The Historical and Typological Enmity of the Elder Brother (with Father James Mawdsley)

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Sancte, sancte, amare morti decadast nos In tes vera
verum.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good morning and good afternoon, father.
I always make the mistake ofassuming everybody knows the
guest that we're interviewing,father.
So before I even get into thesubject matter that we're going
to do, I want to make sure Iintroduce you correctly.
I know you and I had firstspoken maybe a year and a half

(00:55):
ago and it was right after COVID, and you had a lot of issues
during COVID with your superiorstelling you you weren't allowed
to offer masses.
But I want to make sure theaudience actually understands
who you are.
Is there any way you could justgive a brief background so that

(01:15):
they'll know where you'recoming from?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I'm a Catholic priest , that's it.
I'm suspended From the FSSP,right, well, from the priesthood
.
I don't have faculty to takeconfessions, I can't celebrate a
marriage, so I just say mass inthe office every day, and it's
for a purpose.
Basically, the Jews are tryingto suck the life out of the

(01:42):
church.
That's why we saw and the worldthe COVID lockdowns were about
the world and Tradition asCustodians.
The attack on tradition is todestroy the church.
They will fail, they willconvert, but I think that needs
to be exposed and I don'tbelieve a priest can give
himself his own mission.
I have my mission as a priest,but it was blocked by COVID,

(02:05):
then by judicia, and if peoplecan't deal with that because
they're afraid of naming thejews, then I think I have a
right to try and reclaim myoriginal mission.
Um, and all we need is a popeto approve the pre-55 missile
and then it's all going to beroses and it's all going to be
um, start working again okay, sothat's.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
That's actually a great way to start this now,
because when we first spoke, thefirst time we spoke was
actually about your book,crucifixion to creation.
Um, and did you see at thattime what you're seeing now, or
was this kind of a developmentthrough writing these books?
Because then we discussed Ifyou Believe Moses, part one and

(02:50):
part two with you and it seemedlike your thought was developing
on this and it wasn't somethingthat you caught right away,
because I don't even think webrought up the Jews in that
first conversation.
We talked about it really wasjust the typological
significance of the cross andhow God had planned it from the
moment of creation with the tree, and there was so many like.

(03:11):
If you guys have never heardour first conversation with
father Maudsley, it's one of myfavorite conversations we've
ever done on this channel, butI've I've watched this
development in your thought overthe past few years.
Was that actually how it cameor did you always have that in
mind when you started?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
There's definitely a development, because when you
study the Bible you always findout more.
And the events in the world.
I think evil is exposing itselfBecause the Jews have
accumulated power over more thana thousand years, especially
through money lending.
They now have that little bitof land that they claim in the

(03:49):
Middle East.
They claim sovereignty, theyhave a lot of money and they're
showing what they're like.
So it's really obvious Genocidalpsychopaths, that's it.
And do people not see it?
They're afraid of naming theenmity because they think that
means that we're some people whosee how vicious the Jews are

(04:12):
toward the church and toward man, want to retaliate in kind.
But then we become just likethem and that's a disaster.
But all through the OldTestament, all through the Torah
, we have these so many sets ofbrothers who show it's not like
that.
And Jesus perfects it, he showsus how to deal with it.
It's the only way to victory.
So if we understand that fromthe Old Testament, how Jesus

(04:33):
reveals it, you don't deny theenmity.
Because Cain murdered Abel elderbrother did, and Abraham even
has an elder brother and heredeemed his elder brother's son
Lot.
Then Ishmael sexually abusedIsaac.
That's why Sarah kicked themout Like the church saying I
won't have this pedophilia in myfamily.
Then Esau had a murderoushatred against Jacob, but in all

(04:56):
these cases it cooled down atthe end and there was a kind of
reconciliation, apart from withCain.
And then we see with Joseph andhis brothers.
It's a beautiful story of themselling him into slavery.
The Jews ran the slave trademostly.
So all this stuff people talkabout Jews running pornography
or Jews running the slave tradeor Jews starting murderous wars
it's all there in the typology.

(05:17):
And yet you have the solution,you see, with Joseph, that God
arranged this so that he, joseph, would save the world in a
famine and save his brothers andthey would be reconciled.
Even Esau and Jacob and Ishmaeland Isaac have this thing where
they bury their fatherstogether, a religious ceremony
in honor of the father.
That is the conversion.
You know, jacob thinks Esau'sgoing to kill him, but Esau runs

(05:40):
up after 20 years separation.
Rebekah said to Jacob leave, goaway.
Your brother's mad becauseyou've won the birthright.
This is like when we got thecovenant, christians or
Catholics.
After the resurrection, thecrucifixion, esau's mad and
wants to kill him.
He's away for 20 years and bythat time Esau's cooled down.
He sees all the kids and thefamilies of Jacob.

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And he's like who are all these, the kids and the families of
Jacob?
And he's like who are all these?
And this is like the size ofthe church with members of all
nations of the world.
The Jews will see it and saythis is the fulfillment of all
God's promises.
And Jacob raises his eyes toheaven.
Then Esau does and runs andembraces him and kisses him and
weeps, weeps in contrition.
So all these stories have thereconciliation of brothers.

(06:22):
You have it with Aaron andMoses as well was the younger
brother and then with the churchsorry, peter and Andrew.
Peter is the younger brother,has the better place.
St John is the younger brotherof St James, but it's closer to
Jesus, always the youngerbrother, and ultimately Jesus
and Adam.
So what I mean is when you seethese beautiful reconciliations
with Aaron and Moses kissing onthe holy mountain, the packs, I

(06:44):
mean a, you know, a manly,liturgical kiss.
Then you don't have the angeror the fear which leads to
hatred because of the enmitythey throw at us, and we don't
need to deny that.
They run the banks andpornography.
They start all the wars.
They're bled england dry to getpalestine.
They're bled america dry todestroy the middle east.
All that American money andblood.

(07:06):
They've been doing it toEngland for 400 years.
They just look for where's thepowerful nation.
Take over, use it till it'sdead.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
But anyway, well, this is so important.
Okay, so let me do this realquick that I've been, I've been
watching your videos right, andthere's something really
important in what you're doing,in talking about the holocaust

(07:37):
narrative and what has comethrough that.
And if I, if I'm understandingyou correctly, you're you're
saying that Hitler saw thedamage that was happening in
Germany from what the Jews weredoing financially and things
like that, and he wants to expelthem from Germany, but nobody
will have them.
So they come, he puts them incamps along with any other

(08:00):
dissidents that he has to worryabout while he's running this
war.
He never has this finalsolution.
It's never about exterminatingthem.
The reason we see them comingout of the camps emaciated
towards the end is because theallies are the ones who actually
cut off supply routes and theyjust, it's just, they're so
overwhelmed they can't even feedthese people.

(08:20):
And what comes after that isthis narrative that is fed to
the Jewish people, who it doesmore harm to than anybody else,
because they perceive thishatred from the Gentiles and I
wasn't really sure what you were, because anybody look, there's

(08:41):
this thing where anybody thatgoes down this road, it seems
like it's all they can talkabout.
Right, I've seen it withseveral people, so it's always
like my fear was never todiscuss the topic.
My fear was more just, are wegoing to be the show that only
talks about this?
I don't think it's something weshould shy away from talking

(09:03):
about, especially becausethere's theological significance
to it.
But if that really is the caseand I could be mischaracterizing
some of the things you'resaying, but just me and my wife
last night had watched a moviewe didn't know what we were
getting into.
We just saw Kieran Culkin wonan Academy Award and we're like,

(09:24):
oh, we do.
The trailer on it doesn't tellyou what the movie's about.
We put it on and it's about twoJewish brothers going to visit
Poland and they go through apilgrimage of the Holocaust and
I'm like the movie wasunremarkable.
There was nothing spectacularabout Kieran Culkin's acting he
wins the Oscar but the wholemovie is about him traumatizing

(09:45):
himself and living through thisholocaust.
Now, if they're, they're takinghim through gas chambers and
he's hysterically crying, andand it's about this trauma that
was put on on the jewish peoplespecifically, so that whenever
you even mention the jews, itbecomes this anti-Semitism thing
.
And am I kind of getting whatyou're saying right, or am I

(10:08):
mischaracterizing anything?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I'll just pick up one thing from before.
My first book, adam's DeepSleep, does mention the first
chapter where I get into theTorah about Cain and Abel as the
elder and younger brother,which I'd read from St Augustine
and St Jerome.
So before I left my order Ialready thinking this is the
problem the elder, youngerbrother thing and the bible has

(10:30):
the answers to it.
And history, um, because thebasically the reason the church
changed their liturgy.
I'm going to hopefully put outa video tonight which is almost
the last one to the holocaustnarrative series.
I've just got three more to do.
This is one of those, um, threemore after this.

(10:52):
The liturgical changes were donebecause of the holocaust.
Straight 1945 came by his manblaming the church for that and
christians, and then you haveJules Isaac going to see Pius
XII and then John XXIII saying2,000 years of antisemitism
which come from the gospels andthe founders of Christianity and

(11:13):
2,000 years of persecution ofJews have set the atmosphere
that enables the Holocaust andthat's why they changed the
liturgy.
But the liturgy, we've rupturedour connection with heaven.
It's a disaster.
And you find out that 2000 yearpersecution is untrue because
they were the ones thatcrucified jesus.

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He didn't lift a finger againstthem.
They had that enmity of theelder brother murdering the
younger one or abusing him,mocking him, putting him in
exile.
Then they did the same to theapostles St James, st Stephen
and so on.
For 300 years the church had nopolitical reach.
So how can they say the churchwas persecuting Jews in the
first 200 years?

(11:53):
It's absurd.
We do have cases in Persia andelsewhere and Rome where the
Jews were stirring uppersecutions against Christians.
What we're told is the reverseof the truth.
Then for the middle ages, ifyou like although I don't like
that term, got to find a betterone because it's it's so modern
as if that were the middle.
But then gregory, the greatissues, secret judas to protect

(12:16):
the jews, and then a dozen popesafter him, the next 600 years
issuing laws to protect the jews.
That's what the church did.
Yeah, so you can't have poweror influence, but you can't harm
them.
And then in the last 500 yearssay where is this persecution of
Jews coming from the church?
Never.
The church is perfect, thebride of Christ.

(12:37):
Of course Catholics have fallenand Catholics do wrong, but
it's not from a mysterious,irrational anti-Semitism.
It's very often a reaction toJewish behavior.
Of course there's some Greekmerchants whatever in Odessa who
are greedy and want to prosperand they've got this competition
with the Jews, so they like tohave a pogrom to break up the
Jewish shops.

(12:58):
But it's one-sided if you don'tsee that the Jews were ripping
people off and they do lovebankrupting people so they can
get control.
So finally, this accusationthat was brought to the Pope is
that it's because of churchteaching and the Gospels and the
church fathers and St JohnChrysostom and St Augustine that
the Holocaust happened.
Then they start changing theGood Friday prayer for the Jews

(13:20):
and the Holy Week and theneverything else falls apart.
That's what my video, which Ihope to get out tonight, is
about.
This is why we need to get pastthe Holocaust narrative which
is a total inverse of the truth.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
A lot of times St John Chrysostom is brought up.
You know when people talk aboutanti-Semitic church teachings.
Can you touch on briefly why StJohn Chrysostom preached so
much against Jews and Judaismduring his time and place?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Because the synagogue was strong and they're trying
to Judaize the churches and he'sprotecting his flock from
heresy, from a disastrous lossof the faith and going back to
the law without grace.
And there are some fake quotesout there, bad translations of
St Ambrose and St JohnChrysostom.
We've got to be really careful.

(14:12):
They did use very stronglanguage, but it's always if you
read the whole.
He had eight homilies.
Read the whole of any one ofthem and it's always.
He's a saint, a doctor of thechurch, one of the four greatest
Eastern fathers of the church.
So he's coming from a place ofcharity.
I wouldn't argue with one wordof his.

(14:34):
But he's saving the souls ofhis sheep.
He's warning them of thediabolical danger of the
synagogue whom Jesus calls thesynagogue of Satan.
If you want, later we can getinto what is a Jew?
Jesus tells us those who saythey are Jews and are not, but
who lie, they are the synagogueof Satan.
There's so much in there.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
A big part of me kind of really understanding this
was because since growing up inNov in in novus ordo catholicism
, I have been presented withthis idea that jews, muslims and
christians worship the same god.
And it wasn't until I reallyunderstood that the patriarchs

(15:21):
and the saints of the oldtestament did not see like they.
They fully understood that godwas a multiplicity like.
Whether they understood thetrinity as fully as we do is is
a different thing, but theydefinitely understood that when
the word of the lord comes tojeremiah, it is the logos coming
to him, it is christ coming tohim.

(15:42):
So you have these theophaniesthroughout the old testament.
So when jesus confronts thePharisees and John and they say
they're sons of Abraham, he saysno, your father is the devil.
And something struck me when Iheard that.
That it's especially after thecouncil and John Paul II lives
in Poland and he sees theatrocities of World War II.

(16:03):
And then this narrative comesforward.
I mean, I have a friend whothinks that John Paul was
writing most of his theologybased on Jewish scholars and
things like that.
The narrative that comes forthfrom World War II is so strong
that it influences the church innot just her liturgy, but her

(16:25):
theology, everything.
So when I see Cardinal Dolancoming out and talking about
Ramadan at the same time as Lent, it appears to me like the
hierarchy is trying to get us toworship the God the Pharisees
worshiped and Jesus is tellingus straight out their father is
the devil.
I mean, I don't know, maybe I'moverthinking it, maybe it's, I
don't know, but it's what itseems like to me.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
And Jesus also acknowledges in the same John
eight unless it's John five,john eight yes, abraham is your
father according to the flesh.
Like one man he says he's notyour father, the devil is.
And then he says yes, your sonsof Abraham according to the
flesh.
So it's like in Apocalypse 2, 9and 3, 9, when he says they say

(17:09):
they're Jews and they're not.
Yes, you might be descended inthe flesh.
And St Paul says as well aboutthe true Israelites in Romans
and Galatians is saying not allIsraelites are true Israelites
or sons of Israel.
And we have the same with theJew.
The Jew is not the onecircumcised in the flesh, but
circumcised in heart.
Is the true Jew?
So the answer is theincarnation, where you have

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Jesus, one person with twonatures, human and divine.
And we have to work out when hespeaks there's a communication
of idioms.
Is this referring to the divineor the human, or both, when he
utters certain things or doescertain things?
So when he says your father isthe devil, he's talking about
the spiritual.
When he says Abraham is yourfather, he's talking about the

(17:53):
flesh.
When he says Abraham is notyour father, he's talking about
the spiritual.
And when the Jews say we're notof the devil whatever, and they
mean well, of the flesh.
They're correct the devilcreated nothing.
So if we understand, thatunlocks the whole thing about
israelites, jews, sons ofabraham, and people go off on
this kazari rabbit hole saying,oh, the jews you see in israel

(18:13):
are not descendants of the um,chosen people from the old
testament.
They're genetically different.
It's irrelevant.
Irrelevant because one is.
Well, how do you account thenfor this phenomenally evil
nation of Khazaris?
Where do they get this evilfrom that?
They do genocide for fun andpost it on TikTok and are proud
of themselves for it, sodomizeprisoners to death and think

(18:37):
they're doing a holy thing.
It's really evil Saying thatKhazaris doesn't explain that.
But when you think you're thechosen people and you're meant
to rule the world, and then yousuffer for one and a half
thousand years, two thousandyears, and it's not happening,
there's a massive resentment andthey end up god messed up, the
creator messed up.
We have to fix god and it maybeanother time.

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All the sexual perversion islinked to that as well, about
male and female principles andthem thinking that the cherubim
on the mercy seat in the Ark ofthe Covenant, those two angels,
are doing something sexual.
There's a rabbi in the Talmud,I think, saying they used to
once a year at a pilgrimage,show the Jews the sexual acts of
these two angels, but thepeople weren't allowed into that

(19:21):
part of the temple and the Arkhad been lost in babylon anyway.
Because he's talking post-exile, I think, and it's just obscene
this idea that angels which areasexual and they think then if
we do certain sexual acts onearth, you can alter heaven or
repair or manipulate heaven, andthat this perversion is from a

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loss of identity, searching forwho you are, when your identity
is you're the people chosen byGod to welcome the Messiah and
you crucified him.
That's a pretty hard identityto carry.
You need to repent.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
So one thing that I've really had a different
point of view on from listeningto you is I never thought that
Israel had any kind of a divineright to exist, but I was like,
well, they're there, so I guessthey have a natural right to it
at this point.
But listening to you made methink differently about it

(20:15):
totally, where it's like no,even the idea.
So in Matthew 24, jesus saysnot one stone will stand upon
another.
The temple will come down andthe Jews are dispersed from the
Holy Land and they are avagabond people for 2000 years.

(20:37):
Essentially, god has permitted.
This has extremely bigtheological significance because
you've said that the state ofIsrael itself is the earthly
kingdom of Satan.
Right, like that's what this is.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, it's his footprints on earth.
They have no natural or divineright to that land.
I just want to rewind again.
You asked about Hitler and Ididn't quite answer about the
inversion of truth.
If there's four points wherehe's accused of something which
he didn't do but the Jews did,one was to start the war.
The Jews were calling for thatin 1933.

(21:16):
The bankers and the Zionistsdoing everything they can to
provoke a World War Two as theystarted World War One, wasn't
Hitler?
Hitler didn't want war withFrance or England, certainly not
with America.
He made a dozen peace offeringsto England.
Neville Chamberlain accepted.
But then the Jews bringChurchill in.
His back is in the focus groupto get the war Over.

(21:40):
Millions of Frenchmen,englishmen, americans,
especially Russians and Poles.
But why or what?
Hitler was looking eastward allthe time to the Bolsheviks
against Stalin.
And as soon as World War II isover, churchill's like oh, we
killed the wrong pig, meaning weshould have been with Germany

(22:00):
against Stalin and the USSR.
And the Americans said the same, I think first of all you had
the Morgenthau plan to try andgenocide the Germans, another
Jewish genocide plan.
And then the Americans realizedno, we need to strengthen
Germany as a bulwark against theSoviet Union.
So Hitler was right about that.
Where the threat came, I mean Iwish he wouldn't go to war at

(22:21):
all.
But he didn't want a world war.
He didn't want to take overEurope.
That was never his plan.
It was always an Eastwarddefense of Bolshevism which was
taking down Germany and had beenwith Jewish influence for
decades, which he overcame.
The next thing is that he wantsto take over Europe.
No, he didn't.
He did that when France andEngland declared war on him.

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But the Jews want to take overthe world they're projecting.
Then they say he had thisgenocidal plan.
He didn't.
The final solution, which wentthrough different phases of
emigration first of all.
But when the war started therewas a lot of emigration out of
Germany.
Just free People could leaveand and their german authorities

(23:03):
facilitated it.
But then, when the war starts,these immigrants are
collaborating in america orengland with allied intelligence
and the germans realize, oh,they're perfect german speakers.
This is bad for intercepts, forpropaganda, we don't want them
emigrating there.
So they want a territorialsolution.
For a long time they'd bethinking about madagascar or a

(23:25):
dozen locations around the worldwhere the jews could go in one
place.
They came up with the niscolublin plan in poland, southern
eastern poland, and a lot ofpeople died there because it was
, um, so many jews crammed in inunsanitary conditions.
Yeah, it was disease and yeah.
And so you have the commandantsthere or the governors of the

(23:46):
region saying look, just slowdown with deporting jews here,
we can't quite cope.
Then, after operationbarbarossa begins and they take
all this soviet territory, thegermans think, oh, we can send
all the jews out there, um, toform a, so the baltic states,
into Ukraine and Belarus, whichactually happened.

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But that war turns against theGermans and by 1943, they
realized this isn't working.
So they changed Sobibor, forexample, from a transit camp to
a prison camp to labor onammunitions, whatever.
The Soviets sweep all the wayto Berlin and there's so many
people caught up in that,including all the jews.
And after the war, the sovietshad no interest in getting

(24:30):
germany off the hook of theholocaust and the soviets had
been deporting jews from 1940,from poland out to the siberia
and the gulag, even down down toIran and Central Asia.
It wasn't huge numbers then.
I mean hundreds of thousands,it wasn't millions, but by the
end of the war I think this iswhere the biggest number of

(24:54):
missing Jews are.
They were swallowed up by theSoviets.
So there's so many accusationsand the whole gas chamber thing
never, ever, ever happened.
But you do have Jewsfantasizing about that, writing
in their diaries in the midst ofworld war ii, what they want to
do to the germans, and it'shorrific, it's the industrial
scale murder with conveyor belts, vats, massive places that the

(25:16):
germans never did, and it's it'shard for people to get their
heads around this.
This is where I've developed alot in the last two years, cause
when I wrote a chapter in Mosestwo about the whole
weaponization, the Holocaustnarrative, and even that one and
a half years ago, I thoughtthat there may be some gas

(25:36):
chambers, which is horrific, butit was.
It was only tens of thousandsor hundreds of thousands, which
is demonic, you know, but Ithought there was some and you
realize, no, there were no gaschambers, none, no homicidal gas
chambers.
It's a lie, it's a fantasy frompeople realizing a couple of
guys got sick in auschwitzbecause they're delousing the

(25:56):
clothes using zyklon b.
This is a couple of german orpolish prison guards, not
prisoners.
And so there's all these safetyregulations, like there are
peepholes in the door.
You had to have the peephole.
So if someone's going in thereto distribute the Zyklon
capsules for the disinfestationof clothes, there had to be

(26:17):
someone outside watching him.
So if he had a problem youcould bring him out.
Yeah, you know, and you've gota gas mask.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Sorry, it's so.
Look, we have.
Here's what's interesting aboutthis the.
The generational gap on howpeople perceive this is huge,
right.
So you, if you look to theboomers, they can't even hear
this.
Yeah, because they.
They come up under watchingmovies like sophie's and all

(26:44):
these.
It's just the nonstoppropaganda that comes at you.
Gen X same thing.
Millennials too right, like,every year comes out another
World War II movie where this isaccentuated and we are
propagandized by the media weconsume.
But what's interesting is thatthe younger generation, who
doesn't really watch what'sgoing on in Hollywood and

(27:06):
they're more on social media,are starting to be able to be
broken out of the narrative thatthe generation before them.
Because I even discussing withmy wife some of the things that
you were talking about,especially during this movie we
watched last night, when they'regoing through the gas chamber
scene, for her to even hear that.
That's not true.

(27:26):
She was like.
She was like you can't say thatand I'm like why, I mean, you
can't say that?
I'm like it's very interestinghow propaganda and narrative
work and it's also like, becausewe've been fed this for so long
, I'm like even listening tosome of the things you say.
I'm like there's somethinginternally like no, no, but if

(27:50):
it's like, if all that shouldmatter is the truth.
So if it's true like this, thisisn't about drumming up like
because I've seen exactly whatyou're saying, where I just saw,
like jakes yesterday talkingabout, no, we should bomb Israel
, and there is something thatcan happen like that, that you
can turn your hatred towards apeople over something, and

(28:15):
that's not the answer to it.
The answer to it actually is inthese old Testament stories of
reconciliation that you'retalking about right, and there
will be this mass conversion ofJews at the end.
Even Jesus's parables theparable of the prodigal son, is
about this right, the olderbrother having enmity to the son

(28:36):
who converts.
That is a story of the Gentilenations coming to God and the
older brother not being happy.
How about the parable of Jesusand the workers in the vineyard?
That these ones come in at thelast, at the last of the day,
and the ones that were there allday are like we.
This is, this has been our storysince the beginning of time,

(28:57):
and now you're just lettingthese Gentiles in at the last
minute.
It's the same thing with thewedding.
Almost every one of Jesus'sparables revolve around this
enmity between the sons ofAbraham of the flesh and the
sons of Abraham of the spirit.
So, to witness what I'm seeingin, especially in a lot of

(29:18):
Catholic circles, when you getinto this Philos project and
everybody being afraid to havethis conversation, it's like
they're trying to put a fear inus to have this conversation,
which will blind us to thereality of this enmity that
comes about at the end of time,I think.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, and it's because there's a bigger fear
than being tyrannized.
You know, the Hebrews wanted togo back to Egypt, back to
slavery, for a few cucumbers,because they had this prospect
of freedom and responsibilityand they got scared.
There's a bigger fear thanbeing tyrannized by world Jewry.
It's basically what St Stephendid, what Jesus did lay down

(29:59):
your life.
You will win.
You win eternity if you laydown your life for the truth.
You can't engineer it or makeit happen, but you stand for the
truth and take whatever comes.
So we don't want to bomb israel.
We just, england, should stopsending the weapons, absolutely
stop, stop giving themintelligence support, stop
giving them diplomatic cover.

(30:20):
We have no business doing this,basically for other nations,
but especially not for onecarrying out a genocide and one
that used British blood andCommonwealth blood, australian
blood, to get Palestine throughGallipoli and Beersheba and then
to bring down the OttomanEmpire.
And then the Jews, who areinvading us for weapons and

(30:42):
training, turn against the Britswith terrorism, assassinating
Lord Moyne, blowing up oursoldiers, booby-trapping their
bodies.
And we as a nation, englandalthough England hasn't existed
for 500 years since theReformation, it's a Jewish
construct, that whole Protestantthing we're sending them

(31:02):
weapons and giving themdiplomatic cover to kill women
and children.
Just horrifically.
This is worse than covid.
You know, covid was a trauma,trauma, trauma for everyone
being locked down.
This is you're witnessing agenocide and your governments
are paying for it and backing it.
Germany, england, france,america what?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
what's going on?
This?
This has been really, um,especially under.
Okay.
So I was.
I actually was a little hopefulwith trump winning the election
and I was like, okay, maybe wecould turn some of this around.
I think I was a bit naive, buteven watching, uh, trump
handling ukraine and russia, um,I I think he could end that war

(31:47):
by just cutting aid off toUkraine.
Like, just stop feeding themintelligence and weapons.
There's no way Europe couldcontinue that war without us.
Just stop it.
I'm watching him bombing Yemenand the Houthis on behalf of
Israel.
The Israel-Middle East policycontinues, policy continues.
It's to me, the the most drasticthing is, I think that the DEI

(32:10):
stuff and the woke stuff wasalmost a false flag.
They knew it was absurd.
They knew 90 percent of peoplewould be like what is this?
So when Trump cuts that off,it's like most conservatives are
like, oh, we're winning, andthey're like we're getting back.
But you're really not, you'rejust continuing.
What was happening?
It was almost like a pressurerelease valve.

(32:31):
And now the things thateverybody was worried about
under Biden, which wasessentially control through
money like CBDC, and they wereworried about electric cars
because of the control they'dhave over you with
transportation, all the thingswe were worried about under
Biden.
I see the conservatives nowrooting for because it's under

(32:51):
Trump and they've managed it.
It just seems like too easy ofa thing that people are falling
for because we're justcontinuing.
The foreign policy stuff isexactly the same.
There's nothing changed there.
The foreign policy stuff isexactly the same.
There's nothing changed there.
The moral issues I mean Trumpwith the IVF and he's got

(33:12):
married men who used surrogacyto have children in his cabinet.
I see no difference other thanlike the craziest of things
taken down a bit, and I thinkit's.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
we're just we're marching towards something still
yeah, um, but I think it willunravel it with, like the uss
liberty people finding out aboutthat.
It's black and white andsomething like that doesn't
happen in isolation.
You can't organize the Americanadministration to turn a blind

(33:46):
eye to the slaughter of theirown sailors from a supposed ally
overnight.
It means there's been a deepinfiltration of American power
for a long, long time.
So that helps explain 9-11, allthe wars we have now World War
II, world War I, and even goingback to the Norman invasion of

(34:10):
before.
That was the Jewish financebehind that of England in 1066.
But that's why my aim is toplease God in God's time, if he
will.
Unless I'm crazy, a pope saysany priest can offer the liturgy
according to the pre-55 missile.
This is like the fullness oftruth.
It's so beautiful, so intense,so powerful.

(34:31):
Only then will, I think, we bewhat we're meant to be as
Catholics the church, be herselfand stand and have a strong
family life, a Christian society, society, a global christendom.
If I can just speak briefly onone element of the pre-55, it

(34:52):
just occurred to me a month agoand I'm finding out new things
when I think about it there's asecond confitio before holy
communion that's no longer inthe 1962 missile and there's a
just a few seconds of the Masswhere there's so many gestures
piled into it, where, after thepriest has received and he's
about to distribute to thefaithful, he says the confitior

(35:13):
for them or the servo would forthe faithful.
Then the priest turns partlyfrom the altar, gives an
absolution from sin so peopleare ready to receive holy
communion.
When he does that, he makes thesign of the cross, so you have
the passion in that gesture.
He names the father, son andholy ghost, so you have the

(35:35):
blessed trinity in his words.
He's got one hand on the altar,his left hand touching it,
because all grace flows fromChrist, who is the altar, then
through the priest, so you havean acknowledgement of holy
orders and the hierarchy of thechurch.
Before he turned around, hegenuflected because the blessed

(35:55):
sacrament is present in thesaboria on the altar and
possibly as well the tabernacle,his fingers, when he gives the
blessing like this, because he'sconsecrated the host and he
doesn't want to lose a particle.
So you have the teaching thatthe whole christ body, blood,
soul and divinity is in everyperceptible particle of the host
.
When he's given the absolution,he genuflects again before

(36:16):
retrieving the suboria todistribute to the faithful.
So you have their adoration ofgod again.
But it's like you think Christis king.
He's making a genuflection tohis king and the faithful, when
they receive the absolution,join the confitior, they're
kneeling down, they have theirheads probably bowed.
So you have this humble posturein order to receive our Lord

(36:39):
and they make the sign of thecross when he gives the blessing
over them, which is the sign ofall taking up their cross, as
Christ commanded us.
And all that happens in sixseconds, seven seconds.
It's not planned like that bythe church, it just happens
because of the reality, of thereal presence.
That's how you have to handlethe mass when God is on your

(37:01):
altar and people are about toreceive him, so you can pick
certain moments of the masswhere God is on your altar and
people are about to receive him,so you can pick certain moments
of the mass where it's thatdense in.
In seven seconds of the massyou have every doctrine and
dogma packed in in the timing,the gestures, the text.
It's beautiful, but we need togrow up with this.

(37:22):
And I converted, converted late,well, reverted to Catholicism.
I was terrible, so far from thechurch.
Then it took me 10 years toeven hear about the traditional
mass and attend one.
And then I heard about thepre-55, and I was against it at
first.
Arrogant little seminarianthinking oh, what's the pre-55?
You know it's complicatedenough, trying to get my head

(37:45):
around the 62 missile, but whyadd a layer of complication?
Why go back another seven years?
Is that really going to bedifferent?
Then I attended it in romeafter five years or so and it
blew me away.
It's like another layer ofgod's grace and the good of the
church.
And and the pre-55 holy week.
If anyone can get to it, do itto change your world.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
There's, there's a there's a diocesan parish in New
York that is doing a pre 55Holy week.
It's about an hour from me.
I am going to it becausebecause, like I, I need to,
because I need to actuallyexperience it in order to to
make even a judgment onsomething like that.

(38:29):
Right.
So, the importance of liturgyand these traditional devotions,
you think about what actuallysets up the foundation for
Christendom, and it is thistraditional liturgy, it's what
conquers the pagan world.
This traditional liturgy, it'swhat conquers the pagan world.

(38:50):
And to not see how devastatingthe changing of the liturgy was
on all of society, you have tobe completely blind.
So I don't want to say it's allliturgy, because there's a lot
of dogmatic stuff that goesalong with it and, plus, you had
cultural revolutions going on.
But until you get back to it'sthe same reason, the Jews are
able to remain a people.
Right, they still do theirrituals, they still do their bar

(39:14):
mitzvahs and their Shabbat andall that stuff.
That's what, that's how they.
If you don't have ritual, it'swhy there's absolutely no unity
within Protestantism, becausethere's no unity of ritual.
So they're just completelyfractured.
But if the Catholic Church isfractured in its liturgy as well
.
There'll be no unity thereeither, and it's really an

(39:36):
extremely important thing forall of us to have these
traditional devotions.
I'm excited to go and see myfirst pre-55 Lenten Holy Week
this year.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
And there's some great hand missiles you can get
for the pre-55 Holy Week,whatever Triduum.
You go to get one of the oldones and pray from it.
You get so much and a wholedeal more when you're there.
The relationship, I think,between liturgy, doctrine and
life, like morals, is similar tothe transcendentals and,
ultimately, the holy trinity.
So you have being, truth andgoodness, and unity are

(40:10):
convertible, or, to put ittechnically, unity, truth and
goodness are convertible withbeing right, so being is prior,
and unity actually comes beforetruth and truth comes before
goodness, but they're allconvertible with being.
So when you have the liturgyright, that is like being.
It is life, divine life.

(40:31):
The doctrine fits it perfectly,it's truth, it fits perfectly
with our liturgy.
My video tonight is about theGood Friday Prayer for the Jews,
why it is packed with truth andwe need that truth.
And then the goodness thatcomes from that is your, with
truth, and we need that truth.
And then the goodness thatcomes from that is your moral
life, for which you need grace,the illumination of true
doctrine, and grace tostrengthen your will.

(40:52):
And all three, though, are onelike, ultimately, in the Blessed
Trinity, with the Father beingthat origin without origins, in
a sense the source of being theSon, being the Logos, truth, the
light of truth and the HolyGhost being goodness.
But you can't separate them.
So you can't lead a proper,have a moral society, a

(41:14):
Christian society, without theright liturgy or without the
true doctrine.
A lot of trads say look, this isnot primarily a liturgical
fight, it's a doctrinal fightand the thing is they're in
complete parallel.
But I personally think that theliturgy is the deepest.
We're literally connected withheaven and you change the

(41:35):
liturgy, you're changing yourrelation to heaven.
Except that God and the saintsbequeathed us a liturgy and if
the Holocaust is the reason itgot changed, that's it.
I've got loads of evidencecoming in this video and that's
why I'm banging on about theHolocaust.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Why do you think you are the only priest talking
about this?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
That's the most shocking thing to me is that you
are the only one talking aboutthis when you get into any
subject, you find that more andmore people have been talking
about it for ages that youdidn't know about before, so I
don't think I'm the only one.
But yeah, I did have my time inprison in Burma, which I think

(42:22):
now was good preparation forthis time.
It's just where you've got totake it one day at a time.
I didn't know when I'd get out.
I had a 17 year prison sentence.
I didn't believe it would lastthat long.
I guessed it would be six to 18months inside.
I was 14 months inside, then Igot released.
But you can't.
If you're putting your hopes ongetting out, I think you break

(42:44):
psychologically.
I'm not putting my hopes on apope acknowledging that you
can't forbid the pre-55.
It might never happen, or mightnever happen in my lifetime, or
anything can go wrong beforethen.
But one day at a time, I thinkthis is what we need.
This is what the world needs.
This is what's pleasing to Godand what is in the way, whatever

(43:11):
is in the way, whatever is inthe way, take it down.
And what's in the way is jewishpower, jewish lies, jewish
greed and, of course, gentilesin.
We're sinning before the jewsexisted.
I'm not denying that, but it's.
It's specifically because theywere the chosen people who
crucified Christ and resent thatGentiles should be God's
children.
They resent that this is thesecond most powerful force in

(43:35):
the world.
The most powerful is Christ andgrace, truth, the church.
But what's set against that isthe negation of it all and again
.
Well, we've spoken a lot.
The conversion of the jews isabsolutely certain from the
scriptures and it gives you thathope and that goodwill towards

(43:55):
them.
So you're not afraid of them.
You're looking forward to theday of reconciliation, but not
gonna like people think thisposition.
Sometimes.
It means turning the othercheek, means you let the jews
walk all over society.
It does not.
Turning the other cheek isabout dismissing a personal
insult.
Someone has a go at you.
Let it pass if it's not goingto be a scandal.

(44:16):
But when they're killingchildren in gaza, there's
nothing about turning the othercheek to allow that.
So I'd say we cease alldiplomatic recognition of Israel
, stop supplying them withanything, and they're going to
have to learn to be very, verygood to their neighbors there if

(44:38):
they're going to stay.
And then I'd hope to see aPalestinian state, if not a
Christian kingdom, where theywill treat the Jews as they did
for hundreds and hundreds ofyears, giving them their own
space and tolerance.
But they've so angered theMuslims rightly and the Arabs.
It's hard, isn't it, to see howthere can be any reconciliation

(44:59):
there, and of course Islamdoesn't have the power to
reconcile any reconciliation.
And of course islam doesn'thave the power to reconcile.
Only catholicism does, maybethrough the consecration of
russia, and then the orthodoxcome back from a schism that's
so old, and then the reformationis overturned, then the
enlightenment is overturned.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I think it starts with russia, with that schism,
which is a jewish work yeah, I,I think I think that will be
incredibly difficult until wehave our own liturgy restored
and things like that right,because why would they want to
reconcile that, that schism withus?
When I mean, I just just fromlistening to what the orthodox

(45:39):
say they're like look at howmuch innovation you guys have
had over the course of the lastfew decades Like I don't.
It's something we need to fixin-house first in order for us
to be able to go and heal theoutside schism.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Or consecrate.
Russia and Our Lady will takecare of it.
Hard to see how it happened,but we might even need the help
of orthodox bishops who have theapostolic succession.
I I it's a big question aboutour own bishop's consecration.
Right, it's a mess.
It's definitely weaker.
Definitely weaker.
Whether or not it's valid.

(46:15):
I mean, I'm trusting it's valid.
I don't have a demonstrationthat it's not, but there's so
many question marks over it.
Why did we do that?
That's disastrous and with aunity with Russia, using
Orthodox or Coptic or otherbishops who definitely have
apostolic succession.
We can at least put thatquestion to rest.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
That's true, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
That's interesting because even if you go back and
like, listen, I know everybody'sgot questions about malachi
martin, but he he does talkabout how russia and the like,
salvation will come from theeast and russia will play a
significant part in in therestoration of the church

(46:57):
somehow yeah, we can't imagineAmerica or England becoming
Catholic overnight, but youcould imagine Russia becoming
very Orthodox Christian in ashort time frame, and they had a
lot of experience of the enmityof the elder brother that they
don't want to pour for again.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
From there it can spread to places like Hungary
and then Eastern Europe, poland,say, and then slowly to other
smaller nations around the worldwho knows?
The Philippines, or in SouthAmerica where there is a lot of
Catholic heritage, and thenfinally England and America
might see that, wow, they've allgot a good thing there.

(47:41):
Yeah, catholic King, christianTsar, sir, let's do it do you?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
do you think, um, because I all right, there's a
couple of dangers with, like,okay, well, all right, before
that, even, um, this is thistopic specifically I've seen e
michael jones talk about, butit's almost a blind spot for him
when it comes to the liturgy.
That he doesn't.
I don't know if he doesn't seeit or he doesn't think it's that

(48:06):
important, but he's like hedoesn't.
He doesn't think the liturgy isa significant enough of an
issue to put your foot down on,and he, like the Jewish
infiltration and almost creationof the Novus Ordo, seems to
have very Jewish roots.
So, like I do know he talksabout the subject of the Jews,

(48:30):
but there's this blind spot whenit comes to the Novus Ordo and
the council itself, and sothat's one thing.
That's that I find interesting.
But and then, all right, let's,let's just stick with that.
And then I want to talk moreabout apocalyptic stuff, because
what I see is people that do godown this road.

(48:51):
It seems to be the only thingthey can see, and I wonder why
that is.
Why do you think it is thatonce you see this, you just keep
going deeper?
Because I think there could bea danger in that too, right,
sure.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, I joined the COVID lockdowns.
I got E Michael Jones's bookthe Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.
It's a very big book butbecause of lockdowns I had time
to read it and I'm eternallygrateful to him because that
unlocked so much for me.
Because if you're trying toanswer the Jewish question just
by analyzing current politics oreven historical events, it's so

(49:26):
hard to put it together andthere's so many counter
arguments and obfuscation.
It's very, very difficult.
But he gave the theological keythat this is a spiritual matter,
it's a revolutionary spirit,one that's negatively orientated
against god, and that means youcan understand history and

(49:46):
understand current politics.
So for e michael jones to havedone that and he was a kind of a
lone voice I mean there's lotsof lone voices out there I think
when you're speaking the truth,you you're isolated, although
there's actually quite a lot ofpeople doing it.
It's just that their enemyisolates them.
And he's done an awesome thingfor the world and the church

(50:10):
with that and others of hisbooks.
And to have answers on theliturgy.
You really want theologians andclerics to stand up and teach
that.
And if theologians and clericsare getting that right, there's
loads of Catholics out there who, like Nick Fuentes, says
brilliant stuff about the Jewsand especially about a

(50:31):
threatened war with Iran.
He was onto this way beforeanyone you would see in the
mainstream and any other bigname podcasters, whatever.
He's seen it coming Brilliant,brilliant analysis, calling it
out and paying a price, um, buthe doesn't attempt, as far as I
can tell, to teach about theliturgy.

(50:53):
He knows his, his lane rightand you're not going to go to
him for answers on the liturgy.
People won't really go tomichael jones for answers on the
liturgy and and I also see heleaves some space there when he
is conceiving he has tradseminarians coming to hear his
talks.
He knows the trads are on tosomething and they know that
he's on to something.
And this is the beauty of thebody of Christ.

(51:15):
Right, we actually need eachother.
All the members With theirdifferent.
Each organ in your body has aspecific purpose and it needs to
be devoted to that purpose andthen the whole works together.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
So, people, will have their different expertise.
Now, do you think that God haseven allowed the Jews to come
back into Israel itself has tohave apocalyptic consequences
Like it just seems to me thateven them being allowed back

(51:51):
into the Holy Land has to bevery significant.
In the story of Christianity.
And the way I understand thestory, it seems that after the
Ascension, especially if youread in Augustine City of God,

(52:15):
you see the establishment of thealtar of God go throughout
Christendom.
The pagan gods are vanquishedand you see the rise of
Christendom and especially withall our liturgies and things
like that, where you know, asthe priests are going throughout
these places with incense,they're casting off demons.
And then all of a sudden youhave the Jews returning to the

(52:36):
Holy Land and it seems like thedemons are unleashed back upon
the earth.
The liturgy of the churchchanges.
We're no longer casting offdemons, but the demons seem to
be getting a footh back upon theearth.
The liturgy of the churchchanges.
We're no longer casting offdemons, but the demons seem to
be getting a foothold throughoutthe earth.
Like I kind of see this, as alot of people are trying to tell
me this is a type, but I don'tknow, to me it kind of seems
like the main event we're comingup on.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, and it wasn't sudden, it wasn't, you know.
You know Israel Ben Manassehwas meeting with Oliver Cromwell
back in the 1660s, talkingabout Zionism in a vague way
because it seems thenpolitically impossible.
But the Kabbalists and someTalmudists, they've wanted this
ever since their temple wasdestroyed, you know they tried

(53:18):
to rebuild it.
They had no chance but they'vewanted it.
They've been very patient.
They've built up how they cando it.
Then, with the Rothschildsbuying land in Palestine from
the 1820s.
It's a long-term plan, requireda lot of political subversion,
but it's definitely of massivesignificance.
But I think, in completely theopposite way as you get from the

(53:41):
Catholic truth about thescriptures.
So everything in the OldTestament, jesus shows us how
this is fulfilled in a spiritualway.
So, for example, the HolyEucharist, it's grace, divinity,
the soul of Jesus you'rereceiving with his body and
blood, which is material, butdown at the level of substance,
not the accidents, um, or tounderstand adam, um falling

(54:08):
asleep and having his rib takenout to make eve.
You'll understand then, withjesus on the cross and his blood
and water from his side beingthe beginning of the church, and
the sacraments of baptism andthe holy eucharist, so that
everything in the Old Testamenthas a spiritual significance.
The land of Israel signifiesheaven.
Crossing the Jordan River isgoing over death.

(54:29):
Um, the, the milk and honey itflows with is like truth and
love, or however you're going tointerpret.
This is how the church fathersinterpret everything.
The hills around Jerusalem,they say, are like the good
bishops who protect the flock,and the mountains are like the

(54:50):
evangelists who preach thegospels.
The stars in heaven are likethe children of Abraham.
God said look up, count thestars if you can, and then the
sun is up there, because Christis just the light of the whole
of heaven.
Everything in nature, increation, has a spiritual
meaning, and then history is.

(55:12):
It's like the meaning piled ontop of meaning.
Using like words have a meaning, but if all you can do is utter
one or another word, it's notthat interesting.
String, string some wordstogether, you get something very
interesting.
So nature, everything has ameaning.
String them together like alamb being sacrificed, and you
have an image of the son of Godgiving his life for us, then

(55:36):
you're putting sentencestogether.
So when people look at thereturn of those who say they're
Jews and are not whatever, tothe real estate in the Middle
East, that they're calling theland of Israel and they want the
greater Israel.
This is actually the devil'sattempt, I think, to give an
apparent fulfillment of thescriptures, which will suck in

(55:58):
every idiot and heretic.
And I'm angry with the heretics.
We shouldn't softball on it.
They're stealing souls fromheaven.
The protestants, yes, with theircrazy jewish ideas of the old
testament.
So I saw this jewish womanspeaking recently on devon
stack's uh, insomnia stream andshe's she's salivating over
destruction, looking forward toa war to destroy nations, and

(56:19):
she thinks this comes fromzechariah and moses.
This is how they read todestroy nations, and she thinks
this comes from Zechariah andMoses.
This is how they read the oldtestament.
And she talks about theupheavals and earthquakes and
then plagues, and thinking we'vehad these political and
financial upheavals and then thecovid plague which the jews
engineered, and she, she lovesit and she says and now we're

(56:40):
going to have our big war anddestruction.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
All this is the devil fulfilling a carnal
understanding of the scripturesthat's temporal instead of
eternal that's yeah one one ofthe most one of the most
interesting parts of the seriesyou're doing is when you go and
look to some of the rabbisexplaining this and then the
christian zionists like ravingabout it, like Like the

(57:03):
Christian Zionism specifically,other than just Protestant.
Because I see it, I see it thesame way with Protestantism is
that they, their father is thedevil, like they're there, they
have a veneer of Jesus, but it'sreally just do as thou will in
most of Protestant, and I, youknow I'm painting with a broad
brush and whatever, but it'sreally just do as thou will in

(57:24):
most of Protestants and I'mpainting with a broad brush and
whatever, but it is do as thouwill.
It's essentially well, once I'msaved, I'm saved.
There's no depth to a spirituallife there.
It's atheism, essentially Maybenot atheism, but it's worship of
a God in your own image insteadof worshiping Christ as he

(57:46):
intended.
There's only one Christ.
So these other versions they'representing are false Christs,
they're false messiahs and I seeeven within Catholicism there's
a Catholic Zionism coming about, coming about.
I watched a conference at thePhilos Project where this

(58:07):
Catholic woman got up and saidthe reason some of this
anti-Semitism is coming about isbecause Catholics are envious
of the Jews because they're morepro-life than them, and that
they're having a replacementrate of three children, whereas
Catholics have an average of 2.3.
So the real reason that there'santi-semitism amongst catholics

(58:27):
is because, deep down, catholicsare envious of the pro-life
stance of the jews, and I waslike I was ready to throw
something at the screen.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
It was evil it's like to say that's, that's all like.
It's always about envy to themlike that, the whole argument as
to why anti-semitism happenedin the past is because we were
envious that they weresuccessful doctors and lawyers
and that's what this wholeconference was about.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
We're envious of them because of their success, if
you have baptism.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Who can you be envious of?
Yes, you receive the holyeucharist.
You cannot be envious.
It's the opposite.
You want them to come in andhave it as well.
Yeah, you're like this is sogood.
This is unity with god.
It blows our mind every time.
You want other people to haveit, even if they've hurt you and
lied about you.
You're like you know what thebest result would be if you

(59:16):
repent, convert and come.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Come to the altar as well like you, like you said
it's, it's projection on theirpart.
It's not that we're envious oftheir success.
They're envious of us that wehave the Messiah, that we
receive the body and blood ofthe Messiah.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah.
So I think with the wholefounding of the state of Israel,
the devil can't really counterthe Catholic truth just by
ignoring it or denying it.
That won't work.
He needs to give a falsealternative that the idiotic
reading the scriptures it seemsto be fulfilled gathering all

(59:52):
the children of Israel, bringingthem back home.
That's a spiritual realityabout, I'd say, catholics
returning to tradition, becausewe're returning to heaven, the
promised land, which is thetraditional liturgy, which is
your connection with heaven.
So, and he will bring it to acatastrophic war.
I'm not saying, though, thatarmageddon has to happen.

(01:00:14):
Physically, it might, it mightnot.
It's up to us if we're going tobe faithful or not, because it
is happening now.
Spiritually, I mean, all thoseCatholics who are tolerating
what's happening in Palestinenow are losing their souls.
They are betraying man becauseyou're approving or allowing the

(01:00:38):
killing of children andcivilians, and they're betraying
God by recognizing an Israeliright to exist.
They don't.
They're the only people withoutland.
That's the whole point.
The Levites were the tribe to bepriests and God said you will
not have your portion of land, Iam your portion.
Such a beautiful promise to theLevites.
They weren't jealous of theother 11 tribes, who all had a

(01:01:00):
portion of land.
God said I am your portion.
So this is how catholicsunderstand it.
This earth is just ourpilgrimage.
We're passing through.
It's a tent, it's going to getfolded up.
Heaven is our home.
We're on our way there.
So, even though the nations bynature have your own sovereign
territory, which is absolutelyvital and to have to, we've got

(01:01:22):
to regain the meaning of theword foreigner.
By the way, in politics andtheology and everything, it's
not a nasty, aggressive, racistthing to talk about foreigners.
So you run your household.
You don't have other guys onthe street running your
household.
We should run our nations andforeigners can be there as
guests, but they have to behaveas guests.
And then Jews are alwaysforeigners wherever they go, but

(01:01:43):
they have to behave as guests.
And then Jews are alwaysforeigners wherever they go
because they have no land.
They can moan about that.
That's what you get for thecrucifixion.
Joshua warned about it, moseswarned about it, jeremiah warned
about it.
You break the covenant, youlose everything.
And the beautiful answer forthem is if they convert to
Catholicism, you inherit thewhole world in heaven.
You get heaven in heaven.
You get heaven in fact.

(01:02:04):
So what's your problem.
Although having a bit of landand living off the land, having
ancestors there, is how it worksby nature, and grace builds on
nature.
God supersedes that with thechurch and the life in the
church.
That's what's on offer to them.

(01:02:24):
When they're ready to take itand they will the Antichrist,
whenever he comes, he's going tototally expose himself.
It's already unraveling forthem.
I think They've got to act veryfast now because, yeah, the
young generation coming throughand, like with Nick Fuentes as
well, on Holocaust and Al, hejust says it like with no fear,
he said it very early on thoseguys, it doesn't seem to take

(01:02:47):
them long to work it out.
I went to prison in burmabecause of the holocaust.
In a way I thought how can sucha thing happen?
How man's in humanity to man?
I wanted to get eyeball thiskind of evil as close as I could
get to it, where I could handleit, which I thought inma, and I
didn't see it there.
That's the strange thing, Ididn't see it.
In the prison there were acouple of very evil prison

(01:03:08):
guards.
I got beat up a couple of times, but I'm not looking at this
level of evil we've been toldabout.
I know Burma is not NaziGermany.
But I had no hint of it andI've got to wrestle with that
for a long time and I didn'twant to admit it that the
Burmese regime, for all theterrible things they're doing,
they're not.
There's no connection with thecaricature of Nazi Germany that

(01:03:31):
I had in my head, or evenStalin's, which I think is real
evil Stalin.
It took me so long to realizethat the Holocaust didn't happen
and you have these 16-year-oldswho figured it out.
But there are some pretty weakarguments out there.
People will say 271,000 dead onthe prison lists.
That's almost.

(01:03:51):
That's no argument against the6 million.
There's many better arguments.
Or there is.
People do trivialize it and comeout with weak arguments against
it and they use forgeddocuments which go all over X
forged documents to debunk theHolocaust.
No, no, go to someone likeGemma Rudolph and the Holocaust
Handbook series or Colin Metognoreally rigorous, scientific,

(01:04:16):
historical analysis of the factspresented very clearly, and it
takes a while to get your headaround it.
It's not easy reading, but thenyou have to admit that thing it
didn't happen.
So what is this world where welive in, where Keir Starmer,
british Prime Minister, issaying we need a Holocaust
museum in England and all kidsneed to be taught about the
Holocaust in school, even ifthey've opted out the national

(01:04:38):
curriculum.
It's mental.
We're not even learning our ownhistory and we have this fake
history.
And the scary thing I wassaying about the Hebrews wanting
to go back to slavery in Egyptwhen you admit it didn't happen.
It kind of fits in with the USS.
Liberty and 9-11 was the Jews.
Covid was the Jews.
The Reformation was the Jews.

(01:04:59):
Oliver Cromwell couldn't havehappened without the Jews.
Great Britain is a Jewishconstruct.
England and Wales is something.
Scotland is something.
Ireland is something.
They're all awesome on theirown as a Catholic nation.
Stick them all together.
It was a banker's scam.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
And it involved genocide against the Irish.
I think it's really interestingthat we're even at a point
where these conversations areactually happening now.
There was a time where theseconversations couldn't even
happen.
Yeah, it was just impossible.
You couldn't even have thisconversation and talk about it,
and I think it's significantthat it's almost like god is
allowing the narrative to bebroken up a bit in in in places.

(01:05:43):
So you see, the narrative isfalling apart on them,
especially with the youngergeneration, and it's just
interesting to me that I was soresistant to it as well.
And then I just I think COVIDwas so significant because once
I saw the amount of lies theytried to tell us, it was just so

(01:06:07):
obvious that I was like man, Ireally do need to question all
of these things.
You can't just take it on theirauthority because they said
this happened.
There's so much to even Catholicschools, what they teach.
Now, after this period, we'reno longer teaching our children

(01:06:30):
Christian history of how Christconquers the nations and all
nations worship Christ the Kingthrough the defeat of paganism
and all these things.
You don't teach them any ofthat.
My wife went to Catholic school.
She was a Lutheran girl.
They never even told her shecouldn't receive communion there
.
She was going to mass andreceiving communion as a
Lutheran and she never evenheard once that she couldn't

(01:06:50):
receive.
Her theology class was mixed inwith all the other religions.
It was no different at aCatholic school one of the top
Catholic schools on Long Islandfrom your average public school
when it comes to this stuff.
So the narrative machine isbreaking down and I think it's
important that theseconversations are had.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Yeah, but we've got to do it now and get to the
traditional Holy Week now,because this won't last.
The enemy is so evil anddesperate they will shut
anything down.
They need the internet tobrainwash the world and to lure
them into consumerism andeverything and brainwash them
with the narrative.
But when they realize they'vejust totally lost control, they

(01:07:31):
will shut it all down.
And the place you will gettruth then is with those that
you go to mass, with the peopleyou meet before and after mass
and from Jesus Christ in themass.
But you're not gonna pick thatup overnight.
You need to practice now, whileGod gives us time, while
there's still light before it isnight.
And if you have, then a strong,you're part of a strong

(01:07:54):
Catholic network where you canrely on people face to face.
Then the collapse of theinternet is not going to be the
end of your life, it's not goingto be panic and you're not
going to be tempted to steal andloot and murder in order to
live.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
You see that happening.
You see the collapse of theinternet coming.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yes, it could.
But you know, I think thiswhole thing as well about the
apocalypse if we take thatcarnal reading of the Old
Testament and then the NewTestament and we think it's
going to be this catastrophicsense of natural disasters, wars
and famines.
Yes, they could all happen, butit's more of interest.

(01:08:35):
There are spiritual plagues,like heresy.
There's a spiritual famine whenyou can't receive the Holy
Eucharist because of COVID, say,and the Pope sending the signal
to close down churches, bishopsordering their churches to be
closed.
That's the famine.
Yeah, Not bread, Although breadis bad enough if people are
starving.

(01:08:55):
That's terrible.
It's infinitely worse when theHoly Eucharist is not made
available, when the HolyEucharist is not made available.
So this, I think, is happeningnow, this distortion of the
Catholic life around the worldand even in the Vatican.

(01:09:16):
Mccarrick, did he die today oryesterday?

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yesterday, I think Thursday, actually Thursday he
passed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
And no civil trial or justice from the church,
nothing.
It's outrageous.
That's truly demonic, reallydemonic.
The second most evil thing inthe world, I think, after
profanation of the BlessedSacrament, is child abuse from a
priest.
Oh yeah, who has this positionof authority to get the trust of
a child and does the most evilthing?

(01:09:42):
So this is worse than whateverwe can read in the apocalypse.
That this is happening, thestate of the church, that the
bishops tolerate that, oh forsure.
So who knows how it's going togo?
That's why I say like prison,just one day at a time, and now
I'm suspended.
You brought up my old order.
I don't name them because Idon't want them to get a hard

(01:10:05):
time from anyone.
They're awesome.
When I got to seminary there, Idiscovered a whole new Catholic
world when I'd been like 10years thinking I was finding
everything Catholic I could.
It took me time and then I getthere and just vespers.
I hardly knew about Vespers I'dbeen a few times in monasteries

(01:10:26):
but it's such a priority in thelife of the seminary.
You will be there every singleday for Vespers, at 5 or 5.30,
depending if it's a feast or notand you're giving half an hour
to it or more, and at first youthink it's beautiful, it's

(01:10:49):
interesting, and then you wonder, like, don't we need to use our
time for other things, study orwhatever?
No, this is life.
The divine office is life.
That's what everything else isfor the mass and the office.
So why would you surrender thatfor anything?

(01:11:11):
And that was my view during theCOVID thing why would we
surrender the Easter liturgiesfor anything?
There's nothing on earth that'sworth surrendering them for,
then it's over.
There's nothing on earth that'sworth defending them for, then
it's over.
But I think Our Lady is goingto bring about a restoration so

(01:11:32):
marvelous.
We're all going to beastonished, never mind people's
mouths hanging open when theysee the banking collapse and
Babylon fall.
The restoration is going to beso good.
There has to be this victory inhistory, I think so that in
heaven for all eternity.
The saints.
We're not kind of looking backon history saying, well, we had
all these awesome saints for2,000 years after Christ and

(01:11:53):
then the last generation.
They really dropped the balland it all ended messy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
That's actually really true, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
It's going to be fantastic.
The last generation is going tomake sense of the lives of all
previous generations, who willonly then understand why they
did what they did.
Why was it worth St Stephendying just to explain the Torah
and the prophets and thewritings, which was what he did,
and then his own death.

(01:12:21):
It will make perfect sense withthe last generation when
everything comes together andeveryone then was so happy, why
they went to mass, why theyprayed the rosary, why they had
so many children that they had,why they helped their neighbor.
They'll understand in the end,because it's going to be like

(01:12:43):
down to the line In a way.
You could think if one personin all history who gets to
heaven didn't do what they didin their life, it would unravel
at the end and that theAntichrist wins.
Now, if God plays it like that,there's no way God can lose.
But if that's how it actuallyturns out, everyone's just going

(01:13:04):
to be so amazed, first of allat what God let them do with
their life.
No-transcript.
I've given an analogy before.
If you're trying to raise amillion bucks and someone gives
800,000 and then 10 people give10,000 and you think, oh, this
is going to be easy.
But the next donors give lessand less and less to people
giving a cent, half a cent, adigital fraction, and then you

(01:13:27):
just reach the target with thelast possible donor, one million
.
You made it.
Every single person whocontributed was essential to
reaching the target, althoughsome, every single person who
contributed was essential toreaching the target, although
some, like Our Lady and theApostles, gave a lot more than
the rest of us, but everyone wasneeded.
That's how we're going to vieweach other in heaven.
That history was a victory andthe Jews will play a very

(01:13:50):
interesting role because theywill know the Antichrist better
than anyone else, becausethey've been paving his way for
2,000 years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
They know his secrets , they will get betrayed by him
and they'll kick his ass becausethey're going to at first want
him seeing him as their messiah,and then he will turn on them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
He will get, let's say, the temple rebuilt, whether
physically, with stone, injerusalem, or it has a special
significance, and until then,the jews will support him
because they think they're goingto have the sacrifice of moses
the lamb, the paschal lambcutting its throat, all this.
He won't allow that, though.
Once the temple is built, he'llsay this is my seat for a

(01:14:31):
global religion, one worldreligion, and we're not going to
kill bunny rabbits or sorry,they never did lambs or goats or
anything.
We're going to do this my way.
You're going to bow down to me,and then the jews.
This is a possible reading fromthe fathers.
I don't know what's going tohappen, but then the jews will
be like this is not what wesigned up for.
We actually wanted to the bestof them.

(01:14:52):
We wanted to try to implementthe torah physically, and they
will realize that the Torah hasbeen fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
The Catholic mass is thekeeping of all the commandments
of the Torah.
That's the sacrifice they wantthe altar, the priesthood, but I
don't know how the timescalecan possibly work.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, yeah, of course .
I mean I don't even think weshould try to.
I'm really glad you said thisbecause, no, no matter what,
there's going to be a gloriousrestoration of the show.
Now we don't know what thatwill look like at all, but there
will be a restoration andthere's always that hope for us

(01:15:29):
as christians, like we alwayshave that hope that like, no
matter how bad it gets, it'sgoing to look completely lost
and God is going to do somethingdramatic and he's going to do
it through our lady and it'sgoing to.
It's it's going to be aglorious restoration.
And yeah, like we wonder whereare the Padre Pio's of our time

(01:15:51):
and stuff?
But a lot of the saints areprobably hidden right now.
They're not on the, they're not.
You know, I'd imagine a lot ofthe saints are just those people
living out their vocation theway God intended, and maybe we
can't see it right now, but I'msure that God is forming saints
right now.
Oh yeah, man, do we havequestions from the audience, rob

(01:16:15):
?
Does anybody want to askanything before we go to another
subject?
Do?

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
you have a time limit father.
I'm kind of flexible.
I've got to try and get thatvideo on the Good Friday Prayer
out tonight so some people couldsee it before Passion Sunday
maybe, and it gives them achance to discuss it.
It's quite.
It's about not genuflecting onGood Friday and the prayer for
the Jews not receiving HolyCommunion on Good Friday.
That's really important andpeople don't have a clue about

(01:16:43):
this.
Even traditional masses saydistribute communion.
It's a disaster.
This is the one day of the yearwhen mass is absolutely
forbidden.
Even on Holy Saturday you usedto be able to anticipate Easter
mass.
You know.
Good Friday, no Mass.
And in the beginning I thinkpeople did receive Holy
Communion.
The Galatian Sacramentaryindicates that, but by 1000, no.

(01:17:08):
St Thomas explains that throughthe Mass and the sacraments you
are united with the HolySacrament of Calvary.
But you understand, it's a signof that and it's a real sign,
because God's signs are real.
But on Good Friday he says weremember the passion as it was
actually accomplished.
So you don't have the sign.
Then the body and blood there'sno precious blood consecrated

(01:17:30):
on Good Friday.
They used to in the pastreserve it on the Holy Thursday
as well, the blood, but becauseof the danger of spillage.
They ceased doing that.
And then there's thisrealization okay, people
shouldn't come to receive HolyCommunion on Good Friday,
because we're meant to be moredirectly in, mentally at least,
connecting ourselves with thepassion.

(01:17:51):
And you kneel down, kiss thecross.
There is your adoration andyour realization of your
sinfulness and jesus redeemingyou.
And to deny yourself that dayof all days, don't say you love
jesus so much you're going toreceive holy communion.
That's not love, that'sself-centered.

(01:18:11):
You know jesus needs me or Ineed jesus.
You need the true jesus thatyou need to understand the
passion that god died for you.
And so, good friday, don't goto holy communion and you'll set
an example for other people andthey'll say why, and you won't
be able to explain it.
I try and explain it and peopledon't get it on.
You know they say what saintthomas explained it.

(01:18:32):
I think he said because that'sthe day it's really accomplished
, um, and that's why not togenuflect in the good friday
prayer for the jews.
So I want to finish that videotoday, so that's my time anyway
okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
So also, uh, with the palm sunday liturgy um I I saw
an interaction between you andnovus ordo watch um, you were
talking about genuflecting at acertain point in the liturgy um.
And then I also want to ask youabout, in the Novus Ordo Palm
Sunday, when the whole parishsays crucify him, crucify him,

(01:19:05):
what, what, what was what isthat?
What is that about?
Like cause, I wasn't, I wasn't,I wasn't sure if I was
following you completely, butyou said this was this, wasn't
just um, like this was this tooktime and, uh, with a certain
point, that we genuflect, thatright, that's on the good friday
.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Okay, and that's in the video I hope to put out
tonight.
They'll say exactly when andwhy and where it came from the
amici israel in 1926, asking fora genuflection to be inserted
and the word perfidious to betaken out.
And 1928, the church crushed it.
Marco Salas was a papaltheologian.
He said no way.
Nicul essa innovandum, nothingshould be changed here and it

(01:19:46):
cannot be changed.
It's a thousand years old, thiscustom of not genuflecting
because we don't want toparticipate in the mockery of
Jesus.
And Don Prosper Grangerexplains we pray for the
descendants of those whocrucified Christ, no problem
praying for them and theirconversion, but we shrink from
participating in the act wherebythey mocked him.
The Jews manipulated the Romansoldiers into bowing down to

(01:20:08):
Jesus saying Ave hail, King ofthe Jews, and with the purple
cloak, the crown of thorns,mocking him.
That came from the Jews.
That's why we don't genuflecton Goffredi.
That's how the church has seenit for more than a thousand
years.
Why the hell would, in 1955,Pius XII say we're going to
insert a genuflection here.
And in 1959, John XXIII, we'retaking out the word perfidious,

(01:20:32):
which the Amici Israel asked forformally in 1928.
And then, after marco salasexplained no, the holy office
investigated and cardinal marydeval said absolutely not, we
can't change this.
This is a jewish track.
The jewish are subverting thewhole church through this.
And pious the 11th was evenstronger than the recommendation
from the holy office and saidnot only are we going to reject

(01:20:56):
this request and make theremoval of the request, we have
to assert it cannot be asked foragain and it cannot be done.
And yet, 20, 30 years later, itwas done.
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Because the Holocaust .

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Yeah, between 1928 and 1955, the Holocaust and
specifically Jules Isaac goingto meet with the Pope saying
this is the reason the church isanti-Semitic.
The church caused theatmosphere wherein the Holocaust
was possible.
So that's why we changed ourliturgy.
And if you stand for thatprayer on Good Friday, you're
not being disobedient.

(01:21:33):
The rubrics are not for you,the rubrics are for the priest
and the deacon.
The deacon says flex Thomas,going to bend the knee.
You do in the pew what you needto do to pray best.
And what you need to pray bestis to stand and say I'm not
sharing the mockery of Jesus.
That's it.
I'm not going to judge anyoneelse or bully anyone else.
That's why I will not kneel.
And the after years, whenpeople build up the priest will

(01:21:55):
realize this.
What's going on.
He'll have to get the truth.
The bishops have to get thetruth and finally we restore the
.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
This is why what you're talking about is very
important.
It's because you cannotseparate the Holocaust from the
council, from these changes,from the liturgical changes.
They are all very tightlyconnected.
So all of the conversationsthat Trad's had about Vatican II

(01:22:24):
and what's problematic here andthe you know the, the changes
in the liturgy and stuff, all ofthem really do stem back to the
Holocaust.
Like it's, there's no way toseparate those things.
It's something happens inreality at that.
It's the same thing with paulvi taking off.
The papal tiara also isconnected to that event yeah,

(01:22:46):
and even immigration, thedestroying of sovereignty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
They started with germany.
Germany's not fit to run itself, they lied, needs to be run by
international body jews.
Then we need the european unionsimilar.
Dissolve national sovereigntyand then flood nations with
foreigners and apparently givethem voting rights so we lose
this concept of foreign and ofidentity, so that the jews can

(01:23:09):
control all.
But the holocaust is jesus onthe cross right, he is the
holocaust and jews are literallysaying that the fake holocaust
of world war ii is the biggestcrime in history.
No, it's not.
The crucifixion is the biggestcrime.
Yeah, that was truly a wholeburnt offering, the whole of

(01:23:30):
jesus consumed by death, goingdown to hell and conquering hell
, and truly offered to God theFather, whereas with the fake
one it wasn't a whole offering,because I think one, one and a
half million Jews died in WorldWar II.
By no means were they allkilled by the Nazis.

(01:23:51):
A lot of them was the fault ofthe Allies, but a lot was Nazi
brutality, german, germanbrutality, but it wasn't like a
plan from hitler, um, in anycase, it wasn't whole, wasn't a
burn offering.
This crematory in auschwitz,because you have a high water
table you can't bury the sickand the dead from typhus in

(01:24:13):
graves because the the ditchesfill up with water straight away
, so they had crematoria.
They're burning the bodies ofpeople who've died in prison
from illness and it's prettyhorrible.
If you were sent to auschwitz,they would sometimes, in 1942, I
think in the middle of the yearlosing 500 people a day.
It was a day or a month.

(01:24:34):
That makes a big difference,doesn't it?
Um, it was horrific, basically.
So when you get off the trainand the carpo say to you see
those chimneys that smoke,that's the only way out of here.
You're going up there.
I don't understand why aprisoner would make a joke like
that.
I understand that really youneed to dark humor in a in a
confined prison, but it'sstatistical rubbish.

(01:24:56):
It's just that there was ahorrific amount of death and so
the story spreads that these aredeath camps.
You're sent here to die andyou're going to go up the
chimney so you get to have aburnt offering.
But what's that got to do withgas chambers, the burning?
And then it's not offered toGod?
The Holocaust didn't happen andit wasn't offered to God.

(01:25:16):
What did happen was engineeredby Satan, where he is causing
war and causing this tension,this hatred.
So there was a level ofbrutality.
But the prison camps of theGermans are completely
misrepresented.
They have orders, you knowwhere.
If you, they're trying to givethe prisoners the best possible
food so that they have stronglaborers for their armaments

(01:25:38):
industry.
And if a german soldier was tobeat a prisoner without cause,
he can be court martial for that.
Any german soldier who raped awoman could be put in a
punishment battalion or shot,like the german army.
We talk about them being superdisciplined and then you have
all these stories about themgoing mad and savage with batons
and torture devices and goingwild.

(01:26:00):
It just doesn't fit together.
How did they seem to conquerEurope for a couple of years?
They were militarily veryswitched on and disciplined.
You can't do that by being arabble of torturous savages.
It's not going to work, anyway.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
All right, rob, you got a couple of questions,
because I don't want to keepfollowing you too long.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
One was already answered, but we do have one
good one here.
What does Father Maudsley thinkof St Maximilian Kolbe?
How does his story fit in?
I see his name brought up a lotfrom Catholic Zionists.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
It is brought up a lot and I don't understand it.
So I put out videos explainingwhy there's no gas chambers in
Auschwitz and make all thedifferent arguments and people
say, but Father, what aboutMaximilian Kolbe?
I'm like, well, what about him?
He's a saint, he led a veryholy life, his awesome writings
about Our Lady and then, as faras I believe, he laid down his

(01:26:58):
life for another man, wonderful.
What is strange is the idea ofgoing into a bunker for 10, 12
days, a starvation bunker.
I must admit that everythingI've read about Auschwitz I
can't reconcile that.
But I'm willing to believe thatthe church's research until
there have been political, uh,canonization processes.

(01:27:20):
You guys might have beentalking about that recently.
Yeah, we did with carlo acougas.
Was this one of them?
How thorough a hundred yearsago the research for a saint
into their life would be so welldocumented.
You could leave the act, readthe acts of the case, and it's
really historically reliable.
So I don't know for StMaximilian Colby how accurate

(01:27:43):
those stories are, the rest ofhis last of his days.
They're nothing to do with thegas chamber, though.
That's my point, and I believeSt Maximilian Colby is a holy
man because of his writings andhis life and I always believed
the story we were given.
Until now I think, hmm, maybesomething doesn't add up there,
but I still am willing tobelieve he's a saint in heaven.
But the thing is his story hasno bearing on gas chambers.

(01:28:05):
Neither does St Edith Stein.
People ask about her.
Oh, she was gassed in Auschwitz.
She wasn't gassed in Auschwitz.
How dare somebody say that?
Tell me on what date was shegassed?
Or where was she gassed, orwith what gas was she gassed?
You try and answer that aboutanyone and it all falls apart.
And you're making this most evilcalumny against the Germans,

(01:28:27):
diabolically evil thing toaccuse them of doing.
And everyone scratches theirhead about it.
The Germans say we didn't knowit was happening, we didn't know
it was happening.
And the Jews accuse them.
Them, you know, you allowed it.
And the jews then accusedengland and america you knew
about the holocaust and you werelike, and we were like, well,
we didn't know.
And then they accused pope piusXII oh, you knew about it in

(01:28:48):
1942 and you didn't do anything.
The thing is, and the jewsthemselves, some of them commit
suicide because they can't gettheir head around this story of
how you can gas millions ofpeople, or gas 2 million and
shoot 2 million and starve 2million.
It's impossible to understandbecause it never happened.
It's a diabolical lie to makeus all go mad and, as they say,

(01:29:09):
to say God died in Auschwitz.
That's the aim to kill God, tokill the idea of God in our
heart, to kill god, to kill theidea of god in our heart.
Because if auschwitz were true,you might possibly although I'd
never go this far you might sayI quit, I quit.
I don't believe there'sgoodness in mankind, there's
sense in history, especiallychristians.

(01:29:29):
Yes, yeah, it just messes upthe whole of it that I dropped
out of university halfwaythrough.
I was doing very well, but Ithought I can't do this.
Get a degree to get a job, toget a mortgage, to get a better
job on the conveyor belt.
I need to understand how comeI'm reading about the

(01:29:49):
liquidation of the kulaks or thekilling fields or the Holocaust
.
I need to understand this andthen get myself in prison in
Burma because I was too scaredto go to Congo, afghanistan or
North Korea.
Well, that's my prudence.
If I went there, I would havedied or fallen apart
psychologically.
The Burmese are awesome.
They're civilized people,beautiful people, so that even
under an awful regime, amurderous regime, I thought

(01:30:12):
there's a way of dealing withthis, of dealing with each other
.
And after a long back then Ithought there's a way of dealing
with this, of dealing with eachother.
And after a long back then Ithought the answer was I'm
looking for the answer to eviland instead, thanks be to God,
jesus Christ turns myself fromhell to heaven.
And I thought for a long timethat's the answer to evil.
Jesus is the truth.
Don't worry about evil, dealwith him.

(01:30:34):
And then evil makes, makes itjust easy to overcome.
And now I'm thinking no, theevil is the lie of the Holocaust
which is sending people nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Especially the German people Like you see what
Germany is like, and thosepeople are just in ang have to
their.
Their penance for this atrocityis they have to support the
state of israel, no matter what.
And you, just you see a peoplewho have just I mean, you think

(01:31:07):
it's hard for us to have thisconversation.
They can't even legally have it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
It really is a crazy situation yeah, the politicians
are the worst, like you have onesaying it's true that um,
israelis have raped palestiniansand that hamas have raped
israelis, although I I don'tknow of cases of hamas doing it.
I can believe it, of course,but I don't think it's a general

(01:31:34):
thing with hamas.
They're not into rape, theythey.
They have a purpose.
But this german politician issaying when the israeli does it,
it's more humane.
What you rape someone or rapethem in war right now, it's
bestial, it's evil.
You don't say the israelis doit in a more, it's more humane.

(01:31:56):
Just because she can't criticizeJews, she's a German, she's
media figure or politician.
She cannot publicly criticizethe Jews and end up saying
something that crazy.
Like they are the, the Germanpeople are fine.
You know, I've lived there 10years.
I was born in Germany.
Funnily enough, um, I don'tremember it, but then for

(01:32:18):
seminary was in germany and thenI was in cologne as a priest.
So I'm german's just normalpeople.
Yeah, politically though, thatcountry is broken yeah, oh man,
um, so do um.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
How about a couple of uh okay, besides the pre 55
Holy week, do you have uh, uh,any other traditional devotions
you would recommend the lady umdo?

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Well, I'd always say first five Saturdays with
devotions Um, that's just thebusiness, we absolutely have to
do it.
And then there's so much goodcomes out of it you get, because
there's a lot of Catholics whoeither don't pray the rosary or
don't know how, or don't haverosary beads right, or they've
not been to confession for solong.

(01:33:08):
Simply by doing the first fivedevotions, you're getting into
the routine of mental prayer,with the 15-minute meditation,
of vocal prayer, with yourrosary, of the sacraments
because you go into confessionand then to receive Holy
Communion, which you have in theright order and then of
understanding.
You're doing this in reparationfor the sins against the

(01:33:29):
Immaculate Heart of Mary, whichis a very strange line to
non-practicing Catholics or nonnon-catholics.
It's a very bizarre concept.
So you, we need to understandwhat is reality really about it?
You know, all we weredistracted with, like our lady's

(01:33:50):
immaculate heart, is thisphenomenal reality, second only
to the sacred heart, and it'svery real to all of us now that
Our Lady loves us as a mother.
How are we treating her heart?
And just to meditate on thatonce a month, it means you learn

(01:34:10):
to do these practices, learn toface the bigger realities.
That thought alone it shouldchange your whole life, right,
how you live.
And so first and people say,what's the first five saturdays?
Look it up, go to the website,just google it, and the first
couple of websites might be weak.
Do what you can and then you'llfind a stronger one and you'll

(01:34:33):
talk to other people who aredoing it because you meet them
at church, whatever and then youlearn more.
So, pre-55 holy week and,please god, all the whole pre-55
missile, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
First, back saturdays um, what you had said, um,
something.
Sunday, oh sunday vespers.
You had said something.
I think I was in a conversationwith somebody on Twitter about
something and they accused me ofbeing afraid to talk about the
topic and you said you had showna gentleness about and you

(01:35:15):
showed just an empathy towardspeople who are afraid to speak
about this topic.
It's like it is a very scarything to talk about because,
especially if you have childrenand you're worried about
providing an income for yourfamily and stuff, and you would
just like just be patient withpeople who are at least coming
to start to think about thisstuff and just like cause I see

(01:35:44):
it a lot in, especially online,where we're very harsh with
people who don't see things theway we do.
You know what it was like.
It's like even especially whenRob and I were supposed to give
a talk in North Carolina and wehad this lunatic coming after us
accusing us of anti-Semitismand all this stuff, and at first
I was like, oh, I don't want tobe accused of this, and then I
kind of just got to a pointwhere I'm like I don't care what

(01:36:05):
this guy says about me, but itis a slow thing to come around
to and there's a hesitancy tospeak about it publicly.
Rob does have a job that he hasto be concerned with.
We do have families we have tobe concerned with.
So I think, just in general, bepatient with people as they're

(01:36:26):
coming around to thisconversation and realize the
theological significance of itand not always just about the
hyperbolic language around it isan important thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Yeah, I was it shemai , or son of shemai, throwing
stones at david as he wasleaving jerusalem.
And david's men say, should wekill this dog who's insulting
you and throwing stones at you?
And david says no, no, you know, maybe I deserve it for
whatever reason.
So the insults we get are likethose stones and, um, it is
right sometimes to correct them.
St Paul says if it's going tobe a scandal, then correct the

(01:36:58):
record, but otherwise let theinsults be thrown.
I think what people can do ifthey're not ready to assert too
much about the whole World WarII story and the Nazis stop
supporting the false narrativeby citing Hitler as the icon of

(01:37:19):
evil.
There's the devil and theAntichrist, the total evil,
nobody else.
And there's so much rubbishtalk about Hitler.
If you try and say one goodthing about him, like he didn't
want war or he sought peace withEngland, people then want to
say you're a Nazi.
You're a Nazi, but okay, whatwere the Nazis?
Just because I want to take anobjective look at them doesn't
mean I want to say you're a nazi.
You're a nazi, but okay, whatwere the nazis I'm?
Just because I want to take anobjective look at them doesn't

(01:37:40):
mean I want to sign up to thatparty.
I'm not interested, I'm notthat into politics.
But people support thenarrative by citing hitler or
the nazis as your examples ofevil, and that's so wrong he's
replaced the devil where it's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
You know when you want to say somebody is evil,
he's the next hitler, he's thenext hitler.
I mean, you saw what.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
That's how they attacked saddam hussein he's the
next hitler and gaddafi, andnow they do to putin and for
assad in syria.
They call them an asset ofdenial.
They call the hitler of theNile back in the 1950s.
Every time they label themHitler, and every single one of
us out there that uses Hitler asa byword for evil.
You are playing into theirnarrative to justify their

(01:38:27):
preemptive wars.
We've got to stop, and we'vegot to stop accusing people who
want to take an objective lookas if they're some kind of
fanatic politically, or the ideais that if you will say
anything objective or positive,like Hitler, therefore, you
approve genocide and you want tokill all the Jews.
This is so retarded.

(01:38:48):
You wouldn't say that aboutanybody else.
If you want to examineAlexander the Great or Napoleon,
I reckon if I read five bookson Napoleon, I could probably
find something good to say abouthim.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Over the last 50 years, all the scholarship on
Genghis Khan has been positive.
Right, he created this tradingsystem and there was
communication between East andWest and it's like, yeah, but he
also made mountains of skulls.
So if we can talk objectivelyabout Genghis Khan, why can we

(01:39:22):
not do so about Adolf Hitler?

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
And the leap from hearing someone mention his name
not in a complete condemnation,and to think therefore they
want to commit genocide againstthe Jews.
There's no connection.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
This is psychological trauma that has been given to
us over the past decade.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
It's psychological warfare.
Yeah, dagobah Runes wrote abook in, I think, the 70s or 80s
where he said the wayChristians have treated the Jews
, antisemitism is a sin againstthe Holy Ghost.
So that's like the thingThey've made Hitler into the
devil incarnate.
They have such a high opinionof themselves that they think

(01:40:05):
their enemy is the devil, yeah,and that they think to be
hostile to them is a sin againstthe Holy Ghost yeah.
And that's a Jew saying thatthey just didn't believe in the
Holy Ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
And that's a Jew saying that they just didn't
believe in the Holy Ghost.
I know they weaponized ourbeliefs against us.
I mean, you saw it with DarylCooper.
Daryl Cooper went on Tucker andhe's like I think what was it?
He said Chamberlain, no, no, no, not Chamberlain.
He said Churchill was the chiefvillain of World War II and
everybody lost their money.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
He's a Nazi.
He sold out to the Jews and gotso many British people killed
and wrecked our country, just toplease the Jews and for his own
personal reasons, to have power.
That's worse than anythingHitler did as a leader of a
nation.
What did Hitler do as a leader?
What's the job of a leader isto put their nation first.
Leader of a nation.
What did hitler do as a leader?
What's the job of a leader isto put their nation first.
America first, england first,russia first, whatever, iran

(01:41:01):
first.
Um, so that's what hitler did.
And he pulled his country outof this trap that world jury had
laid on it.
And he phenomenal in what hedid with the expulsion of the
jews.
I don't believe expulsion is agood idea.
I think it backfires for loadsof reasons.
You're postponing the problem,relocating it.

(01:41:23):
It's going to come and hiteveryone at the end of time.
The Jews don't forget.
They want revenge and they getit from anywhere.
You know that's what happenedto Spain.
They expelled the Jews.
Boy oh boy, those Jews thatwent to Holland and England got
their revenge on Spain, even totoday.
So with Germany in 1943, theystopped sending Jews out to

(01:41:43):
Soviet territories, so much theyrealized this isn't working.
They're supporting eitherpartisans there or getting
intelligence there.
It's not working and the warstend against us.
Any moment the Soviets aregoing to start advancing.
Then they start bringing theJews back west.
As the Soviets are advancing,it's like well, you shouldn't
have sent any of them anywherein the first place.

(01:42:04):
That's not why Jews are in yourcountry, so you can expel them.
There's been a thousandexpulsions in history I'll put
that up in the video tonight andthere've been some good
Catholics involved in thosedecrees and trying to do it in a
humane manner, a legal, orderedmanner.
I think back in the day it mademore sense.
You're just looking after yourlocality.

(01:42:25):
Now we're globalized, itdoesn't make sense anymore.
And especially not to send themto Israel.
That's a disaster.
That's the death of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Yeah, they see it as the fulfillment of prophecy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Yeah, but but if the reason you have Jews in your
country is so that you becomesaints, so that you protect this
community that wants tooverturn you and destroy you and
you fall for none of thatseductions with consumerism,
business banking or usury, andyou're loving your enemy,

(01:43:02):
basically which?
If you send the Jews out, Ithink you'll still have
financial sin, sexual sin,you'll still have war mongers,
but it's not going to come tothat apocalyptic level where God
does want to confront us allwith the absolute choice between
Christ or not Christ.

(01:43:22):
So if you can accommodate theJews without having them harmed
or hurt by anyone, withoutletting them harm your culture
or Christendom, by not lettingthem have any influence in
universities or banks or themedia or government, you have to
be really switched on as apeople.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Yeah, I think we're beyond that.
I think we're beyond that beingpossible in modernity.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Just in the expulsion .
There's no answer.
It's not going to work.
So St Benedict de Laveau wrotethis back in the 1100s Don't
expel the Jews.
Read Psalm 58.
Don't slay them, don't say themand don't even expel them.
It's not going to work.
We've got to reconcile with ourbrothers.
Expulsion isn't going to help,and not a naive reconciliation
where you've got your arms openall the time because they will

(01:44:13):
stab you in the belly.
So, like jacob went away for 20years, let esau calm down for
losing the birthright.
That's how mad the jews areabout losing the covenant and,
yeah, having it yeah, they havereally.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Look, we, we, we received the covenant from god.
I mean, it is the story of cainand abel god accepts our
sacrifice and rejects theirs.
I mean, that is the story ofCain and Abel.
It's like, and it really, yeah,it's just God has been telling

(01:44:46):
us this from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Cain was the first man to be born.
Abel was the first man to die.
It's also the longest to waitto get into heaven, because he
would have stopped there whenjesus opened heaven.
On the resurrection, anyone whodied, okay, unless unless
there's someone else who diedshortly after abel, who won't
get into heaven until the lastday, they'll have had a longer

(01:45:09):
wait.
Um, but to go back then, toadam and Jesus, the first Adam
and the new Adam, as this ideaof the younger and elder brother
, where Adam sinned against God,he's rebelled against the Son
of God.
Then Jesus comes.
We said at the beginning Rob,you said they die on the same

(01:45:29):
day, 25th March, in the sameplace, on Calvary, I'd say, or
the center of the garden wherethe tree is the tree of life.
Adam sin was taking the fruit.
Jesus gives the fruit.
His body is the fruit of thetree of the cross and Jesus
quotes Adam.
Did I say all this at thebeginning?

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
No, this was in the green room Talk about this now.
This was in the green roombefore the show.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
He quotes Adam on marriage.
Moses allows divorce, they said.
And Jesus said in the beginningit was not so, but a man shall
leave his mother and father andshall join to his wife and the
two shall be one flesh.
So he's giving the trueteaching on marriage when the
Pharisees have bent what Mosesallowed because they were giving
him a hard time then about it,as they have ever since, to get

(01:46:15):
divorce and everything like gaymarriage and everything else.
Um so jesus is approvinglyquoting from adam, who said
those words, and giving the trueteaching of creation, the
natural law, as being more priorand fundamental than any law
that's come from a man's mouth.
But and then the divine lawthat god put it there is more

(01:46:36):
than the dispensations orwhatever dispenses you get in
from the law of moses, whatever.
Um so, and then jesus's bloodtrickles down, reaches adam's
bones or skull.
Perhaps golgotha means and, andadam is then able to enter
heaven after easter sunday.
So j Jesus does this for hiselder brother who sinned against

(01:46:59):
him, had the enmity against thetruth of Christ, even without
knowing Christ directly, andthat's from the first person
created, adam, and God takes therole of the younger brother and
in all those pairs of brothers.
Through the Torah there's somany pairs with the younger,

(01:47:21):
even with Ephraim and Manassehand the blessing with Jake with
his hands crossed and Zara andTherese with coming out the womb
and sticking out a hand andeverything.
It's this younger brother.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
The entire old Testament is the story of the
birthright being passed to thesecond born.
It's littered throughout theOld Testament.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
It's definitely the whole Torah and it won't be
absent from the prophets andwritings.
But there's all the Torah,that's all about.
One anomaly is you literallyget this all through it.
But with Noah and his sons it'sGenesis 6 to 9, or it's very
hard to work out who's theeldest of Noah's three sons,

(01:48:07):
shem, maham and Japheth.
And if you Google it or askGrok, they all tell you the
rabbis say this that Shem wasthe eldest.
No, no, japheth was the eldest,um, and then they'll say shem,
and then ham, I think.
And they even.
But saint jerome saiddifferently, and even grock was

(01:48:27):
telling me oh, but saint jerometranslated the sceptre getting
this way, they've all gettingthis way.
So he agrees with the rabbis.
But I remember reading he was hedid not agree with the rabbis.
But it's impossible.
I think I've never managed toget to the bottom of who's the
eldest, who's the youngest there, but I'm sure it's going to fit
into this pattern of theyounger brother, yeah, which,

(01:48:48):
and the, the resentment againstthe nations who are represented
by japheth, um, that they shouldinherit um.
But note that japheth and Shemcooperated in covering up Noah.
So we do have this cooperationof the Semites with the nations
of the world for the dignity oftheir father, like you get from

(01:49:10):
Isaac and Ishmael and you getfrom Jacob and Esau and you get
from Joseph and all his brotherstaking their father's bones.
Um, yeah, it's, it's awesome,and so we remember what Jesus
did for Adam.
It's such a happy thought, like, and we're going to know all
about it in the next two weeks,again liturgically.

(01:49:32):
We we need to go armed with thatinto this confrontation that's
happening now with the Jews andaccusations of anti-Semitism.
And there's a whole lot of wetCatholics who are afraid to be
called anti-Semitic and they'repushing the Jewish propaganda.
There are some who are fallingaway, perhaps into taking on the
Jewish enmity.
They want to hurt, they want tokill, they want revenge.

(01:49:54):
Total mistake.
But see how Christ handles itand don't think there's a wimps
option.
It's not about being a doormat,it's not about being silent and
letting evil have its day, butyou need to be ready to give
your life and anything else,anything.
Your reputation is the next.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
I think that's the first one.
I think we all have to beprepared for your reputation.
I think that's going to be abig one.
You have to just be willing tobe mocked like Christ was.
You're going to be mocked andyou're going to be ridiculed.
But if you want to speak aboutsomething, that's true.

(01:50:33):
I don't know any other wayaround it.
Father, this was amazing.
Yeah, I think I'm lookingforward to your video tonight,
so I hope you do get that out intime.
And for everybody that got tosit in on this conversation I

(01:50:54):
think everybody benefited fromit, because there's no.
You're going to be speaking withCatholic Unscripted soon, and
Catherine and I speak a lot andshe's like I just see nothing
but love coming from this man.
So I don't understand whypeople are so upset by the
things he's saying.
He's saying everything sogently.
He's just going through stufflogically and trying to present

(01:51:17):
it in a way.
So I'm looking forward to thatconversation too, when you speak
with them.
But thank you very much.
Yeah, thank you very much forcoming on.
If you ever want to come onagain, I'm sure we will figure
something out soon again also.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
Well, I really enjoyed it and I appreciate it.
It's just a really goodatmosphere talking here that you
can just talk and have asensible exchange.
We're trying to figure thingsout.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Thank you, father, everybody.
We will see you guys on Tuesdaynight.
I don't even know what we'redoing Tuesday, but thank you
everybody for joining us.
Rob and I will figure out howwe're going to release stuff,
but Father may release thiswhole thing on however he wants.
We told him whatever he wantsto do.
That we're just.
I don't know.
I don't know what we're goingto do.
Maybe we'll.
We'll see if we can release itand we'll figure things out.

(01:52:03):
But thank you so much, father.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
All right Blessed passion.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
God bless, thank you.

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