December 10, 2025 • 44 mins
A cold open with tech chaos turned into one of our most honest conversations about how a fringe thesis became a full‑scale cultural confrontation. We chart the path from announcing The Case for Patriarchy in 2019, to fiery debates that shocked polite company, to a 90‑minute documentary that platforms loved visually but refused to touch because the ideas cut against the grain.
We dig into where the argument lands: authority in the home and church, why “mutual submission” scrambles roles, and how that confusion seeps into liturgy, music, and parish life. Ephesians 5 isn’t a relic; it’s a blueprint. We talk about the early Church disciplining male lust, why Christian marriage is uniquely monogamous and indissoluble, and why the modern crisis now centers on courage—men saying no when it matters, and women choosing holiness aligned with a husband’s headship or a consecrated vocation. The goal isn’t online chest‑thumping; it’s ordered love, clear duty, and beauty that elevates the soul.
We also take a hard look at the red‑pill economy. Yes, it names real wounds, but too often it slides into cynicism, limited hangouts, and content that monetizes vice. We offer a different path for Zoomers and millennials drowning in black‑pill threads: build strength, cultivate virtue, join real brotherhoods, and pursue a hopeful, realistic approach to marriage. Not every past mistake is disqualifying; lead well and many women will follow. At the parish level, fix the music, preach the hard texts, and stop outsourcing leadership to committees that smother clarity.
If you’ve felt the cultural shift around feminism and patriarchy but wanted substance, story, and stakes, this film is our best case—shot beautifully, paced to hold your attention, and blunt where it needs to be. Watch the premiere for $1.99 at 10 a.m. CST on candaceowens.com, then tell us what we got right, what we missed, and where you want us to take this next. If the conversation moves you, subscribe, share the episode, and leave a review so more people can find it.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
All right, Rob's having major technical
difficulties.
I don't even have an introvideo.
I don't have an intro song oranything.
Um, Rob is supposed to join us.
He cannot get his his his umcomputer to work, his mic to
work, nothing.
So yeah, we're just jumpingright into this one tonight.
Um, Tim, this has been a laborof love for you for many, many
(00:24):
years.
I've I've watched you and I havebeen talking behind the scenes
for months.
I got a chance to watch thedocumentary like six months ago.
But this started with youwriting the case for patriarchy.
Like this that's where the theidea of it birthed.
And I'm and I was just likethinking back on how much your
your show and your book has evenaffected my thinking on this
(00:49):
issue, watching your episodes ofSea Mask with you guys, and it's
it's been such a profound impacton the cultural conversation.
Like so many of the guys we seetoday, Andrew Wilson and the
whatever podcast, the guys thatgo on the whatever podcast,
Chase, um, like Sovereign Bra,like all of those guys read your
book and they bring what theylearned in that book to their
(01:10):
arguments for things like that.
Like, how's it hasn't feel kindof just finally seeing this
thing, your baby, finally getout put out into the open?
SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
Uh vindicating it, it's it's crazy because I
announced the writing of casefor patriarchy in 2019 on that
Mad Frad show in August, andthen I debated Trent in
September of 2019.
It was like boom, boom, andthere was references to the fact
that I'm starting to write thisbook, and they're like, What do
you mean, what do you mean?
(01:38):
I mean, that was where theculture was.
You'll remember.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
Wait a minute.
That I'm sorry to cut you off,man.
Like your debate with Trent onfeminism was before the book.
Yeah, you just started lookingthis stuff up.
Is that how that went?
SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
It's when I had a bunch of the resources
collected, you know.
And so yeah, that was that wasthat was one month after I
announced it on Frad in when hewas still in Georgia.
And back then people respondedto the fact that I was attacking
like all feminism with like whatnow everyone just everyone just
(02:12):
shits on it, everyone justimmediately responds to, you
know, okay, how much feminism amI allowed to infiltrate what I'm
doing?
And that that's a that's atremendous vindication.
But in the two years it took meto two and a half years to get
that book out, there's a lot ofdrama that we don't have to
revisit tonight, but a lot ofdrama that itself was a labor of
(02:35):
love in Sophia Institute Pressreally had a lot of Hutzpah to
eventually publish it.
And then after we did that, I,you know, over two years ago, I
conceived of the film.
I was like, this is perfect tostoryboard for a documentary,
and I pitched it at um theDisney World RV park to uh the
(02:56):
director, Nick Stumphauser.
And I was like, this would bethe greatest documentary ever.
And what he brought to the and Istoryboarded a storyboard, and
then he he kind of took it, andI I think it's I think it's uh
one of the most entertainingdocumentaries I've ever seen.
So we'll we'll see if peopleagree.
Um, but yeah, it's it's veryvindicating to have it out.
(03:18):
Thanks.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
Yeah, a lot a lot of people don't know the behind the
scenes stuff that you dealtwith.
Like, like this documentaryafter it was done, there were
many places that Tim tried toget it to go.
I mean, a lot of people lookedat it, and they were there were
just some people that you wouldhave thought would have jumped
on it were just too timid to doit because Tim does say some
very controversial stuff in it.
Women need to be thin forstarters was one that everybody
(03:41):
was kind of a little taken backby.
When did you guys start C Mask?
And Mike, how did you startcoming across this stuff?
SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
Dude, I was a C Mask fan, even when I was a
Protestant, you know, a coupleof years ago.
I was watching it in 2022, 23when it was uh Tim, uh Dr.
Michael Robelard, Will Noland,and then you know Elliot Hulse,
which Robellard and Elliot Hulseare now C Mask alumni.
And then before again, I becameCatholic.
I mean, CMAS was such a big partof me becoming Catholic too.
(04:09):
I was listening to Tim's stuffforever, you know, and again,
it's not to glaze my homie overhere.
Um, I love him to death, butthere's a Mount Ross of the
episode, it's the glaze.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
It is, it is.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
I mean, I have to say though, if there's a Mount
Rushmore of uh of like you know,patriarchy, you know, coming
back to the forefront, you know,Tim Tim's there.
And you know, this was a messagein my ear way, way back when.
And then I think uh Willconnected me with Tim, and then
there was a I was doing a lotmore work on the red pill on my
social media stuff, and so Timwas like, dude, come on, C Mask.
And then we hit it off and uhKindred Spirits, and like, dude,
(04:41):
be a permanent part of the panelas a Protestant.
And then it was three or fourmonths later I became you know
Catholic, I reverted back to thefaith.
Um, so that's how I ended upwith a C Mask crew.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
I mean, I I I like I became friends with Mike because
of C Mask.
Mike and I are hanging out thisweekend.
I'm going to Canada tonight ortomorrow.
Like, I leave my house at 2 a.m.
I'm flying to Canada, I'm goingto Banff National Park.
And Mike heard I was gonna be inCanada.
He's like, I'm driving down,we're coming down, we'll come
and hang out with you guys.
So I'm gonna actually see Mikein person this week.
And it all started because ofthis little project Tim started.
(05:12):
Yeah, and uh but it even justthe evolution of my oh, I don't
I don't know about evolution,but like the the progression of
my own thought on this issue,because I started thinking about
how mutual submission, howdisordered it is, and how
because Tim, when you startedtalking about John Paul II's
feminine genius and how that waskind of like the first fissures
(05:34):
of feminism into the church, andhow all of that actually led to
altar girls.
And now, what we're actuallyfacing in the church right now
is this issue of mutualsubmission with synodality,
where where the clergy islistening to the lady instead of
them being the head, like it'sjust this whole feminism crept
in and it led to synodality.
(05:55):
And if I I can't see the crisisas anything but that at this
point, I hadn't even thought ofthat.
SPEAKER_03 (06:00):
I I think you might have put that bug in my head
last week or something, but Ihadn't even thought about it
until you said it.
It's like the receptive partbeing more active than the um
expressive part, the passivepart being more active than the
active part.
What does that sound?
I mean, not to be gross.
Sorry, I know I know I know wekeep things g rated, but that
that's that's what that is whenthe when the clergy is listening
(06:23):
to the congregation.
It's the um, you know, we'llwe'll keep it g, but when you
you, you know, the the the malepart of the plug and the the the
plug in the wall it's to try toreverse that, uh it's
essentially sodomy, right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like it's because we weretalking we did a show talking
about Michael Matt last weekbecause Michael Matt was
defending Lila Rose because LilaRose is out there telling men
not to watch pornography.
And I'm like, I I kind of wentoff on him.
I'm like, no, Michael, like yourgeneration is the generation
that gave us this rot, and it'sbecause all of you were white
(06:57):
knighting and simping for thesegirls because you were all
afraid to say no.
That's really what it comes downto.
You saw that with the PiersMorgan interview with Tim with
uh Nick Puentes yesterday.
Yeah, it it's it's justpervasive through that entire
generation.
All of them were afraid to sayno to women when they were
supposed to, and they they turninto these white knights and
(07:18):
these simps.
And I it really is a uh like thecraziest thing that I we've
witnessed over the last coupleof years is how much the culture
has flipped on this issue, andall everybody talks about is
simps and all this crap.
It's it's crazy how much we'veseen happen in the past couple
of years.
SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
Yeah, I think that uh it's because of voices like
ours shouting this into theether.
You know, I don't mean I don'tmean to overinflate my sense of
importance here.
I'm I feel like uh I'm a nobodyin a room full of somebody, it's
not just in this podcast,Anthony.
You're nobody, but here withTim.
Um but uh I think that's I mean,social media has moved the mark
on this conversation in in amassive oh, Rob's with that is
(07:59):
to join us.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Yeah, I got it all working.
All right, let's go.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
Yeah, I mean, social media shaped this conversation
massively.
I remember Tim, your interviewwith Matt Frad back in 2019 was
one of the most hilarious thingsI've ever for you, you guys in
the chat that haven't checkedout that interview, please go
and do that immediately.
SPEAKER_03 (08:17):
It was so good.
That always tells the story of Igotten like two and a half hours
of sleep because we were atDisney World the day before, and
we had to well, the night beforewe drove in at like 3 a.m.
to Atlanta, and I wore somebutton-up shirt, and it just
kept more buttons throughout theinterview, just kept coming
undone.
So it looked like you know,Andrew Dice Clay.
(08:38):
By the end, I'm like, hey, youknow, uh, he can blindfold these
people with dentals or givingthem licenses.
SPEAKER_02 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, you were telling that story about that
fat woman telling off herhusband because she got the
wrong soda pop from the pop dispwith dispenser or whatever, and
you could just see him, youknow, Matt Matt's red pill on
the stuff now, praise be to God.
But at the time you could tell,like, it was just so
uncomfortable in that room.
SPEAKER_03 (09:06):
Oh, he was so fearful.
Yeah, but I'm like, I because Imean, I just well what's
something he said about me acouple months ago publicly is
you know, I talk how I talkone-on-one with my homies on my
podcast, or I guess on anybodyelse's podcast, too.
So he's like, Yeah, that'ssomething you know you say, but
I'm like, I just say what Ibelieve, you know, the same as
(09:28):
if we're we're hanging out.
And this this shit just happenedto me.
I mean, this happened to me 12hours ago.
We were leaving, we we stayed atDisney World as long as we could
and left at 6 p.m.
the night before and drove toAtlanta straight away.
And it was happening on in theparking lot.
Steph, Steph, I mean, you thinkI'm extreme.
You should hear Steph when shehears some woman talk bad
(09:50):
mouthing her husband.
She's like, That whatever.
She's like, You're you're you'renot nearly cute enough to be
this rude, and that's not reallyI don't know why that comment
really made matter.
SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
You will have these unattractive women being awful
to their like fit husbands, andthe guys just take it, and it's
just one of those things whenyou see a woman being like awful
to her husband, it's it'sthere's something that I get
like this visceral anger in mewhen I watch an emasculated man
being beaten down by his wife.
It's just such a gross thing towitness.
SPEAKER_03 (10:23):
Well, you got psyoped into the relationship in
the first place, because if it'sa fit or even half-fit guy with
uh a fat woman, then you knowthere's some psyop happening no
matter no matter how you sliceit.
And so, you know, whatever.
I mean, that's not the wholething.
But so it started out, and thatsounds kind of flippant, and
that sounds as if there's notintellectual heft behind the
(10:44):
whole movement, and and therewas, and that that really was if
we're doing in like etiology,that that was the beginning of
this entire um chapter of mylife.
And I'm like, man, I wish I'd Iwish I'd thrown some of the
amazing papal quotes, Pius 10,11, 12.
Uh you had four popes really ina row, four good popes in a row,
(11:06):
with Benedict 15 in there sayingsome stuff, but you had Leo 13,
Pius 10, 11, 12 saying womendon't deserve equal rights,
women don't deserve the vote,women don't have the same rights
as man.
She must always remain underman's control.
And then all of a sudden, poof,it just the the story that
scripture was written only forits time evaporates.
These are the greatest 20thcentury popes, and there's 20
(11:28):
centuries between Christ andPius uh, you know, the 10th or
11th, but there's there's youknow one century between them
and us.
That proves that it's a timelessprinciple, it's a done deal,
it's a it's it's fake.
You can't be Christian andfeminist.
SPEAKER_00 (11:42):
What's what's crazy is like the the early centuries
of the church, the churchactually had to work on men
because men were like like theidea because we we we have this
this idea that marriage predatesChristianity, but not really,
not the way we know it today.
The idea of monogamous marriagebetween one man and one woman is
(12:03):
very Christian, and that getsworked out in the first few
centuries of the church wherethe church starts putting this
calling on men, and they do itby reading Paul, where Paul's
like, You you know, slavemasters, you can't just go and
rape your slaves, like there's abodily sacrality to your slave
because of the resurrection.
Husbands, you have to actuallyremain faithful to one woman.
(12:25):
Because if you look atnon-Christian age, you look at
Islam, Islam looks at us andthey're like, One wife, are you
out of your mind?
What are you gonna have onewoman?
Because Christian marriage isvery unique.
So you have these firstcenturies of the church where
the church is working on gettingmen's lust under control, and
they do a really good job at it.
And it kind of subdues theearth, it gives men time to join
monasteries because now we havethese consecrated virgins and
(12:48):
things like that.
But then over time, what hashappened over the last four or
five centuries is we made thingsso good for women that they were
able to just get a little uppityand start and start getting a
little out of pocket.
So, really, the church shouldthe church should now spend the
next century focusing on gettingwomen in line because men men
(13:12):
are pretty good.
Like if you really think aboutit, like men for the most, I
mean, yeah, you're always gonnahave the philanderers and you're
always gonna have those guys,but for the most part, we all
understand as a society that aguy who cheats on his wife is a
POS, uh, a guy who you knowsteps out on his family, he's
you know, he's not a good guy.
But we've we're in a culture nowwhere women who do this, like
(13:33):
there's no amount of lives awoman will not destroy if it
gets in the way of herhappiness.
That's where we're at now.
SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
Yeah, no, I agree that I would never hang out with
um or want to spend time with aguy who is a POS if he steps out
on his wife.
But here's something that thechurch needs to start teaching
that binds all of these otherpropositions together.
In theory, um, a woman cannot bea good Christian woman without
(13:59):
being a good wife, because womenwere made for men, right?
Men were made for God, though,right?
Well, man is the glory of God,woman's the glory of man.
So theoretically, I don't knowif I've ever seen it happen, but
theoretically, a man can be agood man and not a very good
husband.
Now, I don't I don't see it playout that much.
All the good men I know areeither priests or good husbands.
(14:22):
But theoretically, the telos oflife, the the you know, the
mission is the husbands, and thewife is literally just his
supporting character.
The main character energy is theman.
So we have to start saying that.
That a wife literally, uh youknow, if she's not um uh living
a consecrated life, she like ifyou basically obeying her
(14:42):
husband is how she gets toheaven and and she and and
helping him with all hisprojects, and she has really no
projects of her own.
And for the for the most oh, I'msorry, Tim, I don't mean to cut
you off.
I'll just say we'll know thatfeminism has truly died, it
seems to have died, you know, ayear or two ago, but no, it will
truly be cognizable as dead inthe water when we can say it
(15:04):
that way, and everyone's like,Well, of course, of course.
Again, a woman was made for man,not man for woman.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
And you actually do see that play out in marriages,
regardless, like a man willeither lead his wife to heaven
or lead his wife to hell.
Because essentially, this comesdown to what all the all the
arguing comes down to, and whatreally upsets me when I see
Catholic influencers andespecially the Catholic Inc guys
defending some of the stuff thatthey defend is what they're
(15:31):
telling women is you don't haveto be holy, because it it is it
is an intricate part of awoman's holiness to be
submissive to her husband, and awoman will not go to heaven
unless she's unless she submitsto her husband.
We're talking about it's nodifferent from the Protestant
who refuses to submit to thechurch of Rome.
(15:52):
If you do not submit to yourhusband, you are on the road to
hell, and it's as simple asthat.
So, all of these guys whosupport someone like Lila,
because Mike, you said this onTim's show today when you were
talking about the red pill, andyou said, you know, because Tim
mentioned like the red pill getsthe right diagnosis, and you're
like, Yes, they do, but I'm at apoint now where there's so much
like off in it that I'd rathernot even touch it, you know,
(16:15):
like I'd rather not touch it atthis point because you know, a
little bit of rottenness willspoil the whole bunch,
essentially, right?
So if you're looking at thesethese so-called Catholic women
in the pro-life movement oranything, there's a little bit
of poison in what they'resaying, and they're teaching
girls to be girl bosses, so itpoisons the whole well at this
(16:36):
point, which is why this stuffactually needs to be addressed.
It is the it's it's this is whatthe Catholic Longhouse is is men
who kind of want to get onLila's podcast so they or they
want to have a good relationshippublicly with her, so they won't
call out the insanity that thatshe spews.
SPEAKER_02 (16:51):
Yeah, it's just hand holding, it's just a social
media hand holding.
They don't want to have thedifficult conversations.
It's it's but guys are lookingat seeing through it, especially
the Zoomers.
Zoomers are so done with thatgarbage.
And the few the future of socialmedia with these guys coming on
the scene, these women are gonnaget altogether ignored.
They're getting tired of gettingfinger waged, they're getting
tired of being longhoused,they're getting tired of you
(17:12):
know, them pretending that allof the world's problems uh are
on men's shoulders.
And hey, I'm the first one tosay, and I'm sure you guys would
all agree that men carry likethe lion's share of the
responsibility, but allowing usto perpetuate this, this, this
fallen solipsism that women havethat are innate to their their
their nature and they're they'rewanting to usurp authority, is
not doing them any good.
(17:33):
And so this like gentle way ofdelivering, there's a way you
there's a way to deliver themessage, but um being overly
gentle and tickling ears is notthe way that you correct course.
I think there's almost got to bea bit of a of an overcorrection.
Uh uh, and I think these women,99% of them, and unless they're
consecrated women or women likeMother Angelica or Mother
Natalia, they should just be offsocial media altogether.
(17:54):
I think they add, I don't thinkthey do enough good to uh outdo
a lot of the bad that they'redoing.
That it's just unjustifiable tome, and I'm tired of seeing it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:05):
Um, yeah, Tim, I d I wanted to get you on especially
because um I just know the sh Ijust know what this thing has
been for you.
Like the past the past six, youI think you sent it to me about
six months ago when it wasfinally completed and you sent
it to me.
And I was and this was likeright after you got all the
rippricker footage put together.
(18:25):
I was just blown away by it.
Like if you guys, if you guysobviously tomorrow the it comes
out tomorrow at 10 a.m.
on Candace's network.
I promise you, if you go andspend the money on it, you will
not be disappointed.
It is it's an hour and a half ofjust like you don't want to take
your eyes off the screen.
It's a phenomenally donedocumentary.
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Yeah, thanks.
And it's only a buck 99.
You know, when I was talking toum Candace's CEO and husband
George, they were they wereplaying with$3.99, and I'm like,
look, you know, I have a vestedinterest, but let let's let's
make it where people can'tcomplain.
Let's make it the best price fora 90-minute movie ever for a
(19:06):
dollar ninety nine for a new90-minute movie, and um, you
know, it's under two bucks.
So you know, it debuts tomorrow10 a.m.
CST on Canada.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh I think no, no, because thatsomehow Nashville is is CST,
which is counterintuitive.
It's so far east of other peoplein the CST.
(19:29):
Yeah, it's it's 10 CST, Ibelieve.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
Let me double.
You uh you you have to do likeum you gotta go on a promo tour
for this thing, then you I hopeyou called in favors with
everybody because I want to makesure this thing gets out there.
SPEAKER_03 (19:42):
I have, and like I mean, I you know, Tucker's seen
parts of it because he wasseriously considering it.
He he switched basicallyproducers um halfway through the
film's production, and that kindof changed its outcome.
We showed it at Daily Wire, weshowed it on a million dollar
screen at Daily Wire.
Daily Wire and the the movieguys there in their um what's
(20:04):
their movie um house called?
Their their Pendragon, they werelike, this is like one of the
most beautiful films we've everseen, just to look at.
SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:12):
And they were we were watching it with Michael
Moles in studio, um, and thentwo of their execs in the movie
thing, and they're like, How didyou do this for under millions?
Daily Wire has such a bigbudget.
They're like, Wow, you did thisfor like a quarter of a million
dollars.
That's that's incredible.
This looks like a multi-milliondollar film, which it it really
does to look at.
And part, you know, a big sourceof my pride is just the the um
(20:36):
the the the crappy QCing, thelow QCing of output in the
Catholic world and the Christianworld in general.
The the films and and fine artsin general are just, I'm not
talking about the medieval ages.
It ain't the medieval agesanymore.
Where art our quality control isnear the floor.
So just to put togethersomething that's beautiful and
(20:57):
like dope and entertainingthat's gonna capture all the the
you know, I I have a lot ofgroupers in my audience that's
gonna capture all the young menand and already has for the ones
that have seen it.
We've test screened with a lot,just like this is this is really
cool, and you know, you're notgonna want to take your eyes off
of it.
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
So, um yeah, because I'm thinking back to even the um
the drama of the Cabrini movie,right?
Like everybody wanted toeverybody wanted to pretend that
was such a good movie, and youwere the first one that came
out.
You were like, This movie istrash, it sucks, it's a girl
boss the whole way through.
Do not and I remember watchingthat movie, and I was just
(21:37):
disgusted watching it, andeverybody around us was like,
No, no, no, this movie's great,promoting.
I'm like, I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_03 (21:43):
It's like you and Wardo called me, and he was
literally like, he's agentleman.
He's like, So, what why don'tyou like it?
We want we want to impress you,we like your work, and I was
like, It's feminism all the waythrough, it's shot through with
feminism for 20 minutes, and hewas like, Well, and then we
showed him what we had then, andhe was like, Wow, this is
impressive.
He was like, I just I thinkthese older guys, Gen X and
(22:04):
Boomers, just don't know, theydon't understand what Nick
Fuentes was telling PiersMorgan, like, we're done with
it, man.
Like racism, sexism,anti-Semitism, it's all funny,
like no one cares.
Like, okay, well, then we'regonna hit you with the nuclear
option.
People died, don't care.
You know, men subjugated women.
That's not even true.
But even if people died in thepast, you know, if it's in
(22:27):
another century from mine, it'sfunny.
And we're just we're goingforward with what it takes to uh
this was a trajectory, not a nota Roman salute.
Um, so we're going forward witha a a different program, a um
Western civilization uhreclamation project.
And far more important than evenreversing the the finger
(22:47):
wagging, the pearl clutching,and the beard stroking over
racism and anti-Semitism is thesexism thing.
Because, like Father Rippigersaid on a show today, it's night
over 99% of the homes everywhereare just run by these awful
women, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
Even even the trads, especially the trad.
That was why I did the show onMichael Matt, because Michael
Matt's supposed to be thisleader of the traditional
movement.
And I'm like, he is so off onthis.
And he was playing clips on hisshow of he's like, Well, should
this woman shut up too?
And it's this woman out theretelling men, men, you're created
for more, and you should be mad.
It's like, no, she shouldn't besaying this.
SPEAKER_03 (23:26):
Yeah, yeah, of course she should shut up.
SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
She shouldn't be saying this, she shouldn't be
calling men to do this.
And then he played a clip from anun speaking at his conference.
I'm like, Well, Michael, like,think of it.
What how weird would it be ifthat nun got up and started
talking to men aboutpornography?
Because that's what the issuecame down to with Lila with with
Lila.
It's just it's it's immodest andit's just out of place.
Like, these women should not bedoing this.
(23:48):
It's just, and I and I the theone thing I'm um I do worry a
little bit about, and a lot ofit is because of X and just
seeing how we all handle, likeeverybody handles themselves on
X is the irony poisoning andkids getting so blackpilled on
it that they think they cannever find a wife.
And there are still good womenout there, and it is still good
(24:10):
to get married, and it's likethe because that is the
proposition of the red pill.
And I think if we don't makesure we let men know, like you
still do find your your purposein life as a husband and a
father, and there are stillmarriageable women out there
that are are women that are thatwant to be led.
SPEAKER_02 (24:33):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's not enough dudes kind of
stepping to the forefront andthen kind of telling these guys
to still have hope, though.
I mean, if you look on X and yougo down these rabbit holes, it's
mainly a rabbit hole of of ofdoomer doomerism, mainly.
And there, if there's one thing,and again back to the earlier
point that I absolutely agreewith Nick Fuentes on, is that uh
(24:53):
the untouchable topic is not JQ,it's not race, it's not
anything, it's women.
This is why nobody wants totouch this topic with a 10-foot
pole.
Even a lot of the people thatare quote unquote based, they do
not want to uh shake thehornet's nest, if you will.
And this is why I think it wasso difficult uh to get this
taken on by anybody.
And I think it's gonna make,regardless if there's massive
(25:14):
promo or not, I think it's gonnahit the right people.
And I think especially Gen Z aregonna look at this and actually
come out of it not black pilled,but actually uh hopeful.
You know, there's not enoughguys telling these young dudes
that hey, you know, you'rekeeping it in your pants, you're
staying chase.
A lot of these zoomersunderstand that they're
returning to the faith indroves, they're returning to
tradition in droves, but there'sso much black pill and nihilism
(25:36):
going on on S.
Like it's hard for them to siftthrough it, right?
They've got all the piss andvinegar, and the next thing you
know, they're they're voluntarycelibate because they think
they're all OnlyFans models, oryeah, there's just no hope.
It's like, dude, that's soantithetical to the gospel, too.
SPEAKER_03 (25:49):
Yeah, the well, the only thing I'll do you one
better.
The only, and this is a totalwhite pill.
Most women out there, by thetime they're graduating high
school, I saw high school foreight years total.
And I know it's it's bleak insome sense.
There are some girls that havebeen really slutty by the end of
their senior year of highschool, but it's really college
(26:11):
where everything gets wrecked.
The real the the point of noreturn is, you know, when a
girl's body count goes really,really high, or you know, I
guess the scale gets tippedreally, really high.
Anything other than that, evenif she's a feminist when you
meet her, even if she's aleftist when you meet her, even
if there's you know, whatever, amistake or two in the past that
(26:33):
that's not um super Catholic,even if she's not Catholic, if
she's Protestant, if she's supersecular, a Chad will just be
like, no sweat.
I I like the way she looks, Ilike her sort of core
personality.
I'll just make her be Catholic.
And and and that's not and seewhen the guys that have no game
hear that, a generation raisedon the internet.
(26:56):
This is the one problem with theZoomers.
Me and Anthony were talkingabout this the other day.
They have no game, they have noconfidence in IRL.
When you when a Chad hears that,he's like, No problem.
I like how this girl looks, Ilike how she acts aside from the
leftism, and you need to beCatholic.
It's like, give me two weeks,you know.
Women are natural followers, menare natural leaders.
(27:16):
Let nature take its course.
The four of us marriedProtestant girls, they're all
Catholic now.
SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
Exactly.
The four of us, nothing,Stephanie's just in true none,
but that's the point.
Whether she's a name or she'sproud of it, like the four of us
marry.
So because you caught a lot ofcrap for this, and I said I say
the same thing.
It's like, I don't care.
If like if my son meets aProtestant girl, I'm like,
what's fun?
Like, she's gonna do what yousay, yeah.
She's going to do what you say,so it really isn't that big.
(27:42):
I I don't feel the same wayabout girls meeting Protestant
guys because no, no, it's adefinitely not it's a very big
different story.
But like, if if a guy like likeTim said, and and look, and also
you guys, I know you guys areall watching, like all these
young guys are watching like thered pill content, and they're
saying like uh you guys have tobe realistic about this, and
(28:02):
there is a lot of rot out there.
So if you meet a girl with oneor two mistakes in her past, you
can't hold this perfect idealsometimes, and you have to you
have to you have to have alittle bit of mercy in that.
I'm not saying na la ray, youknow what I mean?
Like, that's at the point whereit's like, okay, that's the
point of no return.
But a person who made a mistakeor two in their past, like you
(28:24):
cannot hold anybody to thatlevel of perfection at at this
point, just because of howrotten the culture is, in my
opinion.
SPEAKER_02 (28:30):
I've been saying that for a long time.
It's like, hey, if we want tolive in a better or have leave a
better society for our children,you're gonna have to make these
concessions.
And a lot of guys came at me sohard because a lot of these
dudes are, you know, they'revirgins, good for you.
That's a good thing.
That's that's absolutelyvirtuous.
You're gonna meet women andthey're not gonna fit that bill
to a T.
You've got to have some grace.
Only you know what that sort ofthreshold is for you in terms of
(28:53):
how much you're able to dealwith.
You know, don't go marry anOnlyFans model or a stripper or
something crazy like that.
Um, but yeah, you get you getthese red pill dudes that act
like FAGs, and then on the otherside, you get these Thomas dudes
that are looking for Thomaswomen.
You're like, what is what'swrong with you, bro?
What is actually wrong with you?
Go find any kind of woman who'sattractive, who's like not, you
(29:15):
know, a purple-haired feministwho's not vehemently opposed to
Christ, and you will converther.
It's not that the the exactlythe Chads with some Riz don't
care about this stuff becauseit's like, hey, hey, come here,
come here, just you're gonnacome next in with me.
SPEAKER_03 (29:30):
You know, it's like someone that goes into a comedy
and they're looking for dramaenergy.
It's like exactly even if she'sa purple held haired feminist,
it does she have good facialstructure, is she thin and is
she kind of cool at her core?
You can work with that.
You tie that shit out of yourhair, man, and uh you wear this.
And and other than that, she shewants to follow you if you're
(29:50):
cool.
The problem is the guys don'tknow how to be cool.
So, this I don't like to do thewhat about the men though, the
Andrew Wilson thing, and justalways blame men, but it does
come down to these guys justbeing dorks, yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (30:02):
Yeah, dude, like there are and look, there are
tons of women out there whostuck with men who don't know
how to lead.
Like, we do have to work on menand teach them how to be men
because they've grown up in thisemasculated, they they maybe
didn't have good father figuresbecause we really are dealing
with a crisis of fatherhoodright now, yeah.
And so many young guys havenever had mentors or had a
(30:24):
father figure in their life whowas.
I mean, they the recipe for akid becoming gay is an
overbearing mother and anabsentee, or like the the the
father who's afraid or or justemasculated completely, like
that's a recipe to turn a kidhomosexual, it just is so a lot
of these kids may not have youknow they may be straight, but
they did grow up in thatsituation and they need help,
(30:47):
you know.
And and if if if we're notwilling to at least lend a
little grace to those guys andhelp them because these kids
need help, man.
SPEAKER_02 (30:55):
I'm telling you, well, that's what CMA is all
about, right?
Mike, yeah, that that's exactlyyeah.
I mean, we were calling themout, but I think in a way that
calls them forward and doesn'tjust you know in you know
inflame their insecuritiesfurther, because there's a way
to do it.
If you're you know shining toomuch heat on a man, he's just
gonna cower, he's gonna youknow, fold like a cheap suit,
especially nowadays where guys Imean, dude, uh I I grew up in
(31:16):
the trades, so being aroundguys, you're just if if you if
you do not know how to keep upand you don't have a thick skin,
you are the bottom biatch of ofthe crew.
You just simply are, and a lotof these guys they can't hang,
they just can't.
So there's got to be a bit of,you know, okay, man, I'll I'll
help you walk forward, but I'mgonna I'm gonna push you over,
uh, but I'm gonna pick you backup at the same time.
That kind of actual masculinedirection.
(31:38):
Listen, I was one of thosedudes.
I was raised by my grandparentsand a single mother.
I had no idea of my masculineidentity.
What the hell was that?
I felt more comfortable aroundwomen, and I realized I need to
get around more dudes that Iwant to be like, you know, get
to the gym, lift some weights,you know, live, you know,
virtuously, uh, be around guysand emulate that, you know, um,
um, and grow in virtue, findmyself a good woman, and then
(31:59):
sort of figure it out.
A lot of these guys, I mean,they're not gonna do it um
sitting in their basements, notdoing anything about it, too.
SPEAKER_03 (32:05):
Mike, it's hard to imagine you.
I know I've seen the pics of youwhen you were heavy, but um,
you're like, dude, I need tostart lifting some weights.
And you, whatever day that was,you just started and you just
haven't stopped.
SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
You've been the mental piece.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
Mike's lifting weights right now.
Yeah, I'm doing leg extensionsright now, dude.
Actually, back in the day, II'll show you a picture.
I look like a fat lesbian.
SPEAKER_01 (32:28):
I've seen the picture, you were still strong
as you're very strong.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_03 (32:33):
Look like a fat lesbian secretly.
That's what I was going for.
You're trying to say howhandsome you always were.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
The thing is, um the the Daily Wire not picking up
was strange to me because it waskind of an answer.
Like the reason you named itthis is an answer to Matt
Walsh's question, right?
What what what is a woman?
What a woman is.
This is what a woman is.
So it would have been a good fitthere.
Um, I'm kind of glad it didn'tgo there.
Yeah, I I hope I hope it'ssuccessful over at um over
(33:03):
Candace's network.
I'd like to see her promote it alittle bit, and uh, and I'd like
to get to the bottom of whyGeorge Farmer refuses to
acknowledge me.
Like I gotta probably stopbecause I'm the I'm the only
probably the ducking.
I'm just saying, I'm the onlyCatholic podcaster that George
Farmer doesn't like best friendswith.
I don't know what's going onwith that.
SPEAKER_03 (33:23):
What uh are you have you uh invited him on the show?
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
No, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (33:27):
I uh why is he ignoring me?
Well, maybe because how does oneget in touch with George Farmer?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (33:38):
Yeah, some you did yeah, I'd imagine he watches
your show.
I think he's mentioned your showbefore to me, so he he watches a
lot of Catholic content.
SPEAKER_00 (33:46):
That's what I hear.
I hear the guy does watch a lot.
So all right, George, there's alittle there's a little message
to you.
I better get a phone call soon.
Um, all right, that up, but Idon't think I did just try to
make well.
I've been making you feel goodthe whole episode.
It's nice that you can make mefeel good for a second.
Yeah, that's what what are yournext stops on promo tours?
You got anybody else's showyou're going on?
SPEAKER_03 (34:05):
I'm going on Elijah Schaefer and Sarah Stalk's shows
tomorrow, I guess, right as thething's coming out.
And um yeah, I don't I don'tknow.
I'm I'm I'm buddies with MichaelKnowles.
I don't know what what theofficial stance is on allowing
uh kind of promotions therebecause we we did offer it to
them and uh they were allimpressed with it, but it's just
(34:27):
they're like this is a littlebit you offered.
Oh yeah, we offered it toeveryone.
I mean we really we offered itto Tucker, very interested.
Michael Knowles, the Blaze wasvery interested for a while.
Um Candace Candace at the end ofthe day is just the one that
that has the Hutzpah to do it.
So 10 CST tomorrow, a dollarninety nine on candaceowens.com.
(34:49):
You can go uh look at thisthing, and I'm we're just we're
we're really excited.
SPEAKER_00 (34:54):
So yeah, I'm I can't a dollar ninety nine.
That's that's honestly.
I mean, I'm gonna I alreadywatched it and I'm gonna pay for
it.
So I would like to see everybodythat watches the show.
Uh I mean, you guys can affordtwo bucks, but let's give this
thing a good big push early on.
Um, I'm I have to wake up at 2a.m.
So I told Tim we were gonna keepthis thing like 35 minutes, 40
(35:14):
minutes.
Tim's got a bunch of stuff he'sgonna be doing soon.
I want to see everybody in ouraudience go spend a few bucks
and get this thing popping off.
Mike, I'm looking forward toseeing you uh Friday, brother,
brother.
SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
Me too, bro.
Pray that we get there okay.
It's a five-hour drive withlittle kids, but we're we're
stoked.
My wife is stoked, it's gonna begood.
SPEAKER_01 (35:29):
Yeah, I can't wait for wise happening.
SPEAKER_03 (35:31):
I have real big FOMO happening.
I I guess that um feminism isreally just about the friends we
made along the way.
SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
Not for nothing.
These bronze prouder, I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
It's true though, it absolutely did.
Otherwise, we wouldn't all betalking, would we?
No, not at all.
We gotta get Tim.
We gotta get I'm gonna say ithere live.
We got to get CMask going again.
SPEAKER_03 (35:54):
Uh no, 100%, 100%.
It's coming back, boys.
It's it needs to come back,which never ended.
It was just Nick left, then wewere all, and then Will's Will
has the craziest schedule ever.
He's like tutoring Chinesechildren, and like his his date
book is just more filled thananything.
That guy's a workhorse, so hesleeps like two hours a night.
SPEAKER_02 (36:15):
I'm convinced that guy's not human.
He's like, No, he's not human,he's half cyborg terminator.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:22):
Yeah, because I I would love to join you guys for
an episode and pitch my wholetheory about how the entire
crisis we are facing in thechurch is actually because of
this mutual submission issuewhere every parish has the
women.
This the Susan from the parishcouncil comes down to the priest
of that, the pastor of thatcouncil being afraid to tell
that woman no.
(36:42):
And that's how we get all thedisorder we get in every single
Novus Ordo parish.
It's all because of the menafraid to tell women no.
We're gonna have incense here,we're gonna have an altar rail
here, and I don't want to hearanything.
We're not gonna play that crappysong anymore.
We're gonna play something alittle holier.
And like you could actually fixthe liturgy in some of the worst
places in the country if youjust got some men willing to
(37:03):
tell these women no.
SPEAKER_03 (37:04):
So yeah, we call it the uh what do we call it?
The uh the parish warblers.
Uh we feel like the the crappysingers in the Novas Ordo
parish, and we go here and wedon't go to the TLM in New
Orleans.
We feel like it's like you know,five women stronger each time.
It's like 20 last week, 25 thisweek, and they're just doing the
(37:25):
warbling thing, you know, likethey do all of them, all of them
do that.
They all do the warbler.
It's it's uh it's disgusting,it's terrible music, they have a
terrible voice.
I want to do the Larry Davidthing where you just go and
you're like, All right, wrap itup.
Good job, great work.
Now go go back to your seats.
Like, just stop, just go back toyour seats.
(37:47):
We need the music, it's theworst part of the novice order.
I hope we can all agree on that.
SPEAKER_02 (37:51):
There's not to mention when Ephesians, when
Ephesians 5 comes up, it'salways just oh my gosh, dude,
you're sitting here like, whatam I listening to?
SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Right, if they even if they even talk about it at
all.
Oh I know a quick a quickanecdote about that.
When my cousin Eddie gotmarried, like you have to choose
your scripture readings for thewedding.
And my cousin chose Ephesians 5.
And the priest was like, Really?
You want me to read the wholething?
Like he was shocked, and he andhe said it to his wife, to his
(38:20):
fiance at the time.
He's like, You're okay with mereading this, and she's like, I
want you to read it.
What are you talking about?
Like the whole thing was was thelike that's the purpose of
marriage.
What else would you read at awedding?
I don't understand.
SPEAKER_03 (38:32):
See, I I wanted to make this point earlier.
I think conceptually, I thinkthis might explode your brain.
When you were struggling toarticulate that that because
it's because it is a weirdlyexpansive concept that there
wasn't marriage beforeChristianity, before Christ
elevated um the Jewish covenantto the dignity of a sacrament.
The reason it wasn't it doesn'tcount as true holy matrimony,
(38:55):
drum roll, is because um theJews, obviously, the Muslims had
polygamy, the the Jews hadpolygamy for half the history up
to Christ.
And then even then, even once ithad to be monogamy, what did
they have?
They had legal divorce.
If you enter marriage with legaldivorce, that is not match holy
matrimony.
Yeah, that's not real marriage.
(39:15):
So real marriage is uniquelyChristian, very uniquely
Christian.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
It's uh it's yeah, because I I I always get an I
always get a little frustratedwhen I hear people say, No,
marriage predates religion, andit's like not really, you know.
You go back, you go back, youread the old testament, you go
back and read through Genesis,they all got 90 wives, and then
you get even when you get tofirst kings, and it's like
David's got you know 150concubines, and uh Solomon had
(39:43):
400 wives and 700 concubines,like that's not marriage, and it
took Christ's coming to elevateit to a sacrament to give us
marriage.
SPEAKER_03 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's which also why why Judaism and
Islam are both so carnal, it'salso why the red pill is so
messed up, it's just for Jewsand Muslims, it's run by Jews
and Muslims.
Red pill.
It's a it's a hangout, it's apsyop.
SPEAKER_00 (40:02):
Um, it's oh, it's definitely a psyop.
I mean, have I mean you you lookat even Myron, Myron's like a
legitimate fed, he's like aliteral fed.
SPEAKER_03 (40:11):
All of them are the father's CIA or uh the um
Myron's father was in like DHSor something.
Um even even Pearl, who's youknow always been friendly to us,
even her her mom's in some someUN thing, they're they're all um
they're all spooks, they'rethey're all um they glow in the
(40:32):
dark.
And I don't know if they do, butthey're from these families, and
that's why they have theopportunities, and it's
definitely limited hangout.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's why your channel never blew up, even
though you were talking aboutthe same concepts, because
you're actually talking aboutreal Christian patriarchy where
they're just talking aboutdebauchery.
SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
Yeah, they just yeah, like here's here's how to
like you know, bang Dallas, bangwhatever.
And that guy, the um Return ofKings guy, is the one red pill
guy that actually repented andand went away, Rouche V.
And and uh, you know, props tothat guy.
He actually went away, he won'teven do interviews now, he's
just like making pizzas in hismom's like basement, and and he
(41:10):
just went away.
He's like, I have to repent, andhe's orthodox.
SPEAKER_00 (41:13):
That's what every one of these women should do
that come from like that'sreally like the uh only when you
live a life that publiclyshameful, like you really do
need to go into hiding and livean aesthetic life, like you
really do.
SPEAKER_03 (41:28):
That's the only way the mass murderer, the mass
genocidist, known as AbbyJohnson, killed 22,000 human
children and a couple of herown.
And instead of going away, andliterally, you know, they want
you know, Nick Fuentes is he whoshall not be named, like Lord
(41:50):
Voldemort.
He's a good guy, he's a goodguy.
He's never he's it's literallyuh a virgin, as he was saying on
Piers, cares about everybody,you know, says he wishes the
best for everyone, praise foreveryone, praise for his
enemies.
I know this for a fact frombehind the scenes.
Never killed not even one, noteven two or three humans.
On the other hand, just assesshow much you are all brainwashed
(42:12):
and psyoped.
Abby Johnson is foisted in yourface, and um, she's killed
22,000 human beings, and andshe's not living a life of quiet
penance, she's foisted in yourface and she's profiting off.
It's it's disgusting.
The pro-life movement has alwaysbeen vile because it's led by
feminists and they're allthey're all witches.
SPEAKER_00 (42:33):
So yeah, yeah, it's actually like um like it's and
not just that it's not just thatshe's a pro-life leader, like
she killed 22,000 children.
Now she makes money off of likelike she's she's profiting off
of that.
Like it's it's kind of crazy,like she's profiting financially
now, not just from when she wasperforming it, but now she goes
(42:56):
and pitches that story.
It's almost like bragging aboutyour past sense.
I don't know, it's it's reallydisordered.
SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
And they'll never talk about getting rid of
abortion altogether either,because that would cut their
their business off.
You know, it's it's stopping 10short of the mark, which if
you're not going to go all theway, you're not going even,
you're not making any you knowmeaningful step toward solution,
you're just patting your pocketsright up until the very end.
It's total BS, total psy-op inand of itself.
Yeah, thinly veiled garbage.
SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
They usually fight against laws that would actually
ban it completely.
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Exactly.
The mental gymnastics that theythey they do to justify those
points.
They don't want to get rid ofthose cushy multi-six figure
salaries and fifty thousanddollars speaking engagements.
It's it's it's demonic at itscore.
SPEAKER_00 (43:39):
Yep.
Yeah.
Um, all right, Tim.
I uh well, first off, I'mgrateful just for how much
you've helped me on this issuebecause it really has shaped my
thinking on it.
So uh yeah, and even even you,Mike, like watching you guys on
C Mask all the time, like itreally did help me.
Because I I never it's not likelike I was always the head of my
home, but actually being able tolike think this stuff through
(44:01):
and recognize how much of aproblem this stuff is at the
root of our culture and whyeverything is so disordered.
You guys have played a very bigpart in that.
So, guys, go check out Tim'sdocumentary tomorrow, 11 a.m.
Eastern on Candice's network.
It's just CandasOwens.com.
Yes, thanks.
Candason's dot com.
Tim, thank you for everything,man.
Appreciate you.
Mike, I'll see you on Friday.
(44:22):
For sure.
God bless you guys.
All right, Rob's having major technical
difficulties.
I don't even have an introvideo.
I don't have an intro song oranything.
Um, Rob is supposed to join us.
He cannot get his his his umcomputer to work, his mic to
work, nothing.
So yeah, we're just jumpingright into this one tonight.
Um, Tim, this has been a laborof love for you for many, many
(00:24):
years.
I've I've watched you and I havebeen talking behind the scenes
for months.
I got a chance to watch thedocumentary like six months ago.
But this started with youwriting the case for patriarchy.
Like this that's where the theidea of it birthed.
And I'm and I was just likethinking back on how much your
your show and your book has evenaffected my thinking on this
(00:49):
issue, watching your episodes ofSea Mask with you guys, and it's
it's been such a profound impacton the cultural conversation.
Like so many of the guys we seetoday, Andrew Wilson and the
whatever podcast, the guys thatgo on the whatever podcast,
Chase, um, like Sovereign Bra,like all of those guys read your
book and they bring what theylearned in that book to their
(01:10):
arguments for things like that.
Like, how's it hasn't feel kindof just finally seeing this
thing, your baby, finally getout put out into the open?
SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
Uh vindicating it, it's it's crazy because I
announced the writing of casefor patriarchy in 2019 on that
Mad Frad show in August, andthen I debated Trent in
September of 2019.
It was like boom, boom, andthere was references to the fact
that I'm starting to write thisbook, and they're like, What do
you mean, what do you mean?
(01:38):
I mean, that was where theculture was.
You'll remember.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
Wait a minute.
That I'm sorry to cut you off,man.
Like your debate with Trent onfeminism was before the book.
Yeah, you just started lookingthis stuff up.
Is that how that went?
SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
It's when I had a bunch of the resources
collected, you know.
And so yeah, that was that wasthat was one month after I
announced it on Frad in when hewas still in Georgia.
And back then people respondedto the fact that I was attacking
like all feminism with like whatnow everyone just everyone just
(02:12):
shits on it, everyone justimmediately responds to, you
know, okay, how much feminism amI allowed to infiltrate what I'm
doing?
And that that's a that's atremendous vindication.
But in the two years it took meto two and a half years to get
that book out, there's a lot ofdrama that we don't have to
revisit tonight, but a lot ofdrama that itself was a labor of
(02:35):
love in Sophia Institute Pressreally had a lot of Hutzpah to
eventually publish it.
And then after we did that, I,you know, over two years ago, I
conceived of the film.
I was like, this is perfect tostoryboard for a documentary,
and I pitched it at um theDisney World RV park to uh the
(02:56):
director, Nick Stumphauser.
And I was like, this would bethe greatest documentary ever.
And what he brought to the and Istoryboarded a storyboard, and
then he he kind of took it, andI I think it's I think it's uh
one of the most entertainingdocumentaries I've ever seen.
So we'll we'll see if peopleagree.
Um, but yeah, it's it's veryvindicating to have it out.
(03:18):
Thanks.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
Yeah, a lot a lot of people don't know the behind the
scenes stuff that you dealtwith.
Like, like this documentaryafter it was done, there were
many places that Tim tried toget it to go.
I mean, a lot of people lookedat it, and they were there were
just some people that you wouldhave thought would have jumped
on it were just too timid to doit because Tim does say some
very controversial stuff in it.
Women need to be thin forstarters was one that everybody
(03:41):
was kind of a little taken backby.
When did you guys start C Mask?
And Mike, how did you startcoming across this stuff?
SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
Dude, I was a C Mask fan, even when I was a
Protestant, you know, a coupleof years ago.
I was watching it in 2022, 23when it was uh Tim, uh Dr.
Michael Robelard, Will Noland,and then you know Elliot Hulse,
which Robellard and Elliot Hulseare now C Mask alumni.
And then before again, I becameCatholic.
I mean, CMAS was such a big partof me becoming Catholic too.
(04:09):
I was listening to Tim's stuffforever, you know, and again,
it's not to glaze my homie overhere.
Um, I love him to death, butthere's a Mount Ross of the
episode, it's the glaze.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
It is, it is.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
I mean, I have to say though, if there's a Mount
Rushmore of uh of like you know,patriarchy, you know, coming
back to the forefront, you know,Tim Tim's there.
And you know, this was a messagein my ear way, way back when.
And then I think uh Willconnected me with Tim, and then
there was a I was doing a lotmore work on the red pill on my
social media stuff, and so Timwas like, dude, come on, C Mask.
And then we hit it off and uhKindred Spirits, and like, dude,
(04:41):
be a permanent part of the panelas a Protestant.
And then it was three or fourmonths later I became you know
Catholic, I reverted back to thefaith.
Um, so that's how I ended upwith a C Mask crew.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
I mean, I I I like I became friends with Mike because
of C Mask.
Mike and I are hanging out thisweekend.
I'm going to Canada tonight ortomorrow.
Like, I leave my house at 2 a.m.
I'm flying to Canada, I'm goingto Banff National Park.
And Mike heard I was gonna be inCanada.
He's like, I'm driving down,we're coming down, we'll come
and hang out with you guys.
So I'm gonna actually see Mikein person this week.
And it all started because ofthis little project Tim started.
(05:12):
Yeah, and uh but it even justthe evolution of my oh, I don't
I don't know about evolution,but like the the progression of
my own thought on this issue,because I started thinking about
how mutual submission, howdisordered it is, and how
because Tim, when you startedtalking about John Paul II's
feminine genius and how that waskind of like the first fissures
(05:34):
of feminism into the church, andhow all of that actually led to
altar girls.
And now, what we're actuallyfacing in the church right now
is this issue of mutualsubmission with synodality,
where where the clergy islistening to the lady instead of
them being the head, like it'sjust this whole feminism crept
in and it led to synodality.
(05:55):
And if I I can't see the crisisas anything but that at this
point, I hadn't even thought ofthat.
SPEAKER_03 (06:00):
I I think you might have put that bug in my head
last week or something, but Ihadn't even thought about it
until you said it.
It's like the receptive partbeing more active than the um
expressive part, the passivepart being more active than the
active part.
What does that sound?
I mean, not to be gross.
Sorry, I know I know I know wekeep things g rated, but that
that's that's what that is whenthe when the clergy is listening
(06:23):
to the congregation.
It's the um, you know, we'llwe'll keep it g, but when you
you, you know, the the the malepart of the plug and the the the
plug in the wall it's to try toreverse that, uh it's
essentially sodomy, right?
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like it's because we weretalking we did a show talking
about Michael Matt last weekbecause Michael Matt was
defending Lila Rose because LilaRose is out there telling men
not to watch pornography.
And I'm like, I I kind of wentoff on him.
I'm like, no, Michael, like yourgeneration is the generation
that gave us this rot, and it'sbecause all of you were white
(06:57):
knighting and simping for thesegirls because you were all
afraid to say no.
That's really what it comes downto.
You saw that with the PiersMorgan interview with Tim with
uh Nick Puentes yesterday.
Yeah, it it's it's justpervasive through that entire
generation.
All of them were afraid to sayno to women when they were
supposed to, and they they turninto these white knights and
(07:18):
these simps.
And I it really is a uh like thecraziest thing that I we've
witnessed over the last coupleof years is how much the culture
has flipped on this issue, andall everybody talks about is
simps and all this crap.
It's it's crazy how much we'veseen happen in the past couple
of years.
SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
Yeah, I think that uh it's because of voices like
ours shouting this into theether.
You know, I don't mean I don'tmean to overinflate my sense of
importance here.
I'm I feel like uh I'm a nobodyin a room full of somebody, it's
not just in this podcast,Anthony.
You're nobody, but here withTim.
Um but uh I think that's I mean,social media has moved the mark
on this conversation in in amassive oh, Rob's with that is
(07:59):
to join us.
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Yeah, I got it all working.
All right, let's go.
SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
Yeah, I mean, social media shaped this conversation
massively.
I remember Tim, your interviewwith Matt Frad back in 2019 was
one of the most hilarious thingsI've ever for you, you guys in
the chat that haven't checkedout that interview, please go
and do that immediately.
SPEAKER_03 (08:17):
It was so good.
That always tells the story of Igotten like two and a half hours
of sleep because we were atDisney World the day before, and
we had to well, the night beforewe drove in at like 3 a.m.
to Atlanta, and I wore somebutton-up shirt, and it just
kept more buttons throughout theinterview, just kept coming
undone.
So it looked like you know,Andrew Dice Clay.
(08:38):
By the end, I'm like, hey, youknow, uh, he can blindfold these
people with dentals or givingthem licenses.
SPEAKER_02 (08:49):
Yeah, yeah, you were telling that story about that
fat woman telling off herhusband because she got the
wrong soda pop from the pop dispwith dispenser or whatever, and
you could just see him, youknow, Matt Matt's red pill on
the stuff now, praise be to God.
But at the time you could tell,like, it was just so
uncomfortable in that room.
SPEAKER_03 (09:06):
Oh, he was so fearful.
Yeah, but I'm like, I because Imean, I just well what's
something he said about me acouple months ago publicly is
you know, I talk how I talkone-on-one with my homies on my
podcast, or I guess on anybodyelse's podcast, too.
So he's like, Yeah, that'ssomething you know you say, but
I'm like, I just say what Ibelieve, you know, the same as
(09:28):
if we're we're hanging out.
And this this shit just happenedto me.
I mean, this happened to me 12hours ago.
We were leaving, we we stayed atDisney World as long as we could
and left at 6 p.m.
the night before and drove toAtlanta straight away.
And it was happening on in theparking lot.
Steph, Steph, I mean, you thinkI'm extreme.
You should hear Steph when shehears some woman talk bad
(09:50):
mouthing her husband.
She's like, That whatever.
She's like, You're you're you'renot nearly cute enough to be
this rude, and that's not reallyI don't know why that comment
really made matter.
SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
You will have these unattractive women being awful
to their like fit husbands, andthe guys just take it, and it's
just one of those things whenyou see a woman being like awful
to her husband, it's it'sthere's something that I get
like this visceral anger in mewhen I watch an emasculated man
being beaten down by his wife.
It's just such a gross thing towitness.
SPEAKER_03 (10:23):
Well, you got psyoped into the relationship in
the first place, because if it'sa fit or even half-fit guy with
uh a fat woman, then you knowthere's some psyop happening no
matter no matter how you sliceit.
And so, you know, whatever.
I mean, that's not the wholething.
But so it started out, and thatsounds kind of flippant, and
that sounds as if there's notintellectual heft behind the
(10:44):
whole movement, and and therewas, and that that really was if
we're doing in like etiology,that that was the beginning of
this entire um chapter of mylife.
And I'm like, man, I wish I'd Iwish I'd thrown some of the
amazing papal quotes, Pius 10,11, 12.
Uh you had four popes really ina row, four good popes in a row,
(11:06):
with Benedict 15 in there sayingsome stuff, but you had Leo 13,
Pius 10, 11, 12 saying womendon't deserve equal rights,
women don't deserve the vote,women don't have the same rights
as man.
She must always remain underman's control.
And then all of a sudden, poof,it just the the story that
scripture was written only forits time evaporates.
These are the greatest 20thcentury popes, and there's 20
(11:28):
centuries between Christ andPius uh, you know, the 10th or
11th, but there's there's youknow one century between them
and us.
That proves that it's a timelessprinciple, it's a done deal,
it's a it's it's fake.
You can't be Christian andfeminist.
SPEAKER_00 (11:42):
What's what's crazy is like the the early centuries
of the church, the churchactually had to work on men
because men were like like theidea because we we we have this
this idea that marriage predatesChristianity, but not really,
not the way we know it today.
The idea of monogamous marriagebetween one man and one woman is
(12:03):
very Christian, and that getsworked out in the first few
centuries of the church wherethe church starts putting this
calling on men, and they do itby reading Paul, where Paul's
like, You you know, slavemasters, you can't just go and
rape your slaves, like there's abodily sacrality to your slave
because of the resurrection.
Husbands, you have to actuallyremain faithful to one woman.
(12:25):
Because if you look atnon-Christian age, you look at
Islam, Islam looks at us andthey're like, One wife, are you
out of your mind?
What are you gonna have onewoman?
Because Christian marriage isvery unique.
So you have these firstcenturies of the church where
the church is working on gettingmen's lust under control, and
they do a really good job at it.
And it kind of subdues theearth, it gives men time to join
monasteries because now we havethese consecrated virgins and
(12:48):
things like that.
But then over time, what hashappened over the last four or
five centuries is we made thingsso good for women that they were
able to just get a little uppityand start and start getting a
little out of pocket.
So, really, the church shouldthe church should now spend the
next century focusing on gettingwomen in line because men men
(13:12):
are pretty good.
Like if you really think aboutit, like men for the most, I
mean, yeah, you're always gonnahave the philanderers and you're
always gonna have those guys,but for the most part, we all
understand as a society that aguy who cheats on his wife is a
POS, uh, a guy who you knowsteps out on his family, he's
you know, he's not a good guy.
But we've we're in a culture nowwhere women who do this, like
(13:33):
there's no amount of lives awoman will not destroy if it
gets in the way of herhappiness.
That's where we're at now.
SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
Yeah, no, I agree that I would never hang out with
um or want to spend time with aguy who is a POS if he steps out
on his wife.
But here's something that thechurch needs to start teaching
that binds all of these otherpropositions together.
In theory, um, a woman cannot bea good Christian woman without
(13:59):
being a good wife, because womenwere made for men, right?
Men were made for God, though,right?
Well, man is the glory of God,woman's the glory of man.
So theoretically, I don't knowif I've ever seen it happen, but
theoretically, a man can be agood man and not a very good
husband.
Now, I don't I don't see it playout that much.
All the good men I know areeither priests or good husbands.
(14:22):
But theoretically, the telos oflife, the the you know, the
mission is the husbands, and thewife is literally just his
supporting character.
The main character energy is theman.
So we have to start saying that.
That a wife literally, uh youknow, if she's not um uh living
a consecrated life, she like ifyou basically obeying her
(14:42):
husband is how she gets toheaven and and she and and
helping him with all hisprojects, and she has really no
projects of her own.
And for the for the most oh, I'msorry, Tim, I don't mean to cut
you off.
I'll just say we'll know thatfeminism has truly died, it
seems to have died, you know, ayear or two ago, but no, it will
truly be cognizable as dead inthe water when we can say it
(15:04):
that way, and everyone's like,Well, of course, of course.
Again, a woman was made for man,not man for woman.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
And you actually do see that play out in marriages,
regardless, like a man willeither lead his wife to heaven
or lead his wife to hell.
Because essentially, this comesdown to what all the all the
arguing comes down to, and whatreally upsets me when I see
Catholic influencers andespecially the Catholic Inc guys
defending some of the stuff thatthey defend is what they're
(15:31):
telling women is you don't haveto be holy, because it it is it
is an intricate part of awoman's holiness to be
submissive to her husband, and awoman will not go to heaven
unless she's unless she submitsto her husband.
We're talking about it's nodifferent from the Protestant
who refuses to submit to thechurch of Rome.
(15:52):
If you do not submit to yourhusband, you are on the road to
hell, and it's as simple asthat.
So, all of these guys whosupport someone like Lila,
because Mike, you said this onTim's show today when you were
talking about the red pill, andyou said, you know, because Tim
mentioned like the red pill getsthe right diagnosis, and you're
like, Yes, they do, but I'm at apoint now where there's so much
like off in it that I'd rathernot even touch it, you know,
(16:15):
like I'd rather not touch it atthis point because you know, a
little bit of rottenness willspoil the whole bunch,
essentially, right?
So if you're looking at thesethese so-called Catholic women
in the pro-life movement oranything, there's a little bit
of poison in what they'resaying, and they're teaching
girls to be girl bosses, so itpoisons the whole well at this
(16:36):
point, which is why this stuffactually needs to be addressed.
It is the it's it's this is whatthe Catholic Longhouse is is men
who kind of want to get onLila's podcast so they or they
want to have a good relationshippublicly with her, so they won't
call out the insanity that thatshe spews.
SPEAKER_02 (16:51):
Yeah, it's just hand holding, it's just a social
media hand holding.
They don't want to have thedifficult conversations.
It's it's but guys are lookingat seeing through it, especially
the Zoomers.
Zoomers are so done with thatgarbage.
And the few the future of socialmedia with these guys coming on
the scene, these women are gonnaget altogether ignored.
They're getting tired of gettingfinger waged, they're getting
tired of being longhoused,they're getting tired of you
(17:12):
know, them pretending that allof the world's problems uh are
on men's shoulders.
And hey, I'm the first one tosay, and I'm sure you guys would
all agree that men carry likethe lion's share of the
responsibility, but allowing usto perpetuate this, this, this
fallen solipsism that women havethat are innate to their their
their nature and they're they'rewanting to usurp authority, is
not doing them any good.
(17:33):
And so this like gentle way ofdelivering, there's a way you
there's a way to deliver themessage, but um being overly
gentle and tickling ears is notthe way that you correct course.
I think there's almost got to bea bit of a of an overcorrection.
Uh uh, and I think these women,99% of them, and unless they're
consecrated women or women likeMother Angelica or Mother
Natalia, they should just be offsocial media altogether.
(17:54):
I think they add, I don't thinkthey do enough good to uh outdo
a lot of the bad that they'redoing.
That it's just unjustifiable tome, and I'm tired of seeing it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:05):
Um, yeah, Tim, I d I wanted to get you on especially
because um I just know the sh Ijust know what this thing has
been for you.
Like the past the past six, youI think you sent it to me about
six months ago when it wasfinally completed and you sent
it to me.
And I was and this was likeright after you got all the
rippricker footage put together.
(18:25):
I was just blown away by it.
Like if you guys, if you guysobviously tomorrow the it comes
out tomorrow at 10 a.m.
on Candace's network.
I promise you, if you go andspend the money on it, you will
not be disappointed.
It is it's an hour and a half ofjust like you don't want to take
your eyes off the screen.
It's a phenomenally donedocumentary.
SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Yeah, thanks.
And it's only a buck 99.
You know, when I was talking toum Candace's CEO and husband
George, they were they wereplaying with$3.99, and I'm like,
look, you know, I have a vestedinterest, but let let's let's
make it where people can'tcomplain.
Let's make it the best price fora 90-minute movie ever for a
(19:06):
dollar ninety nine for a new90-minute movie, and um, you
know, it's under two bucks.
So you know, it debuts tomorrow10 a.m.
CST on Canada.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh I think no, no, because thatsomehow Nashville is is CST,
which is counterintuitive.
It's so far east of other peoplein the CST.
(19:29):
Yeah, it's it's 10 CST, Ibelieve.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
Let me double.
You uh you you have to do likeum you gotta go on a promo tour
for this thing, then you I hopeyou called in favors with
everybody because I want to makesure this thing gets out there.
SPEAKER_03 (19:42):
I have, and like I mean, I you know, Tucker's seen
parts of it because he wasseriously considering it.
He he switched basicallyproducers um halfway through the
film's production, and that kindof changed its outcome.
We showed it at Daily Wire, weshowed it on a million dollar
screen at Daily Wire.
Daily Wire and the the movieguys there in their um what's
(20:04):
their movie um house called?
Their their Pendragon, they werelike, this is like one of the
most beautiful films we've everseen, just to look at.
SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:12):
And they were we were watching it with Michael
Moles in studio, um, and thentwo of their execs in the movie
thing, and they're like, How didyou do this for under millions?
Daily Wire has such a bigbudget.
They're like, Wow, you did thisfor like a quarter of a million
dollars.
That's that's incredible.
This looks like a multi-milliondollar film, which it it really
does to look at.
And part, you know, a big sourceof my pride is just the the um
(20:36):
the the the crappy QCing, thelow QCing of output in the
Catholic world and the Christianworld in general.
The the films and and fine artsin general are just, I'm not
talking about the medieval ages.
It ain't the medieval agesanymore.
Where art our quality control isnear the floor.
So just to put togethersomething that's beautiful and
(20:57):
like dope and entertainingthat's gonna capture all the the
you know, I I have a lot ofgroupers in my audience that's
gonna capture all the young menand and already has for the ones
that have seen it.
We've test screened with a lot,just like this is this is really
cool, and you know, you're notgonna want to take your eyes off
of it.
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
So, um yeah, because I'm thinking back to even the um
the drama of the Cabrini movie,right?
Like everybody wanted toeverybody wanted to pretend that
was such a good movie, and youwere the first one that came
out.
You were like, This movie istrash, it sucks, it's a girl
boss the whole way through.
Do not and I remember watchingthat movie, and I was just
(21:37):
disgusted watching it, andeverybody around us was like,
No, no, no, this movie's great,promoting.
I'm like, I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_03 (21:43):
It's like you and Wardo called me, and he was
literally like, he's agentleman.
He's like, So, what why don'tyou like it?
We want we want to impress you,we like your work, and I was
like, It's feminism all the waythrough, it's shot through with
feminism for 20 minutes, and hewas like, Well, and then we
showed him what we had then, andhe was like, Wow, this is
impressive.
He was like, I just I thinkthese older guys, Gen X and
(22:04):
Boomers, just don't know, theydon't understand what Nick
Fuentes was telling PiersMorgan, like, we're done with
it, man.
Like racism, sexism,anti-Semitism, it's all funny,
like no one cares.
Like, okay, well, then we'regonna hit you with the nuclear
option.
People died, don't care.
You know, men subjugated women.
That's not even true.
But even if people died in thepast, you know, if it's in
(22:27):
another century from mine, it'sfunny.
And we're just we're goingforward with what it takes to uh
this was a trajectory, not a nota Roman salute.
Um, so we're going forward witha a a different program, a um
Western civilization uhreclamation project.
And far more important than evenreversing the the finger
(22:47):
wagging, the pearl clutching,and the beard stroking over
racism and anti-Semitism is thesexism thing.
Because, like Father Rippigersaid on a show today, it's night
over 99% of the homes everywhereare just run by these awful
women, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
Even even the trads, especially the trad.
That was why I did the show onMichael Matt, because Michael
Matt's supposed to be thisleader of the traditional
movement.
And I'm like, he is so off onthis.
And he was playing clips on hisshow of he's like, Well, should
this woman shut up too?
And it's this woman out theretelling men, men, you're created
for more, and you should be mad.
It's like, no, she shouldn't besaying this.
SPEAKER_03 (23:26):
Yeah, yeah, of course she should shut up.
SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
She shouldn't be saying this, she shouldn't be
calling men to do this.
And then he played a clip from anun speaking at his conference.
I'm like, Well, Michael, like,think of it.
What how weird would it be ifthat nun got up and started
talking to men aboutpornography?
Because that's what the issuecame down to with Lila with with
Lila.
It's just it's it's immodest andit's just out of place.
Like, these women should not bedoing this.
(23:48):
It's just, and I and I the theone thing I'm um I do worry a
little bit about, and a lot ofit is because of X and just
seeing how we all handle, likeeverybody handles themselves on
X is the irony poisoning andkids getting so blackpilled on
it that they think they cannever find a wife.
And there are still good womenout there, and it is still good
(24:10):
to get married, and it's likethe because that is the
proposition of the red pill.
And I think if we don't makesure we let men know, like you
still do find your your purposein life as a husband and a
father, and there are stillmarriageable women out there
that are are women that are thatwant to be led.
SPEAKER_02 (24:33):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's not enough dudes kind of
stepping to the forefront andthen kind of telling these guys
to still have hope, though.
I mean, if you look on X and yougo down these rabbit holes, it's
mainly a rabbit hole of of ofdoomer doomerism, mainly.
And there, if there's one thing,and again back to the earlier
point that I absolutely agreewith Nick Fuentes on, is that uh
(24:53):
the untouchable topic is not JQ,it's not race, it's not
anything, it's women.
This is why nobody wants totouch this topic with a 10-foot
pole.
Even a lot of the people thatare quote unquote based, they do
not want to uh shake thehornet's nest, if you will.
And this is why I think it wasso difficult uh to get this
taken on by anybody.
And I think it's gonna make,regardless if there's massive
(25:14):
promo or not, I think it's gonnahit the right people.
And I think especially Gen Z aregonna look at this and actually
come out of it not black pilled,but actually uh hopeful.
You know, there's not enoughguys telling these young dudes
that hey, you know, you'rekeeping it in your pants, you're
staying chase.
A lot of these zoomersunderstand that they're
returning to the faith indroves, they're returning to
tradition in droves, but there'sso much black pill and nihilism
(25:36):
going on on S.
Like it's hard for them to siftthrough it, right?
They've got all the piss andvinegar, and the next thing you
know, they're they're voluntarycelibate because they think
they're all OnlyFans models, oryeah, there's just no hope.
It's like, dude, that's soantithetical to the gospel, too.
SPEAKER_03 (25:49):
Yeah, the well, the only thing I'll do you one
better.
The only, and this is a totalwhite pill.
Most women out there, by thetime they're graduating high
school, I saw high school foreight years total.
And I know it's it's bleak insome sense.
There are some girls that havebeen really slutty by the end of
their senior year of highschool, but it's really college
(26:11):
where everything gets wrecked.
The real the the point of noreturn is, you know, when a
girl's body count goes really,really high, or you know, I
guess the scale gets tippedreally, really high.
Anything other than that, evenif she's a feminist when you
meet her, even if she's aleftist when you meet her, even
if there's you know, whatever, amistake or two in the past that
(26:33):
that's not um super Catholic,even if she's not Catholic, if
she's Protestant, if she's supersecular, a Chad will just be
like, no sweat.
I I like the way she looks, Ilike her sort of core
personality.
I'll just make her be Catholic.
And and and that's not and seewhen the guys that have no game
hear that, a generation raisedon the internet.
(26:56):
This is the one problem with theZoomers.
Me and Anthony were talkingabout this the other day.
They have no game, they have noconfidence in IRL.
When you when a Chad hears that,he's like, No problem.
I like how this girl looks, Ilike how she acts aside from the
leftism, and you need to beCatholic.
It's like, give me two weeks,you know.
Women are natural followers, menare natural leaders.
(27:16):
Let nature take its course.
The four of us marriedProtestant girls, they're all
Catholic now.
SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
Exactly.
The four of us, nothing,Stephanie's just in true none,
but that's the point.
Whether she's a name or she'sproud of it, like the four of us
marry.
So because you caught a lot ofcrap for this, and I said I say
the same thing.
It's like, I don't care.
If like if my son meets aProtestant girl, I'm like,
what's fun?
Like, she's gonna do what yousay, yeah.
She's going to do what you say,so it really isn't that big.
(27:42):
I I don't feel the same wayabout girls meeting Protestant
guys because no, no, it's adefinitely not it's a very big
different story.
But like, if if a guy like likeTim said, and and look, and also
you guys, I know you guys areall watching, like all these
young guys are watching like thered pill content, and they're
saying like uh you guys have tobe realistic about this, and
(28:02):
there is a lot of rot out there.
So if you meet a girl with oneor two mistakes in her past, you
can't hold this perfect idealsometimes, and you have to you
have to you have to have alittle bit of mercy in that.
I'm not saying na la ray, youknow what I mean?
Like, that's at the point whereit's like, okay, that's the
point of no return.
But a person who made a mistakeor two in their past, like you
(28:24):
cannot hold anybody to thatlevel of perfection at at this
point, just because of howrotten the culture is, in my
opinion.
SPEAKER_02 (28:30):
I've been saying that for a long time.
It's like, hey, if we want tolive in a better or have leave a
better society for our children,you're gonna have to make these
concessions.
And a lot of guys came at me sohard because a lot of these
dudes are, you know, they'revirgins, good for you.
That's a good thing.
That's that's absolutelyvirtuous.
You're gonna meet women andthey're not gonna fit that bill
to a T.
You've got to have some grace.
Only you know what that sort ofthreshold is for you in terms of
(28:53):
how much you're able to dealwith.
You know, don't go marry anOnlyFans model or a stripper or
something crazy like that.
Um, but yeah, you get you getthese red pill dudes that act
like FAGs, and then on the otherside, you get these Thomas dudes
that are looking for Thomaswomen.
You're like, what is what'swrong with you, bro?
What is actually wrong with you?
Go find any kind of woman who'sattractive, who's like not, you
(29:15):
know, a purple-haired feministwho's not vehemently opposed to
Christ, and you will converther.
It's not that the the exactlythe Chads with some Riz don't
care about this stuff becauseit's like, hey, hey, come here,
come here, just you're gonnacome next in with me.
SPEAKER_03 (29:30):
You know, it's like someone that goes into a comedy
and they're looking for dramaenergy.
It's like exactly even if she'sa purple held haired feminist,
it does she have good facialstructure, is she thin and is
she kind of cool at her core?
You can work with that.
You tie that shit out of yourhair, man, and uh you wear this.
And and other than that, she shewants to follow you if you're
(29:50):
cool.
The problem is the guys don'tknow how to be cool.
So, this I don't like to do thewhat about the men though, the
Andrew Wilson thing, and justalways blame men, but it does
come down to these guys justbeing dorks, yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (30:02):
Yeah, dude, like there are and look, there are
tons of women out there whostuck with men who don't know
how to lead.
Like, we do have to work on menand teach them how to be men
because they've grown up in thisemasculated, they they maybe
didn't have good father figuresbecause we really are dealing
with a crisis of fatherhoodright now, yeah.
And so many young guys havenever had mentors or had a
(30:24):
father figure in their life whowas.
I mean, they the recipe for akid becoming gay is an
overbearing mother and anabsentee, or like the the the
father who's afraid or or justemasculated completely, like
that's a recipe to turn a kidhomosexual, it just is so a lot
of these kids may not have youknow they may be straight, but
they did grow up in thatsituation and they need help,
(30:47):
you know.
And and if if if we're notwilling to at least lend a
little grace to those guys andhelp them because these kids
need help, man.
SPEAKER_02 (30:55):
I'm telling you, well, that's what CMA is all
about, right?
Mike, yeah, that that's exactlyyeah.
I mean, we were calling themout, but I think in a way that
calls them forward and doesn'tjust you know in you know
inflame their insecuritiesfurther, because there's a way
to do it.
If you're you know shining toomuch heat on a man, he's just
gonna cower, he's gonna youknow, fold like a cheap suit,
especially nowadays where guys Imean, dude, uh I I grew up in
(31:16):
the trades, so being aroundguys, you're just if if you if
you do not know how to keep upand you don't have a thick skin,
you are the bottom biatch of ofthe crew.
You just simply are, and a lotof these guys they can't hang,
they just can't.
So there's got to be a bit of,you know, okay, man, I'll I'll
help you walk forward, but I'mgonna I'm gonna push you over,
uh, but I'm gonna pick you backup at the same time.
That kind of actual masculinedirection.
(31:38):
Listen, I was one of thosedudes.
I was raised by my grandparentsand a single mother.
I had no idea of my masculineidentity.
What the hell was that?
I felt more comfortable aroundwomen, and I realized I need to
get around more dudes that Iwant to be like, you know, get
to the gym, lift some weights,you know, live, you know,
virtuously, uh, be around guysand emulate that, you know, um,
um, and grow in virtue, findmyself a good woman, and then
(31:59):
sort of figure it out.
A lot of these guys, I mean,they're not gonna do it um
sitting in their basements, notdoing anything about it, too.
SPEAKER_03 (32:05):
Mike, it's hard to imagine you.
I know I've seen the pics of youwhen you were heavy, but um,
you're like, dude, I need tostart lifting some weights.
And you, whatever day that was,you just started and you just
haven't stopped.
SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
You've been the mental piece.
SPEAKER_02 (32:19):
Mike's lifting weights right now.
Yeah, I'm doing leg extensionsright now, dude.
Actually, back in the day, II'll show you a picture.
I look like a fat lesbian.
SPEAKER_01 (32:28):
I've seen the picture, you were still strong
as you're very strong.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_03 (32:33):
Look like a fat lesbian secretly.
That's what I was going for.
You're trying to say howhandsome you always were.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
The thing is, um the the Daily Wire not picking up
was strange to me because it waskind of an answer.
Like the reason you named itthis is an answer to Matt
Walsh's question, right?
What what what is a woman?
What a woman is.
This is what a woman is.
So it would have been a good fitthere.
Um, I'm kind of glad it didn'tgo there.
Yeah, I I hope I hope it'ssuccessful over at um over
(33:03):
Candace's network.
I'd like to see her promote it alittle bit, and uh, and I'd like
to get to the bottom of whyGeorge Farmer refuses to
acknowledge me.
Like I gotta probably stopbecause I'm the I'm the only
probably the ducking.
I'm just saying, I'm the onlyCatholic podcaster that George
Farmer doesn't like best friendswith.
I don't know what's going onwith that.
SPEAKER_03 (33:23):
What uh are you have you uh invited him on the show?
SPEAKER_00 (33:26):
No, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (33:27):
I uh why is he ignoring me?
Well, maybe because how does oneget in touch with George Farmer?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (33:38):
Yeah, some you did yeah, I'd imagine he watches
your show.
I think he's mentioned your showbefore to me, so he he watches a
lot of Catholic content.
SPEAKER_00 (33:46):
That's what I hear.
I hear the guy does watch a lot.
So all right, George, there's alittle there's a little message
to you.
I better get a phone call soon.
Um, all right, that up, but Idon't think I did just try to
make well.
I've been making you feel goodthe whole episode.
It's nice that you can make mefeel good for a second.
Yeah, that's what what are yournext stops on promo tours?
You got anybody else's showyou're going on?
SPEAKER_03 (34:05):
I'm going on Elijah Schaefer and Sarah Stalk's shows
tomorrow, I guess, right as thething's coming out.
And um yeah, I don't I don'tknow.
I'm I'm I'm buddies with MichaelKnowles.
I don't know what what theofficial stance is on allowing
uh kind of promotions therebecause we we did offer it to
them and uh they were allimpressed with it, but it's just
(34:27):
they're like this is a littlebit you offered.
Oh yeah, we offered it toeveryone.
I mean we really we offered itto Tucker, very interested.
Michael Knowles, the Blaze wasvery interested for a while.
Um Candace Candace at the end ofthe day is just the one that
that has the Hutzpah to do it.
So 10 CST tomorrow, a dollarninety nine on candaceowens.com.
(34:49):
You can go uh look at thisthing, and I'm we're just we're
we're really excited.
SPEAKER_00 (34:54):
So yeah, I'm I can't a dollar ninety nine.
That's that's honestly.
I mean, I'm gonna I alreadywatched it and I'm gonna pay for
it.
So I would like to see everybodythat watches the show.
Uh I mean, you guys can affordtwo bucks, but let's give this
thing a good big push early on.
Um, I'm I have to wake up at 2a.m.
So I told Tim we were gonna keepthis thing like 35 minutes, 40
(35:14):
minutes.
Tim's got a bunch of stuff he'sgonna be doing soon.
I want to see everybody in ouraudience go spend a few bucks
and get this thing popping off.
Mike, I'm looking forward toseeing you uh Friday, brother,
brother.
SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
Me too, bro.
Pray that we get there okay.
It's a five-hour drive withlittle kids, but we're we're
stoked.
My wife is stoked, it's gonna begood.
SPEAKER_01 (35:29):
Yeah, I can't wait for wise happening.
SPEAKER_03 (35:31):
I have real big FOMO happening.
I I guess that um feminism isreally just about the friends we
made along the way.
SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
Not for nothing.
These bronze prouder, I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
It's true though, it absolutely did.
Otherwise, we wouldn't all betalking, would we?
No, not at all.
We gotta get Tim.
We gotta get I'm gonna say ithere live.
We got to get CMask going again.
SPEAKER_03 (35:54):
Uh no, 100%, 100%.
It's coming back, boys.
It's it needs to come back,which never ended.
It was just Nick left, then wewere all, and then Will's Will
has the craziest schedule ever.
He's like tutoring Chinesechildren, and like his his date
book is just more filled thananything.
That guy's a workhorse, so hesleeps like two hours a night.
SPEAKER_02 (36:15):
I'm convinced that guy's not human.
He's like, No, he's not human,he's half cyborg terminator.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:22):
Yeah, because I I would love to join you guys for
an episode and pitch my wholetheory about how the entire
crisis we are facing in thechurch is actually because of
this mutual submission issuewhere every parish has the
women.
This the Susan from the parishcouncil comes down to the priest
of that, the pastor of thatcouncil being afraid to tell
that woman no.
(36:42):
And that's how we get all thedisorder we get in every single
Novus Ordo parish.
It's all because of the menafraid to tell women no.
We're gonna have incense here,we're gonna have an altar rail
here, and I don't want to hearanything.
We're not gonna play that crappysong anymore.
We're gonna play something alittle holier.
And like you could actually fixthe liturgy in some of the worst
places in the country if youjust got some men willing to
(37:03):
tell these women no.
SPEAKER_03 (37:04):
So yeah, we call it the uh what do we call it?
The uh the parish warblers.
Uh we feel like the the crappysingers in the Novas Ordo
parish, and we go here and wedon't go to the TLM in New
Orleans.
We feel like it's like you know,five women stronger each time.
It's like 20 last week, 25 thisweek, and they're just doing the
(37:25):
warbling thing, you know, likethey do all of them, all of them
do that.
They all do the warbler.
It's it's uh it's disgusting,it's terrible music, they have a
terrible voice.
I want to do the Larry Davidthing where you just go and
you're like, All right, wrap itup.
Good job, great work.
Now go go back to your seats.
Like, just stop, just go back toyour seats.
(37:47):
We need the music, it's theworst part of the novice order.
I hope we can all agree on that.
SPEAKER_02 (37:51):
There's not to mention when Ephesians, when
Ephesians 5 comes up, it'salways just oh my gosh, dude,
you're sitting here like, whatam I listening to?
SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Right, if they even if they even talk about it at
all.
Oh I know a quick a quickanecdote about that.
When my cousin Eddie gotmarried, like you have to choose
your scripture readings for thewedding.
And my cousin chose Ephesians 5.
And the priest was like, Really?
You want me to read the wholething?
Like he was shocked, and he andhe said it to his wife, to his
(38:20):
fiance at the time.
He's like, You're okay with mereading this, and she's like, I
want you to read it.
What are you talking about?
Like the whole thing was was thelike that's the purpose of
marriage.
What else would you read at awedding?
I don't understand.
SPEAKER_03 (38:32):
See, I I wanted to make this point earlier.
I think conceptually, I thinkthis might explode your brain.
When you were struggling toarticulate that that because
it's because it is a weirdlyexpansive concept that there
wasn't marriage beforeChristianity, before Christ
elevated um the Jewish covenantto the dignity of a sacrament.
The reason it wasn't it doesn'tcount as true holy matrimony,
(38:55):
drum roll, is because um theJews, obviously, the Muslims had
polygamy, the the Jews hadpolygamy for half the history up
to Christ.
And then even then, even once ithad to be monogamy, what did
they have?
They had legal divorce.
If you enter marriage with legaldivorce, that is not match holy
matrimony.
Yeah, that's not real marriage.
(39:15):
So real marriage is uniquelyChristian, very uniquely
Christian.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
It's uh it's yeah, because I I I always get an I
always get a little frustratedwhen I hear people say, No,
marriage predates religion, andit's like not really, you know.
You go back, you go back, youread the old testament, you go
back and read through Genesis,they all got 90 wives, and then
you get even when you get tofirst kings, and it's like
David's got you know 150concubines, and uh Solomon had
(39:43):
400 wives and 700 concubines,like that's not marriage, and it
took Christ's coming to elevateit to a sacrament to give us
marriage.
SPEAKER_03 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's which also why why Judaism and
Islam are both so carnal, it'salso why the red pill is so
messed up, it's just for Jewsand Muslims, it's run by Jews
and Muslims.
Red pill.
It's a it's a hangout, it's apsyop.
SPEAKER_00 (40:02):
Um, it's oh, it's definitely a psyop.
I mean, have I mean you you lookat even Myron, Myron's like a
legitimate fed, he's like aliteral fed.
SPEAKER_03 (40:11):
All of them are the father's CIA or uh the um
Myron's father was in like DHSor something.
Um even even Pearl, who's youknow always been friendly to us,
even her her mom's in some someUN thing, they're they're all um
they're all spooks, they'rethey're all um they glow in the
(40:32):
dark.
And I don't know if they do, butthey're from these families, and
that's why they have theopportunities, and it's
definitely limited hangout.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's why your channel never blew up, even
though you were talking aboutthe same concepts, because
you're actually talking aboutreal Christian patriarchy where
they're just talking aboutdebauchery.
SPEAKER_03 (40:48):
Yeah, they just yeah, like here's here's how to
like you know, bang Dallas, bangwhatever.
And that guy, the um Return ofKings guy, is the one red pill
guy that actually repented andand went away, Rouche V.
And and uh, you know, props tothat guy.
He actually went away, he won'teven do interviews now, he's
just like making pizzas in hismom's like basement, and and he
(41:10):
just went away.
He's like, I have to repent, andhe's orthodox.
SPEAKER_00 (41:13):
That's what every one of these women should do
that come from like that'sreally like the uh only when you
live a life that publiclyshameful, like you really do
need to go into hiding and livean aesthetic life, like you
really do.
SPEAKER_03 (41:28):
That's the only way the mass murderer, the mass
genocidist, known as AbbyJohnson, killed 22,000 human
children and a couple of herown.
And instead of going away, andliterally, you know, they want
you know, Nick Fuentes is he whoshall not be named, like Lord
(41:50):
Voldemort.
He's a good guy, he's a goodguy.
He's never he's it's literallyuh a virgin, as he was saying on
Piers, cares about everybody,you know, says he wishes the
best for everyone, praise foreveryone, praise for his
enemies.
I know this for a fact frombehind the scenes.
Never killed not even one, noteven two or three humans.
On the other hand, just assesshow much you are all brainwashed
(42:12):
and psyoped.
Abby Johnson is foisted in yourface, and um, she's killed
22,000 human beings, and andshe's not living a life of quiet
penance, she's foisted in yourface and she's profiting off.
It's it's disgusting.
The pro-life movement has alwaysbeen vile because it's led by
feminists and they're allthey're all witches.
SPEAKER_00 (42:33):
So yeah, yeah, it's actually like um like it's and
not just that it's not just thatshe's a pro-life leader, like
she killed 22,000 children.
Now she makes money off of likelike she's she's profiting off
of that.
Like it's it's kind of crazy,like she's profiting financially
now, not just from when she wasperforming it, but now she goes
(42:56):
and pitches that story.
It's almost like bragging aboutyour past sense.
I don't know, it's it's reallydisordered.
SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
And they'll never talk about getting rid of
abortion altogether either,because that would cut their
their business off.
You know, it's it's stopping 10short of the mark, which if
you're not going to go all theway, you're not going even,
you're not making any you knowmeaningful step toward solution,
you're just patting your pocketsright up until the very end.
It's total BS, total psy-op inand of itself.
Yeah, thinly veiled garbage.
SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
They usually fight against laws that would actually
ban it completely.
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Exactly.
The mental gymnastics that theythey they do to justify those
points.
They don't want to get rid ofthose cushy multi-six figure
salaries and fifty thousanddollars speaking engagements.
It's it's it's demonic at itscore.
SPEAKER_00 (43:39):
Yep.
Yeah.
Um, all right, Tim.
I uh well, first off, I'mgrateful just for how much
you've helped me on this issuebecause it really has shaped my
thinking on it.
So uh yeah, and even even you,Mike, like watching you guys on
C Mask all the time, like itreally did help me.
Because I I never it's not likelike I was always the head of my
home, but actually being able tolike think this stuff through
(44:01):
and recognize how much of aproblem this stuff is at the
root of our culture and whyeverything is so disordered.
You guys have played a very bigpart in that.
So, guys, go check out Tim'sdocumentary tomorrow, 11 a.m.
Eastern on Candice's network.
It's just CandasOwens.com.
Yes, thanks.
Candason's dot com.
Tim, thank you for everything,man.
Appreciate you.
Mike, I'll see you on Friday.
(44:22):
For sure.
God bless you guys.
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