September 19, 2025 • 63 mins
Pope Leo XIV's first major interview since his historic election as the first American pontiff raises more questions than it answers. Released through veteran Vatican correspondent John Allen Jr.'s Crux media platform (albeit with surprisingly poor production quality), the conversation offers fascinating insights into Leo's vision for his papacy.
Leo strikes a delicate balance throughout the interview, emphasizing his desire to reduce polarization while hopefully upholding Catholic teaching. "I'm trying not to continue to polarize," he states plainly, acknowledging the tensions that have characterized recent years in Catholic life. This approach becomes particularly evident when addressing hot-button issues like LGBT concerns and liturgical preferences.
Perhaps most anticipated by many Catholics was Leo's discussion of the Traditional Latin Mass, which had faced restrictions under Pope Francis. Significantly, he mentions upcoming opportunities to meet with advocates for the Tridentine rite, signaling an openness to dialogue that many felt was missing under the previous papacy.
What emerges is a portrait of a pontiff attempting to be a bridge-builder during extraordinarily polarized times – recognizing that the Catholic Church, like society at large, stands at a precarious crossroads. Leo appears keenly aware of his challenging position, seeking to prevent further fragmentation within Catholicism while hopefully maintaining the Church's distinctive voice in a rapidly changing world.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
A couple months ago, these two wild ducks landed in
my pool.
It was amazing.
They're from Canada orsomeplace, and it was mating
season.
They had some ducklings.
This is great.
(00:40):
Then I come out one day.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
At first it felt like there was ginger ale in my
skull.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Do you feel depressed Ever since the ducks left I?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
guess.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, tony, let's talk about that then oh my
goodness, oh no, oh my fish.
That is exactly how I felt whenmy fish got eaten.
You have no idea.
I felt like I got.
I got lightheaded and I feltlike I was gonna fall over.
I had a totally different videothat I thought rob was gonna
(01:53):
play.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I did not see that ahead of time david, I worked on
that yesterday and then thismorning.
He's like anthony made me makethis but we're gonna use the
other one, right?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm like, yeah, we're using the other one okay, so
I'm glad you guys didn't let meknow about that one.
Um, I do have the other oneready if you want to play that
well, the other one was my idea,but I would have to do an
explainer after that one, like Iwould have had to explain it.
So, um, a couple things, man.
Uh, first of all, I'm likebeyond sick.
(02:22):
Uh, I have to leave for work at12.
I have to wake up at 12 30tonight and then leave for work
at one o'clock.
So this is not gonna be a localshow.
We're gonna.
It's kind of gonna be like a 45minute episode, but we'll.
I don't want to bury the lead,but I kind of want to um mention
uh steve skojak for a second.
Um you should explain who thatis steve skoja yeah, that's what
(02:46):
I'm gonna do.
So steve skojak uh used to runone peter five.
Uh, he was one of the mostprominent figures in traditional
catholicism.
Um, he, he ran one peter fiveand then he started having a
(03:06):
crisis of faith and it was verypublic and he started writing
about this crisis of faith.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And it was during COVID it was during COVID, okay,
right because it all came to ahead with him getting his child
baptized.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you're right, yeah, okay.
So Steve had this very publiccrisis of faith and I'm not
going to downplay some of thethings Steve said.
Steve said some reallyblasphemous stuff during this
time when he was having thiscrisis of faith and a ton of
(03:49):
Catholics lambasted him and werejust so brutal to him.
And I understand why.
It was because he Some of thethings he was saying were really
hard to witness.
But he was so angry with godduring this time and I don't
(04:10):
know if people have ever, ifyou've never, had a crisis of
faith.
You have to understand that thisis an existential crisis,
especially when you're acatholic and you believe the
faith and your whole liferevolves around the faith for a
significant portion of your life.
And then you have a crisis offaith where you actually lose
(04:45):
your faith.
It is shattering toraments.
You do not know how quicklyyour life spirals because you go
through this stage where Godkind of says to you okay, you
want that, you can have that,and God kind of gives you up to
your own desires, that you canhave that, and God kind of gives
(05:05):
you up to your own desires andyou spiral into this, you spiral
into your old habits in a waywhere it's like when the house
is swept clean, seven demonsreturn and you find yourself in
a place you can't imagine.
And I only know this because Iwent through this under Francis.
When the synod on the familyhappened and we started getting
(05:27):
a Morris Leticia, I had a crisisof faith and I left the
sacraments and my life spiraledand got so bad that my like the
fights I was having in my home.
I got to a point where mymarriage almost came to a
separation.
Okay, so Steve today wrote thispiece explaining that his wife
(05:51):
has filed for separation.
This is all public information.
I'm not discussing anythingprivate.
Steve is very open about this.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Doesn't matter.
Someone's going to call itgossip anyways.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's this, I'm trying to um this.
I'm trying to um, I'm trying togive some insight into my why.
Okay, so, whatever, let mecontinue.
So he, he wrote a piece todayjust explaining some of the
struggles he's going through anda lot of it has to do with his
mental state and him havingthese like explosive emotional
(06:22):
outbursts.
And his wife finally got to apoint where she was like I've
had it and she warned him,coming up to, she said, steve, I
don't know how much more ofthis I could take.
And she finally just let.
Now Steve can't tell everybodydetails of this because when
you're going through a divorcefor legal reasons, all he could
do is share his own experience.
So Steve was very open about,like, the things he's been going
(06:43):
through, right, and he's hadthis crisis of faith.
He lost one, peter five.
He sold it.
He hasn't been able to holddown a job since he's had these
emotional outbursts with hiswife.
(07:05):
I was able to keep it together,but the fighting with my wife
was so bad at this time and Ifound myself back in sins that I
thought I had long conqueredand abusing things, that I just
horrible things.
That just led to a point whereI found myself before the cross
and holy innocence, hystericallyweeping, begging God to save me
(07:27):
, and it like that.
That whole experience was Godallowing me to go through that,
letting my life kind of fallapart and getting me to a point
where I was in shambles begginghim, and that whole process is
what led me back to the faithand got me where I am now.
(07:49):
It was such an important partof my life.
And watching what Steve's goingthrough, the amount of empathy
I have for him because I kind ofsee where he's at, and there's
a few people that I care verymuch about that had the opinion
they're like I really don't havesympathy for him because he dug
this grave himself and Iunderstand that, because you see
(08:11):
somebody act this way for yearsonline and you imagine what
they're doing in their personallife is probably 10 times worse.
And it was Like the things hewas probably doing were horrific
.
And he says this he says I hadto leave my home for the safety
of my family.
It's him admitting this Likethis is what he's saying, right,
but I feel like this wholething is God getting him to that
(08:38):
place where I was and this islike a prodigal son moment and
you cannot have sympathy for theperson.
But I can only tell you thisthe only person who had sympathy
for me when I was in thatscenario was my mom and man that
had such an important role inme understanding the mercy of
(09:00):
Our Lady.
It was between that and thesituation with my brother and
just seeing my mom being theonly one who I could go to and
talk to, and she didn't judge me, she didn't condemn me, even
though she did not like thethings that were happening in my
life.
She was just the one person Icould go to.
So I've watched a lot ofCatholics throw prayers for like
(09:24):
, like.
That's all I'm saying is praySteve right now, because this
might be a prodigal son moment.
This might be God working inhis life in a way we can't see,
and in two years you might seeSteve back at the top of like,
living a Catholic life, and hecould have healing in his family
and this could be a miraculousconversion experience in the
making, right now, in his family, and this could be a miraculous
(09:46):
conversion experience in themaking right now.
So do your best to not justcrap on him when he's at a
moment, when he's down, because,I'm telling you, when a man's
wife leaves him and his familydoesn't want anything to do with
him, like it's a very, verydangerous place for a person to
be.
So, yeah, all right If that'sall you can do.
So, yeah, all right if that'sall you can do, but I pray for
(10:09):
Steve.
So it's just something I wantedto say because I understand how
, but a lot of times we won'thave empathy or sympathy for
somebody.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
No, not Crowder, we're not praying for.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Steve Crowder, steve Skojak.
A lot of times we can have like, we have a hard time having
sympathy for somebody because wecompare ourselves to them and
we're like, well, I would neverdo that.
But if you compare yourself toChrist, like it's almost
impossible to judge someonebecause you're like man, I fall
so far short myself that, likehow can I judge somebody else?
(10:44):
So I'm not defending his, not,I'm not defending his actions,
I'm not defending anything.
I'm just urging people to justpray for a man who's in a very
vulnerable situation and praythat God's grace comes into his
life and pray that he returns tothe faith and pray that this is
one of those moments.
So, um, okay, I just wanted tosay my piece on that To the
(11:05):
actual topic of the show.
So Crux, for anybody thatdoesn't know, john Allen Jr has
been a Vatican correspondentsince 1997.
You know who John Allen Jr is,rob, no, okay.
So, john, yeah, you don't payattention to this stuff.
I've, I always have paidattention to this stuff.
(11:26):
Um, john allen jr has been avatican correspondent since 1997
are they?
still using equipment from menthis is what we're gonna get
into.
He's uh, he worked for thenational catholic, he worked for
the Boston Globe.
He's a senior Vaticancorrespondent for CNN.
(11:52):
This guy is not a newbie tomedia.
He's not like some new mediaguy.
Okay, he gets the firstinterview with the first
American pope and I have neverseen a bigger blunder in my life
.
Rob, play the 21-second clip togive people an idea of what
we're talking about here.
(12:12):
Okay, this is a failure on epicpurport.
I just don't understand howthis happened.
So play the quick 21 secondclip, because he gets this
interview and he puts his wifeas the interviewee or the
interviewer, and Pope Leo is theinterviewee, I guess, right.
(12:35):
So he puts his wife as theinterviewer and listen to this
and wait, pay very closeattention to the camera lens.
Listen to this and wait, payvery close attention to the
camera lens.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, this is Well, I think that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Do you see the finger Do?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
you see the finger.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You're going to have to be quiet during this, or none
of us are gonna hear anythingoh my gosh, how did they do this
?
You know, if leo made themleave all the fancy equipment
like outsiders, like no, justthat 10 year old iphone right
there, that's all you get thereis.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
This has to be like an iphone four.
What was it?
The four plus or something isthe four s.
The four s the first one thathad siri listen to the audio and
look at his finger come acrossthe screen.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Make sure the volume's up so everybody can
hear this I'm gonna startfreaking out if everything, if
everyone starts claimingeverything is ai, I'm getting so
sick of it already.
You might just be joking, ocw,I'm not.
It's just getting so oldalready.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, it's so bad.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
How do you understand synodality?
How would you define it?
I think synodality is anattitude, an openness.
John Allen Jr, what did you?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
do here, because you know that's.
Don't worry, that's just a 21second clip.
We're going to actually play aclip and we're going to get into
some good stuff that he did.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
This is like my four-year-old trying to take
pictures with the iPad.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's so bad First off , okay.
So these clips have been onyoutube for four days.
We have trivia episodes withmore views, like well, you
posted it this morning.
This is so bad I can't.
I'm like baffled by this.
I like this cnn.
So cnn actually like aired apiece of it on one of their news
(14:44):
clips and they have to befurious with him like was it a
planned interview, yes or no?
like it was scheduled, of courseit was scheduled.
It's the first, first interviewthe pope is giving.
It's going to be a book.
It's going to be it's going outin spanish and then it'll be
out in English.
It is so bad, cnn OK.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
OK, so it wasn't really meant as like a visual or
audio media interview.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Maybe not, but you're releasing clips on YouTube like
that.
Like this is on their cruxYouTube channel Like this is
them releasing exclusiveinterview with the Pope.
So, yeah, it'll be a it'll be abook later, but you're just
going to get this in the Pope.
So, yeah, it'll be a.
It'll be a book later, butyou're just going to get this in
the book, like it's 2025.
People want to watch videos ofthe Pope speaking in.
(15:33):
English.
People don't want to read it ina book.
They want to see a video of thePope speaking in English.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a phenomenon that we'venever seen Like, and you know it
.
It's a phenomenon that we'venever seen Like, and you know
it's a jumbled too, but jumbledtoo.
Barely spoke English, you know,and Benedict was better at
English than JP too, I guess butaudio quality in 1978 was
better than this was better thanthis.
(15:54):
Like I mean, I've heard FBItapes of the mob that sound
better than this when somebody'swearing a wire the, the, the.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He's wearing a wire, but yeah, the fbi tapes of uh,
mlk, uh, participating incertain things is way better
than this probably man, this wasso bad.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I just I'm like I was embarrassed for them putting
this out.
I I my teeth hurt fromclenching my teeth, like as I'm
trying to.
I'm like you.
You guys should have putsubtitles up, because nobody can
even understand what's going onhere.
So we have two segments we wantto actually go over tonight.
One I actually did in videoform.
The other one is on the liturgy.
(16:32):
He says some very interestingthings on the liturgy, but
there's a video of what he sayson the LGBT, so I put that video
in.
Rob, we can actually go to thatNow.
You guys do your best.
Just on the fbi tapes from youryard.
I've heard.
I've heard fbi wiretaps fromjohn gaudy that had better audio
(16:54):
quality than this.
Um, yeah, so no, you probablywon't be able to hear it.
Well, you do your best.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I mean, I don know the fact that the most
unprofessional cancer in theworld is upset at the
unprofessionalism of someoneelse is hilarious Guys.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I worked in the pouring rain.
I was sick leading up toyesterday and then I worked in
the pouring rain.
I am like beyond sick right now.
So I'm sorry for the coughingand stuff.
But yes, it is for an outfitlike you and I, who are so
beyond unprofessional, to beupset about the unprofessional
outfit of because, look like Isaid if this was like a new
media outfit or something,that's one thing, but john allen
(17:35):
jr has been doing this since,since I was in diapers like
might be the problem.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
He might think oh man , this iphone 4s got the best
camera in the world.
It's gonna be perfect for this.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
How much is a lapel mic on amazon 75 bucks I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I bought a couple for like 200 bucks.
Yeah, maybe 200 bucks or northcarolina, in case we did
interviews and we haven'ttouched them um, but just like
simple lapel mics, they're 200bucks on amazon.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Like you're a professional media outlet.
You, you're a correspondent forcnn and you, just, you don't
even put the bucks on amazonlike you're a professional media
outlet.
You, you're a correspondent forcnn and you, just you don't
even put the camera on a stand,you put your finger in the frame
I have an idea for baptismweekend.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Let's, we're gonna wear lapel mics and we're gonna
do ant and rob mic'd up for thewhole weekend, you know like
I've not like on the sidelinesof a football game, you know
that yeah, that's what we'regoing to do.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'll let too many stupid things slip.
There's no chance.
I want that on record.
All right, let's do thefive-minute clip.
We'll go through that and thenwe'll go through the liturgy
stuff.
The liturgy stuff, it's alittle frustrating.
I think the whole interview iskind of frustrating, so I'll
give my perspective on it.
I'm not going to like spurg outon Leo or anything, it's just
(18:47):
it's frustrating.
That's what it is.
It's frustrating and we'll playthe clip and then we'll get
into it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I apologize for Ann's ableism right there everyone
spurg.
I love how you had a take.
You're like, wait a minute, Iam not firing on all cylinders
tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Okay, paul, at this time in history, I'm trying not
to continue to polarize.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Hold on, notice how he said that I'm trying not to
continue to polarize.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, because he knows the last not to continue
to polarize.
Yeah, because he knows the lastpapacy was very polarizing.
So, look, this is what we'regoing to end up talking about,
because I see what Leo is doing.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Let's just go through it and then we'll do our
commentary.
I promote polarization in thechurch.
Let's go through it and thenwe'll do our commentary.
Promote polarization in thechurch.
And I'm trying to say it's whatFrancis said very clearly
saying todos, todos, todos,everyone's invited in.
But I don't invite a person inbecause they are or are not of
any specific identity.
I invite a person in becausethey're the son or daughter of
God and you're all welcome andlet's speak to know one another
(20:08):
and respect one another.
And at some point, whenspecific questions will come up
I'm not going to say at somepoint people want the church
doctrine to change, wantattitudes to change.
I think we have to changeattitudes before we ever change
the doctrine.
I find it highly unlikely incertainly the immediate future,
(20:29):
that the church stops in termsof what the church teaches about
sexuality, what the churchteaches about marriage.
I've always spoken aboutmarriage as it over-answers when
you spoke about a family beinga man and a woman in solemn
commitment to the blessing andsacrifice of marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I pause it real quick .
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And even to say that I understand that that's
something that will take.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He's trying to clean up and tidy up some of the stuff
Francis did right and some ofthe stuff that everybody was
very critical of.
Francis, I want to be likeFrancis, like todos, todos,
todos.
They're like, told us, told us,told us all are welcome.
But I don't welcome peoplebecause of their identity.
We welcome them because they'rebaptized, children of God.
I don't know if he saidbaptized, he said sons and
(21:17):
daughters of God.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So he's welcoming only baptized people folks.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
And like he's trying, he's trying to clean up some of
the messiness of francis.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Right, you're hold on .
Can we show them the othervideo we had?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
so this would let's play the intro video that I
actually I came up with.
Let's, let's play it real quick.
So this was trying to.
Can you skip through the music?
No, I can't.
It doesn't let me skip throughthe music.
It's like it's a quick one,it's 27 seconds's 27 seconds.
So here we go 27 seconds.
This was my idea for an introtonight.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
How do you understand ?
How would you define it?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
so now, if we had played that as the intro, I
would have to explain to youguys what I'm making fun of the
pope, like we're making fun ofthe audio quality of the video
and stuff.
But I that was my idea for anintro video because that was all
I could think of when I watchedit the first time.
I'm like this sounds like thecharlie brown teacher audio.
I cannot believe what I'mlistening to right now yes, yes,
(22:37):
he is I would stop it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's a good thing he really liked the other intro,
because if he didn't and wedidn't play the one he thought
of, he would have been very notthat the intro videos are going
to be very, uh, important goingforward.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
We'll talk about that on another, another time.
But, um, I'm sorry, man, mymind is just not firing well, uh
, okay.
So so what he's doing is he'strying to tidy up some of the
stuff francis did, but he's alsotrying to be all things to all
people and he's trying to saythings that the left can grab
and say look, you see, he's'sdoing what Francis did, and the
right can go and go, look, he'scleaning up what Francis did.
(23:13):
And then the people who thinkhe's going to be Francis II are
going to focus on the bad thingshe said, and the people that
are trying to make it like he'syou know, pope Leo the 14th.
What are you laughing at?
He actually is probably on the14th.
(23:33):
You idiot like why is that?
I'm sorry, guys, like heactually is Leo the 14th, um not
important in the way you thinkyou're not getting fired mostly
more careful.
I think, Taffy, not important inthe way you think you're not
getting fired.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no nono, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He told Taffy what to put in the video.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, Taffy still made the video.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So Wait, is Taffy actually hired?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I mean, I don't know if he's been paid yet we do have
$96 in a fund for him, but hehasn't sent me his phone number
to give it to him yet, but it'sstill sitting there.
I think what trads want is apope whose yes means yes and no
means no.
Yeah, and that's not what we'regoing to get from Leo.
(24:38):
It's just not.
It's so.
It's not what we would havegotten from any of the Cardinals
that were well.
So he is being trying to bediplomatic and the polarization,
um, so the LGBT stuff he's likeI'm going to continue along
with what Francis is, but likeit's the same thing with the
(25:01):
women's ordination thing.
He's like you know he keptsaying the church's teaching
isn't going to change.
He did keep saying thatthroughout the interview.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
He's even when he qualified it a little, though.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Even when discussing um, um, ecumenism, he's like you
know, it's important we don'tdisrespect these other religions
, but at the same time I am notafraid to say I believe in Jesus
Christ and I think it is my jobto go and spread the you know,
spread the message of JesusChrist to the world.
But that doesn't mean we haveto disrespect other religions,
and I think it's important tohave interfaith dialogues to
(25:33):
make sure that there's peace inthe world and things like that.
It's just very squishy andthat's just what you're going to
get from Leo.
You're not going to.
He's not Francis II, he's notgoing.
So I guess we'll get into theliturgy stuff, because that's
kind of the stuff everybodywants to do and I only have like
another 20 minutes before Icollapse.
So let's do the liturgy thing.
(25:56):
And it's written article, right?
Yeah, it's the article.
So it's written word.
They didn't release this onaudio yet.
You have to scroll down prettyfar.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Is it in the Crux website?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's on the latest Crux article I sent.
Okay, let me pull that one up.
So there is another issue,which is also another hot button
(26:31):
issue, which I have alreadyreceived a number of requests
and letters about the questionabout people always say the
latin mass.
Well, you can say the latin,the mass in latin right now.
If it's the vatican ii, right,there's no problem obviously
between the tridentine mass andthe vatican ii mass, the massive
pole, the six, I'm not surewhere that's going to go.
It's a very, it's obviouslyvery complicated.
(26:52):
Leo, your, your holiness, no,you cannot say the massive pole,
the sixth in latin.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm sorry if not in the diocese of charlotte, not in
any of detroit very fewdioceses.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Can you just change the Mass of Paul VI over to
Latin?
It would be a start for, youknow, fixing some of the
nonsense.
But that's not actually allowed.
So it would be nice if he putthat qualification, if he told
the bishops that that would benice.
I do know that part of thatissue unfortunately has become
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again part of the process ofpolarization.
He's very worried aboutpolarization.
People have used the liturgy asan excuse for advancing other
topics.
It's become a political tooland that's very unfortunate.
Vatican II Mass was not helpfulfor people who were looking for
a deeper experience of prayer,of contact with the mystery of
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faith that they seem to find inthe celebration of the
Tridentine Mass.
Again we've become polarized sothat instead of being able to
say, well, if we celebrate theVatican II Liturgy in a proper
way, do you really find thatmuch of a difference between
this experience and thatexperience?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But Leo was ordained under the new right and he
doesn't know the old right.
So maybe he's asking thequestion do you really find that
much of a difference For us?
Yes, and even him saying well,you can say the Massapul VI in
Latin.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I really don't think Leo actually understands that
there is a very big differencein this the vast like, if, if
only two, two choices were given, the vast majority of trads
would rather have the tridentinein the vernacular than the
novus ordo in latin yeah, forsure it's, it's, it's now
obviously he's really just likethe tridentine mass in latin.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Obviously yes yeah, that might be like a nice
compromise for a period orsomething, I don't know.
But, um, so uh, he said I havenot had the chance to really sit
down with a group of people whoare advocating for the
Tridentine Right.
That's important.
So, like he's heard things,bishops have said things, but he
hasn't had a chance to sit downand talk to people.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Apparently this interview was before some of his
meetings with like Burke andSarah, so yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I've not had the chance to really sit down with a
group of people who areadvocating for the tridentine
right.
There's an opportunity comingup soon and I'm sure there will
be occasions for that.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So he might have been talking about his meeting with.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Burke right, maybe.
Yeah, it's become the kind ofissue that's so polarized that
people aren't willing to sit andlisten to one another.
Oftentimes I've heard bishopstalk to me They've talked to me
about that where they say weinvited them to this and that
they just won't even come.
They won't hear it, they won'teven talk about it.
There's a problem.
There's a problem and that's aproblem in itself.
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It means we're into ideologyNow.
We're no longer into theexperience of church communion.
That's the one issue on the.
That's one of the issues on theagenda.
The one thing that kind of willdrive you nuts If you're a trad
and you're listening to this.
He I mean man when he talksabout synodality.
(30:11):
It's like we're trying to uh.
Uh, synodality is about how we,we are church, like it's just
this.
Oh, it's so frustrating, man.
It's this, it's justfrustrating, um, but it's, it's
vatican to catholicism, likethat's what it is.
It's just vatican to cath man,this is where it is.
So I don't know.
(30:32):
I know we've talked about thisand I've caught a lot of heat
from some people for saying it,but all of the popes, since the
council, seem to talk like this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
This really is no different.
It's not.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
They all are like this.
They're all, and I put it bysaying it's almost like they're
ashamed of Catholic teaching.
Right, they're ashamed to saywhat the church teaches.
So they have to qualifyeverything and they have to
backpedal and soften everythingand it's all about presenting
this weakened, watered-downversion of the faith.
But that's just what you getright now.
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It's not heresy, it watereddown version of the faith, but
that's just what you get rightnow.
It's not heresy.
It's not like Francis was.
Yeah, yeah, there weredefinitely some.
You had to qualify the heck outof everything he said, that's
for sure.
There were so many qualifiersfor every single thing he did.
Look, part of me thinks he'skind of bracing the liberals and
(31:35):
saying look, you won't even sitdown with them and hear them
out, and he's kind of preparingthem for I'm going to loosen the
restrictions.
Sounds like part of it.
The other part of it could beyo trads, chill out, I can't
just do this.
You need this.
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Like he's talking to both sidesand he's trying to be trying to
be a bridge builder he's.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
The thing is these two sides really can't coexist.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's kind of no.
It's kind of no different fromeverything we've seen since the
charlie kirk thing in thepolitical realm and I'm hoping
that that that eventually leosees that and he comes down on
the right side of it.
I do think he, like even someof the ways he talks are like
letting people know, like we'renot changing the teaching.
(32:21):
He even came down on thosebishops in Northern Europe who
performed a gay blessing yeah,he did.
In Northern Europe whoperformed a gay blessing yeah,
he did.
He came down on them and he waslike I see these bishops in
Northern Europe performing a gayblessing, going completely
against the document thatFrancis intended and making
there some kind of ceremony outof this, when that's not what
Francis said in the document.
(32:41):
The document said of course wecan bless anybody, but we cannot
bless this situation.
Marriage is between a man and awoman.
He's so much better thanFrancis on terms of basic moral
principle.
He is Just know what you guyshave.
He's not going to be someradical like Francis was.
(33:05):
He's also not going to be asgood as Benedict was on the
liturgy and it's just.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It's just, he doesn't abandon us.
As a worst pope, though, I'lltake that I'm much happier than
I was last year.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It's much, it's much easier to defend catholicism
under leo, right, like, if, like, if you're talking to so far,
if you're talking to Protestants, it's easier to defend the
faith with Leo than it was inthe like Francis, some of the
things he said.
But then again I'm still seeingyou know people are going to
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he's got to stop with thecatering if he wants to have any
kind of.
I mean, I just don't know howlong both sides are going to
tolerate this stuff.
I really don't, because the theleft, the left Catholics, they
don't want like a a ratchet backto the right at all.
(34:06):
They want the revolution tocontinue in the direction it was
going.
So I think they might get fedup.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Well, I I disagree If one thing we've seen about the
left, whether inside or outsideof the church, is that they're
willing to wait a century in thebackground until they feel they
, they can finally take powerRight.
So I mean, we've seen that inthe political sphere.
We've seen that when we sawthat in the church with francis,
(34:34):
they, you know- yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You know what, though , man?
We're not being calledbackwardists.
Rigid yeah oh, no, yeah, forsure like come on, man, this is
better than that.
Like I, I am like.
He even said he may usesynodality to discuss the
liturgy, which would be a prettyinteresting move.
(34:57):
Right, it's like Francisintroduces synodality Not that
he introduced it, it was a thingbefore that, but he took it in
this direction that nobody eversaw coming.
They thought that synodalitywas going to be their vehicle to
lurch the church furtherleftward, and they did under
francis.
But maybe leo can lurch it backto the right a little, using
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the same process and going hey,I don't know, we're just a
listening church and the churchseems to be going this way
because the thing is the thechurch during the council, the
youth were very much behind thatrevolution and they wanted all
these changes.
It was a very youthful thing,but the youth now want tradition
.
So maybe the youth now this iswhat I don't get.
(35:42):
This is kind of like a hard onefor me to understand, because
the young people today, like thePope's planers and stuff, like
they are the youth.
If they want tradition, theyshould be making their case
known.
It's how, it's what they did inthe sixties and they got their
way.
Why would you not do the samething to try and get your way to
bring things back the other way.
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Do it within the bounds of thechurch.
You don't go and cause schism,things like that, but you put
pressure to get what you want.
It worked for them, why wouldyou not use the same?
It's the same thing with usgoing now where people are
losing their jobs and they'regoing.
You heard about free speech.
Like we don't care about freespeech anymore.
Like stop thinking the rulesapply the same way they did
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under John Paul II and Benedict.
They don't.
France has happened.
We're in a different place.
Now it's time to I'm not sayingbe disrespectful, but make your
, make your case known that youwant tradition.
Especially the young andfaithful catholics need to make
their, their position known totheir bishops, to their, their
priests, to everyone.
(36:48):
Don't just go along withnonsense because you want to be
obedient to the point of beingbeaten.
Make your case known to yourpriests and your bishops and let
it get back up to the top.
That the youth.
If you guys are concerned withwhat the youth want, we need to
have these listening synodsbecause we're concerned about
the youth.
The youth want tradition and ifthey hear that enough, I mean,
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I don't know, maybe I'm justwishful thinking, but
something's got to givesomewhere.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, I think we got to wait for all the bad bishops
Well, not all the poor bishops,it's just a little nonsense.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
What?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Find the best parish you can and just wait it out,
guys, because things aren'tgoing to get better.
I guess, I don't know.
I mean I don't know, I think.
I think.
I mean we gotta remember we'vestill seen very little from Leo,
right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, nothing.
I tried to tell you guys fromthe beginning.
He's a boring pope.
He's a boring pope.
He's a boring Pope.
That's just what he's going tobe.
He's going to be a boring Popefrom Chicago is not going to
light stuff up.
I think it'd be a veryuneventful papacy guys.
That's all he's not.
(38:03):
I'm sorry, god.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Like you said, he's going to at least want to seem
like he's talking to both sides,and he's, he's not gonna, just
he's, he's.
He's not the type to throwfrancis under the bus even if he
feels like he wants to maybechange course a little.
He's gonna give it room you to,where it can be seen like
(38:32):
something else happened to causehim to want to change course,
instead of just be like nope,francis was wrong, we're doing a
different yeah, there's no way,I believe.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
If he could do it diplomatically, so be it, but do
it, you know.
But, mimi, you might not wantto send them our videos.
I don't know if that's a goodidea no, yeah, the last place I
want to be known is in theVatican.
We love Mimi, she's great.
It's interesting because itdoes seem like he wants to
(38:59):
ratchet it back.
It feels like he knows Franciswas a handful.
I think he senses that thechurch is on the verge of schism
.
I think he's doing everythinghe can to keep it together,
whereas Francis was like I maybe the Pope that causes the
schism and I'll go down inhistory for it.
And he almost bragged about it.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I think he also has a better sense that the world
itself is on a precipice, rightyeah.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Europe, just things in general.
The world itself is on aprecipice and I don't think he
wants to cause division in thechurch, even though I think
causing that division could healthe church, would then heal the
world.
But I think he sees itdifferent I think he does see it
different.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
He's a bit of a politician and I'll tell you
right now, you want to know,it's a more important issue than
the liturgy, even, oh boy,maybe not more important than
the literature, but it's a lotof people.
It's a more important issuethan the liturgy, even.
Oh boy, you're maybe not moreimportant than the literature,
but it's a lot of people it's onpar with the liturgy is a pope
who came out and spoke properlyabout immigration.
Like the world is falling apartbecause we are allowing
immigrants to flood into ournation and there's no cohesion
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left in any of our countriesanymore.
Like if you got a pope whoactually spoke out and said
enough, we cannot continue theonslaught of the destruction of
Christian civilization.
That is immigration, ai.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I mean there's a lot of secular, not like, yeah, a
lot of secular things that Ithink the church needs to speak
on that are I don't know if Iwant to, like you said, I don't
know if I want to say moreimportant than the liturgy, but
yeah, I don't know if it's more.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, I want to, I want to.
I don't know if it's moreimportant than the liturgy, but
some of us obsess on the liturgyso much that we're missing some
things that are extremelyimportant, and I think
immigration is one of those,because I'm telling you, man,
I'm looking at our country andI'm like we talked about it the
(40:56):
other day, but when 9-11happened, we were like, oh,
we're a united America.
When this Charlie Kirk thinghappened, it was just division,
and part of that division isbecause you don't know who an
american is anymore, because yougot people pro.
You know people marching withmexican flags over here, people
with colombian flags over here,people with syrian flags over
here.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
This is a good way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
It's not more important, but it is more
immediately yes, okay yeah, um,you have, you know, people with
the, with the, uh, the, the gaza, israel issue, all these things
that are just fracturing us,and christian civilization is
going to collapse and fall apartbecause there's no nothing to
(41:36):
unite us together anymore.
No, it did not start with theitalians.
It started with the irishstarted with the irish, started
with the reformation we'retalking about immigration
immigration it's not irish inthe 1860s.
It did start with them, butthere was still.
There's something differentabout the current immigration
(41:58):
process, man, because theimmigrants that are coming in
now don't want to assimilate andbecome american.
They're coming in and they wantto stay whatever country
they're coming from and theywant to make their area into
that and they don't want to bethere are neighborhoods called
little italy still I know wetalked about this the other day,
though where?
(42:20):
yes, they they want to beamerican.
There's a difference like likethey couldn't wait to join the
war during world war ii andfight for america yeah, near the
irish, I mean, granted, most ofthe irish unfortunately joined
the north.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
But, um, you know there's rumors that his first
encyclical is going to be isgoing to touch on, on, like
income inequality.
And I think a lot of us on theso-called right like have a a
reflexive, like knee kickreaction to things like that,
(42:57):
like, oh, like it's.
You know that's leftist, that'scommunist, socialist, whatever.
But if you really think aboutit, a lot of the the problem is
like like immigration.
Immigration is being driven bya new like technocratic elite
that has popped up right and inin our demographics are failing
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and the that elite does not wanttheir profit margin to fail.
So what do they do?
They import mass amounts ofimmigrants from the third world
to prop up their profit margin.
So, even if say it is somethinglike income inequality, he
(43:39):
teaches on an encyclical first,I think we have to not have a
reflexive, like knee-jerkreaction to it and really like
try to you know well, read itand see what it says, because I
mean the Pope's talked about,you know, leo XIII talked about
that.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I don't think the encyclicals Leo puts out are
going to be anything like the.
The encyclicals leo puts outare going to be anything like
the francis encyclicals?
No, probably not.
I think they're going to bethoughtful and they're going to
be hard, but, like I, I thinkthey're going to be complex and
you're and the.
The problem is okay.
I was talking to my wife aboutthis today.
(44:21):
There's something in us nowwhere we think if one side
supports something, we have tobe the other.
Like if the left says this isgood, you have like this
reflexive reaction where youthink you have to be against it,
(44:41):
and I think that's going to bevery tricky under Leo.
It's the same thing with thisinterview.
Like everything in you wants tohandle it the way you handled
the Francis papacy and you wantto go in it and you want to
either be angry or you want tobe like you either want to be
like he's on our side or he's ontheir side.
He's on our side or he's ontheir side.
And maybe there's something towhat leo is doing.
(45:03):
Man.
Maybe there's something to justgoing look we're, we're, we're
in the church, man, like we're.
We're christian brothers andsisters, and if we don't learn
to speak to one another.
Like, if we don't learn tospeak to one another, we're
gonna get caught up in thiscivil war in our country.
That's coming Right.
But what if the right and leftgo to war and Catholics all
(45:25):
stuck together and didn'tpartake in the political aspect
of it and the Catholics werejust like, look, let them have
their political war.
We are children of God, we'regoing to do our thing.
Let them go to war and killeach other and let them do their
thing.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Like, honestly, if there's a way that that I don't
know if that's possible, butEspecially because any sort of
civil political violence likethat tends to just be incredibly
immoral on all sides.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah Right, that shows making fun of me.
I don't know.
I'm trying to.
I'm trying to not just jumpinto, I'm trying to not be
manipulated, because so much ofwhat we're going through right
now is we're all manipulatedthis is a good point and I think
(46:16):
we've seen some good, um goodchange on this.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
So conservationalism, like under like, say, teddy
roosevelt not that he it was agreat or perfect guy, but you
know legitimate, like takingcare of nature as its stewards,
using it, of course, for what wecan use it for, but not just
destroying it, but really takingcare of it, was always a a
principle of, of reallyconservatism.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I mean um, it was about started the national park
system because he saw americansgoing west and he was like whoa,
we better conserve some of thisstuff so that future
generations get to go and seemaybe he saw all the chinese
immigrants coming in and waslike no, no, no, but anyways, um
, but yeah.
Then the left took it andperverted it into
(47:03):
environmentalismenvironmentalism and and and
carbon dioxide and all thatstuff, like all that stuff is
nonsense.
But no, you, you actually youlike you absolutely should see
it as a christian virtue ormaybe not a virtue but a
christian principle to care forthe environment in which you
live and care to make sure youdon't pollute the world that God
has given to us.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
And just recently, when the Trump administration
was planning on selling millionsof acres of federal land, of
Bureau land management land outWest, you had a strong
conservative response to it thatended up stopping it in its
tracks.
So it's nice to seeconservatives coming around on
some issues that really shouldbe conservative sort of issues
(47:51):
um, yeah, look, I mean that'sthis.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
the problem is, like under laudato, si Francis
adopted the craziness of theleft, like in that document, he
allowed Jeffrey Sachs to writeit.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
You know what I mean.
So yeah, that was bonkers, butconserving the like for caring
for your, the place you live,and not wanting your children to
have polluted water and thingslike that.
There's not to want to conservethe fish population so that you
you know you don't you haveyour children will be able to
fish the waters where you live.
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Things like that.
Like that is a veryconservative Christian principle
, so it's.
It's just all these topics havebeen so, so muddied by politics
and revolution and Marxism andthings like that.
It's just what did Jake sayhere?
I got to keep the.
(48:51):
I read Pachendi once and nowI'm the expert on heresy dummies
out of the TLC.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
It comes from this one.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
There should be an IQ test for becoming a trad.
Yeah, I'm very concerned aboutfish now.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Okaybi petris settle down with the iq test bud um, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
I like I want to conserve the fish but I want to
kill all the stupid raccoonstrash.
I'm totally fine with raccoonsgoing extinct trash pandas um,
they're mean, they are, yeah,vicious.
Um trads for kamala.
Yeah, look, all right, all Ican tell you is um, it's hard
(49:35):
for me to flesh my thoughts outon this when I'm exhausted and I
have to go to work in a fewhours I did want to jump on and
talk about a little bit too.
I really couldn't believe we arethe first content creators to
discuss this, though.
There was no taylor marshallvideo on this today.
There was no tim gordon videoon this today.
There was no.
Uh, like I didn't.
(49:57):
Even even anthony stein missedit, because the news came out
after he had done his show.
Like all the typical guys youwould see doing this didn't do
it.
We're pretty much the first todo it and nobody cares.
There's 300 people watching.
It is strapped.
Look, here's what I'll say.
(50:17):
I think Trad Inc is dying Likethe Tradosphere.
Tradistan is dying.
There isn't the same fervor forthis kind of news anymore.
When I pointed out that therewas only like 2000 views on some
(50:41):
of these people interview clipsat first, I was like really,
I'm like what the heck is this?
It was almost like until Itweeted about it, nobody even
knew they were up.
But it's because the CharlieKirk story was so big that
nothing else could creep throughRight.
So they.
They released these videos theday after Charlie gets shot and
(51:01):
nothing could creep through thesound barrier where the Charlie
Kirk story was all anybodywanted to hear about.
So this is our first endeavorto discuss something other than
Charlie or news surroundingCharlie in a week and I don't
know if people are ready toleave that story yet.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Judging from the views so far, no.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
It seems not.
It seems like all people wantis their Charlie Kirk updates.
But we do have to get on toother things, and a papal
interview with the firstAmerican pope is kind of a big
deal, and especially if it'ssignaling towards some
concessions and maybe a slightrelief of some of the stuff that
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we endured under Francis.
Now, look you have, you'regoing to have your um.
You're you're going to haveyour um like hardcore trads that
are just fed up and they'rejust they're going to.
I think they're going to makethe mistake of trying to treat
Leo like Francis, and I don'tthink people have an appetite
(52:04):
for it anymore.
I just don't think there's alot of people who did this, who
were very successful underFrancis and they made their
bones during that papacy becauseeverybody was shocked.
I'm like what the heck?
What is going on?
But I don't think people, likeall content creators, need to
(52:25):
learn how to adapt.
Right now, things are changing.
Things are changing drastically.
I don't know, I don't knowwhere the wind is blowing at the
moment.
I just know the thing that thatwas, that was the thing of the
moment three, four years ago, isnot anymore.
So we all need to figure outwhat we're going to do and how
(52:46):
we're going to keep the churchtogether.
Because I don't know, I don'tknow, there's there's not much
like I don't know.
I don't know if it's just somuch dilution from so many
people doing this, but there's,there's definitely something
going on right now where peopletheir, their interests are
changing and they just kind ofyou know, you get, you get
fatigued from hearing the samestuff over and over.
(53:07):
It's easy to be militant whenfrancis clearly hated us.
It's difficult to have thatenergy towards leo because he
doesn't hate us.
Yeah, and I'm not going to be, Imean, although I am drinking
out of my set of a contest cuptonight literally is my uh, the
Catholic family news pack on myCatholic family podcast, which
(53:29):
is, uh, kevin, over, uh over, aCatholic family podcast.
They sent me a mug after I didthe conversation with Nova, sort
of watch.
I'm drinking my set of acontest mug, but I am not a set
of a contest.
I'm drinking my set of acontest mug, but I am not a set
of a contest.
I'm not.
I'm not leaving the church.
I don't think Leo's an anti-Pope, like I don't know, and and the
guys that you know, some guys Ireally respect are, or they,
(53:52):
you know.
They may think I'm being acoward.
I'm not.
I don't.
I don't know the answers to alot of this stuff, but, uh, I
know the answers to a lot ofthis stuff, but I'm not leaving
the bosom of the church becausethe last time I did that, I
ended up like Steve Skojak justto bring things back to the
beginning.
I went through that phase whereI got fed up and I left, and I
know what happened in my life.
I know the Catholic churchstill provides the sacraments
(54:16):
and they are the real sacraments, because I experienced the
grace of those sacraments in mylife daily.
It saved.
It saved my marriage, it savedmy life, so I'm not going
anywhere.
Um, and I'm I'm kind of at apoint where I don't want to be a
pope basher, just because Idon't.
I don't think any catholicshould want to do that, and the
guys that are like all the trads, trad inc.
(54:39):
Needs to apologize.
Leo's clearly doing that.
I'm glad they didn't put me inthat mix because I've never been
a trad ink guy.
I've never been one of thoseguys to begin with.
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I don't know what I am, to be honest I'm just trying
to say that doesn't even tellpeople's real name, so whatever
I'm.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I'm just saying I don't know what I am.
I know I I I just want to be afaithful catholic and I want to
be a good dad and a good husbandand, uh, I want to try to
figure out how we're going topresent the faith to our
audience in a proper way.
I want to keep people in thechurch and I want to keep people
on fire for the faith and onfire for christ, and we're going
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to have to figure out how to dothat because it's we don't have
the same atmosphere we didunder francis.
It's just different now.
So we're gonna, you know, we'regonna iron out some kinks as
the show goes on and we're gonnahope you guys stay for the ride
with us.
I think he means you're hisfavorite ethnic.
Ethnic, yeah, I appreciate thatI'm glad you guys have a little
room for uh we do have a couplethings.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I want to mention one .
Apparently, lofton is tellinghis audience to report us, so
should we play that clip?
I texted it to you, it's, and Itweeted it today well, that,
and wagner tweeted or texted tome too, so um, yeah let me pull
that up real quick, like give mea second, okay, okay.
(56:08):
So this is a fun little clipeveryone yeah, if you guys
didn't see this again.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Keep this stuff in mind.
This is the source, is thecrowd.
This is the type of peoplewhere this kind of stuff is
coming from, and they can nevershow you any kind of screenshot
where I'm mocking Charlie oranything.
All they can do is twist.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
But to be fair, lofton, we actually did, and
then you deleted it.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
You deleted that comment.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Words, take context and then put some spin on it and
just hope and trust that peoplewon't do due diligence and look
into the matter.
So you know, if y'all want togo and report these channels,
report these people for hatespeech or harassment, you know
what that probably is a goodidea.
You know what that probably isa good idea.
(57:00):
I would probably reportscholastic answers.
Cleave to antiquity Sam ShamoonAnthony from avoiding Babylon
any of those guys, because thefeeling is defamatory.
In reality, I could sue thesepeople for death.
Wear my shirt and drag themthrough that.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Rob, I'm sorry, I feel bad.
You got left out.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
man, I always get left out of these.
I'm sorry, feel bad.
You got left out.
Man always get left out of theI'm sorry, man, you got left out
.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
But do be aware, no one starts wars with me, no one
threatens to sue me.
It's always you I.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
You know I feel bad.
You got left out.
You want to know what'sinteresting.
Like I've never said anythingdefamatory about lofton, ever,
ever Like.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
I've never even played the furry clip of him.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
I didn't play that.
That was your.
That was your.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
The like, and I haven't really talked about him
in a long time Like I, we did it.
I did the one video about himto start because he was telling
me I'm going to hell and allthis stuff, like that was, it
was, but I never like what whatWagner did.
I can understand him being alittle upset about, but like
I've never even dug into hispersonal life or anything like
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that we we've got.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Let's see, there was, we did the video ones and
called him big man with a littlebeard.
We did the video when, uh, witha little beard.
We did the video when, uh,father chiron tore him a new one
.
Um, so we comment when otherpeople rip him a new one.
We really, uh, don't do much tohim.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
I I I commented on his ability to maintain
relationships, but I mean, look,we're gonna.
We're going to discuss thiswith wagner on monday.
Um listen, the funny thing is,I am way more diplomatic than
rob is, and I hope you guys havepicked up on that over the.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
I'm currently locked on twitter right now you.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
So okay, so I will, I will want to touch on a subject
and I'll I'll try to dancearound it and like skirt around
it without like burning thebridge or something like that,
and then rob will just come outand just go yeah, this is what I
think I'm like.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Oh no, like there goes that relationship oh, kind
of like what I did with uh thatsomeone in locals last time that
he has that.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
Like I was trying to just address, like you know, a
particular topic about it andyou were just like just said
something about him, like oh boy, here we go, um, yeah, I'm
pretty bad on locals.
You say it with nuance.
No, it's rob's demeanor.
He's very calm and like, likehe's very soft-spoken when he
(59:45):
says it.
So people think he's very,they're very, they underestimate
his, his brutal nature.
I don't, I don't think bourbonrob all that often, apparently.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah, um so, all right, we are the other thing, I
.
So I brought that up because ifhe is going to people report us
, it'd be helpful if you guysdid the opposite and, like,
shared us also.
Um, I'm sure you've heard thison other youtube channels, but
in case you haven't, apparentlythey added a new restricted mode
(01:00:16):
that is sometimes on by defaultfor people in their settings.
So if you go up to Settings andI don't know where exactly,
you'll have to search for it,but there's a restricted mode
and it will automatically filteranything it thinks is adult
content, which, on some of thesubjects we talk about, it could
(01:00:36):
easily filter things out ifthat's on.
So check your YouTube settings,make sure that's not turned on,
because it could be filteringout a lot of the stuff you're
used to seeing on YouTubeincluding us, cause we're so
we're so restricted.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
But all right, we do have to wrap this one up.
I have to go and get to sleepand I have to leave for work in
four and a half hours.
So it was fun hanging with youguys tonight.
No, so it was fun hanging withyou guys tonight.
No local show tonight, but ifyou guys do like us, we do do an
awful lot over on locals, soplease subscribe to us over
there.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Next week's going to be a little different.
Monday we're going to bestreaming with Wagner, so the
Guns and Rosary show that wouldhave been on Monday is going to
be on Tuesday.
Normal show on Monday, and thenlet's.
Oh boy, what if Ripper says yesto Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
No, no, no, he's not doing Tuesday.
No, no, no, oh, that's theother thing.
Okay, we have a huge FatherRipper interview coming up.
Was it confirmed?
The date is not, the interviewis, so we know who we're getting
him.
We're trying to hammer out thedate.
We're going to discuss and thiswas all, rob perfect topic.
(01:01:44):
Rob wants to discuss, like, theoccult connection to these
anarchic trans groups.
Um and what?
What was, what was the?
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
one of ripperger's um big series that that is very
popular is he did like afour-hour series on communism
the connection between the,between the diabolic and
communism, like how, how theyoperate the same, how they use
the same tactics, and I thinkinterviewing him and kind of
updating a little from communism, which still exists in the
(01:02:19):
world but seems to have reallymorphed into this, um,
anarchistic, uh accelerationists, like gay trans, you know,
groups sort of things, um, Ithink having him talk about that
would be really cool, becausethese groups have been involved
with the shooting, um I thinkwe're going to probably find
(01:02:39):
that might be involved with thisalleged shooter of Charlie Kirk
.
These groups are involved in alot more stuff than I think
people realize and it does seemjust so satanic in nature and
I'd love to get his opinion onthat.
Wait, wait, wait.
Kevin James is Catholic.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I just heard this.
This is crazy, I can't believe.
Somebody just said this theother day.
I couldn't believe it.
I was blown away.
I'm hoping another Rippergerinterview will maybe facilitate
that.
We'll see.
Alright, guys, we're going towrap this up.
Thank you all for joining us.
Please go join our locals.
That is how we pay the bills.
We'll see you guys Monday night.
(01:03:53):
Thank you.
A couple months ago, these two wild ducks landed in
my pool.
It was amazing.
They're from Canada orsomeplace, and it was mating
season.
They had some ducklings.
This is great.
(00:40):
Then I come out one day.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
At first it felt like there was ginger ale in my
skull.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Do you feel depressed Ever since the ducks left I?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
guess.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, tony, let's talk about that then oh my
goodness, oh no, oh my fish.
That is exactly how I felt whenmy fish got eaten.
You have no idea.
I felt like I got.
I got lightheaded and I feltlike I was gonna fall over.
I had a totally different videothat I thought rob was gonna
(01:53):
play.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I did not see that ahead of time david, I worked on
that yesterday and then thismorning.
He's like anthony made me makethis but we're gonna use the
other one, right?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm like, yeah, we're using the other one okay, so
I'm glad you guys didn't let meknow about that one.
Um, I do have the other oneready if you want to play that
well, the other one was my idea,but I would have to do an
explainer after that one, like Iwould have had to explain it.
So, um, a couple things, man.
Uh, first of all, I'm likebeyond sick.
(02:22):
Uh, I have to leave for work at12.
I have to wake up at 12 30tonight and then leave for work
at one o'clock.
So this is not gonna be a localshow.
We're gonna.
It's kind of gonna be like a 45minute episode, but we'll.
I don't want to bury the lead,but I kind of want to um mention
uh steve skojak for a second.
Um you should explain who thatis steve skoja yeah, that's what
(02:46):
I'm gonna do.
So steve skojak uh used to runone peter five.
Uh, he was one of the mostprominent figures in traditional
catholicism.
Um, he, he ran one peter fiveand then he started having a
(03:06):
crisis of faith and it was verypublic and he started writing
about this crisis of faith.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And it was during COVID it was during COVID, okay,
right because it all came to ahead with him getting his child
baptized.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you're right, yeah, okay.
So Steve had this very publiccrisis of faith and I'm not
going to downplay some of thethings Steve said.
Steve said some reallyblasphemous stuff during this
time when he was having thiscrisis of faith and a ton of
(03:49):
Catholics lambasted him and werejust so brutal to him.
And I understand why.
It was because he Some of thethings he was saying were really
hard to witness.
But he was so angry with godduring this time and I don't
(04:10):
know if people have ever, ifyou've never, had a crisis of
faith.
You have to understand that thisis an existential crisis,
especially when you're acatholic and you believe the
faith and your whole liferevolves around the faith for a
significant portion of your life.
And then you have a crisis offaith where you actually lose
(04:45):
your faith.
It is shattering toraments.
You do not know how quicklyyour life spirals because you go
through this stage where Godkind of says to you okay, you
want that, you can have that,and God kind of gives you up to
your own desires, that you canhave that, and God kind of gives
(05:05):
you up to your own desires andyou spiral into this, you spiral
into your old habits in a waywhere it's like when the house
is swept clean, seven demonsreturn and you find yourself in
a place you can't imagine.
And I only know this because Iwent through this under Francis.
When the synod on the familyhappened and we started getting
(05:27):
a Morris Leticia, I had a crisisof faith and I left the
sacraments and my life spiraledand got so bad that my like the
fights I was having in my home.
I got to a point where mymarriage almost came to a
separation.
Okay, so Steve today wrote thispiece explaining that his wife
(05:51):
has filed for separation.
This is all public information.
I'm not discussing anythingprivate.
Steve is very open about this.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Doesn't matter.
Someone's going to call itgossip anyways.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's this, I'm trying to um this.
I'm trying to um, I'm trying togive some insight into my why.
Okay, so, whatever, let mecontinue.
So he, he wrote a piece todayjust explaining some of the
struggles he's going through anda lot of it has to do with his
mental state and him havingthese like explosive emotional
(06:22):
outbursts.
And his wife finally got to apoint where she was like I've
had it and she warned him,coming up to, she said, steve, I
don't know how much more ofthis I could take.
And she finally just let.
Now Steve can't tell everybodydetails of this because when
you're going through a divorcefor legal reasons, all he could
do is share his own experience.
So Steve was very open about,like, the things he's been going
(06:43):
through, right, and he's hadthis crisis of faith.
He lost one, peter five.
He sold it.
He hasn't been able to holddown a job since he's had these
emotional outbursts with hiswife.
(07:05):
I was able to keep it together,but the fighting with my wife
was so bad at this time and Ifound myself back in sins that I
thought I had long conqueredand abusing things, that I just
horrible things.
That just led to a point whereI found myself before the cross
and holy innocence, hystericallyweeping, begging God to save me
(07:27):
, and it like that.
That whole experience was Godallowing me to go through that,
letting my life kind of fallapart and getting me to a point
where I was in shambles begginghim, and that whole process is
what led me back to the faithand got me where I am now.
(07:49):
It was such an important partof my life.
And watching what Steve's goingthrough, the amount of empathy
I have for him because I kind ofsee where he's at, and there's
a few people that I care verymuch about that had the opinion
they're like I really don't havesympathy for him because he dug
this grave himself and Iunderstand that, because you see
(08:11):
somebody act this way for yearsonline and you imagine what
they're doing in their personallife is probably 10 times worse.
And it was Like the things hewas probably doing were horrific
.
And he says this he says I hadto leave my home for the safety
of my family.
It's him admitting this Likethis is what he's saying, right,
but I feel like this wholething is God getting him to that
(08:38):
place where I was and this islike a prodigal son moment and
you cannot have sympathy for theperson.
But I can only tell you thisthe only person who had sympathy
for me when I was in thatscenario was my mom and man that
had such an important role inme understanding the mercy of
(09:00):
Our Lady.
It was between that and thesituation with my brother and
just seeing my mom being theonly one who I could go to and
talk to, and she didn't judge me, she didn't condemn me, even
though she did not like thethings that were happening in my
life.
She was just the one person Icould go to.
So I've watched a lot ofCatholics throw prayers for like
(09:24):
, like.
That's all I'm saying is praySteve right now, because this
might be a prodigal son moment.
This might be God working inhis life in a way we can't see,
and in two years you might seeSteve back at the top of like,
living a Catholic life, and hecould have healing in his family
and this could be a miraculousconversion experience in the
making, right now, in his family, and this could be a miraculous
(09:46):
conversion experience in themaking right now.
So do your best to not justcrap on him when he's at a
moment, when he's down, because,I'm telling you, when a man's
wife leaves him and his familydoesn't want anything to do with
him, like it's a very, verydangerous place for a person to
be.
So, yeah, all right If that'sall you can do.
So, yeah, all right if that'sall you can do, but I pray for
(10:09):
Steve.
So it's just something I wantedto say because I understand how
, but a lot of times we won'thave empathy or sympathy for
somebody.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
No, not Crowder, we're not praying for.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Steve Crowder, steve Skojak.
A lot of times we can have like, we have a hard time having
sympathy for somebody because wecompare ourselves to them and
we're like, well, I would neverdo that.
But if you compare yourself toChrist, like it's almost
impossible to judge someonebecause you're like man, I fall
so far short myself that, likehow can I judge somebody else?
(10:44):
So I'm not defending his, not,I'm not defending his actions,
I'm not defending anything.
I'm just urging people to justpray for a man who's in a very
vulnerable situation and praythat God's grace comes into his
life and pray that he returns tothe faith and pray that this is
one of those moments.
So, um, okay, I just wanted tosay my piece on that To the
(11:05):
actual topic of the show.
So Crux, for anybody thatdoesn't know, john Allen Jr has
been a Vatican correspondentsince 1997.
You know who John Allen Jr is,rob, no, okay.
So, john, yeah, you don't payattention to this stuff.
I've, I always have paidattention to this stuff.
(11:26):
Um, john allen jr has been avatican correspondent since 1997
are they?
still using equipment from menthis is what we're gonna get
into.
He's uh, he worked for thenational catholic, he worked for
the Boston Globe.
He's a senior Vaticancorrespondent for CNN.
(11:52):
This guy is not a newbie tomedia.
He's not like some new mediaguy.
Okay, he gets the firstinterview with the first
American pope and I have neverseen a bigger blunder in my life
.
Rob, play the 21-second clip togive people an idea of what
we're talking about here.
(12:12):
Okay, this is a failure on epicpurport.
I just don't understand howthis happened.
So play the quick 21 secondclip, because he gets this
interview and he puts his wifeas the interviewee or the
interviewer, and Pope Leo is theinterviewee, I guess, right.
(12:35):
So he puts his wife as theinterviewer and listen to this
and wait, pay very closeattention to the camera lens.
Listen to this and wait, payvery close attention to the
camera lens.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, this is Well, I think that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Do you see the finger Do?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
you see the finger.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You're going to have to be quiet during this, or none
of us are gonna hear anythingoh my gosh, how did they do this
?
You know, if leo made themleave all the fancy equipment
like outsiders, like no, justthat 10 year old iphone right
there, that's all you get thereis.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
This has to be like an iphone four.
What was it?
The four plus or something isthe four s.
The four s the first one thathad siri listen to the audio and
look at his finger come acrossthe screen.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Make sure the volume's up so everybody can
hear this I'm gonna startfreaking out if everything, if
everyone starts claimingeverything is ai, I'm getting so
sick of it already.
You might just be joking, ocw,I'm not.
It's just getting so oldalready.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, it's so bad.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
How do you understand synodality?
How would you define it?
I think synodality is anattitude, an openness.
John Allen Jr, what did you?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
do here, because you know that's.
Don't worry, that's just a 21second clip.
We're going to actually play aclip and we're going to get into
some good stuff that he did.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
This is like my four-year-old trying to take
pictures with the iPad.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's so bad First off , okay.
So these clips have been onyoutube for four days.
We have trivia episodes withmore views, like well, you
posted it this morning.
This is so bad I can't.
I'm like baffled by this.
I like this cnn.
So cnn actually like aired apiece of it on one of their news
(14:44):
clips and they have to befurious with him like was it a
planned interview, yes or no?
like it was scheduled, of courseit was scheduled.
It's the first, first interviewthe pope is giving.
It's going to be a book.
It's going to be it's going outin spanish and then it'll be
out in English.
It is so bad, cnn OK.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
OK, so it wasn't really meant as like a visual or
audio media interview.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Maybe not, but you're releasing clips on YouTube like
that.
Like this is on their cruxYouTube channel Like this is
them releasing exclusiveinterview with the Pope.
So, yeah, it'll be a it'll be abook later, but you're just
going to get this in the Pope.
So, yeah, it'll be a.
It'll be a book later, butyou're just going to get this in
the book, like it's 2025.
People want to watch videos ofthe Pope speaking in.
(15:33):
English.
People don't want to read it ina book.
They want to see a video of thePope speaking in English.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a phenomenon that we'venever seen Like, and you know it
.
It's a phenomenon that we'venever seen Like, and you know
it's a jumbled too, but jumbledtoo.
Barely spoke English, you know,and Benedict was better at
English than JP too, I guess butaudio quality in 1978 was
better than this was better thanthis.
(15:54):
Like I mean, I've heard FBItapes of the mob that sound
better than this when somebody'swearing a wire the, the, the.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He's wearing a wire, but yeah, the fbi tapes of uh,
mlk, uh, participating incertain things is way better
than this probably man, this wasso bad.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I just I'm like I was embarrassed for them putting
this out.
I I my teeth hurt fromclenching my teeth, like as I'm
trying to.
I'm like you.
You guys should have putsubtitles up, because nobody can
even understand what's going onhere.
So we have two segments we wantto actually go over tonight.
One I actually did in videoform.
The other one is on the liturgy.
(16:32):
He says some very interestingthings on the liturgy, but
there's a video of what he sayson the LGBT, so I put that video
in.
Rob, we can actually go to thatNow.
You guys do your best.
Just on the fbi tapes from youryard.
I've heard.
I've heard fbi wiretaps fromjohn gaudy that had better audio
(16:54):
quality than this.
Um, yeah, so no, you probablywon't be able to hear it.
Well, you do your best.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I mean, I don know the fact that the most
unprofessional cancer in theworld is upset at the
unprofessionalism of someoneelse is hilarious Guys.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I worked in the pouring rain.
I was sick leading up toyesterday and then I worked in
the pouring rain.
I am like beyond sick right now.
So I'm sorry for the coughingand stuff.
But yes, it is for an outfitlike you and I, who are so
beyond unprofessional, to beupset about the unprofessional
outfit of because, look like Isaid if this was like a new
media outfit or something,that's one thing, but john allen
(17:35):
jr has been doing this since,since I was in diapers like
might be the problem.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
He might think oh man , this iphone 4s got the best
camera in the world.
It's gonna be perfect for this.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
How much is a lapel mic on amazon 75 bucks I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I bought a couple for like 200 bucks.
Yeah, maybe 200 bucks or northcarolina, in case we did
interviews and we haven'ttouched them um, but just like
simple lapel mics, they're 200bucks on amazon.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Like you're a professional media outlet.
You, you're a correspondent forcnn and you, just, you don't
even put the bucks on amazonlike you're a professional media
outlet.
You, you're a correspondent forcnn and you, just you don't
even put the camera on a stand,you put your finger in the frame
I have an idea for baptismweekend.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Let's, we're gonna wear lapel mics and we're gonna
do ant and rob mic'd up for thewhole weekend, you know like
I've not like on the sidelinesof a football game, you know
that yeah, that's what we'regoing to do.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'll let too many stupid things slip.
There's no chance.
I want that on record.
All right, let's do thefive-minute clip.
We'll go through that and thenwe'll go through the liturgy
stuff.
The liturgy stuff, it's alittle frustrating.
I think the whole interview iskind of frustrating, so I'll
give my perspective on it.
I'm not going to like spurg outon Leo or anything, it's just
(18:47):
it's frustrating.
That's what it is.
It's frustrating and we'll playthe clip and then we'll get
into it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I apologize for Ann's ableism right there everyone
spurg.
I love how you had a take.
You're like, wait a minute, Iam not firing on all cylinders
tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Okay, paul, at this time in history, I'm trying not
to continue to polarize.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Hold on, notice how he said that I'm trying not to
continue to polarize.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, because he knows the last not to continue
to polarize.
Yeah, because he knows the lastpapacy was very polarizing.
So, look, this is what we'regoing to end up talking about,
because I see what Leo is doing.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Let's just go through it and then we'll do our
commentary.
I promote polarization in thechurch.
Let's go through it and thenwe'll do our commentary.
Promote polarization in thechurch.
And I'm trying to say it's whatFrancis said very clearly
saying todos, todos, todos,everyone's invited in.
But I don't invite a person inbecause they are or are not of
any specific identity.
I invite a person in becausethey're the son or daughter of
God and you're all welcome andlet's speak to know one another
(20:08):
and respect one another.
And at some point, whenspecific questions will come up
I'm not going to say at somepoint people want the church
doctrine to change, wantattitudes to change.
I think we have to changeattitudes before we ever change
the doctrine.
I find it highly unlikely incertainly the immediate future,
(20:29):
that the church stops in termsof what the church teaches about
sexuality, what the churchteaches about marriage.
I've always spoken aboutmarriage as it over-answers when
you spoke about a family beinga man and a woman in solemn
commitment to the blessing andsacrifice of marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I pause it real quick .
Speaker 4 (20:49):
And even to say that I understand that that's
something that will take.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He's trying to clean up and tidy up some of the stuff
Francis did right and some ofthe stuff that everybody was
very critical of.
Francis, I want to be likeFrancis, like todos, todos,
todos.
They're like, told us, told us,told us all are welcome.
But I don't welcome peoplebecause of their identity.
We welcome them because they'rebaptized, children of God.
I don't know if he saidbaptized, he said sons and
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daughters of God.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
So he's welcoming only baptized people folks.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
And like he's trying, he's trying to clean up some of
the messiness of francis.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Right, you're hold on .
Can we show them the othervideo we had?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
so this would let's play the intro video that I
actually I came up with.
Let's, let's play it real quick.
So this was trying to.
Can you skip through the music?
No, I can't.
It doesn't let me skip throughthe music.
It's like it's a quick one,it's 27 seconds's 27 seconds.
So here we go 27 seconds.
This was my idea for an introtonight.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
How do you understand ?
How would you define it?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
so now, if we had played that as the intro, I
would have to explain to youguys what I'm making fun of the
pope, like we're making fun ofthe audio quality of the video
and stuff.
But I that was my idea for anintro video because that was all
I could think of when I watchedit the first time.
I'm like this sounds like thecharlie brown teacher audio.
I cannot believe what I'mlistening to right now yes, yes,
(22:37):
he is I would stop it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's a good thing he really liked the other intro,
because if he didn't and wedidn't play the one he thought
of, he would have been very notthat the intro videos are going
to be very, uh, important goingforward.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
We'll talk about that on another, another time.
But, um, I'm sorry, man, mymind is just not firing well, uh
, okay.
So so what he's doing is he'strying to tidy up some of the
stuff francis did, but he's alsotrying to be all things to all
people and he's trying to saythings that the left can grab
and say look, you see, he's'sdoing what Francis did, and the
right can go and go, look, he'scleaning up what Francis did.
(23:13):
And then the people who thinkhe's going to be Francis II are
going to focus on the bad thingshe said, and the people that
are trying to make it like he'syou know, pope Leo the 14th.
What are you laughing at?
He actually is probably on the14th.
(23:33):
You idiot like why is that?
I'm sorry, guys, like heactually is Leo the 14th, um not
important in the way you thinkyou're not getting fired mostly
more careful.
I think, Taffy, not important inthe way you think you're not
getting fired.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no nono, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He told Taffy what to put in the video.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, Taffy still made the video.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So Wait, is Taffy actually hired?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I mean, I don't know if he's been paid yet we do have
$96 in a fund for him, but hehasn't sent me his phone number
to give it to him yet, but it'sstill sitting there.
I think what trads want is apope whose yes means yes and no
means no.
Yeah, and that's not what we'regoing to get from Leo.
(24:38):
It's just not.
It's so.
It's not what we would havegotten from any of the Cardinals
that were well.
So he is being trying to bediplomatic and the polarization,
um, so the LGBT stuff he's likeI'm going to continue along
with what Francis is, but likeit's the same thing with the
(25:01):
women's ordination thing.
He's like you know he keptsaying the church's teaching
isn't going to change.
He did keep saying thatthroughout the interview.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
He's even when he qualified it a little, though.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Even when discussing um, um, ecumenism, he's like you
know, it's important we don'tdisrespect these other religions
, but at the same time I am notafraid to say I believe in Jesus
Christ and I think it is my jobto go and spread the you know,
spread the message of JesusChrist to the world.
But that doesn't mean we haveto disrespect other religions,
and I think it's important tohave interfaith dialogues to
(25:33):
make sure that there's peace inthe world and things like that.
It's just very squishy andthat's just what you're going to
get from Leo.
You're not going to.
He's not Francis II, he's notgoing.
So I guess we'll get into theliturgy stuff, because that's
kind of the stuff everybodywants to do and I only have like
another 20 minutes before Icollapse.
So let's do the liturgy thing.
(25:56):
And it's written article, right?
Yeah, it's the article.
So it's written word.
They didn't release this onaudio yet.
You have to scroll down prettyfar.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Is it in the Crux website?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's on the latest Crux article I sent.
Okay, let me pull that one up.
So there is another issue,which is also another hot button
(26:31):
issue, which I have alreadyreceived a number of requests
and letters about the questionabout people always say the
latin mass.
Well, you can say the latin,the mass in latin right now.
If it's the vatican ii, right,there's no problem obviously
between the tridentine mass andthe vatican ii mass, the massive
pole, the six, I'm not surewhere that's going to go.
It's a very, it's obviouslyvery complicated.
(26:52):
Leo, your, your holiness, no,you cannot say the massive pole,
the sixth in latin.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm sorry if not in the diocese of charlotte, not in
any of detroit very fewdioceses.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Can you just change the Mass of Paul VI over to
Latin?
It would be a start for, youknow, fixing some of the
nonsense.
But that's not actually allowed.
So it would be nice if he putthat qualification, if he told
the bishops that that would benice.
I do know that part of thatissue unfortunately has become
(27:30):
again part of the process ofpolarization.
He's very worried aboutpolarization.
People have used the liturgy asan excuse for advancing other
topics.
It's become a political tooland that's very unfortunate.
Vatican II Mass was not helpfulfor people who were looking for
a deeper experience of prayer,of contact with the mystery of
(27:55):
faith that they seem to find inthe celebration of the
Tridentine Mass.
Again we've become polarized sothat instead of being able to
say, well, if we celebrate theVatican II Liturgy in a proper
way, do you really find thatmuch of a difference between
this experience and thatexperience?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But Leo was ordained under the new right and he
doesn't know the old right.
So maybe he's asking thequestion do you really find that
much of a difference For us?
Yes, and even him saying well,you can say the Massapul VI in
Latin.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I really don't think Leo actually understands that
there is a very big differencein this the vast like, if, if
only two, two choices were given, the vast majority of trads
would rather have the tridentinein the vernacular than the
novus ordo in latin yeah, forsure it's, it's, it's now
obviously he's really just likethe tridentine mass in latin.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Obviously yes yeah, that might be like a nice
compromise for a period orsomething, I don't know.
But, um, so uh, he said I havenot had the chance to really sit
down with a group of people whoare advocating for the
Tridentine Right.
That's important.
So, like he's heard things,bishops have said things, but he
hasn't had a chance to sit downand talk to people.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Apparently this interview was before some of his
meetings with like Burke andSarah, so yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I've not had the chance to really sit down with a
group of people who areadvocating for the tridentine
right.
There's an opportunity comingup soon and I'm sure there will
be occasions for that.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So he might have been talking about his meeting with.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Burke right, maybe.
Yeah, it's become the kind ofissue that's so polarized that
people aren't willing to sit andlisten to one another.
Oftentimes I've heard bishopstalk to me They've talked to me
about that where they say weinvited them to this and that
they just won't even come.
They won't hear it, they won'teven talk about it.
There's a problem.
There's a problem and that's aproblem in itself.
(29:49):
It means we're into ideologyNow.
We're no longer into theexperience of church communion.
That's the one issue on the.
That's one of the issues on theagenda.
The one thing that kind of willdrive you nuts If you're a trad
and you're listening to this.
He I mean man when he talksabout synodality.
(30:11):
It's like we're trying to uh.
Uh, synodality is about how we,we are church, like it's just
this.
Oh, it's so frustrating, man.
It's this, it's justfrustrating, um, but it's, it's
vatican to catholicism, likethat's what it is.
It's just vatican to cath man,this is where it is.
So I don't know.
(30:32):
I know we've talked about thisand I've caught a lot of heat
from some people for saying it,but all of the popes, since the
council, seem to talk like this.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
This really is no different.
It's not.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
They all are like this.
They're all, and I put it bysaying it's almost like they're
ashamed of Catholic teaching.
Right, they're ashamed to saywhat the church teaches.
So they have to qualifyeverything and they have to
backpedal and soften everythingand it's all about presenting
this weakened, watered-downversion of the faith.
But that's just what you getright now.
(31:08):
It's not heresy, it watereddown version of the faith, but
that's just what you get rightnow.
It's not heresy.
It's not like Francis was.
Yeah, yeah, there weredefinitely some.
You had to qualify the heck outof everything he said, that's
for sure.
There were so many qualifiersfor every single thing he did.
Look, part of me thinks he'skind of bracing the liberals and
(31:35):
saying look, you won't even sitdown with them and hear them
out, and he's kind of preparingthem for I'm going to loosen the
restrictions.
Sounds like part of it.
The other part of it could beyo trads, chill out, I can't
just do this.
You need this.
(31:56):
Like he's talking to both sidesand he's trying to be trying to
be a bridge builder he's.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
The thing is these two sides really can't coexist.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's kind of no.
It's kind of no different fromeverything we've seen since the
charlie kirk thing in thepolitical realm and I'm hoping
that that that eventually leosees that and he comes down on
the right side of it.
I do think he, like even someof the ways he talks are like
letting people know, like we'renot changing the teaching.
(32:21):
He even came down on thosebishops in Northern Europe who
performed a gay blessing yeah,he did.
In Northern Europe whoperformed a gay blessing yeah,
he did.
He came down on them and he waslike I see these bishops in
Northern Europe performing a gayblessing, going completely
against the document thatFrancis intended and making
there some kind of ceremony outof this, when that's not what
Francis said in the document.
(32:41):
The document said of course wecan bless anybody, but we cannot
bless this situation.
Marriage is between a man and awoman.
He's so much better thanFrancis on terms of basic moral
principle.
He is Just know what you guyshave.
He's not going to be someradical like Francis was.
(33:05):
He's also not going to be asgood as Benedict was on the
liturgy and it's just.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It's just, he doesn't abandon us.
As a worst pope, though, I'lltake that I'm much happier than
I was last year.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It's much, it's much easier to defend catholicism
under leo, right, like, if, like, if you're talking to so far,
if you're talking to Protestants, it's easier to defend the
faith with Leo than it was inthe like Francis, some of the
things he said.
But then again I'm still seeingyou know people are going to
(33:43):
he's got to stop with thecatering if he wants to have any
kind of.
I mean, I just don't know howlong both sides are going to
tolerate this stuff.
I really don't, because the theleft, the left Catholics, they
don't want like a a ratchet backto the right at all.
(34:06):
They want the revolution tocontinue in the direction it was
going.
So I think they might get fedup.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Well, I I disagree If one thing we've seen about the
left, whether inside or outsideof the church, is that they're
willing to wait a century in thebackground until they feel they
, they can finally take powerRight.
So I mean, we've seen that inthe political sphere.
We've seen that when we sawthat in the church with francis,
(34:34):
they, you know- yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You know what, though , man?
We're not being calledbackwardists.
Rigid yeah oh, no, yeah, forsure like come on, man, this is
better than that.
Like I, I am like.
He even said he may usesynodality to discuss the
liturgy, which would be a prettyinteresting move.
(34:57):
Right, it's like Francisintroduces synodality Not that
he introduced it, it was a thingbefore that, but he took it in
this direction that nobody eversaw coming.
They thought that synodalitywas going to be their vehicle to
lurch the church furtherleftward, and they did under
francis.
But maybe leo can lurch it backto the right a little, using
(35:18):
the same process and going hey,I don't know, we're just a
listening church and the churchseems to be going this way
because the thing is the thechurch during the council, the
youth were very much behind thatrevolution and they wanted all
these changes.
It was a very youthful thing,but the youth now want tradition
.
So maybe the youth now this iswhat I don't get.
(35:42):
This is kind of like a hard onefor me to understand, because
the young people today, like thePope's planers and stuff, like
they are the youth.
If they want tradition, theyshould be making their case
known.
It's how, it's what they did inthe sixties and they got their
way.
Why would you not do the samething to try and get your way to
bring things back the other way.
(36:03):
Do it within the bounds of thechurch.
You don't go and cause schism,things like that, but you put
pressure to get what you want.
It worked for them, why wouldyou not use the same?
It's the same thing with usgoing now where people are
losing their jobs and they'regoing.
You heard about free speech.
Like we don't care about freespeech anymore.
Like stop thinking the rulesapply the same way they did
(36:27):
under John Paul II and Benedict.
They don't.
France has happened.
We're in a different place.
Now it's time to I'm not sayingbe disrespectful, but make your
, make your case known that youwant tradition.
Especially the young andfaithful catholics need to make
their, their position known totheir bishops, to their, their
priests, to everyone.
(36:48):
Don't just go along withnonsense because you want to be
obedient to the point of beingbeaten.
Make your case known to yourpriests and your bishops and let
it get back up to the top.
That the youth.
If you guys are concerned withwhat the youth want, we need to
have these listening synodsbecause we're concerned about
the youth.
The youth want tradition and ifthey hear that enough, I mean,
(37:10):
I don't know, maybe I'm justwishful thinking, but
something's got to givesomewhere.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, I think we got to wait for all the bad bishops
Well, not all the poor bishops,it's just a little nonsense.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
What?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Find the best parish you can and just wait it out,
guys, because things aren'tgoing to get better.
I guess, I don't know.
I mean I don't know, I think.
I think.
I mean we gotta remember we'vestill seen very little from Leo,
right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, nothing.
I tried to tell you guys fromthe beginning.
He's a boring pope.
He's a boring pope.
He's a boring Pope.
That's just what he's going tobe.
He's going to be a boring Popefrom Chicago is not going to
light stuff up.
I think it'd be a veryuneventful papacy guys.
That's all he's not.
(38:03):
I'm sorry, god.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Like you said, he's going to at least want to seem
like he's talking to both sides,and he's, he's not gonna, just
he's, he's.
He's not the type to throwfrancis under the bus even if he
feels like he wants to maybechange course a little.
He's gonna give it room you to,where it can be seen like
(38:32):
something else happened to causehim to want to change course,
instead of just be like nope,francis was wrong, we're doing a
different yeah, there's no way,I believe.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
If he could do it diplomatically, so be it, but do
it, you know.
But, mimi, you might not wantto send them our videos.
I don't know if that's a goodidea no, yeah, the last place I
want to be known is in theVatican.
We love Mimi, she's great.
It's interesting because itdoes seem like he wants to
(38:59):
ratchet it back.
It feels like he knows Franciswas a handful.
I think he senses that thechurch is on the verge of schism
.
I think he's doing everythinghe can to keep it together,
whereas Francis was like I maybe the Pope that causes the
schism and I'll go down inhistory for it.
And he almost bragged about it.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I think he also has a better sense that the world
itself is on a precipice, rightyeah.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Europe, just things in general.
The world itself is on aprecipice and I don't think he
wants to cause division in thechurch, even though I think
causing that division could healthe church, would then heal the
world.
But I think he sees itdifferent I think he does see it
different.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
He's a bit of a politician and I'll tell you
right now, you want to know,it's a more important issue than
the liturgy, even, oh boy,maybe not more important than
the literature, but it's a lotof people.
It's a more important issuethan the liturgy, even.
Oh boy, you're maybe not moreimportant than the literature,
but it's a lot of people it's onpar with the liturgy is a pope
who came out and spoke properlyabout immigration.
Like the world is falling apartbecause we are allowing
immigrants to flood into ournation and there's no cohesion
(40:04):
left in any of our countriesanymore.
Like if you got a pope whoactually spoke out and said
enough, we cannot continue theonslaught of the destruction of
Christian civilization.
That is immigration, ai.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I mean there's a lot of secular, not like, yeah, a
lot of secular things that Ithink the church needs to speak
on that are I don't know if Iwant to, like you said, I don't
know if I want to say moreimportant than the liturgy, but
yeah, I don't know if it's more.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, I want to, I want to.
I don't know if it's moreimportant than the liturgy, but
some of us obsess on the liturgyso much that we're missing some
things that are extremelyimportant, and I think
immigration is one of those,because I'm telling you, man,
I'm looking at our country andI'm like we talked about it the
(40:56):
other day, but when 9-11happened, we were like, oh,
we're a united America.
When this Charlie Kirk thinghappened, it was just division,
and part of that division isbecause you don't know who an
american is anymore, because yougot people pro.
You know people marching withmexican flags over here, people
with colombian flags over here,people with syrian flags over
here.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
This is a good way to describe it.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
It's not more important, but it is more
immediately yes, okay yeah, um,you have, you know, people with
the, with the, uh, the, the gaza, israel issue, all these things
that are just fracturing us,and christian civilization is
going to collapse and fall apartbecause there's no nothing to
(41:36):
unite us together anymore.
No, it did not start with theitalians.
It started with the irishstarted with the irish, started
with the reformation we'retalking about immigration
immigration it's not irish inthe 1860s.
It did start with them, butthere was still.
There's something differentabout the current immigration
(41:58):
process, man, because theimmigrants that are coming in
now don't want to assimilate andbecome american.
They're coming in and they wantto stay whatever country
they're coming from and theywant to make their area into
that and they don't want to bethere are neighborhoods called
little italy still I know wetalked about this the other day,
though where?
(42:20):
yes, they they want to beamerican.
There's a difference like likethey couldn't wait to join the
war during world war ii andfight for america yeah, near the
irish, I mean, granted, most ofthe irish unfortunately joined
the north.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
But, um, you know there's rumors that his first
encyclical is going to be isgoing to touch on, on, like
income inequality.
And I think a lot of us on theso-called right like have a a
reflexive, like knee kickreaction to things like that,
(42:57):
like, oh, like it's.
You know that's leftist, that'scommunist, socialist, whatever.
But if you really think aboutit, a lot of the the problem is
like like immigration.
Immigration is being driven bya new like technocratic elite
that has popped up right and inin our demographics are failing
(43:18):
and the that elite does not wanttheir profit margin to fail.
So what do they do?
They import mass amounts ofimmigrants from the third world
to prop up their profit margin.
So, even if say it is somethinglike income inequality, he
(43:39):
teaches on an encyclical first,I think we have to not have a
reflexive, like knee-jerkreaction to it and really like
try to you know well, read itand see what it says, because I
mean the Pope's talked about,you know, leo XIII talked about
that.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I don't think the encyclicals Leo puts out are
going to be anything like the.
The encyclicals leo puts outare going to be anything like
the francis encyclicals?
No, probably not.
I think they're going to bethoughtful and they're going to
be hard, but, like I, I thinkthey're going to be complex and
you're and the.
The problem is okay.
I was talking to my wife aboutthis today.
(44:21):
There's something in us nowwhere we think if one side
supports something, we have tobe the other.
Like if the left says this isgood, you have like this
reflexive reaction where youthink you have to be against it,
(44:41):
and I think that's going to bevery tricky under Leo.
It's the same thing with thisinterview.
Like everything in you wants tohandle it the way you handled
the Francis papacy and you wantto go in it and you want to
either be angry or you want tobe like you either want to be
like he's on our side or he's ontheir side.
He's on our side or he's ontheir side.
And maybe there's something towhat leo is doing.
(45:03):
Man.
Maybe there's something to justgoing look we're, we're, we're
in the church, man, like we're.
We're christian brothers andsisters, and if we don't learn
to speak to one another.
Like, if we don't learn tospeak to one another, we're
gonna get caught up in thiscivil war in our country.
That's coming Right.
But what if the right and leftgo to war and Catholics all
(45:25):
stuck together and didn'tpartake in the political aspect
of it and the Catholics werejust like, look, let them have
their political war.
We are children of God, we'regoing to do our thing.
Let them go to war and killeach other and let them do their
thing.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Like, honestly, if there's a way that that I don't
know if that's possible, butEspecially because any sort of
civil political violence likethat tends to just be incredibly
immoral on all sides.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah Right, that shows making fun of me.
I don't know.
I'm trying to.
I'm trying to not just jumpinto, I'm trying to not be
manipulated, because so much ofwhat we're going through right
now is we're all manipulatedthis is a good point and I think
(46:16):
we've seen some good, um goodchange on this.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
So conservationalism, like under like, say, teddy
roosevelt not that he it was agreat or perfect guy, but you
know legitimate, like takingcare of nature as its stewards,
using it, of course, for what wecan use it for, but not just
destroying it, but really takingcare of it, was always a a
principle of, of reallyconservatism.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
I mean um, it was about started the national park
system because he saw americansgoing west and he was like whoa,
we better conserve some of thisstuff so that future
generations get to go and seemaybe he saw all the chinese
immigrants coming in and waslike no, no, no, but anyways, um
, but yeah.
Then the left took it andperverted it into
(47:03):
environmentalismenvironmentalism and and and
carbon dioxide and all thatstuff, like all that stuff is
nonsense.
But no, you, you actually youlike you absolutely should see
it as a christian virtue ormaybe not a virtue but a
christian principle to care forthe environment in which you
live and care to make sure youdon't pollute the world that God
has given to us.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
And just recently, when the Trump administration
was planning on selling millionsof acres of federal land, of
Bureau land management land outWest, you had a strong
conservative response to it thatended up stopping it in its
tracks.
So it's nice to seeconservatives coming around on
some issues that really shouldbe conservative sort of issues
(47:51):
um, yeah, look, I mean that'sthis.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
the problem is, like under laudato, si Francis
adopted the craziness of theleft, like in that document, he
allowed Jeffrey Sachs to writeit.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
You know what I mean.
So yeah, that was bonkers, butconserving the like for caring
for your, the place you live,and not wanting your children to
have polluted water and thingslike that.
There's not to want to conservethe fish population so that you
you know you don't you haveyour children will be able to
fish the waters where you live.
(48:30):
Things like that.
Like that is a veryconservative Christian principle
, so it's.
It's just all these topics havebeen so, so muddied by politics
and revolution and Marxism andthings like that.
It's just what did Jake sayhere?
I got to keep the.
(48:51):
I read Pachendi once and nowI'm the expert on heresy dummies
out of the TLC.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
It comes from this one.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
There should be an IQ test for becoming a trad.
Yeah, I'm very concerned aboutfish now.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Okaybi petris settle down with the iq test bud um, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
I like I want to conserve the fish but I want to
kill all the stupid raccoonstrash.
I'm totally fine with raccoonsgoing extinct trash pandas um,
they're mean, they are, yeah,vicious.
Um trads for kamala.
Yeah, look, all right, all Ican tell you is um, it's hard
(49:35):
for me to flesh my thoughts outon this when I'm exhausted and I
have to go to work in a fewhours I did want to jump on and
talk about a little bit too.
I really couldn't believe we arethe first content creators to
discuss this, though.
There was no taylor marshallvideo on this today.
There was no tim gordon videoon this today.
There was no.
Uh, like I didn't.
(49:57):
Even even anthony stein missedit, because the news came out
after he had done his show.
Like all the typical guys youwould see doing this didn't do
it.
We're pretty much the first todo it and nobody cares.
There's 300 people watching.
It is strapped.
Look, here's what I'll say.
(50:17):
I think Trad Inc is dying Likethe Tradosphere.
Tradistan is dying.
There isn't the same fervor forthis kind of news anymore.
When I pointed out that therewas only like 2000 views on some
(50:41):
of these people interview clipsat first, I was like really,
I'm like what the heck is this?
It was almost like until Itweeted about it, nobody even
knew they were up.
But it's because the CharlieKirk story was so big that
nothing else could creep throughRight.
So they.
They released these videos theday after Charlie gets shot and
(51:01):
nothing could creep through thesound barrier where the Charlie
Kirk story was all anybodywanted to hear about.
So this is our first endeavorto discuss something other than
Charlie or news surroundingCharlie in a week and I don't
know if people are ready toleave that story yet.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Judging from the views so far, no.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
It seems not.
It seems like all people wantis their Charlie Kirk updates.
But we do have to get on toother things, and a papal
interview with the firstAmerican pope is kind of a big
deal, and especially if it'ssignaling towards some
concessions and maybe a slightrelief of some of the stuff that
(51:44):
we endured under Francis.
Now, look you have, you'regoing to have your um.
You're you're going to haveyour um like hardcore trads that
are just fed up and they'rejust they're going to.
I think they're going to makethe mistake of trying to treat
Leo like Francis, and I don'tthink people have an appetite
(52:04):
for it anymore.
I just don't think there's alot of people who did this, who
were very successful underFrancis and they made their
bones during that papacy becauseeverybody was shocked.
I'm like what the heck?
What is going on?
But I don't think people, likeall content creators, need to
(52:25):
learn how to adapt.
Right now, things are changing.
Things are changing drastically.
I don't know, I don't knowwhere the wind is blowing at the
moment.
I just know the thing that thatwas, that was the thing of the
moment three, four years ago, isnot anymore.
So we all need to figure outwhat we're going to do and how
(52:46):
we're going to keep the churchtogether.
Because I don't know, I don'tknow, there's there's not much
like I don't know.
I don't know if it's just somuch dilution from so many
people doing this, but there's,there's definitely something
going on right now where peopletheir, their interests are
changing and they just kind ofyou know, you get, you get
fatigued from hearing the samestuff over and over.
(53:07):
It's easy to be militant whenfrancis clearly hated us.
It's difficult to have thatenergy towards leo because he
doesn't hate us.
Yeah, and I'm not going to be, Imean, although I am drinking
out of my set of a contest cuptonight literally is my uh, the
Catholic family news pack on myCatholic family podcast, which
(53:29):
is, uh, kevin, over, uh over, aCatholic family podcast.
They sent me a mug after I didthe conversation with Nova, sort
of watch.
I'm drinking my set of acontest mug, but I am not a set
of a contest.
I'm drinking my set of acontest mug, but I am not a set
of a contest.
I'm not.
I'm not leaving the church.
I don't think Leo's an anti-Pope, like I don't know, and and the
guys that you know, some guys Ireally respect are, or they,
(53:52):
you know.
They may think I'm being acoward.
I'm not.
I don't.
I don't know the answers to alot of this stuff, but, uh, I
know the answers to a lot ofthis stuff, but I'm not leaving
the bosom of the church becausethe last time I did that, I
ended up like Steve Skojak justto bring things back to the
beginning.
I went through that phase whereI got fed up and I left, and I
know what happened in my life.
I know the Catholic churchstill provides the sacraments
(54:16):
and they are the real sacraments, because I experienced the
grace of those sacraments in mylife daily.
It saved.
It saved my marriage, it savedmy life, so I'm not going
anywhere.
Um, and I'm I'm kind of at apoint where I don't want to be a
pope basher, just because Idon't.
I don't think any catholicshould want to do that, and the
guys that are like all the trads, trad inc.
(54:39):
Needs to apologize.
Leo's clearly doing that.
I'm glad they didn't put me inthat mix because I've never been
a trad ink guy.
I've never been one of thoseguys to begin with.
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I don't know what I am, to be honest I'm just trying
to say that doesn't even tellpeople's real name, so whatever
I'm.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I'm just saying I don't know what I am.
I know I I I just want to be afaithful catholic and I want to
be a good dad and a good husbandand, uh, I want to try to
figure out how we're going topresent the faith to our
audience in a proper way.
I want to keep people in thechurch and I want to keep people
on fire for the faith and onfire for christ, and we're going
(55:18):
to have to figure out how to dothat because it's we don't have
the same atmosphere we didunder francis.
It's just different now.
So we're gonna, you know, we'regonna iron out some kinks as
the show goes on and we're gonnahope you guys stay for the ride
with us.
I think he means you're hisfavorite ethnic.
Ethnic, yeah, I appreciate thatI'm glad you guys have a little
room for uh we do have a couplethings.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I want to mention one .
Apparently, lofton is tellinghis audience to report us, so
should we play that clip?
I texted it to you, it's, and Itweeted it today well, that,
and wagner tweeted or texted tome too, so um, yeah let me pull
that up real quick, like give mea second, okay, okay.
(56:08):
So this is a fun little clipeveryone yeah, if you guys
didn't see this again.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Keep this stuff in mind.
This is the source, is thecrowd.
This is the type of peoplewhere this kind of stuff is
coming from, and they can nevershow you any kind of screenshot
where I'm mocking Charlie oranything.
All they can do is twist.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
But to be fair, lofton, we actually did, and
then you deleted it.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
You deleted that comment.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Words, take context and then put some spin on it and
just hope and trust that peoplewon't do due diligence and look
into the matter.
So you know, if y'all want togo and report these channels,
report these people for hatespeech or harassment, you know
what that probably is a goodidea.
You know what that probably isa good idea.
(57:00):
I would probably reportscholastic answers.
Cleave to antiquity Sam ShamoonAnthony from avoiding Babylon
any of those guys, because thefeeling is defamatory.
In reality, I could sue thesepeople for death.
Wear my shirt and drag themthrough that.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Rob, I'm sorry, I feel bad.
You got left out.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
man, I always get left out of these.
I'm sorry, feel bad.
You got left out.
Man always get left out of theI'm sorry, man, you got left out
.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
But do be aware, no one starts wars with me, no one
threatens to sue me.
It's always you I.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
You know I feel bad.
You got left out.
You want to know what'sinteresting.
Like I've never said anythingdefamatory about lofton, ever,
ever Like.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
I've never even played the furry clip of him.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
I didn't play that.
That was your.
That was your.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Oh good.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
The like, and I haven't really talked about him
in a long time Like I, we did it.
I did the one video about himto start because he was telling
me I'm going to hell and allthis stuff, like that was, it
was, but I never like what whatWagner did.
I can understand him being alittle upset about, but like
I've never even dug into hispersonal life or anything like
(58:10):
that we we've got.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Let's see, there was, we did the video ones and
called him big man with a littlebeard.
We did the video when, uh, witha little beard.
We did the video when, uh,father chiron tore him a new one
.
Um, so we comment when otherpeople rip him a new one.
We really, uh, don't do much tohim.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
I I I commented on his ability to maintain
relationships, but I mean, look,we're gonna.
We're going to discuss thiswith wagner on monday.
Um listen, the funny thing is,I am way more diplomatic than
rob is, and I hope you guys havepicked up on that over the.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
I'm currently locked on twitter right now you.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
So okay, so I will, I will want to touch on a subject
and I'll I'll try to dancearound it and like skirt around
it without like burning thebridge or something like that,
and then rob will just come outand just go yeah, this is what I
think I'm like.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Oh no, like there goes that relationship oh, kind
of like what I did with uh thatsomeone in locals last time that
he has that.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
Like I was trying to just address, like you know, a
particular topic about it andyou were just like just said
something about him, like oh boy, here we go, um, yeah, I'm
pretty bad on locals.
You say it with nuance.
No, it's rob's demeanor.
He's very calm and like, likehe's very soft-spoken when he
(59:45):
says it.
So people think he's very,they're very, they underestimate
his, his brutal nature.
I don't, I don't think bourbonrob all that often, apparently.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah, um so, all right, we are the other thing, I
.
So I brought that up because ifhe is going to people report us
, it'd be helpful if you guysdid the opposite and, like,
shared us also.
Um, I'm sure you've heard thison other youtube channels, but
in case you haven't, apparentlythey added a new restricted mode
(01:00:16):
that is sometimes on by defaultfor people in their settings.
So if you go up to Settings andI don't know where exactly,
you'll have to search for it,but there's a restricted mode
and it will automatically filteranything it thinks is adult
content, which, on some of thesubjects we talk about, it could
(01:00:36):
easily filter things out ifthat's on.
So check your YouTube settings,make sure that's not turned on,
because it could be filteringout a lot of the stuff you're
used to seeing on YouTubeincluding us, cause we're so
we're so restricted.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
But all right, we do have to wrap this one up.
I have to go and get to sleepand I have to leave for work in
four and a half hours.
So it was fun hanging with youguys tonight.
No, so it was fun hanging withyou guys tonight.
No local show tonight, but ifyou guys do like us, we do do an
awful lot over on locals, soplease subscribe to us over
there.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Next week's going to be a little different.
Monday we're going to bestreaming with Wagner, so the
Guns and Rosary show that wouldhave been on Monday is going to
be on Tuesday.
Normal show on Monday, and thenlet's.
Oh boy, what if Ripper says yesto Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
No, no, no, he's not doing Tuesday.
No, no, no, oh, that's theother thing.
Okay, we have a huge FatherRipper interview coming up.
Was it confirmed?
The date is not, the interviewis, so we know who we're getting
him.
We're trying to hammer out thedate.
We're going to discuss and thiswas all, rob perfect topic.
(01:01:44):
Rob wants to discuss, like, theoccult connection to these
anarchic trans groups.
Um and what?
What was, what was the?
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
one of ripperger's um big series that that is very
popular is he did like afour-hour series on communism
the connection between the,between the diabolic and
communism, like how, how theyoperate the same, how they use
the same tactics, and I thinkinterviewing him and kind of
updating a little from communism, which still exists in the
(01:02:19):
world but seems to have reallymorphed into this, um,
anarchistic, uh accelerationists, like gay trans, you know,
groups sort of things, um, Ithink having him talk about that
would be really cool, becausethese groups have been involved
with the shooting, um I thinkwe're going to probably find
(01:02:39):
that might be involved with thisalleged shooter of Charlie Kirk
.
These groups are involved in alot more stuff than I think
people realize and it does seemjust so satanic in nature and
I'd love to get his opinion onthat.
Wait, wait, wait.
Kevin James is Catholic.
Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I just heard this.
This is crazy, I can't believe.
Somebody just said this theother day.
I couldn't believe it.
I was blown away.
I'm hoping another Rippergerinterview will maybe facilitate
that.
We'll see.
Alright, guys, we're going towrap this up.
Thank you all for joining us.
Please go join our locals.
That is how we pay the bills.
We'll see you guys Monday night.
(01:03:53):
Thank you.
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