The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth - with The Chivalry Guild - Guns 'N Rosaries Ep. 4 - Avoiding Babylon

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The middle children of history, man, no purpose or
place.
We have no great war, no greatdepression.
Our great war is a spiritualwar.
Hello everyone, welcome to what?

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Our fourth episode of Guns andRosaries here, adrian, third or
fourth, fourth, yeah, and man,besides that first one, we've
had three.
Well, yes, we've had our thirdrough episode in a row.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, not great, not fun topics here.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, a lot has happened since the last time we
had a show.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
The arena stuff come out that day of the last show
either that day or the daybefore, because that's why we
did situational awareness yes,yes, this is that.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
It was like over the weekend.
Yeah, yeah, so welcome y'all.
Uh, we've got george here fromchivalry guild on x.
I wanted to bring him on andit's unfortunately apropos,
based on what's happened overthe last few days, over the last
week.
But before we get into it, I'mgoing to have my little

(01:37):
monologue real quick.
I want to talk about some stuffthat has happened since, since
the Charlie Kirk stuff.
When, when the Charlie Kirkthing happened, I was on my way
to work and when I saw exactlywhat happened, when we all got

(02:04):
that angle that showed close upwhat happened, I knew you know
cause you know my experience asa paramedic I knew it as like
there's no way he's living.
And so when I, when I heardthat they're like, oh, he's
making it to the hospital, I waslike no, they're just saying
that so they can declare himhospital.
There's no way he survived that,and when I realized that, a lot

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of sorrow hit me.
Um, so mostly for his family,but in the back of my mind it
was also we just crossed aprecipice.
We can't come back from um.
We're entering into a time thatit is the America that I grew
up in, that I that I was raisedin, is no longer exists.

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We're in a time where our kidsare going to have a much harder
future than I had at their sameage.
Even though I thought you knowCharlie Kirk was very lame on
some topics, I don't think hisopinion was as developed as it

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needed to be.
He was still someone who hadsome very good logic behind what
he was doing and you could seethere was some development in
him from where he was in 2016 towhere he is as of last week and

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as I realized, you know what,where we were going and where I,
where.
We've seen these things happenbefore in third world countries.
You know I saw it firsthand inAfghanistan the amount of
political assassinations thathappened when I was there
Usually not by gunfire, it wasusually by some type of
explosive, but this is still ahard one to watch and I think

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where a lot of America has wokenup since then is to realize
that we have a lot of people outthere that just we cannot live
with.
Sam Hyde had a video come outtoday called this Is you, and I
don't know if any of y'all watchSam Hyde, but I don't watch him
very regularly, butoccasionally I'll watch him and
the first five minutes of hisvideo today.
If you don't watch anythingelse, watch about the first five
or 10 minutes minutes of hisvideo today.
If you don't watch anythingelse, watch it about the first
five or 10 minutes.
It is very prescient of wherewe're at.
The title of the video is thisIs you and basically what he's

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trying to get across is you know, charlie Kirk and Arena those
are us and there's a wholesegment of people out there that
do not care what you have tosay.
All they care is that if youdon't agree with them, you have
to be gone.
And last week we show up.
We saw what kind of ways thosethey're willing to do that.

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Um, a lot of us are going tohave to start transitioning our
thought process to being moreaccepting of.
Things are going to get worse,the violent.
This is the beginning of theviolence that we're all going to
see.
As long as we have a populationout there that has a 45 to 60%

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suicide rate and they feel as ifthey cannot live in a society
with us either, they're going tojust get more and more violent.
So we need to be aware thatthis is not the end of it.
This isn't going to stop nextweek.
It is just going to get worsefrom here.

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So another thing we have to beaware of is the people we're
seeing that are coming outagainst what happened.
We have to be aware of thepeople who are going to try and
stick to the swinging of thependulum like a barnacle Right.
They don't want to be caught upwith where their politics

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logically took them, so they'retrying to catch the swing of the
pendulum back, uh, so itdoesn't come against them.
And you're going to see themgrift, and you're going to see
them, uh, change their positionon things, um, and doing a hard
right on a lot of topics,because they have always gone
along to get along, and so theyare going.

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You're going to see people cometo the right and I use that
word loosely who have never beenthere, have never been an ally,
who have never been a friend,who have never had any of the
same values and principles as wehave had, and they're going to
act like they've always had.
Okay, so you, we have to, as wedid last time, have your head on
a swivel, see what's going on.

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Um, and this is a time likewe've been talking about the
last few shows.
You have to be better tomorrowthan you are today.
You need to be finding littleways to make yourself better and
your family better every day,whether that's getting in better
physical shape, that's readingmore and stretching your mental

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muscles, that's getting on yourknees more and praying more,
providing more logistics foryour family in case hard times
come, like this morning.
I woke up and my power was outfor seven hours for no reason,
because I got hit a power poleacross the street from me, right
.
That made things a littledifficult today, starting on a

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Monday morning, right, but I wasprepared for that, because you
know how we live.
We're a little bit moreresilient, but we have to make
ourselves a little bit betterevery day.
You also have to make yourselfa little bit more dangerous,
more dangerous you have to beprepared to do violence to

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protect yourself and your familyand the innocent.
We are seeing now that it is nolonger acceptable to just always
walk away.
Sometimes you have to standyour ground and sometimes that
means accepting the consequencesthat comes with that.
And I'm going to finish thislast point or two Stop fed

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posting.
Be aware of what you're puttingon social media.
I know emotions ran high and alot of people are very scared
and concerned about where we'regoing.
Stop giving people a reason tolook harder at you.
Okay, with the way that AI isprogressing, it will not be long

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.
In fact, we saw it.
There's a.
Last week there was a Intelofficial that came out after the
, but it was between Arena andCharlie Kirk about AI scrubbing
the internet, constantlyscraping it, trying to find far
left and far right activityright and trying to predict

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violence is going to happen.
And the last point is I want tobring up before we get into our
guest here is get offline.
Stop spending so much time onthe internet and social media.
Go talk to people in meat spaceRight and start to develop
better relationships with peoplethat you can depend on.

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Start developing.
You know, in the Marines we hadfire teams which were four guys
.
Right, four guys were a fireteam.
You could depend on each other.
Every squad was dependent ofthree fire teams and a squad
leader.
Um, start to develop your fireteam three to four guys that you
can depend on that can be therein case you need them.

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Right, as we used to call them,our 3am friends, like a guy who
I can call at three o'clock inthe morning and no matter what,
he's going to answer that phone,he's going to, he's going to
help me and not ask questions.
Right, start to find those guys.
Develop those friendships.
And that means you have to giveup social equity too.
You have to give into thesepeople as much as you take.
Right, because the way we'regoing and the route we're going

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there, we just got off of thelocal country road and we're now
on the highway.
Things are going a whole lotfaster, um, and things.
When you're on the highway, youknow those wrecks can be a
whole lot more violent.
So just realize where we're atand start to take to heart, um,
a lot of things that we talkabout here, um, and and things

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that, especially, we're going totalk about with george um,
because having him on now is, uh, man, what better guess could
we have on at this time?
Um, so I want to introducegeorge.
George is from the chivalryguild.
Uh, on x he puts out phenomenalcontent.
Um, I've been talking to georgefor a little bit, uh, we've had

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some conversations for a while,um, and I think he has a lot to
give and a lot of knowledge toget us out of this rut of
thinking that we have to bepacifists and thinking that
Christianity is a old lady'sreligion.

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All right With that, george,welcome.
How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Hey, I'm good, Adrian .
Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Absolutely, you're the.
You were actually the firstguest I thought about I was like
when Rob and I have been we'regame planning this, uh the show,
and I was like, well, georgehas got to be first First guy.
You did say that I'm honored.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Absolutely Good.
How are things going for you?
You're up north aren't you.
Yeah, great Lakes area yeah,things are good.
Things are good.
Been working on a lot of thestuff that you were just talking
about a minute ago as far asreally building up loyalties
local loyalties as best I can,so that's going well.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Good.
So first of all, I told Rob heneeds to read your book.
Yeah, he did, and so I knowwhen you came out with the book,
I got it as soon as I could andI read it.

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And it took me about a day toread it because I just binged on
it for a little bit and Ithought your book was not that
it wasn't too scholarly thateven a dumb Marine like myself
could understand.
It wasn't too scholarly thateven a dumb Marine like myself
could understand it.
But, um, but it provided a lotof background and a lot of your
thoughts on um, you know wherewe went astray and where, where

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we came from.
Um, so if you could, would youmind, just kind of go over like
the the basis of your book and,um, where, where that that
background came from, that youwanted to, uh, really put that
out.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Uh, let's see where to start.
I was raised like very laxCatholic.
I was, uh, I was very soft alsogrowing up.
Um, I was very soft alsogrowing up.
Just, I mean, when I look backon my formative years I'm just,
I'm kind of aghast at how poorlyformed I was, both

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intellectually and spiritually.
And you know there were reallybig consequences of that.
When you fail to Let me statethis, the biggest problem as far
as I see it, russell Kirk's gotthis line humankind can endure

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anything except boredom.
I think that my years I'm oneof the older millennials, so my
formative years were just sosteeped in this post-Cold War
boredom of the 90s and theaughts and I was just very

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spiritually impoverished as aresult.
And I was Catholic out of habitand out of duty, but I
certainly didn't love thesissified teachings and I don't
know what happened Somehow.

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I found this essay by CS Lewis,the Necessity of Chivalry.
I found Joseph Pieper's writingon the cardinal virtues and it
was just absolutely wild to beexposed to a much more
invigorating part of ourtradition than I had ever known

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before.
And I you know not to sound tooconspiratorial, but I started
to think like, was thispurposefully withheld from me.
Why in the world was I not toldthis stuff?
Why was I given this maximallysissified version of the faith

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at the same time that I was justlike bored to death, put put
into this zombie-like trance wayof living?
Um, so, as I was discoveringthis stuff, it just, it just
became wild, and I guess my, myproject is is an attempt to

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share things that I wish I hadbeen told when I was younger,
things that would have made avery significant difference for
me.
The book, long story short,it's an introduction to chivalry
, an argument that this is anideal whose time has come again.

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It's built around the.
It's structured around the sixchivalric virtues of prowess,
courtesy, honor, generosity,loyalty and faith, and I explore
what those looked like for themen of the past and what it

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might look like for us today.
So, long story short, that'sthe vision for the book.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
So when I read CS Lewis' On Chivalry, or Necessity
of Chivalry, I'm sorry.
And so I run a men's group atour parish and that was one of
the first articles that we kindof discussed, Because I always
send out an article for us tokind of get the conversation
going and then, if you know, theconversation starts to get a

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little stagnant.
We can always come back to thearticle, but this, the second
paragraph, really grabs theattention.
I'm going to read it real quickfor those of you that haven't
read it.
The important thing about thisideal is, of course, the double
demand it makes on human nature.
The knight is a man of blood andiron, a man familiar with the

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sight of smashed faces and theragged stumps of lopped-off
limbs.
He is also a demurer, also amaiden-like guest in the hall, a
gentle, modest, unobtrusive man.
He is not a compromise or happymean between ferocity and
meekness.
He is fierce to the nth andmeek to the nth and meekness.

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He is fierce to the nth andmeek to the nth.
When Lancelot first heardhimself pronounce the best night
in the world, he wept as he hadbeen a child that had been
beaten.
So that gets me into the issuewith meekness right, because, as
you were saying, like thesissified faith we were all
raised in and I think there'svery few people, especially in
the chat, who wasn't given thatfacade of the faith, that hasn't

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heard what the currentdefinition of meekness is
Meekness is?
Well, you turn the other cheek,You're a pacifist, you don't do
anything, you let people justwalk all over you, because
that's what Christians are.
Christians are doormats, right.
You're not supposed to doanything because that's what
Jesus would do.
Right, and that's what we'retold growing up by a sister of

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suit pants, right.
So where did meekness?
Or let me say, let me ask itmore like this what is actually
meekness?
Well, what is meant whenmeekness is used in the sacred
scriptures and by cs lewis?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I think aquinas is the place to go here.
He he says very clearly thatmeekness is that virtue which I
believe his words are restrainsthe onslaught of anger and so
allows a man to be angry butstill exercise good judgment.

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Obviously and I just wrote anessay in praise of anger, Anger,
anger is not a bad thing.
We are so horribly confused,especially on what does Pieper
call these, the fundamental lifeenergies, desires, angers.

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These things are not bad things.
They simply need to be broughtunder the rule of good judgment.
So that is the purpose ofmeekness.

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To allow a man be so easily setoff by slick operators who know
how to manipulate you, lash outto all provocations.
That just means that you expendyour strength and your energy
on trifles rather than thethings that you need to direct

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them towards.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
The quote I always come back to and I can't
remember who said it, in fact, Ithink it's been attributed to
quite a few people is if you areunwilling to do violence to
protect those you love, you arenot a pacifist, you are harmless
, right.
And so let me ask you, based onthe events that's happened in

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the past week, how did theCharlie Kirk thing affect you,
and where do you and where doyou see yourself having to uh
practice meekness right and torestrain that anger, uh in in a
in a constructive manner?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
yeah, the kirk thing.
I had a similar initial view ofhim to the one you expressed a
couple minutes ago.
When he just came out on ontothe scene what would that have
been nine years ago or so?
Uh, he seemed like kind of anunserious normie con goofball

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and uh, I guess I never reallyreassessed him in light of the
fact that, to your point, hereally was moving in the right
direction and I also.
I also have to check myself heretoo, because I, like a lot of
us on the the dissident right,I've been too cynical about the

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project of actually talking topeople and still trying to
convince people.
Now, obviously, theestablishment right has made a
ridiculous idol of themarketplace of ideas.

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You don't reason with peoplewho are as far gone as so many
are.
But nevertheless, like CharlieKirk was doing real work and I
was I was kind of shocked tofind out that my cousin's 16

(22:17):
year old son was like devastated, was like devastated
16-year-old kid, you know,attending public schools and
otherwise living a very normallike suburban life.
His mom is, she's great, mycousin, but she's one of those,
you know, socially liberal,fiscally conservative types.

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So the fact that her son wasattached to Charlie Kirk.
Like that was when it really hitme that I have really sold this
guy short and obviously theoutpouring of sorrow and regret

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has been really powerful.
Sorrow and regret has beenreally powerful and um, yeah, so
, so anyways, um, rememberingthat there there is no bringing,
there, there is no talkingpeople out, reasoning people out

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of things that they were neverreasoned into, but at the same
time, we should carry on hisproject of at least trying to
carry on good discourse, andmaybe it's not even for the sake
of the people that we'rearguing with, but the people
that are hearing it.
I think those might be the oneswho are up for grabs a little

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bit more.
So, anyways, that's my thought.
This is going to sound bad, butI am really concerned that the
Irena story is pushed to theback burner as a result of the
obviously awful assassination.
Uh, as a result of theobviously awful like

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assassination.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Um, I just I wish we had a little bit more time to to
really digest that, becausethat also is, yeah, incredibly
powerful I think that the Idon't think that charlie kirk's
incident would have hit as hardif it wasn't for the arena, kind
of priming everybody for it,and the Annunciation shooting
too, and then the Annunciationshooting the week before that we

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can have.
So this has been a successionof issues.
And then you know, I don't knowif y'all saw the story, but
apparently two Muslims gotcaught trying to put a bomb on a
news truck at UVU the lastnight um what yeah?
as they're trying to go andthey're covering the story.

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So, like it's, we're not done,like this is gonna keep
happening.
But, like I, I know a lot ofguys are struggling with, like,
should I be angry at this?
Or like you know, what can I doabout this?
Right, and and what it what?
It comes down to me when I lookat it as, like, look, man,
you've got circles of influenceand you can only affect the

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circle of influence that you.
You can affect, right, likeyour family is your first circle
of influence.
Right, my kids you know, I'vegot kids, you know, from five to
12.
Right, and all they know is,hey, we're praying for a man
named Charlie Kirk and hisfamily in the rosary tonight.
He was killed, he was murdered.

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Because my kids know whatmurder means, because I make
sure they know that.
But also, like that's all youneed to know, know that.
But also, like that's all youneed to know.
Right, and they'll ask well,what, why they kill him?
Like, well, just know, likesome bad men wanted to hurt him
and and that's.
But that first circle ofinfluence is all I can affect.
Right, I can protect my family,I can provide for them, I can

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increase our prayer life.
Uh, we can even pray for theyoung man that caused the
killing and and his family,right, because imagine being a
father and having to turn inyour son after your son
committed a horrible atrocity.
Right, I can't imagine with afather.
You know the thought process togo through that.
But then, out from there, whatelse can I affect?

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I mean, I can talk to guys Iknow at the parish about it,
like some of my best friends andguys I know real well, but my
influence is starting to wane.
Right, there's not a lot I cando, right, I can't do anything,
but I still feel angry, right,and um, where do I direct that?
Right, so what do I do withthat?
That just that ball of angerthat's sitting in the pit of my

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stomach and it's got nowhere togo right, um, and I think you
know, with a lot of the workthat you've done, I think it's
helped a lot of guys realizethat there are channels for it,
like I see you post, you know,your, your pictures of your
heavy bag.
Right, I think if more guys hada heavy bag um, one, we have a a

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lot less fat people, but uh,two, um, we'd have a lot of guys
that understood how to properlyget out anger that they don't
know how else to do.
Um, it doesn't have to be aheavy bag, it would be.
You know, exercise, uh, youknow, go on a run or or whatever
you know.
Some way that is a healthyoutlet for that anger and being

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ready for the day that you mighthave to direct that anger
righteously at someone else toprotect your family or protect
someone else who's innocent.
And I think a lot of guys feelguilt about that.
They feel guilt about well, isthat right?
You know?
Well, you know we're told, youknow we're we're supposed to
turn the other cheek right.

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So what is your advice to guyslike that?
Where do they go to reallyunderstand where we have that
capability to direct it?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, so I should have said this when I mentioned
my essay on anger.
I should have said this when Imentioned my essay on anger,
that Aquinas also clarifies thatanger serves a very real
purpose.
I mean so, first of all, it's anatural response to injustice.

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So if you don't feel anger whenyou should, there's something
wrong with you and that's also asin.
He calls it an unreasonablepatience, and I mean I would
argue that that is a moredisordered sin than excess anger

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.
Excess anger is at leastunderstandable.
There's at least something towork with there.
The uh, the unreasonablepatients that Aquinas mentioned,
that's just a, a lack of spiritlike a, an internal deadness.
That is far more troubling tome.
I mean, not obviously anger cando great damage if it's, if

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it's in excess, but um it'salmost like a sort of acedia
yeah, yeah, it's very closelyrelated.
I would, I would very much agreewith that.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Our priest here, uh, one of the priests that I
regularly talk with, he he feelsthat acedia is the sin that
affects men today oh yeah, Iwould agree, you know, and in
fact, uh, I don't know if y'allread anything about jason craig,
but, um, he had, he had a talkon acedia with a uh, I think it

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was.
It was those guys instupidville, new polity, um, I
think, I think he was talkingabout a CDO with them and the
guilt system, whatever.
And if you've never listened toJason Craig or anything, he's a
phenomenal uh thinker.
Um, but, um, you know, it'salso known as the noonday devil.
It's that, it's that uh malaisethat you feel or that uh

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spiritual sloth yeah, and, andit could be physical sloth too,
but it's.
I think what affects us more isthe spiritual sloth, because we
live in a time now that you havethe capability to, uh, really
indulge in any sin that you want, right, with these little black
boxes we got in our hands,right, and not being willing to

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resist the temptation, right,and just kind of going along to
get along or maybe, like you've,you've created, you know, a
prayer routine for yourself andit's kind of lacking.
You're not really progressingRight, because if you're not, if
you're not growing or shrinkingright, whether it's in your
prayer life or physically inyour, in your, when you work out

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.
So you know, ascedia iseverything we have around us.
All the technology that makeslife easier just makes it a lot
harder to pull yourself out of.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Did you ever hear the Aquinas line about how that
sloth is?
He says something along thelines of it's not necessarily a
specific sin, as much as it isan occasion for all sins.
It's, uh, it's this lack ofspiritedness that kind of

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renders you unwilling orincapable of unwilling or
incapable of not sinning.
You kind of just sin as amatter of oh, what the hell Like
, why not?
Yeah, so that is the majorthing that we need to be on the

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lookout for Real quick.
Just to go back to Aquinas onanger, he says also that anger,
then, is for the purpose ofenergizing a response to the
injustice that you've witnessedand that has made you angry.

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So what shape that response isgoing to take is going to be
determined by prudence, and Ireally highly recommend to all
of your listeners to read JosephPieper's the Four Cardinal
Virtues, if you haven't,especially his reflections on
prudence.
They really are eye-opening andI mean, like I was saying

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earlier, the way all of thesevirtues have been diminished in
the modern mind applies no lessto prudence.
Prudence, we see, as you know,it's evasiveness, it's playing
it safe, it's caution or it'ssomething more like mere cunning

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.
But he, drawing on the writingsof Aquinas presents this really
invigorating case for prudenceas the virtue which helps you to
know what the good is and thenalso to identify how to bring it
about in the specificcircumstances before you.

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So that's not something that isgoing to.
There's not going to be aself-help manual that tells you
what prudence dictates in eachsituation.
This is about being a fullyalive human being and using your
brain and looking and payingattention to things and seeing

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the problems and opportunitiesas they arise.
And meekness just to tie thisbow up.
Meekness is the virtue thatallows prudence to reign supreme
and not get overwhelmed byanger.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I, um, I think a lot of us lack prudence
because we were one one.
We were never catechizedcorrectly, like you know, I I
went away from the faith for awhile and I came back about, I
don't know probably 10 years ago, a little over 10 years ago,
and I learned a lot of my.

(34:32):
Well, I'll say this I haverefined my prudence since I've
come back, Because prior to thatI made some horrible decisions.
I was just not a good humanbeing before I came back to the,
to the faith, and, uh, sincethen it's really become a

(34:53):
situation where I don't kind ofput this um, I don't know what
my left and right guardrails areright for a while, right, what
my left and right guardrails areright for a while, right until
I started reading the saints, orI started reading the, you know
the catechism, or I needed sometype of God to at least give me

(35:13):
an idea of okay, well, you knowwhat I'm allowed to do, what
can I do, or what is gooddecision.
Look like you know, and I thinkwhat that requires a little bit
as well is obedience.
First of all, because, you know, for me it came down to a
situation where I had tobasically say whatever the

(35:35):
church teaches, I'm going tofollow that no matter what, even
if I disagree with it.
Because I'm obviously ahorrible person and I've made
some horrible decisions andthose decisions have taken me
down the path that I didn't likeand I know that the reading the
lives of the saints is a muchbetter life that I want to be
attuned to.
So, for example, when I cameback to the faith, I lived in

(36:01):
Georgia at the time I had, youknow, I was going to a
non-denominational church and,uh, I had started, we I was
running a small group at thisprotestant church for veterans
and, as all protestants do, theyuh always want to, you know,
hearken back to the early churchand how the early church
operated.
And I was like, you know whatwe got?

(36:22):
We got to have something we canread from that.
First christians, you know howdo they operate, and so I'm so
I'm looking out for thesewritings and I started reading
this guy his name's, uh,polycarp, right.
And I started reading this otherguy, ignatius of antioch and
irenaeus, and I'm like, oh no,this is super catholic.
Like what do I do?
Uh, because if I were to choosea religion to follow, uh, it

(36:46):
would be islam, right, it wouldbe some type of hedonistic,
nihilistic uh, where I could dowhatever I want, which is where
we see guys like andrew tate doum, you'd be a pain.
We also see a lot of guys thatjoin eastern orthodoxy because
catholic catholicism is a littletoo hard.
Right, I want to be Catholic,but American Catholic, so I want

(37:07):
to be Eastern Orthodox.
Right, I don't have to dealwith the Pope, because you know,
we're in the United States, wasbuilt on non Servium, so you
know, I want to be able to in areligion that can do everything,
all the Catholic stuff does.
I just don't have to worryabout a president or a King,
right?
Um.
And so when I started groundingmyself, I was like, okay, well,
if the church teaches this, thenI have to follow it, even if I

(37:29):
don't like it.
Uh, because one I'm not, Ican't, I'm not smart enough to
reason my way around it either.
Um, but even if I could, Idon't know, I wouldn't, because
the men who put this, uh,because the men who put these
thoughts down were way smarterthan me and they lived much

(37:50):
harder lives than I do.
We live very comfortable livesnow.
I mean the amount of technologywe have to make our lives super
easy is unimaginable to anybody.
That was even 50 years ago.
But I had to refine my prudenceand my thought process and put

(38:14):
guardrails up for myself andthen be able to understand where
was there some leeway on somethings, where was the black and
white and where was the gray, aslong as I'm in line with what
the church thinks, uh, and thatwas a matter of me having to
base away, you know, basicallytear away my own foundation that
I had built up on straw,basically, and put down some

(38:37):
better foundation with somestone, uh, to prop myself up.
Because I was like a, I washaving to almost be like a child
, coming back into this andrealizing like I didn't know
what the hell I was doing and Ineeded, I needed some way of
putting those left and rightlateral limits on myself so I
could start to develop betterprudence.
And now, you know, I makepretty good decisions now, I

(39:01):
think, hopefully, if my wife iswatching, I hope I, I hope, hope
I.
Am you started?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
doing a podcast with me, so good luck there yeah, I
know.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
So maybe I don't have good prudence, maybe I don't
yeah, I like the point aboutobedience, at the very least
realizing that if there's thisteaching of the church that you
don't like, it is at leastincumbent upon you to understand
why that teaching is in placeand to look deeper into it than

(39:34):
to be ruled by that willfulnesswhich immediately is made
uncomfortable by this or thatteaching and then pushes it away
.
So, yeah, I would say that's agood exercise of it.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
So when you came back to the faith, I'm assuming do
you have access to Latin Masswhere you're at- we do about.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
It's about 50 minutes away.
Uh, we, we also have a very, avery based Novus Ordo mass from.
Uh, our, our pastor is a formerAnglican, um, so I attend the,
the based local Novus Ordo mass.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
And that is because it's closer.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, and it's because it's my community.
There's a really strong churchhere that I want to be a part of
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I think that's the opinion like Rob and I and
anthony have had is, look, Imean you go where you, where
you've got access, or you haveto do what's best for you and
your family.
So, like you'll never hear meever talk down to somebody
because they have to go to anovus ordo, right um, you know
our latin mass is about 45minutes away, but I also chose

(41:06):
to live this far out because Iwanted land Right.
So this is, this is part of thedecision making process.
But I also knew, you know, aslong as I'm about 45 minutes
away, that's that's as far as Iwant to go and we go to
everything.
But I also knew I've got a lotmore time commitment because I
have to drive farther for things.
I've got a lot more timecommitment because I'm at the
drive farther for things.
You know, as as most Latin massparishes are there, there's no

(41:31):
cluster to the community, rightit's.
They're spread out everywhere,you know, and ours is in
probably the most dangerous cityin Alabama and maybe in the
United States, you know, and itis not the most desirable place
to go, but we make it a purposeto go there just because it's

(41:53):
mostly because of the kids.
If it was just me and my wife,we probably would go well.
I don't want to even say thatnow.
When she first got back to thefaith, we probably may have gone
to a Novus Sordo and been finewith it if it was just us.
But now that we have kids, theissue is, um, you know, I don't.

(42:15):
I'm trying to create thatfoundation for my children, um,
and I can't afford theliturgical roulette that a Novus
Ordo gives.
Sure, like, once that priest isgone, the next priest that
comes in could be way worse.
Um, and how do I explain thatto the kids?
That now we have to move?
Because you know, father Bob upthere at the front, you know,

(42:37):
and his uh, sandals smell likepatchouli oil and doesn't say
the confetti or right, and tellseverybody that, um, you know,
love is love.
Um, while we have to now leave,right, and so I didn't want.
I wanted kids to have a stablefoundation for their, for their
life, and hopefully they have itbetter than I did.

(42:57):
Because I grew up and I saw theclown men's growing up.
I saw the priest dressed asSanta Claus during Christmas,
right, I've seen these horriblemasses growing up.
Um, and I don't want mychildren to ever have that and
thankfully the Latin massremoves that risk, but it just
requires some more timecommitment.
Um, you know, know, but forguys that you don't have access

(43:21):
to latin mass, go to the bestone you can right.
If you have a really goodcommunity like you it sounds
like you do it yours, george.
Um, you know, make it the bestyou can right, because hopefully
one day we will all have abetter mass.
Um, you know, and the diocese Ilive in we're pretty blessed

(43:45):
with we have actually somepretty good English Novus oral
masses, but it's not like thateverywhere.
I do a lot of traveling forwork and, um, I've seen some
really, really bad masses onwebsites that were supposed to
be telling me they were a goodmass, and I just see what the
average mass is out there and itis horrible, unfortunately, and

(44:12):
most people don't have thatoption.
So at your parish I'm assumingyou've, because you kind of hit
it on your X feed you've got apretty good community of men
built up there now.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah, definitely, um, fascinated to see where these
developments that you're talkingabout are going to take it.
I mean, yeah, it is.
It is, uh, a turn of roulette.
When you're strolling into a, anova sordo parish that you've

(44:49):
not been to as far, though, asthe, the younger, much more
devout priests that are rising,that is going to make things
fascinating.
I mean, I've been fascinated toto note the uh, you know, some
of the, some of the aging clergy.
I've got a, a great aunt who isa benedictine nun and she is

(45:12):
really unhappy with the, theorthodox turn of the new
generation of priests, and Imean, even in my parish, the
priest recently reinstituted theindividual kneelers for
receiving communion on, and hehad to beg the older members of

(45:40):
the parish to not make a stinkof this.
It's totally optional if youwant to kneel while receiving
the host.
He is not making people kne.
Going to be a boomer backlashtowards any kind of

(46:01):
reestablishment of tradition.
Fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
It's interesting to see the priests that are making
that business-like calculation,because these boomers are only
going to be around for maybe 10more years, right, and then that
income's gone.
And if you don't start cateringto the youth, you know and
youth is very loose in thisbecause this is really, you know

(46:31):
, I'm 44 years old, right, andso I'm considered young in a lot
of Novus Ordo parishes.
But if he doesn't start caringto me and my kind, right, he's
not going to have a parish toeven say mass at in front of
anybody.
He might do it at a personalaltar in a townhouse he has to

(46:51):
rent because his parish has gonebelly up.
But you know, the calculationthat some of these men are
making is look, you can't caterto these elderly anymore just
because they donate some money,because once they're gone and

(47:15):
you've basically catered every,you have a lot of, you know,
pastors over the last 15, 20years who have always catered to
them and have always, alwaysgiven the excuse well, you know,
when I'm a, when I'm a pastorsomewhere, then I'll make the
change, oh, well then.
If I'm a senior somewhere, wellthen I'll make the change,

(47:36):
right?
Oh, if I'm a bishop somewhere,then I'll make the change.
If you've habituated yourself toalways giving in, that you are
not going to grow a spine lateron in life, it's just not going
to happen.
You have gotten yourself into ahabit of always capitulating

(47:58):
for what may happen in thefuture and you no longer know
how to stand up for yourself orfor your parish.
You know, and I think, we'regoing to see a demographic cliff
here soon, here in my diocese.
You know it's, it's a, a lot ofthese parishes are blue hairs

(48:20):
and oxygen bottles and it's.
You know, in the next fiveyears I would not be surprised
if we didn't close 10 parishes.
I mean, hopefully it's not thatsoon.
Maybe it's 15 years and maybewe got some time to to kind of
return things back to, uh, uh, amore robust faith, uh, life,
faith, life in a lot of theseparishes.

(48:40):
But I just don't see it, man.
It's just the you.
They've pushed families out forso long.
There's no families that evenwant to come back to it yeah,
it's, uh.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I mean, you talk about exercising prudence, these
uh talk about exercisingprudence.
These uh, our, our failure todo that is going to have
tremendous consequences.
And you know, for a pastor likemine who's in that position of
having to as much back towardthe old way as he can without,

(49:20):
uh, totally alienating the, theolder crowd, that's, uh, it's a
tremendous task before him.
But but you're right,ultimately, uh, one has to have
a spine.
Courage informs, or courageprotects.
Prudence allows for theexercise of good judgment, so

(49:46):
that we are not overwhelmed byour fear, our cowardice.
All of those, all of thosevirtues work together
wonderfully, all of thosevirtues work together
wonderfully.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I know we only have a couple more minutes here before
you got to go, George.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I'm actually good to go a little bit longer if you
want to.
Awesome, I got him all psychedup.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
He's ready to go.
So, George, let me ask you.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
So our show is really about building community,
amongst men, to help themprepare for what's coming.
So without revealing where, youlive, do you?
Carry a firearm every day?
I do not.
No, we're Can you yes?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
What's stopping you?

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Can you?
Yes, what's stopping you?
I live in a really good smalltown.
Now to your point.
This is something that I needto take strides towards doing,
but at present I'm in one of thebest cities in America as far
as that goes.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Is it a homogenous community?
It is, yeah.
So I would enjoy the time thatyou have in that community now,
while you can.
But my piece of advice becauseI've lived in some really good

(51:26):
areas and I've lived in somereally bad areas that may be
something that you want to lookat right, or at least get
training with something.
Maybe you don't carry every day, but because that is a, it's a
perishable skill even for me.
I'm blessed I have land here Ican shoot on whenever I want,

(51:48):
but that's a recent developmentfor me, that's only over the
last few years.
Prior to that I had to get tothe range to be able to do it.
That was a hard task with threeinfants at home pretty much,
and then my wife working at thesame time.
You know is real hard to do andyou know shooting is a very
perishable skill.
If you don't shoot often youwill lose it, and so I would

(52:13):
encourage you to consider takingthat a little bit more
seriously, and I think you youknow, by your community it's
kind of made you a little lax,as it should, right, because
you're you're where we should be.
I shouldn't have to carry afirearm, right.
In fact, tomorrow I'm takingthe family on a trip tomorrow

(52:37):
that's about an hour and a halfaway, into a large city, and the
basis of me really going andtaking off the day of work is
because I don't like my wifebeing over there by herself with
the kids, right, and so I haveto be there to make sure that
they're okay.
You know, but that's not how weshould be living.

(52:58):
We should be living like youare, where you don't have to
worry about these things becauseyou live in a really good
community.
But those eventually go awayand as things are starting to
deteriorate and collapse, thatmay be a consideration for you
and I'd be happy to answer anyquestions you have.

(53:20):
If you have any, or if you'vegot a local guy that knows more
than me, you know, talk to himabout it.
But if you were to carry, whatwould you carry?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Here I would defer to you.
What should I be looking tocarry?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Biggest thing you can old.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
You're a pretty big guy, though, right, you're
decently tall I can handle.
Yeah, I can handle yeah, so, uh, yeah, I mean anything full
size would be good for you.
Um, you know I nice somethingreliable.
Yeah, bread is you can't goaround the bread.
No, um, okay oldest firearmmanufacturer in the world, and

(54:04):
they're catholic too really nonice yeah, you can't go around
the bread and do not listen toany veteran who tells you not to
get a bread because they gotthe bread.
That is about 30 years old andit was used to beat in tent
spikes and and other things,right, so you can't trust a
veteran with their Beretta.
Uh, being a veteran, right, Iknow I've had those horrible

(54:27):
Berettas and went on deploymentwith them.
Um, but buying, you know,berettas are a very good one.
Um, I've, I mean, I, I carryGlock sometimes.
Um, now, but I've transitionedto more of a single-action,
double-action pistol Justbecause I shoot really good with
it.
The trigger is so much betterin it I can hit a headshot from

(54:50):
50 yards away.
That's a skill I've had todevelop.
Um, so, with, with where youlive, in the community you live
in, um, what do you do, you andyour guys do y'all do any type
of martial arts boxing,wrestling, jujitsu?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
yeah, so we had this, this great based local gym,
independent gym, and it was awonderful place, but the music
just got out of control.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Like degenerate.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah, yeah, and you know it really hit me.
I guess I've been getting moresensitive to music because I've
gotten older, but you know thatmystical song about shake your
ass.
But watch yourself, um, thefirst line in that song, uh, you
might be familiar with this ornot, but the first line is I

(55:48):
came here with my dick in myhands and, uh, when I heard them
, like what the hell are wedoing?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
sounds like they were carrying a P320.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
So at that point my friends and I decided that we
were going to transition out ofthat gym and we built a really
really solid garage setup in mygarage and it's also.
So we've got a couple, we'vegot three squat racks actually,
but we've also made it into akickboxing gym.
So I've got a friend who was anamateur boxer and we do some

(56:30):
training in that and, to yourpoint, you had mentioned earlier
getting a heavy bag.
It's an utterly transformativepiece of equipment.
When you learn to hit thatthing well, you really awaken
energies within that you Icertainly hadn't known were

(56:53):
there, um, so so that's whatwe're working on my uh, my
friends and I are also big intolocal politics and trying to get

(57:18):
on city project and the.
The barriers to entry are arepretty high especially.
You know they're probablyhigher in other places too, but
that's one of the places where Ithink guys have to be spending
a little bit more of theirenergy.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, yeah, we uh.
I live in a pretty small townhere.
I think we have like 7 000people in this town and uh, we
just had a mayoral election anduh, one of the guys running for
the for mayor, um, for mayor, um, what during the?

(58:04):
It wasn't a debate, it was likea, like a platform.
Everybody kind of say whattheir platform is, um, and uh,
he's an old guy, he's probablyin his, you know, late 60s, and
I say, oh, you know late 60s,early 70s, and uh, when he got
done, I and it's just kind of, Iguess of the, the life that he
lives, but I guess he's an oldparty guy, you know, and running

(58:24):
for mayor.
And as he got done with hisplatform which was ridiculous he
did the crip, walk back to hischair Like brother, you're 68
and white, what are we doing?
And then to come to find out oflike a thousand people who
voted, he got like 28 votes, um,and I'm like man, 28 people

(58:46):
voted for that guy like this isprobably like all his party
buddies, but like he still got28 votes, I can't believe that
that's wild.
Uh, but we had young guysrunning for a lot of the city
council.
We had an 18 year old runningfor city council and he's in a
runoff with the incumbent.
Uh, now, and we have to, wehave to go vote again.

(59:07):
I'm thinking like next week, um,and so, like it is, if you're
in a small town, it is very easyuh, I don't say very, it is
easier to get involved withlocal politics than a lot of
other areas, because you mighthave to get in.
If you live in a larger area ora larger city, you might have
to get in through adjacent ways,like you know, volunteer on the

(59:29):
board of the library orsomething, and then you get
known there and then now you'rewell, now I'm going to run for
you know, you know whatever theanimal control officer or
whatever, right.
And then you kind of work yourway up from there.
Because if you're not, ifyou're not getting involved with

(59:50):
local politics, you'rebasically saying I'm okay with
whatever happens, right, becauseyour vote is one person and
it's not going to be enough tomake a change.
And if you're not gettinginvolved with our principles and
our faith to redirect things towhere they should be, then you

(01:00:11):
have no really right to complainas much.
You can complain a little bit,but only a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
It doesn't have to be even running for office or
anything like that, especiallyin smaller communities.
Just develop relationships withthose on the city council or
school board or mayor orwhatever, and influence that way
.
Here in our little small town,which is like 1500, you know,

(01:00:44):
the city just built a brand newplayground for kids and we were
there the day they opened withmy kids, and our state here, of
course, legalized cannabis I'mnot sure how long ago, but as my
kids are playing, um, we couldsmell weed because there were
some parents there smoking itand um, I actually uh the house

(01:01:07):
we rent, we rent from the, uhthe mayor.
So my uh, I uh, we just textedthe mayor and told her and next
thing, I know like after thenext city council meeting, a new
city ordinance comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
So really, yeah, it was nice kind of nice actually
you know another.
Another possibility is, just toyour point, rob, about forming
relationships also, developinguh response, developing response
networks, building up acoalition of informed and

(01:01:43):
concerned people to spread theword when there's a big issue
coming up and all of your countycommissioners need to be
informed, like a mass emailcampaign.
Like you know, a mass emailcampaign we had.
We had an issue here where theuh, the county commissioners
voted to back a bond for a quotemental health provider you know

(01:02:11):
who is really big on lgbt stuffand dei and basically this was
going to put our countytaxpayers on the hook for this.
If this organization couldn'tmake their mortgage payments,

(01:02:35):
the county was going to be onthe hook.
This was a really bad deal,just on top of this, in an
upcoming election.
So that was a lot.

(01:03:11):
I mean, it took a lot of timeand it took a lot of effort, but
those are the kinds of thingsthat are possible when you get
involved.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I just uh.
I I've been big on buildingcommunity, you know, and and I
try and stress that to a lot ofguys in our parish because we'll
have new guys come to the youknow, like this Sunday we went
to an early mass so we didn'tsee, but apparently our normal
high mass was busting at theseams.

(01:03:42):
Oh, nice.
And the issue we always havewhen we have new people come to
the Latin Mass is they're likewell, you know, nobody really
reached out to me, nobody really, you know, welcomed us in.
And you know from myself, if Isee somebody new, I'm trying to
talk to them right after mass,not talking to you in the same

(01:04:03):
way we're not talking to you inchurch.
I'll talk to you after mass,out on the lawn as everybody's
leaving, you know.
But a lot of these guys, theywant everything to be brought to
them.
They want, you know, programsand Bible studies and everything
already set up so they can justkind of sleep, sneak in the
back, sit in the back seat, notreally be involved.
They don't really want tocommit Right, because the, you

(01:04:24):
know they want to be able toleave whenever they want.
Because there's, there's a lackof of commitments.
I don't even know if that's aword, but I just made it up.
So now it is, you know, a lackof commitment amongst people.
Now because they want to.
We have been given so manychoices that you can choose
whenever, not, you know?
Like you pull up netflix, youcan literally watch anything you

(01:04:46):
want and you have a, you knowanalysis, paralysis, basically,
uh, and we see that in the in,in mass as well, with people who
show up and I tell guys all thetime what I mean and I'm
actually able to talk to them.
You have to put into thiscommunity, because I can't tell
you how many people we see cometo mass and we see them like
twice and they never come back.
We'll say hi to you, we'll findout where you're from.

(01:05:09):
Then, when you start comingback, you're going to have more
people talking to you.
But you have to put back intothe community.
You have to give some ofyourself as well.
Right, you have to help outwith things when we do potluck,
right, you need to be helping,you know, clean up afterwards as
well, because this isn't, youknow, this isn't just somewhere
where you just take all the time.
You know we have to build thiscommunity and I think that's why

(01:05:31):
our parish does so well,because we have a phenomenal
community.
And it's weird to me becausethought all light masses had
this.
We have people come visit usall the time from light masses,
like I can't believe how goody'all's community are.
Like, isn't everybody like this, like you know, and I was just
kind of shocked by that.
But we we have made it a pointto build this community and
welcome everybody in.

(01:05:51):
That we can.
But it's also a matter of youhave to put out as well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
You can't just take all the time, and hopefully that
changes here soon and hopefullymuch more people are willing to

(01:06:19):
commit to something a littlebit more than a single serve use
of that event or parish orwhatever it is.
Yeah, I mean, it really seemslike it's it's no accident that
those people, those newcomers,are, uh, eager to receive, eager
to be accommodated.
As you were saying, they havebeen specifically trained to be
that way.
That is, they have beenspecifically trained to be that
way that is.
That is how modern, enlightened, consumeristic society has has

(01:06:44):
made us to be.
So a new mode of living isgoing to be tough for a lot of
people, but it's absolutelycrucial for building anything
worthwhile.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yeah, we have specifically chosen to live the
way we do, even though it'sharder.
Right, I live on a little farm.
We've got cows and pigs andchickens, and it's been really
hard the past few days becausemy pigs keep getting out and
it's annoying to get those guysback in.

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And it's even more annoyingbecause we haven't had any rain
in like three or four weeks, sothe ground's super hard, um,
which means our electric fencedoesn't ground very well, so
they just lift up the fence andshoot on out and then, all of a
sudden, I have no chickenfeeding left, because they had
all the chicken feed and they'reall fat and happy laying next
to the chicken feeder.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Um well, then they can't be that hard to catch.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, you ever picked up a pig.
You better do it with some,with some ear protection.
It's horrible, uh, but we choseto live this way, even though,
man, it would be so easy just tolive in the suburb and, you
know, watch the games onSaturday and take the kids, drop

(01:08:06):
them off at public school allthe time and not really worry
about things.
Uh, but I just it.
We did.
In fact, we did that for alittle bit, and when we first
got married, we first had kidsand we didn't like the way the
world was going and we wanted tochange it and how we are living

(01:08:28):
.
And so we specifically, youknow, we homeschool the kids.
Now I think it is a derelict ofparents to put your children in
in public school, especiallynow, especially with.
We've seen how many teachersare getting fired for their jobs
the past five days for beinghappy on social media that

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Charlie Kirk was murdered.
How many of those are teachersat public schools?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
It's in the thousands , and that's just the ones that
said Is it just Adrian, George?
Are you still there?
I can hear you.
Adrian's got some iffy interneton that small phone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Man, the demons don't like it, but it is a derelict
to send your kids for someoneelse to put their values in them
for 8 hours a day and then youget them for 2 hours before
dinner and maybe an hour afterdinner before they go to bed.
Right, and with what we've seen, I think we all have to make
those hard choices to valueafter dinner before they go to
bed.
And with what we've seen, Ithink we all have to make those

(01:09:43):
hard choices to value the goodas opposed to the easy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Yeah, amen absolutely .

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Well, George, if you don't mind, let's see if we got
some questions for anybody foryou.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
We did have a couple already that were let's see if
we got some questions foranybody for you.
We did have a couple alreadythat were let's see here this is
the one I've seen so far.
Can you comment on daryl cooperthat's martyr made podcast?
For anyone who doesn't know,daryl cooper's tweet that if his
son ever did something hecouldn't live with like with the

(01:10:18):
Charlie Kirk shooter he neverturned him in but would take him
camping and, quote unquote,take care of it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Oh boy, starting with the easy ones here, I mean I

(01:10:57):
guess my first thought is thatloving somebody is when you love
somebody.
You do want justice for them,and if they have done ill, like
if they have done ill, justiceis a.
It's not punishment, is notjust punishment, it's also
helping them to see the error intheir ways and be made to feel

(01:11:20):
some pain so that they come tosee what they did in a different
light.
Gosh, so I can assume thatCooper would make a really good
argument for his course ofaction, but my thought would be

(01:11:42):
that this kid should face theconsequences and a loving parent
should see to it.
I don't know, I got to thinkabout it more.
What do you guys think of that?
I don't know, I got to thinkabout it more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
What do you guys think of that?
Obviously, I don't know.
I didn't see if he made furtherargument on that, but I would
imagine like the only thing Icould see justifying that sort
of action is the idea that theAmerican justice system and
prison system doesn't reallyusually lead to true justice or

(01:12:24):
true, you know, retribution,things of that nature.
You know, someone entering theprison system isn't usually the
most likely to repent of theirsins.
Now, those facing the deathpenalty usually do repent of
their sins at a much higher rate.
But even then in the Americanjustice system you're going to

(01:12:47):
be sitting on death row for 20,30 years and that's a lot of
extra time to commit more sinpotentially.
You know, if it was a case of aquick and speedy trial and
punishment, that would be onething, um, but that that's not
the case we have.
But does that justify that sortof action?

(01:13:08):
I I don't know if it.
I don't know if it does I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
I wonder what he means by take care of it.
Like you know, in the Marines,if I had a Lance corporal that
was being out of line, we tookhim to the wood line and we
corrected it, right, that way hewouldn't have a permanent
record.
You know, following himeverywhere, right, you know,

(01:13:35):
taking him camping and takingcare of it.
You know, taking him campingand taking care of it, like is
he insinuating that he wouldtake his own child's life?
Like it'd be much easier for meto turn my child in than to
kill my child, you know.

(01:13:57):
But to both of y'all's point,where does the restorative
justice come in?
Because, as've seen, where, inyou know, with arena, that guy
was released 14 times oh he, hewas released again, by the way
oh, yeah, and and and.
Then we have the anakinskywalker meme to it.
Right, good, I'm glad they lethim out.
But you know, like, forinstance, in the founding of

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this country, um, the deathpenalty was proposed that the
only way that you could sentencesomeone to death if the, if
they had, if there were threeeyewitnesses to the crime, and
that's extremely hard and it'san extremely high bar.
Even though the Lord gives theauthority to the government to

(01:14:45):
exact the death penalty, thefounders even saw this can be
abused very easily.
Um, you know, but now we're atthe other end of where we don't.
We are not a good and moralpeople, um, as was intended, uh,
by the founders.
And you know, maybe we're in asituation where we should be

(01:15:13):
exacting the death penalty formore things than what we have.
I don't, i't, like this is notsomething I've really sat down
and and properly thought out.
But you know, the the issuewith the death penalty is, even
if you're on death row for 20 or30 years, um, you know, there
have been instances where guyshave gotten or escaped from

(01:15:34):
death row and killed more people.
Yes, yeah, right.
So now, because we wereunwilling to exact the justice
that was due.
More people lost their lives,um, or even someone in jail who
you know was attacked by someonein death row and, you know,
maybe they're just in there fora white-collar crime and now

(01:15:55):
they're dead, um because, youknow, this dangerous convict got
access to them for whateverreason.
So for me, if they were my sonand he did that horrible thing,
um, I would probably do what thedad did in charlie kirk.
I would make him turn himselfin um and I would ensure that he

(01:16:16):
does it um, and then let thejustice system go where it goes
and hopefully my son understandsthe wrong of what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
At the very least, if he is as unwell as this guy has
to be, as this guy has to be,he needs to be restrained so
that he can't do anything likethis again.
I mean to your point, adrian.
First things first.

(01:16:51):
We need to take him out of aposition where he could ever
continue on with this kind ofbehavior.
That would be the mostimmediate benefit of turning the
kid in.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
At what point do we stop blaming things on mental
health and just call it evil?

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Right, not everything is because you had a chemical
imbalance, right.
Sometimes you're just evil andthe justice needs to be met out
to remove that evil.
You know, I think we've been.
We are a country that has beendeveloped to be ruled by
affluent white women, suburbanaffluent white women, who are

(01:17:40):
just want everybody to be theirfriend and they never want to
cause any type of controversy orany kind of conflict, and so
they perpetuate these things andwe just need to call it for
what it is it's just evil and itneeds to be removed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Yeah, do you think disordered is a little bit too
much of a scholarly term?
That was the word that came tomy mind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
He's hopelessly disordered.
Well, I think disordered couldbe an appropriate term,
depending on what it is for him.
You know, for Tyler Robinson, Idon't think it's a matter of
disorder.
He he was raised in a familywith everything he he he would
have needed and he startedmaking decisions based on the
kind of life he wanted to live.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
To be fair, though, it doesn't have to be, like a, a
medical disorder, it can be youknow, like-sex attraction
ritual disorder right, likesame-sex attraction is a
disorder, right?

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
that's.
That's why previously in canonlaw, if you had same-sex
attraction you were not allowedto serve as a priest at all
because you were disordered inyour thinking.
You cannot come back from thatright there's.
You can never be have anordered way of thinking, um,
when you have the.
And as we know now, most peoplewho have same-sex attraction

(01:19:03):
suffer some type of abuseearlier in life by a parent or a
close loved one.
It was either verbal, sexual,emotional, some type of abuse,
and you know that leaves a stainon most people that it takes a
lifetime to try and correct andmost people can never do it

(01:19:23):
because it's so disruptive.
But I think disordered is onthe same level as ecumenical
right.
We use it as like a softsquishy word in order to right.
We use it as like a softsquishy word in order to, uh,

(01:19:45):
categorize things that we don'twant to accurately define.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Yeah, yeah, the, uh, the.
The language here, as in somany cases, has been kind of
rigged against us and to yourpoint.
We've been trained to talkabout this in therapeutic terms,
clinical terms, when there'ssomething much more immediate
and disturbing going on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah, all right.
Do we have another question?
Rob um, I'm looking here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Uh, none that I can see right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Well, george, uh, why don't you tell us what you got
going on, do you?
I know you're, you're big,you're good on substack.
Um, I subscribe to substackagain, by the way.
Um right I, I have a theory, Ihave a practice that I always
support the homies and uh, so II try and uh, patron, you know

(01:20:56):
all the guys that are doing goodout there and I think you're
doing a lot of good.
I know you've got the sub stackand you're on x a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Um, I heard you mentioned that you're coming out
with the second edition of yourbook yeah, um, writing a book
is such a fascinating andbewildering and uh trying thing

(01:21:27):
to do, um, that you know.
And then, once the book is outthere, it is a it's, it's
separate from from you and, um,you, you reread certain passages
and you're not quite good withthat passage anymore.
So my, my, my thoughtsdeveloped a little bit and I
want to, I want to polish up afew things.
So I'm working on, piece bypiece, getting a second edition

(01:21:47):
ready I think it'll be good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
I think a lot of guys , um, I think a lot more are
going to want to read it now, um, and I think it'll do a lot of
good.
You know, one of the firstshows we did was going over Rick
Barrett's book, the ArmedCatholic, and providing a lot of
documentation and backgroundfor, you know, proper use of

(01:22:13):
self-defense in our faith andthe way that our church teaches
it in our faith and the way thatour church teaches it.
But I think, you know, yourbook is a lot more in line to
get us all on the same level ofthinking and to try and bust
that rust off of this pacifisticCatholicism that we are all

(01:22:34):
raised in and steeped in, and tokind of bust out of that shell
into the more robust, assertiveCatholicism that you know, our
past patrons of the faithparticipated in, participated in

(01:22:59):
.
Uh, we didn't get a lot into,uh, the talk about.
I wanted to talk about raymondibrahim, um, because you and I
both have a a love for hiswriting.
Um, he's great, he, yeah.
Well, I'm gonna try and see ifI can blackmail him into coming
on, um, but, uh, but I think, uh, I think the next time we have
you on assuming, assuming youliked being on this time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Yeah, indeed, love to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
You know we'll talk about the crusades because I
think that will really tie in toyou know this in a kind of like
a part two to this show of youknow where, where our history is
and where the men that reallysymbolized.
You know where we want to beand without the, the LARP of you

(01:23:46):
know Protestants and theircrusader patches and desires to
be like where, where those menactually were in their faith and
where what they did about theoncoming onslaught of whether it
be Islam or or whatever.
But I think that'll be the nexttime we have you on.
I'd love to talk to you and getyour thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
We.
We did get three questions.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Of course we did, cause I started closing him out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I know Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
So we have we have three.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
These are the last three.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
I'm trying to be sensitive of your time, George.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I'm good these are the last three we're going to
take everyone.
Let's get to them.
We'll just see which one camefirst.
Crash Cannon Chris, over atCrash Cannon, there's a huge
difference between criticizingideas and celebrating
assassination.
What are our opinions on thefirings of the people who have

(01:24:40):
celebrated it?
Do we all think it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
I liked that Daniel McCarthy tweet About precisely
that point that there is amassive difference Between
canceling somebody for beingagainst same-sex marriage versus
somebody who is baying forblood, like some of these people

(01:25:10):
are.
And I mean especially whenwe're talking about if these
people are like in the healthcare industry.
If this is how they feel, canthey be trusted to provide care
to somebody who comes in wholikes charlie kirk a lot?

(01:25:31):
Um, I mean, what if I go?

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
in for a surgery with my scapula.
You know, like, like are theygoing to let me die on the table
if you're an organ donor, theywill we, we've tried to do
things the the moderate way,we've tried to go the route of
civility.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
we've tried to never, ever turn up the temperature,
um, because you know what, ifthe roles were reversed and all
of that stuff, and gosh, it justhasn't worked out that well for
us.
So, uh, I'm not, I'm not sureexactly what the specifics are,
but a much more vigorousapproach is going to have to be

(01:26:15):
required.
And, jesse, maybe Jesse, jesseKelly's tweet was really clutch.
He said, and he's he's beingvery cheeky, but he says if the
task before Donald Trump rightnow is to avert a violent right
wing revolution which is goingto arise in anger and smash the

(01:26:40):
left, and you would do that byactually being responsible and
putting down, uh, these threatsas prudence necessitates, and if
you don't do that, you'reactually you're you're playing
with fire.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Yeah, yeah, you with fire.
Yeah, yeah, you really are.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
It reminds me of the Norm Macdonald quote.
What concerns me, like if ISISgot a nuke.
Yeah, if ISIS got a nuke, howmany poor Muslims would be
persecuted because of you know?
Whatever it was, you guys justwe're in a Well, they detonated

(01:27:25):
it in a major metropolitan areaand killed 50,000 people.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
How many poor.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Muslims would be persecuted.
The backlash it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
And I think we're.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I think the right has had an issue of well, if we do
this, and when they're in power,they're going to do even worse,
like they've already done ityou know, they've already shown
what they're willing like.
Do y'all remember covid?
Like how many grandmothers diedin the hospital and no one
could be there with them andhold their hand right because
they just made rules up, becausethey talked about it at a

(01:27:57):
cocktail party while it wasgoing on, getting someone fired
for reveling and threateningmore violence.
In fact, you're not firing thatperson.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
You're just letting an employer know what was said
in public.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
This is the person that is representing your
company.
Do you want to be representedby this person?
Right, there's that woman.
She's on tiktok, she's got like600 000 views and her husband
owns an electric companyelectrical uh service company
and, uh, his business is doingpoorly.
He had to take his website down.

(01:28:35):
Um, he's had people come to hisbusiness, you know, asking him
if his wife is representative ofhis business, and I'm sure he's
losing business.
But those are the consequencesof being so free on social media
.
I get a little fiery sometimeson X, but I just want to let you

(01:28:57):
all know the stuff, stuff thatcomes on x.
It made it past my filterimagine the stuff that doesn't
make it past my filter, right,and I came back, okay, um, but I
have to be measured because,like, I'm not representing
anybody but I'm representingmyself and I'm gonna be held
account for every word I say,and so I have to be very

(01:29:21):
cautious of what I say.
And these people, just they'vethey've lived in such a time of
impunity where they don't haveto worry about their actions,
because they've always hadoverwatch by the government,
right, because they're, theyhave the acceptable opinion by
the people in power.
And now they don't, and they'reshocked that they are receiving

(01:29:42):
the same uh responsibility orthe same actions that we did for
five years.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
I saw a funny tweet about that.
It was uh, the, the liberals,uh, opsec is so poor because
they're not they're not used tohaving to watch their back that
it's like an uncontacted tribegetting one-shotted by smallpox
Not scary, yeah.
So we have a couple more here.

(01:30:09):
Okay, I'm a melancholic as wellWell, melancholic, phlegmatic.
I'm a melancholic as well, well, melancholic, phlegmatic.
But so if you have amelancholic, choleric

(01:30:31):
temperament, how do you not fallto the worst extremes of each
one being cold and emotionless,ruthless and wrathful, but the
other being tepid?
I mean, I think this could.
How do we not fall to any ofour temperaments like worse, you
know worse?

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
sides man.
So when it comes to thetemperaments, you're meant to
progress out of those into intokind of the opposite temperament
eventually, right, like I'mcholeric, sanguine, whatever it
is my wife knows these waybetter than I do, um, but, uh,

(01:31:03):
and people are like you're acleric, yeah, and I saw that I
can figure that out, but uh, my,you know my issues that I've
had to work on is empathy forpeople, um, because you know I'm
I'm very cold and calculatingabout things, and because I'm
very cold and calculating aboutthings and I've had to learn and

(01:31:24):
having children has done thatright and so I've had to learn
to not be as black and whitewith things, especially when it
comes to my kids, which has mademe a better husband as well,
because that translates into howI relate to my wife.
But what you need is a good setof friends that are going to

(01:31:45):
tell you the truth to your face,and you have to be okay with
that.
And you have to be okay withbeing offended by your friends,
because if you don't haveanybody that's willing to tell
you something that's hard foryou to hear, you don't have any
friends.
You have acquaintances that yousee probably a little bit more
frequently than you probablyneed to.
You need to developrelationships with people and be

(01:32:07):
vulnerable enough with peoplewhere they are able to tell you
when you're being a jerk rightor help you talk these things
out.
If you don't have those yet,you need to find those men and
surround yourself with those menwho you want to be more like,

(01:32:27):
and start to put yourself intotheir circle of influence so
that they are willing to givetheir self to you a little bit
Friendship is always a goodanswer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
It's been an answer to a few of the questions
tonight.
So it's something that when itcomes to politics or temperament
, or yeah, so much, is based onfriendship or helped by
friendship and fraternity ingeneral.

(01:33:04):
So the last one I said we'd getto is is very disappointed in
most of the bishops onaddressing the assassination of
Charlie Kirk.
This person lives in Oklahomacity and his bishop has said
nothing and kind of just to addto that is I think it was on day

(01:33:27):
four after George Floyd, theUSCCB, put out a statement and
today is the fourth day it mighthave been yesterday since the
assassination of Charlie Kirkand other than Bishop Barron and
, I think, bishop who's inArlington, burbridge, something

(01:33:47):
like that, right.
So there have been a goodcouple bishops that have put out
really good statements, but forthe most part it's been nothing
.
So what do you guys think aboutthat?

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
I'm so jaded I don't expect my bishop to put anything
out One, it's not going toaffect me whatsoever if he does
or doesn't.
But you also have to realize alot of these guys were elevated
to bishop because they have nobackbone.
They're, yes, men.
A lot of these guys were, wereelevated to bishop because they
have no backbone, right, they're, yes, men.
A lot of them, um and?
But the other side of it is whatdo you expect them to say that

(01:34:27):
you know your priest alreadyisn't going to say, if you go to
a good parish, you know, andand so would I like them to say
something.
Yes, maybe you know, it wouldbe nice for for at least to show
sympathy for the family, right,and to pray for and to implore
all of us to pray for his, hissoul.

(01:34:47):
But the other end of it is likewhat, why do?
Why would we expect that of him?
Is he he?
He wasn't Catholic, right, andI know there's a lot of rumors
out there about where he was inhis faith.
I think Candace Owens had somestuff to say today as well.
I haven't watched any of that,but as far as we know, he'd ever

(01:35:09):
made a profession of faith as aCatholic, and so their their
responsibility to say something.
Lessons from there as well.
But I think you know, if theysay anything, it's going to be
about the violence.
But they already deal with alot of violence, because every
one of these cities has a lot ofviolence already.

(01:35:30):
Right, and so, especially ifyou live in a city, every city
is a Democrat stronghold there's.
I don't I can't even think of arepublican city anymore, like a
large city, like littletownships and stuff, yeah, but
um, so they're already dealingwith massive amounts of violence
all the time.
What, I don't know what weexpect them to say I think for

(01:35:50):
me, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
The issue I have isn't an expectation of them to
say something on this, it's thatthey find the time and energy
to say stuff on so much othercrap right On climate change, on
properly punishing criminalswith just penalties like the

(01:36:12):
death penalty and so-called gunviolence, so on and so forth.
You have bishops talking aboutanything and everything.
Then you come to something likethis and besides, you know,
besides a few, they're quiet and, like you said, it's not that
we should expect them to saysomething, it's that we, I think
, need to expect them to sayless about other things.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Yeah, Can you imagine what a moment this would be if
the church actually had its acttogether?

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
well uh I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
It's actually worse than just them speaking out in
sympathy for george floyd.
Do you remember when that uhlgbtqia plus group in los
angeles?
The little sisters of whateverthe the ones?
that did the thing at the dodgergame yeah, yeah, so there was,

(01:37:12):
there was an organization orthere was an attempt to organize
a march by Catholics that wasgoing to start at the cathedral,
I think, and then go down toDodger Stadium and they were
trying to get the bishopinvolved and the bishop was
unwilling to take a side in thatdispute.

(01:37:36):
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's,that's just it's, it's so, it's
so wild yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Well, and there was the situation in Phoenix,
arizona, where they say theblack mass was going to be said
and the bishop there pulled allhis support from the Catholics
there that were kind ofprotesting it right, and like
jesse romero had to go there andhe, he, you know, he tried to

(01:38:06):
try to do the politician thingand trying to, you know like, oh
, you know, he had, you know,his uh, auxiliary bishop was
here and you know, but he pulledthat, you know, that support.
Like Imagine if we had onebishop, and we did, and they
removed him.
But if we had one bishop thatwas willing to stand up no

(01:38:29):
matter what and say what we allwant a Catholic bishop of the
Spahn to say, but we had thatand they removed him.
So now that makes the rest ofthe spine to say, right, but
we've, but we had that and theyremoved them, right.
So now that makes the rest ofthe bishops who would do that,
because what they're doing isthey're doing internal calculus.
They're doing like, well, I cando more good by staying here

(01:38:49):
and keeping my head down andhelping my people here than
providing, you know, afigurehead for a, a robust faith
, right, um, and that's the,that's the calculation they're
doing, but I think what they'remissing is how much influence
that bishop that that got takendown, bishop strickland had and

(01:39:11):
still has, even though hedoesn't have a diocese right,
and if we had another one thatstood up and he got taken down
for it, like people are going tostart noticing and courage is
contagious, and once they startseeing, and once one more and
one more bishop does it, theneventually we will see many more
people willing to putthemselves on the line,

(01:39:32):
regardless of the consequencesand if we look at history like
it's, and if we look at historylike it's, in almost any
situation in the past it's veryrarely been bishops that have
stood up and led the way Right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
It's almost always a monk or, you know, a parish
priest or something like that,or even Joan of Arc.
You know you didn't havebishops necessarily going out
and preaching the crusade.
There was St Bernard of Claveauand things of that nature.
So bishops I mean I'm not goingto say that we don't have
especially bad bishops now,because I think we have

(01:40:08):
historically bad bishops in thechurch, but they've always kind
of been, like you said, adrian,kind of just calculating company
men, a sense, you know, tomaintaining the status quo,
whatever that status quo is atthe time.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Yep, one thing that strikes me that I want to do is
I need to identify all of thegood, hardline priests on
Twitter and put together a listand then try to make sure that
their voices are amplified sothat we at the very least hear

(01:40:46):
from priests who aren't on boardwith the agenda, let's put it
so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
I'm going to try and get to work on that the next
couple days, I think the issuethat you're going to find with
that is, um, some of thosepriests like I can think of,
like father darren schmidt,right, who is just rock solid,
and, um, you know, father davidx, right, these are all priests

(01:41:17):
who are, uh, very willing tosacrifice themselves for the
good of the faith, um.
But when we start in some ofthese guys you're going to find,
unfortunately, when they dostart getting highlighted and
they are kind of promoted, um,and they're getting a bigger
audience and they're gettingmore criticism, um, they're
you're going to start seeingsome some compromising made, uh,

(01:41:39):
cause it got a little bitbigger than they wanted to be,
right, um, and so hopefully, um,that doesn't happen.
But I just, you know humannature what it is.
You know people are much morewilling to say what they want to
say if they're anonymous, uh,but once they have to take
responsibility for their whatthey've said, um, they usually
tone it down quite a bit more,um.

(01:42:01):
So I just be prepared that, uh,you may get some some dms, you
know, like, if some of thoseguys start getting some
promotion from much biggeraccounts fair point much bigger

(01:42:21):
accounts Fair point.
All right.
Is that all the questions wehave for George?

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
A couple others have come in, so it all depends on
how much.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
I don't want to hold you, brother.
If you want to go, you can go.
I know some of these peoplehave some questions about
firearms and stuff like that.
Someone was asking about Kirk,if he was actually wearing body
armor or not.
Earlier I saw that question.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
There was that.
There was how to talk to yourpriest about security teams,
things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
You're more than welcome to hang out, brother, if
you want to, if you want to go,it's great too.
It's been good talking to you.
We'll answer some of thesequestions that.
That way we're not going to behere all night, because I know a
lot of people don't have a lotof, they don't have anybody else
to ask these questions, of sureright, and so I try and give
what experience I have, um, andif I don't know, then you know I

(01:43:13):
direct them somewhere that hasbetter information than I do.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
um, but let's go ahead and pull those up I should
, I should run here.
Uh, I want to thank you, thoughit's been a pleasure I'd love
to come back on yeah, yeah, forsure.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
You are welcome back anytime.
You got something on your mind,you want to pop on and talk to
us?

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
let me know we'll have to give you the lovely
experience of talking withAnthony sometime too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Looking forward to it .
All right, george, take care ofyourself, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Thanks guys, God bless.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
You too.
Thank you, Let me change thisaround real quick.
Okay, I didn't really start toomany other ones, I got one here
, so we'll just start with thisone.
How do we practically movetoward a solution without

(01:44:10):
vigilante violence?
Political situation is hopeless.
Things are only getting worse.
Okay, I guess for me it dependson what you mean by the
political situation.
Are we going to vote our wayout of this during the midterms
of the next presidentialelection?
No, so I don't know if theAmerican political system has a

(01:44:33):
solution here, but there arepolitical actions we can take.
There are political actions wecan, we can take and you get.
I mean, politics is, isbasically just how you put your
values in action and like out inthe public sphere, you know.
So informing an employer aboutone of their employees saying
something isn't a sense like itis a political action.

(01:44:55):
You know, bearing down these,these, these leftist
organizations even.
You know, extra judiciously ifnecessary, or extra
constitutionally if necessary, Imean, is that outside of the
American political system?

(01:45:16):
Yeah, sure, but it is maybepart of a political solution.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Sure, but it is maybe part of a political solution.
I think in a lot of aspects weare past the political solution.
This is a spiritual issue morethan anything.
As far as vigilante justice,when it comes to a situation,
what's called WROL, without ruleof law, the history, basically

(01:45:49):
the previous patterns thathappens is anytime that a
authority is unable to exert itsforce out to enforce laws, you
start getting into the settlingof scores.
So if you live in a small townand the police aren't able to
respond to you because you knowthey're locked up, you know,

(01:46:10):
with some other situation on theother side of town, you're
going to see people.
You know, if they, if theythink there aren't going to be
any consequences or very lowchance of them being caught,
you're going to see people startto settle those scores with
people that may have wrongedthem 20 years ago.
And so, as far as what do we do?

(01:46:31):
Vengeance is not ours,vengeance is the Lord's.
All you can do is protectyourself and your family.
Now, the thing that I've beenkicking around in my head is
like, well, how far out right.
So, for example, when the COVIDstuff was going on and they
were, you know, taking kids awayfrom parents for not getting
the COVID shot or, in somestates, if you don't affirm your

(01:46:54):
child's transition, they arenow a ward of the state.
At what point do we accept orlike how far out do they have to
be before we start to dosomething right?
so if we, if we think of like a,a tangible situation, right, do
I wait for someone who's at theend of my 100 yard driveway

(01:47:15):
before they get on my propertybefore I do something?
Or do I wait till they're on mydoorstep right, um, or do I
stop them before they even leavecity hall?
So at what point?
And I think once there's theeminence of the situation, then
you're responsible to act Iagree in in all those questions.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
I mean, those are, those are prudential matters,
that you're the only one thatthat can decide those.
You know, not even, not even a,you know, a priest can maybe
give you the moral guidelines,but but at that point you're,
you're beyond that and you'reyou're making prudential
decisions as the situationdictates and you just gotta, you
got, just gotta go with thebest you can.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
I guess yeah, I've talked about this with other
guys.
You know, cause, like doingwhat I did in the Marines and um
, you know, basically you knowwhere I'm at now.
I'm on like five lists, I haveto be right, you know, um, and
I'm probably on another one nowcause I'm on a show.

(01:48:16):
But, um, a hundred percent, Ihave especially this show.
How many feds are watchingright now?
Not fed posting, um.
So the one thing that I've kindof inculcated my family in is
one day dad might not be in hereany longer because he had to do

(01:48:39):
something to protect the family, right.
One day dad might not be hereanymore because they took him
away for having the wrongopinion.
And getting my familyunderstanding of that, like,
look, if that happens, know thatit's God's will and I will try
to suffer the best I can andoffer up that suffering, but I

(01:49:03):
will protect y'all with my lifeor going to prison, no matter
what, right?
And then it's a situation thereof like, hopefully my community
kicks in and helps with myfamily.
But, you know, just gettingyour family understanding of
what you're willing to do,because nothing scares me more
than my son seeing me in asituation where I should have

(01:49:26):
done something and I didn'tright, or seeing dad um refuse
to put his life on the line forsomething.
Now my son has a horribleopinion of me for the rest of
his life and I'm not willing todo that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Yeah, yeah, not late decisions that we have to think
about and prepare for andprepare our families for Yep.
Um, one of the other questionsI saw and you had mentioned it

(01:50:06):
earlier is, um, the thepossibility of of charlie
wearing some sort of ballisticprotection, whether that, um,
yeah, that caused a potentialricochet.
I know you had texted me theday of because a very frame by
frame close-up showed what maybelooked like it could be a

(01:50:27):
ricochet.
Now at that point I hadn't seenlike close-up photos of of what
he had been wearing before.
Um, I mean now, now we hadtalked on literally the previous
show about different sort ofballistic protection and how,
like a steel plate is reallythin compared to, say, ceramic,

(01:50:47):
but causes breakage Well, notfalling but judging from the
pictures I've seen of him onthat day, to me it looked like
he probably wasn't wearinganything.
But I mean, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
So, as I started looking, because the first thing
I saw when it, when the firstangles came out, uh, the first
thing I saw is it when theyslowed it down, it looked like
it hit like just below hisclavicle, or at least you know
somewhere.
And then he came up his neck, uh, and I was like man, I hope he
wasn't wearing steel plates,because that's probably it
ricocheted and went up into hisneck.
But to your point, when we sawpictures later of what he was

(01:51:24):
actually wearing, like you couldsee the curvature of his back
when he was, you know, slumpedover, uh, talking to somebody,
uh, or you could see his nipplesthrough his shirt right, like
you're not gonna see that withsteel plates, um, so no, I I
just think now, um, you knowwhat, by what information I've
been able to see, I think theshooter was aiming for his chest

(01:51:45):
and was not a very good shotand got lucky him and the
jugular.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
I mean even and I discussed this with Anthony
whenever that was, I mean thatsort of rifle.
It wasn wasn't, you know, andit was a pretty cheap 30-06.
It really is what it lookedlike, with probably a pretty,
pretty cheap scope.
I mean even a perfect shot.
You, at 200 yards, you're gonnayou have at least four inches

(01:52:13):
where that bullet could land.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
so if you're aiming chest, I mean, yeah, you have I
mean, yeah, very well, and ifthe rumors are true and the
information is true that the therifle was provided by someone
else, he probably never zeroedthat rifle himself true yeah, so
it's probably zero.
To somebody else you know whomay have longer arms or a
different uh yeah, sight radiusto the scope, right?

(01:52:39):
Um, maybe he may have saw someshadowing of the scope or
whatever and that may haveaffected it.
But I mean 200 yards on a.30-06, I could teach my
five-year-old to do that inabout two hours.
That's not a hard shot at all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Honestly anything less than that with a .30-06,.
You should look for a differentcaliber, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Yeah, I know, the ballistics gel got and sent out.
You know that's been goodmaking the rounds.
The one ian carroll posted yeahgod, that guy's so dumb um, he
really is not.
He's so dumb he, um.
That's not.

(01:53:21):
Gel is a theatrical, dramaticway of showing bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Right, it's not ballistically sound, right no,
and it started off as as blocksof of just gelatin.
Yeah, that would be used.
I mean, I think it started withthe FBI just to give a constant
comparison right, A control fortesting different rounds, and

(01:53:53):
they determined that for the FBIanyways, their standard is
between 12 and 18 inches ofpenetration and 80% ballistic
gelatin is what they wanted.
And 18 inches of penetrationand 80% ballistic gelatin is
what they wanted.
But it is somewhat a substitutefor kind of a human body.
But a human body isn'tconsistent like ballistic

(01:54:13):
gelatin is, and the way bulletswork, especially um things like
hollow points or soft tips.
You know, and I don't know whatsort of ammo this was used, but
let's say if it was a hunting,it's like a soft tip hunting
round.
When that round account uhencounters um fluid, whether

(01:54:35):
it's it's it's water, blood, uh,um, just tissue in general is
like 70 to 80% fluid.
When it encounters fluid, thathydrostatic pressure causes that
round to mushroom, to deform,to basically dump all its energy
.
There's a lot less of that, say, in a neck than there is in a

(01:54:58):
skull with a brain.
That's basically all fluid.
So when you shoot in thoseballistic skeletons, ballistic
heads, right, they're basicallyfilled with balloons with liquid
in them.
So when a bullet hits at it,that hydrostatic pressure dumps
all the energy and you get thatexplosion, because fluid doesn't
compress, Water doesn'tcompress, so when it gets that

(01:55:22):
energy dumped into it it justexplodes out, yeah, whereas the
shot through a neck is gonna Imean, I'm no expert, but I would
imagine it probably justlargely slips through pretty
easily yeah, and that's what wesaw.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
You know, and, uh, it depends on the, the ammunition.
You know, as derek was saying,yes, it would go straight
through and most, and I, I, thethe ammunition.
You know, as derek was saying,yes, it would go straight
through and most, and I can'ttell you how many times I've
shot a deer with 30 out, six atcloser than 100 yards, and it
just zips right through them,right, and it's just.
All you can see is a is a smallhole.
When you finally found the deer,hopefully, if you shot him to

(01:55:57):
the heart, right, um, and whenit comes to something that's
coming out that high velocity,um, especially going through the
neck, because if you look atlike your neck, you've got your.
You know you got your carotidon one side, you got your
jugular on the other side.
You know they're basicallyshift, shifting blood one way or
the other.
Um, you know, if you're justbasically going through like the

(01:56:19):
pinch of the neck there, it'sgoing to go right, especially if
it's ball ammo, it's just goingto zip right through.
And I think the shooter gotlucky and hit the jugular and
that blood was just pumping.
You saw it.
When it hit, when the roundwent through it, pulled blood
with it, but it just keptpumping out, so it couldn't you
know I'm trying to think ofwhere, how he was.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
It was on his left side, so you know do you think
what we saw was the entrance, orand I really I think he got
shot from the right side and itcame out and went out the left
side.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Yeah, yeah, if it would make sense the way the
shirt moved right and it kind ofwaved towards his right, his
left side.
I'm having to like put myselfin his position.
But yeah, and as far as well, Iwon't get into any of the cause
, cause people have thrown outsome wild conspiracies, like

(01:57:15):
someone, like some people,trying to blame it on Nick
Fuentes.
That's insane.
First of all, those people arenot organized enough to do that,
um, but second of all, I don'tthink any of those guys ever
shot a gun.
So there's there.
There's a long history of johnbrown gun club.
Redneck revolt, democratsocialists of america, like

(01:57:36):
these are all organizations thatare have have gone to the
Middle East and trained with theKurds, have gone to Ukraine and
fought against the Russians andthen come back to train other
people how to fight as well.
As the left has their own GreenBerets and Deltas that are on

(01:57:57):
their side.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
There's a really You've seen that, with how many
people in the military aregetting fired over celebrating
this 30 years ago.
Instead of going over toUkraine and training with the
Kurds and stuff like that, itwould have been, you know,
getting training from moscow.

(01:58:20):
I mean, and these aredescendants of, of those same
groups and organizations.
You know that.
Go back to the sivineseliberation army and, uh, the
weather underground and thingsof that nature.
They just, you know, now wearthe furry suits instead of, uh,
of hippie headbands.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
What we haven't started to see a lot of is the
improvised explosives.
The Weather Underground waswell known for that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Yeah, that's true.
70s Liberation Armyaccidentally blew themselves up
right Because of all theexplosives they had.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
So when that starts happening which we almost saw it
the other day who knows if thatwas actual explosive or not but
when that starts happening,because I saw a guy from the EOD
out of West Virginia he's inlike a reserve unit with the EOD
and he was, you know,commenting on Charlie Kirk's
assassination and was very happythat it happened, and this is a

(01:59:21):
guy that works at the od, heknows how to build ieds right,
and if that guy starts trainingother people how to do it right,
how things are going to get bad, real bad.
You start seeing car bombs andv-bids going off.
You know, because you can'tblock a v-bid, even the, even
the president has a hard timev-bid the vehicle born, improve
the born ied.
We saw it a lot in Afghanistan,a lot.

(01:59:44):
That's why we had serpentineentrances to a lot of our bases
to try and stop that.
There's very little you can do.
You have to try and identify itand that's about all you can do
.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
It's one of those things people on the left
especially don't understand thateven if you were somehow to
make all 530 million firearms ofthis country disappear, I
wouldn't make things like thisbetter.
It would probably make themworse because they would use
other more violent means.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
Well, and then if you took all the guns away, like
the, criminals will still haveguns, yeah, yeah, exactly
because they.
I mean, when's the last time acriminal followed the law like
they?
Just that's what, not whatthey're known for yeah and
darlings, we haven't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
I mean, you're talking, you know vehicle-borne
things, but they're gettingtraining in ukraine and things
like that things are gonna calla video of a fpv drone in
ukraine.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
This was six months ago and this thing travels at
200 miles an hour.
You can't stop that.
That thing's going to destroywhatever it wants to destroy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
You is too fast now with the, the fiber optic ones,
you can't.
You can't jam them or thingsthat you know or use necessarily
like electronic means to bringthem down, because they're being
controlled through a fiberoptic wire.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
Yeah, and really those are only good in open
spaces, like if you live in amore wooded area you're a little
safe from the fiber optic ones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause like inin ukraine, you see fields and
nothing but like fiber opticlines shimmering in the sunlight
right everywhere, like manlooks like a power line over a
fishing pier, basically.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
Um, what other questions did I see?

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
uh, I want to do this one real quick okay, um, I
think pope francis was astumbling block for a lot of
people.
I think pope francis was astumbling block for a lot of
catholics well, charlie,charlie's done an interview with
with uh tucker, even publiclyyeah, and, and I get that, you
know, and now that francis is nolonger here, we have a new pope

(02:02:03):
, um, who's really just notdoing anything.
Um, he's kind of staying low, uh, which I kind of like, you know
, but I don't think this is thetime for that kind of pope.
But, um, you know, I think alot of people have seen the evil
that's been coming up the pastfew weeks, and we had a lot of

(02:02:23):
people who are devout atheistsclaiming they went to church on
Sunday for the first time.
The Holy Spirit will not beheld back, and so if they're
open to it and their hearts areopen to it, things are going to
change.
And, to be honest with you, asyou and anthony have talked
about, only god can do somethingabout this, because we are in

(02:02:46):
such a paradigm where peopledon't even agree on what a woman
is, that this is not a stablecondition for dialogue, like
we're two people with entirelydifferent views of reality and
that cannot be reconciled at all.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
It was.
I noticed, especially in thefirearm community on Twitter,
the number of guys that wentback for the first time in 10,
15, 20, 30 years.
That was really cool, Reallycool to see.
There was one, I don't know, Ithink I know I didn't start.

(02:03:33):
Oh, right, here you started.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
I saw it.
We talked about this in thefirst show, I think no the
enunciation show I think youhave to one.
You have to feel out yourpastor and try and figure him
out, and if that's somethinghe's even amenable to, this may

(02:03:58):
be a thing where you ask forforgiveness instead of
permission.
Right, you kind of set somethingup on the side and he just
never knows about it, becausemany of them probably don't even
want to know yeah, because evenif you did, uh, even if he was
uh very accepting of that idea,he's not going to be able to
give you top cover.

(02:04:18):
So one feel your priest out andthen just kind of see hey, this
is something we're talkingabout, what are your thoughts on
it?
And then if he's like, oh, I'mnot really comfortable with that
, I'm like all right, got it.
And then y'all do it anywaywithout him knowing and he just
doesn't have to be involvedbecause he may be in a very
precarious situation with hisBishop.
Right, okay, right, okay.

(02:04:43):
Now the other thing is youabsolutely need some type of
carry insurance.
Yeah, absolutely, even if youget permission by the priest,
you need some type of carryinsurance.
The guy over at christianwarrior training has a review on
all the insurances on hiswebsite.
If y'all want to go over thereand look at those reviews,
there's really only one, Ibelieve, that he suggests for
people who are doing an actualchurch security, just because

(02:05:05):
the way they've set up thepolicy it'll actually protect
you, um, but you have to do yourown research on that.
But you need some type ofprotection in case that event
does happen, because it's verylikely that you'll live through
it, but you'll probably befinancially devastated
afterwards if that person livesand they sue you for everything.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
And that's if you win .
Yeah, that's if you win, letalone if you lose.
Yeah, yeah, there there is.
If your church has a school,there are some extra legal
concerns there, uh, just due tothe federal and state state laws
and things of that nature.
So be aware of that.

(02:05:48):
Um, yeah, you should.
Yeah, if.
Yes, I would say don't like if.
If you just got your carrypermit and you just got a, a gun
, and I mean, and you don't havea setup yet, don't prevent it
from you, don't let it preventyou from hearing tomorrow,
necessarily.
But if you're going to put themoney into the gun, into the

(02:06:10):
ammo, into the training and youshould all do that put the money
in the carry insurance too yeah, and it's pretty affordable.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
Uh, I think uscca is like one of the higher ones and
I think it's like 30 bucks amonth or something for it, um,
or maybe a little bit, maybe 35,but there's some very
affordable ones out there.
You've got, like, uh, attorneyson retainer.
Uh, they're not an actualreinsurance, I believe they're
the way they're set up.
They're just you're paying thema retainer fee, basically every

(02:06:39):
month, because the issue yourun into with carry insurance is
insurance cannot cover anillegal act.
Yeah, so if you end up havingto use your firearm and you get
arrested and charged and youlose, like they cannot cover you
for that because it was anillegal act, so they may have to
come after you for any moniesthey spent on your trial, and
that's kind of something thatthey can't really do anything
about because it's insurance.

(02:06:59):
It was an illegal act, so theymay have to come after you for
any monies they spent on yourtrial, and that's kind of
something that they can't reallydo anything about because it's
insurance.
Attorneys on retainer is you'rebasically just paying a
retainer and they're spreadloading the cost of these trials
, right.
It's kind of like theseChristian health programs, right
.
It works in much the same way.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
Who?
Who was that?
That you said that uh has areview of all of them uh, I
can't remember.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
He said the website is christian warrior trainingcom
, he'sa.
He's got a really good youtubechannel too.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
David, I would be curious as to why you say don't
get uscca, because that's theone I have.

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
Uscca has had some issues lately where they have
not covered people that shouldhave been covered and they've
kind of had a lot of egg ontheir face.
Now, because of the backlashthey've had about it, they have
changed some things about theirpolicies.
They're they're a little bitbetter.
In fact, the guy from Christianwarrior training, he talks
about a lot of that and he wentand had a sit down talk with

(02:08:01):
them, cause he he reviews themevery year, cause they change
every year, yeah, and so he wentand had to sit down and talk
with them about it and they havechanged a lot towards.
You know that won't happenagain.
But, um, USCCA is a very bigorganization now.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
Um, cause I I first went with them like it's got to
be 15 years ago, yeah somethinglike that and there wasn't too
many options at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:08:30):
Yeah, there's a lot more options now.
Um, law shield out of texas, Ithink, is another good one.
Um, no, but just do your duediligence and research and, and
you know, you can just gothrough youtube and see reviews
on these things if you want to,instead of having to read it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
Is Christian Warheath training Eastern Orthodox.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
I think he's Protestant.
I know he's Protestant.
Well, I mean he could be either, but probably Protestant.
Yeah, I mean, most Orthodox,especially online Orthodox, are
just Protestant nature.
Anyway, let's see anything else.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
Or or they're actually like a Eastern European
and they don't worry aboutthings like carry insurance for
their AKs.
They're in Macrobs.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
Yeah, they got their Adidas jumpsuits.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Um, was there anything else?

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
I don't think I saw anything, so this one I want to
show real quick.
I didn't, I don't know, but shedidn't talk on her talk like
someone who goes to mass uh,yeah, it did.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
It did sound very protestant.
It was very prostant I, so I'min.
Everything I'm about to say iscomplete 100 speculation, don't
listen to me.
Um, it wouldn't surprise me if,if her going back to mass and I
mean there are pictures of themat mass um, if, if they're, if

(02:10:12):
them going to mass was lessabout her returning to the faith
and more him actually inquiringand leading the whole family
back there.
Yeah, because, because, judgingfrom from what I know of him
and I've learned, at least thelast few days anyways, about him
, like he seems like one whowouldn't necessarily have his

(02:10:37):
wife lead him to a church hedidn't want to go to.
You know what I mean.
Like, yeah, so that that Iguess that if I had to guess,
that's what I would say, but II'm probably wrong yeah, and I
would hope and it's.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
He comes off like a man who is more the head of his
family, more the leader, um,than his wife is, and she seems
somewhat submissive to him Now,with her wanting to run TPUSA.
I could be completely wrong.
She might be a girl boss, whoknows.
But you know, I could see thathappening.

(02:11:12):
Because I think, mostespecially now, a lot of men are
starting to reevaluate thefaith that they grew up in,
whether they're Protestant orCatholic, right and cause even
if you're Catholic, like you'rereally like, is this it?
Like?
You know my, my pastor'stelling me that you know we got
to help more immigrants come in,like, is that really what I'm
supposed to be doing?
And then they find out.

(02:11:32):
Then I think COVID dispelledall that latin mass.
Look like and hear the homilyand like, wow, like this is not
what I'm used to hearing at all.
Well, let's see what else did?

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
did you hear how they um, how they met and ended up
starting to go out?
So that that that story is whatkind of leads me to my
conclusion there.
So I guess she was actuallyinterviewing for a job with
TPUSA.
She was running some sort ofwell, she still runs some sort

(02:12:10):
of clothing brand, but she wasinterviewing for a job.
And so they had like a lunchinterview and at the end of the
lunch and the interview, charliemore or less said something
along the lines of like I can'toffer you the job, but that's

(02:12:31):
because I'm going to date youinstead.
And he went along with it, Iguess.
So, just from that story andother things, it wouldn't
surprise me if maybe he wasactually the catalyst towards
them.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Yeah, looking into catholicism, but I might be
wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
No, no, yeah, I turned a female, avoiding
babylon.

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
No thank you, we get, uh see margo and somebody else
on who would be the femaleanthony.
You know who it'd be.
You know exactly who to be thefemale Anthony.
You know who it would be.
You know exactly who it wouldbe.
Have you seen that comedian,whatever his name is?
You haven't seen her.
I'm gonna start saying herstuff.
She is a female Anthony, 100%she's the guy like the Italian

(02:13:16):
New York accent, real bad.
Actually.
I sent it to Anthony.
I was like I was like, did youget AI to switch, switch you and
make you into a woman?

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
Is this Taffy's work?

Speaker 2 (02:13:28):
He is a miracle worker you never know.
It could very well be him.

Speaker 1 (02:13:36):
The other day for yesterday's show.
No, not yesterday.
Today's Monday, whatever, thelast show where we started off
talking about loft and yeah, hegoes.
I didn't have time to make onefor today, but I just made this
one randomly a few days ago andit's the one with the loft and
the furry gimp suit.
It's like you just make thesefor fun and have them ready to

(02:13:56):
go for random occasions younever know when you got to pull
out a random meme you know he'sa lawyer, he might, he might,
they might not give him a lot ofwork, or he may be really
really good.

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
Uh man, when I was watching that wagner takedown of
lofton, um, and it was just, itwas surgical, it was precise,
um, because you surgical?
It was precise?
Cause, you know, like I'vealways had an issue with Lofton,
because he's never had a friend, he isn't willing to stab in
the back, and it's just amazingto me that people still put

(02:14:34):
stock in this guy.
Yeah, and like I, and to behonest with you, they don't
really, because the amount ofsubscribers he has, the amount
of views he has, it's, it is so.
I think a lot of hissubscriptions are probably bots,
I would think.

Speaker 1 (02:14:47):
The problem is especially with some of the
YouTube analysis tools that Iuse and that are out there.
It's hard to get a real feelfor his metrics because he
removes so many videos.
When you unlist a video ordelete it off of YouTube in your
metrics it removes so manyvideos.
When you, when you like, unlista video or delete it off of
youtube in your metrics itremoves all those views.
So when I go to look at like,how he's done last month

(02:15:09):
compared to us and compared toother similar channels, you
can't ever tell because he's inthe negative hundreds of
thousands of views because ofvideos he's removed, because
he's now at odds with theposition he held, you know, one,
two, three years ago.
So it's yeah.
But my favorite part of of uh,christian's video, of wagner's

(02:15:30):
video, was, I mean, obviously,yeah, like you said he, like I
texted him, I'm like youbasically publicly executed him
on air, um.
But my favorite part wasactually the not so much the
stuff about Lofton, it was justmore the stuff about the
passions and just what real hopeis and how he put it a very

(02:15:57):
interesting way.
He was saying that you have toconsume the black pills.
You have to keep consuming theblack pills so that you lose
hope in everything but God, thatyou lose hope in man and in men
in general, and all you haveleft then is hope in God, and I
thought that was a veryinsightful thing for him to talk

(02:16:22):
about.

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
It's hard for people to put themselves in that
situation, though, where they'reconstantly seeing how evil
things are or how bad things are, because we're not to put our
trust in princes.
And it's so much easier to justattach yourself to a cult of
personality, because then younot only that, but then you
build a community out of it.
You have an instant community.
You can be a cult ofpersonality, because then you
not only that, but then youbuild a community out of it,
like you have an instantcommunity you can be a part of.

(02:16:45):
You know we're all, you knowmanga or whatever you know it is
.
But, um, when you startrealizing that, like, no one is
good and in god is the only rockyou can attach yourself to.
But then it gives you an extraperspective of empathy as well,
because the amount of horriblethings I've seen in my life and

(02:17:11):
done as well.
I have a lot more empathybecause I've seen those horrible
things for other people who maybe going through very similar
things.
Because, as most guys have had,when I I was younger, I had a
very abusive girlfriend, likeverbally, emotionally and uh,
and now it's like it's so muchworse for guys now who are

(02:17:34):
dating and they're having todeal with these very
narcissistic girl boss womenthat like man, like you, just
got to have empathy for theseguys because they have to deal
with this, because it's so muchworse now than it was 20, 25
years ago, when I was stilldating.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Michael's chat was thanking himfor bringing the truth today.
Yeah, I don't understand how.
I don't understand people whowatch him.

Speaker 2 (02:18:08):
I mean, it's a no one remains a Lofton fan, right,
because eventually almost everyhe's reliant on a constantly new
set of people constantly comingin and not seeing his BS.
Yeah, um, and the thing that'shelping that is his high
subscriber count, right, because?
And then some people hatewatching, right, um, and they're

(02:18:31):
subscribed just to watch thestupid stuff he says.
Um, but it he requires, justlike protest churches, they.
He has to have a constantstream of new people coming, new
people to the faith, because itsounds like he knows what he's
talking about but he distortsthings so much because of his
narcissism, because it reallyall has to be about him is what

(02:18:52):
it all comes down to, and he'svery, very big on credentials.
Well, you don't have the degreesI've got, so you're not
educated enough to know the finenuances.
You know that kind of talk andit's it's.
It's honestly, he's somebody.

(02:19:12):
We were talking about thisearlier.
You know, someone was talkingabout how they're appreciative
it was in the telegram chat.
They're talking about howthey're appreciative of the
Disney films lately because theyhave helped women to start see
the red flags right like infrozen.
They're not.
You know the love bombing ofwhatever the guy is, you know or
the narcissism entangled rightum, and I was thinking back.

(02:19:34):
I'm like man, maybe that's youknow.
While watching those with mykids, I've been able to see
those things as well a littlebit better, because that's what
I see in him the narcissism.
It drips from every bit of himand it's sad because it's pushed
everybody away from him.
It has.

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Everyone he's collaborated within the past is like he said
he's never met someone he wasn'twilling to stab in the back and
he, he really did steal.
You know, it's flow guys hereally.

Speaker 2 (02:20:12):
No, you know, I told us not to tell, but that was I'm
just glad that the vaticanfinally invited him over so they
can get his input, because Idon't know what we would do
without the magisterium oflofton I love how he made it
seem like he got all thisspecial treatment when he got
nothing more than the other fivethousand, than everyone else
did.
Yeah guys, they were.

(02:20:33):
They're really listening to melike bro he.
You know what he sounds like.
You know, back in the day inamerican idol and somebody would
get up and they they could notsing very well, but they were
convinced that they could.
That's what he is.
He's an American Idolcontestant that's screaming like
a cat scratching a chalkboard.
He just doesn't realize that.

(02:20:54):
Who has he had around that hasstayed around?
That hasn't been a badcharacter?
No one.
He's obviously not a good judgeof people.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
Yeah, we could talk more about that, not so much him
but let's see who recently hashad who has promoted him.
Let's see Voice of Reason.
There's a couple others thathave made it on big shows
recently.

Speaker 2 (02:21:41):
I think a question we need to ask is when are we
going to do something about MattFred and Paisa the Clowness he
keeps promoting some of theworst people.

Speaker 1 (02:21:52):
I know that's who I was talking about.
Who was it that they just hadon that Anthony was complaining
about on Twitter how they'llhave everyone on except him.
Who was that Gosh?
Who was that?

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
Well, you know the reason they won't have Anthony
on Because he complains about it.
Well, that's probably a littlebit, because he's unpredictable,
that's true, they don't knowwhat he's going to say Right,
and it's going to be realsuspicious when they put a Pints
of the Kindness and it's only45 minutes long, because they
had to cut up some time, becauseeveryone knows Anthony's not
talking Well.

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
one any Pints show is only 45 minutes.
That one with Anthony will.
Oh Ubi Petrus.

Speaker 2 (02:22:37):
Yeah well, he's a eugenicist.
Apparently Anybody with lessthan 93 IQ he's willing to just
upload ironically, his accountdisappeared shortly after that.

Speaker 1 (02:22:47):
He must have realized what his own IQ was.

Speaker 2 (02:22:50):
his track record lately has not been good, not
been good at all.
It's a it's.
It's.
It's shocking to me, and I saythat in the most bland way to
say shocking.
It's shocking to me, and I saythat in the most bland way to
say shocking.
The larger a channel gets andthe more vanilla they become.

(02:23:14):
Matt Fred used to have somereally good guests, but as he
got bigger and he didn't want torock the boat, his guests got
more and more vanilla right,which is why he won't have
anybody on to give the counterargument for the SSPX Right and
he keeps having on all thesebigger platform people so they
can get him more views and moresubscriptions.

(02:23:35):
So I don't know if that's hismanagement company set.
Somebody told me that he has amanagement company who who does
all his guests?

Speaker 1 (02:23:44):
And if you're, at that point, a management company
that does that for a lot ofyeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23:49):
If you're at that point where you no longer have
creative control of what you'redoing, why are you doing it Like
now it's a nine to five, likethat's not what.
That's what I assume, that'swhat most people didn't get into
content creation to just have a9 to 5 yeah, that's what you're
trying to avoid usually.

Speaker 1 (02:24:09):
Yeah, I just want to avoid Anthony.

Speaker 2 (02:24:14):
I'm surprised he hasn't bopped in yet.
He's probably asleep now.

Speaker 3 (02:24:17):
We're way too late for him.

Speaker 2 (02:24:19):
I get up at 4am so I can sit in the truck and watch
YouTube all day now.
We're way too late for him.
I get up at 4 am so I can sitin the truck and watch YouTube
all day.

Speaker 1 (02:24:28):
Yeah, so I put out a clip at noon and I had it ready
to go at 6 am and I'd like toget those early, get those ready
early.
So after it's scheduled on ourpage, you can go in and see if
he wants to tweak the title,thumbnail, stuff like that.
Yeah, I didn't hear anything.
Clip went live.
It was like 45 minutes afterthe clip went live.

(02:24:49):
He's like oh, we got to changethe title.
I'm like why didn't you tell meseven hours ago he goes, cause
I was actually having to worktoday.

Speaker 2 (02:24:57):
That's the worst word when I was in the marines, uh,
you, you always wanted to avoidworking parties because they,
like, I think one time they cameby and snatched a bunch of us
up, um, just to go, uh, fieldday, like the, the shooting
ranges, basically look for extrabrass that hadn't been out,
because when you go shooting youhave to get all that brass up.

(02:25:18):
And uh, we, I think we had likean inspection or something over
the base and man, like, the sadpart is I, I was a, I was a nco
at the time, so I wasn't doingany work, I was just telling
everybody else to do it.
Um, but the sad part is myentire unit was nothing but ncos
, so none of us were doing anywork because we're ncos, I mean

(02:25:40):
we don't work, we tell the otherguys to do it Right, and so,
like, we had an entire sectionof the range that still had a
bunch of brass on it Cause wewere not picking it up.

Speaker 3 (02:25:50):
We just weren't doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:52):
We got in so much trouble for that.
That's funny, well, I thinkit's time.

Speaker 1 (02:25:57):
I think it's funny.
Well, I think it's time.

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
I think it's time.
It is time.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
Hopefully next week we don't have some sort of
terrible tragedy.
We need to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:26:11):
Oh man, I hope not Let next week be a super boring
show.
I hope so, let's.
Let's let next week be waterpurification.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
We are going to set this on the stove and we are
going to watch it boil togethereveryone, because the week after
that we're doing some medicalright.

Speaker 2 (02:26:38):
Yeah, we're doing medical on the 29th Next week.
I don't really, I don't knowwhat you want to do.

Speaker 1 (02:26:47):
I don't know, man.
What does everyone want us todo?
You want?

Speaker 3 (02:26:51):
to have any opinions?

Speaker 1 (02:26:53):
You want to talk about EDC stuff?

Speaker 2 (02:26:58):
We can.
We can go over to EDC and whatI carry every day, what you
carry every day, what I shouldbe carrying every day, we can do
that.

Speaker 1 (02:27:09):
And if something else comes up or someone gets a good
idea, we'll do that.

Speaker 2 (02:27:13):
I'm sure something will.
I'm surprised nothing happenedon September 11th.
No, there was something thathappened on September 11th no
there was something happened onseptember 11th.

Speaker 1 (02:27:26):
Was there like a school shooting or something?
No, that happened on the 10thwith.
Oh, that was on the 10th aswell.
Yeah, and that guy has that kidhad connections to the same
groups that the annunciationshooter had the acceleration
nihilist man like.

Speaker 2 (02:27:38):
So that's another thing.
Y'all need to go watch fordobserver um mike shelby's on the
gray zone intel or gray zonewarlord.
Gray zone, the warlord um we,he's been reporting on all these
far left antifa groups for along, long time.
Um, he's put out a report aboutit and he you've got one in

(02:28:02):
your state, you've got one inyour city, 100 guaranteed um,
they're everywhere um, andthey've especially if you have a
college or university yes,absolutely.
Um.
So I would check him out andlook at that stuff so you can be
aware of what's going on aroundyou, because if you're all in a

(02:28:22):
fog of war right now and youcan do something about it, you
can find out what's around you.
And he's got a lot of backwards, you know, back reporting about
a lot of stuff.
So maybe I'll talk to him seeif I can get him on soon too,
I'm sure he would like to comeon.

Speaker 1 (02:28:36):
Yeah, that'd be very interested in that.

Speaker 2 (02:28:39):
Yeah, he's a good talk.

Speaker 1 (02:28:41):
Alright, guys, more gun content, more pew-pew, more
pew-pew.
But see, if we do that we'lllose people like Mrs C, who
wants us to talk about pantrystuff.

Speaker 2 (02:28:54):
Hey, we can talk about my wife's wheat grinder
and making flour.
In fact she made five loaves ofbread a day.
Did you know you cannot getorganic wheat, berries or flour
in the United States at all?
That comes from the UnitedStates.

Speaker 1 (02:29:17):
Really, because I know there is a Catholic family
who sells it, but I guess Idon't know if it's organic.

Speaker 2 (02:29:26):
So there's a few farms that are starting to build
it up.
Four Brothers is one.
Wheat berries from them.
Wheat berries last a whole lotlonger and the bread just tastes
a lot better.
But most of it comes fromFrance.
So, like, costco sells organicflour, but it's not from the
united states, it's from francelet me, let me look this up,
because I am almost 100 surethat's everyone's.

(02:29:49):
Gluten issues is because of thechemicals and such that are in
the flour so grains from theplains.

Speaker 1 (02:29:56):
Have you heard of them?
No, they knew.
Uh, so they're.
They're a catholic family.

Speaker 2 (02:30:02):
You're starting to see more pop up.
I went to the uh, the homesteadfestival in tennessee this
summer with my wife and therewas a new one there I had never
heard of yet, um, and so, yeah,I'm glad I'm seeing more and
more of them pop up.

Speaker 1 (02:30:15):
So this is um where they had of we uh, let me look
here.
We had talked about doingpotential sponsorships.

Speaker 2 (02:30:28):
They've talked to you all about doing that
Potentially yeah, lincoln CountyColorado.
Colorado.
Did you say Colorado, colorado.
Okay, good, really.

Speaker 1 (02:30:43):
No, this is not how this works.
I lecture like Anthony Baradatalk.

Speaker 2 (02:30:50):
I speak the proper Queen's English.
I don't know if you do that, soI guess they have organic wheat
berries.
Good.
I wonder if they grow itthemselves.
The issue is it's so hard togrow wheat without pesticides.
It's real hard.

Speaker 1 (02:31:08):
Look at this, I'll see if I can make this bigger.
Give me a second.
We are not legally allowed touse the O word organic, since we
are not certified, but wefollow organic standards.
We do not grow gmos or use anychemical fertilizers and
insecticides, pesticides oranything else artificial.

(02:31:29):
So yeah, you're right, youwon't see organic certified,
yeah at.

Speaker 2 (02:31:36):
Uh, as miss steve said, yeah, azure does sell some
um, but it's it's only recentlyhas it come from the United
States.
Prior to that it was coming infrom France.
So you can't just go to Publixand get organic.
I mean, you can get organicflour from Publix I think King
Arthur sells it but it's notactually organic.

(02:31:59):
So it's the same thing with,like, grass fed beef, as long as
it's fed grass.
51% of the time it's grass fedbeef, right, and so they're like
they get all around a lot ofthese things a lot of times.
So that's been the trouble forus.
Like we eat all organic.
Now, well, at home we eat allorganic, right, we still go out

(02:32:20):
to eat occasionally.
So we're about like an 80-20life, but it's, I am almost.
Since I've been just been, Idon't eat bread out.
Usually I try not to, but I cantell when I do, like I can't
eat pizza anymore.
It just I'm not the same, it'sjust my body doesn't like it.

(02:32:41):
Like the Toxic Avenger.
It's horrible.
I try not to eat pizza anymore.
I don't like the way it makesme feel anymore.
That sucks, because I lovepizza.

Speaker 1 (02:32:53):
Did you eat pizza when we ordered it at 11 o'clock
when we were drinking in NorthCarolina?
How did that go for?

Speaker 2 (02:33:00):
you Not good?
Not good at all, it was not.
I'm glad I had my own room.

Speaker 1 (02:33:07):
I'll say that I mean it could have been worse.
Could have drank half a gallonof chocolate milk that night.

Speaker 2 (02:33:15):
I've seen some crazy cocktails in my life.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
I've drank some stupid stuff.
I've seen some crazy cocktailsin my life, but I've never seen
a man.

Speaker 2 (02:33:23):
Stupid stuff.
I've never seen a man mixchocolate milk with a liquor.
Was it bourbon or something?
It was something brown.
I know that.

Speaker 1 (02:33:35):
I think it was cheap bourbon?

Speaker 2 (02:33:37):
Was it cheap bourbon?
I think so, and that boy washaving a good old time for about
30 minutes till he wasn't, andthen he was no longer having a
good time.
Now the rest of us were nothaving a good time.
But yeah, what y'all do, getthem to, um, I mean, you have

(02:33:59):
them, send it to me and I'lltest it.
I'll check it out, have my wifegrind it real quick and we'll
make some bread okay we'll testit out.

Speaker 1 (02:34:06):
I think the last we had talked they were maybe going
to send uh.
My wife bakes.
We don't have a a grinder millor anything like that, so they
were uh.
We were talking about maybegetting uh.
They're going to send some justlike just some ground wheat
samples, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:34:25):
The reason that you don't really want to buy ground
flour.
I mean you can't Whatever, whenyou grind the wheat berries
yourself, it keeps.
A lot of the minerals arebasically gone after 24 hours.

Speaker 1 (02:34:37):
It's like coffee grounds.

Speaker 2 (02:34:38):
That's why freshly ground coffee is so much better
than yeah yeah, but I meaneating organic flour is way
better than eating that garbageat the grocery store.
That's why we have all thesepeople with gluten issues.
It's because of the flour.
The same thing with corn.
You, you actually can't getorganic corn in the united
states.

Speaker 1 (02:34:56):
It's all gmo yeah, I believe that.
Well, yeah, because.
Because the corn that was herewhen white people got here does
not look like what we eat now.

Speaker 2 (02:35:08):
Same thing with bananas.
Have you seen what bananasoriginally looked like?

Speaker 1 (02:35:12):
Yes, you know why banana candy tastes different,
right?

Speaker 2 (02:35:19):
Why banana candy tastes different.

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
Than the bananas we eat, because the when they
developed that art, thatartificial flavor, they were
matching it to a variety ofbanana that's extinct now.
So, yeah, it doesn't taste likebananas we eat now, because it
was a completely differentbanana that is completely gone
now.

Speaker 2 (02:35:42):
Isn't it strawberry flavoring?
It's not actually strawberry,it's like beaver gland.

Speaker 1 (02:35:51):
I don't know if it's beaver.
It's something You're rightthough.

Speaker 2 (02:35:54):
I'm going to look it up.
I'm a beaver gland enjoyer.

Speaker 1 (02:36:00):
That's another thing.
Wild strawberries are the sizeof small raspberries, that's
another fruit we'veFrankensteined into something
crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:36:16):
Look, I'm a big fan of strawberry milk and
thankfully.
I'm not lactose intolerant.
It comes from a beaver buttgland Ethylmethylphenylglycinate
, also known as strawberryaldehyde.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:36:31):
So it comes from a beaver butt gland.
You drink that with yourbourbon?
Look, I'll try everything once.
I used to love Irish car bombs.
I think they call themboilermakers now, but those are
my favorite.

Speaker 2 (02:36:48):
That's my favorite shot, is it?
Yeah, that's a big shot.

Speaker 1 (02:36:50):
I don't know if I call that a shot well, I don't
know what else to call it,though that's a.

Speaker 2 (02:36:54):
That's a mixed drink.
See, we got another strawberrymilk enjoyer over here.
Yeah, I got.
I took my, my son uh fishinglast summer and uh, I stopped
him.
Like every time I do like adaddy and son day, I always get

(02:37:15):
like the most horrible food forus to eat of course we went
camping a couple weekends agoago, and I bought them zebra
cakes, because we never eatthose at home.

Speaker 1 (02:37:23):
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:37:24):
So I got to give them a reason to want to enjoy this
stuff, right, because fishing issuper boring for kids.
But I got these powdered donutsand strawberry milk and we're
out there fishing and he'seating his strawberry donuts.
I ate the first one.
I'm like this tastes weird andI'm like, no, you know whatever.
Like I've eaten worse.
You know I've eaten.
You know mres off the ground inafghanistan they can't do that

(02:37:46):
bad right.
And I look at the donuts andthey're all molded and I've
already had like two.
By this point I was like well,at least you know I'm not gonna
get sick because I'm eatingpenicillin you're like son.

Speaker 1 (02:38:00):
Remember how we talked about the one day daddy
might not be here.
Well, daddy just did somethingstupid.
You need to drive me to thehospital.

Speaker 2 (02:38:09):
I know you're five.
I know you're five, you're fine.
Keep your hands on ten and two.
Just don't push the right pedaltoo hard, you'll be fine.
Just keep using your horn.

Speaker 1 (02:38:28):
Yeah exactly, airweight revolvers, airweight
revolvers.
They are a pain in the butt toshoot.
That's all I'm going to say.
What's an airweight?

Speaker 2 (02:38:40):
revolver.

Speaker 1 (02:38:43):
It's Smith wesson.
It has a some of their.
They call some of theirrevolvers air weights.
No, they're just like umaluminum frame.
They're just super light, likesome of their j frames.

Speaker 2 (02:38:55):
Uh okay, they're just super that shows you how little
I shoot revolvers.
I had a guy.
So when I teach, like I'mteaching a concealed carry
course here to my parish heresoon, I had a guy.
He showed up with his grandpa'srevolver and I had to teach him
a different way to shootbecause he kept trying to hold

(02:39:16):
the firearm like everybody else.
Like you know, with a good gripon, like a striker fired, you
can't do that with a revolverbecause the cylinder it's going
to burn your hand.
You can't do that he didn'tlisten to me and he ended up
having a burn going down likehalf his hand, but now he
carries a block.
That was a good day.
Alright, I think we've milkedthis, this one, enough.

(02:39:43):
Beaver, glands and all hey,beaver glands, don't try.
Don't knock it till you try atleast once.
All right, guys, we'll lety'all go, are y'all?
Y'all got a show tomorrow nightyeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (02:40:01):
So.
I think, uh, oh, what did?
What was the title gonna be?
Um, I don't remember.
Anthony sent me a title.
Oh uh, spiritual but notreligious people are ruining the
country.
Nice, gonna make friends yes,absolutely you will.

Speaker 2 (02:40:23):
That'll be a fun one just yeah, it'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:40:30):
Um, other than that, let's see what else is coming up
.
Um, I don't know what we haveThursday.
Next Monday we'll do something,I don't know what.
The next week, but I know next,not this weekend, but next
weekend is Sebastian's baptism,where Anthony's coming into town

(02:40:51):
.
Hopefully we'll get to meetanyone who's within driving
distance of the Minneapolis StPaul.
You're all invited.
I know a few number of peopleare going to be coming.
I don't know if we'll do anin-person show.
We're not, probably not.
I think we just want to hangout.
Anthony's never met my wife inperson.

(02:41:11):
He's only met one of my kids inperson.
I've never met his wife inperson so, and we're probably
just going to hang out and notdo shows that weekend.
But it should be a fun time.

Speaker 2 (02:41:23):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Man, I can't even fathom havingto push out of baptism that
long.
It's rough.
I bet you're super anxious.

Speaker 1 (02:41:34):
Yeah, so our first one was longer because we were,
I had just come back to thechurch, my wife hadn't even
converted quite yet, so ourfirst one we just scheduled six
weeks out.
But uh, yeah, ever since thenit's been quicker than this.
But, um, it was important forus to do, to do the trad baptism

(02:41:55):
.
So, yeah, no, the titlecurrently is not.
Our Greatest Allies AreResponsible.

Speaker 2 (02:42:06):
Not yet anyways, it could be Israel.
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:42:13):
We don't want to get assassinated.

Speaker 2 (02:42:16):
I'm too low on the totem pole to worry about that.
So far, I'm not even worth the30-06 round.

Speaker 1 (02:42:27):
Oh man, you know, and that's how you know, it was
just some.
It wasn't some highly trainedoperative.
They didn't use three througheight Lapua or Winchester Magnum
or something.

Speaker 2 (02:42:43):
They used.
If it were Israel, they wouldhave used 5.56.
Because it's so ubiquitous,it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:42:50):
And it will get that job done in 200 yards, even in
200 yards.

Speaker 2 (02:42:53):
It's not going to affect the ballistics whatsoever
, especially if they had a20-inch barrel.
Absolutely not Okay.
I'm not going to be drawn intoany more conversations, bellator
this is my Midwest Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (02:43:08):
Goodbyes, right here.

Speaker 2 (02:43:10):
I did an Irish goodbye.
You just won't see me on thecamera anymore.
Just go okay.

Speaker 1 (02:43:16):
Well, we're leaving for real this time, guys, so
thank you all.
We'll see you tomorrow with Antor next Monday for the two of
us, so have a good nighteveryone.
Thank you.

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