Faithful Protectors: How Men Can Safeguard Our Families After Annunciation - Guns 'N Rosaries Ep. 2 - Avoiding Babylon

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The middle children of history.
Man, no purpose or place.
You have no great war, no greatdepression.
Our great war is a spiritualwar.
What's up everyone?

(00:41):
Happy Labor Day to everyone.
I can't imagine we're going tohave a huge audience being a
holiday, but I figure we shouldprobably keep to a schedule or
try to anyways.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, it was a little hard to keep on my schedule
today with the weekend andeverything Like I was telling
you earlier.
I earlier to the kids campingand it was my daughter's
birthday this weekend and she'sentering an age I'm not ready
for, and so it's been.
It's been a whole lot of likedad getting used to things that

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you know he was not expecting tobe used to yet.
Uh, fair enough, do some dosome camping, do some fishing?
Um, we've got a sick cow.
We, I'm trying to figure outwhat her issue is.
Um, so I've been trying to takecare of her today as well, but
it's been a good weekend.
I had a mishap last week that Iposted on an x, my, uh, my

(01:40):
usual carry glock.
This is a glock 19.
I've got a swamp Fox optics onit and close red dot and
apparently the rounds wereejecting right into the glass.
I don't know if y'all can seethat I'm flagging everybody.
Don't worry, it's it's empty, Umbecause like a bullet's going
to come through the screen.
There's a crack, apparently itwas ejecting straight from into

(02:03):
the end of the glass.
um, I'm flagging everybody inthere to get used to it, uh, and
it just cracked on me and soI'm not real happy about that.
Um, I've got barely a thousandrounds on this optic, barely.
I think I just broke it thisrain session, um, because I had,
you know, like with your 43,you were having issues with the

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ejector.
I thought I was having issueswith mine too.
I didn't know if it was like aGen 5 thing, but apparently I
just had old ammo, because whenI buy ammo I buy it in like
1,000 rounds at a time.
It's just cheaper, it's cheaperthat way.
Especially now.
You know you can get freeshipping, sometimes so it makes
it even cheaper.
Yeah, sometimes so it makes iteven cheaper.

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Yeah, but um, I apparently hadsome older ammo and like it,
just did not like it.
Man, I was getting failurefeeds, um, and it was like two
different companies.
It was blazer and it was, uh, Ithink, freedom munitions, and
it just was not, but I threw it.
But then I threw it my czshadow, uh, compact and it did
yeah like a fat kid, you know,um, and so I just threw some.

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I bought some new cz ammo, um,and there's a.
I've got a local gun shop thatsells a lot of cz stuff, um, as
far as like from tecla to rockyand uh, yeah, they've got a
bunch of nine mil and I threwthat in it and it did fine and
so it had to be in the ammo.
I thought it was the mags,because usually when you have,
like a failure to feed or anytype of um failure on a on a

(03:29):
firearm, the first thing youwant to look at is the magazine,
usually the magazine um.
But no, it wasn't the magazines, because it happened on every
single magazine I had um.
But yeah, man, I thought, man,I just bought this because the
reason I bought the glock?
Because I used to carry aShadow Systems MR920.
And I went to a shooting coursewith a guy and I didn't have

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any issues, but two other guyswho had Shadow Systems, theirs
was just failing nonstop and Iwas like man, is my going to do
that?
I got paid way too much for thisgun for it to be failing yeah
they're not cheap.
I'll go back to old, trustworthyand go back to the glock,
because I used to carry a uh,converted glock 23 that I put a
nine millimeter barrel in and,um, I used to carry that all the

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time.
I didn't have an optic on it,so that when I went to the
mr920s for the optics and sothen I went back to the clock
and then I started having issueswith the glock and I said, oh
my, what is going on?
Um, I just found out it wasjust old ammo.
Just, I mean, it's really old.
It was like nine years oldthat's okay, that is pretty old,
I need to cycle.
I need to cycle through my ammoa little bit more often.
I think, uh, then it was justlike it was in the back and I

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think it felt neglected, youknow, and it was like.
It was like poor little red,yeah, exactly.
Just asking for me to play withhim.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
JD says from one Marine to another Semper Fidelis
Prayer's going up forMinneapolis.
He'll be there in a few weeks.
I've been to the Church of AllSaints once, jd, and might be
having Sebastian, our newestbaptizer, there.
We'll see.
We're having trouble finding aplace to get a traditional

(05:08):
baptism.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
In your diocese.
Is it a rule that you have tobe registered at that parish to
be able to be baptized there?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I don't believe so, but our diocese does not allow
traditional baptisms at all.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Does not allow traditional baptism settle, so
if you just.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I mean so the local FSSP parishes or wherever
they're not willing just toaccommodate y'all.
Oh well, so we go two hours toour one diocese in TLM.
The next set of TLMs is twohours further south in the Twin
Cities, and that's a differentdiocese is two hours further
south in the Twin Cities andthat's a different diocese.
With Philomena, our now secondyoungest, we went to the parish

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I grew up in, down in South StPaul, to get a traditional
baptism.
They were willing toaccommodate us, no problem.
But this time around they'reunavailable for like the next
month.
We ideally don't want to waitthat long.
It's a busy bear, so I'm nottoo surprised.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
But so in those instances would you be able to
just tell the priest like, hey,I'm going to baptize her at home
, but can we just cut you andschedule it out for a month and
then come do it as well, just incase maybe I I haven't.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I want to try a couple other routes first.
So I'm gonna check in with theFSSP in Minneapolis I could
check.
So Tyler is asking how close isthe nearest SSPX chapel?
There's a chapel in St Paulthat gets a.
They have a one mass, you know,one Sunday mass.
There's a priory in St Cloudbut Anthony's flying in for it.

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St Cloud doesn't have anairport so that doesn't ideally
work.
So I don't know If the SSPcan't do it and we can't find a
traditional baptism in thecities, I guess, worst case,
maybe we could potentially do anew rite baptism after the TLM
here in our diocese.
I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's such a mess man Like like y'all talk about on
y'all show, like I don't I don'tfault anybody for I don't fault
set of a contest, I don't faultpeople go to SSPX because we
are in such confusion now, likeyou know, it was being passed
all over x right now is likefather james martin going to see
the pope, right, and then popeleo, like obviously you know,

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and so all the narratives arecoming out like he's obviously
uh, proving of father jamesmartin, like you don't know what
was said.
Right now he hasn't saidanything against him, right, so
I get why you think that, but wealso don't know what was said.
Um, and father james JamesMartin is not somebody that
really tells the truth a lot, soyeah, and and he also knows

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he's got the secular world onhis side.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So and a lot of money on his side too.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.
So if a Pope does finally comedown on the Skittles section of
the Catholic church, you'regoing to be, you're're gonna
have to be willing to reap thewhirlwind on that right, and
unfortunately we don't.
We have very few bishops thatwere picked because they have a
backbone right and so true Ijust, I just don't, I don't

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fault anybody, like in thesituation y'all are in.
you know, because I had a friendright after judicious
custodians happened and he had adaughter, he had to transfer to
our diocesan Latin mass parishto get his child baptized in the
old rite because they wouldn'tlet it happen at any of the
Novus Ordo, even though all mychildren were baptized at a
Novus Ordo parish right In thetraditional rite.

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In the traditional rite and theparish right, um, in the
traditional right, and thepriest is very, he's very on
board with latin mass, butunfortunately he can't do it.
You won't, they won't let himdo it at that parish
specifically.
Uh, so you know.
But he had, you know, in ourdiocese you can't be baptized
somewhere you're not registered.
So he registered our parish andnow he's at the ordinary you
know, which is a bastardstepchild of the Latin mass

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pretty much.
And so here in our diocesewe're very, we have a lot of
Episcopalian churches, a lot ofMethodists and I think an
ordinary it would do phenomenalthere.
We've already had multiple likeEpiscopalian churches, or at
least the people that go thereall converted once.
It's happened a couple times inthis dynasty oh, really, um yeah

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um priest and everything soyeah so, yeah, pastors came over
and everything, um, and sowe've had that apparently
happened a couple times nowbefore I got here I've only been
here like seven or eight yearsbut um, I think it would, as the
, but I think it would, as thekids say, I think it would kill,
right, like it would, just, itwould go crazy because we have,

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we have a lot man, even our.
Well, I'll say this we have anAnglican church here who the
pastor there is getting a lot offlack Cause he's sounding a bit
too Catholic and so, um, andcause he's friends with you know
, some other people I know, butI so I've heard through you know
, third, fourth hand sources,but, um, I think it would do
phenomenal here.
Uh, just cause we have so many,cause you have so many

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Episcopalians that I know, infact, I know two guys personally
who came over from theEpiscopalian church cause they
are a little too gay.
Like he's, like I just gottired of hearing it.
He's like now he goes to apretty traditional, you know,
vernacular mass.
Um, you know, and he loves itthere, like he's a people still
talk like this.
But, yeah, you just gotta findthe right people.
Man, hang out with them.
Go to gun rangers.

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You'll find them there, um, butI just think it.
You know it's just, we're in areally horrible situation and I
don't fault anybody.
Like we've had discussionsabout.
You know there are certain, youknow about certain people I
don't like right and I'm like,but I'm not willing to like
throw them to the side justbecause I disagree with them on

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a majority of the opinions theyhave they're wrong about
everything.
Yeah they're still on our side,right, um, and so I just I'm not
willing to do that with anybody.
That because we are surroundedon all sides and we should not
be throwing any allies awayright now, whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
My, uh, my melancholic side gets the better
of me, uh, sometimes,especially on Twitter, as you've
noticed.
Yeah, yep, but yeah, it is it's.
I don't know.
It shouldn't be this hard toget your kid baptized.
It really shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
No, it's, I don't know.
It shouldn't be this hard toget your kid baptized, it really
shouldn't?
No, they were well and thenthey would.
Then they would, you know,respond back with we'll just get
it done in the new right.
What's wrong with you?
Right?
It's not as good, yeah exactly,exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
How do I tell you this?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
you know like uh have you?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
have you?
Have you seen like the worldtoday, like, yeah, our kids need
exorcisms when they get born.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Come on, guys just just the mere fact that they
have to ask that indicates thatthey're one has to be better
than the other.
Yeah, so then, looking at it onit, on its merits, right, like
what?
Which one is it?
Um?
So, yeah, I get it, you know,and and you're in a position
where, like you, might have todo some stuff that you just

(12:07):
don't tell anybody, right, likeit's been between you and the
priest.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
The problem with the baptism is that, like the parish
you're baptized at and a lot ofpeople don't know this the
parish you're baptized at, thatparish holds all of your
sacramental records for the restof your life.
So, like um, which is isdifficult, because now before

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sebastian, my three, my, myfirst three kids their
sacramental records are at threedifferent parishes.
You know so that that becomestroublesome.
You know, when you go for FirstCommunion, confirmation,
marriage later in life, theyhave to go to the parish they
were baptized to get theirsacramental record.
So, like I know a few priests,I could fly in, you know, to do

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a traditional baptism, you know,undercover, no problem, that
would be easy.
Where am I going to find aparish to give us a baptismal
certificate from?
You know and hold and holdtheir baptismal records at that
point.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah, I, um, when I had, when I came back
into the church, you know, 10years ago it was about 10 years
ago.
Anyway, my wife and I, a fewyears later, had to have a it's
called a radical stagnation ofour marriage, because I didn't
get a dispensation when I, whenwe got married, and because I
was I was, you know had driftedaway from the church, um, and,

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thankfully, my parish, like that, I grew up when I got all my
sacraments at, uh, it's stillthere, uh, thankfully, um, and
so I was able to get it, but ittook forever to get it.
Uh, you know, and and because,like they still, in fact, they
called me one day.
They're like, hey, uh, you know, do you have a number I can fax
this to?
And I was like, well, I don't,I don't, you know, I don't have.

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And my comment was like, oh,you know, you know we don't have
that here.
She's like we don't have that,where I was like in 2020 or 2018
.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Like we don't use faxes anymore.
In the 21st century, we don'thave fax.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Why don't you send it to me on the Pony Express, you
know, and I was like just emailit.
No, we have to send it throughfax or by, you know, personal,
the US Postal Service.
I'm like that doesn't make anysense, because now you're in a
position what happens when thoseparishes close, as we're seeing
in a lot of dioceses?
Do they just all go to thecathedral?

(14:32):
That would make sense.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, I don't know, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
What ends up happening?
Um, you know.
And so, if you have all theseparishes that do, because, like
mine's, the parish I grew up inthis is now part of a cluster,
right?
like it's, one one priest overlike four parishes.
Um, you know what happens whenit's not there anymore.
Like what do we do, you know?
Because I, I don't know.
So it's, yeah, I don't envysomeone in your position,

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especially after traditionals,because I was especially after
these young families having allthese kids and like what do we?
You know, our english masswon't, won't do the, don't do
the mass, or it won't do theright, right.
So what do we do?
So it's rough, man, you know.
That's why I don't faultanybody.
Go to the SSPV if you need to.
We got one here in Alabama too.

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We talked about that duringtraditionalist custodians.
When that happened, like what dowe do if they take our mass?
I think the majority opinionwas look, the mass is the most
important thing, but communityis right there too, and we have
a really good community at ourparish.
And so we were like man, we'regoing to make this English Mass

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as like, reverent as possibleand we're just going to annoy
everybody with it.
You know you're going to havevery few things in actual
English, I think you know, ifthat ever happened.
But thankfully we haven't hadto deal with that, you know.
But I was like, hey, man, Iknow some.
There's an SSPX across statelines and I know some folks over
there and he'd be willing tocome over here and do a mass.

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I got some land, we can throwup some tents, we can make this
happen, but thankfully wehaven't had to come up to that
yet, and so we'll have to seewhere things go.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, the community thing is hard, like you know,
because we live in a very, veryrural area and you know, like I,
I work with multiple guys thatthat go to the, the local
parishes.
Like it would be very, veryeasy to be a part of the
Catholic community here, butwe're not going to Mass here, I
can't send my kids to the faithformation here, and it's hard to

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have a community that's twohours away that you have a hard
time getting to once a week on aSunday afternoon, let alone for
an activity on Wednesday nightsor something like that.
It's just not possible.
So you feel like you'reentirely alone, which is one
reason why Ant and I built thischannel.
Yeah, because it's given usthat sort of community that it's

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so hard to find out there aswell, just as faithful Catholics
in general, let alone trads.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, yeah, well, just as faithful catholics in
general, let alone trads, yeah,yeah.
So, uh, let's get into thetopic that happened last week
with the mcason parish um, and Ithink where I, where I'd like
to start, is um, really where itcame from the responses you got
on your post on on x, justshowing like what you would be

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carrying that day, right, let me, let me just pull that up, I
guess I don't.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
You know I complain about anthony always making this
a twitter review show, but forthose of you who aren't on
twitter, let me just see if Ican pull up my original post.
Uh, share my screen here, so II will.
I will admit this is a littlebit of a mass fit post, so it's

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a little gay in that sense, butbut it's not, it's not vain and
that I was showing in it at alland it really was done just to
kind of, I don't know, try tochange the the weird.
I don't know, I'll try tochange the the weird.
I don't know what it's likedown South by you, but like up
here, like Yankee Catholicismreally is like anti-gun.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
So, so, before we get into this, I've got a story.
So I went to Minneapolis aboutthree years ago, I'm sorry and
uh, you know, I was up there fora conference for work, and we,
after the conference was over,um, we ended up going to a
restaurant in uh, somewhere Ican't remember what it's called,
apparently like the mafia usedto own it, whatever.

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First time I ever had, uh,fermented, what was it called?
Some type of fish?
Um, lutefisk, no man, what wasit?
It was delicious, by the way,but I mean, that's the german in
me, I like everything fermented, but, um, anyway, so we're it's
me and other guys, it's justnothing but me and a table full
of guys.
I have my job and, um, I, wewere having a conversation about

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god.
That's a.
Is that a sub, sub comment?
Sub, yeah, subtweet comment.
So, yeah, a sub YouTube comment.
That's funny, bobby.
And we were just having aconversation about God, right
and just whatever, and justtalking about the faith,
whatever.
And we had a table next to usApparently, it was a man and a
woman and decided it was theirmission to come and confront us

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about our conversation andconfront us about our
conversation, and it was a veryboss, lady, woman and a very
subdued husband or boyfriend orwhatever he was.
And she just yeah, it could havebeen a brother, who knows.
And she decided to tell us thatit was irresponsible of us to
be having this conversation inpublic and be calling God a he

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and like I'm just like you know,know, I'm at the end of the
week, I'm just really just doneand I'm ready to go home.
And I just kept telling likehey, thank you, appreciate that,
have a nice night.
And she just had she had totell us like she had to get on
her pedestal and I just keptthinking, like we're in
minneapolis, right, where, like,literally, was founded by
German Catholics pretty much thewhole area, right, your

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cathedral could fit five of mycathedrals.
Yeah, yeah, the Cathedral of StPaul is massive Love that place
Right, and this woman thought itwas.
And I was like where am I?
Like?
I'm so thankful I live in theSouth, especially Alabama, which
is literally just like theSouth.
Yeah, and I get in thisconversation with my wife all

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the time.
If you're South of the MasonDix line, you made it, you're in
the, you're in the, you're onthe team.
Okay, north of the Mason Dixline Can't help you.
But I was like man, I'm justcause like I'll go to Publix
here and go get some, you know,groceries or whatever, and I'll
just start having a conversationwith the person in front of me
waiting in line.
We'll talk about Jesus, we'lltalk about God, we'll talk about
everything.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
And it does not happen up here.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Right.
So if y'all are in occupiedterritory and you want to move
to freedom, come to Alabama.
All right, so let's pull upyour post.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
So I just I said men, what are you all carrying a
mask today, with a picture ofwhat I carried two masks
yesterday?
And you know, there are poststhat you purposefully kind of
create to get out of your littlecircle and cause issues.
This was not one of them.
I did not want this post to getout of your little circle and

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cause issues.
This was not one of them.
I did not want this post to getout of out of my little circle,
and yet it's got almost 200 000views and boy did it piss some
people off.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's amazing it's amazing, are you?
Are you monetized yet on an x?
Uh, I did just recentlymonetize, yeah that's gonna that
going to be like a few roundsof that's going to be like 10
bucks yeah.
Yeah, so I think, and that's,you know, a big reason we wanted

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to start doing this was we'vegot to change the culture of
because the Catholic church isknown as the anti-gun church
right, which we have no rightLike that should not even be,
especially in america, shouldnot be even in the same
conversation it is the americanbishops that made us the
anti-gun church yes, so, um,that was a big thing of this.

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Wanting to do this type of showwas to change that culture.
Yeah, right, a little bit,right.
Hopefully some of y'all go outand do bigger, better things
than we do here and y'all canchange it even more.
But, like, this is the wholepurpose of this is to have to
develop the community so that wecan have like minded folks that
are taking responsibility forthe protection of themselves and
their families, or takingprotection, you know, taking

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responsibility to protect otherpeople too.
You know, because, like, if I'mout by myself, um, I may not
carry all the time, right, andbecause, in whatever the
situation is, if I'm goingsomewhere like a, you know, like
a courthouse or something thatI can't carry, right, I'm not
leaving the car or whatever,right, but I'm okay, within that
position, that if somethinghappens, I don't have a firearm
on me, right, like, like I coulddie, right, and that's.

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I'm willing to accept that.
But when I'm out with my wifeand my four young children,
three of which are girls, I willdo some horrible things to
protect them.
Right, I'm willing to do levelsof violence that would shock a
lot of you, because my job andmy duty is to protect my family.

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That is completely my, myresponsibility, my
responsibility only, and if Ifail in that, I have to answer
for that.
So, um, that was a you know,when I saw that on your post,
because I didn't really get toreally look at it till today.
It made a little bit last nightand I was yeah, you were
camping.
That's right.
Yeah, I just, I just looking atit I was like it's a lot of

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liberal catholics still whobring up the trope of uh, you
should be carrying a mass anyway, like that, that's the
sacrifice of the mass.
You should, you shouldn't bedoing that.
That's, that's blasphemy.
Like you would be shocked toenter a mass in the 1200s, like
the amount of men there thatwere at least carrying a long

(24:30):
dagger, right, at least, if notsome of them having scored,
which was the, the contemporaryversion of carrying a handgun
yes, right.
and so like, how shocked, like,would you rather I carry a sword
?
Like I'm not a Columbus?
They issue one.
Pretty much, I'll show up witha sword if I need to Trust me.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
You want to see someone getting run through with
a sword far less than you wantto see them getting shot with a
9mm.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes, the violence required to kill someone with a
sword is a whole lot bloodierthan shooting somebody.
Yeah, but just seeing some ofthe responses you got, man, or
like what was one of them waswell, so you know, living in
fear, right?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Well, no, like living in fear would mean that you're
not willing to protect anybody.
I never I don't evennecessarily think this is the
case, but say I never owned agun.
And what happened in you know,annunciation, you know made me
so afraid to the point where Iwent and got one just so I could
carry a church Cause I thoughtfor sure someone's going to
shoot up a church maybe then.
But like I carry every time Ileave the house, so it's not any

(25:41):
different for me, it's.
I'm not any more feel fearfulnow than I was 10 years ago when
I started carrying.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, so in Afghanistan you are not allowed
to go anywhere.
If you're on any FOB likeforward operating base, right.
You are not allowed to goanywhere without a firearm on
you, at least right.
And one is for responsibility,like you should have it within
arm rate, but you never knowwhen you're going to need it
either.
You're mostly safe on theforward operating base, like I
was.
I mostly operated a fiveleatherneck and Helmand province

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when I was there.
But you're required to have itone to show that you have it
Right.
And then you didn't lose it,cause I can't tell you how many
lieutenants lost their, their Mnine in a port-a-potty right or
their as well, they're in forleaving a port-a-potty.
I returned twice to myself, butit's okay, biden lost thousands,
yeah, yeah, so, uh, you are,and you know when they did have

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mass.
Yes, you're required to have iton you and a lot of times
you're required for it to beloaded right.
It depends on you know, ifyou're on in in the outer
reaches of the empire inAfghanistan, like where I was,
if we had a priest come by andhe did mass, if you don't have a
magazine in, you have onenearby, but once you left the

(26:54):
wire, you had one in.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Were they chambered.
I don't know the policy.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
It depends, it really depended.
So once you stepped outside thewire, you have to have around
around in the chamber, you haveto right.
You have to be able to throwthat selector off real quick and
go to work if you need to, buton base not so.
But you can just have amagazine and be ready to rack it
if you needed to.
It just depends.
But like our base was only wassurrounded by Hesco berries,

(27:25):
which is basically just a canvasbag in a, in a metal netting
that was filled with dirt.
Right, it was an illusion ofsafety.
Yes, it was stopped like an rpg, but like it was only going to
last for so long.
Um, so it is a little bit ofillusion safety, but yes, all
the time, like you know, plentyof times, are you?
Throughout history, do we haveuh, weapons being openly born,
openly shown, openly worn oranything in the mass?

(27:47):
You know, even you know thereare some apostles out there that
, during a mass, require you tolift a sword that they issue you
, right?
So the fact that we are soscared of weapons and a faith
that developed the just wartheory is asinine.

(28:07):
It is, and so we we need to uhstop, start taking away the
stigma and get rid of the stigmaof being able to protect
ourselves I.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
so, um, I did look up to see if there were any any
previous uh cannons issued bysynods or councils that at any
point banned weapons at mass,and the only things I could find
were some cannons from verylocal synods, um, between about

(28:43):
the year 500.
So, like in North Africa, therewere some in the year 500.
So, like in North Africa, therewere some in the 500s, but they
applied, like I said, only tolocal areas.
And, like in the 500s in NorthAfrica, that's the heart of the
Roman Empire, you know, like youwere safe, as safe there as
anywhere.
Yeah, there were a few issuedunder charlemagne, um, but once

(29:06):
again, you know, that's, that'sthe, you know, the heart of the,
the carolinian empire.
After charlemagne, though, like,there are no even local cannons
that I could find that bannedweapons at mass.
And if you think abouthistorically at that point I
mean you, you know, the northafrica at that point was well,
was then muslim, um, the rest ofeurope was under attack.

(29:29):
So after the kind of the, thesafety and security of of of
rome fell, those, those evenlocal cannons, stopped being
issued.
So there's never, as far as Icould find, there was never any
universal canon that bannedlaity from having weapons.

(29:49):
There were some, I think, inthe Middle Ages that banned
clergy from carrying weapons.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, it's just when you think of the, the world we
live in now, right with the, howeasy it is to commit violent
acts of terrorism, and how oftenchurches have been attacked

(30:17):
like an initiation parish,because the kid that did that
went to that parish, right, hismother had worked there, yes,
right, but so he had someconnection there at least, right
, um, and so he knew it, andthat was somebody that was on
the inside, right, and so howeasy, how much easier is it for

(30:37):
him because, one, he knows thelayout, because we saw on the
manifesto, he, he had basicallywritten out a battle plan and
where he planned on, he had amap drawn from memory.
Yeah, right, and so, um, it wasa lot easier for him because he
knew the inside, whereas, likeyou know, someone who aloha
snack bar, right, may not know,you know the, the layout of
local parishes, and so they'rejust kind of working blind if

(30:59):
they do something.
But how easy it for them to dosome type of vehicle-borne
attack crashing through the, thenarthex and into the building
right, that you know, we saw in,uh, waukesha, wisconsin, a few
years ago, um, where he wentthrough the parade right and
killed a bunch of people, um,the, the deadliest item most
people have access to is avehicle, right?

(31:20):
How easy it would be for themto you know, as everybody's
coming out of mass, to just plowthrough people as they're
coming out of mass, right, andso oh, or a procession,
eucharistic procession orsomething.
Imagine, you know, doing CorpusChristi and all of a sudden you
have a Toyota Camry, you knowjust plowing through people,
right, and it's not hard becauseyou can't stop a vehicle,

(31:43):
because it's a couple thousandpounds, and there's really
nothing you can do other thanhaving barriers up in some way.
But we're getting behindsomething.
But you know the world we livein and with the amount of

(32:05):
violence that's going on bypeople who just hate us, whether
they hate you for your politics, they hate you for your
religion, whatever it is, sosome of the things.
So we we I had intended to haveRick Barrett on and he
unfortunately apparently was inRome over the weekend and his
flight couldn't make it back intime.
He apologized for not beingable to be here, but I'm going
to quote extensively from hisbook.
His book is a fantastic resourceand it's everything just
basically summarized and puttogether for everyone to educate

(32:28):
themselves on what is theactual Catholic position on
carrying a firearm.
So we're going to go throughthis fairly quickly because I
want to get into what could havebeen done at Annunciation
Parish and what I would suggestand maybe helping y'all get some
ideas of where you go from here, if maybe you don't have any
type of security team at yourparish or anything, how do you

(32:49):
establish one?
We can go from there, but I'mgoing to start in Chapter 3
because I want to go over someof the books.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Do you want to show everyone the book and read the
text?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, so this is.
You all can see I've got somenotes ready to go.
So this is the book.
Right, it's like 15 bucks onAmazon.
You can get a PDF of it as well, but it's a great resource.
Apple Books has it for twobucks.
Apple Books does yeah.
So if you like electronic books, I don't, but if you do, it's

(33:19):
great, two bucks.
Not only that, but then you canread.
You, you know, you'll be ableto search it and stuff and like
I had to actually read it tofind where what I wanted, um,
you're gonna sit in chapterthree.
So chapter three, we're gonnastart with the popes.
So, starting with a quote frompope saint john paul, the second
1995 encyclical, evangeliumvitae, let me see if I can zoom

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in on this here.
Oh, come on it's gonna startwith certainly um next page.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think okay, right here.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
So uh yeah so as it starts.
So this is from 1995, john paulii.
Certainly, the intrinsic valueof life and the duty to love
oneself no less than others arethe basis of a true right to
self-defense.
The demanding commandment oflove of neighbor set forth in

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the Old Testament, confirmed byJesus itself, presupposes love
of oneself as the basis ofcomparison.
You shall love your neighbor asyourself.
Consequently, no one canrenounce the right to
self-defense out of lack of lovefor life or for self.
This can only be done in virtueof heroic love, which deepens
and transfigures the love ofself into a radical

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self-offering according to thespirit of the gospel of the
attitudes.
The sublime example of thisself-offering is the lord jesus
himself.
So one you know when you'redeciding to protect yourself.
Right, you have a right to yourbody.
Right, you have a right to yourown protection.

(35:04):
You have a right to your safety, and so you have a right to
defend yourself against someonewho….

Speaker 1 (35:13):
And rights and responsibilities go hand in hand
.
So if God gave you that right,God has given you also a
responsibility to protectyourself.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Right.
So even if it's just you, youknow you have to be willing to
accept the consequences, right.
So, like I was bringing upearlier, I don't always carry.
Depending where I'm at,depending on what's going on,
I'm willing to accept thatconsequence.
Where I'm at, depending onwhat's going on, I'm willing to
accept that consequence.
I'm willing to go in to thatestablishment, right, and
knowing what may happen, and I'mokay with that and you have to.

(35:43):
You have to be okay with thatas well.
But you also have to be okay toaccept the consequences If you
decide not to abide by somethingthat they, that they ask you to
do.
Right, I have been kicked out ofbusinesses for carrying when
they didn't want me to.
That's okay, that's their right, that's their business, right,
I don't have to be there either.

(36:04):
I can give my business tosomeone else, and I do most
often.
But if I'm meeting somebody forlunch or something and it's a
place they like, I'm willing tobe kicked out, right, at least
here in Alabama they just kickyou out.
Some states they'll arrest you.
But so know your localordinances and be willing to
accept the consequences, allright.

(36:25):
So then, continue on.
Legitimate defense can be notonly a right but a grave duty
can be not only a right but agrave duty.
That's important Grave duty forsomeone responsible for
another's life, the common goodof the family or of the state.
Unfortunately, it happens thatthe need to render the aggressor

(36:45):
incapable of causing harmsometimes involves taking his
life.
In this case, the fatal outcomeis attributable to the
aggressor whose action broughtit about, even though he may not
be morally responsible becauseof a lack of the use of reason.
That's an important part there.
Yeah, it's a grave duty, Right?
So if any of y'all follow me onon X, you'll see I keep quoting

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this same scripture verse overand over and over.
Right, because it is important1 Timothy 5, 8,.
But if any man not care of hisown, and especially of those of
his house, he hath denied thefaith and is worse than an
infidel.
Right, you are responsible foryour family as the protector,

(37:31):
provider, presider of yourfamily.
Right, you are responsible forthem and their safety depends on
you.
If you are unwilling to do whatyou need to do to take care of
them, you're going to answerthat and it won't be good.
So that's going through thePope's and we're, and we're just

(37:52):
going to keep going down.
This is going to be a lot ofstuff that y'all can find in
this book.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I like that we start at a Pope that at least most of
us probably involved in thischannel would consider one of
the more modernist liberal Popes.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
But even JP2 recognized not only the right
but the responsibility and dutyto use whatever means, at least
proportional means, to defendyourself and remember where he
came from, right and like, wherewhat he grew up under, right,
so it, and that's, that's helped, uh, give him the foundation
for the understanding of thatright.

(38:28):
Um, you know, because you havea lot of people who live, you
know, like in europe, right, alot of places in europe right
now they're even outlawingknives, like you can't even have
a knife, um, but they don'tseem to go after immigrants who
have fully automatic aks, right,but you say something about
them and all of a sudden, youknow, you're, you're snatched up

(38:49):
, like we saw with that littlegirl in scotland was she 14
years old protecting her littlesister she understood her duty
better than most men do, and nowshe's being arrested for it.
Um, so, yes, I agree it, popesaint john paul ii is, uh,

(39:10):
probably the best person formost people that have grown up
in the last 50 years, um, toreally uh, bring it home that
you know one that they idolizeas much as he.
As him, you know, he reallyrespect what he did, um, he
needed.
Even.
He says look, you know, youhave a right, you have a grave
duty, that is, that is nolaughing matter.

(39:35):
Right, you have a, you have aresponsibility to do that.
All right.
So then, if you get intochapter four, going over what
the church, the church actuallysay, right, and this is just,
you know, catechism aftercouncil, after catechism, after
code of canon law, right, andI'm only going to hit a few of
these, um, so the two um bigones is, you know, we have the

(39:59):
catechism of trent if a man killanother in self-defense, having
used every means consistentwith his own safety to avoid the
infliction of death, heevidently does not violate this
commandment speaking of thefifth commandment, correct.
So you're, and it comes down tolike, just for theory, with a
proportionate response, right,if someone is breaking into your

(40:23):
house, like don't set off aclaymore, right, you know, like,
don't, don't shove a bunch oftannerite, and you know, a
pillow right by the door andblow that thing up as they're
coming in, right, like, let'smake it apportionate, right?
So, um, it's, uh, I have knownof guys in wartime who have gone

(40:49):
a little bit overboard, right,um.
But, uh, you know, uh, a Roombawill hold approximately one
pound of tannerite.
I don't know who needs to knowthat, but that's an experiment
that has been tried.
One pound of tannerite is a lotof tannerite.
You throw some nuts and boltsin there too, man, it's a party.

(41:18):
We'll go on for the council oftrinity, then we get into the
the.
Let's see baltimore catechism,right?
Question 1276 under whatcircumstances may human life be
lawfully taken?
Answer human life may belawfully taken, one in
self-defense, when we areunjustly attacked and have no
other means of saving our ownlives.
Okay, you can't just go outlike that.

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That's why revenge is notacceptable, right, um, after the
threat is gone, uh, you have tolet it go.
Now we can get into it, becausethat's a conversation I've had.
I've asked Timothy Flanders youknow, at what point are we in
self-defense, right?
So like, for example, say, yourlocal government has become

(42:03):
corrupt and they want to comesnatch up your children because
you won't let them learn theSkittles faith, right?
Skittles faith, right.
Um, like, at what point are youjustified, right?
Do they have to put hands onyour kid and try to pull them
away from you physically?
Or can you stop before theycome in the driveway?

(42:23):
Right?
Or can you stop before they getinto your neighborhood?
Like, where?
At what point?
Right, yeah, do you.
Because if they're coming toyour house, and you know they're
coming to their house andthey're coming to take your
child away from you, right?
So at what point do you feelthreatened?
And, and do your, are youfearing for the safety of your
child children?
Um, so I don't know, I can'tanswer that for you.

(42:44):
Um, I can just answer what Iwould do and I won't say that on
this stream, but, uh, that'snot.
Just know that, like, you haveto be willing to accept the
consequences, all right.
So then we get into theCatechism 2006.
All right, this should be onthe next page.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Do you want otherwise ?
2265, and the CCC is good, 2265.
And this is part of what jp2quoted from.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
And yeah, legitimate defense can be not only a right
but a grave duty for one who isresponsible for the lives of
others.
The defense of common goodrequires that an unjust
aggressor be rendered unable tocause harm.
This is another reason that thedeath penalty is in the in
scripture right is listed hasalways been taught by the church

(43:40):
yeah, right is it's funny howthis is.
This completely contradictsfrancis's edit later on in the
catechism because, I mean, wehad this issue in alabama a
couple years.
Two years ago, an inmateescaped with a um corrections
officer and he ended up killingtwo more people before he got

(44:03):
apprehended right, and so if hehad been legitimately given the
death penalty, that would havesaved those two people's lives,
and just in that aspect, noteven taking into account getting
him to answer for his own sinsand face death himself and
hopefully repent.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Also, a defense of the common good isn't
necessarily, even necessarily,like a threat of someone taking
someone's life Now.
Now I'm not talking about inthe, in self-defense, but I'm
talking about, like, uh, forcapital punishment.
You know you don't have to beworried about that person

(44:44):
escaping prison necessarily todefend the common good with
execution.
You know it could be that andstudies, studies prove this out
that using capital punishmentdeters crime.
In that that is a defense ofthe common good and therefore
can justify the capitalpunishment.
But that's a separate topic.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, yeah, and just finishing out, 2265, the last
one really brings it home.
For this reason, those wholegitimately hold authority also
have the right to use arms torepel aggressors against the
civil community and trusted totheir responsibility.
So a lot of people are going tobring up.
Well, it says hold, you know,authority or civil community

(45:26):
right or civil community right.
You have authority over yourhome, right?
You have authority over yourfamily.
Your family is a civilcommunity, so you are
legitimately in authority.
You don't have to be electedElections are a recent invention
, so you don't have to be putthere by some overarching

(45:47):
authority.
You have authorities given toyou by God that you are required
to uphold and protect.
That you are required to upholdand protect.
So you don't have to think that, well, just because I'm not a
police officer, then I don'thave the authority.
No, that's not the case.
You are the priest, prophet andking of your home right, and
you need to act accordingly,right?
So we're gonna go over a coupleothers, and again, this is not

(46:09):
exhaustive, we're not gonna goover all the stuff, all the
citations that go over in thisbook.
These are just kind of somewave tops.
So y'all understand that thisis our faith, this is our
tradition.
Right Is to protect life.

(46:37):
And then we get a little bit inthe just war theory, which
chapter six, not much I justreally want to go over, really,
the um, what satisfies just war?
Um, because this really doestake into account, because this,
this guides how you respond,right and how you act.
Um.
So, over just war theory, um,it has to have a just cause,
right, right.
So this is where you know,revenge is outside the realm of

(46:57):
possibility.
Here you cannot seek someoneout after the threat is gone,
right, if somebody's breakinginto your house and you shoot
them and they run out and theyrun away, you cannot chase them
down the street, right?
So, with having a just cause,you are required to make sure
that once the threat is gone orover, right, if you put them

(47:21):
down, they can't shoot back atyou.
Well then, now you may have torender aid and keep them alive,
right, you may.
You know, hopefully, you knowhow to use a tourniquet or some
chest seals or something, right.
But then it has to be declaredjust by a recognized official
authority.
We've already done that, rightit, if you are in self-defense,

(47:42):
it is declared just by arecognized official, the highest
authority right, um, it canonly be waged with rightful
intention to ultimately preservecivil order and lasting peace.
So again, it has to be.
The threat is there, the threatis imminent and the only option

(48:02):
is either them or you, and youmake it them Okay, and then the
last one we'll get over.
And this is just kind of a throwin at the end.
This is what chapter is this?
So the USCCB, chapter seven?
This is just kind of a throw inat the end.
This is uh, what chapter isthis?
So the USCCB, chapter seven?
I have a little quote.

(48:24):
Um, so it's uh, I don't know ifyou have a page.
Does he not have pages onnumbers on here?
That'd have been amazing if hedid page numbers.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I have page numbers, but I don't think it'll match
what you have.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I don't think I'm going to manage what you have.
I don't.
So it's after the Trujillo case.
It goes after theproportionality of justice.
There's a quote there from theUSCCB yeah right, it should be
next page.
Okay, yeah right, there in themiddle, in the italics

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Self-defense against an unjustaggressor is morally permitted.
There is also a moral duty forthe defense of others by those
who are responsible for theirlives.
Self-defense or the defense ofothers as the goal of protecting
the person or personsthreatened.
Once the threat is eliminated,no further action is required in
such situations.
The deliberate killing of theaggressor can be permitted only

(49:12):
when no other solution ispossible, any response.
So I threw this one in becauseit contradicts a lot of other
things that the USCCB has stated.
Yeah, it does, and so just know, you have all your bases
covered.
Whether we use canons, whetherwe use councils, whether we use

(49:36):
the USCCB themselves, there isno reason for you to accept any
answer from anyone sayingotherwise.
You have all the informationyou need.
You just have to actaccordingly with it.
So, with that, what could havebeen done differently at
Annunciation Parish?
So you're're gonna have to.
I'm gonna have to lean on you alittle bit, on rob, because I

(49:58):
don't know what the laws arethere.
I know them pretty well, sookay, good.
So at a school, do schoolsthere have school resource
officers?
Public schools, yes, butprivate schools do not.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I I cannot say for certain.
I don't know if maybe some do,some don't, but I do know
multiple laws were attempted tobe passed to give private
schools the same funding forsecurity and protection that
public schools received, andthose laws were not passed by
the democrats here in minnesotayeah.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
So here in in in Alabama we have school resource
officers, but the schools haveto pay for it, Right, so they
will provide us someone.
We just have to pay for it,Right so we, you know, like when
my daughter was going to one ofthe local schools before we
homeschooled, they had a school.
He was there all day, Right,and so that provided a lot of

(50:54):
deterrent from anybody doinganything.
Now schools have been attackedeven though they have school
resource officers.
The Appalachian High School inGeorgia a couple of years ago
was attacked and you know thatwas I used to.
You know that was, you know,two miles away from where I
lived when I lived in Georgia,when I was a firefighter there,
and they had, I think, twoschool resource officers there.

(51:16):
It might have been three.
Anyway, it's a large schoolbecause it covers pretty much
the whole county.
They still had an attack there.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
What about the one in Florida?
Didn't the school resourceofficer?
Wasn't he outside of thebuilding and never went in?
The one in Florida that didn'tthe school resource officer?
Wasn't he outside of thebuilding and never went?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
in forget the one that made a what's his face?
Famous David hog.
Oh yeah, the one that he hewasn't actually there, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, I don't know.
I feel like there was somethingabout the school resource
officer in that case.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
But that's what happened in Annunciation Parish
right, he was just shooting fromthe outside in through the
windows.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, yeah.
So at Annunciation, yeah, itwas all.
The school kids were in thechapel, the parish church for
weekly mass, the chapel, theparish church for weekly mass,
and I believe the front doors ofthat parish are locked so he
couldn't get in the front and heknew that so he shot through,

(52:23):
shot through the glass, thestained glass, I believe, on the
side of the church, in hit themwhile they're in the pews.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah, and the only thing you can do in that
position is just get down, Likeget underneath the pews If
you're inside.
Yeah, you know, if you'reinside and someone starts
shooting in through the stainedglass to your parish, just get
down, get underneath the pews.
You know.
Hopefully there's enoughdeflection there that they can
stop the rounds.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Even if you're carrying in that situation like
like, by the time you figure outwhat's going on, you know,
assess the situation and startto to act, the shoot is probably
effectively done.
You know at that point?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
I would imagine so uh , here in alabama, if someone
has a parkland?
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's right,because he's scared to go in
like uval Right, and I rememberhim being sued and he ended up
being acquitted because he hadno duty to D2 to protect.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
What.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Supreme court case was that.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I forget it was it's in Rick's book.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
It's not Heller, is it?
No, it's not Heller, it's aweird one.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
It was on a subway in New York.
The cop just sat there.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
So, according to the Supreme Court, police are not
required to protect you.
They're only required toinvestigate afterwards.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
The whole protect and serve thing most people think
about when they think of copswas a slogan developed by a
marketing team, I think in the30s, for a sheriff's department.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
They do not have a duty to protect and serve, which
we saw in Uvalde Legal duty,legal duty yeah, they have moral
duties yeah.
They will not go to jail fornot protecting you is basically
what we're saying.
Yeah, and we saw that in Uvaldetoo, because even the sheriff
there eventually he just had toget fired right Because it was

(54:18):
just a PR nightmare for him, buthe's not doing any time for
telling them not to go in, can'teven bring a civil suit against
him.
No.
So just know when secondsmatter.
Police are minutes away, orright there and doing nothing,
or right there and not doinganything right, which is why
when it came to Uvalde I thinkBortek is eventually the guys

(54:38):
who went in Because it wasparents of children there that
decided to just go in becausethe cops weren't doing anything,
alright.
So in those instances,hopefully at your parish you
have some type of security teamright and they don't even have

(54:59):
to be caring.
If you just have somebody therethat looks imposing, is wearing
some type of uniform and makesit look like they're security,
that's usually a deterrent formost people.
Because your most common issueyou're going to have at your
parish is crazy people.
People just like you know theyhave a screw loose and they're
wanting to just come raise aruckus at your parish.

(55:19):
And you know we've had an issuehere at one of our parishes
where a guy came in the middleof mass, walked down the aisle,
sat in the front row and started, took out a permanent marker
and started writing 666 on hisforehead right.
Um, that's the most likelyissue you're going to deal with.
So if you even if you live inan area where you can't have a
firearm mass for whatever reason.

(55:41):
Maybe you're in australia, um,you know, then at least having
the presence of somebody wholooks like security can be a
deterrent for most situations.
Um, yeah, de-escalationtechniques are going to be the
most likely techniques you usewhen dealing with people at your
parish.
So if you can find any localclasses that police put on for

(56:05):
de-escalation or have a localpolice officer come teach your
security team some de-escalationtechniques, I highly recommend
it.
You're going to use that moreoften than anything.
But yeah, there it is.
I see winnebago because, likeit, I was like it's a weird name
.
You know, we've been looking atrvs all weekend, so uh, you'd

(56:28):
fit in with the winnebago,that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
You can hold 80s winnebago, man, that's, that's
definitely you man, I looked atan Airstream.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Those things are nice .
They are, they are and theylook good.
Aesthetics is pleasing, yes.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
You need to get yourself a nice nickel-plated
1911 for when you're camping inan Airstream.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, or get the nickel-plated Beretta right and
throw the Arlie Agualupi gripson it or something.
Or St Michael grips, maybe.
What was that movie, romeo andJuliet with Claire Danes and
Leonardo DiCaprio?
We got to bring that one back.
I'm going to start making somememes with that one.

(57:10):
So another aspect is controlledentrances.
Right, so, specifically at ourparish, um, you can't come in
the front doors after massivestarted, you have to come in the
side doors, controlled entrance.
And if you come in the sidedoor, I cause, I always suggest
to our guys you sit at the endof the pew at all times, right,
no matter what, um, and youcause, that way, you're, you're,

(57:32):
you're, you know, your line ofsight is going to be a little
bit better, um, and you're goingto have capability of
intercepting anything thathappens.
And so, in, specifically one ofour, our main security guy,
right, he, um, he'll go up andhe'll most often be up near
communion time, up near the rail.
And so I've suggested him hey,we're gonna, because we normally

(57:57):
have one other door open.
And I advise him, like, hey,we're gonna just cut it down to
one door when the communionhappens, because you're gonna be
in the front that way, I can,you know, because I'm always on
the side where the entrancecomes in the way.
If somebody comes in, I canintercept, or someone else is
right there, hopefully but, um,just controlling the entrances
as well.
Um, you know and these are justsuggestions right, you have to

(58:20):
find out what's best for yourparish.
If you're in a church in theround and you've got 30 doors,
right, that's rough, that you'regonna have a hard time.
Um, you're gonna need to put areally good plan together.
You're gonna need to find linesare terrible there.
Yeah, it's gonna be a real badday for you if something ends up
happening.
And not only that, but you'regoing to have to be fighting
against a priest or a parishcouncil who don't think anything

(58:42):
will ever happen and are notgoing to listen to your
suggestions.
So that's going to be a bad day.
But yeah, you started off onthe.
But, yeah, he's heard it off onthe.
Yeah, you're, you're okay.
I grew up in a pair that's inthe round, but we only had two
inches into the main door.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Our, our TLM, is done at a pair.
It's not a, it's not in theround per se, it's like a semi
circle.
Um yeah, it's not great for forsecurity.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
If you have anybody near you as well, that can do
what's called a threatvulnerability assessment.
So what I did in the Marines isthat we did these all the time.
Anytime we got to a newinstallation or something, we
would do a TVA, just to see whatthe issues are.
Where are the access points?
Where are the you know?

(59:33):
Are there vents that come infrom the outside?
So Mike could just throw like ayou know CS grenade or some
type of other irritant into thevents and now it's contaminating
everybody inside, like you,just knowing what could happen,
right?
So if you can do that for yourparish or somebody that can do
it, that'll give you a betteridea of like.
Where are we points Right?
Better idea of like where areweak points, right?

(59:56):
For example, um, at one parishthat I did, that I suggested, I
was like and and this is the theexcuse they used to end up
getting it installed was youneed an altar rail because that
is a barrier between someonegetting to the.
It gives you an extra couple ofseconds for someone to get over
that barrier to get to thepriest, right?
So you need to have an altarrail, uh, installed.
And six months later they'relike hey, this is a security
thing, we need an ultra rail,like just in case something

(01:00:19):
happens.
And they get, and everybody wason board all of a sudden for
that right once you get that andyou're like, really a rude
screen would be more protective.
Keep moving, the choir needs toget back up in the choir loft,
you know we can put somebody upthere with the, with a one by
six LVPO.
You know, you know, and again,these are just suggestions.

(01:00:42):
But if you know something or ifyou want me to send you like
kind of a guideline on how to doDBA, I'd be happy to do that.
There's all kinds of there's allkinds of guides and stuff that
you can find in manuals, and Ican direct you all to some of
those, but someone will know howto do it.
You've got someone, you've gota police officer that might be

(01:01:03):
able to do as well.
He's not gonna do as good as me, but he'll be able to do
something right, at least giveyou an idea.
Um, you know, just, these aresome things for people who
already have a security team.
But how do what if you don'thave one?
What do you do?
For now you just carry, yeah,right, and then you start needed
you need to start talking toother guys in your parish and

(01:01:25):
maybe even have like a a parish.
Hey, like some of the guys aregoing to the shooting range, who
wants to go?
And that kind of starts siftingout some people that you can
kind of like look to, like okay,this guy's on the level, at
least a little bit right, and soI can start talking to him and
seeing what, and then, when youtake him to the range, see how
he shoots.
Right, if he, if he never hitsyou know the a zone, you need to
discard him immediately heshows up with the single, uh,

(01:01:48):
single action revolver.
Yeah, maybe look for someoneelse, he plays a fiddle in his
off-pounds, completely disregardanything he says.
So finding like-minded people,right.
And you also want to stay awayfrom anybody that has anger
issues, because people that haveanger issues don't de-escalate,

(01:02:10):
because the last thing you wantto do is pull a firearm.
You want that to be theabsolute last thing you ever
have to do.
So you want somebody that hasthis pretty level headed, you
know.
So start start talking to theseguys, doing some things with
them.
You know, maybe, like, do amen's night or whatever, start
getting to understand where alot of these guys are at, and

(01:02:33):
then you can start building yourteam.
And then you, once you have ateam together and you all talked
about it, then you can approachthe priest, right, and be like
hey, some crazy stuff's beengoing on lately in the world.
We want to be just prepared andthen present him the solution
before he even knows he has aproblem.
Yeah, right, present like hey,I've already got like four guys,

(01:02:53):
you know, right now for atleast one mass, and this is how
we want to start doing things.
We want to start.
You know we're all going towear like a lapel pin so people
know who we are right.
Hopefully they're all wearingsuits, um, and you know, that
way people can recognize who weare.
And we've already got a layoutof the parish and we would like
to start controlling the accessonce mass starts, right, so

(01:03:15):
maybe closing off to one doorand maybe put it in the bulletin
so people understand this, forsafety reasons, right, and then
tell them as well, hey, and aswell, all of our guys are CPR
certified, right?
So if a medical event happens,we all know how to use some
other first aid and hopefullyyou all go through something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
That's one way you can really sell it to almost any
parish priest, any parishcouncil, Because I mean, every
priest up there has had to callthe ambulance during a Mass at
some point for a medicalemergency.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah, because you want to present yourself as
value-added, right, you don'twant to be like, hey, we're
going to do this and we're goingto be wearing, you know,
outside the waistband and we'reall going to be wearing 1911s,
and like we just want to be apresence so people know that not
to mess with us, like that'snot the way to go about it.
Even if you have a priest whois completely on board with a

(01:04:08):
bunch of guys carrying and beingthe security, they're not going
to listen to you because nowthey have to deal with the
parish council.
That's going to be down hisneck all day, every day, because
these scary guys are bringingguns to mass and they're scaring
the children, right.
So you have to present yourselfas value added that way to get
it across Right and for him tounderstand like this is a, this

(01:04:30):
is a good thing for the parish.
These guys no medical, theseguys are willing to deescalate,
and the guys that they have, ifthey are carrying, they've been
through some type ofcertification or qualification
or something, so they know whatto do.
Okay.
And so with enunciation,there's a lot of signals about

(01:04:58):
what was going on.
How many people I had access tothat guy's youtube and didn't
say anything, right, becausethey posted that the day before,
right, and so how many peopledidn't say anything?
How many people?
I just I love how we?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
you know, if I say certain words, we will have a a
little little thing.
No, camera, stop it.
No, I, I hate this cameraactually.
Wait.
Okay, hold on, let me see if Ican get it to zoom up.
Okay, there we go.

(01:05:30):
Um, if I say certain words,youtube's out.
Youtube's little auto sensorwill catch it and put something
under the video within an hour.
Oh, did you two not catch thosevideos?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
that's the thing they did right.
And no one said anything right,because all you have to say is
orange juice, right?
Um?
And all of a sudden know, like,you got the sensors coming up.
So that's the thing right.
Like they know exactly,especially with AI, they're
catching everything.
They know exactly what you meanand they know exactly what's

(01:06:08):
going on and they let it gothrough anyway.
That's the I mean.
So there's a guy on X Joe whoruns Tactical and he keeps what
is it?
The Bourne Ultimatum wherethey're basically going through

(01:06:31):
there's like a 30-secondmonologue talking about how they
basically do make a windup toyand set it off and let it go do
its thing Right, and that isbasically what's happening right
now.
You have organizations thathave conditioned people in a
certain way and then wind themup like a windup toy, put them
on the ground and point them ina direction and tell them all

(01:06:52):
right, go do this.
And that's what's happening uptoy, put them on the ground and
point them in a direction, tellthem all right, go do this.
And that's what's happeningright.
If you, if you'll notice a lotof these active shooters lately,
uh, they have access tofirearms.
They should have neverunderstood how to even get, or
the amount of money it costs toget it, um, you know, or or
maybe uh, access to get intoplaces they should never had

(01:07:13):
right, these are all.
A lot of these things are doneon purpose Anytime there's a
bill about to go through.
That is good.
Just wait for the activeshooter within a couple days
after that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Like, yeah, like what does Luigi?
Whatever his name was happeneda few months before the movie.
They try to get silencers offthe nfa right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
So these things are intentional, um, and just know
that right.
So, like, do not be afraid tocarry a firearm because you're
afraid that the government'sgoing to persecute you.
Right, that's the life of achristian be to accept
persecution.
It's going to happen.
That doesn't mean you don'thave to live up to your duties,

(01:07:59):
all right.
So we can go on and on aboutsecurity teams and we I probably
need to go into, like what Isuggest in the security team,
you know, cause I've set them upbefore.
My parish kind of already hadones established before I got
there, and I'm not trying tostep on any toes, so I'm not
trying to force myself onanything, um, but I just offer

(01:08:20):
suggestions and they listen, youknow, which is good, you know.
But you know, sometimes I mayhave a bad idea, I might go a
little too above and beyond onsome things and they're like,
hey, we can, you know whateverit is.
But, uh, some things have beenimplemented that have been.
You know, we have a uh, abasically a large ifac right

(01:08:41):
with that's plenty oftourniquets in.
We need more tourniquets in itright now.
I've told them that we I'llbomb, I'll throw them in there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
I mean press deals, we know how many do you have?
Because, like we saw with thislast shooting, which relatively
ended in a fairly low death toll, still had 18 kids injured.
That might mean 18 tourniquets,18.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
And even then, like A cat tourniquet will not do well
on a five-year-old.
No, their limbs are way toosmall.
There's going to be way toomuch slack.
So what do you do?
There are other things you cando.
I never suggest a tourniquetthat doesn't have a windlass on
it.
Right, there's a company outthere right now who creates one
that uses a lot of surgicaltubing and a metal class.

(01:09:23):
Basically, do not use that it.
Just, it hasn't been proven.
Use a tourniquet with awindlass.
But you know, if you're in aparish that houses, you know 200
people at a mass and youapproach that sometimes, you
need at least 10% in tourniquets, at least 20 tourniquets, just

(01:09:44):
in case, and I would suggestdouble that in chest seals.
Right, you know.
And then, as well as like, youneed gauze and you just need a
boo-boo kit.
Right, somebody kids thankfullydon't run around in their masks
anymore, but we have some kidswho do.
That's so nice.
If they fall down the stairs orthey scrape their knee or
whatever, you want something tobe able to patch them up a

(01:10:05):
little bit.
Kids love Band-Aids.
They think they're stickers.
Right, just having littlethings like that.
Right, you know, just havinglittle things like that.
But you know just, you want topresent yourself as something
that is in, is not going to be aburden on that priest, because
if you're one of the thing hehas to worry about, he's going
to say no.
And now you have to do thingsthat give us implausible denial

(01:10:35):
Right, which I've set up asecure team in the parish where
the priest was like yeah, Idon't want this here.
Okay just so you know you can'thave that here, you know, and
like, okay, we got it, you know,and so that that keeps him
without having to gives him alittle bit of plausible
deniability if hire comes up onand decides to ask him some hard
questions for, for either asecurity team or maybe for

(01:10:56):
someone who goes to a parish whodoesn't have a security team
but knows that their parish, orat least their priest, is cool
with them carrying.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Do you suggest they carry just whatever they would
normally conceal out and about,or do you suggest maybe a larger
, you-sized pistol?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
something of that nature.
I think the first rule is carrysomething you're good with
shooting.
Don't worry about the size ofit.
If you're good with a little43X or a Ruger LCR or whatever
and you can hit somethingreliably from at least 10 yards
and you can hit something withina 4-inch plate, carry it.
But rounds matter.
The more rounds you have, thebetter.

(01:11:34):
And you can hit something youknow within a four inch plate.
Carry it right, I don't.
But rounds matter.
The more rounds you have, thebetter right.
I always carry at least acompact right.
So my my uh 19, you know it'sgot a mag of 15 and I carry an
extra mag on my belt line.
That's another 20 roundsbecause I got a plus five
extender on another mag.
So I've got at least 35 roundson me.
But carry what you're good withshooting first, because it

(01:12:02):
doesn't matter how many roundsyou have, you can't hit nothing.
It doesn't matter.
You need to be practicing.
You need to be shooting atminimum 1,000 rounds a year at
minimum and you need to be doingreally good technique.
You need to go out and findtraining um by reputable
trainers.
Uh, stay away from most anybodyfrom the NRA Um, because

(01:12:25):
anybody can become an NRAtrainer.
You literally just sign uponline and like they certify you
on a website.
Like there's, uh, and they mayhave changed a little bit, but
now.
But like there's, uh, and theymay have changed a little bit,
but now.
But like there's a local womanhere who does nri training and
she the only thing she'sshooting is the dinner for that
night, because that woman isshe's not gonna be running after

(01:12:47):
anybody.
But uh, take reputable trainingand from good people in in,
especially if you can find a guywho who implements first aid
with it, like throwing on atourniquet and shooting Right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
So, like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
one thing I used to teach guys all the time was how
to shoot with the offhand Right,Cause you might get shot in
your, in your main hand, youknow.
So learning how to shoot andreload with your offhand.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
I usually did that.
Yeah, learning how to shoot andreload with your offhand.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
I would duct tape a tennis ball in their hand.
And then all of a sudden youstart seeing guys they don't
carry the three o'clock anymore,they carry an appendix because
they can't reach the threeo'clock anymore with their left
hand.
So they start carrying appendixa lot more often.
So carry what you're good withshooting, I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Any consideration for having one person maybe, or
maybe having available somewherea long gun.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
So the thing you worry about with a long gun is
penetration?
Yeah Right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
And if you're an older?

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
yeah, and yeah, I mean I could you want, you can,
right, just be aware of whatyour target is and what lies
beyond it.
Um, because if you're in anewer parish, that's mostly
drywall that's probably going topunch through the whole parish
before it is done.
Right, yeah, true.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Older parish maybe not so much.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Older parish is like a lot of marble and stuff, like
yeah, you probably don't have toworry about penetration.
But I mean, I wouldn't Justrealize, even with the
Annunciation Parachute you'reoutgunned if you're just
carrying a pistol.
That guy was bringing shotgunsand an AR.

(01:14:39):
You're outgunned.
Now he probably can't shootworth crap, but he's going to be
shooting through things thatyour rounds won't be able to
shoot through.
Just keep that in mind.
It's not a bad idea.
But where are you gonna have it?
Right?
Are you gonna have in thebackpack?
Right, is gonna be a pcc in abackpack.

(01:15:00):
You know, for those that don'tknow what a pcc is a pistol,
carbine, carbine.
Basically it's like a ninemillimeter ar right type of
platform.
Right, was it a flux raider?
yeah it's what I can't hear.
So it gives you a little bitmore, uh, aim right, a little
bit more accuracy.

(01:15:21):
Yeah, with it, uh, you can do apcc as well.
That's an ar platform, um, orlike an, like an mp5 style,
right, or mp7, um.
It just like where are yougoing to put it right?
Is your kid, he's your wifegoing to carry it in the in her
purse, like you know?
Because that's because theoptics matter too, if someone
sees you walking in with thatand they don't know who you are

(01:15:42):
yeah, right, that's a problemyou're going to have, you're
going to have.
But somebody says you, just, youknow, carrying outside the
waistband, you're much lesslikely to occur any resistance
there.
Um, but I'm not against it,just you.
I mean, you need to be in agood parish for that and they
have to know who you are besidesextra ammo, what is the biggest

(01:16:04):
reason to carry a spare bag?

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
because some you know a lot of people they think they
don't need the extra ammo andthey think that's why they
shouldn't.
And I, I, you know, I, I agree.
Depending what you're wearingit, it might be hard to have an
extra.
They think they don't need theextra ammo and they think that's
why they shouldn't.
And I, I, you know, I, I agree,depending on what you're
wearing, it might be hard tohave an extra.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
So the the average, according to FBI statistics, the
average firefight is about 24rounds.
Okay, so you don't have that inyour little 43 X Right and most
people, once you start to getthe adrenaline going, you're not
going to be hitting where youthink you're hitting Right.
So the more ammo you have, thebetter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
If it is uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Yeah, If it is uncomfortable for you to carry,
get over it.
You know it's.
I have an.
Let me see if I have it on menow.
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Let me take this off real quick and I'll show you
while he's doing that.
Another I mean besides extraammo, yeah, most malfunctions
can be resolved quickly bydropping the mag yep put it,
slapping a new one in rackingthe slide.
So having an extra mag to helpwith any potential malfunctions
from a mag is important.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
So this is just a piece of elastic.
My belt goes in it Right and mymag will go in this Right.
So I have these I carry, Ialways have.
This is where I carry my extramags when I'm at mass throughout
the day.
I carry a Neo mag as well.
A Neo mag is just a clip whereit'll deep conceal on a pocket,
but this will be parallel withyour belt, so it's not sticking

(01:17:37):
up, perpendicular, so you're nothitting it.
So if you have a black belt onand you've got this on and
you've got a black magazine init, no one's going to see it.
They're at least not going tonotice it.
If they look hard at you theymight see it.
But this makes it supercomfortable to wear and this is
like three dollars.
You can get bicycle tubing anddo the same thing, right, um?

(01:17:59):
And so it makes it super easyto carry an extra mag and I
carry a 20 round in here, youknow the 15 plus 5, with a mag
extender on this, with noproblem at all.
So there's no reason not tocarry an extra mag.
What if somebody you'reshooting with right, say, he's
shooting another guy and theother guy runs out of ammo and

(01:18:20):
he's the only guy that's got agood beat on the guy and you can
get him another mag and you'reboth carrying Glocks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
I was going to ask do you for security teams?
I mean, all shooting 9mmdoesn't do much for you, unless
you all can share mag.
So do you suggest?
Do you know?
Because everyone getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
It would be nice.
But, like you, you got too manyindividualistic people out
there.
A lot of people do they don'tlike glocks because it's just
cool not to like glocks, or theylike glocks and they don't like
anything else, right?
Um, I'm not one of those guys.
Um, I like, I like Glocks.
Or they like Glocks and theydon't like anything else Right,
I'm not one of those guys.
I like.
I like Glocks because I knowwhen I pull the trigger it's
going to go off.
Right?
I like Glocks because I don'thave to worry about the raw
ability on it, like an extractormissing a spring.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
I don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
He says I have a Glock that has an extractor
missing a spring.
I can tell you the the amountof classes I've been in, the
firearm that has the leastamount of issues has always been
a glock.
Yeah, uh, springfield xdms havea lot of issues I had an xds.
I hated the 19 let anything thathas a grip safety you're going
to have issues in because, forexample, say, you're in a car
and you're carrying and someoneapproaches your door and you
want, and you have your gun andright, you're having to grip it
in an unorthodox manner forthose who grip safety back here.

(01:19:37):
This here right so that if youhave a grip safety back here and
you don't, you're not able toget a good, really good purchase
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Right it may, you may not be able to fire that weapon
also on a 1911 or a lot of gunswith external safeties, you you
ideally you swipe the safetyoff.
But if you're not holding downon that safety while you're
firing, the recoil can cause youto flip that unknowingly, flip
it back up, and then you thinkyou have a malfunction and you

(01:20:06):
don't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
So XDMs have a lot of issues?
What else?
What is that Tauruses have alot of issues?
What else?
What is that Tauruses have alot of issues, right?
So if you want just a goodfirearm that you know is
reliable out of the box, don'tdo anything to it.
Like, I don't like this Glockhas a stock trigger in it, right
?
I used to switch all mytriggers out and put different

(01:20:30):
triggers in them.
I don't do that anymore.
One, because it makes it lessreliable, right, um, and two, I
don't shoot well enough to needa new trigger, and majority I
would say 95% of people thatshoot don't shoot well enough to
need a new trigger.
It's just a matter of peoplejust want something that's you

(01:20:51):
know that's going to make them abetter shooter, and it's just a
matter of people just wantsomething that's you know that's
going to make them a bettershooter, and it's just really
not.
Um, you need to get used to astock trigger, especially on a
glock, and I know a lot of guysthat's going to raise a lot of
uh issues.
There's going to be a lot ofpeople, you know, making
comments about that, but you youwill.
Most of you are not.
Obviously you're not shootingenough rounds to even worry
about getting a new trigger.
Don't even bother, um, becauseonce you start changing parts on

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it, it starts causing issues,um, even with like uh was a
trigger tech with their acetrigger just came out and they
just had to do an apology videoand basically offer a full
refund for anybody got thetrigger, because they're trying
to put a race gun trigger into aduty carry pistol and it was
having issues like just don'teven, you, just get used to a

(01:21:33):
stock trigger.
That's all you need If you wantto.
You know like this came.
You know painted like this,like you can.
If you want to make it lookpretty, go for it, I don't care,
you know.
Just don't change the internals.
There's no reason to.

(01:21:54):
I don't do an extended uh sliderelease anymore either because,
uh, you can dump a mag, or, yeah, and I have right on an extent,
I have one on an old gen 3glock 17 and I've dumped the mag
, you know, halfway in themiddle of a drill because I
accidentally hit it, right, uh.
Or my extended mag release, butmy slide release, if it's
extended, sometimes Iaccidentally hit it and when
it's cycling back right, itsticks right and it locks back.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Out of curiosity.
Just like I said for curiosity,when you do a reload, do you do
the slide release or do yourack it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
I do slide release.
I've done both.
I've heard all the argumentslike, well, your fine motor
skills are going to go away.
You need to go over the top.
Like, pulling a trigger is afine motor skill, right?
So just whatever you do,practice, let that be how you do
it, true?

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
um, so jason asked if you tried.
Uh, it's a hard.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
In America we just say Canik.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
But I have two personally, but I haven't shot
any yet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I looked at getting the TTI Canik and they were
having some issues with thefiring pin in them and I wanted
to wait a little while and get anewer generation of it.
When it comes out before I buyone, but I mean it striker five
pistols are pretty much all thesame generation of it.
When it comes out before I buyone.
Striker 5 pistols are prettymuch all the same at this point.

(01:23:17):
Springfield Echelon is good.
It's pronounced Echelon, notEchelon.
Springfield Echelon is good.
Glocks are good.
If you're going to buy a Sig,buy the 365.
There haven't been any issueswith that.
I don't like Sig anymorebecause they try to basically
catfish all of us at this point.
Um gaslight.
It's not catfish no, they'recatfishing people with that 320

(01:23:38):
telling everybody it's a, it's acarry duty pistol, it's not
okay, okay okay, I see what youmean, I see what you mean.
Um, let's see who else is good.
You know, these are just theechelon and the hell cat the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Um, hell cat's great.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
They're both hs products right from croatia yeah
, hellcat gives you a whole lotof carry capability for a
smaller pistol.
So if you're worried aboutprinting the hellcat's great um.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
So yeah, back to back to the conics I have.
I had a tp, tp9, sf elite fromlike 10 ago.
I've put a bunch of roundsthrough it and I don't think
I've had a single failure at allon it.
They have good triggers because, as far as I know that both the
design and the tooling it's allmade on is Walther, because

(01:24:27):
they got German Walther toolingfrom Turkey, did like 100 years
ago basically, um, the theturkish arms industry was
basically, uh, created andsupported by germany.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
So so some third reich machining, you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I love it sure um, so yeah, so yeah, everything I've
heard about Connex is has been.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Their triggers are amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Yeah, it's a wall to trigger, basically.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah, so the Smith and Wesson MMP 2.0 is great.
Right, I heard a lot of greatthings about that.
You know I haven't shot one.
That's my next purchase, youknow.
Eventually it will be the MMP2.0 metal carry the.
Well, it's cause it's got thecompensator in it.
Compensators are okay.
You have to worry about thefireball effect at night, but

(01:25:20):
apparently she's pretty flat.
What else is good?
Just?

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
You need to find something that fits her.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yeah, hk VP9s are great.
Cz can't go wrong.
Cz, you know P10Cs.
P10c will fit in any holsterthat a Glock fits in the
equivalent right.
So a Glock 19 holster will holda CZ P10C.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
So we were going to we've mentioned it a little.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Don't buy a 320.
In fact, I've got a guy who hehas a 320.
He's trying to offload on me.
He's a local police officer andhe's basically trying to get
retail on me.
And I was like, brother, I'mnot buying that for any more
than a hundred bucks, cause I'mgoing to have to spend a few
hundred dollars to get thatlooked at to make sure that it's

(01:26:13):
okay, and there's no way I'mpaying retail, because there's
not only that.
You can't trust what hashappened, right, because they've
known about it since 2014 orwhatever.
There was a guy who has apatent on the fix and they
bought the patent back in 2014.
So they've known about the fixfor a long time.

(01:26:34):
They just never done anythingabout it.
And the reason they got the thecontract with the military
apparently is because they cameway under a glock, 100 million
dollars under, because they wereselling each unit for 190
dollars and there's only one wayyou can do it that cheaply.
Yeah, you're, you're, and that'swhy everything's made in india.
Yep, right, that's why you'rehaving issues, because there's

(01:26:55):
no quality control whatsoever.
So, um, if you have a 320, thatthing needs to be a safe queen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
You need to do not be , do not carry it yeah, I'm not
gonna say don't buy one becausethey're cheap, but don't buy one
to use like, yeah, buy becauseit's going to be a a
historically bad screw up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
If you feel like you want an M 17 or an M 18, which
has the external safety on it,like they've still had issues
with those, yeah, so it's just.
You just can't trust it.
But now three 65, I've neverheard a single issue and
everybody loves a three 65.
I have two of them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
I have one of the originals.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
The old 226s are great.
Yeah, 229s, 220s.
Yeah so just stay away from the320s.
If you absolutely have to havea SIG for whatever reason, stay
away from the 320s.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Do we have anything else we want to talk about
before just doing questions?

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
No, we can do questions.
If something pops up, we can goon a tangent, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
So I have some.
Let's see here.
So what about carrying at work?

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I endorse it Next question.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah, yeah, unless it's illegal for you to carry at
work, like, say, you're ateacher in a state, that where
you can't carry.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah, you know then, then don't probably right but
again be willing to accept theconsequences one way or the
other if you're at work and youdecide not to carry, be willing
to accept that you're gonna die,but if you want to be able to
protect yourself and otherpeople, be willing to accept
jail time.
I just that's really what itcomes down to.

(01:28:34):
But carrying work like, yes,you know, if your job has an
issue with it and they fire youfor that, know that right.
Like, are you willing to getfired for this?
Is your life worth being firedfor, right?
Um, if it's not, then you knowI can't help you there.
But, um, otherwise, you just bewilling to accept the
consequences what can be doneabout the lottenberg amendment?

(01:28:58):
it keeps tens of millions ofamericans from owning because of
a misdemeanor I am of theopinion that if you and this is
going a little bit further butif you have served your time,
you should get your rights back.
Right If you, as long as youdidn't have a violent felony.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Right and you should be able to get your rights back.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Yeah, because it, it, it is, um, it is a God given
right to self-defense.
Now there can be arguments made, um, where?
Maybe the common good, you know, in defense of the common good,
as we talked about earlier,like you said, maybe violent
felons to defend the common good, they don't get that right.
Or maybe there's other, youknow, I could see someone who is

(01:29:47):
legitimately very mentally illand is a danger, yeah, to defend
the common good, maybe theydon't get that right for that
period.
Yeah, but yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Sexual assault, domestic violence, murders,
assault and batteries.
Like you know, you should neverget that right back, right,
right, but you can't be trustedwith it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Right Is why.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah, and now we'll.
Now will.
There will be extenuatingcircumstances on that, because a
lot of people are charged withcrimes that doesn't look like
what they end up getting chargedwith, right, that's true.
So down stuff like there has tobe some some leeway for some

(01:30:28):
exceptions, but most times,right, you know no, but again,
if you serve your time, youshould get your rice back um, so
there's a few questions in herekind of along the same vein
here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
So we have questions about carrying a knife as well
about you should carry a pocketknife anyway.
Like, yeah, like my kids alwaysneed something, cut right, you
should have a pocket knife um,yeah, I, I generally don't carry
like a specific self-defensetactical knife because, no, uh,
because if I'm at that like Iwould only ever use that as a

(01:31:07):
last resort if my gun goes downor something like that uh, but
generally, if you're at thatstage, yeah, it's rough I used
to carry a uh shiv fromshivworks, um, and like a little
, is that like a punch knifekind of?

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
you know it's, it fits underneath the belt, it's
basically, you know it's mine'stwo side.
You know it's two, two edge.
You know double edge, whateveryou want to call it.
It's late on monday but, um,but I don't, because I just
carry a pocket knife now, andthe reason for that is if you
get a knife fight, you'regetting stabbed, um, there's
gonna be blood everywhere.
And then if you, if you're in aknife fight and you're trying

(01:31:44):
to, you know you got blood allover your hands and you're
trying to get a goodpresentation on your weapon,
it's gonna be very hard.
If you want to carry a knife,go for it, but the best way to
win a knife fight is not beingin a knife fight.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
So if you're going to carry a knife, carry one.
That's just most useful.
You know how do you go aboutfinding if your parish already
has a secure team.
Talk to the priest.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
I would imagine, yeah , hopefully somebody's liaising
with the, the police there atyour parish.
If you have a police officerthere, somebody's on the inside
at least, um, you know talkingto them, either through some
type of app on the phone, ormaybe they got like an ear mic
or something, um, or just youknow, find the guy that looks
like everybody talks to him, andif he's carrying, ask you like,

(01:32:31):
hey, do we have a security teamhere who's involved?
And if you want to get involved, you know ask.
I would not approach the priest, though, because he may be in a
, you know, forgiveness ratherthan permission mode and he may
not want to know anything aboutit.
So, but I would just find thatcircle of influence with

(01:32:52):
somebody who you know is caringand ask them um, just to see
what else we got here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Um, uh, what about that?
So what about packing biggerweapons in the vehicles in the
parking lot during mass?

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I don't like leaving firearms in the vehicles, which
is a big conversation that washad on X.
You know like, hey, if yoursecurity team they carry and
maybe you have that you knowpeople not carry in mass, they
leave in the cars.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
You're just asking for your car to be broken in and
somebody stealing your firearmright um, especially because a
lot of bad or a lot of tradparishes are in bad
neighborhoods.
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Mine is in the worst neighborhood in the whole state.
So, um, no, I don't recommendleaving firearms and vehicles at
all because of that.
Um, especially if you, if yourparish, is in a very ethnic area
and y'all a bunch of white folkgoing in there, they know y'all
are carrying, because whitepeople are the only people that

(01:33:59):
really carry legally, except forin Alabama.
Everybody can carry legally.
But no, I don't recommend itwhatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
I could see maybe if you had someone on Overwatch or
something in a parking lot maybe, but that's an entirely
different situation.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Or somebody can be outside the whole time.
Maybe he's keeping an eye onthe parking lot, or maybe your
parking lot has controlledaccess.
You have to come through a gateto get into the parking lot.
Then maybe I'm not going to saya blanket no, no but, I, don't
like it right, because I've seenfirearms get stolen.
When I worked at the firedepartment in Georgia we had
guys they knew firefighterscarried right and so they were

(01:34:42):
breaking into our trucks when wewent out on calls and steal our
firearms.
We had a rash of that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Someone's asking what is racking the slide.
Uh yeah, just working the slideyeah, so yeah, if you so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
If you're, if your firearm runs empty, right it'll,
it'll lock back.
Hopefully you have a magazinethat does that, um, so a lot of
guys will teach over the top,right, so you grab over the top
and and run it back.
That way, you use the tensionon the string, the spring, to go
forward for you, right, um,otherwise, you have this, it's

(01:35:19):
called the slide release, andthis will just let it go forward
for you, right, work, whateveryou train, however you like, use
one of them and use that oneonly all the time, don't go back
and forth yeah, because,because I tend to shoot a lot of
different guns with differentslide releases, I've just,

(01:35:39):
personally, I rack the slide.
That's fine.
If that's how you train, thendo it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
So a lot of people only have their state only
allows 10 round capacities, sodo they carry three mags?

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
at that point.
If you can fit three mags onyou comfortably, do it.
If you've got suspenders thatalso turn into bandoliers, go
for it.
If anybody needs a goodbusiness idea, that would be
amazing.
Carry what you're covering.

(01:36:14):
At least carry one extra mag,because what if your mag goes
bad?
Yep, for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
At least have a second on you, yep.
What calibers do we recommend?

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
I like 9mm Ballistics .
There's very little differencebetween that and .45.
10mm has too much kick and sodoes .40.
It has too much kick forfollow-on shots.
9mm you get plus P duty carryammo, whether it's HST ammo or I
like carrying G9, which is anexternal hollow point.

(01:36:52):
It's got really good ballistics.
You can't go back.
You know a spear gold dot,whatever it is.
But the reason I choose G9, one, you can carry more rounds.
Two, it is cheap and three, theballistics on it and follow-on
shot is much easier to acquirewith a 9 than any of the larger
calibers.
I would not carry anything lessthan a 9 than any of the larger

(01:37:14):
calibers.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
I would not carry anything less than a 9.
.380 is right, I mean.
Even then, you might as wellcarry a 9.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
The reason you go .380 is because you want a
smaller handgun.
You can get a smaller handgunand 9 with much more capacity
than any .380 is really maderight now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
That's true.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, for pistol calibersoutside of 44 mag and up,
ballistically basically all dothe same, which I mean with the
pistol caliber, you're going tohave to get them, you know, in

(01:37:52):
the CNS, to to get a quick stop,otherwise they're bleeding out.
Yeah, so, whether it's nine, 45, 40, 10, uh, three, 57, you
know, whatever, it's allbasically going to be the same.
So it might, as you might aswell, just get nine because,
like, like Adrian said, it'scheap, widely available.
Um, like, as far as ballistictechnology, nine has has

(01:38:19):
everything out there.
You know, all the, all theadvancements in ballistic
technology is going to happenwith nine millimeter first,
basically, um, you know, likethe external hollow point, like
g9, or like the hornady'scritical duty and stuff like
that, I would just go 9.
Yeah, but if you already have agun in 40 or you had an air

(01:38:41):
room in 45 or something likethat, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
If you go to bear country a lot, carry a 10.
Yeah, you're going to shootthat bear with a 9mm and it's
just going to laugh at you andthen it's going to eat you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
It all depends on the circumstances.
We're talking about concealedcarry Be flexible.
Most of life.
9mm, this one I don't know.
What kind of gun control inMinnesota will the Dems try to
pass?
How do we stop them?
I live in Minnesota.
For anyone who doesn't knowwhat kind of gun control in
minnesota will the dems try topass um, and how do we stop them
there?
I mean, so I live in minnesota.
For anyone who doesn't know,and for as liberal as this state

(01:39:21):
is, we actually don't have toomany bad gun laws right now.
Like we don't have magrestrictions, we don't have, you
know, silly ar restrictions asfar as having pistol grips and
stuff like that.
We don't have constitutionalcarry, which does suck, but it's
easy to get a concealed carrypermit here in Minnesota.

(01:39:41):
So I don't know what they'regoing to try to pass.
I'm sure some sort of AR ban.
They've tried that a few timesin recent years.
That would be my big guess.
Is AR band, maybe magrestrictions?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Yeah, so this is a training issue.
Very true, right.
This is, yes, this can happen,but you can out-train this,
right?
So, as long as you're gettingused to pulling that thing all
the way back and then letting go, if you try and ride it forward
, yeah, you're gonna have thatissue, right?

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
and that's what that's, which a lot of new, new
people do yeah you just gottaout train it yeah, you're not
gonna break your gun by reallypulling the hard back on that
thing your gun is a tool.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Right, use it as a tool, you know, if you're
worried about it getting scuffedup and damaged, and so, like
you're not, you're not treatingthat tool appropriately no, um.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
What am I getting at a?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
gym, have you?
Have y'all not, do y'all notwatch world star right, like
well, I mean, it's 2025, so notso watch world star right Like
well, I mean, it's 2025.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
So not so much world star anymore, man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
That is just the genre now.
Right, Like all these videosthat come out, it was like
there's a guy got tasered in thenuts at a gym because he's
trying to fight a cop.
Right Like it.
The people are crazy.
Man, Carry everywhere,Especially if you've got
headphones in, like I do when Igo to the gym, and thankfully
they have mirrors on all thewalls because there's so much

(01:41:17):
vanity there, but in that way Ican keep an eye on what's going
around all the time.
But, yeah, carry all the time.
Let's see.
I mean people, even fanny packshave made a comeback.
Carrying a fanny pack yeah, theonly.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
On one hand, you know like instinctively I'm like oh,
off body carries a bad thing.
But I mean it is connected toyou via, basically, a belt,
which is the same as but you cantrain and get it and still get
within a two second draw yeah,like you just gotta train with
it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
If you can't across the chest right, like you just
got a zipper, like I've got a uheberly stock right and it is,
you've got a really good zipperon it you pull it and then it's
exposed and you can draw andpresent right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Um, you just gotta train with it I do have one of
those eberly bags for uh, forthe flux.
I don't can't carry anymore.
Yeah, uh, any other?
Any other questions?

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
is that all yes, but the the roland special always
also had like an inch-longcompensator on it that threw a
fireball like six feet in theair.
We have better technology nowand the Roland Special has
outlived its use.
Both of these comments.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Everyone in the chat.
Remember to pray for Kennedy,Kennedy Hall, his wife and the
baby.
I have not seen the update, butI heard some things before that
.
Uh, yeah it's not looking good.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
They're gonna need a real miracle there you know,
father mcgivney, y'all may bepraying for unborn children.
Ask for his intercession.
He's had a lot of success there.
Uh, carrying the tomahawk.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to dealwith the tomahawk either yeah no
it's just not worth it, man youknow, like last of the mohicans

(01:43:20):
on somebody in the middle ofthe church.
Let's see what else.
And if any backs from thesecret service.
Yes, fanny bags, fanny backsare everywhere.
Um, use them, they're.
They're common now, so youdon't have to look weird
carrying a fanny pack yeah, sowell, chances are.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
If you see a guy carrying a fanny pack and he's
not asian, they're probably he'seither gay or caring very true,
it's more than like a little ofthis.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
I remember I used to have a one of the marine corps
schools I went to.
I had a uh instructor who, likeback and this was in 2008 who
uh carried it in a fanny pack.
He carried a browning high powerand he's like he'd always he'd
always threaten people like ifyou know, I got that fanny pack
on me, I'm gonna go all.
It takes me three seconds toget that high power up.

(01:44:13):
Put it in your face.
I'm like brother, you got afupa.
There's no way you're gettingthat thing in time before I take
you down, just going throughthe comments to see if we missed
anything.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Do you have any other questions?
If you have a bishop thatdoesn't like you, that's a
Columbus having swords.
I'm sorry, you're screwed.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
I might.
I might get into something Imight get on my pedestal here.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
We got a layout for that, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
So every single one of you, every single man here
who is not a night at Columbus,you need to join a nice Columbus
.
They are rife to be taken overfrom the inside right, and I've
had this conversation with someother guys um, these councils
are, um, have the infrastructurealready in place.

(01:45:06):
Uh, you will not be able tocreate anything better than what
they already have.
Um, not in the time that wehave.
Anyway, they are led by men whoare tired of doing it and they
will be glad for someone else totake the reins.
All it takes for every.
You need four guys.
You need a grand night, adeputy grand night, a financial

(01:45:27):
secretary and a treasurer andyou can take over that council
and have it do whatever you want.
If you have a council whereyou're like, hey, all they do is
meet sales and tootsie rolldrives or whatever, change it
Fish dinners, you just need fourguys and you can change that
council into whatever you want.
If you want a council that isthe security team, you just need

(01:45:48):
one year.
Come in in June, get voted in.
You just need one year.
Come in in June, get voted in,take over those positions.
They'll be glad to give themover to you and then bring in a
bunch of other guys as well thatyou know.
You can take over any, I don'tcare where you're at, take them
over, right?
They have an infrastructurethere and money to do whatever
you want.
All it takes is a bunch of guys.
You know, in a city you needfour guys per council.

(01:46:12):
You just need to do three orfour councils.
Especially, some of these tradparishes are trad adjacent,
right?
Um, it would not take long tochange the culture whatsoever,
right?
And so absolutely everyoneshould be joining the knights to
take it over and to supportthat.
Because there is.
It is the most traditionalapostolate out there.

(01:46:36):
That's as big as it is that youthat it's just.
It's already got everything inplace, right?
They're the most pro-lifeorganizations you're going to
have anywhere in any parish.
They do more.
The knights of columbus providemore ultrasound machines than
most hospitals.
Okay, they've already got thegoodwill of 100.

(01:46:59):
We're almost 150 years now ofserving in the church.
If you don't like your counsel,change it.
It only takes four of you,right?
I know some of y'all areeternally online.
You don't even have fourfriends.
But, like, go out and make some, right, find some guys that
y'all want to change how yourcouncil works, and that's all
you need is four guys and thatis it, and you can bring in

(01:47:22):
everybody you want, right, andthen you can change how the
culture of that councileverywhere you're at.
There is a Latin mass nightswebsite, right.
There's already a bunch ofcouncils that have been taken
over by guys, right.
Robert Morgan on X right, hiscouncil is phenomenal and
they're at a.
I believe in that.
I see KSP parish, right.

(01:47:44):
I think I might be wrong onthat, but I know it's at least a
lot of mass parish, but theyhave a phenomenal parish there
and they're the ones that reallyhad headed up that, headed up
the St Louis preservation inMissouri, right, especially of
the statue, and they've creatednow a whole few-day event now
because of it, and that reallycame from a lot of the knights

(01:48:05):
there putting in that work.
Right, it can be doneeverywhere, right, you can make
it to whatever you want it to be.
You just got to do it All,right.
I'm off my pedestal, I justhate you.
My counselor is a bunch of oldguys and look man, these guys
didn't have kids and if they didhave kids, their kids don't

(01:48:25):
like them, that's true, and theywould love for a young Catholic
man to come in there and wantto work with them and then take
over.
That's all they want.
They just want to give it over.
They're done doing it.
These guys have been doing meatsmokes for like 35 years.
They're wore out.
Right, they'll kill over realfast Once you just go and give
them a little resistance.
Right They'll be.
I'm done, right.

(01:48:47):
There is no reason for anybodyto complain about their Knights
council because it only takesfour of you to change it.
That's not a lot of people,right?
The revolutionary war wasfought with 3% of people, right?
You don't even need that in aparish.
You need like one 10th of apercent.
You just need four guys.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
That's the word of the night.
I don't know.
I don't know what word you'retalking about.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Knights of Columbus is Jew-occupied.
I'd love to hear how theKnights of Columbus are
Jew-occupied.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
I think maybe they just mean they're a bunch of
boomer dispensationalists.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Do you think the boomers are going to live
forever?
They do.
They've got maybe 10 years atmost.
Maybe they are ineffective now.
They do, they do.
They've got maybe 10 years atmost.
Maybe they are ineffective now.
It is not hard to get them outof any positions of power in any
parish.
You just have to do it.
The problem is we have a bunchof guys that have no backbone.
They want everybody to dosomething for them.

(01:49:46):
Nobody wants to start anything,nobody wants to commit to
anything.
That's the issue.
It's true, understand thehistory of the Knights of
Columbus.
There is documented history ofrunning guns to the Casteros in
the Mexican Civil War.

(01:50:06):
There is documented history ofturf war against the KKK right.
The Knights of Columbus is notalways been the effeminate
organization that it's.
It's kind of presented in mostplaces now.
That's because effeminate mengot into positions of power and

(01:50:30):
they pushed out other men, othermen that just didn't feel like
they didn't want to fightanymore.
Right, well, it's time to getup off the couch and do
something about it all.
Right, who else?

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
do I want to go after ?
How do we run?
Never mind, I shouldn't askthat on here.
How do we not?

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
oh no, I shouldn't if your inner sensor kicked in,
it's probably it's if yoursensor's kicking in.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
I read, I read this, and I was going to ask a
question that would have beendeemed very bad if there was a
legal way to do it to thebritain, it would be done that's
what I was going to ask how do?

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
we get them well the problem with britain is there's
a lot of ocean between us andthere right.
So what we're going to have todo is we have to go through
northern africa right and comeacross the the straight there
and then, but gibraltar we'regonna have to cross gibraltar.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
There's ways to do it .
There's ways to do it, or?
Or if trump just got usgreenland, that would get us a
little closer.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Yeah, we'd be a little closer we've got all
kinds of firearms in easterneurope already.
We can just shuffle man.
They don't even have to comefrom us.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
That's true.
That's true.
We just got to get them fromUkraine back over to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
That's what I'm talking about.
Because men have absconded fromtheir responsibility.
You got this one guy up therehaving to fight against you know
, 63 boss, ladies, right, andhe's probably all, and he's
gonna be wore out because no oneelse is ready to step up there
with him I feel so badeverybody's a fud.

(01:52:05):
If you think they're a fud like, the fuds are in everything man
like.
Did you not read the the?
Did you see how many?

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
comments.
I got about that, about my gunhaving too much stuff on it.
I'm like.
I'm like, come on guys, it'slike it's.
It's a weapon light and a reddot.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
It's pretty, it's like yeah, it's like, uh, it's
like the irony poisoning we'vediscussed before.
Right, it's like it.
Just, people just label FUD sothey, so they can disregard it.
Right it's.
You know, it's same thing withirony poisoning, Like a lot of
the the.
I'm going to bring it now.
But a lot of the groipers do,right, they do a lot of cause.
You don't.
You don't really know whattheir opinion is, because all

(01:52:45):
they can say is well, it was ajoke.
What's wrong with you?
I was joking.
Let your yes mean yes and yourno mean no.
If I don't know what youropinion is and I can't hold you
to it, what good are you?
You have no truth about you.
It is a fascist.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
Really, the fascists just have a Roman symbol in
their logos.
That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Let's see what else we got here.
They did win two World Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Yeah well, I don't have my bread out.
Say two Gulf Wars baby.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
There's nothing secret about the Knights.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
Yeah, you don't take an oath to keep things secret.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
There's no secrecy to the Knights, so there's no
issue there I forget.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
So I suppose I'm still registered, so I am a
Knight.
I suppose I haven't gone to ameeting in forever, it's more
just because we don't go to ourlocal parish.
So anyways, I forget what theyeven whispered in my ear during
the first degree ceremony theydon't even do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
I know they don't, which sucks, because the old
rites were fun, we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
I was thrown.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
the old rites, I mean , I didn't do the ride and the
goat they did in the 60s, butthere was nothing secret about
it, like you could tell peoplewhat happened.
Yeah, it's not like with theFreemasons, where they're like
they threaten your family, youknow.
Um, so, yeah, when so anybodythat doesn't like a red dot on a

(01:54:29):
gun.
I know that's not what's beingsaid here, but when you get
older and you lose your sight,you're going to love that red
dot.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
You'd think the FUDs would love them right you would
think right Red dots fail.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
My iron sights fail.
Iron sights have broken.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
I recently watched a video.
I think it was by regular guytraining.
I don't know if you've heard ofhim yeah, like him, the asian
guy yeah, yeah, the jokes hemakes about asians are amazing.
But yeah, he, so he.
He does training classes, all aton of training classes.
Throughout the year he's takenstats and the number of front

(01:55:13):
sights he's had just disappearedduring the middle of a training
class is like 10 times thenumber of red dots he's had fail
on people's guns.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
It's a lot easier to switch out a red dot than a
front sight post.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Yeah, that's true.
A lot easier If you ever findthat front sight post in the
grass or wherever.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Yeah, hey.
Nothing is outside the boundsof possibility here.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
How did you feel about the change in the fourth
degree uniform?

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
I don't care, because that's not even the first time
it's been changed.
It used to be a top hat andcoattails, right?
I don't care about the uniform,right?
I don't like that they keepchanging.
Let's just stick with something, keep it there, um, but you
know, whatever it really doesn'tmatter I, so I did.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Just I forget what gun I was putting a red dot on,
I think I don't know, but thescrew sheared off in in the red
dot.
Luckily, it was like it brokeoff in the plate.
Oh, it was on one of theberettas.
It broke off in the the adapterplate, so I just had to order a
new adapter plate instead oflike when all this couldn't

(01:56:25):
screw forever.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
But it was annoying, yeah good man, that's what I
like to hear.
Get some good dudes togetherand get that thing going.
Like you know for my councilthat I do like I'm the youngest
guy by like 20 years, but I'vebrought in like 15 other guys
younger than me by 15 years,right, in fact, you know we're

(01:56:51):
tossing around the idea of doinga fundraiser but doing skeet
shooting right, that'd be cool.
People who, who would just I'vehad come to approach me just
because they've heard that wemight do that Right, and so it
just got it.
Whatever you're wanting to dowith your council, you can do it
.
You just need four dudes totake it over.
That's it All you need.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
We kind of started off the episode talking about
how do we change the culture, atleast in the American Catholic
Church, around certain things.
In this episode we talked aboutgetting to be more accepting of
guns and things like that.
Well, you change the culturethrough these different
institutional organs.
Like you said, if you can getpeople interested in the Knights

(01:57:34):
because of skeet shooting, thatbecomes a regular thing for
that council, Well you'rechanging the whole culture.
In the down south you're notdoing that, but up here you
would be changing the wholeculture of a parish around
firearms by getting a councilinto skeet shooting and getting
that to be a whole parishfundraiser and things of that

(01:57:54):
nature.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
Exactly.
You know you're really justlimited by what you're willing
to put the time and effort intodoing, and that's really all it
comes down to.
And if you want your knights tobe the face of everything, your
priest will love that, becauseif your parish sees a bunch of
men stepping up and doingsomething, it's going to attract
more men to your parish.
And all of a sudden they'relike this council over here is

(01:58:21):
the ones doing the security andthe ushers and they're the guys
that are helping with whateverfundraiser and they're putting
on men's nights.
You don't have to do thingsthat have always been done.
There weren't always meatsmokes and the intellectual
disabilities drives.
Those got started fromsomewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Those pictures of the old ones.
Yeah, just do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
Yeah, I've saved a whole lot of them.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
In fact I have one of the aprons.
Do the I was gonna say, do themodern apron say it still no, I
have an old one.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
It was in the storage of our council and for anyone
who's a convert I acquired it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
It didn't grow up in the church, let's just say,
thinking back now to the 90s,when you'd go out after mass,
the knights were there withtheir aprons selling tootsie
Rolls for 25 cents to helpretarded children help the
retarded to learn.
It was amazing it was a bit, itwas so much.

(01:59:24):
It was such a better time rightman.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
To be retarded means to be held back, right.
So anybody has an issue withthat word?
Is what it means?
It means to be held back, right, um?
So anybody has an issue withthat word?
Is what it means?
It means to be held back?
you know, like I have a retarderon on one of my uh lawnmowers,
right, just what it is.
It's holding it back exactlythe more young women see young

(01:59:50):
men step up.
Right.
For those of you that have ahard time finding dates because
you like your banjo a little bitmore than talking to women, you
need to present a little bitmore of a manly presentation,
right.
Presentation right becausefirst, first time, meeting

(02:00:15):
somebody matters a lot.
It does if you, if you meet awoman, you've got a, a fish
handshake, you know, and yourhands are all sweaty.
And because you're nervous,because you've never talked to
practice now with women that youdon't think are attractive,
like when you're getting coffeeor something.
Talk to women, that way, youget used to it.
Right, practice on other women.

(02:00:35):
Talk to people, right, just getthe nerves out.
So when you do have a younglady that you want to approach,
right, you're not as nervous.
Let's see, I'm probably rufflingand fenders on this one.

(02:01:00):
I don't know man like amajorians, uh, you know the, the
jaundice tim gordon, and uh,yes, yeah, I, I see a lot of
myself in him 20 years ago,right, um, he's much stronger at
his age than I was, but I havea feeling you didn't read uh
nietzsche 20 years ago, right um, he's much stronger at his age
than I was, but I have a feelingyou didn't read uh nietzsche 20
years ago I did not readnietzsche uh at all.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
It doesn't seem like a marine thing to do there no,
no, I read, I read.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
Uh, I didn't read nietzsche.
I'll tell you that there aresome other far edgier people I
used to read, but he's right ontrack, right Like we have too
many nerdy tweed wearing guys,that.
But I understand where theycome from.
Because they come from?
Because the Latin mass is avery intellectual pursuit right

(02:01:49):
and I get that right.
But a lot of these guys havenever seen a hard day's work in
their life, right?
Uh, when I travel, man, I seeit a lot.
My parish is not so much.
I'm a very blue collar latinmass parish so I don't see it as
much in our parish.
But when I travel and I see itand like these guys are bean
poles and like it looks like astiff wind will blow them over,

(02:02:09):
right, um, so it's, it's amatter of of presentation a lot
of times because you can fool alot of people.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
It's not even necessarily just trads it, and
I'm probably gonna rufflefeathers with this one.
Um, I, I think converts ingeneral, you know, because those
who convert largely are doingso for intellectual reasons,
right, uh, and they, they want,they want to go deep and into it
, and that's a good thing,obviously.
But there, there, there's adifferent side to catholicism

(02:02:42):
too, other than just, you know,playing intellectual study yeah,
the getting outside of yourcomfort zone is big, right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:51):
You, you know, if you have a hard time picking up a
45-pound plate, you need to dothat more often, right, you need
to learn how to sacrifice alittle bit more and, you know,
sweat a little bit more.
If you live in the South andyou don't go out during the
summer, that's an issue, right,you're going to sweat, get over
it.
It's uncomfortable, right, andwe just have a lot of guys right

(02:03:14):
now who aren't willing to beuncomfortable is really what it
comes down to.
Yeah, all right, so let's wrapit up.
I know you got work tomorrow.
Um, I do too, but I kind ofmake my own schedule.
But, uh, I think it was good.
I think we provided some goodinformation for some guys to at

(02:03:34):
least go find what they need tofind.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
Yeah, Maybe, as we continue to do this, we can.
We have a website that Ihaven't updated in forever, but
maybe there or on some otherresource, we can develop

(02:03:58):
resources where people can go,like maybe a list of people who
can come and do a threatassessment, or where people can
go for training.

Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
Yeah, things like that, something long-term for us
to think about, um, yeah,things like that, something,
something long term for us tothink about.
And if y'all have somebody nearyou that you does that does
training, you want me to look atthem for you?
Like they have a website, justdm them to me, um, and I'll
check them out real quick andI'll kind of give you my
assessment based on you knowwhat they do.
Unfortunately, there's a lot ofguys out there that just
because they serve in themilitary, they think they can

(02:04:30):
teach firearms, and that's true.
I can't tell you how many guysin the military who cannot shoot
Because I I used to teach guyswhen I was in the Marines.
That was a PMI there's a lot ofguys can't shoot.
So if you want me to take outsomebody, send them to me.
I'll be happy to look at themfor you.
And then you know, like in themeantime, buy Rick's book.
It's $2 on Apple books right bythe time you buy it, $2 will

(02:04:55):
only be worth $1.90 anyway.
So just buy it anyway and atleast have the resources that
you can quick search.
And if you find somebody on Xwho's spouting off about you
know being fearful.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
You can quote some things at them.
And yeah, at some point we willdefinitely have Rick on.

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
Rick was supposed to come on tonight.
I asked him to come on, but hisflight back from rome was
delayed.

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
The title is the armed catholic the catholic case
for guns and self-defense byrick barrett.
Yes, so get that I'm sure he'll.
He'll enjoy the sales let's tryto remember to put a link to it
in the description tomorrow.
It's not in there currently.
Yeah, absolutely Okay, well,thanks.
If anyone watches this andcomes up with questions later or

(02:05:41):
watches this later, put them inthe comments.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
I'll come back and check them occasionally and I'll
try and answer what I can.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Or if you're on Twitter, our handles are right
on screen.
I think my DMs are open toTwitter.
Our handles are right on screen.
Yeah, I think my DMS are opento anyone, so just shoot me a DM
or something.
Yep, okay, without further adohappy labor day everyone, and
we'll see you next week.
See y'all, thank you.

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