rationally say you don't have tobe Catholic, just sit back with
the brain?
How can you rationally say thatone faith which teaches

(01:31:08):
transubstantiation, propitiatorysacrifice, sacerdotal
priesthood, goes along with amovement which is let's level
the hierarchy and the faithfulinto this Marxist equal footing
ground?
Let's open the doors and thewindows to all people Kind of
sounds like our borders rightnow.
Let's open everybody up soeveryone can come in and

(01:31:28):
everyone has a seat at the table.
I'm surprised we're not talkingabout the Senate poll that came
out a few days ago on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
We never talked about that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
I know that was hilarious, Can I?

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
make two points real quickly.
Yeah, regarding that, a coupleof points.
I'm glad Bishop Barron andeverybody was calling out the
stuff that happened in Franceand all that stuff, because that
was horrendous and it should becalled out by all faiths.
You know, all of us Catholicsshould be calling out.

(01:32:00):
If you're calling that out as abishop, because it's easy to do
so, because we're on your side,but you don't call that out, I
don't take you seriously.
I can't really respect you.
It's really easy to say, oh, thesecular people are mocking our
Lord in the Last Supper, butwhen that priest is mocking our
Lord in, I think, even a worseway, because that's actually our

(01:32:23):
Lord, that's being desecrated.
The second part about it islet's hope the uh use the uh,
the, the lutheran umconsecration, I know.
The second part about it is wejust had 50 000 people in a
stadium talking about theeucharist right, the eucharistic
conference.
You dismissed everybody to goout to their parishes.

(01:32:46):
If you don't fix the parishes,what are they going back to?
You're not going.
You can put 20 of thoseconferences every single weekend
.
It won't do anything unless youfix home.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
They already do that, enoch.
They've been talking to kids instadiums about the Eucharist
for 30 years and nothing'schanged.
It's the same status quo.
As I said last week when wetalked about this, that's the
issue.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
It's the same status quo, as I said last week when we
talked about this.
It's the same status quo whenyou go and you watch the closing
mass.
If people just want one proofof this, they have contemporary
worship, music playing, some ofthem by Protestants right,
communions in the hand is goingon, and, yes, I'm glad that
people want to emphasize theEucharist.
But what I want to see is the.

(01:33:30):
You don't need a conference,this is what you need.
The bishops write a statementsaying we will not do this
anymore in parishes period.
That's right.
That's what you do.
And you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
If boomers get mad at it, if liberals get mad at it,
let them cry.
I watched Barron's homily fromthe the congress and he gives
this homily and it's I've heardhim do this homily before.
If, if, every catholic therethere are a quarter million, I
think there's 25 millioncatholics in the united states
if just 10 of those catholicsreally lived their faith in a

(01:34:08):
radical way and lived out theirCatholic faith to the fullest,
we could transform this countryin a generation.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
They are.
And the FBI is watching thoseCatholics who are actually
living their faith.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
And you guys are pushing them out of their
parishes.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
And you guys are the same ones who say you can't have
mass times and church bulletinsor else you're schismatic.
We're doing it and I'm glad youcalled out the insanity in
france.
But, to be fair, you're alsopart of the same system which
for 60 years has been trying todialogue with the world and
hasn't converted any country buthe actually said go live your

(01:34:47):
faith radically.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
And it's like every Catholic who tries to live their
faith radically is called rigid.
What are you talking about?
We're called, we're rigid andwe're stuck in our ways and all
these things like that.
We're just insulted wildly.
So what are you?
What are you doing to us?
It makes no sense, it's anexcellent point Excellent point

(01:35:09):
you doing

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
to us it makes no sense.
It's an excellent point.
It's an excellent point.
I did see some, some hope, um,while I was watching footage of
the conference, I would say alot, a lot of the young folks
that were there received eitheron the tongue or kneeling in on
the tongue.
So there is there, there is asense that there's a shift among
the young people that, at leastin a just in a um, in a shallow

(01:35:30):
way, I see reverence to be,because the reverence people
think that reverence is the onlything that differentiates the
two masses, which is not true,but but but I think reverence is
a good start.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
We can, we can start there yeah, I said like people
are becoming more traditionally,aesthetically, by osmosis, I
mean, women are veiling theirheads more, even older ladies
too.
People are receiving on thetongue, that's all good.
People want Latin involved,that's all good.
The main issue, of course, isthat, as you said it, while
those things are good, they areshallow because, again, to me,

(01:36:05):
at the end of the day, itdoesn't matter if you're saying
a Talmudic prayer or aProtestantized prayer in Latin
or not.
The substance is stillsomething that worries someone.

Speaker 5 (01:36:17):
Andy do you want to talk about your boat?

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
Did you guys see any of the Trump boat crew out there
?

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Yeah, there was a couple.
We go out and we take off andwe're flying and all of a sudden
the boat just dies.
I'm like, oh no, what the hell,I don't know.
The whole boat just died on us.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
I can't go home.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
Put it up, I want to see what people are saying.
I actually like seeing what thecomment people say.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
I hate that we don't have the chat.
I'd rather see them than us.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
I don't want to see Anthony's ugly face while we
have locals up.
I just got a notice fromYouTube that the YouTube portion
of this can't be monetizedbecause of a copyright on one of
the videos we played the oldvideo I don't know, I don't
think it was, that it was um.
It's one of the right onesprobably probably yeah, it said

(01:37:20):
um here?
What does it say here?
What resist satan fight?
That was the audio visual.
That is is copyrighted.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
It's from oh uh, andrew tate oh yeah, that makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
The andrew tate video probably so if anyone wants to
tip us in here, that would begreat, since we will get nothing
on youtube for this, yeah, um,well, also the, uh, the, the
synod poll.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
So the synod poll that they put up on twitter, I
saw when they first launched itand there was only like 600
votes on it and I'm going to itwas and it was already at 75,
like absolutely not, we hatesynodality.
25 before it and I quote,tweeted and I said this is
amazing.
I guarantee they delete thisthe next day.

(01:38:15):
They deleted the poll because 8000 votes came in and it was
like 80, 20, everybody bashingit.
So now mike lewis comes out andhe says um, he says this is
something that the Americanchurch just doesn't get.
This is not as simple as justdo you prefer synodality or do

(01:38:37):
you not like it?
This is a whole new way ofbeing for the church.
It's a whole new way of beingchurch.
It's a whole new ecclesiologythat they're bringing forth.
All of it.
I just said we despiseeverything about it, like
everything about synodality.
He just wants to be unburdenedby what has been.
I just said we despiseeverything about it, like
everything about.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
He just wants to be unburdened by what has been.
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
I just don't understand.
Like Mike Lewis is married, Idon't know why he's simping for
Pope Francis all the time, buthe just needs to get over it and
recognize yeah, people don'twant to have leftist nonsense so
down there that go down theirthroat.
So just get over it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Have you heard of the concept of a beard?

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Concept of a beard.
A beard is for gay guys.
They'll have a wife to hide.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
Oh no, I'm not.
I'm still an innocenthomeschooler.
You mean, like facial hair?
I have one.

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
No, going back to you guys' points, I think what
happened was for so many years,a lot of those Marxist leftists
found their way up to the higherranks of cardinals and bishops
in the hierarchy of the church.
Ranks of cardinals and bishopsin the hierarchy of the church

(01:39:54):
uh, they, they, as they weretalking about this, they
disobeyed every teaching, everytraditional teaching of the
church until they got to power,and now they expect all of us to
be in obedience to their agendaexactly while they spend
decades disobeying the actual.
So that that's where Mike Lewisis really coming from.
He's really trying to say youguys need to be in lockstep,
step in line with this newagenda where the church is going

(01:40:15):
.
If you don't, then you're aheretic, if you don't, then
you're against the magisterium,while they spent decades being
against the magisterium untilthey reached the high ranks of
power.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
The only sin in the church now is not obeying
Francis, Like that's the onlything that is actually.
The only thing that you willget in trouble for under this
new regime is if you are not onboard with their program.

Speaker 4 (01:40:43):
Exactly.
This is why I've partially,like, shifted a lot of my
content over to talking about USpolitics, because so much of
what's in the church is juststupid, as you guys have said.
Well, put Enoch.
As I've said before, let'sdisobey the entire deposit of
faith.
Let's toss all of that.
We can reinvent it.
We'll keep the stuff aboutobedience, but we'll invert a

(01:41:04):
ton of leftist ideals into thedeposit of faith.
And we'll say, there you go, weof leftist ideals into the
deposit of faith.
And we'll say, there you go,we'll keep the you know the
quote authoritarian.
You know obedience of the 1920s,but then the leftism of the
2020s, and then there's yourmodern day Catholicism.
I can't respect that.
And if I knew, if I knew more,if I didn't know more about
church teaching, I understandwhy people would just walk away

(01:41:25):
and leave the Catholic faith.
It's understandable.
But I can't take people likeLewis seriously when we have
homosexuals and pedophiles inevery single rank of the
hierarchy and nothing is goingto get changed until we have
mass or overhaul.
So in the meantime, I may aswell focus on my own local
country and make it great again,as opposed to becoming a saint.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Right and like so, however.
However, you have to just workon your own sanctity and your
own holiness.
I mean, that's all you can do.
So you find the best liturgyyou can.
You find the best parish youcan.
You find the best way that youcan to become a saint, like
Enoch and I were talking aboutit over the weekend.
We live in times that are sowhacked Like, it's so insane

(01:42:11):
that to be a saint in our ageall you have to do is just live
out your state in life properlyand it's holy at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
I was giving you a chance to talk, enoch, I know
that you're.

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
I was telling Anthony this story that I heard about
this monk, this monk who decidesto go out and live in the
desert and he was able tocommunicate with his guardian
angel.
He said he was going to spend10 years just in prayer, fasting
and penance.
And after 10 years he asked hisangel.
He said you know how holy haveyou?
Know what is the state of mysoul?

(01:42:46):
How holy have I become?
And the angel says you'reexactly as holy as he names the
woman in the village, just somerandom woman.
So you know, the monk is justcurious, he's not upset, he's
just curious on.
You know who this person is andhow are they?
Just as holy as I am, who isseparated from the world and in
prayer, penance and fasting.

(01:43:08):
So he goes to the village andseeks out this woman and he
finds her and he asks her aquestion.
He says tell me what's yourspiritual life?
At first she's like I don'twant to talk about it, I don't
even know who you are.
Then he comes back the next day.
He keeps bothering her.
She finally says all right, Idon't know what you want out of
this, but I'll tell you All I do.
I'm obedient to my husband.
I do.
I'm obedient to my husband, Ido my duties every single day

(01:43:29):
and I say my prayers.
I get to mass.
All she does is her duties andher standard in her life and
she's just as holy as he was,you know, as far as in the eyes
of God and in her level ofholiness.
So if we just stay in our way.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
A ascetic priest up in the mountains praying all day
because she was just doing herduty in life.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
That was her monastery.
That was her desert.
Her desert is to go withinherself and do battle in the
heart and to be obedient to herhusband and to build virtue.
And god looked into that and hegave her the graces that she
needed at that moment in herstate of her life to be holy.
If we could just do that, Ithink that would you know, that

(01:44:10):
that you know that would changea whole lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
So yeah, it makes sense.
There's so many stories of thesaints who talk about how, if
married couples, they don't needto go and become ascetics in
the wilderness.
They just need to love oneanother, prioritize the
spiritual life.
So this could be things likejust reading the scriptures
together, talking about the masstogether, fulfilling their

(01:44:32):
state in life that they'llbecome as holy as some of the
greatest monks wait, I gottafind ladder of divine ascent.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Um well you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
well, you do that.
Yeah, let's you guys read thatquestion.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
I want to find the ladder of the vine, because
there's one page about what thelady should do, the married lady
, what they should do.
It's like this short paragraphand it's like, if you do this,
this, this and this, you are notfar from the kingdom of heaven.
And it's so simple.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
My generation won't get married, so we can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
We need more married saints as examples.
We do.
The church needs to really propup some married folks as
examples we do.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
The question is do you guys think vatican ii led to
our culture collapse, or wasthe culture of collapse
something else that was alreadyhappening before vatican ii?
To me, I think it's prettyclear it was happening prior
yeah, I would agree, I would say, would say so.

Speaker 4 (01:45:28):
Vatican II is the proximate cause of all of this,
in the sense that it opened thewindows and doors of the church
and it also, at best even if youthink everything's perfect
about it at best, you have toadmit that it didn't fulfill its
end and it failed at actuallyconverting the world.
It didn't work.
But, yeah, all of itsphilosophical roots, that's, in
nominalism, liberalism,modernism, protestantism,

(01:45:51):
existentialism, etc.
All of like the brothels inParis during World War, I being
empty.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
And then in World War II you had the US government
having to provide prophylactickits to every soldier, like
constantly in the brothels inParis were consistently always
busy, and I mean you see acollapse of morals just with
that, one generational changebetween World War I and World
War II.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
Yeah, were you going to say something?

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
I think 100%.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Let's go 1000% 1000%.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Yeah, the culture was already rotten before that, but
I think the council acceleratedit.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
It dropped the ball big time.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Look, the reason you call a council is to combat the
heresy of the age.
That's the actual reason you'resupposed to call a council,
right?
So the church calls the counciland instead of addressing any
of the issues that the world isactually facing the sexual
revolution, you know all thenonsense that's happening,
communism, all those thingsinstead of addressing all that

(01:47:21):
stuff, the church almostparticipates in the revolution.
It overturns all the sacramentsand overturns its approach to
how it.
You know how it its posturetowards protestantism and
instead of pulling peopletowards the church it had this
outward posture to the world andit just completely blew any

(01:47:44):
opportunity it had to actuallyconvert a culture that was in
turmoil yeah instead of thechurch converting the world, the
world converted the church,Enoch.
You have a different positionon that.

Speaker 5 (01:47:55):
I do have a different position.
I think the world goes wherethe church goes, so I don't
think that the church is notfollowing the world.
I think the world is followingwhat the current state of the
church is right now.

Speaker 4 (01:48:07):
Explain it.
I'd be interested to hear thatperspective.
So explain that a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:48:12):
So I think, if you look at a lot of the downfalls
that we have in the world today,or just the ideology, I think a
lot of that I think that thechurch started that first, after
Vatican II.
If you really want to look atit, I've got to send it to you.
Father Ruppert does a great job.
What he does is he says thereason why we have this, this is
this, is because we have this,this is this in the church.

(01:48:34):
So oh, I respect if you'reapproaching it from okay, yeah
yeah, it's really the churchthat presented these things, and
the world is following along.
So, though the church is notfollowing the world, the world
is actually just act.
You know, it's taking thechurch's lead.
Still, the church just isn't ina great shape at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
I get you, I get you, yeah, no and it makes sense.
So what we need to do, anthony,is I want to have Father Isaac
back on, because I'm a hugeAlphonsus fan and I have so many
questions, particularly moraltheology.
Yes, although Isaac, but I meanjust to give an example.
I'm going through a ton ofmoral theology at the moment.

(01:49:12):
Going back to these old manuals, of course, heavily influenced
by alphonsus and and saintthomas, and modern confession,
scares me to death, absolutelyterrifies me, because the
instructions that I mean youguys all probably have prumer's
handbook of moral theology, likeI mean, that's just a common
book that's starting to come outthere.
Just go and read what thepriest is supposed to do in that

(01:49:33):
book and you will walk awaybeing like all modern priests
are failing their jobs.
Because every single priest istold you have to know exactly
when to refuse penitenceabsolution.
You've got to know exactly whatadvice you're supposed to give
for every sin 're supposed toget penances in proportion to
the sins committed, or else thatperson's temporal punishment is

(01:49:54):
given to you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
None of that is happening on at least that right
there, or else that person'stemporal punishment will be
given to you.
Like, if a priest gives you alight penance, he is supposed to
be doing the penance on yourbehalf and it's supposed to be
an act of mercy that he does it.
It's not supposed to be justhim, like an actual, real mercy,
not like artificial mercy whichpriests give today.

(01:50:17):
They just brush everybody.
I'll go say three Hail Marys.
Go say three Hail Marys.
I found that paragraph in theladder of divine ascent.
Some people, some people livingcarelessly in the world, have
asked me we have wives and arebeset with social cares.
How can we lead a solitary life?
I replied to them do all thegood you can.
Do not speak evil of anyone, donot steal from anyone, do not

(01:50:37):
lie to anyone, do not bearrogant towards anyone, do not
hate anyone.
Be sure you go to church, becompassionate to the needy, do
not offend anyone, do not wreckanother man's domestic happiness
and be content with what yourown wives can give you.
If you behave in this way, youwill not be far from the kingdom
of heaven.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
Well, that rules Anthony out, more like it rules
me out, because they don't havea wife.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
That's not really that difficult.
It's not.
Stay in your lane.
Just stay in your lane, likejust be a good husband, be happy
with the wife that God gave you.
Like do all the good you can.
Don't speak evil of anyone,don't steal, don't lie, don't be
arrogant towards anyone.
Thank you, go to church.
R-m-l-3-2-7.

(01:51:21):
Go to church.
You earned heaven.
That's great.

Speaker 4 (01:51:36):
Ooh, you earned your salvation.
Frater spirit, who's asked agreat question.
He says what were, what arepenances like traditionally?
Yeah, what penances did peopletraditionally get?
Alphonsus is emphatic.
He said if you confess a mortalsin, the priest is supposed to
give you a rosary.
You know, that would besomething that would be more or
less that's actually less harshthan I thought it would be.
It is, and if you look at all ofchurch history again, you would
see that the ancient church,its penances, were, by our

(01:51:57):
standards, insanely severebecause they were like oh, you
committed adultery, 10 yearsfasting on bread and water.
Maybe, just maybe, before youdie, you can have the Eucharist
one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Maybe one time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
And now, of course, yeah, but adultery is a big one,
right?
Adultery is a very big.

Speaker 4 (01:52:14):
Oh, you want, you want me to give you a medieval
one for yeah, like a medievalone.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Let's say, you're one for impure thoughts of lust and
uh, you know four days penanceor no joke, they would flog.

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
They would flog people as well.
So, yeah, I, I almost.
When a person goes in theretoday and he's just like, yeah,
I've been watching porn for amonth, I've been engaging in
masturbation for a month, andthe priestess is like, well, try
harder to hail, mary, say youract of contrition outside.
Like you guys, unless you, as apriest, are saint jean vianney

(01:52:48):
and you're just doing insanepenances that I don't know of
which, if you you are, god blessyou for doing that, probably
not you are probably damningthat soul, especially if it's a
habitual sinner, continuing todo this over and over and over
again, and you're notwithholding absolution Because
that person clearly is notcontrite, because contrition is
I have offended God.
I'm not sad because myconscience convicts me or I

(01:53:11):
think of myself less.
I'm sad because I've offendedgod and I've lost god, etc.
And is that the mentality?

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
so, unless you're preaching that it's not going to
be we, only, we only got likesix minutes left, but I want to
ask you what your thoughts are,because the church clearly did
at one point, uh, havemutilating the flesh as a
penance, right where you wouldflog yourself, things like that.
Do some kind of mortifyingmortifying the flesh, not

(01:53:38):
mutilate mortify mutilationwould be going too far but
mortifying the flesh, physicallymortifying the flesh, not just
mortifying it through fastinghair shirts, things, tinctures,
things like that.
Yeah, when does the churchstart getting away from?

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
that Is that way later, when Dan Brown wrote
about it in his novels.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Yeah, vatican II, because all of the religious
orders had the discipline, whichis basically the whip hair
shirts.
For instance, my spiritualfather, right Father Albert,
traditional Dominican Peopleprobably recognize him from the
Fatima Center videos et cetera.
He's a society Dominican.
They follow the old rule, whichmeans he perpetually abstains

(01:54:20):
from meat for the rest of hislife.
He fasts one meal a day fromSeptember 14th till Easter,
which is the traditional rule ofall the traditional orders.
So six months a year of fasting.
He does the discipline threetimes a week.
He wears a hair shirt Like.
These are old school penances.
And then you see now what, whata priest and monks and nuns
doing today.
They have Tik TOK videos, TikTOK accounts where they're

(01:54:40):
dancing online, all kinds ofinsanity, and so you see it get
dropped.
You do see some, to theircredit, keep it up.
So to his credit.
I'm a critic of Pope John PaulII in many ways, but to his
credit, he continued to use thediscipline himself.
To his credit, he continued todo that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Jose Maria Escriva right.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Yeah, jose Escriva did Opus Dei, I believe actually
has it in their rule of life.
So Scott Hahn's doing that.
You guys just don't know, buthe's probably doing that.
What?

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
daily flagellation.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
I don't know if it's daily, but I think it might be
weekly in their rule, but it issomething on a spiritual level.
You have to have a confessorgrant you this right Because you
don't want to justindiscriminately do this.
But in and of itself it is1000% a good thing, to the point
where St Alphonsus says if aholy priest came to you and told

(01:55:40):
you, your internal penancesmatter more, you don't need to
do the discipline, you don'tneed to do these external
penances.
Know that he is a devil insheep's clothing and a false
prophet, because we have tomortify our flesh, whether that
be removing the occasion of sin,fasting for meat or sometimes

(01:56:01):
hair shirts in the discipline.
Call me Richard, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
Does listening to Lofton rap cone his flagellation
Flagellation to the ears, maybeI don't care.
Does listening to uh lofton rapconan's flagellation?

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
flagellation to the ears, maybe I don't know.
I don't know.
Um, if I was a priest, I wouldjust tell them all to listen to
enoch's videos, but they have todo a 10-hour loop of it and
they can't move this isn't a badidea cigar mode.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
We should show up at mass even earlier, like at a
boudoir though, in the parkinglot holding up signs saying
kneel and receive the Eucharist.
Like you gotta pressure people,like holding signs up outside
of mass.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
You know, I was saying it in the sense that they
need to do a good deed, theyneed to go and just listen to
your video, but they have tolisten to it on a 10-hour loop.

Speaker 5 (01:56:46):
If they 10-hour loop.
No, that's no.
If they want a harsh penance,listen to my video.
Listen to my music bro, I'm nota rap guy at all but some of
your stuff I really do like I'mlike this is pretty good, this
is pretty good yeah same, butyeah thanks, man, I appreciate
you guys.
Yeah, I had such a such a funtime, man, this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
I can't tell you um oh, dude, we're gonna do
pennsylvania in the spring, likeafter easter.
We're gonna do yeah, yeah inthe spring, like after Easter
we're going to do PA again.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
Yeah, whatever, let's just try and figure that out,
nick.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
Yeah, man Appreciate your help with that and
everything.

Speaker 5 (01:57:21):
I appreciate everything you guys did.
I did mention ArchbishopLefebvre on stage.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
Yeah, hey, what Tell me that story?
No, nick, nick in front of themost Novus Ordo crowd ever this
guy gets up on stage.

Speaker 5 (01:57:37):
I got a song called Church in Africa.
And I said a lot of us do lookup to the reverence and the
devotion that they have inAfrica.
And I said you guys do knowthat we will not have, we don't
have that reverence in thechurch in Africa if it wasn't
for Archbishop Lefebvre's inAfrica.

(01:57:59):
He, you know what he brought toAfrica is the reason why we
have what we have in Africatoday.
And I think I got a couple ofpeople that clapped and others
were like.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
Who is that?

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
No, that look.
They all roared in applausebecause they had no idea who
Archbishop Lefebvre was.
They just thought he was justsome.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
Archbishop, they're like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
Probably a moment.
Franco wishes he wasn't in theroom so.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
I wish I was recording.
So as soon as he said it thefirst time, because he said it
twice as soon as he said it thefirst time, I grabbed my camera
and recorded it.
So I'm going to try and lookthrough my video.
I got a bunch of videos fromEnoch performing.
If I can find the Lefebvre clip, I'm posting it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:40):
If you can, Anthony, send some of those to me on
WhatsApp.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
You bring him to one SSPX.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
Mass and look what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Alright, guys, we got a minute left.
Thursday night we'll be back,nick, you gonna be around
Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:58:59):
Yeah, if we're talking about stuff, we
shouldn't be talking aboutonline.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Yeah, we'll figure something out, We'll talk about
something good.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Are we trying?

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
to get the Canadian on.
I did ask him If we getHoldsworth.
You're coming on right, nick.
Oh heck yeah if Holdsworth'scoming on.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Wait, where did the I'm trying to?
Why does it keep there?
We go there we go.

Speaker 5 (01:59:24):
You guys got the right-handed stepchild coming
out on Thursday Well.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
I sent them an email, but I don't know if he hasn't
answered yet.

Speaker 4 (01:59:32):
I don't know if we're too.

Speaker 3 (01:59:33):
Because he came out and said he wouldn't do church
gossip anymore.
So I don't know if maybe we'repersona non grata anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
I don't know, that'll be fun, yeah, if he comes on,
I'll definitely come on, that'dbe fun.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
I've never, gotten to meet him.
Well, we got 10 seconds left,so here's yeah, guys, we'll see
you Thursday America great,again, go vote for Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
Do the right thing.
That's all I gotta say.
Peace out.

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