The Most Important Naval Battle You’ve Never Heard Of

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SPEAKER_03 (00:27):
Oy Vey, I've realized we have been pretty
anti-Semitic.
We need to shut that down.

SPEAKER_04 (00:33):
That is what seven thousand dollars gets you,
everyone.
It's October 7th, Rob.
How could you play that?
Are you sick?
What are you talking about?
Why would I not play that?
Are you crazy?
The Feast of the Most HolyRosary.
Why would I not play that?

SPEAKER_05 (00:48):
I can't believe you've played that.
That's just outlandish.
Anyway.
And we have Ryan Grant joiningus shortly.
Um stop.
Get me off screen.
I hate this.

(01:09):
Knock it off.
Okay, so we have Ryan Grantjoining us shortly.
Um I uh I I actually texted Robbefore the show and I said, I
think we need to start payingvery close attention to the
liturgical calendar because alot of the Marian feast days on

(01:29):
the liturgical calendar arethere because they mark a
historical event in Catholichistory, like something
something significant in inCatholic history, and they're
usually named after a Marionfeast day, but they something
important happened.
They they attribute it to OurLady's intercession, and then
they put it on the calendar.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52):
I just would like to point out I brought this up like
two or three years ago, andyou're like, No, no, no one will
watch those.
No, that's not what I said.
That's basically what you said.

SPEAKER_05 (02:01):
No, I said I don't have the time to like learn
about this stuff, but whathappened today?
So I'm look, I'm uh like goingto the traditional liturgy for
what seven years now.
Um, I've heard about the Battleof Lepanto for years.
Uh, here's my request for theLepanto poem in Hawaiian Pigeon
Chester Chin and Pigeon.
Yeah, they wanted in Hawaiianpigeon.

(02:22):
Um, uh, possibly we could maybepossibly do Hawaiian pigeon
chest of it.
Not no more scripture.
I I felt dirty after doingscripture.
Yeah, yeah, no scripture, butum, but uh so what happened
today.
Uh I I've been hearing about theBattle of Lepanto forever.
Our friend Michael Hitchborne,one of our best friends, has the
Lepanto Institute, but I'venever done a deep dive into it,

(02:46):
and I spent the whole day todaylearning about the Battle of
Lepanto, and not just that, I Ifell in love with Pope St.
Pius the Fifth.

SPEAKER_04 (02:54):
I have it in Pigeon, by the way, whenever you're
ready.

SPEAKER_05 (02:56):
I'm sure.
Um, I fell in love with Pope St.
Pius V today.
Um, the events that werehappening in Europe during his
papacy are just unbelievable.
You have in 1571, so so he onlyhad a six-year papacy.
He's he's elected pope in 1566and he dies in 1572.

SPEAKER_04 (03:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (03:18):
He he he basically is elected pope right after the
council of Trent closes.
He uh uh gives us the TridentineMass, like he's the one who
actually you know puts it downuh uh formally.
I don't know what that would becalled, but um probably he
probably gets it.
There you go.
There you go.
He promulgates uh uh the tridentthe tridentine mass, he

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excommunicates Elizabeth theFirst, who's this is after Henry
VIII.
His it's Henry the Eighth'sdaughter, she's basically
slaughtering Catholics inEngland.
He excommunicates her and tellsCatholics they no longer owe her
fealty.
Like you guys don't have toactually obey her.
Um, you have he Can you imaginea Pope doing that today?

(04:05):
Unbelievable.
Like he calls together the HolyLeague, Mike.
Uh so Mike Lewis is in the chat.
Um, my priest brother's firsthomily as a deacon was 14 years
ago today.
He preached on the rosary in thebattle of Le Ponto.
Mike, we're going to do yourarticle, and I'm gonna uh
because uh Mike Mike wrote anarticle about Trads.
He mentioned me and BrianHoldsworth in it.

(04:26):
Um, and I think he has some faircriticisms in it.
So um, if you want to stickaround for that, Mike, if you if
you can I give Mike a can I giveMike a free local subscription?

SPEAKER_04 (04:38):
We're giving Mike Lewis a free local can I give
Mike a free local subscription?
I'm gonna charge you personallyfive dollars for it.

SPEAKER_05 (04:49):
Mike, DM me your email, I'll get you one.
Uh we can do that.
I'll get you a free local sub,Mike.
Um, but we yeah, so we have RyanGrant coming on, but I think
he'll be a good guest for goingthrough some of Mike's
critiques.
So we'll go we'll do that.
But um, so Pope St.
Pius V is Pope during all ofthese tumultuous events in
history.

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So while this is going on,France is kind of at war with
Spain and they're allied likewith the with the Muslims in
some ways, because they kind ofwant the Muslims to defeat
Spain.

SPEAKER_04 (05:22):
Spain, so were the German Protestants, so were the
German Protestants, right?

SPEAKER_05 (05:27):
Now, Spain just discovered the new world, so
they kind of have theirresources stretched.
Uh okay, that's kind of funny.
So you have um uh Spain is kindof uh extended it in the new
world, right?
They're they're down in the inthe west Indies and they're you

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know dealing with what they haveover there, so they don't really
want to get involved.
England is in turmoil becausethey just had their revolution
in their country.
So what happens is Pope St.
Pius V calls together the HolyLeague, but the Holy League, it
it's basically Charles V'sbastard son comes to this.

(06:12):
Uh so Ryan just popped in.
Um, Ryan, I watched your uhvideo today on on the Battle of
Lepanto.
Uh you did it a couple of yearsago on Steve Cunningham.

SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Right, that was years ago, goodness.
I almost forgot about that.

SPEAKER_05 (06:27):
And I got a chance to watch that.
So we've I've been looking for agood show to have you come on.
I didn't want to have you justcome on for some random, you
know, shoot the crap showbecause like you're you're
you're somebody who can actuallybring some substance and value
to a conversation.
So this conversation is one ofthe perfect ones to have you on
for.
So when you mentioned that youwere free tonight, I was very

(06:48):
happy.

SPEAKER_04 (06:48):
Yeah, we bring other people like Joshua Charles on
for the stupid crap shows.

SPEAKER_05 (06:51):
Yes, exactly.
He's he's here for our lowbrowcommentary, but um, so yeah, so
I I I was just telling them Ihaven't I've never done like a
deep dive into the Battle ofLepanto, and I fell in love with
Pope St.
Pius V today, just learningabout the whole situation that's
going on in the world duringthis time, and and I was getting

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to the part where so Charles V'sbastard son then comes to lead
the poly league.
Now, the it's kind ofinteresting because at this time
you have primogeniture is a verybig thing in Europe.
So second-born sons don't reallyhave an inheritance, so they are
typically the guys who will goand join like the Knights

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Templar and all these differentleagues because they want to
kind of make a name forthemselves because they don't
have this inheritance of landsand things like that.
But Charles V's son, uh Don DonJohn, is not even he's not he's
not even like a legitimate son,he's he's born to a dancer, and
he ends up being legitimized byPhilip II, and then Pius V

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brings him to lead this charge,and it's basically like all of
Europe is in disarray at thistime, and they won't come
together to defend Italy frombeing invaded by the Turkish uh
Ottomans, and he kind of leadsthis charge.

SPEAKER_01 (08:15):
Yeah, and on top of that, before we even get to Le
Panto, the relations between theSpanish and the papacy had
largely broken down, politicallyspeaking.
And, you know, there's noquestion in religion, but
politically, it starts actuallywith um Philip II, you know,
when he's uh after Charles V hadretired and finally made him de

(08:38):
facto king of Spain, Philip uhgets ticked off with Pope Paul
IV, because Pope Paul IV issueda bull, and Trads know this
bull, although we're not goingto talk about the reason why
Trads tend to quote it tonight,Cumex Apostolitas Officio.
And in that bull, apart from thequestions about papal elections
and such, they say that anymonarch, any aristocrat, any

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office of state, any electedhead, you know, also who's
guilty of the crimes of heresyschisms excommunicated and loses
their secular office, too.
So Paul the second uh put uhPhilip II, um Henri II in
France, they're all mad aboutthis.
So what um Philip does, hebreaks off diplomatic relations

(09:23):
with the papacy altogether.
Pius IV kind of works with himand says, Come on, you know,
can't we get something togetherjust to help Trent?
So they he re-establishes, andthen after the Council of Trent,
he you know, Philip you knowbrings in all of Trent's
reforms, and then he breaks offdiplomatic relations again to
show, hey, I'm independent eventhough I'm a true Catholic.

SPEAKER_05 (09:42):
Yeah, so it's like what's also interesting because
I I I was I did like a deep diveinto Pius V same Pope Pius V
today because I didn't reallyknow much about him, right?
But he was a grand inquisitorfor the the Roman Inquisition,
right?
And he actually has a bit of umuh butting heads with Pope Pius

(10:03):
IV because Pope Pius IV wants tomake his 13-year-old nephew a
cardinal, and Pope I I forgotPope Pius V's actual birth name,
but he uh Michael, MichaelGiftieri.
Okay, so he he kind of buttsheads with Pius IV and and says,
No, this isn't this is no good,you can't do this.
And Pope Pius IV sends him outof Rome, and on his way out of

(10:25):
Rome, Pope Pius IV dies, andthen they call a they call a
conclave, and he ends up gettingelected.
And in order to kind of showthat there's no animosity, he
chooses the name Pius V in a wayto try to you know show the
continuity between them and toshow that there's not any
animosity there between them.

(10:46):
It was very diplomatic what hedid, right?

SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
It was also an act of humility on his part, too,
uh, to take the name of someonethat he had suffered under.
Actually, if Paul IV had livedlonger, he might have ended up
uh in jail because what PopePaul IV, at the end of his
reign, he just starts thinkingeverybody's a heretic, starts
putting people in jail atrandom.
And uh what there's a Spanishbishop that Paul IV thinks is a

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heretic, he wants him hauledinto Rome for a trial.
And after Gislieri hadinterviewed him, he said, No,
there's there's nothing wrongwith this.
This he's perfectly orthodox.
And Paul IV is absolutelyfrustrated, he repents of ever
having made Gislieri a cardinal.
And he dies a month later.
So if he was gonna do somethingabout it, he he lost his chance.

SPEAKER_05 (11:28):
The uh man, and I had never read Chesterton's poem
either.
Um, and I read it today, andthere's this one stanza in the
poem that just really stood outto me.
And it's uh, the north is fullof tangled things and text and
aching eyes.
Now he's talking about northernEurope, how they're going
through the reformation andthey're obsessed with sola

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scriptura, right?
That's that's what he's talkingabout there.
And dead is all the innocenceand of anger and surprise, and
Christian killeth Christian innarrow dust in a narrow dusty,
and Christian dreadeth Christthat hath a newer face of doom,
and Christian hateth Mary thatkissed that that God kissed in
Galilee.

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That line, Christian hateth Marythat God kissed in Galilee.
I had to stop reading and likereally think about that.
And it's just what was going onat this time in Europe was just,
and then the last line of thatis but Don John of Austria is
riding to the sea.
That while all of this turmoilis going on in in Europe, and

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you have countries at war witheach other, and nobody will heed
the call to stop them, to stopthe Muslims from coming.
The you get Don John of Austriacomes in with the crusader
spirit, this bastard, and hejust goes in and he's ready to
ready to go and and and takecharge of the situation.
It's a it's a pretty amazingturn of events.

SPEAKER_01 (12:54):
It's an it's an incredible, uh, just all the
movements that are happening,and clearly, you know, you see
God's providential will at work,honestly, with the way which it
was a hopeless situation.
Um, you even had the Turksinvaded Vienna in 1529.
This is not the famous invasionpeople are more familiar with,
where uh Sobieski, the king ofthe Polish Lithuanian
Commonwealth, comes down withthe wing hussars.

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That's 150 years later.
1529, Vienna just barely youknow managed to survive.
And the Turks withdraw theirarmy, you know, and still no,
you know, the the there'sfighting in the Holy Roman
Empire, nobody's they theythey're demanding more
concessions out of Charles V inorder to bring in more troops to
defend the eastern marches ofthe empire.

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Uh the French more or lesssupport the Turks, not directly,
of course, but indirectlybecause that's a way to weaken
the empire in Spain.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 (13:49):
So now now, how much earlier before this is does
Spain drive the Muslims out?
Like is it recent or 1992 aswell?

SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
Yeah, so we're about 80 years or so.

SPEAKER_05 (14:03):
I mean so it's within within a century.

SPEAKER_01 (14:06):
Even then, I mean, they were relegated to the
smaller kingdom of Granada, andso they you know weren't a major
factor in the general Spanishlife.
Then, you know, finally there,you know, Isabel and Ferdinand
lay, you know, waste to theKingdom of Granada and then uh
annex that into the Kingdom ofSpain.
They also reformed the Spanisharmy, and that's one of the

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bigger things than that, becausethey're starting to play a role
in the European stage afterGranada.
They end up intervening inNaples, which had been an
Aragonese possession, and theFrench had taken it over during
the Italian wars, and theyactually reformed the army
because their army was designedto fight you know the Muslims in
Granada and in Andalus, way backin the day.
So they reformed it to make it amore major European army.

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What they do is they pick up onthe Swiss Pike Confederate uh
the Swiss Confederacy, theirpikemen, and in the Holy Roman
Empire, how you had LanzConnects.
And Lance Connects were likeanother reform based on the
Swiss model.
And there was a guy named Martinvon Frusberg, and he's called
the father of the Lans Connects.
He uh was classically trained,and he'd read about Alexander

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the Great's Pike phalances andwhatnot.
He sees the Swiss, and he lookat this disordered mass that's
basically meant to march out tostop our cavalry charges.
What if we could make themmobile, like the ancient phalks
and combine cavalry, the wayAlexander's army was meant to
work, and thus should get youknow the Lance Kinnects, which
in German literally means landknights because they're armored
up like uh a knight onhorseback, yet they you know are

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you know big you know you knowbig masses of pikemen basically.
And they were private militarycorps, they were mercenaries,
they'd go for the highestbidder.
That's why when their paymentgoes into arrears in uh 1527,
they march on Rome, and ofcourse, there's a big contingent
of them that are Lutheranbecause some of the Lance
Connect corps went Lutheran,some were still Catholic.
And but ultimately it you wouldyou'd fight together if uh your

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your pay was good enough, youdidn't care.
So the uh the Spanishincorporate those reforms early
on under Maximilian I, and theysee what's going on there, and
so they incorporate the pike,and they also incorporate it
into swordsmen and and uharchibisers or riflemen, and so
that becomes the Spanish tercio,which is you know a mix of

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pikemen, shot, and swordsmen toguard your flanks.
So they and that became thedominant battle you know unit,
you know, basically until the 30years' war.
So they they and they're on inthey design their ships so they
have large contingents oftercios that can engage using
those same tactics.
And so naval warfare warfare fora very long time was based

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around the Roman principle oftaking a naval battle and
turning it into a land battle,yeah.
Now the the Romans say, yeah,good, and there's uh you know so
with the tercio, the pikemen,you know, they're they're loose
enough where the the arcubuserswill run in, and the way the
arcubus uh works is if you ifyou everyone knows a flintlock,

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right?
You guys shoot a flintlock?
Yeah, a matchlock was the weaponat that time, the archebus, it's
a matchlock.
And the way the match, like doyou guys know much about
matchlocks?
No.

SPEAKER_04 (17:15):
Same thing as flint lock, but instead of using flint
to strike steel and spot.

SPEAKER_01 (17:19):
Yeah, it's a lit rope.
Yeah, it's a rope made out of souh soaked in saltpeter, and it
would uh you you'd light it,you're coil it around your arm,
or there were even little uhhooks on the stock of the the
rifle the way I wouldn't sayrifle, it's the wrong term, but
of the archivist in order to putit in.
Then you'd you know you'd openyour pan, you put your primer
in, you'd you'd close that,you'd you know, do just like

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with a flint lock.
What's that?

SPEAKER_05 (17:44):
Can you find a picture of it, Rob?

SPEAKER_04 (17:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Give me a sec.

SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
Yeah, see, but uh anyway, then you do the ramrod,
just like you.
If you've seen any film on aflint lock, you know, it's the
exact same you know, principlemechanism.
You got bandoliers on, you pourthat in with yours your shot.
Then uh you know, you put itusually you had a stand, they
all have stands, like in thepicture, you see them with
stands, and they'd stick it.
Yeah, so the match goes into atrigger uh based on the trigger

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mechanism.
When so when you you open up theprimer, you pull the the trigger
mechanism that comes in, bigflame goes up, and it may yeah,
it may shoot immediately, it maytake a few seconds.
Oh wow, sometimes up to 10 or11.
If you ever shot one, it's kindof wild the differing rates,

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even when you have the sameprimer, it it depending on it's
not like you're like, okay, I'mlined up, I'm ready to go.

SPEAKER_05 (18:33):
It's like okay, I'm lined up, okay, hurry up.
There you go.
There we go.
What I found so interestingabout uh listening to uh because
as I'm hearing about all thesedifferent stories, I'm imagining
like pirate ships going at eachother with cannons going at each
other and them trying to takethe ships down because I'm
thinking of a naval army in likethe 19th century or something,

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but watching what what you whatyou presented, I couldn't
believe the the style of boatsthey used and how they actually
fought these battles.

SPEAKER_01 (19:03):
Well, yeah, the boats that they used they they
were galleys, and it's actuallythe very last conflict uh in
terms of uh naval galleys.
Yeah, it's great.
Um if you if you're not used tothis, Rob is that going to break
the future.

SPEAKER_05 (19:20):
That's pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
No, that means that's a good load of the
primer, and it's a well-madeprimer that uh back in the day
though, you don't know who'smaking your loads, you can't
unless you're doing it allyourself.
Uh you might not get thateffect, it might be and then you
wait, and then it then it fires,and you've got to be patient and
sit there, even though you knowyou might get shot in the middle
of it, you know.

SPEAKER_05 (19:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The the the galley boats,they're basically like 25 guys.
What is it?
What are they called?

SPEAKER_04 (19:48):
Galley asses, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (19:50):
So there's basically like oars sticking out of the
boat, 25 or so on each side, andyou kind of have like slaves
rowing the boat, and you gotowards each other basically,
and then you try to board theenemy ship, and you have
hand-to-hand combat.
So they they if you because Ieven had somebody today try to

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downplay the role of divineprovidence in this battle.
As this guy Tom that I go backand forth with, and he tried to
downplay the role of divineprovidence.
Like modern historians, they saythat you know the Christians
actually outnumbered the theTurks, and and he and he tried
to just downplay it.
But when you read the accounts,the wind is at the back sails of

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the Turks and they are racingin.

SPEAKER_01 (20:36):
Yes, and so there's so many things that favor the
Turks in terms of men, at least,what's uh the the best
historiography that you can do,you're coming up with almost
even numbers, but in terms ofships, the Turks have uh greater
ships, larger number, and theyhad been successful in nearly
every naval engagement.
Just a few years before that,you have the Battle of Dara,

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similarly against the Venetians,the Spanish, and the Papal
Fleet, and the the Ottomans haddefeated them pretty soundly.
And and again, the numbers werealmost even, right?
They didn't have the gungalleases and the Venetians.
We'll talk about those in aminute.
They actually don't play thatbig of a role in the battle, but
just in the outset.
But the galleys, you know,because you think of Master and

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Commander, you think of Horatio,Hornblower, all these wonderful
things to watch, by the way.
That's not the world of navalwarfare we're at in the 16th
century.
You're still at galleys in theMediterranean, just like in
Roman times, uh, except now theygot guns, and you're mostly
aiming to board the enemy shipand make it a land battle, or
you're looking to ram the enemyship and sink it.

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And any number of those things,you know, come into play.
The uh actually you facing off,giving a full broadside.
That's Trafalgar, that's youknow, master and commander type
of stuff, which it's wonderful,actually, all that, but it
that's hundreds of years off,and it's it's a bloody bat, and
this was a bloody battle interms of the the number of
people fighting, the number ofpeople lost, especially on the

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the Turkish side.
There were I mean, someestimates give it as high as
40,000 lost on the Turkish side.

SPEAKER_05 (22:08):
Yeah, you don't see casualty numbers like that again
until World War I.
Like that's the next side, it'shundreds of years later before
you see a battle.

SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
I'd say but you get uh that, and then you have the
fact that the Turks outnumberthe Christian fleet, and they
there are some mistakes that AliPasha, who's the the Admiral uh
the Turkish side, makes heinstead of trying to he does a
flanking maneuver on the wrongside, but he also tries to you

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know get in and leak becausehe's taken advantage of the
wind.
He wants to take out the center.
It's not a bad idea, but thenormal way that the the Turks
work is to remove the flanks andthen take the center and then
have that's the whole point ofthat crescent formation.
They want so it's not it's not areligious the crescent versus
the cross, it's just a reallyand then that's like a secondary

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effect, actually.
It's it it actually has apurpose, just like the cross
formation on the Christian side,it's not just a religious thing.
There's actually a tactic there,navally speaking, that's to keep
the strength of the middle andto repel flank attacks.
But um, you know, they they putAli Pasha put so much into the
center that the flanks aren'table because then because what

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they did at Dara, the flankstake out the flanks and the Holy
League fleet, and then the uhthey they overwhelm the center,
and that's how they theycompletely vanquished the Holy
League at Dara.
This time they they didn't gofor the same tactic, which could
have worked actually, uh apartfrom Divine Providence.
They um Alepasha takes decidesto just try to take the center

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out right away.
The uh now the Venetian galleyshad had laid waste to a lot of
his vanguard in the center, butthey end up, you know, they
because I saw some historicaldocumentary, I think it was on
the History Channel, and Iusually watch those things
mostly to get the talking headsand buy their books and to see
if they're full of nonsense orif they actually have primary
sources and thing invalidarguments to make.

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But in this, you know, in thisdocumentary, they're drinking
this huge deal out of theseVenetian galleuses, and they're
they're the forerunner of thestuff you see 100 years later,
right?
They're they're they're higheroff the water, they're still a
galley, but they're they're muchhigher off the water, they're
it's harder to hit them, andit's almost impossible for the
Turkish ships to board them.

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So it is very useful.
They also only six of them, andthey end up trailing off out of
the main battle, and they don'tcome back until the end of it,
so they don't actually matterthat much for the battle.
It's largely um, you know,Kelowna and Dunwan of Austria,
Spanish and the Holy Leaguefleet, the Spanish Tercios uh
mowing down the Turks on as soonas they're able to get the hooks

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in and board the ships.
And and it's also the disastrousuh fall of the the Turkish right
flank, which um I can't rememberwhich admiral, I believe it was
Sebastiano Veneer that uh on theChristian side that goes after
them, uh, because it wasVenetians, right?
Uh on the on the Christian leftflank, Turkish right.

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Well, they end up completelyvanquishing the Ottoman right,
and then those ships are able toreturn to the middle, where uh
you know Don Juan andMarcantonio Colonna are
completely smashing Ali Pasha'sflagship El Sultana, and and of
course, the other fun thing soCervantes, Miguel Cervantes, the
author of Don Quixote, heactually boards El Sultana and

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in his left hand blown off,right?
But present on El Sultana is allof Aliasha's treasure because he
was actually formerly indisgrace by and he was only put
back into place because uh theSultan didn't have enough uh um
skilled sailors to take thefleet where he wanted them to

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go, and he wanted them to landan amphibious force in Italy.
He actually didn't mean for themto fight the fight a for a
formal battle.
On top of that, he wanted themto weather in a different spot
away from Lepanto.
But by the time Ali Pasha getsthe orders, it's too late, and
then the Holy League is alreadyready to box them in into the
peninsula by uh Lepanto.
So there's that, but then umAliasha Ali Pasha, because he

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you know he knows the soul underhis treasure while he's gone,
he's got all of his hold on,hold on, hold on.
YouTube removed our video, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (26:29):
Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_04 (26:31):
Stream was stopped because it did not comply with
YouTube's policy.

SPEAKER_05 (26:34):
You you fired the gun, I told you.
Oh no, dude, the new gun rules.

SPEAKER_04 (26:40):
It doesn't, it doesn't say of course what the
reason was.

SPEAKER_05 (26:44):
It was definitely that gun.
I knew it with all those newrules.
That was a YouTube video that Iplayed.
I'm just telling you that's whatit was.

SPEAKER_04 (26:53):
No, because because YouTube's policy is for
semi-automatic weapons.
That was not a semi-automaticweapon.

SPEAKER_05 (27:00):
I wonder why.
Uh, I wonder what happened.
Do you think they'll put it backup, or you think we got a
channel strike?

SPEAKER_02 (27:08):
Um I don't know.
Damn it.

SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
Yeah, I don't think it's my cigar.

SPEAKER_05 (27:21):
Content that shows someone live streaming while
holding, handling, ortransporting a firearm isn't
allowed on YouTube.
I knew it.
As soon as we knew it.

SPEAKER_04 (27:30):
Where did you get that message?

SPEAKER_05 (27:31):
I didn't even pull my piece.

SPEAKER_04 (27:34):
I knew it.
Wait, where did where are youseeing that?

SPEAKER_05 (27:37):
This is why you took the gun show off of your stupid
chat.
Where are you where are youseeing that?
In the in the um in the stream,the the in the app we have, the
uh studio.
In studio let me pull it off.
Okay, so if we think if youthink we made a mistake, you can

(27:59):
appeal our decision.
I'll leave that to you.
So what does that mean?
Do we do we totally lose it?

SPEAKER_04 (28:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (28:06):
What happens with our channel now?

SPEAKER_04 (28:08):
Nothing.
You sure?
I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_01 (28:14):
Can we get the stream back up?
Might have to create anotherone.
Uh, we can't get this one goingagain.

SPEAKER_04 (28:22):
I can I add another man.

SPEAKER_05 (28:28):
That's so that's it's unbelievable.
I knew it.
A match lock, a bloody matchlock.
I knew it because and I didn'tknow YouTube put those new rules
in.
I know because I watched Rob'sshow yesterday.

SPEAKER_04 (28:42):
Yeah, we talked about it yesterday, but it
specifically says semi-automaticweapons.

SPEAKER_05 (28:48):
It it's like you have to prove it's from a gun
range or something.
Like, I just I think you evenneed to be careful about the
past videos you guys have upwhere you're like showing stuff
on the floatbox aresemi-automatic, but but really
come on.
I know it's like an historicalthing you're trying to show.

SPEAKER_04 (29:05):
I wasn't we weren't live streaming with a weapon, we
were live streaming doinganother YouTube video.

SPEAKER_01 (29:12):
That's so yeah.
So I'm sure I can appealsuccessfully.
It's just a stupid algorithm.

SPEAKER_05 (29:18):
Okay, it's a bot.
A bot took us down for sure, butthat's so crazy.
Holy cow! AI overlords.
So, all right.
So, we I mean, uh all right, soI mean, we can continue the
show, we can always edit itlater and put it back up.

SPEAKER_04 (29:33):
We can edit, yeah, we can put it back up.

SPEAKER_05 (29:35):
You can just edit that clip out and then put it
back up.

SPEAKER_04 (29:38):
No, even well, I'll be able to appeal it just fine,
but I there's no way to fix thelive stream now.
They killed that.

SPEAKER_05 (29:44):
Some people go to locals, locals, and we can leave
it on X.
We'll leave it.

SPEAKER_04 (29:49):
I can't even, it won't even let me type in the
live chat to tell people to gosomewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 (29:53):
Wow, wow, I can do it on X.
Let me say, because everyonewill probably.
Be running to your accountsaying, Hey, what happened?
Where'd it go?

SPEAKER_05 (30:06):
That stinks.
Ryan's freaking Ryan's firsttime coming on and the fly and
the stupid show gets killed.

SPEAKER_01 (30:13):
Yeah, well, I've had this happen to me before with
the rundown.
That's so annoying.
Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 (30:19):
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (30:20):
Uh, I guess you can't even talk about the
history of firearms anymore orhistory that includes firearms.

SPEAKER_01 (30:31):
I uh you could probably do it pre-recorded and
get it pre-screened and then allthe stuff then directly.

SPEAKER_05 (30:39):
Yeah, but on a live stream it would be a problem.
I got everybody saying PelicanPlus.
I don't even know if they'renever mind.
Oh man, Facebook is still up.
Uh Rumble's up.
I see Rumble comments.

(31:00):
I still see uh X comments areup.
Ron doesn't look like he knows.
Um, all right, so we still westill have, yeah, hopefully
everybody will know to go to uhX and watch it.
We'll have to pop this up later.
All right, we're still livestreaming.
We're still streaming.
We'll fix this later.
Uh we'll we'll maybe even cutout all this oh my goodness

(31:22):
stuff and and we'll give it allright where well now I might as
well just grab an AR and sithere with an AR in my lap the
rest of the show.

SPEAKER_04 (31:28):
Screw them.

SPEAKER_05 (31:31):
Um all right, so let's finish the let's finish
the Le Panto talk though.
So uh Ryan, before we got cutoff, where do we leave you?

SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
Uh I think we're talking oh, I was talking about
Ali Pasha.
Yes.
Sultan Ali Pasha.

SPEAKER_04 (31:43):
The treasure on his ship.

SPEAKER_01 (31:44):
Yeah, so he had all of his treasure on his flagship
Al Sultana because of the factthat he he was afraid that if he
left it in Constantinople in hispalace, then the um the Sultan
would have plundered it all inhis absence.
And so he kept it on the ship,and then of course, uh he gets

(32:05):
shot, if I'm not mistaken, hegets shot by an archivist bullet
right in the head.
And then, you know, so he'sdone.
And after the uh the Spanishsecure the ship, they plunder
all the treasure uh along withthe standard and the flagship,
and then you know, once themorale drops in the Turkish
center, and they they more orless collapse fairly easily.

(32:26):
And then the last uh you know,you know, fight was on uh the
Christian right or the Turkishleft of the battle.
So and that and was and that wascommanded by uh Doria, and he he
missed his position, right?
And so he didn't uh you know,you didn't get in place, and so
he got you know trapped by theTurks, but now other ships

(32:49):
notice that he's in trouble.
Um he uh I'm trying to rememberexactly you know how all that
you know falls out because uhUle Shali, uh who's the
commander in the Turkish leftflank, he swings around to
Kelowna's flank, right?
And so and Doria's in the wrongspot.
So then they get into reallytight you know battles, and you

(33:13):
know, which look morehand-to-hand fighting, and it's
uh you know, it's a long run.
But eventually the uh the leftuh flank of the fleet is able to
come and help out the VenetianGallias has come back and shoot
some of the rear guard of thethe the Turks.
The Janisseries, the Janisseriesare if you don't know what the
Janisseries are, they're anelite corps in the Ottoman

(33:35):
infantry.
They were originally they'realmost they're all kidnapped.

SPEAKER_05 (33:39):
They're like the SEAL team six.

SPEAKER_01 (33:41):
Yeah, they're all kidnapped Christians, they're
actually drawn from Christians,they're abducted, they're
children from Christian parentsthat are forcibly taken and
forcibly converted to Islam.
And you know, a lot of timesthey're castrated, uh, sometimes
they're merely circumcisedaccording to Islamic law when
they're 14.
They um, but mostly it's to keepthem loyal, right?

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So a lot of them end up beingeunuchs, they fight um you know
with with all kinds of theelite, you know, uh tools and uh
of the trade.
They're very elite core, and soand there's different ranks of
them and everything, but they'remore you know, for for land
warfare, they've never reallymade the it became the equal,
say, of the Spanish fighting atsea.

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So, and that's that's anotherweakness that the Janissaries
have in that.
And so and what happens duringthe a lot of the pitched
fighting between ships, they runout of bullets, they run out of
weapons, they run out of power,powder, so they end up getting
massacred uh during all of it.
Uh, is that they end up not mademattering really for the battle
like you'd think they were.

SPEAKER_05 (34:47):
The thing is, like when the Turks would go to war,
um they were so horrific in whatthey would do to just civilian
populations after the armieswere defeated, like they would
go through, they would slaughterall the men, they would take all
the children and women and andjust put them in part of the

(35:09):
slave trade.
So after these battles areactually done, the Christians
show no quarter to to the Turks,they they just completely
massacre them, and especiallythose who are able to like
operate those ships, right?
Like they they they want to makesure they're not able to go back
and like put together anothercore of fighters to continue on.

SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
Here's a fun bit.
So, right before this battle,only about seven years before
this battle, you have theknights of Malta and the Siege
of Malta, right?
So the commander of the Knightsof Malta was La Vallette, and
this guy is a man's man, hedoesn't take uh crap, he's he's
70 years old leading the knightsin battle at Malta, right?
Well, when he was young, he wasabducted by a Turkish raid.

(35:54):
You know, they they'd kill, youknow, raided the village, and he
was taken as a made as to be agalley slave.
And eventually, you know, hegrows up, he escapes, he gets
back to Europe, becomes a knightof Malta.
As a knight of Malta, during uha Maltese raid, you know, back
when they were still housed inRhodes, uh, he finds the Turk
slaver that sold him intoslavery, so he makes him a slave

(36:18):
on his own galleons.
Wow, look at that.

SPEAKER_05 (36:23):
It's so interesting that like the knights of Malta
still exists, right?
Like a lot of these orders stillexist into the modern into the
modern day.
Now, I mean, they kind of gotgutted under Francis a bit, uh,
but uh they were gutted before.

SPEAKER_01 (36:37):
I mean, no part of it to the whole crusading era,
you know, is is justanachronistic now.
So, what is even the point ofthe knights of Malta?
And this become even beforeVatican II, this is a big
problem for them.
What what's the point?
Are and are they kept in millionmilitary readiness?
No, a lot of it's honor, a lotof it's like um pla you know,
place for nobility or otherpeople, you know, various honors

(37:02):
do so you know social work evenbefore Vatican II.
Uh a lot of that is really thecase.
So, and of course, there's areal sense in which they are
still serving the church andthey are still just not as cool
as when they've got cords andguns and and and grenades and
all the cool things that theyhad in their like they had this
one thing, they had this hoopthat almost like a hula hoop,

(37:23):
right?
Except it was wrapped aroundwith uh, you know, again, it was
uh cloth and rope that wassoaked in uh saltpeter, and
they'd light that on fire andsend it down a hill as the Turks
were like as they you knowcoming up because the Turks they
have a lot of clothing, it'seasy to catch on fire.
All it has to do is touch thempractically, and they're you
know, and they load it up withpitch and saltpeter and all

(37:45):
these things, and these hoops offire just come down, and the
front, you know.
Imagine like you're the front,you know, vanguard of this army,
it's gonna charge in, and you'regetting you know hit with all of
this this fire hoops, and you'retrying to avoid it, and now
you're on fire.
It's inexplicable.
You just stop, it takes all theimpetus out of your charge, and
then it drops the morale for theguys in the back, and you have

(38:06):
to basically stop the wholething and regroup, and then you
do, and then you don't see thehoops of fire, so you start
running in, and next thing youknow, there's explosions and
half your legs missing becausethey're throwing crocades,
hollowed out cannibals full ofgunpowder and shrapnel, right?
Almost like a little shotgunblast.
They just throw these things outthere, and you know, and that's
some of what they did at um whenthe the Turks were assaulting uh

(38:27):
both St.
Almo and St.
Michael's.
So it so that happened, that'sjust a few years before.
Massive victory didn't affectthe fleet, but affected their
their army, their morale, theirnumbers.
So you mentioned somethingearlier that you're arguing with
someone who's saying, hey,modern historians say this
battle didn't matter, whatever.
That's a common thing.
And you try to watch any kind ofuh secular history documentary

(38:49):
on Lepanto, and they're gonnasay, Hey, you know, this this
battle didn't really mattermuch.
The Turks rebuilt their fleet insix months, it wasn't a big
deal.
No, no, no, no, no.
And this is all, you know,again, revision.
You know, you have this termrevisionist history, and there
is a sense, there's a sense inwhere that's a positive thing
and where it's a negative thing.

(39:11):
Where it's a positive thing iswhere you're revising according
to the sources, according todocuments, archaeology, what
actually happened during aperiod of time.
On the bad side of it is whenyou're revising it based on
politics, based on the view youwant to put to events.
And modern moderns are notunique in terms of revisionist

(39:33):
history.
There's different you know,epics where people revised
history, the English during theEnglish Civil War, they revised
uh the very unpopular last twodecades of Elizabeth's reign, or
last decade of Elizabeth'sreign.
It's very she was veryunpopular.
People wanted change all around.
Uh, you know, people did notremember Elizabeth as a golden
age going into the Stuarts.

(39:54):
But once you get to Charles theFirst and you have the failed
raid on Cadiz, hey, FrancisDrake, he raided Spain, he took
Cadiz, no problem.
And now here the Duke ofBuckingham, Charles is a little
lackey there.
He he can't even get close tothe city, and it failed in New
Rochelle.
All these failures now get getthis kind of revisionist history

(40:14):
going, hey, but it was gloriousunder Elizabeth, and that's
where the golden age moved.

SPEAKER_05 (40:19):
You also have it after the Enlightenment, there
everyone is trying to downplaythe miraculous, everybody's
trying to materializeeverything, right?
So when I went to when I went toum Italy, we visited um uh the
the how the Holy House ofLoretto.
And now the legend behind theHoly House of Loretto is that

(40:39):
angels carried it from Nazarethall the way to Loretto.
And the woman giving us the tourtells us that story, and then
she's like, But really, theremight have been um a crusader by
the name of Angel, and hebrought it.
And I'm like, but I'm like,listen, I don't want to hear
that, I want to hear the legendbecause the legend is actually
important, right?

(41:00):
So, and and even this event,like, no, the divine providence
in it is actually very importantbecause it it it it's good for
for all of us to just believethe the legend, and it and it
gives you a granderunderstanding of God's
providence in the workings ofhumanity, because in the end,

(41:22):
you're actually going to findout that God did have his hand
in all of the events of historyand that they're all working
towards his glory in the end.
So these things that we want towrite off to just these you know
materialistic coincidences arenot really those at all, they
are God's hand in all of theseevents.

SPEAKER_01 (41:39):
Um and you look at the I mean, you look at certain
things I've already laid out,like in the battle, how the
Turks, as they were, they had crdefeated a similar fleet, and
the differ, but there's adifference in their tactics all
of a sudden, which doesn'treally make sense, even by a
seasoned naval commander.
And that allows for you know thevictory, where previously they

(41:59):
had almost as many ships atDara, not quite as many, and uh
that that failed.
And so what this one succeeded,why?
Uh ultimately, I think you know,Pius V leading everyone to pray
the rosary for the victory atLepanto, and you look at the
effects of it.
Um, there's two things.
So, in point of fact,historically, the Turks did

(42:21):
rebuild their fleet in sixmonths, they were still a
menace, but they weren't nearlyas bold.
I was just gonna say asconfident and as bold as going
and conquering.

SPEAKER_05 (42:31):
Something to their to their self-esteem to get
conquered like that.

SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
You know, it'll take another hundred years to get
another Holy League against theTurks, and that happens uh
during the War of SpanishSuccession, the Holy League, uh
the Second Holy League, whereEugene of Savoy just crushes the
Turks at Zenta, and in manyother places too, he crushes
them.
But that's another bit of uhbattle splanning that'll get us
going forever and ever.
Um, but really here they don'tyou know materialize another

(42:57):
Holy League, you know, for thattime, but the Turks still do not
send an amphibious force toItaly, they do not try to invade
Rome, which was the plan, theydo not uh you know to stray
beyond Greece.
They're actually nervous aboutit.
So that there is a change, andit's also a moral victory.
So even Elizabeth over inEngland rings the bells uh to to

(43:19):
note the triumph of Lepanto oncenews of it reaches England.
So, and of course, how did thatnews reach England?
Well, if there's spies in theEnglish college in Rome that
hear about it and pass on thereport, but anyway.

SPEAKER_05 (43:31):
And you think and you think about the the effect
it has on the church, right?
So now now the Pope institutesthe Feast of Our Lady of Victory
and then and then Gregorychanges it to the Feast of Our
Lady of the Road of the Rosary,and now the rosary is now it's a
practice spread throughout thechurch because of this feast
day.
It has has very practicaleffects to to how it affects the

(43:53):
life of the church.
I was telling Rob, um, I want Iwant to start paying closer
attention to the liturgicalcalendar, especially the old
calendar, because a lot of thesehistorical events are enshrined
in that calendar under differentMarian feast days.
These these historical eventsthat took place, and you name
it, you know, different, youknow, Our Lady of something, you

(44:13):
know, and it winds up if youlook deeper into where that
feast originates from, is fromsome historical events.

SPEAKER_01 (44:18):
Exultation of the Holy Cross last month.
Yes, where does that come from?
It comes from the final warbetween the Eastern Romans and
the Persian prince.

SPEAKER_06 (44:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (44:27):
And the you know, the assassinates had invaded and
taken all of Roman territory inthe east, and they took the true
cross from Jerusalem, took itback to Persia, and they they
were you know on the verge ofcompletely crushing uh the
Eastern Roman Empire.
They'd besieged Constantinople,they'd make a deal with uh the
proto-bulgars, the Avars, right?

(44:49):
And they were besieging on theother side.
And it's a guy from NorthAfrica, Heraclius, and he he
sails to Constantinople, uh,usurps the throne from the the
previous emperor, who was a bigloser, and he uh reforms the
army and he realized thesituation.
There's only one way to makethis work.
We're just gonna march rightinto Persian territory, make

(45:10):
them pull this back.
And he does that, he goes in theheart.
Oh, you know, he takes back uhKhatesiphon, or um, which is
just a little bit north ofBaghdad, he goes even further uh
in into Persian territory, andthe Persians are great, and they
they move back, they're on aforced march, and then he
smashes them and they have to goto peace.
And so Roman territory isrestored, the true cross is

(45:32):
restored, Heraclius he tries tocarry it in, and as uh the the
ancient uh uh who the historiansthat relate this, uh Zonoras,
who's a Greek historian, herelates this.
Um, there's a couple otherhistorians that relate this from
the time.
So uh Heraclius is robed in allthe gold and and splendor of a

(45:53):
Roman emperor in Constantinople,and he tries to carry the true
cross back into Jerusalem, andhe feels stopped by this
invisible force.
And Saint Sophronius comes tohim, whether by divine light or
just seeing what's going on andfiguring it out, who knows?
But he says, You can't carry theLord's cross, robed as a king as

(46:14):
you are, as a Caesar, the Caesaris under whom he was put to
death.
No, you need to come in as hewas, poor and humble.
So Heraclius strips down to histunic and he carries the cross,
and then he's able to enter thecity without any further problem
and puts the cross then backinto the church of the holy
sepulchre, such as it was atthat time.

SPEAKER_05 (46:33):
That's amazing.
I love hearing stories likethat.
I saw um this kid Christendomquarterly.
I don't know who he is.
Uh, I just started followinghim, but he wrote he wrote this,
and I kind of liked it.
He said, Be the bastard that setsail.
That's what the battle ofLepanto means for you, Western
man.
There is much the there is muchthe church saved the West.
There is much the church savedthe West at the Battle of

(46:54):
Lepanto posting.
This simply plays into Catholicfail uh failing of waiting for
our hierarchy and ourinstitution to win the battle.
Nothing can be further from thetruth.
Lepanto is the story of how theleast likely man risked
everything for the sake of thecross.
This is the lesson we need totake from uh this is the lesson
men of Christendom need tolearn.
Here's the story, and then hekind of goes through the story

(47:14):
just about how uh Don Don Juanreally was a nobody.
He was he was a bastard, and hecomes and he kind of puts this
this thing together.
Um, and he said, uh, among theprinces of Christendom, he was
the last man you'd pick.
No inheritance, no wealth, noclaim to rule.
Yet when the Ottoman fleetgathered in the waters just
beyond Italy, this forgotten sonwas the one who answered because

(47:35):
no one else would.
Yes, the Pope called for thedefense of Christendom, and that
is more than we have today, butno one sent Don personally.
Uh nobody sent Don Juanpersonally, no one gave him the
wealth to outfit an army.
The most likely outcome was thatthey'd all die.
Don Juan went because someonehad to.
That's the pattern of everyimportant battle in Christian
history.
One man alone, often betrayed byhis Christian brothers,

(47:56):
under-resourced, and the onlysmall band of bed-dragged
warriors standing in victoryagainst the pagan hordes.
No crusader victory was ever atriumph of Christian unity.
Most of Christendom sat Lepantoout.
France stayed home, ProtestantEurope stayed home, even the
most of Italy stayed home.
The Holy League was a minorityof the willing, a handful of
ships and a handful of men whomade the decision to go, and

(48:18):
that's the truth.
History turns on the ones whogo, not on the ones who wait for
orders, not on the ones whowhine about the hierarchy, the
ones who go.
Western man today stands onanother shore.
The pagan fleets are at ourshores again.
Our clergy are cautious, ourpoliticians are compromised, our
institutions are asleep.
So, what now?
You do the same thing Don Juandid, you go.

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I kind of like that.
You know, it's like we're we'rewe're in a situation where we're
all complaining about oh, ourhierarchy doesn't do the role
week, man.
It's it's okay.
Like God's going to raise upsaints in these times, and we
have to really, I'll tell you,man, like especially the
liturgical calendar is soimportant because a day like
today, if you've been slackingon praying the rosary, today's

(49:02):
the day to get back into it.
Before you go to bed tonight, ifyou haven't done so yet, it is
the month of the holy rosary, itis a very important time.
Um, I'm I'm I was talking to mywife earlier.
My wife just ordered aconsecration to Our Lady today.
Um, I'm going to start myfasting again because I kind of
slacked off on that the lastcouple of weeks of summer.
But it's time to get ourspiritual lives in order and a

(49:25):
day like today.
Um I learned more today aboutCatholic history than I have in
a long time, and I was kind ofexcited to come on and talk
about it tonight.

SPEAKER_04 (49:33):
And then YouTube said no.
And YouTube said no.

SPEAKER_01 (49:36):
We'll get it back up.
We'll get it back up.
Right.
No, it no, that's absolutely thecase.
And you look at the rosary as adevotion, and we see it at
different places.
Um, you see it in Alanist uh deuh I don't know.
Um, what's his name?
De La Roche.
Um, you see uh, you know, it hasvery many, it's the Dominican

(49:59):
tradition, it's the Dominicanrosary, right?
And Pius V as Dominican bringsthat to to be you know a popular
devotional life of the church.
And it was a devotion, and yousee it sprinkled around in
different places.
You see it in Englandpre-Reformation, you see it in
big revivals that happened, likeAlanis de la Roche in uh uh you
know in places in Germany, andit has all the hallmarks of

(50:22):
going because you get thisthing, well, come on, uh the Our
Lady didn't reveal the rosary ofSaint Dominic, it developed over
time.
There's no evidence in all thelives and chronicles of Saint
Dominic of Our Lady given therosary.
And you see this amongsthistorians, right?
And at the same time, I thinkit's fair to say, one, we have
so many popes who've talkedabout uh Dominic receiving the

(50:45):
rosary from Our Lady.
It's it's really hard to say,all right, um, yeah, popes can
err in questions of fact.
Maybe that is wrong in questionsof fact.
But my inclination is to lookthe other way and say, no,
there's actually truth in that,it just doesn't unfold in this
very neat way you see it laidout after you know in the in the
counter-reformation period.
Rather, it's that Dominic hasthese mysteries at part of the

(51:05):
tradition of the Dominicanorder, and that is essentially
the rosary that our lady gave tohim.
And this is popularized amongstthird order, third order
Dominicans and spread around andbecomes a thing, and then it
becomes a thing inpre-Reformation attempts
reforming the church on the partof Dominicans, like Alanis
Delaroshan.
You look at the mysteries of therosary, it goes back to all the
traditions of Saint Dominic thatyou see perpetuated by Hermana

(51:29):
Hermando Romani and um uh Jordanof Saxony, right?
Jordan of Saxony is the guy whomakes the Dominican order.
St.
Dominic's got the vision, he hasthe energy, he has the he plants
the seed, but it's under uhJordan of Saxony that the flower
of the Dominican Order blossoms.
And most people have no idea whoit is, but without Jordan

(51:50):
Blessed Jordan of Saxony, thereis no Dominican Order.

SPEAKER_05 (51:53):
It's it's it's it's like you said, it's yeah, maybe
it wasn't neatly packaged theway we have it now under Saint
Dominic, but that's never howthe church's tradition works
out, it's just never how itgoes.

SPEAKER_01 (52:03):
And there's all kinds of there's all kinds of
rosary devotions that evenpredate Dominic.
Yeah and it's not like therosary, there was never anything
else like this ever before.
All of a sudden Dominic gets itand now he's got it.
No, it's rather this was allorganized in a very specific
way, and then that's whatdevelops in the Dominican
tradition, and then through PiusV, through the occasion of the

(52:24):
ponto, is then given andrecommended to the entire
church, and then becomes a thingin the church and never ceases
to.
It becomes a mainstay.
Now, other religious orders havethe rosaries, the Franciscans
have the rosary, the serviteshave the rosary.
You look at other, you know, itdiffers from the Dominican
rosary, but the Dominican rosaryis the one that becomes dominant

(52:45):
in the life of the church, andthat is again part of divine
providence.
And that's very much like whatPope Leo the 13th talked about
in his encyclical on the rosary.

SPEAKER_05 (52:53):
So Nicole says, Our oldest daughter has the coolest
feast of the rosary story.
Before she was even datingsomeone, she said she would get
married on October 7, 2023,because it was a Saturday.
She ended up meeting her husbandand getting married on that
date.
They both made theirconsecration that year, uh, that
the their consecration that dayas well.
And the rosary played prayedaloud before their wedding mass.

(53:14):
Yeah, like things like that.
There where you see God'sprovidence working and things,
and especially our ladies'providence.
Like, um, I was talking withsomeone this morning, they were
saying they're like uh they theypray their rosary on their
commute on the way in, and I dothat too.
That's that's when I have timeto pray my rosary.
So I pray it on the way in inthe morning.
Um, and I it's hard to meditatewhen you're driving and trying

(53:36):
to pay attention to otherthings, but sometimes if you
can't meditate, like the mostimportant part of the rosary is
just developing a deeperdevotion to our lady and just
having a love for her and herjust that relationship with her.
So even if you're not great atmeditating, things like that,
it's very important for your foryour devotional life and for
your love.

(53:57):
This whole thing, I'm like, I'mI am going to pray for Pope St.
Pius V's intercession constantlyafter, and that's kind of the
joy of learning about thesaints, right?
Like, once you get an insightinto the life of that saint, you
start to develop a love for thatsaint and you start to like see
something about them where nowyou have this kindred spirit
with that saint, and that's whatGod wants from us.

(54:18):
He wants you to love your oldersiblings in the faith.
So maybe he'll grant you alittle favor in that saint's
honor because he wants you togrow more and more attached to
them.

SPEAKER_01 (54:27):
That that's I mean, that's what the whole point of
the communion of saints and andthat we are not alone, we are
not just here.
It's like we have them up thereas well as the church suffering,
praying for us and praying forthe deliverance of the church
today.
And and he actually made a pointearlier about the hierarchy.
Nobody waited for the the lazyhierarchy to get you know in
order pushing this.

(54:48):
And you look at the wholehistory of bishops.
I'm actually writing a book nowon the history of bishops of
saintly bishops, principally.
And when you see in every age ofthe church, most bishops are
mediocre.
You have uh it's eitherattributed alternatively to St.
John Chrysostom and Saint orSaint Peter uh um Eulogus.

(55:10):
I'm not sure which one actuallysaid it.
I gotta look back, but is thatthe road to hell is paved with
the skulls of bishops?
That's in the fourth century.
That's not that's not like amodern thing.
Most bishops in the history ofthe church have been mediocre,
and then you have a a minoritythat are saintly and a minority
that are evil in almost everygeneration.

SPEAKER_05 (55:30):
You just what's what's interesting is the reason
you only think that the bishopsof the past were good is because
you only tell the stories of thesaintly ones, right?

SPEAKER_06 (55:39):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (55:39):
So those are the ones that live on, and those you
and you read the story of somesaintly bishop from the fifth
and seventh century, and you'relike, This is what the church
was like, and it's like that'snot actually what the church was
like, it's no bishop like that.

SPEAKER_04 (55:51):
Yeah, 500 years from now, people will remember Bishop
Schneider, but probably notprobably not Supic, you know,
right, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (56:00):
Like you almost tell the stories of the of the
heroes, right?

SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
So more infamous, like Tolly Rand.

SPEAKER_04 (56:05):
We remember Toly Rand because he's specifically
so I mean people will rememberMcCarrick, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 (56:10):
Yeah, sadly.
Um, better if we didn't, but uhin Felicitous memory.
But uh yeah, you see things ofthis nature, and but in
Augustine, you know, you look atyou get in the early the fifth
century say you have SaintAugustine, everyone knows St.
Augustine.
You have St.
Ambrose nearly you know, just ageneration before overlapping
with him.

(56:30):
You've got you know a few otherholy bishops, and you know what
about all the other bishops?
Great.
Well, they don't get names.
Some of them were just just goodbishops, not particularly bad.
You had the Donatist bishops,yeah.
You don't know their names, youjust know that kind of
sanctioned.
Um, we know like Augustine'sbishop was actually Greek, he
didn't speak Latin well enough.

(56:51):
That's why he made SaintAugustine preach for him, um,
because he noticed St.
Augustine was an eloquentpreacher, whereas his bishop
didn't know Latin particularlywell enough to preach in it.
So, but he but he knew Greek,and it was you know he was an
okay bishop, wasn't a greatbishop, wasn't a terribly bad
bishop.
Again, and that's the case formost bishops in the history of
the church, just doing theirjob, doing their thing.

(57:13):
Some of them have their vices,they have their problems.
It's the ones that stands outare that you get your Saint
Francois de Salls, and you getyour St.
Robert Bellerman's, and you getyour St.
John Fisher's and your SaintCharles Borromeo's and uh, you
know, other really venerablebishops in the in the past,
Bishop Golti, um, just trying tothink of you know the other like
more recent exact Bishop Sheen,at least uh well, there's debate

(57:36):
about him after Vatican II andwhat he did in his diocese at
Rochester, but um you know youknow that there's there's holy
personages, good bishops, um,you know, Cardinal Wiseman in
the 19th century.
You've got uh Cardinal BeruetBeruet.
I can't I suck.
I can read French, but I can'tCardinal Berroulet, you know, in

(57:57):
the 17th century, great Frenchbishop.

SPEAKER_05 (58:01):
Um yeah, so look, I I listened to uh Chris Czech did
a talk on Lepanto today, and hetalks about St.
Pope Pius the Fifth.
And I just want to play thisclip real quick because this
send it to me.
He doesn't have any guns, doeshe?
No, yeah.
You know what?
I'll put it into the chatactually, Rob.
Hang on.
Um, let's see.

SPEAKER_04 (58:21):
Just because we're not on YouTube, doesn't mean we
have to go back to you puttingyour phone up to the microphone.

SPEAKER_05 (58:26):
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
Okay.
Uh it's only a minute, so it'sperfect.
It's going through now.
Just give it a sec.
Um, yeah, it's just uh Pope PiusV, the things that were going on
in the it should be throughthere now.
He's just such a heroic man thatyou see why they canonized him.

SPEAKER_00 (58:47):
Um pure life.
An aged Dominican priest,Michael Gissieri, when he
ascended the chair of Peter,faced two foes, Protestantism
and Islam.
He was up to the task.
He had served as grandinquisitor, and the austerity of

(59:11):
his private mortificationscontrasted starkly with the
lifestyles of his Renaissanceforebears.
During his six-year reign, hepromulgated the Council of
Trent, published the works ofThomas Aquinas, issued the Roman
Catechism, issued a new missile,the very missile today that's

(59:32):
used at the extraordinary form,issued a new breviary, created
21 cardinals, excommunicatedQueen Elizabeth, and led aided
by St.
Charles Borromeo, a reform ofthe clergy and the episcopacy
that had grown soft anddegenerate.

SPEAKER_05 (59:55):
Like it can happen anytime.
We all think like we have PopeLeo.
For 20 years, and we think weknow what we're gonna get in his
papacy.
World events could change thethe whole uh uh uh uh like the
the like the what the hell wordam I looking for like the the
the prediction.
The course well, even the courseof his papacy, what he may think

(01:00:17):
he's going to do.
History could things could popup that just change what he
winds up doing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:22):
It could be you know, God could intervene and we
get another conclave before youever think possible, like we
don't know 20 years of Moore'ssynodality could be something
happens, it gives him a soberingmoment and says, you know, this
isn't good.
Or I mean you gotta here's agreat example from antiquity.
You have Pope Vigilius.
Pope Vigilius was deacon underPope Martin.

(01:00:44):
He uh was it Pope Martin?
I might be getting his hispredecessor mixed up.
Um he kind of favored uh youknow the monophysite heresy and
found a common, you know,kindred spirit in the Empress
Theodora.
So she promised him that shewould get him into power as

(01:01:05):
Pope, and once he's Pope, hewill, you know, you know,
restore all the patriarchs thather husband, that Justinian, in
in line with the other with thethe Orthodox Pope said got uh
deposed from office.
So because she's a monophysite,right?
Well, what happens is he youknow, first he uh is intruded on

(01:01:27):
the papacy, arrest the Pope, puthim in the Black Sea in exile
somewhere, but you know, allthrough intrigue with um
Theodora uh not sorry, Theodora.
Um well yeah, Theodora theEmpress, and um Belisarius,
who's the the general in uh theRoman general in uh Italy.
So when I say Roman, that's theEaster, that's Byzantine Empire.

(01:01:48):
Um I don't like that term asthey were trying to make it
something other.
They saw themselves as Roman,but anyway, that's that's a
speech for another day.
So he you know he's in Italy,he's the power broker in Italy,
so he gets the Pope arrested,sends him out, and he intrudes
Vigilius in as an anti-pope.
So then uh, you know, Justinianfinds out the Pope is in jail
somewhere in the Black Sea.

(01:02:08):
Hey, who ordered this?
I didn't order that, orders andbe released, and you know, who
does it?
Nobody actually knows.
Was Vigilius involved?
We don't actually know.
Maybe it was probably moreBelisarius, but they engineered
for the thing to shipwreck andhe dies of starvation in some
island.
So the report is in the Pope isdead, and there and of course
the Roman clergy had notaccepted Vigilius as a real

(01:02:30):
pope, and now Belisarius isstill pushing, he's our guy.
So he passes from being ananti-pope that is of dubious
orthodoxy, to a true pope.
The Roman clergy elect himbecause it, well, we don't we
don't exactly know if he's aheretic or not, but also uh
Belisarius is here with thesword, and we better elect him.

(01:02:50):
So they do.
So now, as Pope, Belisarius isis sitting there, he's getting
missives from Constantinople.
Theodore is saying, Hey, whenare you gonna do what we agreed
upon?
At a certain point, he writes aletter.
Lady, I cannot do what we agreedupon now that the office of the
Sea of Peter is laid upon myshoulders.
And I it's quoted in WarrenCarroll in full.

(01:03:13):
I found the original of it thatit's quoted in the the historian
Zoneras in the Greek.
Um, but it's an interestingletter where he basically is
that, yeah, I promise to do allthis stuff, but now I have to
manage the Sea of Peter.
I have to, I can't do that.
So, you know, he the revengethat he gets is that um during
the three chapters controversyat the Second Council of
Constantinople, he wouldn'tagree with Justinian.

(01:03:34):
So Justinian throws him inprison to think it over for a
long time, and so he has his ownlittle bit of suffering for uh
all the part he played in it.
But it's interesting, you wouldlook at that on the ground.
Um, all right, here's a guywho's promising to the empress,
and it was known generally, thathe's gonna restore monophysite
patriarchs, he's going to um youknow make you know the the good

(01:03:57):
money would say he's gonna pushthe monophysite heresy, and he
doesn't, yeah, he he he does theopposite.
So if that can happen, and andand he was not noted of being
particularly good life even whenhe was a deacon.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:11):
So if that can happen, anything can you know
ultimately and and the thing isno matter what's going on, it's
God knows what's happening, hehas his hand in history always,
like whatever is happening rightnow, it is all going to work to
his glory in the end.
So I I try not to uh I try notto worry too much about it,

(01:04:32):
Ryan.
What uh the before we jump overto locals, we're gonna go over
to locals in a minute.
Um, is there any chance at youtranslating um um what the heck
was it?
Um man.
Uh my I'm sorry, guys.
I'm I'm tired.
Rob, what is it the um his hisuh commentary on the apocalypse?

(01:04:55):
Um whose Cornelis Alapiday'scommentary on the apocalypse.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:02):
You know, I I would have to email Loreto because
they're the ones doing that, andthey've been paying people if I
I worked actually, I did uh thecommentary on third John that
appears in their volumes um onthe third letter of John.
I translated that one.
And I know they they probablyhave somebody working on it
right now, so I would ask them,and I'd probably do it for them

(01:05:24):
since they're doing that if Idid.
Um, you know, as I've worked forthem before, so it'd be easy.
I've just been so busy and I'vebeen behind incredibly like and
I've only just gotten back onthe horse, really, from the the
blow of my first wife dying.
Yeah, and it's largely uh, youknow, with the help of my second
wife, whom I don't deserve.
It's too good for me, honestly.

(01:05:46):
But um, so I just finishedBellerman's uh treatise on
images and relics, and I'm I'mjust overseeing all the bits
that are coming back fromediting now.
Images, relics, uh the plan it'sthe whole section on the church
triumphant that's in that secondvolume of the controversies.
I did part of it years ago oncanonization.
I finally finished up the lastbits, and um, and but then

(01:06:06):
everyone's asking me for moraltheology, and I gotta get back
in the horse on that one.
It's just so tedious.
That's the problem.
Is it's it's like one of thosethings, it's it almost made me
hate Latin.
It's like my job, it's my tool.
I want to get freed up and getbe a millionaire so I could sit
in a hammock and smoke cigarsand be the wheel.
He's making fun of homosexuals.

unknown (01:06:24):
That's rather what I'd be doing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:26):
There was uh there's a father wolf sermon where he
translated part of part of thethat commentary that is just so
out of this world that it mademe want to read.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:35):
Yeah, I've read parts of it before.
I've never sat down and read itall cover to cover, but it's
dynamite though.
I mean, everything from Malopitais dynamite, but that especially
uh that apocalypse.
And that's like I remember whenI was working with the people at
Loretto, they were saying that'slike the most sought-after
thing.
We're just trying to get theseother things in order.
And um, I don't like Itranslated a preamble for the
Acts of the Apostles, and Inever got I got called away for

(01:06:58):
other stuff and I wasn't able tocontinue with it.
And that's when I stopped withthem.
Um, that wouldn't be a bad gigto get back into if I could find
a way to free up the time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:07):
Um, and you uh you guys started doing the rundown
again, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:11):
Yeah, and so it's kind of kind of it's hard
because it's just a hobby thing.
We're not even sure what we'redoing anymore.
We just get on and startblabbing.
That's kind of like my occasionto bluviate and um I don't know,
just just have a littlerecreation, just making fun of
uh news events, really largely.
And uh I get to put my mediocreediting skills to to work on

(01:07:33):
some video and uh do a little AIface swaps and put together.
Actually, I did a fun one.
I don't know if you saw it thelast show we did uh where I took
um Pope Leo's comments aboutSupage saying, you know, uh it's
not really pro-life to uh youknow oppose abortion, but then
uh you know support the what arewe doing, how do you call it bad
treatment of immigrants, right?

(01:07:53):
Oh yeah, so I put together alittle clip with an AI narration
of uh you know people likecalling for like we got to get
healthcare to illegal illegals.
This is pro-life, but uhcriminal aliens who rape
children in prison.
This is not pro-life.
You know, it is a public serviceannouncement, right?

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:15):
It's it's kind of funny because you have on the
left, they all think everyimmigrant that comes in is a
saint and an evangelist, and onthe right, we think that every
immigrant that comes in is amurderer and a trend de Aragua,
like but but like there's somein the middle there and stuff,
but it's just it's such apolitical make distinctions, and

(01:08:35):
so that's why, like, kind oflike where I was years ago with
racism or even anti-Semitism,like as an ethnic Jew,
anti-Semitism mattered to me fora long time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:44):
Now I hear it, yeah.
I'm just not interested.
Racism, they've they've criedWolf on that so much.
I mean, you're racist if younotice, you're racist if you
don't see colors, like um, wordsare violence, but silence is
violence.
It's like, come on, you guys,well, which is it?
You know, but but it's allcommunist doublespeak, and at
every level of it.
So migrants are the same thing,and I'm at the point, it's like,

(01:09:07):
and a lot of people don't likemy opinion on this, but I think
if you got some guy who brokethe law, came in the country
illegally, and he's working atsome Mexican restaurant, and
he's got stable living, and he'sbeen here for a year and a day,
and he hasn't done any furthercrimes.
There obviously has to be somepenalty for entering illegally,
but there's got to be he's awhole different class from these
guys who come in, start dealingdrugs, pedophiles, murder

(01:09:30):
people, get you know, killpeople with an 18-wheeler, they
shouldn't even be driving, um,yeah, all these types of things.
Like, no, that that's adifferent class altogether.
Like, really, Reese should befocusing on them guys right now,
and then follow up what kind ofI don't know, maybe maybe that's
the wrong way, but that's kindof how I feel about it.
Like taking a guy's setup rootsand he's not causing any further

(01:09:52):
crimes, he wants to bring hisfamily here and he likes it.
And all right, you did wrong.
There's got to be some penaltyfor having done it wrong, but
he's not the same class as theseother creeps that you're there
should be an order to which thealligators, these guys that rape
kids, I don't care.
But but these other guys, youknow, they guess you got to
distinguish not every migrant issome like saintly thing, just

(01:10:16):
like you you said, but they wantto class it, it's all one thing.
We're only supporting migrantsno matter what.
It's like, wait a minute, yeah.
Well, what about with these guyswho violate what the Catholic
catechism of the Catholic Churchsays about the rights of
countries to take in migrants ornot to make their own laws to
regulate migration?
It's in the catechism of theCatholic Church that the
countries have the right todetermine, you know, how how

(01:10:38):
they will bring them in, if theywill, et cetera.
But no, no, no, no.
We just gotta, you know, letthem all in and no matter what,
without any uh consequence.
I mean, I'm sure how's thatworking in London right now?
How's that working in London?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:49):
Well, that's the thing.
I yeah, I mean, we don't have todo a whole discussion on
immigrants, but it there'sthere's a lot that also comes
into breaking the fabric of yoursociety apart if you let people
from other nations come in andstuff like that.
So it's it's just a deepconversation.
We'll we'll do another night.
But all right, so we're gonna goover to locals.
I want to go through MikeLewis's article.
I think Ryan's actually theperfect guest for it.
Um, so um, yeah, we'll head overthere.

(01:11:12):
If you guys are not localsmembers, we'll try and get this
video up on YouTube.
Rob will contest it with YouTubeand see if if we have to edit
that second album, we'll editit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:22):
I can't promise it'll be up tomorrow, but I'll
I'll I'll try.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:25):
Yeah, we'll do what we can.
So if you guys aren't localsmembers, that's where we get to
you know talk a little bitdifferent.
We could we could show uh musketguns getting shot and we don't
get uh banned but things likethat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:36):
So Daniel Scrift, um mediaxpress.com.
I've got a lot of lives of thesaints.
I've got obviously people knowme for translating Bellerman and
Alfonso Segori.
I've also got like the onlytranslation of John Fisher's
treatise where he he shredsLuther in Luther's
sacramentology from A to Z.
Uh, it's called Against Luther'sBabylonian captivity is the

(01:11:59):
title of the book.
Um fantastic book.
I got lives of saints likeCardinal Baronius, actually, is
not formally canonized, butawesome life.
Nobody buys that book because,like, who's that guy?
I don't know.
Man, it's a spiritualpowerhouse, that book.
So I just encourage you uh to goin and look at that.
And I don't do modern politics,I don't publish anything on
Vatican II, I don't publishanything on the new mass, I

(01:12:22):
don't publish anything on thegeneral trad issues because I I
want to do something that's goodfor recouping the faith and that
everybody can read, becauseeveryone who goes to the Nova
Sordo should be reading mybooks.
Not because I need that filthylucre, I do, but that's not why,
because these books are good foryour soul.
That's why I put them back intoprint.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:40):
So that's my Mediatrix Press, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:42):
Right, www.mediatrix press.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:45):
You can just divide it up in your head, media tricks
T R I X, if you will, uh wealways want you to support uh
people that are doing good work,and Ryan's work is actually very
valuable.
So if you guys can shoot over toMediatrix Mediatrics Press and
uh pick something up to helphelp them out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:03):
Should we uh talk about our own sponsor?
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I mean we can, but yeah, goahead.
I mean we'll get it up onYouTube.
Yeah, we have uh we we I'm notnot not knocking the sponsor,
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SPEAKER_04 (01:13:23):
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