Pope Francis Lied and Masses Died?

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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But even our intro video didn'tactually match for this.
But I mean honestly, eric,you're probably the perfect
person to have on the, the, theeditor of crisis magazine, for
this.
Uh, it's funny because we allkind of knew, right like none,

(01:31):
nothing.
Diane released today wasbombshell to us, but it's still
kind of interesting to get theproof.
Um, but before we even get intothat, eric, you, uh, you just,
uh, you just put out a book.
Is it still on presale or isyour book out now?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
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Yeah, I got it right here MoralMoney, the Case for Bitcoin.
So yeah, it just came out liketwo weeks ago.
I was really happy I got on theTom Woods show to talk about I
don't know if you know who thatis, but-.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
That's a big deal.
That was a big deal when I goton there, because I actually was
listening to Tom Woods' show in2013.
That got me into Bitcoin Really, and so to be on his show to
talk about my book about Bitcoin12 years later, that was pretty
cool and it's funny.
I do a million of theseinterviews and I've been on
podcasts all the time.
This is the first one I wasnervous for.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
A little fanboying, huh.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I told my wife to listen to it to see, can you
tell?
Because I admit I was nervous.
I was like a little bit of afan boy.
I mean I admit it.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Now you know how Anthony felt.
You know how Anthony felt whenhe was on with you for the first
time, for the first time.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Tom Woods is awesome because he wrote a book about
how the Catholic Church builtthe West.
Yes, if nobody's ever checkedthat book out like, tom woods is
known as a libertariancommentator, but he's also a
catholic, yeah, and he wrote how, the how the catholic church
built western civilization.
I think that's the title.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Might be off on the title beautiful book after
simone pontificum about thelatin mass and it's a beautiful
little book and it came outafter simone pontificum and it
was explaining kind of why isthis a big deal?
And he was like it was a it's agreat little book.
It's out of print now, but it'sa great book, uh, so, yeah, so,
um, it was great being on hisshow and he's great.

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I mean, it was just uh, like assoon as he jumped we jumped on
before the, before the show wentlive.
He was very much just like wehad known each other for years
and we had never talked in ourlife, so he definitely knew of
you, though, because I rememberlistening to his shows.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
A while back when he was, he was reading one peter
five before you before you tookover.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, so if anybody doesn't know, eric also is the
well, it's tim flanders, theeditor at one peter flanders is
the editor one pier five, andI'm kind of oversee it, and, to
be honest, though, I let tim dowhat he wants.
He'll check it.
I'll check in with himsometimes, but I, you know, at
first I was very much kind ofmore managing it to make sure
it's in the right vein andeverything, but then I just like

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tim's style and so I just waslike you do what you want to do
and, like I said, every once ina while, for example, when he
wants to write about the amish,he sometimes checks in with me
to make sure it's okay.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
We're going to.
I think we're going to do thatconversation on locals tonight,
because you and I have justwe've mentioned to each other
and DMs having that conversation, just because, like, I'm always
looking for the appropriateposition to take as a catholic
on that question, but it'sdefinitely more appropriate to
do on locals, just because, yeah, it's just one of those things

(04:29):
without stupid algorithms.
But also I, I wanted to ask you,um, we've had, we've had leo
for what?
Two months now, right?
Um, I watched, I watched yourepisode with you, kennedy and
Flanders, when we initially gotthe white smoke, we had Tim
Gordon on in that episode.

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We just kind of were like, ohmy gosh man, doom and gloom.
We thought the end of the worldwas coming.
And then I kind of witnessed Ithink probably Taylor was the
first one to go look, let's justgive this guy some space a
little bit.
You know, and I and I, well,taylor didn't first say that.

(05:10):
No, no, no, he, all of us hadthe same reaction.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah yeah, God bless him for then.
Kind of backtracking andrealizing, okay, let's take a
step back.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So yeah, I think my initial reaction was just what
my raw reaction was in themorning.
We all were hoping for a longerperiod before we got the white.
So every one of us I mean wewere like the longer this thing
goes, the better news it is forus, because that means the
conservatives put up a littlebit.
Anthony, I want to run with youat the tlf.

(05:38):
I like eric eric's funny.
That was funny actually.
We've been goofing around witheach other a little bit so, yeah
, we had.
That was just my raw reactionto him coming in.
And then I think it was kind ofappropriate for us to not have

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the new Pope come into a postureof hostility from trads until
we kind of see what he does.
You, what do you think youthink that was the right
approach to?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
take.
I do, I really do.
I mean, I think you, you know,maybe some of the audience knows
, but like I had stopped justtalking about Francis back in
August, it just was a matter ofI felt like there was
diminishing returns, there wasmore diminishing returns.
Everybody knew where I stood onhim, Everybody knew where he
stood and I just was like theconstant just continuing to

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complain about what he did.
I just didn't see any realbenefit to it.
Not that I thought he was alsoin a great Pope or became a
Pope's plan or anything likethat, but I just didn't see the
purpose.
So then when he died, and it'slike, and then I did right after
he died, I wrote how terribleof a Pope he was.
But then when Leo was elected,before he was elected, I told

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myself like there's no realpurpose to jumping in and
attacking him.
Like for me at least.
Like you know, some people tella story like when Francis first
came out in the Logia, theyimmediately like, oh, this is
gonna be a problem.
I just I never heard of him anddidn't know who he was.
So I was like, well, let's, youknow he's a pope, let's see
what, what happens.
And so I didn't start reallykind of publicly criticized

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until a couple years into it,because it's like what's the
point?
Like let's just let him get hisfeet set, let's, you know, see
where he really is going withthis and just kind of leave it
alone.
And I think the same thing istrue for whoever's going to be
elected after Francis.
Like my expectation was thatthe likely thing was he 'd be
better than Francis, but wasn'tgoing to be a superstar, wasn't

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going to be that great, and somy expectations were pretty low.
So it's like when Leo sayssomething that's got the kind of
synodality ring and you know,kind of the Francis talk Stuff,
like that just doesn't bug me.
But I think it's because I waslike well, that's just the
church we're in right now.
What did you expect?
We're not getting AthanasiusSchneider as the bishop.
So to me it's like, so far atleast, he's far better than

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Francis, far better than Francis.
And he's not quite as good, asyou know, benedict, but it's
like okay, that's kind of in therange I was expecting anyway.
And so I just think people needto chill out.
Let them go, let them cook andjust see what happens.
And I think there's beenpositive things.
In fact I have an article comeout tomorrow, crisis, about the

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fact that his kind oftraditional piety that's showing
, you know, speaking in Latin,praying in Latin and the
Eucharistic procession, corpusChristi, stuff like that, that's
good, even if he is like a postconciliar, like you know,
hardcore guy.
Because for two reasons First ofall, it's just objectively good
when you do things like that,that, and then, secondly, it

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allows, like the young priestwho got shot down because he
said a couple prayers in latinduring the mass by his senior
pastor, by the bishop, or wantedto, you know, basically
encourage an ultra rail.
Well, now that young priest canbe like well, you know, the
pope's doing it, why can't I?
So I think that it kind oftrickles down.
I mean, I think we forget howbad francis was, like he, he, he
literally was all-out attack ontradition, and so just getting

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a reprieve of a guy who clearlyis not doing an all-out attack
on tradition, I think it's agood thing.
And so like I'm just not goingto go down the, let's find
another thing to complain aboutyeah, it's all right, I just
think he's boring.
He's just boring isn't that whatwe want?

(09:32):
Yes, sorry, I don't wantsomebody who's going to like
make x blow up every morninglike.
I want somebody that we don'tactually talk about in fact I'd
love it if a pope would just thenext I'd love next book just
shut up most of the time andjust did nothing other than just
kind of clean house internally.
So like I'm totally, I'm downwith boring because I'm a boring
person.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
So uh, you know that's why I'm fine with the
boring part.
I I okay.
So we just saw that was theproblem.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
You literally said that was the problem well, I
just think he's boring.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I didn't say it's the problem.
I think the problem is actuallyhis.
Is that you want more?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
content for your show is what that's for sure, right,
I mean it's all about theclicks, baby, the view sponsors.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean come on, oh, and catholic content, great you.
I mean, we're gonna have to goback to the days of just like
fighting actually learning aboutthe faith imagine.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
That I know that that'd be awful so, um, my all
right.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So I'm more concerned with personnel choices that
he's still making, you know, um,because I think there's a
danger to a guy who, like he,hasn't said anything
controversial, there's no newsstories to report on.
He's I mean, if anything, thethings he's doing, like it has
has a very Catholic veneer to itand don't even say that, though

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it might have to, it has theCatholic veneer to it.
It's much easier to talk toProtestants, I would say so far
Right, because one of thebiggest impediments to
evangelization was Protestantsthrowing quotes from France.
It's like you got a communistpope.
What are you talking about, youknow.
So it is much better in thatrespect.

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I am still very concerned withhis personnel choices and he's
been in for two months and I'mstill seeing dioceses put
restrictions on the latin mess.
Now texas got a two-yearextension that they put in the
request, right.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I I'm not sure I mean, what do you really expect
them to do so far?
Like, okay, we've had Detroit,we've had Charlotte, that have
been awful, but they wereliterally put in there by
Francis to do that and so nowthey did it.
It's not like.
I mean, I think we have torecognize the Pope in Rome,
isn't like?
Okay, boy, I really seeTwitter's blowing up because of

(11:43):
Charlotte.
I better do something aboutthis today.
No, a smart pope at least isgoing to take his time going to
evaluate, determine what do Ineed to do.
And also, I don't really seehis appointments like.
They're not.
I mean, I'm not a big fan ofsome of them.
They're not like that, they'renot that real controversial.
He's keeping his guys in France, guys in so far, far, but they
all do that.
Like if he renews tucci androche and people like that, then

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yeah, that's, that's a real.
But you know things like hepointed that woman or something.
Of course he did.
I mean, that's just kind ofwhere we are.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
We've had bad appointments for the last 70
years.
That's that many years, yeah, Imean jp2 had terrible
appointments, terribleappointments.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
That was the worst part of his pontificate and,
like we, we would love to have ajp2 today yeah it, it is true,
right like so if he would havecame in and just started
cleaning house.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
So I still it's just such a weird place to be where
I'm watching trads.
Uh, will like point out oh, leodid this and he said the, the
our father, he said thepaternoster this morning, and
then you'll.
You'll still get mike lewis andthe and the lefties going.
Oh, but look, he saidsynodality and you have these.
It was like there was suchclarity on their francis as much

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as it was ambiguity.
It was like we knew where westood.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
It kind of brought well, yeah, this is just the
beginning of a pontificate.
Everybody's trying to claimthem as their own.
Yeah, because we're hoping thatwe can shape the narrative and
say, okay, he's our guy, and Imean trads do it as much as the,
as the liberals do it andprogressives do it.
But I do think that, like,ultimately, that's kind of what
he's trying to do is being thisunifying force where, like

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everybody likes leo, likethere's a real benefit to that.
It doesn't, like I said, itdoesn't get you the, the, as
many views on on x.
So sorry, anthony, you're,you're but, it there is a real
benefit that that, like, goahead and like I don't know
who's that gnome, who who's likeit says he's a theologian and
he always is posting about whatthe pope says.

(13:42):
It's like progressive stuff.
Anyway, he's a teachersomewhere and he calls himself a
theologian.
Thank you, thank you, and, likeyou know, he's just going to
continue to do that over andover again and just let him do
it.
It's like whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
He wants another biography job.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, I'm sure he does, I mean yeah, yeah, it's,
yeah, yeah it's.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Uh, it's well, look it is.
We went through a rough 12years.
I think the interregnum periodwas really nice.
It was like it was just such anice feeling of being in the
interregnum and it was like giveus a two-year man, anthony's,
like huh being a settee kind ofnice reveal we always wanted to
be said he's after all it waspretty fun, um, but you know

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it's also, uh, it's, but it'sbeen kind of nice to not have
the, every single day, thedaunting headline of what, for
what, the pope just did to upendyears of tradition, and even
little things like Leo walkingwith the Eucharistic procession.

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He's got some Catholic piety tohim that we haven't seen in a
very long time, which isabsolutely refreshing.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, I think we're going to find that maybe he's
similar in Francis in terms ofsome of his beliefs about
synodality and he's obviously amodernist.
We were not going to not get amodernist pope, but it looks
like he actually likes theCatholic faith and actually
maybe believes it.
So that's a positive, I wouldsay, over what we had, and I

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think again.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
You cannot.
I don't think you canunderestimate how important that
is in the trenches, because Isaw that when I because I was
working for a diocese whenFrancis was elected and once
Francis started saying thiscrazy stuff, I heard that over
and over again.
Like you know, I tell the storylike when I, when Francis was
elected, I was meeting with hisdeacon and this lady who were

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trying to get a pro gay groupstarted in the diocese and I was
shooting them down.
And then he got elected.
They came back to me monthslater when he said who am I to
judge?
And they're like well, nowFrancis allows it, so let's, we
can set this up Right.
And I had to explain it to him.
No, and like to them.
It's like why is this layperson telling us we can't do

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what the pope just said we cando, and that happened so many
places, so many times.
It empowered the worst bishopsand the worst priest, and so
even a pope who, like you said,might be a modernist, the fact
that he is, uh, you know, doingeucharistic procession that
emboldens the young priest whois more orthodox, more
traditional, and say, hey, let'sdo it.
Hey, father, you know doing aeucharistic procession that
emboldens the young priest whois more orthodox, more
traditional, and say, hey, let'sdo it.

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Hey, father, you know, pastor,let's do a eucharistic
procession.
Look at what the pope did,everybody loved it, type of
thing, and that that brings insoul.
So I I really think that I'mnot saying it's everything,
obviously it's not everything, Idon't.
The synodality stuff is a bunchof hogwash and crap, but like,
at the same time, it I think ittrickles down that traditional
piety that then emboldens andhelps the, the, the, the, the,

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the traditional young priest.
I don't mean like atraditionalist, but more just
like he leans more traditionaland he gets shot down by
everything for the past 12 years.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
What do you make of the um?
So in the uk there was a priestwho denied communion to um a
politician who was, I think Idon't know he was supporting
euthanasia or something likethat suicide.
Yes, yeah, so so the the thepriest denied him communion and
then the uh, the bishop actuallycame out and said no, we're not

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, so I, I have the art.
Rob, can you bring up the uhpillar article about that?
I?
think he just said, like wedon't do that, yeah, we don't
know he said basically, like thechurch, that is not the
church's position for us to dothat right.
So you still have this boomerclass in the hierarchy.
Oh which I, I, kind of I.
Something happened today whereI was just like.

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They're no different than thesecular boomers and I I know we
have older people who watch ourshow.
We're not saying every singleboomer.
You guys don't have to getdefensive calm down.
I'm so tired of like the, theboomers being so defensive about
it's like we're talking, we'retalking in generalities here,
and it's like the, the boomergeneration, kind of had this
mentality.
It's like, well, I gotta getmine, I want my, my retirement

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home in florida, I want to go onmy cruise every year and I feel
like that's.
The boomers in the hierarchyare very similar.
It's like they're terrified tosay no to women, right?
So they're surrounded by thesewomen at their, at their, in
their diocese, and they're justafraid to say no to them.
Just like, like most of the menwho raised us, if you were,
your parents were boomers.
The wife basically ran thehousehold, the husband was kind

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of just like a yes man, and Ikind of see those men as the
same thing Like they.
They don't want any static fromfrom the press, they don't want
to deal with any kind of that.
They just want to get throughthis and they almost don't want
to deal with any kind of that.
They just want to get throughthis and they almost don't care
what happens to the generationafter them.

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They don't care if inflation isthrough the roof and these kids
can't afford homes.
They don't care if the dogma isintact.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's a very like, equal thing to what we're big
restructuring, where priestswere moved all over the place,
and a priest friend of mineactually was moved to another
parish and he was the pastor,and he had an associate pastor
who was also solid, andbasically there's a huge revolt
going on there.
Why?
Because the boomers can't standhim.

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Because he's simply trying todo things the way the church
wants them to be done, I mean,and he's not, this guy's not,
he's not trad, he's not tryingto even do Latin or that.
He's just simply the basics ofwe're not going to do all the
boomer mass stuff, we're notgoing to do all this stuff, and
it's like they are just in fullrevolt and they're all they're
doing.
They're going to the paper andthe local paper and saying all

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that how it was a loving churchbefore.
Now it's rigid and blah.
I mean, all the boomerisms arejust, and it's like that's going
on a lot of places and it justit's ridiculous.
And the fact is, though, westill have to wait a while
before they all die out.
I mean, the youngest boomersare still in their 60s.
I mean they still have a waysto go, and so for bishops, 60s

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is young, remember?
I mean they still have 15, 20,25 years left, so we still have
most bishops, I would assume,are boomers and so, because of
that, we're going to be ruled bythem for for quite some time.
But they are dying out andtheir influence is dying out,
and so you know it's such astrange mentality and I think it
was Dr Question F.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
He said like there's a difference in Francis, who was
, like he was an older, boomerRight.
So he was, I think, ordained asas the new right was coming in,
where Leo Leo's my dad's age.
He's like sixty, nine I think,or sixty or 69.
I think he was born in 55.
And like he, like my daddoesn't remember the Latin mass

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when he was a kid, Cause he likemade his communion in it, but
then the new, the new right,came over, you know.
So it's like where Francis waspart of the revolution and where
you got a couple of yearsbetween him and Leo.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Now Leo it's kind of like the revolution was already
kind of set in place by the timehe came in.
So he's not as like like diehard hippie like the older guys.
I think there's like a personalattachment to vatican 2 by that
generation that will never bebroken until they die.
And the fact is, once you getto the younger boomers, but

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especially then Gen X, then youget people who are just they
were born after.
If you're born after Vatican II, you don't have that personal
attachment.
Or even if you were very young,you don't care that much Like
okay, the most important thingis we have to keep Vatican II
intact, we have to make it theguiding star of everything, and
so I think that's what we'reseeing more than anything.
It's just like people aren'tdon't have this emotional

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attachment to Vatican two whereit's like, oh my gosh, you can't
say anything about thatwhatsoever.
And and and Leo's on the tailend of of that.
I mean he's he's not going tobe anti-Vatican two, and I'm not
even saying anti-Vatican two,he's going to still weakening.

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I mean, you saw, jp2 was 100invested in vatican 2, rat
singer 100 invested because theywere both there and influential
there.
And then you have francis, whois kind of weirdly obsessed with
vatican 2, and I think, leo,all of a sudden, now you're
starting to see the decline it'sgoing to be, each pope,
successive pope is likely to beless emotionally attached.
I'm not saying they're going todisown vatican 2, but at least
they're not going to be like,okay, everything has to run
through that lens and I think so.

(22:28):
I think, long term, I do thinkwe do see things going in the
right direction.
I think leo's like the firststep of that.
I'm not saying he's the bigleap, everything's great, but I
do think he's the first step.
In that I was really hoping tolike.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Just the thing is that the whole synodality thing,
like like Leo doesn't even knowwhat it means, like he said he
said something.
He's like what synodality is tome is a state of being.
It's like oh, they hate thatlanguage, the being church
nonsense.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's so annoying.
Being church just makes mecringe.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh, it's the cringiest fricking thing in the
world, it's just okay.
So now that, now that priest,his bishop, comes out and tells
him that, right, like what it?
And I asked people I was like,should this priest obey his
bishop in this situation?
Right, and to me I would thinkit's bordering on mortal sin to
force a priest to give communionto somebody who's a public,

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unrepentant sinner like I don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Do we know if the bishop ordered the priest to
give him communion or more wasjust a statement where he was
just saying we don't do that inthe church and then we don't
know what happened behind thescenes?
I mean it's interesting.
It'd be interesting to knowwhat he actually told the priest
he had or could not do.
There is an argument to be madethat the priest could have
handled it a bit differently.
I always get annoyed by that,though, because he did the right

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thing ultimately, and it's likethen we want to nitpick how he
did it, but the fact is is thatwe don't know yet what he did.
I think that a priest isobligated if he knows that this
person I mean he knows in thiscase he's promoting assisted
suicide.
He knows he's giving publicscandal.
Therefore, by canon law, heshould not be receiving

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communion.
I mean the priest.
But we know what will happen tohim if he refuses to do what
the bishop wants, and he'll getcanceled and he won't be
practicing, you know, ministryanymore.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I think, I think, like even the the diane
montagna article now, becauseeverybody's making such a big
deal out of it, and it's likefrancis lied about this and we
but I think we all kind of knewmost of the bishops are kind of
like I said, like they justdon't want static in their, in
their diocese.

(24:43):
And it's like I know in ourdiocese, like our bishop just
ignored it tradition.
He just totally ignored it.
He just pretended like hedidn't, he doesn't, he's, but
he's also not like pro-latinmass.
He just kind of like he speaksto the pastors of those parishes
and the pastors tell him likelook, this is a stable community
.
They're not some crazyschismatics or anything, these

(25:04):
are just young people who lovethe latin mass.
They come, they drive from allover the island to come here and
they have like there's men'sgroups that come out of it.
There's bible studies that comeout of it, like there's just
they're very vibrant, beautifulyoung communities.
So our bishop was kind of justlike, unless, like they actually
forced me to do something, I'mjust going to pretend it didn't

(25:25):
happen.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I think there was a lot of bishops, which one,
anthony, goes to.
We'll shut that one down.
But the rest we'll do it on,yeah, and a lot of bishops did
that.
That's the thing.
So I said today about this,about what Diane reported was
everybody knew it was a lie,like the supporters of TC knew
it was a lie, the lie.

(25:46):
Like the supporters of tc knewit was a lie.
The critics of tc knew it was alie.
Yet maybe some of thesycophants like uh, like a rich
rahu or whatever his name is, ormike lewis, maybe they actually
believed it but, like all thebishops who supported it knew it
was a lie.
Everybody was like, because youknew, you had evidence right
afterwards, the fact that thebishops didn't jump on board
with this wholeheartedly likeyou would think, if they had
really said we need to do this,you would have had many more
bishops jumping on, not so manyignoring it like yours did.

(26:09):
So the fact is, everybody knewit was a lie.
The problem is is that that'show, like you know, socialists
or communists or whatever,that's how they work is they,
they, they they live based onlies.
As you know, rod dreher singing, you know, uh, uh, what's
theitsyn said.
It's like the idea is like theydidn't care that everybody knew
it was a lie.
Francis knew that.

(26:30):
Everybody knew he was lying,but he knew he could still get
what he wanted because nobody nobishop, nobody with authority
would call him a liar.
While he was in the chair ofPeter, he knew we had enough
years of hyper-papalism builtinto us that nobody would ever
just say you're lying, I knowyou're, and here you know you're
lying about this.

(26:51):
This isn't what the bishopswanted, and because of that, all
it was was people like ussaying he's lying and it's like
all those crazy trads who careswhat they say.
And so that allowed it to to tohappen.
And so in a lot of diocesesthey did implement it very
harshly.
So I mean it really is.
I mean it's diabolical, frankly, and I just I mean, if you

(27:11):
think about it, I mean there'sno other way to put it than
Francis lied publicly in achurch document in order to shut
down and destroy authenticCatholic communities.
How can you make that lookbetter than it is?
I mean that is just like.
I mean there's just no goingaround the fact that that was

(27:34):
just evil.
I mean it was evil just even ifhe hadn't lied, but like the
fact that he literally lied tomake this happen so he could
destroy authentic Catholiccommunities, faithful Catholic
communities that were thriving,that people were, you know,
bringing their kids to baptismand, you know, in confirmations
and conversions and all thisstuff.
I, I have a hard time seeinghow a pope could do something

(27:55):
much worse than that.
Uh, honestly, because do you?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
do you think, um, the the whole thing that happened
with charlotte a couple weeksago, um, where the bishop like,
gave this whole list of thingshe was going, he was going to
ban ed orient them, he was goingto ban kneeling for communion,
all these things.
And then there was this hugeoutburst online and I saw a lot
of people saying, especiallyfrom that diocese, were like,

(28:20):
why are you doing this online?
Like, but I do think thepressure of seeing Pillar
articles written about it it waswritten about in the Catholic
Herald, it was like all of thepublications and all of the
podcasts was coming out and,like, reacting to it, it clearly
had an effect on the bishopAbsolutely, where he said okay,

(28:41):
you know what, I don't want thisbacklash, I'm going to tone it
down and we'll wait to see ifanything comes out of Rome.
Like, do you think something iscoming out of Rome in October?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Well, I think that it wouldn't.
I would put this way I wouldn'tbe surprised if somebody leaked
it to Diane purposefullybecause they wanted to basically
kind of push or nudge Leo intodropping Traditiones Custodis.
That would not surprise me atall.
I mean, she's such a goodjournalist she might have just
was able to get it, no matterwhat.
But it wouldn't surprise me ifsomebody was like okay, now's

(29:13):
the time we never get, you know,because the truth is releasing
when Francis was Pope, what doesthat really help?
It doesn't that much, becauseit's not like he's going to
rescind it.
I mean, he knew he was lyingwhen he did it.
He'd just be like, okay,whatever, we'll just ignore it.
We'll just gaslight people tosay, no, it's not true.
But now that releasing afterhe's dead, it at least gives the
opportunity Like I don't thinkLeo is just going to come out

(29:35):
and say, okay, we rescindTrinidad and Tobias.
I think what will happen isover a series of actions, it
will just be known you don't,don't do this anymore, leave him
alone, let him go, and maybehe'll do certain things to
encourage it.
You know the, the latin mass alittle bit, in ways that francis
never would have, which isn'tthe ideal obviously ideal would

(29:57):
be.
He just says, okay, tradition'scoast is gone, we're back to
simone pontificum or, and hecelebrates latin mass himself.
But, like you know, let'srealistic.
So I just think it'lleventually fade away, cause what
these are like Detroit andCharlotte are both like that are
those are Francis appointmentsthat were done specifically for
this reason.
I've been to Detroit and I'vetalked to a lot of Latin masters
there, including some of thepriests who celebrate the Latin

(30:19):
mass there, and that is tragicbecause Detroit was probably the
best diocese in America for theLatin mass.
It was the most widespread, itwas in so many parishes and the
last Bishop was fine with thatand they all knew.
They all knew when, when a newBishop came it would get shut
down.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
That was under cause.
I remember Voris.
That was Voris's Bishop, right,wasn't he Well?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
there's been a couple since Boris started.
I'm blanking on the guy's name.
He was at the head of theVingeron, or Vingeron, yeah,
vingeron, I think.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Like I said, they really had a widespread.
I mean Latin Mass was there.
I mean I went there and I spokeat I mean I spoke at three
parishes there about deadlyindifference.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
And most dioceses would never let me speak at
their parishes and when did thatstart?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
when did when did you , because I would imagine, when
did you write?
Deadly indifference.
What year was that?
2021, same?
It came out a couple monthsafter I became error crisis.
Really, error crisis also wasmy death knell.
For that, you won't hear funnystories.
I'm not allowed to speak in myown in the diocese where I uh
used to work directly for thebishop for five years.
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Wow.
So were you a public figurebefore you went to like you or
were you just kind of likewriting for places?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
I was like I mean public figures, such a?
I mean, I wrote my first bookin 2010.
I had a popular blog back inthe day.
New advent would run myarticles all the time back in
2010, 2011, things like that.
I went to work for a diocese.
I did speaking engagements, Iwrote Old Evangelization for
Catholic Answers in 16 or 17,something like that, and so,

(31:57):
like I was writing, you know my,my social media presence was
growing, so people knew who Iwas and stuff like that.
But it was really when I wrote,when was, and stuff like that.
But it was really when I wrotewhen I started with crisis.
That then it's like okay, thatkind of broadened and that's
when people started realizingthis guy, he's, he's more well,
it's 2018.
I really came out as more of atrad, and so then it was like

(32:18):
things started to become likeokay, you're not gonna get to
speaking engagements and thetruth is I don, I don't.
I hate to travel.
I like speaking, but I hate totravel.
So it's like I don't like butyou were never in the.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
You were not, because I know you went to Franciscan
right, like you were one ofScott Hahn's students and stuff,
but like you were never in theCatholic speaker circuit during
the heyday of-.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Not on the level of those guys.
I would do some talks, but Iwas never at like the level of
where I'm speaking at likeconferences and stuff like that.
Now, okay, yeah, because thatwas a, that was a weird.
I know all those guys though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of courseokay, let me tell you a little
secret.
Those guys often contact I'm notsaying names, but allow them to
contact me often to say, oh hey, I love what you just said and

(33:00):
it's something there.
They don't feel like they'reallowed to say yeah, and it's
like I don't mind, it's likefine if they're, if they're
doing good work for the church.
I'm not, but I just think it'skind of funny I think, there's a
lot of that, I think.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I think, oh yeah I think there was a few years of
where a lot of the guy you thinkon the francis, like how many
people were irked but couldn'tsay so publicly, like I remember
being upset about it, like I'velearned my catholic faith from
these guys and then we'll go, wego through this in this insane

(33:32):
period and they all kind of justkeep going about things as
business as usual.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I have no problem with like a person on the
speaker circuit, that type ofperson, if they say nothing
about francis I don't that'sfine, not everybody's required
to say something about it.
I just didn't like it when theywould like defend him in ways
they shouldn't have defended him.
It's like just leave it.
And a lot of them did stopdoing that.

(33:56):
Like early on they were bigpope defenders and they kind of
started to realize, okay, thisisn't somebody we want to defend
as much, but but yeah, I justit was.
I'm not going to get onsomebody just because they just
didn't say anything.
I mean, you know, cause they dosome good work.
I mean some of these, you know,I I have seen they do, they say
some good things, they do somegood work.
I just I never, I neverunderstood the, the desire to

(34:20):
like knock down other, like kindof good Catholics.
And this is a guy who literallyjust had a whole video today
where I was knocking down BishopBarron, so I should probably
shut up.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, but I don't think criticizing something
Barron said.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, I actually don't either.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Like I criticized Matt Fradd and Voice of Reason's
conversation but I wasn'tmaking ad hominem attacks on
Matt, like it's like you guyssaid something.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think it's okay.
Yeah, if you, if you saysomething.
This is what the case was withBaron.
Uh, I just felt like his, hiswhole thing about salvation on
Catholics is very muddled andvery misleading and I wanted to
speak out against it.
And I had literally justwritten an appreciation of
Bishop Barron, like two weeksago or something.
So it's not like it's a wholething and same thing with.
I didn't watch that thing withuh, fred and whoever that other

(35:09):
dude is.
Uh, I had never heard of thatguy and I still not sure what
his name is.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Like Alex.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Burrato, but I don't follow that stuff as much.
I just saw the video where hecalled Taylor Marshall trash or
garbage and honestly to me, orgarbage and honestly to me.
When you do that, I just I, Iwill admit it, I just I write
you off, unless you apologizelater, because it's like if you
call somebody else, anotherfellow catholic, garbage like I
wouldn't even call father jamesmartin garbage I mean, it's like

(35:36):
that's just a lot.
And he did it in the kind of amore intimate setting where it's
almost like he's just doing itto a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's like that just is well somebody just said uh,
the picture of frat and a tlmfrat has been to tlms.
What was wild about that picwas that it was frat at a sspx
chapel.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Frat went to the sspx , which is interesting because,
like I said, I didn't see thatthing, but I know, I mean I mean
I don't.
Yeah, matt, matt's a good guy,I agree.
He's pro tradition, very protradition, pro TLM.
I don't know what he said onthat thing, I just know he is
and you know people are likewe're railing on for going to

(36:15):
Byzantine church.
He never became like aByzantine, you know Eastern
Catholic and I don't think thereis one where he lives now and I
don't think there is one wherehe lives now and so he's just my
.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
My issue is not with we've talked about this before
but I have no issue withsomebody who has to escape, like
some mundane Novus Ordo Rightand they go to an Eastern
liturgy, because it's the onlything that I have no issue with
that.
I only take issue when somebodydoes that and then they talk
about how trads need to be putin line and Tradition was a good

(36:45):
thing thing, like that's when Itake issue with it or they
defend the nova sordo.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
It's like dude, you don't even go to it yourself.
I, exactly, I I'm with you onthat, yeah like I, I, I, I, the,
the.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
The state of liturgy in america is so abysmal it's
like we all have to do what wehave to do to get by.
We.
We do have a couple of superchats here that I want to get to
.
Um, everyone claiming him.
Always is about leo.
Everyone's claiming him.
Or is it another flavor of oneparentism?
Let's give everyone what theywant to hear.
Leo the catholic yeah, I, I, Idon't.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I just think it's too early to know wait until he
actually goes after trash orsomething like that, which he
hasn't done, I mean, or adocument, right, right, yeah,
like francis, he really did goafter us.
And so the peronism I I thoughtpeople really overplayed that
whole thing, like he wasn't, hedidn't really do anything for us
.
You know, he never was liketrying to play our side, he was

(37:40):
just fully on the other side.
Yeah, and I think also, I think, like leo, like I think he's
legitimately likes thesetraditional forms of piety.
You're not that good of aspeaker in latin as he is unless
you've done it a lot.
You haven't done it a lotunless you like it.
I mean, maybe it's just helikes it smells.
You know it's his preference,smells and bells, but still I
think it's uh I think there'ssomething to um having.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
There's something to um having a catholic identity
right like I always lovedmichael matt's conference name,
the catholic identity conference, because what it felt like
under francis was that we werelosing our catholic identity,
like he wanted us to be nodifferent from anything else you
saw out in the culture.
So to see Leo bringing out moretraditional vestments and stuff
, like I understand why peopleare getting a little excited

(38:31):
even over the simple things.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, and I think, again, it's objectively good.
Yes, and like the question is Ithink I saw somebody chat say
like when do we kind of get overthe honeymoon I think it's not
necessarily a honeymoon of likethis should be the default.
We've forgotten what thedefault is because of Francis.
A lot of people are youngenough to 12 years of Francis.
They don't really know much ofanother pontificate than his,

(38:53):
and so I totally get I empathize, I sympathize that they have
some PSCT or whatever it'scalled.
You know, I get that.
But like you have to take a stepback and say, okay, let's sit
in the 2000 year tradition ofhow we treat popes and we do
give them a certain benefit ofdoubt, we allow a certain amount
.
You know, we're not like lookingfor a reason, like with Francis

(39:15):
got a point where we werelooking for what was wrong.
That's why I checked out ofcriticizing him at the end,
cause I think that's spirituallydangerous and it really and I
think we've seen that I think alot of people they really harm
their souls.
Francis harmed their soul.
I mean they had to take someresponsibility for it.
But they got so angry, so mad,so cynical about the papacy,
about Francis about the church.

(39:35):
I really think it harmed theirsoul and so I just caution that
the norm should be we justsimply go about our business.
We're not obsessed witheverything he says and does.
If he says something or doessomething that's really
egregious, like really does,like go against the catholic
faith, like that, then yes, somepeople not everybody has to

(39:56):
could say something like I thinkpeople were overreacting to the
whole miracle, the sharing, themiracle of the loaves, like he
wasn't saying there's nomiracles.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
He wasn't saying that wasn't you pope's plain, in a
way the most annoying.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
It is still a boomerism to to compare that to
sharing, don't get me wrong.
Like if I ever hear a priestsay that, I cringe at it, but at
the same time it's not likepeople were saying, oh, he's
denying jesus's miracles.
That's not what he did, and soit's like I think that homily is
pre-written for every pope togo out and say now but it's just

(40:33):
like we've heard that homily somany times.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
It's like we don't.
We don't want to hear about themiracle of sharing.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Guys they taught in their homiletics courses and
seminary problems.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
That is not the most boomer homily ever written.
I don't know what is I mean?
We have been cursed with thatdamn homily for forever.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I need an edit of Khan from Wrath of Khan cursing
Kirk with his final breath.
But it is Francis.
For hate's sake, I spit my lastbreath at thee Taffy if you're
watching you have a mission.
Yeah, true Synodality islistening to the bishops and
reconsider tc viva crystal,right?
Yeah, I think so.
Well, that's what that's.
What I think everybody's hopeis is that if he actually did

(41:14):
synodality in a more like,instead of like trying to push
through a predetermined agenda,right, it would be very
different.
Right, but, like, that's whatFrancis used, synodality is a
vehicle to push through anagenda.
But if you actually did go andlisten to, like, what these
young people are saying abouttheir experience with the Latin

(41:36):
mass, maybe you would getsomething a little bit different
.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Well, the thing is like, if I'm putting, if I'm
like hanging out with people andwe're having a theological,
academic debate, I'm going todefend the idea of synodality
because I actually think it's agood thing in the sense of the
way the early church operated.
I think there should be a moredecentralized way the church
operates.
I don't think it should be 100%centralized at the Vatican like
it has been.

(41:59):
So I would like to say that.
But the problem is that'snothing at all.
It's literally not evenanywhere in the same ballpark as
the synodality that's beenshoved on us, because synodality
does not include the laity.
That's the most important thingto remember.
Synodality is synods of bishopsgetting together and talking
about the Catholic faith debatein local synods.
So, for example, instead ofhaving the usccb, a permanent

(42:22):
bureaucratic institution,instead, what should happen is
every maybe five years, tenyears, not not on regular
schedule, but, like you know, ona regular basis, all the
bishops of america get togetherfor a synod.
Maybe they meet at a monasteryin kansas, not a hotel in
baltimore, and not they don'thave like their whole, like
bureaucratic, you know, staff itup, but they get together and

(42:43):
say, okay, what are the issuesof Catholics in America.
Let's address that, let'sproduce a document, let's
produce a plan for addressingthat.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
The Baltimore Catechism came out of the
Baltimore Synod.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Exactly, Thank you, that's exactly what I'm talking
about.
That's a great use of synods,that is true synodality I mean
nobody would complain about theBaltimore Catechism.
It was a beautiful effect of anactual synod.
Synodality now is just the termthey decided to glom onto to
say, okay, now we're just goingto be a democracy.
I'm going to pretend to be ademocracy, because under Francis
it was a totalitariandictatorship that pretended like

(43:18):
they were a democracy.
We're going to listen to thelay people.
Lay people.
Frankly, I mean, as three laypeople here, we should have no
say in a lot of this stuff.
We really should be the bishopswho get together, they make
these determinations and then wemove on.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, sometimes it feels like when I saw that thing
with the UK bishop saying thatafter the priest denied the
communion, it's like, are thesemen Catholic?
That after the priest deniedthe communion, it's like, like,
are these men catholic?
Like are?
Are we?
Like?
Is the faith I was taught thesame faith these men believe?
And I don't know if it is, butlike we still owe them, like

(43:53):
we're still subject, it reallyis a bizarre time in the church.
Uh, saint ambrose refusedcommunion to theodosius until he
publicly repented.
What do you mean?
The church doesn't do that.
Yeah, on that topic, cigar mode, thank you guys.
Yes, we have no wine holdoverfund.
We lost our sponsor for twomonths.
Don't be cheap.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
But I do have wine to hold us over, oh we have wine,
we just don't have the fundanymore.
I just got to say something.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I remember being being one of the first guests on
the Anthony Abate show.
Whatever you called it backthen it was Avoiding Battle, I
don't remember it was.
You were so humble.
You were like, oh yeah, I'mjust going to talk about like
I'm not going to get involved inthe controversies, I'm just
going to talk about, like youknow, being a better Catholic
stuff, like that.

(44:37):
And now look at you, you'recorporate, you're begging for
money you're talking about MattFradd and like going to the SSPX
.
You have sold out brothercompletely.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Eric you have no idea I will say this I got to call
you out on it, man.
We'll always like we, eventowards the end, like you know
how you stopped talking aboutFrance, like I think all of us
just had such a Francis fatigueby the end of his pontificate,
like it was almost tiresome,like I think like if something

(45:08):
huge came, like when Fiducia'ssupplicants came out, we talked
about that, but like I justdidn't care anymore by the end
of it.
Something too when you're, whenyou do have that little bit of
persecution, that it kind offires up the, the lady, to take
their faith a little moreseriously and to like it it's.

(45:30):
It's a danger to just havethere be like we it, whether it
comes from this like I, allright, so that's what it is.
I think all of us beforefrancis had always expected the
cardinal, uh, francis, george,when he was in chicago.
Cardinal, remember how he putthat statement out.
He goes, I expect my successorto uh, uh, like, uh, like in two

(45:54):
or three successes they woulddie in prison.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Would die in bed.
I would die in jail.
Uh, like in jail.
My president.
President died like would bekilled or something.
Would be a martyr or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
So I think we all had this perception that the church
, the world, would always hateus and as things got more
progressive in the world andthey started trying to legalize
gay marriage and things likethat, the church would hold her
position and her stance and wewould receive persecution from
the world.
But when we started gettingthat persecution from within the
church, I think it sent all ofus for a loop.

(46:25):
Like none of us were expectingthat we were getting in trouble
by the hierarchy for beingCatholic.
It was a weird time.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Two things grew the traditional mass more than
anything in this country atleast COVID and Francis.
There's no question whatsoever,like I know, francis actually
shut down.
There's less parishes thanthere were, tlms than there were
a couple of years ago.
But the fact is there are far,far more people who attend the
TLM, and not only that, but arevery, or at least are trad

(46:53):
friendly because of Francis,because they realize it's just,
it's so ridiculous.
And so you put COVID in Francetogether ago.
That's why we get.
I don't believe the pew surveysaid it's like you know, uh, two
percent of all catholics tendto tlm weekly.
But at the same time it's a.
It's enough of a force that thepew study actually ask about it
.
Think about that.
It's not like they even knewwhat the tlm was two years ago.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
now they're asking about the pew study.
That's true, because Pew studydoes like everything, like they
do evangelical surveys.
They do like surveys oneverything.
So for them to even ask aboutthe Latin mass what was that one
, rob?
It's refreshing.
What it's refreshing to see aCatholic on the show instead of
a double digit IQ freemasongetting on.

(47:37):
Jason Jones or Owen Schroyer,jason's great man, yeah, maybe
Eric can put us in touch withjason.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah, I'd be happy to put you in touch with him.
That guy is the real deal.
He's kind of crazy, but youknow, in a good way he's crazy
but I kind of like what he's.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I mean he's like on the ground in palestine trying
to like what I mean it's likeyou cannot like.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I love when people because I've run a lot of his
articles and I tell you what, ohman, I've lost.
I have lost a lot ofsubscribers to crisis over the
past just a couple weeks even,but since october 7th, because
we run articles critical ofisrael and you know we have a,
our, our podcast is more younger, skewing, our articles are more

(48:17):
, not boomer, but definitelyolder, and so we have a lot of
boomers and boy, they do nottake criticism israel.
I know we're not going to talkabout that right here, but the
point about Jason is, I love ithow people call him an
anti-Semite and he's literallyin like Palestine and Israel,
helping like Jews who are likedisplaced.
He's literally helping Jews andthese guys from their desks,

(48:39):
you know, behind their desk inAmerica, are saying he's an
anti-Semite because he doesn'tthink Israel should be
destroying Gaza.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
It's like, you know, shut up and go All right, a good
cue for us to switch over tothe other side, because I
definitely want to get into thistopic.
It's one where I think I go alittle bit further than you do,
but I know you.
I mean they just I just saw anarticle about you.
They're putting you in therewith Dave Smith and a couple of
other people, which I know youwere thrilled about, and Daryl.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Cooper, I was just like this is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
And the week that I was on.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Tom Woods.
Daryl Cooper was the guest toobefore me.
I'm like there we go, baby.
But when I was in the samearticle as Dave Smith, I was
like okay, now he's not there,man.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I haven't listened to him forever Before he blew up.
So we're going to get into that, because I go further than you
do, but I'm still Also trying tofind the proper Catholic
response to this topic.
So we're going to go over theother side.
We're going to discuss the JQ.
Eric is a well-knownanti-Semite.
And, yes, moral money.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Go get it now All the good anti-Semite.
And, yes, moral money.
Go get it now, all the goodanti-Semites they use Bitcoin.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Well, maybe we will even talk about that.
You got to get money out of thecentral banks.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Actually, I'm sure people literally think, probably
that Bitcoin is a Jewish plot,so all the it's a Jewish plot
too.
That's the beautiful thingabout Bitcoin it's a Jewish plot
to take over the world and it'sthe currency of anti-Semites.
Well how is it different from?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
usury or interest, right?
How's what different?
So you wrote the book MoralMoney, right?
I'm not going to actuallyexplain the entire book, but
give us a little synopsis ofwhat your what your position is
on Bitcoin.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Basically, I came to the conclusion, before Bitcoin
was even invented, that fiatmoney is fundamentally immoral.
It's immoral, it violatesnatural law, it violates
Catholic social teaching andmostly because it can be
inflated, which steals moneyfrom people, it harms the poor,
all these things.
The book explains why.
But that's the major point Amoral form of money, far more
moral, is gold.
And gold is a moral form ofmoney because nobody can fully

(50:53):
control it.
Nobody can just create it outof nothing.
It has to be mined, all thatstuff.
The problem is, before Bitcoin,I was like well, gold is great,
except for it just doesn't workin the modern world.
You simply can't buy things inAmazon, you can't do whatever
with gold.
So I was like wouldn't it begreat if you had a form of money
that was as efficient as fiatcurrency but as moral as gold?

(51:15):
And then Bitcoin is created.
And so it's like so I'm SatoshiNakamoto, is what I'm trying to
say.
I'm finally revealing myself tothe world.
And so it's like so I'm SatoshiNakamoto, is what I'm trying to
say.
I'm finally revealing myself tothe world.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I invented Bitcoin.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Now, when did you make your first billion?
What year was that?
Did you see the guy who's madat me?
He literally said I saidsomething about we have to care
for the poor.
He literally said you need tosell a Bitcoin and buy me a car
so I can get to the Latin mass.
And I was like I thought he wascrazy.
Then later he posted tosomebody else.
He said Bitcoin billionaire radtrad Eric Sammons won't buy me

(51:47):
a car.
He hates the car he hates.
For now, I do want to say onething, Anthony I really do wish
actually that you wouldn't callme a billionaire, because
there's a lot of Bitcoin peoplewho are getting like attacked
literally physically becausethey think and people might
actually think this guy, I think, thinks I'm actually a
billionaire.
To be a billionaire, I need tohave like 10 000 bitcoin I think

(52:08):
that's right which, when Ifirst started, bitcoin was like
500 and I was working for adiocese.
Do you really think I hadenough money to buy?
What is that I?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I started that bit as like a complete joke like it
was just like I know becauseyou've always talked about
bitcoin and I remember justbeing like, yeah right, you're
bitcoin billionaire, but like itwas a complete throwaway joke.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
But I know this guy.
Literally I said I screencaptured that and sent to my
family chat my kids and stuffand they were just dying.
They were just like, and likemy son-in-law was like why am I
even working if you're abillionaire dad?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
That is true, yeah, yeah.
Why would you even be involvedwith any of this nonsense if you
were that well off?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I mean, I'm not a billionaire, a Bitcoin
billionaire, anything like that,and so like, yeah, but that's
my basic point is that Bitcointakes the kind of usefulness,
efficiency, issues of fiat moneyand combines with the moral
properties of gold and it makesit the most moral form of money
we have.
So that's the pitch.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
You have another book coming, buy it at my website,
ericssammonscom.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I'm sorry, I actually ruined your plug.
Plug that again.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
You can buy it at ericssammonscom.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
You can buy it anywhere else, but you get a
signed copy.
You can buy it with bitcoin atmy site, ericsammonscom, or with
credit cards.
So that's pretty.
That's my plug.
Hey, if you're here showing,you, take usury to buy your book
, okay what's that?

Speaker 3 (53:31):
you'll take usury to sell your book.
I see how I don't understandthe usury thing, because gold
isn't usury and bitcoin no, no,no you say credit card, you say,
you can buy it I will acceptusury in order to buy my book.
I mean, look at you, how areyou getting these payments on
YouTube?
That's all usury, oh man.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
We're slaves to the system.
I don't know Now that it's acomplete shill factory.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I am shilling my books here all the time.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
You have another book coming down the pipe also.
I have two more books comingdown the pike, so I have one
that I hope comes out this fall.
This is a big deal to me.
It's a novel.
It's a science fiction novel ohwow.
And it's set 100 years or so inthe future.
The world is recovering from anAI revolt and the Vatican is
now the powerful controlling theworld, and there's a mysterious

(54:22):
signal deep in space that thePope sends a crew out to
investigate.
That's all I'll say.
So, I have the first draftwritten.
I'm working through it now.
I'm hoping it gets out in thefall.
Then I'm also, though I'vesigned a contract to write a
book, the Catholic Guide inArtificial Intelligence, so I'm
going to dig very deep, which isinteresting Under Leo yeah,
that the Catholic guide inartificial intelligence.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
So I'm going to dig very deep, which is interesting
under Leo.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, that's a good time.
I'm a little nervous now,though, because I signed this
contract like before Leo waselected and I'm super excited
about like he's into it and he'sa mathematician and all that,
but I'm a little nervous that,like if his encyclical comes out
on AI, like after my book comesout right before and it's
published, I'm like I gotta getthat timing right to like you
know.
I mean, obviously, it's allabout making money here.
That's what we're about I'mpulling up the vatican saying yo

(55:08):
leo, papa, you got to make surelet's coordinate this baby,
let's get this, you know itwould be funny if you said
something in your book thatcontradicted the encyclical.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I don't think I will, but like who knows I mean, it's
like you know, that's that'sthe funny thing.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
So I don't think I will, but like who knows, I mean
it's like you know, that's.
That's the funny thing.
So.
I don't think it will, becauseI'm just going to apply Catholic
principles to it and like my,my, like my, my written some of
it already but like myintroduction to this AI book is
starts off by saying artificialintelligence is amazing and
unsettling and that's kind oflike the whole point of the book

(55:40):
is like it is.
I think people I get, so Idon't get frustrated, but it's
like kind of weird People kindof discounting what it can do.
Oh, we can do a lot.
It's amazing what it can do,but at the same time it is
unnerving what it can do, likeit's weird.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I just know when I try to use Siri and I say
diocesan it can't get that out.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Or any diocesan it can't get.
Any other word is theories, isthe running joke of the ai world
.
Because it can't, because applecan't do ai, they fail
miserably and everybody makesfun of them for it.
But like trying, to say you knowhow to use ai.
Like these chat bots, you canget a lot out of them.
I mean, it's and it's a littlespooky.
You know what the spookiestthing is?
The people who develop AI don'tknow why it's so good.
Yeah, they don't even know.

(56:25):
And it's like, and I gottheories and I won't go to here,
but like the point is is likeso when my that book, when the
novel, comes out, when the bookcomes out, I got to be back on
the show.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah, of course, anytime.
You're always welcome, eric.
Come on with us, so you alwayshave an open invite anytime you
have anything to plug.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
so all right, we're gonna go to the other one last
thing, though I did note, I didlook you are like more than
double my subscribers at youtube, so I have to congratulate you.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I'm honestly very surprised he didn't bring that
up I I'm.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
He's a humble man.
We've always known that aboutyou.
Want to know something?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
subscribers mean nothing, like our viewers are
the same.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
No one listen to.
Anthony.
You all mean a lot to us.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
They do.
You know what it does.
It gets you better guests.
People will be willing to comeon and stuff Our views have been
in the same arena for the pastyear.
We get between 5,000 and 10,000views on every video.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Keep on making sure you focus on talking about matt
frad and people like that, andI'm sure you'll keep going up,
buddy no no I think it's great,I'm just, I'm just kidding those
are.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Those are the ones that always get us the big.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Remember when you passed me and you made a big
deal about it and I didn'treally pay attention because
it's not like I actually watchyour show.
And so then all of a sudden Isaw today, I was like, oh my
gosh, look we are, we'll do iton the other side.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Rob, bring us over to the other side, because I'll
tell Eric some stuff over there.
Let's go over there, hold on.
Locals oh also, before you evencut it Locals Thursday.
I don't have work Friday, soLocals Thursday is going to be a
fun show.
Rob and I are going to bedrinking some cocktails.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I don't work Thursday or Friday.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I beers deep before we rob a few beers.
In the last time I drank on theshow we got hawaiian pigeon.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
We read the bible in hawaiian pigeon, which was a
blast, which was probablyblasphemous, but it was funny.
All right, take us out, rob,okay.
Well, hold on, let me giveeveryone the link real quick.
Subscribe to locals.
That's literally all you havesubscribe to locals.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I hate we always these this.
The youtube feed always goesout on like a.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Just a awkward okay, I'll actually play something
real quick, thank you, okay,okay, so um uh, I was gonna say

(59:13):
something about.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Uh, I forgot, I don't even care, all right, so the
you getting mentioned in thatarticle, um, had you even really
been publishing that much acrisis about this topic.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Well, it's just because of a tweet I made and I
have enough.
I have enough reach on Twitter.
I'm still beating you.
So there we go.
But, like I think I am actuallyhaving checked, I have no idea
how many followers you have.
I just know I was way ahead ofyou at one point, so I'm hoping
I still and that's going to beembarrassing if you're like, I'm
at like 26 or something onTwitter and I'm in the forties.
I know that, um, but like I, itwas just because I get a reach

(59:50):
like some of my tweets to getthey go pretty far, and
especially ones like that Causeall I said on that one was like
Catholics can't support apreemptive uh, you know,
basically a preemptive war likethis, uh, and nothing to do with
I mean, obviously I do withisrael bombing iran, but it
wasn't like anything to do withisrael in particular.
But we've run like the funnything is I've turned down a

(01:00:11):
number of articles that areanti-israel because I felt like,
okay, I'm not going to overdoand beat that drum and I'm open
to articles that defend israel,but most of my git are so Like,
they're just so liketheologically a mess like
Zionists.
I'm like I'm not going to runthat Like if somebody wants to
defend why America shouldsupport Israel from a political

(01:00:31):
standpoint and they write itwell and they defend it well,
and it's a Catholic, I'm happyto.
I would be willing to run thatcrisis because I think it's a
legitimate opinion you can have.
But all the stuff I get is justlike zionist crap and I'm just
like, no, I'm not gonna run that.
And I've run anti-zionist stuffand I've had podcasts about it,
and so, yeah, I just, and it'sfunny, I, I, I'm.

(01:00:53):
I've had people that that Iknow well who have basically
like disassociated with mebecause they say I hate jews,
and it's like you've seen whatI've said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
You know, I'm like pretty mild actually that's what
I was gonna say because, likeyou do see, like look I.
I think the like thelibertarian approach to just
saying, look, I don't thinkamerica should fund israel.
Like I, I don't see how that'seven remotely controversial to
me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Like that's what's funny about it is I don't.
People are like oh, you tradsall hate the Jews.
I'm like I didn't come to myviews about America supporting
or not supporting Israel from myCatholic faith.
I'm not saying my Catholicfaith doesn't have something to
it, it's more from mylibertarian political views that
I don't think America shouldsupport any country and so like.
That's why I was against theUnited States supporting Ukraine

(01:01:40):
.
I was against the United Statessupporting Ukraine.
I'm against them supportingIsrael.
I just wanted to get out of allthis stuff.
So.
But you cannot say that withoutbeing called anti-Semite,
hating Jews.
These days it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
So we I used to have like the position where I mean
because we were even talkingabout boomers tonight and stuff
like that Like even trying totalk that with my dad is such a
difficult thing Like he just hasthis propaganda that's been run
through him because he was soclose to the Second World War
and you know, you grow upwatching Sophie's Choice and you

(01:02:11):
grow up watching Schindler'sList and this propaganda just
kind of gets like it's so deepin in the older generations.
And then what?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
happens deep in the older generations, and then 9-11
happens.
The real danger, the realproblem, really, when it comes
to this, is that the myth thatgrew up after World War II.
And, just to be clear, I thinkthe Holocaust happened.
I don't see any reason tochallenge the six million figure
.
I don't really care about thesix million figure as far as the
details of what the numberexactly is.

(01:02:41):
I think Hitler was off.
I'm sorry, but you can't knowwho.
Dietrich von, not Dietrich vonHilderbrand is without being
anti-Nazi as a Catholic, I'msorry.
It's just stupid.
The Anon accounts that aretrying to be based and edgy by
being pro-Nazi, like trying tobe based and edgy by being

(01:03:02):
pro-Nazi.
And Hilderbrand was a, you know,is a giant of the faith of the
20th century and that guy wasHitler's worst enemy and he saw
it.
So I'm not saying all that.
But the point is is that itbecame this thing where and like
and I also think that Jews havebeen persecuted for thousands
of years, and legitimatelythat's awful.
But then it became like theywould see any criticism as, oh,

(01:03:25):
that's the first step to theconcentration camps.
Yeah, and I've had that peoplewrite to me where, like, they
will acknowledge, okay, maybewhat you publish wasn't
explicitly anti-semitic, but weknow what you're doing is,
you're building a base, you'rekind of laying the groundwork so
that we can have concentrationcamp someday.

(01:03:46):
And I'm like, well, if that'sthe case, then what you're
saying is literally, the jewscan never do anything wrong.
No jew, no personal jew, canever do anything wrong.
Israel can never do anything.
We can never criticize them.
If that's the case.
That just that defies logic.
That's just ridiculous.
So, yes, there is reallyanti-semitism, but at the same
time we got to be able tocriticize anybody.

(01:04:06):
What, what?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
about from a theological standpoint
standpoint, though.
So you had you have the thejews, because the, the the early
church is jewish.
It's it.
There's basically a schism thathappens and the early church is
Jewish.
There's basically a schism thathappens and the early church is
Jewish.
So some of the.

(01:04:28):
Jews First century.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Right by the second century it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Right after the Ascension you have the original
apostles and Peter goes andpreaches to the Jews and 3,000
convert on Pentecost.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
By 90, when John is writing the apocalypse, it's
it's already non-jewish by thenbut yeah, yeah, it's breaking
apart because really by the 60,because that's the whole judaism
controversy.
And the fact is, is that thereason they one of the reasons?
I mean the power of the holyspirit is the ultimate reason.
But I've seen the early church.
There was a comfortable placefor people who followed the

(01:05:02):
Mosaic law and still could bepart of the church.
In fact, most of them early ondid that.
And then even by the time oflike the 50s, james, for example
, the Bishop of Jerusalem.
He was well known.
He was famously.
He followed all the prescriptsbetter than anybody.
The Jews even said he's thebest Jew of us all and he was
obviously the bishop ofjerusalem until he I think it

(01:05:23):
was around 60 ad is when he waswhen he was martyred.
So you see that.
But then of course, that can'tlast because the mosaic law
isn't part of the.
You know, following the exactprescription.
Mosaic law isn't part ofcatholicism.
So it's going to be dropped andthat's going to make a lot of
jews, people who are Jewish, whogrew up like that.
That's a big hurdle for them todrop that.

(01:05:44):
I mean you saw what a bighurdle it was for I mean, paul
literally needed to get knockedoff his horse to do it.
So I think that just wasinevitable, you know it's going
to break up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Historically, there's this enmity between the Jews
who reject the new covenant andreject Christ Right, and that's
that story is prefigured in Cainand Abel Right, and that story
is prefigured in Jacob and Esau,and that story is prefigured.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Oh Genesis.
I'm reading Genesis right now.
It's all about the youngerbrother.
Exactly, it gets.
It gets the covenant provincespromises that the young, the
older brother was supposed toget, and it always goes to the
younger brother Right, andthat's what we found.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
So now you have this enmity that is built in to the
fact that they reject the newcovenant and that develops over
2,000 years.
Look, we're claiming God choseus, not really.
A covenant is obviously open tothem and it is available to

(01:06:44):
them, but they fundamentallyreject the idea that Gentiles
could be part of the covenantwith God.
Now that develops over 2000years.
Now there is something, becauseI know it's.
I'm not trying to stereotypeall Jews in any way, but there
is something to that enmitywhere they want to see Christian

(01:07:07):
civilization fall apart Likethey do.
There's something about themputting into the world like yes,
of course, not all Jews arepornographers and stuff.
But there is something too thata majority of pornography is
produced by Jews and themajority of banking is Jews, and
it's like all of these thingsdo affect Christian culture.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
I don't think, like I wouldn't say like you kind of
made it sound like it's almostlike a plot to undermine
Christian culture.
I think it's more a matter of,if you look just at historical
consequences of what's happened,so they are deeply persecuted
throughout their entire history.
I mean, that's kind of,hopefully is non-controversial,
say that, and a lot of, a lot ofpersecution comes from

(01:07:50):
christians, uh, and so like.
But the more important thing is, in the societies they lived in
, they had to find ways tosurvive.
Now the one thing is true Idon't care, I don't know what
this sounds like, but the factis Jews, disproportionately, are
smarter, harder working, youknow, than the average person.
That's just part of their DNA.

(01:08:11):
And so what happens is they'rein these situations in which
they're.
If you look at, for example,the rise of Hollywood, you see
that, like you have two thingscoming together.
You see that you have twothings coming together they're
in these situations where theyneed to survive and they need to
do jobs that the Christiansdon't want to do, and they need
to get into industries that theChristians are a little bit
leery about.

(01:08:32):
And so, for example, hollywood,the early days, that's
something a lot of faithfulCatholics and Christians were
like I don't know about that.
And the Jews were like, well, wecan succeed at this.
So because they're driven tosucceed, I mean just all of us
are on some level, but I thinkthey have a higher drive to
succeed.
They're intelligent, they'rehardworking, all of that they
can get into that.
And then you combine that withthe fact that, frankly, the

(01:08:54):
modern Judaism when I say modern, I mean like for a long time
now, hundreds of years now it'smoral code just isn't very good.
I mean of years now, it's moralcode just isn't very good.
I mean there's just no, that'sjust the fact.
It's not like they have thesame moral code that we do.
So.
So the idea of all of a suddenpornography being, you know,
kind of an outgrowth ofhollywood, I mean there's all,
even pornography.

(01:09:14):
We know what I mean.
But like you know the films andindustry, the way it is
industry, and so it just makesit.
I don't think you have to havelike I always try to look for
the simplest explanation and Idon't think you have to have a
like jewish plot to underminethe.
I don't I don't think there'slike much as you just like they
just fell into these things likepornography because of the fact

(01:09:37):
that they're doing to succeed,they don't have the moral code.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
We do you, you do have things, though, where, like
you know, in the russian empirethere are two percent of the
population but 20 percent of thebolshevik party and 40 percent
of the nkvd officers whocommitted the the um.
Hello to the war.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
but so okay, then we have the question of okay, what
do we mean by a jew?
Because so many of them wereatheist jews?
Yeah, that's, a lot of themwere atheist Jews.
Yeah, that's true, a lot ofthem were.
And so do we count that againstJudaism?
No, yeah, I don't know if ithas.
So much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
It's a weird thing.
Like what is a Jew?
Even?
Right, like it's.
Because you see, even intoday's day, like you get guys
like Eric Weinstein and you getSam Harris, they're like
well-known atheists, right.
But then when it comes to thezionist project, like they,

(01:10:30):
there's something because, look,the idea of religion is a very
catholic idea, right, like thejews are a people more than
they're a religion or it's a,it's a.
You know, they do have thisidentity of being jewish,
whether they believe theprecepts of the faith, they hold
or not, More so than probablyany religion.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Catholicism has that some, but no question Judaism
has that more than any other.
So even if you're a completeatheist, never went to synagogue
in your life.
It's your people, yeah youstill?
Identify as a Jew, and it'slike what we were talking about
before with Catholic identity.
I wish Catholics would be morelike that, not that we become
atheists and so we act likewe're Catholic, but the idea of
this is important, that wedefend Catholicism, our cultural

(01:11:06):
inheritance right, Ourbirthright, essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
But you do have conflicts between your Ashkenazi
Jews and the Mizrahi Jews thatinhabited the Holy Land prior to
the Zionist project.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Oh, there's a lot of Jews that are very much against
the Zionist project, right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
So it's not just a religion or it's so weird,
because the Zionist group reallyis the you know, those who at
least were at one time Jewish inin, like the pale of settlement
over in eastern europe, likethat seems to be their in group,
and anyone outside of thatgroup jewish, non-jewish,

(01:11:48):
atheist, whatever you know isoutside of that group so, so,
okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
So with father maudsley.
Conversation with fathermaudsley made me start thinking
about was, um, the he'llstraight out say that the state
of Israel is Satan's kingdom onearth.
Like he'll say that, and atfirst I was like shocked by that

(01:12:15):
.
And it's like, because we'vealways had the debate.
It's like, well, does Israelhave a right to exist?
And it's like, well, they don'thave a divine right.
But I would have said, well,they have a natural right to
have their own land.
But especially in seeing likeEric, you could even see this
from the way they manipulateAmerican politicians, right,
like they have their fingers inevery American politician to the

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point where it's like you haveTed Cruz coming out and saying
they're twisting Bible versesaround to say the most insane
things to support some of thisstuff.
So that's something that I hadto start thinking.
And the other thing, holocaustdenial, is something I never
would have thought about.
Like I would have said, similarto you it's like, why even
challenge the six millionnarrative, why even talk about

(01:12:59):
the Holocaustocaust?
Like, well, you're almostdefeating your argument, because
people then can just kind ofput you in a box, in a category.
And it's like, but the onething that unsettled me about it
is if I'm not look, there wereclearly concentration camps,
clearly tons of people died inthem.
But if that story is twisted ina way after world war ii to

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make it sound like the, the, thegermans had this obsession with
, uh, like the some of thestories that come out of, but
hitler was obsessed witheliminating.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
I know he was, I know he was absolutely every german
did.
I mean it's like the holocaustthing.
It's like I just don't get.
We know solid catholics wholive during the time.
I mean, like um, theresa newman, uh, trez the stigmatist.
She was very you know she wasliving in germany with during
the rise of it, and she's astigmatist who just like was

(01:13:53):
just like blows your mind whenyou hear about her very
anti-nazi, understood what theywere doing.
So like I think you can say,yes, nazis were evil, hitler was
evil.
They went after the jews.
They killed tons and tons andtons of jews all that being said
, then we I think you thenseparate that and say and that

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does not mean, however, that wecan't ever criticize jews to the
end of time, and I think that'sa better way, because what they
want to do is they see themyths that came out that
basically you can't criticize,and so, like the younger
generation, particularly theythey overreact and say okay, now
we're going to deny the actualwhat started it all, which was
the holocaust.
But I think I just want to goback to what you said, though,

(01:14:33):
about like israel being satan'skingdom.
I just don't get that, becausehave we forgotten how evil the
islamic countries are aroundthem?
Like I'm somebody who thinks weshould not like israel's bad,
they're, they're, they're thebad guys, some one of the many
bad guys in this story, don'tget me wrong.
But like you get killed if yousay anything about catholicism

(01:14:54):
in saudi arabia.
Yeah, but this is, this is noway no, but my point is no,
that's the point is why are wepointing out that that israel
somehow a special evil likesatan's kingdom?
Why isn't iran satan's kingdom,or why isn't uh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
I think probably because of the potential no, no
it might play in the eschatonright, that's exactly like I
think that's what we're getting.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
I think I think the the modern state of israel has
nothing to do with the eschaton.
I really think it's just.
It's just a, it's a state.
That just happens as the name,and you might be right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Like I said, like this conversation is because I'm
trying to figure out the propercatholic position on it like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
I'm not in any way like I'm not even arguing with
you, I'm just kind of sayingwhat I've heard and seen.
And, like what you said aboutmodsley, like I think that I get
nervous.
I'll just say it.
I get nervous when people do Imean I hate it.
Like cruz, like why are youobsessed with the jews at tucker
carlson dude?
It's like they're doing all thestuff we're not talking about
because they were obsessed.
But I do think there's somepeople who are obsessed to

(01:15:50):
choose.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
I get you look and and the crazy thing is, no, let
me say this because anybody whogoes down this topic, they get
like obsessed with this.
It's like bizarre, right?
They see Jews everywhere.
They see Jews everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Yeah, like a Jew bomb it's like and I've never you
don't think like Iran or SaudiMuslim countries wouldn't do
exactly what the Jews are doingin America influencing the
government if they could.
They just don't have atheological fake way of doing it
.
I mean, you know it wasbeautiful because the
evangelicals were so stupid tobuy into all this

(01:16:24):
dispensationalist and stuff thatthe, the israel was able to
take advantage of that.
You don't think if there wasn'tsome evangelical strand that
was popular that was like themuslims are going to somehow
bring about the coming of christ, you don't think saudi arabia,
iran, wouldn't have used that toinfluence our government?

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
of course.
So that's why I just don't getthe specialness of the Jews.
It's kind of like because ofthat enmity with the younger
brother and the older brotherthat exists, like I know.
I know it's like I know youdon't like to think there's ever
anything like it's weird whenpeople obsess on the end times

(01:16:59):
and stuff, but it's kind of hardfor me to not see what is
happening in the world right nowas building up to something,
especially when, when you seelike the Catholic faith kind of
collapsing around the world andand then you see Israel taking
this stance where they are andoh.

(01:17:20):
And the other thing that Mosleypointed out was the way the
story is told after world wartwo and the Holocaust.
It, what it does to the Germanpeople, is so like they are,
like it destroyed generations ofGerman people because they have
this guilt for this thingthat's put on them and it also

(01:17:40):
should.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
In a certain sense.
I mean that's, that's what evildoes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
It also does it to the Jewish people, right,
Because the Jews are being toldevery little thing is also does
it to the jewish people, right?
Because the jews are being toldevery little thing is going to
lead to the holocaust, rightlike there's.
There's something toxic aboutthe way they tell that story
that every jew thinks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
If you say anything like, the holocaust is coming
literally telling five-year-oldkids that your neighbors are
probably gonna, that you playwith their kids, they'll
probably turn us in before long.
I mean they're literallytelling their kids that a lot of
them and I think that isextremely unhealthy.
I mean it really warps yourwhole sense of reality and it's
why any criticism of Israellater on becomes these guys want

(01:18:17):
to throw us into camps.
It's like, oh my gosh, I haveno idea what you're talking
about, but it's because from dayone, the Holocaust I mean I
think there was some type ofsurvey done of Jews where, like,
the Holocaust was number onefor the most defining
characteristics of being Jewish.
Was the Holocaust Not belief inone God, not like the Passover,

(01:18:37):
the law or anything.
No, it was the Holocaust, and Ithink.
But that it's like that showshow evil works, though that,
like Hitler's evil and the factthat germany allowed that evil
to happen and all that andallowed it to rise up, is, and
really maybe that was kind ofpaying due for a lot of the
actual christian anti-semitismover the centuries.

(01:18:57):
It came due, and so then theresult is you do have this
backlash the other way and we doneed to move away from that,
but it's it's.
It makes sense to me that youhave this building anti-Semitism
.
That then, just finally, I'mnot saying like the Middle Ages
is all like one or twoanti-Semitic, but there was this
anti-Semitism.
It exploded in Germany and itwas allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Why, like?
Where did it come from?
Why did it explode in Germany?

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
I think that I think it has.
That's a great question.
I mean, I don't know aboutGermany particularly, but kind
of like, why has there alwaysbeen anti-Semitism?
I think there's a lot ofreasons.
I think there's theologicalreasons, that the fact that the
Jews if you look at the earlychurch and St John Chrysostom,
people like that, talk aboutthis, where the Jews are blamed,
they're given a corporate blamefor this.

(01:19:45):
And I think that you know, whenCatholicism was a dominant
religion in the Middle Ages,that no other religion was very
welcome.
But the Jews always were veryindustrious and that might be a
stereotype, but the truth isthey're very.
It's like an impressive featureof theirs is how smart they are,
industrious, stuff like that,and so they were able to survive

(01:20:06):
.
And it's easy then to see themas when something goes wrong,
they can be a very much ascapegoat and they do things
wrong sometimes like I'm not oneof the things, like they've
been innocent, like their wholehistory, but, and so that kind
of flares up and then it justand of course lots of things
cause nazi germany because withworld war one, getting rid of of
all the monarchs and all thatstuff, it all combined that

(01:20:31):
Hitler was able to rise to powerfor a lot of reasons, but the
Jews were very convenientlylocated for him to help his rise
and to give a rallying cry, andthere are consequences of that.
So it makes sense to me,historically, to say okay, we
have this conflagration where,all of a sudden, the Jews are
slaughtered in massive numbers,we have the Holocaust.

(01:20:52):
There's going to be the counterreaction, which is, for at
least some period of time,nobody's going to ever say
anything against any Jewishperson ever, and I think that's
understandable.
That's human nature.
I do think, though, we shouldbe getting to a time, because of
the evil Israel is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
The council, with documents like no sure tete and
like just our, just our approach, like, because I, I don't think

(01:21:33):
you can separate I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
What do you mean by infiltration, do you are?
You say infiltration?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
that makes me sound like a coordinated effort, like
the marxist infiltration was Idon't think it was like all jews
, but I do think, like what I'msaying, jewish infiltration.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
I'm asking what you mean by infiltration there
because, let me explain, I'llI'll.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
So I think that there was a Jewish lobby that lobbied
, especially after world war two, right, like you have, because
you can't take John Paul thesecond away from his upbringing
in in Poland and witnessingthose things happening, right.
So, like those guys all livethrough that event and it was so

(01:22:11):
fresh in their mind.
And then they're coming intothe council, which was
originally supposed to be about,you know, whatever it was
supposed to be about.
And then, all of a sudden, when, when John the 23rd dies, they
start redoing all of the all ofall the documents before he died
.
But yeah, yeah, all of all thedocuments before he died.

(01:22:33):
But yeah, yeah.
So now for documents like, even, even look, you even say, like
the old evangelization right,our approach to ecumenism, like
our approach to how, how we, howwe approach other religions.
I don't think it was all jews,I think there was a jewish lobby
that lobbied the church to getaway from this idea that we are
the one true church and you knowthat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
I think there were Protestants that were lobbying.
I think there was Orthodox orlobbying.
I think there was a lot.
I mean the Orthodox came fromRussia, russian from Russia.
The Orthodox Russia came onlybecause they were that the
Vatican agreed they would notcondemn communism.
Because the Vatican agreed theywould not condemn communism.
I mean that's a far worse thingthan any Jewish influence in my

(01:23:12):
mind, because you couldn't evencondemn the worst evil going on
in the world during a council.
That's just ridiculous, just soyou could have some Orthodox
show up.
I mean that's just ridiculous.
So that's far worse.
So it wouldn't surprise me atall that there was Jewish
influence.
That's different thaninfiltration, though.
I think it was pricin influence, more pricin influence that

(01:23:32):
really led to things like thedecree on ecumenism and like the
, the toning down of sayinganything, like we're the one
true church, saying we just needto dialogue, so yeah, so uh.
But I was like here's the thingthere didn't need to be jews
saying that the the era of thetime in the early 60s was.
We all feel guilty.
It's not just Germany.

(01:23:52):
The whole world feels guiltyfor what we did to the Jews and
to all of Europe particularly.
And so you really think in theearly 1960s they wouldn't have
produced a document that's goingto be very friendly.
Of course, that's the way it is,you wouldn't have to have a Jew
asking, jew asking to do that.
They just would naturally belike oh man, we got to do
something about this yeah, Ithink so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
You think we changed our good friday liturgy without
any pressure I don't know, but Idon't think we.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
My point is we wouldn't have needed pressure
from jews to do it.
I think just the collectiveguilt that europeans felt
because of the holocaust putpressure.
I think catholics, for example,were pressuring the vatican to
change the prayers.
I think you know, and so I'mnot saying jews didn't do some
pressure, but I don't think itwas like a jewish plot.

(01:24:41):
I'm trying to use the word plotin a in a really over
overwrought way.
I'm just saying like, right, Ithink they would have changed
that the prayers even withoutjewish.
Even there was, even there waszero jewish influence.
Directly, I think they wouldhave, because they just had this
collective guilt that they justrealized.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Oh see, I got it down I still think that there is and
I'm not saying all jews, but Ido think there is a significant
number of Jews who are stillawaiting their Messiah and their
Messiah.
They still want him to be theBarabbas figure.
They still want they.
They want a Messiah who willconquer the world in the name of

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Israel.
Now, this I'm not.
I don't think this is.
You know, I'm trying to becareful about how I talk about.
That's why we're doing thisover here and not on youtube.
But I do still think that thereis.
They are still a people andthey still, I mean zionism
really is just the new zealotry.
Right, they're just the newzealots yeah, like the zealots,
but like I, I think in order forthere to be this mass

(01:25:44):
conversion of the jews at theend of that, they need to be a
people still and that they needto fall for the false Messiah
when he comes, for theAntichrist.
When he comes, he will be theirMessiah and he will turn on
them and then there will be thismass conversion at the end of
time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
I mean that's speculative, there's not like a
definitive theological basis forwhat you just said, but it's
not like saying it's absolutelywrong can't happen.
I just think that I think that,honestly, there's a mistaken
interpretation, commoninterpretation, of what Paul is
saying, that you know about the,you know the conversion of Jews
before the end.
I think it's more a matter ofjust like all you know, all

(01:26:24):
people, including many, willcome to Christ at the end.
Of course, a lot of people willnot.
There'll be a great fallingaway and so, like there will be
a, but I think that will happenfor, like the Orthodox, the
Protestants, the, there'll belike a certain incoming of
people, muslims, whoever.

(01:26:44):
That will happen and like, yeah, maybe there's a certain
special place for the Jews.
Of course, there's a big issue,of course, which I'm not
honestly, I'm not sure where Ifeel about the jews today, their
religion versus the jews of,like christ time, their religion
.
There's the whole thing aboutwhen the temple left.
Then it changes into adifferent religion.
Yeah, and I think it's like yesand no.
It I'm not saying it'sobviously not identical.

(01:27:07):
Clearly they had to makechanges, and radical changes,
but it clearly is also theinheritor of the, the judaism of
christ's time.
I mean there's a direct linewhere they adapted radically,
but they did adapt and butthey're still the same people.
You know, I mean, it's not likeall of a sudden they, they one

(01:27:27):
day all, but they're still thesame people.
You know what I mean.
It's not like all of a suddenthey, they one day all say okay,
we're going to, we're going toworship a new religion today,
over time.
They had doctrinal developmentthat was far greater than ours,
because of the fact that theyhad literally the whole system.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
They had to revamp the whole system.
They didn't have a templeanymore.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
It'd be like all of a sudden, if, if, uh, this can't
happen, of course, you know,because of christ's promises,
but all of a sudden, if therewas no pope anymore, it's like
how the orthodox had to kind ofrevamp their whole system.
It's like if the catholic itactually is good analogy.
It's like the orthodox, they'rethe same religion as us in a
lot of ways.
I, I believe as us, I know, butlike the point is they had to
revamp things.
They'd all of a sudden explainaway the pope.

(01:28:04):
Well, it's like far moreradical.
They did all of a sudden say,well, we don't have a temple
anymore, so, whoopsie, we'regonna have to.
But I, I don't like that beinglike you just say, oh it's, it's
a completely different religion.
I don't think that's trueeither well, okay, so I also.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
I also think these topics are able to be disagreed
about, right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
That's what I said I started off with like I don't
really know the answer.
Yeah, I'm just sayingpersonally, I think it's
somewhere between it's the exactsame religion and it's a
completely different religion.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
It's somewhere in there there's something, I'm not
sure where it is.
When paul talks in romans hesays all israel will be saved.
Like there's an aspect of thatwhere during the uh, when the,
when the northern kingdom breaksaway from the southern kingdom
and the 10 tribes are kind oflike dispersed amongst the
nations, like they are so much apart of the nations that

(01:28:58):
they're basically gentiles atthat point.
So bringing the gentiles in isactually saving israel because
of the jews who were dispersedamongst the nations.
So there's an aspect of thatinvolved there too.
But I still I don't know theway I read the story and the way
it just that enmity betweenthose who reject Christ and the

(01:29:20):
fact and even Benedict talkedabout this, he said the fact
that you're still a people showsthat god still like god still
has a plan for you in salvation.
But that plan doesn'tnecessarily mean a good thing.
It's not about them being yeah,I mean I think they play a role
in the end of time.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
I mean, it could be just as much as clearly it's one
of only two divinely revealedreligions.
I mean the origins, becausejudaism obviously was divinely
revealed in its origins.
Now debate about whether or not, how much they maintain that
today, that's one thing, but Ithink just that alone tells you
that it's going to last untilthe end of time.
I really think Judaism willlast till the end of time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
I mean, I don't think , islam necessarily will, but I
think Islam is going to play arole in the Eschaton too, though
, because I think there's a linkbetween Our Lady appearing in
Fatima and Fatima beingMuhammad's daughter, and I think
there's going to be a linkthere too.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
If not to the Eschaton, then to the reign of
the Immaculate Heart.
Maybe I don't think there'snecessarily.
I'm not saying it won't happen,but I see no reason to think
that there's any liketheological reveal or anything
like that reason that Islamnecessarily will be.
I think Islam could just dieout one day because-.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Or they could be used as a tool of chastisement, like
God used the Assyrians againstIsrael?

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
Yeah, but I think what my point is is that there's
no theological reason, justfrom scripture or even the
tradition, to think that Islamitself, itself, will play a role
in the end times, whereas I dothink there's.
There's a reason to believejews will, the jew, jewish
israel will, but like I'm justsaying that I don't.
I'm not convinced that thatmeans modern, the modern state

(01:30:59):
of israel will, it will have thepeople, people the jewish
people will it could be.
It could be 10 000 years fromnow in the modern state is
Israel could have been done for9,999 of those thousand years.
It's like I admit I'm always.
I'm never a big end times guy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I know, no, I know that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
I don't know if it's because I've read a lot of
history and I've seen how manytimes people get into the end
times stuff and they always arewrong.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
And this is probably an aspect you were saying how
the church has been.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Like you were saying how the faith has been lost in
the church.
That's true.
Look at the 10th century.
That was a disaster for theCatholic faith and I bet you a
lot of people thought 1000 came.
Actually there was a couplepeople who did think that.
But the point is is that, likeit was a it was far day, there

(01:31:48):
have been popes that have been.
I mean so there's been these,these terrible times and I would
understand why catholics atthat time like this is probably
the lord's coming back, so itcan't get any worse than this.
But then it rebounds.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
It recovers oh, it could get way worse, but I, I do
think I'm saying we can reboundand recover.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
And you know, in 100 years we have like.
In my novel I'm writing wecould have a church that's
dominant again.
So yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Look, this was something I always did kind of
want to talk and flesh out withyou a little bit, because I
think, like I don't want to godown the groper route where it's
like you're just that's thewhole.
Thing to think about, but Ialso do think there's a
theological significance to someof this stuff that does need to
be discussed.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
I do and I agree, I agree I some of this stuff that
does need to be discussed.
I do and I agree, I agree I I'mnot a fan of E Michael Jones
and like, oh wait, let me askyou about that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
So you don't think there's something to his.
His thesis I don't know, Ihaven't read a lot of E Michael
Jones, but I know he has histhesis is basically that when
the Jews reject Christ, christ,they reject the logos and they
have this revolutionary spirit,which is why they're kind of
behind all of the majorrevolutions that have happened
throughout history.

(01:32:53):
So you think you don't thinkthere's anything to that yeah, I
reject that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Yeah, I just I think he's just looking for ways to
blame the jews for everything.
Frankly, I mean, I'm not sayingthey're it's like what.
It's like what um rob mentionedabout, like you know, the the
jewish influence on, like therussian revolution.
I'm not saying there weren'tJews involved, but like they're
atheist Jews.
What does that mean?
I'm not saying that it doesn'tmean anything, but I just mean
like and like the idea thatthey're behind every revolution.

(01:33:19):
A lot of times you look back andyou're like actually they
weren't that influential andit's not like Jews ran the
Russian revolution.
That's just simply not true.
In fact, the Jews were killedby Stalin and wiped out a lot of
them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
And so it's like Well , because Trotsky was a Jew and
Stalin hated Trotsky.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Well, that was definitely didn't help things
for the Jews, that's for sure.
But the point is, though, islike I've just when I read these
histories it's not as neat andtidy as people make them out to
be Like the Jews are behindevery revolution type of thing,
and they have this revolutionaryspirit.
I think that is just.
You're fitting these squarepegs in these circle holes to
say, okay, I start with thethesis that the Jews are the bad

(01:33:59):
guys of history, and then Iwill fit them in, and it's not.
It's not that Jews haven't donea lot of bad things in history,
so have Christians, but it'slike.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
That's why I find your position so interesting,
because it's like you're, likeyou're okay, man, I think that's
.
I think it's good that DaveSmith and Daryl Cooper and these
guys are starting to have theseconversations, because I do.
I think it starts with likeokay, what the hell are we doing

(01:34:30):
as america, just like footingthe bill for all these crazy
things?
Or like I, I do think that 9-11was a way to drag us in to go
and fight all of israel'senemies, things like that.
Um, but I, I really am stillgrappling with the theological
significance of the jewishpeople and I'm not, you know it,
it's I kind of do I separate,though, like, the theological.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
I'm not completely separating it, but I do separate
the theological significance ofthe jewish people, which is a
real thing I mean calvary's beentalking about for 2 000 years,
and the modern state of israel,which is fundamentally a secular
state.
That it's an ethno state a lot,but it's, it's really a secular
.
It's so like.
I don't necessarily think thereis any theological connect,
there's no like, just like.

(01:35:15):
That's why I reject catholiczionism, because catholic
zionism is this theological ideathat we have to support the
jews because of their place insalvation history, and it's
complete and I reject thatwholeheartedly.
Well, it's also rejecting it'smisinterpreting the scriptures
to oh yes that they, like thecatholic zionists, are actually
saying that the jews returningto israel is part of god

(01:35:40):
fulfilling some of his promisesin the old testament I would say
that, like what maybe you'reproposing, but more maybe the
more radical, maybe even what emichael jones, maybe even father
mosley, is saying, I feel likeit's in some ways the flip side
of the same coin as the zionists, in that they're trying to say
there's all this theologicalmeaning behind the modern state
of israel that we then have tooppose it on these theological

(01:36:02):
grounds, like you know, justbecause it exists, because the
jews are the enemies of Christand all that stuff, I'm just
like no, israel is just a badactor and we should not support
them, and that's like theredoesn't have to be a theological
I mean the theological reasonsof just morale, basic morality
that we don't support.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I think it's an important part of the story,
though, like when I, when I seeChristian, the story of
Christianity, like I don't,don't know, man, it's, it's a
very big part of the story andit's like like this should never
make anybody like haveanimosity towards jewish people
like you should, it's.
It's nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Like I just, I honestly I think that the
history of the modern state ofisrael is far more dominated by
politics and religion.
It's, I really don't think, andso that that's why I don't,
that's why I kind of reject thisidea of going too deep
theologically in the meaning ofthe modern state of israel.
I think it's just a statethat's arisen that has, like,

(01:36:59):
done a lot of bad things, a lotof bad things, and we should not
support whatsoever.
Um, but, and and oh, by the way, they're jews there.
I mean, that's kind of how Ilooked at it.
Like you know, they're alsojews and it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yeah, okay, so all right, we'll wrap this up in a
minute or two, but you have, youhave.
It's like the only place onearth where you're allowed to
have an ethnic national statewhere, like even I never saw.
I never bought into the ideathat open immigration was, um

(01:37:32):
about votes for democrats.
I always thought it was a wayto destabilize us so that we
wouldn't have a common culture.
Because I think that some verypowerful jews saw that when,
when germany had a very powerfulethno state and they saw
nationalism like that, thatthere are very dangerous people.
But when they were, when theywere battling countries in the

(01:37:56):
middle East, they were like, ohwell, these Muslims hate these
Muslims, these ones hate theseMuslims, like they're way easier
to conquer.
And I think that there are I'mnot, it's not all Jews, I just
do think there are very powerfulpeople who their motives in
open immigration and all theseNGOs doing all this stuff is to
destabilize the West, so they'llbe easy to conquer, and I think

(01:38:19):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
The fact is, I have no problem with an ethno state
and I have no problem.
I have no problem, bunch ofJews could do it.
They want to form a countrysomewhere, not necessarily where

(01:38:44):
I don't either.
As long as problem if Englandwas like okay, if you're not of
English descent, you can't, youcan't live here.
That's totally.
I think that's totally rightand just.
There's nothing uncatholicabout that.
The problem is, in America,what is our freaking culture,
what is our ethno state orwhatever that's?
The problem is we don't haveone.

(01:39:05):
We don't have a unifying force,and so like we draw a line
who's not allowed in, like I'dbe fine if we said no muslims
are ever allowed to to immigratehere, or something like that.
But it's like, where is the?
What is the common culture thatwe're all supposed to embrace?
We just don't have one.
I mean that's the problem withamerica we don't even have.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
we don't even have a united pop culture anymore,
because everything's sofragmented on the internet Like
you used to be able to go intowork at the water cooler and
talk about Seinfeld the episode.
Now everybody's watching theirown thing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
There's really nothing that unites us.
I draw the line at Naples.
Everything south of Naples theydon't get to come in North of.
Naples is fine yeah it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Just, you know, because we have such a mix up
here of people that it's likewho I mean?
I think it almost has to bebased upon religion.
At that point it has to be okayIf you're not Christian.
You know, you're, you know orsomething.
But obviously we have a longways to go to get to that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Mormons, we get Utah I don't care.
I'm fine giving them Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Just stay there and we'll break that off.
Stay in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Utah, eric, this was fun man.
I appreciate you coming on.
Go get moral money guys.
Eric, are you alright if I postthe locals clip On my
subscriber side of Twitter,because I have subscribers?

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
I was half expecting you to put my worst thing.
Put it on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
I already clipped the whole.
I support an ethnostate part.
So don't worry, I did a podcastnot long ago thing.
Put it on Twitter.
I already clipped the whole.
I support an ethnostate part.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
I did a podcast not long ago where I basically said
something to the effect that'sokay, no, I don't care, that's
fine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Okay, yeah, I mean I don't think you said anything
bad.
If anybody's going to get introuble, it's going to be me,
but I work for family and Ireally can't get in trouble, so
I'm not worried.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Must be nice but, I'm allowed to say.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
I mean, nobody ever tells me what to say a crisis.
It's always I saw wheresomebody was like saying
something like oh yeah, justcatholic media can't say this,
because where the bills are paid, I've literally never once been
told what to say a crisis once.
I don't even know who my donorsare.
I've I I know like one or twobig donors like I, but they've
never said anything to me.
I just know them because I hadto write a thank you letter to

(01:41:08):
them if they're over a certainamount, but I have no
communication with them.
I don't know.
We need big donors.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Rob, when are we getting big donors?

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
When you stop talking probably.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Maybe if you're nice to the Bitcoin billionaires.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Eric, good luck with the book.
When your next one comes out,please reach out.
We'll have you back on, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Thank, you very much.
Thanks, man.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Take us out, Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Later If the button works.

(01:41:58):
Thank you.

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