October 15, 2025 • 60 mins
A microphone squeal, a sarcastic wine ad, and then the floor drops out. We go from laughs to the fault lines running through Catholic life right now: a made-for-camera stunt at an ICE facility framed as “Eucharist denied,” diocesan letters pushing Latin Mass communities to fold into “reverent” alternatives, and families who built their lives around stable liturgy wondering where to go this Sunday. We don’t dress it up—trust breaks when sacraments and headlines get blended for optics.
We walk through Knoxville’s announcement, the signals from Rome’s DDW, and what the first week’s numbers look like when a thriving TLM map gets redrawn. Behind every statistic is a home sale, a homeschool co-op, and a seven-year-old who just lost the friends he prays with. We press the claim that liturgy forms people: habits at the altar shape what your conscience tolerates on Monday. That doesn’t deny validity; it insists that culture matters and that “reverent Novus Ordo” promises feel thin when the same authorities hint they’ll remove kneelers if challenged.
Cardinal Robert Sarah’s voice serves as a compass: encourage those who actually practice the faith. We contrast that fatherly posture with an impulse to homogenize—whether in worship or in how leaders talk about identity and assimilation. The throughline is consistent: distinct forms, memories, and practices keep people rooted. Erase them and you get a bland surface where convictions evaporate. We wrestle with obedience, courage, and prudence without pretending there’s a single neat answer. Endure what purifies; resist where your duty to your family demands it. And stop popesplaining people’s pain—compassion is not disloyalty.
Along the way we share bright threads: a young seeker finding the Latin Mass, a Protestant pastor-turned-Catholic who brought seventeen souls with him, and a reminder that different voices in the Church play different roles. If worship shapes belief, then the task is simple and hard: guard the forms that train hearts to love God, name the costs honestly, and build communities that don’t fold when the memo arrives. If this resonates, subscribe, share the episode with a friend who needs it, and leave a review so more displaced Catholics can find a lifeline.
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Yo, it was a rough, it was arough couple of days, man.
(03:26):
Like just it was it was the umthe the the clown show in
Chicago with the uh the clownshow in Chicago with the uh the
the was it a bishop or was it apriest?
SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
It was a priest, some priest, some Jesuit priest.
SPEAKER_02 (03:44):
Um okay, so Ice denies a group of Christians
request for entry to BroadviewIce facility uh to bring
communion to the teinees.
If nobody saw this video, playthe video real quick.
What uh not the whole thing, butjust show it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
What video?
SPEAKER_02 (03:58):
I sent it's in the group chat, not the group chat.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
Once again, lots in the chat, but uh uh if you
scroll up, okay.
I think I got it.
Scroll up.
This is like one of the only theone that's seven minutes long.
SPEAKER_02 (04:09):
Yeah, just play a clip of it so people get a
because a lot of people aren'ton Twitter like we are, and they
didn't see this.
So this is a priest goes to aniced detention facility, a
Jesuit priest, and puts on ashow.
SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
No prior notification to the facility.
But somehow all the reportersknew about it.
SPEAKER_02 (04:45):
Yeah, that's about it.
I mean, whatever.
It's a so the news story is thatIC is denying Christians'
request for the Eucharist.
Like there are there are properchannels to go through for a
priest if he wants to visitprisoners.
And and there are there are justproper proper channels you could
(05:06):
go through.
Um these men, it's these are thesame men who disappeared for
months during a cold.
SPEAKER_05 (05:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (05:18):
None of none of them cared about the people dying in
hospitals who were on theirdeathbed.
None of them were lining up,marching the Eucharist around
during COVID, none of that.
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Same type of man that you know denied my father
the apostolic pardon, same typeof man that will uh you know
excortiate you for kneeling toreceive the Eucharist, same type
of man that won't baptize yourchild, won't won't tell you you
should convert, same type of manwho will tell your wife in the
confessional that uh that umusing uh birth control isn't a
(05:50):
sin.
Yeah, same type of same type ofmessage.
SPEAKER_02 (05:53):
We're just at a point where they they wear
Catholicism like a skin suit.
Um it's all for a politicalcharade.
Um and we're getting the messagefrom everywhere now that it's
basically you you can't beconservative and Catholic.
That's essentially the messageyou're getting.
(06:14):
You can't be Catholic andCatholic, basically.
We'll get there.
We'll get there.
Um, but just the political angleof all this, um, because this
all plays into the conversationabout Supic and Dick Durbin and
the comments Leo made aboutbeing pro-life last week.
(06:36):
All of this kind of goestogether, and it just it gives
these men cover to use the faithas this political tool for
leftist uh infiltration, andit's also uh freaking
aggravating.
Um it's like I don't I don't thethe the thing is where we are
(06:59):
now is that the message iscoming from the highest points
that this is this is this is theway to go with it.
Like you had that that clip ofLeo speaking with Bishop Seats
and a couple of other bishopssaying the church needs to be
more united and combat thisstuff because he watched some
emotional video of um migrantsbeing raided and stuff.
(07:21):
But I mean we talked about thison the last episode, but it's
just this is this is the farcethat they're trying to put forth
as the Catholic faith.
They're they're trying to be weused to group around and say,
like, um what was the what wasthe saying we used?
It was like uh the US C C B isthe Democratic Party at prayer
or something.
I think that's that's what weused to say, right?
(07:43):
Uh who I think it was like thelike a common saying, like the
US C C B basically the theDemocratic Party at prayer, but
this is becoming like the wholechurch, like not and I don't
mean the church, but like thethe the institution, the
institution is becoming just thedemocratic party at prayer, and
it's just this stuff is just sodemoralizing.
(08:05):
So it started with that.
Um, ain't nobody watching thekids.
Oh no, but we do have to sayplease hit like and subscribe.
And there's something weirdgoing on with the notification
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anyways, that even if you'resubscribed to a channel, your
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(08:40):
No, because I don't ever pressit for anyone I follow.
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No, and the thing is, it's not like you just get
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So maybe just hit it once andthen unsubscribe for
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I don't know if that'll help,but whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Well, give it a month or two, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:58):
Um it yeah, so Sunday started off with that
charade, and then yesterday wasuh Knoxville comes down with
their announcement.
And what's bizarre about thisannouncement, um, it can't it
came out in like a in anannouncement first, and then the
(09:20):
the homily the priest read wasjust such gaslighting insanity.
It was I I mean, I don't know ifwe should go through that whole
homily, but it was just totalinsanity of them.
Uh the all right, so look, whatdon't we do this?
Why don't we highlight this guy,Andrew Lakudis' um tweet?
(09:42):
Because I actually I sawconservatives snapping back at
this, and even I think Dr.
Kważnevsky challenged this.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
Yeah, I don't see anything I actually dislike.
SPEAKER_02 (09:53):
Oh, okay.
I thought you said you couldn'tfind the tweet.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
No, I I didn't disagree with his uh assessment,
assessment of it.
Me neither.
SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
Oh, he's not on our side, he's definitely not on our
side.
But that's the thing, we have tostart listening to that side
because that side seems to knowbetter than we do at this point.
So, according to the diocese ofKnoxville, the Dicastery for the
divine worship.
So this was I pointed this outto everybody because everybody
saw that you know Knoxville wasdoing that, and they're like,
No, Leo doesn't.
I'm like, No, no, no.
It says in the letter in thehomily from the priest, he says
(10:26):
that the DDW wrote to them andrequested that the diocese of
Knoxville finally implementtraditional custodas, which
which leads us to believe thisis not just going to be in
Knoxville, this is going to beevery diocese is going to get
that letter from the DDW, andthey're going to be asking them,
How are you implementingTraditionus Custodas?
(10:47):
So, according to the Diocese ofKnoxville, the Dicassery for
Divine Worship has justrequested the complete
transition of all the remainingdiocesan TLM churches to the
Novus Ordo before the feast ofChrist the King this year.
I think this is the clearestsignal to date that Pope Leo
intends to continue the pathchartered by Francis regarding
the Roman rite, solidifyingaround uh the third typical
(11:09):
edition of the Roman Missal, theNovus Ordo.
This will be difficult for manyto accept, but Pope Leo has made
clear that he believes for thosewho cherish the TLM, they will
find in the Novus Ordo withelements such as Latin Gregorian
chant, incense, and reverencecelebration what they need to
satisfy their legitimate theirlegitimate aspirations.
And this, without theideological divisions and
(11:29):
rejection of the post-conciliarmagisterium that for decades has
accompanied the continuedcelebration of the 62 missile.
(11:52):
It's just according to theNovusordo Missal, the mass of
Paul VI, he called it.
Um, and it seems like this isgoing to be.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
I mean, not not the hardcore trad, but uh but if the
numbers in Charlotte are to bebelieved from what they saw the
first weekend, so apparentlythey had 1200 people through the
four parishes or whatever thatoffered it weekly prior, they
had approximately 1200 weeklyTLM goers.
The new chapel the first weekhad about 500 people, and the
(13:31):
SSPX saw an increase of 50people, so that's 550 out of
1200.
That means the very first week,the first the week that everyone
should have been at a TLM toshow support for the TLM, half
the people gave up immediately.
Yeah.
And I think we're seeing thatthroughout other dioceses when
they actually closed the theTLM, the whole Marxist uh you
(13:56):
must obey sort of thing that wegot from the uh the priest in
Knoxville and his homily, uh, itdoes work on on most so-called
traditional Catholics.
SPEAKER_02 (14:09):
Yeah, this is this is a this is especially a
problem with those Catholics whojust kind of like the the
aesthetic, right?
Like if you just like theaesthetic and you still get some
Latin and Gregorian chin andit's a reverent liturgy, those
people will be satiated, youknow.
Um, people are sheep, it's notnecessarily a bad thing unless
the shepherds are replaced bywolves, which in my opinion has
(14:34):
been happening, it's beenhappening since the council, but
uh there's something drasticallydifferent.
Like, like Francis moved theoverton window so much that even
Leo backing off like slightly injust his delivery has kind of
(14:54):
like quelled everybody.
It's it's it's I I cannotbelieve how much the Overton
window has shifted because ofhow hard Francis pushed forward,
and then just the slightesteasing off the pedal has made
people go, oh, everything'sfine, everything's fine.
I mean, you know, we we we didit to a degree because you just
you just you don't like I don'teven I don't know.
(15:17):
I don't know.
Look, I'll say right off thebat, like I don't know what the
answer to this stuff is.
Like I don't I don't know.
I I don't know.
So if you guys are like lookingto to to my insights on what I
thought, like I don't know.
I I'm uh it's a very confusingtime in the church.
Um part of me thinks like thiswhole thing needs to like this
(15:40):
this charade you saw out inChicago, like whole thing needs
to come down, and that can'tcome down, like there can't be a
resurrection without a death.
So part of me is just likeaccelerate this thing, yeah,
kill kill it all, kill thediastone TLM.
Let's let's just let's go.
Like, let's just go, let's seewhat happens, you know.
And it's gonna be reallydifficult for those of us trying
(16:00):
to raise our children in thefaith, but I mean it's not it's
it's so much of it has just beena facade, and and I think I
don't know, man.
I don't know the answer to thisstuff.
I don't know.
I I I you know I I'm I'm glad tosee Wagner today came out and
said he's gonna stop Popesplaining.
(16:20):
I think that's a good thing.
Um, and part of that is probablybecause of conversations I've
had with him, um, partially atleast.
I'm sure he's come to his ownhis own uh conclusions on his
own.
But the the the whole idea ofPope spleening and just
defending everything the Popedoes because you think any kind
(16:40):
of any kind of comment againstsomething the Pope does is is
schismatic or something likethat, like that stuff needs to
end and people need to have alittle bit like we're talking
about families being rippedapart right now.
You're talking about people wholike we've we've talked about um
my my cousin's parish inKentucky.
Now that's an FSSP parish, sothey're safe, but for now,
(17:03):
right?
But do you know how many peoplemight have moved to Tennessee
and said, Okay, we have a stablemass community here.
SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
I'm gonna move one of my mutuals on Twitter, move
from Maine to Knoxville becauseof the TLM, and now it's gone.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
And people people were were doing that, like
making, especially during COVIDwhen everybody was like, I gotta
get out of the big cities, Igotta go somewhere more rural.
And you would base your move on,okay, is there somewhere I'll be
able to raise my children andfamily in the faith and have a
stable liturgical life because Idon't want to go through this
(17:39):
insanity.
Like we've talked about it whereyou and I were raised in the
Novos Ordo, we lost our faithfrom it.
We come back and we findtradition.
We're like, okay, I'm not gonnamake the same mistakes my
parents made and just assumethat my kids are picking
something up in CCD.
I'm gonna actively teach mychildren the faith, I'm gonna
try to bring some of thesecustoms and devotions into my
(18:01):
home life, and I'm gonna instillthe faith in my children.
I'm not gonna leave this to mywife, I'm gonna do it myself.
All these different things we'vepicked up, we're trying to do,
and all we got was scorn.
Yeah, all we got was scorn, andif you know, for all the talk of
religious liberty that came outof the council, it's like you
can have all the religious Godwills the diversity of religions
(18:23):
unless you're Catholic, unlessyou're unless you're Catholic,
because if you're Catholic, wehave to put an end to that
because God forbid peopleactually believe what the church
has always taught.
That is a scary thought, right?
That people people look at thecouncil of Trent and see the
catechism of Trent and thinkthat's Catholicism.
Oh no, we can't have that, likeit's insane.
(18:45):
Uh, hey guys, Lucas here, theguy you had on the local show a
while ago.
I'm in the diocese of Knoxville,and I've been pretty devastated
from this, don't know what I'mgonna do.
Um, so that was the conversationI had with Wagner even today.
Him and I spoke on the phone,and he was like, you know, I'm
I'm definitely not going to takethe approach I took under
(19:05):
Francis because he's like, Ithink it's having the opposite
effect of what we thought itwas.
Like we thought we weredefending the Pope, but really
like the gaslighting was toomuch for people.
And and I I just said to him, Isaid, Listen, you have to have
compassion for people that aregoing through what Lucas just
described, right?
He's down there, and now hedoesn't know where he's going to
go.
So I mean, is he gonna be stuckgoing to a reverent novus ordo?
(19:31):
I mean, how long will that beallowed or not?
And that's the and that's thething because the the priest in
his homily specifically said, ifyou guys give us a hard time
about this, we'll even take yourreverent novus or it's it's it's
very disheartening.
And I mean, I I don't know how Iknow you guys hate when I
(19:58):
blackfill.
I just don't know it's not howit's not apocalyptic.
Please tell me, Rob.
Please tell me how this is notapocalyptic.
SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
You know how you know what I said, I think it was
yesterday.
Right?
SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
I uh what's funny is I thought I was gonna have to
talk you off the ledge tonightwith some of the things you were
sending me, especially even thismorning.
Like, like the original title,Rob is gonna go.
I was like, let's back off thattitle a little bit.
Like, um because we do have tobe careful right now.
Like, it's not I I know I felteverybody's uh like
(20:36):
demoralization of frustration.
I I felt it, I feel it, and myand my and I haven't lost my
mask yet, but I I assume it'scoming.
Um and it's I I was worried Iwas gonna have to talk you up
the ledge because you were soangry.
Oh, I still am.
Yeah, but I think like I'm kindof glad we didn't have a show
yesterday because I think if wewould have jumped on in that
(20:59):
kind of heat, like I don't know,I might have said it.
Like, I I I tweeted out the thePope asked for money for
missions, and I was like, Youwon't get a dime from me.
I can't believe how muchpushback I got from that.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
But it's like it's like really, you are you people
serious?
What you haven't been able todonate to the your parish or the
diocese or Vatican for 20 years,and now you're like, give me a
break.
SPEAKER_02 (21:20):
You people never seen a Lepanto Institute video.
Like, have you guys neverlistened to what Michael
Hitchbook is?
It's like it's like, oh, supportour evangelistic efforts in an
in mission territory.
It's like, what do you thinkthey're teaching those people?
What do you honestly, what doyou think they're doing over
there?
They're they're they're givingthem like like um secular sex ed
(21:40):
programs, yeah.
They're they're tied to UNgovernmental programs and things
like that.
It's not it's not like they'reout evangelizing and preaching
like like the Jesuits did backwhen they were fighting against
the Protestant Reformation, likeit's just that's not what
they're doing anymore.
(22:01):
It's it's it's very difficult tonot see this as just a further
like deepening into the passionof the church.
And I know a lot of people getupset with us and they you know
they they think we're we'rewe're being divisive and stuff,
but I don't I don't I don't Idon't know.
I'm not gonna ever I'm not gonnaever not say how how how this
(22:26):
stuff like what it is like we wesee what it is.
The church has been there's beena hostile takeover of the
Catholic Church.
We're not talking the the crazything is these are all new
bishops, these are not likebishops who've been settled in a
diocese and know they're flawed,these are guys who came in.
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Sitka isn't the one who canceled Lynn Knoxville, no,
the new guy, it's the new guywho was appointed by Leo.
SPEAKER_02 (22:49):
And and Martin's over in Charlotte, he was
appointed by Francis, but butLeo was on the congregation for
bishops and and suggested him.
So this is uh this is apersonnelist policy thing, and I
know everybody everybody likesto say, like, yeah, but the
young priests are so trad, theyoung priests are so trad.
But that doesn't matter becauseif you have the guys at the top
(23:10):
choosing who becomes bishops,listen, under under John Paul II
and Benedict, and it's it'sthose it's those so trad young
priests that are telling us toshut up and obey.
SPEAKER_01 (23:19):
So excuse me if I don't trust them exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
Well, look, the thing is, man, I because I'm
very conflicted about thisbecause I've been really
thinking about the the passagein First Peter that we read the
other night.
Slaves be subject to yourmasters, not just the good ones,
but the the wicked ones too.
Like the ones who are froward,you have to also be obedient to.
So it's like there's there's athere is an opportunity for
(23:44):
sanctity in this.
There really is.
There's an opportunity forsanctity in this.
There always is, and and how howwe handle unjust suffering.
It's like like our Lord wasbefore the Sanhedrin, they spit
in his face, they smacked him,they pulled his beard out, and
he sat silently and took it, andthat was unjust, and he
(24:05):
shouldn't have obeyed them.
He was but he but there'ssomething there's something
about like holiness in in howyou react to this stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
But you don't I don't say you're not attaining
any grace by rolling over andletting your kids be harmed by
this BS.
SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
No, and also like there's no room in heaven for
cowards, is what uh vegan uhyeah, vegano said.
There's no room in heaven forcowards, right?
So it's like you you there look,this is a difficult thing.
It's like, okay, do I submit andtake my beating and just
nothing, or do I speak upbecause that's actually the
brave thing to do?
But like it's a it's a difficultthing, man.
(24:48):
It's not this isn't this isn'tjust so easy, and I and I
anybody who's like convincedthey have the right perspective,
you have to be cautious of thosepeople because I don't think any
of us know what the hell's goingon.
I think this is a reallyconfusing thing, but under under
John Paul II and Benedict, youhad them raising liberals to to
bishops, like they they justdid, but you also every once in
(25:11):
a while you get that CardinalBurke thrown in, you get that
Cardinal Surrath thrown in, youwould get that you're not gonna
get that now, and you haven'tgotten it for 10 years under
Francis.
All you got were guys thatthought like Francis for 10
years.
Now you're looking at another 20under Leo, right?
So I don't care if the nextgeneration of priests are trad
because it doesn't matter ifthey're bishops telling them
(25:33):
shut up and obey and do what Itell you.
Like, where is there room forthem to even be trad?
They're the the the new crop ofbishops that they're putting in
are ripping out altar rails andripping out kneelers, and
they're it's just insane whatthese guys are doing.
It's not just it's not look,yeah.
The the the in Knoxville,they're going about it a little
(25:53):
with a little bit more tastethan they did in Charlotte, like
it's a little bit more tastefulthan they did in Charlotte and
Charlotte.
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
And they learned their lesson a little.
SPEAKER_02 (26:01):
Possibly, right?
So it's a little more tasteful,but man, where where where do
you go if you're in Tennesseeand you want to go?
And like I I don't even know.
Like, what do you do?
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
Well, it it um it should be noted that eastern
Tennessee and Western NorthCarolina, they're those two
dioceses border each other.
You now have a whole section ofthat area of the country with L
TLMs now.
Nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (26:30):
Bring up bring up Carnel Sarah's interview.
I I want to talk about CarnelSarrat's interview.
Because he actually did I put itin there?
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
I think so.
Let me look for it.
I think I did.
SPEAKER_02 (26:44):
Um, on locals tonight, we got we got a little
bit of gossip tonight, too.
So we have uh I had a I talkedwith Milo.
Cameron O'Hearn reached out tous.
We gotta talk about CameronO'Hearn.
The nerve, the nerve on the wegotta talk about Cameron.
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Um I saw that email.
SPEAKER_02 (27:03):
I was like, Rob texts me, you're gonna die when
you see this.
I'm like, what?
And he's like, You're gonna andhe just texts me, you're gonna
die.
And I'm like, what do you meanI'm gonna die?
Like, what do you and then hewaits like three minutes before
he sends the thing?
I wanted to kill him.
Um, so uh we yeah, we have that.
We gotta talk about the the theleaked messages of the the young
Republicans, uh, and we gottatalk about Mel Gibson replacing.
SPEAKER_01 (27:27):
I was really disappointed in that group chat.
Me too.
It was so tame.
Really, guys?
That's all you've got.
Come on.
SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
We'll talk about that on the other side because
I've I've got to say some stuff.
But also, Mel Gibson hasreplaced Jim Cavizel.
Jim Cavizel.
He replaced Jesus.
He replaced he got a new Jesus.
Jim Cavizel will not be in thesequel to The Passion.
So we're gonna we're gonna talkabout that too over there.
So all right, so bring up umbring up Siraz.
(27:57):
Um I don't think we have to readthe whole thing.
Um bring up the yeah, I have it.
Okay, so you can go down to so Ithink that if the Pope tries to
see that it's not easy becausethe question is a matter of
faith.
How we believe is how we pray.
SPEAKER_01 (28:13):
If we don't have faith where the heck are you
here?
SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
Oh, scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.
Right there.
Yeah.
Um, so they're they're justasking him about um uh about the
traditional liturgy and stuff.
And he says, So I think thePope, if the Pope tries to see
that it's not not not easybecause the question is a matter
of faith, how we believe is howwe pray.
If we don't have faith, we can'ttake action.
(28:37):
If people don't believe, nothingwill change.
We continue to fight over theliturgy, we continue to bully
certain people.
Whereas, in fact, when we reallylook at the Christians who
practice today, they are theones who go to the traditional
mass.
So why forbid them?
On the contrary, we shouldencourage them.
I don't know what the Pope willdo, but he is aware of this
battle, he is aware of thisdifficulty.
(28:57):
Um, and then they ask him, Youhad the opportunity to speak
with him, and he also talkedabout Cardinal Burke saying the
traditional mass.
He said, Um, wait, where didwhere's that last line he said?
The Pope is the father of usall.
SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
Uh right here, it's right there.
SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
Oh, okay.
Wait, oh yeah, which will takeplace, but everyone's been
everyone must be given a space.
The Pope is the father ofeveryone, uh, of each one of us.
He is the father of thetraditionalists, he's the father
of the progressives, the fatherof everyone.
He cannot ignore his children.
Everyone has their owncharacter, their own
sensibilities, everyone must betaken into account.
I think he will try to act inthis way.
(29:34):
He's basically asking, why arethey doing this to the like
that?
When you look at the situation,you see the people who actually
take the faith seriously, thepeople who are actually who do
believe and who actually careabout the faith, they're the
ones going to the traditionalliturgy.
Why are they doing this?
Like, I asked that question twoweeks ago or a week ago.
(29:54):
On to I was like, what is thereal motivation behind the men
doing this?
And It's it's interesting thatlike Cardinal Sarrat today
posted a picture of just apicture of Pope Leo.
And I I think his approach is toto to love to love love the Holy
(30:17):
Father into submission orsomething.
I don't know because I'm I'mtrying to figure out like how do
you how do you love the men whoare doing this to you without
becoming um without having uhwhat is that syndrome?
Uh Stockholm.
Stockholm syndrome, right?
Like there's a difference inchoosing honestly be more
(30:37):
worried about catching AIDS fromthese guys, but choosing to
choosing to love your enemy isnot the same as Stockholm
syndrome.
Like Stockholm syndrome is likeyou're tricked into thinking the
person has your best interestand you love that person.
Like, that's not what we'retalking about here.
It's like I don't know, man.
(30:57):
There's got to be something likelike a I don't know.
It's it's it's difficult to loveyour enemies in this situation.
I don't have to like them tolove them, but I don't I don't
know how to not see these men asour enemies, like they are
enemies of the faith.
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
When that doesn't mean like this, you can't still
love them.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
Like um let me let me just see the comments what uh
um yeah, I I don't know.
It's it look, these are theseare these are just it's a very
(31:41):
challenging time.
It's a very uh I just I don'tknow what the answer is.
I just know these men hate us.
They hate that they hate thefaith.
They hate they hate seeingpeople actually believe the
faith.
It's a bizarre thing.
They they just want politicalactivists, they want a church
full of political activists thatbelieve the same things they do,
(32:02):
is what it seems like.
SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
And it's getting it gets them the most money, the
most handouts.
I mean the most handouts thereason why you see a a priest
going to to an iced detentionfacility but not going to a
hospital during covet, it'sbecause uh they get money for
all the that immigrationactivity.
That is true.
SPEAKER_02 (32:22):
Um then you have um Pope Leo's words today in in
reference to immigration, whichjust is such a head trip.
Like if you apply his wordsabout because it sounds like the
the this statement is bizarre tome, what Leo says here.
(32:43):
Words of Pope Leo XIV today saidin the context of migration,
there is a certain tendencythese days to undervalue at
various levels the models andvalues that have developed over
the centuries and that shape ourcultural identity, sometimes
even attempting to erase theirhistorical and human relevance.
Let us not disdain what ourancestors experienced and what
(33:04):
they passed on to us, even atthe cost of great sacrifices.
So he's he's where he's goingwith this is so bizarre.
Let us not be seduced by thehomogenization of the
homogenizing and fluid modelswhich offer only appearance of
only an appearance of freedom,but in fact make people
dependent on forms of controlsuch as passing fashions,
(33:24):
commercial strategies, or otherinfluences.
Now, now he's quoting CardinalRatzinger, but but Ratzinger, I
feel like, is talking abouttradition in the faith, and it
seems like what Leo is talkingabout is not asking the people
who come into your country toactually like become like right,
(33:53):
is that what you say?
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
It's just funny because apparently we're not
supposed to disdain ourancestors and what they pass on
to us unless it's thetraditional liturgy, we're not
supposed to homogenize andbecome all one unless that's the
novus ordo.
Um let's see what else here.
We're supposed to cherish thememory who came, those of us who
(34:16):
came before us, unless they wereCatholics who actually believed
their faith.
We're supposed to treasuretraditions and let except for
the Catholic ones.
SPEAKER_02 (34:24):
But what it what I'm looking what he's saying here,
if he's talking aboutimmigration, what he's saying is
don't make these peopleassimilate.
SPEAKER_01 (34:32):
Yeah, he is saying that.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:34):
He's saying don't make these people assimilate,
let them keep their culturaltraditions and have this
multicultural democracy.
This is I don't look, theliturgy stuff is one thing, but
the immigration stuff iscivilizational ending.
(34:59):
Like we are talking aboutcivilizational ending policy
here.
This is not oh, I like the TLM.
This is not even about doctrine.
This is you are going to havepeople come in and take over
your cult.
Like, this is terrifying to me.
(35:24):
This stuff, I I I I see I see umlike immigration of letting
people come into your culture onthe same level as letting heresy
into the church, like it's thesame thing, like like not
allowing your culture to todevelop a culture, a Christian
(35:45):
culture where your children haveCatholic friends or even
Christian friends for thatmatter, and you have a society
that that recognizes Christ asking and is subject to his rule.
Now you're letting foreignerscome in.
It's the same thing as allowingheresy into the church.
It's like letting the LGBT stuffinto the church and it spreads
around, and it and it it totallydestroys the faith once you
(36:07):
start allowing that heresy tospread within the walls.
Like to uh what what was theother um the other post I I had
uh that somebody said about thenovus orto.
Um man, did I not put it inhere?
Uh shoot, I didn't put it inhere.
(36:27):
Um, somebody's somebody wastalking about how I have to find
this because this is importantwith this person.
SPEAKER_05 (36:36):
Which one?
SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
Um, somebody, somebody, when I was talking
about the novus or I said thewhole point of the novus orto is
to get you to dull your Catholicsensibilities.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Yeah, it was uh your quote tweet of John Monaco.
SPEAKER_02 (36:50):
I'm pretty sure.
Um, yeah, I want to actually I'msorry, guys.
I know there's a few.
SPEAKER_01 (36:58):
I yeah, I have it right here.
Let me pull it up.
SPEAKER_02 (37:01):
So I want to read his first and then my response
to it.
So okay, let's read his first.
Hit John Monaco's first.
Um okay, so this points out whatI believe is the and he's
talking about wait, I guess wegotta scroll down to oh my gosh,
we're I know this is tedious.
Okay, so when do we startshutting down novus order masses
because some vocal attendeeshave called for gay marriage or
(37:23):
female ordination?
He said, this points out what Ibelieve is the weakest flaw in
the anti-TLM crowd.
They justify the suppression ofthe Latin mass by pointing out
how some TLM attendees haveschismatic or anti-Vatican II
attitudes.
But based on that logic, weshould take away the Novusordo
because a vast majority of itsattendees use contraception,
support gay marriage, and is themass that promotes uh is the
(37:44):
propo proponents of femaleordination attend.
If we're suppressing liturgicalforms based on the views of
attendees, we might as wellabandon the concept of liturgy
altogether because it willalways be celebrated by
imperfect, sinful people.
But that argument falls apartbecause the whole point of the
novus order was to get you toaccept those things that he's
(38:06):
talking about.
So it falls apart when yourealize the whole purpose of the
Novus Ordo Mass was to weakenCatholic sensibility so they
could get us to accept thoseissues.
They're not banning the TLMbecause it causes disunity,
they're banning it because itmakes people care about the
doctrines and moral teachings ofthe faithless.
Like it that's actually whathappens when you when you go to
an irreverent liturgy and yousee altar girls up there, and
(38:29):
you see people receiving in thehand and they're dropping the
host, all those things theyweaken your Catholic
sensibilities.
And then you you think you havelike I've had arguments with
people that think they have areverent novus orto because they
don't have altar girls, and it'slike you're missing all the
other things going on.
SPEAKER_01 (38:47):
What's funny is most of the people who think they
have a reverent novus ordo dohave alter girl altar girl altar
boys, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:54):
That's it, it's because your your Catholic
sensibilities have been sodeteriorated, and a lot of that
is because people, a lot ofpeople are converts coming from
Protestantism where they had noliturgy, and then all of a
sudden they come into the novusordo and they're like, Oh, this
is structured, and this is youknow, this is the mass, and
they're and they're being taughtthis is where heaven meets
(39:14):
earth, and this is and andthey're they think that's what's
going on, but it really itreally does it, it gives you a
Protestant sense of the faith ifyou attend that liturgy, because
how you how you pray is like howwhat you do affects how you
believe.
So if that if that's the ifthat's the liturgy you're going
(39:36):
to, it's going to it's gonnamake you be like a relativist on
things.
It just is it's just look, ithappened to to to us.
SPEAKER_01 (39:46):
We grew up in this stuff.
I I honestly don't know a singleCatholic who it you know has
only ever attended the NovusOrdo that isn't a relativist.
SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
Or like, do you know a single cradle Catholic who
only went to the Novus Ordo thatdidn't leave the faith for a
period?
Like, I don't know if I knowone.
There might be some, I guess,but I don't I don't think any I
don't I don't think I know anyfamilies who like lived through
the papacy of John Paul II,raised their kids in the faith
(40:22):
that their kid didn't leave thefaith.
SPEAKER_01 (40:23):
I don't I don't I don't think I know a single
cradle Catholic that that's Iknow one one of my good friends.
Uh it is the rarity though, itis not the norm by any means.
And he was he was homeschooled.
SPEAKER_02 (40:37):
Yeah, it's just not the norm by any means.
Like I and so we we saw thathappen in our lives.
We went to we went to school,and you saw every single one of
your Catholic friends or theother ones partying the most.
They're the one this is whatProtestants say about Catholics.
They're like, Oh, my Catholicfriends, they were the ones who
were going and getting high, andthey were doing drugs, and they
were doing that.
(40:58):
It's because there was no actualCatholicism being instilled in
people when they grew up in thatnovice or atmosphere.
I mean, I don't know why this issuch a controversial thing to
say.
We all lived through it.
Oh, because it's a bunch of newcommercials.
This is this is that don'tunderstand what they had a new
converts coming in, they'relike, You're causing divisions.
(41:18):
Like, dude, I lived through it,I watched it, I watched every
single kid.
SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
I know what your kids will go through.
You do not want that for them.
If you love them, you will getthe hell out of there.
SPEAKER_02 (41:30):
I know.
Look, there are people who grewup in the Novus Ordo, left for a
while, and then had a reversion,but that's all you ever hear is
I'm a Catholic revert, right?
You never you don't you don'thear stories of people, oh, I
grew up in the Novus Ordo and Iwas with a faithful Catholic,
and then it is it is afaith-destroying culture.
I'm not gonna say the mass, theculture, the novice order
(41:52):
culture destroys the faith ofyour children.
Like it's well, the culture isformed by the liturgy, so of
course, but it uh the but justthe whole like the whole idea of
so many so many parents stickingtheir kids in the C C D program
just to just to get them throughthe sacraments, but like the
faith was never it was just ohno no, no, no, we just do this,
(42:14):
you know.
You have to make your communionand then you have to make your
confirmation.
Then you go for yourconfirmation, you never go back
to mass again.
No, I grew up in a freakingreally Catholic household.
Like my parents made me go tomass until I drove a car and and
moved out of the house.
When I was under my parents'roof, I had to go to mass.
As soon as I was out of theirroof, there was nothing
instilled in me that made mewant to keep going.
(42:34):
I believed in God, but it justwasn't just wasn't, I don't
know, and I don't want that formy kids at all.
So I'm trying to do somethingdifferent with my kids, and I'm
trying to bring them into aculture of way more Catholic
culture.
Like the the priest in thathomily was like, um, some people
(42:56):
prefer Catholic identity toCatholic essence, and Catholic
essence is unity with the Popeand Bishops.
It's like Catholic identity isextremely important.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
Extremely important.
What's funny is it it is thenovus ordo that only gives you a
Catholic identity and doesn'tactually provide you the essence
of the Catholic faith.
So for someone to to use that asa reason to go to the novus ordo
is really like the height ofidiocy.
SPEAKER_02 (43:24):
It's it's just like what like we're we're trying to
do something different than ourparents did, and we're trying to
give our children a Catholicidentity.
Like, I really think MichaelMatt was really smart for naming
that conference that theCatholic Identity Conference,
because it felt like Catholicidentity was under attack under
Francis.
So it was like you were beingshamed for the uniqueness of
(43:46):
being Catholic, like all thoseunique things we do as
Catholics, like the weird stuff.
Like, I want to be weird, Idon't want to be like any other
Christian denomination.
I want to be very unique in whatwe do, and that starts with the
way we worship.
That way we worship has to bereally unique compared to what
everybody else does.
And when you take that away, youtake you take you you make
(44:09):
Catholics think they're justthey're just you know, you're
just you just happen to beyou're you're an American, you
just happen to be Catholicinstead of you're Catholic who
happens to be American.
Like your Catholic identityshould be first and foremost,
and then you're American.
We have it totally backwards,Taffy.
Don't worry, Anthony.
You're very easy.
(44:36):
All right, guys, I get it.
I'm I'm unique, I'm weird.
No, I like I don't I don't so Ibecause I I keep getting
everybody telling me howdivisive I am, and I don't I
don't think I'm divisive, Ithink I'm like saying what a ton
of people think what do theywant?
SPEAKER_01 (44:50):
Do they want us to be in unity with all the
bullshit going on?
SPEAKER_02 (44:53):
That's that's what I wonder.
It's well, the thing is thepeople defending this stuff,
it's like you I especiallybecause the a lot of them are
defending pre-conciliarCatholicism.
Like they come in, they comeinto the church and they convert
because they see the historicalcase for Catholicism, and
they're like, Oh, the church isthis, and they and they have a
pre-conciliar understanding ofwhat Catholicism is, and then
(45:16):
they come in and they're likeand and they're seeing all this
stuff happen and they're seeingit coming from the top of them
basically pushing liberalideology, and especially with
this insane open border stuff,which is I'm just I think this
is the I cannot emphasize enoughhow bad this is for
civilization.
Like, this is they are they aresetting us up.
(45:42):
I'm just telling you guys, theyare setting us up to divide and
conquer.
That is what is happening.
They are making it, they arepurposely doing this.
This is not about love for theimmigrant, none of it.
And I'm not going to pretendthat's what it is.
This is not about loving thepoor and the immigrants, this is
(46:04):
about dividing your nation soyou do not know who you can
stand together with, and thenthem gutting us from the inside
out, and they are going todivide and conquer our nations.
The entire West is going throughthis right now.
We are not going to be able todefend ourselves.
And man, I was listening toDaryl Cooper's introduction to
(46:24):
his series on World War II,right?
And just listening to whathappened to Germany after they
lost, and what the Allied forcesand what the Soviet Union did to
German women after Germany lostthe world war.
The horrors of what a conquerednation goes through by the by
(46:47):
the nations that conquer them.
Like, if we ever got into a warand were conquered by Russia or
China, do you have any idea whatlife would be like as a
conquered nation in a world war?
You guys do not have you do notunderstand the meaning of the
living will envy the dead.
You will watch your wife andchildren get you will you will
(47:09):
literally envy the dead.
SPEAKER_01 (47:11):
It would be interesting to do a genetic um
comparison of German Germansborn post 1946 compared to
Germans born pre-1946, and justto see the um the additional
percentage of Slavic geneticsthat entered Germany due to the
(47:32):
rape of German women byRussians.
I bet it's significant.
SPEAKER_02 (47:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, dude, like they almost wiped the
German gene out of existencethrough this.
And Father James Martin's in thechat and doom pilling, right?
No, listen, um, because this issomething where I think we have
a duty to stand againstimmigration.
Like, I think you have aChristian duty to stand against
(47:58):
immigration, and I am in directconflict with the Pope on this
one.
Like, this isn't about internalchurch disputes about the
liturgy and stuff.
This is, I really think this isthis is scary stuff we're
talking about.
We're talking about themdividing our nate dividing and
(48:19):
conquering our nation.
I mean, this is this is this isthe Illuminati plan from from
for hundreds of years.
Like, that's what this was.
It's like order out of chaos,divide and conquer.
They'll they'll cause chaos inour nation, and then somebody
will come up and bring order outof the chaos, and we'll go and
follow that leader.
That is how things are gonna endup happening.
I'm not even saying the Pope isanti-white, I think the Pope is
(48:41):
naive, Fred, James Martin.
Please unblock me.
We uh we always have celebritiesin our chat, guys.
I don't know if you guys knowthis.
A lot of celebrities watch ourshow.
Um it is interesting, you neverdo know who's watching our show.
(49:02):
Because the the funny thing is,um like we're we're we're kind
of like the show talking aboutthis stuff now, right?
Like you you still havestanding, like some of the last
ones standing.
It's just just kind of howthings worked out.
So, like, even when I don't wantto talk about this stuff,
sometimes I kind of feel like wehave a duty to talk about it
(49:23):
because I I like I I don't Idon't know.
Um Metatomas says uh TLMers arebeing chastised because God
loves them more.
I mean that that you may youmight be right.
I mean, that's that's honestlythe logic of the saints, right?
Like God has the logic of theJews, anyways.
No, but like honestly, like thelike the the saints God loved
(49:45):
the most typically suffered themost, right?
And and how how we endure this,man, I have to I have to think
on it.
Like, I don't know, like justgetting off and like spouting
off about this stuff might notbe the right approach.
I don't I'm honestly just tryingto voice what I think a lot of
other people are feeling becausein I don't think I don't think
I'm that like that far outfield.
SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
It's not your job nor my job to think about what
is the best approach for thechurch for our show.
No, our our show has always justbeen you and I coming on here
and just talking about stuffhappening in the world, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (50:24):
But like there is a degree to which like the bigger
your show gets, the more of aresponsibility you have, right?
SPEAKER_01 (50:31):
I'm not I'm not I'm not saying we should ever come
and do something inherently youknow immoral.
SPEAKER_02 (50:37):
I'm just saying, like, we should we should be
careful about some of the thingswe say, I guess, but it's I I
don't think it's that faroutfield what we're saying.
Like, I I think anybody withcommon sense thinks what we
think, and I think the peoplewho would say we're crazy or
we're being schismatic, I feellike you guys aren't actually
looking at reality.
(50:58):
And I'm not going to say a manin address is a woman, and I'm
not gonna say up is down, andI'm not gonna say immigration is
a good thing.
SPEAKER_01 (51:05):
I'm just not going to do it, and I'm not gonna say
the novice order is Catholic.
SPEAKER_02 (51:09):
I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm not going to say
the Latin mass is is or or theNovus Ordo is just as good as
the Latin, it's just not.
No.
Like I I I am not somebody whothinks that they're like there's
no salvation outside the Latinmass.
(51:30):
I'm not.
I think that I think the NovusOrdo is a valid mass.
I think I'm not, it's none ofthat.
It's I know what happened to mein that culture, and I don't
want that culture for mychildren.
So if they do take it away, it'sgonna be about honestly though,
like so Metatomas is more on thePope Splaner side of things,
(51:54):
right?
But he has compassion for peoplegoing through this, and that's
that's what I'm hoping Wagner'svideo brings to people.
It's like, don't like rejoice inpeople losing their their home,
their families, because this iswhat you're dealing with here is
people in communities who haveformed bonds, their children
(52:15):
have friends that they know theparents are raising their kids
the same way because you go to aNova Soto parish, like a typical
Nova Soto parish, half thepeople going are just going for
because you know their parentswere Catholic and they just you
know they have to go through itto go through the sacraments.
Then you have half of them arefreaking support abortion, and
there's so much disunity in aNova Soto parish that it's hard
(52:38):
to find other families whobelieve like you do.
It's not the norm.
Where when you go to atraditional parish, nearly every
other parent thinks the way youdo, and you're trying your best
to raise your children in thesame culture, so you can let
your kids be friends with theother kids at the parish and you
form these bonds and give yourchildren an opportunity to grow
up around other Catholicfamilies.
(52:58):
There's homeschoolingcommunities around them, there's
all these different things thatbuild culture.
And when you break up a thinglike that, you're ripping
families apart, you're rippingapart some families' only chance
to instill the faith to the nextgeneration.
It is freaking evil andinsidious.
I do not care.
Not going to sit here and tellpeople to just take it.
(53:19):
Like, no, this is vile what theyare doing.
Evil, like evil, what they aredoing.
Yep.
So uh, all right, we're gonnaleave that here.
I we've gotta go over to locals.
We have um we have some someinside baseball for locals, as
(53:39):
Molly would say.
We're gonna spill the tea overon locals.
SPEAKER_01 (53:42):
But what?
SPEAKER_02 (53:42):
Uh oh Cameron.
Cameron Cameron Cameron and Italk to Milo.
So I gotta I gotta I gotta findout what the Groper is gonna
disown us if we talk to Milo.
Because I want to interviewMilo.
I think I will get a phenomenalMilo interview.
So I know I know a lot of yougropers hate hate Milo, but I
(54:05):
don't know what to tell youguys.
SPEAKER_01 (54:06):
At the very least, we will make it funny one way or
another.
Whether it's successful or anabsolute failure, you will
laugh.
SPEAKER_02 (54:16):
I'm interested to see like the behind the scenes
of what happened with him andNick.
I'd like to hear that story.
Um, but also like I've kind offollowed Milo since 2015.
I I I watched him on GavinMcKinnon's show, and all that.
So I I'm very interested to gethis uh I want to hear his story,
man.
I want to hear what made himcome to the faith.
(54:36):
I want to hear him talk aboutwhat made him want to stop
practicing the gay lifestyle, alot of things.
So we'll talk, we'll talk aboutmy conversation with Milo on the
other side because he uh he andI did speak, and um and we'll
talk about Cameron.
This Cameron, he's got somenerve.
He's got some nerve, Cameron.
(54:57):
This kid.
He will be on, Cameron.
Cameron will be on November 6th,and we're gonna have fun with
that interview because we'regonna tease him a bit.
So, all right, guys, if you guysare not members already, join us
over on locals.
That's where we uh that's wherewe have more fun.
So I apologize for rantingtonight.
Usually you guys like my rants.
(55:18):
I don't know, it was afrustrating week.
Thursday, Aaron Gorn.
Thursday, Aaron Gorn, Thursday.
Aaron Gorn is a Protestantpastor who became Catholic and
took 17 people along for thejourney.
SPEAKER_01 (55:34):
And he used to be very anti-Catholic, knew Keith
Naster back in Keith's uhProtestant days, and tried to
convince him not to convert.
SPEAKER_02 (55:46):
And now we got this is what's really interesting
about this is Aaron found usthrough Keith.
Aaron watches a lot of ourshows.
Like Aaron's been since he'sbeen Protestant, has been
watching our show, and he's justbeen hanging in the chat and
like like hinting around thatlike Catholicism seems more and
(56:07):
more appealing to him, you know.
And then finally he came intothe church this past Easter,
taking 17 people with him.
Now, a couple of weeks ago, uhKeith Nestor had this young
18-year-old kid, Dominic, callinto his show, and the kid lives
on Long Island.
So Keith, after the show, Keithsaid, Hey, I'm gonna hook you up
with my friend Anthony and seeif he can get you to a Latin
mass.
(56:28):
Uh well, Keith just said, I'mgonna hook you up with a couple
of Catholics on Long Island.
So the kid had gone to a NovusOrto, like a beautiful Novus
Ordo church, like the a reallybeautiful parish.
And the kid was very attractedto the beauty of the faith.
So Keith puts me in touch withhim.
I take the kid to uh to St.
Rocco's, a Latin mass, and hebrings his Protestant pastor dad
(56:51):
with him.
So I meet his, I meet him.
His dad I said his dad wasprobably like, I'm not letting
you.
What do you mean you're going tomass with some guy?
Like, what do you what do youmean you're going to mass with
some guy?
So I met his dad after mass.
We had a we had a goodconversation.
And uh Dominic just texted meyesterday, actually, and he
asked me if he could come tomass with me again.
(57:13):
And he's and he said, Um, hesaid, uh, let's see.
What did he say here?
Uh, okay.
He said, he said, by the way, Ilove your show.
I've been watching it a lot.
All the Catholic guys I watchalways end up on there.
I said, Really?
Who who do you watch?
He said, I'm a big Wagner fan.
Also, I know he's Orthodox, butJay Dyer.
(57:35):
So he so he's seen Wagner on ourshow.
SPEAKER_01 (57:37):
He's seen Jay Dyer watches Dyer and Wagner.
SPEAKER_02 (57:40):
So what happened was his the reason he even got
introduced to some of this stuffis he had a a Greek Orthodox
friend who was trying to get himto go to orthodoxy, and he winds
up looking into Catholicism.
Now the kid's coming to Latinmass at me.
Like that the it it for all youpeople who think we're so
divisive, like there's justpeople with different
temperaments and different waysof looking at things, and we're
(58:01):
all Catholic.
Everybody just chill out.
We'll have different roles inthis thing.
Plus, I'm way more divisive thanAnthony.
Way more.
Keith Nestor's like theevangelist, and he just wants to
bring people to the church.
Wagner's the Thomas, and he'strying to get into the
intricacies of scholasticism.
We're just like, I don't know,we just fire off at the hip and
(58:22):
whatever the hell's on our mindwhen we talk about it.
We all have our different roles.
It doesn't mean we're at likethere's any enmity between the
different groups.
We're all Catholic.
We got to figure out how to makethis thing work.
We got to come up with a way tounite our front and push back on
some of this insanity.
And I don't know what the rightapproach is still.
I keep talking about that.
I don't know.
I'm trying to work this outalong with you guys.
(58:46):
Don't, don't, don't, you know,don't take don't take uh the the
words of a of a New Yorkconstruction worker as
infallible.
That's all I'll tell you.
Like, I don't know, I don't knowwhat to do sometimes.
So this is why I tell Zoomerswho hate on ant to shut up.
They pro clutch and don't knowhow to talk to people.
So true.
Look, yeah, because I I think Ithink some people are very
(59:08):
repelled by some of the things Isay, and I think some people
just need to hear.
Like, we're all just different,man.
It just just everybody's gottheir now.
You're so now you're soundinglike an open relativist.
I'm for ecumenical dialoguewithin the different Catholic
tribes.
SPEAKER_01 (59:24):
I am.
Hold on, hold on.
This this is perfect.
SPEAKER_02 (59:29):
Some of the hands, some of the feet, and some of
the has to be the ass.
Somebody has to be the ass.
I am very fine being I'm the assand the mouth.
Yes.
All right, we're going over tolocals, guys.
Come join us.
There's more fun over there.
If you have fun on this side, Ipromise you, you guys are like
the other side.
Take us out, Rob.
SPEAKER_05 (59:49):
I snap my fingers.
You'll forget that you're evergay.
I was never gay.
Exactly.
Wait, no, stop.
No, stop.
You can't.
I was never gay.
Okay.
No, I was never gay.
Sure.
You can't just s state somethingand slap your fingers and then
be like I was never gay.
You say so.
My entire Latin mass parish is made up of brown kids.
Like they really are.
They're part of the community.
We don't cast them out becausethey're not white.
Like half of our show, when wemeet our when we meet the people
who watch our show, they're notwhite.
They barely speak English.
I'm friends with them.
I care about these men.
SPEAKER_05 (00:44):
Out of the building.
Let's go.
Stay right there.
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
I did not see this one beforehand.
SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
When I watched it the first time, I was just kind
of half paying attention to it.
And I hear my name and I look,I'm like, did Taffy make the
Asians love me?
SPEAKER_02 (01:04):
Oh my gosh, that is too freaking funny.
AI slop.
It's not AI.
Why are you guys saying that?
It was totally legit.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
It might be AI.
It is not slop.
That was.
SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
Oh my goodness.
Man, you forget that Taffy'sgonna use your own words against
you in future episodes.
It's a dangerous thing.
SPEAKER_01 (01:27):
So the way he cut into your part about your
coworkers to make it.
It's just that our fans don'tspeak English.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
Oh, welcome to welcome to the comedy show.
Everything's funny these days,isn't it?
Everything in the church isfunny.
Everything's just funny.
Hold is my wife kidding me withthat stupid hang.
Oh, I'm not gonna be able to doit.
Never mind.
What she left something onthat's making a lot of noise
right now.
It's very I hear it.
(01:57):
You hear it?
A little squeaking in thebackground.
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SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
Okay.
Do I have to do any follow-up?
Because I just jumped back.
SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
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Go to requisite sellers.com.
They have a uh um Christ theKing sale going on through uh
the October 31st.
Uh, you get 20 20% off.
Use code based at checkout, andit helps us uh pay the bills,
and at the very least, helps meget some cheaper wine.
SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
So so goes until the feast of Christ the king, where
you could get yourself and drownyourself in your sorrows in your
wine when your Latin mass endson the Feast of Christ the King.
Go to Reggie Sun Cellars anddrown out your sorrows for
losing your liturgy, guys.
Yo, it was a rough, it was arough couple of days, man.
(03:26):
Like just it was it was the umthe the the clown show in
Chicago with the uh the clownshow in Chicago with the uh the
the was it a bishop or was it apriest?
SPEAKER_01 (03:40):
It was a priest, some priest, some Jesuit priest.
SPEAKER_02 (03:44):
Um okay, so Ice denies a group of Christians
request for entry to BroadviewIce facility uh to bring
communion to the teinees.
If nobody saw this video, playthe video real quick.
What uh not the whole thing, butjust show it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
What video?
SPEAKER_02 (03:58):
I sent it's in the group chat, not the group chat.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
Once again, lots in the chat, but uh uh if you
scroll up, okay.
I think I got it.
Scroll up.
This is like one of the only theone that's seven minutes long.
SPEAKER_02 (04:09):
Yeah, just play a clip of it so people get a
because a lot of people aren'ton Twitter like we are, and they
didn't see this.
So this is a priest goes to aniced detention facility, a
Jesuit priest, and puts on ashow.
SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
No prior notification to the facility.
But somehow all the reportersknew about it.
SPEAKER_02 (04:45):
Yeah, that's about it.
I mean, whatever.
It's a so the news story is thatIC is denying Christians'
request for the Eucharist.
Like there are there are properchannels to go through for a
priest if he wants to visitprisoners.
And and there are there are justproper proper channels you could
(05:06):
go through.
Um these men, it's these are thesame men who disappeared for
months during a cold.
SPEAKER_05 (05:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (05:18):
None of none of them cared about the people dying in
hospitals who were on theirdeathbed.
None of them were lining up,marching the Eucharist around
during COVID, none of that.
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Same type of man that you know denied my father
the apostolic pardon, same typeof man that will uh you know
excortiate you for kneeling toreceive the Eucharist, same type
of man that won't baptize yourchild, won't won't tell you you
should convert, same type of manwho will tell your wife in the
confessional that uh that umusing uh birth control isn't a
(05:50):
sin.
Yeah, same type of same type ofmessage.
SPEAKER_02 (05:53):
We're just at a point where they they wear
Catholicism like a skin suit.
Um it's all for a politicalcharade.
Um and we're getting the messagefrom everywhere now that it's
basically you you can't beconservative and Catholic.
That's essentially the messageyou're getting.
(06:14):
You can't be Catholic andCatholic, basically.
We'll get there.
We'll get there.
Um, but just the political angleof all this, um, because this
all plays into the conversationabout Supic and Dick Durbin and
the comments Leo made aboutbeing pro-life last week.
(06:36):
All of this kind of goestogether, and it just it gives
these men cover to use the faithas this political tool for
leftist uh infiltration, andit's also uh freaking
aggravating.
Um it's like I don't I don't thethe the thing is where we are
(06:59):
now is that the message iscoming from the highest points
that this is this is this is theway to go with it.
Like you had that that clip ofLeo speaking with Bishop Seats
and a couple of other bishopssaying the church needs to be
more united and combat thisstuff because he watched some
emotional video of um migrantsbeing raided and stuff.
(07:21):
But I mean we talked about thison the last episode, but it's
just this is this is the farcethat they're trying to put forth
as the Catholic faith.
They're they're trying to be weused to group around and say,
like, um what was the what wasthe saying we used?
It was like uh the US C C B isthe Democratic Party at prayer
or something.
I think that's that's what weused to say, right?
(07:43):
Uh who I think it was like thelike a common saying, like the
US C C B basically the theDemocratic Party at prayer, but
this is becoming like the wholechurch, like not and I don't
mean the church, but like thethe the institution, the
institution is becoming just thedemocratic party at prayer, and
it's just this stuff is just sodemoralizing.
(08:05):
So it started with that.
Um, ain't nobody watching thekids.
Oh no, but we do have to sayplease hit like and subscribe.
And there's something weirdgoing on with the notification
bell, where like if you guysdon't press the notification
bell, it messes with thealgorithm.
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
So I so YouTube has told some creators that the
notification bell, which no onelikes and doesn't really work,
anyways, that even if you'resubscribed to a channel, your
subscription means more to thealgorithm if you click the
notification bell.
Which I don't think we've everpromoted the notification.
(08:40):
No, because I don't ever pressit for anyone I follow.
SPEAKER_02 (08:43):
No, and the thing is, it's not like you just get
notified for that show, you getnotified for everyone you
subscribe to, so it's obnoxiousemail after obnoxious email.
So maybe just hit it once andthen unsubscribe for
notifications later orsomething.
I don't know if that'll help,but whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Well, give it a month or two, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:58):
Um it yeah, so Sunday started off with that
charade, and then yesterday wasuh Knoxville comes down with
their announcement.
And what's bizarre about thisannouncement, um, it can't it
came out in like a in anannouncement first, and then the
(09:20):
the homily the priest read wasjust such gaslighting insanity.
It was I I mean, I don't know ifwe should go through that whole
homily, but it was just totalinsanity of them.
Uh the all right, so look, whatdon't we do this?
Why don't we highlight this guy,Andrew Lakudis' um tweet?
(09:42):
Because I actually I sawconservatives snapping back at
this, and even I think Dr.
Kważnevsky challenged this.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
Yeah, I don't see anything I actually dislike.
SPEAKER_02 (09:53):
Oh, okay.
I thought you said you couldn'tfind the tweet.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
No, I I didn't disagree with his uh assessment,
assessment of it.
Me neither.
SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
Oh, he's not on our side, he's definitely not on our
side.
But that's the thing, we have tostart listening to that side
because that side seems to knowbetter than we do at this point.
So, according to the diocese ofKnoxville, the Dicastery for the
divine worship.
So this was I pointed this outto everybody because everybody
saw that you know Knoxville wasdoing that, and they're like,
No, Leo doesn't.
I'm like, No, no, no.
It says in the letter in thehomily from the priest, he says
(10:26):
that the DDW wrote to them andrequested that the diocese of
Knoxville finally implementtraditional custodas, which
which leads us to believe thisis not just going to be in
Knoxville, this is going to beevery diocese is going to get
that letter from the DDW, andthey're going to be asking them,
How are you implementingTraditionus Custodas?
(10:47):
So, according to the Diocese ofKnoxville, the Dicassery for
Divine Worship has justrequested the complete
transition of all the remainingdiocesan TLM churches to the
Novus Ordo before the feast ofChrist the King this year.
I think this is the clearestsignal to date that Pope Leo
intends to continue the pathchartered by Francis regarding
the Roman rite, solidifyingaround uh the third typical
(11:09):
edition of the Roman Missal, theNovus Ordo.
This will be difficult for manyto accept, but Pope Leo has made
clear that he believes for thosewho cherish the TLM, they will
find in the Novus Ordo withelements such as Latin Gregorian
chant, incense, and reverencecelebration what they need to
satisfy their legitimate theirlegitimate aspirations.
And this, without theideological divisions and
(11:29):
rejection of the post-conciliarmagisterium that for decades has
accompanied the continuedcelebration of the 62 missile.
(11:52):
It's just according to theNovusordo Missal, the mass of
Paul VI, he called it.
Um, and it seems like this isgoing to be.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
I mean, not not the hardcore trad, but uh but if the
numbers in Charlotte are to bebelieved from what they saw the
first weekend, so apparentlythey had 1200 people through the
four parishes or whatever thatoffered it weekly prior, they
had approximately 1200 weeklyTLM goers.
The new chapel the first weekhad about 500 people, and the
(13:31):
SSPX saw an increase of 50people, so that's 550 out of
1200.
That means the very first week,the first the week that everyone
should have been at a TLM toshow support for the TLM, half
the people gave up immediately.
Yeah.
And I think we're seeing thatthroughout other dioceses when
they actually closed the theTLM, the whole Marxist uh you
(13:56):
must obey sort of thing that wegot from the uh the priest in
Knoxville and his homily, uh, itdoes work on on most so-called
traditional Catholics.
SPEAKER_02 (14:09):
Yeah, this is this is a this is especially a
problem with those Catholics whojust kind of like the the
aesthetic, right?
Like if you just like theaesthetic and you still get some
Latin and Gregorian chin andit's a reverent liturgy, those
people will be satiated, youknow.
Um, people are sheep, it's notnecessarily a bad thing unless
the shepherds are replaced bywolves, which in my opinion has
(14:34):
been happening, it's beenhappening since the council, but
uh there's something drasticallydifferent.
Like, like Francis moved theoverton window so much that even
Leo backing off like slightly injust his delivery has kind of
(14:54):
like quelled everybody.
It's it's it's I I cannotbelieve how much the Overton
window has shifted because ofhow hard Francis pushed forward,
and then just the slightesteasing off the pedal has made
people go, oh, everything'sfine, everything's fine.
I mean, you know, we we we didit to a degree because you just
you just you don't like I don'teven I don't know.
(15:17):
I don't know.
Look, I'll say right off thebat, like I don't know what the
answer to this stuff is.
Like I don't I don't know.
I I don't know.
So if you guys are like lookingto to to my insights on what I
thought, like I don't know.
I I'm uh it's a very confusingtime in the church.
Um part of me thinks like thiswhole thing needs to like this
(15:40):
this charade you saw out inChicago, like whole thing needs
to come down, and that can'tcome down, like there can't be a
resurrection without a death.
So part of me is just likeaccelerate this thing, yeah,
kill kill it all, kill thediastone TLM.
Let's let's just let's go.
Like, let's just go, let's seewhat happens, you know.
And it's gonna be reallydifficult for those of us trying
(16:00):
to raise our children in thefaith, but I mean it's not it's
it's so much of it has just beena facade, and and I think I
don't know, man.
I don't know the answer to thisstuff.
I don't know.
I I I you know I I'm I'm glad tosee Wagner today came out and
said he's gonna stop Popesplaining.
(16:20):
I think that's a good thing.
Um, and part of that is probablybecause of conversations I've
had with him, um, partially atleast.
I'm sure he's come to his ownhis own uh conclusions on his
own.
But the the the whole idea ofPope spleening and just
defending everything the Popedoes because you think any kind
(16:40):
of any kind of comment againstsomething the Pope does is is
schismatic or something likethat, like that stuff needs to
end and people need to have alittle bit like we're talking
about families being rippedapart right now.
You're talking about people wholike we've we've talked about um
my my cousin's parish inKentucky.
Now that's an FSSP parish, sothey're safe, but for now,
(17:03):
right?
But do you know how many peoplemight have moved to Tennessee
and said, Okay, we have a stablemass community here.
SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
I'm gonna move one of my mutuals on Twitter, move
from Maine to Knoxville becauseof the TLM, and now it's gone.
SPEAKER_02 (17:18):
And people people were were doing that, like
making, especially during COVIDwhen everybody was like, I gotta
get out of the big cities, Igotta go somewhere more rural.
And you would base your move on,okay, is there somewhere I'll be
able to raise my children andfamily in the faith and have a
stable liturgical life because Idon't want to go through this
(17:39):
insanity.
Like we've talked about it whereyou and I were raised in the
Novos Ordo, we lost our faithfrom it.
We come back and we findtradition.
We're like, okay, I'm not gonnamake the same mistakes my
parents made and just assumethat my kids are picking
something up in CCD.
I'm gonna actively teach mychildren the faith, I'm gonna
try to bring some of thesecustoms and devotions into my
(18:01):
home life, and I'm gonna instillthe faith in my children.
I'm not gonna leave this to mywife, I'm gonna do it myself.
All these different things we'vepicked up, we're trying to do,
and all we got was scorn.
Yeah, all we got was scorn, andif you know, for all the talk of
religious liberty that came outof the council, it's like you
can have all the religious Godwills the diversity of religions
(18:23):
unless you're Catholic, unlessyou're unless you're Catholic,
because if you're Catholic, wehave to put an end to that
because God forbid peopleactually believe what the church
has always taught.
That is a scary thought, right?
That people people look at thecouncil of Trent and see the
catechism of Trent and thinkthat's Catholicism.
Oh no, we can't have that, likeit's insane.
(18:45):
Uh, hey guys, Lucas here, theguy you had on the local show a
while ago.
I'm in the diocese of Knoxville,and I've been pretty devastated
from this, don't know what I'mgonna do.
Um, so that was the conversationI had with Wagner even today.
Him and I spoke on the phone,and he was like, you know, I'm
I'm definitely not going to takethe approach I took under
(19:05):
Francis because he's like, Ithink it's having the opposite
effect of what we thought itwas.
Like we thought we weredefending the Pope, but really
like the gaslighting was toomuch for people.
And and I I just said to him, Isaid, Listen, you have to have
compassion for people that aregoing through what Lucas just
described, right?
He's down there, and now hedoesn't know where he's going to
go.
So I mean, is he gonna be stuckgoing to a reverent novus ordo?
(19:31):
I mean, how long will that beallowed or not?
And that's the and that's thething because the the priest in
his homily specifically said, ifyou guys give us a hard time
about this, we'll even take yourreverent novus or it's it's it's
very disheartening.
And I mean, I I don't know how Iknow you guys hate when I
(19:58):
blackfill.
I just don't know it's not howit's not apocalyptic.
Please tell me, Rob.
Please tell me how this is notapocalyptic.
SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
You know how you know what I said, I think it was
yesterday.
Right?
SPEAKER_02 (20:15):
I uh what's funny is I thought I was gonna have to
talk you off the ledge tonightwith some of the things you were
sending me, especially even thismorning.
Like, like the original title,Rob is gonna go.
I was like, let's back off thattitle a little bit.
Like, um because we do have tobe careful right now.
Like, it's not I I know I felteverybody's uh like
(20:36):
demoralization of frustration.
I I felt it, I feel it, and myand my and I haven't lost my
mask yet, but I I assume it'scoming.
Um and it's I I was worried Iwas gonna have to talk you up
the ledge because you were soangry.
Oh, I still am.
Yeah, but I think like I'm kindof glad we didn't have a show
yesterday because I think if wewould have jumped on in that
(20:59):
kind of heat, like I don't know,I might have said it.
Like, I I I tweeted out the thePope asked for money for
missions, and I was like, Youwon't get a dime from me.
I can't believe how muchpushback I got from that.
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
But it's like it's like really, you are you people
serious?
What you haven't been able todonate to the your parish or the
diocese or Vatican for 20 years,and now you're like, give me a
break.
SPEAKER_02 (21:20):
You people never seen a Lepanto Institute video.
Like, have you guys neverlistened to what Michael
Hitchbook is?
It's like it's like, oh, supportour evangelistic efforts in an
in mission territory.
It's like, what do you thinkthey're teaching those people?
What do you honestly, what doyou think they're doing over
there?
They're they're they're givingthem like like um secular sex ed
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programs, yeah.
They're they're tied to UNgovernmental programs and things
like that.
It's not it's not like they'reout evangelizing and preaching
like like the Jesuits did backwhen they were fighting against
the Protestant Reformation, likeit's just that's not what
they're doing anymore.
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It's it's it's very difficult tonot see this as just a further
like deepening into the passionof the church.
And I know a lot of people getupset with us and they you know
they they think we're we'rewe're being divisive and stuff,
but I don't I don't I don't Idon't know.
I'm not gonna ever I'm not gonnaever not say how how how this
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stuff like what it is like we wesee what it is.
The church has been there's beena hostile takeover of the
Catholic Church.
We're not talking the the crazything is these are all new
bishops, these are not likebishops who've been settled in a
diocese and know they're flawed,these are guys who came in.
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Sitka isn't the one who canceled Lynn Knoxville, no,
the new guy, it's the new guywho was appointed by Leo.
SPEAKER_02 (22:49):
And and Martin's over in Charlotte, he was
appointed by Francis, but butLeo was on the congregation for
bishops and and suggested him.
So this is uh this is apersonnelist policy thing, and I
know everybody everybody likesto say, like, yeah, but the
young priests are so trad, theyoung priests are so trad.
But that doesn't matter becauseif you have the guys at the top
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choosing who becomes bishops,listen, under under John Paul II
and Benedict, and it's it'sthose it's those so trad young
priests that are telling us toshut up and obey.
SPEAKER_01 (23:19):
So excuse me if I don't trust them exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (23:22):
Well, look, the thing is, man, I because I'm
very conflicted about thisbecause I've been really
thinking about the the passagein First Peter that we read the
other night.
Slaves be subject to yourmasters, not just the good ones,
but the the wicked ones too.
Like the ones who are froward,you have to also be obedient to.
So it's like there's there's athere is an opportunity for
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sanctity in this.
There really is.
There's an opportunity forsanctity in this.
There always is, and and how howwe handle unjust suffering.
It's like like our Lord wasbefore the Sanhedrin, they spit
in his face, they smacked him,they pulled his beard out, and
he sat silently and took it, andthat was unjust, and he
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shouldn't have obeyed them.
He was but he but there'ssomething there's something
about like holiness in in howyou react to this stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
But you don't I don't say you're not attaining
any grace by rolling over andletting your kids be harmed by
this BS.
SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
No, and also like there's no room in heaven for
cowards, is what uh vegan uhyeah, vegano said.
There's no room in heaven forcowards, right?
So it's like you you there look,this is a difficult thing.
It's like, okay, do I submit andtake my beating and just
nothing, or do I speak upbecause that's actually the
brave thing to do?
But like it's a it's a difficultthing, man.
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It's not this isn't this isn'tjust so easy, and I and I
anybody who's like convincedthey have the right perspective,
you have to be cautious of thosepeople because I don't think any
of us know what the hell's goingon.
I think this is a reallyconfusing thing, but under under
John Paul II and Benedict, youhad them raising liberals to to
bishops, like they they justdid, but you also every once in
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a while you get that CardinalBurke thrown in, you get that
Cardinal Surrath thrown in, youwould get that you're not gonna
get that now, and you haven'tgotten it for 10 years under
Francis.
All you got were guys thatthought like Francis for 10
years.
Now you're looking at another 20under Leo, right?
So I don't care if the nextgeneration of priests are trad
because it doesn't matter ifthey're bishops telling them
(25:33):
shut up and obey and do what Itell you.
Like, where is there room forthem to even be trad?
They're the the the new crop ofbishops that they're putting in
are ripping out altar rails andripping out kneelers, and
they're it's just insane whatthese guys are doing.
It's not just it's not look,yeah.
The the the in Knoxville,they're going about it a little
(25:53):
with a little bit more tastethan they did in Charlotte, like
it's a little bit more tastefulthan they did in Charlotte and
Charlotte.
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
And they learned their lesson a little.
SPEAKER_02 (26:01):
Possibly, right?
So it's a little more tasteful,but man, where where where do
you go if you're in Tennesseeand you want to go?
And like I I don't even know.
Like, what do you do?
SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
Well, it it um it should be noted that eastern
Tennessee and Western NorthCarolina, they're those two
dioceses border each other.
You now have a whole section ofthat area of the country with L
TLMs now.
Nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (26:30):
Bring up bring up Carnel Sarah's interview.
I I want to talk about CarnelSarrat's interview.
Because he actually did I put itin there?
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
I think so.
Let me look for it.
I think I did.
SPEAKER_02 (26:44):
Um, on locals tonight, we got we got a little
bit of gossip tonight, too.
So we have uh I had a I talkedwith Milo.
Cameron O'Hearn reached out tous.
We gotta talk about CameronO'Hearn.
The nerve, the nerve on the wegotta talk about Cameron.
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Um I saw that email.
SPEAKER_02 (27:03):
I was like, Rob texts me, you're gonna die when
you see this.
I'm like, what?
And he's like, You're gonna andhe just texts me, you're gonna
die.
And I'm like, what do you meanI'm gonna die?
Like, what do you and then hewaits like three minutes before
he sends the thing?
I wanted to kill him.
Um, so uh we yeah, we have that.
We gotta talk about the the theleaked messages of the the young
Republicans, uh, and we gottatalk about Mel Gibson replacing.
SPEAKER_01 (27:27):
I was really disappointed in that group chat.
Me too.
It was so tame.
Really, guys?
That's all you've got.
Come on.
SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
We'll talk about that on the other side because
I've I've got to say some stuff.
But also, Mel Gibson hasreplaced Jim Cavizel.
Jim Cavizel.
He replaced Jesus.
He replaced he got a new Jesus.
Jim Cavizel will not be in thesequel to The Passion.
So we're gonna we're gonna talkabout that too over there.
So all right, so bring up umbring up Siraz.
(27:57):
Um I don't think we have to readthe whole thing.
Um bring up the yeah, I have it.
Okay, so you can go down to so Ithink that if the Pope tries to
see that it's not easy becausethe question is a matter of
faith.
How we believe is how we pray.
SPEAKER_01 (28:13):
If we don't have faith where the heck are you
here?
SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
Oh, scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.
Right there.
Yeah.
Um, so they're they're justasking him about um uh about the
traditional liturgy and stuff.
And he says, So I think thePope, if the Pope tries to see
that it's not not not easybecause the question is a matter
of faith, how we believe is howwe pray.
If we don't have faith, we can'ttake action.
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If people don't believe, nothingwill change.
We continue to fight over theliturgy, we continue to bully
certain people.
Whereas, in fact, when we reallylook at the Christians who
practice today, they are theones who go to the traditional
mass.
So why forbid them?
On the contrary, we shouldencourage them.
I don't know what the Pope willdo, but he is aware of this
battle, he is aware of thisdifficulty.
(28:57):
Um, and then they ask him, Youhad the opportunity to speak
with him, and he also talkedabout Cardinal Burke saying the
traditional mass.
He said, Um, wait, where didwhere's that last line he said?
The Pope is the father of usall.
SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
Uh right here, it's right there.
SPEAKER_02 (29:13):
Oh, okay.
Wait, oh yeah, which will takeplace, but everyone's been
everyone must be given a space.
The Pope is the father ofeveryone, uh, of each one of us.
He is the father of thetraditionalists, he's the father
of the progressives, the fatherof everyone.
He cannot ignore his children.
Everyone has their owncharacter, their own
sensibilities, everyone must betaken into account.
I think he will try to act inthis way.
(29:34):
He's basically asking, why arethey doing this to the like
that?
When you look at the situation,you see the people who actually
take the faith seriously, thepeople who are actually who do
believe and who actually careabout the faith, they're the
ones going to the traditionalliturgy.
Why are they doing this?
Like, I asked that question twoweeks ago or a week ago.
(29:54):
On to I was like, what is thereal motivation behind the men
doing this?
And It's it's interesting thatlike Cardinal Sarrat today
posted a picture of just apicture of Pope Leo.
And I I think his approach is toto to love to love love the Holy
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Father into submission orsomething.
I don't know because I'm I'mtrying to figure out like how do
you how do you love the men whoare doing this to you without
becoming um without having uhwhat is that syndrome?
Uh Stockholm.
Stockholm syndrome, right?
Like there's a difference inchoosing honestly be more
(30:37):
worried about catching AIDS fromthese guys, but choosing to
choosing to love your enemy isnot the same as Stockholm
syndrome.
Like Stockholm syndrome is likeyou're tricked into thinking the
person has your best interestand you love that person.
Like, that's not what we'retalking about here.
It's like I don't know, man.
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There's got to be something likelike a I don't know.
It's it's it's difficult to loveyour enemies in this situation.
I don't have to like them tolove them, but I don't I don't
know how to not see these men asour enemies, like they are
enemies of the faith.
SPEAKER_01 (31:14):
When that doesn't mean like this, you can't still
love them.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
Like um let me let me just see the comments what uh
um yeah, I I don't know.
It's it look, these are theseare these are just it's a very
(31:41):
challenging time.
It's a very uh I just I don'tknow what the answer is.
I just know these men hate us.
They hate that they hate thefaith.
They hate they hate seeingpeople actually believe the
faith.
It's a bizarre thing.
They they just want politicalactivists, they want a church
full of political activists thatbelieve the same things they do,
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is what it seems like.
SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
And it's getting it gets them the most money, the
most handouts.
I mean the most handouts thereason why you see a a priest
going to to an iced detentionfacility but not going to a
hospital during covet, it'sbecause uh they get money for
all the that immigrationactivity.
That is true.
SPEAKER_02 (32:22):
Um then you have um Pope Leo's words today in in
reference to immigration, whichjust is such a head trip.
Like if you apply his wordsabout because it sounds like the
the this statement is bizarre tome, what Leo says here.
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Words of Pope Leo XIV today saidin the context of migration,
there is a certain tendencythese days to undervalue at
various levels the models andvalues that have developed over
the centuries and that shape ourcultural identity, sometimes
even attempting to erase theirhistorical and human relevance.
Let us not disdain what ourancestors experienced and what
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they passed on to us, even atthe cost of great sacrifices.
So he's he's where he's goingwith this is so bizarre.
Let us not be seduced by thehomogenization of the
homogenizing and fluid modelswhich offer only appearance of
only an appearance of freedom,but in fact make people
dependent on forms of controlsuch as passing fashions,
(33:24):
commercial strategies, or otherinfluences.
Now, now he's quoting CardinalRatzinger, but but Ratzinger, I
feel like, is talking abouttradition in the faith, and it
seems like what Leo is talkingabout is not asking the people
who come into your country toactually like become like right,
(33:53):
is that what you say?
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
It's just funny because apparently we're not
supposed to disdain ourancestors and what they pass on
to us unless it's thetraditional liturgy, we're not
supposed to homogenize andbecome all one unless that's the
novus ordo.
Um let's see what else here.
We're supposed to cherish thememory who came, those of us who
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came before us, unless they wereCatholics who actually believed
their faith.
We're supposed to treasuretraditions and let except for
the Catholic ones.
SPEAKER_02 (34:24):
But what it what I'm looking what he's saying here,
if he's talking aboutimmigration, what he's saying is
don't make these peopleassimilate.
SPEAKER_01 (34:32):
Yeah, he is saying that.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:34):
He's saying don't make these people assimilate,
let them keep their culturaltraditions and have this
multicultural democracy.
This is I don't look, theliturgy stuff is one thing, but
the immigration stuff iscivilizational ending.
(34:59):
Like we are talking aboutcivilizational ending policy
here.
This is not oh, I like the TLM.
This is not even about doctrine.
This is you are going to havepeople come in and take over
your cult.
Like, this is terrifying to me.
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This stuff, I I I I see I see umlike immigration of letting
people come into your culture onthe same level as letting heresy
into the church, like it's thesame thing, like like not
allowing your culture to todevelop a culture, a Christian
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culture where your children haveCatholic friends or even
Christian friends for thatmatter, and you have a society
that that recognizes Christ asking and is subject to his rule.
Now you're letting foreignerscome in.
It's the same thing as allowingheresy into the church.
It's like letting the LGBT stuffinto the church and it spreads
around, and it and it it totallydestroys the faith once you
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start allowing that heresy tospread within the walls.
Like to uh what what was theother um the other post I I had
uh that somebody said about thenovus orto.
Um man, did I not put it inhere?
Uh shoot, I didn't put it inhere.
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Um, somebody's somebody wastalking about how I have to find
this because this is importantwith this person.
SPEAKER_05 (36:36):
Which one?
SPEAKER_02 (36:38):
Um, somebody, somebody, when I was talking
about the novus or I said thewhole point of the novus orto is
to get you to dull your Catholicsensibilities.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Yeah, it was uh your quote tweet of John Monaco.
SPEAKER_02 (36:50):
I'm pretty sure.
Um, yeah, I want to actually I'msorry, guys.
I know there's a few.
SPEAKER_01 (36:58):
I yeah, I have it right here.
Let me pull it up.
SPEAKER_02 (37:01):
So I want to read his first and then my response
to it.
So okay, let's read his first.
Hit John Monaco's first.
Um okay, so this points out whatI believe is the and he's
talking about wait, I guess wegotta scroll down to oh my gosh,
we're I know this is tedious.
Okay, so when do we startshutting down novus order masses
because some vocal attendeeshave called for gay marriage or
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female ordination?
He said, this points out what Ibelieve is the weakest flaw in
the anti-TLM crowd.
They justify the suppression ofthe Latin mass by pointing out
how some TLM attendees haveschismatic or anti-Vatican II
attitudes.
But based on that logic, weshould take away the Novusordo
because a vast majority of itsattendees use contraception,
support gay marriage, and is themass that promotes uh is the
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propo proponents of femaleordination attend.
If we're suppressing liturgicalforms based on the views of
attendees, we might as wellabandon the concept of liturgy
altogether because it willalways be celebrated by
imperfect, sinful people.
But that argument falls apartbecause the whole point of the
novus order was to get you toaccept those things that he's
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talking about.
So it falls apart when yourealize the whole purpose of the
Novus Ordo Mass was to weakenCatholic sensibility so they
could get us to accept thoseissues.
They're not banning the TLMbecause it causes disunity,
they're banning it because itmakes people care about the
doctrines and moral teachings ofthe faithless.
Like it that's actually whathappens when you when you go to
an irreverent liturgy and yousee altar girls up there, and
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you see people receiving in thehand and they're dropping the
host, all those things theyweaken your Catholic
sensibilities.
And then you you think you havelike I've had arguments with
people that think they have areverent novus orto because they
don't have altar girls, and it'slike you're missing all the
other things going on.
SPEAKER_01 (38:47):
What's funny is most of the people who think they
have a reverent novus ordo dohave alter girl altar girl altar
boys, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:54):
That's it, it's because your your Catholic
sensibilities have been sodeteriorated, and a lot of that
is because people, a lot ofpeople are converts coming from
Protestantism where they had noliturgy, and then all of a
sudden they come into the novusordo and they're like, Oh, this
is structured, and this is youknow, this is the mass, and
they're and they're being taughtthis is where heaven meets
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earth, and this is and andthey're they think that's what's
going on, but it really itreally does it, it gives you a
Protestant sense of the faith ifyou attend that liturgy, because
how you how you pray is like howwhat you do affects how you
believe.
So if that if that's the ifthat's the liturgy you're going
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to, it's going to it's gonnamake you be like a relativist on
things.
It just is it's just look, ithappened to to to us.
SPEAKER_01 (39:46):
We grew up in this stuff.
I I honestly don't know a singleCatholic who it you know has
only ever attended the NovusOrdo that isn't a relativist.
SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
Or like, do you know a single cradle Catholic who
only went to the Novus Ordo thatdidn't leave the faith for a
period?
Like, I don't know if I knowone.
There might be some, I guess,but I don't I don't think any I
don't I don't think I know anyfamilies who like lived through
the papacy of John Paul II,raised their kids in the faith
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that their kid didn't leave thefaith.
SPEAKER_01 (40:23):
I don't I don't I don't think I know a single
cradle Catholic that that's Iknow one one of my good friends.
Uh it is the rarity though, itis not the norm by any means.
And he was he was homeschooled.
SPEAKER_02 (40:37):
Yeah, it's just not the norm by any means.
Like I and so we we saw thathappen in our lives.
We went to we went to school,and you saw every single one of
your Catholic friends or theother ones partying the most.
They're the one this is whatProtestants say about Catholics.
They're like, Oh, my Catholicfriends, they were the ones who
were going and getting high, andthey were doing drugs, and they
were doing that.
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It's because there was no actualCatholicism being instilled in
people when they grew up in thatnovice or atmosphere.
I mean, I don't know why this issuch a controversial thing to
say.
We all lived through it.
Oh, because it's a bunch of newcommercials.
This is this is that don'tunderstand what they had a new
converts coming in, they'relike, You're causing divisions.
(41:18):
Like, dude, I lived through it,I watched it, I watched every
single kid.
SPEAKER_01 (41:21):
I know what your kids will go through.
You do not want that for them.
If you love them, you will getthe hell out of there.
SPEAKER_02 (41:30):
I know.
Look, there are people who grewup in the Novus Ordo, left for a
while, and then had a reversion,but that's all you ever hear is
I'm a Catholic revert, right?
You never you don't you don'thear stories of people, oh, I
grew up in the Novus Ordo and Iwas with a faithful Catholic,
and then it is it is afaith-destroying culture.
I'm not gonna say the mass, theculture, the novice order
(41:52):
culture destroys the faith ofyour children.
Like it's well, the culture isformed by the liturgy, so of
course, but it uh the but justthe whole like the whole idea of
so many so many parents stickingtheir kids in the C C D program
just to just to get them throughthe sacraments, but like the
faith was never it was just ohno no, no, no, we just do this,
(42:14):
you know.
You have to make your communionand then you have to make your
confirmation.
Then you go for yourconfirmation, you never go back
to mass again.
No, I grew up in a freakingreally Catholic household.
Like my parents made me go tomass until I drove a car and and
moved out of the house.
When I was under my parents'roof, I had to go to mass.
As soon as I was out of theirroof, there was nothing
instilled in me that made mewant to keep going.
(42:34):
I believed in God, but it justwasn't just wasn't, I don't
know, and I don't want that formy kids at all.
So I'm trying to do somethingdifferent with my kids, and I'm
trying to bring them into aculture of way more Catholic
culture.
Like the the priest in thathomily was like, um, some people
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prefer Catholic identity toCatholic essence, and Catholic
essence is unity with the Popeand Bishops.
It's like Catholic identity isextremely important.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
Extremely important.
What's funny is it it is thenovus ordo that only gives you a
Catholic identity and doesn'tactually provide you the essence
of the Catholic faith.
So for someone to to use that asa reason to go to the novus ordo
is really like the height ofidiocy.
SPEAKER_02 (43:24):
It's it's just like what like we're we're trying to
do something different than ourparents did, and we're trying to
give our children a Catholicidentity.
Like, I really think MichaelMatt was really smart for naming
that conference that theCatholic Identity Conference,
because it felt like Catholicidentity was under attack under
Francis.
So it was like you were beingshamed for the uniqueness of
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being Catholic, like all thoseunique things we do as
Catholics, like the weird stuff.
Like, I want to be weird, Idon't want to be like any other
Christian denomination.
I want to be very unique in whatwe do, and that starts with the
way we worship.
That way we worship has to bereally unique compared to what
everybody else does.
And when you take that away, youtake you take you you make
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Catholics think they're justthey're just you know, you're
just you just happen to beyou're you're an American, you
just happen to be Catholicinstead of you're Catholic who
happens to be American.
Like your Catholic identityshould be first and foremost,
and then you're American.
We have it totally backwards,Taffy.
Don't worry, Anthony.
You're very easy.
(44:36):
All right, guys, I get it.
I'm I'm unique, I'm weird.
No, I like I don't I don't so Ibecause I I keep getting
everybody telling me howdivisive I am, and I don't I
don't think I'm divisive, Ithink I'm like saying what a ton
of people think what do theywant?
SPEAKER_01 (44:50):
Do they want us to be in unity with all the
bullshit going on?
SPEAKER_02 (44:53):
That's that's what I wonder.
It's well, the thing is thepeople defending this stuff,
it's like you I especiallybecause the a lot of them are
defending pre-conciliarCatholicism.
Like they come in, they comeinto the church and they convert
because they see the historicalcase for Catholicism, and
they're like, Oh, the church isthis, and they and they have a
pre-conciliar understanding ofwhat Catholicism is, and then
(45:16):
they come in and they're likeand and they're seeing all this
stuff happen and they're seeingit coming from the top of them
basically pushing liberalideology, and especially with
this insane open border stuff,which is I'm just I think this
is the I cannot emphasize enoughhow bad this is for
civilization.
Like, this is they are they aresetting us up.
(45:42):
I'm just telling you guys, theyare setting us up to divide and
conquer.
That is what is happening.
They are making it, they arepurposely doing this.
This is not about love for theimmigrant, none of it.
And I'm not going to pretendthat's what it is.
This is not about loving thepoor and the immigrants, this is
(46:04):
about dividing your nation soyou do not know who you can
stand together with, and thenthem gutting us from the inside
out, and they are going todivide and conquer our nations.
The entire West is going throughthis right now.
We are not going to be able todefend ourselves.
And man, I was listening toDaryl Cooper's introduction to
(46:24):
his series on World War II,right?
And just listening to whathappened to Germany after they
lost, and what the Allied forcesand what the Soviet Union did to
German women after Germany lostthe world war.
The horrors of what a conquerednation goes through by the by
(46:47):
the nations that conquer them.
Like, if we ever got into a warand were conquered by Russia or
China, do you have any idea whatlife would be like as a
conquered nation in a world war?
You guys do not have you do notunderstand the meaning of the
living will envy the dead.
You will watch your wife andchildren get you will you will
(47:09):
literally envy the dead.
SPEAKER_01 (47:11):
It would be interesting to do a genetic um
comparison of German Germansborn post 1946 compared to
Germans born pre-1946, and justto see the um the additional
percentage of Slavic geneticsthat entered Germany due to the
(47:32):
rape of German women byRussians.
I bet it's significant.
SPEAKER_02 (47:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, dude, like they almost wiped the
German gene out of existencethrough this.
And Father James Martin's in thechat and doom pilling, right?
No, listen, um, because this issomething where I think we have
a duty to stand againstimmigration.
Like, I think you have aChristian duty to stand against
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immigration, and I am in directconflict with the Pope on this
one.
Like, this isn't about internalchurch disputes about the
liturgy and stuff.
This is, I really think this isthis is scary stuff we're
talking about.
We're talking about themdividing our nate dividing and
(48:19):
conquering our nation.
I mean, this is this is this isthe Illuminati plan from from
for hundreds of years.
Like, that's what this was.
It's like order out of chaos,divide and conquer.
They'll they'll cause chaos inour nation, and then somebody
will come up and bring order outof the chaos, and we'll go and
follow that leader.
That is how things are gonna endup happening.
I'm not even saying the Pope isanti-white, I think the Pope is
(48:41):
naive, Fred, James Martin.
Please unblock me.
We uh we always have celebritiesin our chat, guys.
I don't know if you guys knowthis.
A lot of celebrities watch ourshow.
Um it is interesting, you neverdo know who's watching our show.
(49:02):
Because the the funny thing is,um like we're we're we're kind
of like the show talking aboutthis stuff now, right?
Like you you still havestanding, like some of the last
ones standing.
It's just just kind of howthings worked out.
So, like, even when I don't wantto talk about this stuff,
sometimes I kind of feel like wehave a duty to talk about it
(49:23):
because I I like I I don't Idon't know.
Um Metatomas says uh TLMers arebeing chastised because God
loves them more.
I mean that that you may youmight be right.
I mean, that's that's honestlythe logic of the saints, right?
Like God has the logic of theJews, anyways.
No, but like honestly, like thelike the the saints God loved
(49:45):
the most typically suffered themost, right?
And and how how we endure this,man, I have to I have to think
on it.
Like, I don't know, like justgetting off and like spouting
off about this stuff might notbe the right approach.
I don't I'm honestly just tryingto voice what I think a lot of
other people are feeling becausein I don't think I don't think
I'm that like that far outfield.
SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
It's not your job nor my job to think about what
is the best approach for thechurch for our show.
No, our our show has always justbeen you and I coming on here
and just talking about stuffhappening in the world, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (50:24):
But like there is a degree to which like the bigger
your show gets, the more of aresponsibility you have, right?
SPEAKER_01 (50:31):
I'm not I'm not I'm not saying we should ever come
and do something inherently youknow immoral.
SPEAKER_02 (50:37):
I'm just saying, like, we should we should be
careful about some of the thingswe say, I guess, but it's I I
don't think it's that faroutfield what we're saying.
Like, I I think anybody withcommon sense thinks what we
think, and I think the peoplewho would say we're crazy or
we're being schismatic, I feellike you guys aren't actually
looking at reality.
(50:58):
And I'm not going to say a manin address is a woman, and I'm
not gonna say up is down, andI'm not gonna say immigration is
a good thing.
SPEAKER_01 (51:05):
I'm just not going to do it, and I'm not gonna say
the novice order is Catholic.
SPEAKER_02 (51:09):
I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm not going to say
the Latin mass is is or or theNovus Ordo is just as good as
the Latin, it's just not.
No.
Like I I I am not somebody whothinks that they're like there's
no salvation outside the Latinmass.
(51:30):
I'm not.
I think that I think the NovusOrdo is a valid mass.
I think I'm not, it's none ofthat.
It's I know what happened to mein that culture, and I don't
want that culture for mychildren.
So if they do take it away, it'sgonna be about honestly though,
like so Metatomas is more on thePope Splaner side of things,
(51:54):
right?
But he has compassion for peoplegoing through this, and that's
that's what I'm hoping Wagner'svideo brings to people.
It's like, don't like rejoice inpeople losing their their home,
their families, because this iswhat you're dealing with here is
people in communities who haveformed bonds, their children
(52:15):
have friends that they know theparents are raising their kids
the same way because you go to aNova Soto parish, like a typical
Nova Soto parish, half thepeople going are just going for
because you know their parentswere Catholic and they just you
know they have to go through itto go through the sacraments.
Then you have half of them arefreaking support abortion, and
there's so much disunity in aNova Soto parish that it's hard
(52:38):
to find other families whobelieve like you do.
It's not the norm.
Where when you go to atraditional parish, nearly every
other parent thinks the way youdo, and you're trying your best
to raise your children in thesame culture, so you can let
your kids be friends with theother kids at the parish and you
form these bonds and give yourchildren an opportunity to grow
up around other Catholicfamilies.
(52:58):
There's homeschoolingcommunities around them, there's
all these different things thatbuild culture.
And when you break up a thinglike that, you're ripping
families apart, you're rippingapart some families' only chance
to instill the faith to the nextgeneration.
It is freaking evil andinsidious.
I do not care.
Not going to sit here and tellpeople to just take it.
(53:19):
Like, no, this is vile what theyare doing.
Evil, like evil, what they aredoing.
Yep.
So uh, all right, we're gonnaleave that here.
I we've gotta go over to locals.
We have um we have some someinside baseball for locals, as
(53:39):
Molly would say.
We're gonna spill the tea overon locals.
SPEAKER_01 (53:42):
But what?
SPEAKER_02 (53:42):
Uh oh Cameron.
Cameron Cameron Cameron and Italk to Milo.
So I gotta I gotta I gotta findout what the Groper is gonna
disown us if we talk to Milo.
Because I want to interviewMilo.
I think I will get a phenomenalMilo interview.
So I know I know a lot of yougropers hate hate Milo, but I
(54:05):
don't know what to tell youguys.
SPEAKER_01 (54:06):
At the very least, we will make it funny one way or
another.
Whether it's successful or anabsolute failure, you will
laugh.
SPEAKER_02 (54:16):
I'm interested to see like the behind the scenes
of what happened with him andNick.
I'd like to hear that story.
Um, but also like I've kind offollowed Milo since 2015.
I I I watched him on GavinMcKinnon's show, and all that.
So I I'm very interested to gethis uh I want to hear his story,
man.
I want to hear what made himcome to the faith.
(54:36):
I want to hear him talk aboutwhat made him want to stop
practicing the gay lifestyle, alot of things.
So we'll talk, we'll talk aboutmy conversation with Milo on the
other side because he uh he andI did speak, and um and we'll
talk about Cameron.
This Cameron, he's got somenerve.
He's got some nerve, Cameron.
(54:57):
This kid.
He will be on, Cameron.
Cameron will be on November 6th,and we're gonna have fun with
that interview because we'regonna tease him a bit.
So, all right, guys, if you guysare not members already, join us
over on locals.
That's where we uh that's wherewe have more fun.
So I apologize for rantingtonight.
Usually you guys like my rants.
(55:18):
I don't know, it was afrustrating week.
Thursday, Aaron Gorn.
Thursday, Aaron Gorn, Thursday.
Aaron Gorn is a Protestantpastor who became Catholic and
took 17 people along for thejourney.
SPEAKER_01 (55:34):
And he used to be very anti-Catholic, knew Keith
Naster back in Keith's uhProtestant days, and tried to
convince him not to convert.
SPEAKER_02 (55:46):
And now we got this is what's really interesting
about this is Aaron found usthrough Keith.
Aaron watches a lot of ourshows.
Like Aaron's been since he'sbeen Protestant, has been
watching our show, and he's justbeen hanging in the chat and
like like hinting around thatlike Catholicism seems more and
(56:07):
more appealing to him, you know.
And then finally he came intothe church this past Easter,
taking 17 people with him.
Now, a couple of weeks ago, uhKeith Nestor had this young
18-year-old kid, Dominic, callinto his show, and the kid lives
on Long Island.
So Keith, after the show, Keithsaid, Hey, I'm gonna hook you up
with my friend Anthony and seeif he can get you to a Latin
mass.
(56:28):
Uh well, Keith just said, I'mgonna hook you up with a couple
of Catholics on Long Island.
So the kid had gone to a NovusOrto, like a beautiful Novus
Ordo church, like the a reallybeautiful parish.
And the kid was very attractedto the beauty of the faith.
So Keith puts me in touch withhim.
I take the kid to uh to St.
Rocco's, a Latin mass, and hebrings his Protestant pastor dad
(56:51):
with him.
So I meet his, I meet him.
His dad I said his dad wasprobably like, I'm not letting
you.
What do you mean you're going tomass with some guy?
Like, what do you what do youmean you're going to mass with
some guy?
So I met his dad after mass.
We had a we had a goodconversation.
And uh Dominic just texted meyesterday, actually, and he
asked me if he could come tomass with me again.
(57:13):
And he's and he said, Um, hesaid, uh, let's see.
What did he say here?
Uh, okay.
He said, he said, by the way, Ilove your show.
I've been watching it a lot.
All the Catholic guys I watchalways end up on there.
I said, Really?
Who who do you watch?
He said, I'm a big Wagner fan.
Also, I know he's Orthodox, butJay Dyer.
(57:35):
So he so he's seen Wagner on ourshow.
SPEAKER_01 (57:37):
He's seen Jay Dyer watches Dyer and Wagner.
SPEAKER_02 (57:40):
So what happened was his the reason he even got
introduced to some of this stuffis he had a a Greek Orthodox
friend who was trying to get himto go to orthodoxy, and he winds
up looking into Catholicism.
Now the kid's coming to Latinmass at me.
Like that the it it for all youpeople who think we're so
divisive, like there's justpeople with different
temperaments and different waysof looking at things, and we're
(58:01):
all Catholic.
Everybody just chill out.
We'll have different roles inthis thing.
Plus, I'm way more divisive thanAnthony.
Way more.
Keith Nestor's like theevangelist, and he just wants to
bring people to the church.
Wagner's the Thomas, and he'strying to get into the
intricacies of scholasticism.
We're just like, I don't know,we just fire off at the hip and
(58:22):
whatever the hell's on our mindwhen we talk about it.
We all have our different roles.
It doesn't mean we're at likethere's any enmity between the
different groups.
We're all Catholic.
We got to figure out how to makethis thing work.
We got to come up with a way tounite our front and push back on
some of this insanity.
And I don't know what the rightapproach is still.
I keep talking about that.
I don't know.
I'm trying to work this outalong with you guys.
(58:46):
Don't, don't, don't, you know,don't take don't take uh the the
words of a of a New Yorkconstruction worker as
infallible.
That's all I'll tell you.
Like, I don't know, I don't knowwhat to do sometimes.
So this is why I tell Zoomerswho hate on ant to shut up.
They pro clutch and don't knowhow to talk to people.
So true.
Look, yeah, because I I think Ithink some people are very
(59:08):
repelled by some of the things Isay, and I think some people
just need to hear.
Like, we're all just different,man.
It just just everybody's gottheir now.
You're so now you're soundinglike an open relativist.
I'm for ecumenical dialoguewithin the different Catholic
tribes.
SPEAKER_01 (59:24):
I am.
Hold on, hold on.
This this is perfect.
SPEAKER_02 (59:29):
Some of the hands, some of the feet, and some of
the has to be the ass.
Somebody has to be the ass.
I am very fine being I'm the assand the mouth.
Yes.
All right, we're going over tolocals, guys.
Come join us.
There's more fun over there.
If you have fun on this side, Ipromise you, you guys are like
the other side.
Take us out, Rob.
SPEAKER_05 (59:49):
I snap my fingers.
You'll forget that you're evergay.
I was never gay.
Exactly.
Wait, no, stop.
No, stop.
You can't.
I was never gay.
Okay.
No, I was never gay.
Sure.
You can't just s state somethingand slap your fingers and then
be like I was never gay.
You say so.
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