October 29, 2025 • 63 mins
A Catholic podcast just got bought—and the tremor is bigger than one show. We open the hood on what happens when a platform promises reach and relief: fewer invoices, more producers, cleaner schedules. But where do the lines get drawn? We walk through how “creative control” often becomes control by omission—careful guest lists, avoided flashpoints, and a steady grooming of the audience to stop asking first-order questions about war, influence, and the faith’s public voice.
From there we zoom out. The theological backdrop matters: how Catholics understand Israel and Judaism after the council, how charity rejects collective guilt yet still permits clear speech about power, and why a Church that prioritizes spiritual works must be brave in naming realities that polite media won’t touch. We examine the reflex to label uncomfortable analysis as bigotry, the role of diaspora identity in American politics, and the way postwar narratives have shaped what Catholics think they’re allowed to say. None of this calls for cruelty. It calls for courage with charity—and the humility to let Scripture and Tradition set the boundaries, not sponsors.
We also map the media incentives that steer conversations long before a script is written: who is invited onto stages and into studios, which conferences open doors, and why some voices never get the mic. That quiet sorting process creates a curated Catholicism—safe for brands, soothing to coalitions, but thin on the truths that actually convert hearts. If evangelization online is going to mean anything, it has to look like full-contact honesty: welcoming hard guests, testing arguments in public, and letting the hierarchy of truths lead. Subscribe, share this episode with a friend who cares about Catholic media, and leave a review telling us one topic you think should never be off-limits.
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SPEAKER_08 (00:11):
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(00:33):
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The theme is going to be how toevangelize online, and to help
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artists who will join us forspecial panel discussions.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
So I've said yes to this offer, just in case I
wasn't clear on that.
I'm joining the Daily Wire andI'm really happy about it.
SPEAKER_12 (01:35):
I do need those glasses.
I do.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
He just put your your face on Patrick.
SPEAKER_12 (01:45):
That's why I was wearing such a gay never mind.
SPEAKER_03 (01:47):
You should pull up the um the we're gonna make a
gay sweater, Joke.
SPEAKER_12 (01:54):
I almost asked him, like, why'd you put me in such a
gay sweater?
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
That's not nice.
Um why don't you pull up thevideo?
The video that I was talkingabout in the green room.
SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
Because I was watching, I was watching Frad
this morning, and this is whatit felt like watching Frad this
morning.
I see I see Matt put out a videoand he said, special
announcement.
And um I'm like, okay, what isthis, man?
Matt's Matt's got uh anannouncement about the future of
his show.
SPEAKER_12 (02:25):
Do you know how much stuff is on your timeline?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
It's no, it's in the show notes.
No, it's is it?
Yes, it is.
It's like oh, yeah, it is right.
You gotta be kidding me.
This is your timing, it'sterrible.
My timing?
Yeah, comedic comedy is likebased on timing.
So I tuned into Matt's show thismorning.
SPEAKER_12 (02:44):
I do agree that comedy is based on timing.
SPEAKER_02 (02:47):
I definitely do agree.
All right, pop it up.
So this is this is what I uh Ituned into.
Whenever you're ready.
This is what it felt likewatching Matt this morning.
(03:16):
All right, all right, all right.
That's basically what it's feltlike being Catholic since 2013
in general.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
Um, you like the TLM?
SPEAKER_12 (03:28):
Take this.
Um, so they talk about Catholicguilt.
I think they need to talk aboutCatholic masochism more.
SPEAKER_03 (03:34):
Yes, well, it there is something to that, right?
Like you're basically justbeaten down by the hierarchy,
but okay, so let's get let's getinto Matt.
SPEAKER_12 (03:42):
Um, yes, we are definitely a guy show guys.
Boomer humor.
SPEAKER_03 (03:50):
Come on, you gotta be kidding me.
Um, so um the thing is, nonobody should be surprised by
the news of uh that came outfrom Matt this morning because
well, okay, for those of you whomaybe don't know, Matt Fred sold
out pints of pints with Aquinasto the Daily Wire.
(04:10):
So that's quite the wording.
So Matt, right?
So Matt announced this morningthat he will describe it.
He's sold out pints with thequinas.
Sold out Pints of the Aquinas,the Daily Wire.
Matt is joining the Daily Wire.
They have basically bought hispodcast.
So um, for anybody that's likesurprised by this news, it
(04:32):
really shouldn't be a surprise.
So it's um, you guys are suchhaters, and it's sad to see how
low you guys can get.
Exalt your brother and not tearhim down.
I honestly feel sorry for youguys.
We're praying for you all foryou guys all.
All you do is criticize.
SPEAKER_12 (04:46):
All right, first off, that's not how you spell
criticizing.
Second off, shut up.
Who's the one hate watching aYouTube show in in the live chat
typing away?
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Like just shut up and listen to what we have to
say before you even make thatcomment.
Okay, so the the the thing is,I've I mean, I think everybody's
kind of long suspected Matt wasgoing to go there.
Um, he's clearly been aiming forit, yes.
And well, and also the thing ishe said he said on his show this
morning, he's like, I don't, youknow, I they told me I have
(05:18):
complete creative control,nobody should worry about a
change in the show, and uh I'mnot going to be interviewing uh
guys in politics.
But I mean, Frad, if you justwatch his guest list over the
past year, it's the guy from thethe Babylon B was on, Eric
Metaxas was on, apostate profitwas on, you had uh uh Tammy
(05:40):
Peterson on.
I mean, you had uh Knowles hasbeen on like he's literally had
the guest list from um he's hadthe guest list from the Daily
Wire just basically runningthrough uh Andrew Claven.
He's I mean he's had you knowconstantly a constant stream of
these guys coming over.
(06:01):
So I don't think I was surprisedby it.
And no, his show probably won'tchange much.
Um they they don't need it tochange much.
So the the thing is a lot ofpeople are saying, like Matt
never really talked aboutZionism or the Israel-Gaza
conflict.
No, he never did.
SPEAKER_12 (06:18):
So the the thing is you cannot separate this
announcement from the only timeI've ever heard the Israel-Gaza
thing discussed on his showswhen a certain priest he brought
on discussed it in rather strongterms.
SPEAKER_03 (06:34):
Not just discussed it in strong terms, he used the
phrase used the phrase wokeright, you know, like he he
bought right into the JamesLindsay phrasing, the woke right
stuff, and you know, it it wasit was it was bizarre the way
that went down, but yes, weheard that tonight, yes.
Well, that that's the otherthing, like even the intro video
(06:55):
joking around about us not beinginvited to Trent's thing, like
we we will never be invited tothose things because we choose
to talk with people like FatherMaudsley, right?
And the thing is, a few monthsback, if you go back, we started
talking about this issue, and Istarted saying this the divide
in the church is not going to beover the Latin mass and the
(07:15):
sordo, the divide is going to beover this issue.
It was when the the PhylosProject came out.
The Phylos Project came out, andthe announcement that came out
today cannot be separated fromNick Fuentes being platformed by
Dave Smith, PBD, and thenfinally on Tucker Carlson.
Them releasing this statementthe day after the Tucker Carlson
(07:38):
interview, you cannot separatethose things.
And anybody who says that's aconspiracy theory is just
ignorant to reality.
The Catholic Inc crowd isextremely worried about
grouperism, very worried aboutit.
We saw Christian Wagner went tothe Catholic Creators Conference
a few months back, and he wasmaking friends with those guys,
(08:00):
and we thought there was goingto be some kind of
collaboration.
He wasn't invited to Trent'sconference.
I don't know this for a fact,but I would say he might have
been invited, maybe he said no,to be fair.
Just possible.
But if you ask me, it seems morelike Wagner is too adjacent to
the Grupers, he just had PineSap on, and I would think that's
more likely of a reason why heisn't in that crowd.
(08:22):
This is a very big issue.
Now, we know that there is ahuge propaganda push from the
Zionists right now.
They just bought TikTok and theyare massively flooding social
media right now.
I mean,$7,000 per tweet.
The idea that look, them gettingMatt is not that Matt will now
(08:47):
push Zionist talking points.
It's that Matt will now notinterview anybody that's even
remotely controversial on thatsubject.
It's more that it's more that itit's it's presenting a version
of Catholicism that is Zionistfriendly rather than actually
(09:07):
discussing this issue from theperspective of the church as it
always has presented it.
The church has always recognizedthe enmity between Jews and
Christians, it just has.
(11:39):
So that's why many people thatsee this issue, they you know,
they may just start to recognizethe the worldly infiltration,
and they may they may start torecognize the Jewish
infiltration into our politicalsystem, where you know people
are are sponsored by you know,politicians are sponsored by
APAC, whether they're Republicanor Democrat, uh Jews have dual
(11:59):
citizenship with Israel and theyhave it in America.
So they may start to see it onthat level.
But when you start to see thechurch's change in stance on
this issue, it goes back to thecouncil.
I mean, it it comes from afterthe goes back to the war, but
goes back to the post-warconsensus, then they have the
council, and then there's thisdrastic change in the way the
church uh relates to uh allreligions, but mainly no
(12:24):
shortate is mainly about theJews, like it's it's essentially
about the church's positiontowards the people of the old
covenant.
Um, so the idea that I and Iwant to be charitable to Matt
because I think Matt was feelingoverwhelmed.
I think that I think running apodcast like his, especially his
wife having the healthconditions that she had, I
(12:46):
really do think he was gettingoverwhelmed, and he was just
like, I don't know what I'mgonna do with this thing.
It's it's a lot doing this.
Like Rob and I do it twice aweek, it's for two hours a
night, and we kind of wing itwhen we come on.
We don't really plan anythingout, we're not booking guests
and flying them in, we're notdoing a tenth.
SPEAKER_12 (13:02):
We're not even even when we talk to someone about a
book, we haven't read the book,we don't have the time.
SPEAKER_03 (13:08):
You yeah, so it's like so so I think he was
feeling very overwhelmed, andthey come to him and they
present him with this offer, andin his mind, it's like, oh,
that'll just take such a loadoff of me.
I could focus on just thecontent aspect because the
content is actually the easiestpart of this, like just coming
on and talking, like you enjoyit.
(13:28):
You come on, you have aconversation, and that's a wrap.
But there's so much stuff thatgoes on in the back end, running
a business, he's got a cigarlounge, he's got this, he's got
that, he's got a lot going on.
So they present this offer tohim, and he's like, All right,
I'll do it, you know.
So I don't I don't want toascribe like ill intent to Matt.
I don't know if I don't know, Ican't read his heart, I have no
(13:52):
idea where he's coming from withthis.
I just know this issue is veryimportant, and the things that
Nick Fuentes is talking aboutare very important.
And the the fact that Catholicsnowadays don't actually talk
about the the essence of thesestories from the old testament
describing the enmity betweenthe older and younger brother,
(14:15):
and how that is actually goingto play out in the story of
Christianity, and how at the endof time we hear constantly about
how the Jews still play a rolein salvation.
Yes, they do, they play a verysignificant role in salvation
towards the end of time becausethey are going to be the ones
who persecute the church, theyare going to be the ones who
(14:36):
persecute the church, just likethey persecuted the Christ in
the for in the when Christ comesthe first time in the passion of
the church, just as in thepassion of the Christ, it will
be the Sanhedrin who persecutesthe messiah, which is the
church.
SPEAKER_12 (14:51):
I mean, it's uh I just saw a tweet that I'd
retweeted from Joshua Charleslike four months ago, where he
he he lays out how the churchfathers were 100 completely
unanimous, and that the Jewswould accept the antichrist as
their as their messiah, at leastinitially, and and throngs of
(15:11):
heretics will follow as well.
SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
So you're talking about Christian Zionists right
because they're spirituallyJews, right?
Protestants for the most partare spiritually Jews.
So Christian Zionists are alsogoing to follow.
So this is my concern when youhave things like the Phylos
Project and Catholics pushingZionism.
It's dangerous because whatyou're doing is it's like a
(15:35):
spiritual blindness that you'reputting over people where they
it's an abuse of Christiancharity.
Um, uh yes, Zionism is directlyrelated to Noshrotate and
Vatican II, and Vatican II isdirect directly related to
permission to celebrate the TLM.
It's the elephant in the roombehind the intra-tri, of course,
but that's that's kind of mypoint.
Like this stuff all is going togo back to the council, and all
(15:57):
this.
It's so in interesting that thisis all going on in Rome today on
the anniversary of Nostro, don'tthey?
Play the one I I put a clip ofLeo speaking today in Rome about
this stuff.
This is this is such animportant issue, and this is
(16:19):
listen listen to this.
SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
Initially, Pope John XXIII commissioned Cardinal
Augustin Beyat to present atreatise to the council
describing a new relationshipbetween the Catholic Church and
Judaism.
We can say, therefore, that thefourth chapter dedicated to
Judaism is the heart andgenerative core of the entire
declaration.
For the first time in thehistory of the Church, we have a
doctrinal text with anexplicitly theological basis
(16:44):
that illustrates the Jewishroots of Christianity in a
well-founded biblical manner.
At the same time, Nostreetatetakes a firm stand against all
forms of anti-Semitism.
Thus, in its following chapter,Nostreetate teaches that we
cannot truly call on God theFather of all if we refuse to
treat in a brotherly or sisterlyway any man or woman created in
(17:07):
the image of God.
Indeed, the church rejects allforms of discrimination or
harassment because of race,color, condition of life, or
religion.
This historic document,therefore.
SPEAKER_03 (17:18):
Okay, exactly.
So uh Jay Dyer posted.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_12 (17:23):
I was just gonna say, for um anyone who noticed
who he mentioned at thebeginning, uh Augustine Bayer.
If you want to know uh what youshould think of an Australia
Tete, research who that was.
SPEAKER_03 (17:35):
Uh, it wasn't an AI dub.
I sped it up to 1.5 when Iscreen recorded it, just because
Leo speaks very slowly, so Ijust sped it up a little bit
when I screen recorded it.
So now John Paul II on Jews andJudaism said some interesting
things.
This is from Boston College.
I don't know if this isliterally what he said, but Jews
live in covenant with God wasone of the things.
(17:56):
Yes, they do, because thecovenant comes with curses, they
are under the curses of thecovenant, like the covenant cut
the covenant with God, theybroke the covenant, so they are
under the curses, so they'redispersed throughout the
nations, the temple isdestroyed, right?
That's that's always been theCatholic position.
Uh, there exists uh a divinelywilled ongoing bond between
(18:16):
Judaism and Christianity, yes,in respect to well, the the
elder younger brother, the elderand younger brother, and that
plays out throughout the ages.
There's always this enmitybetween the two of them.
SPEAKER_12 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean, even when Joseph was separated from
his brothers in another country,they still had a bond that had
to be settled later on.
SPEAKER_03 (18:37):
There exists, I'm sorry, wait, Judaism has its own
distinctive vocation in thedivine plan.
Yes, it does, because there willbe a conversion of the Jews at
the end of time.
Like they're they're going tothere's going to be a
unification of the brothers.
There's going to be a healing ofthe bond between the brothers,
just like Joseph is reunitedwith his brothers, right?
Um now there is some some weirdstuff in here too that I don't
(19:02):
know if I could uh I coulddefinitely go along with, but
just just like that's just kindof some of the stuff that that
I'll I'll you know I'll say youcould write up to um what John
Paul was getting at.
It's like there's a way to tosay these things are true while
also you know recognizing thatthey're true in that there's
(19:23):
there's still a role for them toplay in the story of salvation
history.
It's just yeah, it's not thatthey're saved in the covenant
that they're in, it's thatthere's just still a role for
them to play in salvationhistory.
So um the okay, so now uh uh catuh classical theist wrote this.
He wrote, in past ages, thechurch granted protections for
(19:46):
the Jews so long as let me bringthat up so people can yeah,
bring that up.
So Matt Matt gives hisannouncement, and classical
theist writes this, and this isvery important.
This is stuff we've spoken aboutwhen we've had Father Maudsley
on, and it's that in a proper,properly Catholic society, the
church would grant protectionsfor the Jews so long as they
(20:07):
harmonize within Catholicsociety.
They couldn't they couldn't umloan money at interest, there
was no usury around, theyweren't allowed to take
positions of high government,things like that, because they
couldn't influence Catholicsociety.
Now it seems like Catholics cangive be given influence, but
only in in their gift so long asCatholics harmonize with Jews
Zionist interests, is that apreferable arrangement?
(20:29):
So now think about this.
If you speak out against any ofthis stuff, you get canceled.
Now it's loosened up a littlebit in the past couple of years,
but even this conversation wouldnot have been able to be had a
few years back.
SPEAKER_12 (20:44):
And you have to recognize it's it's the same no
matter who is in powerpolitically.
When the left's in powerpolitically, Catholics um, you
know, Catholics can haveinfluence as long as you don't
talk about homosexuality, gaymarriage, transgenderism, thing
like that.
When the right's so-called rightisn't influence and power, you
(21:07):
can be Catholic and haveinfluence as long as you don't
talk about uh Judaism and youknow uh crazy prodights and
disciplines dispensationalismand all you know.
So yeah, we live in uh occupiedsociety, you know, and the the
remnants of Christendom whereeverything's turned upside down.
SPEAKER_03 (21:26):
It's a Zog government, right?
It's like yeah, there's you'reyou're just this it's a complete
inversion of the way it'ssupposed to be, okay?
So now them getting Matt to jointhe Daily Wire.
It's like we we've all talkedfor years about when is somebody
going to start the CatholicDaily Wire?
(21:47):
Because we wanted a wealthyCatholic to put his money behind
some some Catholic podcastersand put them together to present
something like the Daily Wire,but very Catholic, explicitly
Catholic, right?
What is happening now is theDaily Wire caught so much grief
after getting rid of Candace andBrett.
So much grief after getting ridof Candace and Brett, right?
SPEAKER_12 (22:09):
And I mean, there were there were rumors that they
were asking people to pay takepay cuts and you know letting
people go.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
Yeah, they were almost gonna go out of business,
but the the whole the wholething starts as cr as the as the
the the uh drama around Christthe king.
Candace starts tweeting Christthe king.
Yeah, Nick Fuentes is tweetingChrist is king.
Like, this is how this wholething starts.
So now Ben Shapiro is catchingso much crap, and the Daily Wire
(22:39):
is just known as a Zionistplatform.
And if you speak out against theJews, you're gonna get begged.
Now, Walsh, everybody's beenlike getting on Walsh for how
long now?
Like, Matt, you have to leavethere.
Like you are flat out saying theUS government should not be
supporting any foreigngovernment, but you just draw
this line at Israel and you kindof just don't want to talk about
Israel.
It's the elephant in the roomover there.
(23:00):
So to get rid of this reputationof just being a Zionist
platform, they start picking upCatholics.
So they go and get that girlIsabel Brown.
She's a Catholic, and nowthey're grabbing Matt Walsh.
The whole thing is to make, andnow all the Catholics who like
Matt Walsh are going, This isCatholic infiltration, this is
Catholic infiltration of theDaily Wire.
(23:22):
No, it is not, it is Zionistsilencing of very important
Catholic voices.
SPEAKER_12 (23:27):
One of the the more annoying um phrases I saw today
on Twitter was someone sayingthe the typical line, like, um,
why are people getting so youknow so mad when you know when
when we agree with 80% of youknow say Ben Shapiro?
And I think that's such ascrewed up way of looking at it
(23:48):
when so much of our faith is allor nothing propositions, right?
Sure, maybe I like the samepizza as Ben Shapiro.
Maybe uh, you know, we bothdislike Kamala Harris, but the
fact that he doesn't believe ina triune god means I don't agree
with him at all.
Yeah, you know, like like it's80, maybe in terms of number,
(24:11):
but it's literally zero percentwhen it comes to things that
actually matter, you know, foryour eternal soul.
SPEAKER_03 (24:16):
So, no, I don't agree with Ben Shapiro in any
way, shape, or form, and norwould I ever have anything to do
with an organization he's a partof it's just uh it's just about
them being able like you talkabout like oh has have have Jews
infiltrated the church?
It's like well, they yes,they've infiltrated our liturgy,
(24:37):
yes, and now they are literallygetting the most influential
Catholics, the most influentialCatholics, and putting them
under a a company who will notlet them discuss this issue at
all in any kind of a significantway.
Yeah, they'll just pretend theyjust won't discuss it.
It's not like Matt's gonnabecome a Zionist, he's not gonna
start spouting Zionistpropaganda, he's just not gonna
(25:00):
talk about it at all.
At all, nor will he know and hedefinitely won't have guests on
now.
Right, he's not, and it's andit's who he's going to have
conversations with, they aregoing to influence who he speaks
to.
They already have, like theythey already have.
I mean, they have it.
Look, the one of my one of themost disappointing things I saw
(25:20):
happen with Jonathan Peugeot waswhen Peugeot was talking with
with Ben Shapiro, and they weretalking about the story of Cain
and Abel, and Ben Shapiro wasgiven his own Jewish
interpretation of that story,and Peugeot just kept his mouth
shut.
And I was like, Jonathan knowswhat that story's really about.
He knows what that story isreally about, he understands
(25:42):
that story is actually about theJews and the Gentiles.
Like that is a that is a uh aforeshadowing of what's going to
happen when when the oldcovenant, when the people of the
old covenant reject the newcovenant, like these things are
all foreshadowed.
And Jonathan just didn't sayanything because he didn't want
to have an awkward conversationwith with Ben Shapiro.
(26:04):
Frad was already not going tosay anything, but now he has
more reach to talk about theI've seen this too, and I
disagree.
SPEAKER_12 (26:11):
The the individual chat the channels of the
individual creators at DailyWire, besides Knowles and Walsh,
aren't any bigger than Frad'schannel is?
They they have what 1 millionsubscribe paid subscribers, so
yeah, that's more than Frad'swhat six seven hundred thousand.
Do you think the seven hundredthousand of those million that
(26:32):
are evangelicals are suddenlygoing to suddenly watch Matt
Frad?
No, his reach hasn't grown atall.
SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
And if anything, I think it's like he'll get more
publicity and they'll andthey'll put more advertising
behind his stuff and he'll havemore sponsors now.
It's more money, it's more,yeah, it's more money, but money
and it's a lot easier of a jobfor him.
I'm I know I'm look, I'm notlike I said, I'm not putting I'm
not trying to put bad motives onthat.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm justtelling you what the reality is.
(26:59):
The reality is there is there isa real fear of grouperism right
now, like a real fear of it.
That you see it when people areflipping out the Tucker platform
Nick Fuentes.
And Nick has managed to get thisconversation out into the
public, and he's speaking aboutit in a way where he's he's
(27:20):
saying, look, there's there'sthis influence in our society by
people who also have this thisdual loyalty, you know, the
whole conversation he's having,and he's talking about having
how it does uh tie into identityand all this stuff, and they and
over the last six months to ayear, he's actually doing it in
an approachable way fornon-grupers, right?
SPEAKER_12 (27:41):
That that I think is what is really scaring them is
that he's actually starting toreach outside of his base.
SPEAKER_03 (27:50):
Well, okay, so um he does have editorial control.
Look, I'm not I'm not sayingMatt has lost editorial control
of his show.
What I'm telling you is there'sjust going to be guests he won't
have on because he works at theDaily Wise, it's just just the
way it is.
He's already done that, likehe's already done that.
Well, we we have text proving itright with Daniel O'Connor
(28:14):
O'Connor, like Daniel O'Connor.
He was going to bring him on,and then people told him not to.
But if you like if that wasbefore those that was before
those people wrote hispaychecks.
You go back, listen to me.
This all started, and you guysare saying Matt's not gonna
start saying Zionist stuff.
What do you think his littlepost, what the heck is
anti-Semitism anyway?
(28:35):
A Socratic dialogue on MattFrad's Substack was.
That was back in March of uhMarch 18, 2025.
This is when the talk started.
He was he was already starting,and and Michael Knowles retweets
it.
Like, this is when this stuffstarts.
Don't tell me Matt's show isn'tgoing to be affected by this.
(28:55):
Of course it is.
Of course, this stuff is going,of course, his show is going to
be affected by it.
Now, he may not be like a flatout Zionist, he may not be just
pushing for that because I thinkMatt Frad knows how to stay in
his lane.
But there's a reason that youlook, there's a reason we'll
(29:21):
never be invited into thoseconferences.
There's a it's because we talkabout things that that they that
they're they're not willing totalk about.
I mean, it and to the pointwhere the there's two dangers
here.
One is the the conversationabout the Jews goes so far that
violence occurs, right?
That is a danger, and itabsolutely is.
(29:42):
People are crazy, and we see andthe thing is you get into things
like like what you we weretalking about, like the uh narco
trans groups and stuff, andpeople getting handled in those
groups, like those Redditforums, and we were talking
about just uh someone from 764was just a Arrested today or
yesterday, I think.
(30:02):
Like those people in those inthose forums, right?
They get handled by like by CIAand and Massad and things like
that, right?
SPEAKER_12 (30:11):
Order of nine angles was created by M MI6 agent, so
yes.
SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
So those guys will be in those forums and they
don't know they're beinghandled, right?
You could have the same thing inGruper forums where they're
being handled by assets.
unknown (30:25):
Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:27):
In their discords, in their in their in their
grouper discord.
And you could have a guy beingthey'll they'll see a guy who's
off a little bit hearing thisstuff, and they can manipulate
him to go do something crazy andthen blame it all on the group.
Like the the danger is there forsomething bad to happen.
It just is.
SPEAKER_12 (30:44):
I think it's more likely we'll see leftist
violence violence against Jews,and they'll just rope all
anti-Semitism in together,probably.
Possible too.
SPEAKER_03 (30:54):
Either way, there's there is a possibility for
violence here.
The other danger is convincingpeople there's nothing to worry
about whatsoever.
Like, no, no, no, no, don'tworry about it.
The Jews are our are our elderbrothers in the faith, and we
have a totally differentrelationship with them, and
there's nothing to worry about,as they literally infiltrate
every facet of society, thechurch, everywhere.
(31:15):
And and we just sit back andthey take advantage of Christian
charity and our our our empathy,right?
That that that Christian impulsetowards empathy and to treat
everyone as a beloved child ofGod, and not everybody's a child
of God, everybody is created inGod's image and likeness, but
not everybody is a child of God.
You you become a child of God atdivine adoption when you are
(31:38):
baptized.
People that are not baptized arenot children of God, and you
should you should understandthat.
Like you, you, you should lovethem and treat them that way,
but you can't think they havethe same interest as you.
And the problem is in America,because we live in this
multicultural democracy, we alltend to think everybody is just
(31:58):
like us because so manyCatholics are not actually
paying attention to their faithto begin with.
Yeah, so you just you just thinkeverybody's the same as you, and
they're not.
There are people with diabolicalmotives, and that's not to say
every single Jew is like that.
No, not at all.
But it's also not incorrect tosay the Jews are doing this,
like it's it's not incorrect tosay that.
It doesn't mean every singleone, but it also is not wrong to
(32:21):
say this is them doing it, andthis is an important
conversation to have, and andyou're just not going to have it
from some very importantinfluential Catholics, and that
is scary to me.
Nobody makes more money thanLila, dude.
SPEAKER_12 (32:39):
Yeah, because you gotta understand the money that
is her salary, just what itlists as her salary.
Her travel's covered under adifferent category, her podcast
production is covered under adifferent category.
You think you think you thinkI'm going too far?
SPEAKER_03 (32:56):
I might be, I might be, and I'm sure if somebody
complains, it'll it'll happen,right?
So, look, also he we spoke withFather Maudsley, and um we would
love to put that conversation onYouTube, but he said some things
that just can't I can't put onYouTube.
SPEAKER_12 (33:13):
Not um, I mean I'm not saying we do agree with it
necessarily or disagree, but butbecause YouTube will lit like
their auto sensor will catch itimmediately.
SPEAKER_03 (33:22):
The the channel will just the it'll nuke the channel
from some of the things he said.
So we're going to release it forfree on Friday on our locals and
on Rumble.
So if you guys haven't seen thatconversation, we will release it
on Friday for free.
It right now it's it's stillbehind the paywall.
We're just trying to figure outhow we're going to release that.
We can't put it on YouTube.
I might be able to edit a fewthings out and then get it on
(33:42):
YouTube.
Um, so I I might be able to getlike a significant portion of it
on here, but I have to I have tofigure out how I'm gonna do
that, but we will make that uhavailable for free very soon.
Should we do the Recusin ad realquick, Rob?
Molly's reminding us.
SPEAKER_12 (33:59):
We probably better at this than we are, and it's
yeah.
Um, yeah, give me a second.
Uh, do we want to re-inter orshould I just play the video?
Just play the video, I'm gonnaturn my air on.
Okay, it sounds good.
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(35:38):
gonna say we're just hating onMatt.
We're just hating on Matt.
No, I'm not I'm not evenconcerned with Matt.
It's more what is happening inthe public conversation, like
these con the this issue isbeing spoken about finally, like
we're finally at a point wherewe're discussing this issue in
the public sphere now, where youcouldn't even have this
conversation 10 years ago orfive years ago, even right.
(36:01):
So once you are at the pointwhere this conversation is able
to be had, and there are solidCatholics discussing it, and
they're discussing it from aspiritual standpoint, they're
not getting into crazyconspiracy stuff and just
saying, oh, they run the banks,they run, you know, they control
point like all that stuff.
We're talking about this from atheological standpoint, and
we're talking about it from anapocalyptic standpoint.
(36:22):
Like this is a very importantissue, especially when you see
the crazy things that arehappening in the church and
world right now.
We're talking about the theopening of the floodgates of our
country to foreigners, to wherethere's going to be complete
mayhem at some point because wedon't have any culture left to
(36:44):
stick together.
There's going to be some kind ofchaos in our country, in the
west, all over.
Possibly starting Saturday.
SPEAKER_12 (36:51):
It could very possibly starting Saturday when
a hundred thousand Somalians inMinneapolis can't get their food
stamps.
SPEAKER_03 (36:59):
That's yeah, like we're talking about you're
talking about that, even couldbe look, and part of me worries
that even us being allowed totalk about this is part of their
part of the fifth gen warfare,yeah.
Part of the fifth generationalwarfare where they're like, all
right, let them talk about thisstuff, let the let the let them
(37:19):
all get riled up about it, andthen something happens and they
can pin some event on us, andlike all of this could be
manipulation.
We don't know, but it's stillimportant to talk about because
we've lost as Catholics theactual proper perspective on
salvation history and how thisstuff is supposed to play out,
and and the church no longertalks about some of the most
(37:41):
important issues uh facingChristians.
SPEAKER_12 (37:47):
Yeah, they'd rather they'd rather talk about climate
change.
SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
Bless a big block of ice, which is another form of
infiltration, getting us tofocus solely on the carnal
issues, right?
Just getting us to focus solelyon the temporal stuff, not
discussing the mass apostasythat's happened in the church,
the fact that people have losttheir faith, the fact that
there's heresy rampingeverywhere, the fact that our
liturgy is completely fallingapart.
(38:16):
It's just none of the realissues.
The church doesn't want to talkabout any of the real issues,
they would rather discussinterreligious dialogue, and
they would rather discuss how weneed to love migrants, and
they'd rather discuss loving thepoor, which is like I'm I'm not
saying corporal works of mercyare not important, they are but
(38:37):
what's more important, thespiritual works of mercy should
come first.
Every time Christ heals somebodyin the gospel, right?
Which is easier to say your sinsare forgiven, or get up and
walk.
He forgives someone's sinsbecause the spiritual sin, the
spiritual healing is moreimportant.
Oh, okay, the spiritual healingwasn't enough for you.
(38:58):
Get up and walk.
Now the physical healing comes.
So the spiritual works comebefore the corporal works, and
we're in a time where the churchdoesn't want to talk about the
spiritual works anymore, and ourrelation to this issue is so
freaking important, and nobody'stalking about it.
And and the chaos that's goingto happen throughout the world
(39:19):
and throughout throughout ourcountry, there's going to arise
a strong figure who's going tocome and put everything back
together and fix everything.
People are going to be desperateto have order out of that chaos.
SPEAKER_12 (39:33):
No, to be fair, yes, it could be the Antichrist.
Or it could just be the greatmonarch, you never know.
I know we're blackpilling, butlet's moderate it'll be the
Great Catholic monarch, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (39:51):
Yeah, I I mean I don't I'm I the the thing the
look to me things look sofreaking bad that I keep missing
it.
Things are so bad that thisdoesn't seem out of out of this
doesn't seem that crazy to me.
I don't know.
(40:12):
I mean I know everybody hateswhen I go down that road, but it
just doesn't seem that crazy tome.
SPEAKER_12 (40:21):
It could also be just a type of antichrist, too.
SPEAKER_02 (40:24):
Yeah, too, but uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (40:31):
I I mean this is something we had to talk about
tonight, and then look, and thenyou also have um I try and just
get the chat is going fast,yeah.
It's going very fast.
SPEAKER_12 (40:40):
A lot of 706 viewers uh right now.
SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
Yeah, please hit like and subscribe, guys.
Share the show.
Um you you also have while thisis going on, you have 169 likes.
Come on, guys.
You have that's in 400.
In Rome, you have Cardinal Burkewith the Summorum Pontificum uh
pilgrimage going on, andeverybody's making such a big
(41:05):
deal that the Latin mass is inSt.
Peter's, and literally acrossthe street, you have this insane
Sonatal, whatever the hell ishappening over there, the
Sonatal program.
And the Italian bishops releasedtheir Sonatal document, which
has been adjusted because thefirst time they wouldn't even
vote on it because it didn'tinclude inclusive language for
(41:25):
the LGBT and for all thisnonsense.
So they had to adjust theirdocument, and the Italian
Bishops Conference put togetherthe Sonatal document that wants
us to have a more gentleapproach to people and
acceptance for people who aretransgender, and this stuff is
legit insane.
So it's like the tale of twochurches.
(41:47):
You have Cardinal Birkin therewith this beautiful liturgy in
one side, and then you have thisinsane Sonatal stuff on the
other.
You have Matt Frad joining theDaily Wire on one side, and you
have Nick Fuentes claimingCatholicism on Tucker Carlson on
the other.
There is a split happening,guys.
Sadly, a lot of the Trads whoare who understand that there is
(42:12):
a lot of problems with theliturgy, and they have
understand there's a lot ofproblems with doctrine, don't
want to touch this issue, theydon't want to go near this issue
with a 10-foot pole.
SPEAKER_12 (42:25):
One reason why we stayed independent.
SPEAKER_03 (42:35):
Yeah, that there are trads who don't want to go near
this issue, it is an importantissue.
You're talking about look, Ieven saw I don't want to say
voice, but somebody what yeah,this is uh the Catholic Church
and the anti-church currentlycoexist in the same sacramental
liturgical and juridical space.
(42:56):
Yeah, hard to disagree withthat.
I can't disagree with that.
I mean, that that goes into Imean, that really does go into
what Benedict was saying aboutTiconius, how like the body, the
body of Christ, the body of theant uh of the devil grow into
the same body.
SPEAKER_12 (43:11):
I was gonna say it's it always has, but I don't think
at any previous point of thehistory, maybe outside of the
Aryan crisis, but but I don'tknow, um has the anti-church had
greater power inside the churchthan it does now.
SPEAKER_03 (43:28):
Yeah, it's uh look, I mean you can't separate this
from Bishop Sheen's prophecy ofthe ape of the church.
SPEAKER_12 (43:40):
Um just for anyone watching, after we're done, on
locals, not on YouTube, onlocals, go to locals and then go
over to New A New Crusade.
SPEAKER_03 (43:52):
Um so I mean, do we want to do we want to play the
Nick clip?
Which one?
Play play the Nick clip that Iput in there.
Nick, uh Nick asked Tucker, whatabout my views do you find
unreasonable?
Okay, and discusses his positionon this issue.
I don't know how much of itwe'll play, but we'll play some
(44:13):
of it.
SPEAKER_09 (44:14):
Am I being paranoid?
I feel like going on about theJews like helps the neocons.
SPEAKER_06 (44:19):
Well, what what uh about my views do you think are
unreasonable if yours arereasonable?
SPEAKER_09 (44:24):
Um I think again, I just I don't think it's cucky.
I think it's reality to say thatguilt is not inherited, blood
guilt is bad.
One of the reasons that I'm madabout Gaza is because the
Israeli position is everyone wholives in Gaza is a terrorist
because of how they were born,including the women and the
children.
That's not a Western view.
(44:46):
That's an Eastern view.
That's a non-Christian, that'stotally incompatible with
Christianity and Westerncivilization.
They say, or the defenders ofWestern civilization.
Not with that attitude, you'renot.
Collective punishment is theenemy of Western civilization.
Yeah.
And so I hate that attitude.
It's genocidal.
The current claims that I'm acancer, you know, from Ben
(45:07):
Shapiro or whatever, we need tobe excised from the body of
conservatism is a genocidalposition that it basically
encourages violence, as theywell know.
The whole thing I hate.
So, like anytime you say a wholegroup of people is responsible
for the sins of some of itsmembers, like I'm out.
Yeah, but that's not my view.
It's not okay.
So what are so tell me yourviews?
(45:28):
Like, rather than you're one ofthose people, one of the reasons
I wanted to meet you is you'reone of those people who is
defined by clips.
Yes.
And I'm one of those peoplealso.
Yes, yes, so I get it.
So I'm gonna just shut up.
And you tell me what youactually believe.
Yeah, well, and and listen, Imean, and I appreciate your.
SPEAKER_03 (45:56):
We don't believe in like like it's not it's not that
because of your genetic, likeany, any, any Jew can become
Catholic.
The dividing wall of uh ofhostility between Jew and
Gentile has been has beenknocked down by Christ.
The original apostles wereJewish, our lady was Jewish.
This is not something youreceive genetically or anything
(46:19):
like that.
And I don't think Nick has everespoused that either.
That's not what we're sayinghere.
It's not like it's and andthat's why it's not correct to
say all Jews, like you cannotsay that.
It's just but it's still notwrong to say the Jews are doing
this, like it's just like theyare a group.
Saint Paul calls them that, uhSaint Saint John the Apostle
(46:39):
calls them that.
SPEAKER_06 (46:40):
It's it all of the church fathers do, so and then
let's uh let's actually hearfrom Nick what he's saying
because it's that's just thereality of the media environment
we're in.
So if you I don't expect you toknow all my views, but I mean,
as far as the Jews areconcerned, I think that, like I
(47:03):
said, you cannot actuallydivorce Israel and the neocons
and all those things that youtalk about from Jewishness,
ethnicity, religion, identity,and let me give you like a
perfect example.
So you say on your show that weneed to treat Israel like any
other country.
And I sort of understand that inprinciple, because Israel is
(47:27):
another foreign country.
Yeah.
But Israel is unlike every othercountry in the sense that
because the Jewish people are ina diaspora all over the world,
there are significant numbers ofJews in Europe, but also in the
United States.
And because of their uniqueheritage and story, which is
that they're a stateless people,they're unassimilable, they're
(47:50):
resist assimilation forthousands of years.
And I think that's a good thing.
Um, and now they have thisterritory in Israel.
There's a deep religiousaffection for the state.
It's bound up in their identity,the story of the exodus from
Egypt, the promise of the land,all these things.
So let's say in the UnitedStates, for example, somebody
like Isheldon Adelson, he's notIsraeli.
(48:13):
Is he an ideological neocon?
Does he believe in the promiseof democratic globalism?
I don't think necessarily.
His heart is in Israel.
And it's because he is a proudJewish person.
And I guess what I'm saying isthat if you are a Jewish person
in America, you're sort of, andagain, it's not because they're
born, but it's sort of arational self-interest
(48:36):
politically to say I'm aminority, I'm a religious,
ethnic minority.
This is not really my home.
My ancestral home is in Israel.
SPEAKER_03 (48:46):
Because you you can't you also can't separate it
from the atrocities of World WarII that are put in their heads
and every every previous told tothem that anytime somebody
starts to talk the way Nick istalking right now, it's going to
lead to another one of thoseevents.
(49:07):
Like this is this is veryimportant.
This is why getting into E.
Michael Jones's book, theHolocaust narrative, and
listening to things FatherMawsley is saying, it's like
this event is like it is there,it's it's religious for them.
(49:27):
It's they're they're justthey're they're told that it's
going to happen again if peoplestart to say anything.
That's why there's this insanereaction anytime people start
why everybody we're all told andtaught that from the moment
we're born now.
Right.
And and it's the the reaction ofanti-Semitism, like the reactor
(49:48):
we're calling somebodyanti-Semitic for just discussing
this issue is just reflexive tothem because they're told this
is going to happen again.
So it's yeah, I mean, we canfinish him out.
Okay.
SPEAKER_06 (50:06):
Israel, there's like a natural affinity that Jews
have for Israel.
And I would say, on top of that,for the international Jewish
community, they're extremelyorganized.
And many of them are critical ofIsrael or Israel's current
government or the project ofIsrael.
But I guess what they have incommon, unlike, let's say, like
(50:26):
Singapore, for example, is thatthey have this international
community across borders,extremely organized, uh, that is
putting the interests ofthemselves before the interests
of their home country.
And there's like, there's noother country that has a similar
arrangement like that.
No other country has a strongidentity like that, this
(50:46):
religious blood and soilconviction, this history of
being in the diaspora,stateless, wandering,
persecuted.
Um, and in particular, thehistoric animosity between the
Jewish people and the Europeans.
They hate the Romans.
SPEAKER_03 (51:03):
Well, actually, finish that one little part.
SPEAKER_06 (51:08):
Because the Romans destroyed the temple.
That's why Eric Weinstein goesto the Arch of Titus and gives
it the finger and takes apicture.
We don't think like that asAmericans and white people.
We don't think about the RomanEmpire in 2,000 years ago.
SPEAKER_12 (51:22):
I will challenge him on that.
SPEAKER_03 (51:24):
As a white person, men think about the Roman Empire
all the time.
You can take it off.
No, but he's not wrong in thatthey are part of their identity
is that they are they areeverywhere they go, eventually
they get thrown out of.
(51:46):
There's eventually some kind ofa pogrom against them.
This is part of their identity,right?
So after the after the war, weall come out, and we as
Christians and Catholicsspecifically, our approach to
all people is oh, love yourneighbor, like love your enemy,
(52:07):
treat others the way you want.
The golden rule, they're taught,no matter how kind they seem to
be to you now, they're going toturn on you eventually.
So, like, there's this there isthis psychological dynamic to
their identity that is unlikeanything, anybody being
Christian.
I'm not, I'm not no, but it'snot just that, Rob.
(52:29):
It's that we are we we are told.
SPEAKER_12 (52:33):
You don't know what I was gonna say because you
didn't let me finish.
Well, I was afraid you weregonna say something.
SPEAKER_03 (52:37):
No, I was afraid you were I was trying to cut you off
on purpose there.
We are told to like to to lovethem because they are a child of
God or whatever, but they arenot, they still recognize we are
told there's no enmity betweenJews and Christians, they are
not told that they are taughtthere is an inherent enmity
(52:58):
between Jews and Christians,they are taught to be suspicious
of Christians at all times, butyou are told not to be
suspicious of them, and you areanti-Semitic if you are
suspicious of them, but it'sit's not the same way for them.
They are told to always besuspicious of Christians, so
this is like a very importantpart of the of the dynamic
(53:19):
between the two because they'restill suspicious of us, but
we've been disarmed and told bythe church to stop being
suspicious.
Yep, that would actually becorrect, though.
It would, yeah.
You should love them becausethey are your enemy.
(53:39):
We are not told that we are toldto love them because they are
children of God.
That is the problem.
They're not children of God,they're not baptized.
It would be correct to say youshould because you should love
your enemies to the point ofmartyrdom, should be willing to
lay down your life for yourenemies, but that's not actually
what we're taught.
That's that's the problem.
Like it just it's it's it's youshould absolutely love everyone,
(54:03):
you need to treat everyone theway you want to be treated.
The golden rule still applies,you just can't be ignorant and
naive about this.
That's all.
Like, you need to understandwhat is happening here, you need
to be fully aware of the dynamicbetween the the the historic
conflict between Jews andChristians that has been going
on since the destruction of thetemple.
SPEAKER_12 (54:25):
Um, little flowers.
Uh so little for those who can'tsee because you're listening,
little flowers says uh the Jewsthey're questioning our
statement that the Jews were theoverwhelmed who took the liturgy
and uh the free Freemasons.
Well, if you actually listen orread uh Saint Maximilian Colby,
he will tell you, you know,Maximilian Colby, the the martyr
(54:48):
of the Holocaust, um, who we'retold lots of things about, but
we're not told that he says thatthe Freemasons are led by the
um, how do you put it?
The um rat like rabid Jewishclique.
So when we say that the theliturgy is overtaking by the
(55:08):
Jews and some other people here,Freemasons, it's the same thing,
it's the different things.
SPEAKER_03 (55:13):
Yeah, it's the same thing.
So look, I I don't know how muchyou can talk about this issue
here.
We're testing the waterstonight, though.
We're certainly testing thewaters tonight.
SPEAKER_12 (55:25):
I would love it if we found other subjects for the
next couple of weeks because itdoes get old.
SPEAKER_03 (55:31):
It does, but this is I mean, how do you not talk
about this?
No, I mean we had to for sure.
You have you have to.
I mean, the Daily Wire boughtthe most influential Catholic
podcast.
SPEAKER_12 (55:44):
An organization owned and run by a Jew and a
Judeo-Protestant, yeah, aZionist.
Bought the number one Catholicpodcast.
SPEAKER_03 (55:55):
So you have to talk about this, and it's like I
don't know where this goes, butI love Matt.
This is not I'm not that's thething.
SPEAKER_12 (56:04):
I don't want people to we flew to Ohio for his cigar
shop opening.
SPEAKER_03 (56:11):
We don't dislike Matt guys, yeah.
No, and I don't and I don't andI don't necessarily know if he
even know understands what thisis, you know.
And the reason he might notunderstand what this is is
because it's not spoken about,but it's a hell of a freaking
good offer.
It's like, yeah, you know what?
All that work you're putting in,come with us, we'll throw you a
(56:32):
couple million bucks instead,and now you get to sit back and
just have conversations.
We'll take care of everything.
It's like, I don't know how thehell you turn that down.
Uh, I got it.
I got it.
I mean, if somebody offered mewhat I make in construction,
it'd be hard for me to turndown.
I'm not gonna lie.
That was where the last groupwent wrong.
(56:52):
I don't think I would uh I look,this issue is too important for
me to no.
I no, there's not there'snothing the Daily Wire could
throw at me to get me to gothere and change change change
my my my beliefs on this.
Like this is this, I think, isapocalyptic.
I think it is the most one ofthe most important things that
(57:13):
needs to be discussed right now.
I think it is the preeminentissue, and it's tied in with the
liturgy, it's tied in withtraditional Catholicism, it's
tied in with the new mass, it'stied in with all this stuff.
It's tied in with it's tied inwith the passion of the church,
(57:34):
like it's just too important,it's too important, and I and
you know, it's that's what Iwanted.
I'm not even gonna make thatconnection.
Like, I'm just it's it's justit's just a big deal, and I you
know, I don't know.
(57:55):
It was too hard for me to knockit on and at least talk about
this tonight, especially afterboring last week.
Last week was a bit boring, butum tonight had to be talked
about, and then all right, sowhen we go over to locals
tonight, we have a couple ofideas.
Uh, one is we could talk aboutthe Somalian takeover of
Minneapolis, which is prettywild.
SPEAKER_12 (58:16):
We have video of it.
Um so glad I get to be downthere next or this weekend.
SPEAKER_03 (58:22):
Or I had an idea of do bro, like I had the idea, I
wanted to call it ex algorithmroulette, where we just where we
just pop on a video feed, and weyou know, when you flip up, new
videos come up, and I just wantto see what comes up on my
algorithm, and so you guys cansee why I'm getting so
radicalized versus Rob's feed tosee what Rob's getting
(58:42):
radicalized by.
And I want to compare the twofeeds to see if it is it just
me, am I just being fed raceriot stuff where they're trying
to you know cause a race war andlike we'll find out like
anti-feminist misogynistcontent?
(59:02):
Is that everybody, or is it justme?
That's what I'm kind of curiousto see.
So I think we should Rob wantedto call it uh, yeah, we're gonna
do roulette.
What we're gonna do, we're gonnado X algorithm roulette because
I kind of want to see, am I justbeing goaded into hating
everybody right now, or is itjust because of the things I
(59:23):
follow, or is it like does Robhave all like hunting content
and gun content?
SPEAKER_12 (59:27):
And it's like not so much hunting, but you'll
probably all see eggnog for somereason, and you'll have no idea
why.
SPEAKER_03 (59:35):
Man, if you guys see my algorithm, you come on this
show ranting every other night,also.
Man, I'm telling you, I'm readyto all I see is like ridiculous,
insane novus ordo stuff.
Then I'll see just I'll seeblack people just like beating
up innocent white people for noreason, and I'll see like the
(59:56):
craziest stuff on my algorithm.
Let's check it out.
I love how you said it through.
An innocent there.
Let's play.
Well, that's what it is.
They're purposely showing melike this poor innocent white
person just gets beat up by 30ridiculous out of control black
people.
And it's like, I don't know ifthat's happening everywhere, or
if it's just happening in myalgorithm to make me think it's
(01:00:16):
happening everywhere.
SPEAKER_12 (01:00:17):
It's the algorithm is a mirror.
The question is, is Anthony thepoor person or CD Africans?
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:25):
You'll probably see a lot of Fuentes clips popping
up in my feed, I'll tell youthat.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:30):
That kid's grown on me, I'll say that much.
Um all right.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:35):
So we're going to locals.
SPEAKER_12 (01:00:36):
Is that what you're saying?
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:37):
Yeah, we're gonna head over to locals.
Um, pray for Matt, pray for uhMatt Walsh, pray for Michael
Knowles.
Um pray for all those guys.
I mean, look, they're Catholicsand a and uh uh a Zionist
outfit.
Let's pray they still bringpeople to Catholicism.
I don't I'm sure look, they'reit they're still serving good.
I'm sure plenty of people areconverting to Catholicism
(01:00:59):
because of their content.
I just you know any any kind ofcensored content when you're
talking about the faith isdangerous, especially when
you're downplaying very seriousissues because that's kind of
how they've passed all thethings on to us since the
council is people, it's notnecessarily people pushing bad
things, it's people keepingtheir mouth shut when these bad
(01:01:21):
things were happening.
It's you know, the the newspringtime, and it's the new
Pentecost, and it's thehermeneutic of continuity, and
it's downplaying the problems inthe council, and making it like
the the the documents that werea little bit tricky, were
perfectly fine.
It's all that stuff is what'sled us to where we are.
(01:01:41):
So I think it's time that wejust start talking about the
things that are actuallyimportant.
SPEAKER_12 (01:01:45):
You get requisite with avoiding Babylon or
Manashevitz with Fred?
Manashevitz with Fred?
I would have never pronouncedthat right.
Manashevitz with Fred.
You've never seen Manashevitzwine?
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:57):
No.
All right, guys, we're goingover to locals.
Join us over there.
We'll we'll figure out the uhthe X algorithm roulette.
SPEAKER_12 (01:02:05):
What video do I want to play to take us out?
SPEAKER_03 (01:02:10):
Requisite sellers.
I don't know.
Truth telling what avoidingBabylon.
SPEAKER_12 (01:02:17):
You know what?
We're gonna we're gonna everyoneget to watch this again.
So I'm sorry, guys.
SPEAKER_11 (01:02:25):
Come to the peace of heaven and earth, come to the
table of an tea.
God will provide for all thegreen here at the table of pen
tea come and sit at my tablewhere says and sinners are
(01:02:54):
friends.
SPEAKER_10 (01:02:55):
I wait to welcome the share of my to the beast of
heaven and earth, come to thetable of plenty.
SPEAKER_11 (01:03:16):
God will provide for all that we need here at the
table of plenty.
My dear friends, Anthony and Rumble, it would be
my utmost honor if avoidingBabylon could be present at my
upcoming Council of Trentconference.
I've turned it the Conference ofTrent is a funny point.
(00:33):
So I'm excited to announce thefirst ever Council of Trent
conference at St.
Francis of Assisi CatholicChurch.
The theme is going to be how toevangelize online, and to help
you do that, we have a lot ofgreat speakers who will be
joining me, also inviting overtwo dozen Catholic social media
artists who will join us forspecial panel discussions.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
So I've said yes to this offer, just in case I
wasn't clear on that.
I'm joining the Daily Wire andI'm really happy about it.
SPEAKER_12 (01:35):
I do need those glasses.
I do.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
He just put your your face on Patrick.
SPEAKER_12 (01:45):
That's why I was wearing such a gay never mind.
SPEAKER_03 (01:47):
You should pull up the um the we're gonna make a
gay sweater, Joke.
SPEAKER_12 (01:54):
I almost asked him, like, why'd you put me in such a
gay sweater?
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
That's not nice.
Um why don't you pull up thevideo?
The video that I was talkingabout in the green room.
SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
Because I was watching, I was watching Frad
this morning, and this is whatit felt like watching Frad this
morning.
I see I see Matt put out a videoand he said, special
announcement.
And um I'm like, okay, what isthis, man?
Matt's Matt's got uh anannouncement about the future of
his show.
SPEAKER_12 (02:25):
Do you know how much stuff is on your timeline?
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
It's no, it's in the show notes.
No, it's is it?
Yes, it is.
It's like oh, yeah, it is right.
You gotta be kidding me.
This is your timing, it'sterrible.
My timing?
Yeah, comedic comedy is likebased on timing.
So I tuned into Matt's show thismorning.
SPEAKER_12 (02:44):
I do agree that comedy is based on timing.
SPEAKER_02 (02:47):
I definitely do agree.
All right, pop it up.
So this is this is what I uh Ituned into.
Whenever you're ready.
This is what it felt likewatching Matt this morning.
(03:16):
All right, all right, all right.
That's basically what it's feltlike being Catholic since 2013
in general.
SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
Um, you like the TLM?
SPEAKER_12 (03:28):
Take this.
Um, so they talk about Catholicguilt.
I think they need to talk aboutCatholic masochism more.
SPEAKER_03 (03:34):
Yes, well, it there is something to that, right?
Like you're basically justbeaten down by the hierarchy,
but okay, so let's get let's getinto Matt.
SPEAKER_12 (03:42):
Um, yes, we are definitely a guy show guys.
Boomer humor.
SPEAKER_03 (03:50):
Come on, you gotta be kidding me.
Um, so um the thing is, nonobody should be surprised by
the news of uh that came outfrom Matt this morning because
well, okay, for those of you whomaybe don't know, Matt Fred sold
out pints of pints with Aquinasto the Daily Wire.
(04:10):
So that's quite the wording.
So Matt, right?
So Matt announced this morningthat he will describe it.
He's sold out pints with thequinas.
Sold out Pints of the Aquinas,the Daily Wire.
Matt is joining the Daily Wire.
They have basically bought hispodcast.
So um, for anybody that's likesurprised by this news, it
(04:32):
really shouldn't be a surprise.
So it's um, you guys are suchhaters, and it's sad to see how
low you guys can get.
Exalt your brother and not tearhim down.
I honestly feel sorry for youguys.
We're praying for you all foryou guys all.
All you do is criticize.
SPEAKER_12 (04:46):
All right, first off, that's not how you spell
criticizing.
Second off, shut up.
Who's the one hate watching aYouTube show in in the live chat
typing away?
SPEAKER_03 (04:57):
Like just shut up and listen to what we have to
say before you even make thatcomment.
Okay, so the the the thing is,I've I mean, I think everybody's
kind of long suspected Matt wasgoing to go there.
Um, he's clearly been aiming forit, yes.
And well, and also the thing ishe said he said on his show this
morning, he's like, I don't, youknow, I they told me I have
(05:18):
complete creative control,nobody should worry about a
change in the show, and uh I'mnot going to be interviewing uh
guys in politics.
But I mean, Frad, if you justwatch his guest list over the
past year, it's the guy from thethe Babylon B was on, Eric
Metaxas was on, apostate profitwas on, you had uh uh Tammy
(05:40):
Peterson on.
I mean, you had uh Knowles hasbeen on like he's literally had
the guest list from um he's hadthe guest list from the Daily
Wire just basically runningthrough uh Andrew Claven.
He's I mean he's had you knowconstantly a constant stream of
these guys coming over.
(06:01):
So I don't think I was surprisedby it.
And no, his show probably won'tchange much.
Um they they don't need it tochange much.
So the the thing is a lot ofpeople are saying, like Matt
never really talked aboutZionism or the Israel-Gaza
conflict.
No, he never did.
SPEAKER_12 (06:18):
So the the thing is you cannot separate this
announcement from the only timeI've ever heard the Israel-Gaza
thing discussed on his showswhen a certain priest he brought
on discussed it in rather strongterms.
SPEAKER_03 (06:34):
Not just discussed it in strong terms, he used the
phrase used the phrase wokeright, you know, like he he
bought right into the JamesLindsay phrasing, the woke right
stuff, and you know, it it wasit was it was bizarre the way
that went down, but yes, weheard that tonight, yes.
Well, that that's the otherthing, like even the intro video
(06:55):
joking around about us not beinginvited to Trent's thing, like
we we will never be invited tothose things because we choose
to talk with people like FatherMaudsley, right?
And the thing is, a few monthsback, if you go back, we started
talking about this issue, and Istarted saying this the divide
in the church is not going to beover the Latin mass and the
(07:15):
sordo, the divide is going to beover this issue.
It was when the the PhylosProject came out.
The Phylos Project came out, andthe announcement that came out
today cannot be separated fromNick Fuentes being platformed by
Dave Smith, PBD, and thenfinally on Tucker Carlson.
Them releasing this statementthe day after the Tucker Carlson
(07:38):
interview, you cannot separatethose things.
And anybody who says that's aconspiracy theory is just
ignorant to reality.
The Catholic Inc crowd isextremely worried about
grouperism, very worried aboutit.
We saw Christian Wagner went tothe Catholic Creators Conference
a few months back, and he wasmaking friends with those guys,
(08:00):
and we thought there was goingto be some kind of
collaboration.
He wasn't invited to Trent'sconference.
I don't know this for a fact,but I would say he might have
been invited, maybe he said no,to be fair.
Just possible.
But if you ask me, it seems morelike Wagner is too adjacent to
the Grupers, he just had PineSap on, and I would think that's
more likely of a reason why heisn't in that crowd.
(08:22):
This is a very big issue.
Now, we know that there is ahuge propaganda push from the
Zionists right now.
They just bought TikTok and theyare massively flooding social
media right now.
I mean,$7,000 per tweet.
The idea that look, them gettingMatt is not that Matt will now
(08:47):
push Zionist talking points.
It's that Matt will now notinterview anybody that's even
remotely controversial on thatsubject.
It's more that it's more that itit's it's presenting a version
of Catholicism that is Zionistfriendly rather than actually
(09:07):
discussing this issue from theperspective of the church as it
always has presented it.
The church has always recognizedthe enmity between Jews and
Christians, it just has.
(11:39):
So that's why many people thatsee this issue, they you know,
they may just start to recognizethe the worldly infiltration,
and they may they may start torecognize the Jewish
infiltration into our politicalsystem, where you know people
are are sponsored by you know,politicians are sponsored by
APAC, whether they're Republicanor Democrat, uh Jews have dual
(11:59):
citizenship with Israel and theyhave it in America.
So they may start to see it onthat level.
But when you start to see thechurch's change in stance on
this issue, it goes back to thecouncil.
I mean, it it comes from afterthe goes back to the war, but
goes back to the post-warconsensus, then they have the
council, and then there's thisdrastic change in the way the
church uh relates to uh allreligions, but mainly no
(12:24):
shortate is mainly about theJews, like it's it's essentially
about the church's positiontowards the people of the old
covenant.
Um, so the idea that I and Iwant to be charitable to Matt
because I think Matt was feelingoverwhelmed.
I think that I think running apodcast like his, especially his
wife having the healthconditions that she had, I
(12:46):
really do think he was gettingoverwhelmed, and he was just
like, I don't know what I'mgonna do with this thing.
It's it's a lot doing this.
Like Rob and I do it twice aweek, it's for two hours a
night, and we kind of wing itwhen we come on.
We don't really plan anythingout, we're not booking guests
and flying them in, we're notdoing a tenth.
SPEAKER_12 (13:02):
We're not even even when we talk to someone about a
book, we haven't read the book,we don't have the time.
SPEAKER_03 (13:08):
You yeah, so it's like so so I think he was
feeling very overwhelmed, andthey come to him and they
present him with this offer, andin his mind, it's like, oh,
that'll just take such a loadoff of me.
I could focus on just thecontent aspect because the
content is actually the easiestpart of this, like just coming
on and talking, like you enjoyit.
(13:28):
You come on, you have aconversation, and that's a wrap.
But there's so much stuff thatgoes on in the back end, running
a business, he's got a cigarlounge, he's got this, he's got
that, he's got a lot going on.
So they present this offer tohim, and he's like, All right,
I'll do it, you know.
So I don't I don't want toascribe like ill intent to Matt.
I don't know if I don't know, Ican't read his heart, I have no
(13:52):
idea where he's coming from withthis.
I just know this issue is veryimportant, and the things that
Nick Fuentes is talking aboutare very important.
And the the fact that Catholicsnowadays don't actually talk
about the the essence of thesestories from the old testament
describing the enmity betweenthe older and younger brother,
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and how that is actually goingto play out in the story of
Christianity, and how at the endof time we hear constantly about
how the Jews still play a rolein salvation.
Yes, they do, they play a verysignificant role in salvation
towards the end of time becausethey are going to be the ones
who persecute the church, theyare going to be the ones who
(14:36):
persecute the church, just likethey persecuted the Christ in
the for in the when Christ comesthe first time in the passion of
the church, just as in thepassion of the Christ, it will
be the Sanhedrin who persecutesthe messiah, which is the
church.
SPEAKER_12 (14:51):
I mean, it's uh I just saw a tweet that I'd
retweeted from Joshua Charleslike four months ago, where he
he he lays out how the churchfathers were 100 completely
unanimous, and that the Jewswould accept the antichrist as
their as their messiah, at leastinitially, and and throngs of
(15:11):
heretics will follow as well.
SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
So you're talking about Christian Zionists right
because they're spirituallyJews, right?
Protestants for the most partare spiritually Jews.
So Christian Zionists are alsogoing to follow.
So this is my concern when youhave things like the Phylos
Project and Catholics pushingZionism.
It's dangerous because whatyou're doing is it's like a
(15:35):
spiritual blindness that you'reputting over people where they
it's an abuse of Christiancharity.
Um, uh yes, Zionism is directlyrelated to Noshrotate and
Vatican II, and Vatican II isdirect directly related to
permission to celebrate the TLM.
It's the elephant in the roombehind the intra-tri, of course,
but that's that's kind of mypoint.
Like this stuff all is going togo back to the council, and all
(15:57):
this.
It's so in interesting that thisis all going on in Rome today on
the anniversary of Nostro, don'tthey?
Play the one I I put a clip ofLeo speaking today in Rome about
this stuff.
This is this is such animportant issue, and this is
(16:19):
listen listen to this.
SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
Initially, Pope John XXIII commissioned Cardinal
Augustin Beyat to present atreatise to the council
describing a new relationshipbetween the Catholic Church and
Judaism.
We can say, therefore, that thefourth chapter dedicated to
Judaism is the heart andgenerative core of the entire
declaration.
For the first time in thehistory of the Church, we have a
doctrinal text with anexplicitly theological basis
(16:44):
that illustrates the Jewishroots of Christianity in a
well-founded biblical manner.
At the same time, Nostreetatetakes a firm stand against all
forms of anti-Semitism.
Thus, in its following chapter,Nostreetate teaches that we
cannot truly call on God theFather of all if we refuse to
treat in a brotherly or sisterlyway any man or woman created in
(17:07):
the image of God.
Indeed, the church rejects allforms of discrimination or
harassment because of race,color, condition of life, or
religion.
This historic document,therefore.
SPEAKER_03 (17:18):
Okay, exactly.
So uh Jay Dyer posted.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_12 (17:23):
I was just gonna say, for um anyone who noticed
who he mentioned at thebeginning, uh Augustine Bayer.
If you want to know uh what youshould think of an Australia
Tete, research who that was.
SPEAKER_03 (17:35):
Uh, it wasn't an AI dub.
I sped it up to 1.5 when Iscreen recorded it, just because
Leo speaks very slowly, so Ijust sped it up a little bit
when I screen recorded it.
So now John Paul II on Jews andJudaism said some interesting
things.
This is from Boston College.
I don't know if this isliterally what he said, but Jews
live in covenant with God wasone of the things.
(17:56):
Yes, they do, because thecovenant comes with curses, they
are under the curses of thecovenant, like the covenant cut
the covenant with God, theybroke the covenant, so they are
under the curses, so they'redispersed throughout the
nations, the temple isdestroyed, right?
That's that's always been theCatholic position.
Uh, there exists uh a divinelywilled ongoing bond between
(18:16):
Judaism and Christianity, yes,in respect to well, the the
elder younger brother, the elderand younger brother, and that
plays out throughout the ages.
There's always this enmitybetween the two of them.
SPEAKER_12 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean, even when Joseph was separated from
his brothers in another country,they still had a bond that had
to be settled later on.
SPEAKER_03 (18:37):
There exists, I'm sorry, wait, Judaism has its own
distinctive vocation in thedivine plan.
Yes, it does, because there willbe a conversion of the Jews at
the end of time.
Like they're they're going tothere's going to be a
unification of the brothers.
There's going to be a healing ofthe bond between the brothers,
just like Joseph is reunitedwith his brothers, right?
Um now there is some some weirdstuff in here too that I don't
(19:02):
know if I could uh I coulddefinitely go along with, but
just just like that's just kindof some of the stuff that that
I'll I'll you know I'll say youcould write up to um what John
Paul was getting at.
It's like there's a way to tosay these things are true while
also you know recognizing thatthey're true in that there's
(19:23):
there's still a role for them toplay in the story of salvation
history.
It's just yeah, it's not thatthey're saved in the covenant
that they're in, it's thatthere's just still a role for
them to play in salvationhistory.
So um the okay, so now uh uh catuh classical theist wrote this.
He wrote, in past ages, thechurch granted protections for
(19:46):
the Jews so long as let me bringthat up so people can yeah,
bring that up.
So Matt Matt gives hisannouncement, and classical
theist writes this, and this isvery important.
This is stuff we've spoken aboutwhen we've had Father Maudsley
on, and it's that in a proper,properly Catholic society, the
church would grant protectionsfor the Jews so long as they
(20:07):
harmonize within Catholicsociety.
They couldn't they couldn't umloan money at interest, there
was no usury around, theyweren't allowed to take
positions of high government,things like that, because they
couldn't influence Catholicsociety.
Now it seems like Catholics cangive be given influence, but
only in in their gift so long asCatholics harmonize with Jews
Zionist interests, is that apreferable arrangement?
(20:29):
So now think about this.
If you speak out against any ofthis stuff, you get canceled.
Now it's loosened up a littlebit in the past couple of years,
but even this conversation wouldnot have been able to be had a
few years back.
SPEAKER_12 (20:44):
And you have to recognize it's it's the same no
matter who is in powerpolitically.
When the left's in powerpolitically, Catholics um, you
know, Catholics can haveinfluence as long as you don't
talk about homosexuality, gaymarriage, transgenderism, thing
like that.
When the right's so-called rightisn't influence and power, you
(21:07):
can be Catholic and haveinfluence as long as you don't
talk about uh Judaism and youknow uh crazy prodights and
disciplines dispensationalismand all you know.
So yeah, we live in uh occupiedsociety, you know, and the the
remnants of Christendom whereeverything's turned upside down.
SPEAKER_03 (21:26):
It's a Zog government, right?
It's like yeah, there's you'reyou're just this it's a complete
inversion of the way it'ssupposed to be, okay?
So now them getting Matt to jointhe Daily Wire.
It's like we we've all talkedfor years about when is somebody
going to start the CatholicDaily Wire?
(21:47):
Because we wanted a wealthyCatholic to put his money behind
some some Catholic podcastersand put them together to present
something like the Daily Wire,but very Catholic, explicitly
Catholic, right?
What is happening now is theDaily Wire caught so much grief
after getting rid of Candace andBrett.
So much grief after getting ridof Candace and Brett, right?
SPEAKER_12 (22:09):
And I mean, there were there were rumors that they
were asking people to pay takepay cuts and you know letting
people go.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
Yeah, they were almost gonna go out of business,
but the the whole the wholething starts as cr as the as the
the the uh drama around Christthe king.
Candace starts tweeting Christthe king.
Yeah, Nick Fuentes is tweetingChrist is king.
Like, this is how this wholething starts.
So now Ben Shapiro is catchingso much crap, and the Daily Wire
(22:39):
is just known as a Zionistplatform.
And if you speak out against theJews, you're gonna get begged.
Now, Walsh, everybody's beenlike getting on Walsh for how
long now?
Like, Matt, you have to leavethere.
Like you are flat out saying theUS government should not be
supporting any foreigngovernment, but you just draw
this line at Israel and you kindof just don't want to talk about
Israel.
It's the elephant in the roomover there.
(23:00):
So to get rid of this reputationof just being a Zionist
platform, they start picking upCatholics.
So they go and get that girlIsabel Brown.
She's a Catholic, and nowthey're grabbing Matt Walsh.
The whole thing is to make, andnow all the Catholics who like
Matt Walsh are going, This isCatholic infiltration, this is
Catholic infiltration of theDaily Wire.
(23:22):
No, it is not, it is Zionistsilencing of very important
Catholic voices.
SPEAKER_12 (23:27):
One of the the more annoying um phrases I saw today
on Twitter was someone sayingthe the typical line, like, um,
why are people getting so youknow so mad when you know when
when we agree with 80% of youknow say Ben Shapiro?
And I think that's such ascrewed up way of looking at it
(23:48):
when so much of our faith is allor nothing propositions, right?
Sure, maybe I like the samepizza as Ben Shapiro.
Maybe uh, you know, we bothdislike Kamala Harris, but the
fact that he doesn't believe ina triune god means I don't agree
with him at all.
Yeah, you know, like like it's80, maybe in terms of number,
(24:11):
but it's literally zero percentwhen it comes to things that
actually matter, you know, foryour eternal soul.
SPEAKER_03 (24:16):
So, no, I don't agree with Ben Shapiro in any
way, shape, or form, and norwould I ever have anything to do
with an organization he's a partof it's just uh it's just about
them being able like you talkabout like oh has have have Jews
infiltrated the church?
It's like well, they yes,they've infiltrated our liturgy,
(24:37):
yes, and now they are literallygetting the most influential
Catholics, the most influentialCatholics, and putting them
under a a company who will notlet them discuss this issue at
all in any kind of a significantway.
Yeah, they'll just pretend theyjust won't discuss it.
It's not like Matt's gonnabecome a Zionist, he's not gonna
start spouting Zionistpropaganda, he's just not gonna
(25:00):
talk about it at all.
At all, nor will he know and hedefinitely won't have guests on
now.
Right, he's not, and it's andit's who he's going to have
conversations with, they aregoing to influence who he speaks
to.
They already have, like theythey already have.
I mean, they have it.
Look, the one of my one of themost disappointing things I saw
(25:20):
happen with Jonathan Peugeot waswhen Peugeot was talking with
with Ben Shapiro, and they weretalking about the story of Cain
and Abel, and Ben Shapiro wasgiven his own Jewish
interpretation of that story,and Peugeot just kept his mouth
shut.
And I was like, Jonathan knowswhat that story's really about.
He knows what that story isreally about, he understands
(25:42):
that story is actually about theJews and the Gentiles.
Like that is a that is a uh aforeshadowing of what's going to
happen when when the oldcovenant, when the people of the
old covenant reject the newcovenant, like these things are
all foreshadowed.
And Jonathan just didn't sayanything because he didn't want
to have an awkward conversationwith with Ben Shapiro.
(26:04):
Frad was already not going tosay anything, but now he has
more reach to talk about theI've seen this too, and I
disagree.
SPEAKER_12 (26:11):
The the individual chat the channels of the
individual creators at DailyWire, besides Knowles and Walsh,
aren't any bigger than Frad'schannel is?
They they have what 1 millionsubscribe paid subscribers, so
yeah, that's more than Frad'swhat six seven hundred thousand.
Do you think the seven hundredthousand of those million that
(26:32):
are evangelicals are suddenlygoing to suddenly watch Matt
Frad?
No, his reach hasn't grown atall.
SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
And if anything, I think it's like he'll get more
publicity and they'll andthey'll put more advertising
behind his stuff and he'll havemore sponsors now.
It's more money, it's more,yeah, it's more money, but money
and it's a lot easier of a jobfor him.
I'm I know I'm look, I'm notlike I said, I'm not putting I'm
not trying to put bad motives onthat.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm justtelling you what the reality is.
(26:59):
The reality is there is there isa real fear of grouperism right
now, like a real fear of it.
That you see it when people areflipping out the Tucker platform
Nick Fuentes.
And Nick has managed to get thisconversation out into the
public, and he's speaking aboutit in a way where he's he's
(27:20):
saying, look, there's there'sthis influence in our society by
people who also have this thisdual loyalty, you know, the
whole conversation he's having,and he's talking about having
how it does uh tie into identityand all this stuff, and they and
over the last six months to ayear, he's actually doing it in
an approachable way fornon-grupers, right?
SPEAKER_12 (27:41):
That that I think is what is really scaring them is
that he's actually starting toreach outside of his base.
SPEAKER_03 (27:50):
Well, okay, so um he does have editorial control.
Look, I'm not I'm not sayingMatt has lost editorial control
of his show.
What I'm telling you is there'sjust going to be guests he won't
have on because he works at theDaily Wise, it's just just the
way it is.
He's already done that, likehe's already done that.
Well, we we have text proving itright with Daniel O'Connor
(28:14):
O'Connor, like Daniel O'Connor.
He was going to bring him on,and then people told him not to.
But if you like if that wasbefore those that was before
those people wrote hispaychecks.
You go back, listen to me.
This all started, and you guysare saying Matt's not gonna
start saying Zionist stuff.
What do you think his littlepost, what the heck is
anti-Semitism anyway?
(28:35):
A Socratic dialogue on MattFrad's Substack was.
That was back in March of uhMarch 18, 2025.
This is when the talk started.
He was he was already starting,and and Michael Knowles retweets
it.
Like, this is when this stuffstarts.
Don't tell me Matt's show isn'tgoing to be affected by this.
(28:55):
Of course it is.
Of course, this stuff is going,of course, his show is going to
be affected by it.
Now, he may not be like a flatout Zionist, he may not be just
pushing for that because I thinkMatt Frad knows how to stay in
his lane.
But there's a reason that youlook, there's a reason we'll
(29:21):
never be invited into thoseconferences.
There's a it's because we talkabout things that that they that
they're they're not willing totalk about.
I mean, it and to the pointwhere the there's two dangers
here.
One is the the conversationabout the Jews goes so far that
violence occurs, right?
That is a danger, and itabsolutely is.
(29:42):
People are crazy, and we see andthe thing is you get into things
like like what you we weretalking about, like the uh narco
trans groups and stuff, andpeople getting handled in those
groups, like those Redditforums, and we were talking
about just uh someone from 764was just a Arrested today or
yesterday, I think.
(30:02):
Like those people in those inthose forums, right?
They get handled by like by CIAand and Massad and things like
that, right?
SPEAKER_12 (30:11):
Order of nine angles was created by M MI6 agent, so
yes.
SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
So those guys will be in those forums and they
don't know they're beinghandled, right?
You could have the same thing inGruper forums where they're
being handled by assets.
unknown (30:25):
Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (30:27):
In their discords, in their in their in their
grouper discord.
And you could have a guy beingthey'll they'll see a guy who's
off a little bit hearing thisstuff, and they can manipulate
him to go do something crazy andthen blame it all on the group.
Like the the danger is there forsomething bad to happen.
It just is.
SPEAKER_12 (30:44):
I think it's more likely we'll see leftist
violence violence against Jews,and they'll just rope all
anti-Semitism in together,probably.
Possible too.
SPEAKER_03 (30:54):
Either way, there's there is a possibility for
violence here.
The other danger is convincingpeople there's nothing to worry
about whatsoever.
Like, no, no, no, no, don'tworry about it.
The Jews are our are our elderbrothers in the faith, and we
have a totally differentrelationship with them, and
there's nothing to worry about,as they literally infiltrate
every facet of society, thechurch, everywhere.
(31:15):
And and we just sit back andthey take advantage of Christian
charity and our our our empathy,right?
That that that Christian impulsetowards empathy and to treat
everyone as a beloved child ofGod, and not everybody's a child
of God, everybody is created inGod's image and likeness, but
not everybody is a child of God.
You you become a child of God atdivine adoption when you are
(31:38):
baptized.
People that are not baptized arenot children of God, and you
should you should understandthat.
Like you, you, you should lovethem and treat them that way,
but you can't think they havethe same interest as you.
And the problem is in America,because we live in this
multicultural democracy, we alltend to think everybody is just
(31:58):
like us because so manyCatholics are not actually
paying attention to their faithto begin with.
Yeah, so you just you just thinkeverybody's the same as you, and
they're not.
There are people with diabolicalmotives, and that's not to say
every single Jew is like that.
No, not at all.
But it's also not incorrect tosay the Jews are doing this,
like it's it's not incorrect tosay that.
It doesn't mean every singleone, but it also is not wrong to
(32:21):
say this is them doing it, andthis is an important
conversation to have, and andyou're just not going to have it
from some very importantinfluential Catholics, and that
is scary to me.
Nobody makes more money thanLila, dude.
SPEAKER_12 (32:39):
Yeah, because you gotta understand the money that
is her salary, just what itlists as her salary.
Her travel's covered under adifferent category, her podcast
production is covered under adifferent category.
You think you think you thinkI'm going too far?
SPEAKER_03 (32:56):
I might be, I might be, and I'm sure if somebody
complains, it'll it'll happen,right?
So, look, also he we spoke withFather Maudsley, and um we would
love to put that conversation onYouTube, but he said some things
that just can't I can't put onYouTube.
SPEAKER_12 (33:13):
Not um, I mean I'm not saying we do agree with it
necessarily or disagree, but butbecause YouTube will lit like
their auto sensor will catch itimmediately.
SPEAKER_03 (33:22):
The the channel will just the it'll nuke the channel
from some of the things he said.
So we're going to release it forfree on Friday on our locals and
on Rumble.
So if you guys haven't seen thatconversation, we will release it
on Friday for free.
It right now it's it's stillbehind the paywall.
We're just trying to figure outhow we're going to release that.
We can't put it on YouTube.
I might be able to edit a fewthings out and then get it on
(33:42):
YouTube.
Um, so I I might be able to getlike a significant portion of it
on here, but I have to I have tofigure out how I'm gonna do
that, but we will make that uhavailable for free very soon.
Should we do the Recusin ad realquick, Rob?
Molly's reminding us.
SPEAKER_12 (33:59):
We probably better at this than we are, and it's
yeah.
Um, yeah, give me a second.
Uh, do we want to re-inter orshould I just play the video?
Just play the video, I'm gonnaturn my air on.
Okay, it sounds good.
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(35:38):
gonna say we're just hating onMatt.
We're just hating on Matt.
No, I'm not I'm not evenconcerned with Matt.
It's more what is happening inthe public conversation, like
these con the this issue isbeing spoken about finally, like
we're finally at a point wherewe're discussing this issue in
the public sphere now, where youcouldn't even have this
conversation 10 years ago orfive years ago, even right.
(36:01):
So once you are at the pointwhere this conversation is able
to be had, and there are solidCatholics discussing it, and
they're discussing it from aspiritual standpoint, they're
not getting into crazyconspiracy stuff and just
saying, oh, they run the banks,they run, you know, they control
point like all that stuff.
We're talking about this from atheological standpoint, and
we're talking about it from anapocalyptic standpoint.
(36:22):
Like this is a very importantissue, especially when you see
the crazy things that arehappening in the church and
world right now.
We're talking about the theopening of the floodgates of our
country to foreigners, to wherethere's going to be complete
mayhem at some point because wedon't have any culture left to
(36:44):
stick together.
There's going to be some kind ofchaos in our country, in the
west, all over.
Possibly starting Saturday.
SPEAKER_12 (36:51):
It could very possibly starting Saturday when
a hundred thousand Somalians inMinneapolis can't get their food
stamps.
SPEAKER_03 (36:59):
That's yeah, like we're talking about you're
talking about that, even couldbe look, and part of me worries
that even us being allowed totalk about this is part of their
part of the fifth gen warfare,yeah.
Part of the fifth generationalwarfare where they're like, all
right, let them talk about thisstuff, let the let the let them
(37:19):
all get riled up about it, andthen something happens and they
can pin some event on us, andlike all of this could be
manipulation.
We don't know, but it's stillimportant to talk about because
we've lost as Catholics theactual proper perspective on
salvation history and how thisstuff is supposed to play out,
and and the church no longertalks about some of the most
(37:41):
important issues uh facingChristians.
SPEAKER_12 (37:47):
Yeah, they'd rather they'd rather talk about climate
change.
SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
Bless a big block of ice, which is another form of
infiltration, getting us tofocus solely on the carnal
issues, right?
Just getting us to focus solelyon the temporal stuff, not
discussing the mass apostasythat's happened in the church,
the fact that people have losttheir faith, the fact that
there's heresy rampingeverywhere, the fact that our
liturgy is completely fallingapart.
(38:16):
It's just none of the realissues.
The church doesn't want to talkabout any of the real issues,
they would rather discussinterreligious dialogue, and
they would rather discuss how weneed to love migrants, and
they'd rather discuss loving thepoor, which is like I'm I'm not
saying corporal works of mercyare not important, they are but
(38:37):
what's more important, thespiritual works of mercy should
come first.
Every time Christ heals somebodyin the gospel, right?
Which is easier to say your sinsare forgiven, or get up and
walk.
He forgives someone's sinsbecause the spiritual sin, the
spiritual healing is moreimportant.
Oh, okay, the spiritual healingwasn't enough for you.
(38:58):
Get up and walk.
Now the physical healing comes.
So the spiritual works comebefore the corporal works, and
we're in a time where the churchdoesn't want to talk about the
spiritual works anymore, and ourrelation to this issue is so
freaking important, and nobody'stalking about it.
And and the chaos that's goingto happen throughout the world
(39:19):
and throughout throughout ourcountry, there's going to arise
a strong figure who's going tocome and put everything back
together and fix everything.
People are going to be desperateto have order out of that chaos.
SPEAKER_12 (39:33):
No, to be fair, yes, it could be the Antichrist.
Or it could just be the greatmonarch, you never know.
I know we're blackpilling, butlet's moderate it'll be the
Great Catholic monarch, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (39:51):
Yeah, I I mean I don't I'm I the the thing the
look to me things look sofreaking bad that I keep missing
it.
Things are so bad that thisdoesn't seem out of out of this
doesn't seem that crazy to me.
I don't know.
(40:12):
I mean I know everybody hateswhen I go down that road, but it
just doesn't seem that crazy tome.
SPEAKER_12 (40:21):
It could also be just a type of antichrist, too.
SPEAKER_02 (40:24):
Yeah, too, but uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (40:31):
I I mean this is something we had to talk about
tonight, and then look, and thenyou also have um I try and just
get the chat is going fast,yeah.
It's going very fast.
SPEAKER_12 (40:40):
A lot of 706 viewers uh right now.
SPEAKER_03 (40:43):
Yeah, please hit like and subscribe, guys.
Share the show.
Um you you also have while thisis going on, you have 169 likes.
Come on, guys.
You have that's in 400.
In Rome, you have Cardinal Burkewith the Summorum Pontificum uh
pilgrimage going on, andeverybody's making such a big
(41:05):
deal that the Latin mass is inSt.
Peter's, and literally acrossthe street, you have this insane
Sonatal, whatever the hell ishappening over there, the
Sonatal program.
And the Italian bishops releasedtheir Sonatal document, which
has been adjusted because thefirst time they wouldn't even
vote on it because it didn'tinclude inclusive language for
(41:25):
the LGBT and for all thisnonsense.
So they had to adjust theirdocument, and the Italian
Bishops Conference put togetherthe Sonatal document that wants
us to have a more gentleapproach to people and
acceptance for people who aretransgender, and this stuff is
legit insane.
So it's like the tale of twochurches.
(41:47):
You have Cardinal Birkin therewith this beautiful liturgy in
one side, and then you have thisinsane Sonatal stuff on the
other.
You have Matt Frad joining theDaily Wire on one side, and you
have Nick Fuentes claimingCatholicism on Tucker Carlson on
the other.
There is a split happening,guys.
Sadly, a lot of the Trads whoare who understand that there is
(42:12):
a lot of problems with theliturgy, and they have
understand there's a lot ofproblems with doctrine, don't
want to touch this issue, theydon't want to go near this issue
with a 10-foot pole.
SPEAKER_12 (42:25):
One reason why we stayed independent.
SPEAKER_03 (42:35):
Yeah, that there are trads who don't want to go near
this issue, it is an importantissue.
You're talking about look, Ieven saw I don't want to say
voice, but somebody what yeah,this is uh the Catholic Church
and the anti-church currentlycoexist in the same sacramental
liturgical and juridical space.
(42:56):
Yeah, hard to disagree withthat.
I can't disagree with that.
I mean, that that goes into Imean, that really does go into
what Benedict was saying aboutTiconius, how like the body, the
body of Christ, the body of theant uh of the devil grow into
the same body.
SPEAKER_12 (43:11):
I was gonna say it's it always has, but I don't think
at any previous point of thehistory, maybe outside of the
Aryan crisis, but but I don'tknow, um has the anti-church had
greater power inside the churchthan it does now.
SPEAKER_03 (43:28):
Yeah, it's uh look, I mean you can't separate this
from Bishop Sheen's prophecy ofthe ape of the church.
SPEAKER_12 (43:40):
Um just for anyone watching, after we're done, on
locals, not on YouTube, onlocals, go to locals and then go
over to New A New Crusade.
SPEAKER_03 (43:52):
Um so I mean, do we want to do we want to play the
Nick clip?
Which one?
Play play the Nick clip that Iput in there.
Nick, uh Nick asked Tucker, whatabout my views do you find
unreasonable?
Okay, and discusses his positionon this issue.
I don't know how much of itwe'll play, but we'll play some
(44:13):
of it.
SPEAKER_09 (44:14):
Am I being paranoid?
I feel like going on about theJews like helps the neocons.
SPEAKER_06 (44:19):
Well, what what uh about my views do you think are
unreasonable if yours arereasonable?
SPEAKER_09 (44:24):
Um I think again, I just I don't think it's cucky.
I think it's reality to say thatguilt is not inherited, blood
guilt is bad.
One of the reasons that I'm madabout Gaza is because the
Israeli position is everyone wholives in Gaza is a terrorist
because of how they were born,including the women and the
children.
That's not a Western view.
(44:46):
That's an Eastern view.
That's a non-Christian, that'stotally incompatible with
Christianity and Westerncivilization.
They say, or the defenders ofWestern civilization.
Not with that attitude, you'renot.
Collective punishment is theenemy of Western civilization.
Yeah.
And so I hate that attitude.
It's genocidal.
The current claims that I'm acancer, you know, from Ben
(45:07):
Shapiro or whatever, we need tobe excised from the body of
conservatism is a genocidalposition that it basically
encourages violence, as theywell know.
The whole thing I hate.
So, like anytime you say a wholegroup of people is responsible
for the sins of some of itsmembers, like I'm out.
Yeah, but that's not my view.
It's not okay.
So what are so tell me yourviews?
(45:28):
Like, rather than you're one ofthose people, one of the reasons
I wanted to meet you is you'reone of those people who is
defined by clips.
Yes.
And I'm one of those peoplealso.
Yes, yes, so I get it.
So I'm gonna just shut up.
And you tell me what youactually believe.
Yeah, well, and and listen, Imean, and I appreciate your.
SPEAKER_03 (45:56):
We don't believe in like like it's not it's not that
because of your genetic, likeany, any, any Jew can become
Catholic.
The dividing wall of uh ofhostility between Jew and
Gentile has been has beenknocked down by Christ.
The original apostles wereJewish, our lady was Jewish.
This is not something youreceive genetically or anything
(46:19):
like that.
And I don't think Nick has everespoused that either.
That's not what we're sayinghere.
It's not like it's and andthat's why it's not correct to
say all Jews, like you cannotsay that.
It's just but it's still notwrong to say the Jews are doing
this, like it's just like theyare a group.
Saint Paul calls them that, uhSaint Saint John the Apostle
(46:39):
calls them that.
SPEAKER_06 (46:40):
It's it all of the church fathers do, so and then
let's uh let's actually hearfrom Nick what he's saying
because it's that's just thereality of the media environment
we're in.
So if you I don't expect you toknow all my views, but I mean,
as far as the Jews areconcerned, I think that, like I
(47:03):
said, you cannot actuallydivorce Israel and the neocons
and all those things that youtalk about from Jewishness,
ethnicity, religion, identity,and let me give you like a
perfect example.
So you say on your show that weneed to treat Israel like any
other country.
And I sort of understand that inprinciple, because Israel is
(47:27):
another foreign country.
Yeah.
But Israel is unlike every othercountry in the sense that
because the Jewish people are ina diaspora all over the world,
there are significant numbers ofJews in Europe, but also in the
United States.
And because of their uniqueheritage and story, which is
that they're a stateless people,they're unassimilable, they're
(47:50):
resist assimilation forthousands of years.
And I think that's a good thing.
Um, and now they have thisterritory in Israel.
There's a deep religiousaffection for the state.
It's bound up in their identity,the story of the exodus from
Egypt, the promise of the land,all these things.
So let's say in the UnitedStates, for example, somebody
like Isheldon Adelson, he's notIsraeli.
(48:13):
Is he an ideological neocon?
Does he believe in the promiseof democratic globalism?
I don't think necessarily.
His heart is in Israel.
And it's because he is a proudJewish person.
And I guess what I'm saying isthat if you are a Jewish person
in America, you're sort of, andagain, it's not because they're
born, but it's sort of arational self-interest
(48:36):
politically to say I'm aminority, I'm a religious,
ethnic minority.
This is not really my home.
My ancestral home is in Israel.
SPEAKER_03 (48:46):
Because you you can't you also can't separate it
from the atrocities of World WarII that are put in their heads
and every every previous told tothem that anytime somebody
starts to talk the way Nick istalking right now, it's going to
lead to another one of thoseevents.
(49:07):
Like this is this is veryimportant.
This is why getting into E.
Michael Jones's book, theHolocaust narrative, and
listening to things FatherMawsley is saying, it's like
this event is like it is there,it's it's religious for them.
(49:27):
It's they're they're justthey're they're told that it's
going to happen again if peoplestart to say anything.
That's why there's this insanereaction anytime people start
why everybody we're all told andtaught that from the moment
we're born now.
Right.
And and it's the the reaction ofanti-Semitism, like the reactor
(49:48):
we're calling somebodyanti-Semitic for just discussing
this issue is just reflexive tothem because they're told this
is going to happen again.
So it's yeah, I mean, we canfinish him out.
Okay.
SPEAKER_06 (50:06):
Israel, there's like a natural affinity that Jews
have for Israel.
And I would say, on top of that,for the international Jewish
community, they're extremelyorganized.
And many of them are critical ofIsrael or Israel's current
government or the project ofIsrael.
But I guess what they have incommon, unlike, let's say, like
(50:26):
Singapore, for example, is thatthey have this international
community across borders,extremely organized, uh, that is
putting the interests ofthemselves before the interests
of their home country.
And there's like, there's noother country that has a similar
arrangement like that.
No other country has a strongidentity like that, this
(50:46):
religious blood and soilconviction, this history of
being in the diaspora,stateless, wandering,
persecuted.
Um, and in particular, thehistoric animosity between the
Jewish people and the Europeans.
They hate the Romans.
SPEAKER_03 (51:03):
Well, actually, finish that one little part.
SPEAKER_06 (51:08):
Because the Romans destroyed the temple.
That's why Eric Weinstein goesto the Arch of Titus and gives
it the finger and takes apicture.
We don't think like that asAmericans and white people.
We don't think about the RomanEmpire in 2,000 years ago.
SPEAKER_12 (51:22):
I will challenge him on that.
SPEAKER_03 (51:24):
As a white person, men think about the Roman Empire
all the time.
You can take it off.
No, but he's not wrong in thatthey are part of their identity
is that they are they areeverywhere they go, eventually
they get thrown out of.
(51:46):
There's eventually some kind ofa pogrom against them.
This is part of their identity,right?
So after the after the war, weall come out, and we as
Christians and Catholicsspecifically, our approach to
all people is oh, love yourneighbor, like love your enemy,
(52:07):
treat others the way you want.
The golden rule, they're taught,no matter how kind they seem to
be to you now, they're going toturn on you eventually.
So, like, there's this there isthis psychological dynamic to
their identity that is unlikeanything, anybody being
Christian.
I'm not, I'm not no, but it'snot just that, Rob.
(52:29):
It's that we are we we are told.
SPEAKER_12 (52:33):
You don't know what I was gonna say because you
didn't let me finish.
Well, I was afraid you weregonna say something.
SPEAKER_03 (52:37):
No, I was afraid you were I was trying to cut you off
on purpose there.
We are told to like to to lovethem because they are a child of
God or whatever, but they arenot, they still recognize we are
told there's no enmity betweenJews and Christians, they are
not told that they are taughtthere is an inherent enmity
(52:58):
between Jews and Christians,they are taught to be suspicious
of Christians at all times, butyou are told not to be
suspicious of them, and you areanti-Semitic if you are
suspicious of them, but it'sit's not the same way for them.
They are told to always besuspicious of Christians, so
this is like a very importantpart of the of the dynamic
(53:19):
between the two because they'restill suspicious of us, but
we've been disarmed and told bythe church to stop being
suspicious.
Yep, that would actually becorrect, though.
It would, yeah.
You should love them becausethey are your enemy.
(53:39):
We are not told that we are toldto love them because they are
children of God.
That is the problem.
They're not children of God,they're not baptized.
It would be correct to say youshould because you should love
your enemies to the point ofmartyrdom, should be willing to
lay down your life for yourenemies, but that's not actually
what we're taught.
That's that's the problem.
Like it just it's it's it's youshould absolutely love everyone,
(54:03):
you need to treat everyone theway you want to be treated.
The golden rule still applies,you just can't be ignorant and
naive about this.
That's all.
Like, you need to understandwhat is happening here, you need
to be fully aware of the dynamicbetween the the the historic
conflict between Jews andChristians that has been going
on since the destruction of thetemple.
SPEAKER_12 (54:25):
Um, little flowers.
Uh so little for those who can'tsee because you're listening,
little flowers says uh the Jewsthey're questioning our
statement that the Jews were theoverwhelmed who took the liturgy
and uh the free Freemasons.
Well, if you actually listen orread uh Saint Maximilian Colby,
he will tell you, you know,Maximilian Colby, the the martyr
(54:48):
of the Holocaust, um, who we'retold lots of things about, but
we're not told that he says thatthe Freemasons are led by the
um, how do you put it?
The um rat like rabid Jewishclique.
So when we say that the theliturgy is overtaking by the
(55:08):
Jews and some other people here,Freemasons, it's the same thing,
it's the different things.
SPEAKER_03 (55:13):
Yeah, it's the same thing.
So look, I I don't know how muchyou can talk about this issue
here.
We're testing the waterstonight, though.
We're certainly testing thewaters tonight.
SPEAKER_12 (55:25):
I would love it if we found other subjects for the
next couple of weeks because itdoes get old.
SPEAKER_03 (55:31):
It does, but this is I mean, how do you not talk
about this?
No, I mean we had to for sure.
You have you have to.
I mean, the Daily Wire boughtthe most influential Catholic
podcast.
SPEAKER_12 (55:44):
An organization owned and run by a Jew and a
Judeo-Protestant, yeah, aZionist.
Bought the number one Catholicpodcast.
SPEAKER_03 (55:55):
So you have to talk about this, and it's like I
don't know where this goes, butI love Matt.
This is not I'm not that's thething.
SPEAKER_12 (56:04):
I don't want people to we flew to Ohio for his cigar
shop opening.
SPEAKER_03 (56:11):
We don't dislike Matt guys, yeah.
No, and I don't and I don't andI don't necessarily know if he
even know understands what thisis, you know.
And the reason he might notunderstand what this is is
because it's not spoken about,but it's a hell of a freaking
good offer.
It's like, yeah, you know what?
All that work you're putting in,come with us, we'll throw you a
(56:32):
couple million bucks instead,and now you get to sit back and
just have conversations.
We'll take care of everything.
It's like, I don't know how thehell you turn that down.
Uh, I got it.
I got it.
I mean, if somebody offered mewhat I make in construction,
it'd be hard for me to turndown.
I'm not gonna lie.
That was where the last groupwent wrong.
(56:52):
I don't think I would uh I look,this issue is too important for
me to no.
I no, there's not there'snothing the Daily Wire could
throw at me to get me to gothere and change change change
my my my beliefs on this.
Like this is this, I think, isapocalyptic.
I think it is the most one ofthe most important things that
(57:13):
needs to be discussed right now.
I think it is the preeminentissue, and it's tied in with the
liturgy, it's tied in withtraditional Catholicism, it's
tied in with the new mass, it'stied in with all this stuff.
It's tied in with it's tied inwith the passion of the church,
(57:34):
like it's just too important,it's too important, and I and
you know, it's that's what Iwanted.
I'm not even gonna make thatconnection.
Like, I'm just it's it's justit's just a big deal, and I you
know, I don't know.
(57:55):
It was too hard for me to knockit on and at least talk about
this tonight, especially afterboring last week.
Last week was a bit boring, butum tonight had to be talked
about, and then all right, sowhen we go over to locals
tonight, we have a couple ofideas.
Uh, one is we could talk aboutthe Somalian takeover of
Minneapolis, which is prettywild.
SPEAKER_12 (58:16):
We have video of it.
Um so glad I get to be downthere next or this weekend.
SPEAKER_03 (58:22):
Or I had an idea of do bro, like I had the idea, I
wanted to call it ex algorithmroulette, where we just where we
just pop on a video feed, and weyou know, when you flip up, new
videos come up, and I just wantto see what comes up on my
algorithm, and so you guys cansee why I'm getting so
radicalized versus Rob's feed tosee what Rob's getting
(58:42):
radicalized by.
And I want to compare the twofeeds to see if it is it just
me, am I just being fed raceriot stuff where they're trying
to you know cause a race war andlike we'll find out like
anti-feminist misogynistcontent?
(59:02):
Is that everybody, or is it justme?
That's what I'm kind of curiousto see.
So I think we should Rob wantedto call it uh, yeah, we're gonna
do roulette.
What we're gonna do, we're gonnado X algorithm roulette because
I kind of want to see, am I justbeing goaded into hating
everybody right now, or is itjust because of the things I
(59:23):
follow, or is it like does Robhave all like hunting content
and gun content?
SPEAKER_12 (59:27):
And it's like not so much hunting, but you'll
probably all see eggnog for somereason, and you'll have no idea
why.
SPEAKER_03 (59:35):
Man, if you guys see my algorithm, you come on this
show ranting every other night,also.
Man, I'm telling you, I'm readyto all I see is like ridiculous,
insane novus ordo stuff.
Then I'll see just I'll seeblack people just like beating
up innocent white people for noreason, and I'll see like the
(59:56):
craziest stuff on my algorithm.
Let's check it out.
I love how you said it through.
An innocent there.
Let's play.
Well, that's what it is.
They're purposely showing melike this poor innocent white
person just gets beat up by 30ridiculous out of control black
people.
And it's like, I don't know ifthat's happening everywhere, or
if it's just happening in myalgorithm to make me think it's
(01:00:16):
happening everywhere.
SPEAKER_12 (01:00:17):
It's the algorithm is a mirror.
The question is, is Anthony thepoor person or CD Africans?
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:25):
You'll probably see a lot of Fuentes clips popping
up in my feed, I'll tell youthat.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:30):
That kid's grown on me, I'll say that much.
Um all right.
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:35):
So we're going to locals.
SPEAKER_12 (01:00:36):
Is that what you're saying?
SPEAKER_03 (01:00:37):
Yeah, we're gonna head over to locals.
Um, pray for Matt, pray for uhMatt Walsh, pray for Michael
Knowles.
Um pray for all those guys.
I mean, look, they're Catholicsand a and uh uh a Zionist
outfit.
Let's pray they still bringpeople to Catholicism.
I don't I'm sure look, they'reit they're still serving good.
I'm sure plenty of people areconverting to Catholicism
(01:00:59):
because of their content.
I just you know any any kind ofcensored content when you're
talking about the faith isdangerous, especially when
you're downplaying very seriousissues because that's kind of
how they've passed all thethings on to us since the
council is people, it's notnecessarily people pushing bad
things, it's people keepingtheir mouth shut when these bad
(01:01:21):
things were happening.
It's you know, the the newspringtime, and it's the new
Pentecost, and it's thehermeneutic of continuity, and
it's downplaying the problems inthe council, and making it like
the the the documents that werea little bit tricky, were
perfectly fine.
It's all that stuff is what'sled us to where we are.
(01:01:41):
So I think it's time that wejust start talking about the
things that are actuallyimportant.
SPEAKER_12 (01:01:45):
You get requisite with avoiding Babylon or
Manashevitz with Fred?
Manashevitz with Fred?
I would have never pronouncedthat right.
Manashevitz with Fred.
You've never seen Manashevitzwine?
SPEAKER_03 (01:01:57):
No.
All right, guys, we're goingover to locals.
Join us over there.
We'll we'll figure out the uhthe X algorithm roulette.
SPEAKER_12 (01:02:05):
What video do I want to play to take us out?
SPEAKER_03 (01:02:10):
Requisite sellers.
I don't know.
Truth telling what avoidingBabylon.
SPEAKER_12 (01:02:17):
You know what?
We're gonna we're gonna everyoneget to watch this again.
So I'm sorry, guys.
SPEAKER_11 (01:02:25):
Come to the peace of heaven and earth, come to the
table of an tea.
God will provide for all thegreen here at the table of pen
tea come and sit at my tablewhere says and sinners are
(01:02:54):
friends.
SPEAKER_10 (01:02:55):
I wait to welcome the share of my to the beast of
heaven and earth, come to thetable of plenty.
SPEAKER_11 (01:03:16):
God will provide for all that we need here at the
table of plenty.
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