Matt Fradd and Voice of Reason Excommunicate Everyone

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
We declare him excommunicate and anathema.
We cast him into the outerdarkness.
We judge him damned with thedevil and his fallen angels and
all the reprobate to eternalfire and everlasting pain the

(00:37):
longer I looked at that, thebetter it got that was peak rob.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
That was no, it wasn't me that is all taffy that
was fresh for me seeing it.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
I did not know that was coming.
I had no idea.
Wow, taffy has outdone himself.
Whose idea was that?
Yours or taffy's?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
that was me.
I'm like could you put voice ofreason or matt frad's face on
beckett the beckettexcommunication oh my gosh, what
a he said he first tried voiceof reason's face with a
sylvester stallone voice, butdidn't work so well holy cow.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
That is too freaking funny.
Look who's back.
Oh boy, he's back we goteveryone's excited so it's not
just that nick, nick that Nickthe Child became a man.
Yesterday he turned 27 yearsold man.
How was your birthday?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I was honestly pretty chill.
I think I know I'm getting oldbecause I spent half the day
feeling like slightly sick andtaking a nap, so that was most
of my birthday, when you hit 30,the gray starts coming in.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
That's when you're like, oh my gosh, what's going
on here?
The gray starts coming in.
That's when you're like, oh mygosh, what's coming on here?
Oh my, the gray is coming in.
So, all right, we got a lot ofstuff to cover tonight and the
reason nick stopped coming onour show so much is because we
were doing so much gossip andnick was scheduled to come on
the show.
And and then I'm like nick, areyou gonna be okay with, like,
nick's not really a participantin this.
He did not want to do this.

(02:03):
This is 100 me, me, my idea.
I determine what we talk about.
Nick did not have anything todo with this.
Rob has no choice ever to doanything but what I say.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I take full responsibility for this show
though, to be fair, once I sawthe clip you sent, I was like,
oh yeah, we're going at it now,that's, that's, now, that is.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
What do you call that ?
My brain blanks when I'm doingthis show sometimes.
Caveat, it's caveat number one.
Caveat number two is justbecause we are going to comment
on Matt Fradd and Voice ofReason does not mean we don't
like Matt Fradd or Voice ofReason.

(02:47):
We are not trying to humiliatethem.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm pretty sure, I do not like Voice of Reason, I
don't know him at all.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I have no relationship with him whatsoever
.
But I'm not telling people theycan't like Matt Fradd, that's
not what I'm doing here.
We're going to criticize thingsthat they spoke about.
Now, the other thing is thatI'm sure Matt's going to watch
this and I hope he laughs at theintro.

(03:19):
It's also okay not to likepeople.
Yeah, that is true, but I dolike Matt.
But there's another angle tothis in that, uh, he hasn't had
us on and the beatings willcontinue because you haven't had
us on it's like you could havehad us on.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
You chose voice of reason instead, and now we're
going to abuse you and this issaying about it uh, it's easier
to attract bees with honey orsomething like that no, no,
anthony goes to the stick rightaway.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
No, no to me.
It's like, it's more like I'mmuch better as your friend than
your enemy.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
And this of the bronx tale.
He's just like yeah, you workyou work for me.
I won't get you.
You get my way.
I offered you a job.
I will beat you.
I will live in this hand.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Look, it's like this.
It's like having us on earlierwould have been like protection
money, and then, if anybodywould have made a comment about
Matt Fradd, they would have hadto, I would have jumped down
their throat.
But now, now the problems, comeyour way.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know, back when we were just 1,000, 2,000 subs,
they didn't want to have us onbecause they didn't want you to
get big.
You'd be a problem then.
Well, now you got big withoutthem having you on, so you're
even more of a problem.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
And the other thing is look, you're not going to
have voice of reason on.
Make a whole bunch of commentsabout trads and then when we go
and have a, have something tosay about it, we're the bad guy
like.
That's just not how this workswell that you had them on.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Always works with trads, though I don't really
care.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
You guys had you guys wanted to discuss this, you had
a little fantasy aboutexcommunicating taylor marshall,
you know.
Oh, if I was pope I'd burn allthe trads at the stake.
I, I get it.
I get it, but we're going tohave a couple things to say
about this.
That's all I'm saying.
So those are my caveats.
Nicholas, come on.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Having AB on is like having your drunk uncle on yes.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, I heard somebody.
All right, so we're going toget to a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
We actually have a of uh anthony's uh grandma with uh
one of anthony's nephews yeah,let's, let's see this video,
let's see that.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Let me pull it up here.
Let's see, you should play thereal one first no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
We need to show them the video of your family.
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Here we go.
Yo guys, we're at NonnaGracie's house right now.
Just made fresh pasta andmeatballs.
Let's get ready to try.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Oh wow, you like the meatballs and pasta.
Oh my God, it's beautiful,anthony, I was coming any time
to have my meatball and pasta.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
That was so bad.
Turn it off.
That's homosexual propaganda,right.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Disturbing that was.
You know what else I realizedthe other day.
We had the Lore Lodge guy on,we had Aiden on and our comments
lambasted us and excoriated us.
They did, for that is that,whatever the word is, and I
didn't take it as they didn'tlike us, it's like they were not

(06:36):
happy with the interview we did, so they were like lambasting
us in the comments and it's justlike all right, you know, I
deserved it, I guess someoneliterally said uh, curses be
upon you and your children.
So we had a free basin on ohbrother, um, so, uh, yeah, we're
gonna get into some of this.
So I I got three uh clips,essentially.

(06:57):
So the reason we came on earlytonight is because I have to
work, uh, basically not in anight shift, but I have to.
I have to leave my house at 2am, so there's not going to be a
local show tonight, but wedidn't want to cancel the show
totally.
Plus, it's the Feast of CorpusChristi and Nick is going to try
and make it to Mass.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I don't know this Hortoland, it's not.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, well, not on Thursday at least, right it
would be beautiful.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's actually like probably 40 feet from where I'm
at and it's going to be acompletely nice like sung mass
Corpus Christi with processions,so pretty nice.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Novus Ordo doesn't have Corpus Christi today.
They have a Juneteenth liturgy.
That's so true, that will be aholy day of obligation.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
We got it in our diocese.
Our diocese put out today inSpanish, celebrating diversity
and inclusion, celebratingJuneteenth, the beauty of the
human creation, yada, yada, yada.
I'm like.
You know, half of your biggestdonors in our diocese are in
mass in a hall because they'renot allowed to be inside of a
church.

(07:58):
Why are we prioritizing thisweird, woke nonsense?

Speaker 4 (08:02):
It is what it is, but like weird woke nonsense is
what it is.
But the detroit archdiocesetoday put out a statement about
juneteenth and next week latinmasses get canceled in that
diocese, exactly like that'scompletely insane.
Um, I did not hear this, uh, Idid not see this.
So it says can you comment onconnor gallagher complaining to

(08:22):
father murray that the SSPX hasmore rights to offer the TLM
than we do?
It's not fair.
I did not see that, so I don't.
Really there's not much I cancomment on that.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And then somebody, before the show even started,
said To be fair, they have morerights because they didn't give
them up.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Then somebody said there was a.
There is new credible forensicevidence that Sister Lucy was
replaced.
Face and handwriting belongs totwo individuals.
It'd be interesting to heardoctor Good luck pronouncing
that name Present the evidenceon your channel.
Ok, we'll check into that.
But thank you, and that's 10euros.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh, that's like 50.
Sister Lucia, I gotta admit.
Admit is what it is.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
So remember when someone gave us a hundred of
like argentinian dollars orwhatever it was and we were so
excited.
It was like it was like 14cents.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Uh, how about matt and voice dreaming up a new
liturgy while they go?
So let's get into it all right.
So here's, here's the let's getall right.
Let just play the first clipand we'll go from there, because
there's plenty to say.
We got three clips, essentially.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
After we got our USAID money back, we were able
to rehire Nick.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
So a couple more caveats real quick is that these
are just clips.
If you want to see the fullcontext, you guys have to go and
watch the interview yourself,but you know they deserve to.
Guys have to go and watch theinterview yourself, but, uh, you
know they deserve to be uhcommented on.
When I watch, I I went throughthe interview.
I didn't watch the whole thing.
I went through, like, thetitles of the different segments
and I picked a couple ofsegments that I knew would be a

(09:55):
little bit spicy and I kind ofjust clipped those.
So I didn't some clips that Ididn't post on twitter today too
.
So we're gonna play two that Iposted on twitter and then one
that I didn't post because Iwanted to save some some fresh
stuff for you guys on here.
So let's uh, let's get to it.
Number one which one uh, thefirst one.
I sent them in three in order.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Okay, just started number one that's see like that
and I'm not saying it's not okay, it just sometimes feels like
we're part of different churches.
So the the readings right.
I don't think a dyed in thewool trad would be open to this,

(10:34):
but I'd like them at least toentertain the possibility that
for the traditional latin massto continue, it would need to
incorporate the new calendar andthe new readings.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yes, that's exactly what I said when I was with
Michael Lofton.
I said I would keep the TLMthen with the option to do it in
the vernacular if people wantit in the vernacular, but you
could also, you know, Latinwould be essential for certain
parts.
The TLM with the Novus Ordolectionary and the Novus Ordo
calendar, and I feel like that'sa good way to kind of make
everybody happy.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
I think you'd piss everybody off, you wouldn't piss
the novus auto off and you'dyou'd be open to yeah.
But you know that's what's sodifficult when you start
identifying as trad and youreally ensconce yourself.
In that corner there's nothingthat will actually yeah, that's
what I would do yeah, and Ithink so yeah, I like that
that's what I wouldexcommunicate all of the.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
And I would excommunicate and the next clip
is going to pick up right fromthat and then I would
excommunicate everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
He can't even speak in the vernacular.
Why does he want his mass inthe vernacular?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
So, alright, a couple things about this clip Now.
We all know my biggest problemwith Alex Urado whatever the
hell his name is is that you'rea freaking Mexican bro, like
you're a Mexican Novus OrdoCatholic.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
You have some freaking nerve, honestly you
only ended up in the Easternliturgy because you're a
cowardly.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Novus Ordo Bishop canceled your mass, so now you
go to the East, along with guyslike Michael Lofton and Fred, to
Fred to now, I don't.
I don't know if Fred still goesto a Byzantine liturgy, because
to the East, along with guyslike Michael Lofton and frat too
.
Frat too, now I don't.
I don't know if frat still goesto a Byzantine liturgy, cause
he's in Austria right now andI'm sure there's no Byzantine
right down there.
He's probably stuck at somecrappy or sharing Nova Zordo.
But, um, so somebody said todaythey were like uh, matt should

(12:20):
have to go to some terrible NovaZordo liturgy so that he fully
understands the trad argument.
And I said, no, actually heshould go to a Latin mass for
six months is what he should do,because it's.
It's really annoying to listento people who don't actually
have any insight into thetraditional Latin mass and the
people who actually attend itsit here and make comments on

(12:44):
the Tradosphere or what they can, what they perceive as the
Tradosphere.
It's like because the clipwe're going to play later is
really ironic, because the twoof them sit there and they
complain about all the thingsthat trads complain about.
So it's like they have allthese complaints about the trads
because the trads are this andthe trads are that.
And then they go on.

(13:05):
Because Alex had, matt askedhim if you were Pope, what would
you do?
And I should wait for that clip.
But it just, it just seemedcompletely insane to me that two
guys who escaped to the eastwhich I don't have a problem
with, I've said this before Likemy friend, bobby goes, goes to
a business in litururgy, but hegoes to escape the novus ordo
because he doesn't want to sitat some cringe.

(13:27):
Novus ordo and the latin massis four hours away from him.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is bobby a convert?

Speaker 4 (13:32):
no cradle bobby's a cradle catholic, so he's a
cradle novus ordo, but he, hecould not handle the novus ordo
and because the average novusOrdo is a nightmare.
But the caricature that theyhave created of trads and of the
SSPX, and it's like they treatanybody who loves the Latin mass

(13:52):
as if they're a set of acontest.
I think the East is safe fromliturgical reform.
Just ask the Chaldeans whathappened to their liturgy.
Oh, if he thinks, but no, asidefrom that, okay, I'll let you
go, nick.
Just one more thing he saysthings, but no, aside from that,
okay, I'll let you go, nick.
Just one more thing he says itfeels like we're in two churches
and I think the the, the 1962missile, should actually have

(14:13):
the new readings and the newcalendar.
Now I I think most trads wouldbe open to adding feast days for
saints after 1962 calendarshould be updated, updated right
to right, to add, like PadrePio, and to add saints who
passed after 1962.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
But to say the lectionary should be shared is
beyond ironic when they say thatfor the TLM to survive it needs
the new calendar and newlectionary.
Then, by extension, why, forthe Byzantine liturgy to survive
, why does it not also need anew uh lectionary?
Because the byzantinelectionary is far more similar
to the tlm lectionary than it isto the novus ordo.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
So if the tlm needs it sorry the byzantine
lectionary needs to be updatedtoo well, the point is if you're
at a byzantine liturgy that'sin communion with rome, do you
feel like it's two differentchurches?
It is.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Technically it is 100%.
There's 24 churches all incommunion under Rome, and the
Latin church accounts for over98% of Catholics.
So it's funny to me that thesmall group of less than 2%
headed by people that aren'teven technically part of their

(15:27):
church right yeah, becausethey're both Latin Catholics but
yet this 2% part of the churchis so against the other 2% part
of the church with the TLM it'sjust funny, funny.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
they're actually like they're novus ordoizing the
byzantine right, because that'sthe, that's the, that's the
heritage they have, and they'regoing there and they're bringing
their pipes and their cigarsand they're telling everybody
about chesterton and I'mstealing this sweet and aquinas
and and the byzantines are likewe don't want this stuff.
They come there with last nameslike Frat and Jurado.
It's like Most Byzantine nameever, jurado.

(16:12):
I think maybe we should justmake the Latin mass a separate
right, which is what Francis didironically.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think that Novus Ordo should be a separate right.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
But that's what I mean.
But it should be a distinctright A.
That's what I mean.
It should be a distinct right.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
A Roman right, or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
The issue that I'm seeing again is it's like every
I was literally talking aboutthis with people five minutes
ago Every single criticism I seeof traditionalists on YouTube
doesn't actually address whattraditionalists have been saying
.
That's the problem.
It never does.
It's always these really weirdcaricatures.
So just like as an example,like I'll just say this people

(16:49):
get this down.
Perpetuatory sacrifice,sacerdotal priesthood, real
presence, communion thatthreefold criticism of the new
mass has never been addressed,that criticism that was leveled
at the foot of John Paul II bythe SSPX, the problem of the
surgical form.
It's never been addressed tothis day.
It's such a sharp critique andit can't be addressed.

(17:09):
But I would also say recognizethat the Latin Mass isn't going
to go away and we don't have toworry about it dying off,
because there's 196 seminariansin the whole of Germany, for the
whole country of Germany, andthere's 200 members of the
European Fr fraternity of StPeter's seminary.
So it's like you're what it isis.
There's a lot of these AmericanCatholic influencers who have

(17:31):
the privilege of having reverentliturgies, who need to go to
Mexico, need to go to Africa,need to go to Europe and
recognize everything is notSteubenville, that's just the
reality.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, okay, so also this like Matt has literally had
one of the diamond brothers onto debate set of accountism with
with, uh, jeff castman, right,um for, but he can't, just so
like he keeps having theserelatively normie catholics on
right.
I mean he'll have amber rose onnow he's having voice of reason

(18:04):
on, next he'll have cameronreicher on.
Like this, this is, this iswhat he does, and every one of
them come on and they criticizetraditionalism and the problems
in traditionalism, but he'snever had like a conversation
with like just a normal tradwho's like, just like a regular,
everyday going latin masscatholic who's just like hey,
why, when do you actually hearit from the guys that go?

(18:26):
Go and see what these guys areactually like at their parishes
and not make this caricature upof because you see a couple of
content creators on YouTube thatyou aren't particularly crazy
about.
It's like I mean, we watchedthese clips of Alex going around
where he's talking about TaylorMarshall will let we'll turn

(18:52):
you into a set of a contest whytaylor marshall is literally
like the most pro pope leo guyout there right now.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So what is he even talking about?
My parents are consideringconverting right now.
It's like slight update aboutmy parents.
It's like they're gettingcloser and closer to conversion.
They're watching taylormarshall, they're watching all
this kind of interesting coolstuff.
What?
What it is is the reason a lotof these guys again, I don't
know why they won't have them on, but I would encourage them,
matt.
It's like if you're going towatch this, check me out.
Listen, just have an SSPXpriest on If you're going to be

(19:15):
the quote Joe Rogan ofCatholicism.
Joe Rogan has people from allover the board, every people,
from guys who are out in themiddle of the desert thinking
they saw aliens to like holy men.
So it's like he has all kindsof people.
Have an actual, rational spxpriest on and have a good.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
If manfred can have a priest on who thinks that you
know you're committing grave sinif you don't support the modern
state of israel, then I thinkyou can have an sspx priest on
too exactly it should.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
it's not that controversial and and honestly
it's like here's, here's thething.
If we're going to say, ifyou're going to say let's push
forward the theology of Aquinas,I'll tell you two things.
One, you'll not get a betterrepresentative of the theology
of Aquinas than an SSPX priestwho's devoted his life to the
study of St Thomas.
But then, number two, let's behonest at the end of the day, if
you're wanting to steel manopposition and you guys are kind

(20:01):
of, you know, let's saydisdaining trads in some form
consider actually steelmaningtheir position and having one of
them on, have them on withanother guy, you know, have a
debate of some kind, all right.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
So there's a couple of comments in here.
I hope I don't know.
Kennedy, if you want this red,I'm gonna read it.
Brad is getting old.
His cute accent and smile madehim famous when he was the porn
guy, but now he has new thingsover and over to stay as.
Now he has the new things overand over to stay relevant.
Um, yeah, like, like, um I I Ialso think that, um, it's.

(20:35):
It's just kind of getting clicheat this point, like, like, like
matt had michael lofton onbecause michael lofton was
defending francis and thenmichael lofton said some things
about Matt's friends and MattFratton started watching our
show when we criticized Loftonand it was like it was cool when
we criticized Lofton, but nowwe're criticizing some of the
people.
That it's like it's look, we'reall in this space and if

(20:57):
somebody is going to criticizestuff that we do, they're going
to like if we say stuff publicly, you're going to get criticized
.
They're gonna like if we saystuff publicly, you're gonna get
criticized.
It doesn't mean we're trashingsomebody.
I'm not like it's just.
It's just, you said some stuffand we have to address it like
that's all it is.
So let's play the second clipand let's go through that one.
I feel like we're about to busta cap here with this one look,

(21:22):
no, I'm gonna say something elsethough, because it's also a bit
of fraternal correction, it'slike a loving correction to our
brother.
It's like come on, dude, stop,stop, stop with these little
jabs and digs, because becausethey've been happening,
especially when you come outwith videos criticizing others
for it, like trent will.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Trent will come out with a video saying you know,
telling people to be charitable,and then he'll go off saying
trads have a hidden porn problem.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Dude that is a flipping black Trent video Dude.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I think he realized he really gravely messed up
because he put that massivecomment pinned comment below his
video.
That was like I'm not sayingthat because you're trad, that
you have a porn problem and I'mlike, dude, here's a, here's a
bit of fraternal correction.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Learn optics, learn some optics, because this looks
horrible, never mind I was gonnahave a comment about trans
optics, but I'm gonna never mindno, no, because, because here's
what happened.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
I'm not like, the substance of the video wasn't
even that bad, but the title andthumbnail were so bombastic.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Trad's dirty little secret just like what the heck
like dude these are the mostholy people that you can meet.
Like what are you?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
this is coming from anthony, who constantly tells me
no, you got to do somethingmore with that thumbnail.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Today.
I go Matt, I go Rob.
I said I'm sorry we'rediscussing this.
I say be as bombastic as youhave to the thumbnail, I don't
care.
I understand he's going to getupset about this, but no, this
is a fraternal correction, likeeven with Trent.
Trent, you, you can't title avideo, trent, you can't title a
video Tread's Dirty LittleSecret.
Because, first off, yes, fatherRipperger did come out and say,

(23:09):
look, I'm hearing this in theconfessional constantly.
Like young men are and they'reusing the confessional as a
revolving door for this sin,right.
But there's another aspect ofthat where, yes, they are, but
that means these men are tryingto get it out of their life,
right.
So they're going to confessionbecause they're trying to root
it out of their life.
Now they might be in a spotwhere they haven't conquered it

(23:30):
yet and they are repeatedlygoing over it.
And it is because trads can beprideful and lust is derivative
of pride, and Mr C has a goodpoint.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Ritter was talking to trads about trads.
Trent was talking to the restof the Catholic world about
trads.
That's gossip.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah, it's more than gossip.
It was intentionally done to becontroversial.
So all of my comments about itI was actually doing for Trent
exactly what he was hoping wouldhappen.
So I was blasting it out onTwitter a bit and making
comments about it, but I wasactually doing the exact thing
he was hoping would happen.
So, like I you know, I wasblasting it out on Twitter a bit
and making comments about it,but I was actually doing the

(24:08):
exact thing he was hoping wouldhappen, because you're hoping it
causes controversy, you'rehoping people talk about it and
that's exactly what Matt wasdoing in this voice of reason
conversation.
Like you're hoping, you'recutting up clips and putting
these clips out on the internet,hoping that it's generally
controversy and it don't getclicked.
I hope they don't get mad aboutour video because we're just
giving them exactly what hewants exactly what you wanted,

(24:29):
like this is you would have cutthose portions out of the
interview if you didn't wantthem to be talked about.
Like there's nothing morebeneficial to a content creator
than when somebody elsecriticizes a segment of their
show.
I don't know why nobody evercriticizes our damn show.
Can you guys cut some clips?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
up.
You're going to hell, anthony,because you've called law and
gay.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's the only time all we're going to get is taffy
clip, you know, clipping it andputting other faces on it what
if you made a video aboutconversos and said I'm not
talking about anyone inparticular?

Speaker 4 (25:04):
even if you't, the insinuation would be there.
Well, I mean, the conversoswere on stream together the
other day, weren't they?
Wasn't he on Ben Shapiro's show?
Just a joke, trent and BenShapiro.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Was Trent on with Ben Shapiro he was on Ben Shapiro's
show.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Settle down everybody , it's just a joke that is quite
the stopping point, by the waylaunch yourself in that corner.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
There's nothing that will actually yeah, that's what
I would do yeah, I think so,yeah, I like that, and then I
would excommunicate all of thepublic figures that dissent from
the teachings of the churchthat I'll be out.
Discipline the rad trads thatyou know.
Not excommunicate them, butdiscipline them and say, hey,
like I would have all of the thecatholic content creators, I

(26:02):
would say that they need to makethe profession of faith on
their channels and platforms,the profession of faith from
vatican ii.
They need to say that vaticanii was an ecumenical council,
that it's authoritative and thatall of the popes from Vatican
II onward have been valid popes.
And then we can just continueas normal and you can keep
sharing the traditional Catholicfaith, but we've got to make

(26:24):
sure that we have thesehousekeeping things in order.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Alright.
So let's say, you make thisstatement and Taylor Marshall
comes on and says, respectfully,Holy statement.
And taylor marshall comes onand says, respectfully, holy
father, I cannot I cannot affirmthis.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
But what do you do as the pope?
Then I would say oh well, look,if you look at, uh, this canon,
uh, this canon of the catholicchurch, you have just
automatically excommunicatedyourself.
And I would say I would tellthem repent.
And if you don't, then I willhave to modify this automatic
excommunication.
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Pause it.
This is a long one.
Um, I have been watching taylormarshall for many years.
Never have I ever heard taylormarshall say the second vatican
council was an invalid council.
Never have I heard him say uh,pope paul vi, john paul ii,
benedict francis was not a validpope.
Never, never, once have I heardhim say anything like that.

(27:19):
I've never heard any catholiccontent creator say that that is
not a set of accountants.
I've heard set of accountantssay that, but those people do
not care if you excommunicatethem no, because they don't see
this valid yeah, because onecould already argue that they
are excommunicated in some formof fashion.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
But the point what's so bad about this?
Kennedy brought this up theother day so much of what like
where the disputes come in withvatican ii, they're disputed
questions that unfortunately notgetting answered.
And here would be my charitablecriticism to alex why is it
that you focus so much on thetrads like Like?
These are some of the mostloyal sons of the church.
If the council is in fact soclear and so wonderful as you

(27:57):
make it is which again, Ibelieve it's a valid ecumenical
council then this is what youneed to do Go and condemn the
heretics who are using thecouncil as justification to
overthrow the entire Catholicfaith.
Because, like the video I didyesterday over the church that's
in Syracuse, all saints parish,yesterday over the church
that's in Syracuse, all SaintsParish, that's having gay
weddings and gay masses and allthat kind of stuff, the front

(28:17):
page says in the spirit ofVatican II, we do this.
So get outside of your JP2conservative bubble and
recognize that people are usingthe council to push like to damn
people to hell.
It's not the trad who's like yo.
We need to actually get our acttogether.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
It's not just that like, like bringing up that,
okay, no sure, a Tete is a bitconfusing.
Bringing up that Lumen Gentiumis a bit confusing.
I mean, we just watched TimGordon debate Jay Dyer and Jay
Dyer was shoving statements fromVatican two in Tim Gordon's
face about what the church viewsIslam as.
So these statements come fromVatican two.

(28:53):
The church should have beenmore clear in what it was saying
.
I'm sorry, you're allowed tohold that opinion.
It doesn't mean you're sayingthe council is invalid.
I'm sorry, but do not tell methat Muslims worship the same
God as us.
Do not tell me the Jews worshipthe same God as us.
They do not.
Yeah.
And if I think that does thatput me out of communion with

(29:15):
rome?
Because if you look at thehierarchy today, they will all
tell you about human fraternityand how we need ecumenical
outreach with jews and muslimsbecause they also are part of
the church.
I mean, I've seen things likethis in my kids catechism
lessons that I had to pull mykids out of their catechism
lessons because there is clearlyerror being taught by the
hierarchy.
Now, that's not because it'sdeclarative from Vatican II,

(29:38):
it's because Vatican II is sovague that people are making it
into that and most people areinterpreting it that way, which
means there needs to be aclarification.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I just think it's ironic that you have Alex there
saying that you know people whodissent from Vatican II should
be excommunicated, when he seemsto dissent from Vatican II and
Vatican II says we should retainLatin and he says everything
should be in the vernacular.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, you might be strawmanning him.
I don't know if he's 100%, butthat's because he does it.
I don't think we need tostrawman him is the point,
though, we actually don't Takehim at face value.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
No, yeah, I mean, here's the thing.
Vatican II is opened by JohnXXIII, who very clearly states
that we don't need to be ateacher, a teaching church.
That's basically slamming theruler down on the kid's knuckles
all the time.
We need to be a listeningchurch.
But here's the problem.
It's like we on with this forso long that your average
Catholic, aside from just notknowing any of their faith,

(30:34):
believes in stuff that'sactually objectively heretical.
If your big worry is you seesedes in a YouTube comment
section who get on your nerve,okay, we'll just deal with it,
but bring some good, rationalOrthodox trads on and have some
good discussions about it.
Like, I mean, realistically, doyou think Taylor Marshallall
and voice of reason, when itcomes to the dogmas of faith,

(30:55):
have any disagreement?
It's like no, they don't haveany disagreement.
Both of them would say weaffirm everything that the
catholic church should teach.
Okay, so then why are wedebating this?
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (31:05):
it just it's just, it's wasting time yeah, uh, play
, play the rest of this clipbecause they'd say some more in
there.
And then the last clip is justso unbelievably ironic you guys
are going to laugh.
All of the things that they'resaying now make the last clip
just so insane.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
How many times are you going to put?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
this comment up, Grover we saw the first seven
times you put it up.
I did not run away fromanything, either one of them.
I'm doing a show with them in aa week or two.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
we'll figure it out can we just, can we just ban
grover and be done?

Speaker 5 (31:38):
no, I like grover say election in the us, there's
been more seriousness placed onsocial media influences and
podcasts because they realize,okay, this is the new game in
town.
People aren't listening to CNNunless they're in the dentist's
office, or Fox News even so,that's interesting.
I wonder if we will get to apoint where a pope has to start

(32:01):
addressing the new media.
I would do it, and probablythrough their own bishops.
I would think right, youwouldn't want to circumvent the
bishop, but as Pope, sinceyou're Pope, you'd want to speak
to the bishop of my bishop, torein me in Taylor's bishop if he
needed reining in, et cetera,lofton, whoever.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Yeah, I wouldn't do it.
I would do it, the ordinarieswould do it.
So you take a profession offaith the Vatican too, or from
it as a council, or, and thenyou can just continue as normal.
But just stop badmouthing thecouncil and the popes and don't
be a TLM supremacist.
Acknowledge the Novus Ordo and,don't worry, I'm going to fix
the Novus Ordo too.
Okay, I'm going to get it allfixed up.
We're going to meet everyone'sneeds.

(32:42):
But we all got to play nice,except God, and we all got to
make sure that we're respectingeach other, respect all the
other rights and respect, youknow, respect the, the authority
of the church

Speaker 4 (32:53):
this is such a clown conference, like shut up, like
shut up.
I want to smack you.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Something has to it feels like, because we all
understand how things unravelall right on the liberal side
like I don't know how anybodycould sit and take that
conversation seriously.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Like you, suck, alex.
Like I don't know what to tellyou.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
You said don't badmouth the Novus Ordo.
Then immediately said afterthat it needs to be fixed.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Dude, wait till you hear this last clip?
Wait until you hear it.
This is the one I did not poston Twitter.
We're about to get intosomething.
It's so ironic, this last clip.
It's amazing.
And one other thing I did wantto say about fraternal
correction, though I posted apicture of my wife years ago and

(33:46):
when I posted it, Bug Hall saidto me this is the most
disgusting thing I've ever seenin my life.
He wasn't saying that about mywife.
He was saying because I postedit and it was because my wife
looked very pretty in it and Iwas doing what e-girls do.
I wanted people to tell me howpretty my wife was, so I deleted
the picture.
I was really upset with BugHall at the time.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's only taken years for us to finally get him on
the show because of it.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
No, show because of it?
No, but the point is what.
It made me rethink about theway I post on x and it made me
rethink about, like, what mymotives were for posting certain
things and I was like that thatwas the I was.
Probably the best thing anybodyhas ever done for me is just
tell me the truth.

(34:29):
So it's like what we're doingnow.
Yes, it's like it sounds meanand no, no, no, like I'm trying
to get this stupid nonsenseconversation out of the catholic
like the normie catholicconversation.
Like, stop talking about thisstuff.
You guys don't know what you'retalking about.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
And now bug hole is coming on tuesday, the uh, it
looks like the chat wouldactually prefer the uh pre-mason
protestant to be on the showinstead of Voice of Reason.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
No, our interview with our Voice of Reason was
actually good.
We had the better Voice ofReason on the other day.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Someone in the comments says they're going to
be staying in New Richmond,wisconsin, for a while.
The best TLM is going to beprobably across the border in
Minnesota, in the Twin Citiesfor you.
So just look in the Twin Citiesthere's an FSSP parish, an SSPX
chapel and a couple of diocesesand TLMs.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
So yes, as women I almost never post anything,
anything I retweet good stuffmen post occasionally.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, very good, good woman my twitter is honestly
the best, because I just get tospy on people all day I still
have the fake nick cavazostwitter up.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
I haven't tweeted anything from it, but I do, so I
never took it down.
Oh no, no, I changed it.
It's a's Trentonius Trentonius,now, that's right.
I'm Trentonius Horn now.
Oh, brother, I did change it.
I forgot, I did change it.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Play the next one Hold on hold on.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
There are no arguments.
They are not putting forth anyarguments.
There are no arguments for themto deal with.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
No, but they're about to.
Don't worry, there's some realgood arguments coming guys.
Don't worry, these are realgood arguments they're about to
put forward.
They basically undermineeverything they had just
previously said is that.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
It's how you act.
It's not just what youimplement, but how you celebrate
liturgy, right?
So how?
So?
presumably you're celebrating adorientum yeah, yeah, of course,
yeah, absolutely ad orientum,because I Because I know really
good priests, yeah, and they'rejust afraid, and I don't blame
them for being afraid To try it.
They're afraid to celebrate AdOrientum because they don't want

(36:41):
to be thought of as a rabblerouser.
They don't want to be slappedon the wrist and then suppressed
, and then the good work thatthey're trying to do within this
parish gets you know, right, Ithink some of them are even
afraid to ask permission of thebishop, lest they be put in that
category so I think they havethe pope.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Do you wait what?
Why would you need permissionto celebrate at orientum?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
They.
They just went through a wholething about how trads need to
accept vatican ii.
They need to accept all thepopes as valid, and they need to
say that everything the popeshave taught and done has to be
affirmed exactly, and that meansfrancis, when he said you are
not allowed to celebrate adorientum.

(37:23):
That cannot be challenged.
They just dissented.
Now they are dissenting andthey are saying that this.
So the pre matt frad wants thepriest to celebrate ad orientum
and not be afraid of getting introuble.
He doesn't blame him for beinga coward.
You know, I understand it, butyou know I wish you would do it.
It's like wait a minute, so thetrads that do it and and

(37:46):
actually show the gumption thatyou're saying you wish the
priest that you know did theybecome a villain, so you want
that priest to become a trad,and then you'd be putting him in
the category that you'recriticizing right now.
It makes no sense.
Wait.
They keep going, though,because you have no idea how
much.
Look at all the mistakes sincethe council that they start to
criticize also voice of reason,doesn't know how to smoke a

(38:08):
cigar.
It's really sad actually listen,all the listen, to everything
they criticize from the councilthat they just said every, every
.
You guys need to make astatement of faith, and you need
to.
You, too, matt and alex, needto make a statement of faith and
affirm everything the churchhas taught since the second
vatican council.
This is completely wrong whatthey are doing right now, and

(38:32):
these guys are dissenters.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Thank you, Mike Lewis .

Speaker 4 (38:39):
These guys are dissenters.
It's not okay.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
No, you can celebrate without your bishop's
permission, yep, and I encourageyou to celebrate at our anthem,
yep.
It was clearly a mistake toface the people.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
He just said they made a mistake.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
The church made a mistake.
The Second Vatican Council madea mistake.
Wait a minute.
This to me.
These guys are trad dissenters.
They need to make a professionof faith.
They deserve an excommunicationfor that statement.
I am giving a fraternalcorrection to Matt and Alex
right now.
You guys need to take thatstatement back and you need to

(39:15):
go and tell your bishop youapologize, otherwise I'm going
to ratify the explanation.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
They need to go to confession for being a trad.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Go to confession.
Boys Repent Very uncharitable.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
For sins against synodality Sins against
synodality.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
They're just trads in the closet.
They just want to be Closeted.
They're just trads in thecloset, like they just want to
be closet of trads.
They just want.
They just want the solemn highgothic tlm so badly.
But it's just not feasiblebecause once you get the label
of trad, you're the bad boy.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Judging from his voice, it's not the only closet
I honestly wait.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Brendan love.
You guys are so weird.
I genuinely don't get this forthe frivolous earthly issue.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Get your pride in check I wonder if he makes those
same comments on on the videofrom matt would you say that to
know, because brendan loves mattfrad and he thinks any
criticism of matt frad iscausing this weird little
parasocial relationship withmatt frad.
Thinks he's his buddy youpeople.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
You people think your favorite content creator is
like and they are idols in yourlife, like.
We can all be criticized, everysingle one of us, and I'm fine
with you even criticizing me andsaying that, yes, I'm prideful.
I'm also angry, like I'm angrythat this caricature is being
made of trads and then they havethe same exact feelings as we
do, so much so that they don'teven go to the freaking novus

(40:30):
ordo.
Every single person in thechurch that takes the faith
seriously complains about badliturgy, and bad liturgy is
freaking universal throughoutthe church right now.
It's not just in America, it'snot just you may have found some
crazy unicorn Novus Ordo whereit's perfect for you, but that's
not what most people aredealing with, and it's really

(40:52):
frustrating to watch guys thatdid what they had to and I don't
even blame people that do that.
We all need to get away fromthis gay shit.
Like it's gay.
So much of it.
So much of it is gay.
Nobody wants altar girls.
Nobody wants some old ladygoing like this with the hand
sanitizer before she gives youcommunion and it drops on the
floor five times.
None of us want it.
So why aren't we criticizingthat?

(41:15):
Why are we picking on trads whoare literally just trying to go
to mass with their family andget their children to heaven.
I don't understand it.
It makes this guy's been thisguy reverted to the faith four
freaking years ago when he'stelling trads that they're not
matt alex all right, I think Idon't know alex's story because
I can't stand listening to him.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I think he was a cradle catholic who just started
going east during covid.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I don't know if he was ever away from the faith or
not but just, he just needs totake a page out of his own book
when it comes to, like you know,catholics not going on and
teaching too quick.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
It's just so sad, it's so sad there's a reason the
, the taylor marshall and and uhtim gordon video of uh, novus
ordo sayings like the the novusordo isms, where they talked
about like felt banners and andyour, your parish community and
your or your faith community andyour, oh, that's like there's a

(42:10):
reason that show blew up somuch.
It's because so many of us havejust been indoctrinated with
this horrible is nonsense sincethe council and it was like Holy
cow.
Somebody's actually picking upon how corny this stuff is.
I don't know why I'm cook, whyI cook dinner, because Anthony
is cooking.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Did you read Mike Pantila's tweet today?
No, it was Mike Pantila's tweettoday.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
No, oh, mike Pantila, yes.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Every trad has felt that way.
That's what he tweeted about.
That's the point when you makethat decision to just suck it up
and drive the long way to yourTLM.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Yeah, I don't know man, I'm just tired of these
conversations that have beenhappening for a long time now 60
years, yeah, but I'm talkingabout these particular
conversations from Catholic Incwho are?
Trying to get the trads incheck.
You guys don't have a right toget the trads in check.
You guys are part of the reasonthis nonsense is in play,

(43:13):
because you guys actuallysolidified it with your
apologetics throughout the 90sand 2000s, like trying to
convince all of us that thatthis liturgy is heaven on earth.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
It's not, I mean it is, but it's not.
Yeah, it's like in substance itis, but just the way that you
guys are portraying it.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah no, like you guys should have been in an
uproar back then, but Iunderstand there was no
catechesis on it and now thereis Like this is where we are.
We're at a very different timein the church than we were in
1986 when Scott Hahn converted.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I'll say it like this .
I'll say it like this becausethen I'm going to bounce,
because I'm going to go to massmyself.
The blue pill regime is comingdown, right.
We see this when it comes tocertain narratives about World
War II, the amount of peopleright now who are rightfully up
in arms about us going toanother potential war, including
myself, right, with Iran.
We're not going to continue onwith the forever wars In the

(44:06):
church.
We're not going to continue onwith the last 60 years of
propaganda that we've heard,whether it be feminismionism or
novus ordoism.
The scales are coming off.
People are waking up and youcan kick and scream and fight
for the system.
Right, let's have a good debate, but recognize, at the end of
the day, the latin mass is gonnawin.
It is what it is, and in 20, 30, 40, 50 years, when we have a

(44:28):
pious the 13th or something likethat, who's you know, an sspx
guy, whooco overnight, somehow,it is what it is.
Just suck up and deal with it.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Nick, we're going to get you back on again because I
miss having you on brother.
I'm sorry that I made you jumpinto this show because this is
probably no, no.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Let me real quick, before I leave.
Let me clarify something forthe entire world, so
particularly the set A's.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Okay.
Hold up me clarify somethingfor the entire world.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
so particularly the settings will hold up.
Um, here we go clarify for theworld anthony and I, we had no
beef people like thought weactually hated each other first
wait, why?
You know?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
why there?
Was why.
Why I don't?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
understand what's going on.
So, like when I was goingthrough my phase, let me make it
explicitly clear what I was notsaying was we can't have
conversations and criticize andstuff like that.
All I was criticizing was justmaking one's life into pursuing
drama.
That's all that I wascriticizing.

(45:27):
And Anthony and I and Rob and Iwe had zero beef zero issues.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
You and I, I literally called you.
We had like a half an hourconversation and you were just
like all right, you'll take astep back for a little bit and
then you'll come back.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
And also, like for people, when it comes to certain
topics, I'm not afraid to talkabout them if I run for
political office, like that'sjust the thing, certain things
I'm no longer worried abouttalking about because it's just
when you're when you're runningfor office, you have to talk
about tough issues.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
It is what it is the next episode, Nick, we're doing
Synagogue of Satan.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I mean go read all my Facebook posts.
I'm still a boomer and I'm onFacebook.
Go and read all my Facebookposts and you'll be surprised.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
So yeah, because I honestly I thought tonight we
were going to talk about Tuckerand Ted Cruz.
That was originally what wewere going to talk about and
then Matt Fradd dropped this gem.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
It was like too juicy to not do.
I've only voted for Ted Cruz tokeep his gay opponents out, but
I want him to leave.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
All right, Nick, go to mass.
That's way more important thantalking to us two idiots.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Someone did drop 10 bucks here for a question for
nick that's your take on trump.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Now, president, situation rent.
He should not bomb iran overand out that's fine.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Now we're gonna.
I want to do an.
I want to do a trump episodewith you because man has my
opinion of him changed.
It'd be fun to see it fun tosee like me and you bounce off
each other and wechallengechallenge.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yes, you're on your four-week black pill.
It's going to be the four-week.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
you know I'm always black-pilling, rob, you know
that.
It's just what direction?
Yeah, I always find differentthings to do my thing on, but
I'm always smiling through myblack pill.
Don't worry about it.
Alright, nick, go to Mass.
We'll see you soon We'll getNick on back again soon.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I put your chat up, Grover Hope you're happy.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
I was probably getting Nick back on.
I was, let's see, let's see.
It's so crazy because Mattliterally just like boosted
Nick's episode.
And he was like lovely brother,I was crying listening to this.
Stop crying, matt, you'realways crying.
Oh, let's see.
Wait, I did see a good kennedycomment.

(47:39):
Uh, no, I saw kennedy saidsomething about, uh, pope paul
vi, but it's saint pope paul vi,kennedy, and I just wanted to
correct that uh, let's play thelast pope paul bi uh, larry,
lars, larry, what is that?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
uh, it's just a blank .
He just gave us 20 bucks is it20 dollars, or is that okay?

Speaker 4 (47:59):
all right, we we like when you guys send this like
weird money that we've neverheard of and we think it's real
money.
Uh, all right, let's go throughit yeah, for everyone who's not
from america.
Your money's not real moneycanadian money is like may as
well, may as well, just oh whatare you doing?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
okay, we're ready yep , acknowledging it.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
Even better if you get rid of the the the second
altar and use the primary oneclearly, exactly that's what I
would do, and also not only that.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
I would also have to either, you know, discipline the
people that need to bedisciplined within the church.
You know, clergy probablyremove some cardinals, make some
.
You know, bishop Barron, he's acardinal.
I'd make him a cardinal rightoff the bat, bishop Bar.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
He would.
I just don't want to removepeople.
You know how they talk aboutpromoting people into obscurity.
Yeah, I want Barron, where hecan make the most impact.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
I would make him a cardinal and he could still
continue as he is, still do histhing.
I would help whatever he needsfor his ministry.
Help him, He'd be the guy.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Are you afraid that you're too focused on America
Because you've said nothingabout every other country in the
world?

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Well, I'm not too sure what's going on.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Did you cut out the part where he said he'd make
George Janko head of the CDF?

Speaker 4 (49:21):
The Bishop Barron stuff.
It's like we did the Barronthing and it's like man, these
guys, to them Barron is theepitome of catholicism that's
because baron's like you know,the epitome of catholic kink and
that's what they thinkcatholicism is it's like look
like I, I like baron, I'm noteven trying to trash the guy

(49:44):
like I like father mike schmitz,I like those guys, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
The fact is, is baron one of the better bishops in
the us?

Speaker 4 (49:50):
yes, that's the problem with his competition,
isn't right now?
It's like, it's like I don'tknow man, like man, look, they
did the interview.
They knew this segment wasgonna cause some strife and it
did.
And I saw a lot of people inthat today and they were just

(50:12):
like, like I, just so, so tonedeaf, completely tone deaf, like
man.
Just have a conversation withsome guys that actually, like I
spent my entire life in theNovus Ordo.
Like it's not, like I'm aconvert who came right to
tradition and I don't haveexperience of both worlds.
Like I have a lot of experienceof both worlds.

(50:32):
Don't have experience of bothworlds.
Like I have a lot of experienceof both worlds.
I went through a roller coasterof a faith journey, faith life,
whatever you want to call itwhen I was in the novus ordo.
Like I didn't find stability inmy faith and in my family until
I found tradition.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
So I can almost guarantee I've been to more
novus ordo parishes than eitherof them, probably more than both
of them combined, actually yeah, just like, and, and that's the
other thing.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
It's like there's no difference in me driving an hour
to a novus ordo than somebodywho goes to the novus ordo but
drives past three or four localparishes to get there, because
that one's which is what almostevery one of the novus ordo does
yeah, because because if you'reyour geological parish because
it's like it goes by yourlocation and whatever location

(51:19):
you're in you're supposed to goto that geological parish,
territorial parish, that's whereyou're supposed to go, and 99%
of people that take the faithseriously are not going to go to
the one that's right near them.
If you don't live in a smalltown where there's only one
catholic parish, chances are youprobably aren't driving to your
territory, territorial parishyeah, it's like like, because

(51:44):
the one that I told like the themy local parish when my wife
converted the rcia program thatmy wife came into was so
atrocious that like I had a warwith the woman running it and I
this is like I was just cominginto the faith and my wife was
just coming into the faith andI'm like listening to the most
insane stuff in this RCIAprogram and I'm like we can't go

(52:05):
to this parish, we have todrive to the next one.
And we went to the next onethat was nearest after that and
that one was abysmalmal so wehad to go to another one.
So now I'm going an hour to adiocesan tlm.
I'm sorry.
I finally found somewhere thatI don't have to worry about my
children picking up horribleideas about catholicism that
aren't true.
Anthony goes to his parish tolearn geology.

(52:30):
yeah, you were calling it ageological parish.
Geographical that's what I was,geological.
You guys listen to a highschool dropout.
You're not gonna get I don'tknow what to tell you.
Or you guys can stay and changeyour local parish from within.
Where's enoch's tweet from theother day?
Uh, let me pull it up.
He.
He sent it to us on uh, on uh,whatsapp or something.

(52:51):
I want to read that one becausethis one was very controversial
, very controversial.
It's a very good tweet madesuch a good point because you
know essentially what these guysare saying is what enochism is
saying in this tweet do you knowwhat the most middle eastern
thing about enoch is?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
he texts on whatsapp.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Bro, just text me yeah, yeah, it's like he thinks
he's going to get charged over.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
We all have iPhones in America, bro.
You live in America, you don'tneed to worry about foreign cell
phone charges.
Okay, let me find this tweet.
What was it about again?

Speaker 4 (53:27):
He was basically saying the things about the
Novus Ordo, that the Novus Ordopeople say about the Latin mass.
I forgot exactly what it was.
It was between the two of us,the three of us, I mean.
Enoch texted to me like on anormal text oh, it's right here,
I got it, I got it, I got it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Let me uh pull it up here this is exactly actually
what we were.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Just what I was just saying.
Right like so, if you seek,seeking a reverend novus ordo
undermines the validity of theeucharist at the tambourine mass
.
Stop trying to make the liturgyabout aesthetics.
It's the same Jesus.
Also, if your local parish doesnot offer a Reverend Novosorto
Mass, you should not drivelonger distances to attend a
Reverend Novosorto Mass.

(54:11):
This is exactly what we werejust talking about.
If you're not going to yourparish that you are supposed to
go to, I don't want to hearanything you are doing,
especially true if you're goingto a canonically different
church.
I was just going to say you'redoing the same thing that matt
and alex are doing at that pointgoing to a different right to

(54:31):
escape the novas.
All of us are trying to escapethe damn novas ordo.
Everyone, even the most, eventhe most diehard novas ordoists,
you're all trying to escape it.
Stop pretending you're not,like're not.
This isn't about the peoplethat go to the Novus Ordo.
It is not anybody's fault thatthe bishops put this liturgy on
us.
It's just what it is.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I'm starting to think , though, that it is at some
point people like Voice ofReason, matt Fradd and others
are going to have to start totake actual accountability the
fact that they're allowing it tocontinue.
They're enabling it bydefending it by defending it.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
But what was that guy really mad about the other day?
Remember that one guy, jasonwas pissed about the confession.
What was it that I said?
That pissed them off 90% ofthose.
Oh, oh, that's right yeah, sookay, so it was with trent's
video, right?

(55:29):
So trent was saying trad'sdirty little secret is that
they're constantly confessingthis sin.
I said if that's trad's dirtylittle secret, then the novus
ordo's dirty little secret is 99of people at the novus ordo
aren't even going to confession.
Yeah, like they just aren'tgoing.
And I'm not saying faithfulCatholics that go to the Novus
Ordo don't go to confession.
Of course you do.
You guys are faithful Catholics.

(55:51):
You're the you're, you'reyou're.
I'm not talking about you, I'mtalking about your average
person at the Novus Ordo isn'tgoing to confession.
The church pews are packedevery Sunday with people that go
to go to church for heaveninsurance, where they go because
they're nominally Catholic andthey just don't know the faith
that well and they're not evengoing to confession at all.
So the fact that trads areconfessing this sin means that
trads take mortal sin seriouslyand they're doing what they can

(56:12):
to get it out of their lives.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
You go, you know, as someone who went to the North
sort of 99% of my life, right,you don't have anyone stay
behind in the pews, no one, noone.
You know.
So, like one of my uncles,occasionally you'll see somebody
because you're right and youknow what it's not like.
Everyone looks at them like whyare you staying behind?
You know what?
Did you murder someone yeah youknow, yeah, if you go to tlm,

(56:39):
one quarter to a third of thepeople won't get up and receive
and you know what?
No one, nobody cares.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Yeah, it's like.
It's like, so, so that guy gotso mad.
He's like you have absolutelyno proof of this, you're just.
You're just, uh, denigratingthe novus ordo because you think
you're better than us.
It's like.
No, I'm not.
That is absolutely not at allwhat I was saying.
My point is that it like there'shorrible catechesis in your
average Novus Ordo parish andmost of the people that do go to

(57:06):
the Latin mass are all they.
Most of the people that go tothe Latin mass are people who
were at the Novus Ordo, tooktheir faith seriously and were
like I would rather go somewherereverent.
So then they ended up at aLatin mass.
Now, when you go to that Latinmass, there's a concentration of
those people who took theirfaith seriously.
So they're all like you have aconcentration of faithful
Catholics at a Latin mass.

(57:26):
Now, this probably wasn't likethis before the council, because
before the council, no, I'msure.
But in this modern era, what youhave at the Latin mass is a
high concentration of faithfulCatholics trying to take their
faith seriously.
So, yes, the confession linesare always long and yes, there's
going to be a third of thepeople not getting up to receive
.
And when you compare the statsin the Novus Ordo you have 70%

(57:49):
of the people that go don'tbelieve in the real presence,
80% support artificial birthcontrol, 80% support abortion.
For certain reasons you have nodifference in the Novus Ordo
than you do in secular societybecause most people are going
for a social club.
But when you go to the LatinMiss, because you have that
concentration of people who taketheir faith seriously, those
numbers are 99% think artificialbirth control is wrong.

(58:12):
99% believe the Eucharist isvalid.
You wonder who the 1% is inevery one of those surveys.
Sometimes I think they just doit for like, like for error.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
It like allow for error, and well it.
It's statistical error that iscausing that.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
One percent, yeah yeah, look, I got a little riled
up tonight.
I'm just I, I don't, uh, andonly 14 are even going to mass.
Yeah so, but I'm talking aboutthe 14 that do go to mass it's
something like only 25 of 14% goto confession once per year.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
It's crazy.
You go to the Latin Mass andmost of the people there are
trying to go once a month.
I go either every two weeks oronce a month at minimum Like
minimum.
And I take my kids once a monthbecause I want them in the
habit of it, so that when theymove out and they get to like I
want them always in the habit.
The longer you go withoutconfession, the less you want to

(59:11):
go.
It's like you don't want to goto confession the longer you
push it off.
So just stay in the habit ofgoing and any chance you get to
go, you go Angry.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Anthony is the best.
Anthony, you know it'sfrustrating.
Shut up.
Grover.
I'm going to smack you.
It's frustrating because thelast three, four, five weeks, or
whatever you know, at massreading through the missile, you
know, part of the reading willstick out to me and it's usually
something like being morecharitable watching what you say

(59:45):
, stuff.
So I'll get real serious aboutthat, especially online.
Then I'll see someone I'll seesomething like this or someone
you know just attacking tradsand it's oh, it just pisses me
off.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
It's just look, here's what.
Here's what I'm going to say tothe people who go to the Novus
Ordo and think the trads areuncharitable.
Trads are just faithfulCatholics who go to the Latin
Mass and they experiencesomething there that they always
so like.
We're all taught that the Massis heaven meets earth and you're
actually going and you'reworshiping Christ truly present

(01:00:20):
in the Eucharist, and the angelsand the saints are around us
and this, this earthly worship,is meant to resemble the
heavenly worship.
And when you go to the latinmass you kind of see, like
that's actually what you get, solike the, the thing you were
catechized to believe hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Does that guy not have kids?

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
yeah, I don't think he does, then he just needs to
shut up yeah, he doesn't get atalk I'm serious, um, uh, so, uh
, being new to catholicism, Ienjoy my imperfect nova, sorta
for what it is, but I've beenreading about what proper
liturgy and worship are and theywish there was a close to you.
That's it, it's like.
But, dude, it's not your fault.
Yeah, that's what you have.

(01:01:00):
Like nobody's nobody'scriticizing you because you go
to the novado.
And it's funny because I reallylove someone like him who goes
to the novus ordo and doesn'ttake offense to when we talk
about this stuff, because it'slike I'm not criticizing the
people that go.
It is like you're not, it's notyour fault.
How the hell are youresponsible that the bishops put
this thing in play and put itin place and that they're doing

(01:01:22):
this crazy stuff in the liturgy?
Me and Rob went down to NorthCarolina and there was a really
good bishop that came down thereand celebrated mass like a
really faithful African bishop.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Now I will say that bishop had to be the one to do
it and it wasn't his diocese,because the bishop that was over
that diocese of Charlotte wasinstead at a female-led.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Laudato Si.
Yes, and that's Bishop Martinswho's tried canceling Latin Mass
in Charlotte.
So the neighboring diocesebishop came over and he was a
really good bishop and the guywas a faithful Catholic, anthony
berated him until he heardAnthony's confession, as he was
literally trying to leave.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
He was trying to get in his car.
Anthony goes over and says I'mthe guy that you got all those
nasty emails about.
Will you hear my confession?

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
It's actually what happened in a work.
I'm like, look, I'm like, I'mthe guy that all the emails were
sent about that.
I'm a misogynist and, you know,an anti-Semite and all this
stuff.
People that call tradsuncharitable are cheering on
Alex, or cheering on Alex, orcall for.
Marshall to be excommunicated.

(01:02:30):
You want to take the Eucharistfrom someone.
You don't get to call anyoneuncharitable.
Very good point.
I actually want to read Bobby'stweet before we get off,
because I do have to get off.
Bobby wrote this to Matt FratMatt, your channel was a big
part of my reversion and forthat I will forever be grateful.
I've also been a localsupporter for the past couple of
years, but I'm probably goingto stop.

(01:02:52):
I constantly hear on your show,both in subtle jabs and in this
episode with Alex overt callsfor excommunication and
disciplining of the traditionalcommunity, all while painting
with a broad brush and accusingthem of being uncharitable and
divisive.
Now, keep in mind, bobby goesto a Byzantine liturgy.
Why are you willing to allowsomeone like voice of reason to
call for the excommunication ofsomeone like Taylor Marshall but

(01:03:13):
can't offer him the grace tohave a conversation with him?
It's perfectly acceptable toyou, for someone, to you for
someone, to demand that hisaccess to the sacraments be
taken away from him.
Casting a soul into the abyssfor eternity is better than
having a conversation with atrad.
You've had a conversation withthe diamond, with a diamond
brother, but can't have on atraditional catholic if you

(01:03:35):
think trads are so wrong abouteverything, then have a
conversation with one, and onair, and correct them.
Alex went so far as to changerights, as did you, to find a
liturgy that feeds your soulbetter.
Why are the people that arespiritually fed at the TLM
treated like disobedient,unfaithful children for doing
the same thing you guys are?
There's an argument to be madethat some trads are divisive,

(01:03:58):
but when you allow people toequivocate the TLM with set of
accountants, you need torecognizeocate the TLM with set
of a contest.
You need to recognize thedivision your own show is sowing
within the church which Matthad come out when, when, when,
pope Francis died and he waslike for any division I've
caused.
I want to apologize and it'slike I look Matt.

(01:04:18):
Matt himself didn't call forTaylor's excommunication.
Let's be clear about that.
He did specifically bring upTaylor, but he did bring up
Taylor Marshall and he did implythat Taylor Marshall wouldn't
accept the Second VaticanCouncil and the preceding votes.
So it's like you know thisstuff.

(01:04:41):
It's just so tiring, like whatI'm going to tell you for those
of you who don't go to a Latinmass like it's a bunch of young
people that love Catholicism.
That's all it is.
They're not being divisive.
What happens is it's the samething as when you become
Catholic and you find that pearlof great price and you want to

(01:05:01):
go and argue with Protestantsbecause you're like you guys
don't understand what you'remissing.
You don't understand whatyou're missing when somebody
goes to the Latin mass and theydiscover it and it increases
their faith and it helps thestability of their faith life,
they want to go and talk to likenormie Catholics that never
experienced it and they're likeyou don't understand what you're
missing.
Now, some of them have someharsh language because, yes,

(01:05:24):
they feel like they were robbedof their birthright by being
raised in the Novus Ordo.
Because when you go from theNovus Ordo to the traditional
liturgy and it becomes a way oflife for you, it changes your
perspective on everything andyou get angry at the bishops for
doing this to us, and it's justa side effect.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I have a question for you what do you think is more
of a failing?
More disordered think is moreof a failing, well, more
disordered.
Do you think it's the, the tradwho feels anger and is
sometimes uncharitable becausetheir patrimony was stolen from
them and they're fighting for it?
Or do you think it's moredisordered and more of a failing

(01:05:56):
um to completely abandon, likeyour, your, your patrimony, your
birthright, and then to then tocowardly complain about those
who are willing to fight for it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Yeah, look there's.
There's exactly what you'resaying, because there's there's
something to righteous anger.
Right, like you, you can haverighteous anger about this stuff
being changed because itshouldn't have been changed, and
even Matt and Alex recognizethat in their own car.
Oh, clearly, at Orientum,taking that away was a mistake.
It's like you're saying thesame thing.
We are guys, so I don't get it.

(01:06:32):
Stop equating trads with, likeI'm just tired of the caricature
.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
You know I'm going to say something, alex.
Alex, you cowardly abandonedyour church in your birthright.
Don't get pissed at me if Iwant to fight for it.
You might be a coward, but therest of our rest of us aren't,
and we get to fight for it,whether you say so or not.
So maybe just pipe down and golive in your little eastern
parish and leave the rest of usalone yeah, like you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
You put yourself in this arena as an apologist, and
why don't you stick to just likedebating protestants?

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
well he doesn't, though, does he just kind of
cozies up to them?

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
yeah, I'm not crazy about the, the lack of charity
showing to fellow catholics.
And then, oh you White.
Dr White was the most amazingperson I ever met.
And Dr White, he was so kind tome.
And Ubi Petrus was the mostamazing guy I've ever met in my
life and he was just so kind tome and I can't believe how good
of a man he is.
But that Taylor Marshall, wegotta excommunicate him, like

(01:07:36):
that's literally what we justheard on that show and it's
insane to me.
I'm tired of being lectured bythose who turn tail and ring 100
.
It I'm sick of it.
Um, it's like man, this is,this is just, it's just a
tone-deaf conversation, um, andI I don't get it.
You know, like, like havesomebody on who can explain why

(01:08:01):
they feel their birthright wasrobbed from them, how the Latin
mass completely changed theirentire devotional life.
The way they change, theychange Like, if you, if I got
into the things that changed inmy life from that liturgy the
way I run my household, the waymy wife respects me, the way my
children see me, the way I raisemy children is completely

(01:08:22):
different, like so many thingschanged because I found
stability in this way of livingthe sacraments out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
It's almost like it's the way we were meant to live
as Catholics.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Because what you do actually does affect what you
believe.
Yeah, whether you think you'regetting the yes, jesus is
present at the Novus Ordo.
Nobody's denying that.
I'm not saying it's not a validmass.
It's not the point when you'reliving like if you live out what
the church actually did for2,000 years.
There's a reason the churchdeveloped those traditions is

(01:08:55):
because it formed culture and itwill form you, like if you go
to one.
It will form you.
It will change the way you, you, you operate in this world.
The guy who cozies up theprotestants is an ardent
defender of the novus ordo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
go figure, um and, by the way, just well, since bob
Bobby is here and others are too, I'm not saying, if you like,
if you're a westerner who likesthe eastern rights that you

(01:09:31):
don't have a right to go to, youobviously clearly do.
If it helps you worship Godbetter, so be it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
It's those who don't want to give us that same.
I'm not mad that Alex goes tothe Eastern right, like I
understand it, but like he'lleven say, yeah, you know, during
COVID I went there and I justfell in love with it because
they take the faith seriouslyand it's like, oh, so you're
saying exactly what trads aresaying, but you don't like trads

(01:10:00):
.
I don't know why, I don't getit.
But the two of matt and alexneed to go to a latin mass for
two months and get to see what.
Why like, why we're havingthese conversations and why
people are so upset about thenovus ordo and why people are
angry at their bishops, why wethrew a fit when we saw they

(01:10:21):
were going to cancel the latinmass in charlotte.
Why we're throwing a fit whenthey're going to cancel the
latin mass in detroit as theycelebrate june.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
You know what and go to go to a latin mass for two
months in the basement of a gymbecause their parish was taken
from them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Go to one of those parishes for two months and
you'll meet some of the bestpeople you've ever met in your
entire life and you'll go.
Why am I, why was I ever makinga caricature of these people,
like I'm sorry, but the thetaylor marshall stuff comes off
to me is just envy.
It's like he's super successfuland people actually pay

(01:10:57):
attention to what he's doing,every single video he does
getting hundreds of thousands ofviews.
It's like if you and he'sleading people out of the church
.
No, he's not.
Clearly, he's clearly not.
I have heard thousands of peopletell me I came back to the
church because of TaylorMarshall.
I came back to the churchbecause of Tim Gordon, or like

(01:11:17):
at least any number of trads.
I'm telling you that this isthe reality of it.
So I don't, I don't.
You know, there's differentkinds of people.
There's some people that it'slike you.
You talked about matt frad.
You're being divisive.
Yeah, right, I'm being a littledivisive.
I care enough about matt fradto hope that if he hears this,
he doesn't, he doesn't, hedoesn't do this again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
It's just silly, yeah , and somehow we will be the
ones accused of beinguncharitable and device having
andrew clavin on having ruslanon have.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I mean, I could give you a list of protestants that
he's had on.
I could give you a list of like, uh, people that have
criticized the traditionalmovement, but he but it's like,
no, I'm not gonna have thosetrads on whatever.
That's your thing, it's yourshow.
I'm not telling you who I'm on,it's just whatever.
I'm always going to defend thetrap position, even though I
don't even consider myself likea real trad, like I don't.

(01:12:10):
It's not like.
It's not like, uh, I don't knowlike.
I just I just know what.
I just know how much my lifechanged once I was introduced to
the traditional catholic faith.
Like there are things I don'tlive up to.
I'm not, you know, I don'twhatever, but I do the best I
can.
It has helped me and my familyin ways that I could never

(01:12:31):
explain on a podcast, like ifyou just saw the way my family
works together, therelationships, how healthy and
positive they all are, and evenmy children, like my children.
If they they get stuck going toa Nova Sordo, they're just like
dad, it was so bad.
Like my kids hate it.
It's just cringe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
My six year old has gone from being hard to control
and um antsy and you know, justas a six and you know just just
a six year old, you know, atmass and the Novus Ordo to
sitting still the whole timereading through his little
children's missile and just justpaying with rapt attention to

(01:13:15):
what's going on around them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Um I, this is not actually true, though Matt would
have Taylor on.
Like I'm not gonna, I'm notgonna make a caricature of matt
either, I think he would I knowhe would like.
That's not I.
I know he would and I I it it.
But, like, because ofconversations like this, who's
to say taylor would want to like?
Why would taylor want to go andtalk to matt after something

(01:13:38):
like that is what is the point?
Right, like what benefit is itfor taylor to go on, go into a
hostile environment like that?
That's like you know.
But I don't think matt would belike.
I think matt would have tayloron because taylor's the biggest
podcaster in and it would be thebiggest show ever in
catholicism.
But that's why, that's probablywhy I'll get a million views.

(01:14:00):
It'll get a million views, itdefinitely will.
Yeah, that's why he would do it,not not because because, like,
it's so funny that I'm going tobe charitable and have
ecumenical dial and I'm notsaying this about Matt, I'm
saying this in general theposition of most people in the,
in that world, it's like, oh,like Trent will have redeemed

(01:14:27):
zoom, redeem zoomer on, and likeall these guys and it's and I'm
not saying I wouldn't likewe've had redeem zoomer on, but
it's like that's not what I'mgetting at.
It's like talk to realcatholics, it's, it's.
It's frustrating, yeah,frustrating, frustrating,
frustrating.
Oh, guys, I'm sure the commentsare going to be riddled with
people who call this showuncharitable.
And it is, I guess.
I don't know.
Whatever, I don't really care.
I've given up on thinking we'reever going to be in that world

(01:14:51):
anyway.
So it's like may as well speakyour mind.
May as well speak your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Why would you want to be?
You know, if you're actually aCatholic.
You know if you're actually Idon't know I'm just.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Well, early on, look, and I'mand I'm criticizing matt for the
views thing, but early on, ofcourse we would love to have
gotten on pints with aquinas,because it's exposure for the
show.
We're all victims of it.
Yeah, I'm criticizing him forthat.
We're all just, we're all awful, we're all terrible.
But it's funny because, like you, you do things because you

(01:15:25):
think you're gonna get views andthey wind up not getting you
views and then, like the shows,where the best shows we do are
when it's me and you off thecuff and there's kind of nothing
going on in the news, and thenwe have to start sharing like
some, maybe some personalanecdotes, and those develop
into like a real conversationabout life and like and and.
You get these little gems onthis show every so often.

(01:15:46):
They're not clearly not everyepisode, like most episodes are
us just goofing off, but everyonce in a while on this show
you'll get these little gems ofwisdom that come from one of us
because we had some experienceand or a family member said
something and, honestly, this isthe best podcast because it's
real and unscripted.
The normie ones seem overlypious and fake.
Yeah, you'll never get overlypious from us.

(01:16:12):
I don't know.
I think I think most people aredoing what they can to to live
out their faith I do.
I don't blame people that go tothe that try to find a Reverend
Nova Sordo.
I don't blame people that aretrying to find an Eastern
liturgy.
I don't blame people that go tothe Latin Mass.
I think all of us that arefaithful Catholics are doing
everything we can to try andsave our souls, so let's not
judge the people that do it alittle differently than us Live

(01:16:33):
and let live when it comes tothose are.
Catholic, they're Catholic.
They have a differenttemperament than you.
And catholic, like all right,they have a different, they have
a different temperament andthey like the bombastic guys.
I like your show because I'm aretard.
That's fair oh man, likesomebody, somebody, uh, somebody

(01:16:58):
said something about, uh, about, about us like being like uh,
self-righteous and prideful.
I was like dude, we're just the, we're just an entertainment
comedy show.
Like that's actually what ourshow is it's like self-righteous
like we.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
It's the last thing we put ourselves down so much
purposefully to avoid that yeah,like my whole point of being on
this show is to keep you downthe audience never will.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Let me get the audience would never let me get
too prideful.
Um, why doesn't matt want totalk to lucky luciano's
descendant?
People have been watching for along time, you just said that
two weeks ago.
Oh, shut up, Forget Grover.

(01:17:49):
We got to ban Phil.
Get a little sick of Phil'snastiness.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
He was gone for a long time.
He only recently came back.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
He's back.
These guys hate watch Groverand Phil love to hate watch us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
All right, we're going to wrap this up.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
I'm pretty sure Phil does it just to report back to
Jeremiah Phil watches everysingle Catholic show that's out
there.
He's just a bored old man.
Did your wife okay the boatrepairs?

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Of course she did.
He had to negotiate a fewpicture hangings around the
house?

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
I'm sure.
No, it was one of those thingswhere I'll'll be honest.
My wife loves the boat as muchas I do, so it wasn't a big sell
like we.
We haven't been out on it, soshe's like losing her mind
because I remember the time sheappeared drunkenly on the show
on your boat.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah, it was a fun time.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
She was next door at the neighbor's house drinking
wine and I was outside in thedriveway on the boat just
talking to rob.
And uh, my wife came home fromthe neighbor's house drunk and
she's like, oh, you're doing ashow.
And she just like came on theshow.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Like why are you here?
Get out of the show.
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
oh hey, you never told us what happened this last
weekend, while you hated yourfamily all of a sudden yeah, I
just about had it with them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
That's a locals episode, dude.
Okay, we'll do that.
Yeah, because I was.
I was very fed up with a couplethings that's a locals episode
winner will Tucker.
Theo Howard, we have books.
Yes, wait, so wait.
Who do we?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
have.
That's a Locals episode.
Theo Howard Will Tucker.
Theo Howard, oh, Theo Howard,we have books.
Yes, Wait, so wait.
Who do we have?
So Tuesday we have Bug.
We have Bug Hall.
Tuesday we have Eric Sam.
It's Thursday right, yes, butwait, I have to find I don't
know if I confirmed with Theo,but I know I didn't see it on my
calendar.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
No, I didn't put it in the calendar, but let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
I wonder if we could get Lucas Botkin and if anyone
would actually watch that show.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
July 12th July 12th.
We have Theo Howard on.
Okay, I'm going to confirm thatwith him now does it count?

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
does does it count as an ad read if I just put up a
comment that says ad read?

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