July 9, 2025 • 59 mins
Catholic media stands at a crossroads as John Henry Westen, co-founder and face of LifeSite News, has been removed from his position by a 5-4 board vote. This shocking development comes as the Catholic world adapts to the leadership of Pope Leo XIV, with LifeSite's board explicitly citing a desire to "chart a new course" following the papal transition. For traditionalist Catholics who relied on LifeSite as a faithful voice, this raises troubling questions about the future of orthodox Catholic journalism and whether critical perspectives will continue to have prominent platforms.
The conversation turns to liturgical debates when Father Dwight Longenecker's tweet about pre-Vatican II Masses reignites familiar arguments between traditionalists and supporters of the Novus Ordo. His characterization of traditional Masses as priests "mumbling through Mass as quickly as possible while the faithful prayed the rosary" represents what many see as a standardized, possibly manufactured narrative about pre-conciliar worship. Critics note how these identical criticisms often come from those too young to remember, suggesting a kind of cultural programming rather than historical accuracy. A striking contrast emerges through a video of Andrea Bocelli performing sacred music in a church filled with people in beach attire – illustrating how liturgical form shapes behavior and reverence.
Moving beyond church politics, the show addresses disturbing trends in modern parenting, particularly regarding teenage sexuality. While discussing an extreme (likely fabricated) example of a mother encouraging her 14-year-old daughter to become pregnant, the hosts confront the very real phenomenon of parents enabling teenage sexual activity through birth control and tacit approval. This abdication of moral guidance – often justified with "they're going to do it anyway" – reflects a profound failure to love children authentically by teaching them virtue and healthy boundaries. The conversation ultimately connects these symptoms to broader cultural erosion that signals the potential collapse of our current social order, drawing parallels to previous civilizational turning points. Join our growing community of listeners seeking authentic Catholic perspectives on faith, culture, and family in challenging times.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You know, can I look at women in church?
Can I gaze at their rears,whether that's in church or at
the beach?
Plus-sized women at the beach,whatever, what the hell.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The real Eric McCabe.
Whatever, what the hell.
The real eric mccabe.
We will get into that one later, folks.
Oh boy, will we get into thatone later.
I'm so excited for tonight somepeople, some people want to
pick fights and then, and thenthey're like you guys are mean,
(00:46):
I'm a victim, pick a fight,you're not gonna win.
It's not a good idea.
I have a lot to say tonight,man.
Yeah a lot I have different fromany night I've ever known no,
dude, I haven't had like thismuch on my mind in a long time.
John Henry Weston out atLifeSite oh, believe me, you
(01:08):
guys will see.
You will see, you will see myhead blow off later.
I got receipts.
I got a lot of things we'regoing to go over, but I'm going
to save that for locals becauseRob doesn't want, rob doesn't
like when we do the clickbaitdrama on here.
It's gay.
I promise you this won't be gay.
(01:31):
I'm just telling you guysyou're going to want to see this
rant because I have a lot tosay about this kid, a lot
Because I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I mean, I started off so nice with let's make sure we
don't skip what the show wasoriginally going to be about.
Oh, no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
OK, so look, here's the deal.
John Henry Weston title story.
We got to discuss that realquick.
I mean, that's insane.
We're going to talk aboutFather Longnecker's tweet and
the the magic spell, becauseCale taught us that, which is
pretty cool.
Like there are certain phrasesthat get said and they're a
magic spell at that point, right.
(02:09):
And then LifeSite ironicallyreleased an article saying
Catholic priest says thateffeminate men are responsible
for divorce.
And I wanted that to lead intothe video of the woman
encouraging her 14 year olddaughter to get pregnant, which
probably is fake, but I knowreal life people that are like
(02:32):
that and I just have someventing to do.
And then also I want to discussthe 32 year old kid living at
home, rent-free, with hisparents.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh, my gosh, we keep.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
This cannot be a three-hour this is gonna be a
long show and then no, and thenwe got a lot to get to.
And then, um, uh, san antoniobishop bands communion rail.
We got the quick 40 second clipof that.
Uh, we got a heavy, heavy show.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And then, uh, pageau, I got a pageau no rob's not
gonna like but he'll actuallylike it with three other, three
other hours worth of stuff wedon't need it's going to go well
with the father long neckerclip with that that segment.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So we got to remember that.
But also, before I forget, Ipromised don so that his wife
would um stop bugging him.
Uh, the catholic land movementhas uh an upcoming event.
Uh, saturday, july 19th.
Uh, 484 angel hill road inedmiston, new york.
(03:33):
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So I promised not, I would givethat a shout out.
All right, john Henry Weston, Iknow what.
Two plates, two plates on a baris two, two.
Two plates on a bar on eachside is two, 25, two, 25.
(03:55):
Yeah, it's two, 25.
But Jason said my Jason's halfI.
I saw Jason tweet and I justthought his son was as shot as
he was.
And I just wasn't thinking thegym, I just thought his son was
dumb.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I do know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That was my first initial thought.
He's just dumb and I'm like hiskid's dumb too.
I don't know it took me, I'mlike 45, 45.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And then, as soon as majority, it's like no one 35.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
yes, as soon as johnny says his cell phone, I'm
like oh, the gym.
Oh, all right, barbell.
Um, yeah, all right.
So, anyway, all right.
So let's get to it.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Um, very professional john henry, not an ad read.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
We don't have to get to an ad read yeah, we don't
have any sponsors, but johnhenry weston's out at life site,
um john henry weston is lifesight like I don't, I don't know
that's a good thing or badthing well it's.
It's kind of like o'keefegetting removed from project
veritas.
Like I don't know, I don't knowhow they try to move on without
(04:57):
him.
Like I don't, I don't know,he's the face of the thing he
co-found.
Like I find it so unnerving thatsomebody can found an
organization and then the boardcan vote him out like anthony
was just voted out everyone, sohe just found out how you can do
that and the same thinghappened with father john lavo,
(05:18):
right like he founded thecoalition for canceled priests,
and then the board gets togetherand they vote him out well, now
we've all found out that theydid that so that they could just
spend all the money onpointless stuff crazy that story
.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Right like they stopped supporting priests and
they they just have a millionbucks in assets and cash and
they just started looting it?
Well, no, they, they don't.
That's the thing they don't.
They just don't spend it onanything, including priest yeah,
it's a weird situation.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't want to get involved over there.
I don't know.
I don't know what the hell'shappening over there.
I know a bunch of people overthere.
That's why it's weird.
But the the thing for me islife sight is john henry to me
like and john henry.
Strangely, I met john henry atthe coalition conference.
He interviewed us and that hada very big part to do with our
show blowing up.
(06:07):
Um he, so he aired thatinterview of us.
To be fair, he's interviewed youtwice and me zero times that's
true, but it was so I might beon my side I might be on life's
side's board side on this no, no, no, no, you weren't available,
they asked you to come on Isaid no no, I have to work the
(06:28):
uh um also I I went on withcatholic unscripted and it was
like an awkward thing, like theywanted you on for that
interview too.
But it was like so last minuteand it was I don't know.
So you're they want the nexttime they interview us.
They're like we want rob onnext time.
So it's a similar thing.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's not that they only asked me um I love how,
anytime like we're doinganything with europeans, it's
always us that have to like getup at 9 am on a saturday instead
of making them stay up until 3am ona weeknight it's true, um,
so, um, but life site seems tobe cleaning house, seems that
(07:04):
way.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah right, like they didn't just get rid of john
henry.
So, um, we also.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Cox was one of the reporters that that is gone um,
I don't know who else um, sowait, I'm in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm in the wrong thing.
Um, seeing that, okay.
So edward welsh said john henryweston, co-founder of the
conservative catholic site lifesite news, is out as ceo and
editor-in-chief.
I'm hearing from multiplesources weston was removed by a
5-4 board vote as a majoritywanted to chart a new course for
(07:40):
the site after the election ofleo the 14th.
Now I don't remember john henrybeing particularly critical of
leo no great.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'll be honest, I don't follow too closely to life
site or or john henry stuff,but um, oh, when I look when I
talked to him because ramon andI talked to him, uh, right
before it was right before Iwent to greece.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was right before I went to greece, it was like
right after his election.
Like we were both kind of likeyou know, we don't know what's
gonna happen here.
Maybe jason was right maybejason was right.
Oh, maybe he is grover.
We have some theories that youare jeremiah bannister, that
you're, uh, you're a secret fanof the show.
(08:25):
Um, the I I don't remember himbeing, but it is kind of strange
how everyone in lockstep justlike jumped on the leo train
like I, I understand the allright, let's give the guy a
little space, but like it waskind of strange that everybody
like so.
I also saw uh today that umpope leo congratulated um burke.
(08:51):
Burke, right, where is that?
Uh, here it is.
Uh, pope leo has written tocongratulate cardinal burke on
his 50th ordination anniversaryand thank him for his service to
the church.
Pontifex thanks Burke for theearnest care he has demonstrated
, most especially for the law,which has also been of good
service to the casteries of theapostolic see.
(09:12):
He has preached the precepts ofthe gospel according to the
heart of Christ and hasrecounted his treasures
diligently, offering his devotedservice to the church universal
.
Which is what a contrast fromthe way francis see what you
want about him.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Maybe being a francis to uncertain things, francis
would never have.
Never about anyone, right?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
francis didn't like anyone um, yeah, look, I look
the thing is like LifeSite News.
I guess they would have to do atotal rebrand because they had
a very particular brand right.
It's kind of like the CarnivalCruise thing, which I definitely
(09:56):
want to talk about too.
Like Carnival Cruise is nolonger allowing rap music,
they're no longer allowing fans.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's funny because, kind of their, their original
brand was boomers, they're dying.
So then they got a differentclientele and now they have to
ban them.
So now who's going to go oncruises?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
well, it's carnival is the cheap cruise?
Oh man, we can't, are they?
This is just too much.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I despise the whole idea of them, to be honest, yeah
they're.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They're a very particular boomers.
Boomers tend to go on cruise,but boomers also tend to watch,
like watch life site news stuff,right, yeah, but I don't think
the other carnival clientelewatch life site no, I don't, I
don't think so.
But okay, but life site, let'sstick with life site.
So they, are they going to justgo like the national catholic
register route?
(10:46):
Like isn't there plenty ofthose already?
Like I think what john henrydid was kind of stand out in the
crowd of all of the becausethey leaned more trad.
So I don't know what life siteplans to do without john henry
and all of those reporters thatkind of were critical of of
(11:07):
things happening in Rome.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean the whole market for Catholic media seems
pretty saturated Like.
Don't you think, like, whetherit's the, the left cast or your,
your middle of the road or yourtrads, like there's just so
much so to take, take a brandthat had a, a niche, try to
change?
It seems pretty wild to me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, there is so much Catholic media out there
now.
It's not like it was like fivesix years ago.
Even Like five six years ago.
You could jump in this game andyou could get a footing.
It really is such a differentworld now.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, now you have a thousand Eric McCabe's.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Which is it's?
It really is such a differentworld now.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, now you have a thousand eric mccabe's, the
which is we gotta save that,like I really don't have to save
that because I have so much tosay?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
because, like, I almost respect the tactic of
going after the bigger show, butjust the way he went about it
was just so despicable.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how they're gonna.
I don't know because, like,what happens to like the bishop
strickland's now, like what?
What happens to the guys whoare what, like, where is the
place for that traditionalcatholic still critical of the,
(12:17):
like all of the changes asvatican too, like I'm still like
I may not.
Yeah, okay, leo's, not francis.
But like the war wasn't reallyabout francis, francis was like
a symptom of the real problems.
Like francis just made itpersonal, yeah, right, but like
all the issues that we areconcerned with are still there.
It's just you're like I don't,I don't know, like is it is
(12:42):
everything going to go back tolike it was under Benedict,
where everybody's just likehermeneutic of continuity and I
don't know, it's a, it's a weirdthing, I don't know.
Yeah, look even for, even for us, right, like the, the, the, the
last show, we did it.
Like I'm we're getting awayfrom like specifically catholic
(13:04):
news other than like thisopening segment and we're more
getting into like, okay, thisclip can inspire a conversation,
like we did the um, the uh, the, the colombian cathedral
segment.
We did um, there was likesegments that we did where it's
like, okay, look, we're notgonna do church stuff
specifically, but we'll do stuffthat has to do with catholicism
(13:27):
and that'll spur on aconversation like I think that's
more the direction this show isgoing to go, until we do like
deeper interviews and stuff, butlike I'm totally fine, not
doing.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's what the show was until.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Until france has had something, until fiducia,
fiducia supplicants yeah,basically fiducia supplicants
yeah so I don't know what lifesite is going to like.
Are they just going to be ageneric catholic news site like
I don't, like you need a personmore boring than it's kind of
like daily.
It's kind of like daily wire.
(13:58):
Trying to give the commentsection over to that other girl
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
So Brett Brett was, was hername Brett Cooper?
No idea, oh man, you are theworst.
You don't know anything.
Okay, cooper was, I do know, butI didn't want to Brett Cooper
was at the daily wire and shehad the comment section and they
(14:21):
fired her and gave the.
They gave the gig to anothergirl, right she was moderator
and they fired her from the club.
Something like that.
So Brett Cooper goes in andtries to fill this spot and when
I tell you, the show tankedlike Brett Cooper was getting
hundreds of thousands of viewsand she leaves and the other
girl takes over and it goes downto lower views than our channel
.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Like, no joke, Like how low A Daily Wire?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
show getting lower views than us, like no joke.
Like how low you a Daily Wireshow getting lower views than us
, like embarrassingly bad.
But even this new girl theyjust hired what was that girl
that you just brought?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
up Isabel Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Isabel Brown gets the same views we get, like our
show is in contention with showsthat the Daily Wire is picking
up.
It's kind of bizarre.
It's very strange, so theythought they could just replace
it.
What I'm trying to say is lifesite is personality driven.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It is a very specific group of people that enjoy that
content.
They love bishop strickland.
I mean, if you would ask mename one person, a life site
other than john henry weston, Iwould have said kennedy hall
three or four years ago, rightfor a couple of articles.
Well, I know a few of thereporters yeah, but I wouldn't
have been able to name them.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Right, they're not like the face of the thing, so
it's I don't know.
I don't know they're going tohave to find like everything now
is so personality driven.
It's not about putting out goodnews stories necessarily.
It's like I like Edward Penton,so I read Edward Penton.
Good news stories necessarily.
It's like I I like edwardpenton, so I read edward penton.
(15:50):
I don't just read genericcatholic news anymore, I don't.
It's, it's like you.
Everything is personalitydriven now so I don't know what
they're going to do seems kindof a strange move for me.
I don't know.
I and especially since theycould have probably done it
amicably like you, can't justrelease a press statement like
this, like the press statementthey released, the way they went
about it, this is, this is howthey, this is what they release.
(16:12):
Hang on, where is it?
I?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
don't know.
It's in the list of 40 thingsyou sent me today all right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Life site announces that john henry weston is no
longer ceo and editor-in-chieffollowing a recent board vote.
He is now in a well-earnedsabbatical, spending valuable
time with his family.
We acknowledge the significantonline speculation surrounding
this decision, but wish toclarify that much of it is
inaccurate.
The board's decision was madeafter careful consideration,
extensive prayer and acommitment to best serve our
(16:39):
donors, readers and employees,guided by numerous factors
aligned with our mission, and acommitment to best serve our
donors, readers and employees,guided by numerous factors
aligned with our mission and acommitment to best serve our
donors, readers and employeesguide by guided by numerous
factors aligned with our mission.
We express our heartfeltgratitude to John Henry for his
many years of dedicated serviceto life site news and the
pro-life cause.
We wish him well during hissabbatical and ask for continued
(17:00):
prayers for our organization aswe move forward.
I texted him.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He's calling it a sabbatical is kind of wild.
It makes it sound like he'sdying, it's just, instead of
being fired.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Look, john Henry was good to us, so I'm not.
You know I am.
If he gets on his own feet, I'mgoing to help him out.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, not that he needs our help.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Mike Lewis saying who is that YG Nightstorm should be
interim CEO.
I don't know that name.
So I mean, like I said, none ofthis matters.
Like John Henry was the like.
The thing is he'll go and startthe John Henry Weston show and
it will be the size of LifeSiteNews because he's going to take
his audience with him andLifeSite is going to plummet.
Wasn't that show name life siteso life site got banned from
(17:50):
youtube years ago right, theymight.
Oh, they own it, they might theyprobably own it, just like
candace owens, like like shedidn't own her show name, just
like brett cooper didn't own thecomments section.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It's possible.
I don't know, because he waslike co-founder, so it's like he
(18:12):
probably never thoughtsomething like this could happen
.
So yeah, I don't know, it's abig deal.
So, all right, well, ourprayers go with John Henry.
I don't know what LifeSite isthinking.
They'd have been better offstarting a new venture and just
leaving him to take over overthere, I guess.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
But I mean the fact that they mentioned donors.
Clearly, I mean all these.
You know, all theseorganizations are really run by
whoever's donating the mostmoney.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
So I bet you they're gonna lose all of their donors
without John Henry.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It's one of those things.
So when I worked for anonprofit it was a symphony
orchestra, right, like yeah,ticket sales and stuff were
important.
We could have not sold a singleticket to two shows and still
(19:08):
been just fine because ofendowments from rich
millionaires who had died 10, 20years ago and like we were
written into their perpetualendowment.
So you know, there areorganizations like that that
literally one or two donors youknow provide like 80, 90 of the
what do you think of this?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You should think out loud what might cause donors to
freak out.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I can't say that on this side of the show.
I could say that over in localsyou think so I mean think of
what happened with our friendsacross the pond.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Wow, man, holy cow, they're everywhere.
Wow, man, holy cow, they'reeverywhere.
They're everywhere.
I don't know what to do not yet, guys not yet.
Yeah, we'll do it on localscome on alright, let's do it on
the locals we'll do it on locals.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
We got a lot to cover tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Go deeper tunnels, kale all right, stop, stop, stop
, stop.
That's not this youtube rob.
What's going on?
What's the matter with you?
Um, all right, let's do fatherlong and eckers tweet let's
bring that okay, that's only 30messages back um.
Okay, I got it on my end.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Oh great, you got it, do you?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
know how to share your screen.
I do, but I leave that to you,you're better Okay.
Father Dwight Longenecker, whohas me blocked, and I don't know
why I like him.
I think I'm blocked too, butI'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't really like him.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I don't think he blocked me because he doesn't
like me.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I think you know, like you think, those are
obnoxious related, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think some people are annoying, but I still like
them.
I'm weird, though, so who knows?
Uh, all right so but I do likeyou.
I don't.
I don't think father longneckermeant this in the way I took it
.
So if you were to travel backto an ordinary catholic mass in
the 1950s, it would not be verymuch like the highly ornate,
beautiful aesthetictraditionalism of today that
(21:12):
that first tweet, I don't evenget it because, like my tlm is
not highly ornate no, it's in anugly.
Novice ordo church I went to achurch in the round yeah, I went
.
It's very similar.
It's like half in the round alow mass that I went to on
sunday and I I actually like theless ornate, quiet low mass.
I prefer low masses too, to behonest.
I prefer it like it's, and I Iactually like the less ornate,
(21:32):
quiet low mass.
I prefer low masses too, to behonest, I prefer it like it's
silent.
I was able to pray and likegather my thoughts from what the
old timers tell us.
It was a matter of father offinnegan strolling out and
mumbling through his mask asquickly as possible while the
faithful knelt and said andprayed the rosary.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I just want to point out that's his ex-Anglican
English hatred of Irish, rightthere.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So Father O'Finnegan strolling out, mumbling through
the mass as quickly as possiblewhile the faithful knelt and
prayed the rosary.
Meanwhile, the altar boys werebetting if Father could set a
new speed record.
This freaking phrase,specifically, has been on repeat
.
It's the only criticism I haveever seen of the pre-conciliar
(22:17):
liturgy.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I have never seen another criticism of the
pre-conciliar liturgy nor, norhave I ever seen any evidence
supporting any of what he justsaid so so like.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So my response was uh , oh man, why did it screenshot
that?
It's got that stupid thing overit.
I can't what.
Oh, there it goes, never mindfrom what the old timers tell us
.
You mean the revolutionarieswho destroyed what was handed
down to them.
I'll still take the leastornate low mass with
parishioners who pray the rosaryof the nova sordo, but you had
(22:49):
said something I I should haveput your tweet in because you
said I can, I can find my own,yeah, find yours, because you.
You're talking about beinghearsay, like it's not even oh
yeah, so I?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I that was a reply like 20 replies down, but no,
it's exactly hearsay.
Um, the tweet that I, that Itweeted was more like you, you
know, you have, you have someoneto say that they're like, oh
well, did you see any, anymasses like that, you know, and
obviously they're too young,like no, but they're like oh
(23:22):
well, they told me I can't seeany any like actual statements
from primary sources that youknow that of someone who saw
that.
No, but my, my, my aunt ethel,told me once, your aunt ethel,
who was like eight at the timeand like, come on, they never
(23:42):
can actually show any of whatthey claim.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So eric sammons wrote uh, when I was working in
florida diocese dominated by uh,boomer era cath, I noticed that
every story I heard from themabout the bad old days of
pre-Vatican II Catholicismsounded eerily the same, down to
even the exact same phrasing.
At times it was clearly a signof brainwashing.
Some of them weren't even oldenough to remember much of the
50s Catholicism, but they wouldassure me they experienced how
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bad it was and how I was tooyoung to understand.
Once that brainwash narrativegoes away with the next
generation, we'll be fully ableto move forward.
Now this is like almost exactlywhat happened when my dad
watched my show when we werecriticizing the boomers the
other day, and he said to mehe's like I remember the latin
mass.
It was all stuffy and wecouldn't even understand what
was going on.
Remember, and it was like youjust said the same exact thing
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that you were told to say.
Like you were told to say thatand you and you like registered
it in and it's stuck with you,and like you're just repeating
the thing they told you to say,because they all say the same
thing, and like they show howignorant they are about the TLM
when they say that.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Because what do you mean Mumbling the mass is, sid
quietly, you cannot hear thepriest anyways.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, yeah, mass is said quietly.
You cannot hear the priestanyways.
Yeah, yeah, it's so strange.
Like you don't know if hislatin was right.
You didn't speak latin anyway.
How do you know if he wasmumbling?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
it.
We didn't know what they mean.
Did you not know how to readenglish?
Because, like latin english,missiles were all over the place
it's also the era of the, theuh.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like the, the radio is invented in.
Like the.
What the when is invented in.
Like the.
What the when is the radioinvented.
Like the early twenties.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Dude, it's invented by an Italian and you don't even
know when it's invented.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I know it's like the early 1900s, Like where you, but
where you start getting likereal radio programs and like I
mean in America, the radio wasin almost every household by
like the 30s by like late, youknow 1920s, 1930s.
Now by the time the 50s comes,now you have the television and
the television is this magic boxthat beams programming into
your home.
It was like this new tool forbrainwashing people.
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Commercial radio is the 30s,okay, so that's when you get
like little orphan annie andthings like that, and and then
you get the television comes in.
Like this new tool that theycome out with is this mass
propaganda tool and they use itto brainwash an entire
generation into just completelyupending everything and thinking
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they needed a culturalrevolution.
But it's so good that they makethem think it's a grassroots
thing, but they're manipulatingthe whole thing the entire time.
We saw it happen with the BLmriots and stuff like that.
Like every single thing ismanipulated there's money that
goes into the protests andthere's money that goes into
everything, but they all thinkit's this.
Yeah, we're a generation ofrevolution.
This revolution carries on intothe council and and that same
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propaganda machine that they useon the culture, they use on the
same people that are going intothe council and everybody comes
out spewing the same stuff andit's it.
This whole thing neuters thechurch, dismantles sexual ethics
and destroys the family.
Everything is like intended toupend christian society and it
just happened and it's stillhappening today.
And even like these wars thatwe're having between the, the
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trads and the novice ordos andstuff like that.
Like half of it's manufacturedon social media.
You go to a parish and youdon't see that on the ground.
It's just.
You know, we're over herearguing for it because we're
fighting with bots.
Um, the church was growing inthe us during the 40s and 50s.
Bishop fulton sheen was on, uhon, if not the most popular
public figure, one of, if notthe most popular public figure,
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one of, if not the most popularfigure on TV.
Their catchphrases are copes tojustify the radical change.
You can't separate the massivecultural change that comes in,
apart from the technology thatcomes into play.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And it's the same thing with the internet.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
We're dealing with the same thing right now.
We're about to come up onanother cultural revolution and
they're using the new technologythat's being fed to feed this
revolution.
And we're all going to thinkbecause I was talking about this
with my, my cousin, last nightjust how, getting into the same
conversation we always do about,like, the next generation not
being able to afford housing,like, so I mean, this could feed
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into the 32 year old video youwant to throw that on.
It's a good segue, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Are we done with this part yet?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, it's just?
No, I guess not.
Yeah, it's.
It's just the same tired copethat we always hear from the
same people that argue againstthe traditional liturgy.
It's like I have seen on theground, like I spent my life in
the Novus Ordo.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Don't tell me, Because people will say like, oh
, like my parents, my parents,aunts, uncles, they're all
boomers who if they go to mass,you know it's nominal at best,
and they all thought they wereraised in a catholic school and
you know, and they have all thestories about nuns beating them
and they had to go to publicschool for science because no
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one at the catholic school.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Even the nuns beat us .
I don't believe any of you.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I don't believe the nuns beat you guys, I think
you're liars and you know whatsomebody told you the nuns hit
you and you just view thatnonsense if they did good, they
should have hit you harder andlike I don't like you, really
like grown men complaining.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
The nuns hit you, stop it.
My mom hit me all the time whenI was younger.
I never hurt.
I used to laugh at her.
She gets so mad well it's, it'slike.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's like the light version of the, the residential
school story in canada, and the,the babies and the septic tank
in ireland, and how they haveproven to be 100 false each and
every time.
So you know what you dying oldboomer, I don't care if the nuns
hit you anything, I just don'tbelieve you yeah, cal, more
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hearsay.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Your classmates got hit.
You didn't though, right?
Yeah, sure no, they came outand they told you they did what
happened.
The nun smacked them on thehand with the ruler knock it off
.
Can you guys stop?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
well, that stuff was happening in public schools too.
You know what I seriously getover it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
What's the matter with everybody?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
oh, the nun hit me.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh, cameron's on her show.
Look at this guy, cameron, I'dlove to get you on and just hang
one night.
I know we were kind of cut outof the whole cool, cool track it
would actually be interestingto go back when the documentary
was made, but it'd beinteresting to hear his take on
this subject actually yeah, it'sjust he's seen any actual
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evidence of of the claims Ithink I just think it's so
bizarre that, like becausethere's the same catchphrases
that you hear over and over,like even the like, everything
we're saying the nuns hit us allthis like I don't think any of
this stuff happened.
And the reason I don't think itis because when they tell me
that a the residential schoolthing in canada happened was,
and then you find out it'snonsense you hear about the
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irish, the stories over inireland, and you find that, nah,
that's nonsense too.
Like how much of the stuff youwere told about the horrible
state of the church before thecouncil is just propaganda that
you were fed through through tv.
So like 100 right.
So me and my wife watched thisseries about these.
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It was about an Irish, theseIrish nuns who were dealing with
children being adopted, andthis woman she was a teenage
girl and she got pregnant andshe went to the nuns for help
and they basically adopted herchild away and told her her
child died.
And I'm like we watched thisthing and I'm just like my
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wife's, like this is horrible,did this happen?
I'm like this didn't happen,this didn't happen.
Like we're watching somethingto make us angry at something
that never happened.
It's like all of it.
It's just just anti-Catholicpropaganda.
I don't believe any of it.
It's just just anti-Catholicpropaganda.
I don't believe any of it.
And it's all going to come backto those donors pressure people
.
It's just, I just think.
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I just think all of it isnonsense.
Like I don't see any evidenceof I.
I I grew up in the Novus Ordo.
I went to two Novus Ordo masseslast month because I had to.
I know what it is.
You guys can't fool me.
I'm not like some rad trad whogrew up in the sspx and I just
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like I know what it is.
I know, I spent a lot of timethere.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Like I was an altar boy.
I went through ccd yeah, likedon't try to net.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I went to the steubenville conferences.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I know guys it's not good, like stop it.
I know it's like man, we'regonna get into it.
Set up a con, they said, andstuff with that eric mccabe guy
too.
It's just, uh, why did I go tothe novus ordo?
Um, I I'm not, like, I don'tthink, like the novus ordo isn't
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the mass I don't know.
Like, if I have to go, I'll go.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I don't like it, but I will like um anthony knows
what he was talking about,because he was beat by novus
ordo no traditional nuns everhit me.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'll tell you that I don't know man.
I just don't believe any of it.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Maybe some of it did happen, and I'm just jaded and
cynical at this point, but Ijust like the one piece of
evidence they ever show right ofthe bad TLMs is the Kennedy
funeral.
Evidence they ever show rightof of the bad tlms is the
kennedy funeral.
It's like oh you're so, you'retelling me that that a cardinal
who, who went to vatican to andprobably was one of the
revolutionaries, said a badlatin mass.
Oh well, yeah, of course he didcome on yeah, what did what
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actually?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I've never actually watched that video.
What is so bad about it?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
he can't pronounce latin he can't say Latin at all.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Now, if a priest's Latin is, I don't even care.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I know what you're going to.
People were saying that itcould invalidate the Mass.
I looked it up and St Thomasdoes talk about how if the
priest says the word in such away where it cannot be
understood as the word you know,as the words of like
consecration, yeah, it couldinvalidate the mass.
Like if they're changing likethe prefix of the word in latin
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right and saying like motherinstead of father, yeah that,
yeah, that invalidates the Mass.
If they're putting like thewrong suffixes and declinations
and stuff, that doesn'tinvalidate the Mass.
They're also reading out of theMissal Reading the card that's
right in front of them.
Right, it's like all right.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
so you mispronounce something.
It's not the same thing as,like changing the words of
consecration, like you canmispronounce something.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I the words of consecration.
Like you can mispronouncesomething I've literally seen
and heard novus ordo priest adlib consecration.
So you know what.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'm not all that worried about some yeah, I'm
tired of hearing like there waslook okay, so there was like a
push for a liturgical reformbecause maybe things were
getting a little stale.
I'll give you that like, yeah,okay.
So I gotta be honest, Isometimes I go to a high mass
and it's an hour and 40 minutesand I'm like I wish we kind of
got one of those speedy mumblethrough the mass and got me out
there quicker.
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Like I'm not.
I'm not so averse to a 40minute mass, it's not.
I'm not like I'm okay with a 40minute, I'm okay with a 35
minute novus ordo daily mass,like it's okay, that's another
thing.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Like like everyone who says oh, half hour low
masses, you guys never gone todaily mass daily mass is 35
minutes of music.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's nothing.
You just go, you're one reading.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Nope, you know, maybe a sentence or two for a homily
like that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Give me a break and it's like, and it's like you
actually like that, like whocome on listen?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
like, like obviously we don't want the mass to be a
little quicker, come on Iunderstand a high mass with a
beautiful choir obviously is ismore pleasing to god.
Right, I I understand that.
But if, if, like, if we'retalking simply about preferences
which you know, everyone saysour t, the tlm, is just our
preference, it's like no, it'stheologically just better.
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But if we were talking aboutpreferences, I don't need to sit
through some choir chanting thegloria.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I really don't, or the creator, just give me the
low I'm gonna show you exactlywhat the problem is with what
we're talking about and playthis video.
I just sent it play this videobecause this is this is what I'm
talking about.
Let's play this.
This is what we're talkingabout, right here what's with
(36:43):
the circus organ?
We don't have to play the wholething, but andrea bocelli
singing the Ave Maria Beautiful,beautiful.
He's in beach clothes.
He's not the only one, everysingle person there is in beach
clothes.
You look at the woman.
The woman's wearing a tank topand shorts and it's like there
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comes a certain point where youhave to say there's something so
informal about the Novus Ordothat you feel normal going in
your beach clothes to it, butthere's something so
transcendent about the LatinMass that you wouldn't dare go
in wearing beach clothes.
And it's not just becauseyou'll be looked at.
You feel like you're going tosomething formal.
(37:25):
You feel like you're going tosomething otherworldly.
I'm just literally going to sayotherworldly.
The liturgy itself is soinformal that people will go in
their pajama.
Now, look, I've gone to a Latin, daily Latin mass where I'm
going from work and I'm in mywork clothes, but you feel out
of place, like you don't, youdon't, and it's also a daily
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mass, it's not a Sunday mass,it's like.
But the liturgy itself is thisinformal.
Hey, mass, it's like.
But the liturgy itself is thisinformal.
Hey, we're just coming togetherfor a meal.
Everybody just let's shakehands and let's get to meet each
other.
It's like it doesn't, itdoesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't
display what it claims to be,which is where heaven meets
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earth, the holy sacrifice ofcalvary.
It just doesn't engender thatin any way whatsoever.
So I mean you can't and andit's like, and they're not even
like dressed that bad.
Those people like they'redressed in nice shorts and
better than most novus ordomasks.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Like like I've seen girls in yoga pants and tank
tops and it's like, like it'sjust baffling to me that people
can't see.
I see it, I see it.
Don't tell me my eyes aren'tseeing what I'm seeing.
I see it, mm-hmm, um, yes, it'sa protestant way of worship.
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Of course, it is like it justis um.
Could you have john farrell?
from annulment proof on the show.
No, absolutely not.
I don't even know who he is, Ijust know, uh, everybody keeps
bugging us.
I really don't know who he is.
Uh, yeah, no, that's whatthey're telling me.
Don't believe your lying eyes.
Don't believe your lying eyes,like I, I know, I see it every
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week yoga pants every week.
It's the same thing and it'sjust.
You see, people go receivecommunion.
They rush out the door.
It's just and it's not.
I'm not even knocking thepeople because they it's not
like, like.
It's really not the peoplewearing the clothes that are the
problem, it's the liturgyitself tells them it's totally
fine to do and there's no reasonfor them to think otherwise.
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It's like people really arejust going, they want to get in,
they want to get out.
They just want to go do that,you know, so they can say they
fulfilled this on the obligationand get it over with it.
Kind of just, is that, I don'tknow.
All right, we'll just be seenas the evil, evil trads who hate
the nova sordo.
I guess, what are you gonna do?
(39:54):
All right, we got 20 minutesleft.
I want to do two clips.
I want to do this crazy broad,hit the button, so you know it's
a segment change.
I want.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
All right, so I know, so you know yeah, we never have
videos of women when they arebeing sane.
So you can't say we want toplay the clip of the crazy broad
, because all women are.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
There are clips of crazy broad, don't exactly do
much to elevate women on thisshow.
I will say that is correct.
We'll have to do a segment on,like a positive segment on women
soon.
Hold your breath, guys, it'llbe soon.
I promise Not that soon, butit'll be soon.
I promise not that soon, butit'll be soon.
Stop it, I don't like being onby myself.
All right, let's get this.
Let's get this crazy crazy ladyon.
(40:36):
I'm fairly certain this videois a troll, right?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
with the point.
Will that stop?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
us from talking about it?
Absolutely no, because it spursa conversation on.
I'm fairly certain the video isfake.
I mean I, I mean I can'tbelieve this woman is this nuts.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
It's a good thing, you guys, that Anthony doesn't
know how to make fake AI videos,because instead of us talking
about his tweets all day, we'dbe talking about fake videos he
made all day.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So the video itself could be fake, but it doesn't
change what my thoughts on itare, because there are mothers
doing this, maybe not thisexplicitly, but I know
personally mothers who encouragetheir children to have sex out
of wedlock in their teens, like,I actually know people who are
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doing it and I think it's nuts.
I actually know people who aredoing it and I think it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
My 14 year old is officially pregnant and having a
child, before you guys come forme.
She has been in a relationshipsince she was 12 with the same
guy.
He is also 14.
Okay, so I don't want to hearany of that weird stuff.
Okay, so at first I was alittle taken back when she said
that her and her boyfriend weretrying for a baby because she's
14.
And I was like, girl, like youcan't handle a baby at that age.
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But she knows, I really lovepuppies and I really love kids.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's clearly things.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
She thinks she's ready and that she's mature and
she's a lot more mature than thekids in her class that she's
been with him for two years andthat they think that they're
ready.
And I brought up the concernlike, hey, you're in school, how
are you supposed to go toschool?
And she said well, mom, youlove kids.
You can watch my baby duringthe day all right, it's clearly
fake, right it's.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
It's clearly a troll.
Why?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
why are we watching this?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
because I have, because it's going to spur on a
conversation.
That's why the point of thesevideos is to spur a conversation
.
I know when we uh like when mywife and I were talking to uh
like friends of ours about ourkids and how we're teaching our
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kids abstinence and my daughtersare not on birth control and
things like that Like theylaughed at us.
They laughed at us.
And we are talking about peoplewho buy their teenagers condoms
and give their get theirdaughters on birth control.
I know one mother who's worriedthat her son is same sex
attracted so she is letting himhave girls sleep over and and
(43:03):
giving them alcohol at 15, 16years old, hoping that her son
sleeps with the girl.
Because like this is, this ispsychotic behavior and and this
look there's, I would say, like90 of your average parent right
now like are bringing theirdaughters to get on birth
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control going.
Well, you know, you just can'tcontrol what your kids are doing
.
They're just going to dowhatever they want to do.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
They may as well just be safe about it I hold nothing
but but true, true scorn forany parent like that like not
yeah, it's not a lack of respect, it's, it's way deeper than
that.
Like honestly, oh I don't, Ican't even say no, you actually
hate your children.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
You hate your children because, no matter what
you say to them at that point,if you're doing that, you're
saying I'm going to say thisthing to you, but I know you're
not going to listen and you'regoing to go do what you want to
do.
And it's not just that.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Like I know, there are it would be better for you
to give, give your child crackheroin, right, like you're, like
, you're, you're, you're.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
There are mothers who talk to their teenage daughters
about the boys they've beenwith, and like it's, it's
insanity, like we are living ina time that is so debauched and
disgusting, like I saw um.
There's this protestant womanwho went on um, went on a
podcast with a, a gay guy who,uh, had a.
(44:36):
He had a surrogate child, likethey, you know, they did ivf
with his partner and they had achild.
And it's like we see, like mostof these conversations are
being had by women and they're,they're doing the, the, the
pro-life women's approach, andit's like a child has a right to
(44:59):
their mother and it's like, yes, that's true, as far as it goes
, they do.
Like a child has a right totheir mother.
And, yes, there are babies thatget killed in IVF.
But like they're missing thebigger picture, one that sodomy
is reprehensible, like it'sdisgusting like it's just
reprehensible, right?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
that's first off.
Second off did you see all thebrats today saying, oh uh,
having gay sex is just as likeimmoral as having premarital sex
?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
there should be people they don't understand
natural law whatsoever, likethey don't understand disordered
natural law whatsoever so like,but getting to that disordered
lifestyle, like what you'redoing.
When you bring a child into that, you are giving them zero
chance at a healthy monogamousrelationship for the rest of
their life like almost a zerochance.
(45:48):
Like, unless they have like atrue conversion to christ,
because what you're doing isyou're bringing a child into an
environment that is sodisordered that you're, you're,
you're basically setting up withthis mother in this troll video
is doing for whatever kid youbring into that, because you're
setting sex up as like it's justthis thing for pleasure, go do
with whoever you want.
And they're encouraging thesekids to experiment in wild and
(46:12):
insane ways.
Because every one of thesepeople are activists and they
want to parade their lgb,whatever kid around as if it's a
toy, like they're allmunchausen syndrome by proxy
lunatics, all of them there willbe studies done in the future
on like what the hell happenedto these couple generations of
(46:35):
women that literally made themall clinically insane I, I, I
think maybe that will happen,but it'll be far too late by
then.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But I think oh no, yeah, it's gonna be like 200
years far too late by then,right.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
But I think it's going to be like 200 years, far
too late by then, right.
But I really do think this hasa lot to do with even allowing
women to have theseconversations in the pro-life
movement, like it's it's soworried about, like saying the
real issue that's happening, andit's like like yeah, ivf is
gross because it commodifieskids.
That's like a little tinysegment.
(47:10):
It's like you're going to put achild with two men who do the
most disgusting act imaginable.
Like how can you, how can we asa society be OK with this?
It's so insane.
Yeah, I don't know, I don't, Idon't, I don't know how that
conversation gets changed.
I don't know, because I I'mtelling I like I've watched a
(47:31):
couple of these episodes andlike I I'm not even knocking the
woman who had the conversation,cause it is very difficult to
have a conversation withsomebody when you're telling
them what they do is wrong,right, like it's not.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
And I think that's the only way.
I think that's the only thingwe can do.
We, I mean, and we're going tolose friends.
Like we got to start shamingpeople, dude.
Yeah, Well, look, I don't careif you've been my family friend
for forever.
You did what.
You talk about what with yourdaughter?
No, fuck off, I don't want youaround my family anymore.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You don't get to be around my kids, you disgusting
pervert.
It's something.
It's just something's got tochange in the conversation
because it's getting so out ofhand.
I have a.
I have a uh, somebody I wasspeaking to recently who
struggled with same-sexattraction and they and like
they had like a total conversionand now they're sorry for
swearing everyone.
Yeah, I, I think it was just a,it wasn't like you were yeah,
(48:29):
it wasn't like a tim gordonswear for the sake of swearing,
I think you were.
I think you were just a.
It wasn't like you were.
Yeah, it wasn't like a timgordon swear for the sake of
swearing, I think you were.
I think you were just welled upwith emotion at the moment.
But, um, I, uh, I I have.
I have somebody I spoke withrecently who, like, got out of
that lifestyle and I'm trying tobe vague because I don't want
to say who it was but, um, theynow work, um, they, they now
(48:50):
work in in the field of, um,like, counseling, and he was.
He was going through thistraining for the counseling and
in the training program, the,the, the trainer brought up Pope
Francis and fiducia supplicantsand he went nuts and he's like,
(49:12):
like it, just, it justcompletely set him off.
He's like you have no idea howenraging it was to sit there and
listen to this person tell mehow like I'm.
I'm going through this trainingprogram on counseling and
they're telling me how thechurch is okay with this kind of
stuff.
Now you talk about Jason again,jason and his daughter who can
(49:33):
only put up 135 pounds.
I'm kidding, I'm only kidding.
Yeah, it's just I, I'm, I don'tknow I it just gets harder and
harder to watch theseconversations happening because
they're not being had properly.
And I don't know, I'm notafraid, I don't know if I feel
(49:55):
comfortable having a sit downwith a well-known married gay
man.
I mean I probably would justhave to lose it and just be like
you're disgusting, you're gross, like the fact that
conservatives let a guy likeDave Rubin into the inner circle
, like you people are.
You people have no shame.
Like what are you doing?
How are you?
(50:15):
How are you making him a voicein conservatism?
I saw kale going off aboutJordan Peterson talking to David
French and he's like he's likeJordan Peterson is just like a
slave to his podcast at dailywire now but it's like all right
.
So jordan peterson trying tonormalize david french into
(50:37):
conservative conversations.
But it's like somebodynormalized jordan peterson maybe
I helped with that.
You did him into conservativeconversations because he's
always been a lib and you andthe thing is it.
Things were so crazy when whenthings like 2015 to 2018, things
were so insane that, like a guycoming in and going clean your
(50:57):
room, it was like whoa, he's sodry.
It's like clean your room,stand up straight and that, and
like we all bought it and it'slike that's how bad things were.
The look.
I do think jordan peterson hadsome valuable things to add to
the conversation, but it's likethese are libs who just think
the trans wardrobe was not oneof them.
(51:18):
No, it wasn't, but these are.
These are just like liberals whothink like the gender stuff
went crazy and like any, butlike we, with james lindsey, all
these guys, these are just libswho were like they're just 2012
, libs they're not like thegender stuff went too crazy, so
like they spoke out againstgender stuff and we all thought
like, oh, these are good guysand it's like, no, they're not,
(51:39):
they're not, they're still libs,yeah, and and now we've,
they've, they've trojan horsetheir way into the conservative
movement and now we have theoverton window is shifted so
freaking far at this point it'sjust nuts we're gonna have to
stop playing the game, you know,I mean like we're gonna have to
(52:01):
with the, the structures thatwe have in society today, we
will not be able to get back toa place of sanity.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
You know we're not going to vote our way out of
this.
You're not going to.
It doesn't matter how manyso-called conservatives you get
on your local school board or onyour local city council, or
none of that's going to work.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I think that they're orchestrating another revolution
, though, like I really do.
I think they're manipulatinginto another, because this
current system can't go on theway it is.
God can't allow it to.
It's just too degenerate atthis point.
Right, like God is at a certainpoint of a father.
Like somebody just said, if youspare your child the rod,
(52:51):
you're like right, where didthey put that?
Uh, this, this goes for God aswell.
Like, spare the rod, spoil thechild.
Like God has spared the rod fortoo long.
Like something needs to happenat this point, and it's I was
(53:12):
talking to my cousin last nightabout it it's like okay, so it's
going to be something.
Like the remnants of what aregoing on now will be included.
Just kind of like the RomanEmpire when it collapsed, like
Christianity kind of picked upthe pieces and built something
after.
Like something's got to bebuilt after this.
Like this current thing justcan't continue.
I mean, so it's on its lastgasp and it's spitting on fumes
(53:36):
right now and it's there's notmuch left to it.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
I don't know when that happens or how soon, but
well, it was like the, the, thepolitical order a hundred, 110
years ago, right going intoworld war one.
I mean, it was on its last gas,the world order that had been
built at the end of theNapoleonic Wars.
It barely survived therevolutions of 1848.
(54:00):
Somehow survived that.
Then you had the Italianunification and the German
unification, but it was on itslast, last legs.
They're going into into the1910s and, and every country
felt it, every country washungry for, for war, right, they
, they were ecstatic when worldwar one finally kicked off.
(54:22):
You know, there they were, theywere ecstatic, there was
parades, there were celebrations, the, the, you know, they were
ready for that world to end andit did.
Obviously, I mean World War.
I was like a European suicide,it was a suicide of Christendom,
basically, right.
And you had the US come in andyou had the US kick out the
(54:44):
Habsburgs, and you had Germanyworking to overthrow the Tsar,
and then, of course, we workedto overthrow the Kaiser, you
know.
And then you had this hollowshell of Europe that limped
along until, you know, somecertain peoples tried to.
Tried to bring some pride backto their nation right and did so
(55:08):
maybe in very poor ways, maybesome poor decision but what I
mean world war ii was was anattempt, was an attempt by both
sides by one side to finish whathad been started and by the
other to rectify something rightnow.
Now you, the, the germans anditalians, they weren't wanting
(55:29):
necessarily to get back to, tochristianity, obviously yeah,
yeah, it was a secular movement.
Right it was.
It was a secular nationalism,um, which is is can be very
dangerous, but, but they weretrying to write the right to
rectify what they saw were thewrongs.
Yeah, and now look at the worldwe're living in now.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
I think something's going to happen.
I see Trump is now on boardwith oh, we've got to get
Ukraine more weapons.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
It's like dude, what you were the guy telling us
you'd have this thing wrapped upon day one.
Now you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
We've got to get more money to Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
While he berates us for why we're still asking about
Epstein.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Oh man, People are still on the Trump train.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I don't get you guys, I don't get it either.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I don't get you guys.
I don't know.
You guys are still going to tryand convince me that Trump is
the guy we voted for.
Stop it, you guys are all outof your minds.
All right, we're going to go.
Look when I tell you I have alot to say.
(56:38):
We are going to get into thereal Eric McCabe.
I think I put a teaser in there, right, Rob?
Put a teaser.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
What do you mean?
You put a teaser.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
I wrote teaser for locals.
I put teaser for locals.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
The list of things you sent me is this long.
You want me to find the onethat says teaser.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, it's a video and I wrote teaser for locals.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
Is it the one with Sede Picante?
Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, it's right under that.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
Give me a second yeah .
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Amnesty's coming.
Oh, here's.
You got it right.
So this is the teaser, guys,this is what we're going to get
into anytime, anywhere, dudethat's I mean.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
With all due respect, what would we talk about
liturgy?
Street style okay, I'm gonnakill, I'm gonna kill it to
everything but locals.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Wouldn't that be a waste of our time?
This kid picked the fight.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
He picked the fight I was so glad we get to that was
so nice it was so nice.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Do I have the nice video?
You guys are gonna miss a goodone if you're not a local
subscriber let me, let me geteveryone the link I'm just
telling you guys you're gonnamiss a good one, because I have
quite a bit to say, quite aquite a bit to say if you all
missed the time anthony toldlofton he was gay and should
stop it oh, this is gonna be wayworse than lofton.
(58:14):
oh, this is gonna be worse thanlofton because it didn't have to
be this way.
It didn't have to be.
Why are you going godfather onthis?
It didn't have to be like this.
Like rob.
Can you know what?
Before we go to the other side,just show these people.
I want you to put us, uh, theclip where I wrote us making
light of his initial trolling,and then we'll carry it over to
(58:36):
the other side, cause I want youguys to see my attitude
initially with this, and it wasthis until he crossed the line,
and he crossed the line and hewent a little too far, little
too far, little too far, becausethis was my actual attitude
(58:59):
towards this.
I want to run with you at theTLM.
Poor Eric, I like Eric.
Eric's funny Salmons.
We've been goofing around witheach other a little bit, so yeah
, so the guy's name is Eric andhe sent in a funny super chat
and I was like, oh, I like him,he's funny Salmon's.
We've been goofing around witheach other a little bit, so,
yeah, so the guy's name is Ericand he sent in a funny super
chat and I was like, oh, I likehim, he's funny, Because I
thought he was being funny.
But all right, this is forlocals only because I don't want
people to like Max getting mad.
(59:20):
Negativity.
It's not negativity, I'm not apunching bag.
So
You know, can I look at women in church?
Can I gaze at their rears,whether that's in church or at
the beach?
Plus-sized women at the beach,whatever, what the hell.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The real Eric McCabe.
Whatever, what the hell.
The real eric mccabe.
We will get into that one later, folks.
Oh boy, will we get into thatone later.
I'm so excited for tonight somepeople, some people want to
pick fights and then, and thenthey're like you guys are mean,
(00:46):
I'm a victim, pick a fight,you're not gonna win.
It's not a good idea.
I have a lot to say tonight,man.
Yeah a lot I have different fromany night I've ever known no,
dude, I haven't had like thismuch on my mind in a long time.
John Henry Weston out atLifeSite oh, believe me, you
(01:08):
guys will see.
You will see, you will see myhead blow off later.
I got receipts.
I got a lot of things we'regoing to go over, but I'm going
to save that for locals becauseRob doesn't want, rob doesn't
like when we do the clickbaitdrama on here.
It's gay.
I promise you this won't be gay.
(01:31):
I'm just telling you guysyou're going to want to see this
rant because I have a lot tosay about this kid, a lot
Because I didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I mean, I started off so nice with let's make sure we
don't skip what the show wasoriginally going to be about.
Oh, no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
OK, so look, here's the deal.
John Henry Weston title story.
We got to discuss that realquick.
I mean, that's insane.
We're going to talk aboutFather Longnecker's tweet and
the the magic spell, becauseCale taught us that, which is
pretty cool.
Like there are certain phrasesthat get said and they're a
magic spell at that point, right.
(02:09):
And then LifeSite ironicallyreleased an article saying
Catholic priest says thateffeminate men are responsible
for divorce.
And I wanted that to lead intothe video of the woman
encouraging her 14 year olddaughter to get pregnant, which
probably is fake, but I knowreal life people that are like
(02:32):
that and I just have someventing to do.
And then also I want to discussthe 32 year old kid living at
home, rent-free, with hisparents.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh, my gosh, we keep.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
This cannot be a three-hour this is gonna be a
long show and then no, and thenwe got a lot to get to.
And then, um, uh, san antoniobishop bands communion rail.
We got the quick 40 second clipof that.
Uh, we got a heavy, heavy show.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And then, uh, pageau, I got a pageau no rob's not
gonna like but he'll actuallylike it with three other, three
other hours worth of stuff wedon't need it's going to go well
with the father long neckerclip with that that segment.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So we got to remember that.
But also, before I forget, Ipromised don so that his wife
would um stop bugging him.
Uh, the catholic land movementhas uh an upcoming event.
Uh, saturday, july 19th.
Uh, 484 angel hill road inedmiston, new york.
(03:33):
Join us for a day of practicalworkshops, speakers and
fellowship at the rosa mystica,new york on july 19th great
place to meet other catholichomesteaders and agrarians.
So I promised not, I would givethat a shout out.
All right, john Henry Weston, Iknow what.
Two plates, two plates on a baris two, two.
Two plates on a bar on eachside is two, 25, two, 25.
(03:55):
Yeah, it's two, 25.
But Jason said my Jason's halfI.
I saw Jason tweet and I justthought his son was as shot as
he was.
And I just wasn't thinking thegym, I just thought his son was
dumb.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I do know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That was my first initial thought.
He's just dumb and I'm like hiskid's dumb too.
I don't know it took me, I'mlike 45, 45.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And then, as soon as majority, it's like no one 35.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
yes, as soon as johnny says his cell phone, I'm
like oh, the gym.
Oh, all right, barbell.
Um, yeah, all right.
So, anyway, all right.
So let's get to it.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Um, very professional john henry, not an ad read.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
We don't have to get to an ad read yeah, we don't
have any sponsors, but johnhenry weston's out at life site,
um john henry weston is lifesight like I don't, I don't know
that's a good thing or badthing well it's.
It's kind of like o'keefegetting removed from project
veritas.
Like I don't know, I don't knowhow they try to move on without
(04:57):
him.
Like I don't, I don't know,he's the face of the thing he
co-found.
Like I find it so unnerving thatsomebody can found an
organization and then the boardcan vote him out like anthony
was just voted out everyone, sohe just found out how you can do
that and the same thinghappened with father john lavo,
(05:18):
right like he founded thecoalition for canceled priests,
and then the board gets togetherand they vote him out well, now
we've all found out that theydid that so that they could just
spend all the money onpointless stuff crazy that story
.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Right like they stopped supporting priests and
they they just have a millionbucks in assets and cash and
they just started looting it?
Well, no, they, they don't.
That's the thing they don't.
They just don't spend it onanything, including priest yeah,
it's a weird situation.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't want to get involved over there.
I don't know.
I don't know what the hell'shappening over there.
I know a bunch of people overthere.
That's why it's weird.
But the the thing for me islife sight is john henry to me
like and john henry.
Strangely, I met john henry atthe coalition conference.
He interviewed us and that hada very big part to do with our
show blowing up.
(06:07):
Um he, so he aired thatinterview of us.
To be fair, he's interviewed youtwice and me zero times that's
true, but it was so I might beon my side I might be on life's
side's board side on this no, no, no, no, you weren't available,
they asked you to come on Isaid no no, I have to work the
(06:28):
uh um also I I went on withcatholic unscripted and it was
like an awkward thing, like theywanted you on for that
interview too.
But it was like so last minuteand it was I don't know.
So you're they want the nexttime they interview us.
They're like we want rob onnext time.
So it's a similar thing.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
It's not that they only asked me um I love how,
anytime like we're doinganything with europeans, it's
always us that have to like getup at 9 am on a saturday instead
of making them stay up until 3am ona weeknight it's true, um,
so, um, but life site seems tobe cleaning house, seems that
(07:04):
way.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah right, like they didn't just get rid of john
henry.
So, um, we also.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Cox was one of the reporters that that is gone um,
I don't know who else um, sowait, I'm in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm in the wrong thing.
Um, seeing that, okay.
So edward welsh said john henryweston, co-founder of the
conservative catholic site lifesite news, is out as ceo and
editor-in-chief.
I'm hearing from multiplesources weston was removed by a
5-4 board vote as a majoritywanted to chart a new course for
(07:40):
the site after the election ofleo the 14th.
Now I don't remember john henrybeing particularly critical of
leo no great.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'll be honest, I don't follow too closely to life
site or or john henry stuff,but um, oh, when I look when I
talked to him because ramon andI talked to him, uh, right
before it was right before Iwent to greece.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was right before I went to greece, it was like
right after his election.
Like we were both kind of likeyou know, we don't know what's
gonna happen here.
Maybe jason was right maybejason was right.
Oh, maybe he is grover.
We have some theories that youare jeremiah bannister, that
you're, uh, you're a secret fanof the show.
(08:25):
Um, the I I don't remember himbeing, but it is kind of strange
how everyone in lockstep justlike jumped on the leo train
like I, I understand the allright, let's give the guy a
little space, but like it waskind of strange that everybody
like so.
I also saw uh today that umpope leo congratulated um burke.
(08:51):
Burke, right, where is that?
Uh, here it is.
Uh, pope leo has written tocongratulate cardinal burke on
his 50th ordination anniversaryand thank him for his service to
the church.
Pontifex thanks Burke for theearnest care he has demonstrated
, most especially for the law,which has also been of good
service to the casteries of theapostolic see.
(09:12):
He has preached the precepts ofthe gospel according to the
heart of Christ and hasrecounted his treasures
diligently, offering his devotedservice to the church universal
.
Which is what a contrast fromthe way francis see what you
want about him.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Maybe being a francis to uncertain things, francis
would never have.
Never about anyone, right?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
francis didn't like anyone um, yeah, look, I look
the thing is like LifeSite News.
I guess they would have to do atotal rebrand because they had
a very particular brand right.
It's kind of like the CarnivalCruise thing, which I definitely
(09:56):
want to talk about too.
Like Carnival Cruise is nolonger allowing rap music,
they're no longer allowing fans.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's funny because, kind of their, their original
brand was boomers, they're dying.
So then they got a differentclientele and now they have to
ban them.
So now who's going to go oncruises?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
well, it's carnival is the cheap cruise?
Oh man, we can't, are they?
This is just too much.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I despise the whole idea of them, to be honest, yeah
they're.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
They're a very particular boomers.
Boomers tend to go on cruise,but boomers also tend to watch,
like watch life site news stuff,right, yeah, but I don't think
the other carnival clientelewatch life site no, I don't, I
don't think so.
But okay, but life site, let'sstick with life site.
So they, are they going to justgo like the national catholic
register route?
(10:46):
Like isn't there plenty ofthose already?
Like I think what john henrydid was kind of stand out in the
crowd of all of the becausethey leaned more trad.
So I don't know what life siteplans to do without john henry
and all of those reporters thatkind of were critical of of
(11:07):
things happening in Rome.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean the whole market for Catholic media seems
pretty saturated Like.
Don't you think, like, whetherit's the, the left cast or your,
your middle of the road or yourtrads, like there's just so
much so to take, take a brandthat had a, a niche, try to
change?
It seems pretty wild to me.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, there is so much Catholic media out there
now.
It's not like it was like fivesix years ago.
Even Like five six years ago.
You could jump in this game andyou could get a footing.
It really is such a differentworld now.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, now you have a thousand Eric McCabe's.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Which is it's?
It really is such a differentworld now.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, now you have a thousand eric mccabe's, the
which is we gotta save that,like I really don't have to save
that because I have so much tosay?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
because, like, I almost respect the tactic of
going after the bigger show, butjust the way he went about it
was just so despicable.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how they're gonna.
I don't know because, like,what happens to like the bishop
strickland's now, like what?
What happens to the guys whoare what, like, where is the
place for that traditionalcatholic still critical of the,
(12:17):
like all of the changes asvatican too, like I'm still like
I may not.
Yeah, okay, leo's, not francis.
But like the war wasn't reallyabout francis, francis was like
a symptom of the real problems.
Like francis just made itpersonal, yeah, right, but like
all the issues that we areconcerned with are still there.
It's just you're like I don't,I don't know, like is it is
(12:42):
everything going to go back tolike it was under Benedict,
where everybody's just likehermeneutic of continuity and I
don't know, it's a, it's a weirdthing, I don't know.
Yeah, look even for, even for us, right, like the, the, the, the
last show, we did it.
Like I'm we're getting awayfrom like specifically catholic
(13:04):
news other than like thisopening segment and we're more
getting into like, okay, thisclip can inspire a conversation,
like we did the um, the uh, the, the colombian cathedral
segment.
We did um, there was likesegments that we did where it's
like, okay, look, we're notgonna do church stuff
specifically, but we'll do stuffthat has to do with catholicism
(13:27):
and that'll spur on aconversation like I think that's
more the direction this show isgoing to go, until we do like
deeper interviews and stuff, butlike I'm totally fine, not
doing.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's what the show was until.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Until france has had something, until fiducia,
fiducia supplicants yeah,basically fiducia supplicants
yeah so I don't know what lifesite is going to like.
Are they just going to be ageneric catholic news site like
I don't, like you need a personmore boring than it's kind of
like daily.
It's kind of like daily wire.
(13:58):
Trying to give the commentsection over to that other girl
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
So Brett Brett was, was hername Brett Cooper?
No idea, oh man, you are theworst.
You don't know anything.
Okay, cooper was, I do know, butI didn't want to Brett Cooper
was at the daily wire and shehad the comment section and they
(14:21):
fired her and gave the.
They gave the gig to anothergirl, right she was moderator
and they fired her from the club.
Something like that.
So Brett Cooper goes in andtries to fill this spot and when
I tell you, the show tankedlike Brett Cooper was getting
hundreds of thousands of viewsand she leaves and the other
girl takes over and it goes downto lower views than our channel
.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Like, no joke, Like how low A Daily Wire?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
show getting lower views than us, like no joke.
Like how low you a Daily Wireshow getting lower views than us
, like embarrassingly bad.
But even this new girl theyjust hired what was that girl
that you just brought?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
up Isabel Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Isabel Brown gets the same views we get, like our
show is in contention with showsthat the Daily Wire is picking
up.
It's kind of bizarre.
It's very strange, so theythought they could just replace
it.
What I'm trying to say is lifesite is personality driven.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It is a very specific group of people that enjoy that
content.
They love bishop strickland.
I mean, if you would ask mename one person, a life site
other than john henry weston, Iwould have said kennedy hall
three or four years ago, rightfor a couple of articles.
Well, I know a few of thereporters yeah, but I wouldn't
have been able to name them.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Right, they're not like the face of the thing, so
it's I don't know.
I don't know they're going tohave to find like everything now
is so personality driven.
It's not about putting out goodnews stories necessarily.
It's like I like Edward Penton,so I read Edward Penton.
Good news stories necessarily.
It's like I I like edwardpenton, so I read edward penton.
(15:50):
I don't just read genericcatholic news anymore, I don't.
It's, it's like you.
Everything is personalitydriven now so I don't know what
they're going to do seems kindof a strange move for me.
I don't know.
I and especially since theycould have probably done it
amicably like you, can't justrelease a press statement like
this, like the press statementthey released, the way they went
about it, this is, this is howthey, this is what they release.
(16:12):
Hang on, where is it?
I?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
don't know.
It's in the list of 40 thingsyou sent me today all right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Life site announces that john henry weston is no
longer ceo and editor-in-chieffollowing a recent board vote.
He is now in a well-earnedsabbatical, spending valuable
time with his family.
We acknowledge the significantonline speculation surrounding
this decision, but wish toclarify that much of it is
inaccurate.
The board's decision was madeafter careful consideration,
extensive prayer and acommitment to best serve our
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donors, readers and employees,guided by numerous factors
aligned with our mission, and acommitment to best serve our
donors, readers and employees,guided by numerous factors
aligned with our mission and acommitment to best serve our
donors, readers and employeesguide by guided by numerous
factors aligned with our mission.
We express our heartfeltgratitude to John Henry for his
many years of dedicated serviceto life site news and the
pro-life cause.
We wish him well during hissabbatical and ask for continued
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prayers for our organization aswe move forward.
I texted him.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He's calling it a sabbatical is kind of wild.
It makes it sound like he'sdying, it's just, instead of
being fired.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Look, john Henry was good to us, so I'm not.
You know I am.
If he gets on his own feet, I'mgoing to help him out.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, not that he needs our help.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Mike Lewis saying who is that YG Nightstorm should be
interim CEO.
I don't know that name.
So I mean, like I said, none ofthis matters.
Like John Henry was the like.
The thing is he'll go and startthe John Henry Weston show and
it will be the size of LifeSiteNews because he's going to take
his audience with him andLifeSite is going to plummet.
Wasn't that show name life siteso life site got banned from
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youtube years ago right, theymight.
Oh, they own it, they might theyprobably own it, just like
candace owens, like like shedidn't own her show name, just
like brett cooper didn't own thecomments section.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It's possible.
I don't know, because he waslike co-founder, so it's like he
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probably never thoughtsomething like this could happen
.
So yeah, I don't know, it's abig deal.
So, all right, well, ourprayers go with John Henry.
I don't know what LifeSite isthinking.
They'd have been better offstarting a new venture and just
leaving him to take over overthere, I guess.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
But I mean the fact that they mentioned donors.
Clearly, I mean all these.
You know, all theseorganizations are really run by
whoever's donating the mostmoney.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
So I bet you they're gonna lose all of their donors
without John Henry.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It's one of those things.
So when I worked for anonprofit it was a symphony
orchestra, right, like yeah,ticket sales and stuff were
important.
We could have not sold a singleticket to two shows and still
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been just fine because ofendowments from rich
millionaires who had died 10, 20years ago and like we were
written into their perpetualendowment.
So you know, there areorganizations like that that
literally one or two donors youknow provide like 80, 90 of the
what do you think of this?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You should think out loud what might cause donors to
freak out.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I can't say that on this side of the show.
I could say that over in localsyou think so I mean think of
what happened with our friendsacross the pond.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Wow, man, holy cow, they're everywhere.
Wow, man, holy cow, they'reeverywhere.
They're everywhere.
I don't know what to do not yet, guys not yet.
Yeah, we'll do it on localscome on alright, let's do it on
the locals we'll do it on locals.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
We got a lot to cover tonight.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Go deeper tunnels, kale all right, stop, stop, stop
, stop.
That's not this youtube rob.
What's going on?
What's the matter with you?
Um, all right, let's do fatherlong and eckers tweet let's
bring that okay, that's only 30messages back um.
Okay, I got it on my end.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Oh great, you got it, do you?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
know how to share your screen.
I do, but I leave that to you,you're better Okay.
Father Dwight Longenecker, whohas me blocked, and I don't know
why I like him.
I think I'm blocked too, butI'll be honest.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't really like him.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I don't think he blocked me because he doesn't
like me.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I think you know, like you think, those are
obnoxious related, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think some people are annoying, but I still like
them.
I'm weird, though, so who knows?
Uh, all right so but I do likeyou.
I don't.
I don't think father longneckermeant this in the way I took it
.
So if you were to travel backto an ordinary catholic mass in
the 1950s, it would not be verymuch like the highly ornate,
beautiful aesthetictraditionalism of today that
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that first tweet, I don't evenget it because, like my tlm is
not highly ornate no, it's in anugly.
Novice ordo church I went to achurch in the round yeah, I went
.
It's very similar.
It's like half in the round alow mass that I went to on
sunday and I I actually like theless ornate, quiet low mass.
I prefer low masses too, to behonest.
I prefer it like it's, and I Iactually like the less ornate,
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quiet low mass.
I prefer low masses too, to behonest, I prefer it like it's
silent.
I was able to pray and likegather my thoughts from what the
old timers tell us.
It was a matter of father offinnegan strolling out and
mumbling through his mask asquickly as possible while the
faithful knelt and said andprayed the rosary.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I just want to point out that's his ex-Anglican
English hatred of Irish, rightthere.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So Father O'Finnegan strolling out, mumbling through
the mass as quickly as possiblewhile the faithful knelt and
prayed the rosary.
Meanwhile, the altar boys werebetting if Father could set a
new speed record.
This freaking phrase,specifically, has been on repeat
.
It's the only criticism I haveever seen of the pre-conciliar
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liturgy.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I have never seen another criticism of the
pre-conciliar liturgy nor, norhave I ever seen any evidence
supporting any of what he justsaid so so like.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So my response was uh , oh man, why did it screenshot
that?
It's got that stupid thing overit.
I can't what.
Oh, there it goes, never mindfrom what the old timers tell us
.
You mean the revolutionarieswho destroyed what was handed
down to them.
I'll still take the leastornate low mass with
parishioners who pray the rosaryof the nova sordo, but you had
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said something I I should haveput your tweet in because you
said I can, I can find my own,yeah, find yours, because you.
You're talking about beinghearsay, like it's not even oh
yeah, so I?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I that was a reply like 20 replies down, but no,
it's exactly hearsay.
Um, the tweet that I, that Itweeted was more like you, you
know, you have, you have someoneto say that they're like, oh
well, did you see any, anymasses like that, you know, and
obviously they're too young,like no, but they're like oh
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well, they told me I can't seeany any like actual statements
from primary sources that youknow that of someone who saw
that.
No, but my, my, my aunt ethel,told me once, your aunt ethel,
who was like eight at the timeand like, come on, they never
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can actually show any of whatthey claim.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
So eric sammons wrote uh, when I was working in
florida diocese dominated by uh,boomer era cath, I noticed that
every story I heard from themabout the bad old days of
pre-Vatican II Catholicismsounded eerily the same, down to
even the exact same phrasing.
At times it was clearly a signof brainwashing.
Some of them weren't even oldenough to remember much of the
50s Catholicism, but they wouldassure me they experienced how
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bad it was and how I was tooyoung to understand.
Once that brainwash narrativegoes away with the next
generation, we'll be fully ableto move forward.
Now this is like almost exactlywhat happened when my dad
watched my show when we werecriticizing the boomers the
other day, and he said to mehe's like I remember the latin
mass.
It was all stuffy and wecouldn't even understand what
was going on.
Remember, and it was like youjust said the same exact thing
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that you were told to say.
Like you were told to say thatand you and you like registered
it in and it's stuck with you,and like you're just repeating
the thing they told you to say,because they all say the same
thing, and like they show howignorant they are about the TLM
when they say that.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Because what do you mean Mumbling the mass is, sid
quietly, you cannot hear thepriest anyways.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, yeah, mass is said quietly.
You cannot hear the priestanyways.
Yeah, yeah, it's so strange.
Like you don't know if hislatin was right.
You didn't speak latin anyway.
How do you know if he wasmumbling?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
it.
We didn't know what they mean.
Did you not know how to readenglish?
Because, like latin english,missiles were all over the place
it's also the era of the, theuh.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like the, the radio is invented in.
Like the.
What the when is invented in.
Like the.
What the when is the radioinvented.
Like the early twenties.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Dude, it's invented by an Italian and you don't even
know when it's invented.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I know it's like the early 1900s, Like where you, but
where you start getting likereal radio programs and like I
mean in America, the radio wasin almost every household by
like the 30s by like late, youknow 1920s, 1930s.
Now by the time the 50s comes,now you have the television and
the television is this magic boxthat beams programming into
your home.
It was like this new tool forbrainwashing people.
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Commercial radio is the 30s,okay, so that's when you get
like little orphan annie andthings like that, and and then
you get the television comes in.
Like this new tool that theycome out with is this mass
propaganda tool and they use itto brainwash an entire
generation into just completelyupending everything and thinking
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they needed a culturalrevolution.
But it's so good that they makethem think it's a grassroots
thing, but they're manipulatingthe whole thing the entire time.
We saw it happen with the BLmriots and stuff like that.
Like every single thing ismanipulated there's money that
goes into the protests andthere's money that goes into
everything, but they all thinkit's this.
Yeah, we're a generation ofrevolution.
This revolution carries on intothe council and and that same
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propaganda machine that they useon the culture, they use on the
same people that are going intothe council and everybody comes
out spewing the same stuff andit's it.
This whole thing neuters thechurch, dismantles sexual ethics
and destroys the family.
Everything is like intended toupend christian society and it
just happened and it's stillhappening today.
And even like these wars thatwe're having between the, the
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trads and the novice ordos andstuff like that.
Like half of it's manufacturedon social media.
You go to a parish and youdon't see that on the ground.
It's just.
You know, we're over herearguing for it because we're
fighting with bots.
Um, the church was growing inthe us during the 40s and 50s.
Bishop fulton sheen was on, uhon, if not the most popular
public figure, one of, if notthe most popular public figure,
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one of, if not the most popularfigure on TV.
Their catchphrases are copes tojustify the radical change.
You can't separate the massivecultural change that comes in,
apart from the technology thatcomes into play.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And it's the same thing with the internet.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
We're dealing with the same thing right now.
We're about to come up onanother cultural revolution and
they're using the new technologythat's being fed to feed this
revolution.
And we're all going to thinkbecause I was talking about this
with my, my cousin, last nightjust how, getting into the same
conversation we always do about,like, the next generation not
being able to afford housing,like, so I mean, this could feed
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into the 32 year old video youwant to throw that on.
It's a good segue, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Are we done with this part yet?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, it's just?
No, I guess not.
Yeah, it's.
It's just the same tired copethat we always hear from the
same people that argue againstthe traditional liturgy.
It's like I have seen on theground, like I spent my life in
the Novus Ordo.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Don't tell me, Because people will say like, oh
, like my parents, my parents,aunts, uncles, they're all
boomers who if they go to mass,you know it's nominal at best,
and they all thought they wereraised in a catholic school and
you know, and they have all thestories about nuns beating them
and they had to go to publicschool for science because no
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one at the catholic school.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Even the nuns beat us .
I don't believe any of you.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I don't believe the nuns beat you guys, I think
you're liars and you know whatsomebody told you the nuns hit
you and you just view thatnonsense if they did good, they
should have hit you harder andlike I don't like you, really
like grown men complaining.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
The nuns hit you, stop it.
My mom hit me all the time whenI was younger.
I never hurt.
I used to laugh at her.
She gets so mad well it's, it'slike.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
It's like the light version of the, the residential
school story in canada, and the,the babies and the septic tank
in ireland, and how they haveproven to be 100 false each and
every time.
So you know what you dying oldboomer, I don't care if the nuns
hit you anything, I just don'tbelieve you yeah, cal, more
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hearsay.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Your classmates got hit.
You didn't though, right?
Yeah, sure no, they came outand they told you they did what
happened.
The nun smacked them on thehand with the ruler knock it off
.
Can you guys stop?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
well, that stuff was happening in public schools too.
You know what I seriously getover it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
What's the matter with everybody?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
oh, the nun hit me.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh, cameron's on her show.
Look at this guy, cameron, I'dlove to get you on and just hang
one night.
I know we were kind of cut outof the whole cool, cool track it
would actually be interestingto go back when the documentary
was made, but it'd beinteresting to hear his take on
this subject actually yeah, it'sjust he's seen any actual
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evidence of of the claims Ithink I just think it's so
bizarre that, like becausethere's the same catchphrases
that you hear over and over,like even the like, everything
we're saying the nuns hit us allthis like I don't think any of
this stuff happened.
And the reason I don't think itis because when they tell me
that a the residential schoolthing in canada happened was,
and then you find out it'snonsense you hear about the
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irish, the stories over inireland, and you find that, nah,
that's nonsense too.
Like how much of the stuff youwere told about the horrible
state of the church before thecouncil is just propaganda that
you were fed through through tv.
So like 100 right.
So me and my wife watched thisseries about these.
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It was about an Irish, theseIrish nuns who were dealing with
children being adopted, andthis woman she was a teenage
girl and she got pregnant andshe went to the nuns for help
and they basically adopted herchild away and told her her
child died.
And I'm like we watched thisthing and I'm just like my
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wife's, like this is horrible,did this happen?
I'm like this didn't happen,this didn't happen.
Like we're watching somethingto make us angry at something
that never happened.
It's like all of it.
It's just just anti-Catholicpropaganda.
I don't believe any of it.
It's just just anti-Catholicpropaganda.
I don't believe any of it.
And it's all going to come backto those donors pressure people
.
It's just, I just think.
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I just think all of it isnonsense.
Like I don't see any evidenceof I.
I I grew up in the Novus Ordo.
I went to two Novus Ordo masseslast month because I had to.
I know what it is.
You guys can't fool me.
I'm not like some rad trad whogrew up in the sspx and I just
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like I know what it is.
I know, I spent a lot of timethere.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Like I was an altar boy.
I went through ccd yeah, likedon't try to net.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I went to the steubenville conferences.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I know guys it's not good, like stop it.
I know it's like man, we'regonna get into it.
Set up a con, they said, andstuff with that eric mccabe guy
too.
It's just, uh, why did I go tothe novus ordo?
Um, I I'm not, like, I don'tthink, like the novus ordo isn't
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the mass I don't know.
Like, if I have to go, I'll go.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I don't like it, but I will like um anthony knows
what he was talking about,because he was beat by novus
ordo no traditional nuns everhit me.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'll tell you that I don't know man.
I just don't believe any of it.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Maybe some of it did happen, and I'm just jaded and
cynical at this point, but Ijust like the one piece of
evidence they ever show right ofthe bad TLMs is the Kennedy
funeral.
Evidence they ever show rightof of the bad tlms is the
kennedy funeral.
It's like oh you're so, you'retelling me that that a cardinal
who, who went to vatican to andprobably was one of the
revolutionaries, said a badlatin mass.
Oh well, yeah, of course he didcome on yeah, what did what
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actually?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I've never actually watched that video.
What is so bad about it?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
he can't pronounce latin he can't say Latin at all.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Now, if a priest's Latin is, I don't even care.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I know what you're going to.
People were saying that itcould invalidate the Mass.
I looked it up and St Thomasdoes talk about how if the
priest says the word in such away where it cannot be
understood as the word you know,as the words of like
consecration, yeah, it couldinvalidate the mass.
Like if they're changing likethe prefix of the word in latin
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right and saying like motherinstead of father, yeah that,
yeah, that invalidates the Mass.
If they're putting like thewrong suffixes and declinations
and stuff, that doesn'tinvalidate the Mass.
They're also reading out of theMissal Reading the card that's
right in front of them.
Right, it's like all right.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
so you mispronounce something.
It's not the same thing as,like changing the words of
consecration, like you canmispronounce something.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I the words of consecration.
Like you can mispronouncesomething I've literally seen
and heard novus ordo priest adlib consecration.
So you know what.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'm not all that worried about some yeah, I'm
tired of hearing like there waslook okay, so there was like a
push for a liturgical reformbecause maybe things were
getting a little stale.
I'll give you that like, yeah,okay.
So I gotta be honest, Isometimes I go to a high mass
and it's an hour and 40 minutesand I'm like I wish we kind of
got one of those speedy mumblethrough the mass and got me out
there quicker.
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Like I'm not.
I'm not so averse to a 40minute mass, it's not.
I'm not like I'm okay with a 40minute, I'm okay with a 35
minute novus ordo daily mass,like it's okay, that's another
thing.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Like like everyone who says oh, half hour low
masses, you guys never gone todaily mass daily mass is 35
minutes of music.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's nothing.
You just go, you're one reading.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Nope, you know, maybe a sentence or two for a homily
like that hasn't changed.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Give me a break and it's like, and it's like you
actually like that, like whocome on listen?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
like, like obviously we don't want the mass to be a
little quicker, come on Iunderstand a high mass with a
beautiful choir obviously is ismore pleasing to god.
Right, I I understand that.
But if, if, like, if we'retalking simply about preferences
which you know, everyone saysour t, the tlm, is just our
preference, it's like no, it'stheologically just better.
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But if we were talking aboutpreferences, I don't need to sit
through some choir chanting thegloria.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I really don't, or the creator, just give me the
low I'm gonna show you exactlywhat the problem is with what
we're talking about and playthis video.
I just sent it play this videobecause this is this is what I'm
talking about.
Let's play this.
This is what we're talkingabout, right here what's with
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the circus organ?
We don't have to play the wholething, but andrea bocelli
singing the Ave Maria Beautiful,beautiful.
He's in beach clothes.
He's not the only one, everysingle person there is in beach
clothes.
You look at the woman.
The woman's wearing a tank topand shorts and it's like there
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comes a certain point where youhave to say there's something so
informal about the Novus Ordothat you feel normal going in
your beach clothes to it, butthere's something so
transcendent about the LatinMass that you wouldn't dare go
in wearing beach clothes.
And it's not just becauseyou'll be looked at.
You feel like you're going tosomething formal.
(37:25):
You feel like you're going tosomething otherworldly.
I'm just literally going to sayotherworldly.
The liturgy itself is soinformal that people will go in
their pajama.
Now, look, I've gone to a Latin, daily Latin mass where I'm
going from work and I'm in mywork clothes, but you feel out
of place, like you don't, youdon't, and it's also a daily
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mass, it's not a Sunday mass,it's like.
But the liturgy itself is thisinformal.
Hey, mass, it's like.
But the liturgy itself is thisinformal.
Hey, we're just coming togetherfor a meal.
Everybody just let's shakehands and let's get to meet each
other.
It's like it doesn't, itdoesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't
display what it claims to be,which is where heaven meets
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earth, the holy sacrifice ofcalvary.
It just doesn't engender thatin any way whatsoever.
So I mean you can't and andit's like, and they're not even
like dressed that bad.
Those people like they'redressed in nice shorts and
better than most novus ordomasks.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Like like I've seen girls in yoga pants and tank
tops and it's like, like it'sjust baffling to me that people
can't see.
I see it, I see it.
Don't tell me my eyes aren'tseeing what I'm seeing.
I see it, mm-hmm, um, yes, it'sa protestant way of worship.
(38:49):
Of course, it is like it justis um.
Could you have john farrell?
from annulment proof on the show.
No, absolutely not.
I don't even know who he is, Ijust know, uh, everybody keeps
bugging us.
I really don't know who he is.
Uh, yeah, no, that's whatthey're telling me.
Don't believe your lying eyes.
Don't believe your lying eyes,like I, I know, I see it every
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week yoga pants every week.
It's the same thing and it'sjust.
You see, people go receivecommunion.
They rush out the door.
It's just and it's not.
I'm not even knocking thepeople because they it's not
like, like.
It's really not the peoplewearing the clothes that are the
problem, it's the liturgyitself tells them it's totally
fine to do and there's no reasonfor them to think otherwise.
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It's like people really arejust going, they want to get in,
they want to get out.
They just want to go do that,you know, so they can say they
fulfilled this on the obligationand get it over with it.
Kind of just, is that, I don'tknow.
All right, we'll just be seenas the evil, evil trads who hate
the nova sordo.
I guess, what are you gonna do?
(39:54):
All right, we got 20 minutesleft.
I want to do two clips.
I want to do this crazy broad,hit the button, so you know it's
a segment change.
I want.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
All right, so I know, so you know yeah, we never have
videos of women when they arebeing sane.
So you can't say we want toplay the clip of the crazy broad
, because all women are.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
There are clips of crazy broad, don't exactly do
much to elevate women on thisshow.
I will say that is correct.
We'll have to do a segment on,like a positive segment on women
soon.
Hold your breath, guys, it'llbe soon.
I promise Not that soon, butit'll be soon.
I promise not that soon, butit'll be soon.
Stop it, I don't like being onby myself.
All right, let's get this.
Let's get this crazy crazy ladyon.
(40:36):
I'm fairly certain this videois a troll, right?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
with the point.
Will that stop?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
us from talking about it?
Absolutely no, because it spursa conversation on.
I'm fairly certain the video isfake.
I mean I, I mean I can'tbelieve this woman is this nuts.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
It's a good thing, you guys, that Anthony doesn't
know how to make fake AI videos,because instead of us talking
about his tweets all day, we'dbe talking about fake videos he
made all day.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
So the video itself could be fake, but it doesn't
change what my thoughts on itare, because there are mothers
doing this, maybe not thisexplicitly, but I know
personally mothers who encouragetheir children to have sex out
of wedlock in their teens, like,I actually know people who are
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doing it and I think it's nuts.
I actually know people who aredoing it and I think it's nuts.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
My 14 year old is officially pregnant and having a
child, before you guys come forme.
She has been in a relationshipsince she was 12 with the same
guy.
He is also 14.
Okay, so I don't want to hearany of that weird stuff.
Okay, so at first I was alittle taken back when she said
that her and her boyfriend weretrying for a baby because she's
14.
And I was like, girl, like youcan't handle a baby at that age.
(41:54):
But she knows, I really lovepuppies and I really love kids.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's clearly things.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
She thinks she's ready and that she's mature and
she's a lot more mature than thekids in her class that she's
been with him for two years andthat they think that they're
ready.
And I brought up the concernlike, hey, you're in school, how
are you supposed to go toschool?
And she said well, mom, youlove kids.
You can watch my baby duringthe day all right, it's clearly
fake, right it's.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
It's clearly a troll.
Why?
Speaker 3 (42:19):
why are we watching this?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
because I have, because it's going to spur on a
conversation.
That's why the point of thesevideos is to spur a conversation
.
I know when we uh like when mywife and I were talking to uh
like friends of ours about ourkids and how we're teaching our
(42:43):
kids abstinence and my daughtersare not on birth control and
things like that Like theylaughed at us.
They laughed at us.
And we are talking about peoplewho buy their teenagers condoms
and give their get theirdaughters on birth control.
I know one mother who's worriedthat her son is same sex
attracted so she is letting himhave girls sleep over and and
(43:03):
giving them alcohol at 15, 16years old, hoping that her son
sleeps with the girl.
Because like this is, this ispsychotic behavior and and this
look there's, I would say, like90 of your average parent right
now like are bringing theirdaughters to get on birth
(43:24):
control going.
Well, you know, you just can'tcontrol what your kids are doing
.
They're just going to dowhatever they want to do.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
They may as well just be safe about it I hold nothing
but but true, true scorn forany parent like that like not
yeah, it's not a lack of respect, it's, it's way deeper than
that.
Like honestly, oh I don't, Ican't even say no, you actually
hate your children.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
You hate your children because, no matter what
you say to them at that point,if you're doing that, you're
saying I'm going to say thisthing to you, but I know you're
not going to listen and you'regoing to go do what you want to
do.
And it's not just that.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
Like I know, there are it would be better for you
to give, give your child crackheroin, right, like you're, like
, you're, you're, you're.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
There are mothers who talk to their teenage daughters
about the boys they've beenwith, and like it's, it's
insanity, like we are living ina time that is so debauched and
disgusting, like I saw um.
There's this protestant womanwho went on um, went on a
podcast with a, a gay guy who,uh, had a.
(44:36):
He had a surrogate child, likethey, you know, they did ivf
with his partner and they had achild.
And it's like we see, like mostof these conversations are
being had by women and they're,they're doing the, the, the
pro-life women's approach, andit's like a child has a right to
(44:59):
their mother and it's like, yes, that's true, as far as it goes
, they do.
Like a child has a right totheir mother.
And, yes, there are babies thatget killed in IVF.
But like they're missing thebigger picture, one that sodomy
is reprehensible, like it'sdisgusting like it's just
reprehensible, right?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
that's first off.
Second off did you see all thebrats today saying, oh uh,
having gay sex is just as likeimmoral as having premarital sex
?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
there should be people they don't understand
natural law whatsoever, likethey don't understand disordered
natural law whatsoever so like,but getting to that disordered
lifestyle, like what you'redoing.
When you bring a child into that, you are giving them zero
chance at a healthy monogamousrelationship for the rest of
their life like almost a zerochance.
(45:48):
Like, unless they have like atrue conversion to christ,
because what you're doing isyou're bringing a child into an
environment that is sodisordered that you're, you're,
you're basically setting up withthis mother in this troll video
is doing for whatever kid youbring into that, because you're
setting sex up as like it's justthis thing for pleasure, go do
with whoever you want.
And they're encouraging thesekids to experiment in wild and
(46:12):
insane ways.
Because every one of thesepeople are activists and they
want to parade their lgb,whatever kid around as if it's a
toy, like they're allmunchausen syndrome by proxy
lunatics, all of them there willbe studies done in the future
on like what the hell happenedto these couple generations of
(46:35):
women that literally made themall clinically insane I, I, I
think maybe that will happen,but it'll be far too late by
then.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But I think oh no, yeah, it's gonna be like 200
years far too late by then,right.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
But I think it's going to be like 200 years, far
too late by then, right.
But I really do think this hasa lot to do with even allowing
women to have theseconversations in the pro-life
movement, like it's it's soworried about, like saying the
real issue that's happening, andit's like like yeah, ivf is
gross because it commodifieskids.
That's like a little tinysegment.
(47:10):
It's like you're going to put achild with two men who do the
most disgusting act imaginable.
Like how can you, how can we asa society be OK with this?
It's so insane.
Yeah, I don't know, I don't, Idon't, I don't know how that
conversation gets changed.
I don't know, because I I'mtelling I like I've watched a
(47:31):
couple of these episodes andlike I I'm not even knocking the
woman who had the conversation,cause it is very difficult to
have a conversation withsomebody when you're telling
them what they do is wrong,right, like it's not.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
And I think that's the only way.
I think that's the only thingwe can do.
We, I mean, and we're going tolose friends.
Like we got to start shamingpeople, dude.
Yeah, Well, look, I don't careif you've been my family friend
for forever.
You did what.
You talk about what with yourdaughter?
No, fuck off, I don't want youaround my family anymore.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
You don't get to be around my kids, you disgusting
pervert.
It's something.
It's just something's got tochange in the conversation
because it's getting so out ofhand.
I have a.
I have a uh, somebody I wasspeaking to recently who
struggled with same-sexattraction and they and like
they had like a total conversionand now they're sorry for
swearing everyone.
Yeah, I, I think it was just a,it wasn't like you were yeah,
(48:29):
it wasn't like a tim gordonswear for the sake of swearing,
I think you were.
I think you were just a.
It wasn't like you were.
Yeah, it wasn't like a timgordon swear for the sake of
swearing, I think you were.
I think you were just welled upwith emotion at the moment.
But, um, I, uh, I I have.
I have somebody I spoke withrecently who, like, got out of
that lifestyle and I'm trying tobe vague because I don't want
to say who it was but, um, theynow work, um, they, they now
(48:50):
work in in the field of, um,like, counseling, and he was.
He was going through thistraining for the counseling and
in the training program, the,the, the trainer brought up Pope
Francis and fiducia supplicantsand he went nuts and he's like,
(49:12):
like it, just, it justcompletely set him off.
He's like you have no idea howenraging it was to sit there and
listen to this person tell mehow like I'm.
I'm going through this trainingprogram on counseling and
they're telling me how thechurch is okay with this kind of
stuff.
Now you talk about Jason again,jason and his daughter who can
(49:33):
only put up 135 pounds.
I'm kidding, I'm only kidding.
Yeah, it's just I, I'm, I don'tknow I it just gets harder and
harder to watch theseconversations happening because
they're not being had properly.
And I don't know, I'm notafraid, I don't know if I feel
(49:55):
comfortable having a sit downwith a well-known married gay
man.
I mean I probably would justhave to lose it and just be like
you're disgusting, you're gross, like the fact that
conservatives let a guy likeDave Rubin into the inner circle
, like you people are.
You people have no shame.
Like what are you doing?
How are you?
(50:15):
How are you making him a voicein conservatism?
I saw kale going off aboutJordan Peterson talking to David
French and he's like he's likeJordan Peterson is just like a
slave to his podcast at dailywire now but it's like all right
.
So jordan peterson trying tonormalize david french into
(50:37):
conservative conversations.
But it's like somebodynormalized jordan peterson maybe
I helped with that.
You did him into conservativeconversations because he's
always been a lib and you andthe thing is it.
Things were so crazy when whenthings like 2015 to 2018, things
were so insane that, like a guycoming in and going clean your
(50:57):
room, it was like whoa, he's sodry.
It's like clean your room,stand up straight and that, and
like we all bought it and it'slike that's how bad things were.
The look.
I do think jordan peterson hadsome valuable things to add to
the conversation, but it's likethese are libs who just think
the trans wardrobe was not oneof them.
(51:18):
No, it wasn't, but these are.
These are just like liberals whothink like the gender stuff
went crazy and like any, butlike we, with james lindsey, all
these guys, these are just libswho were like they're just 2012
, libs they're not like thegender stuff went too crazy, so
like they spoke out againstgender stuff and we all thought
like, oh, these are good guysand it's like, no, they're not,
(51:39):
they're not, they're still libs,yeah, and and now we've,
they've, they've trojan horsetheir way into the conservative
movement and now we have theoverton window is shifted so
freaking far at this point it'sjust nuts we're gonna have to
stop playing the game, you know,I mean like we're gonna have to
(52:01):
with the, the structures thatwe have in society today, we
will not be able to get back toa place of sanity.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
You know we're not going to vote our way out of
this.
You're not going to.
It doesn't matter how manyso-called conservatives you get
on your local school board or onyour local city council, or
none of that's going to work.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I think that they're orchestrating another revolution
, though, like I really do.
I think they're manipulatinginto another, because this
current system can't go on theway it is.
God can't allow it to.
It's just too degenerate atthis point.
Right, like God is at a certainpoint of a father.
Like somebody just said, if youspare your child the rod,
(52:51):
you're like right, where didthey put that?
Uh, this, this goes for God aswell.
Like, spare the rod, spoil thechild.
Like God has spared the rod fortoo long.
Like something needs to happenat this point, and it's I was
(53:12):
talking to my cousin last nightabout it it's like okay, so it's
going to be something.
Like the remnants of what aregoing on now will be included.
Just kind of like the RomanEmpire when it collapsed, like
Christianity kind of picked upthe pieces and built something
after.
Like something's got to bebuilt after this.
Like this current thing justcan't continue.
I mean, so it's on its lastgasp and it's spitting on fumes
(53:36):
right now and it's there's notmuch left to it.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
I don't know when that happens or how soon, but
well, it was like the, the, thepolitical order a hundred, 110
years ago, right going intoworld war one.
I mean, it was on its last gas,the world order that had been
built at the end of theNapoleonic Wars.
It barely survived therevolutions of 1848.
(54:00):
Somehow survived that.
Then you had the Italianunification and the German
unification, but it was on itslast, last legs.
They're going into into the1910s and, and every country
felt it, every country washungry for, for war, right, they
, they were ecstatic when worldwar one finally kicked off.
(54:22):
You know, there they were, theywere ecstatic, there was
parades, there were celebrations, the, the, you know, they were
ready for that world to end andit did.
Obviously, I mean World War.
I was like a European suicide,it was a suicide of Christendom,
basically, right.
And you had the US come in andyou had the US kick out the
(54:44):
Habsburgs, and you had Germanyworking to overthrow the Tsar,
and then, of course, we workedto overthrow the Kaiser, you
know.
And then you had this hollowshell of Europe that limped
along until, you know, somecertain peoples tried to.
Tried to bring some pride backto their nation right and did so
(55:08):
maybe in very poor ways, maybesome poor decision but what I
mean world war ii was was anattempt, was an attempt by both
sides by one side to finish whathad been started and by the
other to rectify something rightnow.
Now you, the, the germans anditalians, they weren't wanting
(55:29):
necessarily to get back to, tochristianity, obviously yeah,
yeah, it was a secular movement.
Right it was.
It was a secular nationalism,um, which is is can be very
dangerous, but, but they weretrying to write the right to
rectify what they saw were thewrongs.
Yeah, and now look at the worldwe're living in now.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
I think something's going to happen.
I see Trump is now on boardwith oh, we've got to get
Ukraine more weapons.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
It's like dude, what you were the guy telling us
you'd have this thing wrapped upon day one.
Now you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
We've got to get more money to Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
While he berates us for why we're still asking about
Epstein.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Oh man, People are still on the Trump train.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I don't get you guys, I don't get it either.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I don't get you guys.
I don't know.
You guys are still going to tryand convince me that Trump is
the guy we voted for.
Stop it, you guys are all outof your minds.
All right, we're going to go.
Look when I tell you I have alot to say.
(56:38):
We are going to get into thereal Eric McCabe.
I think I put a teaser in there, right, Rob?
Put a teaser.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
What do you mean?
You put a teaser.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
I wrote teaser for locals.
I put teaser for locals.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
The list of things you sent me is this long.
You want me to find the onethat says teaser.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, it's a video and I wrote teaser for locals.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
Is it the one with Sede Picante?
Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, it's right under that.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
Give me a second yeah .
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Amnesty's coming.
Oh, here's.
You got it right.
So this is the teaser, guys,this is what we're going to get
into anytime, anywhere, dudethat's I mean.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
With all due respect, what would we talk about
liturgy?
Street style okay, I'm gonnakill, I'm gonna kill it to
everything but locals.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Wouldn't that be a waste of our time?
This kid picked the fight.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
He picked the fight I was so glad we get to that was
so nice it was so nice.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
Do I have the nice video?
You guys are gonna miss a goodone if you're not a local
subscriber let me, let me geteveryone the link I'm just
telling you guys you're gonnamiss a good one, because I have
quite a bit to say, quite aquite a bit to say if you all
missed the time anthony toldlofton he was gay and should
stop it oh, this is gonna be wayworse than lofton.
(58:14):
oh, this is gonna be worse thanlofton because it didn't have to
be this way.
It didn't have to be.
Why are you going godfather onthis?
It didn't have to be like this.
Like rob.
Can you know what?
Before we go to the other side,just show these people.
I want you to put us, uh, theclip where I wrote us making
light of his initial trolling,and then we'll carry it over to
(58:36):
the other side, cause I want youguys to see my attitude
initially with this, and it wasthis until he crossed the line,
and he crossed the line and hewent a little too far, little
too far, little too far, becausethis was my actual attitude
(58:59):
towards this.
I want to run with you at theTLM.
Poor Eric, I like Eric.
Eric's funny Salmons.
We've been goofing around witheach other a little bit, so yeah
, so the guy's name is Eric andhe sent in a funny super chat
and I was like, oh, I like him,he's funny Salmon's.
We've been goofing around witheach other a little bit, so,
yeah, so the guy's name is Ericand he sent in a funny super
chat and I was like, oh, I likehim, he's funny, Because I
thought he was being funny.
But all right, this is forlocals only because I don't want
people to like Max getting mad.
(59:20):
Negativity.
It's not negativity, I'm not apunching bag.
So
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