October 10, 2025 • 54 mins
Forget the safe take. We go straight at the knot that ties American power, Israeli policy, media gatekeeping, and the Catholic conscience—and why so many big voices choose silence when the stakes are highest. The conversation contrasts a clean non‑intervention case with a thornier identity lens and then brings in the missing third rail: theology. That’s where the ground shifts—Scripture’s patterns of elder and younger brothers, covenant faithfulness and rupture, and the Church’s self-understanding after Christ illuminate why this debate won’t stay “just politics.”
We talk candidly about incentives in conservative media, the “I don’t care about Israel” cop‑out, and how American funding and weapons erase neutrality. Clips from Dave and Nick frame the battle lines; our take argues that morals don’t disappear because a topic risks your job. We press on papal rhetoric and immigration, not to harden hearts, but to ask whether sweeping statements replace prudence and ignore those of us who serve immigrants and the poor up close. Compassion needs order; pastoral care needs the parish and the Eucharist, not only headlines and hashtags.
There’s a cultural spine here too: how post‑WWII trauma shaped public life and even Church tone; how the old TV gatekeepers collapsed; how suburbs, highways, and the melting‑pot myth atomized communities that once anchored faith and duty. If America is only ideas, no one belongs anywhere. If America is people and places, stewardship demands honesty about borders, aid, and the costs we export and import. Through it all, we call for courage without hatred—love of enemy, willingness to suffer, and the resolve to tell the whole truth even when it burns.
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Well, the thing is, Rob and Ilike uh okay, so the show topic
tonight.
I wanted to do this on locals,and I wanted to do the document
on here, and Rob was like, nah,like let's just let's switch it
up.
So we we're putting like thiswas going to be locals because
it's such a hard topic todiscuss on here.
SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
But I mean they just were they on YouTube?
They were on YouTube, right?
Yeah, they were it's such awe'll be fine.
I think we'll be fine.
Israel instead of Jews.
YouTube doesn't care aboutIsrael, right?
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_05 (02:11):
Um, yeah, so I do have some thoughts on this on
the document, and a lot of it isfrustration and anger, so we'll
get into that uh on the otherside, especially because not
even whatever the document iswhatever, but it's more people's
reaction to some of the things Isaid today.
And um, like I I hadn't had achance to read them today while
(02:33):
I was at work, and I came home.
And one of the things I put outwas um, I said, I'm so I'm
supposed to believe thehierarchy cares about the poor
when they robbed us of thegreatest treasure on earth.
And the amount of just normiesin my comments, like downplaying
that, like you weren't robbed ofanything, they didn't take the
Eucharist away, and I'm justlike furious.
(02:54):
Like, no, you don't care aboutthe treasure that was robbed,
but that doesn't mean youweren't robbed of a treasure,
like like you don't realize howhow how impoverished you are
because of what they did to you.
I have whatever, we'll do thatover there.
I just I just have a lot ofthoughts about it.
(03:15):
Um because whatever, we'll do itover there.
Because I'm like, I'm gonnarant.
If I start, I won't stop.
So all right, so I did watch theentire uh Nick and Dave
conversation, and there's acouple of things I took from it.
Um, one is just how much theability to have this
(03:36):
conversation on social media haschanged, and a big part of that
is because of both Nick andDave.
And Nick and Dave had had likethis weird kind of beef going on
between them, and uh Nick waskind of like acting like Dave
was uh a plant and that he waslike uh controlled opposition,
(04:01):
like they were allowing Dave'sopinions out there, but they
were keeping uh Nick out of theconversation.
Now that could be true, I don'tknow, but I I've been watching
Dave Smith for if he's not aplant, I know someone who is.
SPEAKER_04 (04:15):
Um I don't get that.
SPEAKER_05 (04:18):
Candace.
Oh, can't oh they they dodiscuss her too.
I'm sure they do.
Yeah, they discuss her too.
Like, and Rob and I have talkedabout Candace, where it's like
the reason they probably letsome of her stuff exist is
because she says such outlandishstuff that people could just
write her off as crazy.
SPEAKER_04 (04:36):
It it discredits the whole movement, but discredits
that whole side of the rightwing.
SPEAKER_05 (04:43):
It discredits any criticism of Israel, is what it
does.
Like it's so, but we also hadEric Salmons on the show, and
Eric Salmons ascribes very muchto the Dave Smith school of
thought, which is a very umlibertarian view where it's
like, okay, we can criticizeIsrael, the state, um, because
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our you know, we don't want togo into any more foreign wars
and we don't want money going toIsrael.
Now that's like a verylegitimate criticism, but to me,
it doesn't it doesn't touch someof the major issues.
Now, Nick comes at it from avery identitarian point of view,
where Nick is talking about howuh Jewish identity is very much
(05:25):
a part of this conversation,yeah.
Where you and I have alwaystaken this from more of a
theological perspective, and Ikind of see Dave Smith as like a
stepping stone to like first,like even because of the amount
of propaganda we've receivedaround this issue to just at
least get to the point where yougo, wait a minute, this is kind
of crazy.
Why are why is every singlepolitician we have um being from
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either side of the aisle?
From either side of the aisle,why do they have an APAC person,
which is basically a politicallobby, donating to to their you
know, their their uh politicalaction committees and basically
getting people elected, andthese people have to then answer
to them.
So basically, either side of theaisle is always kind of doing
something that serves thegreater Zionist cause, yeah.
(06:13):
So that's like the first breakin the in people's thinking
where they're like, Yeah, thatis kind of weird, you know.
If we're supposed to be Americafirst, how come we're always
worried about you know Israel'sbest interest before our own?
Um, what Nick talks about ismore about identity politics,
where you know, if if you'reblack, you are going to have
(06:36):
in-group thinking where ifyou're black, you're going to
look at what's best for theblack community.
If you're Spanish, you're gonnalook out for what's best for the
Spanish community.
If you're Jewish, you're goingto look out for what's best for
the Jewish community.
Now, uh, Jewish people are in aunique situation where they have
dual citizenship with Israel andwhatever country they're in,
because no matter where in theworld you're born, if you have
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Jewish descent, they offer youJewish citizenship.
And they do that especially withpeople who are in positions of
power because they want theywant them to have Israel's best
interest at heart.
So you'll have like uh a lot ofsenators and you know, people
people in positions of highauthority that have dual
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citizenship, so they're kind ofalways working for the greater
betterment of Israel, even withtheir loyalties there over that
of their country of origin attimes.
Like some these could be peoplewho were born in America or born
somewhere in Europe.
SPEAKER_04 (07:32):
The uh congressman who likes to wear his IDF
uniform to Congress, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (07:36):
It's like it's kind of like just bizarre stuff.
And I think both of them arecorrect in their assessments,
but I don't really hear anybodycover the theological issue of
it, which is where we startgetting into talking with Father
Maudsley and stuff like that,you know.
So it would it would beinteresting to sit down and have
(07:56):
a conversation with Nick andFather Maudsley, where I don't
know if we could ever make thathappen.
We do have a conversation withFather Maudsley lined up.
I also well no, he he he's okaywith Nick.
SPEAKER_04 (08:08):
So the question is would Nick be would Nick be okay
with it?
SPEAKER_05 (08:11):
Yeah, that's a good question.
SPEAKER_04 (08:12):
So I have a feeling we'd have a better chance
getting him on with FatherMaudsley than just on with us.
That's possible, I think.
That's possible.
Yeah, my wife, my wife's localsisn't working.
Imagine that.
Good job, hope.
SPEAKER_05 (08:28):
Um, I also was just asked by Damian Thompson from
The Spectator.
Uh, he invited me on to hispodcast.
SPEAKER_04 (08:37):
Really?
SPEAKER_05 (08:37):
Yeah, today he like just an hour ago.
Uh, and he said, Uh, I reallylike the way you present
Avoiding Babylon, but boy,there's some scary views.
Maybe you'd be interested incoming on my podcast sometime to
explain the Tradbro phenomenon.
The Tradbro phenomenon, yeah.
What views are what views doeshe think is scary?
Um I would think my views onthis issue, on this issue.
(09:03):
I think I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know he was very upset withCatholic Unscripted when they
spoke with Father Maudsley.
So I mean it's possible.
I don't, I'm not 100%.
Now, what's interesting is thisconversation, like when you when
you get into like the rememberthe trad inc conversation that
was happening last week wherethey're talking like you had the
the the the Uber Tradscriticizing trad ink.
(09:26):
I don't really hear this topiccome up with those guys very
often.
So I'm interested to know whattheir position is on this whole
thing, but what with with whatguys with with just the whole uh
the the Israel conversation,what their position is on do
they think there's beeninfluence in the church from
after World War II and thingslike that?
Like, like if you get intospeaking with Father Maudsley,
(09:49):
Father Maudsley straight up willtell you, do you question why
the church no longer acts likethe church?
Like, are do you wonder what itis that the church was so clear
on things before the council,what happened?
His position is that after WorldWar II, the narrative that comes
forth from that influenced thechurch so much that the church
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starts changing her teaching,starts changing her liturgy,
starts changing everything aboutit.
And he thinks there is no way toseparate that from what happened
in the church, those two thingsare just totally linked
together.
So, which is another reason I'dbe interested in speaking with
Nick and Father Mosley at thesame time because Nick seems to
(10:33):
see all of the infiltration intosociety from uh Jewish people,
but he or or Israel or howeveryou want to put it, but he
doesn't see the connection inthe church.
So I'd I'd be interested inthat.
Now I did post a clip of Nick umcriticizing Pope Leo, which is
funny because the Groyfers arealways so against criticizing
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them.
SPEAKER_04 (10:56):
There is one thing they're willing to criticize
them on, and we called this lastweek.
SPEAKER_05 (11:01):
We did we called this last week when Pope Leo
made his comments about theseamless garment.
He didn't call it the seamlessgarment, but Pope Leo made
comments saying that are youreally pro-life if you're
against abortion, but you're forcapital punishment.
And the Grupers all got oneverybody who criticized that
(11:21):
comment, saying we were alogging the Pope, and you know,
we were, you know, there werethere were a lot of things said,
and then today I saw Nick hadsomething to say about the
Pope's comments on immigration.
You want to play that clip realquick?
I put it in the chat.
SPEAKER_04 (11:34):
Sure.
SPEAKER_05 (11:34):
So this is this go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (11:36):
I was gonna say for everyone asking, yes, we know
locals isn't working right now.
I did just set up another streamthat we will switch to on locals
when it's time.
So yeah, you can't watch thispart on locals, but when we tell
you to go to locals, it will bethere and we'll switch over to
that.
So yeah, and then I'll have todo an awesome job of trying to
(11:58):
splice the two tomorrow morning.
SPEAKER_05 (12:01):
But I have I have I have a lot to say over on locals
tonight, so we will do a localstream.
Um, all right, let's play theclip of Nick.
Uh it's it says Nick Fuentaslams Pope Leo for speaking out
on Trump's deportation policy.
Christopher Hale's tweet.
And I see Grover found a wayback in, huh?
We'll see if we'll see if he canhold out before before.
SPEAKER_04 (12:21):
I'm willing to ban him just to make him create
another YouTube.
SPEAKER_05 (12:24):
No, no, no.
Leave him in.
Um all right, so let's let's seewhat Nick has to say.
SPEAKER_04 (12:34):
Here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (12:37):
Why is it that the Pope is always undermining US
immigration policy?
Because now I see Catholicpriests in Chicago and they're
doing like protests against thedeportations, and they're doing
that because they're emboldenedby the Pope.
SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
Same thing.
SPEAKER_01 (12:53):
The Pope sets the tone, and now you have
ecclesiastical authority, youknow, the clergy in America that
are that are protesting thispolitical decision.
And it's like, you know, you arethe vicar of Christ on earth for
a heavenly kingdom.
I don't know where Jesus gaveyou the authority to tell us who
we can and can't let in ourcountry.
(13:15):
You know, these people are hereillegally, they're fucking gang
members.
SPEAKER_05 (13:19):
Oh, uh guys.
These buildings.
I tried to I try my best to editthe curses.
You know what?
There's going to be curses inthis stream, guys.
We're playing clips of Nick andDave.
So if you guys have little kidsaround, you might you might uh
it might be too late.
Yeah, sorry about that.
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Um, and that might be better forthe local show anyway, because
that actually goes with thatconversation because it seems
like what he ends up sayingthere is like it just gets kind
of demoralizing having the Popealways talk about this stuff.
So we'll we'll do that on theother side.
Yeah, there's gonna be viewerdiscretion in this episode.
Um, okay, let's let's jump intothe first clip of uh uh Dave and
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Nick, and they discuss MattWalsh, Tim Pool, and um I mean I
think you could throw Knolls inthis sub in the in this in this
category, and just certainpeople deciding not to have the
conversation around this issue.
SPEAKER_03 (14:18):
Anything personally against, but like Matt Walsh,
Tim Pool, Tim's been very goodto me.
I consider him a friend.
No, like not, but they've allkind of taken this line of like,
I don't care.
Right, I don't care what's goingon with Israel.
Like, why are you guys soobsessed?
You know, why are you so uh andthere's something so
particularly enraging about it?
(14:38):
And I think part of it isbecause I really genuinely
believe like guys like me andyou are like, we'd love to not
talk about this, right?
That's kind of our wholeargument.
Yes, our whole argument is thatthis shouldn't be a thing we
even have to talk about.
But saying, why are you obsessedwith it?
It's like it's like in 2006, I'msitting here and I go, Look, I'm
a non-interventionist, but whyis everyone talking about Iraq?
(14:58):
Like, why do you have to well,because that's where we're
intervening.
So, like, how can you sit hereand be like, I'm a
non-interventionist?
Like, you like you're taking thecorrect policy position from my
perspective.
So I at least give you creditfor that.
But the thing is, we areintervening.
We are we are currently beinginterventionists, and also like
if if your whole thing is like,I don't I want to focus on
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America, I don't want to gofight other wars.
Well, who's pulling us intowars?
Right, it ain't Lebanon, youknow what I mean?
Like, so like what how do youhow it just seems like cowardice
to me?
Like, how do you get and it doesseem like that that message is
resonating with like somepeople, as I just think it's
profoundly unfair.
Like, the whole thing, the wholepoint of all of this is that it
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is an American destruction ofGaza.
This isn't Israel doing it.
Netanyahu goes around and bragsabout what Israel can do.
Israel can't do shit.
Israel can only do thingsbecause they have the full
backing of the United States ofAmerica.
So, like, sorry if you're in theworld of talking about these
things, you don't get to pass onthis one.
Like, you got to have anopinion.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Yeah, I I saw that too, and it's become very
popular over the past year and ahalf.
I see a lot of the young men,they watch Matt Walsh, they
watch uh the this other stuff,and they say, Well, yeah, I just
don't really care about Israelthat much.
I care about America.
And I saw Matt Walsh say that onTucker.
He said, and you can tell thatit it is like a rhetorical
innovation because let's behonest, this is an issue that
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people like Matt Walsh don'twant to talk about because he
works for Ben Shapiro and heknows, like Candace Owens, if
you drift too far in thatsubject, you lose your job.
And he likes having a job.
So, so you get it.
Now, this is an extremelycontentious issue, also, and
it's very topical.
It's in the news, and he knowsthe question's coming.
Are you pro-Israel?
Are you anti-Israel?
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There's people who feel verystrongly about it.
And you could tell this is likea rhetorical device.
It's a cop-out where you cansay, I'm not pro-Israel, but I'm
not anti-Israel.
I just don't care.
And I that really pissed me offbecause it seems like you're
feigning ignorance.
You're either intent, you'reeither lying or you're really
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ignorant.
And the reason why is because,be that as it may, that you
don't care about Israel, wehappen to be supporting their
war.
And it's actually hurting us.
And there's other things too.
SPEAKER_05 (17:14):
Obviously, it's a big subject.
There's a the reason I pickedthis clip is because we as
Catholics give Walsh and Knowlesa pass because they're Catholic.
Like these guys are in thepolitical conversation, and we
give them a pass because they'reCatholic.
SPEAKER_04 (17:37):
Um, I was wondering this too.
Are denim ja jackets cool again?
SPEAKER_05 (17:41):
Oh, Milo's been giving him hell for that denim
jacket.
Because if so, own Benjamin, ownBenjamin, coolest kid in the
world.
Um, the like we give Walsh andKnowles a pass on this, and that
is a cop-out where it's like,well, I'm America first, and I
don't think we should be givingany country aid.
I just don't care about theIsrael subject.
People have Israel derangement,like Tim Poole's been saying,
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people have Israel derangementsyndrome, things like that.
It's like, no, this is this iskind of one where if you're if
you're in this conversation, youyou can't just you can't just
go, well, I don't want to pick aside.
Let the like let them kill eachother, you'll heal think, heal
things like that.
There's no good guys, let themkill each other.
It's like, I don't know, man,like we're funding the
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destruction and genocide of apeople.
Like we really are, and I don'tknow how you cannot take a moral
position on that.
Yeah, it seems like too too bigof a uh uh too big of a a
scenario, like too big of asituation happening and too much
influence in our country, andwhich way our foreign policy
goes to just go, yeah, no, Idon't really have an opinion on
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this one.
SPEAKER_04 (18:50):
Yeah, I don't think it's something we as Americans
get to have no opinion on whenwhen like they point out, like
we are so in in you know so tiedwith with it and have been since
you know the 50s basically.
Um as a state, they wouldn'texist if it wasn't for uh
American support, Americanweapons, American money, you
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know, American intelligence, allof this.
Um you know, when they couldn'tuh take out Iran's um nuclear
enrichment program, who had tostep in?
SPEAKER_05 (19:24):
Yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (19:25):
I mean they didn't have they didn't they don't they
didn't have the stealth planesand the you know the uh uh the
the mops the massive ordnancepenetrators to to literally dive
a mile underground under amountain and and blow it up.
They couldn't do that, they hadto rely on us.
SPEAKER_05 (19:42):
Yeah, it just seems like um look, I think I think
I'm probably guilty of it too.
Like there are some topics thatare just so radioactive, you're
kind of just like I don't reallywant to touch them.
I said I find myself doing itwith Pope Leo, right?
Like, I don't I almost don'twant to get caught up in in the
fray of this argument, and thenand then I worry, like uh, like
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I don't I don't I don't want tobe a Catholic criticizing these
things, but the fact is, like ata certain point it could become
cowardice when you see certainthings happening and you just
don't say anything about it, andyou just so much of it is
mimetic desire, you're afraidyou're gonna get criticized too
much.
In in Walsh and Knowles's case,it is very much they are because
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I do think they have strongopinions on this, they don't
want to lose the comfort oftheir job.
SPEAKER_04 (20:31):
I I think that's probably a good portion of it.
SPEAKER_05 (20:34):
Yeah, there's no chance Matt Walsh does not have
strong opinions on this, but heworks for the Daily Wire, and we
know what those opinions arebecause if they were the
opposite opinions, he would besaying them, right?
SPEAKER_04 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (20:46):
So we know what his silence is his silence actually
is him like silence isdeafening, yeah.
It's very deafening, and it'slike you can't just uh uh like I
don't know, man.
I think I think we're getting tothe point, and I get it.
SPEAKER_04 (21:03):
I you know, uh, I wouldn't want to lose my job
over it either.
Yeah, yeah, I get it, but butwhen when your job is commentary
and you refuse to comment aboutsuch an important topic, then
there is a problem there, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (21:18):
And I I the reason I've chosen to talk about this
subject as often as we have isbecause I think this is going to
be the biggest issue in thechurch going forward.
I do.
I don't think the I don't thinkthe conversation is going to be
about Novus Ordo and and theLatin mass.
Like I don't, I think this thiswhole situation is going to come
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to a head eventually, and we'regoing to have to figure out
which side we're on.
And yeah, Bree Dale does defendeverything, but she's also
working for the Daily Wire.
It's like like this is this isnot a light subject.
Like we've it's and especiallyif you don't know, um, if you
don't know where to like whereto go on it.
(22:04):
So all right, so the next clipis uh the libertarian approach
versus the identitarianapproach.
We'll go through that one.
It's a little shorter this clip.
SPEAKER_04 (22:17):
Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Also more extreme.
Now, same is true of likeTucker, all the Tim Poole people
have been trying to get me onhis book.
No, I've not seen it.
Yeah, right.
And so, and why am I not allowedon?
Of course, it's it's my viewthat I was canceled for this
issue.
And so to see you go onto theshow, it, you know, and people
say it's jealousy, maybe there'sa little resentment there too,
(22:41):
but it was a bigger concern thatas a Jewish person, and also by
the way, not just that you'reJewish, but as a libertarian,
you come at it from a differentplace.
You're a non-interventionist, aRon Paul guy.
And I even have thisdisagreement with Tucker on some
level, too.
So it's not just you.
My big worry is that is theconversation going to stop at we
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need to end all these wars andlike the neocons are the
problem.
Because my critique goesfurther, and it says that it
actually does have to do withJewish identity.
Jewish identity is so powerfuland so potent.
Jews refuse to assimilate.
They're so powerful, they're sotribalistic, they're loyal to
each other.
Not all of them, but a lot ofthem.
(23:22):
And that is actually where theIsrael loyalty proceeds from.
It's this anxiety.
We need Israel because whathappens if it goes south here?
We need to be powerful inAmerica to prevent a majority
from rising up against us.
And it's kind of that identityissue, which, and you know, I
that's why I'm open to talkingto you or even somebody like uh
(23:44):
a Bill Ackman or a Sean McGuireor a Shapiro and say, I
recognize Jews are a part ofAmerica.
They've always had they alwayshave been, and they're some of
the finest Americans, actually.
But people recognize it cannotgo on this way where we have an
open society, but they have thisloyalty and kind of play by a
different set of rules.
And anyway, so my concern isthat what it looked like to me
(24:06):
is you're being brought onto theshows, and they know maybe that
you'll never go that far as aJewish person, or maybe even as
a libertarian.
And a big red line was beingdrawn and saying, but you are
still an anti-Semite, you arestill banned on YouTube, you are
banned on the shows.
Fuck you, you're all the wayover here, and that's why I like
(24:27):
you and I respect you, and Ithink you're with that with more
preparation.
SPEAKER_04 (24:31):
We would have given these to Taffy to bleep out.
SPEAKER_05 (24:34):
Yeah, it's not even that like I'm trying to like I'm
doing things while I'm screenrecording these things, and I'm
not even paying attention.
Maybe I'm just so desensitized Idon't even hear the F-word
anymore.
Um, but but to his point, thiswas the conversation we had with
Salmons.
Salmons is willing to criticizefunding Israel.
(24:55):
Uh, he's willing to criticizethe stance on foreign wars, but
he's not um no, I did I I'mtelling you, I got a lot going
on, guys.
I still do have a job during theday, so um uh uh salmons was
willing to criticize like ourour funding to them and and
foreign wars and stuff, but he'snot willing to look at is it
(25:18):
something more than that?
And then Nick brings it to theidentity conversation and says,
No, no, no, it's because theystick together and they have
loyalty, but I think it goeseven further, and it's because
there is this enmity betweenChristians and and Jews from the
time of the Old Testament, well,like from the time of Christ,
right?
And it goes back to the all ofthe stories in the old testament
(25:42):
leading to this.
Now you guys who watch the showregularly, you're gonna hear me
repeat things you've heard mesay a hundred times, but imagine
what it's like for me guys.
Yeah, in case anybody's new iswatching the show, anybody that
is, you know, maybe a groper orsomebody from Dave's audience is
watching this, like theconversation goes even further
because this storyline of enmitybetween the elder brother and
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the younger brother, it goesback to the old testament.
It's it starts with Cain andAbel, and it goes through Jacob
and Esau, and it's even inChrist's parables, and Christ's
parables almost all of them havethese, they they usually have
four meanings, but almost all ofthem have to do with the the the
covenant, like the the thepeople of Israel, you know,
(26:28):
Christ coming, God sends his sonand they kill him, and then and
then the other wedding guestsare invited, or the prodigal
son, the the prodigal son windsup, he gets the he gets the
inheritance, and the olderbrother is angry that the father
throws the party for him, eventhough he squandered his
inheritance.
All of those stories have to dowith this enmity between Jews
(26:49):
and Christians, and um it endsup uh to the to the point where
there's even this reconciliationat the end of time, which is
prefigured in all those storiesas well, especially the story of
Joseph and his brothers.
His brothers, uh there's 12 ofthem, they sell him into
slavery, and then he winds upbecoming like the prince of
(27:11):
Egypt, and he then reconcileswith his brothers after there's
a famine in in the land.
It's like this is the story ofChristianity, and that's how
it's going to play out.
But that enmity is going to staythere between Jews and
Christians, and it it's playingout before our eyes right now in
(27:31):
such a way that in the in thelast clip.
Oh no, I didn't even put thisclip in.
They there was a section in theshow where they talked about how
things are getting so out ofhand because they no longer have
control over the media narrativelike they did for so many years,
right?
I mean, after after the eventsof World War II, you had three
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basic stations on TV where theycould they could control the
news narrative, they couldcontrol what kind of propaganda
went through in movies.
SPEAKER_04 (28:02):
And it was actually up and through the 50s and into
the 60s, it was actually largelylike um I won't say Catholics
controlled it, but there wereCatholic institutions that
restricted a lot of stuff on TV.
But then in the 50s, as Israelis rising to prominence and
gaining support from America,you have you have the the
(28:26):
church's influence, especiallyin media, declining.
And it's and it's like that thatis for lack of a better term,
that Israeli influence replacedthat Catholic influence, and no
longer did you have the um thewhat is it the League of
Decency, or what was that?
SPEAKER_05 (28:42):
Yeah, it's the it was the League of Decency where
there was a Catholic coalitionwho actually were able to
prevent nudity and debaucheryfrom getting into films and TV
and things like that.
And this was when like thechurch had this kind of leads
into what I'm so upset aboutwith this latest document as
well.
It's like we'll do it on theother side, but it it's yeah, so
(29:05):
yeah, they have this monopoly onpropaganda and narratives that
come forth, and that is startingto fracture and fall apart.
And they talked about how nowthat this conversation is kind
of just out in the wild, likeNick is no longer banned
everywhere.
Somebody's saying that Nickactually does talk about this
stuff on his show.
(29:25):
I don't watch Nick's showregularly, all I really do is
catch clips of him here.
Like I've known about Nick foruh for 10 years, but I I don't I
never watched his show.
I just kind of see whateverclips are let out there.
So I don't know how deep Nickdoes go into the theology of
this whole thing, but the uh theclips I see rarely talk about
that, and this is it's a veryimportant part of this story
(29:47):
because what what's happeningnow with them with them losing
control of the narrative is kindof like what happens in in 2016
when Trump gets elected.
Trump gets elected and the leftloses.
Loses their minds and they letthe mask slip and they just
start going crazy.
And then with the COVIDnarrative, everything they put
out with that, like it wasalmost like so blatant that it
(30:10):
opened people's eyes.
They were like, This is justinsane.
And that actually is going towind up happening with this
whole conversation soon becausethey are losing their grip on
the narrative.
And when you have a dogcornered, they kind of go crazy
and do whatever.
And that's kind of the positionIsrael's going to be put in
soon.
When they when I mean Gen Z isdone with this with this stuff.
(30:40):
When you go through the oldergenerations, like if you if you
talk to older guys, you likeI've tried to talk to my father
about this stuff.
My father just won't hear it.
He just he still thinks Israelis our greatest ally, and things
like that.
It's a very difficultconversation to have with people
who grew up watching things likeSophie's Choice and you know,
like whatever the whatever uhSchindler's List and you know
(31:03):
these movies.
I mean, every time you turnaround, there's another World
War II movie coming out, andthey're just it's you know, it's
it's it's something that is sodeeply entrenched into Jewish
identity that the story, the thestories themselves have such an
effect on Jewish people thatthey are terrified that anytime
(31:23):
anybody says anything aboutthem, they think another another
Holocaust is coming, you know.
It's like this is it's it's donelike crazy damage to the to the
psyche of the Jewish people aswell.
It's not just you know the theeffect it had on society at
large, it's it's a very very bigissue.
So um the last clip I I clippedwas about the actual Holocaust.
(31:48):
So um Nick uh Dave asks Nickwhat his views on the Holocaust
are, and I'm I'm surprised theywere able to talk about it on
YouTube, but they were, so we'llplay it.
SPEAKER_04 (32:01):
Okay.
Remember, not all channels aretreated equally by.
SPEAKER_05 (32:07):
That is true, but I think we'll be okay.
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
I don't think he says anything too bad here
conversation to have, but I amcurious.
For me, it was never reallyabout the Holocaust in itself
because early on I watched a lotof documentaries like the canon
of Holocaust denialdocumentaries and essays, and I
(32:29):
found a lot of the argumentscompelling.
And then I saw that other peopleare pushing back on that.
And I I have uh good friends ofmine who are like um, you know,
they're fellow travelers, let'ssay, and they adamantly insist
it did happen.
And they send me blog posts andthings.
And at a certain point, you sitdown and say, So is this really
(32:50):
about a World War II historicitydebate or historiographical
debate?
And to me, I'm sort of missingthe point.
To me, the Holocaust is justlike it is just a central part
of the Jewish identity story,which is that if the white
people get too much power,they're gonna kill us all.
(33:11):
If, and that means if we don'thave enough power, they're gonna
kill us all.
If they can critique us, they'regonna kill us all.
You know, it's it's wrapped up,and and this has been pointed
out before that more Jewishpeople think that the Holocaust
is central to their identitythan believe that believing in
God is central to theiridentity.
And that just tells you aboutwhat what Jewish identity really
is and how it's political.
(33:33):
And so to me, the what mattersmore, I don't know.
I think it was exaggerated, Ithink it was embellished.
I don't know that six millionexactly died.
Um, but I don't know.
I haven't, I'm not an expert,and I don't really even care
about being an expert.
To me, it's more about like yousaid, I don't want this trauma
imposed on me and for it todefine our political order
(33:55):
because that's really the issue.
SPEAKER_03 (33:56):
Well, that's so that part I think is 100% reasonable.
SPEAKER_05 (33:59):
Um Bobby's saying they'll ban us for copyright,
but I think that's only if Daveactually Dave would have to hit
us with a copyright.
SPEAKER_04 (34:06):
They're their sensors, their auto sensors
could detect that we're you knowplaying it for so long and and
and do that with, but we couldclaim fair use, and you know,
then yeah, Dave could say no,it's not fair use, and which one
he's a libertarian, yeah,supposedly would.
And two, like it really is fairuse, but YouTube's auto sensors
(34:30):
could ban us in areas.
SPEAKER_05 (34:31):
I don't think like they did, yeah, like they all
right.
So I think we're fine.
Um, yeah, I I mean it's kind ofhard to uh argue with what Nick
said there, right?
And I think that's kind of thepoint most people are at where
it's like, okay, um, I'm noteven going to argue the
historicity of the eventanymore.
I want to actually say, okay,like we can't allow this event
(34:56):
to dictate everything anymore.
And I think that's kind of theplace the younger generation,
excuse me.
I think that's the place theyounger generation is at at this
point where they're just like,okay, look, this this event
can't dictate everything, and ithas dictated everything.
Like, you cannot separate thesecond Vatican Council from that
(35:18):
event.
You can't you can't separateespecially the pontificates of
John Paul II and Benedict fromthat event.
That like Benedict was in theHitler youth, he was forced to
be in the Hitler youth.
John Paul II lived in Polandthroughout these events, like
these things had a very bigeffect on the church over the
past however however manydecades, right?
(35:39):
Now, the in conclusion, beforewe jump over to locals, here's
what I'm gonna say.
I I've I don't I'm glad thatthese two had this conversation
because there were there wasthis there was this friction
between the two of them, and Ithink both of them are important
to the conversation, even if Idon't care what your opinions
are of Nick, I don't care whatyour opinions are of Dave.
(36:00):
This conversation is important,and we couldn't have this
conversation even five yearsago.
Like the amount the culture haschanged over the past five
years, and Nick is a very bigpart of pushing that needle.
And I'll also say this Nick isnow 26, probably gonna be 27
soon.
He said some outlandish thingswhen he was younger.
(36:21):
He's still, you know, he has avery like gallows sense of humor
and things like that, but heseems to be maturing, he seems
to be, especially when he'shaving conversations with other
people.
Like I watch him on PBD and Iwash them on Dave.
He wasn't bombastic, he wasn'tcrazy, he sounds very reasoned.
I don't know what he does on hisown show.
I'm sure he likes he's stillbeing funny and making jokes and
(36:43):
stuff.
But when he is serious, he'stalking about very serious
things.
He has some very importantpolitical takes, and I'm glad
he's part of this conversationbecause he's pushing the needle
very much in culture.
He's like there's very fewpeople who have had as big of an
effect as he has, especiallyover the past two years, in my
opinion.
SPEAKER_04 (37:04):
Yeah, the more I the more I see of him, the more I
like him, I guess.
SPEAKER_05 (37:13):
Uh yeah, you've softened a lot on him, which is
interesting because most of thenot every group.
SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
There's some groipers I like and that follow
me and stuff.
But some of the group think andamong the groipers and the way
they all react and pile onpeople is it's it's too much.
But as far as from what I'veseen from Nick himself, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (37:40):
And and especially look, I've seen like especially
lately, the things I've beenseeing from him is he's very
much careful in how like how wehandle this conversation is
important, right?
Like, this cannot lead to anykind of animosity or hatred
towards any group of people,like, especially us as
(38:00):
Christians.
Like, our job is to actuallylove our enemies even to the
point of martyrdom.
I put out a tweet today sayingthat I would kiss the hands of
my executioner, I would kiss thefeet of the Pope who's punishing
me as a traditionalist.
Like, I will love those who hateme.
Like, that is actually what wehave to do as Christians.
(38:21):
Like, we we have to love them tothe point of martyrdom, love
them to the point where we willlay down our lives, like St.
Maximilian Colby.
Like, that is actually the wayto go about this.
This doesn't you shouldn't beriling up any kind of hatred or
animosity to anybody, and fromour perspective, this
conversation needs to be hadspecifically because the
antichrist will be the JewishMessiah, and and Catholics need
(38:45):
to be aware of that because asthis as you see the heritage
will also be the ProtestantMessiah, too, probably.
That's the point, right?
So, as you that I was just aboutto say that, so like you're
seeing this Christian Zionismappear, and you're seeing these
fanatics of Protestantism wherethey're going crazy for for for
Israel and their support forIsrael, and they will even use
(39:08):
the Bible and misquote it, takeit out of context to make it
appear as if he who loves Israelloves me and things like
whatever the weird ways you knowthey they misquote Genesis.
He was instrumental in myconversion because it struck me
that he was that he has thecourage to talk about topics no
one else did.
Like, that's one thing you gottagive this kid, man.
He is.
(39:29):
I mean, for all the times I'vebacked down from a subject
because I was afraid of thepushback I would get.
This kid says whatever, and partof that is because they banned
him from everything from sayinglittle things, you know.
So uh Eric McCabe's video lastnight, I watched it this
morning.
I think Eric McCabe is crashingout.
I think he's I mean, he came onand tried to have a conversation
(39:51):
with us, and now he blocked meon Twitter.
I mean, blocked you on Twitter,yeah.
He blocked me on Twitter.
There's something going on withhim where like there's this
unhealthy obsession of Catholicconverts to be liked by
Protestants still.
It's like this deep shame withsome of these guys that they
converted, and they just wantthe Protestants to still like
them and let them know thatwe're the nice Catholics, we're
(40:13):
not like anybody else, to thepoint where they'll denigrate
their fellow brother Catholic atthe ex like at the at your
brother Catholic's expense toingratiate yourself to the
Protestant.
It's disgusting, it's reallydisgusting, and I don't I don't
I'm not I'm not a fan of of itwhatsoever.
Um but I getting back to thereason this conversation is
(40:38):
important is becausescripturally speaking, I mean
you're talking about you go backand read Ezekiel, and Jerusalem
is the faithless city, theharlot.
Like that is the description ofJerusalem.
SPEAKER_04 (40:57):
Every church father saw saw not necessarily the
modern state of Israel, but theJews as the whore of Babylon, as
Babylon.
SPEAKER_05 (41:08):
As the unfaithful ones, because God always
ascribed idol worship, He hedescribed it as if it was
faithlessness in a marriage.
So when they say that God neverrevokes his covenants, yeah,
okay, fine, but he also doesn'trevoke the curses that come with
that covenant when you break it.
And that's kind of the situationthat that has been going on.
There actually is one more clipI want to play of Barry Weiss
(41:31):
when she was on Joe Rogan.
SPEAKER_04 (41:33):
I did not know till this week that Barry Weiss was a
female, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (41:37):
Uh uh lesbian, a lesbian female.
She runs the free press.
She has a she has a podcastcalled Honestly.
It's kind of hilarious.
She's on a podcast calledHonestly.
She's married to a woman, yeah.
Honestly.
It's kind of hilarious.
But so yeah, she she she getsinto um explaining how
(42:01):
replacement theory is a myth.
And listen to what she sayshere.
SPEAKER_04 (42:06):
Like replacement theory as in like the racial
one, or as in like uhsupersessionism.
SPEAKER_05 (42:13):
No, no, no.
Like, watch, just listen to whatshe says.
We'll we'll criticize it after.
SPEAKER_00 (42:17):
When I heard Jew, like the Jews will not replace
us, right?
I heard it in like the plainmeaning of that phrase.
Like, the Jew is not gonna takemy job.
The Jew is not gonna like takemy job in the corner office or
whatever.
Um, but in fact, it was like areflection of this replacement
theory ideology, which is thatbrown people and black people
(42:39):
and Muslims and immigrants arecoming to replace our white
civilization.
And the the Jew's job isbasically to pass as a white
person, but in fact, do thebidding of these people that we
deem to be not pure.
Where does that come from?
That is a deeply, deeply ancientanti-Semitic conspiracy theory,
(43:02):
right?
It's the idea of let's go backto the new the New Testament,
let's go back to to Jesus,right?
What happens in that story?
The story there is that the Jewsgo to Pontius Pilate and say,
you know, like this person'sunacceptable to us.
And in the mythology of thatstory, the Jews get what was
(43:26):
then the most powerful empire inthe world, the Roman Empire, to
do their bidding.
And you have this line in thebook of Matthew that is so, so I
mean, the the bloodiness of thisline cannot be quantified, where
he says, you know, his blood beon us and on our children, which
goes, you know, down through thecenturies to justify the killing
(43:47):
of Jews, of, you know, untoldnumbers of people.
The idea of the Jew as sort oflike the wily manipulator, as
the Jew as having proximity topower, not being in power, but
being able to sort of be thepuppet master, pulling the
levers of power.
You see that play out in lots ofdifferent iterations.
SPEAKER_05 (44:10):
But I mean, I'm not saying it.
She's kind of saying it.
SPEAKER_04 (44:14):
Like uh the the Marxist language there, the the
mythology that's being told, uhthe story.
SPEAKER_05 (44:26):
I have I have to say something though, because this
is an important point wherePilot had an APAC
representative.
So there's an important pointhere where when you get into
this conversation, you you yousee that Israel is the only one
allowed to have an ethnostate,right?
Like they're allowed to have anethnostate, we're not allowed to
(44:48):
have one, and part of that isbecause when when Germany had an
ethno state, they came togetherand they saw the damage, and
they were like, We're doingsomething about this.
Now, that is their biggest fearis that if you have an ethno
state, something like that willhappen.
So that's the that's themotivation behind these open
(45:09):
border societies that GeorgeSoros is pushing pushing.
Like, that's the motivationbehind an open society where
it's just a borderless world,and you it's so that your
culture is dead is degraded somuch that you don't get together
and say, wait a minute, thesethings are bad, we have to put a
stop to them.
That is the motivation, andshe's telling you straight out,
(45:30):
like I'm she's saying it's amyth, but I mean I mean, if this
show doesn't get struck, I don'tknow.
Yes, absolutely correct.
All of the all of the NewTestament in the early church is
Jewish.
I mean, it's it's not the whathappens in the early church is a
schism.
It's a schism.
(45:50):
Those who went out from us, theyclaim they were part of us, but
they never were of us.
This is a schism.
So it's like the the the peopleof God continue through the new
covenant comes, the people ofGod continue, they're the same
people.
There's a schism.
There's those who break awaybecause they don't want the new
covenant.
They don't want to share the newcovenant with the Gentiles, is
(46:12):
what it is.
Yeah, they're they in their mindthe idea of sharing the covenant
promises with the Gentiles ishorrifying.
Absolutely not.
They will control everything andwe will be subordinate to them.
Now that idea exists still, itit continues on, and it's you
(46:33):
know, I mean, look, uh it's ait's a hard topic to discuss on
YouTube, but if you want tofinish out what she says, I
don't know, but is it worthfinishing out?
I mean, she goes through andexplains it gonna make is it
gonna make me more mad?
SPEAKER_04 (46:47):
Maybe, but people should hear it.
SPEAKER_00 (46:51):
Time, right?
You see it.
Um I'm trying to think aboutuseful examples for your
listeners, but but that is sortof the trope, right?
And it is uh an ancient one, butit's being utilized in really
new ways.
Um, so it's not literally thatthe Jew is going to replace us,
that is that the Jew who the Jewin a way is sort of like the
(47:16):
greatest trick the devil hasever played.
And this is the language of EricWard, who wrote this amazing
essay called Skin in the Game.
And he talks, he's an he's ablack anti-racist activist.
And he talks about figuring outhow anti-Semitism is kind of the
linchpin of white supremacy,because the Jew appears to be
white, but in fact, he's notwhite.
(47:36):
I mean, this is all based onthis lie that race is not a
social, that race is not aconstruct, right?
It's which it is.
Um, but they're saying that theJew is not white, but he appears
to be white, but in fact, he'sloyal to these people who are
coming to sully America.
And so when you have someonelike Congressman Steve King
saying we can't replace ourcivilization with someone else's
babies, like what does thatmean?
(47:58):
What is that idea?
It is so deeply anti-Americanbecause the idea of America,
right, is the idea thatAmericann-ness is not about
bloodline.
Americanness is about a sharedset of values and ideas and
fealty to those ideas.
So that's someone else's show.
SPEAKER_05 (48:18):
What is an American?
Like, what is what does it meanto be an American?
And look, the idea of like massmigration also is so that, you
know, and even the integrationof schools and things like that
was so that your daughter comeshome with a guy that doesn't
look like you.
Like it's just it's just what'sgoing to happen, you know,
naturally.
(48:39):
And it's, you know, it that thatis the idea behind it.
It's so that you don't have atight knit cultural community
because then you care about yourculture.
And when you care about yourculture and you don't want it to
be destroyed, you you fight forit.
But if you don't have a cultureto fight for, it's easy to
divide and conquer a people.
SPEAKER_04 (48:59):
The the the whole idea of a melting pot is um it's
so subversive in in that itmakes you think that that
everyone melts together and youall become one.
But really, what it does is itit it separates you from your
history, from your people, fromyour culture, from your
religion.
(49:19):
And it it it makes you thisindividualized little um atom
separate from everyone andeverything else, and it does
that to everyone all at once,and it it keeps people away from
each other, it keeps people fromlook reaching out to to help
someone out, you know, someoneelse like this.
SPEAKER_05 (49:37):
Listen, if you I've told you I watched that
documentary about the like thecreation of New York, it was
like over a couple of like acouple of centuries.
It goes from like the 1600s touh the Trade Center coming down,
and when Robert Moses comes inand he builds the highway system
when the automobile is invented,he builds the highway system, he
just breaks up these beautifulCatholic communities throughout
(49:58):
New York City.
It's like you have thesebeautiful uh Italian Catholic
communities, these IrishCatholic communities, they're
all these tight-knit communitieswhere your cousins and your
aunts and uncles are all livingtogether.
You all gather around the parishcommunity, like the community
parish where the priest isinvolved in your lives and
everybody knows everybody, andthen they build a highway right
(50:21):
through those beautifulcommunities.
They stick all the black peopleup in these tenement buildings,
and everybody scatters out tothe suburbs.
And the suburbs is like man,it's like the decimation of
community.
SPEAKER_04 (50:32):
You'll you live they're designed to where you
can't even walk from place toplace, right?
SPEAKER_05 (50:37):
You don't know your neighbor, you have no
interaction with anybody, it'sjust the total disintegration of
culture.
I'm telling you, the this nowlook, I don't know how much of
this is orchestrated from thetop and stuff, but it's just
kind of what has happened.
Um, yeah, that's so right.
So race is just a socialcontract, except for them.
Except for them, for them, it'sa very real thing, you know, and
(50:58):
it's like they're they're theonly ones who actually allowed
to have this racial ethnicidentity, and we're not.
And it's look, it's a it's ait's it this issue is going to
be very prominent, and I'm gladfor the guys who have pushed the
needle and made the sacrificeand gotten themselves canceled
over it.
(51:18):
I'm grateful to them becausethey paved the way for guys like
us to even have thisconversation.
So Nick, Dave, thank you both.
I think what you're doing isimportant, and I hope I hope the
conversations continue.
I'm I'm much I'd much rather youguys be speaking and having
conversations and you guys be atwar with each other.
I think uh I think a lot of thisstuff is is stuff that needs to
(51:41):
be talked about.
So we're gonna head over tolocals now.
Um, if you guys aren'tsubscribed, I have quite a rant
tonight.
I I I want to talk, um, I'm Iwant to talk about what Nick had
to say about the immigrationthing and it's gonna lead into
what this latest and this latestum exhortation was.
Because the things that I'mseeing in my life compared to
(52:04):
what the what what the hierarchyis talking about are just
they're just light years away.
Light years, complete lightyears away, because I work
around poor people more than anyof the people, all the people
praising this document.
I promise you, I'm around poorpeople way more than you guys.
All the people that are praisinghis outreach to the immigrant, I
work with immigrants.
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So like I I know what it's liketo actually deal with this stuff
in person, and that's not what Ineed help with because I am
compassionate to the poorperson.
I do have I do have compassionfor the immigrant who comes.
Like, I've actually made my mymy work friends who barely speak
English come to my children'sgraduation parties and things
(52:46):
like that.
That is not like that.
Is your call as a Christian, isespecially like to to have to
have like a brotherhood withyour fellow Catholics, like the
the the our our our because thereal globalism is the Catholic
Church, like that's actually theproper way to do it, where we
have the same cult, we worshipat the same altar, so that does
(53:08):
bring down the dividing wall ofhostility.
But what we're talking about inthis document is very
frustrating because I'll do therant over there, we'll do it
over there.
So if you guys want to hear it,I have a lot to say.
SPEAKER_04 (53:19):
The link is pinned in locals or not locals in the
live chat.
Um, for everyone watching onYouTube, this it's not gonna be
really any different than whatit normally is.
Me and Anthony will just have toleave this stream and go into
the other one I created.
Um, but if you go over to localsand we're not there, we will be
there momentarily.
SPEAKER_05 (53:39):
So yeah, we're gonna have to end this stream and then
we'll jump over there.
So just sit tight and wait forus and we'll start the show over
when we get over to locals.
Um, and and we'll talk to youguys over there.
Uh, thank you guys for watching.
We'll see you next time.
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I never got it to work.
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Did you try?
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I tried one more time like an hour later.
So there's no local showtonight.
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Um, yeah, I have uh I have someranting to do over on locals
tonight.
Man, uh it's gonna start offearly here.
(01:34):
Well, the thing is, Rob and Ilike uh okay, so the show topic
tonight.
I wanted to do this on locals,and I wanted to do the document
on here, and Rob was like, nah,like let's just let's switch it
up.
So we we're putting like thiswas going to be locals because
it's such a hard topic todiscuss on here.
SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
But I mean they just were they on YouTube?
They were on YouTube, right?
Yeah, they were it's such awe'll be fine.
I think we'll be fine.
Israel instead of Jews.
YouTube doesn't care aboutIsrael, right?
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_05 (02:11):
Um, yeah, so I do have some thoughts on this on
the document, and a lot of it isfrustration and anger, so we'll
get into that uh on the otherside, especially because not
even whatever the document iswhatever, but it's more people's
reaction to some of the things Isaid today.
And um, like I I hadn't had achance to read them today while
(02:33):
I was at work, and I came home.
And one of the things I put outwas um, I said, I'm so I'm
supposed to believe thehierarchy cares about the poor
when they robbed us of thegreatest treasure on earth.
And the amount of just normiesin my comments, like downplaying
that, like you weren't robbed ofanything, they didn't take the
Eucharist away, and I'm justlike furious.
(02:54):
Like, no, you don't care aboutthe treasure that was robbed,
but that doesn't mean youweren't robbed of a treasure,
like like you don't realize howhow how impoverished you are
because of what they did to you.
I have whatever, we'll do thatover there.
I just I just have a lot ofthoughts about it.
(03:15):
Um because whatever, we'll do itover there.
Because I'm like, I'm gonnarant.
If I start, I won't stop.
So all right, so I did watch theentire uh Nick and Dave
conversation, and there's acouple of things I took from it.
Um, one is just how much theability to have this
(03:36):
conversation on social media haschanged, and a big part of that
is because of both Nick andDave.
And Nick and Dave had had likethis weird kind of beef going on
between them, and uh Nick waskind of like acting like Dave
was uh a plant and that he waslike uh controlled opposition,
(04:01):
like they were allowing Dave'sopinions out there, but they
were keeping uh Nick out of theconversation.
Now that could be true, I don'tknow, but I I've been watching
Dave Smith for if he's not aplant, I know someone who is.
SPEAKER_04 (04:15):
Um I don't get that.
SPEAKER_05 (04:18):
Candace.
Oh, can't oh they they dodiscuss her too.
I'm sure they do.
Yeah, they discuss her too.
Like, and Rob and I have talkedabout Candace, where it's like
the reason they probably letsome of her stuff exist is
because she says such outlandishstuff that people could just
write her off as crazy.
SPEAKER_04 (04:36):
It it discredits the whole movement, but discredits
that whole side of the rightwing.
SPEAKER_05 (04:43):
It discredits any criticism of Israel, is what it
does.
Like it's so, but we also hadEric Salmons on the show, and
Eric Salmons ascribes very muchto the Dave Smith school of
thought, which is a very umlibertarian view where it's
like, okay, we can criticizeIsrael, the state, um, because
(05:05):
our you know, we don't want togo into any more foreign wars
and we don't want money going toIsrael.
Now that's like a verylegitimate criticism, but to me,
it doesn't it doesn't touch someof the major issues.
Now, Nick comes at it from avery identitarian point of view,
where Nick is talking about howuh Jewish identity is very much
(05:25):
a part of this conversation,yeah.
Where you and I have alwaystaken this from more of a
theological perspective, and Ikind of see Dave Smith as like a
stepping stone to like first,like even because of the amount
of propaganda we've receivedaround this issue to just at
least get to the point where yougo, wait a minute, this is kind
of crazy.
Why are why is every singlepolitician we have um being from
(05:50):
either side of the aisle?
From either side of the aisle,why do they have an APAC person,
which is basically a politicallobby, donating to to their you
know, their their uh politicalaction committees and basically
getting people elected, andthese people have to then answer
to them.
So basically, either side of theaisle is always kind of doing
something that serves thegreater Zionist cause, yeah.
(06:13):
So that's like the first breakin the in people's thinking
where they're like, Yeah, thatis kind of weird, you know.
If we're supposed to be Americafirst, how come we're always
worried about you know Israel'sbest interest before our own?
Um, what Nick talks about ismore about identity politics,
where you know, if if you'reblack, you are going to have
(06:36):
in-group thinking where ifyou're black, you're going to
look at what's best for theblack community.
If you're Spanish, you're gonnalook out for what's best for the
Spanish community.
If you're Jewish, you're goingto look out for what's best for
the Jewish community.
Now, uh, Jewish people are in aunique situation where they have
dual citizenship with Israel andwhatever country they're in,
because no matter where in theworld you're born, if you have
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Jewish descent, they offer youJewish citizenship.
And they do that especially withpeople who are in positions of
power because they want theywant them to have Israel's best
interest at heart.
So you'll have like uh a lot ofsenators and you know, people
people in positions of highauthority that have dual
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citizenship, so they're kind ofalways working for the greater
betterment of Israel, even withtheir loyalties there over that
of their country of origin attimes.
Like some these could be peoplewho were born in America or born
somewhere in Europe.
SPEAKER_04 (07:32):
The uh congressman who likes to wear his IDF
uniform to Congress, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (07:36):
It's like it's kind of like just bizarre stuff.
And I think both of them arecorrect in their assessments,
but I don't really hear anybodycover the theological issue of
it, which is where we startgetting into talking with Father
Maudsley and stuff like that,you know.
So it would it would beinteresting to sit down and have
(07:56):
a conversation with Nick andFather Maudsley, where I don't
know if we could ever make thathappen.
We do have a conversation withFather Maudsley lined up.
I also well no, he he he's okaywith Nick.
SPEAKER_04 (08:08):
So the question is would Nick be would Nick be okay
with it?
SPEAKER_05 (08:11):
Yeah, that's a good question.
SPEAKER_04 (08:12):
So I have a feeling we'd have a better chance
getting him on with FatherMaudsley than just on with us.
That's possible, I think.
That's possible.
Yeah, my wife, my wife's localsisn't working.
Imagine that.
Good job, hope.
SPEAKER_05 (08:28):
Um, I also was just asked by Damian Thompson from
The Spectator.
Uh, he invited me on to hispodcast.
SPEAKER_04 (08:37):
Really?
SPEAKER_05 (08:37):
Yeah, today he like just an hour ago.
Uh, and he said, Uh, I reallylike the way you present
Avoiding Babylon, but boy,there's some scary views.
Maybe you'd be interested incoming on my podcast sometime to
explain the Tradbro phenomenon.
The Tradbro phenomenon, yeah.
What views are what views doeshe think is scary?
Um I would think my views onthis issue, on this issue.
(09:03):
I think I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know he was very upset withCatholic Unscripted when they
spoke with Father Maudsley.
So I mean it's possible.
I don't, I'm not 100%.
Now, what's interesting is thisconversation, like when you when
you get into like the rememberthe trad inc conversation that
was happening last week wherethey're talking like you had the
the the the Uber Tradscriticizing trad ink.
(09:26):
I don't really hear this topiccome up with those guys very
often.
So I'm interested to know whattheir position is on this whole
thing, but what with with whatguys with with just the whole uh
the the Israel conversation,what their position is on do
they think there's beeninfluence in the church from
after World War II and thingslike that?
Like, like if you get intospeaking with Father Maudsley,
(09:49):
Father Maudsley straight up willtell you, do you question why
the church no longer acts likethe church?
Like, are do you wonder what itis that the church was so clear
on things before the council,what happened?
His position is that after WorldWar II, the narrative that comes
forth from that influenced thechurch so much that the church
(10:12):
starts changing her teaching,starts changing her liturgy,
starts changing everything aboutit.
And he thinks there is no way toseparate that from what happened
in the church, those two thingsare just totally linked
together.
So, which is another reason I'dbe interested in speaking with
Nick and Father Mosley at thesame time because Nick seems to
(10:33):
see all of the infiltration intosociety from uh Jewish people,
but he or or Israel or howeveryou want to put it, but he
doesn't see the connection inthe church.
So I'd I'd be interested inthat.
Now I did post a clip of Nick umcriticizing Pope Leo, which is
funny because the Groyfers arealways so against criticizing
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them.
SPEAKER_04 (10:56):
There is one thing they're willing to criticize
them on, and we called this lastweek.
SPEAKER_05 (11:01):
We did we called this last week when Pope Leo
made his comments about theseamless garment.
He didn't call it the seamlessgarment, but Pope Leo made
comments saying that are youreally pro-life if you're
against abortion, but you're forcapital punishment.
And the Grupers all got oneverybody who criticized that
(11:21):
comment, saying we were alogging the Pope, and you know,
we were, you know, there werethere were a lot of things said,
and then today I saw Nick hadsomething to say about the
Pope's comments on immigration.
You want to play that clip realquick?
I put it in the chat.
SPEAKER_04 (11:34):
Sure.
SPEAKER_05 (11:34):
So this is this go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (11:36):
I was gonna say for everyone asking, yes, we know
locals isn't working right now.
I did just set up another streamthat we will switch to on locals
when it's time.
So yeah, you can't watch thispart on locals, but when we tell
you to go to locals, it will bethere and we'll switch over to
that.
So yeah, and then I'll have todo an awesome job of trying to
(11:58):
splice the two tomorrow morning.
SPEAKER_05 (12:01):
But I have I have I have a lot to say over on locals
tonight, so we will do a localstream.
Um, all right, let's play theclip of Nick.
Uh it's it says Nick Fuentaslams Pope Leo for speaking out
on Trump's deportation policy.
Christopher Hale's tweet.
And I see Grover found a wayback in, huh?
We'll see if we'll see if he canhold out before before.
SPEAKER_04 (12:21):
I'm willing to ban him just to make him create
another YouTube.
SPEAKER_05 (12:24):
No, no, no.
Leave him in.
Um all right, so let's let's seewhat Nick has to say.
SPEAKER_04 (12:34):
Here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (12:37):
Why is it that the Pope is always undermining US
immigration policy?
Because now I see Catholicpriests in Chicago and they're
doing like protests against thedeportations, and they're doing
that because they're emboldenedby the Pope.
SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
Same thing.
SPEAKER_01 (12:53):
The Pope sets the tone, and now you have
ecclesiastical authority, youknow, the clergy in America that
are that are protesting thispolitical decision.
And it's like, you know, you arethe vicar of Christ on earth for
a heavenly kingdom.
I don't know where Jesus gaveyou the authority to tell us who
we can and can't let in ourcountry.
(13:15):
You know, these people are hereillegally, they're fucking gang
members.
SPEAKER_05 (13:19):
Oh, uh guys.
These buildings.
I tried to I try my best to editthe curses.
You know what?
There's going to be curses inthis stream, guys.
We're playing clips of Nick andDave.
So if you guys have little kidsaround, you might you might uh
it might be too late.
Yeah, sorry about that.
(13:39):
Um, and that might be better forthe local show anyway, because
that actually goes with thatconversation because it seems
like what he ends up sayingthere is like it just gets kind
of demoralizing having the Popealways talk about this stuff.
So we'll we'll do that on theother side.
Yeah, there's gonna be viewerdiscretion in this episode.
Um, okay, let's let's jump intothe first clip of uh uh Dave and
(14:01):
Nick, and they discuss MattWalsh, Tim Pool, and um I mean I
think you could throw Knolls inthis sub in the in this in this
category, and just certainpeople deciding not to have the
conversation around this issue.
SPEAKER_03 (14:18):
Anything personally against, but like Matt Walsh,
Tim Pool, Tim's been very goodto me.
I consider him a friend.
No, like not, but they've allkind of taken this line of like,
I don't care.
Right, I don't care what's goingon with Israel.
Like, why are you guys soobsessed?
You know, why are you so uh andthere's something so
particularly enraging about it?
(14:38):
And I think part of it isbecause I really genuinely
believe like guys like me andyou are like, we'd love to not
talk about this, right?
That's kind of our wholeargument.
Yes, our whole argument is thatthis shouldn't be a thing we
even have to talk about.
But saying, why are you obsessedwith it?
It's like it's like in 2006, I'msitting here and I go, Look, I'm
a non-interventionist, but whyis everyone talking about Iraq?
(14:58):
Like, why do you have to well,because that's where we're
intervening.
So, like, how can you sit hereand be like, I'm a
non-interventionist?
Like, you like you're taking thecorrect policy position from my
perspective.
So I at least give you creditfor that.
But the thing is, we areintervening.
We are we are currently beinginterventionists, and also like
if if your whole thing is like,I don't I want to focus on
(15:19):
America, I don't want to gofight other wars.
Well, who's pulling us intowars?
Right, it ain't Lebanon, youknow what I mean?
Like, so like what how do youhow it just seems like cowardice
to me?
Like, how do you get and it doesseem like that that message is
resonating with like somepeople, as I just think it's
profoundly unfair.
Like, the whole thing, the wholepoint of all of this is that it
(15:39):
is an American destruction ofGaza.
This isn't Israel doing it.
Netanyahu goes around and bragsabout what Israel can do.
Israel can't do shit.
Israel can only do thingsbecause they have the full
backing of the United States ofAmerica.
So, like, sorry if you're in theworld of talking about these
things, you don't get to pass onthis one.
Like, you got to have anopinion.
SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
Yeah, I I saw that too, and it's become very
popular over the past year and ahalf.
I see a lot of the young men,they watch Matt Walsh, they
watch uh the this other stuff,and they say, Well, yeah, I just
don't really care about Israelthat much.
I care about America.
And I saw Matt Walsh say that onTucker.
He said, and you can tell thatit it is like a rhetorical
innovation because let's behonest, this is an issue that
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people like Matt Walsh don'twant to talk about because he
works for Ben Shapiro and heknows, like Candace Owens, if
you drift too far in thatsubject, you lose your job.
And he likes having a job.
So, so you get it.
Now, this is an extremelycontentious issue, also, and
it's very topical.
It's in the news, and he knowsthe question's coming.
Are you pro-Israel?
Are you anti-Israel?
(16:42):
There's people who feel verystrongly about it.
And you could tell this is likea rhetorical device.
It's a cop-out where you cansay, I'm not pro-Israel, but I'm
not anti-Israel.
I just don't care.
And I that really pissed me offbecause it seems like you're
feigning ignorance.
You're either intent, you'reeither lying or you're really
(17:03):
ignorant.
And the reason why is because,be that as it may, that you
don't care about Israel, wehappen to be supporting their
war.
And it's actually hurting us.
And there's other things too.
SPEAKER_05 (17:14):
Obviously, it's a big subject.
There's a the reason I pickedthis clip is because we as
Catholics give Walsh and Knowlesa pass because they're Catholic.
Like these guys are in thepolitical conversation, and we
give them a pass because they'reCatholic.
SPEAKER_04 (17:37):
Um, I was wondering this too.
Are denim ja jackets cool again?
SPEAKER_05 (17:41):
Oh, Milo's been giving him hell for that denim
jacket.
Because if so, own Benjamin, ownBenjamin, coolest kid in the
world.
Um, the like we give Walsh andKnowles a pass on this, and that
is a cop-out where it's like,well, I'm America first, and I
don't think we should be givingany country aid.
I just don't care about theIsrael subject.
People have Israel derangement,like Tim Poole's been saying,
(18:02):
people have Israel derangementsyndrome, things like that.
It's like, no, this is this iskind of one where if you're if
you're in this conversation, youyou can't just you can't just
go, well, I don't want to pick aside.
Let the like let them kill eachother, you'll heal think, heal
things like that.
There's no good guys, let themkill each other.
It's like, I don't know, man,like we're funding the
(18:25):
destruction and genocide of apeople.
Like we really are, and I don'tknow how you cannot take a moral
position on that.
Yeah, it seems like too too bigof a uh uh too big of a a
scenario, like too big of asituation happening and too much
influence in our country, andwhich way our foreign policy
goes to just go, yeah, no, Idon't really have an opinion on
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this one.
SPEAKER_04 (18:50):
Yeah, I don't think it's something we as Americans
get to have no opinion on whenwhen like they point out, like
we are so in in you know so tiedwith with it and have been since
you know the 50s basically.
Um as a state, they wouldn'texist if it wasn't for uh
American support, Americanweapons, American money, you
(19:13):
know, American intelligence, allof this.
Um you know, when they couldn'tuh take out Iran's um nuclear
enrichment program, who had tostep in?
SPEAKER_05 (19:24):
Yeah, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04 (19:25):
I mean they didn't have they didn't they don't they
didn't have the stealth planesand the you know the uh uh the
the mops the massive ordnancepenetrators to to literally dive
a mile underground under amountain and and blow it up.
They couldn't do that, they hadto rely on us.
SPEAKER_05 (19:42):
Yeah, it just seems like um look, I think I think
I'm probably guilty of it too.
Like there are some topics thatare just so radioactive, you're
kind of just like I don't reallywant to touch them.
I said I find myself doing itwith Pope Leo, right?
Like, I don't I almost don'twant to get caught up in in the
fray of this argument, and thenand then I worry, like uh, like
(20:03):
I don't I don't I don't want tobe a Catholic criticizing these
things, but the fact is, like ata certain point it could become
cowardice when you see certainthings happening and you just
don't say anything about it, andyou just so much of it is
mimetic desire, you're afraidyou're gonna get criticized too
much.
In in Walsh and Knowles's case,it is very much they are because
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I do think they have strongopinions on this, they don't
want to lose the comfort oftheir job.
SPEAKER_04 (20:31):
I I think that's probably a good portion of it.
SPEAKER_05 (20:34):
Yeah, there's no chance Matt Walsh does not have
strong opinions on this, but heworks for the Daily Wire, and we
know what those opinions arebecause if they were the
opposite opinions, he would besaying them, right?
SPEAKER_04 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (20:46):
So we know what his silence is his silence actually
is him like silence isdeafening, yeah.
It's very deafening, and it'slike you can't just uh uh like I
don't know, man.
I think I think we're getting tothe point, and I get it.
SPEAKER_04 (21:03):
I you know, uh, I wouldn't want to lose my job
over it either.
Yeah, yeah, I get it, but butwhen when your job is commentary
and you refuse to comment aboutsuch an important topic, then
there is a problem there, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (21:18):
And I I the reason I've chosen to talk about this
subject as often as we have isbecause I think this is going to
be the biggest issue in thechurch going forward.
I do.
I don't think the I don't thinkthe conversation is going to be
about Novus Ordo and and theLatin mass.
Like I don't, I think this thiswhole situation is going to come
(21:40):
to a head eventually, and we'regoing to have to figure out
which side we're on.
And yeah, Bree Dale does defendeverything, but she's also
working for the Daily Wire.
It's like like this is this isnot a light subject.
Like we've it's and especiallyif you don't know, um, if you
don't know where to like whereto go on it.
(22:04):
So all right, so the next clipis uh the libertarian approach
versus the identitarianapproach.
We'll go through that one.
It's a little shorter this clip.
SPEAKER_04 (22:17):
Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_01 (22:20):
Also more extreme.
Now, same is true of likeTucker, all the Tim Poole people
have been trying to get me onhis book.
No, I've not seen it.
Yeah, right.
And so, and why am I not allowedon?
Of course, it's it's my viewthat I was canceled for this
issue.
And so to see you go onto theshow, it, you know, and people
say it's jealousy, maybe there'sa little resentment there too,
(22:41):
but it was a bigger concern thatas a Jewish person, and also by
the way, not just that you'reJewish, but as a libertarian,
you come at it from a differentplace.
You're a non-interventionist, aRon Paul guy.
And I even have thisdisagreement with Tucker on some
level, too.
So it's not just you.
My big worry is that is theconversation going to stop at we
(23:02):
need to end all these wars andlike the neocons are the
problem.
Because my critique goesfurther, and it says that it
actually does have to do withJewish identity.
Jewish identity is so powerfuland so potent.
Jews refuse to assimilate.
They're so powerful, they're sotribalistic, they're loyal to
each other.
Not all of them, but a lot ofthem.
(23:22):
And that is actually where theIsrael loyalty proceeds from.
It's this anxiety.
We need Israel because whathappens if it goes south here?
We need to be powerful inAmerica to prevent a majority
from rising up against us.
And it's kind of that identityissue, which, and you know, I
that's why I'm open to talkingto you or even somebody like uh
(23:44):
a Bill Ackman or a Sean McGuireor a Shapiro and say, I
recognize Jews are a part ofAmerica.
They've always had they alwayshave been, and they're some of
the finest Americans, actually.
But people recognize it cannotgo on this way where we have an
open society, but they have thisloyalty and kind of play by a
different set of rules.
And anyway, so my concern isthat what it looked like to me
(24:06):
is you're being brought onto theshows, and they know maybe that
you'll never go that far as aJewish person, or maybe even as
a libertarian.
And a big red line was beingdrawn and saying, but you are
still an anti-Semite, you arestill banned on YouTube, you are
banned on the shows.
Fuck you, you're all the wayover here, and that's why I like
(24:27):
you and I respect you, and Ithink you're with that with more
preparation.
SPEAKER_04 (24:31):
We would have given these to Taffy to bleep out.
SPEAKER_05 (24:34):
Yeah, it's not even that like I'm trying to like I'm
doing things while I'm screenrecording these things, and I'm
not even paying attention.
Maybe I'm just so desensitized Idon't even hear the F-word
anymore.
Um, but but to his point, thiswas the conversation we had with
Salmons.
Salmons is willing to criticizefunding Israel.
(24:55):
Uh, he's willing to criticizethe stance on foreign wars, but
he's not um no, I did I I'mtelling you, I got a lot going
on, guys.
I still do have a job during theday, so um uh uh salmons was
willing to criticize like ourour funding to them and and
foreign wars and stuff, but he'snot willing to look at is it
(25:18):
something more than that?
And then Nick brings it to theidentity conversation and says,
No, no, no, it's because theystick together and they have
loyalty, but I think it goeseven further, and it's because
there is this enmity betweenChristians and and Jews from the
time of the Old Testament, well,like from the time of Christ,
right?
And it goes back to the all ofthe stories in the old testament
(25:42):
leading to this.
Now you guys who watch the showregularly, you're gonna hear me
repeat things you've heard mesay a hundred times, but imagine
what it's like for me guys.
Yeah, in case anybody's new iswatching the show, anybody that
is, you know, maybe a groper orsomebody from Dave's audience is
watching this, like theconversation goes even further
because this storyline of enmitybetween the elder brother and
(26:04):
the younger brother, it goesback to the old testament.
It's it starts with Cain andAbel, and it goes through Jacob
and Esau, and it's even inChrist's parables, and Christ's
parables almost all of them havethese, they they usually have
four meanings, but almost all ofthem have to do with the the the
covenant, like the the thepeople of Israel, you know,
(26:28):
Christ coming, God sends his sonand they kill him, and then and
then the other wedding guestsare invited, or the prodigal
son, the the prodigal son windsup, he gets the he gets the
inheritance, and the olderbrother is angry that the father
throws the party for him, eventhough he squandered his
inheritance.
All of those stories have to dowith this enmity between Jews
(26:49):
and Christians, and um it endsup uh to the to the point where
there's even this reconciliationat the end of time, which is
prefigured in all those storiesas well, especially the story of
Joseph and his brothers.
His brothers, uh there's 12 ofthem, they sell him into
slavery, and then he winds upbecoming like the prince of
(27:11):
Egypt, and he then reconcileswith his brothers after there's
a famine in in the land.
It's like this is the story ofChristianity, and that's how
it's going to play out.
But that enmity is going to staythere between Jews and
Christians, and it it's playingout before our eyes right now in
(27:31):
such a way that in the in thelast clip.
Oh no, I didn't even put thisclip in.
They there was a section in theshow where they talked about how
things are getting so out ofhand because they no longer have
control over the media narrativelike they did for so many years,
right?
I mean, after after the eventsof World War II, you had three
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basic stations on TV where theycould they could control the
news narrative, they couldcontrol what kind of propaganda
went through in movies.
SPEAKER_04 (28:02):
And it was actually up and through the 50s and into
the 60s, it was actually largelylike um I won't say Catholics
controlled it, but there wereCatholic institutions that
restricted a lot of stuff on TV.
But then in the 50s, as Israelis rising to prominence and
gaining support from America,you have you have the the
(28:26):
church's influence, especiallyin media, declining.
And it's and it's like that thatis for lack of a better term,
that Israeli influence replacedthat Catholic influence, and no
longer did you have the um thewhat is it the League of
Decency, or what was that?
SPEAKER_05 (28:42):
Yeah, it's the it was the League of Decency where
there was a Catholic coalitionwho actually were able to
prevent nudity and debaucheryfrom getting into films and TV
and things like that.
And this was when like thechurch had this kind of leads
into what I'm so upset aboutwith this latest document as
well.
It's like we'll do it on theother side, but it it's yeah, so
(29:05):
yeah, they have this monopoly onpropaganda and narratives that
come forth, and that is startingto fracture and fall apart.
And they talked about how nowthat this conversation is kind
of just out in the wild, likeNick is no longer banned
everywhere.
Somebody's saying that Nickactually does talk about this
stuff on his show.
(29:25):
I don't watch Nick's showregularly, all I really do is
catch clips of him here.
Like I've known about Nick foruh for 10 years, but I I don't I
never watched his show.
I just kind of see whateverclips are let out there.
So I don't know how deep Nickdoes go into the theology of
this whole thing, but the uh theclips I see rarely talk about
that, and this is it's a veryimportant part of this story
(29:47):
because what what's happeningnow with them with them losing
control of the narrative is kindof like what happens in in 2016
when Trump gets elected.
Trump gets elected and the leftloses.
Loses their minds and they letthe mask slip and they just
start going crazy.
And then with the COVIDnarrative, everything they put
out with that, like it wasalmost like so blatant that it
(30:10):
opened people's eyes.
They were like, This is justinsane.
And that actually is going towind up happening with this
whole conversation soon becausethey are losing their grip on
the narrative.
And when you have a dogcornered, they kind of go crazy
and do whatever.
And that's kind of the positionIsrael's going to be put in
soon.
When they when I mean Gen Z isdone with this with this stuff.
(30:40):
When you go through the oldergenerations, like if you if you
talk to older guys, you likeI've tried to talk to my father
about this stuff.
My father just won't hear it.
He just he still thinks Israelis our greatest ally, and things
like that.
It's a very difficultconversation to have with people
who grew up watching things likeSophie's Choice and you know,
like whatever the whatever uhSchindler's List and you know
(31:03):
these movies.
I mean, every time you turnaround, there's another World
War II movie coming out, andthey're just it's you know, it's
it's it's something that is sodeeply entrenched into Jewish
identity that the story, the thestories themselves have such an
effect on Jewish people thatthey are terrified that anytime
(31:23):
anybody says anything aboutthem, they think another another
Holocaust is coming, you know.
It's like this is it's it's donelike crazy damage to the to the
psyche of the Jewish people aswell.
It's not just you know the theeffect it had on society at
large, it's it's a very very bigissue.
So um the last clip I I clippedwas about the actual Holocaust.
(31:48):
So um Nick uh Dave asks Nickwhat his views on the Holocaust
are, and I'm I'm surprised theywere able to talk about it on
YouTube, but they were, so we'llplay it.
SPEAKER_04 (32:01):
Okay.
Remember, not all channels aretreated equally by.
SPEAKER_05 (32:07):
That is true, but I think we'll be okay.
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
I don't think he says anything too bad here
conversation to have, but I amcurious.
For me, it was never reallyabout the Holocaust in itself
because early on I watched a lotof documentaries like the canon
of Holocaust denialdocumentaries and essays, and I
(32:29):
found a lot of the argumentscompelling.
And then I saw that other peopleare pushing back on that.
And I I have uh good friends ofmine who are like um, you know,
they're fellow travelers, let'ssay, and they adamantly insist
it did happen.
And they send me blog posts andthings.
And at a certain point, you sitdown and say, So is this really
(32:50):
about a World War II historicitydebate or historiographical
debate?
And to me, I'm sort of missingthe point.
To me, the Holocaust is justlike it is just a central part
of the Jewish identity story,which is that if the white
people get too much power,they're gonna kill us all.
(33:11):
If, and that means if we don'thave enough power, they're gonna
kill us all.
If they can critique us, they'regonna kill us all.
You know, it's it's wrapped up,and and this has been pointed
out before that more Jewishpeople think that the Holocaust
is central to their identitythan believe that believing in
God is central to theiridentity.
And that just tells you aboutwhat what Jewish identity really
is and how it's political.
(33:33):
And so to me, the what mattersmore, I don't know.
I think it was exaggerated, Ithink it was embellished.
I don't know that six millionexactly died.
Um, but I don't know.
I haven't, I'm not an expert,and I don't really even care
about being an expert.
To me, it's more about like yousaid, I don't want this trauma
imposed on me and for it todefine our political order
(33:55):
because that's really the issue.
SPEAKER_03 (33:56):
Well, that's so that part I think is 100% reasonable.
SPEAKER_05 (33:59):
Um Bobby's saying they'll ban us for copyright,
but I think that's only if Daveactually Dave would have to hit
us with a copyright.
SPEAKER_04 (34:06):
They're their sensors, their auto sensors
could detect that we're you knowplaying it for so long and and
and do that with, but we couldclaim fair use, and you know,
then yeah, Dave could say no,it's not fair use, and which one
he's a libertarian, yeah,supposedly would.
And two, like it really is fairuse, but YouTube's auto sensors
(34:30):
could ban us in areas.
SPEAKER_05 (34:31):
I don't think like they did, yeah, like they all
right.
So I think we're fine.
Um, yeah, I I mean it's kind ofhard to uh argue with what Nick
said there, right?
And I think that's kind of thepoint most people are at where
it's like, okay, um, I'm noteven going to argue the
historicity of the eventanymore.
I want to actually say, okay,like we can't allow this event
(34:56):
to dictate everything anymore.
And I think that's kind of theplace the younger generation,
excuse me.
I think that's the place theyounger generation is at at this
point where they're just like,okay, look, this this event
can't dictate everything, and ithas dictated everything.
Like, you cannot separate thesecond Vatican Council from that
(35:18):
event.
You can't you can't separateespecially the pontificates of
John Paul II and Benedict fromthat event.
That like Benedict was in theHitler youth, he was forced to
be in the Hitler youth.
John Paul II lived in Polandthroughout these events, like
these things had a very bigeffect on the church over the
past however however manydecades, right?
(35:39):
Now, the in conclusion, beforewe jump over to locals, here's
what I'm gonna say.
I I've I don't I'm glad thatthese two had this conversation
because there were there wasthis there was this friction
between the two of them, and Ithink both of them are important
to the conversation, even if Idon't care what your opinions
are of Nick, I don't care whatyour opinions are of Dave.
(36:00):
This conversation is important,and we couldn't have this
conversation even five yearsago.
Like the amount the culture haschanged over the past five
years, and Nick is a very bigpart of pushing that needle.
And I'll also say this Nick isnow 26, probably gonna be 27
soon.
He said some outlandish thingswhen he was younger.
(36:21):
He's still, you know, he has avery like gallows sense of humor
and things like that, but heseems to be maturing, he seems
to be, especially when he'shaving conversations with other
people.
Like I watch him on PBD and Iwash them on Dave.
He wasn't bombastic, he wasn'tcrazy, he sounds very reasoned.
I don't know what he does on hisown show.
I'm sure he likes he's stillbeing funny and making jokes and
(36:43):
stuff.
But when he is serious, he'stalking about very serious
things.
He has some very importantpolitical takes, and I'm glad
he's part of this conversationbecause he's pushing the needle
very much in culture.
He's like there's very fewpeople who have had as big of an
effect as he has, especiallyover the past two years, in my
opinion.
SPEAKER_04 (37:04):
Yeah, the more I the more I see of him, the more I
like him, I guess.
SPEAKER_05 (37:13):
Uh yeah, you've softened a lot on him, which is
interesting because most of thenot every group.
SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
There's some groipers I like and that follow
me and stuff.
But some of the group think andamong the groipers and the way
they all react and pile onpeople is it's it's too much.
But as far as from what I'veseen from Nick himself, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (37:40):
And and especially look, I've seen like especially
lately, the things I've beenseeing from him is he's very
much careful in how like how wehandle this conversation is
important, right?
Like, this cannot lead to anykind of animosity or hatred
towards any group of people,like, especially us as
(38:00):
Christians.
Like, our job is to actuallylove our enemies even to the
point of martyrdom.
I put out a tweet today sayingthat I would kiss the hands of
my executioner, I would kiss thefeet of the Pope who's punishing
me as a traditionalist.
Like, I will love those who hateme.
Like, that is actually what wehave to do as Christians.
(38:21):
Like, we we have to love them tothe point of martyrdom, love
them to the point where we willlay down our lives, like St.
Maximilian Colby.
Like, that is actually the wayto go about this.
This doesn't you shouldn't beriling up any kind of hatred or
animosity to anybody, and fromour perspective, this
conversation needs to be hadspecifically because the
antichrist will be the JewishMessiah, and and Catholics need
(38:45):
to be aware of that because asthis as you see the heritage
will also be the ProtestantMessiah, too, probably.
That's the point, right?
So, as you that I was just aboutto say that, so like you're
seeing this Christian Zionismappear, and you're seeing these
fanatics of Protestantism wherethey're going crazy for for for
Israel and their support forIsrael, and they will even use
(39:08):
the Bible and misquote it, takeit out of context to make it
appear as if he who loves Israelloves me and things like
whatever the weird ways you knowthey they misquote Genesis.
He was instrumental in myconversion because it struck me
that he was that he has thecourage to talk about topics no
one else did.
Like, that's one thing you gottagive this kid, man.
He is.
(39:29):
I mean, for all the times I'vebacked down from a subject
because I was afraid of thepushback I would get.
This kid says whatever, and partof that is because they banned
him from everything from sayinglittle things, you know.
So uh Eric McCabe's video lastnight, I watched it this
morning.
I think Eric McCabe is crashingout.
I think he's I mean, he came onand tried to have a conversation
(39:51):
with us, and now he blocked meon Twitter.
I mean, blocked you on Twitter,yeah.
He blocked me on Twitter.
There's something going on withhim where like there's this
unhealthy obsession of Catholicconverts to be liked by
Protestants still.
It's like this deep shame withsome of these guys that they
converted, and they just wantthe Protestants to still like
them and let them know thatwe're the nice Catholics, we're
(40:13):
not like anybody else, to thepoint where they'll denigrate
their fellow brother Catholic atthe ex like at the at your
brother Catholic's expense toingratiate yourself to the
Protestant.
It's disgusting, it's reallydisgusting, and I don't I don't
I'm not I'm not a fan of of itwhatsoever.
Um but I getting back to thereason this conversation is
(40:38):
important is becausescripturally speaking, I mean
you're talking about you go backand read Ezekiel, and Jerusalem
is the faithless city, theharlot.
Like that is the description ofJerusalem.
SPEAKER_04 (40:57):
Every church father saw saw not necessarily the
modern state of Israel, but theJews as the whore of Babylon, as
Babylon.
SPEAKER_05 (41:08):
As the unfaithful ones, because God always
ascribed idol worship, He hedescribed it as if it was
faithlessness in a marriage.
So when they say that God neverrevokes his covenants, yeah,
okay, fine, but he also doesn'trevoke the curses that come with
that covenant when you break it.
And that's kind of the situationthat that has been going on.
There actually is one more clipI want to play of Barry Weiss
(41:31):
when she was on Joe Rogan.
SPEAKER_04 (41:33):
I did not know till this week that Barry Weiss was a
female, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (41:37):
Uh uh lesbian, a lesbian female.
She runs the free press.
She has a she has a podcastcalled Honestly.
It's kind of hilarious.
She's on a podcast calledHonestly.
She's married to a woman, yeah.
Honestly.
It's kind of hilarious.
But so yeah, she she she getsinto um explaining how
(42:01):
replacement theory is a myth.
And listen to what she sayshere.
SPEAKER_04 (42:06):
Like replacement theory as in like the racial
one, or as in like uhsupersessionism.
SPEAKER_05 (42:13):
No, no, no.
Like, watch, just listen to whatshe says.
We'll we'll criticize it after.
SPEAKER_00 (42:17):
When I heard Jew, like the Jews will not replace
us, right?
I heard it in like the plainmeaning of that phrase.
Like, the Jew is not gonna takemy job.
The Jew is not gonna like takemy job in the corner office or
whatever.
Um, but in fact, it was like areflection of this replacement
theory ideology, which is thatbrown people and black people
(42:39):
and Muslims and immigrants arecoming to replace our white
civilization.
And the the Jew's job isbasically to pass as a white
person, but in fact, do thebidding of these people that we
deem to be not pure.
Where does that come from?
That is a deeply, deeply ancientanti-Semitic conspiracy theory,
(43:02):
right?
It's the idea of let's go backto the new the New Testament,
let's go back to to Jesus,right?
What happens in that story?
The story there is that the Jewsgo to Pontius Pilate and say,
you know, like this person'sunacceptable to us.
And in the mythology of thatstory, the Jews get what was
(43:26):
then the most powerful empire inthe world, the Roman Empire, to
do their bidding.
And you have this line in thebook of Matthew that is so, so I
mean, the the bloodiness of thisline cannot be quantified, where
he says, you know, his blood beon us and on our children, which
goes, you know, down through thecenturies to justify the killing
(43:47):
of Jews, of, you know, untoldnumbers of people.
The idea of the Jew as sort oflike the wily manipulator, as
the Jew as having proximity topower, not being in power, but
being able to sort of be thepuppet master, pulling the
levers of power.
You see that play out in lots ofdifferent iterations.
SPEAKER_05 (44:10):
But I mean, I'm not saying it.
She's kind of saying it.
SPEAKER_04 (44:14):
Like uh the the Marxist language there, the the
mythology that's being told, uhthe story.
SPEAKER_05 (44:26):
I have I have to say something though, because this
is an important point wherePilot had an APAC
representative.
So there's an important pointhere where when you get into
this conversation, you you yousee that Israel is the only one
allowed to have an ethnostate,right?
Like they're allowed to have anethnostate, we're not allowed to
(44:48):
have one, and part of that isbecause when when Germany had an
ethno state, they came togetherand they saw the damage, and
they were like, We're doingsomething about this.
Now, that is their biggest fearis that if you have an ethno
state, something like that willhappen.
So that's the that's themotivation behind these open
(45:09):
border societies that GeorgeSoros is pushing pushing.
Like, that's the motivationbehind an open society where
it's just a borderless world,and you it's so that your
culture is dead is degraded somuch that you don't get together
and say, wait a minute, thesethings are bad, we have to put a
stop to them.
That is the motivation, andshe's telling you straight out,
(45:30):
like I'm she's saying it's amyth, but I mean I mean, if this
show doesn't get struck, I don'tknow.
Yes, absolutely correct.
All of the all of the NewTestament in the early church is
Jewish.
I mean, it's it's not the whathappens in the early church is a
schism.
It's a schism.
(45:50):
Those who went out from us, theyclaim they were part of us, but
they never were of us.
This is a schism.
So it's like the the the peopleof God continue through the new
covenant comes, the people ofGod continue, they're the same
people.
There's a schism.
There's those who break awaybecause they don't want the new
covenant.
They don't want to share the newcovenant with the Gentiles, is
(46:12):
what it is.
Yeah, they're they in their mindthe idea of sharing the covenant
promises with the Gentiles ishorrifying.
Absolutely not.
They will control everything andwe will be subordinate to them.
Now that idea exists still, itit continues on, and it's you
(46:33):
know, I mean, look, uh it's ait's a hard topic to discuss on
YouTube, but if you want tofinish out what she says, I
don't know, but is it worthfinishing out?
I mean, she goes through andexplains it gonna make is it
gonna make me more mad?
SPEAKER_04 (46:47):
Maybe, but people should hear it.
SPEAKER_00 (46:51):
Time, right?
You see it.
Um I'm trying to think aboutuseful examples for your
listeners, but but that is sortof the trope, right?
And it is uh an ancient one, butit's being utilized in really
new ways.
Um, so it's not literally thatthe Jew is going to replace us,
that is that the Jew who the Jewin a way is sort of like the
(47:16):
greatest trick the devil hasever played.
And this is the language of EricWard, who wrote this amazing
essay called Skin in the Game.
And he talks, he's an he's ablack anti-racist activist.
And he talks about figuring outhow anti-Semitism is kind of the
linchpin of white supremacy,because the Jew appears to be
white, but in fact, he's notwhite.
(47:36):
I mean, this is all based onthis lie that race is not a
social, that race is not aconstruct, right?
It's which it is.
Um, but they're saying that theJew is not white, but he appears
to be white, but in fact, he'sloyal to these people who are
coming to sully America.
And so when you have someonelike Congressman Steve King
saying we can't replace ourcivilization with someone else's
babies, like what does thatmean?
(47:58):
What is that idea?
It is so deeply anti-Americanbecause the idea of America,
right, is the idea thatAmericann-ness is not about
bloodline.
Americanness is about a sharedset of values and ideas and
fealty to those ideas.
So that's someone else's show.
SPEAKER_05 (48:18):
What is an American?
Like, what is what does it meanto be an American?
And look, the idea of like massmigration also is so that, you
know, and even the integrationof schools and things like that
was so that your daughter comeshome with a guy that doesn't
look like you.
Like it's just it's just what'sgoing to happen, you know,
naturally.
(48:39):
And it's, you know, it that thatis the idea behind it.
It's so that you don't have atight knit cultural community
because then you care about yourculture.
And when you care about yourculture and you don't want it to
be destroyed, you you fight forit.
But if you don't have a cultureto fight for, it's easy to
divide and conquer a people.
SPEAKER_04 (48:59):
The the the whole idea of a melting pot is um it's
so subversive in in that itmakes you think that that
everyone melts together and youall become one.
But really, what it does is itit it separates you from your
history, from your people, fromyour culture, from your
religion.
(49:19):
And it it it makes you thisindividualized little um atom
separate from everyone andeverything else, and it does
that to everyone all at once,and it it keeps people away from
each other, it keeps people fromlook reaching out to to help
someone out, you know, someoneelse like this.
SPEAKER_05 (49:37):
Listen, if you I've told you I watched that
documentary about the like thecreation of New York, it was
like over a couple of like acouple of centuries.
It goes from like the 1600s touh the Trade Center coming down,
and when Robert Moses comes inand he builds the highway system
when the automobile is invented,he builds the highway system, he
just breaks up these beautifulCatholic communities throughout
(49:58):
New York City.
It's like you have thesebeautiful uh Italian Catholic
communities, these IrishCatholic communities, they're
all these tight-knit communitieswhere your cousins and your
aunts and uncles are all livingtogether.
You all gather around the parishcommunity, like the community
parish where the priest isinvolved in your lives and
everybody knows everybody, andthen they build a highway right
(50:21):
through those beautifulcommunities.
They stick all the black peopleup in these tenement buildings,
and everybody scatters out tothe suburbs.
And the suburbs is like man,it's like the decimation of
community.
SPEAKER_04 (50:32):
You'll you live they're designed to where you
can't even walk from place toplace, right?
SPEAKER_05 (50:37):
You don't know your neighbor, you have no
interaction with anybody, it'sjust the total disintegration of
culture.
I'm telling you, the this nowlook, I don't know how much of
this is orchestrated from thetop and stuff, but it's just
kind of what has happened.
Um, yeah, that's so right.
So race is just a socialcontract, except for them.
Except for them, for them, it'sa very real thing, you know, and
(50:58):
it's like they're they're theonly ones who actually allowed
to have this racial ethnicidentity, and we're not.
And it's look, it's a it's ait's it this issue is going to
be very prominent, and I'm gladfor the guys who have pushed the
needle and made the sacrificeand gotten themselves canceled
over it.
(51:18):
I'm grateful to them becausethey paved the way for guys like
us to even have thisconversation.
So Nick, Dave, thank you both.
I think what you're doing isimportant, and I hope I hope the
conversations continue.
I'm I'm much I'd much rather youguys be speaking and having
conversations and you guys be atwar with each other.
I think uh I think a lot of thisstuff is is stuff that needs to
(51:41):
be talked about.
So we're gonna head over tolocals now.
Um, if you guys aren'tsubscribed, I have quite a rant
tonight.
I I I want to talk, um, I'm Iwant to talk about what Nick had
to say about the immigrationthing and it's gonna lead into
what this latest and this latestum exhortation was.
Because the things that I'mseeing in my life compared to
(52:04):
what the what what the hierarchyis talking about are just
they're just light years away.
Light years, complete lightyears away, because I work
around poor people more than anyof the people, all the people
praising this document.
I promise you, I'm around poorpeople way more than you guys.
All the people that are praisinghis outreach to the immigrant, I
work with immigrants.
(52:25):
So like I I know what it's liketo actually deal with this stuff
in person, and that's not what Ineed help with because I am
compassionate to the poorperson.
I do have I do have compassionfor the immigrant who comes.
Like, I've actually made my mymy work friends who barely speak
English come to my children'sgraduation parties and things
(52:46):
like that.
That is not like that.
Is your call as a Christian, isespecially like to to have to
have like a brotherhood withyour fellow Catholics, like the
the the our our our because thereal globalism is the Catholic
Church, like that's actually theproper way to do it, where we
have the same cult, we worshipat the same altar, so that does
(53:08):
bring down the dividing wall ofhostility.
But what we're talking about inthis document is very
frustrating because I'll do therant over there, we'll do it
over there.
So if you guys want to hear it,I have a lot to say.
SPEAKER_04 (53:19):
The link is pinned in locals or not locals in the
live chat.
Um, for everyone watching onYouTube, this it's not gonna be
really any different than whatit normally is.
Me and Anthony will just have toleave this stream and go into
the other one I created.
Um, but if you go over to localsand we're not there, we will be
there momentarily.
SPEAKER_05 (53:39):
So yeah, we're gonna have to end this stream and then
we'll jump over there.
So just sit tight and wait forus and we'll start the show over
when we get over to locals.
Um, and and we'll talk to youguys over there.
Uh, thank you guys for watching.
We'll see you next time.
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