Pressure Mounts on Pope Leo from Trads and Modernists

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Speaker 2 (00:10):
this sounds absolutely insane and I'm aware
of how this sounds, but I thinkthe dragons are basically
leftover dinosaurs.
I don't think the dinosaurswere wiped out with the flood.
I think the dinosaurs werebasically giant creatures that
had lived for hundreds of yearsyou could potentially come to
the same conclusion we thoughtthat would be good for michael I

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was like this looks a littledifferent

Speaker 3 (00:40):
we have, uh, our friend taffy does.
He does them like based on whatthe episode will be about that
night and he'll always have likea reference for what we're
going to talk about and he mixesit in with our intro and he
puts it he's brilliant and oneday we're going to be big enough
that we can actually pay himfor the work he does for us.
But right now, all we can do isoffer him to tell everybody go

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follow him on Twitter.
What's his actual Twitterhandle?

Speaker 6 (01:07):
It's Taffy Tumult right.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
All right, yeah, we'll find that at some point.
Michael Hichborn, it has been awhile since we have spoken.
I was kind of excited to getyou on today.
I wanted to get you on.
Last week, while you were downin San Antonio, you were up to
some wild stuff down there.
What was happening down there?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah.
So the association of usCatholic priests and
organization that I've beenharassing now for 10 years.
Um, there are a bunch ofheretics.
They push women's ordination,LGBT nonsense.
They want to create thisprogram of priestless parishes
where, oh goodness, we have apriest shortage.
So what do we?

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How do we fix that?
Well, the answer is to have onepriest tend to like eight
parishes, travel to thosedifferent parishes over the
course of a month or two,confect a whole bunch of
Eucharists, treat the tabernaclelike a refrigerator, and then,
once he does that in one parish,he can move on to the, to the
series of other parishes fromweek to week.
And then, once he does that inone parish, he can move on to
the series of other parishesfrom week to week.

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And in the meantime, we'll justhave local lay pastoral leaders
lead Eucharistic prayersessions on Sundays to fulfill
Sunday obligations, and that waywe'll handle the priest crisis.
So these people, they want toreduce the priesthood to a lay

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participation thing, becausewe're all a community of
believers, right?
That's all we are, and priestis basically the presider of
this community of believers, Ofthis community of believers.
So that's, that's what theywant to do.
That's it's.
It's a bunch of nonsense.
Anyway, I have here theirprogram book.
Now my green screen is coveringup the this part's green.
You can't really.

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It looks invisible but it's not.
It's not invisible, it's green.
But this is the title of theirconference for this year
Sexuality and spiritualityityPastoral Approaches.
And let me tell you they hadsome really crazy stuff going on

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at this particular conference.
Let me see they had a 9.45 am.
They had Dr Jennifer Besttalking about grounding
sexuality in love and justice.
And then they had that eveningsome sort of colloquium on

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different sexual orientations.
Dr Todd Salzman talked to themabout new pastoral methods,
including include methodological, anthropological and

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ecclesiastical developments, andthat was, of course, all in in
regard to sexuality and humansexuality and transgenderism,
and you know all that nonsense.
So it's that that's effectivelywhat the conference was, but
let me show you some of the swagthat I collected, because I
like collecting swag.
It's fun.
We got this.
Who would, jesus?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
exclude Well, the gays, for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
How about the goats?
You know, Jesus said he wasgoing to separate the goats from
the lambs.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Is that another name for Italians?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, Italians.
Yes, he said he would separatethe goats.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I love it because usually Rob peppers in his
anti-Italian bigotry here andthere throughout the show, but
his mic doesn't work.
Great, great.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
So but but our Lord talked.
He spoke regularly aboutcasting certain you know things,
whether it was the wheat andthe chaff, or he was talking
about the, the, the wheat andthe tares, or he was talking
about the sheep and the goats.
This is a good question.
How many people attended this?
There were 150 people at thisparticular conference and the

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AUSCP boasts a membership ofabout 1,500 to 1,800 members.
But you got to remember theseguys have Bishop Stowe as a
member.
He's the Bishop of Lexington.
They've got Archbishop JohnWester is their Episcopal
moderator, he's the Archbishopof Santa Fe, and they've had

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people like Cardinal McElroy,cardinal Cupich, cardinal Wilton
Gregory, archbishop RobertCarlson, bishop Pates.
All of them have participatedto some degree or other in their
events.
So it's a huge problem becausethey're Episcopal cover.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I was going to say like it's not, like it could be
like one of these crazy groupsthat you just write off, like
the people for the ordination ofwomen catholic women priests or
something like that.
But no, you said the.
The archbishop of san antoniosaid mass for them.
Right.
Like yeah, that's right, likethis is nuts uh, archbishop

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gustavo siller said mass forthem.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Now I saw somebody comment said that a gay priest
tried to pick up Hitchborn.
It's true, I sat down and I wasjust because it was at the
Drury Hotel.
Ok, the Drury, which is a greathotel chain.
They have a happy hour whereyou get a little punch card and
you get three drinks in theevening Gratis.

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It's wrapped into your hotelbill and they serve dinner too.
I mean, how often do you getdinners at a hotel stay?
So it's it's great hotel chain.
I really enjoyed it.
So I went down for happy hourbecause I knew all the priests
would be down there and what Iwould do.
They had the the bar on twodifferent levels.
There's a promenade in theshape of a horseshoe and at the

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end of each horseshoe was alittle bar where you could go
and get a drink.
Kale Zeldin says dang three.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, three, that is a nice three.
I'm on my third now.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah.
So I went to one and I wouldget a drink and then I would
just kind of wander, sit down,finish my drink, then go to the
other, get a drink and and sitdown and get a third drink.
And this way I was kind ofgetting a sense, a lay of the
land.
I was seeing who was there, Iwas reading name tags, so you

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know, just a way of kind ofbeing aware of who's there and
what they're doing, what they're.
You know, I'm listening in.
What are they talking about,that kind of stuff.
And I'm sitting there, I'm bymyself at a chair, it's.
It's a high table, two chairs,and I'm I'm having a drink and
this short man, uh, rounds thecorner and he sits there and he

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starts staring at me and Ithought that was very strange
and I didn't look up.
I just sat there and I wasdrinking and I had my phone, so
I was perusing my phone and hekept.
It's like you could feel theeyeballs on your forehead.
So I finally I looked up and hesmiled at me and he, he started

(08:22):
talking, just just startedtalking just about whatever.
And he asked me my name.
I said Michael.
He said oh okay, are you herefor the conference.
I said oh yeah, I'm here forthe conference.
Well, so I won't lie.
But what I did?
I said conference and he saidoh yes, there's a priest's

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conference going on here.
I said, and he said oh yes,there's a priest's conference
going on here.
I said, oh really, well, what'sit about?
and I just let him talk, yeahand you know you get a lot more
if you just play coy, and that'sall I did.
I just played coy, let him talk, and he was in line to get a
drink and and he just kepttalking and talking.
And then he was like, well, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm up, now I'm
going to.
Is there anybody sitting here?

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I said no, so he came backaround and he sat down and he
just kept talking and every oncein a while he would pepper in
something about, well, you know,donald Trump, he, he wouldn't
approve of, cause he was talkingabout his nephew getting
married and said Donald Trumpwouldn't approve of.
You know some, some of thedancing.
I said, why not?

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And he said well, you know, forsomeone like Donald Trump, only
men with women.
I said, oh, okay, and you know,here I am playing dumb, right,
it goes over my head.
And so then he goes on.
And then he says something else, because I said, oh, where are

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you from?
He goes oh, I'm up in new york.
And he said he, he works inhell's kitchen.
And I said, oh, that soundspretty awful.
And he then started.
He said, oh, no, it's, it'sactually quite posh.
He said you know, it used to bethat the village was the place
to go, but now it's.
It's hell's kitchen, and and hesaid something about the gay
element and it's like he wouldjust drop little things in there

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every once in a while.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Gay, this gay that you think he thought you might
have been gay.
I mean, you do dress very nice,michael.
Your hair is perfectly coiffed,you could probably pull it off.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I don't have the lisp or the wall that is true yeah
and have you ever noticed.
There's something about the waythey smile.
It's it's like they dosomething with their lips and
it's it's like I can't curl mylips the way a serpent does, so
I can't quite pull it off, butthey do.
The pictures of james martinare probably the best example of

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what you expect a gay guy tolook like, oh man, but anyway.
So he starts talking to me andhe's, you know, trying to get
anyway.
So after a little while becauseI I was just like, well, how do
I get get rid of this guy?
Because I didn't really want totalk to him, I will.
I wanted to get up and getanother drink, so I started
talking about my eight kids andthen I started talking about my

(11:01):
wife, and it wasn't long afterthat that he excus, excused
himself.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, I would imagine .

Speaker 2 (11:05):
So he's like oh wait this guy's actually Catholic.
Yeah.
So he, uh, he got up and left.
Well, the next day, as I wasdoing the same thing making my
rounds, he walks by and 100%thought he was gay, thanks.
So he walks by and he goeswhat's your name really?

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I said I told you yesterday,michael, and he said well, are
you the spokesman for some kindof organization?
I said yeah, I run the LepantoInstitute.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Oh, the word got out.
Somebody snitched on you yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well, you know, don't don't repeat this, but you know
, yesterday when I sat down andtalked to you, somebody
approached me and said you knowyou're drinking with the enemy,
right?
So I said the enemy.
I said, father, I'm here topray for you, and he then

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started trying to make excuses.
I said well, you know, we haveto be very clear about what the
church teaches with regard todoctrine.
And he said oh, we're notdenying doctrine.
I said uh-huh.
I said we also need to be veryclear about what the church
teaches morality.
And he said well, you need tounderstand how to understand

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doctrine so that you canunderstand morality.
And I said it's always beenvery clear to me.
But yeah, that was kind of howthat conversation went.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
We got to send you in with a wire next time, just to
record some of theseconversations.
It's just, it's man.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Yeah, it's here.
To even get my microphone towork here.
How is the wire gonna?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
right, yeah, you know , with my luck the devil would
interfere with all theelectronics.
Anyway, it's like I touchsomething electronic and it
breaks.
So this, this kind of look.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
This kind of does lead into a few different
conversations I wanted to havetonight.
Um, I kind of um, like weobviously are going to talk
about um, just because I I sawmike lewis put out an article.
Um, where is that?

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Do I have?
Okay, so will pope leo take onthe traditionalists?
So it's like all of this iskind of connected right, like
we're still because some theseorganizations kind of were able
to run roughshod over the churchunder Francis and we're all
wondering what Leo is going todo.
And I'm like the the idea thatthis archbishop went and said

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mass at this organization, thethe the fact that we had the
other day, a bishop come out andactually say something against
a priest who denied communion toa politician in the UK.
Like we kind of just have thiswatered down version of
catholicism that we're alldealing with now, and I wanted

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to actually play a clip from timgordon, does this sound better?

Speaker 5 (14:12):
yes, you're on.
I didn't do a single thing.
I don't know what happened.
How did that work?
Demons, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Demons, yeah everybody's saying I need
another, or italians, um.
So I want to.
I want to play the tim gordonclip, because this is this is a.
This is a theme we've discussedon this show for a very long
time, but I never heard itarticulated as well as gordon
did, and it's a.
It's a one minute clip.
He was on with elijah shafferand it had to do with.

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It has to do with liturgy, ithas to do with, like, how we
practice the Catholic faith andthings like that, and I think
it's a good way to lead intothis conversation.
This show is going to be allover the place, guys.
So I know what the title says,but just bear with us.
It's Thursday night, I'm off.
Tomorrow I'm drinking.
We're going to be all over theplace.
So, but, rob, let's pull up theGordon clip.

(15:04):
We'll play that.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
Our Lord set up Christianity to be a religion
because he knows that withoutthe baselines of religion,
protestantism ironically lacksthis.
Even though they're legitimateChristians, they lack some of
the baseline elements of naturalreligion that even the pagan
Greeks had, and I'm not tryingto be insulting.
But there has to be asacerdotal class, a class of
priests.
There has to be sacrifice insacrament we can't hear you now,

(15:31):
rob did you record this on 1.5?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I, he did, I didn't okay.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Huh, yeah, I didn't yeah, this is tim gordon's clip
that he posted.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
He probably sped it up because he I didn't.
Okay, huh, yeah, I didn't.
This is a clip.
Put him on cocaine in this cliptalking about that.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, this is Tim Gordon's clip that he posted.
He probably sped it up becausehe wanted to get it in in a
minute.
Yeah, because people'sattention span is so short.
Yeah, I'll rewind a little.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
But there has to be a sacerdotal class, a class of
priests.
There has to be sacrifice andsacrament.
You know blood sacrificesacrament.
There has to be precepts, withwhat Sarah said in her answer.
There has to be stuff you haveto do every day.
There has to be sacramentals,little things like prayer beads.
Several world religions havethose, because this corresponds
with something fundamental in us, with man's nature, and we know
that if it's just a Jesusloving book club, which is what
really compared to orthodoxy orCatholicism, Protestantism feels

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a lot like it's just a bookclub and hey, we dig Jesus.
There's not enough left for youto do.
I don't know if you ever getanxious or anyone out there in
your audience, or if you've everaddressed anxiety ways to avoid
it.

Speaker 8 (16:26):
We were talking about tonight.

Speaker 7 (16:28):
You're just saying why you went and worked out in
between the show we shot earlierand now.
If I don't do enough in the day, I get anxious.
Yeah, that's the problem.
There's a fundamentalKierkegaardian anxiety endemic
to Protestantism, becausethere's where a human being, man
or woman, wants to do certainthings that correspond with even
natural religion.
Roman Catholicism has them all.
Orthodoxy has most of these,because they're very similar.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
You can pause it there.
I kind of just wanted to get tothat idea of how God really did
make us to be liturgical beings,like man was made for worship
right, and what's been happeningin the church over the past 70
years since they did change theliturgy and you can see it

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playing out even in the Catholicapologetic sphere.
Mike Pantile put out a videoabout this the other day, saying
how, like all these converts,they come in, they learn all
this stuff, they get superexcited about the faith and then
right away they want to diveinto becoming apologists after
they just came into the church,like a year ago, you know, and
it's like you didn't actuallyget any chance to live out the

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practice of the faith.
There's something about beingprotestant where everything is
just this intellectual ascentand I think because of
protestantism like what whatcatholic answers provided was
very needed, becauseProtestantism was stealing tons
and tons of Catholics becausethey would come out and they'd

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whip out the Bible and they andCatholics were so used to like
having a praxis, a way that theylived out the faith, that they
weren't always known for readingtheir Bible, because it was
more than that, it was a way oflife to be Catholic.
So once they started changingthose things and making it into
a more Protestantized liturgy,you now have this Protestantized

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liturgy without the Biblebehind it, and everything just
becomes like this intellectualascent.
And I think that's actuallyhappening in the church right
now, where so many Catholics arejust saying, well, this is what
the church teaches or this ishow this works, and not enough
of us are actually living outthe faith and doing.
I mean, yeah, we all, you knowwe may pray the rosary and

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things like that, but there wassomething to the way medieval
Catholicism worked, where all ofthe feast days were intertwined
so perfectly and it was like away of life that we are just
completely lacking now.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right?
Well, there's a cognitivedissonance between the way that
the church lives in in hercultures and the way that the
church lives in her sacramentsand her sacramental life.
We have split the two.
The two have been bifurcatednow and are separate, and
instead of having our cultureintegrated with the church, now
we're trying to make the churchcultural.

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This is why they're talkingabout creating an Amazonian
right.
This is why they're talkingabout integrating indigenous
people's practices.
This is why we're now talkingabout having a right of creation
or a mass of the care ofcreation.
A right of creation or a massof the care of creation.
Why?
Because we've gotten rid of thecustomary life of the church,

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and once you get rid of hercustoms, now you have to replace
it, you have to fill it withsomething else.
So I mean, look, I'll show yousomething that I got from one of
the swag tables.
Okay, this is from Voice of thefaithful, which is a partner of
the AUSCP.
Keep the faith, change thechurch, and that's what they
want to do.

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That's what these hard leftistswant to do to the church.
They want to allegedly keep thedoctrines and keep the
sacraments, but they want tochange them.
They want to change the waythat we approach them.
They want to change ourunderstanding of them, one of
the things that we have done,you know.
You mentioned that there's aproblem now with this priest.

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It's not a problem for thefaithful, it's a problem for
this bishop, but this priestdenied, or said he would deny,
holy Communion to thesepro-abortion politicians yeah,
pro-euthanasia politicians andthese bishops seem to think
that's awful, but they've lost asense of what the faith is,

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because if you know who thesacrament is, then you know.
It's like I used to tell myfriends when we were in high
school if you're talking about arelationship instead of having
one, then you have neither.
Yeah, you don't have arelationship.
So you have a relationship notby talking about it, but by
living it.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
And experiencing it Right.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
How do you live a relationship?
I mean, if you have a problemwith your wife, obviously you're
going to bring it to herattention, you're going to talk
it out, but you're not going totalk about the nature of your
marriage.
Your marriage is what it is.
But you're going to say youknow, dear, it hurts me when you
say this, or I would like toknow how I can help you, how can

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I make things better for you?
But if you're sitting theresaying, well, we need to talk
about our marriage, we need totalk about how, I mean, what are
you going to do?
You're going to send your wifeinto a conniption because she's
going to wonder, she's going tothink something is terribly,
terribly wrong.
The same is true for thesacraments.
We have to approach the blessedsacrament, our blessed Lord in

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the Eucharist, as a person, as awho.
When we approach him, we aresaying Lord, I love you, I wish
to be with you, I wish to fillmy life with your life and live
your life through my life.
And how do I do that?
I do that by giving myselfcompletely over to you in this
blessed sacrament.
But when they say that, denyingthe sacrament to somebody who
has betrayed our Lord throughmortal sin is now somehow a

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horrible thing.
Well, how do you think yourwife would feel if you
approached her for the marriagebed after she just found out
that you cheated on her?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's a terrible thing.
You wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's basically what is happening too
right.
Yeah, that's basically what ishappening too right.
That's what sin is.
You're essentially like Godalways described idol worship in
the Old Testament as adultery.
So that's essentially whatyou're doing.
I've been having this back andforth with this Catholic convert
.
I know his name's Eric.

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I forgot his last name, ericMcCabe.
Eric McCabe, yeah, like he getsvery annoyed with me when I
talk about the Latin mass, right, and it's like I know we've had
this conversation a hundredtimes.
But there's something about thepeople that are arguing for on
behalf of the Novus Ordo.

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It's like you're arguing andsaying, like jesus is really
present and I agree with thatlike, yes, jesus is really
present.
But there's something to thisthat's just like an intellectual
ascent more than like a livingit out, like a liturgy, like the
church developed this liturgyover 2 000 years and likeed it,

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and then to just revamp thewhole thing overnight and throw
everybody into into a like atailspin and try to figure it
all out, and it has all theseProtestant elements to it and
now it's yes, it is the mass andyes, it is still the sacrifice
of Calvary, but but there'ssomething.
There's something about like somuch of of the, because the,

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the way you're worshiping,actually has an effect on you.
It's not just and it's not justlike an intellectual effect,
like it's something about yourwhole being.
I think it's.
It's something that Iexperienced myself by, like, by
really going to a Latin mass.
So I don't know what Leo isgoing to do, but he has to

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intervene at this point.
We're seeing this get tornapart again and I'm just
watching Catholicism becomeProtestantism, with different
arguments.
It's lived out as if it'sProtestantism but we
Protestantism with differentarguments.
Like it's lived out as if it'sProtestantism, but we just have
the right arguments.
And it's the same thing as justsaying well, I've accepted
Jesus as my personal Lord andSavior.
Well, I go to mass on Sundayand I believe the right set of

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those right set of propositions.
It's almost like being saved bya set of magic words instead of
being saved, because you'reliving out this faith and you're
becoming a saint through it.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, and that's really kind of the essence of
the problem when you and this iswhy I've and I've said this
before and I'll it bearsrepeating there's a reason why
we have to understand everythingin the world right now through
a proper understanding ofGenesis.
You can't understand thepassion without understanding

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the fall, and you can'tunderstand what's going on in
the world today withoutunderstanding what happened with
the flood and with the fall ofBabel.
Okay, what happened at Babel?
Our Lord saw that man had grownarrogant and said that we will
find our own way to heaven.
We'll build a tower and we'llget up to the heavens, and we'll

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get to the heavens.
That way, we don't need God.
Effectively.
This is the story ofFreemasonry.
By the way, this is what theFreemasons believe.
They believe in a naturalisticreligion where we can act and
build our way towards heaven.
We don't need the religion thatis established by God.
And so all this pantheism andthis syncretism that we see in

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the church right now is a directresult of that Masonic ideology
.
It is a reflection directly areflection of what happened with
the Tower of Babel, only in theinverse.
So what happened at Babel?
You had all these peopleworking together.
They shared a common tongue,they shared a common ideology,

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they shared a common culture andthey started building this
tower.
And God said you know what, ifI don't intervene here and
confuse their tongues, they'regoing to be capable of doing
anything they want.
So he came down, he confusedtheir tongues.
They're going to be capable ofdoing anything they want.
So he came down, he confusedtheir language and they
dispersed throughout the world.
What happened after the SecondVatican Council?
They did away with Latin.

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So here we have the ivory towerof the church, where man is
brought together with the towerthat leads to heaven.
Okay, we share a commonlanguage, we share a common
culture.
In the mass, in the church, allof those things are shared.
And the second Vatican councilturned right around and said bop

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, we're going to smite yourtongue and disperse your
languages.
And then, on top of that,because now we have the
vernacular mass all over theplace and local customs now
finding their way into thechurch, you're seeing that there
is a disintegration of localcultures and local Catholic
communities and we're not united.

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We're finding our unicitycompletely attacked because of
what happened at the SecondVatican Council.
Well, as a result of this, Ishouldn't say at the second
Vatican council.
Well, I, as a result of this Ishouldn't say because the second
Vatican council actually saidto retain the Latin, but they're
going against it and, as aresult, now we have this
dispersion of religions or thisdispersion of beliefs, this

(27:38):
dispersion of language, andwe're not united.
And it's only getting worsewith these constant revisions
that we're seeing.
I mean, we've got what?
Now?
The fourth or fifth revision ofthe revision, when, prior to
this, prior to the 20th century,we've effectively had the same
exact mass unchanged for 1,500years.

(28:00):
But now, all of a sudden, weneed to make all these changes.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Jeff, stay here, don't leave, yet I want to
actually bring some.
So Jeff tweeted something today.
Rob, do you see my tweet thatsays what is almost as
incredible as the image?
I put it in the.
I put it in the click on thatand I that's a quote tweet.
Go down to Jeff's tweet that Iquote tweeted and I want to play
this little little story andthen I want to go to what I

(28:26):
tweeted after that.
So go, okay, so let's play this.
So Jeff tweeted this today andjust look at this story, right,
and then the Lady of Las Lajas.
Yes, In Columbia right Now.
What we're talking about iswhat the church did through the
centuries, what it inspired,right, so let's play this quick

(28:50):
video and then see what thisimage inspired.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Image before you was found on a rock between Colombia
and Ecuador, and what hasbaffled modern scientists is how
the image is on the rock,meaning there is no paint,
there's no dye, there's nopigment, there's no primer,

(29:15):
there's no chemical on the rockto create such an image.
How is the image on?
And that's what they can'tfigure out.
In fact, it's the rock itself,is the image.
When geologists drilled intothe rock three feet, they find
the image is still there.

(29:36):
So the image is the rock itself.
That's why it's so fascinating.
It was found in the jungles ofColombia in 1754.
How is it possible that sometype of paint or pigment has
survived 300 years?
So in 1754, there is a woman bythe name of Maria very ironic

(30:03):
that has to travel betweenvillages and in her travels on
this path there is a cave and onone occasion Maria has to go
into the cave to find shelterfrom a storm and in that
occasion she said that she felta tap on her shoulder and a
woman's voice.

(30:23):
Call her name.
Well, she ran from the cave infear, never to tell anybody.
Later on, maria was goingthrough this path again with her
child, her daughter, and herchild is deaf and mute, but the
child went into the cave andbecame able to speak and was

(30:47):
able to hear.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
So now go to my tweet .
So now this image on this rockbecomes a shrine.
Now look at the freakingcathedral they built on this at
the, at the, at the shrine.
Look at this freaking cathedral.
You would swear that's fromGrivendale or Rivendell,
whatever the hell it is fromLord of the Rings.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
You're the worst, anthony.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
That does not.
I was thinking, grivendale isHarry.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Potter, I will go there.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
You would swear that's from Lord of the rings,
like I've never seen anythinglike that.
Yep, so this, this is.
This is what medievalcatholicism was able to inspire,
right?
That's not even medievalcatholicism yeah, like that's
18th century right 19th century18 18th century happened in the

(31:44):
1700s yeah, so that's becauseit's columbia, like we didn't
really.
Uh, that's when, like secondchristendom starts popping up
after way after the reformation,like the jesuits were in south
america at that time so I wantto kind of tell you a story.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
um, I wrote about this particular uh incident in
one of my newsletters and what Italked about was the fact at
the very beginning of our Lord'slife, there were accolades
being sung by the shepherds, theangels who appeared to the
shepherds saying glory to God inthe highest and on earth, peace

(32:20):
to men of goodwill.
And then, at our Lord's death,17 chapters after this, just
before his passion, we hearsimilar praises coming from the
disciples who cried out blessedbe the King who cometh in the
name of the Lord.
Peace in heaven and glory onhigh.
So you have the angels firstproclaiming this at the

(32:40):
beginning of our Lord's life,and then you have men
proclaiming something similar atthe beginning of our Lord's
life, and then you have menproclaiming something similar at
the end of his life.
Well, as that was happening,you have the Pharisees demanding
that our Lord rebuke hisdisciples.
But our Lord's response wasthis, he said I say to you, if

(33:01):
these shall hold their peace,stones will cry out.
Okay, now you've already goneinto the story of what happened
with the rocks at las lajas,showing the uh, our lady and,
and giving the um um, the thescapular to saint simon stock
and the rosary to saint dominic.

(33:22):
But here's what happened 5,569miles away, that very same year.
So that same year, this is whatI wrote.
I said the rise of atheism trulybegan during the Enlightenment,
as pseudo philosophers likeRousseau, voltaire and others

(33:42):
gained prominence.
The very first book promotingthe idea of atheism was
unironically written by a FrenchCatholic priest named Jean
Meisler.
Meisler died in 1729, and hisbook wouldn't be published until
1762.
But the very fact that it waswritten at all gives a strong

(34:04):
indication to the undercurrentof atheist thought running
through society at the time.
But in 1754, a mostextraordinary occurrence took
place.
That year, the Scottishpseudo-philosopher David Hume
published a six-volume historyof England.
While not explicitly atheist inthe denial of God, hume's work

(34:27):
took a much subtler approach.
Hume strongly downplayed theimportance of religion and
implied that God was so impotentto stem the tide of the wars in
Europe.
In short, hume held his peaceregarding God and gave primacy
of place to Edinburgh in therise of atheism.

(34:49):
So here you have, right there,the rise of atheism, the silence
, the holding back whichdemanded that the rocks cry out.
And it was that same exact yearthat the rocks of Las Lajas
appeared to that woman year thatthe rocks of las lajas appeared
to to that woman.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I always I always perceived um, like, when we
would see statues that weep andstatues that like.
I always saw that as like afulfillment of that also right,
like, like we were in a time inthe church where the, the, the
hierarchy, no longer proclaimsthe faith like they really don't
like.
You have a handful of bishops.
There was this beautiful tweetthat I just read the other day

(35:28):
by a bishop who started talkingabout the Latin mass.
I should have thrown that inthere, but the, robert Reed, you
know, he's an auxiliary Bishopin Boston, auxiliary Bishop in
Boston, and he said the firsttime he prayed the Latin mass.
See if you can find the tweetright, cause I don't want to
miss Um, uh, so Jeff's Jeff.

(35:48):
Jeff is a seminarian.
I wanted to say that the uh, thestate of the seminaries here in
the U S isn't what people keepsaying.
It is.
Everyone I've met here is basedand enthusiastic about the
future.
Our rector says the TLM yeah,enthusiastic about the future.
Our rector says the tlm yeah,so that, but that's what I would
like.
We all hope that and we allhope.
I think it is a different timethan it was a few years ago.

(36:12):
But I really am just man.
I'm really hoping that leo doesintervene in this, in this
debate, and he and he does,because I see the other side.
So in offering the traditionalmass for the first time after
removing the vestments, I kneltin the back of the pew and wept.
So just a bishop saying thatpublicly on twitter, right.

(36:35):
So you have, uh, archbishopcordal leone will say things
like that.
You have uh cardinal, uh burkewill say things like that.
Like we have a very select fewwho will speak out and and speak
like this.
But I'm I see what the I seewhat the liberals are doing,
like the liberals, you know, ifyou have mike lewis arguing will

(36:58):
, will leo intervening and dosomething about the trads?
And the trads are like will leointervene and do something
about the latin mass like this,this, this split has to come
soon.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Like something has to happen I mean, ultimately, we
have to ask the question why dothey hate the heritage of the
church so much that they have todo something about the
traditional latin mass?
Why do they hate our patrimonyto such a degree that they want
to erase it, that they want tohave it completely done away
with and never turned back to?
What is it about thetraditional Latin mass that they

(37:30):
hate so much?
And that's something that theyrefuse to answer.
One of the things that I keepcoming back to with regard to
the change of the mass in theSecond Vatican Council was what
was the point?
Why did you do this?
And you know what the answer isBecause we can.
That's the only answer thatever, ever comes back.

(37:51):
But when you read the VaticanII document, sacrosanctum
Concilium, what it says is thatthey wanted to remove any
obstacles to non-Catholicsbasically the Protestants and
then they wanted to remove anyobstacles to non-Catholics
basically the Protestants andthen they wanted to remove any
obstacles to non-Christians, soanybody who's not even Christian
.
They want to remove all thoseobstacles so that they would

(38:13):
come into the mass.
Well, okay, so if that's yourpoint, then why didn't you make
a separate right?
Why didn't you?
Why?
Why do away with thetraditional Latin mass.
And they still have no answer.
They have no answer for that.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
well it is a different faith.
Right, like, like we have to behonest about it.
They believe a different faith.
They believe in a differentjesus than us, like.
Their version of jesus isjonathan roomie chosen what they
.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
What they believe with regard to the mass is
because this is what it boilsdown to the Mass is no longer a
sacrifice, but a meal.

Speaker 8 (38:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
And they say, oh, this is a representation of the
banquet in heaven.
Well, yes, but we're not inheaven, are we?
We're on the journey, we're onour way, which is why the
sacrifice is so important.
We're on our way, which is whythe sacrifice is so important,
which is why we have to approachthe altar with a sacrificial

(39:10):
heart and a sacrificial mindset,and we have to recognize that
this costs something.
What we are receiving here isnot just a free gift of food.
It costs something.
In fact, it costs the most.
And because it costs the mostand it's being given to me

(39:34):
freely, well, where's mygratitude if I'm walking up,
going feed me?
Where's my gratitude?
Where's my sense of awe?
Where's my sense of urgencywith regard to the state of my
soul before I approach, how canI possibly be mindful of my own
sinfulness?
I approach, how can I possiblybe mindful of my own sinfulness?
Discerning the body and blood ofthe Lord, as St Paul says, if I
have not inwardly andintrospectively understood what
is taking place up there on thealtar is a re-presentation of

(39:58):
the sacrifice on Calvary.
It is the only place and theonly time when time travel and
bilocation are possible, becauseright then and there we are
truly present at the foot of thecross of Calvary, all of us,
and, what's more, we also haveall of the souls in purgatory

(40:19):
and all of the saints in heavenjoining us in that one moment.
We are completely unified inthat one moment, right there at
the consecration in mass.
And if you don't have thatintellectually, and you're not
thinking about this sacrifice asit truly is, well then of
course you're just going totreat it like a big party and
you're going to play bongo drumsand you're going to have your

(40:39):
guitar going and you're going tohave father frederick daily
going around and talking aboutnamaste, and how you're going to
have father frederick dalygoing around and talking about
namaste and how we're going tohave this big gay mass because,
well, everything's, everything'sequal and all is welcome to
even get back to what gordon wassaying.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
How, like the, the, the natural religion that is in
all of man right, like, andmichael, me and you have talked
about, like these ancientcivilizations and like these,
these monoliths that arethroughout the world and things
like that, and how, like everyone of those cultures that
produced things that last, likethat, like they had ritual, like

(41:17):
regular ritual that thesecultures would go by, like all
of those, all of all of thosethings that we see throughout
the world, are some kind of atemple, there are some kind of a
temple, there's some kind of atemple that were made for
worship.

(41:37):
Now, when you look at thecathedral, we just saw that
cathedral was made for worshipbecause we had a very specific
way that we worshiped, and Idon't see how culture or
anything can be restored untilwe get back to our way, can be
restored until we get back toour way, like the worship that
inspired the West and I hatecalling it the West the worship
that inspired Christendom, thatinspired Christian civilization
and gave us all of the thingsthat we hold dear today, even

(41:59):
our because even the Protestantshave like that leftover
Christian ethos that is leftover from what the Catholic
church built.
It's by undermining that andover to like I can't see how the
church gets fixed until we fixthat.
Like that is such a very bigpart of it.
So yeah, we heard Pope Leo givethe sermon on the the the

(42:23):
miracle was sharing the otherday.
It's like I can almost overlookthat stuff If he intervenes in
in this area.
Like I think we need to startpreparing the next generation by
just freeing the, the Latinmass, and because I I do think
there is something to Benedict'smutual enrichment thing.

(42:43):
Right and well and enrichment ofone direction, but not, not,
not not a hundred percent, butyes it's.
It's like 90 enrichment in onedirection, but there's a reason
why I, I my, not me, but likethere's a reason why my family
prefers a diocesan Latin mass toan SSPX, like there is

(43:06):
something a little bit more.
I don't know what the rightword is.
What is it, Normie?
I don't want to say welcomingbecause I hate that word.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
It's just there's something, the two SSPX chapels
I've been to where we'rewelcoming is all.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I don't mean what like.
It's not like.
The sspx isn't welcoming.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
It's a little stiff and stodgy so you just don't,
you just feel out of place inyour jeans and t-shirt at the
sspx.
Jeans and a t-shirt Shut upOkay black jeans t-shirt and a
t-shirt jacket no I wear dress,pants and a collared shirt to
mass.
Black jeans are not dress pants.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
All right, the joke's ran its course.
So I don't know, it's not evenme Like I don't mind going to
either one.
It's in both the tenors.
I just know how my daughtersfeel when they go, and I'm just
saying that.
The mutual enrichment, I don't.

(44:12):
Yeah, you're probably right, itprobably all does go one way,
but either way, like let thatenrichment happen, right?
So if you have these parishesthat have both forms, the Novus
Ordo is going to be enriched bythat traditional liturgy and
it's going to itself then startusing the communion rails and
they're going to stop havingaltar girls because the parish

(44:33):
is just going to be atraditional parish, whether it's
either form of the man and I'm.
I am at the point where I don'tsay there are two forms, like I
agree with francis.
They're two different rites,like they just are.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
There's two totally different rituals my, my
disposition is this uh, and init it's actually the wisdom of,
of gamaliel, or gamaliel, orhowever you pronounce it.
Um, and what he said when thezealots wanted to slaughter all
the christians?
He said, no, leave them be.
He said, look, if they're ofgod, then it'll bear fruit, and

(45:05):
you don't want to destroysomething that is of God.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
No, he said.
He said if it's of God, there'snothing you can do to stop it.
Right, yeah, Right.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And?
And if it's not of God, wellthen it will go the way of the
dodo It'll, it'll, it'lldisappear, it'll fall, fall
under its own weight, It'llcompletely collapse.
So don't interrupt this.
What's more is, if youunderstand the parable of the
tares and the wheat, they saidyou know, the servants went out

(45:35):
and they saw that there werefalse wheat that was growing
among the good wheat.
Now, what most people miss fromthis particular parable is that
you can't tell the differencebetween a tare and a wheat until
it comes to full germination,until it actually is ready to be
harvested.
That's the only time you cantell the difference, and the

(45:57):
difference has to do with thespires.
At the end, it's either got onespire that comes out or two,
and I don't remember which iswhich.
What else is very interesting isthat tares and wheat can be
used to make bread.
But if you try to make breadout of false wheat, it will make

(46:18):
you drunk and it willultimately kill you, it'll
poison you, it'll causehallucinations, you'll start to
believe things that aren't true.
So if we want to have a realcomparison, we ought to just
allow both to grow and developin their own way.
Allow the traditional Latinmass at every parish.

(46:40):
Just say you know what?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Allow all priests.
They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, you know
, they know.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
That's that's where I'm going with this yeah, play
the.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Play the video I just I just sent to the to the thing
.
Did you guys see what happenedin charlotte?
So charlotte is the?
Uh bishop bishop martin madethis parish take out the
kneelers, and there's nine otherbishops at this church, so
Faithful in Charlotte continuedto kneel, despite efforts of
Bishop Michael Martin todiscourage the traditional

(47:14):
practice by removing kneelers.
This video is from July 1stmass during Atlanta province,
during an annual meeting.
Nine other bishops inattendance.
Look at that.
And for all the bashing I didof the boomers, look at how
beautiful they're not all thesame?
guys.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
They're not all the same.
Don't make nice with them now.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
My dad watches now.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Rob, I love how the first show he watches.
You're just ripping into that.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Michael, my dad has never watched an episode of this
show.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
We had Eric Stavins on the other night and I'm like
the boomers.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
My dad called me up the show and goes.
You know, I never saw yourstupid show and the first thing
you do is bash the boomers.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
You should have been like no, not all the boomers dad
just you, he goes, he's like,he's like.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I remember the Latin mass.
I don't like it, I go.
You see, you're a typicalboomer, okay.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
He should have been like Dad, you don't remember
what you ate last week, Don'ttell me you remember the Latin
mass.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
He doesn't remember the Latin mass?
My dad, you know I don't know.
You know my dad, I got to tellhim, I got to go.
Dad, do you understand?
It was the communists thatstarted it.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
He'll go right to the Latin mass by telling us, it's
the communists, it was thecommunists and the Muslims, it
was all them, dad.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Well, Anibal Bonini was a Freemason, so there's that
.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, that's it, he'll be right over.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Don't tell your dad it was the Jews that created the
Novus Ordo.
He really will love it for real, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I got him chipped.
Seen this video?
Look at, look at this video.
Look at they took the kneelersout of this parish.
This is insane.
Look every now.
That's not, that's not bishopmartin, but look at what you're
putting.
Look at what you're putting thepoor older people through, like
people have bad knees, likeespecially.
Look at, look at this.
This is like, yep, it's elderabuse.
It is now.
Look, even when I go to a novasordo, um, I will kneel.
It is very awkward to go andkneel when there's no kneeler
and you're, you're in line andyou go up and you like

(49:14):
everybody's waiting and you haveto like clear your way.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's like, right, I gotta kneel it's even worse,
anthony, when, when, um, you godown to kneel, but the priest is
standing up a step higher so hehas to bend down even lower.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
It's just God bless these people, god bless all of
them, all of them wearing veils,kneeling.
Good for all of them.
It's just sad.
It's just sad.
What's crazy is because eventhe people who, like all the
faithful Catholics I know thatgo to the Novus Ordo, they want

(49:50):
that, like they don't want thecheesiness.
So even like the staunchdefenders of the Novus Ordo, who
are faithful Catholics, whokind of defend it because it's
like well, no, here he comes.
Here's Mike, who said his name.
I did, oh, did you?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
And the devil is that how that works.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Wait, actually, mike sent me the best video today.
Wait, we have to play this, Rob, I have to find this Hang on.
Mike sent me such a good videotoday.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
I have to find it Hang on he says, he's not joking
, so I'll take that.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
No, I like I, I'm telling even mike.
Look, I know everybody has acaricature of mike in their head
.
Mike is a faithful catholic.
He wants to receive kneeling onthe top like he's.
He's just, you know it's uh,but hold on, I have to.
What did I write in that tweet?
Um, I got it.

(50:46):
Hang on, let's see.
Here we go.
All right, rob, I'm sending it.
I'm sending this hang on copylink.
Michael lewis sent me thisvideo today.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
Okay, we gotta watch this mike's the one that sent
you the mike said this today.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
This is amazing, but here's what?
Here's what I want to point out.
At the end of this video, thisgirl says something that just
enraged me.
All right, let's play this Ihaven't actually watched this
it's the co-sleeping thing, butyou have to listen.
Listen to everything this girlsays.
Oh no.

Speaker 9 (51:26):
Sleep on the floor as a family.
We used to sleep on a queen bed, like most people, but over
time the mattress startedsagging and so did our sleep.
I'd wake up with my back stiffand aching.
Elijah didn't have enough spaceto get comfortable.
Every little movement wouldripple through the bed and wake
one of us up, and once westarted co-sleeping with our

(51:46):
baby, it was even harder tosleep well.
So one night I was laying there, sore, squished, restless, just
staring at the ceiling, and Iremember thinking sleep is when
our bodies heal, it's when ournervous systems reset, and we
were missing that every singlenight.
So the next morning we gaveaway the bed frame, we ditched

(52:07):
the old mattress and we got aking size Japanese floor bed,
and the change was instant.
Our backs stopped hurting, westopped waking each other up,
there was plenty of space forall of us to sprawl, to breathe,
to really rest, and it mightlook like a downgrade from the
outside.
It is, but for us it's a returnto simplicity, to function over

(52:28):
aesthetics, to sleep.
That actually restores us.
This is the best decision thatwe've made as a family.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, Stop right there.
Did you hear what she said?
This is the best decision thatwe have ever made.
This man had nothing to do withthis decision.
This woman said my child issleeping in the bed, and not
only that, we're not even goingto have a this decision.
This woman said my child issleeping in the bed, and not
only that, we're not even goingto have a bed anymore.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
We're sleeping on the damn floor.
The Japanese that slept onmattresses.
Maybe they wouldn't have lostWorld War II.
Maybe they wouldn't worshipdemons.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
I just realized something Mike is trying to
divide and he knows that theco-sleeping debate almost broke
the show up, so he sent me thatvideo to break up.
Avoiding babylon.
I do have to give a shout outto rose mcnerney.
Uh, she's watching our show onher smart tv right now and she
doesn't know how to work thechat, but she's watching hi

(53:27):
she's texting you.
No, somebody else texted me andtold me to say for everyone
that has anthony's number.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
That's how you should comment on the show.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Just text him during the show I do have the phone
right out in front of me.
Um, yeah, I just thought thatwas funny that mike said that to
me.
Um, but, uh, yeah, I, I, just I.
I think that the there is anelement of mutual enrichment
that will happen.
And if they did, if Leo didintervene and say look, whatever

(53:57):
he said, whether he said look,if anybody requests an extension
, we'll give it.
Like I don't see him going backto Samorum, but I do see that
happening.
Like they just beat Texas.
Why not?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Because I think he's too wedded to what Pope Francis
was already doing.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I think that Leo is trying to play it too safe this
early on, right?
So I don't think he'll come outthis soon and just do away with
TC.
I think what he'll do is he'llsay look, if anybody requests an
extension, we will give it.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Okay, Look, let's, let's, let's look at it.
He did give an extension justrecently, a two year extension
actually in.
Texas.
Yeah, so you know, great, I, I,I like that.
But here's the problem.
We just got documents released,leaked from Rome, indicating
that the excuse that was givenfor why Traditionis Custodis was

(54:55):
imposed to begin with, whichwas hey, I took a survey of the
bishops and the majority of themsaid you know, we need to start
reining in thesetraditionalists, we need to
start reining in the traditionalLatin mass, and apparently
that's not true.
So we all knew that, though.
Oh, of course we did.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
We knew the fact that the document was leaked.
You think that is?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And that's the thing.
So now there is a momentumchange, at least on our side of
things, to say there, there, theimpetus for doing this didn't
exist at the time, and theexcuses that were made up after
the fact, and quasi during thethe in, in the middle of
perditionis custodis, which wasyou know, uh, there are a bunch

(55:40):
of mean trads, and those meantrads are they're the ones
causing all these problems, orthat wasn't true either I?
I don't know where they'regetting this information, but
when I would.
I've traveled all over thecountry and all over the world
and I've been to differenttraditional Latin mass
communities.
And I'll tell you what whenSummorum Pontificum came out,

(56:02):
there were more traditionalCatholics that were so grateful
for the fact that they had atraditional Latin mass to go to.
Are there some communities thatare insular?
Yes, is that a problem?
Maybe, but it's not a totalproblem, and the fact of the
matter is, you get a bunch ofmeanies and a bunch of
boneheaded people, on the novusordo side of things too so I was

(56:23):
going to say most novus ordomasses are insular by any
definition of the word.
But here's the thing why go fromone direction to the other but
not go in the?
You know?
Why say we have to get rid ofthe traditional Latin mass but
not the Novus Ordo mass?
Why do that?
Why impose one over the other,when you can simply say we are

(56:47):
united in one faith, we areunited in one sacrifice.
We are united in one belief.
We are united in one sacrifice.
We are united in one belief,therefore.
But we're not.
But here we're not.
Well, is it a matter ofcatechesis?
Is a?
Is it a matter of understanding?
Is it a matter of theology?
But this is what they don'twant to talk about.
They don't want to parse outwhat it is that divides us.

(57:08):
They just want to say you're noton board with us, You're not
with the program.
So therefore, your little toymass has got to go.
That's the way they handle it.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Look, there's man.
I saw a video clip of Leo todayjust talking like I was a
little kid, asking him if hewent to mass as a kid, and he
like tells this whole storyabout how when he was six years
old he was going to the mass andlike, like he's got such
beautiful catholic piety like hereally does.
He's got, he's got like thisbeautiful catholic piety to him.
So I'm, I am like I still dohave like a little bit of hope.

(57:42):
I just I'm, I'm just worriedthat he's so he's too um timid
to do something like of his own.
You know, like I I feel likehe's he's been so gentle with
the making sure the the peoplewho love francis don't think
he's not gonna follow along withfrancis.
And I'm worried, that's all.
I'm just worried.

(58:03):
I would love it if it went,because I think if it went back
to samorum there really was apeace in the church at that time
.
But the problem is, the peaceat that time was such a small
thing.
Back then the Latin Mass was soinsignificant.
Back when Benedict releasedthat moda proprio, it took Pope

(58:27):
Francis and then it took COVID,and those two things are what
kind of blew the Latin mass upand the thing is under under
Francis.
We did use the Latin mass as a,as a meeting point to oppose
Francis.
It wasn't, it wasn't TaylorMarshall, it was.
We were like we need to escapewhatever the hell is happening

(58:50):
in the church right now.
And what we found in at theseLatin masses was like the faith
we were taught and it's like Iknow you've been doing it since
you're a kid, michael, but forme, it was when I started going
to the Latin masters in 2017.
And it was like a light bulbwent off and it was like Whoa,
this is the, this is the massthat I learned about from Scott

(59:13):
Hahn.
Like this is, you know, this iswhat.
Like where heaven meets earthand the angels and the saints
are around us and you're seeingthe sacrifice of Calvary like
that was when it clicked for me.
So and I think that happened fora lot of people so it was like
Francis was doing all this crazystuff and we were all like what
the hell is happening right now?
But we found this grounding andthis stability in the Latin
mass for the average person, sothey went there and they fell in

(59:35):
love with it, and now there'sthis devotion to it that that
what?
That didn't exist back whensome more of them came out,
right.
So, but now that Leo's in, Idon't think people are using
Latin mass as a as a as a like ameeting place to oppose the
Pope anymore, so I don't see whythere's any reason to continue
the restrictions on it.
The restrictions that Francisput in is because I think they

(59:59):
really saw people were flockingto this thing and it's like whoa
Rob taught me he's like everysingle revolution that has ever
happened through history startedwith 2% of the population, and
that's how a revolution startsit starts with 2% and then, all
of a sudden, that thing growsand grows, and grows, and that's
where we were at before 2020.
We were at 2%.
Now it's at like 7% ofCatholics are attending the

(01:00:21):
Latin mass.
It's and I know, I think theysee it for what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I agree.
I agree.
Now, again, I don't know thatpeople were using the Latin Mass
as a meeting place to opposeFrancis.
I think that they were lookingfor some place to escape the
program of politics that wastaking place within the church
and the heresy that's runrampant, and this is something
that nobody wants to address.
They don't want to address thefact that look in these Novus

(01:00:48):
Ordo parishes, you have rampantheresy, and the proof of it is
right here, with the AUSCP, thisorganization right here,
fifteen hundred priests withinfluence all throughout the
United States, and what are theypushing?
They're pushing this program ofwomen's ordination, lgbtq

(01:01:08):
garbage.
Ok, let me tell you somethingthis is going to shock your
audience and we can talk moreabout it on locals.
But what if I told you thatthese men were admitting that
they were homosexuals and thatthey masturbate?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Oh boy, we got a.
We got a crazy local showcoming up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Kids, when we're talking about this kind of thing
in the open and they're sayingyou know, hey, by the way, uh,
not only am I gay, not only am Imasturbating, but it's a prayer
when I do it and it's aglorious thing, it's a great
thing.
Not a single person correctedthem, not one.
Now let me ask you this Iwalked around the corner because

(01:01:48):
we were having a, a rosaryrally, and I hope I hope that
Mike Lewis is listening to this,because this is the kind of
thing that I'm up against.
When I was walking around thecathedral where the bishop,
archbishop Gustavo, wascelebrating mass for the AUSCP
and then singing their praisesat the homily, I was walking
around holding a sign that saidAUSCP supports women's

(01:02:09):
ordination.
And as I was rounding thecorner, father Frederick Daly,
who is a member of the AUSCPhe's the priest from Syracuse
that said the gay mass, startedthe mass with namaste and all
that nonsense he came around thecorner and he saw my sign and
he looked at it and he said suredo.
Now we not I, we meaning theauscp and I said you sure do

(01:02:34):
what support women's ordination.
He said yes.
I said ordination to what?
The priesthood?
He said to the diaconate, tothe priesthood as bishops, as
pope?
Why?

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
can't they just be gay anglicans not?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
and he had a coterie of other AUSC priests around him
.
Not a single one of themcorrected them.
Of course Not one.
Yeah, okay, but I keep cuttingyou off, but I think this is
good.
Yes, cut me off of course,because these men, these priests

(01:03:09):
who have infected the churchfor the last 60 years, we have a
horrible, horrible infection ofmodernism that has infiltrated
every corner of the church.
Every single one of us hasdrunk the waters of modernism.
Every single one of us, not oneof us, has gotten through this
flood of modernism that's filledthe church.
So these men, they aremodernists at the core, which is

(01:03:32):
why they're promoting all thishorrible stuff.
But modernism is the problemand no one wants to talk about
it.
No one wants to talk about howmodernism is changing our
understanding of the sacraments,changing our understanding of
the structure of the church,which is why we have this
synodality of nonsense.
Okay, all of this is predicatedon modernist ideologies, and

(01:03:57):
I'm not talking about modernismin the colloquial sense.
I'm talking about the heresythat was defined in Pashendi,
and I would challenge Mike Lewisto read Pashendi Dominici
Gregis.
Read it, understand it, andthen take a look at the church
right now, look at the programthat's been imposed upon us, and
you tell me how it's anydifferent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I wanted to just get to this.
Oh wait, I don't know if weshowed this one.
Why do you guys hate 60s folkmusic that covers about Father
Dale?
Mary had to to show that, but Ihave testicles.
Carl thomas said, anthony, thecatholic church has never been
and is not political.
Christ founded it to spread hisword, unite the faithful and to

(01:04:40):
save souls.
I completely disagree.
Completely disagree.
Like the church is a politicalentity, like and if you, if you
actually understood how thechurch operated, like the way,
the way christendom started was.
Like the secular and thereligious are very catholic
terms.
They're, they're started byaugustine, where it's, yes,

(01:05:03):
there are, there is a, a secularrealm and there's a religious
realm, and and and the priestclass and the bishops control
the religious realm, but thatdoesn't mean the secular is
completely separate from it.
It was always that the secularwould enforce the religious for
them, like Christendom was meantto be Catholics who, like you

(01:05:25):
were, you were taught and formedin the church and then you went
and lived out your faith in thepolitical realm.
So, like we have Marco Rubio asa Catholic, joe Biden was a
Catholic.
All of those Catholics aresupposed to be formed in the
church and then they go out andthey live out their Catholic
faith in the political realm.
So it's like church doesn'tendorse a political party.

(01:05:47):
But that doesn't mean thechurch isn't a political entity.
Of course it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Of course it is, because politics politea,
meaning the body of the people,that's all it means.
Yeah.
So if our Lord said go into theworld and baptize all nations
in the name of the Father and ofthe Son and of the Holy Ghost,
he's talking about doingsomething that's political, it's
a political act.
You're going to the people,you're going to the people,

(01:06:15):
you're going to theunderstanding of the people.
And how do you treat oneanother?
You treat them according to theteachings that Christ gave us,
which is with kindness, withunderstanding and with a spirit
of desire for their salvation.
That's love.
So with that, yes, we have apolitical understanding of the
church.
We have to draw people into thefaith.
We have to draw people towardsthe salvation of souls.
I'm concerned about modernismand immorality and distortion of

(01:06:38):
the faith, but our faithrequires doctrinal unity with
the successor of Peter.
But Peter can't change any ofthat.
Well, we can now have adifferent pastoral approach that
is completely separate from ourdoctrinal understanding of the
morals of the church, iscompletely and totally patently
false.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
The successor of Peter has to have doctrinal
unity with the church.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I was asked once and this was very early on by a
bishop, Because I asked him howthings were going and what was
going on in the church.
And the bishop said to me hesaid how can I be loyal to Peter
when Peter is not loyal to thechurch, when Peter is not loyal
to Christ?
And it's a valid question.

(01:07:25):
It's a valid question.
Peter himself denied Christthree times.
So if Peter himself deniedchrist three times, so if peter
himself denied christ threetimes and this was after he was
instituted as pope if peterdenied christ three times, then
what happens when one of theapostles says you know what?
He denied christ, so I shoulddo the same no, so well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Well, the question for for us is going to come down
to was Francis a one-off, or iswhat he taught going to be
affirmed by successor popes likethe Amoris Laetitia and the
Fidu that we would say wereanomalies?
in the papacy, that were never,taught before, like are those

(01:08:12):
things going to be taught bysuccessor pope?
So, like, if, if leo backs offof those things and rescinds
those and then the next popemakes a statement like the it's,
it's also then going to be uponmike lewis at that point to
remain faithful to the doctrinalunity of Peter at that point.
Right, so it's a.
It is a it it's going to be oneof those things that we're

(01:08:36):
going to have to see play out.
I think we need to go over tolocals that's what I think,
because Michael has somebombshells he's going to release
over there.
I have a crazy story of me andmy wife bumping into an
ex-girlfriend of mine two, twoex-girlfriends you told that
story not on air.
I told that to you.

(01:08:56):
I told that to you in the greenroom.
Are you sure?
I promised you that was not onair.
I said no we're saving this forlocals well, I don't know the
story, so I'm looking for two,two ex-girlfriends in a week
that we bumped into oh no, itwas one of them got pretty bad,
so we're gonna do that sleepingon the couch ever since she

(01:09:20):
handled it well.
She handled it well, but my kidswere there for one of them and
my, my son goes.
My son goes, dad, you made theright choice.
One of them didn't age so well.
My kids are there.
They're like oh, who is this?
I'm like, oh, this is actuallymy girlfriend.
Before mommy and my son pulledme aside.
He goes, thank God, dad, likethank God you found mommy.

(01:09:46):
But the other one was a littlebit rougher, the other one was
not not so smooth.
So we're going to do that.
And then I also have a video ofof a little kid running away
from home and his parentsallowing him and he kind of
freaks out.
And I want to talk aboutdisciplining our children and

(01:10:07):
we're going to hang for a while.
We got we got a big show left.
The show didn't even begin.
So we're gonna hang for a while.
We got a, we got a big showleft.
The show didn't even begin.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
So we're gonna go over the locals.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Michael, it's been an hour and 10 minutes oh yeah, I
got a long night ahead of me.
So, michael, what are wepromoting?
We have uh lepanto institute onyoutube.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yep, rob's uh it's just us, michael.
Okay, all right.
So we've got um.
Yeah, come come to the lepantoinstitute, lepanto inorg.
Uh, we've got um.
Yeah, come come to the lapantoinstitute, lapanto inorg.
Uh, we've got a series ofreports we're going to be
putting out in the very nearfuture.
I've got a super bombshell, uh,about something going on in the
archdiocese of santa fe thatwe'll be reporting on.

(01:10:43):
Um.
I can't say a whole lot aboutit right now, but, but it's
going to be huge.
I'll say that it's.
It's pretty huge.
We've got a lot of reportsregarding the AUSCP that we're
going to put out.
I mean, when we've got littlestickers that I collected from
the AUSCP meeting, love is love,isn't that cute?

(01:11:05):
Yeah, very cute.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Also, I am trying to build my twitter subscriber base
, so if you guys are followingme on twitter and you oh, what'd
you do to him?
nothing, I don't know, justdisappeared I'm going to be, uh,
doing some fun stuff on theretoo.
So if you guys want to go,subscribe to me on twitter and
we'll, uh, we'll, we'll havesome stuff coming up there.

(01:11:29):
But yes, locals, it is for now.
If you guys are not subscribedto locals, please go over there.
Locals is not free in any waybecause Anthony needs to get
money off of us to pay for hisboat.
This is not even a lie.
That is fairly accurate.
Well, I won't stream it on Xfor free.
You have to pay for it on.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
I'll put a clip of it out.
I won't put the whole thing out, but if you're a youtube member
, you get nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Yes, you want to just give me the script and let me
record it and then you can justplay it at the beginning and end
of the program listen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
We also.
We have a two-month pause onrecusant sellers.
Two or three months, yeah, wehave a.
We have a uh.
So for all of july and augustthere, and maybe even september
they're not because they can'tship wine in the summer months,
so they're on pause right now.
So if you guys can super chat,join locals, subscribe to my ex,
whatever you guys can to helpus out, we'll see you guys on

(01:12:23):
the other side.
Rob, take us out, we're overthere.
Okay, hold on, we'll playsomething.
You should play an outro song.

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Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Okay, we're on locals only just us on locals.
Um, yeah, dude, so all right.
So the first one was we went toa graduation party.
Um, and it's, it was an oldhigh school friend.
So we, we went to my, me and mywife have a friend from high
school and they, your old highschool friend, finally graduated
no.
So their kid graduated and meand my wife are still friends

(01:13:46):
with them.
So we went there and while wewere there, my ex-girlfriend was
there, who was my girlfriendwhen I was like 16.
And I had like two drinks at meand my wife was talking.
My wife was friendly with herand stuff she was.
You know, it was fine.
But my kids come over andthey're like, oh, who's this?
I'm like, oh, that was mygirlfriend before mommy.

(01:14:07):
And my wife just looks over atme and she's like that's how you
introduce her, Like she wasannoyed.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Well, there probably was a better way yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
My son later on.
He goes what the hell were you?
I'm like, oh, she was reallypretty when we were younger.
I'm telling you Mommy wasprettier.
Well, yes, my wife wasdefinitely prettier, but and
then when we were at fire islandthis weekend, I had like a
corner slip that everybody hadto walk by.

(01:14:36):
And this girl is walking by andshe's, she's there and she's
like art, like doing somethingon her phone, and like my
brother made a comment to herabout her not knowing how to use
her phone or something, and andthen she was talking with my
brother and her husband wasthere and I'm talking with her
husband.
I look over at the girl and I'mlike I'm like what's your
wife's name?
He's like Lori.

(01:14:57):
I'm like I've known Lori for avery long time and then, like
she realized who I was.
Now this is the girl, all right.
So me and my wife started dating.
We dated when we were like 15and then we broke up for two
years and then, senior year, westarted dating again.
And then my wife, when senioryear was over, she went to

(01:15:17):
college and when she left forcollege she went to Chicago for
a year and, uh, when she firstleft, I didn't know what was
going to happen between us.
So I, I don't know, I hung outwith another girl.
So, um, I'm trying to uh, justbring locals, the locals chat up
here.

(01:15:37):
Um, hang on one sec.
I want to make sure I could seethe comments on this.
Okay, all right.
So, um, so the?
So she recognizes me, the girlI'm like, oh, I'm like, hi, lori
.
She's like, oh, my God, anthony.
She's like, and you're Nicole,and my wife's sitting there and
she's going how the hell doesthis girl know my husband and

(01:15:59):
know my name?
And she knows my wife's namebecause I was my.
I was still technically datingmy wife when she left for
Chicago.
I was hanging out with thisgirl and the girl fell in love
with me.
I was like I broke it off withher because I was staying with
my wife.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Your girlfriend, who became your wife.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Let's be clear Me and my wife.
When she first left until Ivisited her that first time when
she was at college, I didn'tknow what was going to happen.
Then, when I visited her thatfirst time when she was at
college, like I didn't know whatwas gonna happen there.
Then, when I visited you'rerationalizing it yeah, so I
basically so.
So the girl's like having thisconversation with my wife and
she knows her name and she knowsall this stuff about us, so

(01:16:43):
they wind up leaving.
The husband was kind of likelike didn't make much of it, I
guess, but as soon as the girlleft, my wife lost it.
She was flipping.
Who the hell was that girl?
How do you know her?
And I'm like all right, so Ihad to tell her.
I'm like you know, when youwent to Chicago, she's like now

(01:17:04):
this was in a very rough periodof time in my life and my wife's
like how far did this go?
And I was like I don't know,like it was very long time ago,
like I don't know 20 years ago.
28 years ago 28 years ago, likeme and my wife were 43.
Now this is when I was 18,right so 25 years ago like I

(01:17:28):
don't, and I told her I don'tknow and she thought I was lying
to her, so it made her more madbecause she's like you're just
covering up and I'm like Iliterally don't know, like I
don't know if I just kissed her,I don't know if I hung out with
her for a month, for six.
I don't have any memory.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
You know, it's kind of.
It's kind of like umconditional baptisms if there's
no positive doubt, just saydidn't go anywhere but I didn't
want to lie to her, so I justtold, like I said, positive
doubt that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I should have just been like, oh, I just, I don't
know, I didn't want to lie, Iwas just like look.
So she got super mad at thisand she was like furious the
whole night and then likesomething happened where no, no,
do not go further no, like Ithink.
I think she liked the idea ofanother girl.

(01:18:18):
Girls are so sick, women aresick, wait I I missed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I think it turned my wife on jealousy some other girl
liked me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Like the jealousy turned, it took a totally
different route.
It was very interesting.
He just couldn't even take it.
It was so awkward, it was justso freaking weird man.
This whole freaking weekend I I, that was an accident, oh okay
I thought you were just notcomfortable, yet to leave Rob

(01:18:52):
bring up.
While we're on the subject offamilies, we're really going to
try to redeem the show, bring upthe video of the little kid
because this is interesting andI think, especially with both of
you as fathers and if we haveany young guys that are going to
be fathers or or parents thathave kids now and stuff.

(01:19:14):
It's a.
It's an interesting videobecause it made me think of my
childhood and the times myparents didn't discipline me and
how that affected me.

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
Oh, we just saw how it affected you yeah that's true
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
We just had a story on that, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Okay, hold on, let me .

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I got to reset up sharing here Two stories, in
fact, wow, two stories.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I share too much on this program.
I don't know why I can't helpmyself.
Bye.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
Have a good night, have a good night, bye, see you
later.
See you later, be safe, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Have a good night, bye, see you later.
See you later, be safe, bye.
Really what, what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
What?
What happened?
What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
What's wrong?
What's?

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
wrong.
I don't want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Oh, you don't want to go, ah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
The laughing.
That is pretty sick actually.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
But it's an interesting thing to show
because kids want to bedisciplined, right like that kid
wanted his story.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, I'll tell you a story.
When I was, I think, about fouryears old, um, I got in trouble
for something, I got swattedfor it.
So I went to a piece of paperand I took a crayon and I wrote
mom.
And then I put a big X throughmom and I handed the paper to my
mom and I said you're off mylist.

Speaker 7 (01:21:02):
I was mad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Well, a little while later I totally forgotten about
it and I went up to her and Iasked for lunch because I was
hungry, and she just kind ofshrugged her shoulders and he
said she said I can't do that,I'm off your list.
And I burst into tears randownstairs, got the piece of

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paper and wrote mom back on thepiece of paper, handed to her
and said you're back on my listnow such an innocent story too.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yeah, mine's not so innocent oh really really well
it.
I remember when I was like 15,it was so all right, so I, I
have eight siblings, and therewas, so it's the older group of
four, it's so I'm third, right,so it's my sister michelle, my

(01:21:56):
brother don, then me, then mybrother mikey, then there's an
eight-year gap between mikey andjoey and then there's five kids
in a row that my parents had.
So now when I was 15, myparents had five kids and five
young toddlers in the house.
It was an infant and it wasmayhem and I was fighting so
much with my parents and, um, II remember having, yeah, when I

(01:22:22):
was 15, like fighting bad, likeI was their problem child, like
I was just a bad team.
And, um, there was, I wound uplike leaving and going and
staying with my friend and Iassumed that my parents would
come and get me.
I mean, I was 15 years old andmy dad was going, right, you

(01:22:45):
didn't have a cell phone oranything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
No, nothing like that .

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I don't know where you were like, but they did know
where I was and I would.
I just assumed like there's noway they're gonna let me get
away with this, like they'regonna come and get me and like
because I was not home for liketwo, three days at this point,
and they never came and got meand I remember, like I remember
being really sad and upset thatlike I thought my parents didn't

(01:23:09):
care about me.
You know, like I was, like Iwas like they don't even give a
where.
My dad's point of view wasyou're causing so much mayhem in
this house.
Oh, you think you're an adult,you want to go live on your own.
Go ahead, go live on your own.
And he was trying to do a toughlove approach.
But like I think, even asteenagers, like when your kid
does something wrong, if youdon't punish them, they'll, like

(01:23:30):
I remember perceiving it as myparents don't love me.
Like if you spare the rod ofyour kid, like you're sparing
your child of love, right, it'snot, I don't know, man, like I,
I have like deep psychologicaleffects of that instance in my
life from that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
The video just kind of brought it up to me it's kind
of like going and playing hideand seek and your parents going
oh yeah, go ahead and go hide,I'll go hunt for you.
And then two hours later you'relike where are you?

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
they don't come.
I forgot to turn on thesupporter only thing, so
everyone could just hurt whatyou?

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
oh my gosh rob, you're the worst.
I don't think people click onit, unless they're supporters.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Um, I'm gonna show all these videos to a therapist
one day and get like a diagnosisfor you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Well, therapy is one of those things where I think
anybody that goes to liketherapy for too long like, I
think probably therapy can helpsomebody like if they're in like
an immediate therapy yeah,that's how I look.
I really do.
I think, like talking to youguys, I don't get paid enough.
Then no yeah, I don't know, man,I think I think, like some of

(01:24:34):
the bad behavior that I hadstemmed from my parents lack of
disciplining me because they hadso much going on with the
younger kid which is, look likemichael, you have eight kids,
right?
How do you make sure you givebecause I met your son, your son
is amazing and like, how do youmake sure you give each kid the

(01:24:56):
individual attention you needto give them so that they don't
feel like they're kind of justlike in the bunch?
Because I remember feeling likethat a lot as a kid.
My dad would take all of us todo something, but I never spent
like a lot of one-on-one timewith my dad.
Like it's difficult when youhave that many kids, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Sure, well, you know, the kids basically do their own
thing all day long if they're,if they're home cause we
homeschool.
So you know, if they're inclass, they're all sitting
around, they're all doing theirclasswork, and typically I go to
work anyway.
So in the evenings we all havedinner together.
Every night we all eat, unlesssomebody's working or they've

(01:25:33):
got some commitment, but by andlarge we have dinner together
all together.
We all say prayers in themorning together and we all say
prayers in the evening together.
Prayers at the beginning of theday and at the end of the day

(01:26:03):
ground us because it's somethingthat we're all doing, we're all
unified in.
And then, you know, I'll play agame with the younger kids, or
I'll sit around and I'll talk tothe older kids know Sonia in a
while, so I want to see whatshe's up to or I, you know, I
haven't spent a whole lot oftime with Damien, so I'm going
to toss them in the air for alittle while.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Yeah, and you can.
Often, you know the kids willkind of let you know in their
own way when they need time.
You know, alone time with youis what I've noticed.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Well, not just that, michael, you took your son to
the Catholic identity conferenceand like we got to spend that
one-on-one time not one-on-one,but like we hung out with you,
like I met your son and spentthe weekend hanging out with
your son, and it's like I thinkthings like that are important,
where, when they hit a certainage and they're old enough, to
do a certain go to the.
So like last night, um, my sonhad he.

(01:26:50):
He called me yesterday whileI'm at work.
He's like dad, do you mind ifmy friends come over and play
poker?

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
I'm like, yeah, fine, you know to tell all, all parts
of the story, yet yep so myson's like dad, can my friends
come over and play poker?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
and I'm like, yeah, no problem.
See, all his friends are in thebackyard playing poker.
My son comes in.
He's like dad, come out andplay with us, like we?
We like, yeah, no problem.
So all his friends are in thebackyard playing poker.
And my son comes in.
He's like dad, come out andplay with us.
Like we, we want you to play.
And I was tired, like I workedall day.
He's like come out and playwith us.
I'm like, nick, I'm not goingto to go play cards with him.
And his friend like, how do younot go?

(01:27:33):
So I'm like, all right, I'll goout.
So I sit down with them.
It's eight o'clock.
I go, look, I'm staying until10 pm.
Like I'm not staying past 10 pm.
I'm just telling you I'mhanging out from 8 to 10.
I sit down with they're all 19,19 and 20.
They're playing cards.
They're playing no, uh, nolimit, hold them.
And I and the one friend goesto me.

(01:27:55):
He goes, he goes, I'm comingfor you, mr abadi.
I'm like, oh, you're coming forme, are you?
I cleaned every one of thesekids out last night.
Michael, when I tell you.
I won 306, so I bought him for100.
I won 368 on top of the hunt,so I took out 468.
I at 10 o'clock pm, I finishedI, I cashed out.

(01:28:16):
I took 468 dollars out.
I threw my son 60 and I yourfriends are welcome here anytime
, nick and I walked out.
You're never playing cards withus again, abadi.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
I got this picture.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
It was so fun to hang with my son and his friends,
though it was just such aBecause my son's an adult now.
It's such a differentexperience.
You brought your son to come tothe Catholic and I hung out and
had drinks with your son.
I got to know him.
It was a really awesomeexperience.

Speaker 5 (01:28:53):
As your kids like, it's such a different and after
hearing your stories tonight,michael regrets that very much
now jason.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Jason texted yes, anthony, that's called a hustle
you and your son hustled hisfriends.
For an italian, it's justanother day oh man, parenting is
just an interesting thingbecause when they're little it's
a, it's such a differentrelationship.
But as they get bigger, likeyou're, you're like, they're

(01:29:22):
like.
My son's a man now, so it'slike, I don't know like and and
I remember the.
The most exciting part was whenhe was around 14 and I was able
to to have deep theologicaldiscussions with him and talk to
him about the faith and getinto typology with him, and I
remember the moment where thefaith went from him just going

(01:29:43):
to church because I was makinghim to, all of a sudden he
believed the faith and heunderstood all these deeper
concepts and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
Chad is pointing out the difference between you and
Michael.
Michael takes his son toCatholic conferences.

Speaker 9 (01:29:57):
You go and steal money from your son's friends.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
I don't know what to tell you, guys.
I am who I am.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
That's just Italian Catholicism right there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
But it is because while we were sitting there
playing, like I bring deeperbecause I'm trying to convert
his friends too, like whilewe're sitting there, while I'm
stealing their money, I'm tryingto convert them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
This is called almsgiving everyone and then I
just sent you a link to a videothat I demand that you give to
rob, to pick and play okay, wait, let me see hang on.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Uh, oh my gosh, this is gonna be, amazing.
Hang on.
Wait, rob, I'm sending it now,hang on I should have.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
I should have your son follow you around with the
camera all day.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
We were talking about like even doing like when I,
when I get my boat back, like meand him doing like excursions
together, like doing like boatvlogging or something, but I'm
like it'll take away from likethe time we spend together.
I see the way vloggers existand their whole life is for the
camera and you're talking to theend.
It's like you miss out on themoment, for.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
We should have sent this to Taffy to put ants' faces
on this guy.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
Yeah right.

Speaker 8 (01:31:23):
He doesn't always speak, but when he does, both
hands are involved.
His GPS only gives directionsin loud hand gestures.
His gym playlist is just audiorecordings of his family arguing
.
His protein shakes are 50% whey, 50% gabagool.
He was born holding a slice ofpizza.

(01:31:45):
He only dates women who remindhim of his mother and then cries
when they act like her.
He has a toothpick in his moutheven though he hasn't eaten in
four hours.
His morning alarm is just hismother yelling that he's wasting
his life.
He believes putting pineappleon pizza is a war crime.

(01:32:06):
When he hears someone pronouncebruschetta incorrectly, a vein
pops in his forehead.
He uses olive oil both asmoisturizer and cologne.
His name is Mario.
His brother's name is Luigi.
He calls his mom mama, even at47 while robbing a bank he

(01:32:29):
smells like cologne cash andsomeone else's wife.
His tinder profile says mustcook like my mother, even though
he still lives with her.
He believes a man should nevercry unless Italy loses to France
.
He once ghosted a woman bydriving past her house 14 times.
He wears a gold chain heavierthan most small children.

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He once killed a mafia bosswith spaghetti.
He is the most Italian man inthe world.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
I want that espresso.
I don't always drink in my car.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
But when I do, it's whatever was left over from the
wedding.
I wasn't invited to Stay overlydramatic, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Wait, wait.
Brian Walsh says Anthony,reality show Anthony, getting
boozed up, demanding familyrosary and then going off on a
10-minute rant during ameditation on one of the
Sorrowful Mysteries.
I've done that, sober I, one ofthe sorrowful mysteries.
I've done that, sober.
I do that, sober I.
Like a spent.
No, like the coronation of ourlady.

(01:33:31):
I've done like 20 minutehomilies with my kids plenty of
hand gestures I love thecoronation.
It's my favorite mystery sureyeah same here.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Yeah, it's dangerous when he prays the rosary,
because he's got that thingswinging, as he's doing his hand
gestures I get mad when my kidsmispronounce latin or when they
say among and not amongst.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
Oh, that doesn't my kids know, better they would
talk from a young age and neverto do that and that's like, or
say you instead of thou.
Yeah, my kids say the rosaryproperly, I promise you.
Yeah, I just I don't know.
I was thinking about likedirections to go on this show.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
You chose some interesting ones.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
I knew I was going to drink a couple of beers and I
figured I'd just open up withyou guys.
Wait, michael had another videothat he sent me, rob, we got to
go over this one.
It's it's King Henry the eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Oh, yes, yeah, we got to go over the King.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Henry the eighth, if it was in modern times, and he's
arguing with the Pope onTwitter.
Look, rob, look up Henry 8.0.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
It stars Brian Blessed.
Look up, henry 8.0.
It stars Brian Blessed, look upHenry 8.0.
Yeah, henry, 8.0.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
We got a pretty big local.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
There's a few of them .

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Yeah, go with the, whichever the one that you were
watching, anthony, that's theone.
Yeah, wait, brian.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Blessed swearing compilation no, no, no, henry
8.0.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Pope and glory.
Pope, yes, that one.
Yeah, pope and glory okay ohalso, uh, michael, we have to,
we have to figure out aconference.
Yeah, we have to get, we haveto get joe mclean, because he's
got like the radio stationbehind them.
You gotta get him to organizethe conference.

(01:35:27):
And we gotta do me, you likejosh, um, uh, joe, uh, maybe, uh
, anthony stein, like we gottado, like our group, like, yes,
like our group, we gotta gettogether and do a conference
which just does you bet yeah,let.
Yeah, let's do it.
I've got to talk to Joe McLeanabout that.
Alright, let's go with it, rob,because I didn't watch this

(01:35:49):
when Michael sent it to me,though.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
One, two, three smile Cheeky, Cheeky bastard.
The Pope's just blocked me.
What Pope Gregory's justblocked me on Twitter?

Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
Perhaps he's sick of you taunting him, henry, it's
not taunting Catherine, it'sfriendly banter.
Like sending him all thosepictures of his face
photoshopped onto differentfarmyard animals.
Maybe he doesn't like being apig or a duck.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
I just found them on the internet and I thought he
might be interested.

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
You didn't just find them, henry, you spent the whole
afternoon making them.
You even missed cash in theattic.
You never miss cash in theattic.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
Well, he's so damnably smug.
Have you seen his latest updateSitting on the balcony with a
cup of tea and a mint yo-yo atthe faithful god?
I love being the pontiff, bythe way, um, and have we got any
mint, yo-yos?

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
you know we haven't, henry.
If you want some, you'll haveto add them to the shopping
basket and they'll come in thenext he's getting along too well
with Catherine.
It's your Wednesday.
I want one now.
You only want one because thePope's having one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
No, I just fancy one.
I was thinking that even beforeI saw that he was having one.

Speaker 6 (01:37:12):
Have a Kit Kat instead.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
No, no, no, no, no.
I want something minty.

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
Why don't you have a Kit Kat with a little bit of
toothpaste on top?
I bet it'll taste exactly thesame.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Well, are you retarded If you eat a Satsuma
and a?
Yorkie at the same time, itdoesn't magically taste like a
chocolate orange.
No, I want the real thing.

Speaker 6 (01:37:38):
Well, we haven't got any.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
You know you could always pop out and get some.
Got any, you know you couldalways pop out and get some.
Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Henry, I'm right in the middle of ironing your big
pants.
No, you'll have to wait.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Where's Ray come from .

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
You know, technically that's treason.

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
Not this again, Henry .

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
I'm just saying it sounded a bit treason-y.
You've got to be careful.
I don't make rules.
Why do you always have to bring?

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
bit treason-y.
You've got to be carefulTreason-y.
I don't make rules.
Why do you always have to bringup treason?

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
I'm just saying have you ever seen someone hung,
drawn and quartered?
It's really, really messy.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
All right, I'll go and get you some.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Anything else?
Yes, yes, yes.
A lottery scratch card and oneof those puzzle books and a
Kinder surprise.
Right, and give us your Twitterlogin so I can drop the Pope a
line.
I just found a picture of himgetting milked.
Moo Moo, treason-y.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Technically that's a treason.
I like the.
It's a bit treasony because Ithose bits have to be him just
being a total degenerate andtrying to kill all his wives
what are you retarded?

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
that was actually great my kids yell that at each
other, for every once in a whilesomebody says something stupid.
What are you retarded?

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
my wife gets very upset at that word and we had
this whole debate on it theother day and she's like but
it's just like, my wife is justso sensitive about words and
she's like she's I don't likeretarded and I don't like fag.
I'm like you are such aretarded fag.
It's not even, and then I wasjust trying to upset her with it

(01:39:34):
.
Michael, how did you meet yourwife?

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
How did I meet my wife?
So we were at ChristendomCollege and when I was a senior,
so I was, what was that?
22?
And she was 18?
No, 23.
I was 23.
And so I was walking in, it wasfall semester and I was going

(01:40:05):
to the lunchroom and I stopped.
I was like, okay, well, Iwonder if anybody's here that I
know, and I'm sitting therescanning a line.
Now a little bit about me.
Over the course of my years,growing up and on, into the
dating years and everything else, I always prayed at some point
Lord, you know, guide me towardsmy wife.

(01:40:26):
You know, help me to recognizeher when she comes.
And, and you know, whenever Idated somebody, I would
invariably say Lord, if this isthe one, please make it work,
and if it's not, well, end it sothat it doesn't work anymore.
And it was such an efficientprayer because it worked every
single time, that I stoppedpraying it every once in a while

(01:40:46):
, because I was afraid of theanswer Every relationship ended.
Oh my gosh, every single one,and it was almost instantaneous
every time.
So, anyway, here I am, I'mscanning the lunchroom and my
eyes go down the line and I stopright on her and I'm staring at
her and in my mind I hearthere's your wife and I was like

(01:41:08):
I don't even know her name.
That's.
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Pretty wild story.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
So I said, okay, well then, christendom always has a
luau in the fall to kind ofacclimate and introduce people
so that everybody gets to knoweach other.
It's it's like this bigcollege-wide dance, except it's
outside yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
They should really do the hawaiian pigeon bible
readings at it oh, that would befun, that would be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
so, uh, they're playing music and people are
playing volleyball and dancingaround and and so I go out and I
see her and I was like I'll askher to dance.
So I did and she danced well,and I love dancing anyway.
So we danced together and thenwe danced again and then we
spent most of the evening justcontinuing to dance.

(01:42:03):
And now sometimes Christendomwould have a what they called
the military ball.
So in the fall they would havethis military ball where people
would dress up in either uniformor in period gear or whatever
1940s, and it was a big swingdance and sometimes they'd have

(01:42:25):
a dance competition.
And I said you know, theysometimes have a dance
competition and you dance prettywell, maybe we should pair up
and practice.
You entered a dance competitionwith her.
Well, we practiced for a dancecompetition.
The competition never happened.
Practiced for a dancecompetition?

(01:42:48):
Uh, the competition neverhappened.
But our week nights, some ofour week nights and our weekends
were spent just gettingtogether and dancing.
And uh, it's a lot more romanticthan anthony telling his wife
she'd look hot if she got herbraces off like all right, let
michael finish the story andthen I'll tell my kids we have
any newbies in the audience so,so, within a month, we we

(01:43:10):
started dating, but I had towait four years for her to
college, and then, uh, we gotmarried.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Uh, a month after she graduated did you, did you guys
ever have like a rough periodin your marriage or everything?

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
marriage or well dating?
Yeah, not, no.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
Well, I just mean like because marriage is hard
right, like there's likesometimes it's financial
struggles, sometimes you're justbickering, you're not getting
along like growing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Yeah, you know there's always growing to be
done.
There were there were differentperiods in in our marriage
where I made realizations thatgosh.
You know she doesn't like it.
When I come home from work andthe first thing I I do is I plop
on the Xbox and I play afootball game.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
She doesn't like it when I call people retarded fags
.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Yeah, but I and you know she she's very sanguine, so
she's very accommodating, butshe also is very expressive and
there are times when I couldtell that she was hurt and I
would.
It would cause me to reevaluateand I would say, okay, when I
was a child, I spoke as a child,I did childish things, but now

(01:44:14):
that I'm an adult, I need to putaway these childish things.
And so I had to grow up.
I had some growing up to do andI had to put away those things
that I'd always enjoyed as abachelor and say I really
shouldn't be playing video gamesand you know, maybe I shouldn't
, we, we should, we should getrid of the tv.
I don't think we really need it.
What games did you play?
Oh, you know, football mostly,but um, it's not like I was.

(01:44:40):
Uh, I mean we, we didn't have,he wasn't he wasn't playing
Fortnite and it didn't exist.
I think that was all after meanyway.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Yeah, we we had me and my wife had a couple of
rough years.
Man, it was just like therewere periods where, like,
everything I said annoyed herand everything she said annoyed
me, and it was just like, allright, we just have to give each
other a little space.
And it's been like the past,like since since COVID, since
2020, especially like I've, Ithink our, like me and her were

(01:45:16):
just talking about it.
It was like we've never had aperiod this long where we were
just like excited to see eachother every day and like, I
don't know, she's just like headover heels over me and stuff.
It's very weird.

Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
And then you saw your two exes.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Yes, Everything kind of went.
Hey why over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Well, you know, one one time cause my wife she does
some spiritual reading and thenI do some spiritual reading and
and every once in a while weshare what we're reading about,
and but there was one pointwhere she was reading something
and it really stuck with her andshe she described that love in
marriage is trying to outdo theother in generosity.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
And the I mean she came across that statement or
that quote.
I don't know where she found it, but it was one of those things
that she said to me that stuckwith me big time, and so I try
to remember that.
And I try to remember if I'mgoing to really try to get as
much out of this marriage as Ipossibly can, I need to be as
generous as possible with mywife, and it really goes down to

(01:46:19):
what, uh, what St Paul exhorteduh of of the men and women in
marriage.
You know, men, you know, giveyourself love, your wife, as
Christ loved the church, whichis a sacrificial love.
You have to lay down your life,you have to be willing to die
to yourself and then in reality,if needs be, for the sake of
your bride.

(01:46:39):
And if I'm not willing to dothat, then what am I doing?

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
I think all three of us are very fortunate in the
women we met absolutely becauseI I've taught.
I was talking to a friend theother day and he was like you
know, he's a very catholic guyand he's like you know, you get
married and you don't realizethe woman you're married to
until like years later.
And then you start to find allthese things about her where,

(01:47:06):
like, she takes advantage of themale instinct especially as a
Catholic man, where your, yourinstinct is to be a sacrificial
man and, like you, kind ofbecome a doormat.
And then all of a sudden thatlike, like, there's nothing,
there's not really much of achemistry between the two of you
anymore and the kids.
You start bickering over how toraise the kids and then the

(01:47:28):
next thing, you know, you'relike roommates and there's
nothing there between you.
You know, and it's like I don'tknow, I don't know for you, for
you younger guys that are stillwatching and like and, and
you're trying to figure that out, like, it's very important,
because what you just said aboutthe, if you both go into a
marriage and you're both,instead of looking at it, well,

(01:47:50):
she didn't do this for me, shedidn't do this for me If you're
both going into it, looking like, how can I like sweep her off
her feet today and she's lookingat it like how can I dote on my
man today?
You know like you just have sucha happier home.
You know like, like I came hometoday and I got home a little
early and she knew I had a showtonight and I walked in and
she's like, are you hungry?
I'm like I'm like, yeah, Icould eat.

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And she's like I'm like I'llfind something.
Like don't worry about it.
Like she had something to dotonight.
She's not home tonight andshe's like scrambling to make me
something.
I'm like, stop worrying.
Like I'm going to, I'll make asandwich.
Like it's not that big of adeal.
Like relax.
She's like, no, no, no, I wantto make sure everything's fine,
but that took a while.
Like it wasn't always on thegiving that we should have, not
what we get out of it.

(01:48:31):
And when we start to look atour marriages as, what can I
give to my wife?
What?

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
can I give to my family that you find a huge
sense of peace.
You know what is it that makesus angry, you know it just

(01:49:02):
Anthony.
Rob, you freaking come out withgems every once in a while, but
just just the nature of anger.
What is it that that makes?
That causes anger?
Anger is caused becausesomething happened that is

(01:49:24):
outside of your control, that isagainst your will.
That's the source of anger.
That's what causes us to beangry.
Something happened that isagainst my will.
I didn't want it to happen.
Or something didn't happen thatI wanted to happen, so it
didn't happen, which is againstmy will, so it's a thwarting of

(01:49:47):
the will.
But when we enter into themarriage and you say I want to
give as much as I can, I want togive my wife what I can, I want
to give my children what I can,that giving you have complete
and total control over, whichmeans everything that you give
is in accordance with your willand there's nothing to be angry

(01:50:07):
about, especially if you don'thave any expectations.
And that's the hardest part isyou have to sever the
expectations and say I'm goingto give because it's the right
thing to do, I'm going to givebecause it is the loving thing
to do and I don't care what theresponse is.
But if the response is good,well, so much the better.
But if you don't place anexpectation on it, then you

(01:50:30):
can't get angry because youdon't have any will to be
thwarted.
So a lot of it has to do withtaming the will, which is why
the saints tell us to practicethe virtues.
And how do we practice thevirtues?
If you want to be patient,practice patience.
If you want to be temperate,tap, practice temperance.
You, you have to say I'm goingto deny something of myself so

(01:50:54):
that I can achieve some good, sothat I can master this aspect
of my will which needs masteringso somebody said uh, modern
marriage is basically, um, youstick together until you don't
feel love anymore and then yougo and move on and get an
annulment or something.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
I saw that comment.
I can't find it now.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Yeah, well, that's kind of how it's handled.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Um, okay, so I'm going to.
Um, rob, I just sent yousomething, but don't click on my
thing.
Click on the quote tweet.
You know, like I quote tweetedsomething.
So Trad Girl, she wrote a tweetand this is a good one to bring
up.
People have took the pictures,people have said that in locals.
Michael, hilarious, they gotyou in a Mario Bob.

(01:51:37):
Pull that picture up, Not untilyou say it right.
Mario, it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:51:42):
Mario, no, not until.
You say it right, mario, it'snot Mario, not until you say it
right, all right, mario.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
It's.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Mario.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
You got to see this picture, michael, you as a gamer
.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Oh my gosh, they made my face look fat and everything
All right, so Rob the tweet Ijust said, so don't show mine
yet.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Mine is the conclusion, but I want to so
bring up the tweet I just said,so don't show mine yet.
Mine is the conclusion, but Iwant to so bring up a track
girl's tweet what she said,because it's like this beautiful
thing this is, this is adilemma.
I want to see how you boyshandle this.
Michael, do you have to run?
I feel terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:52:16):
It's late before, before he runs, he's got to tell
us stories from the conferencethat he was.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Everyone in the chat.
Oh, they gotta wait for that.
No, no, we're doing this.
And then we'll get to michael'sstories from the conference
okay, oh crap, I just unsharedmy screen.
Give me a second, here we go westill got a very big live chat
in the on the local server.
I don't off tomorrow so I'm notin a rush to like All right.

(01:52:48):
So she said marriage isindissoluble.
Adultery is no exception andeverybody's cheering for that
Because I think most people'sminds go to well, the husband
with the little infidelity withthe husband, the wife has no
right to leave him.
Then go to my tweet.
Go to my tweet because this isan interesting story.

Speaker 5 (01:53:14):
Do you want the video ?
Yeah, let's play the video.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
So now this girl is.

Speaker 7 (01:53:25):
She was a high school , were you aware?

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
do you want to talk?
I'll give a setup before youplay it.
So this girl's a high schoolteacher and she groomed her 15
year old student, all right, anduh, she's very attractive.
And she, you know, she groomedthis student and the student
finally broke it off.
And then the mother saw textmessages and now the woman's

(01:53:51):
facing like 50 counts againsther, but the husband is standing
by her.
Now look how they'reembarrassing this husband.
Look what they say to him.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Are those 52 new charges?

Speaker 9 (01:54:03):
How do you feel?
How do you feel knowing she wassneaking this child into your
home and hiding any evidence?

Speaker 6 (01:54:10):
judge mia mcpherson denied christina.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Now she is being charged with like 50 counts of
child grooming or whatever.
Sure, um?
But let's say something likethat happens to your wife.
She's very remorseful and shewants to make amends and you
have a sacramental marriage Ithink the question question is

(01:54:35):
whether it is or not whetherwhat is what we're not whether
it is a marriage

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
well, if they went before the lord and they made
vows and those vows were validand they were said without any
coercion, then it's a validmarriage and that's, that's the
end of it.
Um, and that marriage cannot bedissolved by any means, for any
reason, and and that's that'sthe end of it.

(01:55:04):
That does not mean that thespouse has to stick by the side
of their offending spousethrough the course of a
particular trial.
So suppose your spouse murderedyour children?
Okay, and that's happened, thatin fact, there's a case of that
right now, where a husbandmurdered his two children and

(01:55:27):
then ran to canada.
Um, there's no reason that thewoman would ever have to welcome
him to the house at all.
Okay, now it would be anextraordinary grace if he came
back remorseful and wanted toreconcile, and it would be an
extraordinary grace for her toat least be welcoming of him

(01:55:50):
into the household, to theextent that that could happen,
but it's not an obligation.
So at certain points there is avalid reason for separation.
A valid reason for separation,and you're supposed to be
talking to your priest or yourbishop and getting permission

(01:56:11):
for separation in such cases,and they have to be pretty
extreme, usually with the ideaof reconciling at some point,
but something egregious likethat, like your spouse murdered
your children or something tothat extent there would be no
obligation of remarriage oranything along those lines.

(01:56:36):
But at the end of the day it'sa matter of look, there's a
grace, there's forgiveness.
But if there's a damaged orharmed relationship, you don't

(01:57:01):
have to reconcile, you justdon't.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
Well, it's kind of the grace you're talking about.
It's kind of like.
I mean, what we're talkingabout is what Catherine of
Aragon dealt with right Like shewas humiliated.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
She will be canonized .
I think I do too.

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
If there's ever a woman who should have a cult
around her and be canonized itis her.
I mean the humiliation that poorwoman endured and she never for
a second, ever, gave in.
She said, no, henry is my, myrightful husband.
Our marriage is sacramental,and that is that, like she never
budged on that.
And that's really the point ofthe church not granting

(01:57:41):
annulments willy-nilly.
It's like it's for the harmedspouse.
Because that, because catherinenever moved on and went and
married somebody else, she said,no, I'm a faithful catholic.
I will never, like henry, yougo, be as dubious as you want.
You want to go to hell, that'son you, but I will never not be
the faithful wife I.
I promised myself to you and Itook a vow before God.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
So, catherine, oh, there you go again.
Henry, why are you bringing upfreezing?

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
So, like situations like that, though, like I do
think if one of the spouses hasa moment of infidelity and like
you know, like if the guy goesout and gets drunk and he makes
a mistake or the girl getscaught up and she has like a
fling, like I do think there isan obligation to reconcile if
the the one that this, if theoffending spouse is seeking that

(01:58:31):
, like I do so, like like trevortrevor, uh trevor from uh
tridentine said to that tweet hesaid a lot of people giving
this guy crap.
Uh, he said lots of peopleragging on that guy.
But to forgive and be by yourwife after a betrayal and crime
like that is her is heroic Iagree.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
I agree, now, there's no obligation for him to do
this and I I think that he heshould at least to some extent
acknowledge the harm done to the, to the young man yeah um you.
You can't separate what, oh no.

Speaker 5 (01:59:07):
I don't know why they did it, but Anthony, a rabbi.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
Yes, the harm done to the kid, that's an important
part, right?
I think so, I think so, so, butfor the people to berate him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
That's an important part, right?
I think so.
I think so.
So, but for the people toberate him like this, as if he
what's he supposed to do?
Turn around and say youhorrible human being, I have
nothing to do with you.
Slap, slap.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
Yeah, I mean, come on , that's just, it's just the
whole world is laughing at youand just like calling you a cock
and it's just like.
That is a brutal humiliation togo through.
But it's also probably aredemptive suffering, like if
you know, especially if youcould save your wife's soul

(01:59:55):
through it.
Like, let's, like that's,that's a huge part of like.
If this guy is thinking likethat, like there is there's a
redemption arc in that story,it's just so incredibly
humiliating I don't know.
I mean, god bless the guy for,like, if he's doing it for the
right reason.

Speaker 5 (02:00:11):
Bobby in the chat made a good point.
If the roles were reversed theywould never uh never berate the
wife no, never no.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
And on top of that, uh, a lot like, when I saw a
comment in the chat, somebodysaid, uh, they were like yeah,
the kid, you know the kid's thegoat, oh, you know this and that
like, let me tell you something.
I used to think that like, butuntil I saw, like, the
psychopathy of these women thatdo this, because you see these
stories all the time.
Now it's like teacher has anaffair with her 16 year old

(02:00:43):
student, like there's somethinggoing on, especially with modern
women, where this is kind ofwhy I wanted to talk about
marriage a little bit tonight,because especially if you marry
couples, married men like youhave to make sure you're like
women, are they?
They're very like if they don'tfeel seen.
Oh, and then somebody showsthem some attention, especially

(02:01:07):
in the modern world and theirown social media.
I just see this story happeningover and over and over again
and it's like I don't know mannot to mention what their
secular, you know, femalefriends are telling them are
telling them right Like well,this is why I think that it's
important for husbands to praywith their wives.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
I mean, there's there's obvious, the obvious,
obviously, the intimacy ofraising a family, but there's
something even more intimateabout leading your, leading your
wife in prayer.

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
Yeah, yeah, my, my wife actually said to me
yesterday she was like you savedus.
I was like what do you mean?
She's like your conversion andyou going back to mass, like you
saved the whole family.
And she didn't mean like I'mJesus or something, she just
meant like me taking on the roleof priest in the home.

(02:02:02):
Like saved our family, like itsaved our marriage, it saved our
children, everything.
Like the, the purposeful way ofliving, sitting and talking
with my children about God allthe time.
Like my daughters.
I remember Like havingconversations with my daughters
just and telling them like yourdad loves you way too much to

(02:02:22):
ever let you be taken advantageof by a guy.
Like there's no scenario whereyou're just going to go date
some guy.
Like it's not happening.
Like if you ever meet a guy, hehas to come here and I need to
approve of this man.
He's going to court you.
This is going to be like thisisn't just.
I'm not going to do what pastgenerations have done with their
daughters.
Like I'm going to be a veryactive participant Now if you

(02:02:42):
with their daughters.
Like I'm going to be a veryactive participant Now if you,
if you meet a young man whoisn't Catholic, like that's
something we can remedy, likelet me, let me speak with the
young man and we'll like,because so many of these young
men don't have fathers and theirfathers aren't leading them to
God, and it's like I think a lotof young men are starving for
some kind of a male figure intheir life, to be the priest in
their lives, because they don'thave them, and I think that's an

(02:03:05):
important part for us as men,if we have daughters
specifically I agree yeah oh,all right, we got any, we got
any.
Oh, let's see, let's hear, okay.
So yeah, let's finally get toit.
What do you have coming down?
Because I spoke with nicholascavazos and he told me he spent
some time down with you in sanantonio.
He, like Anthony, he's got somecrazy things coming down the

(02:03:26):
pike.
Now you said you couldn't gettoo specific, but it's locals.
You can push the limit with us,Michael.
You got some dirt, you can pushit.
Nobody ever repeat what youhear on the.
What Happens on Locals stays onLocals.

Speaker 5 (02:03:40):
Until we put the clip on YouTube no, I won't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, um how much can you?
so I'll start with the uh, thearchbishop wester story.
Uh, I have proof thatarchbishop wester reinstated a
man who left the priesthood,moved to San Francisco, got

(02:04:07):
same-sex married, was living ina thruple because the person
that he married was also marriedto another man and they were
all living under the same roof.
That ended in a divorce in 2017.
This priest, who actively andopenly advocated for same-sex

(02:04:33):
marriage on his facebook page,still has it there.
Um continues to advocate forlgbtq ideologies and all that
garbage.

Speaker 5 (02:04:42):
We finally got James Martin.

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
Yes, yeah, was reinstated by Archbishop Wester.
In that reinstatement, he wasthen made the pastor of a parish
.
He was also made the dean of adeanery.
He was also elevated to thetribunal of the diocese, which

(02:05:05):
means he's judging annulments.
Yeah, and I'm trying to getproof of this.
But I'm also told that he isliving with this priest.
The bishop is Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5 (02:05:23):
What diocese is this?

Speaker 3 (02:05:25):
santa fe, new mexico, archbishop, who happens to be
the episcopal moderator of theauscp how do I like, how do I
like I understand people thatsee that stuff and they're like
yeah, I'm going orthodox, like Ilike you don't see that kind of
a mess.

(02:05:45):
Oh, yeah, going on anywhere,but in our, in our our orthodox
have that yeah yeah, but it'snot like this, no one cares,
because it's the orthodox yeah,but it's not like this.
Where it's like this, it's likethey've gotten this well, they
don't have the same authorityand power.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
That, yeah, that all bishops do.

Speaker 3 (02:06:05):
I'm not trying to defend orthodoxy in any way.
I'm just saying like Iunderstand when people see this
kind of stuff, like the scandalit causes, and people are just
like ew, this is so disgustingand it's like when the hell is
there any kind of consequencefor any of this stuff?
Death.

Speaker 5 (02:06:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
Yeah, you're right, you want any of this stuff.
Death yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:26):
You want to know something, though, rob, that's
actually a good point, likethere's something beautiful
about being catholic and knowingthat justice will be served in
the end, no matter what theythink they get away with right,
right, one of the things that I,you know, mike lewis was
defending, uh, pope francisthere in the comments when we
were on the youtube side ofthings and I got a little testy

(02:06:50):
with lewis there in theconversation but he was saying
things like yeah, but you know,pope francis never, you know,
did anything that was contraryto this or contrary to that.
Let me tell you something.
Pope francis lauded a wholebunch of active communists.
We're talking carl marx, hammerand sickle toting communists,
not your typical, you know, potsmoking, college campus marxist.

(02:07:13):
We're talking revolutionarycommunists.
He had an organization calledum, um, um, mst, which stands
for uh, movemento, uh, something, trabantahoros.
And MST is a communist party, anactual communist party.

(02:07:38):
And they burn the crops, thecrop fields of local farmers,
they squat on local farmers'farms, damaging their property,
and they act in revolutionagainst the local government.
And Pope Francis brought theminto Rome, put them in a video

(02:08:01):
for the Vatican and wascelebrating them and saying how
wonderful they are, along withseveral other actual communist
groups.
So when Mike Lewis is on thereand he starts saying things
about well, he never didanything against the church and
he never said anything, look, hedidn't change any doctrine.
And I'm not saying he did, butthe example that he gave was

(02:08:24):
awful.
It was awful and his governancewas terrible what do you make
of?

Speaker 3 (02:08:30):
um, what the hell is his name?
Uh, father altman.
How bombastic he is about theway he talks about stuff I'm not
a fan.

Speaker 2 (02:08:37):
Nope, nope, nope, nope like today.

Speaker 3 (02:08:40):
He tweeted he's like I saw that only was burning in
hell.
It's like all right chill outman.
Come on, yeah, like that shouldscare the crap out of anybody
and you should just be like god.
Please be merciful to me.
I know that's that's like to,to like glee and somebody
burning, and no, that's, that'sarrogance.

Speaker 2 (02:08:56):
It's arrogance and and I have no stomach for that,
just like I have no stomach forthe things that that pope
francis was doing.

Speaker 3 (02:09:02):
So I I do understand that, I do understand the, I
understand the anger Iunderstand sure and not even,
not even that, like saying likeI would never want to face his
judgment, like I understand that, but like to, to be like he's
burning and I don't know.
I just I'm like god, please bemerciful to francis, like
honestly, because I know I don't, I, I want the most merciful

(02:09:26):
judgment I could possibly faceand I don't, I don't know, I
don't, I don't wish that uponanybody, right?
Yep, michael, this was fun, man.
You went two and a half hourswith us.
I needed your own show today.
How did the how'd it go atCologne?
I didn't watch that yet.

(02:09:48):
Oh, great, it was a lot of fun.
You'll have to watch itafterward.
I'm gonna.
I do.
I always, I always watch yourshow.
He's brilliant.
So, yeah, he is.
We have to figure out aschedule with him because he's
he's, he's one of those uhcatholic thinkers that never
like got involved in the fray ofof like the arguments about the
pipe visit, but like he alwaysjust had such brilliant takes on
monarchy and you know thingslike that.
It's just we're gonna have toget him on.
Oh, man, tell your wife, uh, weloved hearing about your uh

(02:10:11):
meeting story tonight.
Tell her thank you for uhgiving us your time tonight, man
.
We always love having you onbrother all right, it was.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
It was a pleasure I, and it was great meeting nick.
That was a lot of fun too.
He's taller than I thought heis.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
He's like six something right, yeah, yeah,
yeah, he looks small when he'ssitting in that chair because
he's he's like down here yeah,yeah oh look, how little he is
he was on.
He was on with uh, drkwajanewski.
I started watching an episodethey did and it was like I was
very impressed by how he's ableto hold his own in a group of

(02:10:48):
like well-seasoned guys in thetrad movement and he just he
knows exactly what to like, whento slip in a comment and he
holds his own with.
And that's a hard thing, likewhen you're in your early 20s,
like that you're like it'sintimidating, like you're going
out.
You're going to sit down withdr question.
He's 27 he is now, but it'sstill.
It's impressive to see.

(02:11:08):
Well, I know him as nick andhe's he's like a little brother
man, I don't know, but he is animpressive uh young guy to watch
in that atmosphere.
I was very proud of him yeahyeah, um, but let's see Anthony
and Hitchwater shorties.
I'm like five, nine.
I think Rob's five, 10.
How old are you?

(02:11:29):
Five, eight, five, nine,michael.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
I'm five 11, five, 11 .

Speaker 3 (02:11:32):
He's taller than me?
Yeah, all right, I rememberbeing eye level with you.
I'm not particularly short.
You're not like jason.
No, jason's like five, five,not like luigi.
Luigi's a midget.
Yeah, it's funny.
Like, as we're getting older,right, like you start looking at

(02:11:55):
guys like for me, all right,I'm 43 and it's like I start
looking at guys that are like 10years older than me and I'm
like, oh, I'm like I betterstart taking care of myself
because, like it could go, itcould go one of two ways like
you could look 70 at 55 or youcould look 45 at 55.
If you don't maintain it likeit's, it's an important time for

(02:12:16):
, like, once you hit 40, youstart just like sizing people up
and you're like, man, all theseguys in their 30s, I'm having
conversations with them and theysee me as the older guy.
Now where these guys in their30s I'm having conversations
with them and they see me as theolder guy now where I'm like I
feel like I'm still talking tosomebody my own age, like I
don't think anything of it, likewe're having younger guys on
and I feel like I'm speaking tolike, uh, I feel like I'm
talking to a, uh, a peer.

(02:12:37):
But they're like yo unk, whatup unk.
I'm the old man.
That's funny.
I drank.
This is my fifth beer.
I'm not lit.
I've never been drunk in mylife, okay.

Speaker 5 (02:12:58):
I've never been drunk .

Speaker 3 (02:13:00):
Guys, five beers, I'm drunk, Come on.

Speaker 5 (02:13:01):
Stop it, Anthony.
I saw photos of your fingerfacing the wrong direction one
night.

Speaker 3 (02:13:05):
That wasn't my drunkenness.
That was Nicole's cousin'sdrunkenness.

Speaker 5 (02:13:09):
You said it didn't hurt all that bad because of how
intoxicated you were.

Speaker 3 (02:13:11):
I barely felt it, but I still was not drunk and I
made sure the cops didn't arresthim because I was sober enough
to keep them calm.

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
He should have went to jail that night, but I'll
tell you that story next timeyou're on, michael, don't worry
I have some wild stories, manwell, one of these days I'm
gonna go on on vacation withyour family michael, you would
have the best freaking time.

Speaker 3 (02:13:36):
You have no idea my family is fun to hang with, but
uh, yeah, we should actually.
Oh, I hear it's considered awhite martyrdom we'll get you
back on soon, michael.
I love talking with you, man.

Speaker 5 (02:13:48):
It's always fun bobby says he's seen you drunk more
than he's seen you sober shut up, bobby.

Speaker 3 (02:13:53):
I've never been drunk .
I'm buzzed like heavily buzzed,like heavy buzz, but never
drunk.
I've never lost my faculties.
I've never been like slurringmy words, or maybe like when I
was young, but I, I, I, I, Ihandle my liquor very well.
So, all right, michael, you too, I've seen you put a few down.

(02:14:16):
I'm drunk with michael.
Michael keeps this.
You never know.
You didn't even know he had asip of liquor.
He's like, yeah, somebody,someone goes.

Speaker 5 (02:14:25):
What about the do your stream man?
You were two martinis away fromblacking out.
No, I was not.

Speaker 3 (02:14:30):
I was totally, totally on my game.
I was just trying to beentertaining for everybody.
Yes, I want to figure out aconference with us, though,
michael, you bet let's figurethat out.
So whether we do it or somebodydoes it, we're gonna figure
that out.
So all we'll let Michael go.
He's probably sitting in thesame position for three and a
half hours at this point, so wewill see you guys on.

(02:14:50):
We might do a Monday Wednesdayschedule next week, cause next
Thursday is my 20 yearanniversary.
I can't stream on Thursday, butwe might do Monday Wednesday
next week.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
Sound good.

Speaker 3 (02:15:05):
He's sound good.
He's gonna have his nextgirlfriends on.
It'll be fun.
I'll try to.
I'll try to have some funstories for next week when we
come on.
All right, guys, thank you forjoining us.

(02:15:35):
Take us out, thank you.

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