Is Michael Matt Alienating Young Trads?

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SPEAKER_03 (00:10):
Milo Rose is a feminist nag who has no business
telling men what to do when itcomes to pornography.
Milo Rose has finally been toldto shut the F up.
Because men will not be nagged.

SPEAKER_05 (00:30):
The return of Tappy.
This is going well already.
Oh, this is gonna be a fun one.
All right, well, right, rightoff the bat, I do want to say um
we're not like taking it.
Right off the bat, he'sapologizing.
Yeah, like we're not listeningit was a slow news day.

(00:54):
We were I was looking for stuffall day to talk about, and I'm
like, yeah, I think we have togo with this.
Look, this is this is theconversation that's happening
online right now.
It's um it's one of them.
I mean, there are several, butthe the the conversation about
um the proper place for men andwomen, the proper understanding

(01:15):
of what it means to be atraditional Catholic, there's a
lot of things going on.
So we figured we'd uh add ourcommentary to the mix.
Um, and uh but wait, and Auntwonders why people don't want to
no no no.
I'll tell you right now, Molly.
I play nice with all thesepeople, they don't want to talk
to me, and now the gloves areoff.
I don't know not really what'shappening.

(01:35):
Um, yeah, but they've been gigkeeping us out of the
conversation, they want to actlike we don't exist, so what's
to tell you?
Yeah, um, no, right off the bat,I will actually say that um
Michael Matt is obviously alegend in the Catholic
commentary world.
He's um he's probably part ofthe reason we're able to do

(01:57):
this.
Like he's owed a ton of respect.
Um, I mean, his family goingback generations, generations.
I mean, he is you know, he isowed a ton of respect.
So, this is this stream is notmeant to denigrate him in any
way, it's not meant to takeshots at him.
It's just the conversation thatwent on on Twitter, and he
addressed it on his show.
And I kind of want to addresssome of the points he brought up

(02:17):
and see if because I see it'syou just see the two generations
talking past each other.
You see the older guys, old likeGen X and and the boomers are
not understanding theconversation and where Gen Z and
younger millennials are comingfrom.
And Rob and I find ourselveskind of in the middle of that,
and I tend to see both sides,and you know, I I just think

(02:39):
that there's a way to have thisconversation without it being
insulting to anybody, withoutbut it you know, when I watched
Michael Matt and I watch almostevery episode of the Remnants,
but when I watched this week'sepisode without being insulting,
did you see the intro we justplayed?
Oh, he knows you guys can'tlaugh at your when you have no
business doing this.
I mean, honestly, if you can'tif you can't see a goofy video

(03:00):
where somebody's teasing you alittle bit, then you shouldn't
be in the public spotlight.
I don't know, but um, yeah, I II watch pretty much every
remnant video, I always havelike for years.
Um, but this one just seemed alittle out of touch, and I and I
thought Michael Matt was strawmanning the younger guy's
position, um, and he was makingit like this is a rad trad, uh a

(03:22):
young rad trad thing, and Idon't think that's what it is at
all.
I think it's uh a youngergeneration that is just making
what making what a young radtrad.
Uh the the it the top the thethe you know what we'll just
have to play the video and getinto it so you actually
understand the context.
But it seems like theconversation around Lila Rose
talking about pornography, twomen, um, and there's a lot of

(03:50):
it's a lot of chaos around thisissue.
Like the younger guys are like,why don't you just shut up and
not say anything about this?
And the older guys are like,Well, she's saying something
good.
This is good.
If you know Michael Matt says inthe video, he says, If Kamala
Harris came out and saidsomething against abortion, I
would applaud her.
But there's context to that.
So I think we should just getinto playing the video.

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infuriated the Protestants.
It's a great conversationstarter.
So all right, let's get intoMichael Matt.
Um, Michael Matt addressing thecontroversy around Lila Rose
discussing pornography with menin the public sphere.
And he was not happy about thereaction he got to one of his
tweets.
So we'll we'll we'll play alittle bit of it, we'll pause

(06:42):
it.
It's a very long clip.
I don't know how much of itwe'll get to, and then we got we
got a lot of fun stuff forlocals tonight.

SPEAKER_06 (06:53):
They should and shouldn't do, and as I've said
before, any woman that tells menwhat to do is a feminist.

SPEAKER_03 (06:58):
Now, this story exploded.
I just weighed in on X this weekand I couldn't believe it
because I mean Lila Roseobviously is right.
She says about pornography.
Uh and Lila Rose is notraditionalist, so I don't have
a dog in this fight.
That's what I'm talking about.
This polarization is tribalismhas got to stop.
Okay, people say, I don't likeLila Rose.
And I say, you know what?
If Cammy Harris, Camilla Harris,had said something against

(07:22):
pornography or against abortion,I would praise her for it.
And I would quote her and Iwould say she's right.
Okay.
So the tribalism, first of all,has got has got to stop.
But what Lila Rose is aCatholic, what she said is
objectively true, friends.
And here's where the story, thestory to me, is the fallout,
what happened after this littleinterview that we just showed

(07:42):
you.
I weighed in and defended her onX, thinking, well, everybody's
going to, right?
No, not so.
In fact, I was kind of um, yeah,you can check it out on my
Twitter feed.
I was, I was lambasted by abunch of guys, I guess Nick
Fuentes types or fans, right?
Who are absolutely thrilled thatLila Rose has finally been told

(08:04):
to shut the F up.
Yes, I'm quoting.
That's what they're saying.
You can see it in the thread,even on my my X feed.
All right.
Many of these guys claim to betraditional Catholics, and I'm
astonished.
Totally astonished.
And they like to call me aboomer for this, and that's
fine.
I'm not a boomer, but I'm anolder guy, and yeah, this is
horrifying.
This is horrible.
The reaction to what happened toLila Rose on the part of people

(08:27):
claiming all right.

SPEAKER_05 (08:28):
So, um, now if Kamala Harris had said something
positive on abortion or againstpornography, yes, we would all
like praise that.
That's that's a fair point.
But I think Michael is missingthe context of the Lila
situation because um the andthis isn't a a traditionalist
point of view, it's it's youngerguys who are just kind of sick

(08:53):
of feminism in all its forms,and the and there are two sides
to this, also, so I will givethe other side, but um the
there's something deeper aboutthis conversation that goes to
modesty, like it's it's moreit's it's less than Lila, like
because what Lila is saying mayobjectively be true, but the

(09:15):
issue here is that we don'tthink it's appropriate for women
to be discussing porn in anycontext with men, like married
publicly, publicly, right?
It's different if it's in herhome with her sons or her
husband.
That's you know, that's atotally different thing, but for
her to be addressing thispublicly in a public forum, it's

(09:36):
just highly immodest andinappropriate.
And it gets it, there's a deeperthing that's happening in our
culture right now where youngmen are just kind of tired of
women putting themselves in in aposition where they're
constantly haranguing men, likeit's it's it's especially a bad
look after the nearportification of Father Mike

(09:58):
Schmidt's on Lila Rose's ownshow.
Yeah, and and look, I'm I'm I'malso going to say, like, there's
something about the way we'reall like having this
conversation that probably doesneed to be toned down a little
bit, like we're just losing ourcrap, and we're all just so sick

(10:18):
of the girl boss that it'scoming out in bad ways.
And I and I say that because Icut I cut a black woman off in
Queens today.
Like I was driving my you almostlost your life.
Lila has a bad track record,like Sam and Father, Father
Schmidt's uh hippie hippie nextguy.
George Floyd.
George Floyd.
Um, so I I cut a black woman offwhen I was driving in Queens

(10:41):
today, and she was irate, andshe comes around and catches up
to me at the light, and she'slike ready to flip out on me.
And I roll the window down, andI was just like, Miss, you're a
hundred percent right.
I apologize.
I was not paying attention, andI last minute I saw my GPS and I
turned.
I disarmed this woman so muchjust by the way I was apologetic

(11:02):
and didn't fight back andbecause I could have just been
like, Shut up, you when I youknow, but I was very nice to her
and totally disarmed her.
And she was like, I'm sorry,honey.
You know, she's okay.
I know I won't do my black womanimpression.
She was for anyone who was inNorth Carolina with us, they all
know black women have a thingfor you.

(11:23):
Yeah, I do have a way with blackwomen, but um, so yeah, there
may be a way in which we'rehandling this conversation, it's
a little out of control, but Ithink it's because the younger
guys are just so fed up with it.
But Lila does have a trackrecord, she has a history.
Look, they're looking at a womanwho didn't take her husband's
last name, she's out theretalking about how first wave
feminism was good, and if itwasn't for first wave feminism,

(11:45):
women couldn't be on thesepodcasts talking about abortion
in the first place, and it'slike a lot of this has to go
does go to the older generationkind of allowing this stuff to
happen, right?
And it's the they never had thefortitude to tell women, hey,

(12:06):
you don't belong in thisposition.
This is this is why women runevery parish.
It comes to like so.
I used to I actually tweeted atMichael, I said, Michael, how
can you be against altar girls,but then before the girl boss
podcasts are telling men to dothis?
Like it's the same thing, yeah,it's literally the same thing.
Like that, um the the that tweetabout the uh the the Jewish

(12:30):
woman who's the one of the bigreasons why women don't veil in
church these days.
That was I actually threw thattweet because I didn't know the
history of that.
Um, we we can get into that.
We'll we'll finish the MichaelMass stuff and then we'll get
into that because that'sactually a really interesting
topic.
I did not know all of that.
Just the history of women nolonger veiling in in church was

(12:53):
this movement started by aJewish woman.
Yeah, it's it's not that thechurch decided it was no longer
needed, it was a feministrevolution, and it was the incan
law until 1983.
So and all of it is aboutoverthrowing the patriarchy.
And you look at someone like notjust Lila, but the other girl

(13:13):
who runs the students for lifething, like we're looking at
Kristen Hawkins.
Yeah, we're looking at these twowomen who are making half a
million dollars a year each,their husbands stay home and
take care of the kids andhomeschool them while they're
off earning the living, andwe're just like very proud of
that, actually, though.
And we're just like besideourselves, and it has to do with

(13:35):
the older generation neverspeaking up and not having the
fortitude to tell women theydon't belong in these positions.
So, you know, I I agree withMichael Matt in that what Lila
Rose is saying is not not it'snot untrue, like she's saying
true things.
There's but it's it's it'sdecorum, it's is it your place?

(13:56):
Is it do you have do you like isit it?
Um, I think it was um MikePantile said e women even saying
the word pornography in publiccould be a near occasion of sin
for men, like it just ittitillates their mind, and you
know, especially a guystruggling with this stuff.
So it's just scandalous ingeneral for women to be
discussing this topic online.

(14:17):
And like you said, that lastconversation that we did
criticize Lila for it was herand her the girl that was on her
show, and they're calling FatherMike Schmitz father um father
what a waste, basically.
I mean, they didn't say thatliterally, but they were
basically like talking about howhot father Mike Schmitz is, and
it's like the like they evenlike the the the objectification

(14:37):
of like a handsome priest, evenand the our culture is just so
rotten at this point that it'sgotten it's gotten vulgar
online, especially on X.
X is probably the most toxicplace to hold these
conversations, is why I thoughtit might be better to have this
conversation on here.
But all right, let's play alittle more of Michael Matt.
We'll see if there's some morestuff we can pick apart.

SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
I mean to be traditionally, I'm gonna call
them neo trads, by the way, neorads, whatever.
Bragging now about how they telltheir women to shut their mouths
because men will not be nagged.
Again, I'm quoting nagged.
I can be nagged about anything,even porn use, they say.
Now, when you do that, friends,obviously you are running the

(15:23):
risk.
If you're gonna go after LilaRose here because she's nagging
you about your porn or aboutporn, you run the risk of people
naturally assuming, well, youdon't have that much of a
problem with porn, then, becauseyour issue is obviously much
more with nagging women, right?
Yeah, mine is you can see thethe pornification of society is
reaching.

SPEAKER_05 (15:41):
What it's like I don't I don't have any issues
with porn, but I'm reallybothered by nagging women.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm just being honest.
I really dislike nagging women,they're annoying.
Um, hold on, no, no, hold on.
You you are missing an exceptionthat you actually love.

SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
That's not how catholicism works.
Who are you?
Who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_05 (16:10):
That you're just and she's been mentioning us on her
show.
Well, because that one guy'sbeen coming after us too.
Um, but um, yeah, I yeah, allright.
We'll play a little more.
I I I think I missed somethingin there that I was going to say
something about, but I kind offorgot what he said.
But yeah, back it up like 10seconds.

SPEAKER_03 (16:33):
Uh people naturally assuming, well, you don't have
that much of a problem with pornthen because your issue is
obviously right there.
Obviously, you are running therisk.
If you're gonna go after LilaRose here because she's nagging
you about your porn or aboutporn, you run the risk of people
naturally assuming, well, youdon't have that much of a

(16:54):
problem with porn then becauseyour issue is obviously much
more with nagging women, right?
You can see the pornification ofsociety is reaching far corners,
it's reaching everywhere now,you know.
So I see this unfold and I'mlike, what's going on?
And again, Lila Rose is nofriend of mine, she's no
traditional Catholic.

(17:15):
But I think she was 15 years oldwhen she started devoting her
entire life to saving babies.
I think she deserves a littlerespect, don't you?
No.
These little Neo Trad guys, theysided with the creature who was
beating up on Lila.
Lila Rose can take it, didn'tthey need me to defend it?

SPEAKER_05 (17:34):
Yeah, that's but it was just real quick.
Like, okay, so so look, eveneven me, like I'm not I'm not
siding with Pearl.
Like, no, Pearl, we despise thatwoman.
Pearl is the worst, she'sobnoxious, she's annoying, but
she she's the only woman whocalls other women to account.
And the the the whole thing isyou you're constantly um yeah,

(17:58):
she devoted her entire life todriving Alexis.
The um not like she's suffering,guys.
The this this whole this wholeconversation is more about like
first off, no man is gonna stopwatching it because Lila said
too.
Like she she she it's just it'snot in it's not like she's
inspiring men to give it up.

(18:18):
It's just it's not helpful atall.
It's really just not.
And what she really wants tofight against porn, she should
really be lecturing women, womenabout about about their porn
use, on their their reading ofsmut, like come on then, and
getting and getting into theindustry itself, and getting
into the industry, yeah.
Getting into the industryitself, so it's it's more like

(18:40):
we just want the proper rolesfor men and women again, and
they're so out of whack rightnow that so I I put up something
before just asking who'sresponsible for the fall, Adam
or Eve.
And the reason I'm I was doingthat is because you'll see it's
it's because this is a tradissue because it comes down to

(19:01):
when the church at after thecouncil, the church dropped its
guard on feminism, and uh JohnPaul II started talking about
the feminine genius, theystarted allowing altar girls to
come in, and all this stuffstarted happening, and it like
the mutual submission thingcomes into the equation, and

(19:22):
mutual submission is from thepit of hell.
And the people who push mutualsubmission will also be the
people who say Adam is thereason that Eve ate the apple,
because Adam should haveprotected Eve from the serpent
even coming in.
So they they recognize that Adamdid have the authority to guard
the garden and protect his wife,like that is actually Adam's
role, he should have neverallowed his wife to even speak

(19:44):
to the serpent, but they'llblame Adam for that and then
still blame him for the fall.
Like it's it, and then stillsay, like, Eve, he didn't have
the authority to tell Eve whatto do.
It's a really strange thing thathappens.
It's it like men have to takeall the blame in all the
situations, and women are neverheld to account for anything.
So it's like you either have tosay, Yeah, well, Eve ate the

(20:06):
apple first, or whatever the youknow, the pomegranate first, so
it's her fault, or you have toadmit that no, Adam actually did
have the authority to put an endto that, like he should have
never allowed this to happen inthe first place.
And the the men who talk aboutmutual submission are so
disordered because what they'reactually what they're actually

(20:26):
saying is they are shirkingtheir responsibility as a man,
and they don't want the blame,they want their wife to take
some of the blame when things gowrong, and it's not okay.
Like if you have a husband whotalks like that, that that means
he's afraid to embrace theauthority that God has given him
as a man.
And men should tremble at theauthority God has given us

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because it is a very bigresponsibility.
And if you're out there allowingyour wife to take part in
managing, like having authorityin your home, you're actually
saying, Well, I don't want theblame when things go wrong.
It's it's a shirking of yourresponsibility.
So all of this comes down tothis.
And I think the younger guys arejust like, all right, things are

(21:09):
so out of whack, we're lookingonline and we're seeing the way
these women are.
That you're looking at uh thethe girl, I forgot her name, but
whatever.
She she goes to an Orthodoxchurch and she's Morgan Ariel.
Yeah, Morgan Ariel.
She's dressed appropriately, shegoes to an Orthodox church, but
she has to take the selfie withher in it.
And guys are seeing this, andthey're just like, You are such

(21:31):
a narcissist.
Like, you could have just takena picture of the icon, but you
have to put yourself in it.
It's that meme, right?
The meme of guy sharing a photoof what they want to show
people, and it's just the item,and then women sharing a photo
of what they're gonna showpeople and their faces right in
it.
Yeah, it's but it's it's it'sreally something that I think
women need to talk to otherwomen about.

(21:51):
Like, if you go somewherebeautiful, take a picture of the
beautiful thing.
You don't need to be in thepicture with the beautiful thing
because it does just come off asnarcissism.
And I think you know, there'salways going to be the simps who
are like, Oh, you're sobeautiful.
And I think for a lot of guyswho are beyond that stuff, we
just look at it, we're justlike, ew, like you're just
craving this false, you'recraving this fake affirmation

(22:16):
from likes and stuff like that.
And it's like just if you're ifyou're on a journey and you're
heading to an Orthodox or aCatholic church and you're
thinking about deepening yourfaith, don't tell the world
about it.
Like, do your journey and do itand figure it out.
And when you get to that point,maybe then you could talk about
it.
But like, oh, I visited anOrthodox church, look at me,
everybody.
I'm on a journey.

(22:37):
It's like it's just I I thinkeverybody's just so done with
the narcissism.
I I'll say I I cannot warn menenough against you younger guys
who are dating.
Like, if you date a woman who'sa social media influencer,
you're insane.
And I say that as a guy that'sdoing this stuff, like like if

(23:01):
you if you have a a a white,because all you see is this
constant thing where women areembarrassing their spouse
online, saying things theyshouldn't say about their
husband, revealing intimatedetails of their marriage, and
it's just I think I think thethe party's over, is all I'm
saying.
And I just think Michael Matt ismissing the the wider context of

(23:23):
what these younger guys aregrowing up in.
They're growing up in a worldwhere these are the only women
they're having contact withbecause people don't go out and
meet people in person anymore.
The only interactions they'rehaving are these interactions
that are online, and thisbehavior just gets so grating to
these guys, and they they wantto see modesty, like modesty is

(23:44):
so attractive now because it'sso rare.
So I think the the point on lifemodesty is is is about more than
just what you're wearing, yeah.
Yeah, it's that we constantlyhear these women talking about
how men need to be moreChrist-like, and none of them
act more Mary-like.
It's it's it's like this thisthing where men get to blame for

(24:07):
everything, and it's totallyfine for them.
Like, I I don't know, I thinkwe're just at a cultural moment
where we all have to look at thethings we've allowed to happen
under our watch, and especiallyus older guys, and we have to
go, okay, yeah, maybe we shouldhave told these, told our wives
no, or told our whatever womenin our lives no, they can't do

(24:28):
this because this thing hasgotten so out of control at this
point.
Honestly, like the the theberating that Lila gets online,
like that alone makes me look ather husband, like, what kind of
man are you?
Like, you allow your wife.
Are you allowed to you allowyour wife to take this kind of
abuse online?
Like that in itself isemasculating for her husband.

(24:52):
I don't care.
Like, I there is no scenariowhere I would let my wife be
abused by strange men on theinternet like that and not
intervene and take her phoneaway.
It's just like, what are youdoing as a man?
This is the exact scenario ofAdam not protecting his wife
from the serpent.
Lila is on the internet and theserpents are coming at her, and

(25:13):
she keeps doing it and feedinginto it, and her husband doesn't
put his stupid foot down andsay, knock it off because he
loves the money too much.
It's just you know, so we'llkeep playing.
We'll play, uh, we will get thesuper chats.
Just I I want to get through allthis and then and then we'll get
to everything.
But yeah, look, like Nicole'ssaying, like you uh for for the

(25:36):
women who think that we're justbeing like macho, it's like
don't envy the burden men carryas husbands and fathers.
It's not an it's not an easyone, it really isn't.
And and like you you talk aboutworking out your salvation in
fear and trembling, you areresponsible for every every soul

(25:57):
in your home as a man.
You are the priest of your home.
That is not a light uh uhcalling, that is not a light
vocation, that has hugeconsequences.
It's it's and you just see thesewomen that are that have these
positions as social mediainfluencers, especially the
Catholic ones, and you justthink to yourself, like, what

(26:19):
like how do you sit back?
Like, like she's the one that'sonline, she doesn't take his
last name, he's not even allowedto have a social media profile.
Could you imagine what theywould do to that man?
It's the same thing withreligious hippies' husband,
like, he can't even be onlinebecause they'll massacre him.
That poor guy.
I feel bad for the husbands atthe same time.
I'm just like, dude, what areyou doing?
Yeah, what are you doing?

(26:41):
Can't pity them too much,they're failing in their own
responsibilities.
All right, let's keep going withthis.

SPEAKER_03 (26:53):
Horrific to see this.
She was beaten up and mockingLila Rose.
She ends up muting Lila Rose andthen laughing at Lila Rose, like
some 14 First off, that was ourmove first.

SPEAKER_05 (27:06):
Yeah, we we invented the mute.
Yeah, come on now.
Stole a bit from us.
That's our bit.

SPEAKER_06 (27:16):
It's um again you hear me right now.
Are you listening?

SPEAKER_07 (27:21):
Can you hear me?
Okay, um if you if you continueto mute me, I don't even know
when you're muting me or not.
I'm not gonna be able to have aconversation with you.
I don't think you're acting ingood faith right now.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna have toend the stream with you if
you're gonna continue to muteme.

SPEAKER_05 (27:36):
Come on, Michael, it's funny.
Come on.

SPEAKER_03 (27:44):
So I thought, what am I missing here?
You know?
So I went over to this laughingtrolls website and I found
atrocious, you know, somethingthat just made all of us blush,
you know, even back in the 80s.
A lot of dirty talk, you know,this woman behaving just crass
behavior, uh, troll advice formen to divorce their fat wives

(28:07):
and find sweet young things,sweet young honeys to go after
and dicko.
You know what I'm saying.
But according to the Neo Trads,Lila Rose is the one who needs
to shut up and stop nagging usdudes.
So, does this woman also need toshut up and stop nagging us
dudes?

SPEAKER_05 (28:26):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (28:27):
But for just a brief moment, I would like to speak
directly to the men.

SPEAKER_05 (28:30):
What?
I don't know, he's talking aboutthis one.
I think about Pearl, yes, Pearlneeds to shut up.
But alright, who's this?
I have no idea.
You want to play it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's play it.
Let's a question should we tellthis woman to shut up?
Let's let's hear what she says.

SPEAKER_02 (28:54):
You are made for greatness.
You are made to stand up and bemen.
You are made to defend women andchildren, not stand by and turn
your head when you know murderis occurring and do nothing
about it.

(29:15):
You are not made to use womenand leave us alone.

SPEAKER_05 (29:19):
Pause it.
Yeah, like everything she'ssaying is true.
This message should just becoming from a man.
I say it just rings so emptyfrom a woman, I just don't care.
It should just be coming from aman.
I'm sorry, coming from a guy.
I mean, it would have you allpumped up.
You'd be right like this messageshould be coming from.
We're we're like, there'sthere's because you have to take

(29:43):
into account the absolute lackof accountability that women
hold each other to.
I'm not saying all women, butlike the women in these
positions, because I do knowsome very good women who clearly
do look out for other women.
Like, I'm not I'm not, I don't,I'm not saying all I'm talking
about these women specificallywho are in the public.
like this they're constantlytalking about how it's men's

(30:03):
fault and they never hold oneanother to account they just
don't they don't they don't it'slike and anytime they try to
because I did see um I did seeone or two uh women try to
actually address it and saysomething I think it was um I
forgot her name uh Jay somethingbut yeah yeah women ray wit

(30:26):
raise boys but men raise menthat's yeah but that's the whole
point but but also a woman doeshave that authority over her
boys though yeah like this is avery different thing like a
woman a mother in her homeabsolutely yes like you should
say this to your boys at home100% but it will mean more

(30:47):
coming from their father but itwill but but that is your that
is that is absolutely withinyour authority to talk to your
children your boys about this ilike that's a very different
thing than what we're talkingabout here um the it it's it's
whenever women try to hold otherwomen to account you will get
other women in the commentsblaming men it's it's bizarre

(31:10):
they'll like if a woman tries tosay women don't um don't get
involved in OnlyFans this is adisgusting industry whatever
you'll get a hundred womenunderneath going yes but if men
didn't consume this contentwomen wouldn't be tempted to go
towards it it's only because menbuy it that we are doing it it's
like there's just no place wherewomen hold women to account and

(31:33):
where and now men are notholding men to account men are
only attacking women like we'rejust this whole culture is so
upside down right now everythingis just upside down right now
look at look at look at all thetrouble two women podcasters
cause guys and the and the uhyeah it's just and they're

(31:59):
fighting and arguing with randommen they don't know on the
internet instead of instead ofbeing home like go go home be
home with your family let yourhusband handle these battles
these are not these are justit's just i i'm sorry they're
just and and the thing is thetrads are the worst about this
like they really are the worstabout this i'm telling you i go

(32:21):
to trad parishes and i the themen in these trad parishes
they're more henpecked than anymen I see they're afraid of
their wives this because thisultimately doesn't really come
down to Lila this ultimatelycomes down to husbands allowing
their wives to do this stuffright it's like it and and
Michael Matt I'm calling you outI didn't make this show about

(32:43):
Lila I made this show about youbecause you are excusing this
stuff like men have to stopexcusing this stuff and that's
the ultimate point of this wholething.
So yeah these young guys aregoing nuts about this but why
are we as men not trying to fixthe problem at the root of the
problem which is women aretrying to be men and they can't

(33:04):
be men need to be men.
Women need to be women we shouldbe encouraging women to be more
feminine and men to be moremasculine and instead we're
allowing women to run thepro-life movement we're allowing
women to run our parishes we'reallowing women to run everything
and we're all just like andeverything falling apart you
said something true and thewhole world is collapsing around
us.
The church is falling apart thedread life the the pro-life

(33:26):
movement is in shambles Rob thethe church itself at the heart
of the issue is men priests whoare supposed to be priests of
souls are afraid to say no towomen it is why you have every
Susan from the parish councilit's why you have altar girls up
in the sanctuary it's why whenyou call when you try calling a

(33:46):
parish to go set an appointmentfor confession the girl in the
in the office the secretary inthe office will tell you oh no
no no you have to come at theright time it's like this is the
problem the root of the problemis men not being men and
allowing women because they'reafraid to say no because men
just like Adam wanted to pleasehis wife this innate desire to
please women oh my gosh I can'tsay no to them.

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It's just leading to thecollapse of our culture it's and
and and and the and the Catholiclonghouse are filled with men
afraid to say this stuff aboutthe women in the movement.
Like it's really what it comesdown to it it this is what the

(34:30):
Catholic Longhouse is theCatholic Longhouse is a bunch of
men who are just operating atthe whim of the women who allow
them to and they don't sayanything because they want to go
on Lila Rose's podcast and it'slike I'm it's like there's
something so freeing about whatwe do and that all of them gate
kept us out and now we can speakabout what we want good we don't

(34:50):
we don't ever have to worryabout it.
I'm never gonna get asked tospeak at a remnant conference I
would have but now I'm not goingto be and I and I love I love
Michael Matt that's not likethat's not even the issue it's
just we need to be willing to benot liked you need to be willing
to not be the nice guy sometimesto just speak hard truths at

(35:12):
times is this stuff is gettingout of control.
You got to move beyond wantinghuman respect is what it comes
down to.
And and and look so much of likethe the conversation around us
being uncharitable becauseeverybody accuses of being
uncharitable like I don't thinkwe're being uncharitable right
now so much of it is like as aCatholic you're not allowed to

(35:33):
say something about anotherCatholic and it's like that's
how the freaking priest crisishappened yeah it really I mean I
mean this is way less of adegree but so much of it is
people not wanting the Catholicsto look bad because oh it looks
like there's infighting going onit's like we are in a war in a
civil war in the church rightnow we're in a civil war in the
church right now for themovement because we're all just

(35:54):
we have no fathers that actuallywant to be fathers we're we're
dealing with a bunch of men inthe hierarchy and our priests
are all afraid to say the truththat women need to stop and let
men run things Jesus chose 12men as apostles for a reason
Jesus like men men follow menthey don't follow women we don't

(36:17):
want a Marjorie Taylor Green inoffice we don't want a a Lauren
in office like this this stuffhas to stop and and it's like
it's just led to the ruin ofsociety we're done with it so
yes we're gonna call Lila Roseout when she's nagging men about
watching like go talk to thewomen about this stuff because

(36:38):
they're all reading Fifty Shadesof Gray and that's more toxic
than the crap men are looking atonline see if he's got a little
more in there at least men areashamed of it when they do it.
Yes where women will womenbragging women are per women
will brag about it.
Women are bragging that they'rewatching Fifty Shades of Grey
and fantasizing about anotherman when they're with their

(36:59):
husband it's it's insane whereyou're right like men at least
understand deep down like thisis horrific God forbid anybody
ever found out I'm doing thisit's it's they 100% of the men
doing it don't need to be toldit's bad they know they know
they just in their heart theyjust need some inspiration to
get out of it they need somekind they need another man to
help talk to them about hey thisis how I got out of it things

(37:21):
like that but having some broadcome on and tell us you
shouldn't be just shut up yestell Lila Rose to shut the F up
like why like you can go talk towomen about something because
there is there is a uh aconversation around like what 50
shades is team compared towhat's trending on women's book
talk I mean remember that uhthat book mark found on Amazon

(37:44):
the saber tooth dentist ghostrapist guy or whatever because
because these women arefantasizing about some of the
most heinous stuff it's reallyheinous stuff like it's all it's
all abuse stuff like it's crazywhat these women are looking at
you think it's bad on the men'sside it is bad on the men's side
don't get me wrong I mean it'sit's such a toxic thing and for

(38:08):
for any guys that are watchinglike the freedom that comes when
that's out of your life andyou're not even thinking because
it it's it's like any addictionwhere you get it out for a long
enough period of time you don'teven think about it and you're
just free of it.
And it's an amazing feeling tonot have that that weight that
thing held on you just thecorpse of a dead soul dragging

(38:33):
you down.
It's really is so like I mean itit does need to be talked about
just needs to be talked about bymen to men and women to women
and that's just the proper rolefor this conversation to happen
feminism was the first sin ittrue no not even it feminism was
the first sin but really it wasit was Adam not being a man like

(38:57):
Adam being afraid to say thingslike this.
And I refuse to do that I'drather go to I'd rather be cast
out from the Catholic contentarena where people won't talk to
I don't care I'm not going tonot talk about this because this
is like the root of everything.
It really is and and there's theonly way to fix it is to

(39:19):
confront the issue and talkabout it and get and and police
our own and tell the Catholicwomen that are doing this stuff
like you are meant to lead theculture in what femininity looks
like so going out and being thegirl boss is not the way to fix
it.
You're just creating Catholicfeminists what good is that like

(39:39):
I really do think Lila Rose ismore dangerous for girls to
listen to than Pearl yeahbecause Lila's with Pearl people
will real women will realize thethe issues there.
But Lila's more subtle that's itthat's it and the and it's every
conservative woman that you seethat's public presents herself

(40:03):
as a conservative Christian andthey're all feminists every
single one of them and I'll saythis there's no chance in
there's no chance Michael Mattwould let his wife publicly
speak to men about this issue.
Never would he allow no I knowhe wouldn't so it's like it's
like well I would never let mywife do it but I'll you know
when this other guy's wife doesit it's totally fine.

(40:24):
No no it's not like I wouldnever ever I would be horrified
if my wife was talking to menabout this issue.
Like what are you what this ishorribly immodest what are you
doing would never happen seewhat else he says do you want me

(40:46):
to play more yeah yeah we'll gothrough it because after this
we're gonna after this I wanna Iwant to play um I want to play
the Greek Orthodox priesttalking about um if the Catholic
church had maintained momentumfrom night and from 1890 to 1960
we would be a Roman Catholicnation and it's uh and we'll go

(41:07):
to that next and this ties intothis because all of this is
about the church letting womentake the lead it's it's it's
mutual submission it's this ideathat men and women both have
authority and the the the manshould you know they should co
um co-govern together and that'sliterally the problem with the

(41:28):
hierarchy and the laity rightnow with synodality right it's
the hierarchy who's supposed tobe in charge telling people what
to do going we need to listen tothe laity let's have synodality
no this is mutual submission andit's distorted and it is ripping
the church apart right now yeahand if you don't see that you're
really missing what the crisisis about because this really is

(41:49):
the root of everything it's it'sthe priests at the parish afraid
to tell the women hey shut upwe're not playing that crappy
song we're gonna play Gregorianchant we're gonna have kneelers
we're gonna have all it's it'sit's our bishops our priests
it's every single man afraid totell women no when they're
supposed to I'm not saying justgo around telling women no no no

(42:10):
but there's a time where itneeds to be done and when it's
supposed to be done and mendon't do it you are you are
going to face the wrath of Godfor every time you were supposed
to be a man and you shirp yourresponsibility you are made to

(42:31):
be kind and great and graciousand strong and stand for
something because men listen tome I am too tired to do your job
then don't what about SaintCatherine of Siena was she
nagging Pope Gregory when sheadmonished him saying quote

(42:52):
since God has given youauthority and you have assumed
it you should use your virtueand power and if you are not
willing to use it it would bebetter for you to resign was she
nagging Michael do you know theirony of the quote you just
posted do you not hear the ironyof the quote you just posted she

(43:13):
privately speaking to the Popefirst off like it is a private
correspondence but if you she'sthe Pope was afraid to use his
authority and if you won't useit it would be better for you to
resign Michael if you areunafraid to discuss this issue
realistically it would be betterthat you resign because this is

(43:34):
the heart of the issue this is Imean we're we're dealing with
Pope Leo appointing women todicasteries now we're doing I
mean this is this is this is theproblem I don't know I don't
know how much more I can becauseeven even the even the most
patriarchal homes that we thatwe have in our culture now yeah

(43:56):
that's the other thing Lila Rosais not Saint Catherine like
that's like seriously in thesearguments there's only like
three women they can ever bringup say St.
Catherine of Sienna Saint Joanof Arc notice how they never
bring up the blessed virginbecause they can't it's it look
this but even the mostpatriarchal homes that we know

(44:16):
like we're all infected withfeminism my family is infected
with all of us are infected withfeminism so much so that we like
we don't even notice it whenit's happening it's endemic in
society you can't it's justeverywhere and it's it's just
everywhere and I'm telling youlike it's a really difficult
it's a really difficult issuefor those of us raising girls

(44:38):
and and trying to govern ourhomes when the men who are
supposed to be the leaders ofthis thing won't speak out and
speak truthfully about thisissue.
Catherine said use yourauthority Lila is saying give me
the authority 100% this this isum it's just men afraid to tell
women no it's what it comes downto I mean it's it's everything

(45:01):
that's going on right now.
So um do you should we keepgoing with it?
I I mean I let's keep going withit we'll give it a few more
minutes okay give it a few moreminutes what are there Walter
there are four women doctors ofthe church there's one judge is
uh Israelite judge um Judith Ibelieve um literally sounds I

(45:27):
mean are they all just a bunchof nags another nagging feminist
does this woman also need toshut up and stop nagging us big
tough guys we are all pivotaltime industry the bottom is at
such a pitch and the stress areso high we're not looking dead
to reformers we are literallyfighting for civilization God

(45:48):
has been dethroned man has beenenthroned and society is
descending into chaos we must wemust enthrone God in our hearts
and in our homes friends I'msorry I forgot yeah that's not
yeah like you do you wouldn'tlet uh we wouldn't let her come
and give a conference aconference on pornography to be
a friend conference right that'snot what Lila was doing do you

(46:09):
imagine do you can you honestlyimagine how off putting it would
be for that sister to come andspeak to the conference about
porn like it would be when I wasin CCD right and it was mostly
taught by two old Benedictinenuns when the subjects of you
know like the sixth and ninthcommandments came up the priests

(46:30):
came in to talk to the yeah themen about those they didn't let
the nuns teach the guys aboutporn and masturbation it's just
it's it's yeah like think aboutwhat the what the subject matter
is Michael this matters yeah andit's he's using the exact same
arguments as uh the people whowant women priests so it's

(46:51):
really but the thing is look andI and I I want to be fair to him
because I I I understand theurge the the male urge to defend
women right like the like whiteknighting isn't a thing because
it's like we're just starting tobreak open the simping thing
right like it's it's it likethis is a phenomenon where men

(47:12):
are starting to realize wait aminute man I have covered for
women way too much and defendedtheir honor because like there's
this distorted understanding ofchivalry where you think it is
your role to defend women'shonor no matter what it's like
yes like you you do you do wantto defend women's and that's why
I'll say also we do like we doneed to be cautious in how we
criticize these women too likeit might be like a sick own or

(47:36):
something like that when you'rean anonymous account on Twitter
but in reality like there'sthere's a there's a way in which
you don't want to lose your soulin in talking about this stuff
so I mean we're all guilty of itbut you know it it's yeah you
you have to keep in mind peoplelike Lila and and your Susan at

(47:57):
the parish council they theyreally do think they're helping
the church they really do andthere has not been a man to
correct them and if a mancorrected them and said hey look
this is actually a little outinappropriate and out of bounds
don't cover that topic with menlike it's just as simple as that
like a man needs to instead ofwhite knighting for her and

(48:19):
coming in as her chivalrousdefender somebody who loves her
should privately pull her asideand say Lila this is actually
not right for you to be talkingabout publicly you know I know
the Twitter trolls are going atyou and I know you know but
first off even that like the thethe trolls going at someone that
stuff gets to a person like thatthat's not good for a person.

(48:43):
So you know reason I blocked allthe studies it's just not good
to have that kind of ridiculecoming at you 247 even if it's
online and you could put yourphone down because we're all
addicted to our phones and we'reall tempted to look at the
comments and when you just seewhat it's doing is she's
trolling with theseconversations she's getting a

(49:05):
reaction she's making money offof it she's getting getting more
attention for it and it's andit's distorting her view of men
because now she thinks allCatholic men like there's a
serious misogyny problem in theCatholic male sphere when she's
the one stirring thiscontroversy like if you see
you're getting that kind ofreaction how about a little
self-reflection go okay this isyou know this is not being

(49:28):
received well maybe I shouldback off of this a little bit
there's just no time wherethere's ever a woman being
corrected and she takes any kindof accountability and goes oh
this was probably a bad luckmaybe I should maybe I should
that video down of the the thesnake oil salesman that I did
but no they'll never anyself-reflection no no we found a

(49:48):
priest who said it was okay ohdid you we found a priest who
said it was okay the name ofcourse won't tell us the name of
that priest because that priesthe'll catch hell for it but um
yeah X is definitely a hellholeso it's just it's been a lot
more fun now that we know whereaccounts are though yes dude how

(50:12):
great is that anytime somebodylike anytime somebody criticized
me I just look right away it'slike okay from you're from India
of course you are I have a memeready to go if they are from
India too it's like all thistime we thought uh uh set of
contism was an Americanphenomenon it turns out it's all
Indian trolls I'm only gettingthe set is I'm just teasing you

(50:37):
um why don't we jump over to uhthe cat uh the Orthodox priest
talking about uh Catholicism anddo we want to do uh super chats
oh you want to do super chatsyeah let's go do super chat just
on this subject and then we canyeah um all of them because
somebody left a 50 super chat soI want to make sure we get I
know that's on this subject umso first off what are we talking

(50:57):
about with emj what do you guysthink I I have a lot of things I
want to talk to them about so II I've read degenerate moderns
I've read logos rising so I'mdefinitely talking all the way
through logos rising I probablymade it three quarters of the
way through that's a long bookyeah I made it like a little
over halfway it's a long bookbut I'll tell you that was my

(51:19):
first that the opening chaptersof Logos Rising were the first
fracturing of evolution for me.
Yeah it was like the firstcracking of the facade on
evolution for me.
So I want to talk somethingabout that definitely want to
talk something about Mejigory umI mean we're we're obviously
going to cover the JQ but I wantto save that for later in the
show I want to cover thosetopics with him I want to get

(51:42):
into I'm gonna talk liturgy withhim I'm gonna you know we're I'm
gonna discuss some of the someof the I'm gonna talk no
shortate I want to I want to Iwant to get into some stuff with
him I think it'll be a differentinterview than he's that he's
ever done because we we don'tinterview like most people do.
Yes we are doing locals tonightPaul um at my hospital have a
lot of young resident doctors80% female I think if women are

(52:06):
so empowered and can work ittakes away from the incentive
for the women to quit their joband stay home working class men
have dignity that women shouldsubmit to I mean that's just
obvious right like the the wholeincentive structure is upside
down in our culture where I meanwell like the epidemic of young
men who can't get jobs becausewomen are given these jobs and

(52:27):
the it it's lead it's going tolead to preferentially given
these jobs yeah but it's goingto lead to a role like there's
nothing more dangerous thanyoung men who can't get jobs
can't buy homes who can't startfamilies like you have a
humongous population of thatcategory right now in our
country and those are the menwho go and start revolutions.
I'm just telling you it is yeahthis one wasn't a uh a super

(52:50):
chat but it was very good so umwhy didn't God bear the cross in
a woman's body intentional ornot the crucifixion is quite
symbolic of the self-sacrificeof men yeah so like you add in
but that look but that also thethe the way christ has been
portrayed in contemporary artvery feminist has has distorted

(53:13):
our view of him like this wholeidea of the chosen Jesus um it's
it presents jesus as this hippielike figure who's just gentle
and never stern and and nevernever masculine and like putting
his foot down about things andyou know there's a reason why

(53:34):
you never see christ laughing inthe gospels doesn't mean christ
never laughed in his real lifeit's like there's a reason you
don't ever see God's mirth inscripture and it it's because it
could be taken out of context oryou know put in a certain way
but when you read the gospelsyou see a very specific type of
Christ and then when he'sportrayed in modern art or

(53:57):
modern films things like thatyou get this very effeminate
version of Christ who's just allmercy and no justice and I think
that's distorted a lot of ourviews and and that male urge to
lay down your life as asacrifice and when you see a
woman getting beat beat uponline yeah there is this desire
to like all right guys chill outcome on why you guys beating up
on the girl I get it like I'm Idon't I don't I'm not even gonna

(54:20):
like I I know Michael Matt'smotives are good but it still
comes down to this issue ofallowing it to have gotten to
this point and it it's becausethe church has completely
dropped the ball and while allthese revolutions were taking
place in the 60s the the hippiegeneration when the sexual
revolution was happening thechurch should have come out and

(54:41):
warned the culture about thosethings and talked about feminism
and talked about communism andtalked about all the sexual
revolution and instead it wantedto play footsie with the devil
and that's what the council didit played footsie with the devil
and we see where that has led usi mean it's led to the craziness
we're seeing in Rome now andthat and and it's like every
trad argument comes down to thisstuff comes down to the church's

(55:05):
approach to the Jews and thechurch's approach to women that
is where the everything wentwrong.
And feminism is largelyinfluenced by the first group so
yeah 100% yeah so um it's uhit's not nice to experience but
trolls and bullies do animportant job telling people
when they're behavingincorrectly blaming them is
sometimes valid but often youshould take accountability that

(55:27):
but that's the that's the thingright you don't actually ever
see women have anyself-reflection on any of these
things I'm telling you right nowif I put something out and I get
a lot of pushback there's twoways I go about it one one is
I'll I'll think about it likeall right this was a bad take
now sometimes I won't take itdown because I don't want it to
be an act of cowardice and likeyou know it's almost like you

(55:48):
don't want to whitewash you madeyour bed lie in it kind of thing
right but it doesn't mean Idon't regret posting it it's
more just I don't want to be acoward and pretend I didn't say
what I said.
So it's an accountability thing.
But there's never a time where Iget a lot of pushback on
something where I don't reflecton it.
There's never a time where afriend calls me and tells me hey
man I didn't really like yourtake on this where I don't okay

(56:09):
I'm open to fraternal correctionhere because I don't think my
friend would call me if it ifthere wasn't you know a
justified reason.
Eric Salmons did that with merecently and I had a good back
and forth with him.
It it it happens right but Idon't see that happening on
women's side of things to befair you had a locals crash out
first after marriage but manthat was good it was a it was a

(56:37):
fun episode if you missed thatone kids okay so what are we
going all right so let's go intothe Orthodox priest real quick
and then we're going over tolocals I got a lot of stuff
where did you send that videotelegram it's in the Twitter
Twitter thing I never sent itover to Telegram yeah don't
watch Lila or Pearl don't watcheither one of them okay it's

(57:06):
funny because I've held off onweighing in on the on the
Michael Matt trading thing forso long right this this was it
it's like I've held off like Ididn't want to get involved in
the in the uh catholic esquireand Stephen Cox and Michael Matt
thing I was like no I don't nooffense to anyone involved to
defend Lila Rose didn't you likejust there's never a time I'm

(57:29):
gonna be able to be quiet aboutthat.

SPEAKER_00 (57:31):
I'm sorry yes he did rant for a whole hour after Eric
texts didn't he that was a funshow too it was fun the
religious scene in America sincethe late 60s the Roman Catholic
Church which from 1890 until1960 was on an ascendancy that

(57:53):
if it had maintained itself wewould be a Roman Catholic
nation.
You know when John F.
Kennedy was running forpresident he was very concerned
the whole nation was concernedabout this ascended Catholicism
there were six million studentsin Roman Catholic schools in
1955.
That is an incredible numbersince that time uh due to an

(58:17):
over-Americanization and a lossof salt uh in the Roman Catholic
Church the church has hasdeclined radically for decades
for every one new personbecoming Catholic six would
leave the church that's aterrible equation today the
Roman Catholic school system has1.5 million kids in it that's a
75% uh reduction uh in inAmerica while the population is

(58:39):
like almost doubled or somethinglike that okay it's not tripled
now just think if the if the ifthe council never happens
Catholic education we sure itwasn't more like 277 at most
father I don't know what you'retalking about.

SPEAKER_05 (58:55):
Six million seems a little high was there enough
desks for six million that seemsa little high all right we're
gonna get in trouble with thisgo on yeah um all right um the
uh can you imagine if theCatholic school system had
actually stayed remained intactand not diverged into this

(59:16):
ecumenical cesspool that it isthe land the lakes thing never
happens and we actually had theopportunity to indoctrinate
those six million kids properlyand give them a proper educate
proper Catholic education do youknow how many conversions
because how many non-Catholicssend their kids to Catholic
schools or even the kids even ifit was only Catholics like how

(59:37):
many Catholics we could haveprepared to evangelize America
like this whole nation wouldlook different and it all comes
down to this issue it reallydoes it all just comes down to
this stuff it's like it it it'smen being afraid to say the
truth it is every pope since thecouncil is has this deep shame

(59:59):
about Talking about the truthsof the faith, so they water
everything down, everything isjust watered down Catholicism.
And I'm sorry, but like I don'tlike Tom was saying, like he
loves Michael Matt, he's alittle kooky, but he's like, I
have been watching Michael Mattfor 15 years, 20 years.
I mean, I've been watchingMichael Matt forever.

(01:00:21):
It's it's just there's somethings that just you're missing
the conversation here, Michael.
And I you know the thing is thethe talking past each other.
Like I tried to reasonablyrespond to him, and he just
ignores me.
So it's like, okay, we'll talkabout it here.
Because I would have I wouldhave appreciated a little back
and forth, and maybe like uh uhhim going, oh, maybe I'm missing

(01:00:43):
something here.
Maybe you guys can enlighten meto something I'm missing here.
But no, it's this stubborn, it'sI'm right, always I know
everything.
It comes from every corner ofthe Catholic sphere.
Everybody gets buried in theirposition, and they only wanna
they only want to be the they'rethe only ones that are right,
they're never not willing toactually hear the other side of
the argument.
Michael Matt presented a strawman of the argument from the

(01:01:04):
young guys that are reacting tothis kind of stuff, and he
defeated a straw man argument.
It's like cool, yeah.
It's like it's I don't even knowif he really defeated a that
argument.
Well, I mean, what what he saidsounds like it's right, but it's
just not.
It's uh you know, you'representing you're present.
I'm always right though, Molly.
I'm different.
Um, the you're presenting you'redifferent.

(01:01:26):
Oh, you're very different.
You're presenting a case thatdoesn't exist to try and set it
up and knock it down, where thestraw man uh that's a straw man,
and to steel man the argument,you have to go back to
understanding how disordered ourculture is.
And I think men, especially theyounger guys, are fed up with it
and they're just like, I uh thissomething's gotta change.

(01:01:47):
Like, we're sick of it, we'retaught, we're tired of it.
We don't want to hear you womendo this anymore.
And the straw him setting up astraw man wasn't because he was
arguing in bad faith, it wasbecause he he just really
doesn't understand it.
He's out of touch with theright.
So that's why I like he's he'sout of touch with this argument
because he's not talking to theguys dealing with this, he's not

(01:02:08):
understanding where people'sanimosity on this issue comes
from.
And it's because the women whotend to make a name for
themselves in this space allpresent this feminist girl boss
Colicism, and it's dangerous,it's wicked, it's not good.
They're they're telling women towait until they're 30 to go get

(01:02:29):
their degree and go take care ofthemselves and do the and then
they wait until and it'sdevastating to these young
women, it really is, it'sdevastating to them because
they're waiting until they're30, and then they have a couple
of years to have kids, theygotta then they're you know,
they're dealing with fertilityissues, and yeah, like Lila
played a video today of allthese women who are over 30

(01:02:50):
aching because they're lonelyand they don't have somebody.
Now, I want to be clear likeanybody in that position, my
heart goes out to becauseloneliness is like soul crushing
to be alone.
Like, I it's not a day that goesby.
I don't thank God that I have mywife and kids because I have
people who I love and that loveme.
So anybody if I'm if I'm in myhouse for like six hours by
myself, yeah.

(01:03:12):
It's it's it's kind of you feelweird, right?
It's like so anybody that'sanybody that is lonely and
doesn't hasn't found somebodyyet.
I'm not I don't want to rag onyou, it's just our culture has
sold you a bill of goods that isjust trash.
It's like go to college, go, youknow, telling women to go get
degrees and become bosses and gostarting and travel the world

(01:03:33):
and all this crap.
And it's like, I'm sorry, butwrapped up in that is what Lila
did.
Lila went and, yeah, since shewas 15 years old, she's a
pro-life warrior.
And it's like, you know what?
Maybe we should just get womenout of the pro-life move,
leading the pro-life movement.
Maybe they can let men take thelead on it and they can come
assist us and be our helpmate.
They can pray on the sidewalk,be our helpmate.
Let men go back to controllingit so that we get away from this

(01:03:56):
idea that women hold noresponsibility in abortion, it's
only the doctors who areresponsible.
It's like if we don't tell womenthat what they're doing, they'll
be held to account for it.
They don't, oh, like thisconstant excusing for this.
Oh no, no, no, you're just avictim, you're just a victim of
the culture that told you thatit was just a clump of cells.
No, you're not.

(01:04:17):
I'm sorry, but there's not awoman in the world who goes and
has that procedure done whodoesn't understand they are
killing their own child.
Yeah, I am.
And to keep excusing it likethat and pretending they're
victims.
Now, there are plenty of caseswhere the man pressures the
woman into like that.
That's and that's disgusting.
And those men should be held toaccount and they should be
prosecuted, like that.

(01:04:37):
But each case needs to beweighed individually.
And if it's the man forcing awoman to do it, then he's the
one responsible.
But most of the women gettingthis procedure done are using it
as a form of birth control.
Yeah, when when someone killsanother person, we don't be you
know, we don't before arrestingthem go, do they do they really

(01:04:57):
know what they were doing?
No, we arrest them, we chargethem with the crime, and then
their culpability, their abilityto understand right and wrong,
um, you know, whether or notthey were forced to do it, all
that comes out in the legalprocess, yeah, in the legal
process, and you and you get tothe root of it.
And if a woman was forced intoit, then obviously she's got

(01:05:17):
less culpability.
It's just this this issue on menand women is one that really
needs to be talked about, itneeds to be figured out, and we
have to get to the root of it.
So, all right, we're going to goover to locals.
Um, we want I want to talk, I dowant to talk about the the women
bailing thing, if we could getto that.
Um, the let me see.

(01:05:40):
Rob and I have some uh excitingnews of stuff we did behind the
scenes.
Uh that exciting.
Oh, for me, it is.
I'm very excited.
Oh, I don't know, I know why.
It feels very official, and itdoes feel official, yeah.
It just kind of feels like areal thing now.
And are you gonna get cardsmade?
Maybe all right.
We're gonna talk over there.

(01:06:01):
Um, there was uh, so I know it.
I know you guys probably alittle sick of the conversation,
but there was a segment of thatNick Fuentes interview where it
sounded like it was an avoidingBabylon episode where he talks
about 15 minutes.
It sounds like we'll go throughthat and because it really
sounds like an avoiding Babylonepisode.
It's really interesting how thisconversation he sounds almost

(01:06:23):
like Peugeot.
It's like it has nothing to dowith duty or anything.
He talks like Peugeot, hedoesn't sound like Peugeot.
Thanks.
Correct, yeah.
But the ideas that he's gettingat are so it was you know, maybe
we'll play that clip and andwe'll just talk.
I got I got some things I wantto ask you.
Good luck at Mass and MichaelMatthews.
Thanks, Andrew.
He's just gonna ignore you andpretend he doesn't know you like

(01:06:45):
he always does.
I hope so this time.
Last time I literally mysix-year-old literally handled
him money was sitting on my lap.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:56):
But whatever.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:57):
All right, let's go over the little um hold on, hold
on.
Uh the EMJ interview is December4th.
December 4th, and then we alsohave um Daniel O'Connor coming
up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:06):
Did you schedule Daniel?

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:08):
Daniel, yeah.
Well, he's he's gonna pick adate.
He said mid-December.
So, um, because that documentarycame out, um the the disclosure
or something, like the uh I Iwho we might want to be careful
because the people who did thatdocumentary are are already
sending cease and desist toalmost any podcast that talks

(01:07:30):
about it.
That's interesting.
Well, Daniel O'Connor, he did adocumentary that's coming out
also.
Oh, it's called The Age ofDisclosure, and he did a
documentary called The Age ofDeception.
So we're gonna get him on totalk to him.
Um, my brother, uh, the boiler'sdone.
He's just trying to pick a carout.
He hasn't picked the car out.

(01:07:50):
Once he picks the car out,that's when we're gonna get him
on.
But he's got you know, he's gotall the money, he's just trying
to find a good car.
So once he does that, we'll gethim on.
We are not doing a showThursday, right?
No show Thursday forThanksgiving.
Um Advent starts Sunday.
When I get home from travelingon Sunday night, I hope to do

(01:08:13):
it, will be probably late Sundaynight.
I'll start the Advent seriesfrom Divine Intimacy, but the
rest of those two chills willprobably be in the morning.
Yeah.
So Sunday night will be thefirst one, but then it'll be in
the morning for the rest of theepisodes.
What is this about?
What is what is what does thismean?

(01:08:37):
No idea.
Um do we have any otherannouncements?
I don't think so.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Oh, you're talking about mybrother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My brother, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everything's done, everything'sgood.
Everything's working and well.
Contracted.
Did he get the lien waiversthough?
Do not make the final paymentuntil he gets the gets lien

(01:08:59):
waivers.
So when you when when you havework done on your house, um the
contractor can put a lien.
No, this didn't happen.
I think you're done.
Yeah, everything is done.
There's nothing like that on it.
It's everything's fine.
But yeah, thank you for that.
Um yeah, all right, let's go tothe other side because I I want

(01:09:19):
to talk about some stuff.
Like a personal.
I was thinking of some I wasthinking of some old school
stories we could tell.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:26):
Old school stories, interesting.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:32):
Oh no, are we still on YouTube?
Um Rob's gonna say the M word.
Rob's gonna say the N word onlocals.
Join us.
What N word on everybody you'regonna say the N word on

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