September 17, 2025 • 49 mins
The assassination of Charlie Kirk has shattered America's political landscape, leaving many wondering how to process the tragedy and what comes next. As our nation grapples with this shocking act of violence, the most revealing aspect isn't just who pulled the trigger—it's how half the country responded.
While grief and outrage have united many conservatives, disturbing celebrations from certain corners of the political left expose the dangerous division at America's core. Can a nation survive when political opponents see each other not just as wrong, but as enemies deserving elimination? This question looms over every aspect of this tragedy.
The fog of conflicting narratives exemplifies what military strategists call "fifth generation warfare"—a battle for information that creates such confusion that citizens become paralyzed, unable to determine what's true. "You don't know what to believe, so you sit there and don't act," as one host explains. "You don't unite with the people you should unite with. You don't fight against the people you should fight against." This information chaos serves those who benefit from a fractured, inactive populace.
Equally concerning is how some conservative figures have responded by adopting progressive frameworks they once opposed. When ex-Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi declared "There's free speech and then there's hate speech," she undermined long-standing conservative principles—the same principles that protected religious liberty in cases like the famous wedding cake controversy. This inconsistency suggests a troubling opportunism that could backfire dramatically when political winds shift.
As Catholics and people of faith navigate this tragedy, we face profound questions about balancing free expression with moral imperatives. While absolute free speech may not align with traditional Catholic teaching, defining boundaries requires wisdom to avoid partisan traps that ultimately harm everyone.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Because IQ is largely genetic and because it is
closely tied to violent crime,mandating the sterilization of
those with IQs under 93 wouldlikely drop violent crimes to
10% of current rate, no morethan two generations from now.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Thank you, it's like the fourth, fourth crusade all
(01:16):
over again he never drops theball man like he just.
He never misses that kid, he isjust so good so he sends it to
me late last night.
He's like I don't have anythingfor tomorrow, but I made this a
couple days ago and maybe youguys can use it.
I'm like you made the mostgenius thing a couple days that
(01:40):
kid does not miss.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He's amazing.
I actually gave him a homeworkassignment.
I posted the clip of theSimpsons clip of the Protestant
heaven and Catholic heaven and Isaid I know it's a cartoon, but
if you can somehow get CharlieKirk in Catholic heaven, do you
have any idea, bro?
I think the Protestants arelosing their mind over candace
(02:04):
saying that charlie was prayingthe rosary losing.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I think it might be a little too soon to play jokes
with that yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
So yeah, it's poor taste.
All right, we'll give it a,we'll give it a little bit, but
give it, I mean.
I mean, we all know charliekirk was praying the rosary.
I mean, it's a wrap, he wascatholic, and if he wasn't
catholic before, he is now he isnow now he is now, so I don't
know.
I'm calling it a win.
Yeah, we've had some, someinteresting side conversations,
you and I, so I'm watching thefiasco caused by Candace, right.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
She's good at that, man dude.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
she had two hundred 258 000 live viewers on youtube
before like what wait?
What do we?
What do we?
Have 200 if we're lucky, it'sbeen rough.
It's been rough lately 230 liveviewers and she has 258 000 live
(03:05):
viewers.
Man, that girl, it's such aninteresting.
Um.
Well, okay, so, uh, uh.
Mrs c says it's too soon forcandace to talk about it at all.
I don't know, man, when, whensome something's close to your
heart like this because she wasfriends with charlie um, and
there's some mystery surroundingsome of the circumstances, like
(03:28):
I don't know how, I meanespecially her, she doesn't know
how to not, you know, it's,it's I.
I just don't think she, she, Idon't think she could.
There are stereotypes there.
Yeah, well, I mean, um, it's,it's funny, because my wife
doesn't watch podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Adrian, are you sure?
You sure it wasn't more like240,000-ish?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh boy, I'm making those jokes already.
My wife doesn't watch, likepodcasts and stuff.
And I come home yesterday andshe's got Candace on and she's
watching Candace and it's likeall right, she's not watching
Lila, that's a win, right I?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
mean her not watching Lila is a win.
Her watching Candace is maybenot a win.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, well, I think you and I are going to have a
different perspective on this.
And so, man, my, my because mywife's an artist and she mainly
sees, like what artists areposting on their Instagram and
(04:39):
stuff, right, and they're all.
She's basically like I don'tlike, she's devastated about
what happened to Charlie.
And then she's like I don'tlike, she's devastated about
what happened to Charlie, andthen she's like I don't
understand what's wrong withpeople.
I'm seeing people on Instagramsaying things like why are
people so focused on CharlieKirk when children are dying in
Gaza?
And like, like things like that.
(05:00):
And I'm like, I'm like, like,first of all, like plenty of
people are very focused onwhat's going on in gaza, like I
don't, you know this isn't?
It's such a weird thing to say.
It's like, well, because theguy was a very prominent figure
and the and the imagery thatcame from that event was so
traumatic for the country andthat's why people are talking
(05:22):
about like, like the leftistmind is so bizarre, the way they
justify things and try to tryto you know, whatever.
So, um, yeah, well, she somehowfigured out the passcode to get
on.
I don't know, I tried to lockher out, but, um, one, two,
three four wasn't that difficult, no, it wasn't that tricky.
(05:42):
Um, so yeah, so she, she isinteresting because so she,
she's, she's.
She doesn't watch podcasts,right, but then every once in a
while she'll just go on youtubeand whatever comes on, comes on
and because, like she subscribedto us, like they'll give her
catholic stuff and then they'llgive her candace, owens and
she'll, she'll see like candaceand milo on together and then
(06:04):
she'll see a nick fuentes clipand she'll see Candace and Milo
on together and then she'll seea Nick Fuentes clip.
And she doesn't understand whyMilo and Nick don't like each
other and Candace and Nick don'tlike each other.
She doesn't know anythingthat's going on.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We could just take this from a stereotype
perspective with those three,and it explains it pretty well.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It kind of stinks because I would, uh, I think,
well, I don't think we'll have ashot at getting milo now
because he's going to go back ontour and he's going to do his
college campus thing, but Ithink I would give, uh, I think,
I think we would get a verygood interview out of milo.
But I know, like the way thefactions are divided right now,
you do that and then you pissoff these people.
(06:45):
It's just so bizarre how peopleare so caught into their tribes
that you can't just have aninteresting conversation with
somebody without it setting offa whole other brigade of people
being furious that you talk tothat person but it would be nice
to kind of talk to all of themas people not really involved
(07:06):
with any of them.
Yeah, so OK.
So the Candace thing, ok.
So you had messaged how didthis conversation start, where
it was like, do you want tonurse the nurse and doctor?
It started with the nurse anddoctor.
It started with the nurse anddoctor thing, right.
(07:27):
But um, then I I sent you, Isent you the let's let's play
the clip I sent you of the, ofthe, of the newscaster.
So okay, we're gonna give youguys a little context here.
So I, rob and I are in a groupchat with a couple of guys and I
saw this clip and I said I Ithink this girl, well, you said
(07:48):
I'm so jaded that, yeah, I saidI'm so jaded that I think this
girl is just being anopportunist and that this isn't
like an authentic thing.
But I didn't tweet it because I,because of the nurse thing,
like I'm like, oh man, I like Idon't like women who are
(08:10):
desperate for attention at alllike it.
Just something about it justlike infuriates me.
So I don't like women full stop, yes, but especially attention
seeking women, right?
So when the nurse thinghappened, I just I don't know, I
saw that.
What so the the nurse story isthe nurse, uh, her overheard a
doctor, say something aboutcharlie kirk?
(08:32):
Like not caring about charliekirk or something?
and she went on her facebook orwhatever to be fair to her, it
was in front of other doctorsand patient in a patient and she
reported it to management first, okay, and then, when they did
nothing, then she went to, thenshe went on facebook, right, the
instagram that she also posedpictures of her bikinis so when
(08:56):
I, when I saw that, I'm like,yeah, I hate the surgeon, the
surgeon should be fired, but Ihate this woman too, I just, I
just I wanted, I wanted thesurgeon fired for what he said
and I wanted her fired forpublic indecency like that was
my mindset, I'm like, I'm likethis thing looks like an only
fans ad, like that's how itlooks and I was just disgusted.
(09:18):
But it was so close to theincident that even you had to
say something publicly.
So I'm like, all right, thatwas a bad take.
Like it's not.
You know, it's a bad take, okay.
So I had a bad take.
So the next one that came intomy head was this one and I'm
like I better not tweet this.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Let me send this to the group chat it's a good thing
you didn't, because we were alllike don't be stupid so I'm
like, let me send this to thegroup chat and test it out.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I need to make sure I don't get pushback.
Well, it's not just pushback,it's that, because I still do
think what I think about this.
But is it too time sensitivewhere I shouldn't do it yet?
And you made a really goodpoint to me.
So let's play the clip and thenwe'll give context here.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Much for tuning into Marketplace today.
So I want to talk aboutsomething for a minute, and it
is heavy, so please bear with me.
I want you to know that it'sokay if you feel sadness, it's
okay if you're grieving.
Two days ago, I lost a mentor,my first boss, the first person
who made me believe in myself.
That encouraged me to chasethis dream that you're watching
(10:29):
right now, charlie Kirk.
There's a lot going on in ourworld right now, in our country,
but I want to say one thingLean on your neighbors, speak up
for what you believe in, Idon't care what it is.
I want to share with you one ofmy favorite sayings that
Charlie would always tell us atthe office.
He would yell it from themountaintop.
(10:51):
So please listen.
When conversations stophappening, when individuals
become wordless, that's whenviolence begins.
So if you do one thing today,make it be with passion.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Okay, you guys get it right.
So local ABC affiliate anchorBenny Ray Harmony resigns after
she was suspended for payingtribute to Charlie Kirk live on
air, and then she puts out thestatement Many in the mainstream
media have been fired orpunished for mocking his
assassination.
I believe I am the first to betargeted for honoring him on air
(11:26):
.
My resignation is guided byvalues that are essential to who
I am, which I refuse to setaside in order to keep a job.
I choose my faith and love ofcountry and always will
unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You should be ashamed of yourselves, uh, abc now
adrian has a very importantquestion for you guys stop I'm
not stop.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You're gonna make me apologize.
Stop it.
You have it yet?
No, I haven't, but I do feelbad about that.
So, um so now I said to rob inthe group chat.
I said I'm so jaded.
I think this is self-servingand like she resigned, she
wasn't fired.
I don't even know if she was,she was suspended.
(12:06):
I just think she's looking fora better job and just wants to
make it all about herself.
Rob, what did you actually say?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I said so you said I'm so jaded that I think she
planned this to jump, plannedthis to jumpstart her solo
career and I said look, I get it, but ultimately, ultimately.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So what if she did?
Let's use it to tear down aliberal broadcast channel.
Don't let perfect be the enemyof good.
And and so, like I'm trying towork this whole situation out of
what's happening around us.
Right, so like, that is whatgave me the like, the idea for
the show tonight, because Robmade me think with that
statement right, don't letperfect be the.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And so because, even if this woman was doing that for
self-aggrandizement or to makeyou know, to jumpstart a solo
career, or for attention oranything like, I might be right,
I don't know, I was justguessing.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I think you probably are, but I don't care.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But don't miss the opportunity to take down this
disgusting people, who evensuspended her for this Right.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Right.
I mean we have to prioritizethe problems we have, right, and
like like, yeah, we can dealwith um, as you would put it
uppity broad at a later date.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Let's deal with the people that literally cheer when
we get murdered so the thing islike I agree with that, but but
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to simp forCharlie here.
I'm not becoming a simp inhonor of Charlie.
I love.
Charlie but I'm not All right,so I'm still allowed to fight.
(13:48):
As long as it gross womenbehavior and fight leftists at
the same time.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Right, I don't have to give up on anybody.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Let things distract from like the opportunity that
we have right now andunfortunately I think it's
already happening and weprobably already lost the
momentum and it's probably allscrewed and we might as well
just take the black belt nowbecause we're all Well, I do see
the administration totallydropping the ball right, like
there is this there was thisfeeling of momentum, not just I
(14:21):
don't it's such a weird way tosay it, but there was a feeling
of, of genuine hurt and anger,and people have kind of had it
right and you're seeing the thesame old tropes that leftists
would throw at us about, likefree speech and stuff like that,
and I think people have gottento a point where they're just
like we don't care about freespeech right now.
You don't have the right to bea vile, disgusting human being.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, hold on.
First off, I'm not sure whatthis is in regard to.
We haven't talked about anymeans, that would be immoral,
yet we're not suggestinganything like that.
Um, I think we can stillaccomplish a lot, even if, like
the administration and likegovernmental structures aren't
(15:07):
behind us.
Honestly, just having theattitude of sorry, we don't give
an f anymore, like you can'tcontrol us with these threats
and we're going to use it rightback against you in the public
sphere, I think that could beenough to at least set back the
move, that movement, for a whileyeah, I do too.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I think it's.
It's interesting because foryears we were in the other side
of the other side of the um,like the pendulum, where it was.
They had this ability to get uscanceled and to get us, you
know, get us banned from things.
Where there is a bit ofmomentum on our side right now,
where, if they do say some vilestuff, we can push back and
(15:48):
maybe get some people to facesome consequences, which I do
think is a good thing.
Um, and and then the broaderquestion of candace came up,
because you're, like, peoplegoing down the typical
conspiracy lane are missing theforest for the trees, like we
(16:10):
should be focusing in on thisleftist stuff and we shouldn't
be missing an opportunity hereto actually get some stuff done.
Yeah, to then go down theconspiracy rabbit hole, right
well.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So for me, like the most telling thing of of what we
saw last week and this weekendand stuff I mean obviously the
the murder of charlie itselflike, yes, whoever was involved
with that, whoever they may be,whether it's just this one kid,
a network of like-minded peoplelike him, or the israeli
(16:43):
government, whoever is involvedwith that yes, we do need to
bring them to justice.
But the larger issue at hand,at least in my opinion, was how
half the country reacted.
Right, and that shouldn't havesurprised anyone, I think, even
if you intellectually recognizethat that was the case.
It is different than seeing itright and hearing it and stuff
(17:05):
like that.
But I think that's the largerissue, that's the more pressing
issue, um, and we do need todeal with that.
I think that's the real problemis that half the country wants
the other half the country dead.
Yeah, they're on.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And they really do.
They do All right.
So the Candace thing theproblem is we'll see clips and
people will post clips like ashort three-minute segment of
something she said and they'llframe it the way they want a
short three minute segment ofsomething she said and they'll
frame it the way they want.
And you think that what candaceis saying is the jews are
(17:43):
behind this and that's notactually what she's saying.
She's pointing out like howshameless bb netanyahu was to go
on tv the day of or the nextday and instead of just saying
something nice about CharlieKirk, he's like Charlie Kirk was
a big supporter of Israel andjust tried to start framing the
(18:05):
whole thing around Israel.
They did that.
There were some things that wewere starting to see in Charlie
Kirk where he was starting tojust have.
He refused to take TuckerCarlson off of his tour and he
was refused to take TuckerCarlson off of off of his tour
and he was starting to have theconversation around around this
question and saying like if youguys don't allow any
(18:27):
conversation at all to happen orcriticism of the Israeli
government whatsoever, you'regoing to start building actual
anti-Semitism.
They were furious that he wastaking this position.
So Candace kind of just wentthrough this whole thing
outlining how that positionchanged.
At no time did she say they werebehind what happened the other
day.
But that does lead to likereally weird events that did
(18:53):
occur around that day.
One of them is that, like BillAckman offers, offers a million
dollar reward to the person whohelps find the killer and that
turns out to be the killer's dad, who's a mormon, and he gets a
million dollar reward now forturning in his gay son no, he's
giving it to the kirk familyokay, yeah, well, that well,
(19:15):
yeah, but okay, so that's good.
There's still like a lot ofweird stuff and when we like
when I was, even when I wastalking about this the other day
it's not like at any point Ithought Israel hired an agent to
go and do this.
It's more like what we saw with, like the Gretchen Whitmer
(19:35):
kidnapping you remember theGretchen Whitmer kidnapping
where it was like yeah, it wasentrapment by the federal
government.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, it was like entrapment.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Right Now we've been talking about these different
cells, even from the kid out inMinneapolis right Like he was
part of these weird groups andstuff.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And it is the same groups.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The same groups, right?
There's not an ounce of me thatdoubts that we have
intelligence assets inside ofthese groups.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
The question is are are they there spying on them or
pushing them on?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
or pushing them on right and I think it's both
right.
I do.
I I think some of it is spyingand they're probably preventing
some things, but then Iguarantee in other cases they're
provoking stuff to get theirpolitical ends Right.
So that doesn't mean thatsomebody is directly hired by
this person or somebody is anagent of this person.
It means that there's people inthese groups who are acting
(20:32):
like they're part of the group,who are actually antagonizing
things or oh wait, you know, wescoped this place out and you
probably have a good shot fromthis area, right?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And these groups are ideological children of the
groups that the KGB supported.
It's been well known that theRussian FSB has kept in contact
with some of them, so you knowyou probably have Russian agents
in there, and I'm not sayingthey're behind this or anything.
(21:04):
Right.
But then you have, you know,american counterintelligence and
probably Britishcounterintelligence, and like
all intelligence agencies allacross the world, from every
country, have their own agendasand they're often more in line
with each other each others thanthey are with their respective
nations.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So you get into with this.
So like people will will talkabout like mk ultra and they
think that the government's likeputting lsd and people's things
to mind, control them.
Like we're at a point now whereyou don't need to do any of
that kind of stuff especiallywhen you're dealing with groups
like these people on the left,where they're already mentally
unstable Right, it doesn't takemuch to provoke these people in
(21:47):
like you see them cheering forsomething like this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Plus the average drug your average soccer mom takes
in a day, way more powerful thanthe LSD they used in MK Ultra.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
So, like these people are all on ssris, they're all
eating cannabis now they're allall these things.
They're very easy.
It doesn't take lsd, it takesgood propaganda, and they have
perfected the art of propaganda.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So like not even, not even necessarily propaganda.
I mean uh, I mean yeah, someobviously, but like pornography
yeah I mean, for instance, the,the weird guy that was yelling
uh yeah, oh man, they foundchild, yeah, child porn on his
phone on his phone, and it'swell known that these groups are
(22:32):
they.
They peddle in child porn too.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
They peddle in child porn too.
Dude, we've been talking for acouple of years now about how
artificial intelligence is goingto do this and that the
government's going to be able toknow every single text message
that goes out.
And they've infiltrated everysingle Like.
There's not.
Even you can't even go on thesignal app without them tracking
you, right.
So I find it very hard tobelieve that these groups exist
(22:59):
and that we don't have Intelagencies inside of them knowing
exactly what's going on.
I find it very hard to believethat when they release those
text messages from from thosetwo today, as if that wasn't
just a way to cover for theboyfriend, like it's just silly,
but even the fact that some ofthe stuff's redacted and then
(23:20):
other stuff's put in, there's notimestamps on anything.
So to the larger question of doI think Candace is helping the
conversation?
Yes, because it's.
I don't.
I think it's good.
For I know you may not agreewith this, but I think that
we're all thinking differentlynow than we would have when we
just had, like, the three majornews outlets giving us
information, you know.
(23:40):
But there's there's also anaspect of so my.
So my wife was watching candaceand she's going through all
this, my wife's like I don'tunderstand if, like, if, if
israel is really this powerful,like, why haven't they gotten
candace?
And I said, okay.
So here's the thing candacegoes off so much on some of
these things that it's easy forpeople to just go.
(24:02):
Candace is a crazy conspiracytheorist therefore, everyone who
believes similar things is thesame it's just a crazy
conspiracy theorist where whatcharlie was doing was way more
dangerous because charlie wasjust being rational and starting
to like, question thingsslightly like and if he does
start to come around on thatquestion slowly and not down
some crazy oh my goodness, theUSS Liberty thing and it's more
(24:25):
just like hey, like you know,maybe we should ask this
question.
Charlie has millions of peoplewatching him and it's way more
dangerous for somebody like that, who everybody trusts and it
doesn't seem as a crazyconspiracy theorist.
That's a way more dangerousperson than Candace Owens is to
them.
Because Candace people you seeit all over Twitter People are
just like Candace is crazy,she's a liar, she's there, she's
(24:47):
that calf.
Half the comments are people inrage that Candace had the
audacity to say Charlie, you'retoo smart to be Protestant.
It's amazing how people likereact to one little thing and
miss, miss the forest for thetrees and in clips when they're.
When you're seeing everythingin sound bites and clips
nowadays like it's.
It's really an interesting timeto be alive and to see these,
(25:09):
because I kind of went into thisthinking that candace wasn't
helping the conversation andthen I listened to candace's
show and I was like, wow, likethis is.
This is kind of like importantwhat she's, what she's going
through right now.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
but will it actually allow for any action to be taken
?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I don't know okay.
So part of what I think we haveto also be cautious of is, you
know how, like we're gettingdrummed up about left and right
and we we're like we have to dosomething about the left, we
have to like so much of this isjust building tension between
the left and right in our owncountry and causing but we can't
, we can't, we can't live nextto them.
(25:49):
I know I'm not disagreeing withyou.
You know I don't know what todo, but I do.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I agree.
We shouldn't be driven blindlyinto what someone else wants
Right and a left versus rightdialectic at all times.
We shouldn't be driven toanother Iraq war with propaganda
, for instance.
So we do have to be prudent andreasonable and things like that
.
But what really worries me andwe talked on this on an episode
(26:18):
a year or two ago about fifthgeneration warfare is that the
the whole idea behind fifthgeneration warfare and that's
basically information warfare isis to make it to where you
can't believe anything.
You don't believe anything oryou don't know what to believe.
The second you believesomething, you suddenly find
something that makes you notbelieve in, and now you, you
(26:40):
know you're always going down adifferent rabbit hole the fog of
war right.
Like you don't know, dude, I'mvery much in that place and
because of that, you're afraidto act, because you don't
believe in what you even thinkyou believe.
You don't know what to believe,so you sit there and not.
You don't act, you don't doanything.
You don't unite with the don'tdo anything.
You don't unite with the peopleyou should unite against.
You don't fight against thepeople you should fight against.
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So they disarm societycompletely by just making it to
where you don't know what tobelieve.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You don't know who to trust, right, you don't know
who to trust.
You don't know if the personlike even look at Trump
throughout this whole thing.
Man, I'm so infuriated with himright now.
He is such a narcissistic, Idon't know man, charlie Kirk got
him elected and watching himjust say one or two quick
(27:34):
statements about him and thenjust kind of move on.
At least JD Vance understandsthe gravity of the situationd
vance, I mean, some you have.
You know you can have whateveropinions you want of jd vance,
but at least he understands thegravity of the situation, how,
how attached to charlie theamerican people were and even if
they weren't attached to him,how big of an event this was on
(27:55):
the american psyche.
So so jd vance got up and saidsome very powerful thing.
I mean, he went up and said theNicene Creed.
Essentially, I never thoughtI'd hear the vice president of
the United States get up and saythe Nicene Creed on air.
It was.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I think, I think we're seeing a Trump, a Trump
that was either way moreaffected by the assassination
attempt than we thought or isreally just suffering from old
age at this point, and I think,from what everyone says that
(28:34):
knew him and Charlie and theirrelationship, that he is
probably just grieving, you know, in, maybe the only way he
knows, how.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's like .
Well, I don't know, man, Ithink the whole situation has
been very reminiscent of likenine 11, almost where you don't
know when it's appropriate tostop talking about it.
Right, like I still remember,after nine 11, you couldn't take
(29:09):
your eyes off the TV and you,like I remember wondering, three
months on from and I don'tthink this is that impactful,
obviously, but three months onafter 9-11, there wasn't a
single day where every singleNew York newspaper didn't have a
picture of ground zero on thefront cover.
And.
I remember thinking like isanything else ever going to be
front page news?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You even saw that this year, 24 years later, there
were some people who were upsetthat the anniversary of 9-11
were overshadowed by theassassination of Charlie.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It's an interesting one because 9-11 really is such
an impactful event.
Anybody over 35?
How old are you?
I'm 36.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I would say anybody over 34 35.
It was a very, very, veryimpactful if, if you watched it
in school basically, andremember watching in school,
yeah, and it impacted you forsure yeah, um.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
So even this though, right.
So who benefits?
Right, like there also is adegree of which you can't just
see, the see something thathappened and find the evidence
you want to find to make thatthe case, right so, and there's
so there's so much of that goingon through this fog of war
(30:33):
fifth generational warfare stufftoo where we all kind of have
this preconce, this fog of war,fifth generational warfare stuff
too, where we all kind of havethis preconceived idea of what
happened, before we even knowwhat happened and you don't have
all the evidence out there.
Like there's no conspiracy yet.
Rob, you were saying this to mein the green room there's no
conspiracy yet because the, thegovernment hasn't told us the
story right.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You can't have a conspiracy theory if you don't
have, if you haven't beenprovided yet with the full
narrative you're supposed tobelieve.
We don't even have that yetyeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So there's not even anything to pick apart and say
they're lying to us about, yetwe're just getting these bits
and pieces of things.
It does look like they'retrying to make it seem that one
man did this and one man wasresponsible, and I don't think
anybody's buying that I don't, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Who do you mean?
They?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I don't think the fbi is seeing the indictment so far
is just about the one guy.
The news reports are beingpresented about these text
messages trying to absolve theboyfriend.
Even the way the news, the newsis presenting it like.
Oh, it's so strange, we havethat clip of that creepy news
reporter.
You think you can find thatcreepy news reporter presenting
(31:42):
I know what you're talking about.
Presenting it.
It's actually a tweet.
You responded to me, I tweetedit out and I said that anybody
believes these text messages arereal and I don't think I
tweeted it that long ago.
So, like I know I tweet a lot,I got it.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
listen to how this news reporter is presenting this
is this is obscene we have seenuh, an alleged murder with such
specific text messages aboutthe alleged murder weapon, where
it was hidden, how it wasplaced, what was.
But also it was very touchingin a way that I think many of us
didn't expect A very intimateportrait into this relationship
(32:23):
between the suspect's roommateand the suspect himself, with
him repeatedly calling hisroommate who was transitioning,
calling him my love, and I wantto protect you, my love.
So it was this duality ofsomeone who the attorney said
not only jeopardized the life ofCharlie Kirk and the crowd but
was doing it in front ofchildren, which is one of the
aggravating circumstances ofthis case and on the other hand,
(32:45):
he was speaking so lovinglyabout his partner.
So a very interesting and, asPierre said, riveting press
conference.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I think he's already writing a screenplay in his head
press conference.
I think he's already writing ascreenplay in his head.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Is that not unbelievably creepy that he's
even saying like, like it's theduality of man in one, one
moment if he's loving hispartner like, oh, if you're a
guy, a straight guy, a normalguy.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Your instant reaction was you, he just called another
dude.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
My love what's that news article that came out?
It's like when the reaction menhave to seeing two men like
heterosexual men.
If they see two men kiss, it'sthe same as like seeing maggots.
Um, sarah stock uh, I'm not apromoter of e-girls but I did
like this tweet of hers.
(33:37):
She said those messages betweenrobinson and the trans
boyfriend seemed so fake.
If someone close to me textedme that they assassinated a
public figure, I wouldn't belike why did you do it?
I would assume it's some sickjoke and then I would spam call
them until they picked up rightso uh, daffy says, there's a
clip in your DMs, oh, boy, let'ssee it, daffy, if it's the
(34:00):
Simpsons one, we're not he didit, he did it, he did it with
the Simpsons.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Send it to me.
I'll watch it without puttingon.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't know if I can send it, I'll just present it,
hang on.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't know if everyone should, why?
What are you worried about?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
seems a little oh, you think we'll do it on locals.
It seems a little insensitive.
Okay, we'll do it on locals,you guys, you guys are, you guys
are brain, brain damaged overon locals anyway.
So you guys won't judge us allright, if you guys want to see,
it's on locals we don't need law, everybody wants it to play.
Now you gotta.
You gotta watch on locals.
We got a couple things aboutlocals, too.
I want to see it's on locals.
We don't need law, everybodywants it to play it.
Now you got it.
You got to watch on locals.
We got a couple things aboutlocals, too.
(34:40):
I want to, I want to address, Iwant to address somebody on
locals that I can't.
I'm not even going to hint atit over here because I don't
want to start and it's notmichael lofton, but no, it's
nobody.
It's nobody like famous oranything.
It's somebody who's not famous Imean maybe maybe a little
famous, well, as of recent hewas on that jubilee thing.
All right, never mind, we'llget.
(35:01):
Uh, um wait, what was like?
Oh the?
So the sarah stock tweet islike if somebody texted you some
, your loved one, especiallyright.
Like if I texted my wife, readthe note under the computer I
just killed someone.
Like my wife would befrantically calling me, or it'd
be like what, what?
No, what do you?
(35:21):
What?
What kind of ridiculous thingare you saying?
Right now?
There's no chance.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I don't see it under the keyboard.
Are you sure you left it underthe keyboard?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
yeah, that's what it would be like.
There's no chance that youwould react that way if somebody
admitted to the craziest eventhappening in the media at that
moment and like the weirddetails he's describing about.
Oh, they have some other guythey're questioning talking
about the old man.
(35:48):
It's like was this guy likewatching live, as he was on the
run and on the lam and so it wasjust very bizarre.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean, look at you guys guessing like I said,
we, we obviously when you know,we don't.
I don't think the fbi is thefull story yet, but we sure as
the heck don't have it.
Will we ever have it?
I don't know.
But if I had to guess, like,yeah, there's a larger
conspiracy here, in the sense,like other people knew, you know
(36:17):
the so-called boyfriend, thedifferent Discord groups, and
like, yeah, there are people inthose Discord groups that have
connections to the StateDepartment, to the UN, and like
not like high up or anything.
But yeah, I think we're goingto find out that there was a
wider conspiracy.
There has to be At least peoplewho talked about it in a
(36:37):
theoretical sense.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Because there was also all these other messages
that we were seeing all over theplace, people saying look out
for something happening onSeptember 10th and all stuff
like that.
We know there was right.
Bobby says the note under thekeyboard told him to follow the
script to make him look innocent.
That's a probable yeah, thetext.
The note under the keyboardtold him to follow the script to
make him look innocent.
That's a problem.
Yeah, um, the um, yeah, the.
(37:00):
The text messages read out andMatt Walsh pointed this out.
I don't want to.
I don't want to steal it fromhim.
He pointed out perfectly.
It reads like Walter whitetrying to get Skylar off at the
end of breaking bad by making itlike she knew nothing about any
of the stuff he was doing.
So this is the unpaid forlocals, just to get the tea.
(37:22):
Uh, yeah, I, just, I was.
I.
I tried to give some elderbrother advice and I don't know
if he took it.
Uh, I don't know, I'll, I'll,I'll.
I won't say it on here, thoughI don't I'm trying to cause
drama, it's just.
You know, you guys are fine.
(37:47):
People actually get very upsetwhen we put chats up on screen
and don't read them becausethey're driving and listening to
the show or they're doing theaudio only thing.
So somebody just making fun ofme saying a body is trying to
use this fiducia supplicantsglasses to read the texts.
Never used locals before.
(38:09):
You guys don't know what you'remissing over there.
And I think actually we'regoing to start shortening the
YouTube show to like 45 minutesand giving an hour and 15 over
to locals.
We're also going to be bringingon guests for the advice show.
So I'm going to have JoshuaCharles come on one episode.
(38:32):
We're going to have BrianHoldsworth come on for an
episode.
We're going to have MichaelHitchborn come on for an episode
.
We're going to get BrianHoldsworth come on for an
episode.
We're going to have MichaelHitchborn come on for an episode
.
We're going to we're going toget different people to come on.
Hopefully, some of the peoplethat we have come on will be
more theologically sound thanRob and I, so that if you need
advice, you know, if you needlike family advice, rob and I
can help.
But if you have something on atheology question or a question
(38:52):
about the fathers, we'll have aHoldsworth or a Joshua Charles
there to give you guys a littlemore depth.
It'll be like Trad Answers Liveinstead of Catholic Answers
Live.
We're not stealing it, guys.
I promise they steal enoughfrom us.
You guys all steal enough fromus.
So yeah, that's what we'rethinking of doing with locals.
(39:13):
We're going to try differentthings.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
We have the only Catholic gun show for a good
four weeks.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And yeah, and there might be some other news we
could reveal on the other side.
I don't know if we should yet.
I don't know if we should yet.
Yeah, no, not yet.
Soon soon we'll have someinside info for you guys over
there, but, anthony, do you readthe books behind you?
Do you info for you guys?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
over there.
But, um, anthony, hold on, letme see if that's back up do you
read the?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
books behind you.
Actually, uh, the harry potterones.
Yes, they don't have harrypotter.
Um, there are.
There are many that I have readbehind me, but there are also a
lot of books that stevecunningham sends me like daily,
and no, I can't read them all.
Uh, but I am waiting for, uh, atime when I, uh I, I just have
some time to read and I'm goingto read also the um, the young
(40:03):
Protestant boy, dominic, who umis being, who came to mass with
me once and then I was sick thispast weekend so I couldn't
bring him again.
Uh, I'm going to bring a bookor two, I'm going to see what
good book to bring him and lethim have.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
What do you think I should get?
Catholic Controversy by Francisde Sale.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
That's a rough one for a newbie.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, but because he wrote them as little pamphlets,
right that he would drop aroundGeneva.
And then he converted 80,calvinists back to the faith,
and they later collected it intoa big book.
The kid seems smart yeah, hedoes.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Um, I I'll tell you that.
Uh, I would love to get modleyback on to get his opinion on
current events also.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Um so, Mississippi said I should bring.
Where was it?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I know we're kind of going off on tangents right now.
We will get back to to uh, likePam Bondi oh, you want to talk
about how the right is going tobutcher, butcher this whole
opportunity before them?
Like Pam Bondi today, just lookat, just look at how dumb these
people are like.
These are the people we votedin because we thought we were
(41:24):
going to have some well, no onevoted for pam bondi no, but we
voted for the man who put her inposition and, unfortunately,
this is.
This is what the best, this isthe best the right has to offer.
When something like thishappens, they act like leftists,
like the absurdity of this.
God.
(41:47):
What are you waiting for?
Making me look stupid?
Speaker 4 (41:51):
there's free speech and then there's hate speech,
and there is no place especiallynow, especially after what
happened to Charlie, in oursociety, do you?
Speaker 5 (42:01):
see more law enforcement going after these
groups who are using hate speechand putting cuffs on people, so
we show them that some actionis better than no action.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
We will absolutely target you.
Go after you if you aretargeting anyone with hate
speech, anything, and that'sacross the aisle.
How?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
does Barbie get into the attorney general's?
Office.
There is no place.
I don't know.
Like.
This woman is very dim-witted,like all the conservative women
that think she is just a moron.
She's talking about hate speech, seriously.
There's no's talking about hatespeech.
Seriously, there's no suchthing as hate speech.
It is a leftist term they madeup to accuse us of any time
(42:43):
we're being mean.
We're breaking the law.
She also said today that if yougo to like I don't remember
what store she brought up, butlike if you want to have a
printout of Charlie Kirk's facebrought up and they won't print
it for you Office Depot and theywon't print out Charlie Kirk
(43:04):
for you we're going to comeafter you and it's like didn't
we just go through this with thecake thing?
10 years ago, but yeah where thebakery owner didn't want to put
a message that they, you knowthey didn't want to put a
message that they, you know theydidn't want to put a gay
wedding.
They didn't want to make a gaywedding cake.
Like, we'll make you a weddingcake, we're not making a gay
wedding cake, though you knowwe'll serve gay people.
We're not saying we won't servegay people, but we're not going
(43:26):
to put a message onto somethingthat we don't agree with.
So I mean, we've through theSupreme Court, didn't it?
Yeah, it went through theSupreme Court and the bakery won
.
We're now going to re-litigateleftist causes from our
perspective.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I think they're going to say that's true because of
the Office Depot thing.
It really is the same situation.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
It's the same thing.
We don't want to print amessage.
They should have that right.
Go to a different place.
It doesn't mean they can't.
They won't serve you to print adifferent message.
So it's not like discriminationagainst you, it's not.
You can't force me to print amessage that I don't agree with.
There's plenty of otherbakeries out there that'll bake
(44:13):
your gay wedding cake, like youcan't force a christian baker to
to will bake your gay weddingcake, like you can't force a
Christian baker to put thatmessage on.
So you can't change the rules.
That's the other thing, right?
I'm very worried that thisadministration is going to enact
laws and things that leftistsactually want and make it look
(44:33):
good, and then when they getback in power, they're going.
It's the same thing with thePatriot Act.
Those are real things to worryabout, so we have to be very
careful about how we go about it.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
The administration's not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
They're not doing anything right.
But I am for laws againstcertain speech, like there
should be obscenity laws.
I'm okay with obscenity lawslike I'm okay with obscenity
laws, I'm okay there should bethings enacted that degrade the
culture, right, not not thingsthat not hate speech.
(45:07):
You can't go with hate speech.
That has to be like something.
If something degrades theculture, there can be laws
enacted against it.
Like I'm not like a free speechabsolutist, I think free speech
should absolutely have limitsand anybody that's Catholic
should think that there's no,you know, we don't believe in
free speech as a principle.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Free speech is an error for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
So, yes, there should be laws against it.
Like there should be blasphemylaws.
Like I'm I'm okay with puttinglaws yeah, somebody said that
Anti-blasphemy laws.
Like I'm okay with putting lawsinto place.
Like, if we're not conservingChristian culture, I don't know
what conservatives are doing atall, because that's the whole
(45:52):
Like, what are we?
What is a conservative at thispoint?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I mean, we haven't had real conservatives in this
country for 200 years.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Absolutely yeah.
So do I believe in Valhalla?
I'm not a Paget.
I don't believe in Valhalla asa Catholic.
Yeah, so you got to check outthe Monday night show.
Um, second amendment Absolutelyyes, I should be able to own
nuclear weapons.
(46:22):
Uh, jake, I'm very glad to seeyou in our chat the last couple
of episodes, jake, cause I'm inyour chat all the time for your
show and it's nice to see youcome back and show some love.
Tim Gordon says these rulesrequire a state defendant.
Private enterprise is not boundto employ losers in perpetuity.
They get fired for the samereason.
We are not compelled to shopthere.
(46:43):
Yeah, tim's law student, Iwould trust him.
My brother Joey's in the chat.
Bring back the old Babylonwhere you brought on guests and
talk about the faith.
Now it's like a news podcast,like everybody else.
I think.
Like I think of Francis and Italks more faith.
Now it's like a news podcast,like everybody else.
I think a Francis Sinod talksmore about Jesus than Antos
Brutal.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Brutal.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Joey, you're on my crew tomorrow.
Joey, I don't think you'regoing to like how I handle this
comment in the morning.
My brother Joey's on my crewtomorrow.
I will be punishing him.
How are you going to say thatto your brother?
Text me that.
You jerk.
What's the matter with you?
It's a kid.
Why is it?
It's my little brother, kidbrother.
Yeah, I don't.
(47:28):
In regards to that Joe, there'sonly so many discussions on
theology you could have, so weswitch it up.
You know we'll have uh, we'llhave some guests on soon that
we'll get back into that, butthis is such a big event.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
He wasn't, uh he wasn't in the chat when we had
uh uh charles frani on to talkabout uh the saints.
So yeah, it's it's.
It is kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
You want to talk?
Joey, fredo a body.
I'm gonna take my brother joeyout a little fishing trip this
weekend.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
We'll see I didn't see him in the chat when joshua
charles was on to talk about theuh, the overthrow of christ
earthly kingdom yeah, yeah orwhen or when Dr Marshall was on
to talk about Christianpatriotism.
It's almost like the news showsare what actually gets people
to watch, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
My brother, joey, does not pay for locals as much
I know.
We gave it to him for free.
Asking us for a handout, askingus for a handout.
Coach P, you guys better chill.
Everybody's coming down on usnow.
Coach P, you guys, better chill.
Everybody's coming down on usnow.
Coach P.
Joey, hit the mark.
Don't ask Joey about my job.
Don't ask Joey about my job,all right, so we're going to
(48:50):
head over to locals now.
We're going to talk about thefaith.
You guys want the theology show.
We're going to do it over there.
There now we do have somethings to discuss over there.
We'll keep this one short,don't worry.
Um, if you know, I'm not youguys.
We're the only catholic contentshow out there that george
farmer hasn't befriended.
I'm a little upset about this,um.
(49:13):
So you know, we're being niceto Candice now, but if George
keeps this up, it's not going togo that way forever.
We're going to head over toLocals, guys.
We got some stuff to talk aboutover there.
We're going to get the pine sapa little bit.
I said it already.
I kind of blew the spot.
(49:34):
I just want to talk about it.
We're going to go do the teaover there, right, mrs Segi.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
All right, I'm cutting them all down.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
You got to get another exit.
Because IQ is largely genetic and because it is
closely tied to violent crime,mandating the sterilization of
those with IQs under 93 wouldlikely drop violent crimes to
10% of current rate, no morethan two generations from now.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Thank you, it's like the fourth, fourth crusade all
(01:16):
over again he never drops theball man like he just.
He never misses that kid, he isjust so good so he sends it to
me late last night.
He's like I don't have anythingfor tomorrow, but I made this a
couple days ago and maybe youguys can use it.
I'm like you made the mostgenius thing a couple days that
(01:40):
kid does not miss.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He's amazing.
I actually gave him a homeworkassignment.
I posted the clip of theSimpsons clip of the Protestant
heaven and Catholic heaven and Isaid I know it's a cartoon, but
if you can somehow get CharlieKirk in Catholic heaven, do you
have any idea, bro?
I think the Protestants arelosing their mind over candace
(02:04):
saying that charlie was prayingthe rosary losing.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I think it might be a little too soon to play jokes
with that yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
So yeah, it's poor taste.
All right, we'll give it a,we'll give it a little bit, but
give it, I mean.
I mean, we all know charliekirk was praying the rosary.
I mean, it's a wrap, he wascatholic, and if he wasn't
catholic before, he is now he isnow now he is now, so I don't
know.
I'm calling it a win.
Yeah, we've had some, someinteresting side conversations,
you and I, so I'm watching thefiasco caused by Candace, right.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
She's good at that, man dude.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
she had two hundred 258 000 live viewers on youtube
before like what wait?
What do we?
What do we?
Have 200 if we're lucky, it'sbeen rough.
It's been rough lately 230 liveviewers and she has 258 000 live
(03:05):
viewers.
Man, that girl, it's such aninteresting.
Um.
Well, okay, so, uh, uh.
Mrs c says it's too soon forcandace to talk about it at all.
I don't know, man, when, whensome something's close to your
heart like this because she wasfriends with charlie um, and
there's some mystery surroundingsome of the circumstances, like
(03:28):
I don't know how, I meanespecially her, she doesn't know
how to not, you know, it's,it's I.
I just don't think she, she, Idon't think she could.
There are stereotypes there.
Yeah, well, I mean, um, it's,it's funny, because my wife
doesn't watch podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Adrian, are you sure?
You sure it wasn't more like240,000-ish?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh boy, I'm making those jokes already.
My wife doesn't watch, likepodcasts and stuff.
And I come home yesterday andshe's got Candace on and she's
watching Candace and it's likeall right, she's not watching
Lila, that's a win, right I?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
mean her not watching Lila is a win.
Her watching Candace is maybenot a win.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, well, I think you and I are going to have a
different perspective on this.
And so, man, my, my because mywife's an artist and she mainly
sees, like what artists areposting on their Instagram and
(04:39):
stuff, right, and they're all.
She's basically like I don'tlike, she's devastated about
what happened to Charlie.
And then she's like I don'tlike, she's devastated about
what happened to Charlie, andthen she's like I don't
understand what's wrong withpeople.
I'm seeing people on Instagramsaying things like why are
people so focused on CharlieKirk when children are dying in
Gaza?
And like, like things like that.
(05:00):
And I'm like, I'm like, like,first of all, like plenty of
people are very focused onwhat's going on in gaza, like I
don't, you know this isn't?
It's such a weird thing to say.
It's like, well, because theguy was a very prominent figure
and the and the imagery thatcame from that event was so
traumatic for the country andthat's why people are talking
(05:22):
about like, like the leftistmind is so bizarre, the way they
justify things and try to tryto you know, whatever.
So, um, yeah, well, she somehowfigured out the passcode to get
on.
I don't know, I tried to lockher out, but, um, one, two,
three four wasn't that difficult, no, it wasn't that tricky.
(05:42):
Um, so yeah, so she, she isinteresting because so she,
she's, she's.
She doesn't watch podcasts,right, but then every once in a
while she'll just go on youtubeand whatever comes on, comes on
and because, like she subscribedto us, like they'll give her
catholic stuff and then they'llgive her candace, owens and
she'll, she'll see like candaceand milo on together and then
(06:04):
she'll see a nick fuentes clipand she'll see Candace and Milo
on together and then she'll seea Nick Fuentes clip.
And she doesn't understand whyMilo and Nick don't like each
other and Candace and Nick don'tlike each other.
She doesn't know anythingthat's going on.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We could just take this from a stereotype
perspective with those three,and it explains it pretty well.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It kind of stinks because I would, uh, I think,
well, I don't think we'll have ashot at getting milo now
because he's going to go back ontour and he's going to do his
college campus thing, but Ithink I would give, uh, I think,
I think we would get a verygood interview out of milo.
But I know, like the way thefactions are divided right now,
you do that and then you pissoff these people.
(06:45):
It's just so bizarre how peopleare so caught into their tribes
that you can't just have aninteresting conversation with
somebody without it setting offa whole other brigade of people
being furious that you talk tothat person but it would be nice
to kind of talk to all of themas people not really involved
(07:06):
with any of them.
Yeah, so OK.
So the Candace thing, ok.
So you had messaged how didthis conversation start, where
it was like, do you want tonurse the nurse and doctor?
It started with the nurse anddoctor.
It started with the nurse anddoctor thing, right.
(07:27):
But um, then I I sent you, Isent you the let's let's play
the clip I sent you of the, ofthe, of the newscaster.
So okay, we're gonna give youguys a little context here.
So I, rob and I are in a groupchat with a couple of guys and I
saw this clip and I said I Ithink this girl, well, you said
(07:48):
I'm so jaded that, yeah, I saidI'm so jaded that I think this
girl is just being anopportunist and that this isn't
like an authentic thing.
But I didn't tweet it because I,because of the nurse thing,
like I'm like, oh man, I like Idon't like women who are
(08:10):
desperate for attention at alllike it.
Just something about it justlike infuriates me.
So I don't like women full stop, yes, but especially attention
seeking women, right?
So when the nurse thinghappened, I just I don't know, I
saw that.
What so the the nurse story isthe nurse, uh, her overheard a
doctor, say something aboutcharlie kirk?
(08:32):
Like not caring about charliekirk or something?
and she went on her facebook orwhatever to be fair to her, it
was in front of other doctorsand patient in a patient and she
reported it to management first, okay, and then, when they did
nothing, then she went to, thenshe went on facebook, right, the
instagram that she also posedpictures of her bikinis so when
(08:56):
I, when I saw that, I'm like,yeah, I hate the surgeon, the
surgeon should be fired, but Ihate this woman too, I just, I
just I wanted, I wanted thesurgeon fired for what he said
and I wanted her fired forpublic indecency like that was
my mindset, I'm like, I'm likethis thing looks like an only
fans ad, like that's how itlooks and I was just disgusted.
(09:18):
But it was so close to theincident that even you had to
say something publicly.
So I'm like, all right, thatwas a bad take.
Like it's not.
You know, it's a bad take, okay.
So I had a bad take.
So the next one that came intomy head was this one and I'm
like I better not tweet this.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Let me send this to the group chat it's a good thing
you didn't, because we were alllike don't be stupid so I'm
like, let me send this to thegroup chat and test it out.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I need to make sure I don't get pushback.
Well, it's not just pushback,it's that, because I still do
think what I think about this.
But is it too time sensitivewhere I shouldn't do it yet?
And you made a really goodpoint to me.
So let's play the clip and thenwe'll give context here.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Much for tuning into Marketplace today.
So I want to talk aboutsomething for a minute, and it
is heavy, so please bear with me.
I want you to know that it'sokay if you feel sadness, it's
okay if you're grieving.
Two days ago, I lost a mentor,my first boss, the first person
who made me believe in myself.
That encouraged me to chasethis dream that you're watching
(10:29):
right now, charlie Kirk.
There's a lot going on in ourworld right now, in our country,
but I want to say one thingLean on your neighbors, speak up
for what you believe in, Idon't care what it is.
I want to share with you one ofmy favorite sayings that
Charlie would always tell us atthe office.
He would yell it from themountaintop.
(10:51):
So please listen.
When conversations stophappening, when individuals
become wordless, that's whenviolence begins.
So if you do one thing today,make it be with passion.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Okay, you guys get it right.
So local ABC affiliate anchorBenny Ray Harmony resigns after
she was suspended for payingtribute to Charlie Kirk live on
air, and then she puts out thestatement Many in the mainstream
media have been fired orpunished for mocking his
assassination.
I believe I am the first to betargeted for honoring him on air
(11:26):
.
My resignation is guided byvalues that are essential to who
I am, which I refuse to setaside in order to keep a job.
I choose my faith and love ofcountry and always will
unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You should be ashamed of yourselves, uh, abc now
adrian has a very importantquestion for you guys stop I'm
not stop.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You're gonna make me apologize.
Stop it.
You have it yet?
No, I haven't, but I do feelbad about that.
So, um so now I said to rob inthe group chat.
I said I'm so jaded.
I think this is self-servingand like she resigned, she
wasn't fired.
I don't even know if she was,she was suspended.
(12:06):
I just think she's looking fora better job and just wants to
make it all about herself.
Rob, what did you actually say?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I said so you said I'm so jaded that I think she
planned this to jump, plannedthis to jumpstart her solo
career and I said look, I get it, but ultimately, ultimately.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So what if she did?
Let's use it to tear down aliberal broadcast channel.
Don't let perfect be the enemyof good.
And and so, like I'm trying towork this whole situation out of
what's happening around us.
Right, so like, that is whatgave me the like, the idea for
the show tonight, because Robmade me think with that
statement right, don't letperfect be the.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And so because, even if this woman was doing that for
self-aggrandizement or to makeyou know, to jumpstart a solo
career, or for attention oranything like, I might be right,
I don't know, I was justguessing.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I think you probably are, but I don't care.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But don't miss the opportunity to take down this
disgusting people, who evensuspended her for this Right.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Right.
I mean we have to prioritizethe problems we have, right, and
like like, yeah, we can dealwith um, as you would put it
uppity broad at a later date.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Let's deal with the people that literally cheer when
we get murdered so the thing islike I agree with that, but but
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to simp forCharlie here.
I'm not becoming a simp inhonor of Charlie.
I love.
Charlie but I'm not All right,so I'm still allowed to fight.
(13:48):
As long as it gross womenbehavior and fight leftists at
the same time.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Right, I don't have to give up on anybody.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Let things distract from like the opportunity that
we have right now andunfortunately I think it's
already happening and weprobably already lost the
momentum and it's probably allscrewed and we might as well
just take the black belt nowbecause we're all Well, I do see
the administration totallydropping the ball right, like
there is this there was thisfeeling of momentum, not just I
(14:21):
don't it's such a weird way tosay it, but there was a feeling
of, of genuine hurt and anger,and people have kind of had it
right and you're seeing the thesame old tropes that leftists
would throw at us about, likefree speech and stuff like that,
and I think people have gottento a point where they're just
like we don't care about freespeech right now.
You don't have the right to bea vile, disgusting human being.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, hold on.
First off, I'm not sure whatthis is in regard to.
We haven't talked about anymeans, that would be immoral,
yet we're not suggestinganything like that.
Um, I think we can stillaccomplish a lot, even if, like
the administration and likegovernmental structures aren't
(15:07):
behind us.
Honestly, just having theattitude of sorry, we don't give
an f anymore, like you can'tcontrol us with these threats
and we're going to use it rightback against you in the public
sphere, I think that could beenough to at least set back the
move, that movement, for a whileyeah, I do too.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I think it's.
It's interesting because foryears we were in the other side
of the other side of the um,like the pendulum, where it was.
They had this ability to get uscanceled and to get us, you
know, get us banned from things.
Where there is a bit ofmomentum on our side right now,
where, if they do say some vilestuff, we can push back and
(15:48):
maybe get some people to facesome consequences, which I do
think is a good thing.
Um, and and then the broaderquestion of candace came up,
because you're, like, peoplegoing down the typical
conspiracy lane are missing theforest for the trees, like we
(16:10):
should be focusing in on thisleftist stuff and we shouldn't
be missing an opportunity hereto actually get some stuff done.
Yeah, to then go down theconspiracy rabbit hole, right
well.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So for me, like the most telling thing of of what we
saw last week and this weekendand stuff I mean obviously the
the murder of charlie itselflike, yes, whoever was involved
with that, whoever they may be,whether it's just this one kid,
a network of like-minded peoplelike him, or the israeli
(16:43):
government, whoever is involvedwith that yes, we do need to
bring them to justice.
But the larger issue at hand,at least in my opinion, was how
half the country reacted.
Right, and that shouldn't havesurprised anyone, I think, even
if you intellectually recognizethat that was the case.
It is different than seeing itright and hearing it and stuff
(17:05):
like that.
But I think that's the largerissue, that's the more pressing
issue, um, and we do need todeal with that.
I think that's the real problemis that half the country wants
the other half the country dead.
Yeah, they're on.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And they really do.
They do All right.
So the Candace thing theproblem is we'll see clips and
people will post clips like ashort three-minute segment of
something she said and they'llframe it the way they want a
short three minute segment ofsomething she said and they'll
frame it the way they want.
And you think that what candaceis saying is the jews are
(17:43):
behind this and that's notactually what she's saying.
She's pointing out like howshameless bb netanyahu was to go
on tv the day of or the nextday and instead of just saying
something nice about CharlieKirk, he's like Charlie Kirk was
a big supporter of Israel andjust tried to start framing the
(18:05):
whole thing around Israel.
They did that.
There were some things that wewere starting to see in Charlie
Kirk where he was starting tojust have.
He refused to take TuckerCarlson off of his tour and he
was refused to take TuckerCarlson off of off of his tour
and he was starting to have theconversation around around this
question and saying like if youguys don't allow any
(18:27):
conversation at all to happen orcriticism of the Israeli
government whatsoever, you'regoing to start building actual
anti-Semitism.
They were furious that he wastaking this position.
So Candace kind of just wentthrough this whole thing
outlining how that positionchanged.
At no time did she say they werebehind what happened the other
day.
But that does lead to likereally weird events that did
(18:53):
occur around that day.
One of them is that, like BillAckman offers, offers a million
dollar reward to the person whohelps find the killer and that
turns out to be the killer's dad, who's a mormon, and he gets a
million dollar reward now forturning in his gay son no, he's
giving it to the kirk familyokay, yeah, well, that well,
(19:15):
yeah, but okay, so that's good.
There's still like a lot ofweird stuff and when we like
when I was, even when I wastalking about this the other day
it's not like at any point Ithought Israel hired an agent to
go and do this.
It's more like what we saw with, like the Gretchen Whitmer
(19:35):
kidnapping you remember theGretchen Whitmer kidnapping
where it was like yeah, it wasentrapment by the federal
government.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, it was like entrapment.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Right Now we've been talking about these different
cells, even from the kid out inMinneapolis right Like he was
part of these weird groups andstuff.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And it is the same groups.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The same groups, right?
There's not an ounce of me thatdoubts that we have
intelligence assets inside ofthese groups.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
The question is are are they there spying on them or
pushing them on?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
or pushing them on right and I think it's both
right.
I do.
I I think some of it is spyingand they're probably preventing
some things, but then Iguarantee in other cases they're
provoking stuff to get theirpolitical ends Right.
So that doesn't mean thatsomebody is directly hired by
this person or somebody is anagent of this person.
It means that there's people inthese groups who are acting
(20:32):
like they're part of the group,who are actually antagonizing
things or oh wait, you know, wescoped this place out and you
probably have a good shot fromthis area, right?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And these groups are ideological children of the
groups that the KGB supported.
It's been well known that theRussian FSB has kept in contact
with some of them, so you knowyou probably have Russian agents
in there, and I'm not sayingthey're behind this or anything.
(21:04):
Right.
But then you have, you know,american counterintelligence and
probably Britishcounterintelligence, and like
all intelligence agencies allacross the world, from every
country, have their own agendasand they're often more in line
with each other each others thanthey are with their respective
nations.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
So you get into with this.
So like people will will talkabout like mk ultra and they
think that the government's likeputting lsd and people's things
to mind, control them.
Like we're at a point now whereyou don't need to do any of
that kind of stuff especiallywhen you're dealing with groups
like these people on the left,where they're already mentally
unstable Right, it doesn't takemuch to provoke these people in
(21:47):
like you see them cheering forsomething like this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Plus the average drug your average soccer mom takes
in a day, way more powerful thanthe LSD they used in MK Ultra.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
So, like these people are all on ssris, they're all
eating cannabis now they're allall these things.
They're very easy.
It doesn't take lsd, it takesgood propaganda, and they have
perfected the art of propaganda.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So like not even, not even necessarily propaganda.
I mean uh, I mean yeah, someobviously, but like pornography
yeah I mean, for instance, the,the weird guy that was yelling
uh yeah, oh man, they foundchild, yeah, child porn on his
phone on his phone, and it'swell known that these groups are
(22:32):
they.
They peddle in child porn too.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
They peddle in child porn too.
Dude, we've been talking for acouple of years now about how
artificial intelligence is goingto do this and that the
government's going to be able toknow every single text message
that goes out.
And they've infiltrated everysingle Like.
There's not.
Even you can't even go on thesignal app without them tracking
you, right.
So I find it very hard tobelieve that these groups exist
(22:59):
and that we don't have Intelagencies inside of them knowing
exactly what's going on.
I find it very hard to believethat when they release those
text messages from from thosetwo today, as if that wasn't
just a way to cover for theboyfriend, like it's just silly,
but even the fact that some ofthe stuff's redacted and then
(23:20):
other stuff's put in, there's notimestamps on anything.
So to the larger question of doI think Candace is helping the
conversation?
Yes, because it's.
I don't.
I think it's good.
For I know you may not agreewith this, but I think that
we're all thinking differentlynow than we would have when we
just had, like, the three majornews outlets giving us
information, you know.
(23:40):
But there's there's also anaspect of so my.
So my wife was watching candaceand she's going through all
this, my wife's like I don'tunderstand if, like, if, if
israel is really this powerful,like, why haven't they gotten
candace?
And I said, okay.
So here's the thing candacegoes off so much on some of
these things that it's easy forpeople to just go.
(24:02):
Candace is a crazy conspiracytheorist therefore, everyone who
believes similar things is thesame it's just a crazy
conspiracy theorist where whatcharlie was doing was way more
dangerous because charlie wasjust being rational and starting
to like, question thingsslightly like and if he does
start to come around on thatquestion slowly and not down
some crazy oh my goodness, theUSS Liberty thing and it's more
(24:25):
just like hey, like you know,maybe we should ask this
question.
Charlie has millions of peoplewatching him and it's way more
dangerous for somebody like that, who everybody trusts and it
doesn't seem as a crazyconspiracy theorist.
That's a way more dangerousperson than Candace Owens is to
them.
Because Candace people you seeit all over Twitter People are
just like Candace is crazy,she's a liar, she's there, she's
(24:47):
that calf.
Half the comments are people inrage that Candace had the
audacity to say Charlie, you'retoo smart to be Protestant.
It's amazing how people likereact to one little thing and
miss, miss the forest for thetrees and in clips when they're.
When you're seeing everythingin sound bites and clips
nowadays like it's.
It's really an interesting timeto be alive and to see these,
(25:09):
because I kind of went into thisthinking that candace wasn't
helping the conversation andthen I listened to candace's
show and I was like, wow, likethis is.
This is kind of like importantwhat she's, what she's going
through right now.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
but will it actually allow for any action to be taken
?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I don't know okay.
So part of what I think we haveto also be cautious of is, you
know how, like we're gettingdrummed up about left and right
and we we're like we have to dosomething about the left, we
have to like so much of this isjust building tension between
the left and right in our owncountry and causing but we can't
, we can't, we can't live nextto them.
(25:49):
I know I'm not disagreeing withyou.
You know I don't know what todo, but I do.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I agree.
We shouldn't be driven blindlyinto what someone else wants
Right and a left versus rightdialectic at all times.
We shouldn't be driven toanother Iraq war with propaganda
, for instance.
So we do have to be prudent andreasonable and things like that
.
But what really worries me andwe talked on this on an episode
(26:18):
a year or two ago about fifthgeneration warfare is that the
the whole idea behind fifthgeneration warfare and that's
basically information warfare isis to make it to where you
can't believe anything.
You don't believe anything oryou don't know what to believe.
The second you believesomething, you suddenly find
something that makes you notbelieve in, and now you, you
(26:40):
know you're always going down adifferent rabbit hole the fog of
war right.
Like you don't know, dude, I'mvery much in that place and
because of that, you're afraidto act, because you don't
believe in what you even thinkyou believe.
You don't know what to believe,so you sit there and not.
You don't act, you don't doanything.
You don't unite with the don'tdo anything.
You don't unite with the peopleyou should unite against.
You don't fight against thepeople you should fight against.
(27:01):
So they disarm societycompletely by just making it to
where you don't know what tobelieve.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You don't know who to trust, right, you don't know
who to trust.
You don't know if the personlike even look at Trump
throughout this whole thing.
Man, I'm so infuriated with himright now.
He is such a narcissistic, Idon't know man, charlie Kirk got
him elected and watching himjust say one or two quick
(27:34):
statements about him and thenjust kind of move on.
At least JD Vance understandsthe gravity of the situationd
vance, I mean, some you have.
You know you can have whateveropinions you want of jd vance,
but at least he understands thegravity of the situation, how,
how attached to charlie theamerican people were and even if
they weren't attached to him,how big of an event this was on
(27:55):
the american psyche.
So so jd vance got up and saidsome very powerful thing.
I mean, he went up and said theNicene Creed.
Essentially, I never thoughtI'd hear the vice president of
the United States get up and saythe Nicene Creed on air.
It was.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I think, I think we're seeing a Trump, a Trump
that was either way moreaffected by the assassination
attempt than we thought or isreally just suffering from old
age at this point, and I think,from what everyone says that
(28:34):
knew him and Charlie and theirrelationship, that he is
probably just grieving, you know, in, maybe the only way he
knows, how.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's like .
Well, I don't know, man, Ithink the whole situation has
been very reminiscent of likenine 11, almost where you don't
know when it's appropriate tostop talking about it.
Right, like I still remember,after nine 11, you couldn't take
(29:09):
your eyes off the TV and you,like I remember wondering, three
months on from and I don'tthink this is that impactful,
obviously, but three months onafter 9-11, there wasn't a
single day where every singleNew York newspaper didn't have a
picture of ground zero on thefront cover.
And.
I remember thinking like isanything else ever going to be
front page news?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You even saw that this year, 24 years later, there
were some people who were upsetthat the anniversary of 9-11
were overshadowed by theassassination of Charlie.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It's an interesting one because 9-11 really is such
an impactful event.
Anybody over 35?
How old are you?
I'm 36.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I would say anybody over 34 35.
It was a very, very, veryimpactful if, if you watched it
in school basically, andremember watching in school,
yeah, and it impacted you forsure yeah, um.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
So even this though, right.
So who benefits?
Right, like there also is adegree of which you can't just
see, the see something thathappened and find the evidence
you want to find to make thatthe case, right so, and there's
so there's so much of that goingon through this fog of war
(30:33):
fifth generational warfare stufftoo where we all kind of have
this preconce, this fog of war,fifth generational warfare stuff
too, where we all kind of havethis preconceived idea of what
happened, before we even knowwhat happened and you don't have
all the evidence out there.
Like there's no conspiracy yet.
Rob, you were saying this to mein the green room there's no
conspiracy yet because the, thegovernment hasn't told us the
story right.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You can't have a conspiracy theory if you don't
have, if you haven't beenprovided yet with the full
narrative you're supposed tobelieve.
We don't even have that yetyeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So there's not even anything to pick apart and say
they're lying to us about, yetwe're just getting these bits
and pieces of things.
It does look like they'retrying to make it seem that one
man did this and one man wasresponsible, and I don't think
anybody's buying that I don't, Idon't.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Who do you mean?
They?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I don't think the fbi is seeing the indictment so far
is just about the one guy.
The news reports are beingpresented about these text
messages trying to absolve theboyfriend.
Even the way the news, the newsis presenting it like.
Oh, it's so strange, we havethat clip of that creepy news
reporter.
You think you can find thatcreepy news reporter presenting
(31:42):
I know what you're talking about.
Presenting it.
It's actually a tweet.
You responded to me, I tweetedit out and I said that anybody
believes these text messages arereal and I don't think I
tweeted it that long ago.
So, like I know I tweet a lot,I got it.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
listen to how this news reporter is presenting this
is this is obscene we have seenuh, an alleged murder with such
specific text messages aboutthe alleged murder weapon, where
it was hidden, how it wasplaced, what was.
But also it was very touchingin a way that I think many of us
didn't expect A very intimateportrait into this relationship
(32:23):
between the suspect's roommateand the suspect himself, with
him repeatedly calling hisroommate who was transitioning,
calling him my love, and I wantto protect you, my love.
So it was this duality ofsomeone who the attorney said
not only jeopardized the life ofCharlie Kirk and the crowd but
was doing it in front ofchildren, which is one of the
aggravating circumstances ofthis case and on the other hand,
(32:45):
he was speaking so lovinglyabout his partner.
So a very interesting and, asPierre said, riveting press
conference.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I think he's already writing a screenplay in his head
press conference.
I think he's already writing ascreenplay in his head.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Is that not unbelievably creepy that he's
even saying like, like it's theduality of man in one, one
moment if he's loving hispartner like, oh, if you're a
guy, a straight guy, a normalguy.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Your instant reaction was you, he just called another
dude.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
My love what's that news article that came out?
It's like when the reaction menhave to seeing two men like
heterosexual men.
If they see two men kiss, it'sthe same as like seeing maggots.
Um, sarah stock uh, I'm not apromoter of e-girls but I did
like this tweet of hers.
(33:37):
She said those messages betweenrobinson and the trans
boyfriend seemed so fake.
If someone close to me textedme that they assassinated a
public figure, I wouldn't belike why did you do it?
I would assume it's some sickjoke and then I would spam call
them until they picked up rightso uh, daffy says, there's a
clip in your DMs, oh, boy, let'ssee it, daffy, if it's the
(34:00):
Simpsons one, we're not he didit, he did it, he did it with
the Simpsons.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Send it to me.
I'll watch it without puttingon.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I don't know if I can send it, I'll just present it,
hang on.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't know if everyone should, why?
What are you worried about?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
seems a little oh, you think we'll do it on locals.
It seems a little insensitive.
Okay, we'll do it on locals,you guys, you guys are, you guys
are brain, brain damaged overon locals anyway.
So you guys won't judge us allright, if you guys want to see,
it's on locals we don't need law, everybody wants it to play.
Now you gotta.
You gotta watch on locals.
We got a couple things aboutlocals, too.
I want to see it's on locals.
We don't need law, everybodywants it to play it.
Now you got it.
You got to watch on locals.
We got a couple things aboutlocals, too.
(34:40):
I want to, I want to address, Iwant to address somebody on
locals that I can't.
I'm not even going to hint atit over here because I don't
want to start and it's notmichael lofton, but no, it's
nobody.
It's nobody like famous oranything.
It's somebody who's not famous Imean maybe maybe a little
famous, well, as of recent hewas on that jubilee thing.
All right, never mind, we'llget.
(35:01):
Uh, um wait, what was like?
Oh the?
So the sarah stock tweet islike if somebody texted you some
, your loved one, especiallyright.
Like if I texted my wife, readthe note under the computer I
just killed someone.
Like my wife would befrantically calling me, or it'd
be like what, what?
No, what do you?
(35:21):
What?
What kind of ridiculous thingare you saying?
Right now?
There's no chance.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I don't see it under the keyboard.
Are you sure you left it underthe keyboard?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
yeah, that's what it would be like.
There's no chance that youwould react that way if somebody
admitted to the craziest eventhappening in the media at that
moment and like the weirddetails he's describing about.
Oh, they have some other guythey're questioning talking
about the old man.
(35:48):
It's like was this guy likewatching live, as he was on the
run and on the lam and so it wasjust very bizarre.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean, look at you guys guessing like I said,
we, we obviously when you know,we don't.
I don't think the fbi is thefull story yet, but we sure as
the heck don't have it.
Will we ever have it?
I don't know.
But if I had to guess, like,yeah, there's a larger
conspiracy here, in the sense,like other people knew, you know
(36:17):
the so-called boyfriend, thedifferent Discord groups, and
like, yeah, there are people inthose Discord groups that have
connections to the StateDepartment, to the UN, and like
not like high up or anything.
But yeah, I think we're goingto find out that there was a
wider conspiracy.
There has to be At least peoplewho talked about it in a
(36:37):
theoretical sense.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Because there was also all these other messages
that we were seeing all over theplace, people saying look out
for something happening onSeptember 10th and all stuff
like that.
We know there was right.
Bobby says the note under thekeyboard told him to follow the
script to make him look innocent.
That's a probable yeah, thetext.
The note under the keyboardtold him to follow the script to
make him look innocent.
That's a problem.
Yeah, um, the um, yeah, the.
(37:00):
The text messages read out andMatt Walsh pointed this out.
I don't want to.
I don't want to steal it fromhim.
He pointed out perfectly.
It reads like Walter whitetrying to get Skylar off at the
end of breaking bad by making itlike she knew nothing about any
of the stuff he was doing.
So this is the unpaid forlocals, just to get the tea.
(37:22):
Uh, yeah, I, just, I was.
I.
I tried to give some elderbrother advice and I don't know
if he took it.
Uh, I don't know, I'll, I'll,I'll.
I won't say it on here, thoughI don't I'm trying to cause
drama, it's just.
You know, you guys are fine.
(37:47):
People actually get very upsetwhen we put chats up on screen
and don't read them becausethey're driving and listening to
the show or they're doing theaudio only thing.
So somebody just making fun ofme saying a body is trying to
use this fiducia supplicantsglasses to read the texts.
Never used locals before.
(38:09):
You guys don't know what you'remissing over there.
And I think actually we'regoing to start shortening the
YouTube show to like 45 minutesand giving an hour and 15 over
to locals.
We're also going to be bringingon guests for the advice show.
So I'm going to have JoshuaCharles come on one episode.
(38:32):
We're going to have BrianHoldsworth come on for an
episode.
We're going to have MichaelHitchborn come on for an episode
.
We're going to get BrianHoldsworth come on for an
episode.
We're going to have MichaelHitchborn come on for an episode
.
We're going to we're going toget different people to come on.
Hopefully, some of the peoplethat we have come on will be
more theologically sound thanRob and I, so that if you need
advice, you know, if you needlike family advice, rob and I
can help.
But if you have something on atheology question or a question
(38:52):
about the fathers, we'll have aHoldsworth or a Joshua Charles
there to give you guys a littlemore depth.
It'll be like Trad Answers Liveinstead of Catholic Answers
Live.
We're not stealing it, guys.
I promise they steal enoughfrom us.
You guys all steal enough fromus.
So yeah, that's what we'rethinking of doing with locals.
(39:13):
We're going to try differentthings.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
We have the only Catholic gun show for a good
four weeks.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
And yeah, and there might be some other news we
could reveal on the other side.
I don't know if we should yet.
I don't know if we should yet.
Yeah, no, not yet.
Soon soon we'll have someinside info for you guys over
there, but, anthony, do you readthe books behind you?
Do you info for you guys?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
over there.
But, um, anthony, hold on, letme see if that's back up do you
read the?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
books behind you.
Actually, uh, the harry potterones.
Yes, they don't have harrypotter.
Um, there are.
There are many that I have readbehind me, but there are also a
lot of books that stevecunningham sends me like daily,
and no, I can't read them all.
Uh, but I am waiting for, uh, atime when I, uh I, I just have
some time to read and I'm goingto read also the um, the young
(40:03):
Protestant boy, dominic, who umis being, who came to mass with
me once and then I was sick thispast weekend so I couldn't
bring him again.
Uh, I'm going to bring a bookor two, I'm going to see what
good book to bring him and lethim have.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
What do you think I should get?
Catholic Controversy by Francisde Sale.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
That's a rough one for a newbie.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, but because he wrote them as little pamphlets,
right that he would drop aroundGeneva.
And then he converted 80,calvinists back to the faith,
and they later collected it intoa big book.
The kid seems smart yeah, hedoes.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Um, I I'll tell you that.
Uh, I would love to get modleyback on to get his opinion on
current events also.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Um so, Mississippi said I should bring.
Where was it?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I know we're kind of going off on tangents right now.
We will get back to to uh, likePam Bondi oh, you want to talk
about how the right is going tobutcher, butcher this whole
opportunity before them?
Like Pam Bondi today, just lookat, just look at how dumb these
people are like.
These are the people we votedin because we thought we were
(41:24):
going to have some well, no onevoted for pam bondi no, but we
voted for the man who put her inposition and, unfortunately,
this is.
This is what the best, this isthe best the right has to offer.
When something like thishappens, they act like leftists,
like the absurdity of this.
God.
(41:47):
What are you waiting for?
Making me look stupid?
Speaker 4 (41:51):
there's free speech and then there's hate speech,
and there is no place especiallynow, especially after what
happened to Charlie, in oursociety, do you?
Speaker 5 (42:01):
see more law enforcement going after these
groups who are using hate speechand putting cuffs on people, so
we show them that some actionis better than no action.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
We will absolutely target you.
Go after you if you aretargeting anyone with hate
speech, anything, and that'sacross the aisle.
How?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
does Barbie get into the attorney general's?
Office.
There is no place.
I don't know.
Like.
This woman is very dim-witted,like all the conservative women
that think she is just a moron.
She's talking about hate speech, seriously.
There's no's talking about hatespeech.
Seriously, there's no suchthing as hate speech.
It is a leftist term they madeup to accuse us of any time
(42:43):
we're being mean.
We're breaking the law.
She also said today that if yougo to like I don't remember
what store she brought up, butlike if you want to have a
printout of Charlie Kirk's facebrought up and they won't print
it for you Office Depot and theywon't print out Charlie Kirk
(43:04):
for you we're going to comeafter you and it's like didn't
we just go through this with thecake thing?
10 years ago, but yeah where thebakery owner didn't want to put
a message that they, you knowthey didn't want to put a
message that they, you know theydidn't want to put a gay
wedding.
They didn't want to make a gaywedding cake.
Like, we'll make you a weddingcake, we're not making a gay
wedding cake, though you knowwe'll serve gay people.
We're not saying we won't servegay people, but we're not going
(43:26):
to put a message onto somethingthat we don't agree with.
So I mean, we've through theSupreme Court, didn't it?
Yeah, it went through theSupreme Court and the bakery won
.
We're now going to re-litigateleftist causes from our
perspective.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I think they're going to say that's true because of
the Office Depot thing.
It really is the same situation.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
It's the same thing.
We don't want to print amessage.
They should have that right.
Go to a different place.
It doesn't mean they can't.
They won't serve you to print adifferent message.
So it's not like discriminationagainst you, it's not.
You can't force me to print amessage that I don't agree with.
There's plenty of otherbakeries out there that'll bake
(44:13):
your gay wedding cake, like youcan't force a christian baker to
to will bake your gay weddingcake, like you can't force a
Christian baker to put thatmessage on.
So you can't change the rules.
That's the other thing, right?
I'm very worried that thisadministration is going to enact
laws and things that leftistsactually want and make it look
(44:33):
good, and then when they getback in power, they're going.
It's the same thing with thePatriot Act.
Those are real things to worryabout, so we have to be very
careful about how we go about it.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
The administration's not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
They're not doing anything right.
But I am for laws againstcertain speech, like there
should be obscenity laws.
I'm okay with obscenity lawslike I'm okay with obscenity
laws, I'm okay there should bethings enacted that degrade the
culture, right, not not thingsthat not hate speech.
(45:07):
You can't go with hate speech.
That has to be like something.
If something degrades theculture, there can be laws
enacted against it.
Like I'm not like a free speechabsolutist, I think free speech
should absolutely have limitsand anybody that's Catholic
should think that there's no,you know, we don't believe in
free speech as a principle.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Free speech is an error for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
So, yes, there should be laws against it.
Like there should be blasphemylaws.
Like I'm I'm okay with puttinglaws yeah, somebody said that
Anti-blasphemy laws.
Like I'm okay with putting lawsinto place.
Like, if we're not conservingChristian culture, I don't know
what conservatives are doing atall, because that's the whole
(45:52):
Like, what are we?
What is a conservative at thispoint?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I mean, we haven't had real conservatives in this
country for 200 years.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Absolutely yeah.
So do I believe in Valhalla?
I'm not a Paget.
I don't believe in Valhalla asa Catholic.
Yeah, so you got to check outthe Monday night show.
Um, second amendment Absolutelyyes, I should be able to own
nuclear weapons.
(46:22):
Uh, jake, I'm very glad to seeyou in our chat the last couple
of episodes, jake, cause I'm inyour chat all the time for your
show and it's nice to see youcome back and show some love.
Tim Gordon says these rulesrequire a state defendant.
Private enterprise is not boundto employ losers in perpetuity.
They get fired for the samereason.
We are not compelled to shopthere.
(46:43):
Yeah, tim's law student, Iwould trust him.
My brother Joey's in the chat.
Bring back the old Babylonwhere you brought on guests and
talk about the faith.
Now it's like a news podcast,like everybody else.
I think.
Like I think of Francis and Italks more faith.
Now it's like a news podcast,like everybody else.
I think a Francis Sinod talksmore about Jesus than Antos
Brutal.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Brutal.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Joey, you're on my crew tomorrow.
Joey, I don't think you'regoing to like how I handle this
comment in the morning.
My brother Joey's on my crewtomorrow.
I will be punishing him.
How are you going to say thatto your brother?
Text me that.
You jerk.
What's the matter with you?
It's a kid.
Why is it?
It's my little brother, kidbrother.
Yeah, I don't.
(47:28):
In regards to that Joe, there'sonly so many discussions on
theology you could have, so weswitch it up.
You know we'll have uh, we'llhave some guests on soon that
we'll get back into that, butthis is such a big event.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
He wasn't, uh he wasn't in the chat when we had
uh uh charles frani on to talkabout uh the saints.
So yeah, it's it's.
It is kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
You want to talk?
Joey, fredo a body.
I'm gonna take my brother joeyout a little fishing trip this
weekend.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
We'll see I didn't see him in the chat when joshua
charles was on to talk about theuh, the overthrow of christ
earthly kingdom yeah, yeah orwhen or when Dr Marshall was on
to talk about Christianpatriotism.
It's almost like the news showsare what actually gets people
to watch, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
My brother, joey, does not pay for locals as much
I know.
We gave it to him for free.
Asking us for a handout, askingus for a handout.
Coach P, you guys better chill.
Everybody's coming down on usnow.
Coach P, you guys, better chill.
Everybody's coming down on usnow.
Coach P.
Joey, hit the mark.
Don't ask Joey about my job.
Don't ask Joey about my job,all right, so we're going to
(48:50):
head over to locals now.
We're going to talk about thefaith.
You guys want the theology show.
We're going to do it over there.
There now we do have somethings to discuss over there.
We'll keep this one short,don't worry.
Um, if you know, I'm not youguys.
We're the only catholic contentshow out there that george
farmer hasn't befriended.
I'm a little upset about this,um.
(49:13):
So you know, we're being niceto Candice now, but if George
keeps this up, it's not going togo that way forever.
We're going to head over toLocals, guys.
We got some stuff to talk aboutover there.
We're going to get the pine sapa little bit.
I said it already.
I kind of blew the spot.
(49:34):
I just want to talk about it.
We're going to go do the teaover there, right, mrs Segi.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
All right, I'm cutting them all down.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
You got to get another exit.
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