The Voice of Reason Debacle: The Dangers of Influence and Fame

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Oh, in tes pera verum .
Yeah, we decided not to do anintro video tonight, thought it

(00:37):
was probably a littleinappropriate.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
We can't do an intro video, we can't do anything
funny.
I mean, we're keeping thisrelatively well very serious,
Not just relatively serious.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
So there won't Stop laughing.
We get in the green room andWagner goes age of reason.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Okay okay.
Look, look.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Way to blow his pot like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
You had to do me like that.
Okay, I'll just all right, I'msorry.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm sorry, okay, I'm sorry, I had to.
Just, it was just, it was justa bit much.
It was hard for me he didn'treally say somebody else, iran,
all.
So look, you know the the thingis, it is a, it's a.
It's a rough subject because I,I, we, I kind of.

(01:31):
About a week ago, Rob had toldme some of this stuff was going
on behind the scenes and he'slike the person that came to him
with it.
Rob had to tell themspecifically, like yeah, don't
show Anthony the details becauseuh, like anthony's a good guy
when he says he'll he won't tellanyone.
At that point he really willmean it, but it's what happens

(01:52):
after that point he'll have nocontrol over so, like in the
green room, I told christian weweren't gonna make jokes and I
meant it.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I know it was, yeah, it was whatever, but for me, I
mean I.
I actually just found outyesterday, yesterday when I made
the tweet that, like you know,if I knew I would say something
I don't know who this was.
I was being honest, I had, Ihad no idea.
And eventually, once I madethat tweet, the people got into
my dms and were telling me allabout it.

(02:23):
But yeah, it's.
There's really not much else tosay than you know he's our, he's
our brother and we care for himas our brother.
But you know, just becausesomebody is your brother and you
love them and you want the bestfor them and you want to, you
know you want them to becorrected and do the right
things, that doesn't mean you'resupposed to let them watch your

(02:45):
kids and it doesn't mean thatyou're not supposed to tell your
siblings when he does somethingreally bad that might endanger
the family.
So you know, just, we're not,we're not committing the sins of
detraction or gossip or or anyof those things.
This is a sort of necessarydiscussion to have, especially
for a lot of the people outthere who are, we know,

(03:05):
struggling with similar things.
I've been very paranoid aboutthat recently of you know who
else, because there's obviouslyother people who are engaging in
this type of behavior as well.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Okay, so a couple of things.
You made a pretty relevantcomment today like that people
accusing others of likedetraction and stuff.
You said, yeah, let's notrelease the Epstein files
because that would be the sin ofdetraction, right, like it's
like.
No, there's a look, I have a17-year-old daughter.
If my 17-year-old daughter wentto a Catholic youth conference

(03:40):
and there was a speaker therewho was a bit charming and then
got my daughter's number andsome of this stuff happened to
my daughter, like I'd lose it.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Did you hear how supposedly he allegedly got
contact info?
No, yeah, so allegedly.
The most damning of theallegations are from when he
supposedly got contact info froma of a girl who registered for

(04:13):
um, I think, either eitherconference or the catechism
class, and he got her cell phonenumber from her registration.
He used it to text her yeah,there's something like.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
There's like there's a spiritual incest aspect of
that also, because he's thecatechist Right and he's in a
position of authority teachingthis girl.
Now there's a.
There's a bunch of differentthings I wanted to talk about
tonight, one one being like thechurch used to have these very
clear rules like men and womenshouldn't be in the same room

(04:45):
together if there aren'tchaperones around, things like
that.
And with modern technology,it's almost like every text
conversation is a near occasionof sin for young people.
All right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
All right, so we're not going to, I'm not going to
get into the details of everyone.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, if anybody wants to look at, like, the
specific details about all ofthe events, with screenshots and
I'm just warning you guys, Imean there's some very explicit
material in the way in whichcertain immoral acts are being
described and that's very, um,degrading and it's very, not not

(05:27):
, it's very degrading, very, um,you know, disgusting.
A lot of what was described, uhso, but protestia, um, he's a
Protestant guy who kind of justlike craps on Catholics all the
time, but he did collect all ofthe the information.
So if you go to Protestia, hisTwitter or his website, he

(05:53):
collected everything.
So, yeah, if you want to, Iwould heavily advise caution,
but that has a lot of thematerials with some of the
context for how to read them.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Without going into the specifics of the text,
though, I could give you likethe mo, okay, so, uh, this girl
came out today and she said um,uh, she goes.
She like she pre-ambled it bysaying like I don't, I'm not
looking for anybody's sympathy,I just kind of want to give you
an idea of how he operated.
So he was aware of thevulnerability of women that he
chooses to engage with thedesire for a wholly

(06:23):
knowledgeable husband, first offwe're talking about voice of
reason, correct voice of reason.
I don't know the other guy, Ionly know alex.
Yeah, I don't know jared.
I know voice of reason in theway he has presented himself to
the public.
Okay, I've had some issues withsome of the things he said.
He's called out specific people.
He's made accusations againstpeople, uh, that that are

(06:44):
traditionalists, things likethat.
So he's called out specificpeople.
He's made accusations againstpeople that are traditionalist,
things like that.
So he's aware of thevulnerability of women.
He chooses to engage with thedesire for a wholly
knowledgeable husband, theunderstanding of the admiration
many have for him because he isa Catholic apologist.
I experienced it firsthand andmy desire to heal, forgive him.
All right, she goes throughthat, she says okay.

(07:10):
So my experience with Alex wasin December of last year.
He moved very quickly and toldme he liked me.
Within two days of texting him.
He attempted to initiatelustful conversation.
Very early on, when I tried tocorrect him and bring my
concerns up, he told me not tobeat myself up over it that
these desires were good, thatthey would bring us closer to
God if he willed it.
This is truth, but manipulatedtruth.
These desires are good in thecontext of marriage.

(07:31):
Not a week into texting, theattempt to engage in sin only
increased.
I have enough self-awareness toknow I play some role in it.
I'm no better than you, however.
I was the only one to stop itbefore things went beyond
implications.
I was only met with poorattempts of justification.
He continually expressed thedesire for marriage, spoke of
the need for urgency in startingmarriage, prep, meeting my

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family, love bombing andmanipulation 101.
So you see this in almost everywoman.
He spoke to a perversion of thesacrament of marriage to get
what he wanted.
Does this alone make him acancelable?
No, no, does it make him a badguy?
Probably.
You mean most people oursociety struggle to at some
point.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Uh, struggle with less yeah, her, her comment, her
commentary is just completelylike her commentary is pretty
stupid.
But you know, obviously she cantell us on a firsthand account
of you know about, uh, about him, he would basically um, he
would.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
This has been going on for about 10 years.
He would gain.
Like women are seeking a holyhusband, he goes in, tells them
he's going to be that thing forthem, makes them think he's
serious about it, gets arelationship going and then, as
soon as he gets what he wants,he would just ghost them.
Now Alex has kind of blown upover the last like six months.

(08:50):
I would say.
It started off with the JamesWhite debate, then he got to go
on with George Janko, then hewas on with Matt Fradd.
So this guy's kind of had likea whirlwind six months and as
his star rose, that's when, Ithink, all of this stuff finally
caught up with him.
When he was a small littlecontent creator, he was able to
go and move around like this.
But then if you're living adouble life like this, it's only

(09:10):
a matter of time before thisstuff kind of catches up with
you, and it's something thatevery, every person of notoriety
struggles with.
This isn't just a voice ofreason issue.
This is you see this inProtestant pastors, you saw this
with father karapi, you sawthis.
You see it in all aspects of of.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
When people gain notoriety, they start getting I
mean to be fair, his worstallegation was when he was a
nobody, so it's not like hestruggled with this because of
fame.
Yeah, it sounds like hestruggled with this as a
20-year-old grooming a15-year-old allegedly.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, I mean, the thing is he was kind of thrust
in the spotlight.
For those who don't know thebackground of Voice of Reason,
he was kind of thrust in thespotlight actually when he was
in his late teens I think he was16, and he started out a small
time like parish and diocesanstuff and then it only sort of

(10:07):
grew from there.
But yes, his actual Internetministry stuff is like last two
or three years.
But yeah, exactly what you said, anthony, coming from a
Protestant background, I knowyou, you cradle Catholics don't
have as much experience withthis occurring because there's
really not that many like superbig celebrity priests and for
the super big celebrity priestsit's not normal that these are

(10:30):
the type of guys who fall intotypes of impropriety, at least
in the Anglosphere.
But from my Protestantbackground it was all the time
you would hear about thesecelebrity pastors, and this is
what scares me the most, becausethey had a very strong pattern
this sort of issue would pop upof sexual impropriety.

(10:50):
They would repent, gounderground and then, like a
year later, they would pop backup and be in charge of a
different church, be in chargeof a different ministry.
And I really think that we havean obligation, we have an
opportunity right now of howwe're going to deal with this
sort of behavior.
Because are we going to nothave an adequate conception of

(11:15):
sin, repentance and thedisqualifying effects that
certain grave sins can have onopportunities for ministry?
Because sacred scripture isvery clear, the tradition is
very clear when it comes to themoral uprightness that is
necessary for these sorts ofpositions.
So we have to ask ourselves arewe going to fall into these

(11:36):
false conceptions and just kindof let him take a six-month
break and then come back and wepretend like everything's fine
and he continues on his career?
Or are we going to insist uponwhat the tradition and what
sacred scripture and what plainreason insists upon us doing
with the type of exclusion thatneeds to happen for people who

(11:57):
engage in this type of behavior,especially over a long period
of time?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You wonder if now, let's say, he is going to
confession for these things, if,if the penance he's receiving
is three hail Marys, right, likethis is because some of these
sins are millstone around yourneck, sins Like you're in a
position of authority and you'recausing one of these little
ones to sin, right.

(12:22):
So now you, you.
Now I don't know if he'smasking the severity of it when
he goes in, but you would thinka good priest would admonish him
enough that if, especially ifhe's going to the same priest,
like, talk about using theconfessional like a row and I'm
not trying to get into himspecifically, but like the if
you especially I'm glad we haveyou on for this christian

(12:44):
because you know this stuffbetter than us but if somebody
committed fornication like this,like a typical penance in the
tradition would be way more thanthree Hail Marys, I would
imagine.
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean for acts like that itwould be months of penance.
You know it's in some casesyears of penance.
It's extremely, extremelyserious.
And the reason that we treatthese things so seriously is
because these types of sins,they really do wound one's soul,
one's dispositions, one'sreason.

(13:17):
That's another thing not tomake a pun right there, but
one's reason is completely well,not completely, but in a large
degree corrupted by sexual sins,like sexual sins, sins of the
flesh.
St Thomas, he says that thedevil rejoices the most in
carnal sins because they are theeasiest to trick men into and

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the hardest to draw men awayfrom.
So really, when you have thesetypes of failings, especially,
there's there's other issues,obviously, when it comes to
different sins, but these sins,especially sins against the
sixth and ninth commandment,they especially invigilantly
need to be rooted out,especially amongst the people

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who are the publicrepresentatives, because, as we
see, you know the the type ofviolations of other people, the
type of violations of trust, thetype of violations of the good
of the community, because thisreally affects everyone.
I mean, you have somebody likethat, like you said, if you had
your daughter in this type ofsituation, you'd be pissed.

(14:20):
Now, expand this.
Do you want a voice of reason,knowing that he has this sort of
long career of doing this typeof behavior?
Do you want him around anynumber of youth?
Obviously nobody wants himaround any number of youth.
There was just a picture of himyesterday.
He was at some sort of parishspeaking to a youth group On

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Friday, the 11th.
Last Friday he was at a parishyouth group, a youth group, on
friday the 11th last friday hewas, oh, friday.
Yeah, sorry, but um, you knowyou, you see this, these types
of things, and it's such a adamaging, uh, such damaging
behavior.
It's like it's really hard totrust.
You know somebody around,people of the opposite sex after
this sort of behavior happens.
So I'm sorry rob.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
you want to go when you asked or, hypothetically, is
he confessing this to a priest?
It should be noted that, ifeverything surrounding these
allegations is true, that apriest most certainly did know,
and that's why he was removed ascatechist from a parish, why

(15:27):
was he allowed to?
Why were people not told whenhe started speaking at youth
conferences?
Have there not been regulationsput in place in the church to
prevent stuff like that?
After the recent scandals,Speaking at conferences?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I don't think so.
But catechists, I woulddefinitely think.
But speaking at conferences,catechist, I would definitely
think.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Right, like um but, speaking of confidence, if a
parish knew about theseallegations enough to remove him
as a catechist and it mighteven be why he was stopped going
to seminary right that he wasforced to because people knew
was there not an obligation tothat speculative it is
speculative, yeah sure, but alot of this surrounding this
stuff is yeah, that's the otherthing, like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
So when, when this was brought to us, like a week
and a half, two weeks ago, wewere like there's no way we
could talk about this.
Like we we actually told theperson to, we put them in touch
with, like an investigativejournalist and we tried to make
sure this was handled properly.
And then somebody just kind ofdumped everything out there
today, handled properly, andthen somebody just kind of

(16:27):
dumped everything out theretoday.
So, like all of this I don'tknow how much of this is
confirmed, but it looks as ifit's, I mean, catholic answers
uh, got rid of his entire pagetoday.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
so you would think if he denied the claims they they
might not do that I, I actually,um, I talked to a few people
within the, the Inc, the depthsof Catholic Inc, because, you
know, I still have myrelationships with some of them.
I actually talked to one ofthem and he was confronted last

(16:54):
night by somebody in that circle, one of the big influencers,
that's.
Another thing that I want tobring up is at least the
response from a lot of theinfluencers within his circle.
You know, the know picture ofthe I don't know 12, 13
somewhere, probably like around10 influencers standing there.
Um, you know, having now knownthe responses of some of them,

(17:17):
uh, from private, you knowsources talking to him and
things like that, um, theirresponses are overall very upset
, pissed, you know, didn't knowabout it.
So I actually don't, I actuallybelieve a lot of these people
that they just didn't know thatalex was engaging in this type
of behavior.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Um, because, yeah, he was confronted about this and
you know they're they're nothappy and it sounds like the
so-called cover-up not that iteven needs to be called that,
but the people who were runningcover were doing more for over
the wretched saint stuff and alot less people if anyone knew

(17:58):
about the voice of reason stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, from my understanding, nobody knew about
the voice of reason stuff.
Everybody just knew about thewretched saint stuff.
But you know, I mean that thatsituation's also um, I I have a
lot, a lot less of you guys areobviously interested in the
wretched saint stuff, um, but Ithink it's illustrative.
With the wretched saint stuff,the uh, I don't know how real
the cover-up actually was,because it does.

(18:23):
It does very much seem like theperson who was giving this
information while theinformation was verified.
The person giving theinformation was like sort of uh,
mentally insane might be thebest way of putting it and this
mentally insane woman harassed abunch of the different

(18:43):
influencers and got restrainingorders put out against her and
stuff like that.
So it makes sense why she gotinsta-blocked every time they
tried to reach out to them.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
So I don't think it was a systematic cover-up or
anything like that, I think alsoyou and I spoke on the phone
today about this Like just kindof being more careful about who
you allow on your show, becausethis idea of oh, oh, somebody
has a big profile, let me justget them on my show to raise my
own profile like that stuffcomes with danger right it's
like it's like just pickingsomebody because they have a big

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following without actuallyknowing anything about them, or
anything like that.
Like keeping your the peoplethat you seem to have a good
relationship with, that haveworked for a while, and just
keeping your inner circle smallseems to be the way to go with
this stuff.
But, um, I also want to talkabout the the like how
ill-equipped the church seems tobe to handle the challenges

(19:34):
actually facing young men andwomen, and also, I don't want to
let the women off the hooktotally for all this stuff
either.
Like we're gonna have to getinto that too, yeah, um, because
a lot of this just seems likejilted lover revenge stuff at
the same time I mean, it'sbasically just like revenge porn
, but you know, like the otherway around, yeah, like they're,
they're, they're.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I think most, I think most men would rather have you
know their inappropriate voicesimping audios leaked.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, but okay.
So to what the church seemslike, the hierarchy seems to be
like I saw today and one of thebishops were out protesting
immigration.
We've seen them taking a kneefor BLM.
They're talking about climatechange, but it seems like no one

(20:32):
in the church wants to addressthe actual issues facing young
men today, which, I mean thebiggest takeaway you'll get if
you read through these texts andstuff is that we're talking
about a generation of men whoare just completely destroyed by
the stuff they're watching onthe internet just just complete
corn brain gooner behavior, likestuff you would like I.
I mean, it made me very happythat I'm much older and I never

(20:53):
had to deal with online datingapps and having to text girls
and things like that, but justwhat is the church doing to
address these young men and thechallenges they're facing?
Like I feel like we're some ofthe only guys that are actually
talking about this stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, I mean it's, that's been something that
Hassan and I, particularly we'vetalked about this for the last
two or three years, I guess nowno-transcript, you know it's.

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It's kind of like modesty ofclothing for women.
It's like for women there'sthis sort of perpetual annoyance
that a lot of them will expresswhere they're, in good faith,
trying to seek the type ofclothings that they ought to
wear.
It's not inappropriate and youhaven't had guidance from the
church on this explicitly indecades and decades and decades.

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And really this, this leads toa lot of the sort of play things
for theologians and pastors andcommentators who can kind of
just for lack of a better phrase, they can just make shit up,
you know, and not actually youknow, have a foundation within,
you know the divine revelationfor the type of advice they're

(22:27):
giving.
They're just kind of justmaking it up, throwing it out
there, and it's just kind ofbased on their intuitions and a
lot of one of the biggest lossesis probably the loss of custom,
which I'm sure you guys, ascradle Catholics, know a lot
intuitively, a lot better than Ido.
There was this sort of force ofcustom with how these principles

(22:48):
were in place from generationsof Catholic life and people just
didn't need to be reallyexplained these things.
You know this was justsomething that was natural.
You know you just had from yourupbringing.
You knew you didn't do thisthing, you did do this thing.
This is what's right, this iswhat's wrong.
And now there's a lot morediscourse that has to happen.
You have to actually thinkthrough these problems in detail

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, and not having the authorityof the church backing up these
recommendations makes it verydifficult to actually, you know,
find consciences to followthese sorts of things.
And the heart is deceitfulabove all things, and we'll
we'll draw us towards whatreally is a bad idea on very
specious grounds.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So okay Now, earlier you said you don't think there's
.
You think you don't thinkthere's any scenario where we
should allow him to come backinto the public eye.
Right, here's Bobby's comment.
I think voice of reason shouldnever have a public ministry.
I hate when people call it aministry that's not sanctioned

(23:54):
by the church.
It's really a weird thing Again, and I understand the lady
shouldn't have a postulate'sreaction.
Holdsworth made a good point,though the hierarchy has
abandoned their role inevangelization.
I have no lay uh uh apologistsand stuff like that explaining
the faith.
I don't think that's the issue,but I I do think there should
be like a bare minimum.
If you're going to presentyourself publicly that you don't

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have an addiction to onlinefilth, like that should be like
the bare minimum.
It's.
It's not that high of a bar, Imean, and I'm not talking about
like, like somebody has a slipup on occasion, but like if you,
if you have no, if you don'thave the self-control to not
look at this stuff, you reallyshould not be presenting
yourself as any, any anything inthe you know to represent

(24:40):
catholicism in any way.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I would think yeah, yeah, I don't think so.
I, if I, if I did say that heshould never, never, in an
absolute sense, ever be let backin, that was on my part a
mistake.
I mis-expressed myself, becausewe do have, in certain
instances, after a long periodof discernment and repentance

(25:02):
and healing that comes onlythrough the Catholic spiritual
tradition you know, lived out inthe Catholic liturgical
tradition, sacramental tradition, lived out.
Unless there's been this sortof sustained effort that takes
place over a, you know, areasonable period of time,
that's discerned on the basis ofadvice from holy, wise and

(25:24):
prudent confessors, he shouldn'tcome back.
So that's why I use, like, thesix-month example, Like
obviously it would be absurd tothink that somebody could
overcome 10 years of this sortof pain in six months.
So we do have instances of, youknow, bad clerics or individuals
, other individuals who arelived a sinful life, you know,

(25:47):
even somewhat touching thepublic ministry, and they had
the, they had a sort ofconversion to God and eventually
became very useful for thechurch.
But I think we have to becareful about making these sorts
of lives of the saintsnormative for every situation.
Sorts of lives of the saintsnormative for every situation, I
think.

(26:07):
I think normally, likegenerally speaking, no, but uh,
obviously I don't want to makeit so exclusive.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I think that would be absurd I think he'd have a hard
time anyway.
I got like he lost all of hissupport system, like like part
of the way this whole thingwould work is that they would
all help each other.
Go on each other's shows,things like that, you know he's,
he's going on, this pocket isgoing on, that I don't.
I don't know how that wouldwork for him again.

(26:32):
So I don't, I don't know, man,but I think the the the best we
can hope for in this situationis that he, like god, is using
this to humble him and save hissoul, right, like if this thing
came out.
There's got to be a silverlining in it that he was going

(26:52):
down such a dark path that Godbrought these things to light
for his own sake.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, absolutely, in the, in the bogus ordo, on
Sunday, our Sunday gospel wasthe good Samaritan.
On Sunday, our Sunday gospelwas the Good Samaritan.
And I, you know, I was talkingto my friend Hassan last night
and I was like Hassan, you know,I just, like you know, can't we
just do this sort of liketheological all test thing where

(27:17):
we just like focus on thesesorts of things and not have to
worry about, you know, whateveris happening in these realms and
having to argue with people whothink that we should cover
these things up or, you know,not have to bother with these,
or that it's these sins to talkabout this, like why can't we
just, you know, not deal withthe pushback and just deal with
other things?

(27:37):
And Hassan said, well, rememberthe gospel.
You know who is my neighbor andin many ways, you know, voice
of reason has become theneighbor for a lot of us.
Where he is, you know, beatenby robbers and all this stuff
has been taken, he's left fordead, spiritually speaking.

(27:58):
And you have a lot of people whoare acting like the Levite and
like the priest, thinking that,you know, they don't, they,
they're too good to dirty theirhands in this sort of situation
or through absurd readings ofthe law, thinking in a in a way
that's not in keeping with whatdivine revelation says about
morals that we just have.
We should just ignore caseswhere public figures have these

(28:20):
sorts of falls, but really thatthat's a form of cowardice.
It's a form of cowardice havethese sorts of falls, but really
that's a form of cowardice.
It's a form of cowardice.
It's a form of a lack of mercytowards another person, towards
one of our brethren who havefallen, and a lot of times like
this, these sorts ofconversations and bringing this
forward to public attention isvery painful for him.
You know it's very, you know,not comfortable for us.

(28:42):
It's painful for him, but it'ssomething which is necessary for
for our healing, uh, for hishealing and the healing of the
entire church, to get rid ofthis scourge that affects so
many people the also okay.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
So, like I, I've also noticed that a lot of the I
always thought you should havebeen their guy, like you always
had a way of.
I always thought you shouldhave been their guy, like you
always had a way of, because weyou and I have disagreed on
Francis and stuff like that.
But you never were like thisannoying.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Pope splainer.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I always felt like there was some weird disordered
thing with the Pope splainersegments that I never thought it
was about liturgy at all.
I always thought like there wassomething about like the laxed
moral demands of the wayCatholicism is presented now
that they actually prefer to thetraditional faith and the moral
standards it puts on you.
And it seems like all thoseguys that like were so adamant

(29:41):
to defend things like that.
We're so adamant to defendthings like that.
There's always something thatwinds up coming up in the long
run, like that where I alwaysreally did think that you should
have been their guy because youalways had a way of saying, all
right, look, we don't have tolike praise francis for this,
but like we can make it worklike we can make it work now we
know that clearly you don't, youdon't want to be their guy.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well, that's another that's another thing.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah, I mean, I I think um in in many ways that I
I respect, I respect the peopleum who, with, with due
preparation, with good uh reason, go into those sorts of
positions, because it does getreally frustrating.
I know for a lot of apologistsat that level.

(30:27):
Sometimes they want to, youknow, go in a little bit more
detail or explain things alittle bit more.
There's always this um temptate.
Well, there's always this riskthat when you simplify things,
that people are going tomisunderstand and misconstrue
what you have to say.
So I always respect people thatare at that, you know, at that
sort of ministry, but that'sjust never been what I've been

(30:47):
interested in.
I don't, I don't have thecapabilities for.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Well, the thing is, I think a lot of people were
raising the alarms with Francisbecause they saw what he was
doing was laxing the moralstandards once again.
Right, like so he's talkingabout fiducia, supplicants and
things like that.
It's like so, by by loweringthe moral standards of the
church, what you're doing ingeneral, it's not really about
the same sex couple anymore.

(31:12):
Now you're kind of givingeverybody the impression that,
like, sins of the flesh don'treally matter.
You know, it's not that big ofa deal, uh, and like, in terms
of like the most damning, no,like pride is always going to be
the most severe sin, but sinsof the flesh lead to sins of the
heart.
So it's like, you know.

(31:33):
That's why I've seen people postthat meme where it's like lust,
the final boss or something.
It's like no, no, that'sactually like the entry level
boss lust.
If you can't conquer that, likeit's conquering, that is like
the entryway boss lust.
If you can't conquer that, likeit's conquering, that is like
the entryway to the spirituallife.
You're not getting anywhereuntil you get that under control
.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Really yeah, absolutely, because there's a.
You know, when it comes to andthis is, this is, I think, one
of the big um, perpetual sins ofa lot of catholic ink morality.
Morality because they do moraltheology in a very laxist way.
They are hyper, they'rebasically hyper laxists when it

(32:10):
comes to moral theology.
If, if the church has not madea decision on something, then
you can basically do whateveryou want, which is almost almost
definition, laxism, right there, which the church is condemned.
But I think the cardinal sin isthat they don't have an adequate
understanding of original sinand the continual effects of

(32:30):
original sin in theconcupiscence of the flesh.
That's always going to staywith us and we have to be
vigilant to avoid occasions ofsin.
You know, I was actuallythinking about this.
I went to confession yesterdayand I was, I was saying the, the
occasion of sin part and I justlike I it just kind of, let me,
you know, to pause for a second, you know, and just think about

(32:52):
.
You know, I'm, I'm promising toGod to avoid occasions of sin,
because I know, you know, the,the presence of concupiscence
will always, you know, remainwithin me.
The effects of original sin andactual sin will always remain
with me, the biggest povertiesof a lot of the contemporary
moral theology is they reallydon't take seriously how damaged

(33:16):
people are generally byoriginal sin and then also by
actual sin.
The culture around us, the typeof occasions and temptations
like you were mentioning withtexting girls one-on-one People
don't realize that, even if, asSt Paul says, you know all
things are lawful but not allthings are profitable.
So even if, even if some ofthese things may be, you know,

(33:37):
technically proper for one toengage in which you know I
dispute whether some of them are, even if they are, if I were to
concede that argument you knowthis is unprofitable and people
know themselves that they'rethey're too weak.
You know we're very, very weak.
People know themselves thatthey're too weak.
You know we're very, very weak.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
And with these types of temptations, you know, even
if you think criticizingsomebody for you know it's like
it happens a lot.
I mean you look at how manypeople during the Me Too
movement like jumped on boardcondemning Weinstein or whatever
his name was, and the nextthing you know there's 10 women
coming out and accusing that guyof the same.
There's no women that are everaccusing me of this.
I'm just saying, like you worry, when you go and you point at

(34:39):
the sins of another, that thatthing will come back and and
haunt you and you'll have thatmoment of weakness and you'll
give in.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean like to be honest, this is, this is
terrifying, like I was, I thinkI I said that exactly to you.
I'm like, dude, this isterrifying.
I don't know like I canconfidently say I don't know
what is going on with anybodyaround me like, and again, it
could, it could be.
You know, I've I've thesethings, I've seen them pop up

(35:08):
time and time again.
You don't know who, who in thesort of Catholic influencer
sphere is doing these sorts ofthings, engaging this sort of
behavior, and the amount ofsouls that are going to be
damaged with the downfall.
So I think it's very importantfor anybody out there who might
be a Catholic influencer ifyou're listening and you're
struggling with this type ofbehavior, step back.

(35:30):
I mean, the downfall will ruinpeople's souls and you will be
held responsible for it.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Well, you think about how many people really did look
up to Alex and thought he wasthis great apologist and they
thought he was so great at whathe did.
Like you think about the amountof people, especially young
people, who, when they seesomething like this, like it
really does scandalize them,like there's a lot of young
people who are heartbroken,right you know we we saw when we

(35:57):
had those couple of episodeskind of criticizing alex before
all this stuff came out.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
You know just how many people were saying that he
helped them come to the churchand and things like that.
And I can't imagine being oneof them now and finding out what
we all just found out.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I think it gets worse though, because what I noticed,
at least in my Protestantupbringing, is a lot of people
would look at these sexualfailings from a lot of the
Christian influencer types inthe Protestant sphere, and they
would look at that and actuallythe thoughts that they would
have is oh, even this guy who Isee as this like spiritually
great individual, is fallinginto these types of sins.

(36:36):
So I guess it's not that badwhen I do it, and I knew this
mindset.
There's going to be a lot ofpeople who will be committing
sexual sins today, this week,this month, this year, because
they saw Alex do it and theydon't think it's that big of a
deal anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
So much of what I'm seeing, especially in the
apologetics world, is basicallyit's faith alone, except it's
faith to a larger set ofpropositions, right?
So, like you have theProtestant, the Protestants will
say, like, just put your faithin Jesus Christ and and all your

(37:12):
sins are forgiven.
And what I'm seeing in like the, the apologetics world seems to
be like no, no, no, it's faithplus the sacraments and stuff
like that.
But it's still just an ascentto a set of propositions and not
about changing your way of lifeand and actually living out a
thing.
It's like, well, yeah, well, Igo to mass on Sunday and I live

(37:32):
that, but it's not aboutactually like putting a moral
demand on you to change thesethings.
It's not about sanctification,and I think people do use the
confessional as a revolving doorand they're like, well, I'll
just go to the amount ofpresumption that is going on
right now because people thinkthat they learn the apologetic

(37:54):
argument of confession you know,forgiving your sin.
So they, they will sin, justassuming.
Well, I'll just go toconfession before I go to mass
and it's just basically livingas faith alone.
Except I got the, I gotabsolution before I went and I
received, so I keep justre-upping my, my you know my
relationship with God, withoutactually figuring out how you're

(38:16):
going to get this thing rootedout of your life.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, that is actually something I've noticed
and this is something acrosschurch history is that some of
the, some of the people,especially the people with moral
heresies like heresies andmoral theology they were
especially good defenders, likeespecially good apologists for
the Catholic faith.
It happens across history.

(38:42):
This isn't like just acontemporary thing and
apologetics really does suck.
A lot of the joy of beingCatholic, a lot of the yeah, a
lot of the joy of being Catholic, a lot of the significance of
being Catholic, is kind of goingthrough this revolving door of,

(39:04):
you know, answering objectionsand explaining concepts in a
basic way and answering the sameobjection over and over again.
I do think that this makespeople view the faith in a
completely defensive manner.
It happens a lot Rather thanwhen they're thinking about the
Trinity, you know, they'rethinking about how they can

(39:25):
defeat Muslims.
When they're arguing about theTrinity, they're not thinking
about, well, what does theTrinity have to do with the
spiritual life?
You know, what does the Trinityteach me about society?
What does the Trinity teach meabout my family?
You know how can I love Godmore through knowing that he is
a Trinity, and then the same asyou mentioned for confession and
a lot of other doctrines aswell.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
There's people that were told they could chew the
host.
Do you believe this?
This?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
is the state of Catholic apologetics at this
point.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I was told I could chew the host.
What kind of heathen chews thehost?
Are you people crazy?
And you know what they use forjustification?
Well, if you go to the Greek,it says to gnaw.
We're not Greek.
You got to be kidding me.
We're Roman Catholics.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
We don't chew the host.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I'm a roman, so true don't chew the host, like the
greeks, you know in allseriousness, all the, all the
catechisms, basically do saythis not to chew the host um,
yeah, there was a.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
There was a few other things that stood out to me in
this whole thing.
Like, um, it was definitelyjust the, the inability of the
church to to face this scenario.
Um, the response about, andalso I think that I think that
if you have kids, and especiallyteenagers, maybe use this

(40:50):
scenario as a teaching momentfor your kids.
Like I, I'm going to have a sitdown with my children and just
show that like, because a bigpart of this is look, alex was
raised by a single mom.
Okay, and I'm not, you know,I'm not trying to knock his
family life or anything, but hedidn't have a father in the home
teaching him you cannot runthrough women like this.

(41:12):
Like you can't.
Just because, look, there'ssomething to what alex was doing
, where it's like he was good atgetting girls and he honed that
skill and it's like if he wassecular and just a regular
celebrity, that would be fine.
But like if you're going to becatholic yeah, I'm not saying
it's actually fine, whatever.
You know what I mean likethere's, there's something about

(41:34):
like there.
Okay, so I'm watching two sidesof the argument.
Basically, is what I'm sayinglike there's, there's some guys
who are so inadequate at meetinga girl that they they don't
they don't even know how to talkto girls.
And then you have this otherside, where it's Alex, where
he's like a, like a predator.

(41:54):
Essentially, you know and theredoes need to be for young men
who are seeking a girl, you doneed to have a little bit of a
honed skill to to attract a girland be able to talk to her.
But what he was doing was sotwisted and warped.
So, you know, I'm just kind ofwatching two different sides of
this whole thing, where youngmen are like giving up on the

(42:15):
hope of marriage and then younggirls are dealing with either
having the guy who's afraid totalk to them, or the guy who
does talk to them treats themlike this.
So it's a.
I don't know what.
I don't know what the answer isin this whole situation.
He's just saying you gotta haveriziz, yeah, essentially I mean
that's really what I'm saying,but use it only for good, not

(42:36):
evil Riz, but use it for good,yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I think it's.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
With a great Riz comes great responsibility.
That's Look at you guys.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
You guys are helping me Save me on that one Thank you
, yeah, no, but as fathers likewe have sons, like it's an
important conversation for us tohave with our sons that you
don't just run through girls andabuse them like I.
I'm going to use this wholescenario show my kids especially
how nothing you do online isever private, like I don't care.

(43:07):
Oh, and the other main thing Ireally wanted to talk about
tonight there's one thing in umlike passively participating in
online filth where it like comesacross your screen and you, you
know, passively kind of see itand then whatever you you might

(43:28):
have some sins associated withthat, but when you're a man
trying to coerce a girl intogiving you one of these pictures
of herself, you now become apornographer.
Like there's something so vileand such a notch higher about
that and you girls that areactually giving these photos
over, you're essentiallyproviding a personal only fans

(43:49):
for a guy to live out hisfantasies.
Where he's like this, the levelof culpability is raised to
such a higher level than justpassively seeing filth on the
internet.
In a scenario like this,absolutely, I agree I was hoping
for a little more out of youthan that, but okay I mean I

(44:11):
could, I could do some, I coulddo some.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yap um, especially on this issue.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
What's christian gonna say?
Yeah, anthony, you're right,that's very jewish of them.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Oh my god, that's a local sign.
Rob what do, you do you saidyou wanted more, I gave you more
.
How is my boomer showing I'm,I'm.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I thought that was a really good plan to freaking
work that one out it's crazy Imean, I was just seeing this
statistic like 11 12 year oldgirls I think it's like nine and
ten of them have been asked forinappropriate pictures of
themselves online.
Um, so, like my, my daughtersare never going on the internet.
I can tell you that right now,um yeah, like you know, it is

(44:51):
just not happening.
I don not happening, I don'tcare, I literally don't care.
Say whatever you want, call meunrealistic, I do not care.
I grew up on the Internet.
They're not going on theInternet ever, ever Around these
guys, these guys.
They act like gremlins, nevermy daughter is never.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
We've talked about it on the show before.
It's like the idea that mydaughter is just going to go and
date some guy and I'm going tohave no input on it is just
absurd to me.
You know, anthony, blah, blah,blah, blah blah.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Wagner yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
But it is.
It is, you know, shocking thatthis is, that this is used by a
lot of the socially awkwardpeople that you were talking
about.
A lot of them will, you know,have these sort of pseudo-e
relationships.
A lot of the you know CatholicDiscord communities, you know,
monthly, they'll have thesescandals where you know one of

(45:47):
the guys who is considered, youknow, like a knowledgeable
member of the community is goingthrough you know some of the
women in the community and youknow, like a knowledgeable
member of the community is goingthrough you know the some of
the women in the community andyou know, getting explicit
pictures and engaging in thissort of behavior.
It's, it's very common.
I mean it's probably I've seenit at least a dozen times.
It's many different figures.

(46:08):
I mean we just had the one with, uh, the one fellow, um akino
akino.
He um did this sort of behaviorwith a underaged woman and,
well, underage girl, um,underage girl, and you know he's
this scholastic, apologist typeguy.
It's, uh, it's, it's very, verycommon, um, common, and this is

(46:31):
why, you know, you just need toever remain vigilant.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
To the younger guys that are in this world and
you're doing the online datingthing and you're probably you
know you're trying to meet aCatholic girl.
You might meet her and she'sacross the country and you know
it's the only way you have totalk.
All I'm going to say is thisyou may assent to a set of
propositions and say you believethe faith, but at a certain
point, if you don't actuallylive that out like um, it's

(47:01):
essential.
Look, I'm speaking fromexperience here.
Like I, I I was a cradlecatholic.
I was catholic my entire life.
There was a period of timewhere I was sleeping with my
girlfriend out of wedlock.
Like you can't, you can'tmaintain that and remain
Catholic.
Like you will leave the faith.
Like you can't.
It's an incongruent lifestyle,right?

(47:23):
So yeah.
So, like I may have never, likeI always was Catholic, but at
the same time I was living asthough God didn't exist.
And just you know, I would haveassented and said, yeah, no,
I'm Catholic and I believe thesethings.
But if your lived experienceand what you speak about are so
far apart, eventually one willgo Like you'll either leave the

(47:45):
lifestyle or you'll leave thesacraments and the faith.
You can't coexist in a mortallysinful scenario for an extended
period of time.
You might get away with it hereand there, but eventually God's
going to give you what you wantand you're going to receive
God's wrath and he's going tosay, okay, you want this, Go
ahead, have it.
And there won't be any of theinstances of chastisement that

(48:07):
he'll give you to try and callyou back home, and that is God's
wrath.
He'll just give you what youwant and and you'll just be cast
off to your own devices.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, yeah, st Thomas , he makes a statement.
He says that, um, lust is mostabhorred among men because the,
something like the, theconcupiscible appetite, is
shared between us and beastsLust, lust makes us like under
the beasts, you know it makes.
It makes, uh, turns men intoanimals, destroys their

(48:37):
rationality.
And you know, what we see isthat, with a lot of people who
are completely, uh, you know,engrossed and lost and fall into
this type of behavior, you knowthey legitimately lose.
You know their rationality,well, the act of their
rationality, and they are,everything becomes ordered to.
You know, this habit, this, uh,this addiction that they have,

(49:01):
um, and then you, that is theirend, you know, and, like saint
paul says, make their god theirbellies.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
you know, but a little bit different than that,
the digital component into andit really is like a dope
addiction, right, like it's notjust so, like you have, you have
the, the, because there'salways.
Men have always struggled withlust, but once you add this
digital element into it and thelikes and the dopamine hits that
you're getting from this stuff,it really is like a drug

(49:26):
addiction that just will spiralout of out of control if we
allow it.
It's um, we've just seen enoughof the public.
The catholic public figureshave their downfall like this.
I, I was impressed by one thingthat I I want to play rob, I
sent it to you.
It's uh, it's christian's videoI sent you.

(49:48):
I don't want you.
You gotta just play this,because I we have to talk about
your gooner radar, like there'ssomething so like unbelievably
spectacular.
I've seen you do it a few times.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I mean to be fair, a lot, of a lot of us saw.
I mean not that we saw thespecifics coming, but a lot of
us had a sense that somethingwas off.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
But I mean, look, he's a young guy.
I I honestly never would havethought this.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I really didn't, because the way he's a gundar,
yes, you have this.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You have this, this detectable, like you can just
tell when somebody's sayingsomething that's a little too
much like brain rot and it was areally.
It was just a subtle thing thatI would have never picked up on
and you got it, but we got toplay this real quick.
That's a great to use, beth,these societal problems.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
For example you, I know you have.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Why is that so quiet?
Volume, volume, volume.
We turned it down last time formusic.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
For example, you I know you have fruits, bro, in
fact, with my sister it's like Ijust threw the phone.
I wanted to give him a hug.
When people meet somebody who'sno premarital hugs.
Christ-like.
You could tell, because they'reChrist-like.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
The fruits are there.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
I need your prayers, man.
I need you to pray for me,because that's something that
we're all working on and shoutout to your sister, man.
Your sister's amazing too.
So sweet.
You know the accommodation.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
No premarital hugs.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
You guys are a sweetheart man, and so are you,
you're a sweetheart.
No, no, the looks are too good,so yeah, so going back to what
the church.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Okay, no premarital hugs.
And you just kept looking up atthe screen like that, the no
premarital hugs.
And you just kept looking up atthe screen like that, like you
knew something was going on.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I mean, yeah, right, when the information you know
came, right right when actuallyI I texted hasan the things and
I said I'm almost like I can'tconfirm this, like obviously
don't talk to anybody about this, but you know it's, it's voice
of reason, you know I can.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I just had, like my, a few of you saw the rumblings
ahead of time Saying thatsomething's about to come out
and you kind of knew it would bewhen you when you look at it's
kind of like it's kind of like amovie where you, you, you see

(52:13):
the conclusion.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Then you kind of look back at it, yeah, like there's,
there's things, there's certainpositions that people take on
certain problems, there arecertain ways in which people
phrase things.
I, I don't know it's, it's likea little bit intuitive, but
yeah, it's the being called tobe single thing.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Was well, rob, can you pull that clip up, can you?
Can you pull that?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
clip up.
Can you pull that clip?
Because everybody look, thisactually set off like a
firestorm on Twitter becauseeverybody started talking about
the vocation to the single life.
And Rob, I remember when yousaw that immediately because I
think we critiqued it on ourshow that night we did and you
were like what are these guystalking about?
A vocation to the single life?

(52:54):
Because I think he was verynervous when matt asked him
about marriage.
I think he knew he had.
He had to be very careful how heanswered that because there
were several things I mean, hewas literally texting probably
that day, yeah yeah, so I thinkthere were several like he was

(53:14):
very nervous when that questionwas asked and his response was
really strange and it kind ofcaused like this firestorm on
twitter where I remember aratechelly was getting involved and
she's like what is everybodytalking?
I think it's a woman who runsarate, right, it is oh, I
interacted with that account.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
That one's on the list.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
No, Lexi.
Lexi blocked this account frommy phone.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, the Rarate and Fish Eaters are both women.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, I mean all seriousness on that small aspect
.
By the way, I've been veryclear since the beginning.
Anytime like there is anecessary conversation that I
have to have with a woman overdms, I tell my wife and I'm like
this is the person's name, thisis where it's happening.
You know, check my phone,whatever my.

(54:07):
Obviously my wife has my phonepassword.
She knows how to get on myphone like she uses my computer
all the time, um, but you knowyou need to have those
guardrails, you know, to avoid.
You know, obviously, for all ofthese women.
I have no inkling that I wouldsomehow, you know, have an
inappropriate relationship withany of them, but you know it's I

(54:30):
.
I promised god every time I goto confession that I will avoid
anything leading me.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, I'll never have an appropriate conversation in
a DM with a woman ever, like myphone stays open.
My, my kids could pick my phone.
I mean they might read somecrazy stuff I said on Twitter,
but that's the extent of it.
They don't understand.
Daddy what do?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
you mean about that?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Never mind, daddy, what do you mean about the heart
, never mind a few wild tweets,but other than that, you know,
there's literally nothingthey'll ever see on my phone
that they shouldn't what's thehard r daddy?
Oh my daughter actually saidthat she, she, she told my wife,
me and my wife the other dayshe goes.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Anthony blew a karate spot Okay go on Twitter right
now.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
How do you guys not know you can't tell when you're
talking to a woman?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Did you not know when she had her reaction to the
whole Russia-Ukraine war?
Come on, guys.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Stop gossiping about karate.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I like karate, shelly , but I can always tell when I'm
talking to a woman.
You got stop gossiping aboutrarate.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I like rarate chelsea stop, I do too, but I could
always.
I could always tell when I'mtalking to a woman.
You got, you got gooner radar.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I got female radar okay, are we ready to watch this
clip?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
all right, let's play the clip so what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
hoping for marriage or looking at the priesthood, or
neither right now or what.
Honestly, I've been thinkingabout this a lot lately too.
I feel like I'm being called tojust remain single.
So I was in the seminary for awhile, discerned out of it, and

(56:09):
then a lot of Byzantine prieststhat I know is, hey, man, you
get married and then you can bea Byzantine priest, but I don't
think I'm called to that either.
And then when I look at justmarriage by itself, I don't
think I'm called to that either.
So I don't know.
Well, it sounds like you'reintrospective in a good sense,
and it sounds like you'reprocessing this, maybe with a
spiritual father.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
So I think, if you're doing both of those things,
Maybe he's self-aware enough toknow Because, look, I'll tell
you something else about ifyou're, if you're living the way
he supposedly was, you'reactually not capable of marriage
.
When you're like you'reactually not, you're not, your
behavior will not change justbecause you got married.

(56:44):
So he would get married, he'dbe going to these conferences
and he'd have side pieces, yeah,so, like, maybe he's just
self-aware there, because I'mtelling you, you cannot do the
things he's doing and then thinkmarriage is going to fix that
you're absolutely right aboutthis.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
A lot of people, the way they think about you, know
these sorts of issues, like youknow.
Oh, if I have a porn addiction,oh sorry, corn addiction
whatever you can say.
I mean, I think you could saysomeone has an addiction to
pornography, you know, and theyand they're like, oh, I'm going
to get over this because I'mjust going to go and get married
and it's all going to be fine,Like you're an idiot.
You're an idiot, especially ifyou're a Catholic.

(57:20):
You're an idiot, Like Catholicsas married men.
There are many times duringmarriage in which one must
restrain from.
You know, abstain, yeah, Toabstain.
I don't know why I couldn'tthink of the word abstain.
There's many times when one hasto abstain for sometimes weeks

(57:42):
at a time.
You know, and if you don't havethe discipline to not watch
pornography, you're cooked, youknow you're absolutely cooked,
and it's going to ruin yourmarriage.
Okay, watch pornography.
You're cooked, you know you'reabsolutely cooked, and it's
going to ruin your marriage,Okay, so it the.
I hate when I hear people sayoh, you know, somebody's going
around fornicating andsomebody's going and has a porn
addiction.
They should just get married sothey can deal with it.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
That's the no.
Yeah, if you, if you're look,if you have a porn addiction, it
doesn't get easier when you getmarried.
Now you're just committingadultery, essentially of the
heart, like you're just.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
That's a violation.
What the first?
You're violating chastity.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Now you're also violating justice, the rights
that you're that are due to yourspouse yeah, there's something
that I've always made sure mychildren and my wife know, and
that's that I only have whiteeyes for my wife.
Like I don't, I practicecustody of the eyes at all times
.
I never look at anything but mywife.
It's such an important lesson,especially when you have sons.

(58:40):
I need my son to know that hisdad is not being a hypocrite
when he talks to him about thesethings and that, no, your
father loves your mother andonly your mother, and that is it
.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Look at the floor.
Eyes to the floor.
It's the summer.
Eyes to the floor.
Okay, no, looking at thesebroads.
No, looking at the look.
You just know they dress bad,they dress inappropriately.
You shouldn't look at them.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Or if you're a plain kind of autist look up.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah or yeah, or look up, yeah, or look up Eyes away.
Okay, don't even risk it.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
You idiots, and you're looking.
What you've done is you'vegiven a bunch of sixes the idea
that they're tens Right, so nowyou've got to.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Like headphones on, put on the playlist, put on the
TikTok brain rot playlist of allthe songs that are put on
TikTok brain rot based edits andlook at the ground and walk.
Just look completely autisticas you walk around.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
You guys gave the impression to a bunch of sixes
that they're tens.
Now they're all walking aroundwith this freaking attitude like
they think they're all thehottest chick in the world.
It's really obnoxious.
Stop giving them this attention.
They don't deserve it.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah, zoomers can blame the older millennials for
that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
And then, rob, let's play the Majarians clip that I
put in there also.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I haven't watched that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
This one was pretty Rough to watch.
Did you see this one, christianthe cookie?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
No, we're not playing that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I don't want to hear about any cookies anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Hearing that once was more than enough.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Listen to this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
The thing like this one.
You're right, reputation issuper important and it's only a
matter of time before somethingI say something stupid or do
something stupid, just becauseI'm stupid and I scandalize
everybody, or something willcome out about me or something.
That's stupid and I scandalizeeverybody and I want everyone to

(01:00:49):
know.
Like me, I'm just a guy.
I'm really just a guy.
I'm not special.
I'm just a guy.
I'm really just a guy.
I'm not special.
I'm not important.
I'm not holy, yet not as holyas I should be.
I have a lot of issues.
I have a lot of problems.
I have things that I strugglewith.
I've hurt people.
I've hurt you.
I've hurt people that I love,people that I've never wanted to
hurt, you know, because I'mstill a work in progress.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
He's getting choked up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
It's only a matter of time before you know the
beautiful thing about being out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Why is he still online?
You know like come on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I think it's cognitive dissonance, like when
I first saw that clip.
I was actually very happy to seethat clip because I do think
this requires, you know, beyondthe hypocrisy and the cognitive
dissonance, it does require somesort of you know it's a
Catholic.
Theologians traditionallydistinguish between three ways

(01:01:51):
in which the conscience relatedagainst an act.
You can either act according toconscience, against conscience
or without conscience.
The most dangerous place youcan be is acting without
conscience, when your conscienceis completely seared and you're
just not.
You're acting like the beasts,you know, not even doing moral
reasoning about any of your acts, and this just shows that he's

(01:02:12):
acting against his conscience.
Uh, which is much better thanhaving a seared conscience.
It it means that there's, youknow, there, there still is the
the sort of the light of thelight of God shining in, you
know, directing him towardswhat's right, and he's just
ignoring it.
Um, but this, this leads a lotof room for, for repentance, and
so that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I gotta tell you I kind of agree, look, look.
So, alex, if you I know I don'tknow if you're going to watch
this, cause I'm sure you'regoing through a lot, but if you
do catch this, I know it seemslike the end of the world right
now.
I've seen people go through,I've gone through minor internet
skirmishes where it feels likeeverybody's against you.
This stuff does pass, right andit does it.

(01:02:54):
This stuff does pass, and ifyou turn the internet off it
really goes away, like it'sreally just online.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
This is not one of those situations I don't, he's
not gonna be able to go to hisparish but I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Well, that's true.
Yeah, that's this.
Is that's true?

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Yeah, this is not just an online thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Maybe you might be right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
But him being found out is probably the best thing
that ever happened to him.
Now he's free from the fear ofconfession because it has
happened.
Now he can truly repent.
Now he's not going to be ableto see that in the moment, but
like the worst freaking thingsin the world that happened to us
like you never see God's handin it in the moment but you do
see it in hindsight Like thegreatest struggles I've ever

(01:03:38):
gone through.
I thought God abandoned me andthen, when you see it in
hindsight, you're like man.
God kind of had his hand on methis whole time and I think
that's kind of what's happeningwith him now.
I think if he'd have stayed onthe path he was on, if he'd have
stayed on the path he was on,he'd have been beyond god's
mercy and I think this wholeincident is god's mercy.
Absolutely, I absolutely agreeyeah, this is you guys.

(01:04:03):
Look, I I keep forgetting aboutthat aspect of it, right?
Yeah, this, I mean, I keepforgetting about that aspect
that.
Look there a for anybody thatdoesn't know there was a 14 or
15-year-old girl involved thathe was grooming Allegedly
Allegedly if those are true, ifthose texts are real I don't
know if they're real, I don'tknow if they've been confirmed,

(01:04:24):
but if they're real, it is verybad behavior.
I don't see how.
I don't know, I don't know whatthe Are we going to talk about
the woman?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
yes, now, okay, honestly, like guys, like I saw
what, I saw what some of thesewomen were saying, like some of
these women should unironicallybe in jail.
Like what, the one woman who islike a date, like a daycare
worker for special needs kids orsomething, talking about how
she's going to sneak away duringthe day and like send explicit
materials?
Yeah, like, honestly, like,yeah, it honestly, if I, if I
could figure out what her namewas, I would get her fired and I

(01:05:02):
wouldn't feel bad about it.
Honestly, I really hopesomebody does know what her name
is so she can get fired.
Like, you're irresponsible foryour I didn't, I didn't force
you.
Nobody forced you to do this,nobody forced you to do this.
You're irresponsible for your Ididn't, I didn't go force you,
nobody forced you to do this,nobody forced you to do this.
You're responsible for youractions outside of, obviously,
like the minor grooming case,yeah, sure, there's power
dynamics, but each one of thesewomen made a choice and just to

(01:05:22):
clarify for christian he meantokay, the grooming of a minor,
not like minor grooming yeah, Ididn't read all of the all of
the detailed text so I don'teven know what you're talking
about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
but absolutely, these women are look like like you
said.
Yeah, okay, there might be anaspect of a man being in a
position of whatever, but itdoesn't matter.
Like I, I'm I.
You all need to teach yourdaughters and we all need to
talk to all the women in ourlives Like, do not be that dumb
and naive.
You have full agency, your fullmoral agency.

(01:05:59):
You're not going to be able tojust pass the buck off and blame
onto a man because you fell forsome stupid narcissist Like you
have just as much culpabilityin it as he does.
And part of it is it really didseem a little bit revenge porn
to me Like they were like yeah,he's finally getting his
comeuppance.

(01:06:19):
And it wasn't because he trulyhurt them, it's because they
were jilted, because he moved onand ghosted them and went to
another one which, look, thatbehavior did need to come
forward.
But it is also awful that thesewomen participated in it and
are acting like victims.
They're not sole victims andthis whole thing oh yeah, of
course not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
I mean, I just some of the, some of the stuff I was
I was reading, I was, you know,scarred guard from it.
It was just disturbing, justdisgusting stuff that they were,
you know, facilitating,encouraging and participating in
, um, that's all there is reallynow the other question is this

(01:07:02):
um, who?

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
who knew about this and didn't say anything?
Is that I think those detailsare going to come out like I am
curious how I found out aboutthis over two weeks ago or
around two weeks ago and it tookuntil the stuff spilled out
like this before, like aCatholic Catholic answers
deleted his profile, Like I'mwondering if anybody else knew

(01:07:26):
about this, because I thinkthese girls tried reaching out
previously to try and warnpeople about this stuff and it
just kind of seems like todayeverything hit the fan and
everybody I mean, well, the factthat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
So the person we knew working on it, majorian, you
know he's done um, he hasexperience in political
opposition research, right, sohe was doing all the vetting he
was, he was making sure it wasall real before releasing any of
it.
But clearly they, these, thesewomen, went to other people,
since some other random personjust happened spilling all that

(01:07:57):
same evidence out randomly, likemajority, like we were all
taken by surprise.
Majorian was going to releasesome of the stuff on wretched
saints later this week becausehe'd verified all that, but,
like the worst allegations aboutvoice of reason, like we've
said earlier, he was going togive to an investigative
reporter Cause that's somethat's some bad stuff there.

(01:08:20):
So clearly, multiple people weregiven this evidence just in an
attempt by these women to havesomeone get it out there.
So who did they all give it towhen?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
because it sounds like my join was in one of the
later groups.
To get it.
They went to others first, whatwas going on in the early 2000s
with the child sex abusescandal, and it's a lot of the
same mindset of you know,protect our own at all costs.
You know, this guy is part ofour team, so even when he's
doing this sort of behaviorbecause you know he's really

(01:09:04):
good for apologetics like weshould just pretend, like a lot
of this stuff never happened, weshould just, you know, try to
cover it up.
And like a lot of this stuffnever happened, we should just,
you know, try to cover it up.
But there definitely is a lot ofthat among the followers of
some of these individuals.
That's one of the ways they tryto cope is say, oh, you know,
this was just, it's not that bigof a deal.
Or you know, oh, have you eversinned in your lifetime, you

(01:09:26):
know, like these sorts ofresponses.
Or oh, this is detraction, thisis gossip, et cetera, et cetera
responses.
Or oh, this is detraction, thisis gossip, etc.
Etc.
Um, there's a lot of thesesorts of mindsets, but in a way
I don't really, in a way I don'treally care, kind of what just
a random person on the internetsays.
Who are the, the people youknow?
Obviously you know, franco isnot like that, iron inquisitor

(01:09:47):
is not like that.
Um, you know, I can't reallysay for much else, um, but like
who?
Who are the people who actuallydid know and who are, or who,
even if this wouldn't havebecome public like this, would
have done the same exact thingof just kind of shutting it down
, like who are these people?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
yeah, I think, um, I think this, this whole new like,
um, look, and we're in it.
It's a weird thing for me tocritique, but, like the social
media influencer thing, it's a.
It's a dangerous like space tobe in, yeah, especially if, like
, your sole dependency is onattention and you're just
constantly trying to drum upattention, like you know it's.

(01:10:30):
It's one one thing if you're anauthor and you have books
coming out and you have otherthings going on, uh-oh, you're
going to get groomed, taylor,hey.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
How's it going, dr Marshall Anthony?
No.
Dr Marshall, I heard thisreport that you were at fault
for a certain document from hisholiness is taylor's fault.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
We're dealing with tradition owners.
I are.
I saw taylor on the pbd podcasttalking about if your man's
ain't crying, it's dying, and Iwant to know which novus ordo
babies have infiltrated hisparish, because I'm secretly
convincing him to be a baseNovus Ordo type 2 but I do.

(01:11:17):
I'm telling you this all islike.
It is kind of interesting tosee that all the people that had
so much to say about TaylorMarshall causing all the
problems, something always comesup to bite them in the ass in
the long run.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
It's like Roy Burkers , but for Taylor Marshall.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Taylor Marshall cares , oh man, um, all right, so we
can, if we got a few, uh, othersuper chats cause.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
I don't know about traditional custodians, but it's
Dr Marshall's fault.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
It's not even that wrong.
That's not even that wrong.
That's not even that wrong.
Um, all right, yeah, if youguys got any other questions, we
could just keep riffing for afew more minutes, but, um, let
me say uh, was there anythingelse that I hadn't leave the?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
babies alone, anthony uh yeah, yeah, I'm telling you,
I'm having, I'm having, uh, 15novus ordo babies, and they will
the best of, uh, the best ofthe manualist traditions.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
They know how to defend every single thing the
pope ever says they're gonna beso good at doing the sign of
peace, it's gonna be crazy youknow, they're all autistics, all
right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Well, I, I, I had the , I had the crazy feat of like,
uh, like, a double header and adaughter who's autistic.
I mean, that's like powerfulgenetics, right there it's very
difficult to do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Let me tell you something.
Um, taylor, uh, from like earlyon in our show, has helped us.
Man has been supportive of us,came on every time I asked him
for an interview.
So you know I've told the storya few times like it was Taylor
challenging his audience to goto the Latin Mass four
consecutive Sundays in a row.

(01:13:06):
That literally changed my life.
Then him saying you know a lotof people goof on the oh, if you
don't pray the rosary, you'renot on the team.
But that got me to startpraying my daily rosary, things
like that.
So you know, I'll always,always see Taylor Marshall is
the Don of this whole podcastingthing, so you guys really do
have him to thank for me.
So, and yeah, he is due to comeback on.

(01:13:27):
We'll get Taylor on soon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, I actually used to cook on Dr Marshall a little
bit, but he's kind of grown onme.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I know he's grown on me because I think we softened
your heart to trads a bit and Ithink you started to see things
a little bit more balanced.
We got you, you know.
Now that Francis is goneespecially, it's like well, that
tension is gone.
It's like we don't have theFrancis tension anymore.
Everything's all good, all thebrothers could get along again,
as long as you're not goingafter our human system.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
As long as you're not Lofton and you just decide
there's nothing to fight about.
So you just start talking abouthow Baal worship is salvific.
What the hell is going on withMichael Lofton, Like are you
kidding me?
There's nothing else to fightabout with Pope Leo.
So he decides to kick thehornet's nest and say a satanic
sex call.
Worship is salvific.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Well, one of his friends was just caught in kind
of satanic sex calls.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Taylor, can I tell this story?
Alright?
So Taylor was scheduled to comeon with us.
Now I had spoken to Taylor, I'drun an idea by Rob, because
Ruslan, who was doing videosabout, like, uh, mel gibson
going on with joe, rogan.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
This was very close to the time voice of reason was
on with george janko yeah, itreally was right around that
time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
So like like ruslan was so confused by like what the
heck is going on in trad world,you know.
So I told rob like we shouldget taylor on to just like do a
breakdown of like all thedifferent trad groups.
And then I talked to taylor.
He's like, honestly, I'd reallyrather not like whatever.
I kind of just want to unitethe clans.
Let's do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
But so he agreed to come on, but I never.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
I never told rob that like we were going to do a
different topic.
So rob just puts out athumbnail and title about like
all the different things thatwe're going to do, and taylor
was like bro, I told you I don'twant to talk about that.
I was like no, no, we'll changeit, don't worry.
That's all.
Look at this.
Look at us uniting the clansover here.
Oh, have you, I'm very anotheranother video will be going out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Uh, end of the week again christian's like oh, I
gotta scratch the anti-taylormarshall video idea.
Yeah I.
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
The total refutation.
Tell my editor get rid of allthe audio from the total
refutation of Taylor Marshall.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
I'll tell you what I did.
What I did think about the, the, the, the life side thing, what
, like?
One of my initial thoughts thatI didn't actually get into on
the video I put out was itseemed like when they got rid of
John Henry Weston, the, the,the remaining group almost
seemed like they were trying tomilk the boomers for whatever

(01:16:03):
else they could without anythought.
They got like 10 years left.
So yeah, and I think that'skind of what was happening and I
think they were like very shortsighted and seeing like the the
future is trad man, like youngpeople love tradition.
And when that co-founder cameout and just started talking
about how John Henry wasbringing the organization to the

(01:16:23):
council of Trent, catechism andsound like man, whatever.
W.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah Right, I'm like the, I'm like the, the autistic
chastity guy.
So I'm like, well, you knowwhat the Catechism of Trent says
about abstaining before theEucharist?
That's what I slay all of theGunnar trads with.
It's like have you read theCatechism of Trent on
preparation of the body.

(01:16:48):
How long they say it'srecommended three days.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Wow, three days I can see a 24-hour fest.
I got to do a 72-hour festevery week.
I think I can do 24, but I'veseen Ant after 40 hours.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
It was not good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
There's actually a text from this as well in the
traditional service formatrimony that talks about the
same thing as the priest is toprivately exhort them to abstain
during Lent and three daysbefore receiving the Eucharist.
That kind of got messed up alittle bit when daily reception

(01:17:31):
of the Eucharist was encouragedvery widely, which is a little
bit of a different story.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Anthony just moved date night up to Wednesday.
Yeah, there's some Fridaynights I like to take my wife
out on the town.
Guys, I don't know if I can dothis 72 hours a day.
Dude, you go on dates with yourwife.
We don't just do dates, we doweekends together.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I go fishing with my cousin on the weekends.
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Everyone wants me to ask you what's with the fish in
the basement.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
The fish Dude.
Right there, that's my fish.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
in your basement?
No, I'm not in my basement.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I don't know what that means.
I don't know, either everyone'sjust asking about it uh yeah,
everybody keeps saying ask youabout your fish collection.
I saw that a few times um, Ilike, I like fishing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Uh, fishing is one of my favorite sports and I have a
fish tank behind me because Ihate cats, I hate dogs, I like
fish.
Fish are the best pets.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
My wife has 20 aquariums in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yo, really that's awesome 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I'll tell you guys this because you guys are
younger married than I am.
I'm married 20 years and I dohate the phrase like.
Your wife has to be your bestfriend, but you really do need
to like your wife.
You have to be your best friend, but like you really do need to
like your wife.
Like you have to like enjoyyour, enjoy your wife.
You can't, you can't, not enjoyyour wife.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
It's very important.
But it's like, it's like whatsaint augustine says.
You know, saint augustine, hesays, like, if you wanted to
have a guy, you hang out at thebar, you know, you get a dude.
If you wanted to, like, build ahouse, you get a dude.
Like, if you want to go fishing, you get a dude.
If you want to go hunting, youget a dude.
But if you want to, like, youknow, procreate, uh, produce
children, govern them.
You know procreation is a lotmore than just the production,

(01:19:16):
which is the governance.
You don't want to build a house, you got to have a.
You got to have a woman, youknow she's the heart of the
house.
So, but if you want to doanything else, that's like fun
or cool, like well, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
That's what this show is.
This show is the.
That's why we don't let womenon this show.
They ruin everything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
I've never had a woman on my channel.
It's been.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
I think we've had two or three.
We had Nancy Charles on, I hadCatherine from Catholic
Unscripted.
You've had your cousin on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
You've had your sister on.
We've had Angela on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
So five, but over the course of five years.
So, um, all right, guys, Ithink we're going to wrap this
one up.
Uh, pray for Alex, pray for allinvolved in this.
I I honestly, I do hope that inthe long run Alex repents and
has a true conversion of heart.
And you know these aren't easysins to deal with.
And uh, yeah, I don't know.

(01:20:09):
I think a lot of people,especially older people who grew
up in the nineties, and youknow we can relate to the
promiscuous lifestyle and havinga having a figure, all that
stuff out.
So I mean there is, there is away to come back from it.
It's just the public facingthing.
I don't know how that's goingto work out for them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
So anyone's asking well, not everyone.
A few people are asking where Igot the stuff about the
catechisms having stuff aboutnot chewing.
I pinned that in the live chat,so just click on that and
there's at least four I mean, wecan keep hanging.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
You guys got to give us topic ideas.
I can riff on anything.
Just throw me some comments outhere.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I have to.
I have to play some call ofduty tonight, so I gotta get.
Oh my, you still play videogames, dude, it's okay.
So I have meetings, I have todo with friends who are in
Catholic action stuff and wejust hang out and we play Call
of Duty.
Occasionally we talk aboutwhat's going on in our Catholic
action activity.
It's very news-dependent typework.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Do you guys think the feds don't listen to Call of
Duty lobbying or something?
Is that why you do it?
I dependent type work.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Do you guys think the feds don't listen to call the
duty lobby or something?
We'll never find out what we'resaying on the black ops 2 lobby
?

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
oh man, I never, got into video games all right here
we go.
Taylor's got a question for you.
All, right, uh, what do youthink of thomas aquinas versus
pa versus Paul VI on non-oliveoil and sacred oils?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
You know, intrinsically, intrinsically I
tend towards St Thomas'sposition making sense, but on
the basis of the authority ofthe church.
You know I will, I will notpush his opinion similar,
similar to like his position onholy orders, for example, like I

(01:21:58):
won't, I don't, I don't want togo against because even if,
like, in the form of conscience,I didn't exactly have, you know
, very strong intrinsic reasonsfor something I at least
wouldn't want to like in thepublic forum, you know, oppose
an authentic, like doctrinal orlegislative pronouncement of the
church.
But yeah, I haven't, I haven'treally studied that issue of

(01:22:21):
sacramentology, that much Iwould have to read thesis in
Duranzo.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
See what I mean.
You should have been their guy.
They were so dumb to not takeyou.
I don't understand what theywere thinking.
Voice of reason have been theirguy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
They were so dumb to not take you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
I don't understand what they were thinking voice a
reason, but he doesn't soundlike this, so I don't know what
they're you know, we, we know ofconfirmation now, that that
voice is kind of fake though,because we heard the cookie
tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Oh no, I'm not completely different voice okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
so somebody, if they're asking seriously, what
do I think of the byzantineright?
I don't know what you mean bywhat do I think of it?
I think that I mean they'reCatholic churches.
They're even considered RomanCatholic.
What I would say is I takeissue with someone like Alex for
escaping the Novus Ordo to goto a Byzantine church and then

(01:23:11):
criticizing trads for wanting toleave it.
Also, now we know why hemight've escaped.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
That's still.
That's still speculation.
But yeah, and I don't criticizeanybody who goes to a Byzantine
church to escape the Novus Ordo.
It's only those who do it andthen tell trads that want the
Latin mass that they need tosubmit to the Novus Ordo.
I think, yes, I think that'scalled.
That is.
That is the definition ofbislarping.
You are a Westerner and youbelong yeah, you, you belong at

(01:23:40):
a Latin liturgy.
Go, fight for the liturgy ofyour ancestors and stop, stop
giving ground to this nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
This is, I'm telling you, you, this is the thing that
we need to start talking a lotmore about the obligations that
one has to um, people, groupsand uh and herit in like the,
the president getting ready forlocals okay, so so listen, I
really can't stay on that muchlonger, but we should do a show,

(01:24:11):
the three of us with Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
That would actually be an awesome show.
I think that'd be really fun.
I'm sure Taylor would be downfor that.
Taylor, we'll do that.
We'll pick another night andmaybe the four of us will get on
, we'll talk, we'll let you twogo off on your homism thing and
I'll have some good fun show.
Really fun to see, under Leo,the clans getting united a

(01:24:34):
little bit where there mighthave been some tension.
We will you.
We will unite the clans, wewill unite.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Gen X.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Gen X, millennials and Gen Z will come together for
a show.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
All right, we got any closing thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
We're going to wrap this one up absolutely all right
we got any closing thoughts,we're gonna wrap this one up.
I I said everything that Ineeded to say.
I don't think I left anythingout on the on the court, so to
speak.
All right guys no e-girls everno, no, e-girls, no, no, no,
e-girls never okay stay awayfrom girls.

(01:25:13):
No hand-holding, no hugging, nokissing.
You know what you're doing.
You know the way it makes youfeel.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Don't lie to me.
Don't lie to me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Think about what I'm doing right now, when you try to
do this stuff and it remindsyou not to do it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
No texting outside of marriage.
That's the new rule.
I'm telling you no textinginside of marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
In the family room.
Okay, that's where you haveconversations.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
We need a new encyclical on that, on how young
people are to behave in moderndating culture.
So, all right, we're going toget going, guys.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
I'm sure this show is going toget around.
I'm sure I'm going to get somepassive-aggressive texts Not as
around as.
Never mind, I'm going to getsome passive-aggressive texts

(01:25:57):
from the upper echelon ofCatholic Inc telling me that I
went too far.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
I'm sure, If your girlfriend tries to hold your
hand, throw a flashbang at her.
She'll never do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Real life's, not Call of Duty.
Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
All right at her.
She'll never do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Real life's not called a duty christian.
All right, we gotta go.

(01:26:40):
We'll see you later, thank you.

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