The Eve of the Most Important Conclave in History?

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
SANTE MISERICANDE AMARE MORTI NECRADAS NUS IN TEI

(00:22):
SPERA VERUM In taste, there arevermin.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Alleluia, alleluia, alleluia, alleluia, alleluia,
alleluia, alleluia, alleluia.
You guys ready for 20 years ofthat.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You guys ready for?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
it Rob's out.
He's tapping the side.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
He doesn't even want to sit around.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
It is the eve of the most important conclave in the
history of the church, if youask me, I don't even think
that's an understatement.
Does anybody disagree with thatstatement?
I mean, I really think this isthe most important conclave in
the history of the church, butI'm also a narcissist and I
think everything's about me, somaybe I'm a bit wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I don't know.
I'm glad I didn't have to saythat this time.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Michael, how have you been brother?

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Tired.
I was on a trip this pastweekend and I came back.
I barely got any sleep theentire time, so I'm catching up.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
How come you didn't head to Rome?
I would have thought LaPontawould have had somebody to send
you over there.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
What am I going to do over there?
I'm going to out and and talkto.
You know, talk to press and andbe a self-sucking uh attention
I have such a promo right now,man there are.
There are journalists overthere who have a reason to be
there and and that's great,they're reporting on what's

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going on.
Um, there are some people thathave the ability to to reach a
larger crowd, maybe, andencourage people in Rome to pray
, but, quite honestly, it wouldserve no purpose for me to be
there.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It just other than to be there for the excitement of
the white smoke, because yeah,look I.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I am looking forward to the next pope as much as
anybody.
I've been looking forward tothe next pope for 12 years.
Um, but the fact of the matteris that, um, I I'm not going to
be able to affect that at alland I I don't need to be in
saint peter's square to toparticipate spiritually, so I

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just didn't see the point inbeing there.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
They say gambling on the election used to be you
could be excommunicated.
Is that still the case if thePope ends up being an inveterate
gambler himself?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I don't know.
I'll ask Cardinal Tagli if hehas any.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
So I actually had somebody reach out to me and
they just DM'd me and they saidthis might be a last-second
mudslinging, but there seems tobe quite a few last-minute
points of interest about somePapabili.
Apparently, cardinal Tagli verymuch likes to gamble, but
honestly, I grew up with mostlypolynesians and filipinos, and

(03:25):
filipinos love to gamble andsing karaoke, so maybe he is
just being a filipino you go tothe the horse track it's um.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, he's chinese um , well, I.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
So I was on with gordon yesterday.
We were talking about like somany of these stories are last
ditch efforts to influence theconcrete.
Sure, like they just are,because these guys don't know
each other and their onlyexposure to these guys is the
media.
A lot of the times, you know so, they see a front page story on
on the Times of Rome orwhatever newspapers over there

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and it's like like whoa, I don'tknow if I want to go with this
guy.
You know, hey, great to seehitch and I love rob and anthony
.
God bless you all.
Now, I don't know if that'skatherine.
Uh, it's probably katherine.
Katherine probably runs thataccount.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
She's up late, um but uh, he's still in tennessee, or
did they go back?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
no, no they, they headed home right I assume so
yeah, I saw they put a video outwith Dr Kwasniewski.
Today I saw a short, shortvideo with them.
So, um, now, um, I am, um, letme just see, okay.
So, michael, I've I've beenbouncing between um hope and not

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not, despair.
Doom, like hope in that maybeGod will work something in this
conclave, and doom, just lookingat the human element, like,
okay, this is not going to gowell because we've seen what the
past 12 years have been.
Now this carnage could continueon.
The revolution could continue.

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It's a very strong possibilitythat it will.
But I reached out to you and Isaid because I have a few
theories too, but I wasinterested in hearing what your
theory was not a theory, butyour, your, your your initial
impressions.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
So the best I can give you is an educated guess.
Yeah, um, I I better thananthony is uneducated guess,
that's true.
I don't have a crystal ball.
I can't see into the future.
I don't have any mysticalpowers.
So the best I can say is I'mlooking at the current situation

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as it is From a purely humanstandpoint.
I think we get a moderate atworst, at worst, yeah, at worst,
um, and that's just from apurely human standpoint.
And the reason for that?
First of all, most of theCardinals don't know each other.
They've never met, uh, there'snever been a consistory.

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So when Pope Francis wouldelevate these people to as
Cardinals, the only ones thatwould get to know each other
were the ones that were beingelevated at the same time.
That's it.
So they don't know each other.
I think that even those who weresupporters of Francis the last
time around are sufferingFrancis fatigue fatigue.

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Cardinal Maradiaga, allegedlyyesterday, left Rome in a huff
because he was accusing peopleof being Francis turncoats.
He didn't think that they weresupportive enough of Francis's
regime and his program.
So I think that there isFrancis fatigue, even among the
cardinals.
So this is one of the reasonswhy I think we're going to get a
moderate at worst when it comesto voting.

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They're going to be going overnames.
They're going to have a bunchof different people that they
put forward and at first it'sgoing to be a huge number
because, again, each other,they're going to elevate their
buddies.
First it's going to be a hugenumber because, again, each
other, they're going to elevatetheir buddies.
They're going to say, ok, well,actually, I really kind of like
what this guy says, or I likewhere this guy stands on things.
He's a prominent figure.
I've seen him out there before.
I'll put his name on the ticket, but it's going to be a large

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smattering.
It's going to be a long list ofpeople that get nominated and
that that list is going to bewinnowed down as time goes by.
Now let me say, the longer ittakes for them to come to a
conclusion, the better it is forus.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Because that means one of two things, one, or it
means several things at the sametime.
One it means that there is nounited front that is allowing a
block for the leftists.
It also means that theindividual cardinals really

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don't have a clue who theyshould pick, and they'll be
working things out and debatingand putting forward nominees and
it's just going to keep goingon and on and on.
Now there are rules that saythat at some point they have to
say, ok, everybody who had thisnumber of votes.

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And no, you know they, theystay on the ticket and we keep
voting that way, but it stillhas to be two thirds majority.
Keep voting that way, but itstill has to be two-thirds
majority.
Yeah, so if you have twocandidates, if it's 50 50, it
could be gridlocked, yeah, while.
And then at some point they mayeven say, okay, we can't do
these two candidates anymorebecause it's locked.

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50 50, that means they got,they got to go to a whole new
system and say, okay, let's justnominate anybody and then we'll
pick two others and say you twoare on the ticket and we'll run
you.
So again, the longer it goes,the better it is for us.
I think that, and again, this isjust from a human standpoint.

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80% of the cardinals that arevoting were chosen by Pope
Francis.
80% of the Cardinals that arevoting were chosen by Pope
Francis.
That's not a good thing from ahuman standpoint, but I don't
know that he actually knows whoall those guys are.
He went way out of hisperipheries.
It's not like he's taking apoll and saying, okay, now who

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is most supportive of synodalityand you're the one I'm going to
pick.
We don't really know.
We don't know what criteria heused for choosing these
cardinals.
A lot of times it was likewho's this guy?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
yeah, well, somebody somebody's pointing out that the
cardinals needed the synods.
Francis didn't invite thecardinals to the synod.
That's the craziest thing, likehe did all these synods every
year, or every.
You know, there were three yearin a row periods where he had
all these bishops and laitycoming to rome and did not
invite the cardinals to come,which is a very interesting

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thing, because before theconclave that elects francis,
there was the saint gala mafiameeting regularly to make sure
they got their guy, and that isnot the case this time.
Those guys are pretty much allgone and it's it's a whole.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
okay.
So there there is still anunderground of individuals, a
network of of hardcore leftists,and I would say the soup
bitches tobin's, mackleroy's um,I wouldElroy's Um, I would put.
I don't know if I would puttoggling in that group.
I think toggling is just aclown.
Um, zuppi Holerick, I would putin that, in that camp.

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Uh, car Cardinal marks, I wouldput in that camp.
So these are your hardcoreleftists who are trying to wreck
the church.
I think to wreck the church, Ithink.
I think it's their intention toactually wreck these are.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I don't mean to talk over you, Michael, I'm sorry.
Everybody gets mad.
These are the men that thatCardinal Mueller said this is a
hostile takeover of the Catholicchurch.
When he saw these men beingelevated, cardinal Mueller was
like this is a hostile takeoverof the Catholic church we're
witnessing right now.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah.
So I think that the cadre ofthe hard leftist is a small
group.
They're going to vote as ablock, but they're small and
they're certainly not going toget two thirds.
And I think that, because ofthe popularity, the publicity of
who they are in public is goingto cause those Cardinals who

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are at least moderate to look atthem and say, whoever they pick
, I'm not picking.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
And that's a great big I mean, that's a huge move.
Whoever they support, I'm notsupporting.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
So you know, the politicking that goes on in a
conclave is pretty incredible.
It's the most political thingyou've ever seen in your life
and I've never been to one, I'veonly read about them.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's all these deals being made right.
So I made the point that in thelast conclave that elected
Francis, you had a lot ofnaivete, like these guys didn't
know who he was.
So once he had kind of a groundswelling, he was a new face.
I think they went in and theywere like all right, we just
went through John Paul II andBenedict.
You know we'll trust that theHoly Spirit is going to guide

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the church on this sametrajectory, whereas after going
through the last 12 years, Idon't think the more
conservative cardinals are goingto.
They're going to be 100% ontheir guard.
They're going to go into thissaying we're putting our foot
down.
We are not allowing anotherrevolutionary in this spot.
I'm praying that's the case.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
That's absolutely the case.
I'm sure you know, edwardPenton and Diane Montagna put
together a booklet of profilesof, I think, 30 or 40 different
Cardinals, a lot of them public,you know, the papabile, the
ones that were most expected tobe put on a ticket somewhere and
they profiled them and theysaid where do they stand on

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synodality, where do they standon LGBT stuff?
Where do they stand oncommunion for divorced and
remarried?
So all of the hot button issueswithin the church right now.
They put in those profiles sothat and they handed out a bunch
of them, I think they handedout 30 or 40 of them when the
cardinals first arrived and theysaw people in cafes, you know,

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just thumbing through, lookingat these profiles, because they
don't again's, they don't again,they don't know each other and
they want to get to know eachother did you see the way?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
did you see the way cnn presented that whole
scenario?

Speaker 4 (13:35):
I heard about it, but I didn't read I didn't rob.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You want to bring that article up?
We'll take.
We'll just take a glance at itreal quick, yeah, um.
So when the cardinals enteredthe sistine chapel on wednesday
at the start of the conclave theprocess of electing a new pope
they will be sealed off from theworld, but that doesn't stop
people from trying to influencethe thinking of the prelates who
will choose a successor.
The electors are allowed to takein written materials and, in

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the days leading up to theconclave, have been offered a
book on their fellow cardinals,one which contains a clear
message, titled the College ofCardinals Report.
It offers profiles on around 40candidates, including a
breakdown on where they stand ontopics such as same-sex
blessings, ordaining femaledeacons in the churches,
teaching on contraception.
The subtext choose a pope whowill take the church in a

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different direction than PopeFrancis, whose progressive
reforms angered someconservatives.
We won't go through the wholearticle, but like they're
presenting it as if like thiswas such a hostile move and it's
like the things that they didbefore Francis's conclave
they're talking like this islike a late taste in 10 CA
excommunicable offense to gethanded a booklet with

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information about Cardinals init.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Right.
So, christopher, or was itchristopher lamb?
Yeah uh, let me see if I canfind yeah, did I put chris
lamb's tweet in there?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
rob, I think I might have put his tweet in.
You put about 30 differentthings in here I know I didn't
put chris for lamb's tweet.
Can you find it?

Speaker 4 (15:03):
yeah, I found it.
So he wrote cardinals choosingthe next pope have been offered
a dossier on candidates with asubtext choose a pope who will
take the church in a differentdirection to francis.
Yeah, it's basically the quotefrom the article and then he
says two church lawyers see thisas an unwarranted attempt to
influence the conclave.

(15:24):
So I wrote you mean likeMcCarrick and Daniels did in
2013?
Give us a break.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, so I put two videos in, Rob.
One is Cardinal Stella,Critical of Francis.
I went and I listened to theJesuit magazine America magazine
podcast today just to see,because I want to know what the

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liberals are saying.
Like, I know what we're sayingand we're dealing with hopium
Right.
So, like you see, I put outarticles about like Cardinal
Sarah has a chance and it's likecome on, stop.
I want to believe that.
So bad, but I just don'tbelieve it.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
But I went Is is, is is kale Zeldin, referring to one
of those lawyers.
So-called is yeah, is that DonGoldstein?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Who, just, who, just became a cannon lawyer last year
oh my God.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I know what do you think Honestly, before we even
get to anything else, what doyou think the Dawn Edens, the
Mark Shays, what will they do ifyou get a pope in who's a
return to even a Benedict orsomething, a return to like even
even a Benedict or something?

Speaker 4 (16:47):
you know, yeah.
So first of all, their headswould explode.
Second of all, their uh, theirultra Montanism would disappear
instantly.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Uh, and third of all, I think that they would lead a
revolution and say he's ananti-Pope and call for a
brokered conclave or somethingalong those lines.
In other words, the split inthe church already exists.
They will actualize it if areal Catholic becomes the Pope.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Okay, so let's work through that.
That's a very because I havethe same intuition that if you
get a conservative in there andI hate using that word
conservative but like if you gota real Catholic Pope, An actual
Catholic Pope, Like an actualCatholic Pope in there, Because
I was talking to Cale Zeldinabout this Like I think if you
got an actual Catholic Pope inthere, the left would have to

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come up with a counter.
Like you'll get two claimantsto the throne in a case.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
But it's not going to happen.
Look, metal fatigue is a realthing.
Okay, if you take it in a carantenna and you wrench it to the
left and then you wrench it tothe right, after about two or
three times it's going to snap.
Yeah, and the fact of thematter is the church, the
faithful, have been wrenched tothe left, they've been wrenched

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to the right and it's going backand forth in that metal fatigue
.
It's on the verge of snapping.
The question is, which way isit going to break?
I think that the church willalways break to the right.
She'll take the faithful withher, and it is the, it is the
apostates who will leave.
They have to.

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So what does that look?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
like if you look through church history, like
basically exactly what you said,michael you have the, the, the
trads, or you know the, thestaunchly um, you know
conservative um, and then youhave the moderates, and then you
have the progressives, andusually it's the so-called trads
and the moderates workingsomething out, and then the

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progressives, you know breakingaway as some sort of heresy or
apostasy or something like that.
Okay, so what does that looklike in action?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
right?
So does that like when you'retalking getting down to the
bishops in the United States?
Does that look like in action?
Right?
So does that like when you'retalking getting down to the
bishops in the United States?
Does that look like CupichHolorik?
And these guys all go with thisother claimant?

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Not initially no.
So here's what I think wouldhappen let's go ahead and play
what if right?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
So what if, huh, we're war.
Gaming Like this is a war game.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Like we're just playing war games.
So what if we get a Pius XIIIor a Leo XIV?
Okay, a Pope who truly upholdseverything the church teaches
and wants to suppress theenemies of the faith.
You get that person and it'sgoing to be kind of a repeat,

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initially, of what happened, notgoing to work because they've
stirred up their support base somuch, so much that the support
base is going to demand action.
Now, supich is already over age.
He's going to be kicked to thecurb.
He's gone.
Okay, uh, tobin tobin's kind ofkept his head down.

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Uh, he doesn't really speak outabout things.
He, he operates more behind thescenes.
Mcelroy, I think he's going tobe medical, medically retired.
He's gone.
So you, you get these hardcoreleftists Hollerick Marx, um, the
Germans, the German, yeah,exactly the Germans.
Uh, you're going to have evensome of the uh, the known,

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probably known, uh, freemasonsfrom Italy and France.
They're going to be removed.
Um, at some point you're goingto have a mass exodus of all the
leftists.
Mark Shea and uh, um, I wouldactually say mike, mike lewis,

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uh, I mean he's, he's nuts, he'slost his mind.
So those individuals are goingto march left right over the
cliff with all the otherlemmings and they're going to
take as many people as they canwith them.
It's it's almost like whathappened in in apocalypse,
apocalypse 12.
And there was a great battle inheaven.

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Michael and his angels foughtwith the dragon, and the dragon
fought with his angels, and theyprevailed.
Not.
Neither was their place foundanymore in heaven.
Now, what was it that our ladyof Akita said?
She said that the devil wouldinfiltrate into the church in
such a way that we will seebishops against bishops and

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cardinals against cardinals.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Now we thought we've seen that already, but you think
it's going to be way bigger.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
We haven't really.
We've seen.
We've seen some arguing, we'veseen some debating, but we
haven't seen a real battle, andI think that that battle is
going to be over a massiveschism and I think that it's
going to be about this, papacy.
I really, truly believe that.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I don't see how it's not Like I've talked about this
on the show a few times whereit's like, even if you get a
more conservative Benedicttheict the 17th or I mean I
don't know about a jp3, but abenedict the 17th who just wants
to even be more like of acontemplative man who just wants
to dial back some of theinsanity, I think that that

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lurch left is going to be sofurious at the lack of
progression that they're goingto do this like, like.
I don't see how there's not asplit.
We're living in a materiallyschismatic church already.
It just needs to be formalized,and I don't see how that
doesn't come.
I mean, we are we're you'redealing with and I think Rob is
right too where it's going to be.

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The conservatives and the tradsare going to come to an
understanding.
What's going to be interestingto see is how the pope splainers
work out in this, because theyseem like they were, they were
so on board with the francisstuff that I don't know what
they're going to do I thinkwe'll see a split there.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I think you'll see some who really were just trying
to be loyal to the papacy andsome who are playing that angle
but are really leftists.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yes.
So if you look at the waythings went when Humanae Vitae
was published, I think thatthat's a foretaste of what's
going to happen when we get anOrthodox Pope.
Because Humanae Vitae to beperfectly honest, I've read it,
I've used it before as afoundational document to try and

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explain things to the leftistsand to say that what these guys
are doing is against churchteaching.
But it's actually kind of aweak document.

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It doesn't make the case thatcontraception is intrinsically
evil.
It simply makes the case thatit's impermissible within the
bounds of marriage.
It makes no argument about itfrom a natural law perspective.
So this is kind of problematic.
So what has to happen?
Well, what happened afterHumanae Vitae was published?
You had a bunch of leftists whosaid okay, we're going to sign
an open letter to the Pope andsay we're not going to follow
you and you're going to have anentire bishops conference up in
Canada going.
We're not going to follow youand we're just going to tell

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people go ahead and usecontraception according to your
conscience.
If it's okay with yourconscience, you can do it.
That's what happened revolutionin the church.
That happened after HumanaeVitae was promulgated and
nothing happened to them.
Now what I think is going tohappen.
You get a faithful Orthodoxpope.
Initially, everybody's going toplay along, to get along.

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Oh good, we applaud our newhappy pope, we're glad he's
there and we love our pope,uh-huh.
And then he's going to sign anencyclical against the homo
heresy and he's going to sayanybody who supports sodomy in
any way, shape or form, anybodywho affirms those who are in a

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homosexual relationship as goodand faithful practicing
Catholics, anybody who affirmssomebody in a sexual identity
that is not their own naturalbiology, those people are
automatically outside the church.
A document like that comes down.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Something like that.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Something like that, and I guarantee you you're going
to have the same kind of openrebellion, except there won't be
any tolerance of the rebellionthis time.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
the thing is I think, we've learned our lesson there
yes, well, it's not.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
It's not just that.
It's almost like the francispapacy was preparation for this,
like I don't see how.
I don't see how it's not right.
So is francis a one-off?
Is the question right so?

Speaker 4 (26:09):
I I, I really hope so right so why I and I said this
back in 2013 or 2014, shortlyafter he was elected, so one
year into the papacy and andalready there were things that
were coming out and it was kindof like there's a problem here.
I'll never forget it wasNovember of 2013 or no, it was

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November of 2014.
And I was at the USCCB's annualassembly up in Baltimore
because I always hung aroundthere and just kind of ticked
off a bunch of bishops, but Iwould hang around and Michael
Sean Winters from the NationalCatholic Reporter came up to me
and I was talking to him.
I handed him my card, told himI started Lepanto Institute.

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He said oh, lepanto, what areyou going to do?
Sink the Turkish Navy?
And I said oh, yeah, funny.
And I said actually we aregoing to be arraigned against
those who are enemies of thechurch and we're going to
continue to fight against theheresies and whatnot.
And he says you know, for along time you have called us

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dissenters.
He said but now, now thatFrancis is in, you're the
dissenter.
Yeah, that was a really kind ofeye-opening conversation because
he had already acknowledgedthat they got their guy and I
was still kind of I'm not sure.
I mean, he's kind of sayingsome things I don't like, but
I'm not sure, and theneverything kind of blew up in

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2015.
But the fact of the matter isthey knew they got their guy.
I don't think it's going tohappen again.
I also remember reading aninterview or not an interview,
it was a news article wheresomebody observed one of
Francis's cardinals one of theones that voted for him arguing
with him outside the Vaticanwalls.

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I guess he was going somewhere,and they met up and it was a
loud argument.
It was kind of heated.
And they met up and it was aloud argument, it was kind of
heated, and all they heard waswe didn't elect you to destroy
the church.
We elected you to reform thechurch, and you know.
So there was one that supportedhim and already the cracks were

(28:20):
showing.
So again, this is why I thinkwe're not going to see Francis
too.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I agree.
Well, I think the one goodthing we are hearing is all of
the guys that are beingmentioned, not one of them is
talking about taking the nameFrancis.
The second, like it's got somuch baggage to it.
Every single man in thatconclave is like oh, maybe john
the 24th, you know, or but wereally do need, we need a
pre-conciliar name to come outof this thing.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Right, it would be, it would be amazing to get an
urban or uh you know, I mean wecould have another clement in
the last clement suppress thejesuits.
So we just need to do it again.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
What we really need is a gregory like another.
Gregory the great is what wereally need.
Yeah, something like that.
So if we saw something likethat coming out, I think right
away, the name he chooses isgoing to carry a lot of weight.
Now, michael, there's somethingweighing on me and I'm not
kidding Every single person Italk to, just I mean, I'm seeing

(29:23):
it from everywhere, everybody'sjust like I can't shake the
idea that it's going to be pizzaball, like something about that
man where you're hearingstories of him in Rome just
being prayerful, not minglingwith the other cardinals and
stuff, but his name keepsgetting thrown out there.
There's something about a manwho is the head of a persecuted

(29:43):
church.
It's so foreign from what weexperience in the west.
Right in the west, it's allwe're on youtube and gossiping,
but over in, over in in the holyland, it's like real
persecution, like there'schristians being killed for
their faith over there, and Ithink when you're the head of a
church like that, so something alittle bit different, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Rather and move your, move your mic cord around.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
It's really bad it is crackling a little staticky,
just a touch any better.
So most of you, I I agree withyou.
I think that, um, I think thatpizza balla is a, I think he's a
strong contender.
I, I would prefer him in manyways If you look at it just from

(30:27):
the prophecy standpoint.
Let's interesting that the lastone mentioned and this would be
that election is Peter theRoman.

(30:53):
So what's interesting aboutpizza Bala is that his first
name is Peter Pietro.
Uh, so he's, he's a Peter, he'sItalian and he's in the Holy
Land, he's in Jerusalem later.
You've got.
You've got May 13th, our ladiesor lady of Fatima's feast day.

(31:34):
Six days would be like a newcreation, wouldn't it?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
So I don't know, there are all sorts of it would
be the most symbolic gesturefrom heaven ever if it took six
days for them to end up and,let's say, if Pizza Boy steps
out on the 13th.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I'm looking for white smoke on the 13th personally.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I mean that would be, in modern times, the longest
election in history.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yes, but I I told you already I expect it to take
longer than usual for thereasons I already gave.
And that's again just justbecause of the, the debating and
the going back and forth andtrying to figure someone out.
It's going to take them a whileto figure someone out.
It's going to take them whileto figure something out.
I and and again, the longer ittakes, the better it is I've

(32:31):
been.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I've been goofing around with the dolan thing.
I know my feelings exactly,michael it's just so funny how
mad people get when you say it Ican just see him going out on
the logia with a donut in hand,yeah talking about talking about

(32:54):
ramadan slapping the guy nextto him on the back ha that is
him.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
You just you have to like if he if he wasn't chorus
line up there with him.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
You know doing the can can if he wasn't American,
though, he is the perfectinterim candidate.
Like he's just he's he.
He likes to please everyone.
He just he would go in and try,but he would learn real quick.
You can't play both sides ofthe fence, and I think that's
any pope that goes in there isgoing to learn real quick.

(33:28):
You cannot play both sides ofthe fence.
You're either going to beCatholic or you're not.
There's no placating the otherside.
You either have to do whatFrancis was doing, and Francis
had to make a decision.
I don't even think it was adecision.
I think he went in with thisidea'm gonna placate the germans
and I'm gonna excommunicate thetrads, essentially.

(33:48):
But those, those two camps, areso ideologically separate that
they can't exist under one body.
Like they just can't.
It's just.
It's too much of a headache tohave real catholics watching
what the german church is doingand not do something about them.
Like he, those men should havebeen dealt with a very long time

(34:10):
ago and they've just beenallowed to to run roughshod all
over the church.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
I mean, look, the modernists, uh, who got their
ugly rise in the late 1800s,were finally suppressed.
I mean, it was Pius IX whopointed out that there was a
problem with modernism.
He put out his list ofcondemned propositions, which
was effectively modernism, andthen that festered over and over

(34:38):
and over until Pius X, and PiusX, in 2000, said enough.
He put out his I can't think ofthe name of the encyclical,
it's right on the tip of mybrain.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
While Michael's thinking of the encyclical, I'll
give you a second to thinkabout it.
If Dolan wins, I will popespleen so freaking hard.
You guys will die, I'm tellingyou right now.
I'm going to be the Michael Lolofton of the dolan papacy.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm just the part of akita where it says the uh
living envy the dead.
Oh, you will.
You will envy the dead if thatman gets elected.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I didn't steal that line from um.
I stole the line from um adrian.
Actually, that's not.
It's not a majorian's line,it's adrian's line.
Uh, did you find the?

Speaker 4 (35:27):
encyclical yeah, pachendi, dominici greges.
So, uh, pachendi was publishedin 2000 or in 1910 and what
happened was the modernistsdidn't suddenly go away.
A few of them wereexcommunicated, a little handful
of them, but but there werehundreds of these modernists,
thousands, and they werepublishing papers and they were

(35:51):
writing in articles, and this iswhy their heresy was spreading.
But what happened was they said, okay, we'll sign the oath
against modernism and they wentunderground.
So where the Protestant revoltsaid we're going to split from
the church, we are rebellingagainst your authority, the
modernists, which are effectiveProtestants, said, well, okay,

(36:15):
I'll go ahead and say what youwant to hear and then I will
continue on to spread mymodernism in a different way.
And over the next 10 years theyswitched gears and started
really kind of hiding theirmeaning.
So instead of declaring things,okay, we believe that the way

(36:38):
to do exegetical work withscripture is to say that there
was a difference between ahistorical Christ and the
biblical Christ.
And the miracles are not thesame as the stories, and sure
you can take them in a spiritualsense and be faithful to that,
or you can take it in ahistorical sense and be faithful
to that, instead of themplaying those kinds of mind

(36:59):
games.
The modernists became thenouveau telelogy, where they
wrote such gobbledygook.
I mean, they spent chapterswriting absolute nonsense.
No one could figure out whatthey were saying.
But that's the problem withcommunism.
Communists use what's calleddouble talk, double speak, they

(37:21):
say something in such a way thatit has a particular meaning,
but you have to cut through allthe fat to get to it.
Uh, also, they empty out themeaning of certain words and
they replace that meaning with anew meaning which they may have
redefined in a differentchapter.
But again, unless, unlessyou're digging through it and
finding it out, you don't getthere I mean it was.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
It was the francis papacy.
It's exactly what we dealt,where he would say something
very clearly in the firstparagraph and then throw some
footnotes in.
That would upend the entirething.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Or the last few paragraphs contradict the first
few.
Got the modernist mumbo jumbomixed in with nouveau tale, oj,
intellectualism.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
That made no sense.
And then you had the ambiguouslack of clarity.
And I'm not going to declaresomething right or wrong, I'm
just going to talk around it andmake it look like it's one way
or the other, so that it can beread in multiple ways, a la
Vatican II.
So you have this problem.
We've seen this problem.
It's been argued to death, todeath.

(38:33):
People are sick of it.
They want clarity.
They don't want any more marblemouth explanations of things
they want.
Is this right or is this wrong?
Am I going to heaven or am Igoing to hell?
You tell me the path what Ilove?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
what I love about this is that it's optimistic
doom.
Like rob, I've been I, becauseI I rob said I was being very
selfish to say I want twoclaimants out of this conclave.
But it's not because, look, mykids are grown and it is a lot

(39:09):
different for me, rob.
Rob wants to be able to raisehis kids in the faith.
I understand all that, but Ijust want the real Catholic
faith preach.
And if that means us goingthrough some hard times and
suffering, like it's just wehave to go through this, that
there has to be a death of thisthing that we're talking about
and a resurrection must comeforth.

(39:30):
And it cannot happen unless thething we're looking at dies.
It's just.
You know, stop romanticizingthe destruction.
It's not destruction of thechurch, it's the resurrection of
the church.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
But it could mean the destruction of millions of
souls, though.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
You know what Scripture is very clear about
that?
It says that they have burningears to hear the preaching that
they want to hear.
They follow false doctrinesbecause they want to hear them.
So people who are being led outof the church, they're already
there.
So people who are being led outof the church, they're already
there, if you look at the waythings are lined up.
People who read AmericaMagazine and National Catholic

(40:09):
Reporter and US Catholic, andthey follow Michael Law.
Well, michael Law, they followMichael Mike Lewis, they follow
James Martin SJ.
All of those individuals havealready left the church.
They're not in the bosom ofChrist.
They may be there physicallyand they may declare themselves
Catholic, and they may not havebeen publicly corrected, but

(40:31):
ideologically and spirituallythey're no longer with the
church.
They have completely severedthem from what the church
actually teaches.
So if a pope were to come downhard and say all right, here's
the the line.
Anybody on this side of theline is out of the church,
they're going to find themselvesthere, regardless of of uh, you

(40:53):
know whether we've had a mealymouth.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
yeah, you know but I would say the majority of
catholics is is like a middleground.
Right, they in.
And if you have a split, papacy, you know that you, I think you
could lose a lot of them,because they just think they're
following who they you mean acontested papacy?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
a contested papacy, not a split, okay so let's,
let's take a worst case scenario.
All right, let's say thatpietro perlin or uh, god forbid,
cardinal turkson comes out onthe logia.
All right, turkson's a marxist.
Uh, perlin is probably afreemason, um, or?

(41:37):
Or let's go with with probablythe most vile of them all, uh,
hollerick.
Okay, let's say one of thosethree comes out on the logia and
they declare themselves francisthe second, or or even judas
the first.
Okay, you get a pope like thatcoming out on the logia.
Faithful catholics are notgoing to leave.

(41:59):
They're not.
There are a lot of people whoare going to be tempted to go
orthodox.
Don't do it.
There are going to be a lot ofpeople who are going to be
tempted to go Orthodox.
Don't do it.
There are going to be a lot ofpeople who are going to declare
right off the bat well, pope,heretic, he's not the pope.
They're going to remain theirset of accountants.
Don't do it.
You don't have the authority Tolook at the situation from an

(42:22):
historical perspective.
You've got to understand.
We've had popes that rose tothe top of the church through
murder by deposing theirpredecessors.
Just look at Silvarius andLiberius.
Silvarius was the pope andEmpress Theodora, who was a
monophysite said you know what?
I want a pope who's going topromulgate monophysitism and

(42:43):
make that a teaching of thechurch.
So I need to get rid of thisSilvarius.
So Liberius came up and he saidyou know what?
I've got a plan.
I think we can figure out a wayto get rid of him.
And so Empress Theodora putSilvarius in prison, locked him
away and named Liberius the Pope.
So, right there, liberius wasan anti-Pope and for six I think

(43:09):
it was eight months, eight ornine months uh, liberius was an
anti-pope.
Then silverius died andliberius was the pope period.
Yeah, so for anybody who's gonnasay holerick is an anti-pope or
Cardinal Marx is an anti-pope,or whoever, okay, don't do it.
We can look at that and say,okay, this is bad news.

(43:31):
We're going to have a horribletime.
He's going to suppress us, he'sgoing to really chastise us and
he's going to be a terribletyrant.
Understand that that does notmean he's not the Pope and that
we are being punished byalmighty god because of our sins
.
That's the most importanttakeaway is, we've got to

(43:52):
understand that we cannot rebel.
It is the left that rebels, notus yeah, um, let's jump to the
super chats.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Rob, I saw a couple of super chats pop in your mic
is worse than ever.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Oh man, you sound completely like Hollow.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Get Michael and Wagner on together?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I don't know who Wagner is Still bad.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
It's a little better.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, we got a couple of super chats.
Check those out.
Okay, would you be able toaddress what measures would need
to be taken to protect the HolyPope, to prevent any harm
befalling him, especially ifexcommunications happen, holding
trials for the clergy, etc.
That's Like what kind ofspecial protections would the
Pope would need to be taken?

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Sub to the Swiss guard.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Yeah, I don't.
I mean I I would get a foodtaster, but in in terms of um
special protections, the theSwiss guard is pretty uh.
To put it in layman's terms,they're pretty bad-ass.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I need, I need, I need a new mike kennedy I.
I actually I watched kennedy'svideo today and I thought he had
a really good take on it.
He said look, no matter what,the fight continues like if you
get a conservative in there, wejust have the fight with a, with
a good pope leading us, andmore people will be brought into
tradition and more people willbe exposed to it.

(45:29):
Maybe he'll allow for moreLatin masses to be said, he'll
get rid of tradition on us.
That's a good thing, but youstill have the war with the
liberals.
That is going to happen andyou'll have the world turn on
the papacy.
So you're at war, no matter whatIf you get another liberal Pope
, another Francis, and itcontinues on the way it is.
We continue the same fightwe've been in for the past 12

(45:49):
years and it's just being asaint when your hierarchy hates
you.
I mean it's just no matter what.
We have a fight ahead of us andit doesn't change the fact that
we're Catholic and we're calledto be saints.
It's just a different fightdepending on who walks out on
that loggia.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Right, right, we're called to fight and there's a
reason why I quoted from theapocalypse early on.
There was a great battle inheaven.
Michael and the angels rose upand fought the dragon, and the
dragon fought with his angels.
If you look at the Vatican, youlook at the church.
The church represents heaven.

(46:30):
If you look at what happens inthe mass, why do we have
communion rails?
Communion rails draw a linebetween what happens in the
altar and the sanctuary and whathappens in the general
congregation area.
It shows the line betweenheaven and earth.
And when we get to thatcommunion rail, we are right

(46:52):
there, at the cusp, we're on theverge of heaven and heaven
comes to us and we receiveheaven, christ in holy communion
.
So why did they get rid of thecommunion rails?
Because they wanted to haveopen borders.
They wanted to say that youcould have open borders between
heaven and earth or that youcould have open borders between
heaven and hell.
So their political ideologiesmatch with their spiritual

(47:15):
ideologies, which is why theyhad to get rid of the mass to
begin with.
They had to change it.
They had to change the mass inorder to reflect the politics
they wanted to propagate, inorder to reflect the politics
that they wanted to propagate.
So the idea of who comes out onthe logia and the politics
involved, we have to look towhat it is.
Yeah, I know I'm preaching tothe choir, but look, it's hard.

(47:39):
It's going to be very, very,very difficult and we're going
to fight one way or another.
The war amongst the bishops,the war amongst the cardinals,
as our Lady of Akita said,bishops against bishops,
cardinals against cardinals allof that is a reflection of what
happens in heaven.
It's always going to be areflection.

(48:00):
Our participation in that ishow firmly and how staunchly and
how visibly we stand up for thetruth, against the incursions
of all these heresies andleftists.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I think this is an interesting one, because I don't
know what other guys are goingto do, but I know we'll be fine,
like we're going to try andbring joy and humor, no matter
what we do.
Um, I think there will be anexcitement amongst faithful
catholics to want to hear thegood news that's happening.
Like it'll be such a beautifulthing to actually have some good

(48:37):
news happening.
You know, yeah, um, um, okay,so, uh, why was the fisherman's
ring of pope francis destroyed?
Today?
The ring is to be destroyedwith a silver hammer immediately
following the pope's death.
To why is a woman destroyingthe ring?
I saw that that was a bitbizarre.
It was just.
I mean something it's allsymbolic.
Yeah, it doesn't matter, it'sall symbolic um, which one of

(49:03):
the candidates are each of youleast excited about?
Hmm, paralympic.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Paralympic.
I don't think Paralympic isgetting it.
I don't think he has a shot atit.
I think that whole thing isjust not happening Like I, for
some reason, I've never.
The thought of him walking outthere has never even crossed my
mind.
It's like they keep throwingthat name at us and telling us
he's the top contender.
He who walks in a Pope walksout a Cardinal.
That's all I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
It's not going to be him.
No-transcript.
He's kind of a dark horsecandidate.
He is Papa B-Lay.
Was that a racial joke, Michael?
I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Rob, you're just out of control, Rob.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Rob's looking to make Michael start a GoFundMe.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
But not the Patrick Coffin sort.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I actually had to think about that for a second.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I didn't quite understand what you meant rob
wants michael to have to start a.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Go fund me um the uh yeah, turkish is the one that
scares me, and the reason isturkson was the guy who was in
charge of the dicastery forhuman development Development.
He is thoroughly in the tankfor everything climate change.
He's thoroughly in the tank foreverything globalist.
He wants to be the one who getsthe church to be wedded to the

(50:29):
United Nations in a very perfectway.
He's all about the sustainabledevelopment goals.
There's nothing about himthat's liturgically accurate or
good.
He has no concern forimmorality.
He's actually in support of oflgbt garbage, but he's he's a
very uh, low-key candidate.
He's not one of those you knowcrazy radicals like hollerick

(50:51):
who comes right out and says,hey, you know, we gotta have a
gay blessings for homosexualcouples and uh, he doesn't say
stuff like that no, and on topof that, if he gets in there,
you'll have us being calledracist if we say anything.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I mean we were already dealing with that.
People were telling us we wereracist.
It's like the guy's italian.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
yep and and look, I would love for a cardinal sarah.
You know, I think cardinalsarah would be fantastic.
He's old, old, um, but I thinkhe'd be great.
I'd love for Cardinal Sarah tobe to be Pope.
So they can't call me racistbecause I would oppose one
African in favor of another.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Um, did you know?
Pizza ball is birthdays thesame day as the room?
Uh, as the city of rooms.
So the founding of Rome is thesame day as a pizza bowl is
birthday, and it also was thesame day that Francis died.
I did not know that.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
I knew some of that.
I didn't know all of that.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Um, yeah, it's look, I I keep going between, um, like
I said, I I it's like some daysI'm like hopeful and I see all
this stuff and I'm like man,we're going to be okay.
Well, first of all, I thinkthat, because of those
conservative Cardinals, I reallydo think they're going to put
their foot down and I don'tthink they're going to budge, so
I do think the possibility ofthat long conclave is very

(52:08):
likely.
I don't think.
Here's 20 bucks.
Special shout out for my boy,eric with a K.
We listen to your showreligiously and I'm not on
locals, so figured I'd get backhere.
Thanks and thanks, rob, very,very, very grateful, but you
should join locals.
If you got 20 bucks, another 20that's four months of locals
yeah, um, the the.

(52:32):
I do think that they will puttheir foot down and not budge on
it, and I'm really.
I think the african cardinalsare a very big block and it may
not be two-thirds, but it'senough to lock this thing up and
say, no, we're not going alongwith this.
And that's good like.
So.
Francis was talking aboutchanging the conclave rules to
at the 33 scrutinies it would goto majority wins, but he never

(52:54):
got that done, so it stayed attwo thirds majority, no matter
what, which is really good, andI am, but you know.
But then you hear some of thestuff the Vatican's releasing
and it's all this nonsense.
They're still talking about thesame garbage.
They were in the synod, butfrom from seeing the Maradiaga
ran out of there because he wasso angry, it's like man, maybe

(53:17):
that these people I don't thinkanybody liked synodality no, no,
I think it was just directed.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Yeah, synodality was a direct attack on the papacy
and it was a direct attack onthe hierarchy.
The whole idea was todemocratize and decentralize the
church I agree.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
um then, okay, rob, why don't we?
Uh, let me see before we,before we head over to locals,
cause we can do.
I mean, should we even go tolocals?
Maybe we'll just stay on here.
We're going to be on a bunch oftimes this week.
We're going to pop on tomorrow,nick will be back on tomorrow,
and then we're going to play itby ear.

(53:56):
I don't know, we'll see, we'll,we'll talk behind the scenes,
but I think we should jump on.
I think everybody's, everybody,really is going to want to know
what's going on, so I think weshould be any information though
well, the rumor mill will begoing crazy.
So tomorrow you'll get there'sgoing to be a vote tomorrow, so
there will be something to talkabout there's also 750 people on
youtube right now, so pleasehit like and, uh, share the show

(54:19):
if you guys do enjoy us.
It would be great if you guyscould share the show.
Um, yeah, let's stay on.
Let's stay on youtube tonight,rob, let's not even go over to
locals.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Why don't we play that cardinal stella clip but
they want, they want localsversion of michael wait, if you
guys have never seen locals,michael, he is a totally
different guy.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
He goes off the walls in Locals.
Let's play that Cardinal Stellaclip.
I put it as Cardinal Stellacritical of Francis.
So this is America Magazine'spodcast and I like listening to
the left to see their thoughtsand they are nervous, which
makes me happy they are nervouswhich makes me happy In the

(55:04):
conclave.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Yeah, but still have an influential role.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
They spoke and there were several of them who were
very critical of what PopeFrancis had done.
Cardinal Benjamin Stella,italian cardinal, former
diplomat in many places and thenvery close to Francis.
Francis knew him before hebecame pope and soon after he

(55:32):
appointed him as prefect of thethen Congregation for Clergy, so
he had a very importantposition and he could see very
important position and he couldsee Francis very often and he
advised and counseled Francis.
So he was, let's say, one ofFrancis' men.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Someone trusted him, supposedly, and yet here, when
the Pope died, he was one of thestrongest outspoken critics of

(56:16):
Francis and especially even thepeople that were supposedly
closest to Francis Right fromthe beginning.
There was there.
It was very uncomfortable there, like Francis was not brought
in to undo the church, he wasbrought in to make some reforms
and he just went nuts with it.
Now Cardinal Stella was one ofhis closest guys and he's
getting up there and he'scriticizing Francis.

(56:38):
So that's why Marty Aga runsoff the way he does.
He's like this is a revoltagainst everything Francis was
doing and it's like man.
That's hopeful news.
I don't know, it's it it?
It does make me think that someof these guys that Francis
picked from the outskirts ofsociety, from outskirts of the
world, maybe they're actuallyCatholic.

(56:58):
Like you know, they're dealingwith these smaller communities.
They're not.
They don't care about theWestern nonsense, this
ideological colonization that weput forward.
You know Francis spoke out aboutideological colonization.
He was the biggest purveyor ofit throughout the entire church.
Talk about ideologicalcolonization.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
They just pushed that liberalism on everybody,
everywhere hey, rob, can you puta comment up there?
Viola, uh said, said somethingthat I yeah, I'm not trolling,
I'm just seeking information.
What about when christianityallowed pagan stuff into the
religion?
Isn't that the same as sayingpachamama is mary?
The answer is no, and here'swhy.
Uh, and, and most of the time,what people are referring to is

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the Christmas tree.
Okay, so the Christmas tree inancient pagan times in Germany,
they had the Woden tree.
It was this massive, massiveoak tree and it was I think it
was St Bernard that cut it down.
And the fact of the matter isthat, as a sign of conquest over

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the pagan gods, they wouldbring those trees into their
homes and put candles on them toshow that the light of Christ
had conquered the darkness ofpaganism.
So it was, yeah, it was StBernard, so this was a sign of
conquest.
It's the same reason why wehave, if you go into rome and

(58:22):
you'll oh, was it?
Boniface?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
boniface, yeah, it was boniface.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Okay, uh, if you go into rome, you've got all these
obelisks.
I knew it started with a, b.
Uh, you get all these obelisksin front of all the major
basilicas.
Now, those obelisks werebrought to Rome from Egypt to
show Rome's conquest over Egypt,and then they built churches
right there on top of thesquares where those obelisks

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were and they stuck a crossright on top of the obelisk to
show the conquest ofChristianity over paganism.
But the Pachamama thing is anactual demon.
It's the name of a demon.
What you're suggesting and Idon't mean you qua you, but what
is being suggested that thePachamama may be the Virgin Mary
would be like saying, well, whydon't we just redress a statue

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of Athena and call that Mary andwe'll be good?
It doesn't work that way.
They smashed those idols workthat way.
They smashed those idols andthere was no syncretism to be
had between what an idolrepresents in paganism and what
the church truly understands andteaches as real people from the

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uh, the history of the church.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
So there's a difference in enculturation and
taking what is good in a cultureand baptizing it, and a
christian like the amazon, likewhere they're talking about,
like the gospel is alreadypreached there and this thing
was creeping into christianity.
It was like it wasn't trying tobaptize that not even part of

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their culture.
Yeah, that's what it was soweird, it wasn't even part of
their culture yeah it was just,it was something it was.
I hate the people that defend it.
It's like, just stop it, like,come on, knock it off.
And the thing is there arepagan things that we brought
into the church and enculturatedand they're good, like, even

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like the priests, the, like, the, what is it?
Even the things the priestswear, like they're.
Those are all ancient Romangarbs of like, like there's not.
Yeah, they're.
I'm sorry, I don't know why Icouldn't think of the word
vestments Like the priestvestments are from, are from the
days of ancient Rome.
There's nothing wrong with thethings the church did
incorporate into the church.

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They took what was good in eachculture that they conquered and
they baptized it and they said,okay, look, you guys have these
festivals.
Yeah, okay, we're going tochange them to this, but you can
still keep the festival itself.
It just has to be its wholepurpose and Talos has to be, you
know, shifted and put towardsChristianity.
There's nothing wrong with that, but trying to do that in 2025

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is just silly, it's?
You know what the church did?
The church did.
Then there was one more clipthat I know we all know this
story, but I thought it wasreally interesting because of
the way they talked about it.
So there's the Paul VI when hebars Cardinals over 75, rob, I

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thought this was the way they'retalking about it.
I'm just like do they not evensee what they're saying?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
here, which is the way.
I mean, I haven't watched thisclip, but we heard Father Murr
talk about that this weekend too.
Yeah, but we heard Father Murrtalk about that this weekend too
.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Yeah, he did.
I think in 1970, paul VI was toremove the right of voting for
cardinals over the age of 80,because he saw what happened in
the conclave in which he waselected and he saw how the older

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, older cardinals not all ofthem, but many of them were
blocking change in the church.
And so I think that is a veryimportant point to make and I
think you're right.
And here I was told thatseveral, that many of the early
speakers speaking out andcriticizing were in, in fact, of

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the older generation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
We heard that Cardinal Zen, who is 93, was
speaking out against him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
He's talking about the older cardinals, the ones
that JP II and Benedict elected.
Those are the ones who came outoriginally and they were the
ones speaking out against someof the reforms Francis made.
One speaking out against someof the reforms Francis made, but
even pointing out how Paul VIhad to cut the voting age off at
80 because the older cardinalswere the ones who didn't want

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this progress in the church andjust this idea of getting rid of
our fathers and our patrimony,right Like all of Catholicism,
like to reject everything beforethe council.
Is this rejection of the saintsshoulders that we stand on, and
it's a rejection of everythingthat came before.

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And they actually had to cutoff the voting age of the older
men to prevent them from keepingto tradition.
It is so appalling what Paulthe sixth said.
I cannot believe Rob thinks hisbody is incorrupt.
It is so appalling what Paulthe Sixth did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I cannot believe Rob thinks his body is incorrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Nothing on that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
I also watched his podcast today, anthony's not
mentioning how horrible it was.
Awful.
I said I sat through it so thatyou guys wouldn't have to
suffer.
But yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
It's easy for him to sit through when he's getting
paid hourly for working oh, stopit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I sit through it and suffer for you guys.
So I could pick the, pick, thegems out for you guys oh, oh,
yeah, no, we forgot all right,it's not too late.
We got.
We got 750 um okay, so, rob,bring it up.
Let them read it.
This is actually great.
I don't have it ready.

(01:04:04):
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Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
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Okay, use the code based checkout for 10 off your order.
Recusant sellers has the bestwine that you could possibly
receive from a beautiful,wonderful catholic family that
produces these wines in, I think, in california.
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
no, no, washington yeah, you're doing better than
us with the script, so I cancome really have to do is we
have to record Michael saying itand just play it.
Wait, I know you think we're sobad at it, but Rob says
recusant so strangely, and thatthey hear Michael pronounce it

(01:04:51):
so perfectly right afterward.
It's like it's such a starkcontrast.
They have to love us.
Come on, we're bantering abouttheir product.
Their product is phenomenal.
I actually ordered threebottles.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Depending on who gets elected as Pope, you might
really need some wine For thenext decade or two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
You guys might need wine to dull the pain, or you
might need wine to celebrate.
Go to recuseandsellerscom.
Use code BASE at checkout for10% off.
Those of you that missed the20% off sale last week, tough
crap, you're stuck with the 10%.
Rob says Vianney weird too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Vianney.
I just say it like the Frenchwould Vianney he's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
French.
Yeah, okay, so let's see we cango to what else we got here.
I saw.
You know what it was reallyokay, so let's go with the
Catholic Sat tweet, rob.
So the conclave starts tomorrowto elect a new pope, the 267th
successor of St Peter, thefather of princes and kings,

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ruler of the world, vicar onearth of our Savior Jesus Christ
, to whom is honor and gloryforever and ever.
Of the people who will play aprominent role, his eminence
Giovanni Battista, cardinal Ray,dean of the Sacred College of
Cardinals, will celebrate Massin St Peter's Basilica at 10 am
Pro elegendo pontifici for theelection of the Roman pontiff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
His sermon will set the tone for the conference you
make fun of what I say, but,yeah, you can't even pronounce
your own language of his sermonwill set the tone for the.
You make fun of what I say, but, yeah, you can't even pronounce
your own language.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
He however, doesn't have a vote.
At 4.15, the Cardinal electorswill gather in the Pauline
Chapel of the Apostolic Palaceahead of their procession to the
Sistine Chapel.
4.30, accompanied by the Litanyof Saints, the Cardinal
electors will process to theSistine Chapel.
Inside the Sistine Chapel,proceedings will be conducted by
his eminence Pietro, cardinalParolin, the most senior

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Cardinal elector.
It's so crazy how the menrunning this whole thing like
they're setting the tone theseare all Francis's guys setting
the tone and the Cardinalelectors one by one in order of
precedence, starting withCardinal electors one by one, in
order of precedence, startingwith Cardinal Parolin.
He can say another bottle of redwine, flawlessly.

(01:07:04):
Un'altra bottiglia di vinorossi.
The Cardinal electors, one byone in order of precedence,
starting with Cardinal Parolinand ending with his eminence
George Jacob, cardinal CuvacadCuvacad, swear an oath of
absolute secrecy on the HolyGospels.
Michael, did you know?
The Pope does not swear an oathupon assuming office?

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Yes, I did not know that man.
I was shocked by that.
He either accepts or rejectsthe election.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I would have really thought that the pope would have
to make some kind of an oathsaying I will not change what
was handed on.
Not, you know, like thepositive faith that was given to
me will be passed on perfectly.
So I say chrysostom, is thatwrong?
Chrysostom oh, rob you both.
We both say it wrong, probablyum ch.

(01:07:59):
Chrysostom, yeah, chrysostom Ithink people like Chrysostom,
but I say Chrysostom, I've heardit both ways.
After this, the master ofpontifical liturgical
celebrations, His ExcellencyDiego Giovanni Ravelli,
proclaims extra ominouseverybody else out and closes
the door to the Sistine Chapel.
With the doors of the SistineChapel closed, his eminence

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Raniero, Cardinal Cantalamesa,will deliver a meditation to the
cardinals.
This is another pivotal momentin shaping the duration of the
outcome of the conflict.
Awesome, Another awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You know how.
I know this isn't going to golonger than a few days.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Because I'm bored to death.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
There's no way half of them can't go that long
without grinder, oh my gosh robI didn't go there rob you are.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
You are rowdy tonight , boy, I'll tell you between the
racism and homophobia.
Well, come on, it was michaelthat said that common.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
I think rob's been hitting the recus and sellers
wine.
I wish Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I mean, I was on Gordon's show yesterday and I
made a comment about like 95% ofthe Cardinals being gay or
something and my wife overheardit and she goes Anthony, I think
you sound a little homophobic.
I don't know Like you're.
Like, anthony, I think yousound a little homophobic.
I don't know Like you're.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
I'm like Like, first of all don't tell me what I
can't say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Shut up.
I said when you host a show andyou're bringing, you're
bringing value into the home,we'll talk.
All right, don't tell me how torun my show.
I know what I'm doing over here, um, all right.
So after he's finished, cantola mesa, the non-elector and
archbishop bravelli will leaveand the first round of voting

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will take place.
If no candidate receives therequired 89 votes, more ballots
will follow on thursday andsubsequent days.
Four ballots a day until we getthe white smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
They're actually allowed out every night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yeah, Out of the Sistine Chapel they're allowed
to speak with each other, Iwould imagine right, Because
they have to start cutting deals, right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Well, they're not going to cut deals.
They're not allowed to canvas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Wait, you're telling me, after they start doing the
voting.
They're not allowed to say,okay, look, these are the four
guys.
Okay, uh, once we're going totake his name off the ballot and
we're going to be between threeguys, I'll bring my votes to
you.
But you got to make thisconcession.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
They can't do that let me get the actual wording
yeah, I'm pretty sure that wouldmake it an invalid election.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Yes, I might have to do this, so it's Universi
Dominici Gregis.
That's the document onelections.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
DJ, you are incorrect on that.
I'm sorry I hit the wrong one.
That is incorrect.
That is what it was.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
That is incorrect.
That is what it was before.
No, no, no, that is true.
So here's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
It's not.
It's still two thirds.
It still has to be two thirds.
It still has to be two thirds,but it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
It's like 33 ballots, but yeah.
You want to read it, michael?
Let's see, there's simony,there's uh.
Okay, in other words, you'renot allowed to promise goods for
the papacy, for you, you can'tsell your votes, um, you can't
sell them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
But you can't go in and say, look, okay, these are
the issues that my constituencywants, like they're worried
about the latin mass.
Would you be willing, here wego, take back the trend.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Let Okay, here it is.
So paragraph 78 says If Godforbid, in the election of the
Roman pontiff the crime ofsimony were to be perpetrated, I
decree and declare that allthose guilty thereof shall incur
excommunication laetisintensiae.
At the same time, I remove thenullity or invalidity of the
same simonical provision inorder that, as was already

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established by my predecessors,the validity of the election of
the Roman pontiff may not forthis reason be challenged.
79.
Confirming the prescriptions ofmy predecessors.
I likewise forbid anyone, evenif he is a cardinal, during the
pope's lifetime and withouthaving consulted him, to make
plans concerning the election ofhis successor, or to promise

(01:12:22):
votes or to make decisions inregard for the conclave, that's
before the pope dies even um,that's all before the conclave.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I think when they're in the conclave like they're not
, there's no more speeches andstuff.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Then there's paragraph 80 that excludes any
external interference in theelection of the pontiff, which
again that that calls intoquestion.
Well, if, if Barack Obamaactually interfered in the last
election, that would that woulddefinitely invoke paragraph 80.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I think I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Francis's validity is like definitely up for question
, like for sure, but but I'm,but, I'm, I don't think.
I think once they're inconclave, like because all those
things that you you said arepertaining to prior to yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Prior to the conclave but once you're in there, still
in conclave, even if they'relet out of the sistine chapel at
night correct.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
So I I, they're locked away, they're not allowed
access to the outside world,but they're allowed to say look,
this is what the people thatare that are voting for me are
concerned with.
Are you willing to?
And now, look, the Pope doesn'thave to.
Once he's Pope, he's Pope.
I mean, there's no stopping himfrom saying I don't really care
what I promised you.

(01:13:36):
I'm the Pope, I have universaljurisdiction over everything.
But if somebody does want tosay, okay, look, I'll soften my
stance on this a bit, maybe I'llI'll I'll lessen the
restrictions on tradition owners, maybe we'll go back and we'll
we'll edit some of theencyclicals that Francis
released and we'll we'll adjustthem and we'll we'll tweak those

(01:13:57):
a bit Like.
I think all that stuff canhappen in Congress.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
So, yeah, here's the important paragraph that
actually addresses that 81.
The cardinal electors shallfurther abstain from any form of
pact, agreement, promise orother commitment of any kind
which could oblige them to giveor deny their vote to a person
or persons.
If this were in fact done, evenunder oath, I decree that such
a commitment shall be null andvoid and that no one shall be

(01:14:21):
bound to observe it, and Ihereby impose the penalty of
excommunication lates intensiaeupon those who violate this
prohibition.
It is not my intention, however, to forbid, during the period
in which the sea is vacant, theexchange of views concerning the
election".
So you can talk about viewspertaining to the election.

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Yeah, they can't make a vow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
They can't make a promise, but they can say okay,
these are your concerns.
Look, it just can't be.
I'm giving you the papacy forthis.
It can't be a quid pro quo, butit can be.
Look, these are our concerns.
You assure me that my concernswill be addressed.
We'll support you and we'll get.

(01:15:05):
We'll get behind you.
Like that.
That is exactly what goes onbehind closed doors I think the
movie conclave.
Did you watch it, michael?
I did not it.
The movie conclave actuallyshows, like how the politicking
that goes on behind the scenes abit and it's pretty interesting
.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
How do you know that's accurate?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I don't I'm.
I just imagine that it wouldlikely be something like that,
but it's not.
Obviously it's first of thedrama of it all is just so
ridiculous.
They don't show any of thepre-conclave things that are
going on.
They make it like everybodyshows up to rome the day the
conclave starts.
It's like this.
This past nine days has been sounique and seeing all these men

(01:15:44):
who don't know each other, Iknow the movie is not reality.
I'm talking about men.
Men operate a certain way andthey make deals and they go
about.
It's very much humanpoliticking that goes on for the
papacy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Doesn't the movie end with them electing some cranny
Just?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
stop five minutes before the movie's over.
That's not what it was, butit's close.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
If you ever want a list of movies to watch but not
actually finish, ask AnthonySilence.
That movie except for the lasthalf hour, don't watch that.
Conclave Good, except for thelast five minutes, don't watch
that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Silence the first half of Silence, is amazing.
American History X the firsthalf of American History X is
amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
First half of American history acts is amazing
.
First half of apocalypse now isamazing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
That was how did you guys not get that joke?

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
Which one?
Which one?

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
American history acts the first half before, before
he, before he goes to prison andlike reforms himself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Well, Edward Norton did change the ending to that I
know he did.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah, like silence, the first half of silence.
It shows like the persecutionof the japanese and it's done in
such a beautiful way whereyou're like, but then it's
scorsese, so scorsese ends itwith him denying his faith at
the end.
It's like that could have beensuch an awesome movie about a
martyr and he just butchered it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
So I'm going to tell you a true story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Bobby got my joke.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
True story 2013,.
Pope Benedict resigns.
We go into an interregnum, theconclave is coming up.
So I played a board game calledConclave with some friends of
mine.
A friend of mine owned it.
He'd never played it before, sowe literally read the rules

(01:17:28):
that night, which is thick, andand we sat down and we played
the game.
The way the game works, youdraw cards to determine what
kind of Cardinal you are, sowhat kind of age you have, um,
what some of your background isand where you're from, what some
of your background is and whereyou're from.
So I drew a 76 year old Jesuitfrom South America.

(01:17:52):
I won.
This was before Francis waselected, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
That's like wildly predictive, which I'm hoping.
I'm hoping you're correct aboutthe pizza ball a May 13th thing
too.
So you're the about the pizzaball May 13th thing too.
You're the first person thatcame on with us and laid it out
the way you have.
I will say that I think that wehave a very big audience
tonight because, first off, it'sthe night before the conclave
and I think there's somethingpretty exciting about being

(01:18:19):
Catholic the night before theconclave.
But I have not heard anybodygive commentary like this
michael would draw a 75 year oldcard from new york my friend
got rid of the game and Ialready vowed I'm not gonna play
it again.
So no, it's like a ouija board.
You sicko, why would you dothat to us?
Michael manifested, francis onthe church.

(01:18:43):
You got to be kidding me.
I've been saying I'm trying to,I'm trying to meme Cardinal
Dolan's papacy into existence,just as a goof, and as soon as
it happens I'm going to go.
What have?

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
I done.
Oh my God, yes, why would you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
I have.
I have because I want to telleverybody that Cardinal the Pope
confirmed my daughter.
Oh, my daughter, oh my gosh, Iwould be so insufferable.
You have no idea.
Yeah, me and Majaria willgladly own that one you guys
will have.
Oh man, I don't know how muchlife he's got left in him.

(01:19:20):
It would be really weird if thenew Pope chose the name Michael
II.
I have to go away.
I have to run away now.
Um well, you want to knowwhat's crazy.
I watched, we got a cameo inthe latest, uh, vatican catholic
video, the peter diamond videoyes, but you did because because

(01:19:42):
of wagner.
Uh, wagner was in it too.
I don't think it was the sameshow, but I was talking, like
you know.
I don't know whatever I was, Iforgot even what he said, but I
never knew how insane those guyswere about their like, their
very specific analysis of theapocalypse and how like they see
this last seven popes as theseven kings of the like.

(01:20:02):
I'm like, what the hell am Iwatching right now?
Like you guys think I'm nuts.
Those guys are off their rockerman.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I mean, they use fake names.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
So so I all right.
Um, I remember when they did avideo on michael voris back in
2015, I think, yeah, and youknow this is after his, you know
he came out and he said look,you know, I had this issue in
the past, but it's gone, so we,it seemed like he was okay.

(01:20:34):
Anyway, they, they put out thisvideo against him and you know
what they focused on what histwirling of the pencil and they
said he was casting spells theymight not have been wrong about
that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Stop it.
I'm michael boris, and welcometo the vortex where I was
trapped and exposed, I stillremember that stupid line from
his vortex episodes.
Oh my goodness yeah they're I,I was.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
I was pretty flummoxed by their their
assertion that twirling a pencilin the air to go along with the
vortex.
And of course they superanalyzed the vortex also and
said, oh, that's a vortex, it'slike a swirling pool to hell, or
it was just like I thinkthey're the original internet
spurgs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
They're like the original autistic internet guys.
The way they break things down,I don't know.
They're very entertaining.
And the thing is theirapologetic stuff is actually
really good.
Like when they do apologeticstuff it's good, but man, their
apocalyptic stuff is wild.
Very entertaining, veryentertaining, yeah, very
entertaining.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
So they actually do really good analysis of
Freemasonry and communism.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
They've got great stuff on that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
I mean, it's like they do have a good strong
understanding of things and look, everything that went down with
Voris kind of allowedhindsight's 20-20,.
Right, you look back and you go, oh my gosh, but the fact of
the matter is that they saythings that are just so out, out
, in left field.
It's like where in the hell isthis coming from?

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
yeah, it's man, what a, what a, what a, what a
horrible downfall that was towitness.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Oh yeah, I mean again Whatever about that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Just a horrible downfall.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
I don't care but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Yeah, I don't know, man, michael, this was a great
episode, man, I think.
I think if we do get A PierrePizzabala on May 13th, you all
better, better, buckle up,because it's going to be a wild
ride, guys.
I'm just I don't know.
I can't shake the feeling thatthat's going to happen, even if
it's not May 13th, that he'sgoing to be the one who walks

(01:22:58):
out, and I don't know why,because I don't know much about
the guy other than he's thepatriarch of jerusalem and
there's so many people I'mtalking to have that same, just
inner sense that it's going tobe him to be fair, that, yeah,
that, like there is the whole Idon't know what, do you want to
call it the whole precedent that, like you know, the one who

(01:23:20):
goes into the, the conclave, aspope, leaves his pope, he's a
cardinal.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Yep, and there is a reason for that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
So I'm just going to say this May 13th, everybody buy
stock options for pizza hutdominoes.
All on May 13th.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Molly says don't forget the block molly says
don't forget the block anthony,and dolan wins.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I?
I just you want to know why.
I said dolan, though, to behonest, because he gave a few
interviews where he wasdescribing what they're looking
for in the next pope and he'slike we want the joy and the
gentleness of pope francis,francis, and we want the
conviction of benedict and wewant the gravity of or it was
like the theology of benedictand the gravity of conviction of

(01:24:13):
pope john, and I'm like he'sdescribing himself or what he
thinks he is.
And then I saw, uh, gavinashenden did an interview with
somebody and it was likeCardinal Pell is still with us
in spirit and that spirit is inCardinal Dolan and he's emerging
as this senior figure who'smanaged to bring people together

(01:24:35):
.
So it's like if that thing gotdeadlocked, I could almost see
these Cardinals who don't knowanybody and he's the guy going
around saying, hey, come overhere and come and talk to these
guys.
You guys are kind oflike-minded, let's discuss our
idea, like I can see them, butgetting locked up and going.
You know what, dolan was a verygentle and nice guy and he
seems to have like they don'tknow him, like we know him, you
know.

(01:24:55):
It's like I kind of think he'sthe guy.
He would be the interim guythey're looking for.
He would try to placateeverybody and it would be a bit
messy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Lord, preservus from lukewarm leaders.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah, and New Yorkers , and New Yorkers, lukewarmness
man it has.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
Don't let us appear media.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Linger longer, guys?
No, because don't let us appear.
Media linger longer guys.
No, um, lukewarmness, man,because I look, I even talked to
gordon about this a bityesterday.
Like john paul ii and benedictboth seem to have a very
apocalyptic view of our times.
Right, like john paul ii waslike the final battle is going

(01:25:45):
to be between marriage and thefamily.
Benedict almost seemed to.
He implied the third vision ofFatima had not yet come to
fruition, even after the Vaticangave their silly explanation.
He's like I don't know, thesethings still have to take place
in the church.
He almost seemed to think inhis writings that he was the

(01:26:06):
bishop in white in the Fatimasecret.
Like if you read Marco Tussauds, uh, whole articles about
Benedict and Ticonius and stufflike he, benedict really saw
himself as that bishop in whitethat you know.
We, we saw a bishop in white,he, we thought he was the Pope,
but we couldn't, you know, wecouldn't be certain or whatever
that exact phrasing is, I think,benedict.
So these two men who have thisvery apocalyptic vision of the

(01:26:29):
times they're in were so weakand timid to stand up to the
wolves in the church.
It's a bizarre thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
All right, you guys thought you might bounce off me
a little bit with that one, butI guess not.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I don't know.
You swing and you miss.
All right, you guys thought youmight bounce off me a little
bit with that one, but I guessnot, you're swinging your miss
sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
He's actually the long island, no shadabas, which?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
is, he knows the long island medium, so perfect I, I
actually do the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
the long island medium is my godson's aunt, oh,
that's right.
I think I remember that yeahit's a very strange situation,
but I'm doing everything I canto get, and they're Catholic too
, and it's like every time I seethem I'm just on them.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
The king of the hill ending Lots of clean burning
hell.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
I'll tell you one thing I've enjoyed the
interregnum period.
It's like nobody's getting madat us for talking about anything
.
It's like there's no pope forme to be disobedient to it's
been.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
There's, yeah, no stupid encyclicals coming out,
and I've even had some of thepope's planers reach out to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Not maybe not pope's planers, but some of the guys
we've had a little friction withhave reached out to me and
apologized to me for like brashthings they've said to me and
been like hey man, like nothings are about to change well
even if they do it's.
Look, I do think there is a lotof room for, uh, peace to be
made amongst people who maybewere, you know, maybe the more

(01:28:08):
critical side of Francis andthose who wanted to be good sons
of the church, so held backfrom criticizing Francis.
Like there is room for peace tobe made there if we get a good
Pope in.
So let's pray.
Let's pray for unity in thechurch, but under a good
authority, I mean.
I think that's the perfect wayto go about it and I think

(01:28:30):
that's a good way to end guys.
We did a good, solid one and ahalf for you guys tonight.
We're going to see how the weekplays out.
We'll probably jump on tomorrow.
I think we're going to jump ontomorrow.
If Rob's not up to it, me andNick will jump on.
But Michael, I definitely wantI know you got a lot going on
with your chat channel, but weget white smoke man.
I want post post loja analysiswith Michael Hitchborn.

(01:28:51):
All right, I, dude, I lovehaving you on man.
You're one of my favoritepeople ever to have on this show
and our, our our audience.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
You are by far our audience's favorite guests, so
Well, a lot of fun.
I I I don't get to let my hairdown, as somebody said very
often, and I don't have much onthe sides to let down anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
But I love when you come on with your button open,
your top button open.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
It's always a good time someone on twitter says
they uh, next time you're on,they want you to talk about the
uh magnetic polar shift.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Okay, Do some research.
Michael, you got a homeworkproject.
We're going to have to get intosome of those I'll read up
tonight.
All right, guys, this was a funone.
We will join you tomorrow.
Come back and we'll give you,guys, our thoughts on the rumor
mill tomorrow.
So, all right, take us out,brother.

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