August 13, 2025 • 66 mins
When Catholic content creators cross the line, who's left to speak the uncomfortable truth? This raw, unfiltered conversation dives deep into the troubling trend of Catholic women discussing intimate details of their marriages publicly while simultaneously lecturing men about modesty and self-control.
The viral clip featuring Lila Rose sparked intense debate about appropriate boundaries in Catholic discourse. But beneath the surface lies a more fundamental question: Why are married women positioning themselves as authorities on men's struggles? This episode examines the phenomenon of Catholic "e-girls" who use their appearance to build platforms while seemingly contradicting their own messages about objectification. It's narcissism veiled as virtue, and it's pushing many young Catholic men toward more extreme ideologies.
Beyond the online world, we tackle the crisis of modern parenting, where parents push their daughters toward debt-laden college paths for social status rather than preparing them for fulfilling lives as wives and mothers. We offer practical alternatives that preserve femininity while developing useful skills—like esthetician training or at-home businesses that complement rather than compete with family life.
At its core, this conversation reveals a crisis of fatherhood extending from homes to parishes. Men have largely ceded the public arena to women, and reclaiming it requires courage to speak uncomfortable truths. The weight of spiritual leadership placed on men should be terrifying—they are the Christ figure to their families and will answer to God for how they ruled their households.
Have you noticed this troubling trend in Catholic spaces? Join the conversation and share your thoughts on restoring appropriate boundaries in how we discuss faith, family, and relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Satsang with Mooji.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, so listen.
Rob's not here, so I'm going toplay the taffy intro that was
supposed to play.
So this is what should haveplayed if we had Rob here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Did you hear it?
Marriage, sex and intimacy.
In this episode we get real andunfiltered.
What I mean by that is I thinkit's great to talk about how
great sex is.
Okay, now, this is like whereit gets this work.
(01:06):
It's like a hot topic issue.
Let's do it.
Can we all talk about FatherMike Schmitz and how handsome he
is?
I showed him to a girlfriendwho's not Catholic and she's
like wins mass.
Father Mike Schmitz has notbeen named dropped yet in that
way in this show, but I'm gladit's happened All right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That is a grave and dangerous and please stop Taffy
is sick, somebody pay that man.
Please.
I started a tip jar butnobody's chipping in.
But if you guys are fans ofTaffy's intros, I have a tip jar
at the top of my Twitter.
Anything that goes in therewill go to him.
I think somebody gave $1 so far.
(01:52):
I was trying to hope it buildsup a tiny bit so I can hand him
something.
But yeah, man Lila managed toset the internet on fire
yesterday, huh.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah, as soon as I saw that post, I said this is
going to go viral for all thewrong reasons.
I was just like I couldn'tcomprehend.
You know, when you'resexualizing the clergy, I mean
there's being a gooner andthere's being a turbo gooner,
and that is anytime somebodytalks about the clergy like that
, I'm just, I'm sitting there, Iwho.
Who allowed this to be first ofall recorded and then posted
(02:25):
and edited in that specificsequence is just imprudent.
Let's just put it in acharitable way it's imprudent.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was strange because they're talking about
how, like sexualization and howmen are not animals, and then
they act like animals in thebeginning and it's like I don't
know man.
It's just the whole.
We're going to play the actualclip that she put together, but
it's one thing that she did withFather Mike at the beginning.
(02:55):
But there's just something soimmodest about women publicly
sharing details of theirintimate lives with their
husbands.
Like I just find it extra Idon't know if I like that Like
there's something so off puttingto me about just women.
(03:19):
Look, I think that there'sprobably a place where girls can
talk about this stuff, if it'sjust girls.
But Lila puts that out on herTwitter and it blows up.
There's like eight millionviews on it and you have these
two women just talking abouttheir intimate lives with their
husband.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
It was just so awful in my opinion it's already a
problem that women are in thiskind of public facing position
and not fully taking care oftheir families.
There are very few women, veryfew men too, but especially few
women that should be talkingabout these things, and the
women that should be are oftentaking care of their
well-ordered families.
I was talking about this withmy wife the other day.
(03:58):
I said there really only shouldbe, you know, nuns and sisters
and you know women that havetaken that kind of vocation
speaking publicly on such topics, because they could probably do
so with much more prudence andvirtue.
Versus it just kind of soundinglike girls getting a cocktail
and talking all kinds ofretardation about a priest
(04:20):
publicly on that kind of aplatform.
You just start and you juststart to imagine, like, what are
their home lives really like iftheir husbands are permitting
this type of like discourse in apublic fashion?
It's just scandalous dude it it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It takes another turn when your wife is the sole
breadwinner, like in Lila'ssituation, right, like Lila's,
making half a million dollars ayear running live action.
So now, a year running liveaction.
So now, even if her husband hassomething to say, because I'll
even tell you this like, cominginto tonight's show, my wife saw
the thumbnail.
She's like why are you?
She's like, why are you gonnabe talking about something?
I'm like be quiet, like don'twatch my show.
(04:56):
Like you know, like I don'tunderstand why you even like
this is just something I have todo, you know.
And there's something reallydisordered in when the woman is
the one so Lila, as as muchblowback as she got, it's
actually beneficial to her toget that kind of blowback and it
opens their husbands up toridicule publicly.
(05:18):
And I just don't understand awoman that would want to open
her husband up to that kind ofridicule publicly and I just
don't understand a woman thatwould want to open her husband
up to that kind of ridicule.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, I mean, it kind of just in a public way goes to
show that these men are in away kind of purse holders like
you're allowing yourself to bespoken about in such a way.
I don't know their situation ifshe's the primary breadwinner,
but if that's the case, I meanthat's already sort of dysphoric
and disordered in and of itself.
And then on top of that youcompound this with being a
public personality and then notjust sexualizing the clergy in
(05:49):
the case of father mike, butalso talking about sex, like
just women just should not betalking about this in a public
like I would just be somortified if my wife was doing
and then doubling down, and thendoubling down on it too, and
it's like listen, you missed thepoint of like the pushback that
you got completely.
Like nobody's talking about sexbeing a good thing.
(06:10):
It's like you don't need it,okay.
Well, imagine a man, imagineyou and I were sitting here.
You're like yeah, we don't.
You don't need to listen toyour wife.
Like wives, you don't need tobe listened to.
Like we don't need to likecater to your emotions, we don't
need to help you, we don't needto take you out on dates.
You don't need a date, you know, retarded, that would sound
like no guy would even permitsaying that either.
It's a.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's a it's interesting because they're
they're bragging about how theymake their husbands not like I
don't know, it's just, it's just, it's just look.
This is why I always had anissue with people discussing
even the um, the theology of thebody stuff, too publicly,
because I think in some waysthis christopher west kind of
(06:49):
popularized talking about thesekinds of topics and I do think
there's probably some good thatcame from theology, the body and
stuff.
But the idea that it's likecool for women to talk about
orgasms and things like that,it's just such a weird, a weird
(07:10):
thing that has happened sincethat whole and I was trying to
figure out what catholic inc isand I used to think catholic inc
was kind of just like anybodyrelated to catholic answers and
steubenville and anybodyadjacent.
But I don't think that'sactually what it is.
And we did a show last time wetalked about this when they put
that picture up of everybody andwe called it like the longhouse
(07:33):
.
And I'm like like how do youdefine the longhouse?
The Catholic longhouse?
And it's.
I I'm pretty sure it's.
People who see a clip like thatin the creator space know
there's something off with itbut will not call it out or say
something because they want togo on lila's podcast or they
(07:53):
don't want to have somebody inthat arena be upset with them
because they criticize this.
And I think it goes down toeven having a priest at a parish
who wants to put an altar railin for people to kneel for
communion, but they won't dosomething like that because the
Susan in the parish rectory orthe you know they'll get upset
by it.
So the priest doesn't actuallydo what needs to be done because
(08:16):
he's afraid to cause waves withthe women.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, it's odd because it's you know these
people in a way, whether they'redeliberate about it or not.
It's kind of gatekeeping thepopular shows, the, you know
where the majority of thetraffic goes, and I think that's
a large part as to why most ofthe Catholic content you see is
just apologetic slop.
Yeah, you know, and this is whyI appreciate about you know
(08:41):
what you guys are doing.
I'm obviously biased when I'mon the show, but I was listening
this far before I came on thisthe first time, and this is why
I also just don't care how bigmy YouTube channel or my
following grows, because thereis a huge segment of the
Catholic acquiring population,or the Catholic population in
general, that is largely ignored, and that's like these, these
(09:04):
like younger men that likenobody's speaking to, they're
either being told and longhoused in, like you know, atoned
police by these catty womenthat should just be taking care
of their families, or they'rejust being spoken over by these
like apologists that you know goto chat gbt and like schedule
out their, their ex tweets, bro,it's just brutal.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
How awful is that right, like these guys just
scheduling their tweets askingchat gbt, what can I, what can?
And first off, I I thought kindof feel guilty because I think
I did start some of that becauseI kept seeing all the
protestants doing it and liketrolling us with mary stuff.
So I just started leaning intoit and I see a lot of people
(09:45):
doing that now.
So I do feel a little bit badabout starting that, but it is.
It is pretty awful.
The, the, the challenge isalways like what do you do to
not be like everybody else?
Because the, the apologeticslop really is everywhere and
you see the same.
How many times can you debunksola scriptura?
(10:08):
How many times?
Like they're?
They're just the same argumentsrehashed over and over.
Like rob and I have struggledwith this too.
It's like what is our identitynow?
Like we don't.
We really don't want to discussrome at all.
I, I you know, since since leocame in, I don't want to discuss
Rome at all.
I, you know, since Leo came in,I don't want to be the critic of
the hierarchy at all.
You know, let that play out theway it's going to play out.
(10:31):
So what we've been doing isjust kind of picking whatever is
happening in the culture andtrying to talk about that from a
Catholic perspective.
But every once in a whilesomething like this pops up and
it looks like you're beinguncharitable by talking about
this.
But how do you not discusssomething like this when these
are catholic creators and andthey're just in like it was just
(10:57):
so off-putting to me?
I don't know, I have, I have a.
I'm very worried about the nextgeneration and younger men from
what women are putting out onthe internet and how I see men
reacting to it in this revulsionthey have as soon as they see
the things they're putting out.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, well, I think the identity thing on social
media is a bit of like anevolution as you kind of grow
and face.
I mean it's really smart, it'sa prudent thing not to talk
about the hierarchy anymore,just for, like, you know your
own soul and for the souls ofother people that are watching
and you know you don't want tosow that kind of like division,
kind of keeping your opinions toa degree more or less like to
yourself, vocalizing them hereand there.
That's, that's fine.
(11:33):
I love what the show has turnedinto because I think when
discussing this type of thing,you kind of lend a voice to like
the indignant, male rage that alot of these guys are
experiencing and seeing and that, like is nobody.
Am I insane?
Like they feel like they're ina room and like am I the only
one that feels this way?
Am I insane for having thislike reaction of complete, like
revulsion, being repulsed bythis?
(11:53):
It's like no, okay, these otherdudes that I respect actually
feel this way as well, and soit's so necessary and I think
that's, you know, the Catholiccontent creator space.
A lot of these people, first ofall, are called to because they
want to be influencers, and theeasiest way that they can do it
is going about it in this sortof like sloppy, apologetic,
clickbaity type of way.
They don't actually have anidentity.
They don't want to rufflefeathers because they want to
(12:14):
get in with all the the peeps,that catholic and whomever those
people may be, becauseotherwise they don't really have
a message.
Otherwise, who's going tolisten to them?
What are they going tocommunicate?
This of any value?
And so that's why I think youknow, uh, whatever you want to
call your channel, it's not aministry, it's not an apostle
either, is mine?
I'm just a dude that likerambles on a webcam about you
(12:36):
know, masculinity, but it'snecessary because you're kind of
, you're off the beaten path andI'm telling you, man, like the
reach and the impact that guyslike you, rob, you know to a
degree myself, you know, nottrying to sound like prideful or
arrogant is is pretty big.
These young dudes, man, theyreally look to us for some at
least, our opinions or guidance,cause we're like the, we're the
unks, bro, we're the olderbrothers.
So, like nobody's talking aboutthis, it's like, are these
(12:58):
women just going to get freereign to just like, just pop off
with the lips, you know, butyou still see the simps in their
comments defending it, and it'sjust like I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't, man, how did it get to this place where
women can basically say anythingfor attention and just want and
and men would defend it, andlike I.
I have this because I keepseeing and I even saw keith and
um and matt talk about this whenkeith was on matt's show and
(13:32):
there's there's this element ofum, any kind of criticism of
another catholic is uncharitableand like I didn't want to come
on here and start trashing liila, it wasn't even about that.
It's more like an assessment ofwhat is happening in our
culture with e-girls in generalright, because especially
(13:52):
e-girls on the right not one ofthem.
Have you ever seen anunattractive e-girl on the right
?
No, not one right Like none ofthem are unattractive.
So every single one of them areusing their looks to attract
these simps, to get their fanbase, and they purposely.
I mean the whole thing with themass fits.
(14:13):
And then even you have likeisabella moody, who's dropping
the n-word to sound outrageous,and I'm just like, have any of
these women actually offered anyanything valuable to the
conversation?
That that, that that they'renot just like picking off a
minute.
Like there are a couple ofwomen who I respect in this
(14:35):
field, but they're not e-girls.
You know, like you get intosomebody like Jennifer Roback
Morris, who worked with the RuthInstitute to figure out
marriage things like that,catherine Bennett, from Catholic
Unscripted but they're note-girls.
Like this new crop of e-girlsusing their beauty to try and
(14:57):
suck men in and then postingmass fits to basically like,
lure men into theirattractiveness and then they'll
lecture them about pornographyand it's so beyond boggling,
toling to like mind boggling tome.
I don't know how, like how, wego forward with this.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Or or lecturing them on on masculinity, and guys just
eat it up because it's it'skind of an offshoot of the
pornographic culture in a way.
Right, and it's it's, it'snarcissism veiled as virtue,
because these women are likewell, they're Catholicsolics, so
like I'm going to respect her,I'm really going to listen to
her, um, but really it's, it'sreally just a kind of a slightly
more virtuous version of of theonly fans, uh, plague, it's no
(15:36):
different it really is.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's the same and, and especially when you see the
girls who left the only fansworld and then come into this
world and they're doing the sameattention seeking it's.
It's just with their clothes on.
Now, right, and I don't knowI'm, I'm wondering what, like
how do we win this back?
Like Jeff just said it, let mejust say he said men, men have
(16:02):
largely seeded the public arenato women and it's going to take
a concerted effort to win itback.
Now, how do you go about thatwithout seeming like a total
chauvinist and you're just likeshut up women, but like shut up
women, I don't know how tohandle it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I think you said it.
I think there are times wherethe proverbial heavy hand has to
be brought in, and it's whenthings get so far oftentimes the
pendulum really has to bebrought in, and it's when things
get so far, oftentimes thependulum really has to swing
really drastically in theopposite direction.
I'm not saying like becomingmisogynistic or you know, uh,
you know being vicious ormalicious in such a way, but I
think it's going to take somelike serious, consistent
(16:38):
correction and like alsoencouraging us to just stop
listening to them, becausethere's really not much of value
that are coming from these,these female platforms.
Like almost almost nothing iscoming a value that is coming
from there, especially not formen.
Like if these dudes juststopped doing it in real talk,
not even trying to be funny,cause like that's all it is.
They're just.
They're just sort of uh,enamored by the beauty of these
(17:00):
women.
Like what do you get from?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
it.
Like youtube is 80 male right.
So these, these platforms,these women wouldn't have
platforms if it wasn't for menwatching.
But it's.
It's an interesting thingbecause I do think like there
probably needs to be, because mywife will, my wife will be like
working around the house andshe just wants to put something
catholic on that she couldlisten to, and she may not want
(17:29):
to listen to some machomasculinity podcast.
You know what I mean.
So, like I know that there hasto be a space for women to hear
other women and stuff, but Ijust think the direction that
some of them are going is justyou see, the thirst trapping,
like they're trying to get mento come into this space and
they're using their looks to doit and then they're in there
(17:52):
lecturing men about like I don'tdo you think there's any
scenario where a married womanshould be talking about men's
use of pornography?
I, I, I cannot fathom wherethat is acceptable.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
It's not acceptable.
It's very scandalous, even tothe men that are trying to, you
know, trying to improvethemselves, because there's just
a fundamental disconnect.
It's like when a man or womanis trying to tell a man how to
be a man.
It's like, listen, we don't.
Like I don't know if I, youdon't know this, but we don't
have the same parts.
So you don't relate to thestruggle, you don't relate to
manhood, you don't relate to youknow what a man experiences
(18:27):
because of testosterone, becauseof the fact that we have, the
fact that we even have to saythis is is retarded.
That's how much is the shift inthe wrong direction.
It's like now you're talkingabout you're literally talking
about men masturbating topornography and this doesn't
occur to you, that this is a badthing even for you and your
soul.
Like, why are you even talkingabout this?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
and you're a married woman and you're talking about
this and wild, and they haveabsolutely and you're talking
about this, and they haveabsolutely no understanding of
the like what a man struggleswith in that whatsoever.
It's not to say like theremight be women who struggle with
that, but it's nothing likewhat men are are going through.
It's just a place where theyhave no business talking and
(19:07):
they insert themselves into theconversation because of this
urge to be men and it's I don'tknow, man, I'm really having a
hard time.
I'm having a hard time handlingit in a way where you don't
come off like a total a-holewhen you talk about it, but I I
don't know how else to do it,because really it's their
(19:28):
husbands that should be tellingthem hey, you need to draw a
line here and don't do thisanymore.
Like, I'm not comfortable withyou doing that.
But if the husbands are justlike, well, I need the money
she's bringing in from socialmedia influencing and not
actually criticizing it.
Because, look, okay, so Brianholds where.
I actually want to find Brian'stweet, because Brian defended
Lila and I like Brian.
(19:50):
We both like, like, really likeBrian.
So this isn't I want.
I want to kind of use what he,what he said to um to try to see
his perspective on this.
But he said uh, am I the onlyone who thinks Lila Rose was
speaking to a pornified culturethat thinks promiscuity is
necessary when she said mendon't need sex?
(20:13):
I didn't hear anything aboutmarried men surrendering the
conjugal rights, which is whateveryone seems to be accusing
her of.
So that's, that's.
That's what I think people aremisunderstanding, even she
misunderstood in her reply tothis.
I I'm not saying like in youknow, in substance, what she was
saying was wrong.
Like yes, men don't technicallyneed sex.
(20:35):
And the thing is, the priesthoodis actually like the celibate
priesthood is actually thesymbol needed, especially in our
times, to show people that sexis not the thing you need to be
happy, right?
So everybody thinks like sex isthe thing that's going to make
you happy.
Well, celibate priesthood isactually a sign that our eternal
reward is not going to comedown to sex.
(20:57):
It's going to be something muchhigher.
Like they are the trueromantics, the celibate priest,
if they are living a chastecelibate life.
But a married woman talkingabout NFP and her husband her
husband turning her on becausehe has self-condemnation Like
it's just not an appropriateconversation.
(21:19):
That's what the real issue ishere.
It's not about the substance ofwhat she was saying about the
priesthood and men needing it'sjust married women should not be
speaking publicly about thistopic.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yeah, and I nothing about what Brianrian said was
necessarily wrong, I just thinkit was the.
The point was kind of missed,the outrage.
He kind of maybe missed thepoint in terms of, like the
outrage, because there was amixed reaction, like a lot of
people were reacting to the factthat you know, obviously they
were talking about father mikeschmitz, which brian obviously
agreed with us.
That's, it's dumb and it'sretarded, it's degenerate.
Um, but the overarching pointwas I exactly agree with you
(21:51):
it's like, why are women talkingabout this type of thing when
they're married, like a womangoing on there, first of all, I
mean again, not to bash on, notto keep beating the drum of the
father mike schmidt's thing, butit's really bad.
Like she should probably, uh,probably, go to confession for
that.
I'm a scrupulous guy like youshould probably, you should
probably do that.
That's bad to me, that's bad.
And then, on top of that, it'slike you're talking about how
(22:13):
much your husband turns you on.
It's like man, like you forget,there are cameras, there's
cameras on, and then, on top ofthat too, right, the audience of
men that watch that eat thatstuff up.
Right, a lot of these guys.
We live in a fatherlessgeneration.
We already know that.
Feminism, etc.
Gynocentrism.
There's also all these men thathave mommy issues.
So when they they hear a womanstart to talk about this, uh it
almost kind of uh recreates thatmommy issue.
(22:36):
So it just takes off becausethese women are attractive,
they're talking about thingsthat guys want they eat up and
many of these men cannot standcorrection.
They buckle.
Yeah, this is what I do withguys.
I I talk to guys one-on-one allthe time.
I have a men's group, some ofthese guys.
You give them the slightest bitof pushback and they're just as
feminine as a feminine can beand they just they crumble under
(22:58):
it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, they're in the long house, like they're afraid
of women.
They're afraid of us,especially some.
Look, you go to a.
You go to a Latin mass andthere's a lot of guys that are
seeking to be more virtuous andseeking to be, to live a more
trad lifestyle.
But I see a lot of guys beinghenpecked at the latin mass too.
This isn't a novus ordo latinmass thing.
This is a universal culturalissue we're dealing with right
(23:21):
now.
I want I want to jump to acouple of super chats, because
people are super chatting and Idon't want to let them.
I don't want anybody to thinkI'm blowing them off.
Um, just finished the newestshoe on head video.
Now the live stream bashingLila Rose.
A good night down with the Rose, up with the shoe.
Um, let's see, uh, uh.
Big shout out to the channelfruit of the fam.
I don't know that channel.
(23:41):
Um, uh, talking aboutmasculinity, the Knights of
Columbus just isn't discussedanywhere by anyone online.
They really discussed anywhereby anyone online.
They really are just a defunctgroup of boomers who kowtow to
church ladies these days.
That that was my issue with the, with the knights of columbus.
I I tried to join years backand they were all guys over 70
(24:02):
and I was the only like.
I was in my early 30s at thetime and I was just like I don't
fit here.
This isn't you know, I'm notgoing to potluck dinners and
things like that, uh.
And then bobby said uh, the redpill craps on marriage unless
it's to a hot and super holytrad girl.
The e-girls sell them that image.
It's a recipe for simps.
Yeah, not wrong.
(24:22):
Yeah, it's um.
Wait, let me just go live.
Um, yeah, it's I.
I just, you know, I don't, Idon't even want to make this
entire episode, just crapping onthis whole issue, but it's
getting hard, for it's gettinghard to watch this continue and
(24:45):
to see how just discouragedyoung men are getting because
they they're getting this imagethat even the Catholic women are
just feminists, like there's,there's no hope for them.
And I and sometimes I feel likeI managed to scoop up the one
feminine girl left who justdoesn't give me a hard time I
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don't, I don't know what theseyoung guys are going to do, but
when the Catholic women beingpresented before them are acting
like this, they're just goingto be so discouraged and they're
going to fall for the red pillstuff.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
They are.
This is why there's such a needto talk about the red pill
stuff through the lens of thechurch, because a lot of these
natural law observations thatthese guys make the
prescriptions, I mean it's.
It's actualized within thechurch.
I mean it's.
It's the perfect illuminationof the natural law within the
catholic faith.
(25:40):
So why is there not a place forus to talk about these things?
And so, when you get this sortof catholic ink, let's talk
about how guys should date.
It's retarded and it's gay andit doesn't actually work, I
think.
And also, too, a lot of thesemen too.
I mean, there's obviously a bigproblem with these women being
feminists, but there's also justa lack of masculinity too.
(26:00):
This is not about the men,though, thing.
This is a lot of guys that areexpecting these women to be
feminine, but they're not actualleaders themselves too, right.
So the difference is and I'mnot putting us on a pedestal
necessarily, but it's like we'renot afraid to tell a woman no,
we have boundaries Like it'skind of, maybe if it was natural
, maybe it was part of it isnature, or nurture, whatever.
A lot of these guys don't know,and I don't fault them for it,
(26:21):
so they didn't have dads orwhatnot.
So I think there's gotta beguys that fill that gap and
teach these young dudes like hey, this is actually how you talk
to a woman and not be a spurg.
You know, this is wow.
You know, present yourselfphysically in a way where you're
healthy, don't have to be afreaking bodybuilder or whatever
like.
That's not what I'm saying.
Represent yourself in a waythat you know you're showing
that you've got some virtue,you've got some boundaries, you
can speak, you're outspoken, youcan make her laugh.
(26:43):
That's why that clip thatmajorian posted after our stream
yesterday was, uh, me sayingthat, hey, if a guy could just
fill up his t-shirt a little bitmore and make a woman laugh,
most of these guys would bemarried and it's like it's true
man.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think I think the key to a woman's heart is making
her laugh.
I think if you could get a girlto laugh, you're in and if
you're not a fat, disgustingslob, you're gonna do.
Yeah, um, yeah.
You also tweeted today justabout um.
You were like I, because somuch of that conversation wasn't
just uh, what was even in thatclip.
(27:17):
Well, I don't know, should weeven play the clip?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I mean, people probably know by now, but yeah,
it's probably worth playing,it's not that?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
long?
Yeah, because we I think wetend to have this idea that
everybody is on Twitter all day,like us and I don't you know.
They're just not.
So all right, hang on, let'ssee if I can share my screen
here.
All right, so this is the clip.
Let me pull it up.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Can we all talk about Father Mike Schmitz?
I showed him to a girlfriendwho's not catholic.
She's like wins mass.
What about the man needing sex?
That's just a culturalnarrative that basically says
men are like animals and theyhave to be able to do this
sexual thing, otherwise they'regoing to go crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And the reality is there's a whole vocations that
are celibate and these arevirile, yes, but married men,
that is not the vocation foreveryone and that is a very much
a higher calling right.
This is not, you know.
And no, men don't need sex, no,I guess.
But St Paul also says youshould marry so that you're not
(28:22):
burning with lust Like it's.
They're framing it and I knowshe's getting into talking about
the celibate priesthood, butthat is a special vocation and
that is not every man's callingand she's setting it up like
you're an animal, if you're, ifyou have desires as a man, and I
don't think that's even right.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Well, that, and then the whole NFT conversation, I
mean not mean, not to mention, Imean it's.
You can't talk about thepriesthood and relate, you know,
a member of the clergy to amember of the laity, in the
sense that there are obviously,just like you said, it's a
special calling of vocation,there are graces that come with
the office.
So, like these are twodifferent offices, the office of
father, the office of father,in terms of, you know, being a
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priest, are two completelydifferent things, and so to to
compare them, to be the same,just goes to show you that a
woman really does not know thestruggle of the common man,
that's not a priest and this isjust a tone-deaf conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Let's see when does it go for me, men's men.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Some of the most masculine of men I know are
priests.
We need food, we need air tobreathe.
We don't need sex.
It's a gift of coming togethertogether and it's designed to
bring life into the world.
I think the sexiest thing abouta guy is like their
self-control and my husband haslike this is so wrong to say
this.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I'm sorry amazing self-control.
So after baby number, he'sbasically telling everybody like
why are you saying your poorhusband, why are you doing this
to your poor?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
or when we started practicing nfp, it was like we
couldn't do it sometimes when wewanted to, and that kind of
made things a little steamier,like, not gonna lie, it's hard
on him too, don't get me wrong.
People will say well, oh, doyou just do other things for
your husband, like are youinsane to say something like
that publicly come on man, I'mnot, I'm not, I stop gooning
Speaker 2 (30:12):
that's all I gotta say.
Stop gooning gross conversation.
Come on, man, like what are yougirls doing?
Have some like, have some likemodicum of decency to not just
blurt any freaking thing outthat comes to your look.
I understand that we're, we'reon podcasts and you're trying to
fill air time and you're likeyou know we don't want to.
(30:34):
I get that, but, man, I don'tget anybody.
Because there was a while backmy friend Kyle had this couple
on who had, like they were hugeon theology of the body and they
had like a catholic sex toyshop and I was like he caught so
(30:55):
much blowback at his parish hehad to delete the episode and
all this stuff.
And this is kind of what I'mtalking about and it's like
there's so many people who gowho think it's totally normal to
talk about this stuff and eventhe um, like the NFP
conversation that that keepscoming up.
Like there's a degree to which,when I see people having it
(31:21):
like she was just saying, youknow, like making my husband
wait this and that First off,it's a very contraceptive
mindset to have, right, likethey're basically using NFP as
contraception.
But anytime you even talk aboutthis stuff, you're letting an
inkling into your personal lifewith your spouse.
So I've seen people arguing andusing theology of the body to
(31:42):
say that you know there arethings that are allowed as long
as the finishing act is pro-liferight, or you know it's like,
and it's like whatever.
I would never have thatconversation on air because I'm
never letting anybody have aclue what I am, what my wife and
I do privately like.
That's just not a conversationI would ever have with anybody,
regardless of which side of theargument I fell on.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah, the theology this is where I start to
question all these things in away where I'm genuinely
inquisitive, so like when I wenton X and I was like, okay, can
somebody explain, like I'm five,what NFP is, because I don't
understand how you would goabout it without it being a
contraceptive mindset, obviouslyin the case of a woman you know
, potentially dying if she wereto have another kid.
(32:26):
I mean, these are extremecircumstances.
But then also the theology ofthe body stuff, where it's like,
okay, well, I, where you couldgo and you know, for the sake of
it, not the, the episode notbeing struck down, you could go
and lay sod with your wife andthat's totally fine and not
disorder, so long as, like, theend result is unitive and
(32:46):
procreative.
It's like that is insane.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
that is, that's insane and any moral theologian
would literally tell you you'reinsane.
Like this is.
This is crazy, and but even theidea that somebody would speak
about that publicly a marriedperson speak about that publicly
is just like.
Why would you have thatconversation?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I don't understand it well, because you know, women
have largely been unchecked bythis and if you were to take
like kind of a red pillperspective, it's, women are the
gatekeepers of sex, so this isperfect, perfectly permissible
for them to do this andsexualize the clergy and give us
, give us a glimpse into theirbedroom.
But if you flip this on theother side and you were talking
about a nun and how attractive aman found a nun, and then we're
(33:29):
gonna go have theseconversations, it's like what I
find so sexy about my wife isthat they, the guy, would get
blasted, and rightly so, becauseit isn't modest Like I, you
know you, we would allfraternally correct a guy like
that, but all these women arejust like yes, queen slay, and
it's just retarded, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's so, oh man, so I don't know, I'm I'm good.
We're going to end this segmentwith just a plea to Catholic
women who do this stuff onlinePlease stop talking to men about
these things.
This is not your place to havethese conversations.
Let other men have theseconversations with men.
I don't need to see Lila Roseand Amber going off and telling
(34:07):
men how pornography has beenlike.
That is just not your place.
It's.
It's very unbecoming of a womanand I don't know.
I just I just think that you'reall embarrassing your husbands
and I think you owe him a littlebit more respect than you're
showing them.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Yeah, and secondarily to that is uh, you also don't
know how much of an occasion ofsin you might be by just simply
talking about these things.
You know when guys are reallygoing through it and they're
struggling with lust and sins ofthe flesh like that, a woman
just talking about this couldsend them over the edge, I mean.
And that's like a realconsideration to make.
It's like just stop doing it Ifit's not for your husband, do
(34:42):
it for the men that are likelargely watching you trying to
quit this stuff too.
Right, I mean, that's real.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, no, that's why I said like every one of the
conservative e-girls are thesame to me.
They're all using men'sweakness to gain notoriety, to
get to build their platform.
They know exactly what they'redoing and then they're out there
talking about this stuff andit's like it's such a
contradiction.
That's why you don't see anyunattractive conservative girl.
(35:09):
Look, fox News brings thepretty blonde on for a reason
because they know the stupid mensit there and drool over her,
even though she has nothing ofsubstance to offer to the
conversation.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah, that's absolutely it.
It's funny.
I mean, you speak out of twosides of your mouth.
There's so much cognitivedissonance when you're like
preaching about modesty and thenyou're posting a mass fit.
I just I don't understand howthe irony doesn't fall upon you,
or the hypocrisy doesn't fallupon you, to just not do that
anymore.
But I think that's also got todo partly with like kind of the
(35:40):
catechesis that we all kind ofexperience, um, as as well.
You know, if we're all seeinglike trad priests, like dude,
one of the first times I met mypriest he was calling me out on
my tattoos.
I was like thank you, father.
Like man, I've been seekingthis my whole life.
Like thank you, yes, I willcover up.
You want me to wear gloves,I'll wear gloves too.
And he's like no, it's like itkind of goes to show you like
(36:01):
how poorly catechized we've allbeen, not just by our parents
but also by the church, right,like it's a real problem,
dropped the ball on us, um, uh,and this, this is important too,
right?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I think most people think modesty ends with attire
conversation is immodest, whiletelling men to control it.
That's what.
That's what my biggest issuewith this whole thing was.
It's the immodesty of theconversation in public that you
this isn't a women's group.
It's just not like.
It's just not a women's group.
(36:32):
It's a very public conversationthat now is going viral and
it's being critiqued byeverybody out on the like.
You never know what's going togo viral.
You have no idea.
We're all putting stuff outthere every day and every once
in a while something takes off.
But the way that clip wasedited, man, it just seems like
such a total lack ofself-awareness, or just the
(36:53):
reading the room to me.
So I, you know, I'm pleadingwith you women, because you are
my catholic sisters and I don'twant to see any.
I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
I don't want to see you discourage the young men
that I talk to any more than youalready have if you just they
just took this kind of energyand uh, talk to women about
submission and patriarchy, howmuch better would them be, they,
they, would never, no, ofcourse not.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
They would never like .
Honestly, think about that,like, think about if, if they
actually talked about submissionto, to their husbands, instead
of just presenting this girlboss thing and I have to be the
the, the center of every oh man,it's such a oh, you, you, you
(37:41):
catholic women out there, Idon't know what you're going to
do if you're looking for stuffto listen to, because I don't
know the reality of it is a lotof this content.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
If we're not like being prudent and tempered with
how we go about it myselfincluded if we're not like
restrained, we don't think aboutit like this stuff will send us
to hell, yeah.
So like we should have probablyall contemplate that a little
bit harder and bring this to ourconfessors as well, because
that's just that's a good idea,because many of these things
should not be spoken about.
And it's like, if you're nottrying to actually like edify
(38:09):
your audience with you know true, holy things, and you're just,
you know, doing the for clicksor whatever and then doubling
down on it, it's like I just Ifear for your soul.
So like sister, you knowbrother to sister type of thing,
like being real, not just beingmelodramatic, being real.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, this is true too, molly, like women should be
.
It shouldn't be me and yougetting on and telling these
women that this is so wrong.
It should be other womengetting on and telling these
women, like shaming these womenfor like being so immodest on on
air.
You know All right, so we dohave other stuff we're going to
cover.
I got this one, this this girlit's this this girl bugging out
(38:49):
because of her student debt, andI thought it was interesting,
because everybody's ragging onthe girl and I kind of think
that it's the parents more thanthe girls.
So I want to see your take onthis.
Let me see.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
As it turns out, the student loans that I've been
paying $1,500 a month for fortwo years have a 17% interest
rate.
So what I thought I've beenpaying off for all this time,
I'm actually like I owe morethan what I started off with.
What the fuck, so job?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
well, you get the gist right.
So I didn't realize it was.
I should have probably.
Well, you get the gist right,so I didn't realize it was.
I should have probably proofwatched that it's been a couple
of days.
Where's Rob?
Sorry, rob usually does screenmy stuff.
So everybody was giving thisgirl a hard time because she
(39:48):
basically she's been paying herstudent loans for two years,
like 1500 a month, and she owesmore than she borrowed.
And it's like you know, there'sthis whole conversation around
college debt forgiveness andstuff, and but so much of this,
I see, is because of parentsencouraging their daughters
(40:09):
specifically to go off and getthemselves buried in this kind
of debt, and so much of it isnot even about that.
The parents want their daughterto be successful, but they want
to brag on their Facebook aboutwhat their daughter's doing.
So when, um, a couple of monthsback, my, my daughter graduated
(40:29):
, all of her friends did thisthing on Instagram where the
parents would buy a whole bunchof memorabilia from the college
that they're going to and thegirls would lay on their bed
with all the college memorabiliaaround them and the parents
would take pictures and post iton Instagram.
And it was such a debauchedthing that was happening,
(40:49):
because it's like, first off,you just know these girls are
going to get buried in debt,drag that debt into their
families.
But so much of it was justabout these mothers wanting to
tell their friends well, mydaughter's going to this college
, my daughter's going to thiscollege, and meanwhile they're
sending their daughters off togo live some disgusting
(41:10):
lifestyle in college where noneof them have any kind of moral
upbringing, where they're goingto have any kind of defense
against the men who are going toprey on them when they go to
college.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
And so much of this is the parents, in my opinion
yeah, I mean, they're shippingthem off to be dysfunctional men
, so it's ultimately what it is.
And then they're going to goand, you know, lord forbid, get
ran through, and then, by thetime they're past 30, they're
making whatever they're making,still buried in death.
They wonder why they can't finda man.
And then, you know, thedepression sits, sinks in, the
reality sinks in.
And I particularly have a softspot, you know, as you do,
(41:38):
because you've got daughters too.
I look at my two little girlsand like I'm constantly thinking
about their future, like what Iwant them to do I know for sure
I'm not sending them to college, like that's just not, that's
not what's going to happen.
Most of these issues I meaneven the issue that we're just
(42:03):
talking about at the beginninguh, it comes down to just, I
think, poor fatherhood and alack of leadership.
It's what it is this.
This poor girl has been shippedoff.
Her dad doesn't give a ripabout what's going on with her
and her debt situation, didn'twant to pay for her tuition and
then also to compound that justshifts her off to college.
He's probably I mean and I'veseen these videos too, so I
don't want to, you know, accusethis, this woman's father in
particular, but where the manwill buy his daughter.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Contraception, like my goodness me those men should
be put up.
They should be publicly likethat's the most disgusting thing
ever, man, and and and they doit publicly as a virtue signal
like they're doing somethinggood.
But the look that like.
When, when my daughter wasconsidering like what her, what
she's going to go and do likethe first, when my daughter was
(42:38):
considering like what her, whatshe's going to go and do, like,
the first thing I said was youare not going off to get buried
in debt to bring that debt toyour family.
It's not happening.
Like, there's no scenario wherethat's happening.
I'm not even going to send youoff to college where I don't
even have to get to keep an eye.
It's not happening.
So we had to figure somethingelse out for her.
I don even have to get to keepan eye.
(42:59):
It's not happening, so we hadto figure something else out for
her.
I don't understand and and thethe thing is like I saw it.
I saw it in my wife where shefelt like oh, what am I going to
tell people my daughter's doinglike that?
Because, like all the women arelike, and I'm just like, I
don't care, it's, it doesn'tmatter, and that's kind of the
thing we're talking about withwhen the man kind of has to take
(43:20):
a a a a position in somethingand say and he has to say no
sometimes, because I, I think somany men just don't want to say
no to a situation they know isgoing to be terrible, but they
just don't want to make theirwife angry and have the fight.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
Yeah, or their, their extended family.
I mean, this is something thatI've had to face and it really
reveals to you that even, like Imean, many good people don't
realize how covertlyindoctrinated by feminism
they've been.
So like I remember I mean andGod bless her soul, like you
know, my mom was sitting and mymom's an angel.
I love her so much.
So this is not, you know, medisparaging her, but she's like
what are you guys going to bewhen you get older?
(43:59):
Like a doctor or a lawyer?
I said ma, ma, ma, like ma, ma.
I said I love you, like and Iwould never disrespect you, but
they're going to be mothers andwives and she's like kind of
goes that we have to do and whocares?
I mean, eventually, what I'vecome to know too, with not
vaccinating my kids,homeschooling them, my wife
(44:20):
being at home and all this stuff.
Eventually, guys, if you justhold the line, people leave you
alone, and not just they don'tjust leave you alone, they
respect you and then they startto ask questions because they
see how well ordered your lifeis.
What's, by the grace of god?
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I've told this story on air.
I was.
This was.
I think it was at Christmaslast year or maybe the year
before.
My in-laws were all asking mydaughter cause she was coming up
finishing school.
And they're like, oh, what areyou going to go to school for?
What are you going to do?
And she's like I want to be amom.
And they were like, they actedlike she just dropped it.
You can't, what do you mean?
(44:58):
You just want to be that,you're just going to be a mom.
And I was just like, can youall stop feeding feminism to my
daughter right now?
Like my daughter gave the mostamazing answer imaginable and
you're.
And the crazy part was it wasall stay-at-home moms who were
giving.
They're all stay-at-home moms.
My mother-in-law stayed home,my wife stays over.
My wife wasn't adding to this,obviously, but all my
sisters-in-law stayed home.
My wife stays over.
My wife wasn't adding to this,obviously, but all my
(45:19):
sisters-in-law all stay home.
And they're telling my daughterthat she needs to go be the
girl.
And I'm like not one of you didthis.
Why are you pushing this on herwhen all of you were happy
being home?
Speaker 5 (45:29):
And it's because there there's so much media
coming at women these days,telling them like you need to be
able to have your own way toprovide, because when your
husband abandoned you, becausethey all just assume divorce is
coming now, it's a it's a crazything well, the cover color
revolution has largely beenlargely been successful in
indoctrinating people in such away where, like your situation
(45:52):
isn't is one thing and you'rewishing so and I'd like to think
that you know from your family,or from my family, it comes
from a good place, it's notcoming from a evil intention.
You know there's not, there'sno malice there.
I I'd like to think at all.
Maybe I'm naive, but I'mcurious man like how old are
your daughters?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
because you got three kids right, two girls yeah yeah
, my uh 17 and 14 are my girlsand my son's 19, so what are?
Speaker 5 (46:15):
your.
You said that you wereinquiring.
This is I'm just curious.
I don't know.
We don't have to stay on this,but I'm curious with your
daughters, especially one beingclose to college age, like what
is she going to do?
I know she said she wasinquiring about us.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
What are you guys doing?
We put her in an estheticianprogram so she's going to learn
to do like cosmetics, facials,things like that, and I figured
that was something, because I'mokay with her working until she
meets a spouse.
And then I figured, after she'smarried, if she ever had to do
something from home to maybehelp out, maybe, you know, like
a little studio from home orsomething like that, but it's
(46:47):
going to be absolutely no debtinvolved with it, it's going to
be paid off and that's like thatwas the best option I saw, as
opposed to her working in a fastfood place or something like
that, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yeah, and did she feel compelled to do something
like that?
Was that like, hey, I want towork.
Yeah, Like I'm curious CauseI'm like looking into the future
.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I mean my little my girls are so little like four
and two.
So the way I'm, the way I seeit, is, I think that, like
there's situations where,especially if she meets a guy
who's not loaded right andthey're just trying to make ends
meet, I want her to havesomething where she could bring
a little something extra and,like my wife does, uh like and
(47:26):
she doesn't really do it anymorebecause she doesn't need to
anymore, but she did for yearsshe would do infant photography,
so like people would havenewborn infants and she would
take pictures of their newborninfants.
She would take pregnancypictures of the girls, like
maternity pictures and stuff,and for years that helped us
like get by.
You know, it was when, whentimes were hard.
So I think it's good for womento have a little bit of a thing
(47:48):
where, like my wife would takepictures for an hour and then
she'd be able to edit them fromhome, so she didn't have to be
out in the world, like she wasnever working in a workplace or
anything like that.
She was able to do this thingfrom home.
So I think it's okay if womenhave a little bit of a side
hustle that they could do fromtheir house.
It doesn't interfere with theirmother.
You know, being a mother, beinga housewife, things like that.
So I think any guys that havedaughters have to try to like
(48:12):
encourage their daughters to dosomething like that Now.
Hopefully she never needs it,but if she ever had to in a time
of emergency, it would be there.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Yeah, so long as it came secondary to you know.
The vocation of mother and wife, of course.
Yeah, that's interesting.
I know my friend, will Nolan,is no different.
I think his older daughter isworking simply for that reason.
So when she goes into that role, they've got you know money to
bring to the table.
When she goes into that thatrole, they've got you know money
to bring to the table, let'ssay the guy them getting married
(48:40):
young.
It's not, I mean, unless thefamily comes from a loaded
background.
That makes sense.
I wrestle with this all thetime because I can idealize in
my mind all I want when my girlsare really little, and then you
know once the rubber meets theroad.
When they're older it's adifferent story.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, you have to arrange for them to meet
somebody.
But it's to me it was mainlylike the.
The biggest problems I see insociety are anytime women are in
the workplace, where they're ina co-ed environment.
That is a nightmare scenario.
If your daughter, like, if awoman is working for a man, I'm
sorry she's his boss.
(49:23):
The husband is never going tobe her boss, like it's just yeah
, it's just what's going tohappen.
Like if you look up online,there's women will search out
why am I attracted to my boss?
Because your boss is thentaking the role of your husband,
essentially, you know so.
So I I think, um, like my.
And then I have a sister whodoes like, um, she does.
(49:43):
She has like a little hairsalon in her house and she'll do
like she has like a bunch ofgirl clients, she, she, she come
and she, she does hair style,like something like that I think
is acceptable.
You know, I think my wife doingthe photography thing is
acceptable.
It's just women being out inthe workforce I think is just
disastrous for marriages.
I mean, you look at the divorcerate after World War II and
(50:04):
that's not just because no faultdivorce was passed, it's
because women are now in a co-edwork environment and, I'm sorry
, when you put men and womentogether that are not married,
it's just going to happen, andthat is what causes 90% of
divorces.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Yeah, no, that's very prudent.
It was no different with mywife.
We always knew she was going tostay at home.
But then when we moved here,we're building this house and
moving our lives to a completelydifferent place it's like, okay
, well, I've got to rebuild mybusiness and although we're in a
decent position, it was a meansto an end, it was a bridge.
She worked from home, entirelyfrom home, never went to the
office until that point wherethere was that crossover
(50:42):
threshover, like yeah, now youdon't have to do this anymore,
like we're good, don't worryabout it, and praise.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
God, that's exactly what happened with us.
It was like a couple of yearswhere, like it's just, you want
to avoid any kind you don't want, like there's a moral
obligation you have to make sureyour children don't bring
hundreds of thousands of dollarsof debt into their marriage,
and that's for your sons too, Ithink.
(51:08):
Like you know, unless, unlessyour son is going to go for some
specialized thing that makesthe debt he's incurring an
actual investment, I don't seehow you can justify bringing
$200,000 in student debt into amarriage when you still have to
buy a home and homes are insaneat this point.
So I mean, I think the whole,the whole university and college
(51:32):
system is so messed up.
Like they talk about debtforgive, college debt
forgiveness.
How about we just get thefricking interest in check, like
you do that, and it would cut,like most of people's misery off
and you wouldn't have to fundcutting people's debt off.
It's just, it is predatorylending to kids who don't know
any better because they're beingtold no, you have to go to
(51:53):
college to be successful andmeanwhile half the jobs these
kids are going to school for aregoing to be taken over by AI at
this point.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, you're right.
I mean if the future were kindof what you're doing with your
daughters, primarily focusing onthe vocation making a little
bit of money until there's thatcrossover point, doing something
from home, not in a co-edenvironment, and on the flip
side, with young boys.
I just had a son and I'malready starting to think about
this way, way, way, two decadesin advance.
It's no, I don't have abusiness to give him.
(52:21):
He's getting into the tradesand it's going to be like just
bash into his brain early, early, early on, not just practically
, but it's also not as expensive, not nearly.
And the level of mastery andcompensation that comes with
that, I mean dude.
And the level of mastery andcompensation that comes with
that, I mean dude.
All the guys that I grew upwith that got into trades are
comfortable men now.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
What happened to me.
My son is doing a weldingprogram and it's going to be
like 10 grand for him to getcertified in all his welding.
And then he's talking aboutlike, once he gets that
certification he might go forlike aeronautics welding or
underwater welding and like getspecialized in that thing.
So it's all his friends aregoing away for like computer
(53:02):
this and computer that, and I'mlike these kids, those, those
jobs will not exist in 15, 10years.
In 10 years these kids aregoing to get out of school.
They're gonna have 200 000 indebt and they're gonna go oh,
can I get a job that now the aiprogram takes care of that.
So I mean I, I do construction.
I.
The only reason I didn't bringmy son where I am is because the
commute is so bad and it takesyears off your life.
Speaker 5 (53:21):
So yeah, let me see if I can get him into something
like this, which and if they'vegot some semblance of
intelligence to work, ethic too,like once you're a certified
electrician, hvac electrician ora plumber, what have you?
Um, uh, it's a license to printmoney.
If you have an entrepreneurialmind, yep 100.
And it's low-key, you've gotcontracts.
(53:42):
You don't have to worry aboutleads because, like, you're in
demand, you need it's.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Just if I had to go back and do it all over again
and not be like retarded like Iwas, that's what I would do yeah
, um, yeah, I mean I, I thinkespecially there's going to be a
huge comeback in the tradesjust because of the coming
technological revolution that'supon us.
But like, even podcastingthough, jim, like like I know
(54:07):
you're goofing around but thething is this market is going to
be so oversaturated, like it's.
It's even so different now thanit was three or four years ago.
It's even so different now thanit was three or four years ago,
and pretty much everybody thatis becoming successful in this
has some kind of money behindthem to build, build their thing
behind them.
Like there's very few guys whoare just organically pulling off
(54:30):
growing a platform anymore.
Thank you, mimi, you're thebest.
There's one thing I want to endon before we go over to locals,
and it kind of adds in with thiswhole theme that we've been
going with, and there's thisclip of Ruslan discussing.
(54:51):
There was that pastor that wason CNN, I think Doug Wilson was
on CNN talking about talkingabout patriarchy, and I just
kind of want to finish upbecause this whole, this whole
episode has kind of been on this.
So let's just I just kind ofwant to show you guys how the
longhouse is permeatedeverywhere, because what he says
is going to sound reasonable,but it's just not.
(55:13):
It's just another example ofthe longhouse.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Some of his Christian movement is on a patriarchal
society where men are dominantand women are expected to submit
to their husbands.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, I think this is where they start losing.
I don't know if he holds hisview, but like Joe Webben thinks
like women should lose theirright to vote, you know.
So I think, like I'm with you,I'm like uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh,
and then they like backdoor,something like yeah, women are
kind of subhuman and shouldn'tvote.
They're creating the image ofgod.
But you know, I'm not sayingthat, I'm not saying that's like
they're officially, but like wehad joe webbitt on and he's
(55:44):
like flat out, like do you thinkit's a little bit of a straw
man?
They use the word dominatewhere men dominate their spouse.
I think dominate, I don't know,I don't know, I don't know how
they mean it like as acomplementarian, I think men of
the head.
As a complementarian, I thinkyou should be the head of your
household, meaning that there isa time and a place where you
may have to have a trump cardover an issue where,
hypothetically, you and yourwife are divided on this, this
(56:10):
poison doctrine that is outthere of mutual submission.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
It is so insane.
No, there are not certainsituations where you have to be
able to pull the trump cardbecause you're the head of the
home hypothetically anthonyhypothetically, medically, there
might be no.
You are either the priest ofyour home, like, okay, so look,
I've had arguments with peoplebecause I've said that your wife
(56:39):
is actually your spiritualchild.
Right, so you are the priest ofyour home.
It is your actual, your role asthe husband to get your wife to
heaven.
Like if I decided we are notgoing to go to mass anymore, my,
my wife would follow me.
I mean, maybe not, but therewas a time where she would have.
Now I don't think she would.
But the point being, youactually have an obligation to
(57:04):
be the care, like the priest ofthe souls, of everybody in your
care, in your home, and thatstarts with your wife.
Your wife is your spiritualchild.
Now, she also has a spiritualmotherhood over your children
and obviously a naturalmotherhood too.
But you are first and foremostthe priest in your home, and
it's not a hypotheticalsituation.
At all times you are the headof the home and you will have to
(57:27):
give an answer to God if yourwife does not get to heaven.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
Well, that's absolutely right.
And let's not forget, too, thatthe only bit of authority a
woman has over you is over yourbody.
As husband and wife, you havecomplete authority over your
family, complete, like you canbless them.
You have complete authority.
But that's not for you, it'sfor them.
So that's exactly what you'resaying.
I think you know you couldalready start to hear this guy's
(57:53):
wheels start to click, hismouth goes dry and he's like
hypothetically maybe certainit's like it's okay to say that
yeah, no, I have to say no to mywife.
I do say no to my wife andsometimes she'll buck up against
it.
That's okay.
That's because she's a fallenhuman being, just like I'm a
(58:14):
fallen human being.
She takes my crap.
I think what Will Tim and I havespoken at length about is, of
course I go to my wife when I'mmaking decisions, not to ask her
permission, but I know she'sprudent, she's genuine of heart
and she's got the best interestof our family in mind.
But she knows damn well, thelast word is mine.
(58:35):
That's not to say she'sbanished to this corner of the
home.
I'm trying to help my wife asmuch as I can on a daily basis
and reduce her stress, but Iknow my place, she knows hers,
and when it comes down to it,it's not this trump card, it's
called being a man.
That's all it is, and there's away to say that lovingly too.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
This isn't about being a monster in your home or
anything.
This isn't about like being amonster in your home or anything
.
It's just like you're what.
My wife doesn't want to be me.
She just doesn't want to be me.
She's like I don't want theburdens you have on you, I don't
.
She just would never want theburdens that I have on me and I
(59:14):
would never want hers.
I don't.
I want you.
Know, they're just different.
They're just totally differentand it's.
But this idea of mutualsubmission is just so upside
down to me.
It's, and it comes into parishlife when priests are submitting
to the, to the parish, insteadof the priest being the father
of the parish and saying no, no,no, this is for your spiritual
(59:35):
good.
I'm doing this thing because Iknow it's what's best for you.
I don't care if you're upsetabout it.
This needs to be done, like ifmore priests would actually have
that authority about them, youcould fix the church really
quick, because it really is acrisis of fatherhood.
And if priests actually juststarted saying like no, I'm
sorry we're doing this thing,because this is actually because
(59:58):
a priest is going to have toanswer to God for every soul in
his care as well.
It's the same thing in yourhome, and, especially because we
have such a weak priesthood atthe moment, you have even higher
of a demand to be the priest ofyour home.
Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Yeah, and to all the men that are husbands and
fathers that listen to this, Imean this should weigh on your
soul more than anything else.
I mean it does.
I feel it every day.
It's like one of the thingsthat I pray about the most.
It's like I, every time I go toconfession, every time I go to
mass, there is this weight thatI'm like and this is that's,
ultimately, was the revelationthat brought me to Catholicism.
It heaven.
Like how am I going to be ableto make an account for this
(01:00:37):
properly?
Boom, here I am in the church.
Like this should weigh on yoursoul.
You know, this is not abouttyranny.
This is not about wielding thishammer.
No, it's about it is going totest your ability to lead, not
because leadership is for you,it's for your family, it's for
God.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
That's how you get yourself to heaven too.
If men actually understood howmuch authority that God has
given them as men and how theyyou are you are the Christ
figure to your family it shouldactually make you tremble in
fear, like you should actuallytremble in fear because it is
(01:01:15):
such a huge responsibility thatGod has put on men.
I promise you women that thinkthey want that responsibility
they don't know what they'reasking for.
Like they don't understand whatthey are asking for, because it
is terrifying when you thinkabout every single thing you are
going to be held to account forin how you ruled your family as
a man.
(01:01:35):
It's scary stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Well, especially, I mean, I mean, you know, material
provision is just a foot in thedoor, although a big
responsibility, but it's, it'sthe spiritual formation you are.
You catechize your family.
You are actually, quiteliterally, the priest of the
home.
So, number one, if you're notgetting right with god, staying
in a state of grace, likedenouncing vices in your life,
working toward virtue, buildinga robust interior life,
andifying yourself, like that's,those graces aren't just for
(01:02:00):
you.
You know, like when I go toconfession, like I feel prompted
because, of course, like I, Ifear God out of love for him,
but it's also my family getsbestowed with those graces as
well.
I've noticed that thetransformation has had on, on,
on on our lives as well.
And if you're not leading inprayer, if you're not teaching
(01:02:22):
them, yeah, your, your wife will, but it won't stick to the same
degree.
It is fundamentally different,like the authority that's given
to us as father and motherrespectively, fundamentally
different.
This should make you shakeevery time you're in the
confessional.
It should make you shake.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, there's a couple of things.
So your kids are still little.
I remember when my kids weregrowing up there was a couple of
things I did with them.
Um, one of them was, if theyever had something weighing on
their conscience and they cameand told me, just because it was
weighing on their conscienceand not because they were going
to get caught, but like if theyjust came to me and said, daddy,
I did this wrong, they wouldget like a, an act of Jubilee
(01:02:58):
for me, like they would get anact of mercy from me and they
would never face consequencesfor it.
Right?
So if they, if they came to meas if they were confessing to me
, I would just grant themabsolution.
I don't care how, how bad itwas.
Um, the other thing I told themwas if, if we go to mass and
you're in a state of mortal sinand you can't receive, I will
never ask you why.
(01:03:18):
I will never ask my child whythey did not receive.
I will make sure they're atconfession, that you know as
soon as possible, but I'll neverask my children why didn't you
receive?
It's just something that that'sbetween them and God, and I
think it's a greater sin forthem to receive in a state of
mortal sin than it is for themto, you know, not want to tell
me they did something wrong.
(01:03:40):
Um, and then, um, there was oneother one that I did with them,
uh, growing up, like, especiallyif they wronged their sibling,
like they, if they came and toldme about it, I would just it
would.
It would be something wherethey wouldn't get in trouble,
like I wanted to show them agreat act of what it's like for
for God to be merciful to themand also how important it was to
(01:04:04):
, um, not ever receive our Lordwhen you were in a state of
mortal sin.
Those are two, two lessons thatI think I really did a good job
with them on.
And even to this day, my kidswill come to me before mass and
they'll say, hey, can we go toconfession before mass?
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
that's beautiful man.
I'll just stick those, both ofthose in, uh, in my back pocket,
particularly the one where they, you know, they, they admit to
you, um, what they've done wrong, and then you're kind of like,
you're kind of acting in persona, christi, almost in a way, and
saying, hey, like we're all good, I'm actually not going to
punish you.
That's powerful man.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I appreciate you sharing that yeah, so, um, all
right, so we're going to go overto locals.
I got a couple other things.
Let me see what I got over forlocals.
I got a bunch of stuff.
Uh, let's see, um I got.
I have the new york post put outum an article about this guy
(01:04:56):
who took his own life, and oneof the quotes from the article
said it was Chase's own decisionto enter heaven.
His light will continue toshine eternally in the hearts of
all those he touched throughouthis remarkable, though far too
brief life.
Now I want to talk about howridiculous it is that we spout
these platitudes to people aboutthe reality of hell and the
(01:05:20):
reality of if somebody does taketheir life, like you.
Like, we have to get back totelling people the truth about
things, because it's actuallyleading people to think you can
do something like that andyou're now an angel in heaven or
something.
So we're going to talk aboutthat.
I got a bunch of other stufftoo.
If you guys are not locals,members, come over to locals.
That's where we have the moreyeah, and I'll get a little more
(01:05:42):
personal over there too.
So we're heading over there.
We're not going to do somefancy.
Outro, mike, you got anythingto?
Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
promote.
Before we go, the only thingI'll say is I've been really
passionate about my YouTubechannel lately.
I've been really enjoying thefeedback, so just go subscribe.
Mike Pantile on YouTube.
I dropped some merch.
You want to grab some Cool?
Go ahead.
Otherwise, just pleasesubscribe.
I'd appreciate that more thananything.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah and hit like and subscribe this video.
And Rob and I got our merchshop fixed, so we were having a
problem with our merch shoporiginally.
We have a new vendor, so if youguys do want to grab your, have
you accepted Mary as yourpersonal mother and intercessor
shirt?
Or I'm religious, not spiritual.
We got a couple of those upthere.
So go buy our merch too andwe'll see you guys on the other
(01:06:25):
side.
Let me see how that'll cut allthese feeds.
Now.
This is always awkward.
Used to be like you just usedto be able to just hit one or
two buttons and it would go.
Well, you need a producer, bro.
Yeah.
Satsang with Mooji.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, so listen.
Rob's not here, so I'm going toplay the taffy intro that was
supposed to play.
So this is what should haveplayed if we had Rob here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Did you hear it?
Marriage, sex and intimacy.
In this episode we get real andunfiltered.
What I mean by that is I thinkit's great to talk about how
great sex is.
Okay, now, this is like whereit gets this work.
(01:06):
It's like a hot topic issue.
Let's do it.
Can we all talk about FatherMike Schmitz and how handsome he
is?
I showed him to a girlfriendwho's not Catholic and she's
like wins mass.
Father Mike Schmitz has notbeen named dropped yet in that
way in this show, but I'm gladit's happened All right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
That is a grave and dangerous and please stop Taffy
is sick, somebody pay that man.
Please.
I started a tip jar butnobody's chipping in.
But if you guys are fans ofTaffy's intros, I have a tip jar
at the top of my Twitter.
Anything that goes in therewill go to him.
I think somebody gave $1 so far.
(01:52):
I was trying to hope it buildsup a tiny bit so I can hand him
something.
But yeah, man Lila managed toset the internet on fire
yesterday, huh.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah, as soon as I saw that post, I said this is
going to go viral for all thewrong reasons.
I was just like I couldn'tcomprehend.
You know, when you'resexualizing the clergy, I mean
there's being a gooner andthere's being a turbo gooner,
and that is anytime somebodytalks about the clergy like that
, I'm just, I'm sitting there, Iwho.
Who allowed this to be first ofall recorded and then posted
(02:25):
and edited in that specificsequence is just imprudent.
Let's just put it in acharitable way it's imprudent.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was strange because they're talking about
how, like sexualization and howmen are not animals, and then
they act like animals in thebeginning and it's like I don't
know man.
It's just the whole.
We're going to play the actualclip that she put together, but
it's one thing that she did withFather Mike at the beginning.
(02:55):
But there's just something soimmodest about women publicly
sharing details of theirintimate lives with their
husbands.
Like I just find it extra Idon't know if I like that Like
there's something so off puttingto me about just women.
(03:19):
Look, I think that there'sprobably a place where girls can
talk about this stuff, if it'sjust girls.
But Lila puts that out on herTwitter and it blows up.
There's like eight millionviews on it and you have these
two women just talking abouttheir intimate lives with their
husband.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
It was just so awful in my opinion it's already a
problem that women are in thiskind of public facing position
and not fully taking care oftheir families.
There are very few women, veryfew men too, but especially few
women that should be talkingabout these things, and the
women that should be are oftentaking care of their
well-ordered families.
I was talking about this withmy wife the other day.
(03:58):
I said there really only shouldbe, you know, nuns and sisters
and you know women that havetaken that kind of vocation
speaking publicly on such topics, because they could probably do
so with much more prudence andvirtue.
Versus it just kind of soundinglike girls getting a cocktail
and talking all kinds ofretardation about a priest
(04:20):
publicly on that kind of aplatform.
You just start and you juststart to imagine, like, what are
their home lives really like iftheir husbands are permitting
this type of like discourse in apublic fashion?
It's just scandalous dude it it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It takes another turn when your wife is the sole
breadwinner, like in Lila'ssituation, right, like Lila's,
making half a million dollars ayear running live action.
So now, a year running liveaction.
So now, even if her husband hassomething to say, because I'll
even tell you this like, cominginto tonight's show, my wife saw
the thumbnail.
She's like why are you?
She's like, why are you gonnabe talking about something?
I'm like be quiet, like don'twatch my show.
(04:56):
Like you know, like I don'tunderstand why you even like
this is just something I have todo, you know.
And there's something reallydisordered in when the woman is
the one so Lila, as as muchblowback as she got, it's
actually beneficial to her toget that kind of blowback and it
opens their husbands up toridicule publicly.
(05:18):
And I just don't understand awoman that would want to open
her husband up to that kind ofridicule publicly and I just
don't understand a woman thatwould want to open her husband
up to that kind of ridicule.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well, I mean, it kind of just in a public way goes to
show that these men are in away kind of purse holders like
you're allowing yourself to bespoken about in such a way.
I don't know their situation ifshe's the primary breadwinner,
but if that's the case, I meanthat's already sort of dysphoric
and disordered in and of itself.
And then on top of that youcompound this with being a
public personality and then notjust sexualizing the clergy in
(05:49):
the case of father mike, butalso talking about sex, like
just women just should not betalking about this in a public
like I would just be somortified if my wife was doing
and then doubling down, and thendoubling down on it too, and
it's like listen, you missed thepoint of like the pushback that
you got completely.
Like nobody's talking about sexbeing a good thing.
(06:10):
It's like you don't need it,okay.
Well, imagine a man, imagineyou and I were sitting here.
You're like yeah, we don't.
You don't need to listen toyour wife.
Like wives, you don't need tobe listened to.
Like we don't need to likecater to your emotions, we don't
need to help you, we don't needto take you out on dates.
You don't need a date, you know, retarded, that would sound
like no guy would even permitsaying that either.
It's a.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It's a it's interesting because they're
they're bragging about how theymake their husbands not like I
don't know, it's just, it's just, it's just look.
This is why I always had anissue with people discussing
even the um, the theology of thebody stuff, too publicly,
because I think in some waysthis christopher west kind of
(06:49):
popularized talking about thesekinds of topics and I do think
there's probably some good thatcame from theology, the body and
stuff.
But the idea that it's likecool for women to talk about
orgasms and things like that,it's just such a weird, a weird
(07:10):
thing that has happened sincethat whole and I was trying to
figure out what catholic inc isand I used to think catholic inc
was kind of just like anybodyrelated to catholic answers and
steubenville and anybodyadjacent.
But I don't think that'sactually what it is.
And we did a show last time wetalked about this when they put
that picture up of everybody andwe called it like the longhouse
(07:33):
.
And I'm like like how do youdefine the longhouse?
The Catholic longhouse?
And it's.
I I'm pretty sure it's.
People who see a clip like thatin the creator space know
there's something off with itbut will not call it out or say
something because they want togo on lila's podcast or they
(07:53):
don't want to have somebody inthat arena be upset with them
because they criticize this.
And I think it goes down toeven having a priest at a parish
who wants to put an altar railin for people to kneel for
communion, but they won't dosomething like that because the
Susan in the parish rectory orthe you know they'll get upset
by it.
So the priest doesn't actuallydo what needs to be done because
(08:16):
he's afraid to cause waves withthe women.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, it's odd because it's you know these
people in a way, whether they'redeliberate about it or not.
It's kind of gatekeeping thepopular shows, the, you know
where the majority of thetraffic goes, and I think that's
a large part as to why most ofthe Catholic content you see is
just apologetic slop.
Yeah, you know, and this is whyI appreciate about you know
(08:41):
what you guys are doing.
I'm obviously biased when I'mon the show, but I was listening
this far before I came on thisthe first time, and this is why
I also just don't care how bigmy YouTube channel or my
following grows, because thereis a huge segment of the
Catholic acquiring population,or the Catholic population in
general, that is largely ignored, and that's like these, these
(09:04):
like younger men that likenobody's speaking to, they're
either being told and longhoused in, like you know, atoned
police by these catty womenthat should just be taking care
of their families, or they'rejust being spoken over by these
like apologists that you know goto chat gbt and like schedule
out their, their ex tweets, bro,it's just brutal.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
How awful is that right, like these guys just
scheduling their tweets askingchat gbt, what can I, what can?
And first off, I I thought kindof feel guilty because I think
I did start some of that becauseI kept seeing all the
protestants doing it and liketrolling us with mary stuff.
So I just started leaning intoit and I see a lot of people
(09:45):
doing that now.
So I do feel a little bit badabout starting that, but it is.
It is pretty awful.
The, the, the challenge isalways like what do you do to
not be like everybody else?
Because the, the apologeticslop really is everywhere and
you see the same.
How many times can you debunksola scriptura?
(10:08):
How many times?
Like they're?
They're just the same argumentsrehashed over and over.
Like rob and I have struggledwith this too.
It's like what is our identitynow?
Like we don't.
We really don't want to discussrome at all.
I, I you know, since since leocame in, I don't want to discuss
Rome at all.
I, you know, since Leo came in,I don't want to be the critic of
the hierarchy at all.
You know, let that play out theway it's going to play out.
(10:31):
So what we've been doing isjust kind of picking whatever is
happening in the culture andtrying to talk about that from a
Catholic perspective.
But every once in a whilesomething like this pops up and
it looks like you're beinguncharitable by talking about
this.
But how do you not discusssomething like this when these
are catholic creators and andthey're just in like it was just
(10:57):
so off-putting to me?
I don't know, I have, I have a.
I'm very worried about the nextgeneration and younger men from
what women are putting out onthe internet and how I see men
reacting to it in this revulsionthey have as soon as they see
the things they're putting out.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, well, I think the identity thing on social
media is a bit of like anevolution as you kind of grow
and face.
I mean it's really smart, it'sa prudent thing not to talk
about the hierarchy anymore,just for, like, you know your
own soul and for the souls ofother people that are watching
and you know you don't want tosow that kind of like division,
kind of keeping your opinions toa degree more or less like to
yourself, vocalizing them hereand there.
That's, that's fine.
(11:33):
I love what the show has turnedinto because I think when
discussing this type of thing,you kind of lend a voice to like
the indignant, male rage that alot of these guys are
experiencing and seeing and that, like is nobody.
Am I insane?
Like they feel like they're ina room and like am I the only
one that feels this way?
Am I insane for having thislike reaction of complete, like
revulsion, being repulsed bythis?
(11:53):
It's like no, okay, these otherdudes that I respect actually
feel this way as well, and soit's so necessary and I think
that's, you know, the Catholiccontent creator space.
A lot of these people, first ofall, are called to because they
want to be influencers, and theeasiest way that they can do it
is going about it in this sortof like sloppy, apologetic,
clickbaity type of way.
They don't actually have anidentity.
They don't want to rufflefeathers because they want to
(12:14):
get in with all the the peeps,that catholic and whomever those
people may be, becauseotherwise they don't really have
a message.
Otherwise, who's going tolisten to them?
What are they going tocommunicate?
This of any value?
And so that's why I think youknow, uh, whatever you want to
call your channel, it's not aministry, it's not an apostle
either, is mine?
I'm just a dude that likerambles on a webcam about you
(12:36):
know, masculinity, but it'snecessary because you're kind of
, you're off the beaten path andI'm telling you, man, like the
reach and the impact that guyslike you, rob, you know to a
degree myself, you know, nottrying to sound like prideful or
arrogant is is pretty big.
These young dudes, man, theyreally look to us for some at
least, our opinions or guidance,cause we're like the, we're the
unks, bro, we're the olderbrothers.
So, like nobody's talking aboutthis, it's like, are these
(12:58):
women just going to get freereign to just like, just pop off
with the lips, you know, butyou still see the simps in their
comments defending it, and it'sjust like I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't, man, how did it get to this place where
women can basically say anythingfor attention and just want and
and men would defend it, andlike I.
I have this because I keepseeing and I even saw keith and
um and matt talk about this whenkeith was on matt's show and
(13:32):
there's there's this element ofum, any kind of criticism of
another catholic is uncharitableand like I didn't want to come
on here and start trashing liila, it wasn't even about that.
It's more like an assessment ofwhat is happening in our
culture with e-girls in generalright, because especially
(13:52):
e-girls on the right not one ofthem.
Have you ever seen anunattractive e-girl on the right
?
No, not one right Like none ofthem are unattractive.
So every single one of them areusing their looks to attract
these simps, to get their fanbase, and they purposely.
I mean the whole thing with themass fits.
(14:13):
And then even you have likeisabella moody, who's dropping
the n-word to sound outrageous,and I'm just like, have any of
these women actually offered anyanything valuable to the
conversation?
That that, that that they'renot just like picking off a
minute.
Like there are a couple ofwomen who I respect in this
(14:35):
field, but they're not e-girls.
You know, like you get intosomebody like Jennifer Roback
Morris, who worked with the RuthInstitute to figure out
marriage things like that,catherine Bennett, from Catholic
Unscripted but they're note-girls.
Like this new crop of e-girlsusing their beauty to try and
(14:57):
suck men in and then postingmass fits to basically like,
lure men into theirattractiveness and then they'll
lecture them about pornographyand it's so beyond boggling,
toling to like mind boggling tome.
I don't know how, like how, wego forward with this.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Or or lecturing them on on masculinity, and guys just
eat it up because it's it'skind of an offshoot of the
pornographic culture in a way.
Right, and it's it's, it'snarcissism veiled as virtue,
because these women are likewell, they're Catholicsolics, so
like I'm going to respect her,I'm really going to listen to
her, um, but really it's, it'sreally just a kind of a slightly
more virtuous version of of theonly fans, uh, plague, it's no
(15:36):
different it really is.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's the same and, and especially when you see the
girls who left the only fansworld and then come into this
world and they're doing the sameattention seeking it's.
It's just with their clothes on.
Now, right, and I don't knowI'm, I'm wondering what, like
how do we win this back?
Like Jeff just said it, let mejust say he said men, men have
(16:02):
largely seeded the public arenato women and it's going to take
a concerted effort to win itback.
Now, how do you go about thatwithout seeming like a total
chauvinist and you're just likeshut up women, but like shut up
women, I don't know how tohandle it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I think you said it.
I think there are times wherethe proverbial heavy hand has to
be brought in, and it's whenthings get so far oftentimes the
pendulum really has to bebrought in, and it's when things
get so far, oftentimes thependulum really has to swing
really drastically in theopposite direction.
I'm not saying like becomingmisogynistic or you know, uh,
you know being vicious ormalicious in such a way, but I
think it's going to take somelike serious, consistent
(16:38):
correction and like alsoencouraging us to just stop
listening to them, becausethere's really not much of value
that are coming from these,these female platforms.
Like almost almost nothing iscoming a value that is coming
from there, especially not formen.
Like if these dudes juststopped doing it in real talk,
not even trying to be funny,cause like that's all it is.
They're just.
They're just sort of uh,enamored by the beauty of these
(17:00):
women.
Like what do you get from?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
it.
Like youtube is 80 male right.
So these, these platforms,these women wouldn't have
platforms if it wasn't for menwatching.
But it's.
It's an interesting thingbecause I do think like there
probably needs to be, because mywife will, my wife will be like
working around the house andshe just wants to put something
catholic on that she couldlisten to, and she may not want
(17:29):
to listen to some machomasculinity podcast.
You know what I mean.
So, like I know that there hasto be a space for women to hear
other women and stuff, but Ijust think the direction that
some of them are going is justyou see, the thirst trapping,
like they're trying to get mento come into this space and
they're using their looks to doit and then they're in there
(17:52):
lecturing men about like I don'tdo you think there's any
scenario where a married womanshould be talking about men's
use of pornography?
I, I, I cannot fathom wherethat is acceptable.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
It's not acceptable.
It's very scandalous, even tothe men that are trying to, you
know, trying to improvethemselves, because there's just
a fundamental disconnect.
It's like when a man or womanis trying to tell a man how to
be a man.
It's like, listen, we don't.
Like I don't know if I, youdon't know this, but we don't
have the same parts.
So you don't relate to thestruggle, you don't relate to
manhood, you don't relate to youknow what a man experiences
(18:27):
because of testosterone, becauseof the fact that we have, the
fact that we even have to saythis is is retarded.
That's how much is the shift inthe wrong direction.
It's like now you're talkingabout you're literally talking
about men masturbating topornography and this doesn't
occur to you, that this is a badthing even for you and your
soul.
Like, why are you even talkingabout this?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
and you're a married woman and you're talking about
this and wild, and they haveabsolutely and you're talking
about this, and they haveabsolutely no understanding of
the like what a man struggleswith in that whatsoever.
It's not to say like theremight be women who struggle with
that, but it's nothing likewhat men are are going through.
It's just a place where theyhave no business talking and
(19:07):
they insert themselves into theconversation because of this
urge to be men and it's I don'tknow, man, I'm really having a
hard time.
I'm having a hard time handlingit in a way where you don't
come off like a total a-holewhen you talk about it, but I I
don't know how else to do it,because really it's their
(19:28):
husbands that should be tellingthem hey, you need to draw a
line here and don't do thisanymore.
Like, I'm not comfortable withyou doing that.
But if the husbands are justlike, well, I need the money
she's bringing in from socialmedia influencing and not
actually criticizing it.
Because, look, okay, so Brianholds where.
I actually want to find Brian'stweet, because Brian defended
Lila and I like Brian.
(19:50):
We both like, like, really likeBrian.
So this isn't I want.
I want to kind of use what he,what he said to um to try to see
his perspective on this.
But he said uh, am I the onlyone who thinks Lila Rose was
speaking to a pornified culturethat thinks promiscuity is
necessary when she said mendon't need sex?
(20:13):
I didn't hear anything aboutmarried men surrendering the
conjugal rights, which is whateveryone seems to be accusing
her of.
So that's, that's.
That's what I think people aremisunderstanding, even she
misunderstood in her reply tothis.
I I'm not saying like in youknow, in substance, what she was
saying was wrong.
Like yes, men don't technicallyneed sex.
(20:35):
And the thing is, the priesthoodis actually like the celibate
priesthood is actually thesymbol needed, especially in our
times, to show people that sexis not the thing you need to be
happy, right?
So everybody thinks like sex isthe thing that's going to make
you happy.
Well, celibate priesthood isactually a sign that our eternal
reward is not going to comedown to sex.
(20:57):
It's going to be something muchhigher.
Like they are the trueromantics, the celibate priest,
if they are living a chastecelibate life.
But a married woman talkingabout NFP and her husband her
husband turning her on becausehe has self-condemnation Like
it's just not an appropriateconversation.
(21:19):
That's what the real issue ishere.
It's not about the substance ofwhat she was saying about the
priesthood and men needing it'sjust married women should not be
speaking publicly about thistopic.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yeah, and I nothing about what Brianrian said was
necessarily wrong, I just thinkit was the.
The point was kind of missed,the outrage.
He kind of maybe missed thepoint in terms of, like the
outrage, because there was amixed reaction, like a lot of
people were reacting to the factthat you know, obviously they
were talking about father mikeschmitz, which brian obviously
agreed with us.
That's, it's dumb and it'sretarded, it's degenerate.
Um, but the overarching pointwas I exactly agree with you
(21:51):
it's like, why are women talkingabout this type of thing when
they're married, like a womangoing on there, first of all, I
mean again, not to bash on, notto keep beating the drum of the
father mike schmidt's thing, butit's really bad.
Like she should probably, uh,probably, go to confession for
that.
I'm a scrupulous guy like youshould probably, you should
probably do that.
That's bad to me, that's bad.
And then, on top of that, it'slike you're talking about how
(22:13):
much your husband turns you on.
It's like man, like you forget,there are cameras, there's
cameras on, and then, on top ofthat too, right, the audience of
men that watch that eat thatstuff up.
Right, a lot of these guys.
We live in a fatherlessgeneration.
We already know that.
Feminism, etc.
Gynocentrism.
There's also all these men thathave mommy issues.
So when they they hear a womanstart to talk about this, uh it
almost kind of uh recreates thatmommy issue.
(22:36):
So it just takes off becausethese women are attractive,
they're talking about thingsthat guys want they eat up and
many of these men cannot standcorrection.
They buckle.
Yeah, this is what I do withguys.
I I talk to guys one-on-one allthe time.
I have a men's group, some ofthese guys.
You give them the slightest bitof pushback and they're just as
feminine as a feminine can beand they just they crumble under
(22:58):
it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, they're in the long house, like they're afraid
of women.
They're afraid of us,especially some.
Look, you go to a.
You go to a Latin mass andthere's a lot of guys that are
seeking to be more virtuous andseeking to be, to live a more
trad lifestyle.
But I see a lot of guys beinghenpecked at the latin mass too.
This isn't a novus ordo latinmass thing.
This is a universal culturalissue we're dealing with right
(23:21):
now.
I want I want to jump to acouple of super chats, because
people are super chatting and Idon't want to let them.
I don't want anybody to thinkI'm blowing them off.
Um, just finished the newestshoe on head video.
Now the live stream bashingLila Rose.
A good night down with the Rose, up with the shoe.
Um, let's see, uh, uh.
Big shout out to the channelfruit of the fam.
I don't know that channel.
(23:41):
Um, uh, talking aboutmasculinity, the Knights of
Columbus just isn't discussedanywhere by anyone online.
They really discussed anywhereby anyone online.
They really are just a defunctgroup of boomers who kowtow to
church ladies these days.
That that was my issue with the, with the knights of columbus.
I I tried to join years backand they were all guys over 70
(24:02):
and I was the only like.
I was in my early 30s at thetime and I was just like I don't
fit here.
This isn't you know, I'm notgoing to potluck dinners and
things like that, uh.
And then bobby said uh, the redpill craps on marriage unless
it's to a hot and super holytrad girl.
The e-girls sell them that image.
It's a recipe for simps.
Yeah, not wrong.
(24:22):
Yeah, it's um.
Wait, let me just go live.
Um, yeah, it's I.
I just, you know, I don't, Idon't even want to make this
entire episode, just crapping onthis whole issue, but it's
getting hard, for it's gettinghard to watch this continue and
(24:45):
to see how just discouragedyoung men are getting because
they they're getting this imagethat even the Catholic women are
just feminists, like there's,there's no hope for them.
And I and sometimes I feel likeI managed to scoop up the one
feminine girl left who justdoesn't give me a hard time I
(25:08):
don't, I don't know what theseyoung guys are going to do, but
when the Catholic women beingpresented before them are acting
like this, they're just goingto be so discouraged and they're
going to fall for the red pillstuff.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
They are.
This is why there's such a needto talk about the red pill
stuff through the lens of thechurch, because a lot of these
natural law observations thatthese guys make the
prescriptions, I mean it's.
It's actualized within thechurch.
I mean it's.
It's the perfect illuminationof the natural law within the
catholic faith.
(25:40):
So why is there not a place forus to talk about these things?
And so, when you get this sortof catholic ink, let's talk
about how guys should date.
It's retarded and it's gay andit doesn't actually work, I
think.
And also, too, a lot of thesemen too.
I mean, there's obviously a bigproblem with these women being
feminists, but there's also justa lack of masculinity too.
(26:00):
This is not about the men,though, thing.
This is a lot of guys that areexpecting these women to be
feminine, but they're not actualleaders themselves too, right.
So the difference is and I'mnot putting us on a pedestal
necessarily, but it's like we'renot afraid to tell a woman no,
we have boundaries Like it'skind of, maybe if it was natural
, maybe it was part of it isnature, or nurture, whatever.
A lot of these guys don't know,and I don't fault them for it,
(26:21):
so they didn't have dads orwhatnot.
So I think there's gotta beguys that fill that gap and
teach these young dudes like hey, this is actually how you talk
to a woman and not be a spurg.
You know, this is wow.
You know, present yourselfphysically in a way where you're
healthy, don't have to be afreaking bodybuilder or whatever
like.
That's not what I'm saying.
Represent yourself in a waythat you know you're showing
that you've got some virtue,you've got some boundaries, you
can speak, you're outspoken, youcan make her laugh.
(26:43):
That's why that clip thatmajorian posted after our stream
yesterday was, uh, me sayingthat, hey, if a guy could just
fill up his t-shirt a little bitmore and make a woman laugh,
most of these guys would bemarried and it's like it's true
man.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think I think the key to a woman's heart is making
her laugh.
I think if you could get a girlto laugh, you're in and if
you're not a fat, disgustingslob, you're gonna do.
Yeah, um, yeah.
You also tweeted today justabout um.
You were like I, because somuch of that conversation wasn't
just uh, what was even in thatclip.
(27:17):
Well, I don't know, should weeven play the clip?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I mean, people probably know by now, but yeah,
it's probably worth playing,it's not that?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
long?
Yeah, because we I think wetend to have this idea that
everybody is on Twitter all day,like us and I don't you know.
They're just not.
So all right, hang on, let'ssee if I can share my screen
here.
All right, so this is the clip.
Let me pull it up.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Can we all talk about Father Mike Schmitz?
I showed him to a girlfriendwho's not catholic.
She's like wins mass.
What about the man needing sex?
That's just a culturalnarrative that basically says
men are like animals and theyhave to be able to do this
sexual thing, otherwise they'regoing to go crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And the reality is there's a whole vocations that
are celibate and these arevirile, yes, but married men,
that is not the vocation foreveryone and that is a very much
a higher calling right.
This is not, you know.
And no, men don't need sex, no,I guess.
But St Paul also says youshould marry so that you're not
(28:22):
burning with lust Like it's.
They're framing it and I knowshe's getting into talking about
the celibate priesthood, butthat is a special vocation and
that is not every man's callingand she's setting it up like
you're an animal, if you're, ifyou have desires as a man, and I
don't think that's even right.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Well, that, and then the whole NFT conversation, I
mean not mean, not to mention, Imean it's.
You can't talk about thepriesthood and relate, you know,
a member of the clergy to amember of the laity, in the
sense that there are obviously,just like you said, it's a
special calling of vocation,there are graces that come with
the office.
So, like these are twodifferent offices, the office of
father, the office of father,in terms of, you know, being a
(29:07):
priest, are two completelydifferent things, and so to to
compare them, to be the same,just goes to show you that a
woman really does not know thestruggle of the common man,
that's not a priest and this isjust a tone-deaf conversation.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Let's see when does it go for me, men's men.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Some of the most masculine of men I know are
priests.
We need food, we need air tobreathe.
We don't need sex.
It's a gift of coming togethertogether and it's designed to
bring life into the world.
I think the sexiest thing abouta guy is like their
self-control and my husband haslike this is so wrong to say
this.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I'm sorry amazing self-control.
So after baby number, he'sbasically telling everybody like
why are you saying your poorhusband, why are you doing this
to your poor?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
or when we started practicing nfp, it was like we
couldn't do it sometimes when wewanted to, and that kind of
made things a little steamier,like, not gonna lie, it's hard
on him too, don't get me wrong.
People will say well, oh, doyou just do other things for
your husband, like are youinsane to say something like
that publicly come on man, I'mnot, I'm not, I stop gooning
Speaker 2 (30:12):
that's all I gotta say.
Stop gooning gross conversation.
Come on, man, like what are yougirls doing?
Have some like, have some likemodicum of decency to not just
blurt any freaking thing outthat comes to your look.
I understand that we're, we'reon podcasts and you're trying to
fill air time and you're likeyou know we don't want to.
(30:34):
I get that, but, man, I don'tget anybody.
Because there was a while backmy friend Kyle had this couple
on who had, like they were hugeon theology of the body and they
had like a catholic sex toyshop and I was like he caught so
(30:55):
much blowback at his parish hehad to delete the episode and
all this stuff.
And this is kind of what I'mtalking about and it's like
there's so many people who gowho think it's totally normal to
talk about this stuff and eventhe um, like the NFP
conversation that that keepscoming up.
Like there's a degree to which,when I see people having it
(31:21):
like she was just saying, youknow, like making my husband
wait this and that First off,it's a very contraceptive
mindset to have, right, likethey're basically using NFP as
contraception.
But anytime you even talk aboutthis stuff, you're letting an
inkling into your personal lifewith your spouse.
So I've seen people arguing andusing theology of the body to
(31:42):
say that you know there arethings that are allowed as long
as the finishing act is pro-liferight, or you know it's like,
and it's like whatever.
I would never have thatconversation on air because I'm
never letting anybody have aclue what I am, what my wife and
I do privately like.
That's just not a conversationI would ever have with anybody,
regardless of which side of theargument I fell on.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Yeah, the theology this is where I start to
question all these things in away where I'm genuinely
inquisitive, so like when I wenton X and I was like, okay, can
somebody explain, like I'm five,what NFP is, because I don't
understand how you would goabout it without it being a
contraceptive mindset, obviouslyin the case of a woman you know
, potentially dying if she wereto have another kid.
(32:26):
I mean, these are extremecircumstances.
But then also the theology ofthe body stuff, where it's like,
okay, well, I, where you couldgo and you know, for the sake of
it, not the, the episode notbeing struck down, you could go
and lay sod with your wife andthat's totally fine and not
disorder, so long as, like, theend result is unitive and
(32:46):
procreative.
It's like that is insane.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
that is, that's insane and any moral theologian
would literally tell you you'reinsane.
Like this is.
This is crazy, and but even theidea that somebody would speak
about that publicly a marriedperson speak about that publicly
is just like.
Why would you have thatconversation?
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I don't understand it well, because you know, women
have largely been unchecked bythis and if you were to take
like kind of a red pillperspective, it's, women are the
gatekeepers of sex, so this isperfect, perfectly permissible
for them to do this andsexualize the clergy and give us
, give us a glimpse into theirbedroom.
But if you flip this on theother side and you were talking
about a nun and how attractive aman found a nun, and then we're
(33:29):
gonna go have theseconversations, it's like what I
find so sexy about my wife isthat they, the guy, would get
blasted, and rightly so, becauseit isn't modest Like I, you
know you, we would allfraternally correct a guy like
that, but all these women arejust like yes, queen slay, and
it's just retarded, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
It's so, oh man, so I don't know, I'm I'm good.
We're going to end this segmentwith just a plea to Catholic
women who do this stuff onlinePlease stop talking to men about
these things.
This is not your place to havethese conversations.
Let other men have theseconversations with men.
I don't need to see Lila Roseand Amber going off and telling
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men how pornography has beenlike.
That is just not your place.
It's.
It's very unbecoming of a womanand I don't know.
I just I just think that you'reall embarrassing your husbands
and I think you owe him a littlebit more respect than you're
showing them.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Yeah, and secondarily to that is uh, you also don't
know how much of an occasion ofsin you might be by just simply
talking about these things.
You know when guys are reallygoing through it and they're
struggling with lust and sins ofthe flesh like that, a woman
just talking about this couldsend them over the edge, I mean.
And that's like a realconsideration to make.
It's like just stop doing it Ifit's not for your husband, do
(34:42):
it for the men that are likelargely watching you trying to
quit this stuff too.
Right, I mean, that's real.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, no, that's why I said like every one of the
conservative e-girls are thesame to me.
They're all using men'sweakness to gain notoriety, to
get to build their platform.
They know exactly what they'redoing and then they're out there
talking about this stuff andit's like it's such a
contradiction.
That's why you don't see anyunattractive conservative girl.
(35:09):
Look, fox News brings thepretty blonde on for a reason
because they know the stupid mensit there and drool over her,
even though she has nothing ofsubstance to offer to the
conversation.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah, that's absolutely it.
It's funny.
I mean, you speak out of twosides of your mouth.
There's so much cognitivedissonance when you're like
preaching about modesty and thenyou're posting a mass fit.
I just I don't understand howthe irony doesn't fall upon you,
or the hypocrisy doesn't fallupon you, to just not do that
anymore.
But I think that's also got todo partly with like kind of the
(35:40):
catechesis that we all kind ofexperience, um, as as well.
You know, if we're all seeinglike trad priests, like dude,
one of the first times I met mypriest he was calling me out on
my tattoos.
I was like thank you, father.
Like man, I've been seekingthis my whole life.
Like thank you, yes, I willcover up.
You want me to wear gloves,I'll wear gloves too.
And he's like no, it's like itkind of goes to show you like
(36:01):
how poorly catechized we've allbeen, not just by our parents
but also by the church, right,like it's a real problem,
dropped the ball on us, um, uh,and this, this is important too,
right?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I think most people think modesty ends with attire
conversation is immodest, whiletelling men to control it.
That's what.
That's what my biggest issuewith this whole thing was.
It's the immodesty of theconversation in public that you
this isn't a women's group.
It's just not like.
It's just not a women's group.
(36:32):
It's a very public conversationthat now is going viral and
it's being critiqued byeverybody out on the like.
You never know what's going togo viral.
You have no idea.
We're all putting stuff outthere every day and every once
in a while something takes off.
But the way that clip wasedited, man, it just seems like
such a total lack ofself-awareness, or just the
(36:53):
reading the room to me.
So I, you know, I'm pleadingwith you women, because you are
my catholic sisters and I don'twant to see any.
I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
I don't want to see you discourage the young men
that I talk to any more than youalready have if you just they
just took this kind of energyand uh, talk to women about
submission and patriarchy, howmuch better would them be, they,
they, would never, no, ofcourse not.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
They would never like .
Honestly, think about that,like, think about if, if they
actually talked about submissionto, to their husbands, instead
of just presenting this girlboss thing and I have to be the
the, the center of every oh man,it's such a oh, you, you, you
(37:41):
catholic women out there, Idon't know what you're going to
do if you're looking for stuffto listen to, because I don't
know the reality of it is a lotof this content.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
If we're not like being prudent and tempered with
how we go about it myselfincluded if we're not like
restrained, we don't think aboutit like this stuff will send us
to hell, yeah.
So like we should have probablyall contemplate that a little
bit harder and bring this to ourconfessors as well, because
that's just that's a good idea,because many of these things
should not be spoken about.
And it's like, if you're nottrying to actually like edify
(38:09):
your audience with you know true, holy things, and you're just,
you know, doing the for clicksor whatever and then doubling
down on it, it's like I just Ifear for your soul.
So like sister, you knowbrother to sister type of thing,
like being real, not just beingmelodramatic, being real.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, this is true too, molly, like women should be
.
It shouldn't be me and yougetting on and telling these
women that this is so wrong.
It should be other womengetting on and telling these
women, like shaming these womenfor like being so immodest on on
air.
You know All right, so we dohave other stuff we're going to
cover.
I got this one, this this girlit's this this girl bugging out
(38:49):
because of her student debt, andI thought it was interesting,
because everybody's ragging onthe girl and I kind of think
that it's the parents more thanthe girls.
So I want to see your take onthis.
Let me see.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
As it turns out, the student loans that I've been
paying $1,500 a month for fortwo years have a 17% interest
rate.
So what I thought I've beenpaying off for all this time,
I'm actually like I owe morethan what I started off with.
What the fuck, so job?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
well, you get the gist right.
So I didn't realize it was.
I should have probably.
Well, you get the gist right,so I didn't realize it was.
I should have probably proofwatched that it's been a couple
of days.
Where's Rob?
Sorry, rob usually does screenmy stuff.
So everybody was giving thisgirl a hard time because she
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basically she's been paying herstudent loans for two years,
like 1500 a month, and she owesmore than she borrowed.
And it's like you know, there'sthis whole conversation around
college debt forgiveness andstuff, and but so much of this,
I see, is because of parentsencouraging their daughters
(40:09):
specifically to go off and getthemselves buried in this kind
of debt, and so much of it isnot even about that.
The parents want their daughterto be successful, but they want
to brag on their Facebook aboutwhat their daughter's doing.
So when, um, a couple of monthsback, my, my daughter graduated
(40:29):
, all of her friends did thisthing on Instagram where the
parents would buy a whole bunchof memorabilia from the college
that they're going to and thegirls would lay on their bed
with all the college memorabiliaaround them and the parents
would take pictures and post iton Instagram.
And it was such a debauchedthing that was happening,
(40:49):
because it's like, first off,you just know these girls are
going to get buried in debt,drag that debt into their
families.
But so much of it was justabout these mothers wanting to
tell their friends well, mydaughter's going to this college
, my daughter's going to thiscollege, and meanwhile they're
sending their daughters off togo live some disgusting
(41:10):
lifestyle in college where noneof them have any kind of moral
upbringing, where they're goingto have any kind of defense
against the men who are going toprey on them when they go to
college.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
And so much of this is the parents, in my opinion
yeah, I mean, they're shippingthem off to be dysfunctional men
, so it's ultimately what it is.
And then they're going to goand, you know, lord forbid, get
ran through, and then, by thetime they're past 30, they're
making whatever they're making,still buried in death.
They wonder why they can't finda man.
And then, you know, thedepression sits, sinks in, the
reality sinks in.
And I particularly have a softspot, you know, as you do,
(41:38):
because you've got daughters too.
I look at my two little girlsand like I'm constantly thinking
about their future, like what Iwant them to do I know for sure
I'm not sending them to college, like that's just not, that's
not what's going to happen.
Most of these issues I meaneven the issue that we're just
(42:03):
talking about at the beginninguh, it comes down to just, I
think, poor fatherhood and alack of leadership.
It's what it is this.
This poor girl has been shippedoff.
Her dad doesn't give a ripabout what's going on with her
and her debt situation, didn'twant to pay for her tuition and
then also to compound that justshifts her off to college.
He's probably I mean and I'veseen these videos too, so I
don't want to, you know, accusethis, this woman's father in
particular, but where the manwill buy his daughter.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Contraception, like my goodness me those men should
be put up.
They should be publicly likethat's the most disgusting thing
ever, man, and and and they doit publicly as a virtue signal
like they're doing somethinggood.
But the look that like.
When, when my daughter wasconsidering like what her, what
she's going to go and do likethe first, when my daughter was
(42:38):
considering like what her, whatshe's going to go and do, like,
the first thing I said was youare not going off to get buried
in debt to bring that debt toyour family.
It's not happening.
Like, there's no scenario wherethat's happening.
I'm not even going to send youoff to college where I don't
even have to get to keep an eye.
It's not happening.
So we had to figure somethingelse out for her.
I don even have to get to keepan eye.
(42:59):
It's not happening, so we hadto figure something else out for
her.
I don't understand and and thethe thing is like I saw it.
I saw it in my wife where shefelt like oh, what am I going to
tell people my daughter's doinglike that?
Because, like all the women arelike, and I'm just like, I
don't care, it's, it doesn'tmatter, and that's kind of the
thing we're talking about withwhen the man kind of has to take
(43:20):
a a a a position in somethingand say and he has to say no
sometimes, because I, I think somany men just don't want to say
no to a situation they know isgoing to be terrible, but they
just don't want to make theirwife angry and have the fight.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
Yeah, or their, their extended family.
I mean, this is something thatI've had to face and it really
reveals to you that even, like Imean, many good people don't
realize how covertlyindoctrinated by feminism
they've been.
So like I remember I mean andGod bless her soul, like you
know, my mom was sitting and mymom's an angel.
I love her so much.
So this is not, you know, medisparaging her, but she's like
what are you guys going to bewhen you get older?
(43:59):
Like a doctor or a lawyer?
I said ma, ma, ma, like ma, ma.
I said I love you, like and Iwould never disrespect you, but
they're going to be mothers andwives and she's like kind of
goes that we have to do and whocares?
I mean, eventually, what I'vecome to know too, with not
vaccinating my kids,homeschooling them, my wife
(44:20):
being at home and all this stuff.
Eventually, guys, if you justhold the line, people leave you
alone, and not just they don'tjust leave you alone, they
respect you and then they startto ask questions because they
see how well ordered your lifeis.
What's, by the grace of god?
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I've told this story on air.
I was.
This was.
I think it was at Christmaslast year or maybe the year
before.
My in-laws were all asking mydaughter cause she was coming up
finishing school.
And they're like, oh, what areyou going to go to school for?
What are you going to do?
And she's like I want to be amom.
And they were like, they actedlike she just dropped it.
You can't, what do you mean?
(44:58):
You just want to be that,you're just going to be a mom.
And I was just like, can youall stop feeding feminism to my
daughter right now?
Like my daughter gave the mostamazing answer imaginable and
you're.
And the crazy part was it wasall stay-at-home moms who were
giving.
They're all stay-at-home moms.
My mother-in-law stayed home,my wife stays over.
My wife wasn't adding to this,obviously, but all my
sisters-in-law stayed home.
My wife stays over.
My wife wasn't adding to this,obviously, but all my
(45:19):
sisters-in-law all stay home.
And they're telling my daughterthat she needs to go be the
girl.
And I'm like not one of you didthis.
Why are you pushing this on herwhen all of you were happy
being home?
Speaker 5 (45:29):
And it's because there there's so much media
coming at women these days,telling them like you need to be
able to have your own way toprovide, because when your
husband abandoned you, becausethey all just assume divorce is
coming now, it's a it's a crazything well, the cover color
revolution has largely beenlargely been successful in
indoctrinating people in such away where, like your situation
(45:52):
isn't is one thing and you'rewishing so and I'd like to think
that you know from your family,or from my family, it comes
from a good place, it's notcoming from a evil intention.
You know there's not, there'sno malice there.
I I'd like to think at all.
Maybe I'm naive, but I'mcurious man like how old are
your daughters?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
because you got three kids right, two girls yeah yeah
, my uh 17 and 14 are my girlsand my son's 19, so what are?
Speaker 5 (46:15):
your.
You said that you wereinquiring.
This is I'm just curious.
I don't know.
We don't have to stay on this,but I'm curious with your
daughters, especially one beingclose to college age, like what
is she going to do?
I know she said she wasinquiring about us.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
What are you guys doing?
We put her in an estheticianprogram so she's going to learn
to do like cosmetics, facials,things like that, and I figured
that was something, because I'mokay with her working until she
meets a spouse.
And then I figured, after she'smarried, if she ever had to do
something from home to maybehelp out, maybe, you know, like
a little studio from home orsomething like that, but it's
(46:47):
going to be absolutely no debtinvolved with it, it's going to
be paid off and that's like thatwas the best option I saw, as
opposed to her working in a fastfood place or something like
that, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:58):
Yeah, and did she feel compelled to do something
like that?
Was that like, hey, I want towork.
Yeah, Like I'm curious CauseI'm like looking into the future
.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I mean my little my girls are so little like four
and two.
So the way I'm, the way I seeit, is, I think that, like
there's situations where,especially if she meets a guy
who's not loaded right andthey're just trying to make ends
meet, I want her to havesomething where she could bring
a little something extra and,like my wife does, uh like and
(47:26):
she doesn't really do it anymorebecause she doesn't need to
anymore, but she did for yearsshe would do infant photography,
so like people would havenewborn infants and she would
take pictures of their newborninfants.
She would take pregnancypictures of the girls, like
maternity pictures and stuff,and for years that helped us
like get by.
You know, it was when, whentimes were hard.
So I think it's good for womento have a little bit of a thing
(47:48):
where, like my wife would takepictures for an hour and then
she'd be able to edit them fromhome, so she didn't have to be
out in the world, like she wasnever working in a workplace or
anything like that.
She was able to do this thingfrom home.
So I think it's okay if womenhave a little bit of a side
hustle that they could do fromtheir house.
It doesn't interfere with theirmother.
You know, being a mother, beinga housewife, things like that.
So I think any guys that havedaughters have to try to like
(48:12):
encourage their daughters to dosomething like that Now.
Hopefully she never needs it,but if she ever had to in a time
of emergency, it would be there.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
Yeah, so long as it came secondary to you know.
The vocation of mother and wife, of course.
Yeah, that's interesting.
I know my friend, will Nolan,is no different.
I think his older daughter isworking simply for that reason.
So when she goes into that role, they've got you know money to
bring to the table.
When she goes into that thatrole, they've got you know money
to bring to the table, let'ssay the guy them getting married
(48:40):
young.
It's not, I mean, unless thefamily comes from a loaded
background.
That makes sense.
I wrestle with this all thetime because I can idealize in
my mind all I want when my girlsare really little, and then you
know once the rubber meets theroad.
When they're older it's adifferent story.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, you have to arrange for them to meet
somebody.
But it's to me it was mainlylike the.
The biggest problems I see insociety are anytime women are in
the workplace, where they're ina co-ed environment.
That is a nightmare scenario.
If your daughter, like, if awoman is working for a man, I'm
sorry she's his boss.
(49:23):
The husband is never going tobe her boss, like it's just yeah
, it's just what's going tohappen.
Like if you look up online,there's women will search out
why am I attracted to my boss?
Because your boss is thentaking the role of your husband,
essentially, you know so.
So I I think, um, like my.
And then I have a sister whodoes like, um, she does.
(49:43):
She has like a little hairsalon in her house and she'll do
like she has like a bunch ofgirl clients, she, she, she come
and she, she does hair style,like something like that I think
is acceptable.
You know, I think my wife doingthe photography thing is
acceptable.
It's just women being out inthe workforce I think is just
disastrous for marriages.
I mean, you look at the divorcerate after World War II and
(50:04):
that's not just because no faultdivorce was passed, it's
because women are now in a co-edwork environment and, I'm sorry
, when you put men and womentogether that are not married,
it's just going to happen, andthat is what causes 90% of
divorces.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Yeah, no, that's very prudent.
It was no different with mywife.
We always knew she was going tostay at home.
But then when we moved here,we're building this house and
moving our lives to a completelydifferent place it's like, okay
, well, I've got to rebuild mybusiness and although we're in a
decent position, it was a meansto an end, it was a bridge.
She worked from home, entirelyfrom home, never went to the
office until that point wherethere was that crossover
(50:42):
threshover, like yeah, now youdon't have to do this anymore,
like we're good, don't worryabout it, and praise.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
God, that's exactly what happened with us.
It was like a couple of yearswhere, like it's just, you want
to avoid any kind you don't want, like there's a moral
obligation you have to make sureyour children don't bring
hundreds of thousands of dollarsof debt into their marriage,
and that's for your sons too, Ithink.
(51:08):
Like you know, unless, unlessyour son is going to go for some
specialized thing that makesthe debt he's incurring an
actual investment, I don't seehow you can justify bringing
$200,000 in student debt into amarriage when you still have to
buy a home and homes are insaneat this point.
So I mean, I think the whole,the whole university and college
(51:32):
system is so messed up.
Like they talk about debtforgive, college debt
forgiveness.
How about we just get thefricking interest in check, like
you do that, and it would cut,like most of people's misery off
and you wouldn't have to fundcutting people's debt off.
It's just, it is predatorylending to kids who don't know
any better because they're beingtold no, you have to go to
(51:53):
college to be successful andmeanwhile half the jobs these
kids are going to school for aregoing to be taken over by AI at
this point.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, you're right.
I mean if the future were kindof what you're doing with your
daughters, primarily focusing onthe vocation making a little
bit of money until there's thatcrossover point, doing something
from home, not in a co-edenvironment, and on the flip
side, with young boys.
I just had a son and I'malready starting to think about
this way, way, way, two decadesin advance.
It's no, I don't have abusiness to give him.
(52:21):
He's getting into the tradesand it's going to be like just
bash into his brain early, early, early on, not just practically
, but it's also not as expensive, not nearly.
And the level of mastery andcompensation that comes with
that, I mean dude.
And the level of mastery andcompensation that comes with
that, I mean dude.
All the guys that I grew upwith that got into trades are
comfortable men now.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
What happened to me.
My son is doing a weldingprogram and it's going to be
like 10 grand for him to getcertified in all his welding.
And then he's talking aboutlike, once he gets that
certification he might go forlike aeronautics welding or
underwater welding and like getspecialized in that thing.
So it's all his friends aregoing away for like computer
(53:02):
this and computer that, and I'mlike these kids, those, those
jobs will not exist in 15, 10years.
In 10 years these kids aregoing to get out of school.
They're gonna have 200 000 indebt and they're gonna go oh,
can I get a job that now the aiprogram takes care of that.
So I mean I, I do construction.
I.
The only reason I didn't bringmy son where I am is because the
commute is so bad and it takesyears off your life.
Speaker 5 (53:21):
So yeah, let me see if I can get him into something
like this, which and if they'vegot some semblance of
intelligence to work, ethic too,like once you're a certified
electrician, hvac electrician ora plumber, what have you?
Um, uh, it's a license to printmoney.
If you have an entrepreneurialmind, yep 100.
And it's low-key, you've gotcontracts.
(53:42):
You don't have to worry aboutleads because, like, you're in
demand, you need it's.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Just if I had to go back and do it all over again
and not be like retarded like Iwas, that's what I would do yeah
, um, yeah, I mean I, I thinkespecially there's going to be a
huge comeback in the tradesjust because of the coming
technological revolution that'supon us.
But like, even podcastingthough, jim, like like I know
(54:07):
you're goofing around but thething is this market is going to
be so oversaturated, like it's.
It's even so different now thanit was three or four years ago.
It's even so different now thanit was three or four years ago,
and pretty much everybody thatis becoming successful in this
has some kind of money behindthem to build, build their thing
behind them.
Like there's very few guys whoare just organically pulling off
(54:30):
growing a platform anymore.
Thank you, mimi, you're thebest.
There's one thing I want to endon before we go over to locals,
and it kind of adds in with thiswhole theme that we've been
going with, and there's thisclip of Ruslan discussing.
(54:51):
There was that pastor that wason CNN, I think Doug Wilson was
on CNN talking about talkingabout patriarchy, and I just
kind of want to finish upbecause this whole, this whole
episode has kind of been on this.
So let's just I just kind ofwant to show you guys how the
longhouse is permeatedeverywhere, because what he says
is going to sound reasonable,but it's just not.
(55:13):
It's just another example ofthe longhouse.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Some of his Christian movement is on a patriarchal
society where men are dominantand women are expected to submit
to their husbands.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, I think this is where they start losing.
I don't know if he holds hisview, but like Joe Webben thinks
like women should lose theirright to vote, you know.
So I think, like I'm with you,I'm like uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh,
and then they like backdoor,something like yeah, women are
kind of subhuman and shouldn'tvote.
They're creating the image ofgod.
But you know, I'm not sayingthat, I'm not saying that's like
they're officially, but like wehad joe webbitt on and he's
(55:44):
like flat out, like do you thinkit's a little bit of a straw
man?
They use the word dominatewhere men dominate their spouse.
I think dominate, I don't know,I don't know, I don't know how
they mean it like as acomplementarian, I think men of
the head.
As a complementarian, I thinkyou should be the head of your
household, meaning that there isa time and a place where you
may have to have a trump cardover an issue where,
hypothetically, you and yourwife are divided on this, this
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poison doctrine that is outthere of mutual submission.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
It is so insane.
No, there are not certainsituations where you have to be
able to pull the trump cardbecause you're the head of the
home hypothetically anthonyhypothetically, medically, there
might be no.
You are either the priest ofyour home, like, okay, so look,
I've had arguments with peoplebecause I've said that your wife
(56:39):
is actually your spiritualchild.
Right, so you are the priest ofyour home.
It is your actual, your role asthe husband to get your wife to
heaven.
Like if I decided we are notgoing to go to mass anymore, my,
my wife would follow me.
I mean, maybe not, but therewas a time where she would have.
Now I don't think she would.
But the point being, youactually have an obligation to
(57:04):
be the care, like the priest ofthe souls, of everybody in your
care, in your home, and thatstarts with your wife.
Your wife is your spiritualchild.
Now, she also has a spiritualmotherhood over your children
and obviously a naturalmotherhood too.
But you are first and foremostthe priest in your home, and
it's not a hypotheticalsituation.
At all times you are the headof the home and you will have to
(57:27):
give an answer to God if yourwife does not get to heaven.
Speaker 5 (57:31):
Well, that's absolutely right.
And let's not forget, too, thatthe only bit of authority a
woman has over you is over yourbody.
As husband and wife, you havecomplete authority over your
family, complete, like you canbless them.
You have complete authority.
But that's not for you, it'sfor them.
So that's exactly what you'resaying.
I think you know you couldalready start to hear this guy's
(57:53):
wheels start to click, hismouth goes dry and he's like
hypothetically maybe certainit's like it's okay to say that
yeah, no, I have to say no to mywife.
I do say no to my wife andsometimes she'll buck up against
it.
That's okay.
That's because she's a fallenhuman being, just like I'm a
(58:14):
fallen human being.
She takes my crap.
I think what Will Tim and I havespoken at length about is, of
course I go to my wife when I'mmaking decisions, not to ask her
permission, but I know she'sprudent, she's genuine of heart
and she's got the best interestof our family in mind.
But she knows damn well, thelast word is mine.
(58:35):
That's not to say she'sbanished to this corner of the
home.
I'm trying to help my wife asmuch as I can on a daily basis
and reduce her stress, but Iknow my place, she knows hers,
and when it comes down to it,it's not this trump card, it's
called being a man.
That's all it is, and there's away to say that lovingly too.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
This isn't about being a monster in your home or
anything.
This isn't about like being amonster in your home or anything
.
It's just like you're what.
My wife doesn't want to be me.
She just doesn't want to be me.
She's like I don't want theburdens you have on you, I don't
.
She just would never want theburdens that I have on me and I
(59:14):
would never want hers.
I don't.
I want you.
Know, they're just different.
They're just totally differentand it's.
But this idea of mutualsubmission is just so upside
down to me.
It's, and it comes into parishlife when priests are submitting
to the, to the parish, insteadof the priest being the father
of the parish and saying no, no,no, this is for your spiritual
(59:35):
good.
I'm doing this thing because Iknow it's what's best for you.
I don't care if you're upsetabout it.
This needs to be done, like ifmore priests would actually have
that authority about them, youcould fix the church really
quick, because it really is acrisis of fatherhood.
And if priests actually juststarted saying like no, I'm
sorry we're doing this thing,because this is actually because
(59:58):
a priest is going to have toanswer to God for every soul in
his care as well.
It's the same thing in yourhome, and, especially because we
have such a weak priesthood atthe moment, you have even higher
of a demand to be the priest ofyour home.
Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Yeah, and to all the men that are husbands and
fathers that listen to this, Imean this should weigh on your
soul more than anything else.
I mean it does.
I feel it every day.
It's like one of the thingsthat I pray about the most.
It's like I, every time I go toconfession, every time I go to
mass, there is this weight thatI'm like and this is that's,
ultimately, was the revelationthat brought me to Catholicism.
It heaven.
Like how am I going to be ableto make an account for this
(01:00:37):
properly?
Boom, here I am in the church.
Like this should weigh on yoursoul.
You know, this is not abouttyranny.
This is not about wielding thishammer.
No, it's about it is going totest your ability to lead, not
because leadership is for you,it's for your family, it's for
God.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
That's how you get yourself to heaven too.
If men actually understood howmuch authority that God has
given them as men and how theyyou are you are the Christ
figure to your family it shouldactually make you tremble in
fear, like you should actuallytremble in fear because it is
(01:01:15):
such a huge responsibility thatGod has put on men.
I promise you women that thinkthey want that responsibility
they don't know what they'reasking for.
Like they don't understand whatthey are asking for, because it
is terrifying when you thinkabout every single thing you are
going to be held to account forin how you ruled your family as
a man.
(01:01:35):
It's scary stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Well, especially, I mean, I mean, you know, material
provision is just a foot in thedoor, although a big
responsibility, but it's, it'sthe spiritual formation you are.
You catechize your family.
You are actually, quiteliterally, the priest of the
home.
So, number one, if you're notgetting right with god, staying
in a state of grace, likedenouncing vices in your life,
working toward virtue, buildinga robust interior life,
andifying yourself, like that's,those graces aren't just for
(01:02:00):
you.
You know, like when I go toconfession, like I feel prompted
because, of course, like I, Ifear God out of love for him,
but it's also my family getsbestowed with those graces as
well.
I've noticed that thetransformation has had on, on,
on on our lives as well.
And if you're not leading inprayer, if you're not teaching
(01:02:22):
them, yeah, your, your wife will, but it won't stick to the same
degree.
It is fundamentally different,like the authority that's given
to us as father and motherrespectively, fundamentally
different.
This should make you shakeevery time you're in the
confessional.
It should make you shake.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, there's a couple of things.
So your kids are still little.
I remember when my kids weregrowing up there was a couple of
things I did with them.
Um, one of them was, if theyever had something weighing on
their conscience and they cameand told me, just because it was
weighing on their conscienceand not because they were going
to get caught, but like if theyjust came to me and said, daddy,
I did this wrong, they wouldget like a, an act of Jubilee
(01:02:58):
for me, like they would get anact of mercy from me and they
would never face consequencesfor it.
Right?
So if they, if they came to meas if they were confessing to me
, I would just grant themabsolution.
I don't care how, how bad itwas.
Um, the other thing I told themwas if, if we go to mass and
you're in a state of mortal sinand you can't receive, I will
never ask you why.
(01:03:18):
I will never ask my child whythey did not receive.
I will make sure they're atconfession, that you know as
soon as possible, but I'll neverask my children why didn't you
receive?
It's just something that that'sbetween them and God, and I
think it's a greater sin forthem to receive in a state of
mortal sin than it is for themto, you know, not want to tell
me they did something wrong.
(01:03:40):
Um, and then, um, there was oneother one that I did with them,
uh, growing up, like, especiallyif they wronged their sibling,
like they, if they came and toldme about it, I would just it
would.
It would be something wherethey wouldn't get in trouble,
like I wanted to show them agreat act of what it's like for
for God to be merciful to themand also how important it was to
(01:04:04):
, um, not ever receive our Lordwhen you were in a state of
mortal sin.
Those are two, two lessons thatI think I really did a good job
with them on.
And even to this day, my kidswill come to me before mass and
they'll say, hey, can we go toconfession before mass?
Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
that's beautiful man.
I'll just stick those, both ofthose in, uh, in my back pocket,
particularly the one where they, you know, they, they admit to
you, um, what they've done wrong, and then you're kind of like,
you're kind of acting in persona, christi, almost in a way, and
saying, hey, like we're all good, I'm actually not going to
punish you.
That's powerful man.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I appreciate you sharing that yeah, so, um, all
right, so we're going to go overto locals.
I got a couple other things.
Let me see what I got over forlocals.
I got a bunch of stuff.
Uh, let's see, um I got.
I have the new york post put outum an article about this guy
(01:04:56):
who took his own life, and oneof the quotes from the article
said it was Chase's own decisionto enter heaven.
His light will continue toshine eternally in the hearts of
all those he touched throughouthis remarkable, though far too
brief life.
Now I want to talk about howridiculous it is that we spout
these platitudes to people aboutthe reality of hell and the
(01:05:20):
reality of if somebody does taketheir life, like you.
Like, we have to get back totelling people the truth about
things, because it's actuallyleading people to think you can
do something like that andyou're now an angel in heaven or
something.
So we're going to talk aboutthat.
I got a bunch of other stufftoo.
If you guys are not locals,members, come over to locals.
That's where we have the moreyeah, and I'll get a little more
(01:05:42):
personal over there too.
So we're heading over there.
We're not going to do somefancy.
Outro, mike, you got anythingto?
Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
promote.
Before we go, the only thingI'll say is I've been really
passionate about my YouTubechannel lately.
I've been really enjoying thefeedback, so just go subscribe.
Mike Pantile on YouTube.
I dropped some merch.
You want to grab some Cool?
Go ahead.
Otherwise, just pleasesubscribe.
I'd appreciate that more thananything.
Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah and hit like and subscribe this video.
And Rob and I got our merchshop fixed, so we were having a
problem with our merch shoporiginally.
We have a new vendor, so if youguys do want to grab your, have
you accepted Mary as yourpersonal mother and intercessor
shirt?
Or I'm religious, not spiritual.
We got a couple of those upthere.
So go buy our merch too andwe'll see you guys on the other
(01:06:25):
side.
Let me see how that'll cut allthese feeds.
Now.
This is always awkward.
Used to be like you just usedto be able to just hit one or
two buttons and it would go.
Well, you need a producer, bro.
Yeah.
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