Plug The Holes, Save A Life

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SPEAKER_06 (00:00):
Oh, I really screwed this one up, guys.
I somehow, okay, hold on.
How did I do this?
Oh my beautiful bean footage.
Okay, everyone forget that, andhere we go.
The middle children of history,man.
No purpose to play.
No break to war.
No breaks to pressure.

(00:51):
I'm with Anthony for two days inperson, and his boomeress rubs
off on me, and I can't worktacosis.
Oh, I mean, I forgot to set upthe local stream, so this isn't
streaming the locals tonighteither.
Somebody specifically askedabout that earlier.
I suck tonight, everyone.
I'm sorry.
Man, it was a very busy andhectic, but very good weekend.

(01:15):
So uh yeah, awesome.
Oh, I apologize if I'm a littleout of it tonight.
Yeah, we have a new faithful.
We do.
How was the uh how was thebaptism?
It was awesome, it was reallyawesome.
It um it so it's a parish I grewup in, so it's awesome to see my
kids baptized there.
And the priest who did thebaptism was the same priest who

(01:36):
did my dad's funeral there a fewyears ago.
Uh, and he's just uh uh anawesome priest and gives amazing
homilies.
Um, his name's Father Altier,and he um I forget where who
posts his homilies, but hishomilies do get posted somewhere
weekly if anyone wants to Googlethem.
But yeah, baptism was good.
Hanging out with with Anthonywas good, seeing everyone at the

(02:01):
um the little lunch we had afterwas awesome.
So we had a lot of people we hada couple fly in from Chicago
from the telegram.
A lot of um a lot of people drewdrove a few hours, so it was
awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (02:15):
Wow.
Did you did anybody uh from thetelegram you meet that you
didn't expect?

SPEAKER_06 (02:21):
Um, I forgot that uh Anthony um he's on the the Lads
and Slavs podcast.
I forgot that he was gonna drivein for it.
So oh wow, it was and he helives probably four hours away,
so it was awesome to see him.
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (02:37):
Uh good.
That you're saying somethinglike 40 people showed up.
Yeah, I don't even have 40, Idon't even have like 40 friends.
Everyone in the telegram, yeah,yeah.
That's about that's about it.
I will not be having any morebaptisms.

SPEAKER_06 (02:53):
Y'all can show up to the the one person I was hoping
to see, but who didn't get tocome was Alex, because he was
having his uh well, I know hejust had a baby, and then so
someone yeah, someone else had abaptism too, so yeah, that's
awesome.
Anthony is my height, a littlebit shorter, so so I've I'm not

(03:18):
I don't know which one of themwas taller.
I didn't look.
Um, so did Anthony just takeover all the social situations?
No, he was actually pretty laidback for like the launch after
baptism.
Yeah, wow, yeah.
But uh yeah, we went to dinnerthe the night before um at a at

(03:38):
a Russian restaurant.
He had never had Russian foodbefore, so he uh he thought that
was interesting.
He mostly liked the vodka forthe most part.
I'm sure that's that's that'spretty on character for him,
yeah, yep.
Um, so yeah, so oh Catholicparents online post fatherl tier
sermons.
I highly recommend them.

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But so today we're doingmedical.
We have Christopher waiting inthe green room.
He is he's been he's he justtold me right before the episode
that he's been uh on anambulance for 30 years as either
an emt or paramedic, so he isextremely knowledgeable.
So we're gonna get to him in aminute, but before that, guys,

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And Adrian disappeared.
He didn't put me on screen, hejust disappeared.
Oh, okay.
Well, hopefully he comes back,everyone.
I hear I thought he put me onscreen all by myself.
In the meantime, until he comesback, let's pull up Christopher

(06:30):
here.
So I'm not all by myself becauseI hate being by myself.
Hey, Christopher.
Your sound working?
Yeah.
Yeah, I can hear you.
Uh let me see if I got a messagefrom Adrian here.
No, I don't.
Okay.
Is internet in a shed isprobably crapping out again.

(06:53):
But uh, so you told me before wecame on that uh you've been
doing emergency medicine for 30plus years, right?
Yes, sir.
How how did you get into that?

SPEAKER_05 (07:08):
Short story or long story?

SPEAKER_06 (07:11):
Uh let's start with the long story in case it takes
a while for Adrian to come back.

SPEAKER_05 (07:16):
Um I don't know.
I I always wanted to kind of dosomething that I could, you
know.
I know it it's so cheese, butlike I really wanted to like
help people, right?
I wanted to actually affectpeople's lives, right?
Like it's maybe a prideful thingor whatever, but I remember like

(07:37):
wondering what I was gonna do.
I always knew I was gonna go inthe military, but uh um I didn't
know what to do other than that.
And I remember seeing anambulance drive by, and I was
like, Oh, maybe I'll do that.
And then I started asking mybuddies and stuff, and they were
like, Oh no, you gotta be oh,you're gonna be a firefighter.
And I'm like, No, I don't reallywant to be a firefighter.
Sorry, Adrian.

SPEAKER_01 (07:57):
Um I was the same thing, man.
So I was like, I want to be afirefighter.

SPEAKER_05 (08:03):
Yeah, so I kind of gave that up and kind of had a
little fun time and then startedcollege and realized that
sucked, so I dropped out andjoined the Marine Corps.
And a couple years in, I got uhreally bad uh I had to get
surgery for something, and um Iremember sitting there while

(08:26):
they're start starting IV on meand just staring at it and
going, That's freaking easy, Ican do that.
And I was talking to my mom, andshe was like, and she uh had
didn't tell me, but she hadlooked up and found out how to
get EMT, so it was a semestercourse, and I was like, Cool, so
you can still take school whileyou're in the military, you

(08:47):
know.
And and I went in there andthere was like a hundred people
in the class.
It was uh because um at thecollege they do um all the
marine tech stuff because it'sright on the coast in
California, and so they do allthe like deep sea divers and
stuff like that, and thewelders, and they have to have
EMT and they always wait to theend of their degree to get it,
right?
So, but I mean it was a lot,dude.

(09:08):
I it was I had a blast, man.
I was like, I aced it, and I'mlike, I'm doing medicine now,
and ever since then, everyfreaking college class I took, I
just I loved it, man.
Took a little probably growingup afterward, you know, to do
it, but and then it's just kindof just started working my way
up, started out as an EMT,started working for a hospital,

(09:28):
doing non-emergent stuff, andthen went to paramedic school,
did all that, got to be a flightmedic for a few years, doing a
search and rescue helicopter,which was one of the coolest
things I've ever done.
Um and then we moved to Texasbecause Austin EMS is known as

(09:49):
one of the best in the country,if not the world.
I don't know if I'd it's goodfor a lot of things.
I don't know if I'd put it asthe best, but you know, but you
get to be a paramedic, theyteach you a lot of more stuff,
large scope of practice, and youliterally get to uh actually do
things for people, which Ireally like to do.
So and I've loved it ever since.

(10:09):
Man, I'm gonna miss it.

SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Yeah, but I was getting out of the Marines.
Um, I just wanted to do 911medicine.
I didn't want to, you know, andthen everywhere I looked, it's
like, man, if you're not afirefighter, like you're not on
a med unit at all.
So that I had to go through metthrough fire school, uh, and it
fire school's fun.
Like, I just never had a dreamto be a firefighter.
I didn't ever grow up like me.
I won't be a firefighter oneday.

(10:34):
Yeah, I mean neither.
But you know, one of the thingsI did recognize is being a
firefighter is one of the onlyjobs where people will literally
do it for free.
The volunteer fire departments,they will do it for free all the
time, and it's their identity,too.

SPEAKER_05 (10:47):
Um, but it's an inherent thing they want to like
help.
Honestly, those guys, I mean, Ilove the volley firefighters,
man.
Like, we work with them a lot.
I actually my neighbor got me onas a medical responder of our
local one, and I mean, I lovetheir path, their their
willingness to help, man.
It's the you know, some of thesometimes the the professional
firefighters get a littledeserving, I guess you call uh I

(11:12):
don't know how you'd say it.

SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
Yeah, they get but I mean that's also the difference
between you know your reserveand your active duty, right?
There's guys who do it all day,every day, and they're prepared
to do it at any moment.
Another guy's doing it basicallywhen he has free time when he's
not providing for his family,and so you're not gonna be as
sharp on the skills as the guywho's prepared all day.

SPEAKER_05 (11:31):
I mean, I'm gonna well honestly, I did a lot of
reserves, man.
Like, because you know how theMarine Corps has to do eight
years, you know, and you know,you can either do active or not
active reserve.
And I actually really enjoyed myact, my reserve unit because
like I don't know how it is now,but back then, dude, especially
because I was like I was incalm, so that's a needed skill

(11:52):
in a lot of different units, andso I got attached to a lot of
different units, like thirdmarine regiment, or like for
LAR, fourth LAR.
Like, we had a bunch of guys Imissed out on the Panama thing,
and and uh we got to send guysdown to like Chile and stuff.
So, I mean you got to a guy likeif you even though you were
reserved, you technically wereactive because you could be gone
the whole year doing attachmentsto other units.

(12:14):
But I mean I understand whatyou're saying, like from it's it
like anything, right?
Some people do it half-assed,and some people do it, but yeah,
I loved it, man.
Like, I think there's good andbad of both, right?
Like, because like you were withthe same dudes because my
reserve unit ended up being thego-to-war battalion, and they
were the ones that pushed intoum Baghdad.
I lost a few buddies in that, soum, I think I was out before

(12:37):
then, but um, but yeah, like wegot to be a really kick-ass team
because we were always workingtogether, you know.
Um, whereas, like, you know,when you're on inactive, you get
every two years you get into adifferent unit or something, and
but again, like there's goodstuff with that too.
There's like it's like a almostlike a vision quest for a man,
right?
Like, but uh in some ways, yeah,a lot of deviancy too.

SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Yes, that's the biggest thing about the Marines.
Like, I really that's thebiggest reason I don't really
push a lot of guys to join, or Idon't really encourage it as
much because you're gonna bearound some degenerate debauch
activities, right?
And like if you don't have agood faith foundation before you
go in, like you're gonna be insome serious mortal stuff.

(13:22):
Uh yeah and I was I mean, sorry,sorry.
I was just saying, like, I waslike, I did I had no foundation
to my faith at the time, youknow, because I left for so
long, and I can and it wasn'tuntil I got out that I came
back, and I was in some stuffthat like I try and warn my kids
about it now.
Like that was not always a goodguy, yeah.
Like that, like that I had tohave it's basically meeting your

(13:44):
mother turned me around.
Um, you know, and just but yeah,so if y'all uh I I know I was
out because my wi-fi decided toit, wasn't even Wi-Fi, first of
all, it was my fiber, right?
So I don't know what that wasabout.
So I had to go reset the router.
I know I almost I almost threwit on my phone.

(14:05):
Um just you know, started doingmy uh yeah, but um, so that we
did we introduce Chris?
Did we introduce him?
He is the resident uh medicaladvice in the telegram.

SPEAKER_06 (14:17):
Yeah, we uh we we pick his brain all the time for
medical stuff in the telegram.

SPEAKER_01 (14:22):
We we got a couple of good guys with some good
medical advice, Ryan and a bunchof guys, good guys.
We we always defer to Chrisbecause he's on the front line
of a lot of stuff now.
Like my my knowledge is a littleold, right?
Because I haven't I haven't beena paramedic in seven years.
Um so I can stop the lead, butI'm not throwing any king tubes

(14:43):
or anything in anytime soon.
Um those are freaking easy.
Yeah, you really just shove itdown to the stops and then
inflate it.
Um, but so tonight the uh thegoal we're we want to go over a
reason we brought in ourresident expert.
Um, is Chris is gonna go over umIFACs and needed training and

(15:04):
kind of hit some wave tops onsome things.
We might get a little into theweeds on some stuff um that we
need, but as y'all have seenlately with the Michigan attack,
and then you know, going back afew shows ago with enunciation,
um, you know, like that you'regoing to much more likely use
this than you will use anyfirearm.
Yeah, you are much more likelyto be going down the road and

(15:26):
coming across a car accident ora motorcycle accident, and you
need to help be able to usethese things to save someone's
life more than you will everneed to fire a firearm at
somebody.
And if you ever do need to firethe firearm, you probably need
this too.

SPEAKER_07 (15:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
So if you're gonna make holes, you need to be able
to plug holes.
Um, so and we let's go ahead andI want to play the first video.
Okay, and then we'll get intothings.

SPEAKER_06 (15:52):
The tourniquet pain experiment.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's see if I can make it anybigger.

(16:15):
Probably not.

SPEAKER_02 (16:19):
Prepared myself mentally for this.
That sung worse.
That sung worse.
Oh my god, what the turningweird colors.
Take it off, take it, take itoff, you were tightening it,
take it off.
Oh the button looks black.

(16:41):
Your artists messed up, dude.
Ah God, well, I can tell you onething, it doesn't help with the
pain at all.
It it hurts.
It all hurts.
That was an intrusive thought.
I'm sorry.
Prepared myself, man.
Okay.
That was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (16:58):
I had another video where it was the army and they
threw tourniquets on on everboth of everybody's legs, like
four or five guys, and to wherethey, you know, uh lost the
pulse, and then they made themrun 100 meters.
And you could tell who actuallyput theirs on and who didn't.
Because the guys who actuallyput theirs on and tightened it
down correctly, he couldn't evenstand.

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He was like having to draghimself with his arms.
Um, so let's get into let'slet's first, Chris, if you don't
mind, um, because I know you'vebuilt your own, right?
Um because you have theknowledge to be able to do that.
And a lot of a lot of people maynot, uh, or they may, or they

(17:38):
may know somebody who can do itfor them.
But let's let's first let's goover what you have in yours, and
then we'll go over some thingslike why you would need this,
you know.
In my first aid kit, yourblowout kit, where you go.
Yeah, I mean so let's let me askyou this what do you think
everyone should have on them, orat least within arm's reach?

SPEAKER_05 (18:02):
Um tourniquets, obviously.

SPEAKER_06 (18:06):
Um what kind of tourniquet?

SPEAKER_05 (18:11):
Oh, you need to have a uh it has to be confirmed
that's works.
Um you can't just, you know,there's a lot of on like Amazon
that are um what do you call it?
Counterfeit, yeah.
Um the biggest thing is I'd haveat least like two to three

(18:32):
cravats, which are trianglebandages, I'd have a couple of
bulky dressings, um, uh gauzeroll.
Um, I'd have some tape, I'd havesome um uh trauma shears, uh I'd
have some um chest seals if Imean if we're considering a
blowout bag.
Yeah, um like I set up myblowout bag different than I'd
set up my my first aid kit.

(18:53):
Like I keep, I mean honestly,man, the biggest thing you're
gonna use is band-aids and tyanon ibuprofen, you know.
Like, so you should definitelyhave those things in there.
I would I would definitely haveTylenol ibuprofen people because
I mean people don't realize ifyou're putting on a tourniquet
properly, it's gonna frip andhurt.

SPEAKER_06 (19:09):
Like really you might need to up that autism
with the Tylenol.

SPEAKER_05 (19:14):
Right, yeah, that's so bullshit.
Oh, this is not all right.

SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
So on the on the tourniquets, like the two I've
got here.
I got this one in today.
This was by Snake Snaff.
Um, this is new on the scene,pretty much, but it's been TCCC
approved.
Um, and then you've got cat,right?
Uh, you've got soft tea, you gotSWAT.
Um, you know, anything with awindless is what I've always
advised to be.

(19:42):
So, yeah, and that's I'm sorry,go ahead.
And I was gonna say the one Iwould advise to stay away from
is the rats.

SPEAKER_05 (19:48):
Yeah, don't the rat, no, do not use the rat.
That I don't know why that tookon.

SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
I mean, I understand why it took on, but I don't the
argument is well, the rats isgood for kids.

SPEAKER_05 (20:00):
No, it's bullshit.
Oh, we've actually proventhere's actually studies out
that even the the soft tea, thethe cat will all fit on a a
child.

SPEAKER_01 (20:11):
So um are you using some type of spacer or something
to to help press in?

SPEAKER_05 (20:16):
Like a yeah, you can like so like that guy that got
hit with that whatever that wirething was, he he didn't put it
on right because he would nothe'd be screaming, and um yeah,
one thing we found, and um Iactually learned this.
Uh the guy that originallytaught our class was um he was a
PJ during the Battle ofMogadishu.

(20:37):
Um, and they're the ones thatkind of they developed like the
junctional tourniquets and stufflike that.
Um and they find like with um ifyou're putting on a tourniquet
on like a bicep, oftentimesyou're gonna need to put in like
a like a curlex, like a like abulky in between.

(20:58):
Because what happens is when youput it on, your bicep will roll
over, and you're not gonna getthe actual pressure.
Because what we're trying,you're trying to do is right,
like you're trying to kick crimpa hose against something hard,
right?
So that's also why when you doextremities, you're doing it as
high up as you can because youwant to get to that solid single

(21:19):
bone.
If you do it down on the on theforearm, the radial ulna,
there's tons of space you canstill fill and bleed out into.
There's still artery arteriesright in there.
You're not gonna maybe cut it.
So, but this is more of aguarantee that you're gonna have
a have a um yeah, an actualblockage.

SPEAKER_01 (21:38):
As I used to explain to guys when I used to teach
this stuff, was imagine you'vegot a hose, right?
It's circular, right?
And you're putting it up againstthe bone, right?
And your muscle is pushing it upand flattening it on against the
bone, right?
Right.
And that's what's causing theocclusion because the the goal
is to stop the bleeding.
You want the red stuff to stayin, you don't want the red stuff

(21:59):
to go out, right?
Um, and so by crimping thathose, you're using muscle to
press down on that whole hose.
You're you're pressing all kindsof material down on that hose to
crimp it down because it's notthe actual tourniquet itself
that's crimping it down, it'sthe tourniquet pushing meat and

(22:20):
muscle and fascia and everythingdown onto that tube to crimp it.
Yeah, I mean it's like shoving afat guy on top of a hose, right?
He's gonna stop it from beingable to spray.

SPEAKER_05 (22:30):
No offense to any fat guys, and so one thing that
I when I teach this, it's I tryto stress because I put a lot of
these on, and I've also takenand had to fix a lot of them on
people that have put them on.
Now, I would prefer you stillput it on because it has still
has some it can slow down thebleed, if that makes sense.

(22:53):
But people need to understandthe mechanism of how these
tourniquets work.
Like when we were all kids, weprobably learned like if you
guys in the Boy Scouts at all oranything like that.
I mean, we learn how to likeactually use like make a
tourniquet, right?
So yeah, with like a stage,yeah, not everybody, and I
actually got brought some stuffto actually show people because
if you're in a truemulti-casualty incident and or

(23:15):
you're at a place, like you'regonna run out of tourniquets
oftentimes, and you're gonnahave or you might not have it.
So you need to know how to makea tourniquet because a belt
around is that's just aconstricting band that does not
stop the bleeding, right?
And so you cannot get it tightenough to stop the especially
around a thigh.
So, really quick.
So, like, let's break down whata tourniquet is, especially you

(23:38):
know, I want to gauge this alsoto a lot of like the mothers
that are watching or whatever,because they can do a ton of
stuff, right?
Especially if the dads got hitor something like that.
So, I'm gonna try to break itdown so they can understand a
little bit more.
So, you have the actual band onmost of these, right?
That's it's gonna be about twoto three inches wide.
And the reason why you want thatis because you're gonna try you

(23:59):
want to limit, you want toincrease the surface area, but
you want to limit tissue damage,right?
Now, you can keep these on.
Uh, studies showed over eighthours, it's probably can be even
longer than that.
But in the end, even if you loseyour leg, you're not bleeding to
death, you know.
So I would rather keep, like yousaid, like Adrian.

(24:20):
You're still alive, right?
So the significant thing withthe what was the one you called
snake bit or something?
Snake staff, stay staff, and thesoft tee and the cannon.
Is you have the band, and theseare able to be put on by the
person, right?

(24:41):
So you have the main, this isthe main constricting band, and
you can either put it in andprep it ready and slide it on,
which I don't think you shoulddo, but people do that.
Um, and then this is what'sactually gonna, you need to pull
this.
I've actually had to put my legup on a wall or just like yank
it until they scream, right?

(25:02):
So unfortunately, that's justhow it is, and because I've come
up where this is not the mainconstrictor, the windless, it's
a very thin amount of material,it doesn't have a lot of room.
I've if you have to twist thismore than five times, it should
be more like three, but morethan five times, it's too loose.

(25:23):
You haven't put it on tightenough because after about five
times, it's not gonna do anymore constriction, yeah.
And especially if this is soakedin blood and all that kind of
thing.
So you need to get your maintension on this, and then you
want to do one, two, three, makesure there's no pulse.
If there's still a pulse, twomore, or until you get no more

(25:44):
pulse, or if it did, you got torelease it, tighten it back up
again.

SPEAKER_06 (25:47):
So and you're doing this above the injury, of
course, right?

SPEAKER_05 (25:50):
Correct, right?
Yeah, it used to be like theywanted you to do it three to
four inches above the injury,but I know things go back and
forth.
Yeah, people are constantly, butI would recommend to always put
it on the highest the proxicalproximal long bone, right?
So you want to do it up here,and even if you do it up here,

(26:11):
you're gonna you're gonna bypassthat bicep, right?
So it's gonna be a little biteasier.
You want to do it on here, andyou want to do it up on the
thigh as high up as you caninside the groin and crank the
heck out of it.
And they're gonna scream.
I mean, we give pain medicineafter it just because you have
to, but you you really need todo that.
Um another thing is uh Irecommend carrying at least six

(26:35):
tourniquets.
Six tourniquets.
It's a lot of tourniquets now.
Like in my blot kit, I only havetwo, but because I also have a
bunch more other places, right?
On the ambulance, but the reasonis is because how many
extremities do you have?

SPEAKER_01 (26:49):
Yeah, you got four, and you might need to double up,
right?

SPEAKER_05 (26:51):
And honestly, yeah, and oftentimes in the on the
thaw the lower extremity, youneed multiple tourniquets,
right?
So you need two two back to backright close to each other.
So that's just what I recommend.
You can carry, you can carry twoto three and have some stash
somewhere else, but just havesix at least, right?
Also, there you might have morepatience, right?

(27:14):
Like, so yeah, you just neverknow.
I mean, that's just myrecommendation.
You could do whatever the heckyou want, but yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (27:19):
What what about in like a small IFAC?
You still think two to three andsomething like that?

SPEAKER_05 (27:23):
Um, like if you're doing a small IFAC, man, I would
do two.
Um, and then you maybe like I'vegot two on this one.

SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
Yeah, I mean I just throw this in my backpack.

SPEAKER_05 (27:32):
I mean, it comes down to like reality, right?
Like, you can't carry you're notcarrying a frickin' med med bag
everywhere you're going.
Like, I mean, unless you're myme or my son, or I mean, we just
happen to have it because we putthem in our car, we bring them
everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
And but yeah, and if you've got if you've got two and
you got some bandages you canmake into some, right?
Because bandages are a loteasierly storable than some of
these items.
So here.
Oh, yeah, gotta dig in.
So it when I was learning andbecoming a paramedic, it was

(28:08):
high and you know, high andtight, basically.
Uh have it as almost into theshoulder, right?
Or as deep into the you know, upinto the thigh, you know, in the
almost into the groin.
And then I was looking like ayear ago, and they're like,
they're back to the two to threeinches above the wound, right?
And I'm like, Well, it's it'slike eggs, right?
You remember when we weregrowing up, you weren't supposed

(28:29):
to eat eggs that are too highcholesterol, and then it was all
now eggs are great for you, it'sgood cholesterol.
And then it was all but they'vegot a lot of fat too now, and
they can't even know.
Oh, no, they're it's good fat,though, it's good fat.

SPEAKER_05 (28:40):
Yeah, like a lot of that stuff's coming out from
people that don't do thefreaking job, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
So, yeah, I mean, I don't know, but the reason we
know everything we know aboutthese is from the global war on
terror because there have beentimes where guys have had
tourniquets on for eight hours.
I had a guy in Marshall who hadit on for 28 hours before we
were able to get him out, andhe's walking around fine today,
he was on his leg, right?

SPEAKER_05 (29:02):
So I didn't want to say it, but because it pissed
off the chat.
But it actually originally thestudy came from the Israeli
defense force.
Yeah, it's always the Jews, man.
What's up with that?
It's always the Jews.
So, really quick, this is if youwant to do you can tear a shirt,

(29:24):
probably wanted to havesomething more like a jeans or
something a little more rigid.
These are triangle bandages,they're literally they're
pennies, man.
Like, I would carry if youdidn't have couldn't carry
tourniquets, and uh again,tourniquets are flipping
expensive, man.
Like, I not everybody can havethem.
I would have a bunch of theseand a bunch of these sticking

(29:45):
around, a little dowel that'srigid enough that could do it,
right?
So, so what you do is is youtake it out of the package,
right?
And this is a perfect width forit.
You don't even have to unrollit.
What you do is, and so withthese, though.
So the primary constrictor isactually the windless.
All right.
That's different than what thiswhat the other commercial is.

(30:09):
Okay.
So you're going to do is you'regoing to tie it around the arm.
I mean, tie it tight as you can.
Is this making sense?
Is this coming out?
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tie it around the arm.
And then you're going to want todo another loose tie.
So then you put the stick in,right?

SPEAKER_06 (30:31):
Tie that.

SPEAKER_05 (30:32):
Now before you start twisting it, open the other one.
You should probably have themboth open anyways, for and you
want to have this set up downjust lower to where it'll be
able to catch the windless.

(30:53):
Then what you do is you usethis, make sure it's tight.

SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
You're just using two overhand knots.

SPEAKER_05 (30:59):
Right, just two overhand knots.
Doesn't need to be any kind ofcrazy uh and you're just gonna
start twisting, and you're gonnaand you don't you do it until
you feel no longer a distalpulse, right?

SPEAKER_06 (31:10):
What do you mean by distal pulse?

SPEAKER_05 (31:12):
Oh, I'm sorry.
So distal means a wave, a pulseas far away from where the
injury is.
So like distal means away fromthe body, like distance away
from the body, right?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Ishouldn't be using those.
Don't worry, I'll translate.
I'll translate.
And then once you get it to thattension, right?
So you have it to that tension,then that's where this comes in
because this has to hold that inplace because you do not want

(31:32):
that.
Does that make sense?
And honestly, these this couldthis tourniquet right here will
cost you less than a dollar,yeah.
You know, so you're just gonnahave to do that, or at least
know how to do it.
I mean, you can get as long youcan get sticks from trees, you
could get what as long asthey're like oak or something
like that.

SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
Well, that's why like I always recommend like
metal pins.
I just found this in my drawer.
I'm surprised.

SPEAKER_05 (31:55):
Well, be careful, yeah.
Metal pins good, but be careful.

SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Some of them are yeah, can break, but or you
know, like uh, you know, justsomething that's hard and rigid,
like freezing.

SPEAKER_05 (32:06):
Are we doing that again?

SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
You know, but so that so you know, with putting
on a tourniquet, Chris.
Um why what would indicate atourniquet needs to be put on?
Like what are what are peoplelooking for?
They're just looking for like alike a little small scratch, or
are they looking for any type ofpuncture wound?
What kind of bleeding?

SPEAKER_05 (32:28):
Right.
So initial thing, like so youwant to be looking for if you
cannot.
I'm trying to get past the likeexperience.
Like I can just see one, I knowand it's certainly you just
know, right?

(32:48):
But um, yeah, so when you comeup, if honestly, if you do if
you have a question, just do it,put it on, right?
Like uh it's because I don't Idon't need you sitting there for
10-15 minutes trying to holdpressure because you didn't know
for sure, put the dangtourniquet on because I can
always take it off later, or youcan take it off later, right?
Like, um, but mainly it seemslike if there's a lot of blood,

(33:10):
which that's relative becausemost people think things are a
lot of blood, and yeah, let melet's let you know it's not a
lot, but uh um, but yeah, sohonestly, I'd rather people just
put it on.
Um, if it is you're you'remainly doing it for arterial
bleeds, if you want to get downto like textbook, and that's
usually like bright red blood.

(33:30):
Um, you'll see it spurting outlike a heartbeat stream.
I mean, it's pretty significant.
Um, but even but even like avenous, like a if you get a
large uh venous rupture, youknow, you may still need that
for that too.
So, yeah, in my opinion, it'sbetter just to throw it on quick
because even because in thatcase, if you don't put it on

(33:51):
correctly, it it actually willwork even with a venous bleed
because you're doing aconstricting band, and that's
all really most venous bleedsneed, right?
So, yeah, um, so yeah, I wouldrather I'd for the layman, and
that's kind of what I'm tryingto throw at you.
I want people not to have tothink in these situations
because they're not going to beable to think, right?
Like, no one's ever gonna beready for this, no matter how

(34:12):
much training, unless you'rewe're doing it like Adrian and I
were, and like you learn tosuppress adrenaline, and it's
not the greatest thing for yourbody, but you just do, but you
have that's also context, right?
Like, even though I did it forthis long, if I stop doing my
job, I'll have an adrenalinedump like you guys, right?
When you you start losing andwhen an adrenaline dump happens,

(34:34):
you lose fine motor skills.
You I mean, I I actually broughtout the OODA loop if people want
to think about it.
Um, but that's the biggestthing.
I I think people need to learnabout the OOTO loop just because
these things happen fast, theyhappen when you're not ready.
Yeah, the the attacker isalready two steps into actually

(34:54):
three steps into the Oda loop,so you're already from behind,
right?
Like, yeah, so but that doesn'tmean you're you can't still
affect things and you stillcan't protect yourself, you
still can't take care ofyourself.
The biggest thing you need to dois you're gonna have that freeze
moment, and you need to make adecision.
It's like what I tell all mystudents, what I tell my don't

(35:16):
worry if it's a wrong decision,just make a wrong decision can
still be fixed.
Yeah, no decision people die oryou die.
Yeah, it's like it's like a car,right?
Like you can turn the steeringwheel better even in reverse
because you're still moving.
Yeah, so the Oda loop is forpeople that don't know, is fine.

(35:43):
Can you see it?
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know if it came out of aso the first step is you observe
something, right?
This came out from a I think itwas a 1950s, a fighter pilot put
together for showing decisionmaking the human process, and
it's it's really dumbed down.
There's other ones that they gointo more stuff, which to me is
stupid because in a highsensitive digit, high sensitive

(36:05):
adrenaline situation, you don'tneed complicated, right?
Yeah, so the first thing isyou're gonna observe, right?
So all of a sudden something'sgonna happen, you're gonna be
like, oh crap, what it whateveryou also known as orient, right?
You're orienting, like, what'sgoing on with all this?
You know, it's oh no, actually,that's the step the second.
So you observe somethinghappens, right?
Then you go to the orient,you're like, okay, is this a

(36:26):
danger to me?
Is this um can I do something?
Do I need to move?
What do I need to do?
You that's kind of these are thetwo freezing areas where people
are like they get they getstuck, they never move on,
right?
But if you can get past that,literally take a deep breath, it
actually helps you quite a bit.

(36:46):
Then you're gonna move to thedecide, yeah, decide.
You're gonna say, Okay, I'mgonna make that decision.
Get out of your mind if it's awrong decision or a bad a good
decision, just make a freakingdecision, and then you need to
act and do it, just start doingbecause you'd be surprised in
anything in life.
You start moving along and youput your faith in God.

(37:09):
As long as you're moving, Godwill do something with it, you
know.
So was that was that too much?
Did I go overboard?
No, that was good.

SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
No, that and that's it that's a good refresher.
We went over it a little bit uhback after what the enunciation,
yeah.
Um, but yeah, I mean, like whatpeople what what you need to
keep in mind is the orientportion of the oodle loop is
where your biases come in,right?
And your biases are good, right?

(37:37):
Like your your gut instinctkicks in, like when you look at
somebody, you're like, somethingabout this guy gives it makes me
uneasy.
And most people are gonna belike, Oh, he's racist.
I'm like, no, like there's areason your gut's telling you
something, right?
And you need to listen to that,like your your your instincts
are kicking in, and that's theorient position of it.
You're deciding is this athreat?
Is this not a threat?

(37:57):
Uh, if it is a threat, how muchof a threat it is, right?
If it's not a threat, is hegonna get in the way if I need
to do something?
There's a lot of things thatyou're kind of uh you know,
gauging around you before youget to that decide portion, and
you're saying, okay, what do Ido?
Do I run?
Do I fight back?
Do I shove a midget my way?

(38:18):
Like whatever, you know, figuresomething out, and then you act
on it, right?
Um, so yeah, no, I I agreecompletely because making making
a decision, even if it's wrong,make a decision because it can
like you say, it can always befixed.
And that was the biggest thing Ihad with my lieutenants, man,
especially if I got a boot newsecond lieutenant, like they've
got no life experience.
They basically went to collegeand went to OCS and TBS, and

(38:40):
that's it.
Right.
And a lot of times when we're onpatrol, like, sir, just make a
decision and we'll figure itout.
Right.
Um, and you know, once you startgetting used to making
decisions, it makes it easier tomake decisions.
Um, it's the it's the issuewhere you have your wife and she
never knows where to go out toeat.
Right.
And you always ask, Well, whereyou want to go?
And I'm just I just pray someonefinally opens up a restaurant

(39:03):
called I don't know whatever youwant.
Right.
So we just go there all thetime.
It'll be fries, you know, liketwo baskets of fries, and that's
it.
Right.
But um, once you get used tomaking those decisions, it's a
lot easier to make more.

SPEAKER_05 (39:15):
I was actually just talking to one of my friends, I
get I'm definitely a lot olderthan most of the people I work
with now, so I get a lot ofthese young, you know, 20 20
somethings, and like we werejust talking about this, and and
a lot of them have said, I'mlike, man, like you just gotta
make it in life, like you offerit to God and make a decision,

(39:38):
and you'll be surprised whereGod takes you, you know.
Cause like but that's the thing,we've we're in a we're in a
malaise now where no one's justeven they're too afraid to even
make that decision.
You know, oh, I don't want to dothis, I don't want to do that.
Okay, well, maybe you don't, butyou have to do that, and maybe
God will that that thing thatyou don't want to do is God's
ability to say, okay, you werewilling to do what I asked you,

(40:00):
and now I'm gonna take you towhere I want you, you know.
Yeah, and that trust in God ishuge.
And I'm not don't get me wrong,I've I've been I've messed up a
bunch of that, you know.
I have life as but honestly,like I mean, I would I I've
never not been a faithfulCatholic, unfortunately.
I mean, I know kind of dwee withthat, but I've like I I would
say by rosary on our humps andstuff, I would constantly like

(40:23):
don't get me wrong, I was Iwasn't always the greatest
Catholic, right?
But I kept trying, right?
I fell.
I still and to this day I falldown, right?
Like, you're gonna freaking falldown, man.
This world is a test, dude.
Like, but if you're too afraidand paralyzed to fall down and
don't act, then then what areyou gonna do?
Like, who what is that good foryou?

(40:45):
What is that?
You know, you're constantlyhearing all these things from
people.
Oh, do it this way, do it thisway.
What okay, take that knowledgeand screw it, but just do it and
you'll figure it out.
Like, that's honestly one of thereasons why I joined the
military.
Like, I counsel people on thatall the time.
It's like, yeah, like man, I wasin with Durham Clinton, right?
And I would honestly have to sayit's probably a lot worse than

(41:07):
even Obama because they stoleall the money.
Like, we had we would go tothings and we wouldn't we'd have
to like literally go poo-poopoo-poo because we were they
don't have any ammo, or theydidn't have any money for ammo
in the Marine Corps, you know,like it was just like, yeah,
like it it it's I'm up, excuseme.
I'm down, yeah.
But I didn't I didn't go Ididn't go into the military.

(41:28):
One, I didn't go in the militaryto hurt to kill people, but I
went into the military for anadventure so that I could learn
stuff, yeah, so I could havethat experience, have that life
experience, find it where itwent.
And I prayed all the time.
If God didn't want me to go, Iwouldn't have gone.
I mean, I wanted to stay in, Iwanted to go to war.
God had plans, other plans forme, you know.

(41:50):
Like, but and I'm I I cannotregret it because I wouldn't
have my family have now,wouldn't have you know a lot of
things, but you know, it's justthat odolu can work in real life
too, man.
Like, yeah, just freaking act.
You might not be you don't knowall the parameters for
everything, but as long as youput it in God's hands and trust

(42:13):
in Him to say, Thy will be doneand take that step forward,
right?

SPEAKER_01 (42:19):
Yeah, well, it's like uh with Hickman on X,
right?

SPEAKER_06 (42:23):
He just does things, crazy things, but he does crazy
things, but he's I don't knowthat I don't have X, and he's
fine.

SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
So he's he basically he bought like a twenty thousand
dollar house up in upstate NewYork, right?
And he has no, I mean Bill'spretty much he has you know
heats his house with a woodstove, and like if you know he's
farming his own food andeverything.
He doesn't really I don't eventhink he has a vehicle, but he's
married and has a kid, you know.
Like he just like he's notafraid to do things that are

(42:53):
shunned by secular society,right?
Like you need to have that joband you need to have that you
know eighty thousand dollar car,and you know, you have that
college degree, and like he'slike, No, he's like, I'm just
gonna have this house that isgood and it has good bones to
it, and we're gonna fix it up.
Um, and it's in a yeah, it's ina downtrodden town, but if

(43:15):
everybody moves back to thesedowntrodden towns, it won't be
downtrodden anymore.
All right, right.
And so, but what does that do,right?

SPEAKER_05 (43:20):
Like, I've always loved to lay a fixer upper
because it forces you to youlearn, you teach it teaches you
like like you've seen my likewe've been building, we've been
literally homesteading, right?
And yeah, that romantic side ofhomesteading, just let you know
if you're not ready and have theTesla fortitude, it flipping
sucks, guys.
It's not the TV, like it's hard,and the hardest part is watching
your wife having to suffer forthings, but thank god I yeah,

(43:45):
she's a small one.
But but like, yeah, I mean, likelike my wife and I got to a
point in California, like weknew we would never have a home
or have more kids because wejust couldn't afford it.
And my we I remember I remembermy wife was like, Oh, I can't
leave my family, I can't leavethis, I can't leave that.
And and I I mean I I I was thefirst one out of my house, even

(44:06):
though I was the second oldest,and I didn't really put off, you
know, I just did what I neededto do, you know.
I wanted to do stuff, right?
You can't just sit around forthings, and so then I remember
this one day they were tellingus about the you know the job in
Texas and put me in contact withanother buddy, and that night we
got you know, we went on a call,came, you know, my wife was

(44:27):
calling to say goodnight, and Iwas like, Hey, I know you don't
want to move, but they'retelling me about this, blah blah
blah blah.
And she immediately goes, Whencan we go?
Yeah, and like I'm like, What?
Like, for the last how manyyears you've been saying like
you won't go, like we're stuckhere.
And I was like, Well, you know,and then we set up a thing, and
I actually we actually moved.
We got it, we went out andvisited, saw this.

(44:48):
I moved my wife and kids outthree months before, but I
didn't even have a job yet.
But we prayed about it.
We you know, I had the money, Iwas making good money, and I
commuted for three months.
I'd stay in Texas and then flyback for three weeks in
California, and but we did it,right?
Like, so many people like, oh, Idon't want to do this too hard,
or I don't want it's like, yeah,life sucks, life's hard, man.

(45:10):
Like, I can tell you all thethings that I don't want to do,
but I have to do it, right?
Like, but you just gotta trustGod, man.

SPEAKER_01 (45:18):
Yeah, no one's gonna remember you for the job that
you have, no one's going toremember you for the car that
you own or the school you wentto.
They're gonna remember youbecause you're that guy that you
know decided that to go to therodeo and do the the crowd uh
jump on the bull event, right?
He wrote it for three and a halfseconds, got thrown off into the

(45:39):
fence, got up anyway, right?
They're gonna remember you asthe guy who who built uh every
structure on his land with thewith the wood off of his land.
They're gonna remember you asthe guy who constantly you know
gave himself at the parish.
That's what people are gonnaremember you for, for the things
that you do, whether you do themwell or not, right?
And just do them right andyou'll get better, especially

(46:02):
when you're younger and yourbody is much more forgiving.
Make mistakes then.
Because now you know I'm almost45, I'll be 45 in less than six
months.
Um, I can't I I just don't havethe ability to take some of
those risks like I did when Iwas younger, because I do not
bounce back.
And I've got young kids thatI've got to like chase around
the house and everything.

(46:22):
Uh, so I don't I don't have timeto get injured anymore.
But when you're young, man, makeall the bad decisions you can
because that's how you learn.
No one learns from doing itright the first time.
No one, that's not how lifeworks, right?

SPEAKER_05 (46:35):
So uh I don't really want to be remembered though.
I just I just want my kids todo.
I won't be remembered my by mykids.
I won't be remembered.
I don't want anyone, I want toremember, I want my grandkids to
remember me.
That's what I want to remember.
Yeah, exactly.
I still haven't figured out thenot get injured part though.

SPEAKER_01 (46:50):
Yeah, especially on a homestead.
I had a cow, an 800-pound cow,stab himself on my foot the
other day.
Uh that was and thankfully I gotmy foot out in time before I did
any damage.
But my wife has not been sofortunate.
She had a bruise on her foot forlike a year and a half.

SPEAKER_05 (47:06):
Oh, dang, it was bad.

SPEAKER_01 (47:08):
Um, so let's play that video about the counterfeit
tourniquets real quick, and thenwe'll answer the questions, and
then we'll move on to the nextitem or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
This is a counterfeit Chinese tourniquet
test.
This is the Amazon special, andwe're gonna try it out to make
sure of whether or not it fails,because a lot of people have
these in their prepper inventoryfor first aid and don't realize
how dangerous they can actuallybe.
Now, this one has not beentampered with or modified in any
way.
All they did was stage it so itcould be used for immediate use.
We're gonna go ahead and tightenit down and see if there's any

(47:42):
failure point here.
But they're having reports ofthese failing in Ukraine right
now, and they're requestingAmerican-made tourniquets
because these ones, theChinese-made ones, are not
reliable.
Oh my gosh, it feels so good.
Give yourself a tourniquet.
You should just do it every sooften to make sure you feel oh,
and there we have it.

(48:02):
The strap is broken.
Look, ready?
See that complete catastrophicfailure right there.
These are dangerous.
Make sure you get rid of theseif you have them because they
will fail you.
I have a bunch of them becauseearly on they seem like a good
deal.
They're not a good deal, you'lldie from them.
So get rid of these unless youwant to die.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (48:23):
Your life is not worth saving a couple dollars
for at all.
Where where do we where do youget good turn goods on?
There's a North American uhyeah, go ahead.
Sorry, North American Rescue isa good place.
Um, and as long as it's NorthAmerican Rescue supplied, or you
get a you know, a soft tea or aSWAT, right?

(48:44):
But cats are the easiest.
You're gonna pay like 25 bucksfor one, right?
If you have two, that's 50bucks.
Um and they'll last for a longtime.
Uh I but uh you want to stayaway from anything off of really
off of Amazon unless it's soldby North America Rescue.
Uh now Amazon has for the cat,right?

(49:04):
For the cat, yeah, for the cat.
But um there Amazon has uh shutdown a lot of these Chinese
tourniquets because of thatreason, because they're failing
on people and people are dyingbecause of it.
Uh so they've really clampeddown on it.
Uh I mean being able to findthose.
But there are some companies whostill sell them and you'll see
them for like five to ten bucks,and you're gonna think, oh,

(49:25):
that's it's the same thing.
No, it's not.
It's not as like he justdemonstrated I've never seen one
fail that fast, right?
That was that was pretty quick,but I have seen them uh fail.
Um, and it's just that's not asituation you want to be in
where you have a piece ofequipment that you're you're
depending your life on and itfails on you.
Um so do y'all have anythingelse on that?
And we'll just answer somequestions real quick.

(49:51):
No, all right.
Let's get to these questions.
You want to pull them up, Rob?

SPEAKER_06 (49:56):
Yeah.
Um we kind of went over italready, but uh, what would what
things would be good toimprovise a tourniquet with?
I know we did the triangularbandage with the the wooden
doll.
What else can people use?

SPEAKER_05 (50:10):
Like, so anything that I like the canvas, like
jeans was great.
Like if you want to tear offsome of your jeans, which is
another reason why I'd have uhsome scissors, you just want to
have it at least like probablythree inches thick, um for a
width, you know, make sure it'slong enough.
Um that's really what it is.
You just need a cloth, a cloth,two pieces, right?

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Because you need to have the onethat locks the windlass in.
Um, I've I've honestly like I'vebeen out in like in Boy Scouts
and stuff.
We've used like if we found arigid oak stick or something
like that, you know, or youknow, it doesn't even have to be
straight as long as it can applythat.
Um, like Adrian was saying, ifyou get a good metal pin, the
biggest thing is the metal pinis it it might be just too small
for whatever you're using to beable to like tie it down right

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and tie, and then like once youtwist it, can you lock it in,
right?
So just consider those kind ofthings.
Um, I know a lot of people havethose like what's those like
those tactical pins or whatever,yeah.
Those are those are kind of longenough.
I mean, they're still metal,which also goes to worry about
if it's a cheap aluminum, itmight crimp, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, but mainly you'd really wantit long enough.

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Like this is probably this one'sprobably a little bit too long,
but I mean it's per I mean butsomething within that size, or
even just a little bit shorter,you probably want at least what
it this is six inches, right?

SPEAKER_06 (51:30):
Hey, that looks huge.
That's probably eight to ten.

SPEAKER_05 (51:34):
So you want it probably close to cocktail.
That's what I said too.

SPEAKER_06 (51:36):
Yeah, so close close to what?

SPEAKER_05 (51:39):
Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 (51:43):
Uh some things I would stay away from to make
tourniquets out of any type ofsurgical tubing, any type of
stretchy material.
Right belts, not do belts.

SPEAKER_05 (51:54):
Um, no, you can well actually cabin, you can use a
belt as long as it and I haveused belts, as long as you can
um again, as long as it's atleast two finger widths, two to
three finger widths, and you canactually twist it.
Don't don't use like the ratcheton it, like you were saying,
right?
Like, yeah, you can use thebelt, don't use the ratchet on

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it, and you can use a secondarybelt to tie it down.
I've done that too.

SPEAKER_01 (52:17):
So I think the issue with a lot of belts, especially
guys in our space who have likeEDC belts, right?
They're kind of rigid, um,you're not gonna be able to get
a windless in those.
Right now, if you have like oneof the old like canvas belts,
you know, uh maybe I got arigid, yeah, I'll take it off.

SPEAKER_05 (52:35):
Um it's not it's semi-rigid, right?
But I mean, as long as you cankeep that main constricting
around it, right?
So it's instead of like bunchingup into like because you like
especially with the surgicaltube and all that kind of stuff.
One the smaller diameter, it'sgonna cause it literally will
cause tissue, you know, causeeven more stuff, and it's gonna

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be really hard to like confirmwhether or not you're actually
cutting out blood or stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (53:01):
So yeah, absolutely.
All right, let's see what elsewe have.

SPEAKER_06 (53:06):
Um what what are the differences between a
constricting band and atourniquet?

SPEAKER_05 (53:12):
A const oh uh a constricting band basically is
like you know when they put atourniquet, uh, they put they
call a tourniquet around yourarm when you draw your blood.
All that's doing is restrictingvenous bleeding, right?
And what that's also doing isit's building up the blood, so
you still have arterial flowgoing through, and that allows
the vessel to pop up for you sothey can get the stick, you

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know.
Um, a tourniquet actually goesand cuts off arterial bleeding.
Okay, now also as a caveat, youhave to also consider, like with
a femur and a humerus, they haveartery, they have a cavity that
flows blood.
So if it has a if you have asevered femur or a severed, and
you can't tourniquet that.

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Yeah, or you have to try to findsome way to go up higher, like
you might have to go to thesubclavian, and you can do like
a um you can get like a like amonster can or something.
I say monster, you can do a cokecan too.
A full white monster, it has tobe a full white monster, it
can't be a and and likebasically try to do it that way,
kind of like with the uh yeah,in the pelvic region for a

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junctional.
I mean, also like if it's open,I would just shove my fingers in
there and try to restrict thebleeding.
I had a stabbing that did I dothat, you know.
You just you brush, you go inthere, you find the I mean you
just gotta you don't save yourlife, right?
Like so you go in there and justlike kind of hold in and just
press it because your subclavianis right, you know, right below
your clavicle, and you canactually press it up into the

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into the clavicle.

SPEAKER_01 (54:38):
So um, did you ever see the uh the guy from the
Kentucky Ballistics show?
Yeah, had the BNG blow up onhim, and he basically had to
shove his thumb into his neck.

SPEAKER_05 (54:48):
Yeah.
Like it was some trick, someweird freak thing where he the
guy hit hit the um got the goaland his skate came up and
lacerated his his uh carotid.
And their doctor ran and youjust see it like spurting,

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right?
Like, and and the doctor ranfrom the sideline or this the
box and immediately went in andshoved his fingers in there and
saved his life.
And he said he and he the guywas had been a uh either a
corpsman or or a um combat medicin Vietnam and had done that
multiple times.
And they're like, if he hadn'tbeen their doctor, the dude

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would have died, you know.
So, like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:34):
Well that and we talked about that with the uh
the Charlie Kurt shooting,right?
Once you saw that shot and yousaw that initial like gallon of
blood getting like he's yeah,he's gone.

SPEAKER_05 (55:44):
Like, there's no way that was and I was like looking
back, I was thinking that thatwas I think he this is all my
opinion, but I think they Ithink it hit the jugular, it
didn't hit the carotid becauseit was yeah, it did not spurt
like I mean trust me, you youknow an RTO-break, that thing
would have shot out like aspray, like like a hose, like a
hose line.
And yeah, it was just like itwas just a gush, so he had

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immediate deeper fusion of thecarenal cavity, but it was a
venous butt, so it could havelike it would have just nicked
the EJ or the IJ, probably theEJ, and it just dumped because
it was it was dark, it was darkblood, it wasn't it, you know,
darker blood, it wasn't red.
I mean, you could definitelycould tell the difference even
from that distance, you know.
Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_06 (56:25):
Um, as a windless, can empty or full mags do the
trick as a windless?

SPEAKER_05 (56:33):
I mean, I I don't see why not.
The only thing is, is like it'spretty big.

SPEAKER_01 (56:39):
You're gonna need a lot more extra claw.

SPEAKER_05 (56:42):
It's just gonna suck.
Yeah, you're gonna have extraclaw, correct?
Yeah, so I mean, I if that'swhat you got, uh, but honestly,
like, come on, man, there'sgotta be a stick somewhere or
something, you know.
Like, yeah, I mean, get ahammer, get a friggin' uh a
pliers or something.
You gotta have oh, here you go.
Get a how many of you guys carrylike e tool or uh uh
leatherman's, yeah, you know,like something rigid that won't

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be, or even uh even a pocketknife, right?

SPEAKER_01 (57:09):
Yeah, technically, or like uh looking around
something like this as a as awindows, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 (57:15):
I got trauma shears, you could use trauma shears,
yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
Just anything rigid, as long asyou know the basic mechanics of
what's required, like yeah,anything.
I mean, that's the thing is likejust figure out um you really
need to know the like figure outhow to find pulses and stuff,
but um, I want to like stressit.

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Um, one thing also you guys canpeople can know is the cap
refill thing, you know.
Um if you squeeze the bed ofyour nail as long as the it
turns back to pink within undertwo seconds, you got good blood.
I mean, it can kind of work whenyou're putting a tourniquet.
Unfortunately, you're doing itso far away, and you're even if
a constriction ban, it'll slowthat down.

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So, like even a blood pressurecuff can slow that down.
So, yeah, yes, a buck knifewould work.
Somebody said that.

SPEAKER_06 (58:03):
Um, a lot of other questions are kind of about
other items in a first aid kit.
So maybe we want to move on.
Um, after this one, are wetalking about Tappy?

SPEAKER_01 (58:13):
Are we talking about the one inch or one and a half
inch on a um tourniquet?
Because you want it why you wantabout two inches, you want as
wide as you can get if that'swhat you're talking about.
Let us know in the chat.

SPEAKER_06 (58:27):
Because, like, most belt size, like your average
belt size is one and a halfinch.

SPEAKER_05 (58:30):
Yeah, this is one and a half inch, so yeah, you
the wider you get the better.
Yeah, I mean, the one the havingit one and a half inch is also
it can be beneficial, especiallyon the arm, because in case you
have to put two on, but youdon't normally have to put two
on.
Normally, when people are havingto put two on on an upper
extremity, it's because theydidn't put the first one on

(58:51):
right, yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
So the but you but the thighthat that can be a thing, um,
just because there's so muchmass in your thigh, and in the
United States, more people havemore mass in those thighs than
others, right?
Hey, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (59:07):
So, Chris, let's let's move on a little bit.
What about uh thing that's notan extremity?
So we've got you know a puncturewound or some type of laceration
in in the box, right?

SPEAKER_05 (59:17):
So non-compressible kind of things, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
Or so I mean your first goal always is to put
pressure on, right?
And see if it stops with that.
Um, unless it's a puncturewound, not in the chest, though,
right?

SPEAKER_05 (59:33):
Yeah, right.
So so you we differentiatebleeds from compressible,
meaning you could press on themand it could potentially stop
it, excuse me, or you have noncompressible, right, which is in
the torso, the thoracic cavity,right?
So belly wounds, right?
Chest cavity.
If you have anything above therib cage, I would, I would I

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would immediately if you got ahole, you plug it with a chest
seal, and that's yeah, it'sbasically.
I don't want to open mine, butthese are the ones, these are
the ones we use, these are theones that most people use.
Hyphen.
There you go.
Oh well, actually, this one'salready open.
I'm gonna have to go talk to myson about that.
Um, so a chest seal is basicallyit's all you know, I guess

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someone messed with it.
It's basically a plastic sealwith a bunch of gel uh adhesive
that's gonna stick over thatover the wound, right?
Because let me see.
So first thing is if you havesomeone shot, right?
You need to find the wounds,right?
So we call it stripping andflipping.

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Um so like when your mom alwayssaid we're clean anywhere you go
outside, doesn't really matterbecause we're gonna take it all
off.
So um you wanna you literallyhave to cut off all their
clothes because and look attheir back, look at their, you
know, all extra because bulletsdo weird things, man.
Like, um, and so uh you want tofind those holes because if you

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plug the one out here, but thenthey're leaking out the back or
from or out of the side of theneck or something, it there's no
point, right?
So you want to make sure youhave it, put the chest seals on
it.
That'll keep that'll at leastplug it in so it'll be bleeding
on the internally, right?
Um, something like upwards um inthe like lung lung region.

(01:01:26):
Um, just be aware if they startdeveloping things like uh having
real trouble breathing, what youwant to do is kind of release
take off that chest seal for abit so that air can be released
in case of the potentialcollapsed lung, and that can re
reinflate it, hopefully, andthen put it back right now.
That's secondary, just just keepit there, right?

(01:01:48):
Like, you know, yeah, don't cutmy scapula.
Um, but uh yeah, you'll do that.
Um, abdominal wounds, there'snot really much you can do for
those.
Just make sure if there's stuffsticking out, make sure you just
push it back in or or make sureit's wet, you know, you want to

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keep that wet.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:10):
Um yeah, I mean and you can make them out of things,
right?
If you've got a ziploc bag andsome tape, right?
You can make a chest seal out ofit.
One of the big things if you ifyou run out of chest seals, you
can use the packaging, the chestseal comes in with some tape.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:25):
Right, right.
Yeah, what what is it?
What we used to be taught in theMarine Corps, like we uh we get
the um the compression bandageplastic for the like sucking
chest wounds, and like becauseit was supposed to be sterile on
the inside, but honestly, whogives a crap about sterility
when you're trying to savesomeone's life?
And then you'd put that down andthen you tape that on top with a
bulky dressing, right?
Like, so like you can use theplastic.

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Um, you can use the this plasticand this these wraps, you know,
if you want to.
Yeah, you're just trying to makesure stuff stays inside.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:53):
Um anything that's non-permeable, you can use in an
MRE packaging, like this, right?
The whole anything that you justcan't get through a lunch
triple's cover.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:04):
Um, what else?
Uh oh, we used that's anotherthing.
We before we got a lot of uh wegot our supply, um, we would
often use um AED pads.
So you just just tear off thethe wires.
Unfortunately, in a masscasualty, you may need, but we
need an AD, but butunfortunately, you we usually

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don't resuscitate in a masscasualty.
If you're dead, you're dead, youstay dead.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:30):
So um so let me let me ask your opinion on this
because this is good this it'sbeen when I was in it, you know,
when I was still doing this, itwas kind of uh argument.
Was you got in the neck a woundin the neck, because you can't
put a tourniquet on a neck.
I mean you can, but you knowpeople I want to put a
tourniquet on, but yeah.
Are you putting an inclusivedressing on the neck too?

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:51):
I mean, you can.
Uh I honestly in the neck, I'dbe packing the wound.
Or I first I'd reach in and makesure to see if I can catch the
artery and then occlude it, orI'd put in some um hemostats in
there and clamp it off.
Um, but yeah, normally I'd packit.
That's kind of uh actuallythat's what we were talking
about.
Um what are your thoughts on uhthe quick clot stuff?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:17):
I like the gauze, I don't like the powder.
Yeah, because you know,especially in in civilian
medicine, as we are both in.
You talk about like this, thissort of stuff powder, they have
to go in and certainly remove.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:29):
Yeah, Cheeto gauze.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:31):
Yeah, yeah.
So the gau.
So right, like so the gauze Ican see definitely a benefit too
because you're still putting itinto the wound, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Um the powder, it what you'retrying to do is you're just
trying to make a clot, right?
So you can't get confirm you gota clot just by dumping that
stuff in.
Plus, if you've ever put that onsomebody, it flipping hurts,

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man.
Yeah, it actually burns tissue,it actually damages tissue.
Um, surgeons hate it, it's justvery hard to get all that out.
Um, whereas if you have thegauze, it has that impregnated,
so it's assisting the packing,right?
And so by you packing it, youconfirming your fingers are in
there, you're confirming, you'reputting it in.
Um uh, and you're getting you'rebasically turning that big old

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thing into a clot and havingthose extra factors in there, um
just it increases your chances,you know.
So, and when they go to surgery,all they literally do is grab it
and just start pulling it out,you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:31):
So it's like and I know we we didn't use it at the
department I was at because younever know if somebody's gonna
have a shellfish allergy, right?
Because you can't use that onsomebody with a fish.
Yeah, it depends.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:42):
Well, it depends.
Some of them have like they'relike, I don't know if they've
gone away from the potatostarch.
Um, there's some other stuff,but yeah, honestly, I mean we we
have like our SWAT medics haveit, but even they even they
would use wound packing.
Um we we did a we did a um wewould we race on cadavers and

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see how fast because we can youcan you can uh they put in uh
bloodlines that so that we havefluid going.
We try to pack the uh and youcan actually pack really fast.
Like you can get as good as likeyou can probably pack a wound as
fast as like someone put atourniquet on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:17):
So yeah, um do you did you ever do the do you never
did the pig sticking course?
No.
Man, that was invaluable.
Yeah, so let me let me kind ofjust like break down what the
pig sticking course was in theMarines for those that are maybe
not familiar.
So in the Marines, before wewent uh overseas and you know
went to Afghanistan or Iraq,when you especially you knew you

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were gonna be going outside thewire, you were required to take
a course where basically theyput a uh pig and kept it uh
under anesthesia, basically,keeping it a spot.
A vet that's there.
Um and I think I guess they Ithink they had it on like
propofol and something else.
But anyway, um and they wouldshoot it, stab it, all kinds of

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stuff, and you'd have to go inand fix it, right?
And you would do it throughoutthe day.
Like this thing, this one pigwould get you know shot,
stabbed, uh blown up, whatever,and you'd have to fix it.
And I remember we we got a lotof flack for it because it was
you know animals, but that savedso many lives in Afghanistan
because we knew what to actuallydo.

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Yeah, because what they would dois like you would turn away from
the pig and then you'd hear thegunshot go off, or you'd hear
nothing, which means he gotstabbed, and then you got to
find where it was stabbedbecause fighting stab moves can
be really hard sometimes.
I forgot that would and you andthey're like, All right, turn
around, you gotta fix it.
Right?
So you're you're doing whateveryou can, you're throwing
tourniquets on, you're packingwounds, whatever, put inclusive

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dressings on.
But I tell you the one thingthat I remember from that the
most is when we had the pigopened up, and all they did was
put a little nick on the aortaor on the uh on the um the
aorta, right?
I'm my blanking on it.
Probably, yeah, and it would itfilled up the cavity.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:00):
They put on the I mean he probably would he would
still bled out on the aorta.
You mean maybe like the venacava?
He probably did the vena cava.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:06):
It filled up that cavity in like five seconds.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:08):
Yeah, the vena cava will still do it.
It's just I mean, if you do anartery, I mean that's that's
under such high pressure.
That I mean, you hit the aorta,you're you're you're bled out in
like less than 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:16):
So it's like yeah, it was insane how quickly it it
bled out.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:21):
Yeah, but um that commander tell you that uh
taught us the tourniquets andwas in Mogad.
He was he was in all he was aPJs and all that stuff.
Um he now does that's that's heworks for that the company that
goes around and does all thatstuff.
So I always thought it's I meanit's a perfect thing if you've
never seen those things, right?
Um as of now, I don't reallyneed a pig class because I've

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seen enough.
But but yeah, I remember I don'tknow, should I tell an or story?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:50):
Go for it, man.
I will say the one thing that Istill find funny is when I still
see guys like Navy SEALs tellingyou you should carry a tampon on
you to plug gunwinds with.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:02):
Yeah, well, I uh I kind of argue for that in some
if that's all you have, becausethe problem, the biggest problem
with a tampon though, is it'smeant to soak up blood, right?
And so yeah, but eventually itgets saturated and that will
clot, so it still will work likea packing.

(01:09:24):
Um unfortunately I know right.
I just uh I think I think it'suh if there if that's all you
have, I don't think it's as badas everyone goes out to be.
I I still think you should packa wound with this and stuff, you
know.
Um what was what was that?
Okay, I'm sorry.
This is we call it Curlex, it'sit's it's basically a big bulky

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dressing.
Um, I like these, I carry thesearound.
Um, you can use it forbandaging, you know, holding a
dressing in place.
Um, use it for wound packing.
What I like a lot of is if Ihave a major bleed or something
on trauma, I'll actually take itout and use the whole roll,
shove it on the wound, and thenwrap it to it.
Because now I have I alreadyhave a bulky dressing, there's

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no point of unraveling it when Ican get some sort of coban
elastic uh tape to go around it,you know.
Because that and that'll be athat's a perfect bulky dressing
and one big old thing.
So I'll like I'll immediatelyjust like if I have a wound here
or something or a wound on theR'll just do it like that, wrap
it in, and I don't even have toI'll take it out of the package
first, obviously.

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But yeah, um, but yeah, theseare really good for a lot of
things, you can do a lot ofthings with this.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:30):
So when you when you say wound bagging, what exactly
do you mean and what's whatwhat's the point of it?
What are you trying toaccomplish with it?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:38):
So I kind of made up something.
This is some pig skin orwhatever.
Um, so say you have a lacerationand it's constantly bleeding out
here.
You have depending on where youhave a lot of tissue in there,
it can get in, like you canbleed out three liters, I think,
or more of blood just into yourthigh.
Um, so what you're trying to dois you're trying to get a clot

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made.
So by packing it, you'redecreasing the the volume of
that whole, whatever hydrostaticpressure is made, whatever
anything has been going on, andyou're giving it like a matrix,
you're giving it an ability forthe clotting factors to go and
and clot, right?
So you're basically you'reinitially gonna like sorry, it's

(01:11:26):
kind of hard to do on thisscreen.
You want to get in there and youwant to take take your gauze,
keep your feet one finger inthere, and you're just gonna
start pushing it in there.
Take this gauze, push it inthere, get as deep as you can,
just keep going, just keep andyou can do it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:40):
You're just shoving as well.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:42):
And you're just shovering and shovering,
shovering until you cannot getany more on, and then take this
and wrap it around and advise,and then yeah, so and then
constantly be checking pulses,constantly checking all that
kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:54):
So and you're you're doing that for wounds you can't
tourniquet, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:58):
Correct, correct.
Or even a really good.
I mean, I do it for a reallyheavy uh venous bleed, but yeah,
for things you can't tourniquet.
So like a lot of pelvic cavitykind of things, or pelvic pelvic
girdle kind of stuff.
So yeah, we we would do it inlike the we where we practice it
was mainly the thigh.
The thigh is really the biggestplace because like especially

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like a stab wound, you don't youmight be able to just block it
off without with just packingit, you know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:24):
Okay.
And you recommend that that umthat bulky dressing for that?

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:32):
Oh, a hundred percent.
That's what they use in thehospitals and what we use, yeah.
Sorry, I'm kind of going fast,aren't I?

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:40):
No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:43):
Listen, I'm just looking through my iPad.
What else will we want to gothrough?

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:47):
Um, I mean, so I the I have one that I I I just
bought as what as is right.
So I don't know if how much ofthis stuff is worth it or not.
So I have I have the thetourniquet, um, I have the
hyphen vent chess seals.
Um, how many at least two chestseals do you recommend?

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:07):
I would at least have two, right?
Because in case you have becauseyou're not you're not always
gonna have an you're not alwaysgonna have to entrance and act
exit win, right?
So make sure Joe Joey Diodatiknows that.
So just kidding, he he commentedon that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:20):
And remember, like one chest seal or two chest
seals can actually be fourbecause you can use the
packaging.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:29):
Um so have uh also have tape.
I keep so yeah, mine came with alittle more expensive, but I use
transport tape, it's like IVtape, but this will stick
through blood and everything,and it's got little holes in it.
Um, it's a lot more stickier.
Um, they do have other type,like a lot of the cloth tape

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isn't the best unless you getlike a at least a two-inch, a
two-inch thickness, so you canget more surface area for
contact for the adhesive.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:00):
Mine came with NAR flat tape two inches wide.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:03):
Oh, perfect.
That's actually really good.
I have that it's like surgicaluh surgical tape, so it's kind
of like a cloth, extra adhesive,almost like a stereo strip.
Um I have I have a bunch ofrolls of that from when I worked
in the OR.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:17):
Um, I know we had talked a little about about like
um like uh so I have that thatCheeto Cheeto gauze, but then it
also came with uh hemostat gauzedressing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:32):
Yeah, so the and that's fine.
That's that just means you'recovering it up and any leakage
out, it'll it'll get the um thematerial that causes the clot
for you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:14:43):
Um let's see here, what else I got?
Uh some compressed gauze.
I I mean uh that's just normalgauze, I would imagine.
Just the compressed gauze can beused for balloon packing.
That's perfect for that's whatwe're doing.
Okay.
Four-inch emergency traumadressing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:59):
Yep, that's a that's like a pressure dressing.
Okay, and then kind of like anIsraeli dressing.
Sorry guys.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:06):
What is an Esmark bandage?

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:09):
Let me see.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:11):
Can you open it?

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:19):
It it feels like silicone rubber.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:22):
Almost oh okay.
It's it's basically you're usingthat as a pressure, like so.
You'll use the um the uh thebulky uh trauma dressing, yeah.
You'll slap that on and you'lluse that.
You can use that like around thearound the chest.
Remember like those old Vietnamuh pictures of the guys with the
big pressure dressing on andthey have that the straps?

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You can use that for that.
Um, you can like I actually useI don't tell people to carry
this because but um where did Iput it?
I I keep uh six, seven-inch uhum elastic bandage.
Elastic bandage is great for somany things, um holding and
dressing.
So that's basically what thatis.

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Unfortunately, I think it lookslike you might have to tie that
one.
It doesn't have any kind of likeclip retainers or anything.
No, nothing like that.
So you just have to tie it likea knot, which is actually good
because then you can get asignificant pressure on it.
Yeah, the big thing I also likedoing with the um elastic
bandages is I'll I'll bandage upmy wounds and then I'll put the

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elastic bandage on with an icepack or something like that,
which helps decrease bleedingand stuff like that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:31):
So that's everything that was in that kit.
What else would you recommend?
Um I would get uh moretourniquets, obviously.
You said two.
This one only came with one.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:46):
And you and you what what do you what are you wanting
to use this for?

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:51):
Well, so this was it basically an IFAC that I had put
in the front pocket of my fannypack.
So yeah, just something likethat.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:01):
So like an everyday use, maybe thing, or yeah, in
case so or you want becausethat's specific, a lot of that
stuff can be basically specificfor like a blowout or any kind
of like major trauma, but youdon't use that every day, right?
So what you normally want to behaving is like I said, I throw
it, I get a little ziploc, thoselittle little small bags and put

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some like Tylenol and ibuprofenin there.
Um, if you're gonna use any kindof like ointment or um um triple
antibiotic, I would get makesure you have the ointment.
Don't use the cream.
Um, the ointment is actually forlike a lot of wounds, they'll
actually just let the wound beopen after they've flushed it,
and they'll actually have youput lanolin gel after you after

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trusting dressing changes everycouple days because the the um
ointment actually keeps dirtfrom coming in, keeps it almost
sterile.
Um, so I maybe keep that around.
That's really good for likelittle small cuts.
Um, the biggest thing iscleaning out, cleaning out
wounds, soap and water, flushingthem with a lot of water, and
then putting some, you know,drying it a little bit.

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Um, but you want to keep thewound actually a little bit of
moist, a little moist for awhile because that helps helps
the circulation, helps thegrowth regrowth of the um of the
tissue.
Um, I know back old days to be,oh, you know, you want it to get
a uh you wanted to get a um ascab.
It's like, well, yeah,eventually you do, but the

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longer you have not have a scaband pro especially like deeper
injuries, the the better.
That makes sense.
Um, I'd also throw in actuallysome super glue.
Okay.
Which is super easy to get,right?
Um, I know I know they have Iknow they have uh medical uh
super glue.

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It's a little bit different,it's a little they made it
because supposedly it it superglue can like heat up and cause
other damage, but honestly, likeI've fixed tons of lacerations
on myself and family, and theone that the medical safe one
just doesn't always stick ifthat makes sense.
Like, so actually I like liquidband-aid, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:15):
Liquid band so bad, but you know it's burning
because it's working, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:20):
Um but yeah, I just I literally just get go to like
Harbor Frott and or Walmart andjust get a bunch of and I keep a
bunch of those in all my firstaid kits, they work great.
Um maybe get some stereo.
Did they have stere strips?
They had that the cloth tapethat would kind of work because
that can kind of that's kind oflike a a butterfly bandage to

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pull like a laceration together.
Um so I'm thinking, did you havescissors in there?
No, yeah, get some scissors.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:49):
I I do have I do have some some surgical sheets,
they're literally like thosetrauma shears.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:54):
You can get like a pair of them for like nine bucks
on Amazon or eBay or somethinglike that.
It's pretty easy to get, andthey work you you can cut a
penny with them, even the cheapones.
So I mean they work good.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:06):
Um what what what would you need those for in uh
in such like what what wouldthat likely be used for?

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:14):
I mean expose exposing wounds, cutting
material to make more turn.
Cutting clothes off, yeah, allthat kind of stuff.
Like you you have to you have toexpose the wounds, you have to
cut the clothes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:24):
I like I like these, these are called rip shears
because the thing I hated themost when I was a paramedic was
actually cutting up someone's soI would make a small slit and
then I would turn it around andit's got a blade here, and I
would just run it across andjust cut it all.
It's kind of like you know, umwrapping paper cutter, right?
You just run it and then justcut it up, they're closed off

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real fast.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:46):
That's funny.
Like literally, like three daysago, I just had to I had a I
have a I had a really youngmedic, and he's just like
sitting.
I'm like, dude, we need to stripand flip them, we gotta get them
up, go, you know, and um hestarted like literally with
clothes, most especially the waythey make clothes now.
You just have to do one snip andyou just tear it, right?
You gotta cut where the cutwhere the neck is like the this
part and maybe this, and thenyou just tear the whole clothes,

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but then you also have to cutthrough the like you're wearing
jeans, right?
You gotta cut through those, yougotta cut the shoes off, you
gotta cut everything off, cutbelts off is a big thing, you
know.
Um yeah, you'd be surprised howoften you would use those
scissors, Rob.
So that that's definitely aneed, I think, in any kind of
thing.
So um I've had to use knives,it's not always the safest, you
know, when you're no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:28):
So if you think about it, say you say you go
into a uh a situation wherethere's been an active shooter
and you see somebody in theground, right?
And you don't see an immediatebleeding on somebody, but
they're down, they're notgetting up, right?
First thing you're gonna do isyou want to one.
We used to call it the bloodsweep, right?
Or or the blood hug, right?
You you want to kind of put yourarms underneath them, see if
there's any blood come out thebackside, too.

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You're looking and you'relooking at your hands, see if
you've got any blood on yourhands, right?
Or just roll them over.
Yeah, roll them over, right?
You can take that way too.
Um, but you first thing you wantto look for is like any type of
massive bleeding because nothingelse matters at all.
It doesn't matter if they'rebreathing or anything else.
If they're massively bleedingand you don't stop that, they're
not gonna live, no matter what.

(01:22:09):
Right.
So the first thing you alwayswant to stop is a massive bleed.
Now, how much we want to getinto the nitty-gritty of
checking airways, right?
You can always do the head tiltchain lift method or or
whatever.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:20):
I think for this, like the march is just kind of
you can go that later.
I mean, that's you just need tostop in these situations.
Like, imagine like a churchshooting, right?
Like, and I'm talking to themoms, right?
Like, just free, just do whatyou can, you know.
Grab your kids around.
Anybody's injured, just starthaving start telling them start

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doing stuff.
Let's start taking care of this,keep yourself protected, get
into a safe position, and juststart fixing stuff.
Don't worry, and the otherstuff's gonna come and go, don't
worry about CPR stuff.
Like, yeah, we can go over chestcompression only CPR because
that's really all you're gonnaneed to do.
Um, but yeah, just you needunfortunately, you're just gonna
you're gonna have to cut themout.
Now, I need a caveat thisbecause yes, we strip and flip

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the people, right?
So there's a thing called atrauma triad.
Do you know about this, Adrian?
The trauma triad.
Yeah, so um so what's gonna killpeople is they can't clot their
blood, right?
So one of the the the things areis hypothermia, hypoxia, and uh

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hyper hype higher pH, right?
So you can't fix the pH.
The hypoxia you can fix withoxygen, but that's only
happening because they'rebleeding out.
And what happens is when theyget hypothermic, they stop
clotting.
When they get hypoxic, they stopclotting when their pH gets too
stop clothing.
So once you strip and flip them,the next thing as soon as you

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found it, don't worry about ittill you found and stopped the
bleeding, but you need to startwarming them up because, like,
they I mean, ever almosteverybody like in the combat
zones, all that stuff, theywould be like they'd be in the
middle of the desert, it'd be110, 20 degrees, and they'd be
hypothermic because they'relosing blood, right?
So but you need to strip andflip them because you it's that

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none of that matters if youhaven't plugged the hole.

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:14):
So, do you recommend having like some of those
emergency space blankets in yourkit?

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:19):
100%.
Yeah, we that's we we use uh theyellow space blankets.
Um, we turn the heaters on, eveneven a hundred degree
temperature outside, we willhave the back of the ambulance
blowing hot heater.

SPEAKER_06 (01:24:31):
So because I have you know three, four of those
and like uh a backpack anytime Igo out, you know, hunting or
hiking in the woods orsomething, but I've never
thought about putting those intospecifically into a first aid
kit.

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:43):
Yeah, and and honestly, like and fluorate for
uh a blowout kit, it's probablyimportant now.
But also understand like thosethose blankets rely on your own
body heat, yeah, and they'realready having issues.
So I would still do it, and thenI would maybe put another
blanket over top of them.
Or or maybe put a blanket overthem and then that so they don't

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lose that heat.
Right, but even like give them asweatshirt, give them your
clothes, give them, you know,like I mean, I know you live in
the winter place, like I'm sureyou have tons of other stuff,
you know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:13):
Like I live in frozen, yes, you're right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:18):
You guys have antelope and uh or uh reindeer
and stuff, right?
So yeah, I mean I I know we'rethrowing a lot of this stuff out
there, and and I know it scarespeople, and they don't want they
want to learn, they don't wantto be, but they're not gonna be
ready.
Like, take take what we'regiving you.

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That it's it's basic, just stopthe bleeding, find the bleed,
find the injury and stop thebleeding and get to safety.
Actually, probably get to safetyfirst, but you know.
Um I don't want to I don't wantto freeze people with the
knowledge because they can stilldo amazing things by getting to
safety and stopping thebleeding.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:59):
It's not there's a lot of there's a lot of good
resources if y'all want to takeclasses.
Um, you know, Dark Angel Medicalout of Texas is really good.
Um, you've got refuge medical,which does some really good
training.
Um, or if you could just findsomebody at your parish, maybe
who is a paramedic, right?
And they could put on a quick Ttriple C course, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:20):
Uh or a cop a lot of cops have it now, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:23):
Yeah, so there's no reason that if you're really
interested in this stuff notlearning about it, right?
Uh, but if you just know how,like Chris was saying, if you
just know how to stop any typeof bleeding first, um, you know,
that you're already well aheadof the game and being able to
operate under stress uh is is agood test if you can do some

(01:26:44):
type of training with yoursecurity team that's being
established, uh, because I'mseeing it all over the place
right now where security teamsare being put up everywhere.
Um I've got a parish just northof me.
This is what I never thoughtthis priest would do it, but
he's establishing one.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:58):
Um Samantha wanted to know about wound closures.
Just get threaded or needle.
Yeah, it should it should hitsthe fan.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:07):
You got a stapler in the car?

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:09):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, honestly, those staplersare they're like 10 bucks a
piece.
I mean, but they're one-timeuse.
But I mean, I but if you cansew, you can suture it's it's
not hard.
Like, are you gonna be doingplastic surgery and doing deep
wound?
No, like, but just you canstitch it up, you can keep it

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clean.
I mean, but the biggest thingwith that is you must clean the
crap out of that wound.
You need to make sure all asmuch dirt as you can gets out of
there, and even that probablyput in the the petroleum jelly
or the on the you know the thelanolin uh jelly in there, and
then and then once you suture itup, you know, because that'll
all absorb in and stuff.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:50):
So you'd realistically only be doing that
in in a scenario where you'renot likely to have other medical
attention forces.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:58):
Right, she said for when shit hits the fan.
Okay, we can have a whole notherstory on that.
Yeah, I got a lot of stuff onthat.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:14):
Um, let's see what other questions we have here.
Um so you you talked abouthaving Tylenol and ibuprofen.
Um, I guess for those who don'tknow, what are the differences?
What what what would each beused for?
And then someone asks, how longdo those type of painkillers
last?
And are they still viable afterthe expiration date?

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:36):
Um, yes, they're completely viable after the
expiration dates for a long,long time.
I was working in a pharmacy whenFDA made the two-year, and
that's just basically for drugcompanies to make more money.
Um, so anything that's in a pillform is gonna last for a long
time.
It there might be a minordecrease in ability.
Um, so I usually get we get onthe ambulance, and and that's

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because of a 20-year study thattylenide profane are are better
than any kind of narcotic painreliever.
Um, especially since like allthose pain like hydrocodin,
bicidin, oxycontin, they allhave tylenol in them, right?
So tylenol is the actualanalgesic pain killer.
That's the one that goes to theactual nerve ending and blocks

(01:29:20):
the pain.
The the opiates that go in thereinvolve is it's just so you
don't care, right?
Basically, you can handle thepain because about 40% of pain
is is fear, anxiety.
And you know, the because theythink of oh, what is it?
What's happening?
Am I gonna get worried?
It starts precipitating andyou're in hurting, right?
Yeah, if you can knock that out,then the pain isn't as hard,

(01:29:43):
right?

SPEAKER_06 (01:29:44):
So um my wife's first C section.
Um, so she has a crushed disc inher back, and she was gonna do
um uh a vaginal birthoriginally.
So they did uh the epidural, butthen when they decided.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:00):
to do an emergency section they had to do the the
spinal block and they decided topush the spinal block in right
at this right with the epiduralwhere they had done that well i
guess that was right where shehad the crush discs and that
extra pressure on those discscaused it she felt like she was
being bisected you know rightright where that was happening

(01:30:21):
and it threw her into a a apanic attack because of all the
pain um so they gave her versedyou know and and she was still
in pain she doesn't remember itat all anymore at yeah because
it has an am it has an amnesiceffect and that's one of the
things like so we would likewhen you go to a surgery they'll
give you like a benzo um versedis a big one Valium um propofol

(01:30:47):
do it um they call it the milkof amnesia because they cause
amnesia right so when you gothrough a an injury or a surgery
your body has a normal responseright so if you can block that
with amnesia it actuallyincrease it decreases healing
time it actually improves youroutcome and because you don't
have those your body's beingshocked believing it's not

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having these other traumas to itdoes that make sense so back to
the Tylenol and ibuprofentylenol is a true analgesic
meaning a pain killer um it alsodoes things like it's an
antipyretic which um lowers yourtemperature for fevers and it
does that through um it slowsyour metabolism down which is
can be good for a lot ofdifferent things um I often take

(01:31:31):
it just to kind of help myselfsleep because it can bring
myself down to sleep temperaturequicker.
I tend to not sleep very welland or ever um so that helps um
um and ibuprofen is uh an an anon a non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory which sayingit's a non-steroidal it's just

(01:31:51):
not a derivative of steroid butit does almost the exact same
thing stopping plasticlandinrelease stopping you know so
that is an anti-inflammatorymeaning that so it goes at your
pain a different way so whereasthe analgesic goes directly to
the nerve ending blocking thatpain response acetylcholine and
all that stuff to causing thethe nerve the nerve action to go

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ibuprofen will decrease theswelling stop block the
inflammatory response so thatthat swelling that would
normally be causing you the painisn't there so we give it we
give both those together becauseyou don't know what's causing
the pain and it still can helpright because a lot of those
prostaglandins with I meanpretty much everything's

(01:32:36):
inflammatory response right anykind of issue any kind of
illness it's an inflammatoryresponse so um just like you can
take ioprofen for allergies it'sactually great for allergies
because it stops yeah it stops alot of things like that so um so
yeah so I would take from thoseanother thing I'd also add and I
don't know why I didn't say itfor because I use it a lot is um
is diphenhydramine which is umvinadry venidry right so venid

(01:33:01):
is amazing for it when it'sgiven with like tyanol or
ibuprofen because back to theanxiety the fear response it
stops that on top of that it'san antiametic meaning it stops
vomiting nausea it's also it canactually if you have any kind of

(01:33:21):
a GI uh gastrointestinal painlike stomach pain rectal pain
it'll stop that because it stopsthe spasms and that's what's
causing the pain so having thosethree pills or those three
medicines is probably one of thebigger things you can do if that
makes sense.
And I mean a Benadryl maybe giveliquid because you can give it
for um because oftentimes whenpeople you know they can't

(01:33:44):
swallow pills but you can put itin the gum line and it'll absorb
or it'll leak down through thethroat.
So it'll you can actually put itjust on the tongue and you can
absorb almost as fast as an IVso or an IM injection.
So as far as the Tylenol andibuprofen if someone's unable to
swallow those pills how do youadminister them I don't know if
I can say I'll never I'm t youlet they actually you can

(01:34:14):
actually crush them up and putthem in like a like maybe bring
up keep around like a um like asyringe or something an empty
syringe and then you can putlike crush it up throw it in
there put some water or somejuice in there shake it up and
then just cut and make sure ifyou do it you do on the side of
the gums kind of like whenyou're giving medicine to a kid
so it'll kind of like absorbstill and just like you don't
want to make them gag and throwup but yeah but you can't do it

(01:34:38):
the other way that I can't sayno in pill form right just yeah
you can do it the college fratway I guess oh my gosh sorry I
can get really bad I'm sorryit's the whiskey it's drinking

(01:34:59):
it through the mask I don'tthink all are noticing this
daddy why does my Shrek masksmell like whiskey I'm not too
complicated am I I no you'refine this is a lot of this is

(01:35:20):
just introduction because youknow I I want people to just be
able to have a cursory knowledgewhat they need to have the
things that they're most worriedabout right especially in these
situations that keep poppingoff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:30):
But you're not worried about you know uh an
anaphylactic shock that'sshooting right like we're not
worried about that right we'reworried about hey we need to
stop this this blood from comingout of the body and we need to
keep them warm uh that waythey're able to stay alive
because you're not dead untilyou're warm and dead right yeah

(01:35:50):
uh so this is really the thebiggest thing I wanted to go
over and kind of go over somethings that we keep in here you
know because you can make theseyou can make an IFAC out of
anything this is a a pouch Ijust bought and stuffed it with
a bunch of stuff that I like andI just keep it in my backpack.
And when it's not in my backpackit's in the back seat or it's
behind my driver's seat rightbecause I don't always keep it

(01:36:10):
in my backpack but I'm alwaysnear my car.

SPEAKER_06 (01:36:13):
You can find perfect cheap pouches at like any
military surplus too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:17):
Yeah on and and like uh fishing tackle a little small
tackle boxes those are great forthings especially like holding
pills and stuff I mean I I knowwe're doing it all this to try
to save like the trauma but Imean I think it I mean do you
guys still have that video I didlike what five years ago and I
actually broke out my wholefirst aid kit and tried to
explain stuff.
I mean I could do it againprobably and send it to you and

(01:36:38):
I'm sure it's but I mean thetelegram we'll we'll look for
it.
All right because because I meanhonestly like moms and dad like
we get we get called for thingsthat they should have never
called an ambulance for peoplejust don't don't like the the
joke the joke in school isalways oh you're gonna go in
that 3 a.m toe pain and I'm likeyeah you will because I just did

(01:37:00):
one like I've done more theyliterally oh my toe's been
hurting how many days three dayswhat did you do about it oh
nothing called you 3 a.m likeit's like and I don't I'm not
trying to like I still take careof my well but it's like I know
moms and dads just want to beable to take care of their kids
right like I don't take care oftheir family like and honestly
like I I I've always been kindof a cynical or prepper kind of

(01:37:23):
guy like I think that time'scoming faster than people
realize that we need to startlearning how to take care of
each other and take care of ourour our own you know like yeah
so I mean having a first aidhaving medical stuff like which
is honestly what most peopleused to know like I I was
telling somebody on the telegramthe other day like I remember

(01:37:44):
sitting in my emt class thefirst basic class or whatever
and they're teaching likethey're teaching splinting and
bandaging and and people werejust like oh like asking these
questions and I was just lookingaround going you guys don't know
how to do this you know like Ilearned that when I was like
five and six years old likeGhost you know like and that's
what people used to do rightlike when they were they lived

(01:38:06):
in the that they were self youknow but now everyone's so
scared they want someone else tomake that decision for them and
but that's not that's not theirfault in a way like it's just
the way society is these phoneswe have like constantly keeps
people in constant fear all thetime you know and I just I
honestly just want to take onpeople to take care of you know

(01:38:27):
like I like taking care ofpeople I like educating them and
it's out there you know theythey can do it they just have to
get the info you know yeah haveyou ever thought about putting
on training classes um I used toactually have a business like I
used to teach first aid CPR uhACLS and yeah I mean I I'd love
to I mean I would do it forpeople I'd love to do I even go

(01:38:49):
to your I mean if like I told umI put together a whole action
plan security action plan for umAlex for his church and school
and sent it to him so I guessthey're still reviewing it but
um yeah I mean I'd love to do Idude if you can give me a give
me a cot in a closet somewhereI'd go teach some stuff so and

(01:39:10):
some whiskey and some whiskeyshould I should have had you
teach a class after the baptismyesterday yeah right I should
have I should have flown you'dhave been awesome this is how we
deliver a baby for those of youthat are gonna baptize in the
future yeah you catch that'sreally all I do is catch oh you

(01:39:31):
delivered a baby I caught itlike the mom does love
delivering with help as we livefrom the the hospital that is a
a very real possibility for mein the future yeah no yeah that
we had a our last child we wentin early and like my wife was
induced it was the only one weever did because we just lived
so far away but you know butit's a thing I mean do we do we

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keep concussion victims awakebecause you see that you see
that in every TV show I get thatall the time no we do not it
doesn't matter that so it andhonestly that's it's a so one
sleep helps you repair that'swhen your body repairs um the

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the fear was is because it whichand what you're not looking for
like you let them sleep but umwhat they're we tell them like
what you're worried about is ifyou can't wake them up like and
I'm not talking about like heyhey hey and it like within like
a few seconds or a minute theywake oh wait well what's going
on like because they're reallytired they got an injury or
whatever I'm talking about youcan't wake them up you know and

(01:40:39):
so no you let them sleep theyneed to sleep um just be aware
like and we talk about ifthey're vomiting um and we're
talking about like exorcistvomiting we're not talking about
just like I'm throwing up youknow and those are things and
honestly like you're not gonnareally see a lot of that with
concussion because a concussionisn't really is a bruise on the
brain TV's really overblown alot of that stuff I mean it's

(01:41:02):
still concerned but what we'reworried about is the bleed like
right TBIs like for real.
Right right I mean yeah I meanwe yeah I mean I've been hit in
the head so many times I don'tknow what I got but still like
um but yeah like it it it'sdefinitely a concern but you're
just trying to yeah let themsleep please let them sleep yeah

(01:41:26):
for your sake and for theirsyeah um let's see what else here
um I don't know how relative orI don't know if this one well
I'll just read it someone haslow press blood pressure or
heart condition and they arebleeding out in order to keep
the heart pumping would yourecommend artificial adrenaline

(01:41:48):
you're carrying artificialadrenaline on you I was
wondering that's what I waswondering I'm like what what do
you mean by artificialadrenaline we're talking like
epine like epipins like an epipen maybe pin um no um because
you're gonna make them bleedfaster yeah the heart condition
and all that stuff it's now lowblood pressure they're gonna

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have low blood pressure rightespecially after a bleed they're
bleeding you're gonna have evenlower blood pressure i the blood
pressure part possibly we dogive we wait to a very
significant amount of time uhbut we do give pressors and
trauma when I first started wedidn't give pressors and trauma
meaning squeezing the medicinelike epinephrine which it works

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but there's better ones thatdon't do as much damage for
other stuff but um yeah I meanhonestly like I kind of come
from a different way like youguys are gonna laugh at me I
would maybe give it to them butI mean but again are you why are
you wasting time on getting ablood pressure while you're
trying to fix these right so umas a last effort I would um I

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talk about this to a lot of myguys I've talked to our doctors
it's like I think we maybe needto give a little like in some
cases with patients um give themsome stuff to kind of give them
a will to live if that makessense.
I got really sick during COVID Ihad bioletal pneumonia and
because I'm a dumbass I didn'twant to go to the hospital and

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so my wife made me um this isbecause you're a man yeah yeah I
used to go into the I'd startcoughing and I'd pass out so I
started going to the bathroomand I started coughing laying
the floor so my wife could seeand then one day she saw me do
it and she forced me to go tothe hospital.
Anyway so I got I was in thehospital for like and honestly
my my oxygen saturation was likelow 80s right and when you're

(01:43:47):
that low like your your brainjust doesn't work right you know
like and I I had this apathylike I honestly just didn't care
like I'm like I'll just die Iremember the doctor coming in
and that was back when likethey're sending people home when
they shouldn't have and theywere like oh yeah well you know
you you're you're over 80% likeyou're doing pretty good and I
just kind of looked at him likeif you're gonna I just looked at

(01:44:10):
my eyes like you're gonna giveme send me home just F and send
me home dude okay and he kind oftook a step back and I think
maybe they saw my insurance andit was good because all of a
sudden I got a bunch of peoplein my room and started doing
things for me and um anywaysthey gave me uh they hit me with
a steroid man which is whatreally people needed during that
time and um and within fiveminutes like I had the energy to

(01:44:33):
fight if that makes sense rightand even though your body's
shutting down yeah maybe givethem a hit of Epi you know to
give them that will to live youheard it all here folks Chris
said give them the this ismedical advice no I would like
to let them know I am not adoctor.
I am not a sir you look like amethod you have meth I could use

(01:44:55):
some meth for him right now ohbro man you know what stuff I
can have done around the houseon meth just a little bump just
a little bump just keep it goingno I mean because like it goes
back to I don't know if youheard about that story uh last
week um at the Kentucky ZooState Zoo or something um the
guy got bit by some reallydeadly snake and he was the

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handler and he's like hey thethe uh the medics got there and
I guess two years prior theywere like they could have given
the anti-venom but then the newdoctor decided to take it away
from them but he the the snakehandler had the anti-venom but
he's like hey just give this tome because in the next like 60

(01:45:37):
seconds I'm gonna go into theparalysis stage and I'm done die
and so they had called theirdoctor their doctor didn't pick
up they called the ER and the ERis like yeah just freaking give
it to him and honestly if theguy could have and but then so
they're getting written upthough for giving it without
their doctor telling them andthey're going through a whole

(01:45:57):
licensing board review and allthis stuff and luckily like
they're getting some pushbackfrom state representatives and
stuff but if the layman snakehandler he could have given it
to himself or a bystander couldhave under a good Samaritan Act.
Right but the medicalprofessionals once we get our
license we can't fall under theGood Samaritan Act anymore.

(01:46:18):
So you so like yeah so you knowwhat if you want to give a bump
of 0.3 of epi sub Q I didn't seeshit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:32):
That's um the anti-venom is like tens of
thousands of dollars isn't ityeah and it and it's and it's
5050 chances you get ananaphylaxis attack yeah and
there were when I was in Okinawaif you got bit by the Habu snake
which is on Okinawa like youthey had to PCS they had to take
you off with Okinawa youcouldn't stay there anymore.

(01:46:54):
Like we had guys like they werethere for a week because Okinawa
like nobody wanted to go veryfew people went to Okinawa
because they wanted to I wantedto you know and so I I I loved
every bit of it but some guyswent there because they had to
so they always volunteer to goon these working parties to go
out in the jungle hoping to sothey'd have to go back to the
states because the anti venomwith Haboosnakes only works once

(01:47:16):
yes yeah so like there's antivenom there there's like a uh a
catch all anti venom and thenthere's like specific other ones
right so but unfortunately likelook in your town like I
guarantee you Rob there's noanti venom in your state no
maybe maybe one hospital nowArizona like Phoenix like yeah
they got but even in our areait's so expensive and it and it

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expires so quickly that's one ofthe ones that actually do expire
because it's got a it's got athe timed uh potency um yeah
most hospital the trauma centersmaybe have one dose or like our
main main trauma center attachedto UTE has like maybe a couple
doses but that's still notenough you got to have it over a
period of time so right wheneversomeone gets gets a blood bite

(01:48:02):
they let up start calling allthe hospitals and having them
ship it to them you know so yeahwe we just have the timber
rattlesnake which which I wouldmess you up too it it will it
probably won't kill you you knowbut even that that's that's down
in one little corner of thestate so up by me which we don't

(01:48:23):
have venomous snakes but if youwere to get bit by someone's pet
or something like that yeahyou're screwed yeah and if it's
snowing and no helicopters areflying yeah you're even more
screwed you know yeah very trueso um let's see we got a couple
other questions here um you wekind of talked about stereo

(01:48:44):
strips but for any small thingsbesides stitches or stereo
strips what are some goodoptions for small wound closures
tape this is this is the bestthing um tell Samantha I can
send her pictures of mylaceration I didn't know myself
and you can barely even see ascar I had a guy I ran a call

(01:49:09):
one time and he was doing someuh work on his roof well he was
we're on our roof he wasn't hisroof and he fell through the
roof and his leg got caught in alag bolt that and it ripped from
his knee up to his hip and uh weand for the the ends of it we

(01:49:30):
had to use super glue to keep itfrom continuing to rip even more
because he kept like he was youknow in a lot of pain you know
verse said you know you yeah youdon't remember it but you're
still in a lot of pain stillsucks yeah no the fentanyl
sometimes like you know if youespecially if you're like really
active you have to give them alot more than you your you know
your scope might be allowedwithout calling your medical

(01:49:50):
director or something right butman it it thankfully it didn't
bleed a lot there was not a lotof blood gotta be but it looked
like I was about to like youknow start you know making some
I was cleaning him like I wasgonna cook him that's what it
looked like you know and uh butit was horrible yeah super we
had to put super glue on theends you know we had like a very

(01:50:11):
commercial grade super glue tokeep it from continuing to rip
because that skin was in Vietnamit kept running a rip there's
documented cases where they usedthat's what they initially they
used it in Vietnam and inactually combat so it works I
mean I've used it hundreds oftimes so it's not the greatest
for like um joints and stuffbecause it can constantly yeah

(01:50:32):
you know but uh but for likelike any other like cut you know
it it works great so are thereany places or any types of
wounds you shouldn't pack themouth not the maybe unless
you're into that kind of thingthen maybe well yeah a brain
cavity if you have brain cavitybut then again if you're seeing

(01:50:54):
brain tissue uh don't packanything just yeah no wait for
the meat wagon no um should weleave casualties in place or
drag them to safety in the dragthem to safety okay well it
depends yeah right if it's amass casualty drag right and if
they can't walk and you you'vegot too many right you might

(01:51:17):
have to leave them in place.

SPEAKER_05 (01:51:18):
Well what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 (01:51:20):
Are we or triage are they a black tag or are they a a
red or yellow who knows whoknows like if you walk into if
they're black tag there's ladyin place but if they're a red or
yellow they're going to the ifyou walked in on Sunday on that
incident they had at that Mormonchurch right you've got where
it's actively on fire.
Yeah like you pull them outyou're yelling at people one to

(01:51:40):
get up and run to you if theycan right and if they can't then
if you got enough people therethen you're dragging them out.
But if it's just you and you'rethe only person able to do
anything you gotta start gettingwho you can and some people you
might have to leave until youcan get back to them right so
it's that that's a decision eachone of us to make yeah I mean it
it yeah it depends on what itliterally depends right like but

(01:52:01):
yeah I would just start pullingas many people out as I can and
then deal with it afterwardsbecause yeah you can't help them
if they're burned to death.

SPEAKER_06 (01:52:07):
Yep you know so well like you said either way make a
decision and and just do it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:52:12):
I mean because like when I started with like car
accidents right like they'd beoh you know you gotta you know
hold c spine you gotta keep themin the it's like but now it's
like if they're in a dangerousera you just pull them out.
I mean yeah a C-spine okay nowif they're paralyzed but they'd
be alive you know so like that'skind of the same situation pull
them the hell out man like justwe used to call it a dirty drag

(01:52:33):
sometimes you just gotta ripthem out of there and deal with
the consequences later becauseyeah it doesn't matter if
they're they're paralyzed now ifthey're dead it's a triage of
symptoms a triage of conditionsright like yeah dead is dead
right but paralyzed and alive isdifferent you know that's right
so um what kind of sounds andtrauma are we likely to see in

(01:52:55):
an active shooter event screamsyeah the screaming's the hardest
thing they get they get past youjust kind of kind of like so I'm
trying to express this um youyou you're gonna hear a lot of

(01:53:16):
screaming you're gonna have alot like but it goes back to the
OOTO loop you're gonna be in aposition where you're like gonna
try to orient but if you taketoo long to orient with all that
you you you'll eventually gettunnel vision maybe like
something I might considersomeone doing is if they start
something happens like thatimmediately look towards your

(01:53:37):
family and at least that canfocus your attention rather than
paying attention to other stuffand then once that focuses your
attention then go look at okayhow are we gonna get out of here
what's going on because as longas your family's safe then you
can go take care of others butdon't take care of others until
you've saved your family doesthat make sense so you again

(01:54:03):
like even even guys like likeAdrian and I who've been through
things like this like we're notgonna be ready we're still gonna
like I've suppressed myadrenaline I I but that's
because I do it like all thetime but once I leave but even
when I'm out and about like ifsomething comes up I'm still
behind the oota loop on that guyor that person right so you just

(01:54:28):
have to really just try to finda way to focus to your family
and understand what's going onand then and just auditory
exclude until you can get yourfamily safe and then take care
of stuff right like you knowwhat I mean like does that make
sense I don't do you guys haveother opinions on that I don't
know when when you when you subsuppress that adrenal response

(01:54:51):
does it hit you later like doyou still get that adrenaline
dump after everything um yeahyou guys might I don't really
anymore unfortunately no I meanI will like I it takes me days
to recover after shifts but likeI I've it's I've been doing it
for so long like like don't getme wrong I still get like let's

(01:55:14):
do like I don't I don't get thatexcitement I mean I get excited
but I don't have my heart ratestays in a really low I mean
just because of how I've done itbut when I get home it's and
like I think I've I've thoughtlike when I get home like that's
when like the miners thing getslike stresses me out and it's
like why am I getting stressedout by this stuff but it's just
because like you your body'sready for that but then the low

(01:55:38):
key stuff you come back and it'sjust something you you deal with
after a while so so yeah the theadrenaline of the situation one
is is designed to help you rightis designed to give you the
strength you need and the focusyou need to do what you need to
do um you know the the hardthing is not having tunnel

(01:56:00):
vision and like focusing on onething that's not important just
because you've locked in butyou're gonna have it right I
mean if you're not experiencedeveryone's gonna have to that's
what I'm trying to say you'regonna have the channel tunnel
vision so have that tunnelvision on your family and then
that can give you at least sometime take a deep breath and then
start looking at ways to get outand don't like don't look at

(01:56:21):
anything else like serious likedon't look at like there's times
when I'm just like this stuffdoesn't matter I got this person
take care of I'll figure thatout later right now don't grim I
also have to worry aboutsomeone's gonna jump you or
something like that can happento you but but yeah like when
you're in that situation I'mtalking about a lay person right
yeah like you hear crack crackcrack and screaming and row look

(01:56:44):
to your wife and kids and juststare until you can get situated
and then go okay there's an exitthat's clear or that's not clear
there's an exit that's clear asclear and start moving and grab
your family take care of yourfamily I can't stress that
enough because as soon asthey're gone that saves the
resources for the ones thataren't does that make sense so

(01:57:05):
and you know so like I don'tknow it's hard to explain I
don't make any sense sorry I cansee it all my head but I know
people don't see what I see soand that having that
conversation with your familylike hey if this ever happens
first thing I'm gonna do is gety'all out right like it and I I
I bring it up with my kids likeI took it was just me and my son

(01:57:27):
and my daughter this Sunday formass because the other ones were
sick um you know and witheverything that's going on in
the world you know I just makesure to prep my kids all the
time like hey if somethinghappens and some you know
somebody comes in want to dosome harm I want you to get down
under the pew right and daddywill do what he has to do or I
want you to get out right that'sthat and just constantly talking

(01:57:51):
to them about these things.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:52):
The older ones who can understand it.
Like my younger ones like myseven year old my five year old
it's a lot of in the what theway I train them is like you do
what daddy tells you to do whenI tell you to do it no matter
what.
Because one day and and and youjust got to build that
foundation right you know it'salways even with stupid things
like hey pick up your toys andthey're not doing it and then I

(01:58:13):
get on to them look I told youto pick up your toys now right
because if you get them trainedto that and get an understanding
that when dad says somethingright you do it now.
Right because one day you mayneed to do it because it's life
and death right you don't needto tell them that yet right but
just get them used to know whenI tell you to do something you
have to do it now.
You don't ask questions you doit and then once it's done you

(01:58:34):
can ask questions right but youdo what I tell you to do now.
You know because it's buildingup that that foundation for them
so now my 13 year old is shedoes what I tell her to do right
when I tell her to do it butthen she always asks me like why
do we do that?

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:53):
What was the reason and then I explain it to her
this is why you know we'realways poor evil people right
and and dah dah dah dah,whatever it is right I mean kids
aren't stupid man right likeright if you explain it to them
that and that's one thing likelike when I try to teach these
things I'm glad Rob reminded meof a bunch of like and you
Adrian like because I really tryto explain to people why you're
giving it even like thepharmacodynamics of a met

(01:59:16):
because it tends to stick insomeone's brain a little bit
better why when you tell themwhy they're doing it.
I mean I know we have to trainmassive groups of people like
and so you can only do a certainway and you want them to do that
muscle memory but it it reallyreally helps and enforces it
when you tell them why they'redoing something you know
especially especially kids manlike yeah they're not stupid I

(01:59:38):
don't care what like yeahthey'll they'll see the
reasoning right behind it andand they'll learn to trust you
that much more they'll they'llknow I can do what what what dad
says because I know he's thoughtthrough this and he's he's got
my best interest and I'll do itbecause I can trust him right so

(02:00:01):
I feel protected with them,right?
Helpful.
You know.
And that's another thing.
Oh, sorry, God.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:06):
I was just gonna say that especially comes to the
faith, right?
There's at a certain age, justthe just because I told you so
is no longer works.
That's usually around sevenyears old, right?
After that, you need to explainthem why.
Hey, why do we do the side ofthe cross?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Yeah, it why you know, and so Ialways explain things, right?
Because what I didn't havegrowing up was the capability to

(02:00:28):
ask why.
I would just I did because I wastold, right?
And that's probably what I well,I left the faith at 18, and it
took me 18 years to come back.
Um, you know, but my kids, anyif I don't know the answer, I'm
gonna find out for them.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:40):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:40):
And so you you need to be able to explain these
things to the kids because oncethey know why, they are one,
they respect it a whole lotmore, um, and two, uh, they are
much more willing to follow itthe next time when you just say,
just do it, right?
Because you're always explainingit to them.
So they know, okay, I'll give anexplanation explanation later.
I'll just go ahead and do itnow.

SPEAKER_05 (02:01:01):
You mind if I give a quick example?
How of course um, so I reallyteach into my kids situational
awareness, right?
Like the the best preventativesand not being that situation.
Unfortunately, that's not life,right?
Like you can do everythingright, and then someone hits you
in the rear ends you, or you'rejust in the wrong place at the

(02:01:21):
wrong time, right?
Um, so um, my daughter, when shewas in college, she went to
lunch with lunch with herboyfriend, and um she went into
the the subway restaurant, andthey're sitting there in line, a
bunch of people in line, asthat, you know, and these two
men came in and she immediately,because I always told her always
watch the door, always, youknow, like and these two men

(02:01:44):
came in and immediately, andwomen we all know have that
intuition that's that we don'talways have, right?
Because we're big big dumbanimals, right?
Um, so she said she turned toher boyfriend and was like, Hey,
it was now my son-in-law, but umuh you know, like, hey, let's
let's go to the Chinese food.
I feel like Chinese food.

(02:02:05):
And of course he didn't arguebecause you know, women like
they anyways, sorry, sorry,Samantha and all the other
people.
Um and so he was like, Okay,cool.
So, like they went over to theum Chinese restaurant and um and
had a great lunch andeverything, and they came out
and there was like 10 cop carsin front of the subway and crime

(02:02:27):
scene tape.
And I guess shortly after theyhad left, those two guys held up
everybody in line and took alltheir wallets and purses and the
cash register and and took off,you know.
So it's like it's not gonna workevery time, but yeah, like
teaching your kids these things,they do remember these things,

(02:02:48):
you know, like and it it'simportant to do it, you know.
So um, I'm real quick back tothe whole like multi-shooting,
multi-cat, and like with to momsand dads, like just the tunnel
vision, like we were saying, onyour family and how to get out.

(02:03:08):
You're gonna have you're gonnahave to worry about that stuff.
You're gonna have probably cycletrauma later.
It's like but that's survivable,you know.
Just take care of your this careof your family first, you know.
So but I mean it's damage, it'sa traumatic event, you know.

SPEAKER_06 (02:03:26):
So anyways, another question just came in.
Taffy wants to know how wouldone treat a snake bite in a crap
at the fan situation?
Rattlesnake to be spin's.
I think he's asking, do you suckout the venom or not?

SPEAKER_05 (02:03:48):
Okay, Taffy.
What I want you to do is is whenthat happens, you need to reach
down really quick, scrap, grabreally, really tightly around
the ankle or wherever it's theinjury just above the injury,
and then kiss your ass goodbye.
Sorry.

(02:04:10):
I'll just tease it.
Um there are there don'ttourniquet it.
Um there are um not great, butum better um little kits that
have a suction on it.
That you can it's like a syringeand it has little suction cups.

(02:04:30):
You can try to do that.
Um and uh one of the old wayswas like you guys remember the
old military snake bite kits,little rubber tubes, and it had
a scapel in it.
It used to be like you cuteither side of it and you let it
bleed out.
I don't know how well thatworks.

(02:04:50):
Honestly, it's just it's gonnabe kind of I mean, they are
survivable.

SPEAKER_07 (02:04:54):
I mean, but yeah, not so much, huh?

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:01):
There's just not a lot to do after that, like in
the shit hits the fan scenario,you know.

SPEAKER_06 (02:05:04):
So just don't get bit.

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Wear snake boots, yeah, yeah.
So unless you know anythingelse, I don't know.
I've tried I've looked stuff up,I've been through all that.
I didn't have been able to findanything.

SPEAKER_01 (02:05:21):
I mean, there's I'm sure there's somebody at my
parish who's like, just put someuh lavender oil on it and some
oregano essential oils, andyeah, what the Indians do?

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:30):
I've got to figure that out.

SPEAKER_01 (02:05:32):
That why do you think there weren't that many
Indians when we got here?

SPEAKER_06 (02:05:34):
Yeah, well, smallpox and dab probably, but 45 long
colt.

SPEAKER_01 (02:05:49):
Well, guys, I think uh I think that's about all I
got and everything I wanted togo over.
Did you is there anything y'allwanted to finish up with?
Um I noticed uh I noticed Hope'suh fanny pack in the pictures.

SPEAKER_06 (02:06:05):
That was the downside of talking about all
that stuff on air is noweveryone knows basically when my
wife or I are armed.
Yeah, yeah, she she was wearingthat at the baptism yesterday.
Nice, but I need to get a firstaid kit in the front pop poach
of that, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:06:23):
That's all I got.
I'm looking at mine now, andI've got to see if there's
anything else in here I keepbecause mine is just mine mine
is designed to go through themarch algorithm, right?
Because I one I know how to doit, you know, because of
training, but um like that'swhat I'm just I've designed too
because like I know how to checkfor airway and respirations and
circulation and and all that,right?
So um, but train the best thingI could say, guys, is get some

(02:06:47):
training.
Um go out there and find peoplethat will train you, paramedics,
maybe even some cops, we havesome T Triple C at your parish,
or pay for it, right?
Uh, because it's always worthpaying for from a good reputable
company.
Um that's why that's why Istress good reputable.
Right, yeah.
Uh you gotta watch what we gottawatch for those flyby night

(02:07:07):
companies, you know, some guywho's like an emtb who's trying
to teach you some stuff.
He I don't know when I when I asmuch as he does.

SPEAKER_05 (02:07:14):
When I started my um CPR uh or my CPR A sales
business, I used to go to liketo a lot of like nursing homes
and other like care facilities,and like the first like three or
four classes, uh they were alllike shocked that I was making
them actually do chestcompressions and work on
mannequins and stuff.
They're like, I haven't had todo that in 10-15 years, and I'm

(02:07:35):
like, they just gave me thecard, and I'm like, Yeah, I know
I go on those calls at yourfacility.
Compressions will wear you out.
Well, yeah, so like so.
That's why it's that's an i iguess I can comment a little bit
on that.
Like just do check for people,like if you feel like you need
to do CPR and you have time andthere's not other people dying

(02:07:57):
from need holes plugged.
If you want to do chestcompressions, or you want to do
CPR, do only chest compressionsbecause one, like just because
they got shot doesn't meanthere's still oxygen in your
blood, that's why your veins areblue and not black, you know,
there's oxygen going back, soyou still have a little a little
bit more oxygen to be able totransfer through.

(02:08:19):
Um also, like um what I wasgonna say.
Oh, so and then like with CPR,like so that uh uh in early
2000s, AHA did the study on howbeneficial how long you could go
and still have good compression,um, cranial perfusion and stuff

(02:08:42):
when you're doing compressions,and they basically came out to
like two minutes, yeah.
And that and they they did abroad spectrum, they did like
the 110-pound lady to like the250, 300 pound, you know,
linebacker guy or like marathonrunner, and literally it was
everybody was not doing properenough compression after two
minutes.

(02:09:02):
So if you're gonna do it, youbetter have somebody that give
you a break in two minutes,otherwise, you're not doing
anything for them.
Um, and understand like as longas if you're gonna start, don't
stop because it takes about fiveto six compressions to get the
pressure up enough to per getblood to the brain, and that's

(02:09:23):
what you're trying to do is keepthat alive until something else
benefits.
And as soon as you stop, thatpressure immediately goes to
drops and you start from scratchagain.
So, um, if you're gonna do it,and and again, like you are
gonna break ribs, if you'regonna do it on grandma, your
first compression, you're gonnahear cracks and pops.
Yeah, a young person or20-year-old, it's gonna take a

(02:09:46):
few rounds before you startbreaking ribs.
Um, but don't worry about it.
That's that's not gonna killthem, you know.
Yeah, broken ribs a lot.
I've had rubbed off the skin offmy hand from a broken
compression.

SPEAKER_01 (02:10:00):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean you got you gotta be able
to suppress any gag reflex youmay have from seeing some
horrible stuff in order to savepeople's lives.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:10):
I find the adrenaline does that pretty well
for most people, but it's afterthe fact that start puking up.

SPEAKER_01 (02:10:15):
I've seen plenty of uh paramedic trainees pass out
the first time they see morethan uh five cc's of blood.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:22):
Oh, yeah, that's a little different.
Yeah.
Sorry, I hope I was informative.

SPEAKER_06 (02:10:29):
Oh, for sure, man.
This was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (02:10:32):
Yeah, well, guys, we're gonna wrap it up here.
Uh, if anybody has any otherquestions, put them in the
comments.
We do check them afterwards, andwe do a lot of uh we'll answer a
lot of questions afterwards.

SPEAKER_06 (02:10:45):
I'm gonna put the link to the telegram here in the
chat.
Yeah, put it in the yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:10:50):
So if you're not in the telegram for the Guns and
Rosaries show, join it.
We got guys with likeChristopher in here.
Uh, we got a lot of good guysthat are in there, offer a lot
of good insight and advice andthings that they're aware of.
Um, we do a lot of uh I share alot of intel that comes up,
things that come up.
Um, other guys share some thingsthat they see that comes up as

(02:11:11):
well.
The best thing we can do isprovide each other with the
resources that we need for thiscommunity because you can't do
everything, right?
And even if you start to buildyour little you know, four-man
team, as you know, I stressedthe first time we did this.
Um, you can't do everything.
You need other guys to takespecialties that they can take
care of.
Young guy knows how to do radio.
Well, it can't all be CRISPR.

(02:11:32):
Christopher does everything, hedoes radios, he does, he does
leather working, he doesshooting, he does everything.
I don't do any of it goodthough.
Uh I do just enough to get mekilled.
Uh but we have a we have a goodgroup of folks there uh in order
to help share information andknowledge.

(02:11:53):
Uh so join it, uh, get in there,say hi to everybody, um, and be
courteous.
Um, I will kick you real quickif you're causing any type of
conflict.
Um but uh you know guys, uhwe're gonna lie, we're gonna
wrap it up here.
Thanks, Chris, for coming on.
Oh appreciate providing I know Iknow it's at a premium.

(02:12:15):
Um, yeah, congratulations, Rob.

unknown (02:12:17):
Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 (02:12:19):
Chris made me a pipe stand a while ago with a Marine
Corps, and my wife is like, Who,where'd you get that?
Did you buy that somewhere?
I was like, I know a dude whoknows how to do stuff.
He just does things, man.

SPEAKER_05 (02:12:32):
I know a dude that looks like a dude that's like
another dude.

SPEAKER_01 (02:12:37):
They could never make that movie today.

SPEAKER_05 (02:12:39):
I know.

SPEAKER_01 (02:12:42):
All right, guys.
Well, it's good talking toy'all, and we'll see y'all next
time.
Thanks a lot.
Good night.

SPEAKER_06 (02:12:48):
Have a good night, everyone.

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