August 4, 2025 • 33 mins
When a firearms controversy provokes deep reflection on institutional integrity, we discover uncomfortable truths about how organizations respond to criticism. This episode examines the troubling story of the Sig Sauer P320 pistol—a weapon linked to unexpected discharges including the recent death of an Air Force airman—and the company's defensive, gaslighting response that prioritized corporate reputation over customer safety.
But this isn't merely about firearms. The parallels to challenges within the Catholic Church are striking and profound. When confronted with legitimate concerns—whether about controversial liturgical practices or declining parish demographics—institutional defenders often employ identical tactics: dismissing critics as "grifters," labeling them "anti-Catholic," and refusing to acknowledge uncomfortable realities.
These defensive postures ultimately undermine the very credibility they seek to protect. When potential converts are given sanitized versions of Church realities only to discover the full picture after commitment, the result is often disillusionment and departure. The statistics regarding those who leave within years of completing OCIA (formerly RCIA) suggest the high cost of such approaches.
Christ identified Himself as "the way, the truth, and the life"—a profound reminder that truthfulness isn't optional for Christians, but essential to our identity. The Church, as Christ's spotless bride, doesn't require defenders who obscure reality. It needs witnesses confident enough in its divine foundations to acknowledge its human complexities.
"Present the church as it is," our host reminds us, "it's enough." This simple yet powerful statement captures the essence of authentic evangelization—one built on transparent truth rather than managed perception. The Church can withstand honest scrutiny precisely because its foundations are divine, even when its members are flawed. How might our witness change if we embraced this principle?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome everyone.
We're going to be doingsomething a little differently
today.
I've had a topic rolling aroundin my mind for a little less
than a week now and I figuredI'd just come on and lay it out
for you guys see what you guysthought.
The topic itself it does applyto the church, but it kind of
(00:25):
does so from an angle youprobably wouldn't expect.
So what are we going to betalking about today?
We are going to be talkingabout this guy.
Let me just make sure it'sclear.
Yep, it's clear.
This is the Sig Sauer P320.
Specifically, this version isthe P320 AXG Legion.
(00:48):
Now you might be wondering whatdoes this have to do with the
church?
Well, and why are we talkingabout today?
Well, many of you any of you inthe gun community, for sure, but
a lot of you outside of thatcommunity have probably heard
about the controversysurrounding this firearm.
It's not a new issue in the guncommunity.
(01:11):
Talk about it has kind of beenrolling around for probably
eight years or so now, but itjust recently.
That controversy has hasexpanded quite a bit.
It's kind of escaped the siloof the gun community and now you
have YouTubers like Charlie Anyof you who know Charlie Moist
(01:36):
Critical.
He's talked about it.
His videos got a few millionviews, so it's not just a
controversy inside the guncommunity anymore.
But anyways, for those of youwho don't know that this pistol,
the 6-hour P320, was justrecently involved in the death
(01:58):
of a US Air Force airman, airForce Airmen.
The airmen had the pistol inthe.
From what we've heard, fromwhat we know so far, the
investigation is currentlyongoing.
But the airmen had his sidearm,his six-hour P320.
The Air Force, or the USmilitary, has two designations
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for that gun it's an M17 for thelonger barrel version and an
M18 for the shorter barrel, butthey're both P320s.
Anyways, the airman had hissidearm in a holster, took his
holster off, put his holsterdown on the table and the
firearm discharged, shot him inthe chest and killed him.
(02:44):
And the firearm discharged,shot him in the chest and killed
him.
Now, for those of you who don'tknow, it is not normal for a
firearm to discharge inside of aholster, at least inside of a
good holster.
A firearm should neverdischarge when there's no input
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on the trigger.
And inside of a good holster,um, let's see here, inside of a
good holster, there's no way toget to the trigger, right.
You can't get in, can't pullthat trigger at all, so there
should be no way to fire thisfirearm.
But apparently this firearm wasin a holster, was set down on a
table and discharged into hischest.
(03:30):
Like I said, that is no bueno.
Firearms usually do not do that.
The whole.
Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.
Well, in this case the gun didkill a person, so that's
obviously a big red flag, right,and that's the story that has
(03:50):
gotten this controversy, youknow, out into the general
public.
But this issue has been kind ofrolling around in the gun
community for quite a while.
The gun itself was I don't knowexactly when it was first
developed, let's just say about10 years ago, and it was entered
into the military's trials fora new sidearm Prior to the Sig
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320,.
The military, since, I think,the late 80s, had been using the
Beretta 92, and they called itthe DM9.
So this, let me make sure it'sclear this is the newest version
of that gun, the Beretta M9A4.
(04:38):
So this is kind of theevolution of what the military
had been using and this wasactually Beretta's entries into
those same trials.
Glock was also involved.
They had their 19X, so you hadbig names in the firearm world.
You know submitting entries tobe the military's new sidearm,
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and the 6-hour P320 was chosenand it came into the military as
the M17 and M18, and I thinkaround 2017, so about seven
years ago, and at that timethere was stories of the gun
going off when dropped.
So we call that that it's notdrop-safe.
(05:21):
Now there have been a lot offirearms throughout time that
aren't drop safe the old 1911sthat were carried by the
military since well, since 1911,they largely weren't drop safe.
You know, a lot of old schoolrevolvers aren't drop safe.
A lot of new, brand new, highend, super expensive 2011s
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aren't drop safe.
New, brand new, high-end, superexpensive 2011s aren't drop
safe.
Um, but a gun like the sig, thep320 and many other modern
striker fired guns are drop safeand this gun was supposed to be
drop safe and it wasn't.
It was going off when droppedfrom certain heights, at certain
angles, and Sig Sauer at firstkind of denied it.
(06:08):
Right, no matter how manyvideos came out of the gun going
off when dropped, they weren'treally taking responsibility,
but it was hard to refute, right, it was repeatable, it was
happening often and, like I said, uh, but it was hard to refute,
right, it was repeatable, itwas happening often and, like I
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said, there was all these videoscoming out of it happening.
So SIG came out with theirvoluntary upgrade program.
They didn't recall all thepistols, right, it wasn't
mandatory.
You could voluntarily send yourpistol back to them and they
would upgrade it, change acouple other parts and make it
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drop-safe.
And then their guns that theywere producing.
From then on, they made rollingchanges to the design, to the
production, to make the new gunsdrop-safe, guns, drop safe.
Now, six hour does this with alot of their guns?
Um, they make, uh, what the newsix hour, six hour usa does
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this to a lot of their guns.
They make rolling changes.
Um, they did this with a piece,a different model, that came
out around the same time.
Um, instead of saying this isthe new version, with these new
parts, they will, just asthey're, you know, in the middle
of a production run, makechanges and you don't know.
(07:34):
You know which version your gunhas, which version your gun is
really.
Um, you can make a good guessbased on when you bought it and
what the serial number is.
But anyway, so they, theycorrected that drop safe issue,
but then there were more stories, you know, coming out of the
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gun going off, you know, inholsters, uh, not being dropped,
not, you know, trigger notbeing pulled, anything like that
gun going off in holsters.
Now, because this gun, like Isaid, this gun was adopted by
the military, by all thebranches of the military.
Because of that, when thathappens, when the military
adopts a new firearm, a lot oftime you have a lot of different
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law enforcement agencies acrossthe country who also adopt it.
You have a lot of different lawenforcement agencies across the
country who also adopt it.
So, um, I don't have the fulllist, but, um, a lot of police
departments, ice, uh, a lot ofdepartments across the country
adopted the p320 since, you know, after the military adopted it
and also because the militaryadopted and because police uh
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agencies it.
It was a very popular consumer,you know, consumer firearm too.
So millions of these thingshave been made.
I think they think it's likepossibly 5 million Very, very
popular firearm.
But stories started coming outof guns going off and holsters.
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There's videos of police of theof the firearm discharging as a
police officer puts it backinto a holster, things like that
.
We have body cam footage.
So this new issue ofunintentional discharges, that
new issue kind of startedsnowballing within the gun
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community.
But 6-Hour, once again didn'ttake any.
They didn't own it in any way.
Matter of fact.
Anytime they would say anythingabout it, it was, you know,
along the lines that this is oneof the most tested firearms in
history, one of the safestfirearms in history, blah, blah,
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blah.
It was really a bunch ofgaslighting.
Matter of fact.
Up in March of this year theyreleased a public statement.
Let me see if I can pull it upreal quick.
Okay, I have it pulled up, I'mgoing to read through it Now
once again.
You're probably asking yourselfwhy are we talking about this
(10:08):
on a Catholic channel?
How does this apply to thechurch, to Catholicism?
And we're getting there, trustme, we're almost there.
But let me just read you thisstatement that came out, I think
, like March 7th or something.
It came out March of this year,prior to this Air Force Airman
being shot.
So let me pull it up and let meread it real quick for you.
(10:40):
Okay, the truth about the P320.
No-transcript.
Recently, anti-gun groups,members of the mainstream media,
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trial attorneys and otheruninformed and agenda-driven
parties have launched attacks onone of Sig Sauer's most trusted
, most tested, most popularproducts that the P320 can fire
without a trigger pull.
They have no evidence, no dataand no empirical testing to
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support any of their claims.
They instead choose tomisrepresent clear, negligent
discharges as a design problem.
I don't need to read all of ithere.
Let's see here.
I don't need to read all of ithere.
Let's see here.
The rhetoric is high and we canno longer stay silent.
(11:51):
While lawsuits run their coursein clickbait farming engagement,
hacking grifters continue theircampaign to hijack the truth
for profit.
Enough is enough.
Industry, take notice.
What's happening today at a sixhour with the anti-gun mob and
their lawfare tactics willhappen tomorrow at another
firearm manufacturer and thenanother Today for six hour.
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It ends Okay.
So that was their statement.
That was a load of gaslighting,right?
I mean, all it was wasgaslighting ad hominem attacks
against anyone who hasquestioned the safety of the
P320, right?
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Saying that they're grifters,that they're part of the
anti-gun mob, when most of theseguys are firearm guys, right?
So instead of like owning up oreven saying, hey, we're
investigating, you knowpotential issues?
Um, you know we, we care aboutsafety, we're looking into it,
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um, instead of anything likethat.
They are, they go on theoffensive, they they attack,
they gaslight.
They basically are callinganyone who says questions like
anything about the P-320, a liar, a grifter.
And, like I said, that was inMarch and then now I think it
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was a week, week and a half agothe news came out about this
airman dying and because of that, the Air Force Global Strike
Group discontinued well, notdiscontinued, they paused use of
the P-320.
So basically, they're notallowing any of their personnel
to use the P-320 until theinvestigation is complete.
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Since then, you have multiplefirearm training companies
banning use of the P320 incourses and training courses.
Ranges are not allowing peoplewith the P320 to use it on their
range.
So things are just gettingworse and worse for Sig Sauer.
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And when the airman was killed,they came out with another
statement that said that they'reoffering assistance to the Air
Force in the investigation.
It was a much better statement.
Once again, it didn't acceptany responsibility.
It was a much better statementand once again it didn't accept
any responsibility, but it didsay that they are helping the
Air Force look into it.
(14:29):
And then, just a day or two ago, they released one other
statement.
Let me see if I can find thatOkay, I have the most recent
statement.
This was July 29th.
I'm not going to read the wholething, but I'll read portions
of it here.
So towards the beginning theystart with the P320 pistol is
one of the safest, most advancedpistols in the world, meeting
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and exceeding all industrysafety standards.
Design has been thirdly testedand validated by the US military
and law enforcement agencies atthe federal, state and local
levels.
Let's go towards the end here.
It talks about what they callinaccurate reports of negligent
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or unintentional discharges.
So they say following severalof these inaccurate reports, a
number of ranges, trainingproviders and training
facilities made the reactionarydecision to ban the P320 and its
use in their facilities.
We are actively working toprovide these individuals with
accurate information along witha detailed understanding of the
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P320 and its safety features areimpacted by a P320 range or
training provider ban.
We urge you to reach out to SIGcustomer service and snitch I
mean so we can clarify anymisinformation and provide the
truth.
The P320 cannot under anycircumstances discharge without
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the trigger first being moved tothe rear.
This has been verified throughextensive, exhaustive testing.
Uh, as with any gun, the p320will discharge if the trigger is
pulled to the rear.
Um, yeah, so that's basicallythat, okay, so, so that's the
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controversy.
That house that is how thig isresponding to it, and what the
heck does this have to do withthe church?
Well, okay, so, yeah, I, I owna p320 and I actually just
recently bought it.
You might be wondering whywould I just recently buy one,
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with this controversy?
That's because, well, this gunis going to be a piece of
history in a good way or a badway.
This gun is going down inhistory.
So it's kind of a cool piece offuture history to own.
Um, but I would never, evercarry that thing, right?
I?
I actually, um, won't evenchamber around into the thing.
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It's just not worth worth it,right?
I, I don't need it.
It's not my carry gun, uh, I'mnot gonna have it around home
for self-defense.
It's gonna sit in that safebecause one day in the future
it's gonna be a piece of history, um, but, uh, I have other
six-hour pistols, uh, and rifles, um, I actually have have long
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light sig, uh, firearms, youknow.
So, uh, so, like this, this wasmy carry gun for quite a while.
This is a six hour p365.
Um, really kind of arevolutionary.
Well, not revolutionary, but uh, um, forward thinking pistol
design that came out around thetime of the P three 20.
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Uh, this is my second P three65.
Um, my, my first.
I I've had my wife carry.
Um, it's been a great pistol.
I've never had any issues withit.
It's never.
I've never had a singlemalfunction at all, even and I'm
no failure to feed, no failureto eject, nothing.
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Really it's been reallyreliable for me, really
comfortable pistol to carry.
All in all, great pistol.
You know I also have a sig p2.
This, this is the 938.
Okay, that one's clear.
Yeah, the p938, really small,little nine millimeter carry gun
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, little you know.
I have a pocket holster for it.
Um, great little little carrygun, you know, and a pair of
shorts or something like that.
Once again, I mean this design,I think is at least as old as me
, something like that.
Uh, it's a 1911 style designkind of, not exactly, but pretty
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close, single action only.
All in all, I mean the.
The design more or less hasbeen around for 100 years.
Once again, really reliable.
Never had an issue with it.
I also have a say P220.
This design is older than me,this is in 10 millimeter.
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It's one of my preferred likecarry guns for the woods.
Once again, super reliabledesign, you know.
But both the uh, the 938 andthe 220 were designed by, you
know, the old six hour uh, youknow the old swiss west german
six hour as opposed to the newSIG USA.
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So we're actually a completelydifferent company originally.
Really well-tested designs,super reliable.
I'm not.
I don't know if I'm carryingany of them anymore Right Now,
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even though I've not had anyproblems with them.
And two of those three otherpistols were designed by the old
Sig Sauer.
The fact is, all of them weremade by the new Sig USA and
clearly there's issues with theP320, either in its design or
with its manufacturer.
We're not really sure whichright now.
It could be a mixture of both,but anyways, even though they've
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been reliable, who knows whoknows at this point.
And one thing I do know issomething does happen.
Sig Sauer, sure as heck, isn'tgoing to stand behind their
product.
They're not going to be thereto help me, they're going to be
there to gaslight me.
Yeah, and even if, you know, Imight still carry some of these,
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you know the, like I said, the220 is my, one of my preferred,
you know, woods guns because ofthe you know, the 10 millimeter.
So I'm not saying I'm nevergoing to carry them again, but
I'm not, I'm not ever going tosuggest to anyone else to buy a
SIG product ever again, becausethe company clearly, clearly
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doesn't care about theircustomers.
It cares more about theirbottom line than anything and I
just I can't, I can't recommendthat to anyone else, whether
it's for their safety or just toyou know, just kind of
vindictively against SIG becauseof the way they treat people,
kind of vindictively against SIGbecause of the way they treat
people.
So SIG Sauer is more or lesslike completely soured in my
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mind.
Right, that whole name brand iskind of corrupted at this point
and this is happening through.
I mean I don't know if theysurvived this right.
I mean they might have torecall all 5 million of these
guns.
The military contracts mightget canceled.
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You know, I don't know, butthat brand is.
It means something else now thanwhat it did, and how this
applies to the church is is justin the way it's.
All what it comes down to is ishonesty, right, and owning up
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to, to criticisms and issuesthat do exist, and we've talked
about this a little on thechannel recently.
But you know, you know thechurch, the church isn't perfect
.
Yes, she is the spotless brideof Christ, but she is also an
institution run by, you know,here on earth, by humans, very
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corrupt humans, right?
So there are real issues in thechurch and when someone raises
these issues, these criticisms,we cannot just gaslight them, we
cannot just attack them with adhominems.
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We have to acknowledge thetruth for what it is, right.
So when someone brings up theissue of Pachamama, right,
whether or not that statue, thatfigure, was intended to be the
Virgin Mary or was intended tobe an Incan demon, whether or
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not the people surrounding it inthe weird little circle in the
garden with all the other littlepagan stuff, whether or not
they were intending to pray tothe Blessed Virgin or to Mother
Earth, we have to acknowledge itlooks bad, right.
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We have to acknowledge thatthis was maybe not prudent,
right.
We can't just say this is ahoax.
We can't just say this istaylor marshall grifting, this
is the trads, this is the youknow, the anti-catholic trads
grifting, right.
Who does that sound like right?
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I mean, and I'm basicallytalking about pope respecter
here, among others, but butlargely him.
That's the exact language sigused, calling out all the people
concerned about a gun shootingpeople.
How does that look?
How did how did that look?
For sake, that looked prettybad now, yes, it was before an
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airman was killed.
Largely most of that languagecame up before that airman was
killed, but people had beeninjured, numerous people had
been injured.
And what do they do?
They came up calling themgrifters, calling them anti-gun,
the anti-gun mob.
Right, that's exactly that's theexact same method of someone
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saying you know that this, thatpachamama is a, is a grifting
hoax.
It wasn a hoax.
We all saw it with our own twoeyes Right Now.
Sure we can, you know, if wewant to have a discussion about
what intentions were, you know,sure we can talk about that, but
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we can't just call it a hoax.
It did happen, we all saw ithappen.
So let's have an honestdiscussion about the criticisms.
Same thing with demographics,right, and we're actually going
to have a discussion and debateon the demographic health of the
church in a few days here onthis channel.
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But when we talk about thedemographic health of the church
and how there are so manyparishes outside of big cities
that are going to be dead herein the next 10 years, 10, 15
years, right, I mean it is goingto be a large number of
parishes.
We need to have a discussionabout that and instead of people
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saying, oh, that's not true, my, my parish in New York city, on
Staten Island, has 19,000registered members.
How could your parish in themiddle of nowhere possibly be
dying?
No, catholicism is completelyhealthy.
Don't, don't fricking, gaslightme, guy.
Come on now.
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Number one anyone who's everseen the parish registry knows
you cannot go by the parishregistry for how many people are
in that parish?
Okay, parish registries areabout as accurate as like voter
rolls and Democrat run cities.
Got a lot of dead people onthere.
You got a lot of people onthere who registered just so
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they could have their marriagethere or a child's baptism there
, and it hasn't been there since.
I mean, you got people therewho have on that registry, who
have moved.
I, I, no matter how many timesI've tried to contact these
parishes, still get the weeklydonation envelopes.
For, like the last two or threeparishes I've been registered
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member at and I've moved awayfrom, I'm still on their
registry, even though I've toldthem hey, I've moved, they don't
update their registry, I'mstill on there, so we can't use.
You know, great, your parishhas 19,000 registered members.
That's great.
I guarantee less than 30% ofthose go to Mass every week.
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Right, and, like I said, that'sa parish in the middle of New
York City.
I'll tell you one thingparishes outside of big cities,
they're dying.
They are, they really are.
The parish I'm, the localparish here, has already been
combined right from two smallerparishes who could not sustain
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themselves on their own.
So they combined into one.
And this parish might be alittle different because it's a
tourist area.
So in the summer the church isfull, it is, but in the winter
it's largely empty.
Right, and those that are there, 75% are over the age of 60.
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So in 10, 15 years, this, yeah,this parish might still be
around due to the tourist crowd.
Sure, but other parishes inlike-sized cities, towns,
they're not going to be around.
And we just have to acknowledgereality for what it is.
Right, it does no one any goodto not own up to the truth,
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right, and this is so true whenit comes to talking to people
possibly interested in thechurch.
Right, when they come to us andthey're interested, but they
have concerns about certainthings.
We cannot swipe those thingsunder the rug.
We cannot try to hide them andgaslight people into saying no,
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no, no, you this, there reallyis no concern or criticism here,
you know.
No, we have to be honestbecause because if we do try to
hide it under the rug, if we doswipe it under the rug, try to
gaslight someone, yeah, they,they might accept it then and
they might sure they might comeinto the church.
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But what's going to happen whenthey realize they were lied to?
Do you really care about theirsoul when you lie to them?
How are they going to feelabout that?
I think we hear and I don't know, no one knows exactly how
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accurate it is, but we do knowthat a large number of people
who come into RCIA, ocia,whatever it's called now, who
come into the church, leaveshortly after, whether it's a
year, two years, three years.
What the percentage is, youknow, people have thrown out
like 50% leave within a year.
That's probably not accurate.
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It's probably 30% after two orthree years.
And yeah, a large number ofthose who do come into OCIA and
leave, they probably were therejust to convert, to get married
right, something like that.
That's true, but I think a goodportion could be people who are
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gaslit into forgetting aboutcriticisms or concerns that they
had, who came into the churchthen but then realized later or
saw later that they were lied to, that whatever problem they
were concerned about was sweptunder the rug.
And then not only will theyleave, they will even be very
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anti-Catholic at that point,right?
Or what happens when yougaslight someone, say under
Francis, who comes into thechurch under Francis, you
gaslight him about Francis beingthe most based pope ever.
Oh and Francis really, really,you know, really is super
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orthodox about gay marriage andthis and that so forth.
But then they come in and theyrealize just how much of a
problem there really was in thatpapacy.
What's the best case scenario?
At that point they become asette, right?
I mean, you know Jesus, youknow our blessed Lord said that
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he is the way, the truth and thelife.
He is the truth.
He does not want you togaslight people just to get them
into the church.
He does not want you to lie, todeceive, to sweep things under
the rugs.
The church can stand on its own.
It can stand as it is.
It does not need you to lieabout it.
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It does not need you togaslight people about it.
Present it as it is, it isenough.
Right?
If you really believe it's thespotless bride of Christ, you
don't need to lie to peopleabout it.
Just be honest, otherwise youare going to sour people on the
church forever, just like SigSauer is doing with their
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products.
Now, was this video made just soI could talk about guns?
Yeah, probably.
That's probably why I took likea week of rolling around in my
head, because I had to figureout how I could somehow talk
about guns on the channel.
Because I had to figure out howI could somehow talk about guns
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on the channel.
But I do think there's alegitimate point to be made
there.
Just be honest.
Present the church as it is,it's enough.
I promise you it really is.
You really don't have to lieabout the bride of Christ to get
people to see what it is.
So that's what I have for youtoday, guys.
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If the guns bored you, I'msorry.
I'm sorry, but I hope you allhave a good day and I'll see you
later.
Welcome everyone.
We're going to be doingsomething a little differently
today.
I've had a topic rolling aroundin my mind for a little less
than a week now and I figuredI'd just come on and lay it out
for you guys see what you guysthought.
The topic itself it does applyto the church, but it kind of
(00:25):
does so from an angle youprobably wouldn't expect.
So what are we going to betalking about today?
We are going to be talkingabout this guy.
Let me just make sure it'sclear.
Yep, it's clear.
This is the Sig Sauer P320.
Specifically, this version isthe P320 AXG Legion.
(00:48):
Now you might be wondering whatdoes this have to do with the
church?
Well, and why are we talkingabout today?
Well, many of you any of you inthe gun community, for sure, but
a lot of you outside of thatcommunity have probably heard
about the controversysurrounding this firearm.
It's not a new issue in the guncommunity.
(01:11):
Talk about it has kind of beenrolling around for probably
eight years or so now, but itjust recently.
That controversy has hasexpanded quite a bit.
It's kind of escaped the siloof the gun community and now you
have YouTubers like Charlie Anyof you who know Charlie Moist
(01:36):
Critical.
He's talked about it.
His videos got a few millionviews, so it's not just a
controversy inside the guncommunity anymore.
But anyways, for those of youwho don't know that this pistol,
the 6-hour P320, was justrecently involved in the death
(01:58):
of a US Air Force airman, airForce Airmen.
The airmen had the pistol inthe.
From what we've heard, fromwhat we know so far, the
investigation is currentlyongoing.
But the airmen had his sidearm,his six-hour P320.
The Air Force, or the USmilitary, has two designations
(02:23):
for that gun it's an M17 for thelonger barrel version and an
M18 for the shorter barrel, butthey're both P320s.
Anyways, the airman had hissidearm in a holster, took his
holster off, put his holsterdown on the table and the
firearm discharged, shot him inthe chest and killed him.
(02:44):
And the firearm discharged,shot him in the chest and killed
him.
Now, for those of you who don'tknow, it is not normal for a
firearm to discharge inside of aholster, at least inside of a
good holster.
A firearm should neverdischarge when there's no input
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on the trigger.
And inside of a good holster,um, let's see here, inside of a
good holster, there's no way toget to the trigger, right.
You can't get in, can't pullthat trigger at all, so there
should be no way to fire thisfirearm.
But apparently this firearm wasin a holster, was set down on a
table and discharged into hischest.
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Like I said, that is no bueno.
Firearms usually do not do that.
The whole.
Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.
Well, in this case the gun didkill a person, so that's
obviously a big red flag, right,and that's the story that has
(03:50):
gotten this controversy, youknow, out into the general
public.
But this issue has been kind ofrolling around in the gun
community for quite a while.
The gun itself was I don't knowexactly when it was first
developed, let's just say about10 years ago, and it was entered
into the military's trials fora new sidearm Prior to the Sig
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320,.
The military, since, I think,the late 80s, had been using the
Beretta 92, and they called itthe DM9.
So this, let me make sure it'sclear this is the newest version
of that gun, the Beretta M9A4.
(04:38):
So this is kind of theevolution of what the military
had been using and this wasactually Beretta's entries into
those same trials.
Glock was also involved.
They had their 19X, so you hadbig names in the firearm world.
You know submitting entries tobe the military's new sidearm,
(04:59):
and the 6-hour P320 was chosenand it came into the military as
the M17 and M18, and I thinkaround 2017, so about seven
years ago, and at that timethere was stories of the gun
going off when dropped.
So we call that that it's notdrop-safe.
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Now there have been a lot offirearms throughout time that
aren't drop safe the old 1911sthat were carried by the
military since well, since 1911,they largely weren't drop safe.
You know, a lot of old schoolrevolvers aren't drop safe.
A lot of new, brand new, highend, super expensive 2011s
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aren't drop safe.
New, brand new, high-end, superexpensive 2011s aren't drop
safe.
Um, but a gun like the sig, thep320 and many other modern
striker fired guns are drop safeand this gun was supposed to be
drop safe and it wasn't.
It was going off when droppedfrom certain heights, at certain
angles, and Sig Sauer at firstkind of denied it.
(06:08):
Right, no matter how manyvideos came out of the gun going
off when dropped, they weren'treally taking responsibility,
but it was hard to refute, right, it was repeatable, it was
happening often and, like I said, uh, but it was hard to refute,
right, it was repeatable, itwas happening often and, like I
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said, there was all these videoscoming out of it happening.
So SIG came out with theirvoluntary upgrade program.
They didn't recall all thepistols, right, it wasn't
mandatory.
You could voluntarily send yourpistol back to them and they
would upgrade it, change acouple other parts and make it
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drop-safe.
And then their guns that theywere producing.
From then on, they made rollingchanges to the design, to the
production, to make the new gunsdrop-safe, guns, drop safe.
Now, six hour does this with alot of their guns?
Um, they make, uh, what the newsix hour, six hour usa does
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this to a lot of their guns.
They make rolling changes.
Um, they did this with a piece,a different model, that came
out around the same time.
Um, instead of saying this isthe new version, with these new
parts, they will, just asthey're, you know, in the middle
of a production run, makechanges and you don't know.
(07:34):
You know which version your gunhas, which version your gun is
really.
Um, you can make a good guessbased on when you bought it and
what the serial number is.
But anyway, so they, theycorrected that drop safe issue,
but then there were more stories, you know, coming out of the
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gun going off, you know, inholsters, uh, not being dropped,
not, you know, trigger notbeing pulled, anything like that
gun going off in holsters.
Now, because this gun, like Isaid, this gun was adopted by
the military, by all thebranches of the military.
Because of that, when thathappens, when the military
adopts a new firearm, a lot oftime you have a lot of different
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law enforcement agencies acrossthe country who also adopt it.
You have a lot of different lawenforcement agencies across the
country who also adopt it.
So, um, I don't have the fulllist, but, um, a lot of police
departments, ice, uh, a lot ofdepartments across the country
adopted the p320 since, you know, after the military adopted it
and also because the militaryadopted and because police uh
(08:43):
agencies it.
It was a very popular consumer,you know, consumer firearm too.
So millions of these thingshave been made.
I think they think it's likepossibly 5 million Very, very
popular firearm.
But stories started coming outof guns going off and holsters.
(09:03):
There's videos of police of theof the firearm discharging as a
police officer puts it backinto a holster, things like that
.
We have body cam footage.
So this new issue ofunintentional discharges, that
new issue kind of startedsnowballing within the gun
(09:24):
community.
But 6-Hour, once again didn'ttake any.
They didn't own it in any way.
Matter of fact.
Anytime they would say anythingabout it, it was, you know,
along the lines that this is oneof the most tested firearms in
history, one of the safestfirearms in history, blah, blah,
(09:48):
blah.
It was really a bunch ofgaslighting.
Matter of fact.
Up in March of this year theyreleased a public statement.
Let me see if I can pull it upreal quick.
Okay, I have it pulled up, I'mgoing to read through it Now
once again.
You're probably asking yourselfwhy are we talking about this
(10:08):
on a Catholic channel?
How does this apply to thechurch, to Catholicism?
And we're getting there, trustme, we're almost there.
But let me just read you thisstatement that came out, I think
, like March 7th or something.
It came out March of this year,prior to this Air Force Airman
being shot.
So let me pull it up and let meread it real quick for you.
(10:40):
Okay, the truth about the P320.
No-transcript.
Recently, anti-gun groups,members of the mainstream media,
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trial attorneys and otheruninformed and agenda-driven
parties have launched attacks onone of Sig Sauer's most trusted
, most tested, most popularproducts that the P320 can fire
without a trigger pull.
They have no evidence, no dataand no empirical testing to
(11:29):
support any of their claims.
They instead choose tomisrepresent clear, negligent
discharges as a design problem.
I don't need to read all of ithere.
Let's see here.
I don't need to read all of ithere.
Let's see here.
The rhetoric is high and we canno longer stay silent.
(11:51):
While lawsuits run their coursein clickbait farming engagement,
hacking grifters continue theircampaign to hijack the truth
for profit.
Enough is enough.
Industry, take notice.
What's happening today at a sixhour with the anti-gun mob and
their lawfare tactics willhappen tomorrow at another
firearm manufacturer and thenanother Today for six hour.
(12:14):
It ends Okay.
So that was their statement.
That was a load of gaslighting,right?
I mean, all it was wasgaslighting ad hominem attacks
against anyone who hasquestioned the safety of the
P320, right?
(12:34):
Saying that they're grifters,that they're part of the
anti-gun mob, when most of theseguys are firearm guys, right?
So instead of like owning up oreven saying, hey, we're
investigating, you knowpotential issues?
Um, you know we, we care aboutsafety, we're looking into it,
(12:57):
um, instead of anything likethat.
They are, they go on theoffensive, they they attack,
they gaslight.
They basically are callinganyone who says questions like
anything about the P-320, a liar, a grifter.
And, like I said, that was inMarch and then now I think it
(13:23):
was a week, week and a half agothe news came out about this
airman dying and because of that, the Air Force Global Strike
Group discontinued well, notdiscontinued, they paused use of
the P-320.
So basically, they're notallowing any of their personnel
to use the P-320 until theinvestigation is complete.
(13:44):
Since then, you have multiplefirearm training companies
banning use of the P320 incourses and training courses.
Ranges are not allowing peoplewith the P320 to use it on their
range.
So things are just gettingworse and worse for Sig Sauer.
(14:09):
And when the airman was killed,they came out with another
statement that said that they'reoffering assistance to the Air
Force in the investigation.
It was a much better statement.
Once again, it didn't acceptany responsibility.
It was a much better statementand once again it didn't accept
any responsibility, but it didsay that they are helping the
Air Force look into it.
(14:29):
And then, just a day or two ago, they released one other
statement.
Let me see if I can find thatOkay, I have the most recent
statement.
This was July 29th.
I'm not going to read the wholething, but I'll read portions
of it here.
So towards the beginning theystart with the P320 pistol is
one of the safest, most advancedpistols in the world, meeting
(14:52):
and exceeding all industrysafety standards.
Design has been thirdly testedand validated by the US military
and law enforcement agencies atthe federal, state and local
levels.
Let's go towards the end here.
It talks about what they callinaccurate reports of negligent
(15:13):
or unintentional discharges.
So they say following severalof these inaccurate reports, a
number of ranges, trainingproviders and training
facilities made the reactionarydecision to ban the P320 and its
use in their facilities.
We are actively working toprovide these individuals with
accurate information along witha detailed understanding of the
(15:35):
P320 and its safety features areimpacted by a P320 range or
training provider ban.
We urge you to reach out to SIGcustomer service and snitch I
mean so we can clarify anymisinformation and provide the
truth.
The P320 cannot under anycircumstances discharge without
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the trigger first being moved tothe rear.
This has been verified throughextensive, exhaustive testing.
Uh, as with any gun, the p320will discharge if the trigger is
pulled to the rear.
Um, yeah, so that's basicallythat, okay, so, so that's the
(16:23):
controversy.
That house that is how thig isresponding to it, and what the
heck does this have to do withthe church?
Well, okay, so, yeah, I, I owna p320 and I actually just
recently bought it.
You might be wondering whywould I just recently buy one,
(16:44):
with this controversy?
That's because, well, this gunis going to be a piece of
history in a good way or a badway.
This gun is going down inhistory.
So it's kind of a cool piece offuture history to own.
Um, but I would never, evercarry that thing, right?
I?
I actually, um, won't evenchamber around into the thing.
(17:04):
It's just not worth worth it,right?
I, I don't need it.
It's not my carry gun, uh, I'mnot gonna have it around home
for self-defense.
It's gonna sit in that safebecause one day in the future
it's gonna be a piece of history, um, but, uh, I have other
six-hour pistols, uh, and rifles, um, I actually have have long
(17:29):
light sig, uh, firearms, youknow.
So, uh, so, like this, this wasmy carry gun for quite a while.
This is a six hour p365.
Um, really kind of arevolutionary.
Well, not revolutionary, but uh, um, forward thinking pistol
design that came out around thetime of the P three 20.
(17:50):
Uh, this is my second P three65.
Um, my, my first.
I I've had my wife carry.
Um, it's been a great pistol.
I've never had any issues withit.
It's never.
I've never had a singlemalfunction at all, even and I'm
no failure to feed, no failureto eject, nothing.
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Really it's been reallyreliable for me, really
comfortable pistol to carry.
All in all, great pistol.
You know I also have a sig p2.
This, this is the 938.
Okay, that one's clear.
Yeah, the p938, really small,little nine millimeter carry gun
(18:35):
, little you know.
I have a pocket holster for it.
Um, great little little carrygun, you know, and a pair of
shorts or something like that.
Once again, I mean this design,I think is at least as old as me
, something like that.
Uh, it's a 1911 style designkind of, not exactly, but pretty
(18:57):
close, single action only.
All in all, I mean the.
The design more or less hasbeen around for 100 years.
Once again, really reliable.
Never had an issue with it.
I also have a say P220.
This design is older than me,this is in 10 millimeter.
(19:19):
It's one of my preferred likecarry guns for the woods.
Once again, super reliabledesign, you know.
But both the uh, the 938 andthe 220 were designed by, you
know, the old six hour uh, youknow the old swiss west german
six hour as opposed to the newSIG USA.
(19:42):
So we're actually a completelydifferent company originally.
Really well-tested designs,super reliable.
I'm not.
I don't know if I'm carryingany of them anymore Right Now,
(20:04):
even though I've not had anyproblems with them.
And two of those three otherpistols were designed by the old
Sig Sauer.
The fact is, all of them weremade by the new Sig USA and
clearly there's issues with theP320, either in its design or
with its manufacturer.
We're not really sure whichright now.
It could be a mixture of both,but anyways, even though they've
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been reliable, who knows whoknows at this point.
And one thing I do know issomething does happen.
Sig Sauer, sure as heck, isn'tgoing to stand behind their
product.
They're not going to be thereto help me, they're going to be
there to gaslight me.
Yeah, and even if, you know, Imight still carry some of these,
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you know the, like I said, the220 is my, one of my preferred,
you know, woods guns because ofthe you know, the 10 millimeter.
So I'm not saying I'm nevergoing to carry them again, but
I'm not, I'm not ever going tosuggest to anyone else to buy a
SIG product ever again, becausethe company clearly, clearly
(21:10):
doesn't care about theircustomers.
It cares more about theirbottom line than anything and I
just I can't, I can't recommendthat to anyone else, whether
it's for their safety or just toyou know, just kind of
vindictively against SIG becauseof the way they treat people,
kind of vindictively against SIGbecause of the way they treat
people.
So SIG Sauer is more or lesslike completely soured in my
(21:34):
mind.
Right, that whole name brand iskind of corrupted at this point
and this is happening through.
I mean I don't know if theysurvived this right.
I mean they might have torecall all 5 million of these
guns.
The military contracts mightget canceled.
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You know, I don't know, butthat brand is.
It means something else now thanwhat it did, and how this
applies to the church is is justin the way it's.
All what it comes down to is ishonesty, right, and owning up
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to, to criticisms and issuesthat do exist, and we've talked
about this a little on thechannel recently.
But you know, you know thechurch, the church isn't perfect
.
Yes, she is the spotless brideof Christ, but she is also an
institution run by, you know,here on earth, by humans, very
(22:45):
corrupt humans, right?
So there are real issues in thechurch and when someone raises
these issues, these criticisms,we cannot just gaslight them, we
cannot just attack them with adhominems.
(23:06):
We have to acknowledge thetruth for what it is, right.
So when someone brings up theissue of Pachamama, right,
whether or not that statue, thatfigure, was intended to be the
Virgin Mary or was intended tobe an Incan demon, whether or
(23:31):
not the people surrounding it inthe weird little circle in the
garden with all the other littlepagan stuff, whether or not
they were intending to pray tothe Blessed Virgin or to Mother
Earth, we have to acknowledge itlooks bad, right.
(23:51):
We have to acknowledge thatthis was maybe not prudent,
right.
We can't just say this is ahoax.
We can't just say this istaylor marshall grifting, this
is the trads, this is the youknow, the anti-catholic trads
grifting, right.
Who does that sound like right?
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I mean, and I'm basicallytalking about pope respecter
here, among others, but butlargely him.
That's the exact language sigused, calling out all the people
concerned about a gun shootingpeople.
How does that look?
How did how did that look?
For sake, that looked prettybad now, yes, it was before an
(24:34):
airman was killed.
Largely most of that languagecame up before that airman was
killed, but people had beeninjured, numerous people had
been injured.
And what do they do?
They came up calling themgrifters, calling them anti-gun,
the anti-gun mob.
Right, that's exactly that's theexact same method of someone
(25:00):
saying you know that this, thatpachamama is a, is a grifting
hoax.
It wasn a hoax.
We all saw it with our own twoeyes Right Now.
Sure we can, you know, if wewant to have a discussion about
what intentions were, you know,sure we can talk about that, but
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we can't just call it a hoax.
It did happen, we all saw ithappen.
So let's have an honestdiscussion about the criticisms.
Same thing with demographics,right, and we're actually going
to have a discussion and debateon the demographic health of the
church in a few days here onthis channel.
(25:43):
But when we talk about thedemographic health of the church
and how there are so manyparishes outside of big cities
that are going to be dead herein the next 10 years, 10, 15
years, right, I mean it is goingto be a large number of
parishes.
We need to have a discussionabout that and instead of people
(26:08):
saying, oh, that's not true, my, my parish in New York city, on
Staten Island, has 19,000registered members.
How could your parish in themiddle of nowhere possibly be
dying?
No, catholicism is completelyhealthy.
Don't, don't fricking, gaslightme, guy.
Come on now.
(26:30):
Number one anyone who's everseen the parish registry knows
you cannot go by the parishregistry for how many people are
in that parish?
Okay, parish registries areabout as accurate as like voter
rolls and Democrat run cities.
Got a lot of dead people onthere.
You got a lot of people onthere who registered just so
(26:52):
they could have their marriagethere or a child's baptism there
, and it hasn't been there since.
I mean, you got people therewho have on that registry, who
have moved.
I, I, no matter how many timesI've tried to contact these
parishes, still get the weeklydonation envelopes.
For, like the last two or threeparishes I've been registered
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member at and I've moved awayfrom, I'm still on their
registry, even though I've toldthem hey, I've moved, they don't
update their registry, I'mstill on there, so we can't use.
You know, great, your parishhas 19,000 registered members.
That's great.
I guarantee less than 30% ofthose go to Mass every week.
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Right, and, like I said, that'sa parish in the middle of New
York City.
I'll tell you one thingparishes outside of big cities,
they're dying.
They are, they really are.
The parish I'm, the localparish here, has already been
combined right from two smallerparishes who could not sustain
(27:58):
themselves on their own.
So they combined into one.
And this parish might be alittle different because it's a
tourist area.
So in the summer the church isfull, it is, but in the winter
it's largely empty.
Right, and those that are there, 75% are over the age of 60.
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So in 10, 15 years, this, yeah,this parish might still be
around due to the tourist crowd.
Sure, but other parishes inlike-sized cities, towns,
they're not going to be around.
And we just have to acknowledgereality for what it is.
Right, it does no one any goodto not own up to the truth,
(28:45):
right, and this is so true whenit comes to talking to people
possibly interested in thechurch.
Right, when they come to us andthey're interested, but they
have concerns about certainthings.
We cannot swipe those thingsunder the rug.
We cannot try to hide them andgaslight people into saying no,
(29:06):
no, no, you this, there reallyis no concern or criticism here,
you know.
No, we have to be honestbecause because if we do try to
hide it under the rug, if we doswipe it under the rug, try to
gaslight someone, yeah, they,they might accept it then and
they might sure they might comeinto the church.
(29:28):
But what's going to happen whenthey realize they were lied to?
Do you really care about theirsoul when you lie to them?
How are they going to feelabout that?
I think we hear and I don't know, no one knows exactly how
(29:49):
accurate it is, but we do knowthat a large number of people
who come into RCIA, ocia,whatever it's called now, who
come into the church, leaveshortly after, whether it's a
year, two years, three years.
What the percentage is, youknow, people have thrown out
like 50% leave within a year.
That's probably not accurate.
(30:10):
It's probably 30% after two orthree years.
And yeah, a large number ofthose who do come into OCIA and
leave, they probably were therejust to convert, to get married
right, something like that.
That's true, but I think a goodportion could be people who are
(30:31):
gaslit into forgetting aboutcriticisms or concerns that they
had, who came into the churchthen but then realized later or
saw later that they were lied to, that whatever problem they
were concerned about was sweptunder the rug.
And then not only will theyleave, they will even be very
(30:58):
anti-Catholic at that point,right?
Or what happens when yougaslight someone, say under
Francis, who comes into thechurch under Francis, you
gaslight him about Francis beingthe most based pope ever.
Oh and Francis really, really,you know, really is super
(31:18):
orthodox about gay marriage andthis and that so forth.
But then they come in and theyrealize just how much of a
problem there really was in thatpapacy.
What's the best case scenario?
At that point they become asette, right?
I mean, you know Jesus, youknow our blessed Lord said that
(31:45):
he is the way, the truth and thelife.
He is the truth.
He does not want you togaslight people just to get them
into the church.
He does not want you to lie, todeceive, to sweep things under
the rugs.
The church can stand on its own.
It can stand as it is.
It does not need you to lieabout it.
(32:08):
It does not need you togaslight people about it.
Present it as it is, it isenough.
Right?
If you really believe it's thespotless bride of Christ, you
don't need to lie to peopleabout it.
Just be honest, otherwise youare going to sour people on the
church forever, just like SigSauer is doing with their
(32:30):
products.
Now, was this video made just soI could talk about guns?
Yeah, probably.
That's probably why I took likea week of rolling around in my
head, because I had to figureout how I could somehow talk
about guns on the channel.
Because I had to figure out howI could somehow talk about guns
(32:52):
on the channel.
But I do think there's alegitimate point to be made
there.
Just be honest.
Present the church as it is,it's enough.
I promise you it really is.
You really don't have to lieabout the bride of Christ to get
people to see what it is.
So that's what I have for youtoday, guys.
(33:13):
If the guns bored you, I'msorry.
I'm sorry, but I hope you allhave a good day and I'll see you
later.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.