September 3, 2025 • 64 mins
The cultural battle lines have never been more clearly drawn for Catholic families than they are today. In the wake of the Minnesota church shooting, we dive deep into the misunderstood story of Mary Grace Westman, a Catholic mother who faced impossible choices under Minnesota's radical gender laws. What many initially portrayed as parental complicity appears increasingly to be a story of a faith-filled mother cornered by a system designed to override parental authority.
Minnesota's legislation, championed by Governor Tim Walz, has created what amounts to a "sanctuary state" for child gender transitions – where one parent can override another's objections simply by crossing state lines. These policies represent just one facet of the moral collapse we're witnessing across society, where adults who should protect children instead cause irreparable harm under the banner of affirmation.
The conversation shifts to examine how Catholics should respond to mounting cultural hostility. We explore the false divisions between traditional and Novus Ordo Catholics, noting that when persecution comes, our enemies won't bother distinguishing between liturgical preferences. The time for circular firing squads within Catholicism has passed – we need to build coalitions of faithful Catholics prepared to weather the growing storm.
Despite the darkness, glimmers of hope emerge through personal stories. From workplace evangelization to charity toward the marginalized, we discover that living authentically Catholic lives provides opportunities to reach souls searching for meaning. One particularly powerful response has been the "Protect Catholic Kids" shirt initiative, with all proceeds supporting the Annunciation Parish families affected by the shooting.
How do we balance righteous anger at evil with Christ's call to love our enemies? How do we protect our families while remaining charitable? These questions demand answers from every faithful Catholic today. Join us as we navigate these treacherous waters and find a path forward rooted in both truth and love.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
SANGRE, sangre, amare MORTI NECLARAS NOS IN TEI SPERA
(00:44):
VERUM.
We can't let them drive, guys.
This is just.
We just can't let them.
We went old school tonightbecause Taffy's video he's
trying to get us into a fight.
Yeah, you know what, I shouldhave said something to him,
because he sent it to meyesterday.
You know what?
We can play it Really, whichone you know?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
what we can play it really which one, the first one
or the second one?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
well, it's like picking a fight with Lofton for
no reason.
The guy hasn't said anything ordone anything.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's just like if we preface it by saying Michael,
like it's funny, we're not, Idon't know I don't kind of he
doesn't have a sense of humorabout him.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You can't that's why I think we should play the
second one well, the problemwith the second one is like not
enough people know who jason is,you know?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I know, but I'm just an inside.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, it's funny.
All right, maybe we'll do thatlater.
We'll play that for you guyslater on the show.
Locals, that'll be.
Yeah, it's just, uh, we'll do.
We'll do that one a littlelater in the show.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Um man, my wife is an incredible female driver and
literally every single man Iknow is still better that's true
.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm on the phone with my wife the other day and she's
, and all of a sudden, oh, I'mlike what.
I don't know.
I just ran something over and Ihit the curb.
I think I'm like you gotta bekidding me.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Um swear after you hit it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Cause if so yeah, she , uh, she's my wife.
She's not the best driver, um,so yeah, I had, uh, please pray
for Kennedy Hall's preborn son,who has a genetic condition
incompatible with life and isnot expected to live long after.
I've had a couple ofconversations with Kennedy.
They are his wife is devastated.
(02:30):
As you guys can imagine, thingslike that are a lot, lot more
tricky for the woman than theyare for the men, especially when
you're talking about a prebornbaby, because men take a little
time to bond with the child, butwomen, like from from pregnancy
they're already.
They have that attachment.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
so in a way that might make it I'm not gonna say
just as hard, but I think it'shard for men because they know
they'll never get that chance ata bond it's a, it's a different
, it's a different kind of cross.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I think it's like a different kind of it's almost
like a guilt that you didn't,that you didn't have that
attachment, but like for for meat least, I don't.
I don't want to say all dadsuniversally, but for me, uh, it
took a few months before my kidsbecause they were attached to
mommy the whole time and, likethey're like when they're
infants, I'm like, yeah,whatever you know, but once they
like recognize my voice, thenit's like all right, daddy's in
(03:23):
gear now I have no doubt theyrecognize my voice.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Then it's like all right, daddy's in gear now.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I have no doubt they recognize your voice immediately
.
I still do not have a boat foranybody asking.
They're asking how is the boat?
But I do have an interestingstory about my uncle's boat.
This weekend I've been takingmy uncle's boat.
Thank God he allows me to usehis boat because it salvaged my
summer.
My motor still has not beendelivered, so my uncle's boat's
(03:52):
probably like 400 grand.
It's like an insanely expensiveboat.
We had it out on Fire Islandover the weekend and when we
were leaving I had like over aquarter of a tank of fuel and
I'm like I have plenty.
To get to the gas station inLindenhurst.
It's like it's a 40 minute ride, but I had over a quarter of a
(04:12):
tank.
I'm like I'll be fine, I'll getthere.
So I'm driving and I'm aboutwhen.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I tell you, did you pull a?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
woman, a woman thing on the boat.
Listen, I was two footballfields away from the stupid gas
station.
Did you have to have someonetell you when?
Not told me, because I haveseto, which is?
Seto is uh, you, you pay like ayearly subscription and
anything that happens out there.
They'll give you a free tow inor they'll bring your gas,
whatever it is.
So the guy brings me out fivegallons of gas just to get me to
(04:43):
the gas station and while he'stied up to me, another boat
passes and this guy's boatsmashed my uncle's boat, my
uncle's $400,000 boat, and tooka chunk out of the boat.
And I'm just like you have tobe kidding me, like I have to
explain this to my uncle.
(05:04):
Oh, there goes ever gettingused.
The Pennsylvania house again.
You have to be kidding me, likeI have to explain this to my
uncle.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There goes ever getting used the Pennsylvania
house again.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We'll get into that.
So he takes a chunk out of theboat like cracks the gel coat
bed and I'm like I just calledCito livid.
I was like you know, I'm likethe guy's supposed to be a
professional, like he's supposedto know how to come up and tie
up to the boat and I'm like I'mputting the fuel in, paying
attention to putting the fuel in, and the guy doesn't have the
(05:33):
boat tied up right and the backof his boat clips into my
uncle's boat.
They felt so bad.
They're like, sir, we will fixit, don't worry about it.
So they're going to fix it.
But I still got to go back andtell my uncle that a chunk is
missing out of his boat.
I'm so nervous going back there.
I'm like I hope he's sleepingBecause he was just in Atlantic
City over the weekend.
(05:53):
I'm like maybe he's hungover andsleeping.
I'll just talk to him in themorning about it.
I didn't want to talk to himabout it up in his backyard and
of course he's bright andchipper and waiting for me and
I'm just like, like al, I like Itold him the whole story.
He's like what is wrong withyou?
He's like why there's only twogas stations on the on the water
(06:14):
where I'm leaving from that Iknow of.
I mean there's probably more,but I don't know where they are
and one is like right across.
I would have had to drive like30 minutes out of the way to go
to the one that was closer ormake it to the other one.
I made it to the place on lessthan a quarter of a tank.
I should be fine.
(06:36):
I'm like while the guy was tiedup to me took a chunk out of it
.
I don't care, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That makes me feel a lot less bad for breaking a
screen door.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, Like honestly he is so good about stuff like
that Like he really, if it'sjust like a monetary thing.
As long as nobody got hurt likehe really is, just like all
right, did anybody get hurt, amI getting sued?
That's what he was.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So I'm not getting sued and it's just like no, you
could probably sue them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
yeah, if it's just like a you know a couple hundred
bucks to fix or something likethat.
He doesn't bug out about stufflike that, he's kind of just
like cool about it, but um, uh,so all right, so we have a few
things we're gonna go overtonight.
Uh, if you guys are new here,please hit like and subscribe.
But we have um.
I don't think we covered themother too poorly in that in
(07:24):
that shooting case.
I think we did kind of granther um that she was a catholic
and we our angle was more wasshe being pressured by elements
of the church to go along withthis?
church or doctors, yeah, yeah,church doctors, things like that
.
But uh, what came out today wasreally just showing how this
(07:46):
woman really wasn't faithfulcatholic.
She was very pro-life, she wasvery against this, this
transition to the point whereshe just had to like upend her
life and leave minnesota becauseof the laws in minnesota,
because they're so twisted, androb could give us a little bit
of insight on that.
Then I figured I want to kindof do a little bit of a recap of
(08:07):
my conversation on Nova sort ofwatch.
It was really on Catholicfamily podcast with Kevin and
Mario.
I should have.
I should have told him hepronounced his name wrong, cause
he does say Mario, only youwould tell someone that I did it
, but I should have to.
So I'd like I want to discussthat a little bit.
I want to discuss, kind of theinternal trad war that's going
(08:30):
on right now with um guys likecatholic esquire and uh, chris
jackson from you know, he doesthe big modernism blog or sub
stack and what they're callingtrad inc.
Like I'd like to get into someof that stuff.
So, um, what do you want tostart?
You want, I mean, we shouldjust start with the title, right
?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
yeah um and before we even do that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We should talk about the shirts okay, I need an
update on the shirts so, um, theday that it happened, uh, kale
zeldin for anyone who knows kale, he's been on the show a few
times he tweeted out a pictureof um minnesota lieutenant
governor uh, what's her name?
Peggy flanagan, something likethat.
(09:13):
She's my own lieutenantgovernor.
I couldn't care less who she is, but she had this picture of,
uh, protect trans kids shirtthat she oh, there's kale right
there.
Yeah, kale's in the shirt.
Um, she wore a protect transkid shirt like the week that uh
the troon in in nashville shotup that christian academy.
So she's real classy.
(09:35):
But um, kale texted me thatsomeone should come out with a
protect catholic kid shirt.
And not 10 minutes later I sawthat uh, that keith nester had
already created a graphic, um,so I told keith I'm like, if you
don't put that on a shirt, I'mgonna put it on a shirt.
He's like.
I saw that Keith Nestor hadalready created a graphic, so I
told Keith I'm like, if youdon't put that on a shirt, I'm
going to put it on a shirt.
He's like, he just said hedoesn't feel comfortable selling
it, which I understand, so wedecided to put it on a shirt and
(09:56):
all proceeds from selling theshirt are going to go to the
annunciation.
I forget the name of it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, none of us wanted to make money off the
tragedy.
So, like like kale, um uh keith, everyone was like it's kind of
distasteful to make money offof it.
So obviously it costs money tomake the shirt.
So we're not, it's not likeevery.
You know, if you buy the shirtand it's 40 bucks or whatever
cost to make, the shirt is gonnabe, you know, covered and then
whatever profit is made by theshirt, we're going to donate to
(10:28):
the parish.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And there's, there's normal.
There's black, green, navynormal t-shirts, there's a gray
hoodie.
There's youth, a toddler, eveneven baby sizes here and like,
like at the shirt I think itsays it right when you click it,
but it's like the shirt.
(10:49):
It's 10 bucks more or less foreach of the shirts.
We'll go to the AnnunciationHope and Healing Fund.
The hoodie's a little bit about10 bucks too.
Some of the kids' stuff is likesix bucks of the sale will go
to them.
So so far it's selling well.
I think 53 were sold as of thismorning, so over 500 bucks
(11:11):
raised for the AnnunciationParish and the families involved
.
The link is in the descriptionand anyone in the live chat.
I also pinned it in the livechat.
So please head over, head overthere and purchase a couple
shirts.
Please head over, head overthere and purchase a couple of
shirts.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, it's an interesting thing because, um,
uh and that'll tie into myconversation with Mario and
Kevin Um, uh, I want to.
I want to kind of discuss acouple of a couple of things
about that conversation.
But one thing I took away is,um, like, when the persecution
of the church comes, I don'tthink people are going to
(11:47):
distinguish between Latin massCatholics and Novus Ordo.
Like there's just going to bethe persecution of Catholics.
Now I do think a very largeportion of those Catholics are
going to abandon ship when thatpersecution comes and maybe even
turn on faithful Catholics, butthere will be Catholics from
all groups that are persecutedbecause they don't turn from it.
(12:09):
You know, and a way to evennotice that right off the bat is
the shooter in Minnesota didn'tlook for a Latin mass parish.
I mean, he just went to aCatholic parish.
He didn't differ in To the onehis mom worked at.
But yeah, I see what you mean.
Yeah, he wasn't like, oh, Ihave to go find a set of a
contest chapel or an sspx, itwas.
He just went to a catholicchurch.
So I think that, uh, you knowthat that does warrant a
(12:33):
conversation, it's somethingthat that hit me kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Working on the shirt is like and and I did have this
like if that shooting hadhappened, say, at a set-A chapel
, this shirt applies just asmuch to kids there as at a Novus
Ordo parish.
Like, yeah, we havedisagreements.
I'm not a set of the contest.
I have strong disagreementswith their, you know, with
multiple positions they hold,but their kids are as Catholic
(13:01):
as mine, Right?
And I think I think many, manyset A's, especially those of of
good will will, would feel thesame about my kids as I would
feel about there.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So what was interesting about that
conversation was I guess wecould do it now.
I guess we'll just get into itnow.
What I, what I foundinteresting was I think Mario
and Kevin were in a difficultsituation and I was in a
difficult situation because yougo into a conversation like that
(13:32):
and your side is expecting youto represent your side Right,
and we went into thatconversation looking to just
have a charitable conversation.
So a lot of people in the inthe chat not even a lot like a
couple of people in the chatwere like this conversation is
not going anywhere.
You know why isn't thishappening?
Why is that?
But it was never set up to be adebate, it was set up to just
(13:53):
be a conversation.
I had a lot of questions aboutset of a contest because my
whole understanding of set of acontest has been in bits and
pieces of things I've learned onTwitter.
Essentially, I've neveractually learned anything about
it.
So I went on to ask them a lotof questions.
They were super nice andgrateful to me and the response
was good on all sides, like Ithink the set days that watched
(14:17):
it were appreciative that I wentinto it with an open mind,
looking to have a conversationand the trads said I wasn't, I
didn't like concede so much oranything.
It was just just like a coupleof guys having a conversation
discussing the crisis in thechurch.
Now I think the crisis in thechurch is a very real thing and
(14:37):
people do come to differentconclusions and I I think that
we all have to give a little bitof latitude to people that come
to a different conclusion thanwe do.
I feel like sometimes I'm theonly person that can overlook
things I disagree with in aperson and have a conversation.
I see people the slightestdisagreement and they want to
just never talk to a personagain.
I want to get away from that asmuch as possible.
(14:58):
Yeah, so you know, like hatsoff to Mario and Kevin for not
trying to like give me gotchaquestions.
Like they didn't do that to meand they could have and I might
not have had an answer to theirgotcha questions, but they did
not do that to me.
They like I had a question andthey would answer it.
We do.
(15:18):
We discuss a lot of things.
We agreed on and just kind ofpresented what both of our ideas
were and neither of us tried tomake the other look stupid or
not it was.
I thought it was a really goodconversation and I would like to
see more of those going forward, because I do think there are a
lot of people who don't knowwhat the answer is and they want
(15:40):
to hear charitableconversations between the two
sides without being called anidiot If you don't fall into
line with exactly the other oneholds.
Kale said shameless plug If youwant to read Dante, come take my
course.
Let's go to hell.
It's geared to adults who areout of practice.
I may join that class, kale.
I might do actually.
(16:01):
So yeah.
So then that kind of leads intoum guys like catholic esquire
and chris jackson.
Chris jackson's a phenomenalwriter.
I enjoy his sub stack a lot andI see a lot of those guys
coming at the um.
What they're?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
what they're calling trad ink and you you know that
term is going to get used toquite a bit more.
Oh very much very much soon.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, I'm going to be the Don of trading.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It is definitely going to be used.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I know it is, I'm not even care.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Let them use it, I don't care.
So, um, so I, I saw aninteraction um with uh, dr
Kwasniewski.
Um, so I, it all comes downfrom the um, pope leo with, uh,
james martin thing and like, yousee, you see the, like the, you
(17:05):
see the, the, what would youcall it?
The facade starting to crackwith the trads who were kind of
giving leeway to leo and they'restarting to be like, oh, we're
seeing the red flags, we'reseeing the red flags.
Now, for me, I'm like I don'treally care to do people
commentary anymore.
So that's kind of my positionon it.
Like I told rob, like I don't,I didn't want to do the leo
(17:26):
james martin thing as our titletonight.
Yeah, at all, I just I had nodesire to do that.
Um, I will discuss it a littlebit, but like, not from the same
angle.
I think everybody else is.
I, I kind of don't care,because I didn't expect any
different from right, likeexactly.
(17:47):
I don't know what people thinkthey're getting from the leo
papacy, but anybody that thinkshe's coming in to correct the
errors of francis, it's just notwhat he's, not just the leo
papacy, the papacy of almost anycardinal that could have been
elected.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, like, do you not know who our bishops and
cardinals were?
Like they're all spinelessfunctionaries.
Are you joking?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
me, and, and we're just in the post-concealer era,
you're not gonna get a pope.
That's not a vatican to god,like it's just where we are.
So I I've just decided I justdon't even care to talk about
this stuff anymore for the mostpart.
I mean, if something big comesup, we will yeah, exactly, burke
would have been the same.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, for sure.
You think burke would havelaicized martin.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Come on, you wouldn't know.
Um.
So I I don't know where thisconversation started, but sean
albert said uh, this is notsurprising in the least, not to
those of us who can see that.
It's business as usual.
Now is the time for Dr Kparticularly to decide which
side he is on.
If he does not call out Leoafter this, then he supports
Martin, period the same with therest of Trad Inc.
(19:01):
So Dr Kwasniewski said I'm noton the side of either Trad Inc
or Mad Inc, ink or sad ink,which is what this sub stack
represents.
It's not always everything isgrand and we're turning a new
corner, or everything ishorrible and the sky is falling.
I'm a realist and a pragmatist.
I take things as they come, thegood and the bad.
We have uh, we have not we, wehave not an unequivocally good
pope, for we have not had Ithink that's what you're going
to write we've not had anunequivocally good pope.
We have not had.
I think that's what you meant,right, we've not had an
(19:21):
unequivocally good pope for along time and I don't know how
long it will be until we get one.
But I'm not for or against Leo.
He is simply my pope and I prayfor him.
I will die for the truth hespeaks, but I will resist errors
he espouses.
Does it have to be morecomplicated than that or more
ideological?
Does it have to be morecomplicated than that or more
ideological?
So what I would like to see isa little less attacking of Trad
(19:55):
Inc for lack of a better termbecause the perception that
they're trying to portray isthat there's some coordinated
effort led by Cardinal Burkethat told the trads to lay off
and not criticize Leo, becausethen you'll get your Latinist.
And it's just not.
It's just not, it's just nottrue.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean, did you see that tweet from Stephen Cox
?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's just not true.
You know, and it's like,because I really do like Chris
Jackson, I really like CatholicEsquire.
I think what their like, theirtakes on things are very
important.
But I don't think the circularfiring at one another is helpful
and I don't even think thecircular firing from settees and
trads is helpful, and I don't,I like I.
(20:38):
I I think that we have to getto a point where we start to
build some kind of a coalitionthat is going to raise up a
generation that will be able toface what is coming and, when
the time is right, there will bea big enough group of faithful
Catholics to do what God needsthem to do in that time.
(20:59):
But I, I don't see how havinganother division in Tristan
helps, like it's not.
Like these guys are set A's andthey're doing what Nova Sorda
watch does.
They're it's like I think theykind of take a similar position
to to me in which they're like Idon't know about the Pope
question, I just know things aremessy since the council and
(21:21):
this is not fixing anything.
But I think all the trads thatare even the ones who were
giving Leo that extra latitude,I think those guys also kind of
know what this papacy is Like.
I don't know.
I have not been under anyillusions that this is going to
be some grand restoration of thepapacy.
I do think leo said some goodthings.
(21:42):
I think he said some.
I don't think he said anythingbad.
He's he's said some good thingsand he's done some questionable
things.
I think having james martincome there days after this
minneapolis shooting is horrificoptics, like just horrific
optics.
I mean these guys, all of them,including Leo, all thought, hey
(22:08):
, let's go after gun controlafter this and not looking at
the.
And it's not even just thetrans issue, it is the total
collapse of morality in aculture.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think something's up with YouTube.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Oh, no what.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The chat doesn't seem to be working.
I can't post in it.
The current viewers justbounced from 98 up to 331.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think people can see us but I don't know, yeah,
as long as you guys can see us,yeah, like St Augustine, st
Chatworks for me.
I don't know, youtube's beenkind of funny, like last episode
.
It went up to 10,000 concurrentviewers.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It might be this topic.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It might be posting this topic that messes with it
and sends bots in and stuff likethat.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I'm not, I'm not really sure, so yeah, I will
remove the wrench from you, sir.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
YouTube suspended Ryan.
I don't know what that's about,but so the I'm not sure Like
people should not have thesehigh expectations of the Leo
papacy.
It's just not.
It's not sure People should nothave these high expectations of
the Leo Papacy.
It's just not reality.
So I do think there issomething strategic in seeing
(23:28):
what he does with the Latin mass, because of what we talked
about with Tim Gordon and BrianHoldsworth and that if he does
loosen some of thoserestrictions I know those guys
are looking at it like, oh,you're going to take your crumbs
and praise him for it.
No, but I do think those arevaluable crumbs and we'll give
it.
Look, let's let's.
Rob discuss this the other nightwith Adrian on his Guns and
Rosaries show.
But if you guys had any ideathe obstacles Rob has had put in
(23:52):
front of him because ofTraditionis Custodis to simply
baptize his child a sacramentnecessary for salvation like it
is so preposterous and insane.
And if there is a lessening ofthat so that people like rob,
who lives in a in in a ruralarea that he has to travel two
to four hours to go to mass, ifthat restriction is lightened up
(24:14):
to where he can go to hisdiocesan lat Latin mass an hour
away, like that changes life forhim.
So, yeah, there is somethingstrategic in saying, hey, let's
not make this pope's life aliving hell before we know where
he's gonna go on certain things.
I don't think it's somecoordinated effort coming down
(24:36):
from Cardinal Burke or CardinalSeurat, I think it's just people
saying, look, and the otherthing is like I have such
Francis fatigue from from goingthrough that whole ordeal that
I'm just sick of talking aboutthe Pope in general, like I
really am.
I'm just sick of it.
I don't care to like followevery single thing that comes
out of the Vatican anymore.
(24:56):
It's just kind of run itscourse for me and I wanted to
kind of get into some differentthings.
I wanted to try some new thingson this show.
Obviously, if something bigcomes up, we'll discuss it, but
it's I don't know, it's tiresometo me.
I watch Catholic content allday when I'm at work, just like
breezing through to see whateverybody's talking about, and
literally every show.
Today was James Martin at theVatican.
(25:18):
It's like, okay, james Martin'sat the Vatican, did you guys
expect something different?
Seriously, like I'm not like inthe least bit surprised by this
.
I'm not disappointed in it.
It's actually par for thecourse and it's exactly what I
would expect.
I just wish the timing was notso horrific and it's not even so
(25:41):
much.
That James Martin visited withthe Pope is that James Martin
came out and said what he saidafterward and felt perfectly
comfortable saying that Leah wasgoing to continue on with what
Francis did.
So it's like, yeah, it's, it's,you know, it's, it's messy,
it's I don't know Like who, whatare you going to do?
I.
What you're going to do isyou're going to do the best you
can to live your Catholic faithout.
(26:02):
You're going to do the best youcan to raise your children
Catholic and you're going to tryto keep this stuff from your
wives and children, who mightget worried from it.
Right, if you're a man Like you, don't worry your wife and kids
with this stuff.
You bear the weight of thecraziness of the vatican.
Deal with that, however youmust, and then just raise your
children in the catholic faiththe best you can.
So that that's kind of myperspective on it.
(26:26):
So I mean, I I would love tohave uh chris jackson and uh
catholic esquire on.
So let's.
Because if I'm misrepresentinganything they're saying or
anything like that, I want tomake sure I'm not.
But I do think there is a placefor all of us to have these
conversations without it being,hey, this guy's not acting in
good faith, he's just doing itfor money and grifting and
things like that.
I don't think that's helpfuland I don't know.
(26:48):
I respect all these guys and Iwant to see great minds
accomplish some things togetherrather than internal bickering,
and if I have to play peermediator, I'm glad to do it, um
so all right.
So let's jump to um.
Let's, let's jump into the andy.
(27:10):
No tweet, rob and we'll.
We'll get into where we, wherethe mother was misrepresented
here let me pull that up herethat's a good, that's a good
tweet.
Uh, good comment, right, do youdo?
Trust in the providence of god,do what you can and don't worry
(27:31):
about what you can't.
Change, like I, I don't knowhow healthy it is spiritually to
be obsessing on every littlething, because I know it wasn't
healthy for me.
For a couple of you, I thoughtthat, look, there was something
exciting about it during theFrancis papacy of seeing
Catholics take their faith moreseriously and, you know, uh,
rally around bringing back someof these beautiful devotions
(27:51):
that we lost after the council.
I learned so much about myCatholic faith because of
Francis and in some ways, I'mgrateful for that period because
it, like I, learned a lot ofthings I hadn't, you know, been
aware of.
All right, let's, let's pop up,andy, no, okay, so this is Andy
(28:13):
knows article, which is let'ssee, let me bring it up on my
thing so I can see it a littlebetter and read it easier, okay
so, uh, secrets inside thewestman family.
Has mary westman been wrong?
Wrongly vilified?
Mary grace westman had beendemonized for her son's
transition and subsequentviolent extremism, but new
information reveals the publicmay have been wrong.
(28:33):
I spoke with someone who knowsthe family.
Um.
According to this source, itwas Jim Allen Westman, not Mary
Grace Westman, who was the mostaffirming of Robert's gender
dysphoria.
Jim is very liberal, as I sawon his social media before he
deleted it.
Before and after the divorce,the couple's five children
allegedly looked to him foraffirmation on choices their
(28:56):
mother wouldn't support.
Mary Grace was veryconservative and jim was not.
The source said she had beeninvolved in pro-life activism,
had been given birth, had givenbirth to many children.
Because of this dynamic, thekids always went behind mary
grace's back to jim for approvalof doing things she didn't
approve.
It just shows you how much afather like we we get on single
(29:17):
mothers all the time, but afather has such, oh man, a
father that does this in theaftermath of the uh well
shooting on wednesday.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
This is from the father's facebook.
This is what he tweeted on theday.
Uh, derek chauvin was foundguilty of the whole george floyd
thing, so definitely veryliberal, yeah uh.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
In the aftermath of the catholic shooting on
wednesday, ms westman uh hasbeen ruthlessly vilified by mobs
on social media because hersignature appeared on a court
paperwork that allowed robert tolegally transition as a minor
in min.
Both parents typically have toconsent to a child's identity
change, but the source believesMs Westman was under immense
(30:03):
pressure from professionals,doctors and family, all warning
her that unless she signed, herson would take his life.
This threat is a familiar linefor mainstream groups transition
or unaliving.
The online mob rage against MsWestman grew as Minneapolis
police said she wasn't returningcontact with them from her home
(30:23):
in Naples, florida.
She also retained a criminaldefense lawyer.
Now I'll say right off the batnever talk to the police without
a lawyer under anycircumstances.
Right, I mean, that's justcommon sense.
So yeah, I don't blame her forgetting a lawyer, but it's not
unusual for someone to not speakto law enforcement without a
counsel.
Her Florida home was visited bythe FBI after the shooting, but
no one appeared to be there.
According to the media, she wasreportedly on her way back to
(30:45):
Minnesota to be with herchildren.
Mr Westman lives in Minneapolisand is a geographic information
systems application developerfor a tech company.
The company is a world leaderin developing software for
digital maps.
According to the source, theWestman's divorce due to the
values misalignment regardingchild rearing.
So they got divorced becausethe mother was the Catholic and
(31:05):
she wanted to raise the childrenwith faith and the father was a
wacky liberal.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And it happened when Robert was 11.
So probably and I I this isjust conjecture, but it probably
happened at the time he startedto have the, that gender
dysphoria, I would imaginearound the age of 11, yeah it
just shows how, oh man, divorce,how much it wreaks havoc on
children.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Um, miss westman was very much a traditionalist.
She had six children in herlife, the first of whom, a baby
girl, was given up for adoptionwhen the mother was young, miss.
So she probably, like she,chose to keep the child first
young.
She chose to keep the childFirst off, right, she chose to
keep the child and give it upfor adoption.
Maybe that led to someconversion in her heart or
something.
The father worked in tech andwas not a religious conservative
(31:50):
.
After the divorce, the fatherkept the family home in Hastings
, minnesota.
He later took on a new partner.
Ms Westman relocated to a smalltown in minnesota where she can
see a small condo yeah, in egan,minnesota, where she continued
working in the administration ofthe annunciation catholic
church before moving to floridain 2022.
Um, okay, so the source I'mgoing to skip a little and go to
(32:14):
the source added.
Mary grace did not share withus that she signed the identity
change for the paper for bobby.
She probably would not havebeen able to face us, but we all
still would have loved andaccepted her decision, knowing
that her back was against thewall.
Um, now, rob, do you have thethe screenshot of the thing I
put in there just describing theminnesota laws that are on the
(32:36):
books?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
let me look real quick um.
You put it in the I put just ascreenshot that?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
oh yeah, I have it yeah, let's see if we could pop
that up, because, um, this justkind of goes into how insane the
laws are in minnesota.
Like minnesota is a sanctuarystate for transitioners, right?
So, because of Tim walls.
So, basically, if you are inanother state and you want to
(33:05):
transition your child and yourspouse doesn't want you to, and
you escape to Minnesota, you cando that without your spouse's
consent.
Essentially, right.
So let's be perfectly clear In2023, tim Walz signed a law
written by his close advisor andactivist, lee Fink, making
Minnesota a grand threat.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
His name is Christopher.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Okay, I don't.
Yeah, I have no idea.
Yeah, he's yeah.
In Minnesota, parents arestripped of their rights.
Courts assume custody If yourefuse to trans your child.
A parent can kidnap a child,move to Minnesota and transition
their child without completelyoverriding the objections of the
other parent.
Doctors can travel to Minnesotafrom other states and do these
(33:48):
things fully shielded by thislaw.
Today we are witnessing theresult of this policy.
This will continue to happen aslong as this law is on the
books.
Tim waltz has uh crimes toanswer for this.
It's just I think this, um man,I don't know like I still don't
think she should have signed it.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Don't get me wrong, but I understand, I'm gonna say
it it's easy to say inretrospect and and I you know, I
think you and I, for instance,we like someone it would have to
be done at gunpoint, right?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
yes, well, either on their end or my end, something's
happening at some point yeah,there's no scenario where where
I could ever, but I mean,there's no scenario.
But it's also man.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know, I I don't expect as much out of women as I
do of men yeah, there'ssomething to be said about that,
especially women of an oldergeneration, like we, you know,
we've seen, not that, not that Igrew up with kids that were
trans, because that that reallywas like the you know, the
(34:57):
zoomers after me, but like Ihave, you know, younger cousins
that that are, um, you know, soI've seen it somewhat growing up
, uh, but someone of the boomergeneration.
They didn't they, they didn'tlive with that, they didn't see
that.
They just know the people thatthey trust, you know doctors,
whereas, once again, ourgeneration and those younger do
(35:20):
not trust doctors the way theydo, right, um, so the, the
people in authority that theytrusted, tell them that they
need to do it and we can saythat they made a mistake and
they definitely did.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Don't get me wrong, but it's easy to it's easy to
recognize and say no it's sonuts because, um, I watched this
documentary, uh two nights agoon netflix and, man, look, if
you guys are gonna watch it, I'mabout to ruin it on netflix and
, man, look, if you guys aregonna watch it, I'm about to
ruin it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So if you guys want to watch, hold on, hold on I.
I have a banner for this.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Hold on, let me put it yeah, I'm about to ruin the
punchlines of the documentarywhat was the documentary called?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
uh, man, it's talking unknown number or something
right uh yeah, there's somethingabout unknown number.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Let me see, I have it in our um, in our group chat
with Jason and Mark.
Let me see, oh, it's calledUnknown Number, the High School
Catfish.
But what you see in thatdocumentary is what women can do
, right, you know what?
Maybe I'll show you howdiabolical without the
(36:27):
documentary, what are you?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
doing.
I'm gonna give you a spoileddocumentary.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I'm not gonna, I'm gonna do, uh, I'm gonna show you
spoiling a biography and theydie at the end I don't want to
ruin the punchline of who'sresponsible, but I kind of just
did already.
Uh, let me see, hang on likethis.
I want to ruin the punchline ofwho's responsible, but I kind
of just did already.
Let me see, hang on Like this.
I want to show this.
We have to, we have to go overthis.
(36:57):
Okay, I got it.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
Hang on.
Nope, that's not it.
Where are you?
Where are you, rob?
Oh, there you are.
Okay, I'm putting it in rightnow.
Let's play this clip.
Let's play this clip.
Show how evil this is.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Get in there I have it.
I'm just pulling it up.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay, so this is a minute long, but just look at
how diabolical this thing can bewhen you're talking about this
movement.
Yeah, so much of it is themother, it's everybody in this
had a decision.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You are in the perfect place to start on
blockers, and she promises tobegin giving her estrogen female
hormones in two years, around13.
That's what I think.
Yes, you're not going todevelop breast buds on the
blockers, but you're not goingto wait until 16 to start.
You know that.
Okay, josie received theblockers as an implant in her
(38:03):
arm.
It's okay, it's okay.
So, with all the bravery shecould muster, josie held on
tight as another chapter openedin this young girl's life.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Young boy's life.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
This young boy A lot of times.
It strikes me that had thishappened just 20 years ago, I
wouldn't have been able to giveher blockers and she would have
had to go through male pubertyyou stupid it's all done yeah,
like there's something so shewould have survived male puberty
Speaker 1 (38:37):
this is all right.
So, like the munchausen stuffin women, man, like the
munchausen stuff in women is onsuch another level of evil that
I don't even know how todescribe it.
It's like like that poor childcould have had a totally normal
(38:58):
life and just been a normalyoung boy, you know, and that
mother did that because of herown sickness, like that.
That's, it's just, I don't know.
And every one of those doctors,every, every adult in that
video should be shot.
The wrath, the wrath that theyare going to face on judgment
(39:22):
day, is just.
I just don't.
I mean, it's just.
I don't know how we have gottento this place in a culture
where that is allowed.
I don't, I don't get it likethis is you are talking about a
monster of a woman people askhow germany could as a whole
(39:43):
elect the person they did in1932.
And man, it gets easier tounderstand every day yeah, when,
when things are getting thisnuts and like what, like, what
do we do?
We just, we just accept thatthis is normal.
At this point, I, I just don't,I don't know man, I, I, I don't
(40:05):
know, like this wholeconversation so, like the, so to
bring it back to just the popeand stuff, it's like all the all
, the all, the bishops and thepope and everybody's talking
about gun control.
None of them are talking aboutthe reality of the moral decay
of our culture.
Right, even even the video theother day of the little Scottish
(40:27):
girl running around with theaxe and stuff, even the video
the other day of the littleScottish girl running around
with the axe and stuff, likethat girl is not a hero either,
like she's just a product ofthis moral decay in the culture.
Everywhere you look is justmoral decay, degeneracy.
The world is falling apart.
It really is Christ or chaos.
It's really is Christ or chaos.
(40:47):
And you're just seeing the evilof, of betraying our God
happening before, like it's justunfolding before our eyes every
day, more and more profoundly.
It's.
I don't know, I don't knowwhere this ends up, but I just I
it's.
This is why I'm saying it'simportant that we have these
Catholic communities so that wehave a place of refuge, of
(41:11):
community with one another,because it's going to get worse.
This is not going to get better.
You're going to see these kindsof incidents that happen in
Minneapolis repeat and they'regoing to be more frequent.
And they're not going todistinguish between who was the
Uber trad and who is.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Who is trad ink, who is this and who is that I mean,
if we're going to try to fightagainst this, people have to be
prepared for there to bebloodshed, because there's going
to be.
You know, like it's justbecause the enemy recognizes who
their enemy really is, yeah,and they've come for us and
they're going to come for usmore um, let's see what tyler
(41:51):
says here.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
So, um, I would not say she is a degenerate.
She's just doing what the menover there are afraid to the 14
year old girl oh no, she's notdegenerate but and saying what
happened is a product of a yes,and even in a rightly ordered
society that she her doing thatwould not have been necessary
yeah, it's just the wholeculture is just called, and it's
(42:12):
not just immigration and stuff,it's just the moral decay
happening around us and it's allso subtle and it's in all the
programming we watch the moraldecay is what allow it for that
sort of immigration as well.
Yeah, absolutely, and it'shappening everywhere.
(42:32):
It's.
I mean, dude, I workconstruction.
Do you know the conversations Ihear on the street with these
guys?
Like the things that they say,I'm just like man, you just,
when you work around people whotheir souls are dead, right,
because I mean there's like themajority of people I'm exposed
(42:53):
to are just people with deadsouls, right, it's just.
The reality is that they're allin like mired in mortal sin, so
desensitized to holiness andwhat's right and what's wrong,
that the things that will comeout of their mouths you're just
like man, and it's not even athing of judgment, it's like a
thing of sorrow, like I don'tknow, I don't know how to bring
(43:17):
light into, into their world,where they, where they even
could see the things thatthey're saying about women, the
things that they're saying abouttheir own wives, the thing that
they're, the things that theylook forward to and want to do.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Like I'm just at a loss for how to even have
conversations with so, so manypeople, I think in many ways
like the company to get to apoint where conversation can
even be had like you gotta, yougotta show them, just they gotta
see it.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You know, through your example yeah, and they may
not be able to see it, you know,through their, through their
sin, but uh well, what'sinteresting about that comment
even is a lot of the guys willguard what they say when I'm
around.
But then when, like, they havea little bit of a problem and
they're actually seekingsomething in god, they come to
(44:06):
me because they know I'm the guythey could go to you know.
So, like they'll guard their,have a little bit of a problem
and they're actually seekingsomething in God, they come to
me because they know I'm the guythey can go to you know.
So, like they'll guard theirconversations a little bit when
I'm around, cause, especially ifthey're talking about women and
they're a married guy, like Idon't let that stuff slide.
I like I call them degenerates.
I'm like, bro, you're married,like you're, you have want your
(44:31):
daughter's husband talking likethat, like that I'll do stuff
like that.
Um, so, but then when they havesomething happen in their lives
where they're actually seekinggod, I've had multiple guys that
were.
I got a phone call two days agofrom one of the guys I work with
asking me what was the question.
He asked me um, he's like, well, jesus was jewish.
Like why don't the jew?
Like?
He was like asking why don't'tthe Jews believe in Jesus?
(44:51):
And I had to like get into this.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, see, you should read this book by a man named E
Michael Jones the Jewishrevolutionary Dude I had.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I like I had like a 40 minute conversation with him
just based on that question andI got into like I won't even
talk about it on YouTube, but itjust it was very enlightening
to him, but it was just that heknew he could come to me with
that question.
All he's asked me a fewquestions in the past month or
two and they're all like prettydeep questions, like one of them
was um, if Jesus is God, why,why does he pray?
(45:23):
You know like like really deepquestions that I had to talk to
him about because he was aCatholic, he grew up Catholic
and he was never taught a singlething.
Yeah, so now he's coming acrosscontent and he's seeing
conversations and he's openinghis heart a little bit to asking
about Christianity.
He doesn't even know who theheck to ask.
So he's, he's coming to hisfriend at work, the only guy he
(45:44):
knows that goes to church.
Really interesting dynamicthat's happening.
Like while the culture isdegrading, there are these
little bits of light happeningall over the place.
I wanted to bring up this onecomment.
Okay, so every time I feelblackmailed at the state of the
church, I always remind myselfhow much worse, it is being
completely away from the faith.
(46:05):
This is this comment rings sotrue for me, because when I was
away from the sacraments, I wasone of those guys at work
talking like they talked,looking at the things they
looked at, and it was just wildhow quickly my mind spiraled
down into that, even after I hadknown Christ, because I was
(46:26):
away from the sacraments and I.
When you fall into mortal sin,it, it desensitizes your
conscience and it darkens yourintellect and the next thing you
know you're right back in thepit and seven demons return
where they where one was sweptclean, seven return and I was in
worse state than it was beforemy initial worst than an animal
at that point yeah.
Like legit Right, worse than ananimal at that point.
(46:47):
Yeah, like legit Right.
So never had I seen the realityof the sacraments more than
that period of when I returnedback to going to confession and
then going to mass.
It was like an overnight changeof just having the light of
Christ brought back into my life, going from that back into the
light of Christ, and then justthe whole, my whole entire
(47:13):
family life, changed everything.
So the reality of thesacraments was never more real
to me than that time.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
You, just, you just.
The thing is, guys, thatespecially with sexual sin, guy
has such a deep shame when he'sin that that he won't even allow
himself to hear the name Christ.
Like you, if you even bringJesus up, it hurts them and
(47:37):
they'll just walk away from theconversation.
They'll do anything they can toget out of it.
They want nothing to do withthat conversation because they
know it's even hearing the nameof Jesus will bring shame to
someone.
It's a, it's a, it's a verydeep thing.
That happens because evenpeople that never were taught
the faith, something about hisname just is hard to hear when
(47:59):
you're living in mortal sin.
Um then, uh, let me see, now wedo have.
Um, I mean, is there any otherother final things you want to
just touch on with that woman,because I think a lot of people
did kind of just jump down andblast her.
I think we were more concernedwith did she get influenced by
(48:22):
church figures?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, I mean most of so, like when she, when it came
out that she had quickly flownback to Florida and got a lawyer
, like that was over the weekendand we weren't doing shows, and
I think that's good, because Ithink it saved us from maybe
doing a show where we put unfairblame on her.
Now, looking at the situationand her actions, I think what
(48:51):
she did is really smart, becauseI think she realizes that the
liberals, especially here inMinnesota, are going to use her
and her actions prior to signingthat um, as a scapegoat cause
(49:11):
like they're gonna say they'regonna say it was you know
anti-trans, anti-lgbt bigotrythat caused the shooting
meanwhile the kid in hismanifesto, whatever it was said,
uh, you know he was angry athis mom for resisting it.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
and then in the next sentence he was angry at his mom
for resisting it.
And then in the next sentencehe was like don't ever let your
kids do this.
And the kid was like it was theLGBT propaganda and getting
into marijuana that reallymessed his brain up and kind of
did this too, like he admits itin his notepad and whatever he's
got.
It was.
(49:46):
It was the combination of thepropaganda and him just getting
into weed you know and that andthat kind of sent them on this
downward spiral and I think hehad so much regret from his
decision to go down that roadthat he was like I'd rather go
out in a blaze like this thandetransition.
(50:06):
I think that's where, where hewas at, rather than admit it was
a mistake to do this.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Well, for those of you who aren't terminally online
, you probably hold on.
I think I bookmarked some ofthis stuff, but you might not
realize how violent some of thisstuff is.
Gosh, where was it?
(50:33):
I don't know if I bookmarked it, but like they're they often
have.
I mean, they make flags andbanners that say death before
detransition.
Yeah, and they they mean eitherby suicide or or by acts like
this.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
So yeah, yeah, Somebody asked a really good
question to us.
They said I'd like to humblysubmit a question for you guys
to consider engaging with on oneof your shows.
I'm curious how other Catholicmen deal with mounting feelings
of what can only be described ashatred.
I've often felt this swellingup in me with regard to the
rainbow crowd, because Iperceive them as this great
(51:07):
threat to my future children andmy practice of my faith.
I know that hatred is notChristian, but it burns in me
and I don't know how.
I don't know what to do with it.
I do strongly believe thatthose people are still made in
the image of God and deservedignity and goodwill, but I
often find myself just feelingrage towards them.
Yeah, that was on Twitter.
He's admitted that to both of ushe actually submitted to you
(51:28):
and I just caught it um, whatdid I say to that?
because I forgot you said uh,keep in mind, rage, anger is not
necessarily hate.
You should have righteous angerand rage.
In regard to this, the key isnot letting that righteous anger
burn so much that it stealsyour peace and becomes hate.
You have to turn that anger toa productive goal.
If you carry a, let it be themotivation for you to get your
(51:50):
ass to the range this week inthe train.
For me, I already shoot a lot,so I'm going to use that anger
to motivate me to get more fitso that I can better protect my
family.
I think also any kind of hatred.
Like Rob said, there is a placefor righteous anger.
You should be appalled by thethings that that is being pushed
(52:11):
on our children.
There is an aspect of whereit's totally normal and good to
be angry at this stuff.
It's when you allow it todisturb your spiritual life and
you and you dwell on thosethings, which is part of the
reason why I I kind of have ledour programming away from the
Vatican stuff, because I felt itwas spiritually harmful to me
(52:33):
to a degree to just constantlybe talking about the muck and
the and the garbage happening,and it's like I'd rather talk
about cultural issues and thingslike that, because it is
depressing to see how the churchis handling this, because the
church is supposed to be thelight of Christ right, it's
supposed to be the light to theworld.
So there's a degree in which youcould say maybe the Pope knows
(52:59):
some things that we don't knowand he's doing this out of
prudence and not addressing thisissue too rashly because he's
afraid that it will lead to moreincidents like this if he comes
out and speaks strongly againstthis right.
But the reality is too rashlybecause he's afraid that it will
lead to more incidents likethis If he comes out and speak
strongly against this right.
But the reality is is, at acertain point, not saying the
truth or or lightening the truth, or weakening the truth, it
(53:21):
becomes a lie at a certain point, and it becomes it.
It it's like what?
What is the purpose of thechurch at that point if they're
not going to speak clearly onthis stuff?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
so yeah, I, I think also like he, he's largely live
in, has lived insulated from thecraziness of it down in peru,
um, because he was down therefor a long time.
You know, it's not like when wesay he's from Chicago, it's not
(53:56):
like he's been, you know,archbishop of Chicago like
Cupich.
But yeah, I mean what you'resaying is there's a lot in the
world to be angry at, a lot ofstuff in the world to be rightly
and justly angry at, and we canuse that anger to motivate
ourselves to do good.
(54:18):
I mean you should use thatanger to motivate you to pray
for these people.
It's not easy, I mean.
So the day it happened, likeafter we did our show that night
, um, so my so maddie had goneover to my mom's earlier in the
day.
She had to watch him while hopewent to the doctor or something
(54:39):
like that.
So my mom was watching the news, because she's a boomer and
always has the news on tv justall the time.
I don't get it.
But so she was watching thenews and maddie was over there
and he saw it and heard about itand he got just very confused
and angry that someone would dothat to kids, right, I mean kids
his age and a little bit older.
So I mean talking with him andiggy after the show that night
(55:01):
about it like it's hard toexplain to to anyone, let alone
a kid, like how how someone cando such evil and how we are
called to still pray for them.
You know, like how do you dothat?
Speaker 1 (55:14):
and there's something interesting.
There's something interestingin um, when you man, I work
around some some grossness,right right Like I work in I
work in the South Bronx at timesI mean I work around filth like
the people that I'm around aregross and drug addicts and it
(55:38):
gets pretty bad.
But I found, like the, thecouple of times where somebody
has asked me for money and I'mlike, nah, I'm not going to give
you money but I'll buy youlunch and I'll go in and I'll
buy them lunch and I sit andtalk with them for a couple of
minutes, something oddly likewhen you actually see Christ in
the worst.
There's something I don't know.
(56:02):
It's like.
It's like when you, when yousee me in the least of my
brethren, like you know, likethere's something beautiful
about St Francis going andvisiting the lepers and and
embracing the lepers, and it's avery difficult thing to do
because you're grossed out bythese people, you know, and you,
you look down upon themsubconsciously.
You almost can't help it whatare you laughing at?
(56:26):
people.
It's sick.
Um, there is still something.
No, it's, they're not alwaysthey're, they're of all.
I mean alcoholics and drugaddicts are all races.
I don't care what you say, yougo.
But when you're working aroundthis kind of stuff and you
actually sit and you I mean,look it's, it's.
It's strange because you Inever want to give money to feed
(56:49):
somebody's habit, but I don'tmind feeding the poor.
There's something Christcommands us to do, and charity
covers a multitude of sins.
So you should look foropportunities to do stuff like
that and love the most wretched,and it'll actually change your
heart a little bit when you doit.
I found the times where I havedone that.
(57:10):
It softens me to my anger andyou see them as more human and
not just this leech upon society.
Or you know, like if you walkpast a homeless person and you
feel disgust, maybe that's thetime to turn around and actually
do something for them.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
It might change your heart a little bit for them
might change your heart a littlebit.
How and I don't expect you tohave an answer, anyone have an
answer but like, how do we dothat or things of that nature
with with, with this group, withthis community, right, right,
like, because I that is a goodquestion, it's probably one I
(57:49):
should probably ask NancyCharles.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
We were at Fire Island this weekend.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Because I don't have a Fire Island to go to and buy
around for everyone.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Oh my, goodness that one.
I saw that tweet.
You put a couple of drinks inme and I'm like oh buy around
for everyone.
Oh, my goodness.
Pro tip for anyone if you'redrinking anthony just I can't
help myself, like I just want tobe generous and but whatever,
it cost me 200 bucks for aroundthe drive anyway.
But we were there.
It was me and nicole and the,the kid behind the bar.
(58:20):
Uh was clearly gay, you know,and um, I was talking with him
and he was just telling me aboutuh, I don't know how it came up
, but it came up that his momhad she's one of nine kids and
I'm like, oh, is she a big irish?
Speaker 2 (58:39):
came up, you were talking about your huge family.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
No, no, no after he told me that I mentioned it was
mine.
He was because he was telling mehow he ended up, like he runs
the, the restaurant on thisplace that we go, yeah, and he,
he was like I was just beingnice to him and then he, he was
telling me about how his mom wasone of nine kids and I started
talking about catholicism and hewas like he's a little taken
back by it.
But I don't know, I mean, whatelse can you do besides just
(59:03):
talk to people and, you know,share little things of your own
experience and like like, uh, Idon't, I don't know, I don't
know how you know, becausethey're not like the lepers of
society, they're like theglorified in our culture.
So I don't know, I don't knowwhat like the proper approach is
.
Yeah, it is tricky, you knowit's um I I know.
(59:24):
Like being vitriolic towardsthem is not the answer, though.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
No, but at the same time I want a certain subset of
them to understand that if theytry anything, they're getting
shot.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, no, I know how do you communicate both.
There's also different degreesof it, right?
No, there is for sure.
There's different degrees of it, right?
No, there is for sure.
There's different degrees of it.
And, like you, always have toleave room for the people who
might have the attraction butare open to god and willing to
live a chase life yeah likethere are lots of people out
(01:00:02):
there looking for god and justbecause they have that
attraction because of somethingthat happened to them in their
childhood or something like it,doesn't mean like they're,
they're all people who need thegospel.
So, I don't know, I don't know,you know, that's why, like this
weekend when I, when hementioned his mom, was one of
nine kids, I try to always flipcatholicism and wherever I can
(01:00:22):
and I try to, you know, droplittle seeds of something and
I'll always mention that me andNicole go to mass every Sunday
and things like that.
So it's, it's a tricky one, youknow, um, straight down, a
little far out, and there'sdifferent.
There's a gay section of fireIsland, that's, uh, terry Grove.
That's not where I was.
(01:00:42):
Um, who are the lepers of today?
Uh, wait, but lepers of today,uh wait, did I lose that
question?
Uh, who are the lepers of today?
Honest question.
Oh, it depends what, uh, whatyou mean by that?
Well, well, they are treated asoutcasts.
Right, like we are treated asoutcasts, but you'll still see a
universal revulsion of when yousee homeless people just around
(01:01:07):
, you know, and if you don'thave exposure to that, you don't
really understand that, likethey are the gross outcasts of
society that nobody wants tomeet.
You know, they're waiting atevery traffic light that I come
to with the cup in their handand you're like I'm not putting
money in this cup because I knowthis guy's just going to go put
it up his arm.
So you know, I would thinkthey're probably lepers.
All right, we're in an hour.
(01:01:30):
I want to go over to Locals, Iwant to cover the James Lindsay
story and then I want to JamesLindsay and I want to talk to
you about how the gun show isgoing with Adrian.
We'll see what you guys aredoing over there.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Before we go to locals, though, we should tell
everyone that, if you want areally good deal that we can't
actually talk about yet, youwant to join locals and not just
join locals.
Join for a year, which I did.
Is it set at 50 bucks?
Is that what I said it to?
I?
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
think so, but it will work out for you in the long
run, yeah, so it's 50 bucks fora year.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Now, locals will only be around for six to eight more
weeks, but in that transitionyou will get that remainder of
the year as a subscription toway more than just me and
Anthony whoever, whoever has alocal subscription, your
subscription will be fulfilledwherever we end up, but we may
not be on locals soon.
(01:02:32):
That's all we can say.
If you are a monthly locals,you will get the remainder of
that month, but then after thatit will be a different
subscription cost, and it willprobably be a slight increase.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Not much, but a slight increase.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It will still be a good deal, but if you really
want a good deal, you're gonnaget you're gonna get a lot for
your, for your money.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Let's just say that there's some fun things that
we're gonna be able to announce,uh, so all right, so we're
gonna go over to locals, we'lltalk over there, maybe we'll
maybe we'll spill the beans alittle more over there.
We can't do it over here,though, you guys.
You guys on youtube.
We're not allowed to tell you,so we spill the beans a little
more over there.
We can't do it over here,though you guys on YouTube,
we're not allowed to tell you,so we spill the beans a little
more over there.
I might have some personalstories to share over there, too
, if we don't have enoughcontent to fill the time.
(01:03:16):
So, all right, we're headingover.
Take us out, rob.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Okay, I'm just going to start cutting things.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Because I didn't get the taffy videos.
This is cool because, uh, uh,fed calderon is a is protestant,
he watches our show and he's uh, yeah, he, he just enjoys our
show.
You know, and I think that Ithink that, like protestants do
generally agree with our moraltakes on cultural issues, things
like that.
You know, even, even even if wedo go down like a specifically
Catholic road, I do think thatthere's agreement in places like
(01:03:53):
that, and I think Fed went tohis first mass recently, so he's
definitely like looking intothings.
So just keep fedding yourprayers, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Okay, we're ready to actually go to locals now,
mm-hmm.
SANGRE, sangre, amare MORTI NECLARAS NOS IN TEI SPERA
(00:44):
VERUM.
We can't let them drive, guys.
This is just.
We just can't let them.
We went old school tonightbecause Taffy's video he's
trying to get us into a fight.
Yeah, you know what, I shouldhave said something to him,
because he sent it to meyesterday.
You know what?
We can play it Really, whichone you know?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
what we can play it really which one, the first one
or the second one?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
well, it's like picking a fight with Lofton for
no reason.
The guy hasn't said anything ordone anything.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's just like if we preface it by saying Michael,
like it's funny, we're not, Idon't know I don't kind of he
doesn't have a sense of humorabout him.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You can't that's why I think we should play the
second one well, the problemwith the second one is like not
enough people know who jason is,you know?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I know, but I'm just an inside.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, it's funny.
All right, maybe we'll do thatlater.
We'll play that for you guyslater on the show.
Locals, that'll be.
Yeah, it's just, uh, we'll do.
We'll do that one a littlelater in the show.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Um man, my wife is an incredible female driver and
literally every single man Iknow is still better that's true
.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm on the phone with my wife the other day and she's
, and all of a sudden, oh, I'mlike what.
I don't know.
I just ran something over and Ihit the curb.
I think I'm like you gotta bekidding me.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Um swear after you hit it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Cause if so yeah, she , uh, she's my wife.
She's not the best driver, um,so yeah, I had, uh, please pray
for Kennedy Hall's preborn son,who has a genetic condition
incompatible with life and isnot expected to live long after.
I've had a couple ofconversations with Kennedy.
They are his wife is devastated.
(02:30):
As you guys can imagine, thingslike that are a lot, lot more
tricky for the woman than theyare for the men, especially when
you're talking about a prebornbaby, because men take a little
time to bond with the child, butwomen, like from from pregnancy
they're already.
They have that attachment.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
so in a way that might make it I'm not gonna say
just as hard, but I think it'shard for men because they know
they'll never get that chance ata bond it's a, it's a different
, it's a different kind of cross.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I think it's like a different kind of it's almost
like a guilt that you didn't,that you didn't have that
attachment, but like for for meat least, I don't.
I don't want to say all dadsuniversally, but for me, uh, it
took a few months before my kidsbecause they were attached to
mommy the whole time and, likethey're like when they're
infants, I'm like, yeah,whatever you know, but once they
like recognize my voice, thenit's like all right, daddy's in
(03:23):
gear now I have no doubt theyrecognize my voice.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Then it's like all right, daddy's in gear now.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I have no doubt they recognize your voice immediately
.
I still do not have a boat foranybody asking.
They're asking how is the boat?
But I do have an interestingstory about my uncle's boat.
This weekend I've been takingmy uncle's boat.
Thank God he allows me to usehis boat because it salvaged my
summer.
My motor still has not beendelivered, so my uncle's boat's
(03:52):
probably like 400 grand.
It's like an insanely expensiveboat.
We had it out on Fire Islandover the weekend and when we
were leaving I had like over aquarter of a tank of fuel and
I'm like I have plenty.
To get to the gas station inLindenhurst.
It's like it's a 40 minute ride, but I had over a quarter of a
(04:12):
tank.
I'm like I'll be fine, I'll getthere.
So I'm driving and I'm aboutwhen.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I tell you, did you pull a?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
woman, a woman thing on the boat.
Listen, I was two footballfields away from the stupid gas
station.
Did you have to have someonetell you when?
Not told me, because I haveseto, which is?
Seto is uh, you, you pay like ayearly subscription and
anything that happens out there.
They'll give you a free tow inor they'll bring your gas,
whatever it is.
So the guy brings me out fivegallons of gas just to get me to
(04:43):
the gas station and while he'stied up to me, another boat
passes and this guy's boatsmashed my uncle's boat, my
uncle's $400,000 boat, and tooka chunk out of the boat.
And I'm just like you have tobe kidding me, like I have to
explain this to my uncle.
(05:04):
Oh, there goes ever gettingused.
The Pennsylvania house again.
You have to be kidding me, likeI have to explain this to my
uncle.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There goes ever getting used the Pennsylvania
house again.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We'll get into that.
So he takes a chunk out of theboat like cracks the gel coat
bed and I'm like I just calledCito livid.
I was like you know, I'm likethe guy's supposed to be a
professional, like he's supposedto know how to come up and tie
up to the boat and I'm like I'mputting the fuel in, paying
attention to putting the fuel in, and the guy doesn't have the
(05:33):
boat tied up right and the backof his boat clips into my
uncle's boat.
They felt so bad.
They're like, sir, we will fixit, don't worry about it.
So they're going to fix it.
But I still got to go back andtell my uncle that a chunk is
missing out of his boat.
I'm so nervous going back there.
I'm like I hope he's sleepingBecause he was just in Atlantic
City over the weekend.
(05:53):
I'm like maybe he's hungover andsleeping.
I'll just talk to him in themorning about it.
I didn't want to talk to himabout it up in his backyard and
of course he's bright andchipper and waiting for me and
I'm just like, like al, I like Itold him the whole story.
He's like what is wrong withyou?
He's like why there's only twogas stations on the on the water
(06:14):
where I'm leaving from that Iknow of.
I mean there's probably more,but I don't know where they are
and one is like right across.
I would have had to drive like30 minutes out of the way to go
to the one that was closer ormake it to the other one.
I made it to the place on lessthan a quarter of a tank.
I should be fine.
(06:36):
I'm like while the guy was tiedup to me took a chunk out of it
.
I don't care, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That makes me feel a lot less bad for breaking a
screen door.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, Like honestly he is so good about stuff like
that Like he really, if it'sjust like a monetary thing.
As long as nobody got hurt likehe really is, just like all
right, did anybody get hurt, amI getting sued?
That's what he was.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So I'm not getting sued and it's just like no, you
could probably sue them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
yeah, if it's just like a you know a couple hundred
bucks to fix or something likethat.
He doesn't bug out about stufflike that, he's kind of just
like cool about it, but um, uh,so all right, so we have a few
things we're gonna go overtonight.
Uh, if you guys are new here,please hit like and subscribe.
But we have um.
I don't think we covered themother too poorly in that in
(07:24):
that shooting case.
I think we did kind of granther um that she was a catholic
and we our angle was more wasshe being pressured by elements
of the church to go along withthis?
church or doctors, yeah, yeah,church doctors, things like that
.
But uh, what came out today wasreally just showing how this
(07:46):
woman really wasn't faithfulcatholic.
She was very pro-life, she wasvery against this, this
transition to the point whereshe just had to like upend her
life and leave minnesota becauseof the laws in minnesota,
because they're so twisted, androb could give us a little bit
of insight on that.
Then I figured I want to kindof do a little bit of a recap of
(08:07):
my conversation on Nova sort ofwatch.
It was really on Catholicfamily podcast with Kevin and
Mario.
I should have.
I should have told him hepronounced his name wrong, cause
he does say Mario, only youwould tell someone that I did it
, but I should have to.
So I'd like I want to discussthat a little bit.
I want to discuss, kind of theinternal trad war that's going
(08:30):
on right now with um guys likecatholic esquire and uh, chris
jackson from you know, he doesthe big modernism blog or sub
stack and what they're callingtrad inc.
Like I'd like to get into someof that stuff.
So, um, what do you want tostart?
You want, I mean, we shouldjust start with the title, right
?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
yeah um and before we even do that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We should talk about the shirts okay, I need an
update on the shirts so, um, theday that it happened, uh, kale
zeldin for anyone who knows kale, he's been on the show a few
times he tweeted out a pictureof um minnesota lieutenant
governor uh, what's her name?
Peggy flanagan, something likethat.
(09:13):
She's my own lieutenantgovernor.
I couldn't care less who she is, but she had this picture of,
uh, protect trans kids shirtthat she oh, there's kale right
there.
Yeah, kale's in the shirt.
Um, she wore a protect transkid shirt like the week that uh
the troon in in nashville shotup that christian academy.
So she's real classy.
(09:35):
But um, kale texted me thatsomeone should come out with a
protect catholic kid shirt.
And not 10 minutes later I sawthat uh, that keith nester had
already created a graphic, um,so I told keith I'm like, if you
don't put that on a shirt, I'mgonna put it on a shirt.
He's like.
I saw that Keith Nestor hadalready created a graphic, so I
told Keith I'm like, if youdon't put that on a shirt, I'm
going to put it on a shirt.
He's like, he just said hedoesn't feel comfortable selling
it, which I understand, so wedecided to put it on a shirt and
(09:56):
all proceeds from selling theshirt are going to go to the
annunciation.
I forget the name of it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, none of us wanted to make money off the
tragedy.
So, like like kale, um uh keith, everyone was like it's kind of
distasteful to make money offof it.
So obviously it costs money tomake the shirt.
So we're not, it's not likeevery.
You know, if you buy the shirtand it's 40 bucks or whatever
cost to make, the shirt is gonnabe, you know, covered and then
whatever profit is made by theshirt, we're going to donate to
(10:28):
the parish.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And there's, there's normal.
There's black, green, navynormal t-shirts, there's a gray
hoodie.
There's youth, a toddler, eveneven baby sizes here and like,
like at the shirt I think itsays it right when you click it,
but it's like the shirt.
(10:49):
It's 10 bucks more or less foreach of the shirts.
We'll go to the AnnunciationHope and Healing Fund.
The hoodie's a little bit about10 bucks too.
Some of the kids' stuff is likesix bucks of the sale will go
to them.
So so far it's selling well.
I think 53 were sold as of thismorning, so over 500 bucks
(11:11):
raised for the AnnunciationParish and the families involved
.
The link is in the descriptionand anyone in the live chat.
I also pinned it in the livechat.
So please head over, head overthere and purchase a couple
shirts.
Please head over, head overthere and purchase a couple of
shirts.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, it's an interesting thing because, um,
uh and that'll tie into myconversation with Mario and
Kevin Um, uh, I want to.
I want to kind of discuss acouple of a couple of things
about that conversation.
But one thing I took away is,um, like, when the persecution
of the church comes, I don'tthink people are going to
(11:47):
distinguish between Latin massCatholics and Novus Ordo.
Like there's just going to bethe persecution of Catholics.
Now I do think a very largeportion of those Catholics are
going to abandon ship when thatpersecution comes and maybe even
turn on faithful Catholics, butthere will be Catholics from
all groups that are persecutedbecause they don't turn from it.
(12:09):
You know, and a way to evennotice that right off the bat is
the shooter in Minnesota didn'tlook for a Latin mass parish.
I mean, he just went to aCatholic parish.
He didn't differ in To the onehis mom worked at.
But yeah, I see what you mean.
Yeah, he wasn't like, oh, Ihave to go find a set of a
contest chapel or an sspx, itwas.
He just went to a catholicchurch.
So I think that, uh, you knowthat that does warrant a
(12:33):
conversation, it's somethingthat that hit me kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Working on the shirt is like and and I did have this
like if that shooting hadhappened, say, at a set-A chapel
, this shirt applies just asmuch to kids there as at a Novus
Ordo parish.
Like, yeah, we havedisagreements.
I'm not a set of the contest.
I have strong disagreementswith their, you know, with
multiple positions they hold,but their kids are as Catholic
(13:01):
as mine, Right?
And I think I think many, manyset A's, especially those of of
good will will, would feel thesame about my kids as I would
feel about there.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So what was interesting about that
conversation was I guess wecould do it now.
I guess we'll just get into itnow.
What I, what I foundinteresting was I think Mario
and Kevin were in a difficultsituation and I was in a
difficult situation because yougo into a conversation like that
(13:32):
and your side is expecting youto represent your side Right,
and we went into thatconversation looking to just
have a charitable conversation.
So a lot of people in the inthe chat not even a lot like a
couple of people in the chatwere like this conversation is
not going anywhere.
You know why isn't thishappening?
Why is that?
But it was never set up to be adebate, it was set up to just
(13:53):
be a conversation.
I had a lot of questions aboutset of a contest because my
whole understanding of set of acontest has been in bits and
pieces of things I've learned onTwitter.
Essentially, I've neveractually learned anything about
it.
So I went on to ask them a lotof questions.
They were super nice andgrateful to me and the response
was good on all sides, like Ithink the set days that watched
(14:17):
it were appreciative that I wentinto it with an open mind,
looking to have a conversationand the trads said I wasn't, I
didn't like concede so much oranything.
It was just just like a coupleof guys having a conversation
discussing the crisis in thechurch.
Now I think the crisis in thechurch is a very real thing and
(14:37):
people do come to differentconclusions and I I think that
we all have to give a little bitof latitude to people that come
to a different conclusion thanwe do.
I feel like sometimes I'm theonly person that can overlook
things I disagree with in aperson and have a conversation.
I see people the slightestdisagreement and they want to
just never talk to a personagain.
I want to get away from that asmuch as possible.
(14:58):
Yeah, so you know, like hatsoff to Mario and Kevin for not
trying to like give me gotchaquestions.
Like they didn't do that to meand they could have and I might
not have had an answer to theirgotcha questions, but they did
not do that to me.
They like I had a question andthey would answer it.
We do.
(15:18):
We discuss a lot of things.
We agreed on and just kind ofpresented what both of our ideas
were and neither of us tried tomake the other look stupid or
not it was.
I thought it was a really goodconversation and I would like to
see more of those going forward, because I do think there are a
lot of people who don't knowwhat the answer is and they want
(15:40):
to hear charitableconversations between the two
sides without being called anidiot If you don't fall into
line with exactly the other oneholds.
Kale said shameless plug If youwant to read Dante, come take my
course.
Let's go to hell.
It's geared to adults who areout of practice.
I may join that class, kale.
I might do actually.
(16:01):
So yeah.
So then that kind of leads intoum guys like catholic esquire
and chris jackson.
Chris jackson's a phenomenalwriter.
I enjoy his sub stack a lot andI see a lot of those guys
coming at the um.
What they're?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
what they're calling trad ink and you you know that
term is going to get used toquite a bit more.
Oh very much very much soon.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, I'm going to be the Don of trading.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It is definitely going to be used.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I know it is, I'm not even care.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Let them use it, I don't care.
So, um, so I, I saw aninteraction um with uh, dr
Kwasniewski.
Um, so I, it all comes downfrom the um, pope leo with, uh,
james martin thing and like, yousee, you see the, like the, you
(17:05):
see the, the, what would youcall it?
The facade starting to crackwith the trads who were kind of
giving leeway to leo and they'restarting to be like, oh, we're
seeing the red flags, we'reseeing the red flags.
Now, for me, I'm like I don'treally care to do people
commentary anymore.
So that's kind of my positionon it.
Like I told rob, like I don't,I didn't want to do the leo
(17:26):
james martin thing as our titletonight.
Yeah, at all, I just I had nodesire to do that.
Um, I will discuss it a littlebit, but like, not from the same
angle.
I think everybody else is.
I, I kind of don't care,because I didn't expect any
different from right, likeexactly.
(17:47):
I don't know what people thinkthey're getting from the leo
papacy, but anybody that thinkshe's coming in to correct the
errors of francis, it's just notwhat he's, not just the leo
papacy, the papacy of almost anycardinal that could have been
elected.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, like, do you not know who our bishops and
cardinals were?
Like they're all spinelessfunctionaries.
Are you joking?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
me, and, and we're just in the post-concealer era,
you're not gonna get a pope.
That's not a vatican to god,like it's just where we are.
So I I've just decided I justdon't even care to talk about
this stuff anymore for the mostpart.
I mean, if something big comesup, we will yeah, exactly, burke
would have been the same.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, for sure.
You think burke would havelaicized martin.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Come on, you wouldn't know.
Um.
So I I don't know where thisconversation started, but sean
albert said uh, this is notsurprising in the least, not to
those of us who can see that.
It's business as usual.
Now is the time for Dr Kparticularly to decide which
side he is on.
If he does not call out Leoafter this, then he supports
Martin, period the same with therest of Trad Inc.
(19:01):
So Dr Kwasniewski said I'm noton the side of either Trad Inc
or Mad Inc, ink or sad ink,which is what this sub stack
represents.
It's not always everything isgrand and we're turning a new
corner, or everything ishorrible and the sky is falling.
I'm a realist and a pragmatist.
I take things as they come, thegood and the bad.
We have uh, we have not we, wehave not an unequivocally good
pope, for we have not had Ithink that's what you're going
to write we've not had anunequivocally good pope.
We have not had.
I think that's what you meant,right, we've not had an
(19:21):
unequivocally good pope for along time and I don't know how
long it will be until we get one.
But I'm not for or against Leo.
He is simply my pope and I prayfor him.
I will die for the truth hespeaks, but I will resist errors
he espouses.
Does it have to be morecomplicated than that or more
ideological?
Does it have to be morecomplicated than that or more
ideological?
So what I would like to see isa little less attacking of Trad
(19:55):
Inc for lack of a better termbecause the perception that
they're trying to portray isthat there's some coordinated
effort led by Cardinal Burkethat told the trads to lay off
and not criticize Leo, becausethen you'll get your Latinist.
And it's just not.
It's just not, it's just nottrue.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean, did you see that tweet from Stephen Cox
?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's just not true.
You know, and it's like,because I really do like Chris
Jackson, I really like CatholicEsquire.
I think what their like, theirtakes on things are very
important.
But I don't think the circularfiring at one another is helpful
and I don't even think thecircular firing from settees and
trads is helpful, and I don't,I like I.
(20:38):
I I think that we have to getto a point where we start to
build some kind of a coalitionthat is going to raise up a
generation that will be able toface what is coming and, when
the time is right, there will bea big enough group of faithful
Catholics to do what God needsthem to do in that time.
(20:59):
But I, I don't see how havinganother division in Tristan
helps, like it's not.
Like these guys are set A's andthey're doing what Nova Sorda
watch does.
They're it's like I think theykind of take a similar position
to to me in which they're like Idon't know about the Pope
question, I just know things aremessy since the council and
(21:21):
this is not fixing anything.
But I think all the trads thatare even the ones who were
giving Leo that extra latitude,I think those guys also kind of
know what this papacy is Like.
I don't know.
I have not been under anyillusions that this is going to
be some grand restoration of thepapacy.
I do think leo said some goodthings.
(21:42):
I think he said some.
I don't think he said anythingbad.
He's he's said some good thingsand he's done some questionable
things.
I think having james martincome there days after this
minneapolis shooting is horrificoptics, like just horrific
optics.
I mean these guys, all of them,including Leo, all thought, hey
(22:08):
, let's go after gun controlafter this and not looking at
the.
And it's not even just thetrans issue, it is the total
collapse of morality in aculture.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think something's up with YouTube.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Oh, no what.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
The chat doesn't seem to be working.
I can't post in it.
The current viewers justbounced from 98 up to 331.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think people can see us but I don't know, yeah,
as long as you guys can see us,yeah, like St Augustine, st
Chatworks for me.
I don't know, youtube's beenkind of funny, like last episode
.
It went up to 10,000 concurrentviewers.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It might be this topic.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It might be posting this topic that messes with it
and sends bots in and stuff likethat.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I'm not, I'm not really sure, so yeah, I will
remove the wrench from you, sir.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
YouTube suspended Ryan.
I don't know what that's about,but so the I'm not sure Like
people should not have thesehigh expectations of the Leo
papacy.
It's just not.
It's not sure People should nothave these high expectations of
the Leo Papacy.
It's just not reality.
So I do think there issomething strategic in seeing
(23:28):
what he does with the Latin mass, because of what we talked
about with Tim Gordon and BrianHoldsworth and that if he does
loosen some of thoserestrictions I know those guys
are looking at it like, oh,you're going to take your crumbs
and praise him for it.
No, but I do think those arevaluable crumbs and we'll give
it.
Look, let's let's.
Rob discuss this the other nightwith Adrian on his Guns and
Rosaries show.
But if you guys had any ideathe obstacles Rob has had put in
(23:52):
front of him because ofTraditionis Custodis to simply
baptize his child a sacramentnecessary for salvation like it
is so preposterous and insane.
And if there is a lessening ofthat so that people like rob,
who lives in a in in a ruralarea that he has to travel two
to four hours to go to mass, ifthat restriction is lightened up
(24:14):
to where he can go to hisdiocesan lat Latin mass an hour
away, like that changes life forhim.
So, yeah, there is somethingstrategic in saying, hey, let's
not make this pope's life aliving hell before we know where
he's gonna go on certain things.
I don't think it's somecoordinated effort coming down
(24:36):
from Cardinal Burke or CardinalSeurat, I think it's just people
saying, look, and the otherthing is like I have such
Francis fatigue from from goingthrough that whole ordeal that
I'm just sick of talking aboutthe Pope in general, like I
really am.
I'm just sick of it.
I don't care to like followevery single thing that comes
out of the Vatican anymore.
(24:56):
It's just kind of run itscourse for me and I wanted to
kind of get into some differentthings.
I wanted to try some new thingson this show.
Obviously, if something bigcomes up, we'll discuss it, but
it's I don't know, it's tiresometo me.
I watch Catholic content allday when I'm at work, just like
breezing through to see whateverybody's talking about, and
literally every show.
Today was James Martin at theVatican.
(25:18):
It's like, okay, james Martin'sat the Vatican, did you guys
expect something different?
Seriously, like I'm not like inthe least bit surprised by this
.
I'm not disappointed in it.
It's actually par for thecourse and it's exactly what I
would expect.
I just wish the timing was notso horrific and it's not even so
(25:41):
much.
That James Martin visited withthe Pope is that James Martin
came out and said what he saidafterward and felt perfectly
comfortable saying that Leah wasgoing to continue on with what
Francis did.
So it's like, yeah, it's, it's,you know, it's, it's messy,
it's I don't know Like who, whatare you going to do?
I.
What you're going to do isyou're going to do the best you
can to live your Catholic faithout.
(26:02):
You're going to do the best youcan to raise your children
Catholic and you're going to tryto keep this stuff from your
wives and children, who mightget worried from it.
Right, if you're a man Like you, don't worry your wife and kids
with this stuff.
You bear the weight of thecraziness of the vatican.
Deal with that, however youmust, and then just raise your
children in the catholic faiththe best you can.
So that that's kind of myperspective on it.
(26:26):
So I mean, I I would love tohave uh chris jackson and uh
catholic esquire on.
So let's.
Because if I'm misrepresentinganything they're saying or
anything like that, I want tomake sure I'm not.
But I do think there is a placefor all of us to have these
conversations without it being,hey, this guy's not acting in
good faith, he's just doing itfor money and grifting and
things like that.
I don't think that's helpfuland I don't know.
(26:48):
I respect all these guys and Iwant to see great minds
accomplish some things togetherrather than internal bickering,
and if I have to play peermediator, I'm glad to do it, um
so all right.
So let's jump to um.
Let's, let's jump into the andy.
(27:10):
No tweet, rob and we'll.
We'll get into where we, wherethe mother was misrepresented
here let me pull that up herethat's a good, that's a good
tweet.
Uh, good comment, right, do youdo?
Trust in the providence of god,do what you can and don't worry
(27:31):
about what you can't.
Change, like I, I don't knowhow healthy it is spiritually to
be obsessing on every littlething, because I know it wasn't
healthy for me.
For a couple of you, I thoughtthat, look, there was something
exciting about it during theFrancis papacy of seeing
Catholics take their faith moreseriously and, you know, uh,
rally around bringing back someof these beautiful devotions
(27:51):
that we lost after the council.
I learned so much about myCatholic faith because of
Francis and in some ways, I'mgrateful for that period because
it, like I, learned a lot ofthings I hadn't, you know, been
aware of.
All right, let's, let's pop up,andy, no, okay, so this is Andy
(28:13):
knows article, which is let'ssee, let me bring it up on my
thing so I can see it a littlebetter and read it easier, okay
so, uh, secrets inside thewestman family.
Has mary westman been wrong?
Wrongly vilified?
Mary grace westman had beendemonized for her son's
transition and subsequentviolent extremism, but new
information reveals the publicmay have been wrong.
(28:33):
I spoke with someone who knowsthe family.
Um.
According to this source, itwas Jim Allen Westman, not Mary
Grace Westman, who was the mostaffirming of Robert's gender
dysphoria.
Jim is very liberal, as I sawon his social media before he
deleted it.
Before and after the divorce,the couple's five children
allegedly looked to him foraffirmation on choices their
(28:56):
mother wouldn't support.
Mary Grace was veryconservative and jim was not.
The source said she had beeninvolved in pro-life activism,
had been given birth, had givenbirth to many children.
Because of this dynamic, thekids always went behind mary
grace's back to jim for approvalof doing things she didn't
approve.
It just shows you how much afather like we we get on single
(29:17):
mothers all the time, but afather has such, oh man, a
father that does this in theaftermath of the uh well
shooting on wednesday.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
This is from the father's facebook.
This is what he tweeted on theday.
Uh, derek chauvin was foundguilty of the whole george floyd
thing, so definitely veryliberal, yeah uh.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
In the aftermath of the catholic shooting on
wednesday, ms westman uh hasbeen ruthlessly vilified by mobs
on social media because hersignature appeared on a court
paperwork that allowed robert tolegally transition as a minor
in min.
Both parents typically have toconsent to a child's identity
change, but the source believesMs Westman was under immense
(30:03):
pressure from professionals,doctors and family, all warning
her that unless she signed, herson would take his life.
This threat is a familiar linefor mainstream groups transition
or unaliving.
The online mob rage against MsWestman grew as Minneapolis
police said she wasn't returningcontact with them from her home
(30:23):
in Naples, florida.
She also retained a criminaldefense lawyer.
Now I'll say right off the batnever talk to the police without
a lawyer under anycircumstances.
Right, I mean, that's justcommon sense.
So yeah, I don't blame her forgetting a lawyer, but it's not
unusual for someone to not speakto law enforcement without a
counsel.
Her Florida home was visited bythe FBI after the shooting, but
no one appeared to be there.
According to the media, she wasreportedly on her way back to
(30:45):
Minnesota to be with herchildren.
Mr Westman lives in Minneapolisand is a geographic information
systems application developerfor a tech company.
The company is a world leaderin developing software for
digital maps.
According to the source, theWestman's divorce due to the
values misalignment regardingchild rearing.
So they got divorced becausethe mother was the Catholic and
(31:05):
she wanted to raise the childrenwith faith and the father was a
wacky liberal.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And it happened when Robert was 11.
So probably and I I this isjust conjecture, but it probably
happened at the time he startedto have the, that gender
dysphoria, I would imaginearound the age of 11, yeah it
just shows how, oh man, divorce,how much it wreaks havoc on
children.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Um, miss westman was very much a traditionalist.
She had six children in herlife, the first of whom, a baby
girl, was given up for adoptionwhen the mother was young, miss.
So she probably, like she,chose to keep the child first
young.
She chose to keep the childFirst off, right, she chose to
keep the child and give it upfor adoption.
Maybe that led to someconversion in her heart or
something.
The father worked in tech andwas not a religious conservative
(31:50):
.
After the divorce, the fatherkept the family home in Hastings
, minnesota.
He later took on a new partner.
Ms Westman relocated to a smalltown in minnesota where she can
see a small condo yeah, in egan,minnesota, where she continued
working in the administration ofthe annunciation catholic
church before moving to floridain 2022.
Um, okay, so the source I'mgoing to skip a little and go to
(32:14):
the source added.
Mary grace did not share withus that she signed the identity
change for the paper for bobby.
She probably would not havebeen able to face us, but we all
still would have loved andaccepted her decision, knowing
that her back was against thewall.
Um, now, rob, do you have thethe screenshot of the thing I
put in there just describing theminnesota laws that are on the
(32:36):
books?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
let me look real quick um.
You put it in the I put just ascreenshot that?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
oh yeah, I have it yeah, let's see if we could pop
that up, because, um, this justkind of goes into how insane the
laws are in minnesota.
Like minnesota is a sanctuarystate for transitioners, right?
So, because of Tim walls.
So, basically, if you are inanother state and you want to
(33:05):
transition your child and yourspouse doesn't want you to, and
you escape to Minnesota, you cando that without your spouse's
consent.
Essentially, right.
So let's be perfectly clear In2023, tim Walz signed a law
written by his close advisor andactivist, lee Fink, making
Minnesota a grand threat.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
His name is Christopher.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Okay, I don't.
Yeah, I have no idea.
Yeah, he's yeah.
In Minnesota, parents arestripped of their rights.
Courts assume custody If yourefuse to trans your child.
A parent can kidnap a child,move to Minnesota and transition
their child without completelyoverriding the objections of the
other parent.
Doctors can travel to Minnesotafrom other states and do these
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things fully shielded by thislaw.
Today we are witnessing theresult of this policy.
This will continue to happen aslong as this law is on the
books.
Tim waltz has uh crimes toanswer for this.
It's just I think this, um man,I don't know like I still don't
think she should have signed it.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Don't get me wrong, but I understand, I'm gonna say
it it's easy to say inretrospect and and I you know, I
think you and I, for instance,we like someone it would have to
be done at gunpoint, right?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
yes, well, either on their end or my end, something's
happening at some point yeah,there's no scenario where where
I could ever, but I mean,there's no scenario.
But it's also man.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know, I I don't expect as much out of women as I
do of men yeah, there'ssomething to be said about that,
especially women of an oldergeneration, like we, you know,
we've seen, not that, not that Igrew up with kids that were
trans, because that that reallywas like the you know, the
(34:57):
zoomers after me, but like Ihave, you know, younger cousins
that that are, um, you know, soI've seen it somewhat growing up
, uh, but someone of the boomergeneration.
They didn't they, they didn'tlive with that, they didn't see
that.
They just know the people thatthey trust, you know doctors,
whereas, once again, ourgeneration and those younger do
(35:20):
not trust doctors the way theydo, right, um, so the, the
people in authority that theytrusted, tell them that they
need to do it and we can saythat they made a mistake and
they definitely did.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Don't get me wrong, but it's easy to it's easy to
recognize and say no it's sonuts because, um, I watched this
documentary, uh two nights agoon netflix and, man, look, if
you guys are gonna watch it, I'mabout to ruin it on netflix and
, man, look, if you guys aregonna watch it, I'm about to
ruin it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So if you guys want to watch, hold on, hold on I.
I have a banner for this.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Hold on, let me put it yeah, I'm about to ruin the
punchlines of the documentarywhat was the documentary called?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
uh, man, it's talking unknown number or something
right uh yeah, there's somethingabout unknown number.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Let me see, I have it in our um, in our group chat
with Jason and Mark.
Let me see, oh, it's calledUnknown Number, the High School
Catfish.
But what you see in thatdocumentary is what women can do
, right, you know what?
Maybe I'll show you howdiabolical without the
(36:27):
documentary, what are you?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
doing.
I'm gonna give you a spoileddocumentary.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I'm not gonna, I'm gonna do, uh, I'm gonna show you
spoiling a biography and theydie at the end I don't want to
ruin the punchline of who'sresponsible, but I kind of just
did already.
Uh, let me see, hang on likethis.
I want to ruin the punchline ofwho's responsible, but I kind
of just did already.
Let me see, hang on Like this.
I want to show this.
We have to, we have to go overthis.
(36:57):
Okay, I got it.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
Hang on.
Nope, that's not it.
Where are you?
Where are you, rob?
Oh, there you are.
Okay, I'm putting it in rightnow.
Let's play this clip.
Let's play this clip.
Show how evil this is.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Get in there I have it.
I'm just pulling it up.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay, so this is a minute long, but just look at
how diabolical this thing can bewhen you're talking about this
movement.
Yeah, so much of it is themother, it's everybody in this
had a decision.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You are in the perfect place to start on
blockers, and she promises tobegin giving her estrogen female
hormones in two years, around13.
That's what I think.
Yes, you're not going todevelop breast buds on the
blockers, but you're not goingto wait until 16 to start.
You know that.
Okay, josie received theblockers as an implant in her
(38:03):
arm.
It's okay, it's okay.
So, with all the bravery shecould muster, josie held on
tight as another chapter openedin this young girl's life.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Young boy's life.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
This young boy A lot of times.
It strikes me that had thishappened just 20 years ago, I
wouldn't have been able to giveher blockers and she would have
had to go through male pubertyyou stupid it's all done yeah,
like there's something so shewould have survived male puberty
Speaker 1 (38:37):
this is all right.
So, like the munchausen stuffin women, man, like the
munchausen stuff in women is onsuch another level of evil that
I don't even know how todescribe it.
It's like like that poor childcould have had a totally normal
(38:58):
life and just been a normalyoung boy, you know, and that
mother did that because of herown sickness, like that.
That's, it's just, I don't know.
And every one of those doctors,every, every adult in that
video should be shot.
The wrath, the wrath that theyare going to face on judgment
(39:22):
day, is just.
I just don't.
I mean, it's just.
I don't know how we have gottento this place in a culture
where that is allowed.
I don't, I don't get it likethis is you are talking about a
monster of a woman people askhow germany could as a whole
(39:43):
elect the person they did in1932.
And man, it gets easier tounderstand every day yeah, when,
when things are getting thisnuts and like what, like, what
do we do?
We just, we just accept thatthis is normal.
At this point, I, I just don't,I don't know man, I, I, I don't
(40:05):
know, like this wholeconversation so, like the, so to
bring it back to just the popeand stuff, it's like all the all
, the all, the bishops and thepope and everybody's talking
about gun control.
None of them are talking aboutthe reality of the moral decay
of our culture.
Right, even even the video theother day of the little Scottish
(40:27):
girl running around with theaxe and stuff, even the video
the other day of the littleScottish girl running around
with the axe and stuff, likethat girl is not a hero either,
like she's just a product ofthis moral decay in the culture.
Everywhere you look is justmoral decay, degeneracy.
The world is falling apart.
It really is Christ or chaos.
It's really is Christ or chaos.
(40:47):
And you're just seeing the evilof, of betraying our God
happening before, like it's justunfolding before our eyes every
day, more and more profoundly.
It's.
I don't know, I don't knowwhere this ends up, but I just I
it's.
This is why I'm saying it'simportant that we have these
Catholic communities so that wehave a place of refuge, of
(41:11):
community with one another,because it's going to get worse.
This is not going to get better.
You're going to see these kindsof incidents that happen in
Minneapolis repeat and they'regoing to be more frequent.
And they're not going todistinguish between who was the
Uber trad and who is.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Who is trad ink, who is this and who is that I mean,
if we're going to try to fightagainst this, people have to be
prepared for there to bebloodshed, because there's going
to be.
You know, like it's justbecause the enemy recognizes who
their enemy really is, yeah,and they've come for us and
they're going to come for usmore um, let's see what tyler
(41:51):
says here.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
So, um, I would not say she is a degenerate.
She's just doing what the menover there are afraid to the 14
year old girl oh no, she's notdegenerate but and saying what
happened is a product of a yes,and even in a rightly ordered
society that she her doing thatwould not have been necessary
yeah, it's just the wholeculture is just called, and it's
(42:12):
not just immigration and stuff,it's just the moral decay
happening around us and it's allso subtle and it's in all the
programming we watch the moraldecay is what allow it for that
sort of immigration as well.
Yeah, absolutely, and it'shappening everywhere.
(42:32):
It's.
I mean, dude, I workconstruction.
Do you know the conversations Ihear on the street with these
guys?
Like the things that they say,I'm just like man, you just,
when you work around people whotheir souls are dead, right,
because I mean there's like themajority of people I'm exposed
(42:53):
to are just people with deadsouls, right, it's just.
The reality is that they're allin like mired in mortal sin, so
desensitized to holiness andwhat's right and what's wrong,
that the things that will comeout of their mouths you're just
like man, and it's not even athing of judgment, it's like a
thing of sorrow, like I don'tknow, I don't know how to bring
(43:17):
light into, into their world,where they, where they even
could see the things thatthey're saying about women, the
things that they're saying abouttheir own wives, the thing that
they're, the things that theylook forward to and want to do.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Like I'm just at a loss for how to even have
conversations with so, so manypeople, I think in many ways
like the company to get to apoint where conversation can
even be had like you gotta, yougotta show them, just they gotta
see it.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You know, through your example yeah, and they may
not be able to see it, you know,through their, through their
sin, but uh well, what'sinteresting about that comment
even is a lot of the guys willguard what they say when I'm
around.
But then when, like, they havea little bit of a problem and
they're actually seekingsomething in god, they come to
(44:06):
me because they know I'm the guythey could go to you know.
So, like they'll guard their,have a little bit of a problem
and they're actually seekingsomething in God, they come to
me because they know I'm the guythey can go to you know.
So, like they'll guard theirconversations a little bit when
I'm around, cause, especially ifthey're talking about women and
they're a married guy, like Idon't let that stuff slide.
I like I call them degenerates.
I'm like, bro, you're married,like you're, you have want your
(44:31):
daughter's husband talking likethat, like that I'll do stuff
like that.
Um, so, but then when they havesomething happen in their lives
where they're actually seekinggod, I've had multiple guys that
were.
I got a phone call two days agofrom one of the guys I work with
asking me what was the question.
He asked me um, he's like, well, jesus was jewish.
Like why don't the jew?
Like?
He was like asking why don't'tthe Jews believe in Jesus?
(44:51):
And I had to like get into this.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, see, you should read this book by a man named E
Michael Jones the Jewishrevolutionary Dude I had.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I like I had like a 40 minute conversation with him
just based on that question andI got into like I won't even
talk about it on YouTube, but itjust it was very enlightening
to him, but it was just that heknew he could come to me with
that question.
All he's asked me a fewquestions in the past month or
two and they're all like prettydeep questions, like one of them
was um, if Jesus is God, why,why does he pray?
(45:23):
You know like like really deepquestions that I had to talk to
him about because he was aCatholic, he grew up Catholic
and he was never taught a singlething.
Yeah, so now he's coming acrosscontent and he's seeing
conversations and he's openinghis heart a little bit to asking
about Christianity.
He doesn't even know who theheck to ask.
So he's, he's coming to hisfriend at work, the only guy he
(45:44):
knows that goes to church.
Really interesting dynamicthat's happening.
Like while the culture isdegrading, there are these
little bits of light happeningall over the place.
I wanted to bring up this onecomment.
Okay, so every time I feelblackmailed at the state of the
church, I always remind myselfhow much worse, it is being
completely away from the faith.
(46:05):
This is this comment rings sotrue for me, because when I was
away from the sacraments, I wasone of those guys at work
talking like they talked,looking at the things they
looked at, and it was just wildhow quickly my mind spiraled
down into that, even after I hadknown Christ, because I was
(46:26):
away from the sacraments and I.
When you fall into mortal sin,it, it desensitizes your
conscience and it darkens yourintellect and the next thing you
know you're right back in thepit and seven demons return
where they where one was sweptclean, seven return and I was in
worse state than it was beforemy initial worst than an animal
at that point yeah.
Like legit Right, worse than ananimal at that point.
(46:47):
Yeah, like legit Right.
So never had I seen the realityof the sacraments more than
that period of when I returnedback to going to confession and
then going to mass.
It was like an overnight changeof just having the light of
Christ brought back into my life, going from that back into the
light of Christ, and then justthe whole, my whole entire
(47:13):
family life, changed everything.
So the reality of thesacraments was never more real
to me than that time.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
You, just, you just.
The thing is, guys, thatespecially with sexual sin, guy
has such a deep shame when he'sin that that he won't even allow
himself to hear the name Christ.
Like you, if you even bringJesus up, it hurts them and
(47:37):
they'll just walk away from theconversation.
They'll do anything they can toget out of it.
They want nothing to do withthat conversation because they
know it's even hearing the nameof Jesus will bring shame to
someone.
It's a, it's a, it's a verydeep thing.
That happens because evenpeople that never were taught
the faith, something about hisname just is hard to hear when
(47:59):
you're living in mortal sin.
Um then, uh, let me see, now wedo have.
Um, I mean, is there any otherother final things you want to
just touch on with that woman,because I think a lot of people
did kind of just jump down andblast her.
I think we were more concernedwith did she get influenced by
(48:22):
church figures?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, I mean most of so, like when she, when it came
out that she had quickly flownback to Florida and got a lawyer
, like that was over the weekendand we weren't doing shows, and
I think that's good, because Ithink it saved us from maybe
doing a show where we put unfairblame on her.
Now, looking at the situationand her actions, I think what
(48:51):
she did is really smart, becauseI think she realizes that the
liberals, especially here inMinnesota, are going to use her
and her actions prior to signingthat um, as a scapegoat cause
(49:11):
like they're gonna say they'regonna say it was you know
anti-trans, anti-lgbt bigotrythat caused the shooting
meanwhile the kid in hismanifesto, whatever it was said,
uh, you know he was angry athis mom for resisting it.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
and then in the next sentence he was angry at his mom
for resisting it.
And then in the next sentencehe was like don't ever let your
kids do this.
And the kid was like it was theLGBT propaganda and getting
into marijuana that reallymessed his brain up and kind of
did this too, like he admits itin his notepad and whatever he's
got.
It was.
(49:46):
It was the combination of thepropaganda and him just getting
into weed you know and that andthat kind of sent them on this
downward spiral and I think hehad so much regret from his
decision to go down that roadthat he was like I'd rather go
out in a blaze like this thandetransition.
(50:06):
I think that's where, where hewas at, rather than admit it was
a mistake to do this.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Well, for those of you who aren't terminally online
, you probably hold on.
I think I bookmarked some ofthis stuff, but you might not
realize how violent some of thisstuff is.
Gosh, where was it?
(50:33):
I don't know if I bookmarked it, but like they're they often
have.
I mean, they make flags andbanners that say death before
detransition.
Yeah, and they they mean eitherby suicide or or by acts like
this.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
So yeah, yeah, Somebody asked a really good
question to us.
They said I'd like to humblysubmit a question for you guys
to consider engaging with on oneof your shows.
I'm curious how other Catholicmen deal with mounting feelings
of what can only be described ashatred.
I've often felt this swellingup in me with regard to the
rainbow crowd, because Iperceive them as this great
(51:07):
threat to my future children andmy practice of my faith.
I know that hatred is notChristian, but it burns in me
and I don't know how.
I don't know what to do with it.
I do strongly believe thatthose people are still made in
the image of God and deservedignity and goodwill, but I
often find myself just feelingrage towards them.
Yeah, that was on Twitter.
He's admitted that to both of ushe actually submitted to you
(51:28):
and I just caught it um, whatdid I say to that?
because I forgot you said uh,keep in mind, rage, anger is not
necessarily hate.
You should have righteous angerand rage.
In regard to this, the key isnot letting that righteous anger
burn so much that it stealsyour peace and becomes hate.
You have to turn that anger toa productive goal.
If you carry a, let it be themotivation for you to get your
(51:50):
ass to the range this week inthe train.
For me, I already shoot a lot,so I'm going to use that anger
to motivate me to get more fitso that I can better protect my
family.
I think also any kind of hatred.
Like Rob said, there is a placefor righteous anger.
You should be appalled by thethings that that is being pushed
(52:11):
on our children.
There is an aspect of whereit's totally normal and good to
be angry at this stuff.
It's when you allow it todisturb your spiritual life and
you and you dwell on thosethings, which is part of the
reason why I I kind of have ledour programming away from the
Vatican stuff, because I felt itwas spiritually harmful to me
(52:33):
to a degree to just constantlybe talking about the muck and
the and the garbage happening,and it's like I'd rather talk
about cultural issues and thingslike that, because it is
depressing to see how the churchis handling this, because the
church is supposed to be thelight of Christ right, it's
supposed to be the light to theworld.
So there's a degree in which youcould say maybe the Pope knows
(52:59):
some things that we don't knowand he's doing this out of
prudence and not addressing thisissue too rashly because he's
afraid that it will lead to moreincidents like this if he comes
out and speaks strongly againstthis right.
But the reality is too rashlybecause he's afraid that it will
lead to more incidents likethis If he comes out and speak
strongly against this right.
But the reality is is, at acertain point, not saying the
truth or or lightening the truth, or weakening the truth, it
(53:21):
becomes a lie at a certain point, and it becomes it.
It it's like what?
What is the purpose of thechurch at that point if they're
not going to speak clearly onthis stuff?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
so yeah, I, I think also like he, he's largely live
in, has lived insulated from thecraziness of it down in peru,
um, because he was down therefor a long time.
You know, it's not like when wesay he's from Chicago, it's not
(53:56):
like he's been, you know,archbishop of Chicago like
Cupich.
But yeah, I mean what you'resaying is there's a lot in the
world to be angry at, a lot ofstuff in the world to be rightly
and justly angry at, and we canuse that anger to motivate
ourselves to do good.
(54:18):
I mean you should use thatanger to motivate you to pray
for these people.
It's not easy, I mean.
So the day it happened, likeafter we did our show that night
, um, so my so maddie had goneover to my mom's earlier in the
day.
She had to watch him while hopewent to the doctor or something
(54:39):
like that.
So my mom was watching the news, because she's a boomer and
always has the news on tv justall the time.
I don't get it.
But so she was watching thenews and maddie was over there
and he saw it and heard about itand he got just very confused
and angry that someone would dothat to kids, right, I mean kids
his age and a little bit older.
So I mean talking with him andiggy after the show that night
(55:01):
about it like it's hard toexplain to to anyone, let alone
a kid, like how how someone cando such evil and how we are
called to still pray for them.
You know, like how do you dothat?
Speaker 1 (55:14):
and there's something interesting.
There's something interestingin um, when you man, I work
around some some grossness,right right Like I work in I
work in the South Bronx at timesI mean I work around filth like
the people that I'm around aregross and drug addicts and it
(55:38):
gets pretty bad.
But I found, like the, thecouple of times where somebody
has asked me for money and I'mlike, nah, I'm not going to give
you money but I'll buy youlunch and I'll go in and I'll
buy them lunch and I sit andtalk with them for a couple of
minutes, something oddly likewhen you actually see Christ in
the worst.
There's something I don't know.
(56:02):
It's like.
It's like when you, when yousee me in the least of my
brethren, like you know, likethere's something beautiful
about St Francis going andvisiting the lepers and and
embracing the lepers, and it's avery difficult thing to do
because you're grossed out bythese people, you know, and you,
you look down upon themsubconsciously.
You almost can't help it whatare you laughing at?
(56:26):
people.
It's sick.
Um, there is still something.
No, it's, they're not alwaysthey're, they're of all.
I mean alcoholics and drugaddicts are all races.
I don't care what you say, yougo.
But when you're working aroundthis kind of stuff and you
actually sit and you I mean,look it's, it's.
It's strange because you Inever want to give money to feed
(56:49):
somebody's habit, but I don'tmind feeding the poor.
There's something Christcommands us to do, and charity
covers a multitude of sins.
So you should look foropportunities to do stuff like
that and love the most wretched,and it'll actually change your
heart a little bit when you doit.
I found the times where I havedone that.
(57:10):
It softens me to my anger andyou see them as more human and
not just this leech upon society.
Or you know, like if you walkpast a homeless person and you
feel disgust, maybe that's thetime to turn around and actually
do something for them.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
It might change your heart a little bit for them
might change your heart a littlebit.
How and I don't expect you tohave an answer, anyone have an
answer but like, how do we dothat or things of that nature
with with, with this group, withthis community, right, right,
like, because I that is a goodquestion, it's probably one I
(57:49):
should probably ask NancyCharles.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
We were at Fire Island this weekend.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Because I don't have a Fire Island to go to and buy
around for everyone.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Oh my, goodness that one.
I saw that tweet.
You put a couple of drinks inme and I'm like oh buy around
for everyone.
Oh, my goodness.
Pro tip for anyone if you'redrinking anthony just I can't
help myself, like I just want tobe generous and but whatever,
it cost me 200 bucks for aroundthe drive anyway.
But we were there.
It was me and nicole and the,the kid behind the bar.
(58:20):
Uh was clearly gay, you know,and um, I was talking with him
and he was just telling me aboutuh, I don't know how it came up
, but it came up that his momhad she's one of nine kids and
I'm like, oh, is she a big irish?
Speaker 2 (58:39):
came up, you were talking about your huge family.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
No, no, no after he told me that I mentioned it was
mine.
He was because he was telling mehow he ended up, like he runs
the, the restaurant on thisplace that we go, yeah, and he,
he was like I was just beingnice to him and then he, he was
telling me about how his mom wasone of nine kids and I started
talking about catholicism and hewas like he's a little taken
back by it.
But I don't know, I mean, whatelse can you do besides just
(59:03):
talk to people and, you know,share little things of your own
experience and like like, uh, Idon't, I don't know, I don't
know how you know, becausethey're not like the lepers of
society, they're like theglorified in our culture.
So I don't know, I don't knowwhat like the proper approach is
.
Yeah, it is tricky, you knowit's um I I know.
(59:24):
Like being vitriolic towardsthem is not the answer, though.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
No, but at the same time I want a certain subset of
them to understand that if theytry anything, they're getting
shot.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, no, I know how do you communicate both.
There's also different degreesof it, right?
No, there is for sure.
There's different degrees of it, right?
No, there is for sure.
There's different degrees of it.
And, like you, always have toleave room for the people who
might have the attraction butare open to god and willing to
live a chase life yeah likethere are lots of people out
(01:00:02):
there looking for god and justbecause they have that
attraction because of somethingthat happened to them in their
childhood or something like it,doesn't mean like they're,
they're all people who need thegospel.
So, I don't know, I don't know,you know, that's why, like this
weekend when I, when hementioned his mom, was one of
nine kids, I try to always flipcatholicism and wherever I can
(01:00:22):
and I try to, you know, droplittle seeds of something and
I'll always mention that me andNicole go to mass every Sunday
and things like that.
So it's, it's a tricky one, youknow, um, straight down, a
little far out, and there'sdifferent.
There's a gay section of fireIsland, that's, uh, terry Grove.
That's not where I was.
(01:00:42):
Um, who are the lepers of today?
Uh, wait, but lepers of today,uh wait, did I lose that
question?
Uh, who are the lepers of today?
Honest question.
Oh, it depends what, uh, whatyou mean by that?
Well, well, they are treated asoutcasts.
Right, like we are treated asoutcasts, but you'll still see a
universal revulsion of when yousee homeless people just around
(01:01:07):
, you know, and if you don'thave exposure to that, you don't
really understand that, likethey are the gross outcasts of
society that nobody wants tomeet.
You know, they're waiting atevery traffic light that I come
to with the cup in their handand you're like I'm not putting
money in this cup because I knowthis guy's just going to go put
it up his arm.
So you know, I would thinkthey're probably lepers.
All right, we're in an hour.
(01:01:30):
I want to go over to Locals, Iwant to cover the James Lindsay
story and then I want to JamesLindsay and I want to talk to
you about how the gun show isgoing with Adrian.
We'll see what you guys aredoing over there.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Before we go to locals, though, we should tell
everyone that, if you want areally good deal that we can't
actually talk about yet, youwant to join locals and not just
join locals.
Join for a year, which I did.
Is it set at 50 bucks?
Is that what I said it to?
I?
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
think so, but it will work out for you in the long
run, yeah, so it's 50 bucks fora year.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Now, locals will only be around for six to eight more
weeks, but in that transitionyou will get that remainder of
the year as a subscription toway more than just me and
Anthony whoever, whoever has alocal subscription, your
subscription will be fulfilledwherever we end up, but we may
not be on locals soon.
(01:02:32):
That's all we can say.
If you are a monthly locals,you will get the remainder of
that month, but then after thatit will be a different
subscription cost, and it willprobably be a slight increase.
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Not much, but a slight increase.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It will still be a good deal, but if you really
want a good deal, you're gonnaget you're gonna get a lot for
your, for your money.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Let's just say that there's some fun things that
we're gonna be able to announce,uh, so all right, so we're
gonna go over to locals, we'lltalk over there, maybe we'll
maybe we'll spill the beans alittle more over there.
We can't do it over here,though, you guys.
You guys on youtube.
We're not allowed to tell you,so we spill the beans a little
more over there.
We can't do it over here,though you guys on YouTube,
we're not allowed to tell you,so we spill the beans a little
more over there.
I might have some personalstories to share over there, too
, if we don't have enoughcontent to fill the time.
(01:03:16):
So, all right, we're headingover.
Take us out, rob.
Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Okay, I'm just going to start cutting things.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Because I didn't get the taffy videos.
This is cool because, uh, uh,fed calderon is a is protestant,
he watches our show and he's uh, yeah, he, he just enjoys our
show.
You know, and I think that Ithink that, like protestants do
generally agree with our moraltakes on cultural issues, things
like that.
You know, even, even even if wedo go down like a specifically
Catholic road, I do think thatthere's agreement in places like
(01:03:53):
that, and I think Fed went tohis first mass recently, so he's
definitely like looking intothings.
So just keep fedding yourprayers, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Okay, we're ready to actually go to locals now,
mm-hmm.
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