December 24, 2025 • 60 mins
The night starts with chaos—copyright worries, a broken chair, and a mood hanging by a thread—and then shifts into something a lot more meaningful: a 10-day pilgrimage to Italy designed for depth, safety, and affordability. We walk through the route that blends history and holiness—Rome, Pompeii, Capri, Naples, Loreto, Lanciano, Assisi, Orvieto—and explain why we’re keeping it to one bus and targeting around four thousand dollars: intimacy over hype, substance over markup, and a chance for travelers who’ve hesitated to finally say yes.
From there, we step straight into the week’s storm around TPUSA and the conservative media world. What happens when movements turn into personality cults, when symbols become props, and when emotion is the product? We unpack how factional tribes—Candace, Tucker, Fuentes, BAP—monetize outrage and keep us scrolling, while core Christian realities like sin, penance, and the interior life get sidelined. The result is a culture war that looks spiritual but rarely calls for conversion. Our push is simple: trade spectacle for repentance, and public drama for real prayer and virtue.
We also tackle the pressure inside the Church: the fatigue of constant scandal, the unnatural posture of permanent suspicion toward the hierarchy, and the ache for true spiritual fatherhood. We’re not calling for theatrics or caricatures of masculinity; we’re asking for priests and bishops whose presence is steady, fatherly, and ordered to the salvation of souls. Finally, we confront the hot-button debates—Zionism, media narratives, and what can be questioned—arguing for honest inquiry without sensationalism and a theological lens that prioritizes human dignity, history, and clarity.
If you’re ready for a conversation that ditches performative outrage and aims at real renewal—plus a concrete way to encounter the sacred in Italy—hit play. And if this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review so more listeners can find the show.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:40):
This is what I get for not listening to the video.
SPEAKER_04 (00:43):
What first of now, Taffy, I don't know how many
times I have to tell you aboutmusic in the beginning of
videos, and I also don't knowwhy you want to go to war with
me.
If there's one more of those, wewill never be playing back in
the beginning again.
There's nothing funny aboutthat.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00):
Have you seen the John Hamm clip on Instagram and
stuff?
No, I have no idea what I've gotto do.
SPEAKER_04 (01:04):
It's the meme as a reference to no, not at all.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07):
Well, okay.
I your face is so similar toJohn Ham's.
I'm like, Tavy, put Ant's faceon it.
But the music was different.
It wasn't supposed to, I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_04 (01:19):
There should be no music in our intro videos.
SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
It is what gets us copyrighted.
SPEAKER_04 (01:25):
Every time every video gets a copyright strike,
and we don't get we don't get tomonetize the video.
Don't put music in the introvideos.
And I started off in a bad moodin the freaking green room
because my son's fat friend wasover my house and he broke my
freaking chair.
So I started in the green roomscreaming at my son before the
stupid show started, and Rob'ssitting there uncomfortable,
(01:47):
just like, what is going onright now?
Uh this is then I get I get toopen to that ridiculous video.
Taffy, this is not good.
I'm not happy with you rightnow, Taffy.
You starting on my side.
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
This is my fault, Taffy.
I told you what to do.
Well, not the music.
SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
No more Rob I'm not, you know, I started the day off
really happy, really excitedbecause I uh I announced that
we're finalizing the yeah, I'mlike I am Scrooge, he's Scrooge
tonight.
SPEAKER_03 (02:19):
Oh man, call me Marley.
SPEAKER_04 (02:24):
I I it was just like if you guys saw the what what
happened in the green roombefore we started, I came down.
I got to sit in my chair, andthis isn't my chair.
I grabbed the chair out of myson's.
This is and and like even thisone, it's not I don't my chair,
he broke the back of it, or hisfriends did, and I can't even
sit in the start.
I was flipping out screamingabout that.
Um, but um, I started off uh wewere finalizing the details on
(02:49):
the pilgrimage.
So the pilgrimage is going to beuh in December, and I put out I
just put out a tweet today aboutit, and I got a ton of people
responding, which is reallygood.
It's true.
(03:09):
I I'm like, Rob, how do I loginto my own my own email here?
I've only been paying for it forthree years.
Yeah, but you always tell me ifsomething important comes in.
So, all right, so here's thething we uh we are skipping San
Giovanni Rotundo because that'swhere all the Rupnik art is, and
we replaced that with Sorrentoand Capri.
(03:30):
So we're going from Rome, threedays in Rome, driving down to go
see Pompeii, the island of Caprior Capri.
Uh, we'll we'll hit Naples whilewe're down there.
For Nero, right?
I think so.
Uh well, Pompeii, I I can't waitto go to just because Pompeii,
uh like Memphis Hubius erupts in72 or 73 AD.
(03:54):
It's like right after maybe 80AD or something.
SPEAKER_03 (03:57):
79 AD.
SPEAKER_04 (03:58):
Yeah, something like that.
Right after the temple isdestroyed.
So we're gonna go, we're gonnago down there, see the ruins in
Pompeii, go to the island ofCapri, then we're gonna come up
and go head towards Assisi.
And on the way to Assisi, we'regonna stop in Loretto, we're
gonna stop at Lanciano, see theEucharistic miracle at Lanciano,
then we're gonna go to Assisi,we're gonna hit Orvieto.
There's a ton of stuff we'redoing.
(04:18):
We're gonna do it in December ofnext year, early December.
It's gonna be like November 30thto December 10th.
If anybody is interested, we'reonly gonna have like 30 spots
available because we're keepingit at one bus.
And I also want to make it waycheaper than any other
pilgrimage out there.
So, like Taylor Marshall isdoing his pilgrimage, it's like
(04:38):
5,300 bucks or something.
Joshua Charles, same thing, it'slike 5,300 bucks.
We're keeping this one aroundfour grand.
So, in order to do that, I'mgonna try.
I so, in order for me to get itas cheap as I can, I need to
know if we can fill the busbecause the more people that
come, the cheaper it could be.
But we're not going over onebus, we're keeping it at one
bus.
This way, here it's an intimatetrip.
It's gonna be an amazing time.
(05:00):
I'm hoping if there's likesingle girls that have always
wanted to visit Europe and areafraid to go on their own, like
you're gonna have a ton ofchivalrous men to look after
you, you'll be able to come feelsafe.
If there's single guys that wantto go, maybe meet a girl, maybe
that'll work up and uh we'll beable to set you guys up.
Either way, it's gonna be anamazing time.
If any age, I mean, honestly, wealready any age, I don't care,
(05:21):
but it's gonna be a really goodtime.
This discount should be sleepingon the streets.
Just the men, just the men.
Uh, we'll make sure the ladieshave beds, I promise.
You boys, you're getting cots,but uh no, it's gonna be an
amazing time.
It's gonna be 10 days in Italy.
We're gonna keep it as cheap aswe possibly can.
There's just from a tweet today,I got like 15 people that
(05:41):
emailed me and are interested.
There's only going to be 35spots that we give out to this
thing.
So once uh once if you areinterested, send me an email at
team at avoidingbabylon.com.
Team at avoidingbabylon.com.
It is going to be an amazingtime.
We're gonna have uh this is thecode for all this is all code
(06:02):
for there will be co sleeping.
Look, if you want to be cheap,you gotta share a bed.
I don't know.
No, it's not nobody's sharingthe opposite sex, nobody's
sharing beds.
Everything's gonna be fine,don't worry.
We're gonna we're gonna have anamazing time.
So um, all right, so that's justa quick release.
I don't, I don't even I can'teven give official details yet
because I need to know how manypeople are coming.
I'm going to try and keep thisthing around four grand, which
(06:24):
is unheard of.
Every other pilgrimage is atleast$1,300,$1,400 more
expensive.
Um, so yeah, team atavoidingbabylon.com if you guys
are interested.
So okay, so now the past week Ihave been watching the
unraveling of TP USA.
SPEAKER_03 (06:39):
Well, hold on.
Before we get we should do ourother stuff we gotta do.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (06:48):
Oh, that's my Q.
Well, I mean likes to talk, yes.
Um, okay, so also Requisantsellers.
If you guys oh are you wanna gothat first?
You want to go.
SPEAKER_03 (07:02):
Oh, that's requisite.
That's Requisants.
SPEAKER_04 (07:04):
Oh, that's Requisant?
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
That's right, yeah.
What is I have two separateones?
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Uh, yeah, I mean, I I think youguys missed the Christmas
deadline unless you overnight itor something, but even then, I
think it's gonna be too late forthat.
But New Year's Eve is coming up,and then we'll have probably
have another big push forValentine's Day, but you guys
can still get it in for NewYear's Eve.
Um, also, uh, we have uh companythat's potato chip company is
(07:59):
interested in sponsoring.
So we'll give them a free pre,we'll give them a free freebie
tonight.
But fat thins, they're aMinnesota company.
They just sent me, I just gotmine today.
I didn't even taste them yet,but Rob said they're really
good.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
They are on, and I this is 100% honest, the best
potato chip I've ever had.
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Well, I haven't tried them yet, so I can't I
can't back that claim up yet.
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They are just three ingredients it's potatoes, sea
salt, and beef tallow.
No seed oils, nothing like that,and it's the best tasting chip
I've ever had.
Like we were already filled awhole bag.
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They got a free plug from us tonight, but hopefully
they'll uh they'll decide tojump on board.
And we're also hoping to bringon Black Mont Groceries in
January.
They they had mentioned someinterest.
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And we have a special Lenten sponsor
potentially.
Did I even tell you this one?
No, a um a company calledshoplobster.com.
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Oh, that's right.
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You did tell me they ship lobster meat out of Maine,
and they're thinking they wouldwant to be a Lenten sponsor.
SPEAKER_04 (08:58):
All right, we're giving tons of free promos out
tonight.
Let's get back to the show now.
No, I don't know.
One last promo is if the it'sChristmas, it's the end of the
year.
If you guys enjoy our show andyou would like to support us,
it's basically just a Christmasgift.
It's not really a fundraiser,we're not raising funds for
anything, but we had a veryexpensive December.
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So if you guys would like to we had a paying an
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Yeah, so we we we we we spent a little bit of money
this month, but uh it would benice for end of the year
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scan that little thing.
Rob's got up in the corner, andyou could uh you guys could
throw us a couple couple shekelsfor uh for for all the enjoyment
you get out of us.
All right, so now on to thetopic at hand.
Um my wife just texted me, babe.
(09:47):
You threw you through the chairacross the room.
Was your mic on when you werescreaming?
Yes, yeah, but it was just tome.
It was just I that heard thewhole awkward.
Rob's the only one that heard meyelling.
Um can I tip if I don't likeyour show?
Yes.
Okay, so for the past week, I'vebeen watching the unraveling of
TP USA.
(10:08):
Um, it is kind of a bizarrespectacle to watch.
Um, it started off, it had BenShapiro giving the opening
speech, and he basically toldeverybody that they are cowards
for not condemning TuckerCarlson and Nick Fuentes and
Candace Owens.
And then every speaker afterthat basically came and said,
(10:30):
Shut up, Ben, don't tell us whatwe have to do.
So it's it just seemed um turnthe tip QR back on, please.
Oh, it's on the screen rightnow.
Thank you, Emily, very much.
Um, it was just this reallybizarre thing.
But I also um I caught anepisode of uh the two cities
podcast, Steve's podcast theother day.
SPEAKER_05 (10:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:51):
And he interviewed this guy.
Um I I forgot his name.
I feel terrible now.
I think his name was uh I thinkhe went with um it's like a it's
a pen name, Augustine something.
Uh something Dante DanteAugustine or something like
that.
(11:12):
I'm sorry.
Go check out Theo's podcast.
But he basically gave his wholethesis on how all of these
podcasters are just the giantpsyop.
And all of the stuff we'reseeing is just K-fade, like it's
all just a big circus, and eachone of these podcasters that
have like millions and millionsof subscribers, they're all kind
(11:33):
of set in the mold for eachperson's temperament.
Like, some people are like youcan see Candaces fans, they're
like diehard Candace fans.
Same thing with Fuentes, likethey're diehard Fuentes fans,
and you get diehard Tucker fans,and you and you have everybody
just kind of at war with eachother, and everybody's emotions
being manipulated, and it'smultiple like small cults of
(11:55):
personality all against eachother, and and not one of them,
and especially like it reallymade me think when I saw Jack
the Sobic come up with hisrosary like this at the TPUSA
event, just this weird emotionalmanipulation that they're doing,
and they're all it's it's reallystrange how you have all these
different Christian factionsforming, right?
(12:18):
So you have the Catholicsforming and you have the
reformed and you have theZionists, and it's like this
inter-Christian squabble that'sgoing on right now, and not any
none of the Catholics are reallytalking about the real root of
the problem, which is sin, theflesh, and the devil, right?
Right?
Like they're all it's all thisemotional manipulation, but none
(12:41):
of them are actually getting tothe root of how the whole
problem can get fixed, which isbasically just penance and you
know, uh getting into yourspiritual life and things like
that.
So it it it all really does seemlike theater, this whole thing
with the hair coming out of theworld.
SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
They don't even have works for the most part.
Most of them don't even havelike secular solutions to
problems.
SPEAKER_04 (13:03):
All they care about is harping on the problems and
riling people up, and tearingother shows down and like going
at each other, and it's um likethe the he went into like even
certain types of personalities,like the the hardcore weight
lifter kind of guy who's likeobsessed with the gym, check the
(13:25):
early life of Men Shapiro everysingle time.
Um uh the like the the BAP guys,the the bronze age pervert guy,
like all and and they get theseyoung guys into niche.
Yeah they're like you know, andthey get obsessed with with
weight lifting, and it's justall of these different different
(13:48):
factions of now.
These people may not havenecessarily gone in and
intentionally became this psyop,but eventually they start
getting bribed or this thingsgot like you you saw Russell
Brand today, uh got charged withum a rape accusation from like
well a few more in addition towhat he's already been charged
(14:10):
with from like 26 years ago,though.
It's kind of it's kind of absurdto charge somebody um with
something from the Bajarianslant.
Well, I will say this because Inever knew that's where Bajarian
was coming from until I heardthis podcast, and it's like, oh,
he's just a cliche Ranji'spervert guy.
(14:34):
He's just he's justregurgitating that stuff.
I get it now.
I'm not knocking Bajarian.
I literally love Bujarian, butthat is that is their the kind
of the thing, and they get theyget each person tuned to their
temperament and theirpersonality to jump on board
with one of these personalities,and they all have like millions
(14:56):
of followers, and it's all andit's really just a way for like
um uh what was he?
Uh what's oh like like Kabbalah,like to really just like
manipulate people's emotions andkeep them in certain camps.
Now, I don't know how much ofthat is true, but it does seem
like the whole thing is theaterat this point, like everything
from politics to like it seemedlike a prolonged MAGA rally, the
(15:21):
CPUSA event.
SPEAKER_03 (15:22):
That's what it was.
SPEAKER_04 (15:23):
It was really bizarre, right?
That they're they're coming out,and Erica Kirk is already
basically crowning JD Vance asthe candidate for 2028, and it's
just a lot of weird stuff goingon right now.
And I I'm I don't know, man.
I just I just see everythingcoming apart at the seams.
Like the the whole civil warwithin the right seems very
(15:46):
manipulated, and even us talkingabout some of the things that
we're talking about gettingcaught up into it, the fact that
we're all like because even BenShapiro coming up and trying to
make it like he's upset becauseTucker won't condemn Puentes and
Candace, uh but really all thishas to do with is Zionism, yeah,
(16:08):
and that is that is the issue athand, it's like front and
center, and no matter how muchpeople try to move on from that
topic, it's like it just keepsgetting brought up, and it seems
like they want this topicdiscussed ad nauseum, which
Charlie Kirk the Catacone.
That's a good theory.
(16:29):
Yeah, but he was certainlyrestraining something.
His wife.
SPEAKER_05 (16:36):
Oh my gosh, that might be the funniest line, but
also the most terrible at theexact same time.
Oh my goodness, I cannot believehe just came out of the line.
I couldn't help it.
I'm sorry, Charlie Kirk wasrestraining something in his
(16:58):
wife.
Holy cow.
Guys, it just came out.
I'm sorry, Rob.
SPEAKER_04 (17:07):
Every so often you just drop a gem on everybody,
man.
SPEAKER_03 (17:12):
It was not great.
I mean it was, but that wasn'tgreat.
SPEAKER_04 (17:15):
No, because the Erica Kirk stuff plays into it
too.
Because I brought Erica Kirk uplast night in my so all right.
So last night my daughterswanted to watch a Christmas
movie.
So we're we're watching um theSanta Claus, and uh the Santa
Claus is on, and as soon as TimAllen's character gets to the
North Pole, the first thing yousee is the head elf is a Jew
(17:36):
named Bernard.
It's like really strange.
He's like, My name's Bernard.
SPEAKER_05 (17:41):
Um like he's like a New York Jew.
It's well, the funniest part iswhen uh Tim Allen goes, Barabbas
calls him.
SPEAKER_04 (17:48):
He's like calls himself Barnabas, which Barnabas
is one of the apostles, not thenot he's not one of the
apostles, but he's yeah, yeah,so Barnabas is connected with
the apostles, but he's he's likecalling him all these Jewish
names, and then at the end ofthe movie, the wife was such a
bad actress to the whole movie,and she starts crying.
(18:10):
And I go, Oh, she's a betteractress than Erica Kirk.
Just as like an off-handedcomment, you know.
And my daughters go, Dad,there's something wrong with
that woman.
And I'm like, wait a minute,what how do you guys even know
about Erica Kirk?
They're like, we need to showyou something.
They took me through like allthese reels of Erica Kirk last
night.
They're like, look at her eyes.
There's something off with hereyes, there's something off with
(18:31):
this woman.
And I'm like, wow, I don't knowwhat's going on in my house
right now.
So it all really does just seemlike this performative theater,
the everything, the Erica Kirkstuff, the the Pasobic stuff is
weird, man.
I don't know, because like youyou want to support other
(18:51):
Catholics, but him coming outwith the rosary, like it's I
don't know, man.
SPEAKER_03 (18:55):
I it's a weird event for it, right?
SPEAKER_04 (18:59):
I mean it's just strange, the whole thing is just
weird, and then you you tie inthings like um I the first thing
I think I sent you from thislatest round of insane things I
sent you.
Um it should yeah, uh it shouldbe underneath the the new New
(19:20):
York Bishop video.
SPEAKER_03 (19:22):
Everything's underneath it.
SPEAKER_04 (19:23):
That too was the first one underneath that too.
I I have to even address thatfor a second because I took I
took my video from work downthat was on the channel.
SPEAKER_03 (19:36):
Um I took it, I took it down just man, I was like,
You didn't want your uncleseeing you doing yeah, no, not
my uncle, not that uncle.
SPEAKER_04 (19:44):
It was it's because I got to see family on Christmas
Eve.
Oh.
Like I didn't feel likeexplaining it to like because I
have normie family membersthat'll come across stuff
sometimes, and I was like, letme just take this one down,
because I don't feel likeexplaining this one.
But because that'll tie into therumors about Baron's account
(20:06):
getting hacked.
Um yeah, so I a couple of daysago I had somebody reach out to
me and send me the images ofBaron's Facebook.
And it's per apparently it's hispersonal account.
And on his personal account, hewas liking some weird stuff.
Let's just say that.
SPEAKER_03 (20:25):
The account was liking some weird stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (20:28):
Yeah, the account was liking some weird stuff.
So somebody sent me all this andall the screenshots and stuff,
and I was just like what what amI like?
It was right after I did thevideo of the New York Bishop,
which if you didn't see it, Idon't know what to tell you
guys.
It it wasn't kind.
Um, so I think this personthought, like, oh, he's
(20:50):
criticizing this in thehierarchy, like, let me send
them this.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Yeah, you don't want to be that guy everyone goes to.
SPEAKER_04 (20:56):
I don't, I really don't.
And the stuff that that Barron'saccount was liking was like in
line with you know stuff likethat.
So I was like, I'm not gonna gonear this, like, I'm just gonna
leave it alone.
And then the next day, somebodyelse came out showing all the
things, and then Word on Firecomes out and says that Barron's
account was hacked, and it'slike maybe, but if it wasn't,
(21:22):
like you can't be lying likethat.
Like, that's a flat out lie ifit wasn't.
And if it was, what does itmean?
It's just it's just a reallystrange situation, like yeah,
we're we're all just sittingback and watching all this stuff
happen in the hierarchy.
SPEAKER_03 (21:42):
Like, I have always waiting for the other shoe to
drop.
SPEAKER_04 (21:45):
Always, and it's part of me thinks the
appointment of Hicks wasintentional because he's on the
softer side, like like theflagship diocese of the United
States, essentially, he's gonnabe in the news all the time.
Like Dolan was constantly on FoxNews, he's constantly in the
(22:08):
limelight, and that thatposition is that, and it's like
the this softer man who kind ofspeaks with with he speaks with
like the like the cliche gaylisp.
He kind of does, like there's noother way to say it, and for
(22:28):
that guy to be the one that'salways on the news and stuff, it
seems like it's intentional tolike just give this image off of
the church.
So, like, my my my mind is justlike going there, and I'm just
so like, oh my goodness, man.
Like, can we just please havesome some men in the priesthood?
(22:48):
And people people were accusingme of like wanting some like
masculine, like LARP of a man,you know, and that's not what
I'm looking for.
Like, I don't I don't need somecaricature of masculinity as a
priest.
That's not at all.
SPEAKER_03 (23:02):
Like, it doesn't matter if a man is soft spoken,
it's gonna say some of themanliest priests I've ever known
were very soft-spoken.
SPEAKER_04 (23:08):
Soft spoken is totally fine.
What what we're looking for ismen who have like a real
spiritual fatherhood at the coreof their being, where sometimes
that that entails being a littlestern about something, saying
no, um, and just and justpresenting like true true
(23:30):
masculinity, not not a LARP, nota caricature of masculinity,
just like a real masculinepresence that and and someone
who actually cares about thewell-being of souls.
Like we just we just haven't hadreal fathers in such a long time
that it gets disheartening whenyou see this stuff.
You you're seeing theseaccusations against Baron coming
(23:52):
in.
Like Baron's supposedly one ofthe good guys, and you're like,
even the good guys are lookingat Brazilian men's feet, like
that's that's where we're at.
Like, like, what's going on,man?
I don't know.
So that that's I don't know howI got on this.
That's it, I get on.
Oh, I'm not sure either.
(24:13):
I it well, part of the charade,like the show, like the charade
of everything.
It just it feels like him beingput in there is meant to
demoralize because when theyasked Pope Leo why did they put
him in there, he was like, Oh, Ican't answer that right now.
Like they the reporter askedhim, Why'd you pick Hicks to be
in New York?
And he kind of seemed like hewas caught off guard.
He was like, I I can't answerthat right now.
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So, you know, it's just I'm I'mnot trying to how is this
calumny?
SPEAKER_03 (24:43):
It's not, is it?
I don't think it's calumny.
Not at all.
SPEAKER_04 (24:46):
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
You haven't made any claims.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
I'm not I'm not even I'm I'm talking about image and
just like how we present as achild.
I and and there's this there'sthis idea that like orthodoxy is
this masculine thing, and that'swhy young men are flocking to
orthodoxy and stuff.
It's like if we don't put somereal men at the helm of some of
these things, or some some realmen in positions of even
(25:12):
visibility, I don't know howwe're supposed to attract men
because you need men to convert.
Like, there's a reason Christchose 12 men as a bot, and he
didn't just choose 12 men, hechose 12 like blue-collar guy,
like fishermen.
You ever see fishermen?
Fishermen are like some of themost rugged dudes you ever come
across, like that, you know, andit's because there's a presence
(25:36):
about men like that.
It's kind of people werepointing out that my video was
like, I'm a construction guyfrom a big machine, like talking
about the effeminatepresentation of the latest
bishop and stuff.
It but and I wasn't even tryingto, I didn't even think about
that when I did it.
I was just at work and I sawthat video and I was like, oh
(25:57):
man, let me just say this.
But yeah, I I think I think thatum the way things are being
presented right now, it's it canbe disheartening.
Definitely can.
It's not it's not it's not easyto you're right.
Like it feels like the shoe, theother shoe is always going to
drop as a cat.
Like you're waiting for the nextscandal to break, you're waiting
for it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:16):
I mean, that could lead into you're you're what
you're always waiting for yourhero, whoever that is, to have
some sort of scandal.
SPEAKER_04 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, oh man.
Um, so all right, so we can go afew places with this.
Uh, so that first clip I putunderneath is this bizarre rant
from um what what what whatpastor is this?
Uh Greg Laurie.
(26:44):
This is Greg Laurie.
SPEAKER_03 (26:46):
Is it the healthcating white Zionist one?
SPEAKER_04 (26:48):
Listen to how insane this is that he says what he
says here.
SPEAKER_03 (26:51):
Okay, so it's that one.
SPEAKER_04 (26:52):
Yeah, let's go with Greg Laurie first.
Because we got a few videoswe'll go over here.
These are pretty nuts, some ofthem.
SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
Give me a second to get it set up here.
SPEAKER_04 (27:04):
Yeah, this is the forms of Christianity that are
being presented right now arepretty outrageous.
And this this one is definitelyone of them where the the way
these Zionists think is thatlisten to him.
I mean, it sounds like he'ssaying Jewish blood has salvific
(27:28):
value.
SPEAKER_01 (27:29):
And and I think it's so important because I'm not uh
Jewish, I'm a gentile.
And when I did my 23 in mediatest, I was hoping because
there's some Jewish blood in mesomewhere.
And I found out I I'm hopelesslyGentile.
I am like, I am white trash.
I'm just well, no, I'm I'mScottish and Irish.
(27:50):
And and I said, you know, mylove for the Jewish people came
after I came into a relationshipwith Jesus Christ.
I was a confused kid going thewrong way in life.
I heard about Jesus.
I began to read the Bible, learnyour history.
That's where my love came foryou and for the book that came
through you.
Everything we have came throughthe Jewish people.
(28:11):
I'm not Jewish.
I wouldn't what I did one ofthose 23andMe tests.
I was hoping, you know, I havesome Jewish black.
Well, I don't think about whatthese people are saying.
He can just sort of toss it offthere.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Like he's like, uh, well, that uh uh Rachel Dolzell,
yeah, pretending to be black.
SPEAKER_04 (28:34):
It's that is some psychotic thinking, especially
when you read the New Testamentat all.
Like the whole point of it isthat we like you are you are
sons of the promise throughfaith, and not like these are
the people telling you faith notworks.
That's just insane, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:54):
These these are the people telling you it's faith
not works, will save you, andthey're like yet.
They they think they can besaved by coming up with all
these weird, crazy workaroundsfor Saturdays.
SPEAKER_04 (29:05):
Oh my gosh, man, because all of this goes to the
the weird Shabbat Shalom stuffthat Erica Kirk is doing, and
the the like all of this stuffis so strange that it's all
happening now, right?
Like, I don't I don't know, man.
The TP USA stuff is bizarre,man.
When when you when you thinkabout what the whole point of
(29:29):
the of the arguing on stage isreally about, like the whole
thing is about Israel, it's whatit comes down to.
All of this tension is built uparound and all these different
factions fighting and and Tuckercoming out with I'm not
anti-Semitic, but I'm with thewith the uh I'm just against the
state of Israel stuff.
And I I feel like very fewpeople are talking about very
(29:54):
few of the Christians that areeven uh against the Zionist
stuff.
Like there's plenty of peopletalking about how the Jews are
behind this and they're behindthat, and and it gets very
conspiratorial, but very fewpeople talk about like the way
the story plays out.
Like we have there's very fewpeople talking about how how we
(30:18):
we may view them innocently, butthey don't view us innocently,
like like the way we havehandled this conversation, I
think, is probably one of thebetter ways.
SPEAKER_03 (30:28):
Like on the the anti-Israel side, you or I don't
even like phrasing it that way,but you have the people that are
only um anti-state of Israel,right?
Someone like say Eric Salmons,for instance.
Then you have the people who goway too far, or I don't wouldn't
necessarily want to say too far,but go way far into the
conspiracy world, like Candace.
(30:50):
But you're right, that very fewpeople are looking at it from
like a a theological sort ofperspective.
SPEAKER_04 (30:56):
Yeah, that's it.
It's um oh man, is this the newthing I'm saying now?
Is this to be fair?
No, I think that's me.
This one, I don't know, I don'tknow, man.
I don't know, man.
Guys, look, we all have verbalcrutches, all right.
I don't know what to tell you.
Um, all right, so let's do youwant to do salmon's article?
All right, I don't care, Ididn't read it.
I did the way you said that.
(31:19):
I love reading salmon'sarticles.
I love me a good Eric Salmonsarticle.
SPEAKER_03 (31:24):
Uh yeah, I I I didn't know if I wanted to read
that one or uh Kennedy Hall'sthird uh screed against Nick
Fuentes in the last week or two.
I don't I don't know what he'sgoing for there.
SPEAKER_04 (31:37):
I don't know if he's I don't know.
I'm not gonna whatever.
But um the the Eric Salmons one,he's basically reiterating what
he's reiterated a thousandtimes.
But this one is why I'm uhtraditionalist sorta.
So the whole beginning of thearticle goes through like the
good things about being atraditionalist, and basically it
comes down to like the TLM anduh living, you know, traditional
(31:58):
devotions, all that stuff wewould agree with.
So scroll down.
Um, we don't have to read allthis.
This is not where the good stuffis.
Um keep going past when I firststarted.
Um another reason I'm a trad.
Okay, so okay, go back up to goup to it's not a natural state,
okay, and zoom in on that.
(32:18):
Okay.
Um, okay, so this is where hestarts getting into why he's
sort of Catholic.
So traditionalist, it's simplynot a natural state of being a
Catholic to be in a constantstate of conflict with the
hierarchy.
I realize there has been onehistorical instance when this is
necessary for centuriarianism,and we may be in such a period
now, but to recognize howdiscordant it is as Catholics,
(32:39):
our default should be acceptanceof what the hierarchy teaches
and practices, yet for Trads, itbecomes uh it's become the
opposite.
Literally, everything said bythe Pope and the bishops is held
in suspicion.
I kind of agree with him.
SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
I I do agree with him up to this point, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (32:52):
Like there is something unnatural about
constantly being at odds withthe hierarchy.
And and this is what goes to yousaying, like, you're you feel
like you're always waiting forthe other shoe to drop.
So, like you do have this air ofsuspicion uh from everything in
the hierarchy now, and that'snot a good state, like it's it's
really not.
You should you you know, youshould default to obedience and
(33:14):
you should default to trust inthe public.
It's just it things are just soinsane right now.
Um, which is why like we'vetended to not even discuss the
hierarchy, and that's that'sanother reason why I took that
video down, is because I I kindof went against what I said,
like I kind of just don't evenwant to discuss them.
So I'll agree with him on thisstuff, like um, like having that
(33:37):
critical spirit.
So, all right, let's scroll downand we'll get into when he
starts getting into theconspiracy stuff.
Um, so another area that makesme only sort of a traditionalist
is the common and increasinglystrident opposition to the Jews
found in traditionalistcommunities.
Now, I myself have been called abitter anti-Semite.
(33:59):
I don't know why.
I really don't know why.
He eric has like some of themost like milked toast views on
Israel.
Of you know, he's he's he hasthe um libertarian view that we
shouldn't give money to thestate of Israel, which I don't I
don't know.
So I'm no Zionist.
In fact, I believe Zionism to bea heresy, but there's a
(34:20):
distinction to be made betweenthose who oppose the modern
political entity of Israel andthose who suggest are even
outright state.
The Jews control the world orthe primary cause of most of
today's problems.
Yeah, um but the Jews do run theworld, and there are the yes,
like, but I understand notwanting to go down that road
constantly.
(34:40):
Like, I don't, you know, I don'tknow if that's a trad thing,
though.
And like he says here, he's liketwo of the most public figures,
and that can't be Michael Jonesand Nick Toentas are decidedly
not traditionalists.
So this that's not a trad thing.
No, I don't think it is, atleast.
I mean, that may be somethingthat trads do discuss, but it's
more just from a historicalperspective of understanding
(35:03):
what what the role of of theJews has been because they were
dispersed amongst the nations,like they they were limited in
what they were allowed to do.
There are they if you wanted toborrow money in in the Middle
Ages, you were not allowed tolend money as a Catholic, you
had to go to a Jew to borrowmoney.
Now they would lend at 40%interest, which was insane, you
(35:26):
know, and that's where likeusury laws came into pre play.
And you would actually get likeum kings would come in and wind
up borrowing money from fromJews at 40% interest, and then
they'd wind up like uh not beingable to pay the loan off or
reneging on the deal, and thenthat would eventually lead to a
war, and you'd have expulsion ofthe Jews, expulsion of the Jews,
(35:49):
one of the two.
So you'd either expel the Jewsbecause you don't want to pay
them, or the Jews would havesome kind of manipulative
authority over you, and they'dbe like, Go do our go do this
for us to pay off the debt.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
And like that's kind of like the Rothschilds with uh
the British monarchy.
SPEAKER_04 (36:05):
Yeah, I mean, that's actually what happened, right?
So to say that that's not aconspiracy, that's like that's
what happened, right?
So bring bring it back up.
We'll keep going through it.
Um, because he he gets into uhuh uh the most distasteful
example, distasteful example ofthis delusion of Jewish control
is conspiracy theories intendedto deny the reality of the
(36:27):
Holocaust and to defend Hitler,in spite of the fact that
Catholic heroes such as uh St.
Maximilian Colby, servant ofGod, St.
Terez, uh Therese Newman andDietrich von Hildebrandt,
ironically, a godfather of thetraditional movement, were
adamantly opposed to Nazism andconsidered it demonic to its
core.
Too many Trads go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (36:45):
I was gonna the irony of him putting Saint
Maximilian Colby in this is thatEric would call Saint Maximilian
Colby an anti-Semite for hisviews on the Jews in Jewish
power.
SPEAKER_05 (36:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:58):
Because St.
Maximilian Colby literally uhquote like he quoted from the
pro the Protocols of the Eldersof Zion.
Like, is he anti-Semite, Eric?
SPEAKER_04 (37:10):
Yeah, and the the thing is, I don't like I don't
um there probably were some goodthings that Hitler tried to do,
but yeah, no, I don't thinkwe're I don't think we're pretty
praising.
SPEAKER_03 (37:23):
I've never heard any Catholic like actually defending
Hitler or Nazism.
SPEAKER_04 (37:27):
Yeah, and even when Fuentes does it, he's kind of
like being ironic and talkingabout like the aura, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (37:34):
He's like he's doing it to force the overton window,
you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (37:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's not like you know.
Um, so um, for example,traditionalist priest father
James Maudsley and his followershave suggested that the Nazi gas
chambers were not used to killJews in spite of almost
overwhelming eyewitness andother evidence.
What other so this is what we'regetting into because some of the
conversations that are startingto be had are like were those
(38:02):
eyewitness accounts coerced?
And the idea behind can you evenquestion this stuff?
Like that that's and and andEric doing this kind of
reinforces people that it's likeit's like oh the evil of even
questioning these things, andsimply you're just asking
questions, but it's clear fromtheir line of inquiry that they
(38:22):
they wish to downplay or evendeny that I don't wish to
downplay or deny somethinghappened if it happened.
Like I actually wish to get tothe facts of the matter and to
the truth of it, and that's likeactually what we've been trying
to do.
So, and his followers, he'stalking about us, yeah, I would
think so.
Um, I mean, this can so, andthen he gets into uh the stuff
(38:47):
about the moon landing.
Um, so since the time thatthere's arisen throughout the
world and throughout the churchan attitude that one cannot
criticize Jews for any reasonwhatsoever.
Any such criticism is the firststep, so the argument goes to
another Holocaust, that'sridiculous, and further has led
to special status for Jews.
One that is understandablyresented by a growing number of
people, yet denying historicaltruths is a reactionary and
(39:10):
decidedly non-Catholic response.
SPEAKER_03 (39:12):
You haven't shown it's a historical truth.
All you've done is say that youcan't question whether it's an
historical truth.
SPEAKER_04 (39:17):
Yeah, and and you said there's eyewitness accounts
and other evidence, but I meanthat's kind of yeah, I don't I
don't I don't know where to Idon't even know what to do with
this.
Um yeah, I don't even know whatto do with this.
It's like it's it's like he Ithink Eric just wants to be
comfortable in um criticizingthe state of Israel, but not
(39:41):
actually discussing any kind ofenmity between Jews and and
Christians, right?
Like there's just that's noteven on the table for him.
Because we we had Eric on and wetried to discuss that with him,
and it was just like aconversation that wasn't allowed
to be had.
So that can that can lead toGavin Ashenden and what he said
about us.
SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
Wait, what did he say about us?
SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Um, oh, you didn't see that?
I'll send it.
Hang on.
SPEAKER_03 (40:05):
Did you have you already sent it?
SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
I don't think I sent it there, but um I will hang on.
Let's see.
SPEAKER_03 (40:13):
Okay, so I will send this to you know, it's important
to note that in the earliesteyewitness testimony, like from
uh LE Vies ellen stuff, there isno mention of uh gas chambers at
Auschwitz.
SPEAKER_04 (40:27):
Well, that's what we talked with um E Michael Jones
about.
E.
Michael Jones about.
And like what what originallythe Holocaust narrative was was
about Dachau or Dasho, right?
I don't know how to pronounceit.
Dachau.
Dachau.
So that there were um that therewere Catholic priests there
because Hitler hated Catholics.
(40:48):
Like Hitler hated Catholics, andhe sent all these Catholic
priests to Dachau, and he wasstarving them.
So they prayed, uh they prayed anovena or yeah, they prayed a
novena to our lady, and by theend of the novena, uh Goebbels
or somebody told told them,like, you cannot starve these
priests, you have to feed them,and then eventually these
(41:09):
priests get out.
Now, after the Holocaust, thatis the narrative.
It's like that there's meaningto suffering, that prayer and
penance that that that war islike a punishment for sin, and
that there's meaning to thatsuffering that comes, and that
penance can lead to to um oh no,oh, I'm sorry.
(41:31):
Atheism, like uh war was likethe punishment for atheism,
right?
Because atheism was growing inGermany, right?
And and uh and and that like soit go back and watch our E.
Michael Jones interview, itreally was enlightening because
I had never even heard any ofthat.
So then, and then after that,then you know they they can gain
control of the narrative andthey start changing it to, you
(41:53):
know, even the idea of callingit a Holocaust, like you're
you're talking about like JesusChrist is the Holocaust, like He
is the final burnt offering.
SPEAKER_06 (42:08):
Did Anthony freeze for everyone?
SPEAKER_03 (42:15):
Okay, you back?
SPEAKER_04 (42:18):
Yeah, I he lost me for a second.
Um, so all right, so we'll we'llgo to Gavin Ashenden.
I just sent it.
I got it.
Okay, so Gavin continues to takesubtle jabs at us and now
implies that we're morallycomplicit for the attacks in
Bondi because we platform FatherMosley.
So Catholic media and moralcomplicity.
There should not be, shouldthere not be some episcopal
(42:38):
repudiation of a celebratedtraditionalist priest who makes
his name and sells his books byclaiming the Jews falsify the
Holocaust numbers to galvanizepolitical sympathy for their
nationalistic ambitions.
SPEAKER_03 (42:48):
First off, right away, that's a straight up lie.
His books have nothing to dowith the Holocaust narrative.
SPEAKER_04 (42:55):
Yeah, they really don't at all.
SPEAKER_03 (42:57):
Well, that's just a straight up lie, Gavin.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Um, and uh, but the thing is, like even if
everything happened exactly theway they claimed, they still do
galvanize political sympathy fortheir nationalistic ambitions
with it.
Right?
Like they do that.
So I mean, Coder is describingthe Holocaust as the biggest lie
(43:22):
in history.
The Holocaust didn't happen,he'll say things like that.
Uh, he challenges the wordanti-Semitism with one report
describing his view that it iscompletely meaningless, and that
history describing the Holocaustor the church's post-Vatican II
reforms is misused or beingweaponized against traditional
Catholics, it's being weaponizedagainst the entire church.
SPEAKER_03 (43:39):
I mean, anti-Semitism, that word is
completely meaningless becauseof people like you, Gavin
Ashenden.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_04 (43:47):
Yeah, uh, YouTube and X periodically remove him in
his pro remove him in protest.
In response, some British andAmerican Catholic podcasters and
Catholic media.
So this is a shot at CatholicUnscripted and us, and probably
Theo and Theo.
Yeah, if if he comes across hisradar.
So uh British and AmericanCatholic podcasters and Catholic
(44:07):
media platforms coily offer hima voice on their outlets,
ostensibly to offer views onliturgy and ethics, but in fact,
deliberately choosing to givehim oxygen and further pub pub
publicity for his denial.
Um, yeah, I mean, we've straightup just talked to him about it.
I'm not I'm not coily doinganything.
Like I've just had FatherMaudsley on.
(44:29):
Like, I and it's not the thediscussing the liturgy stuff is
kind of gets to the ball tiedinto it, and it and actually the
the the the denial, if you wantto call it that, is to me
actually one of the like whetheror not it happened or didn't
happen, uh the story of it, trueor not, is being used in the way
(44:52):
it's being used.
SPEAKER_03 (44:53):
It was used to get the Catholic Church to change
her liturgy, to change herteachings.
It's being used in daily life toget everyone to bow down to the
the state of Israel, you know.
So whether it happened or not,that's for me that's secondary.
To we gotta the story has tolose its power in our lives,
yeah.
(45:14):
Then maybe we can maybe then wecan objectively figure out what
actually happened, and have likea rational conversation around
things.
SPEAKER_04 (45:24):
Um and um yeah, it's oh man.
Uh and then he and then he wroteanother one that's uh uh so he
also says uh that the church hasa history of anti-Semitism.
Oh, this is crazy.
So he also seems to be sayingthat the church has a history of
anti-Semitism and that Catholichatred of Jews is what led to
the Holocaust.
Um, okay, so let's read what heactually says.
(45:44):
There have been, and tragicallystill are, some deep and
unpleasant rivers ofanti-Semitism running through
the Catholic Church.
There is no need to look deeplyinto his the history of the West
and the Church's record ofanti-Semitism.
There's no need to look deeplyinto it.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (45:59):
The next one's disgusting.
SPEAKER_04 (46:02):
It's culminated with the Holocaust.
SPEAKER_03 (46:04):
So he's saying the church's anti-Semitism may like
is is culminated in theHolocaust.
SPEAKER_04 (46:11):
Yes, ought to provide a shock greater than any
of the combined horrors of ourhistory.
The mirror the Holocaust holdsup to our face rightly exposes
our constant vulnerability toscapegoating and ethnic hatred.
SPEAKER_03 (46:23):
No, it first that that first paragraph, I swear I
have read that exact paragraphwritten by numerous liberals.
You know what I mean?
Like, like that is that is aliberal atheist position right
there.
Could could have come from themouth of your average uh lesbian
Anglican bishop, Gavin.
I thought you left that church.
SPEAKER_04 (46:44):
Man, it's just like I I don't I don't know what um I
don't know because the wholething like that you're that you
saw happen at TP USA comes downto this.
It's like there's unless you'redoing what Gavin's doing, you're
going to be accused ofanti-Semitism, right?
So Megan Kelly is like flat outa Zionist.
(47:05):
She's like, Oh, I support thestate of Israel.
I do that.
But like I think maybe maybe youguys should like tone down the
rhetoric here.
She's an anti-Semite, she's acow.
Like, that's where we're at,where it's the accusation of
anti-Semite is just thrown ateverybody now, everything.
And it doesn't matter what youactually think.
And and part of me thinksthey're doing that on purpose.
(47:26):
Like they're they're not stupid,right?
They know that they're purposelythey're they're turning people
off with what they're doing, andit's it almost seems
intentional, like they're tryingto rile people up, and they're
trying to get these things tolike that.
I don't know, man.
It just a lot of it seems likeshow show like a show to me.
(47:48):
It's uh it's it's all just verybizarre.
So yeah, so you know theaccusations from from Gavin.
Um I don't know.
I I'm uh try trying to justhandle this conversation in a
way that doesn't seem like we'reconspiracy theorists or anything
(48:11):
like that.
Like I don't I don't know how Idon't know how else you go about
this conversation.
Like I I go into it with an openmind.
Um I want if we're Catholic,like I want to hold the Catholic
position on this.
But when you look into what thechurch has always taught on
this, it's very consistent up toa very specific period in time,
and that's the war.
Once World War II happens, it'slike the Catholic position just
(48:32):
kind of gets deflated.
It doesn't even change, it justgets deflated.
And then after Nostra Tate, allwe're talking about is God wills
the diversity of religions andthe Abrahamic faith house and
things like that.
It's I I don't know, man.
Like I how how do people not seethe connection there?
(48:53):
I don't know.
That's all I see is theconnection there.
SPEAKER_03 (48:57):
You know, and and I mean, uh, I'll say that I I
still fall on the side that likesomething like the Holocaust
happened, you know, that theNazis did that the Nazis did
target and and purposefully killJews.
SPEAKER_04 (49:12):
And that doesn't mean I'm gonna turn in camps and
did all that.
Yeah, that's right, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (49:17):
But that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit back and let
someone like Gavin Ashtonslander a good and holy priest
like Father Modsley just forhaving the gall of bringing up,
you know, uh questioning the ahistorical event.
We can question every otherhistorical event in history and
let except that one.
Why?
SPEAKER_04 (49:34):
That's the question, why and and and and the and the
whole like the the the hatred ofethnic this like no i have not
heard a single person like talkabout any kind of violence of
any kind, they're just we'rejust talking about like how
absurd everything is in in inour faces right now.
SPEAKER_03 (49:57):
Father Modsley went to prison for years when he was
younger fighting for a differentethnicity than him, and you have
the temerity to call him names,Gavin Ashington.
Are you joking me?
SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
Yeah, he's he's liberal cuck.
He's he's such a weird dude,man.
Like, it's so funny.
If you if you listen to him talkabout Protestants, he will go on
these vile rants aboutProtestants, he'll say things
about like Calvin Robinson thatyou're just like and that's like
a person he knows, yeah.
(50:29):
Like he'll say some of the mostmean, vicious things about
someone he knows.
This is why um when when youwhen you get down to it, when
whenever you get to people whoum who who push for things like
like Gavin is, and that goes forthings like immigration, also,
right?
Like people who are who arepushing these platitudes,
(50:51):
pushing these platitudes forsome far-off thing that they
never actually encounter tovirtue signal.
It's like I'm for immigration.
That's because you live in asuper white neighborhood where
you don't have to deal with likethe actual consequences of
immigration.
I'm I defend the Jews.
That's because it makes you looklike you're some moral
grandstander, but you don'tactually care about this issue.
(51:12):
But then it comes to a personyou actually know and you're
ruthlessly mean to them, right?
Like that, that's that's thedifference, right?
So these people that push forimmigration, they have all these
problems in their own familybecause they can love some
far-off idea because it neveractually touches their life, and
it's like, oh, I'm a virtuousperson, I support immigration,
(51:33):
but then you you you don't speakto your child or you don't speak
to your sister, yeah, yeah,because they wore a mega hat
once, yeah, because theydisagree with them on politics.
Gavin will cut people out of hislife because they disagree with
his friends and partners.
I mean, that's what it seemslike, right?
(51:54):
Like they had a conversationwith Father Maudsley, and he
just ends the relationship.
Like that to me, like, don'ttalk to me about the moral
complicity and the knock it off.
You're not a good man, likeyou're not a good guy, you are a
fraud, like in all honesty,you're not you're not actually
like this.
(52:14):
You put on the airs with thisproper, prim and proper.
I have I speak like I'm a anaristocrat from England, and I
must say I was the chaplain tothe queen, but I will screw over
the people who actually meansomething to me in my life
because I disagree with them.
Like, I don't actually care whatyou think of me, Gavin.
I'm going to be honest.
(52:35):
You're not actually a goodperson.
You can pretend you are, and youmay you may fool people with
your uh your accent and make itlike you're a good man, but I I
see what you do to people, likethe things you've said about
Calvin Robinson and the way youjust kind of abandon Catholic
Unscription.
Like, I'm sorry, but like you'renot you don't fool me in even
(52:55):
the slightest bit.
And I didn't even mean to gohere with this conversation.
I kind of started this as mybad.
I didn't mean to go here withthis conversation, but I'm just
so tired of people pretendingthey're good people.
Like, do not do that.
SPEAKER_03 (53:12):
Like, this isn't you and me putting on airs like
we'll be the first to admit,like no, better than us, people
like better than us.
SPEAKER_04 (53:20):
I'm good to the people in my life.
Like, I have other than my sonwho I yelled at before for
breaking my chair.
He did like I have goodrelationships with my family,
like I have eight siblings, weall get along, we all love one
another, and we disagree about alot, but like the people God put
in my life, I love and I do thebest I can to to be a good
(53:41):
brother, a good husband, a goodfather.
I do everything I can to dothat.
But I'm critical of like thisthing that I see could be an
issue in the culture because I'mI'm really worried about it, so
that's a that's an issue thatI'm I'm very concerned with.
Um like when things come tothings like immigration.
Yeah, I see what this is doingto the communities of my
(54:03):
country.
So, yes, I'm going to speak outabout that.
That doesn't make me uhuncharitable.
Like, and yes, I'm going todefend myself against these
insane accusations by GavinAshenden.
Because it's actually like thesubtle not at not saying our
name, but just like it's likethe the what do you call that?
Like uh when you tweet somebodylike that.
(54:25):
Uh subtweeting.
Subtweeting.
It's like like this subtweetthat you're doing about me.
Like everybody knows who you'retalking about, but don't throw
shots at me because I don'tfirst off, I've never done it to
you.
I don't like come out of thegame.
I when we addressed yourconversation with Scott Hahn, it
was very respectful to you.
But this is just bizarre.
Like saying I'm morallycomplicit in the Bondy attacks
(54:47):
because we're having theseconversations with Father
Mawsley, stop it.
Like, I'm just I'm just not Idon't know, man.
I'm just not fooled by people.
I I kind of know I know I knowwhen I'm pretty good judge of
character.
So I don't know.
All right, we can end this.
I what I would like to actuallydo on locals.
(55:10):
I have I have a very personalstory that happened to me that
the you know the womanpropaganda kid who got slapped,
and then he he was reallyembarrassed by the slap.
I haven't watched a second.
SPEAKER_03 (55:23):
You haven't watched the video?
SPEAKER_04 (55:24):
Okay, well, the this the I would have to be like I
know what you're talking about.
I would have done it on thisside, but there's bad language
in the video.
Um, but he he basically he wentto an event and some guy came
out and smacked him in the face,and the kid ran away, and
everybody lambasted him, and hewas mortified and embarrassed.
And so he tried to like you knowcome back from it, and he goes
(55:46):
back and he flew across thecountry to some other event.
This guy was at and he tried toget in his face and he tried
acting like a tough guy and fiveand he made a total fool of
himself, even worse.
I I wanna I want to tell us apersonal story that happened to
me that could can help anybodythat's in a situation like that,
I think.
Um because these things dohappen to us in life where you
(56:12):
you mean to you you you cowerdown in a situation and you
think you might even thinkyou're doing the right thing in
the moment because you're likeyou're swallowing your pride in
the moment, and you're like, allright, I'm not I'm not going to
get into a fight in thissituation, but then you then you
leave and it eats at your soulbecause you should have you'd
(56:35):
have been better off gettingyour teeth kicked in and going
to the hospital than lookinglike a fool.
Um, a body and blight and crisisconsulting.
So that's what we're gonna do onthe other side.
So um at at at least one of thethings we're gonna do on the
other side, and we'll do someother stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (56:50):
So if you guys are not local supporters, I feel
like we should have switchedsides, probably.
SPEAKER_04 (56:54):
I probably should have done the Gavin thing over
there.
SPEAKER_03 (56:55):
I look I started that, that's my bad.
SPEAKER_04 (57:00):
Yeah, you got me riled up.
SPEAKER_03 (57:01):
I wasn't even gonna go.
Well, I was yeah, it was gettingme riled up.
SPEAKER_04 (57:05):
I saw you getting man calling him a liberal and
all right, we're gonna do this,we'll do this.
Look, guys, I'm sorry, sometimessometimes things come out.
Um yeah, wow.
This show, this show is uheverybody say this is definitely
a local segment.
(57:29):
Well, here's the thing if youenjoyed that segment, that's
kind of what we do on locals.
So if you if you enjoyed that,please come over and join our
locals.
SPEAKER_03 (57:36):
That's where that's where we still don't like
swearing on locals like I didjust now.
So that's you gotta keep itcool, Rob.
You can't be dropping F bombs.
That's uh it's been a week ofbeing miserably sick.
You know, like I have energy forthe first time in a week.
SPEAKER_04 (57:49):
Yeah, I threw a chair across my basement because
my I saw that I saw that andheard that.
Yeah, I kind of came into thisshow a little riled up.
All right, so we're gonna goover to locals and I'm gonna I'm
gonna try and I'm gonna try andexplain how woman propaganda
could have handled that,salvaged his reputation, and not
destroyed his career by being atotal idiot.
(58:11):
Like he's just he just lookseven more foolish than he was.
So come over to locals and we'lltalk over there.
Uh that's a good point.
So many Holocaust movies.
How many holodomore movies canyou think of?
SPEAKER_03 (58:24):
Not a one.
SPEAKER_04 (58:25):
All right, take us out, Rob.
SPEAKER_03 (58:27):
Do we have any good?
I didn't get that song fromEnoch up yet.
SPEAKER_04 (58:30):
Uh I yeah, there's this that you know what I want
to plug Enoch's song.
Uh can we just play that songgoing out?
SPEAKER_03 (58:41):
If you gave me three, four minutes, maybe you
can't get it up.
Well, hold on.
Yeah, you know what?
I bet if I just go, I bet I can.
I can find it.
Give me a second, everyone.
Yeah, I can find something.
SPEAKER_04 (58:52):
Um man.
Oh, we have another good videoof these three three young black
kids that stole a car andcrashed.
We could we could do that overon locals too.
Uh yeah, so uh all right.
So the uh I'm sorry, three youngboys in Ohio, ages 8, 11, and
12, led police on a chase and astolen car before crashing into
(59:14):
a home authority said.
Police reported the 11-year-oldwas behind the wheel and three
fled on foot.
When questioned byinvestigators, the boys said
they went to a store when theyspotted a vehicle.
One boy allegedly said thatsomething just came over his
body and he could not controlit.
He needed to take the car.
I want to talk about that.
And we have the video of thecops running up on the kids.
(59:35):
But let's let's go out of theshow with this Enoch song.
Like, if you guys don't haveEnoch album, go download it.
This song, I don't know, man.
I love this freaking song.
It was such a good one.
SPEAKER_08 (59:46):
So we'll we'll end with this I don't want Joey.
I want the real Jesus.
You know what I'm talking about?
Hey, I'm laid back in my Bibleopen.
(01:00:08):
You to barely a whole leisure.
Flip my phone, I'm scrollingthrough, man.
Why do I see some woke Jesus?
I'm rainbow hugging, oh Jesus.
Don't deceive us.
I don't need them.
Let Rome Jesus let history speakfrom Josephus to Oleo.
SPEAKER_07 (01:00:22):
Hey, hey, give me that crazy turn up better than
flat.
Give me that claim to stack upand bless.
Hey, give me that Christmasblood for me.
Give me that Christmas, hey.
SPEAKER_08 (01:00:39):
I don't want your Jesus, I just want the real one.
I don't want your virgin, I justwant the real head.
I don't need no fluffy saver.
You the made up.
I don't want your Jesus, I justwant the real one.
I don't want your Jesus.
This is what I get for not listening to the video.
SPEAKER_04 (00:43):
What first of now, Taffy, I don't know how many
times I have to tell you aboutmusic in the beginning of
videos, and I also don't knowwhy you want to go to war with
me.
If there's one more of those, wewill never be playing back in
the beginning again.
There's nothing funny aboutthat.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00):
Have you seen the John Hamm clip on Instagram and
stuff?
No, I have no idea what I've gotto do.
SPEAKER_04 (01:04):
It's the meme as a reference to no, not at all.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07):
Well, okay.
I your face is so similar toJohn Ham's.
I'm like, Tavy, put Ant's faceon it.
But the music was different.
It wasn't supposed to, I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_04 (01:19):
There should be no music in our intro videos.
SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
It is what gets us copyrighted.
SPEAKER_04 (01:25):
Every time every video gets a copyright strike,
and we don't get we don't get tomonetize the video.
Don't put music in the introvideos.
And I started off in a bad moodin the freaking green room
because my son's fat friend wasover my house and he broke my
freaking chair.
So I started in the green roomscreaming at my son before the
stupid show started, and Rob'ssitting there uncomfortable,
(01:47):
just like, what is going onright now?
Uh this is then I get I get toopen to that ridiculous video.
Taffy, this is not good.
I'm not happy with you rightnow, Taffy.
You starting on my side.
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
This is my fault, Taffy.
I told you what to do.
Well, not the music.
SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
No more Rob I'm not, you know, I started the day off
really happy, really excitedbecause I uh I announced that
we're finalizing the yeah, I'mlike I am Scrooge, he's Scrooge
tonight.
SPEAKER_03 (02:19):
Oh man, call me Marley.
SPEAKER_04 (02:24):
I I it was just like if you guys saw the what what
happened in the green roombefore we started, I came down.
I got to sit in my chair, andthis isn't my chair.
I grabbed the chair out of myson's.
This is and and like even thisone, it's not I don't my chair,
he broke the back of it, or hisfriends did, and I can't even
sit in the start.
I was flipping out screamingabout that.
Um, but um, I started off uh wewere finalizing the details on
(02:49):
the pilgrimage.
So the pilgrimage is going to beuh in December, and I put out I
just put out a tweet today aboutit, and I got a ton of people
responding, which is reallygood.
It's true.
(03:09):
I I'm like, Rob, how do I loginto my own my own email here?
I've only been paying for it forthree years.
Yeah, but you always tell me ifsomething important comes in.
So, all right, so here's thething we uh we are skipping San
Giovanni Rotundo because that'swhere all the Rupnik art is, and
we replaced that with Sorrentoand Capri.
(03:30):
So we're going from Rome, threedays in Rome, driving down to go
see Pompeii, the island of Caprior Capri.
Uh, we'll we'll hit Naples whilewe're down there.
For Nero, right?
I think so.
Uh well, Pompeii, I I can't waitto go to just because Pompeii,
uh like Memphis Hubius erupts in72 or 73 AD.
(03:54):
It's like right after maybe 80AD or something.
SPEAKER_03 (03:57):
79 AD.
SPEAKER_04 (03:58):
Yeah, something like that.
Right after the temple isdestroyed.
So we're gonna go, we're gonnago down there, see the ruins in
Pompeii, go to the island ofCapri, then we're gonna come up
and go head towards Assisi.
And on the way to Assisi, we'regonna stop in Loretto, we're
gonna stop at Lanciano, see theEucharistic miracle at Lanciano,
then we're gonna go to Assisi,we're gonna hit Orvieto.
There's a ton of stuff we'redoing.
(04:18):
We're gonna do it in December ofnext year, early December.
It's gonna be like November 30thto December 10th.
If anybody is interested, we'reonly gonna have like 30 spots
available because we're keepingit at one bus.
And I also want to make it waycheaper than any other
pilgrimage out there.
So, like Taylor Marshall isdoing his pilgrimage, it's like
(04:38):
5,300 bucks or something.
Joshua Charles, same thing, it'slike 5,300 bucks.
We're keeping this one aroundfour grand.
So, in order to do that, I'mgonna try.
I so, in order for me to get itas cheap as I can, I need to
know if we can fill the busbecause the more people that
come, the cheaper it could be.
But we're not going over onebus, we're keeping it at one
bus.
This way, here it's an intimatetrip.
It's gonna be an amazing time.
(05:00):
I'm hoping if there's likesingle girls that have always
wanted to visit Europe and areafraid to go on their own, like
you're gonna have a ton ofchivalrous men to look after
you, you'll be able to come feelsafe.
If there's single guys that wantto go, maybe meet a girl, maybe
that'll work up and uh we'll beable to set you guys up.
Either way, it's gonna be anamazing time.
If any age, I mean, honestly, wealready any age, I don't care,
(05:21):
but it's gonna be a really goodtime.
This discount should be sleepingon the streets.
Just the men, just the men.
Uh, we'll make sure the ladieshave beds, I promise.
You boys, you're getting cots,but uh no, it's gonna be an
amazing time.
It's gonna be 10 days in Italy.
We're gonna keep it as cheap aswe possibly can.
There's just from a tweet today,I got like 15 people that
(05:41):
emailed me and are interested.
There's only going to be 35spots that we give out to this
thing.
So once uh once if you areinterested, send me an email at
team at avoidingbabylon.com.
Team at avoidingbabylon.com.
It is going to be an amazingtime.
We're gonna have uh this is thecode for all this is all code
(06:02):
for there will be co sleeping.
Look, if you want to be cheap,you gotta share a bed.
I don't know.
No, it's not nobody's sharingthe opposite sex, nobody's
sharing beds.
Everything's gonna be fine,don't worry.
We're gonna we're gonna have anamazing time.
So um, all right, so that's justa quick release.
I don't, I don't even I can'teven give official details yet
because I need to know how manypeople are coming.
I'm going to try and keep thisthing around four grand, which
(06:24):
is unheard of.
Every other pilgrimage is atleast$1,300,$1,400 more
expensive.
Um, so yeah, team atavoidingbabylon.com if you guys
are interested.
So okay, so now the past week Ihave been watching the
unraveling of TP USA.
SPEAKER_03 (06:39):
Well, hold on.
Before we get we should do ourother stuff we gotta do.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (06:48):
Oh, that's my Q.
Well, I mean likes to talk, yes.
Um, okay, so also Requisantsellers.
If you guys oh are you wanna gothat first?
You want to go.
SPEAKER_03 (07:02):
Oh, that's requisite.
That's Requisants.
SPEAKER_04 (07:04):
Oh, that's Requisant?
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
That's right, yeah.
What is I have two separateones?
SPEAKER_04 (07:08):
Okay, so wait, what is that?
SPEAKER_03 (07:10):
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Uh, yeah, I mean, I I think youguys missed the Christmas
deadline unless you overnight itor something, but even then, I
think it's gonna be too late forthat.
But New Year's Eve is coming up,and then we'll have probably
have another big push forValentine's Day, but you guys
can still get it in for NewYear's Eve.
Um, also, uh, we have uh companythat's potato chip company is
(07:59):
interested in sponsoring.
So we'll give them a free pre,we'll give them a free freebie
tonight.
But fat thins, they're aMinnesota company.
They just sent me, I just gotmine today.
I didn't even taste them yet,but Rob said they're really
good.
SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
They are on, and I this is 100% honest, the best
potato chip I've ever had.
SPEAKER_04 (08:18):
Well, I haven't tried them yet, so I can't I
can't back that claim up yet.
SPEAKER_03 (08:21):
They are just three ingredients it's potatoes, sea
salt, and beef tallow.
No seed oils, nothing like that,and it's the best tasting chip
I've ever had.
Like we were already filled awhole bag.
SPEAKER_04 (08:32):
They got a free plug from us tonight, but hopefully
they'll uh they'll decide tojump on board.
And we're also hoping to bringon Black Mont Groceries in
January.
They they had mentioned someinterest.
SPEAKER_03 (08:42):
And we have a special Lenten sponsor
potentially.
Did I even tell you this one?
No, a um a company calledshoplobster.com.
SPEAKER_04 (08:52):
Oh, that's right.
SPEAKER_03 (08:52):
You did tell me they ship lobster meat out of Maine,
and they're thinking they wouldwant to be a Lenten sponsor.
SPEAKER_04 (08:58):
All right, we're giving tons of free promos out
tonight.
Let's get back to the show now.
No, I don't know.
One last promo is if the it'sChristmas, it's the end of the
year.
If you guys enjoy our show andyou would like to support us,
it's basically just a Christmasgift.
It's not really a fundraiser,we're not raising funds for
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So if you guys would like to we had a paying an
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Yeah, so we we we we we spent a little bit of money
this month, but uh it would benice for end of the year
Christmas gift if you guys want,uh, go right to our website or
scan that little thing.
Rob's got up in the corner, andyou could uh you guys could
throw us a couple couple shekelsfor uh for for all the enjoyment
you get out of us.
All right, so now on to thetopic at hand.
Um my wife just texted me, babe.
(09:47):
You threw you through the chairacross the room.
Was your mic on when you werescreaming?
Yes, yeah, but it was just tome.
It was just I that heard thewhole awkward.
Rob's the only one that heard meyelling.
Um can I tip if I don't likeyour show?
Yes.
Okay, so for the past week, I'vebeen watching the unraveling of
TP USA.
(10:08):
Um, it is kind of a bizarrespectacle to watch.
Um, it started off, it had BenShapiro giving the opening
speech, and he basically toldeverybody that they are cowards
for not condemning TuckerCarlson and Nick Fuentes and
Candace Owens.
And then every speaker afterthat basically came and said,
(10:30):
Shut up, Ben, don't tell us whatwe have to do.
So it's it just seemed um turnthe tip QR back on, please.
Oh, it's on the screen rightnow.
Thank you, Emily, very much.
Um, it was just this reallybizarre thing.
But I also um I caught anepisode of uh the two cities
podcast, Steve's podcast theother day.
SPEAKER_05 (10:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:51):
And he interviewed this guy.
Um I I forgot his name.
I feel terrible now.
I think his name was uh I thinkhe went with um it's like a it's
a pen name, Augustine something.
Uh something Dante DanteAugustine or something like
that.
(11:12):
I'm sorry.
Go check out Theo's podcast.
But he basically gave his wholethesis on how all of these
podcasters are just the giantpsyop.
And all of the stuff we'reseeing is just K-fade, like it's
all just a big circus, and eachone of these podcasters that
have like millions and millionsof subscribers, they're all kind
(11:33):
of set in the mold for eachperson's temperament.
Like, some people are like youcan see Candaces fans, they're
like diehard Candace fans.
Same thing with Fuentes, likethey're diehard Fuentes fans,
and you get diehard Tucker fans,and you and you have everybody
just kind of at war with eachother, and everybody's emotions
being manipulated, and it'smultiple like small cults of
(11:55):
personality all against eachother, and and not one of them,
and especially like it reallymade me think when I saw Jack
the Sobic come up with hisrosary like this at the TPUSA
event, just this weird emotionalmanipulation that they're doing,
and they're all it's it's reallystrange how you have all these
different Christian factionsforming, right?
(12:18):
So you have the Catholicsforming and you have the
reformed and you have theZionists, and it's like this
inter-Christian squabble that'sgoing on right now, and not any
none of the Catholics are reallytalking about the real root of
the problem, which is sin, theflesh, and the devil, right?
Right?
Like they're all it's all thisemotional manipulation, but none
(12:41):
of them are actually getting tothe root of how the whole
problem can get fixed, which isbasically just penance and you
know, uh getting into yourspiritual life and things like
that.
So it it it all really does seemlike theater, this whole thing
with the hair coming out of theworld.
SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
They don't even have works for the most part.
Most of them don't even havelike secular solutions to
problems.
SPEAKER_04 (13:03):
All they care about is harping on the problems and
riling people up, and tearingother shows down and like going
at each other, and it's um likethe the he went into like even
certain types of personalities,like the the hardcore weight
lifter kind of guy who's likeobsessed with the gym, check the
(13:25):
early life of Men Shapiro everysingle time.
Um uh the like the the BAP guys,the the bronze age pervert guy,
like all and and they get theseyoung guys into niche.
Yeah they're like you know, andthey get obsessed with with
weight lifting, and it's justall of these different different
(13:48):
factions of now.
These people may not havenecessarily gone in and
intentionally became this psyop,but eventually they start
getting bribed or this thingsgot like you you saw Russell
Brand today, uh got charged withum a rape accusation from like
well a few more in addition towhat he's already been charged
(14:10):
with from like 26 years ago,though.
It's kind of it's kind of absurdto charge somebody um with
something from the Bajarianslant.
Well, I will say this because Inever knew that's where Bajarian
was coming from until I heardthis podcast, and it's like, oh,
he's just a cliche Ranji'spervert guy.
(14:34):
He's just he's justregurgitating that stuff.
I get it now.
I'm not knocking Bajarian.
I literally love Bujarian, butthat is that is their the kind
of the thing, and they get theyget each person tuned to their
temperament and theirpersonality to jump on board
with one of these personalities,and they all have like millions
(14:56):
of followers, and it's all andit's really just a way for like
um uh what was he?
Uh what's oh like like Kabbalah,like to really just like
manipulate people's emotions andkeep them in certain camps.
Now, I don't know how much ofthat is true, but it does seem
like the whole thing is theaterat this point, like everything
from politics to like it seemedlike a prolonged MAGA rally, the
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CPUSA event.
SPEAKER_03 (15:22):
That's what it was.
SPEAKER_04 (15:23):
It was really bizarre, right?
That they're they're coming out,and Erica Kirk is already
basically crowning JD Vance asthe candidate for 2028, and it's
just a lot of weird stuff goingon right now.
And I I'm I don't know, man.
I just I just see everythingcoming apart at the seams.
Like the the whole civil warwithin the right seems very
(15:46):
manipulated, and even us talkingabout some of the things that
we're talking about gettingcaught up into it, the fact that
we're all like because even BenShapiro coming up and trying to
make it like he's upset becauseTucker won't condemn Puentes and
Candace, uh but really all thishas to do with is Zionism, yeah,
(16:08):
and that is that is the issue athand, it's like front and
center, and no matter how muchpeople try to move on from that
topic, it's like it just keepsgetting brought up, and it seems
like they want this topicdiscussed ad nauseum, which
Charlie Kirk the Catacone.
That's a good theory.
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Yeah, but he was certainlyrestraining something.
His wife.
SPEAKER_05 (16:36):
Oh my gosh, that might be the funniest line, but
also the most terrible at theexact same time.
Oh my goodness, I cannot believehe just came out of the line.
I couldn't help it.
I'm sorry, Charlie Kirk wasrestraining something in his
(16:58):
wife.
Holy cow.
Guys, it just came out.
I'm sorry, Rob.
SPEAKER_04 (17:07):
Every so often you just drop a gem on everybody,
man.
SPEAKER_03 (17:12):
It was not great.
I mean it was, but that wasn'tgreat.
SPEAKER_04 (17:15):
No, because the Erica Kirk stuff plays into it
too.
Because I brought Erica Kirk uplast night in my so all right.
So last night my daughterswanted to watch a Christmas
movie.
So we're we're watching um theSanta Claus, and uh the Santa
Claus is on, and as soon as TimAllen's character gets to the
North Pole, the first thing yousee is the head elf is a Jew
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named Bernard.
It's like really strange.
He's like, My name's Bernard.
SPEAKER_05 (17:41):
Um like he's like a New York Jew.
It's well, the funniest part iswhen uh Tim Allen goes, Barabbas
calls him.
SPEAKER_04 (17:48):
He's like calls himself Barnabas, which Barnabas
is one of the apostles, not thenot he's not one of the
apostles, but he's yeah, yeah,so Barnabas is connected with
the apostles, but he's he's likecalling him all these Jewish
names, and then at the end ofthe movie, the wife was such a
bad actress to the whole movie,and she starts crying.
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And I go, Oh, she's a betteractress than Erica Kirk.
Just as like an off-handedcomment, you know.
And my daughters go, Dad,there's something wrong with
that woman.
And I'm like, wait a minute,what how do you guys even know
about Erica Kirk?
They're like, we need to showyou something.
They took me through like allthese reels of Erica Kirk last
night.
They're like, look at her eyes.
There's something off with hereyes, there's something off with
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this woman.
And I'm like, wow, I don't knowwhat's going on in my house
right now.
So it all really does just seemlike this performative theater,
the everything, the Erica Kirkstuff, the the Pasobic stuff is
weird, man.
I don't know, because like youyou want to support other
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Catholics, but him coming outwith the rosary, like it's I
don't know, man.
SPEAKER_03 (18:55):
I it's a weird event for it, right?
SPEAKER_04 (18:59):
I mean it's just strange, the whole thing is just
weird, and then you you tie inthings like um I the first thing
I think I sent you from thislatest round of insane things I
sent you.
Um it should yeah, uh it shouldbe underneath the the new New
(19:20):
York Bishop video.
SPEAKER_03 (19:22):
Everything's underneath it.
SPEAKER_04 (19:23):
That too was the first one underneath that too.
I I have to even address thatfor a second because I took I
took my video from work downthat was on the channel.
SPEAKER_03 (19:36):
Um I took it, I took it down just man, I was like,
You didn't want your uncleseeing you doing yeah, no, not
my uncle, not that uncle.
SPEAKER_04 (19:44):
It was it's because I got to see family on Christmas
Eve.
Oh.
Like I didn't feel likeexplaining it to like because I
have normie family membersthat'll come across stuff
sometimes, and I was like, letme just take this one down,
because I don't feel likeexplaining this one.
But because that'll tie into therumors about Baron's account
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getting hacked.
Um yeah, so I a couple of daysago I had somebody reach out to
me and send me the images ofBaron's Facebook.
And it's per apparently it's hispersonal account.
And on his personal account, hewas liking some weird stuff.
Let's just say that.
SPEAKER_03 (20:25):
The account was liking some weird stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (20:28):
Yeah, the account was liking some weird stuff.
So somebody sent me all this andall the screenshots and stuff,
and I was just like what what amI like?
It was right after I did thevideo of the New York Bishop,
which if you didn't see it, Idon't know what to tell you
guys.
It it wasn't kind.
Um, so I think this personthought, like, oh, he's
(20:50):
criticizing this in thehierarchy, like, let me send
them this.
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
Yeah, you don't want to be that guy everyone goes to.
SPEAKER_04 (20:56):
I don't, I really don't.
And the stuff that that Barron'saccount was liking was like in
line with you know stuff likethat.
So I was like, I'm not gonna gonear this, like, I'm just gonna
leave it alone.
And then the next day, somebodyelse came out showing all the
things, and then Word on Firecomes out and says that Barron's
account was hacked, and it'slike maybe, but if it wasn't,
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like you can't be lying likethat.
Like, that's a flat out lie ifit wasn't.
And if it was, what does itmean?
It's just it's just a reallystrange situation, like yeah,
we're we're all just sittingback and watching all this stuff
happen in the hierarchy.
SPEAKER_03 (21:42):
Like, I have always waiting for the other shoe to
drop.
SPEAKER_04 (21:45):
Always, and it's part of me thinks the
appointment of Hicks wasintentional because he's on the
softer side, like like theflagship diocese of the United
States, essentially, he's gonnabe in the news all the time.
Like Dolan was constantly on FoxNews, he's constantly in the
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limelight, and that thatposition is that, and it's like
the this softer man who kind ofspeaks with with he speaks with
like the like the cliche gaylisp.
He kind of does, like there's noother way to say it, and for
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that guy to be the one that'salways on the news and stuff, it
seems like it's intentional tolike just give this image off of
the church.
So, like, my my my mind is justlike going there, and I'm just
so like, oh my goodness, man.
Like, can we just please havesome some men in the priesthood?
(22:48):
And people people were accusingme of like wanting some like
masculine, like LARP of a man,you know, and that's not what
I'm looking for.
Like, I don't I don't need somecaricature of masculinity as a
priest.
That's not at all.
SPEAKER_03 (23:02):
Like, it doesn't matter if a man is soft spoken,
it's gonna say some of themanliest priests I've ever known
were very soft-spoken.
SPEAKER_04 (23:08):
Soft spoken is totally fine.
What what we're looking for ismen who have like a real
spiritual fatherhood at the coreof their being, where sometimes
that that entails being a littlestern about something, saying
no, um, and just and justpresenting like true true
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masculinity, not not a LARP, nota caricature of masculinity,
just like a real masculinepresence that and and someone
who actually cares about thewell-being of souls.
Like we just we just haven't hadreal fathers in such a long time
that it gets disheartening whenyou see this stuff.
You you're seeing theseaccusations against Baron coming
(23:52):
in.
Like Baron's supposedly one ofthe good guys, and you're like,
even the good guys are lookingat Brazilian men's feet, like
that's that's where we're at.
Like, like, what's going on,man?
I don't know.
So that that's I don't know howI got on this.
That's it, I get on.
Oh, I'm not sure either.
(24:13):
I it well, part of the charade,like the show, like the charade
of everything.
It just it feels like him beingput in there is meant to
demoralize because when theyasked Pope Leo why did they put
him in there, he was like, Oh, Ican't answer that right now.
Like they the reporter askedhim, Why'd you pick Hicks to be
in New York?
And he kind of seemed like hewas caught off guard.
He was like, I I can't answerthat right now.
(24:35):
So, you know, it's just I'm I'mnot trying to how is this
calumny?
SPEAKER_03 (24:43):
It's not, is it?
I don't think it's calumny.
Not at all.
SPEAKER_04 (24:46):
I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
You haven't made any claims.
SPEAKER_04 (24:48):
I'm not I'm not even I'm I'm talking about image and
just like how we present as achild.
I and and there's this there'sthis idea that like orthodoxy is
this masculine thing, and that'swhy young men are flocking to
orthodoxy and stuff.
It's like if we don't put somereal men at the helm of some of
these things, or some some realmen in positions of even
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visibility, I don't know howwe're supposed to attract men
because you need men to convert.
Like, there's a reason Christchose 12 men as a bot, and he
didn't just choose 12 men, hechose 12 like blue-collar guy,
like fishermen.
You ever see fishermen?
Fishermen are like some of themost rugged dudes you ever come
across, like that, you know, andit's because there's a presence
(25:36):
about men like that.
It's kind of people werepointing out that my video was
like, I'm a construction guyfrom a big machine, like talking
about the effeminatepresentation of the latest
bishop and stuff.
It but and I wasn't even tryingto, I didn't even think about
that when I did it.
I was just at work and I sawthat video and I was like, oh
(25:57):
man, let me just say this.
But yeah, I I think I think thatum the way things are being
presented right now, it's it canbe disheartening.
Definitely can.
It's not it's not it's not easyto you're right.
Like it feels like the shoe, theother shoe is always going to
drop as a cat.
Like you're waiting for the nextscandal to break, you're waiting
for it.
SPEAKER_03 (26:16):
I mean, that could lead into you're you're what
you're always waiting for yourhero, whoever that is, to have
some sort of scandal.
SPEAKER_04 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, oh man.
Um, so all right, so we can go afew places with this.
Uh, so that first clip I putunderneath is this bizarre rant
from um what what what whatpastor is this?
Uh Greg Laurie.
(26:44):
This is Greg Laurie.
SPEAKER_03 (26:46):
Is it the healthcating white Zionist one?
SPEAKER_04 (26:48):
Listen to how insane this is that he says what he
says here.
SPEAKER_03 (26:51):
Okay, so it's that one.
SPEAKER_04 (26:52):
Yeah, let's go with Greg Laurie first.
Because we got a few videoswe'll go over here.
These are pretty nuts, some ofthem.
SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
Give me a second to get it set up here.
SPEAKER_04 (27:04):
Yeah, this is the forms of Christianity that are
being presented right now arepretty outrageous.
And this this one is definitelyone of them where the the way
these Zionists think is thatlisten to him.
I mean, it sounds like he'ssaying Jewish blood has salvific
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value.
SPEAKER_01 (27:29):
And and I think it's so important because I'm not uh
Jewish, I'm a gentile.
And when I did my 23 in mediatest, I was hoping because
there's some Jewish blood in mesomewhere.
And I found out I I'm hopelesslyGentile.
I am like, I am white trash.
I'm just well, no, I'm I'mScottish and Irish.
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And and I said, you know, mylove for the Jewish people came
after I came into a relationshipwith Jesus Christ.
I was a confused kid going thewrong way in life.
I heard about Jesus.
I began to read the Bible, learnyour history.
That's where my love came foryou and for the book that came
through you.
Everything we have came throughthe Jewish people.
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I'm not Jewish.
I wouldn't what I did one ofthose 23andMe tests.
I was hoping, you know, I havesome Jewish black.
Well, I don't think about whatthese people are saying.
He can just sort of toss it offthere.
SPEAKER_02 (28:23):
Like he's like, uh, well, that uh uh Rachel Dolzell,
yeah, pretending to be black.
SPEAKER_04 (28:34):
It's that is some psychotic thinking, especially
when you read the New Testamentat all.
Like the whole point of it isthat we like you are you are
sons of the promise throughfaith, and not like these are
the people telling you faith notworks.
That's just insane, right?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:54):
These these are the people telling you it's faith
not works, will save you, andthey're like yet.
They they think they can besaved by coming up with all
these weird, crazy workaroundsfor Saturdays.
SPEAKER_04 (29:05):
Oh my gosh, man, because all of this goes to the
the weird Shabbat Shalom stuffthat Erica Kirk is doing, and
the the like all of this stuffis so strange that it's all
happening now, right?
Like, I don't I don't know, man.
The TP USA stuff is bizarre,man.
When when you when you thinkabout what the whole point of
(29:29):
the of the arguing on stage isreally about, like the whole
thing is about Israel, it's whatit comes down to.
All of this tension is built uparound and all these different
factions fighting and and Tuckercoming out with I'm not
anti-Semitic, but I'm with thewith the uh I'm just against the
state of Israel stuff.
And I I feel like very fewpeople are talking about very
(29:54):
few of the Christians that areeven uh against the Zionist
stuff.
Like there's plenty of peopletalking about how the Jews are
behind this and they're behindthat, and and it gets very
conspiratorial, but very fewpeople talk about like the way
the story plays out.
Like we have there's very fewpeople talking about how how we
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we may view them innocently, butthey don't view us innocently,
like like the way we havehandled this conversation, I
think, is probably one of thebetter ways.
SPEAKER_03 (30:28):
Like on the the anti-Israel side, you or I don't
even like phrasing it that way,but you have the people that are
only um anti-state of Israel,right?
Someone like say Eric Salmons,for instance.
Then you have the people who goway too far, or I don't wouldn't
necessarily want to say too far,but go way far into the
conspiracy world, like Candace.
(30:50):
But you're right, that very fewpeople are looking at it from
like a a theological sort ofperspective.
SPEAKER_04 (30:56):
Yeah, that's it.
It's um oh man, is this the newthing I'm saying now?
Is this to be fair?
No, I think that's me.
This one, I don't know, I don'tknow, man.
I don't know, man.
Guys, look, we all have verbalcrutches, all right.
I don't know what to tell you.
Um, all right, so let's do youwant to do salmon's article?
All right, I don't care, Ididn't read it.
I did the way you said that.
(31:19):
I love reading salmon'sarticles.
I love me a good Eric Salmonsarticle.
SPEAKER_03 (31:24):
Uh yeah, I I I didn't know if I wanted to read
that one or uh Kennedy Hall'sthird uh screed against Nick
Fuentes in the last week or two.
I don't I don't know what he'sgoing for there.
SPEAKER_04 (31:37):
I don't know if he's I don't know.
I'm not gonna whatever.
But um the the Eric Salmons one,he's basically reiterating what
he's reiterated a thousandtimes.
But this one is why I'm uhtraditionalist sorta.
So the whole beginning of thearticle goes through like the
good things about being atraditionalist, and basically it
comes down to like the TLM anduh living, you know, traditional
(31:58):
devotions, all that stuff wewould agree with.
So scroll down.
Um, we don't have to read allthis.
This is not where the good stuffis.
Um keep going past when I firststarted.
Um another reason I'm a trad.
Okay, so okay, go back up to goup to it's not a natural state,
okay, and zoom in on that.
(32:18):
Okay.
Um, okay, so this is where hestarts getting into why he's
sort of Catholic.
So traditionalist, it's simplynot a natural state of being a
Catholic to be in a constantstate of conflict with the
hierarchy.
I realize there has been onehistorical instance when this is
necessary for centuriarianism,and we may be in such a period
now, but to recognize howdiscordant it is as Catholics,
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our default should be acceptanceof what the hierarchy teaches
and practices, yet for Trads, itbecomes uh it's become the
opposite.
Literally, everything said bythe Pope and the bishops is held
in suspicion.
I kind of agree with him.
SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
I I do agree with him up to this point, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (32:52):
Like there is something unnatural about
constantly being at odds withthe hierarchy.
And and this is what goes to yousaying, like, you're you feel
like you're always waiting forthe other shoe to drop.
So, like you do have this air ofsuspicion uh from everything in
the hierarchy now, and that'snot a good state, like it's it's
really not.
You should you you know, youshould default to obedience and
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you should default to trust inthe public.
It's just it things are just soinsane right now.
Um, which is why like we'vetended to not even discuss the
hierarchy, and that's that'sanother reason why I took that
video down, is because I I kindof went against what I said,
like I kind of just don't evenwant to discuss them.
So I'll agree with him on thisstuff, like um, like having that
(33:37):
critical spirit.
So, all right, let's scroll downand we'll get into when he
starts getting into theconspiracy stuff.
Um, so another area that makesme only sort of a traditionalist
is the common and increasinglystrident opposition to the Jews
found in traditionalistcommunities.
Now, I myself have been called abitter anti-Semite.
(33:59):
I don't know why.
I really don't know why.
He eric has like some of themost like milked toast views on
Israel.
Of you know, he's he's he hasthe um libertarian view that we
shouldn't give money to thestate of Israel, which I don't I
don't know.
So I'm no Zionist.
In fact, I believe Zionism to bea heresy, but there's a
(34:20):
distinction to be made betweenthose who oppose the modern
political entity of Israel andthose who suggest are even
outright state.
The Jews control the world orthe primary cause of most of
today's problems.
Yeah, um but the Jews do run theworld, and there are the yes,
like, but I understand notwanting to go down that road
constantly.
(34:40):
Like, I don't, you know, I don'tknow if that's a trad thing,
though.
And like he says here, he's liketwo of the most public figures,
and that can't be Michael Jonesand Nick Toentas are decidedly
not traditionalists.
So this that's not a trad thing.
No, I don't think it is, atleast.
I mean, that may be somethingthat trads do discuss, but it's
more just from a historicalperspective of understanding
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what what the role of of theJews has been because they were
dispersed amongst the nations,like they they were limited in
what they were allowed to do.
There are they if you wanted toborrow money in in the Middle
Ages, you were not allowed tolend money as a Catholic, you
had to go to a Jew to borrowmoney.
Now they would lend at 40%interest, which was insane, you
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know, and that's where likeusury laws came into pre play.
And you would actually get likeum kings would come in and wind
up borrowing money from fromJews at 40% interest, and then
they'd wind up like uh not beingable to pay the loan off or
reneging on the deal, and thenthat would eventually lead to a
war, and you'd have expulsion ofthe Jews, expulsion of the Jews,
(35:49):
one of the two.
So you'd either expel the Jewsbecause you don't want to pay
them, or the Jews would havesome kind of manipulative
authority over you, and they'dbe like, Go do our go do this
for us to pay off the debt.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
And like that's kind of like the Rothschilds with uh
the British monarchy.
SPEAKER_04 (36:05):
Yeah, I mean, that's actually what happened, right?
So to say that that's not aconspiracy, that's like that's
what happened, right?
So bring bring it back up.
We'll keep going through it.
Um, because he he gets into uhuh uh the most distasteful
example, distasteful example ofthis delusion of Jewish control
is conspiracy theories intendedto deny the reality of the
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Holocaust and to defend Hitler,in spite of the fact that
Catholic heroes such as uh St.
Maximilian Colby, servant ofGod, St.
Terez, uh Therese Newman andDietrich von Hildebrandt,
ironically, a godfather of thetraditional movement, were
adamantly opposed to Nazism andconsidered it demonic to its
core.
Too many Trads go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (36:45):
I was gonna the irony of him putting Saint
Maximilian Colby in this is thatEric would call Saint Maximilian
Colby an anti-Semite for hisviews on the Jews in Jewish
power.
SPEAKER_05 (36:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:58):
Because St.
Maximilian Colby literally uhquote like he quoted from the
pro the Protocols of the Eldersof Zion.
Like, is he anti-Semite, Eric?
SPEAKER_04 (37:10):
Yeah, and the the thing is, I don't like I don't
um there probably were some goodthings that Hitler tried to do,
but yeah, no, I don't thinkwe're I don't think we're pretty
praising.
SPEAKER_03 (37:23):
I've never heard any Catholic like actually defending
Hitler or Nazism.
SPEAKER_04 (37:27):
Yeah, and even when Fuentes does it, he's kind of
like being ironic and talkingabout like the aura, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (37:34):
He's like he's doing it to force the overton window,
you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (37:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's not like you know.
Um, so um, for example,traditionalist priest father
James Maudsley and his followershave suggested that the Nazi gas
chambers were not used to killJews in spite of almost
overwhelming eyewitness andother evidence.
What other so this is what we'regetting into because some of the
conversations that are startingto be had are like were those
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eyewitness accounts coerced?
And the idea behind can you evenquestion this stuff?
Like that that's and and andEric doing this kind of
reinforces people that it's likeit's like oh the evil of even
questioning these things, andsimply you're just asking
questions, but it's clear fromtheir line of inquiry that they
(38:22):
they wish to downplay or evendeny that I don't wish to
downplay or deny somethinghappened if it happened.
Like I actually wish to get tothe facts of the matter and to
the truth of it, and that's likeactually what we've been trying
to do.
So, and his followers, he'stalking about us, yeah, I would
think so.
Um, I mean, this can so, andthen he gets into uh the stuff
(38:47):
about the moon landing.
Um, so since the time thatthere's arisen throughout the
world and throughout the churchan attitude that one cannot
criticize Jews for any reasonwhatsoever.
Any such criticism is the firststep, so the argument goes to
another Holocaust, that'sridiculous, and further has led
to special status for Jews.
One that is understandablyresented by a growing number of
people, yet denying historicaltruths is a reactionary and
(39:10):
decidedly non-Catholic response.
SPEAKER_03 (39:12):
You haven't shown it's a historical truth.
All you've done is say that youcan't question whether it's an
historical truth.
SPEAKER_04 (39:17):
Yeah, and and you said there's eyewitness accounts
and other evidence, but I meanthat's kind of yeah, I don't I
don't I don't know where to Idon't even know what to do with
this.
Um yeah, I don't even know whatto do with this.
It's like it's it's like he Ithink Eric just wants to be
comfortable in um criticizingthe state of Israel, but not
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actually discussing any kind ofenmity between Jews and and
Christians, right?
Like there's just that's noteven on the table for him.
Because we we had Eric on and wetried to discuss that with him,
and it was just like aconversation that wasn't allowed
to be had.
So that can that can lead toGavin Ashenden and what he said
about us.
SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
Wait, what did he say about us?
SPEAKER_00 (40:01):
Um, oh, you didn't see that?
I'll send it.
Hang on.
SPEAKER_03 (40:05):
Did you have you already sent it?
SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
I don't think I sent it there, but um I will hang on.
Let's see.
SPEAKER_03 (40:13):
Okay, so I will send this to you know, it's important
to note that in the earliesteyewitness testimony, like from
uh LE Vies ellen stuff, there isno mention of uh gas chambers at
Auschwitz.
SPEAKER_04 (40:27):
Well, that's what we talked with um E Michael Jones
about.
E.
Michael Jones about.
And like what what originallythe Holocaust narrative was was
about Dachau or Dasho, right?
I don't know how to pronounceit.
Dachau.
Dachau.
So that there were um that therewere Catholic priests there
because Hitler hated Catholics.
(40:48):
Like Hitler hated Catholics, andhe sent all these Catholic
priests to Dachau, and he wasstarving them.
So they prayed, uh they prayed anovena or yeah, they prayed a
novena to our lady, and by theend of the novena, uh Goebbels
or somebody told told them,like, you cannot starve these
priests, you have to feed them,and then eventually these
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priests get out.
Now, after the Holocaust, thatis the narrative.
It's like that there's meaningto suffering, that prayer and
penance that that that war islike a punishment for sin, and
that there's meaning to thatsuffering that comes, and that
penance can lead to to um oh no,oh, I'm sorry.
(41:31):
Atheism, like uh war was likethe punishment for atheism,
right?
Because atheism was growing inGermany, right?
And and uh and and that like soit go back and watch our E.
Michael Jones interview, itreally was enlightening because
I had never even heard any ofthat.
So then, and then after that,then you know they they can gain
control of the narrative andthey start changing it to, you
(41:53):
know, even the idea of callingit a Holocaust, like you're
you're talking about like JesusChrist is the Holocaust, like He
is the final burnt offering.
SPEAKER_06 (42:08):
Did Anthony freeze for everyone?
SPEAKER_03 (42:15):
Okay, you back?
SPEAKER_04 (42:18):
Yeah, I he lost me for a second.
Um, so all right, so we'll we'llgo to Gavin Ashenden.
I just sent it.
I got it.
Okay, so Gavin continues to takesubtle jabs at us and now
implies that we're morallycomplicit for the attacks in
Bondi because we platform FatherMosley.
So Catholic media and moralcomplicity.
There should not be, shouldthere not be some episcopal
(42:38):
repudiation of a celebratedtraditionalist priest who makes
his name and sells his books byclaiming the Jews falsify the
Holocaust numbers to galvanizepolitical sympathy for their
nationalistic ambitions.
SPEAKER_03 (42:48):
First off, right away, that's a straight up lie.
His books have nothing to dowith the Holocaust narrative.
SPEAKER_04 (42:55):
Yeah, they really don't at all.
SPEAKER_03 (42:57):
Well, that's just a straight up lie, Gavin.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Um, and uh, but the thing is, like even if
everything happened exactly theway they claimed, they still do
galvanize political sympathy fortheir nationalistic ambitions
with it.
Right?
Like they do that.
So I mean, Coder is describingthe Holocaust as the biggest lie
(43:22):
in history.
The Holocaust didn't happen,he'll say things like that.
Uh, he challenges the wordanti-Semitism with one report
describing his view that it iscompletely meaningless, and that
history describing the Holocaustor the church's post-Vatican II
reforms is misused or beingweaponized against traditional
Catholics, it's being weaponizedagainst the entire church.
SPEAKER_03 (43:39):
I mean, anti-Semitism, that word is
completely meaningless becauseof people like you, Gavin
Ashenden.
Sorry.
SPEAKER_04 (43:47):
Yeah, uh, YouTube and X periodically remove him in
his pro remove him in protest.
In response, some British andAmerican Catholic podcasters and
Catholic media.
So this is a shot at CatholicUnscripted and us, and probably
Theo and Theo.
Yeah, if if he comes across hisradar.
So uh British and AmericanCatholic podcasters and Catholic
(44:07):
media platforms coily offer hima voice on their outlets,
ostensibly to offer views onliturgy and ethics, but in fact,
deliberately choosing to givehim oxygen and further pub pub
publicity for his denial.
Um, yeah, I mean, we've straightup just talked to him about it.
I'm not I'm not coily doinganything.
Like I've just had FatherMaudsley on.
(44:29):
Like, I and it's not the thediscussing the liturgy stuff is
kind of gets to the ball tiedinto it, and it and actually the
the the the denial, if you wantto call it that, is to me
actually one of the like whetheror not it happened or didn't
happen, uh the story of it, trueor not, is being used in the way
(44:52):
it's being used.
SPEAKER_03 (44:53):
It was used to get the Catholic Church to change
her liturgy, to change herteachings.
It's being used in daily life toget everyone to bow down to the
the state of Israel, you know.
So whether it happened or not,that's for me that's secondary.
To we gotta the story has tolose its power in our lives,
yeah.
(45:14):
Then maybe we can maybe then wecan objectively figure out what
actually happened, and have likea rational conversation around
things.
SPEAKER_04 (45:24):
Um and um yeah, it's oh man.
Uh and then he and then he wroteanother one that's uh uh so he
also says uh that the church hasa history of anti-Semitism.
Oh, this is crazy.
So he also seems to be sayingthat the church has a history of
anti-Semitism and that Catholichatred of Jews is what led to
the Holocaust.
Um, okay, so let's read what heactually says.
(45:44):
There have been, and tragicallystill are, some deep and
unpleasant rivers ofanti-Semitism running through
the Catholic Church.
There is no need to look deeplyinto his the history of the West
and the Church's record ofanti-Semitism.
There's no need to look deeplyinto it.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (45:59):
The next one's disgusting.
SPEAKER_04 (46:02):
It's culminated with the Holocaust.
SPEAKER_03 (46:04):
So he's saying the church's anti-Semitism may like
is is culminated in theHolocaust.
SPEAKER_04 (46:11):
Yes, ought to provide a shock greater than any
of the combined horrors of ourhistory.
The mirror the Holocaust holdsup to our face rightly exposes
our constant vulnerability toscapegoating and ethnic hatred.
SPEAKER_03 (46:23):
No, it first that that first paragraph, I swear I
have read that exact paragraphwritten by numerous liberals.
You know what I mean?
Like, like that is that is aliberal atheist position right
there.
Could could have come from themouth of your average uh lesbian
Anglican bishop, Gavin.
I thought you left that church.
SPEAKER_04 (46:44):
Man, it's just like I I don't I don't know what um I
don't know because the wholething like that you're that you
saw happen at TP USA comes downto this.
It's like there's unless you'redoing what Gavin's doing, you're
going to be accused ofanti-Semitism, right?
So Megan Kelly is like flat outa Zionist.
(47:05):
She's like, Oh, I support thestate of Israel.
I do that.
But like I think maybe maybe youguys should like tone down the
rhetoric here.
She's an anti-Semite, she's acow.
Like, that's where we're at,where it's the accusation of
anti-Semite is just thrown ateverybody now, everything.
And it doesn't matter what youactually think.
And and part of me thinksthey're doing that on purpose.
(47:26):
Like they're they're not stupid,right?
They know that they're purposelythey're they're turning people
off with what they're doing, andit's it almost seems
intentional, like they're tryingto rile people up, and they're
trying to get these things tolike that.
I don't know, man.
It just a lot of it seems likeshow show like a show to me.
(47:48):
It's uh it's it's all just verybizarre.
So yeah, so you know theaccusations from from Gavin.
Um I don't know.
I I'm uh try trying to justhandle this conversation in a
way that doesn't seem like we'reconspiracy theorists or anything
(48:11):
like that.
Like I don't I don't know how Idon't know how else you go about
this conversation.
Like I I go into it with an openmind.
Um I want if we're Catholic,like I want to hold the Catholic
position on this.
But when you look into what thechurch has always taught on
this, it's very consistent up toa very specific period in time,
and that's the war.
Once World War II happens, it'slike the Catholic position just
(48:32):
kind of gets deflated.
It doesn't even change, it justgets deflated.
And then after Nostra Tate, allwe're talking about is God wills
the diversity of religions andthe Abrahamic faith house and
things like that.
It's I I don't know, man.
Like I how how do people not seethe connection there?
(48:53):
I don't know.
That's all I see is theconnection there.
SPEAKER_03 (48:57):
You know, and and I mean, uh, I'll say that I I
still fall on the side that likesomething like the Holocaust
happened, you know, that theNazis did that the Nazis did
target and and purposefully killJews.
SPEAKER_04 (49:12):
And that doesn't mean I'm gonna turn in camps and
did all that.
Yeah, that's right, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (49:17):
But that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit back and let
someone like Gavin Ashtonslander a good and holy priest
like Father Modsley just forhaving the gall of bringing up,
you know, uh questioning the ahistorical event.
We can question every otherhistorical event in history and
let except that one.
Why?
SPEAKER_04 (49:34):
That's the question, why and and and and the and the
whole like the the the hatred ofethnic this like no i have not
heard a single person like talkabout any kind of violence of
any kind, they're just we'rejust talking about like how
absurd everything is in in inour faces right now.
SPEAKER_03 (49:57):
Father Modsley went to prison for years when he was
younger fighting for a differentethnicity than him, and you have
the temerity to call him names,Gavin Ashington.
Are you joking me?
SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
Yeah, he's he's liberal cuck.
He's he's such a weird dude,man.
Like, it's so funny.
If you if you listen to him talkabout Protestants, he will go on
these vile rants aboutProtestants, he'll say things
about like Calvin Robinson thatyou're just like and that's like
a person he knows, yeah.
(50:29):
Like he'll say some of the mostmean, vicious things about
someone he knows.
This is why um when when youwhen you get down to it, when
whenever you get to people whoum who who push for things like
like Gavin is, and that goes forthings like immigration, also,
right?
Like people who are who arepushing these platitudes,
(50:51):
pushing these platitudes forsome far-off thing that they
never actually encounter tovirtue signal.
It's like I'm for immigration.
That's because you live in asuper white neighborhood where
you don't have to deal with likethe actual consequences of
immigration.
I'm I defend the Jews.
That's because it makes you looklike you're some moral
grandstander, but you don'tactually care about this issue.
(51:12):
But then it comes to a personyou actually know and you're
ruthlessly mean to them, right?
Like that, that's that's thedifference, right?
So these people that push forimmigration, they have all these
problems in their own familybecause they can love some
far-off idea because it neveractually touches their life, and
it's like, oh, I'm a virtuousperson, I support immigration,
(51:33):
but then you you you don't speakto your child or you don't speak
to your sister, yeah, yeah,because they wore a mega hat
once, yeah, because theydisagree with them on politics.
Gavin will cut people out of hislife because they disagree with
his friends and partners.
I mean, that's what it seemslike, right?
(51:54):
Like they had a conversationwith Father Maudsley, and he
just ends the relationship.
Like that to me, like, don'ttalk to me about the moral
complicity and the knock it off.
You're not a good man, likeyou're not a good guy, you are a
fraud, like in all honesty,you're not you're not actually
like this.
(52:14):
You put on the airs with thisproper, prim and proper.
I have I speak like I'm a anaristocrat from England, and I
must say I was the chaplain tothe queen, but I will screw over
the people who actually meansomething to me in my life
because I disagree with them.
Like, I don't actually care whatyou think of me, Gavin.
I'm going to be honest.
(52:35):
You're not actually a goodperson.
You can pretend you are, and youmay you may fool people with
your uh your accent and make itlike you're a good man, but I I
see what you do to people, likethe things you've said about
Calvin Robinson and the way youjust kind of abandon Catholic
Unscription.
Like, I'm sorry, but like you'renot you don't fool me in even
(52:55):
the slightest bit.
And I didn't even mean to gohere with this conversation.
I kind of started this as mybad.
I didn't mean to go here withthis conversation, but I'm just
so tired of people pretendingthey're good people.
Like, do not do that.
SPEAKER_03 (53:12):
Like, this isn't you and me putting on airs like
we'll be the first to admit,like no, better than us, people
like better than us.
SPEAKER_04 (53:20):
I'm good to the people in my life.
Like, I have other than my sonwho I yelled at before for
breaking my chair.
He did like I have goodrelationships with my family,
like I have eight siblings, weall get along, we all love one
another, and we disagree about alot, but like the people God put
in my life, I love and I do thebest I can to to be a good
(53:41):
brother, a good husband, a goodfather.
I do everything I can to dothat.
But I'm critical of like thisthing that I see could be an
issue in the culture because I'mI'm really worried about it, so
that's a that's an issue thatI'm I'm very concerned with.
Um like when things come tothings like immigration.
Yeah, I see what this is doingto the communities of my
(54:03):
country.
So, yes, I'm going to speak outabout that.
That doesn't make me uhuncharitable.
Like, and yes, I'm going todefend myself against these
insane accusations by GavinAshenden.
Because it's actually like thesubtle not at not saying our
name, but just like it's likethe the what do you call that?
Like uh when you tweet somebodylike that.
(54:25):
Uh subtweeting.
Subtweeting.
It's like like this subtweetthat you're doing about me.
Like everybody knows who you'retalking about, but don't throw
shots at me because I don'tfirst off, I've never done it to
you.
I don't like come out of thegame.
I when we addressed yourconversation with Scott Hahn, it
was very respectful to you.
But this is just bizarre.
Like saying I'm morallycomplicit in the Bondy attacks
(54:47):
because we're having theseconversations with Father
Mawsley, stop it.
Like, I'm just I'm just not Idon't know, man.
I'm just not fooled by people.
I I kind of know I know I knowwhen I'm pretty good judge of
character.
So I don't know.
All right, we can end this.
I what I would like to actuallydo on locals.
(55:10):
I have I have a very personalstory that happened to me that
the you know the womanpropaganda kid who got slapped,
and then he he was reallyembarrassed by the slap.
I haven't watched a second.
SPEAKER_03 (55:23):
You haven't watched the video?
SPEAKER_04 (55:24):
Okay, well, the this the I would have to be like I
know what you're talking about.
I would have done it on thisside, but there's bad language
in the video.
Um, but he he basically he wentto an event and some guy came
out and smacked him in the face,and the kid ran away, and
everybody lambasted him, and hewas mortified and embarrassed.
And so he tried to like you knowcome back from it, and he goes
(55:46):
back and he flew across thecountry to some other event.
This guy was at and he tried toget in his face and he tried
acting like a tough guy and fiveand he made a total fool of
himself, even worse.
I I wanna I want to tell us apersonal story that happened to
me that could can help anybodythat's in a situation like that,
I think.
Um because these things dohappen to us in life where you
(56:12):
you mean to you you you cowerdown in a situation and you
think you might even thinkyou're doing the right thing in
the moment because you're likeyou're swallowing your pride in
the moment, and you're like, allright, I'm not I'm not going to
get into a fight in thissituation, but then you then you
leave and it eats at your soulbecause you should have you'd
(56:35):
have been better off gettingyour teeth kicked in and going
to the hospital than lookinglike a fool.
Um, a body and blight and crisisconsulting.
So that's what we're gonna do onthe other side.
So um at at at least one of thethings we're gonna do on the
other side, and we'll do someother stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (56:50):
So if you guys are not local supporters, I feel
like we should have switchedsides, probably.
SPEAKER_04 (56:54):
I probably should have done the Gavin thing over
there.
SPEAKER_03 (56:55):
I look I started that, that's my bad.
SPEAKER_04 (57:00):
Yeah, you got me riled up.
SPEAKER_03 (57:01):
I wasn't even gonna go.
Well, I was yeah, it was gettingme riled up.
SPEAKER_04 (57:05):
I saw you getting man calling him a liberal and
all right, we're gonna do this,we'll do this.
Look, guys, I'm sorry, sometimessometimes things come out.
Um yeah, wow.
This show, this show is uheverybody say this is definitely
a local segment.
(57:29):
Well, here's the thing if youenjoyed that segment, that's
kind of what we do on locals.
So if you if you enjoyed that,please come over and join our
locals.
SPEAKER_03 (57:36):
That's where that's where we still don't like
swearing on locals like I didjust now.
So that's you gotta keep itcool, Rob.
You can't be dropping F bombs.
That's uh it's been a week ofbeing miserably sick.
You know, like I have energy forthe first time in a week.
SPEAKER_04 (57:49):
Yeah, I threw a chair across my basement because
my I saw that I saw that andheard that.
Yeah, I kind of came into thisshow a little riled up.
All right, so we're gonna goover to locals and I'm gonna I'm
gonna try and I'm gonna try andexplain how woman propaganda
could have handled that,salvaged his reputation, and not
destroyed his career by being atotal idiot.
(58:11):
Like he's just he just lookseven more foolish than he was.
So come over to locals and we'lltalk over there.
Uh that's a good point.
So many Holocaust movies.
How many holodomore movies canyou think of?
SPEAKER_03 (58:24):
Not a one.
SPEAKER_04 (58:25):
All right, take us out, Rob.
SPEAKER_03 (58:27):
Do we have any good?
I didn't get that song fromEnoch up yet.
SPEAKER_04 (58:30):
Uh I yeah, there's this that you know what I want
to plug Enoch's song.
Uh can we just play that songgoing out?
SPEAKER_03 (58:41):
If you gave me three, four minutes, maybe you
can't get it up.
Well, hold on.
Yeah, you know what?
I bet if I just go, I bet I can.
I can find it.
Give me a second, everyone.
Yeah, I can find something.
SPEAKER_04 (58:52):
Um man.
Oh, we have another good videoof these three three young black
kids that stole a car andcrashed.
We could we could do that overon locals too.
Uh yeah, so uh all right.
So the uh I'm sorry, three youngboys in Ohio, ages 8, 11, and
12, led police on a chase and astolen car before crashing into
(59:14):
a home authority said.
Police reported the 11-year-oldwas behind the wheel and three
fled on foot.
When questioned byinvestigators, the boys said
they went to a store when theyspotted a vehicle.
One boy allegedly said thatsomething just came over his
body and he could not controlit.
He needed to take the car.
I want to talk about that.
And we have the video of thecops running up on the kids.
(59:35):
But let's let's go out of theshow with this Enoch song.
Like, if you guys don't haveEnoch album, go download it.
This song, I don't know, man.
I love this freaking song.
It was such a good one.
SPEAKER_08 (59:46):
So we'll we'll end with this I don't want Joey.
I want the real Jesus.
You know what I'm talking about?
Hey, I'm laid back in my Bibleopen.
(01:00:08):
You to barely a whole leisure.
Flip my phone, I'm scrollingthrough, man.
Why do I see some woke Jesus?
I'm rainbow hugging, oh Jesus.
Don't deceive us.
I don't need them.
Let Rome Jesus let history speakfrom Josephus to Oleo.
SPEAKER_07 (01:00:22):
Hey, hey, give me that crazy turn up better than
flat.
Give me that claim to stack upand bless.
Hey, give me that Christmasblood for me.
Give me that Christmas, hey.
SPEAKER_08 (01:00:39):
I don't want your Jesus, I just want the real one.
I don't want your virgin, I justwant the real head.
I don't need no fluffy saver.
You the made up.
I don't want your Jesus, I justwant the real one.
I don't want your Jesus.
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