When the unthinkable happens, do you have someone who has your back?

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SPEAKER_03 (00:41):
Y'all gonna have to excuse me tonight.
I've got a little bit of theCOVID.
It it's so weird how how thesymptoms are different person to
person.
Like my kids, they all had likea spiked fever, and then like my

(01:01):
wife has an earache, right?
And and I'm congested, and itfeels like I've got cotton being
pushed out of my head, you know.
Well, I mean, you live inAlabama.
Well, there is that too.
Thankfully, I don't have anylike hay allergies or anything.
My boy does, man.
We go to my property down theroad, and uh we I'll just leave
the windows down and we'll ridearound in the fields in my

(01:22):
truck.
By the time we're back, my myboy's eyes are all swollen shut.
Like, oh man, we got to dosomething about that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29):
Every yeah, I get a sinus infection at least once a
year down here in all in thecentral Texas area.
Yeah, never had a sinusinfection up north until I moved
down here.
First time I got one, I thoughtI was dying.
I really did.
It was just the worst thing inthe world.
But yeah, it's it's it's nobueno.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
Man cold, it will get you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47):
It will.
I said it to my wife earlier.
I was like, look, you know, wheny'all when women have babies,
it's almost like you can comeclose to what it's like for us
when we have a cold.
100%.
It's just so it's you know,it'll really tear you up.

SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
For uh, for those of you who don't know, I'm sure
everyone who's been on thechannel before has seen Rick
Barrett once or twice with us,but uh Rick is joining us
tonight.
He he um he just started apretty recent uh pretty similar
show to this on his own channelon uh uh Rick Cast, right, Rick?

SPEAKER_05 (02:20):
That's correct.
Yep, it's called the Council ofSt.
Michael.
Um, a little bit of you knowinspiration from you guys doing
it, uh kind of thinking about itfor a while, but seeing you guys
do I'm like, all right, yeah,there's there's an audience for
it, and I think the time is nowthat we need to get as much
information out to as peoplefrom you know, there's a

(02:40):
thousand different Catholicapetic channels.
I'm sure I'm pretty sure we canhave two Catholic channels
talking about like guns and coolstuff.
So, you know, there's there's noreason for any uh any uh rivalry
or anything like that.
So it is an absolute pleasure tobe here tonight.
Thank you guys for the invite.
Uh honored to be here.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (02:59):
I I do love how YouTube changed their firearm
policy as soon as we startedthese two channels though.

SPEAKER_05 (03:06):
Any day that ends in why the firearm policy is up for
the ban on YouTube.
It just depends on how they feelthat day.

SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
Good point.

SPEAKER_05 (03:12):
It's it's awful.

SPEAKER_03 (03:13):
So it's yeah, we uh I was listening to a show the
other day, and they were talkingabout um that you know because
the policies change so quickly,people don't know like what can
we even talk about, you know.
Like what what's gonna get usshadow banned this time, right?
You know, it's so hard to keepup, but it's done intentionally,
right?
That the the reason that westill do it here is because this

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still has the furthest reach.
Yep, like whether we hate wehate that it does, but I would
rather do this on like you know,gab or something else, you know,
X maybe, right?
But this still has the furtherthe issue with Rumble is their
you their uh interface ishorrible, god awful.
Um it's like using MS DOS again,it's so bad.

SPEAKER_05 (03:58):
Yeah, I'd love to support it.
Uh you know, especially if youstream from there, you have the
opportunity to do add reads ifyou have a certain number of
people that watch and all theseother kinds of there's
definitely they try to get youto use it, and then you use it,
and you know, it's like okay, II might as well be not.

SPEAKER_03 (04:16):
So I had to they are getting better because I know on
the app side it looks a wholelot better than it did.
Um, so hopefully in the futureit's good enough, and hopefully
the future's got enough reachthat the where it competes with
YouTube.
It's just right now we get somany people just on this show
who just happen stance comeacross to us, you know, and and

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they come in and they'll they'llwatch, you know, which we
wouldn't get on Rumble becausethat's pretty much a captured
clientele over there.

SPEAKER_05 (04:45):
The money, it's the money.
You Google has no problempouring billions into this to
lose money, they have it toburn, and rumble is even with
the amount of money they tellthat people, it's still light
years, light years behind whatthey're trying to do there.

SPEAKER_01 (05:00):
Yep.
Um, one on one announcement wedo have is this will actually be
the last time this show is onthe main avoiding Babylon
YouTube channel.
Over the next week, I will bemaking a separate channel for
Guns and Rosaries.
The reasons being one, uh, rightnow the algorithm on YouTube is
a little weird, and new channelsare getting a lot bigger reach

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than old channels that areshadow banned for whatever
reason.
Not saying avoiding Babylon isshadow banned, but the views
have been a little weird.
So um hopefully a new channelhelps that.
Two, because the firearm policyis so up in the air all the
time, I wouldn't want some ofour videos on this subject to
get the whole channel takendown.

(05:44):
So um, next week, next Monday,this will be on a separate Guns
and Rosary channels.
Um, I will send that out andshare that uh channel when it's
available, but just so you allare aware of that.

SPEAKER_04 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (05:59):
And then you can tell like Rick uh uh Timcast,
Tim Pools.
Like, I started a separateTimpool channel and I pull the
same videos.
The new Timpool channel getstwice as many views as the old
one.
Yeah, and so if if the if one ofthe big dogs is dealing with
that, who knows what the rest ofus are dealing with.

SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
So it's absolutely it's a smart, it's a smart call
on that part, and that was oneof the things I was concerned
about when I approached Rob withthis idea, is um, I didn't want
this to really inhibit theirwhat they do on Tuesdays and
Thursdays.
So I was like, hey, we may needto eventually switch to Sother's
own channel.
That way, if like we get bannedon our own channel, like it

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doesn't affect them.
That's I've been very carefulabout a lot of the things I say
on this channel specificallybecause of that.
Um like just imagine if y'allhad the unfiltered, it'd be
crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Well, the video we did um like the on EDC, just
showing our you know, our ourcarry guns on camera.
Now the policy is you have toprove you are at a range to show
a firearm on YouTube, so thatvideo could get the whole
channel taken downtheoretically.

SPEAKER_03 (07:02):
Yep, absolutely.
And I don't like locals, sothat's not all me that I would
have taken down the one behindme.

SPEAKER_05 (07:10):
Yeah, yeah, give me a heads up on that one.
That's probably why my videosaren't getting my tree, but uh
oops, sorry, it wasn't puttingwasn't intentional, I promise.
No problem.
Like you can't show mag changes,you can't show any of that kind
of stuff on this.

SPEAKER_03 (07:26):
You can't you can't show taking a gun apart, none of
that at all.

SPEAKER_05 (07:31):
And it's just which is funny because there's still
videos about that all over theplace, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:34):
You know, well, and those are really just uh
Democli's sword hanging overchannels in case they ever want
to get rid of them.
Well, that was the reason, yeah,because you had all these you
know shows that went against thepolicy.
But that's what happens whenyou're constantly shifting the
goalposts, and you know,hopefully one day maybe X is
better than this for us to postto.

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You know, right now X is usinggreat videos.
Yeah, it's it's horrible forvideos.
Um, so it's just not it's justreally a non-star for right now.
Maybe that'll change, who knows?

SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
And I I think having a separate channel will make it
easier for anyone looking for byyour arm or you know, yeah,
preparate prepper relatedcontent.
They're not gonna necessarilysearch out a a Catholic channel
that's been doing Catholic stufffor five four years.

SPEAKER_03 (08:26):
Yeah, that's been the interesting because I've
been watching a lot of channelsthat I haven't watched in years
lately, just kind of see likewhat are they doing, and it's
almost like a lot of these gunchannels or prepper channels or
whatever, self-reliance,homesteading, whatever it is,
they're on like a three-yearcycle, right?
Like every three years, theystart rehashing the same topics,
yeah.
Right, it's over and over andover.

(08:48):
Um, and I and I I get that it Iguess it's it's hard to to keep
going about the same things,right?
Which is probably why it's goodthat you know, Rob, you and and
Anthony have done a lot of morelike responding to cultural
issues, which we do here aswell.
We've done a little bit, um, butthese especially these first
half dozen, dozen shows aretrying to get y'all caught up in

(09:08):
some of these topics that youmay have never been exposed to
before, right?
Um, like tonight we're gonna goover mutual assistance groups,
right?
Um, and that was not a thing 10years ago.
10 years ago, it was all aboutthe lone wolf, right?
And being out on your own andyou know, having to take care of
things by yourself because youknow, whatever, right?
That's the theanarcho-libertarian, you know,
fever dream.

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But um, you know, the thingslike topics like that, y'all may
not be exposed to.
They usually y'all can startlooking into these things, and
and a lot of what we'll go overtonight is is a lot of wave
tops, right?
You can get a whole lot deeperinto stuff and go out and search
other channels.
Um, but there are some aspectsthat come from our faith that
y'all gonna have to be aware ofon some of this stuff, um, when

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y'all start looking for thesethings, right?
Because we're all seeing theshape of the world right now,
and we're probably gonna bedoing like a forefront war here
soon.
Um, and you're gonna be on yourown.
And you when you call 911 tohelp, they're not gonna be able
to come help uh because they'regonna be involved in their own
stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (10:08):
Um, so you have that, and also you have the fact
that the most modern policedepartments, urban we'll say,
uh, are still they'll they'venever recovered and will never
recover from 2020 and the defundmovement.
There were stories from 2020 allthe way up to today where I'm I

(10:28):
I remember this one clear asday, but I can I was doing
Catholic radio.
Um, there was a a part ofPittsburgh where they put out a
a bulletin and they say, guesswhat?
From about 12 to 6, 911 doesn'twork.
We don't have the uh we don'thave the people to cover it.
So you can call us, but nobody'sgonna answer the actual phone.
And so that stuff has alreadyhappened.

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And the fact of the matter is,you know, police, and this is
one of my favorite lines, policeare not obligated, Shaney B.
Winnebago, the Supreme Courtdecision eight nine, they're not
obligated to protect you.
Fourteenth Amendment states theydon't they don't have to get
involved in private parties,they're literally there to take
notes, do some chalk outlines,and maybe like you know, put a

(11:13):
tourniquet on you if they feelthey feel like they're up to it.
Now, I always preface that bysaying there are a lot of really
good police officers that goabove and beyond, they try to do
their job, but when it comesdown to it, they don't have they
don't have to do anything,right?

SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
And I think we go ahead, Rob.
Well, I was just gonna say whereI live, like right now, we my
little town, it's about 1,500people.
Um we have budget cuts coming upfor the city this upcoming year
that might make us reduce ourpolice force down to one
full-time officer.

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That's full-time like 40 hours aweek, not full-time all you
know, 24 hours a day.
So we will no longer have 24hour coverage in my little, you
know, my little town.
Um, sure, we have a countysheriff, obviously, but you
know, he's got uh they have awhole county to deal with, so
you know, the next nearest copis gonna be 25 minutes away at

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best if they're doing literallynothing else and are as close as
possible.
So, yeah, I mean that dependingon where you live, if you're out
in the sticks, you know, thecops might be half an hour away.

SPEAKER_03 (12:24):
And we saw that we saw that this weekend, the cops
aren't even protecting othercops in Chicago.
Yeah, if y'all saw that updatewhere um the feds went in and
they got basically ambushed andsurrounded on all sides, and the
Chicago police were told not torespond and help them, right?
If cops don't even help othercops, they're not gonna help us,

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especially in your very blueurban areas.

SPEAKER_05 (12:48):
What has happened is with the default and the
movement, you got rid of all thegood ones in a lot of places,
and you replaced them withessentially gay race communists
who are they believe in themovement, they believe in that,
all that kind of stuff.
So they're not the last thingthey're gonna do, it's almost
like in Portland, Antifa and theum and and the adjutant and the

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cops are hand in hand.
So that's that's what you'regonna be dealing with in those
areas.

SPEAKER_03 (13:16):
So it absolutely, absolutely, you know.
It for those of y'all that youknow have heard me talk about
before, but Mike Shelby over atFort Reserver, you know, he's
been reporting on this stuffforever, right?
And in Portland is an occupiedterritory.
Like you, I if you're if you'rein Portland and you're carrying
and you have to use it, you aregoing to jail, even if you're in
the right, right?

(13:36):
So just what's what's his name?

SPEAKER_01 (13:38):
What's his name?
Uh Nick's order, right?
He he uh defended himself withwhat threw a punch and got
arrested.
Yeah, I mean it's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (13:48):
That's the DA's, that's that whole thing, as you
were saying, Adrian.
Um, you know, that's what I whenI teach my LTC classes.
I tell them, hey, if you're inAustin, if you're in San
Antonio, if you're in Dallas,you're probably better off not
drawing your weapon.
You got to get out of therebecause they will drag you, even
if you have CCW safe orattorneys and retain or any of
those guys, you're gonna getdragged.

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You know, you're you're there'sno possible way you're getting
out of that one.
So yeah you gotta be also gonnacaution where you are in those
in those situations.

SPEAKER_03 (14:18):
It's even here in Alabama, it's the same way,
right?
I had I did a concealed carryclass last year uh with a um
he's he's on the SWAT team inone of the cities here in
Birmingham, right?
And he was he was telling us,like, hey, if you're in
Jefferson County or I don't knowwhat county Montgomery's in, but
Montgomery just had that hugeshooting this weekend, too.

(14:39):
That's right.
Um, you know, and he's like, ifyou're there, he's like, if you
can get out of there, do it.
He's like, if you have to pullyour weapon as a last resort
because they will fry you,right?
And he sees this because heworks as a city cop in the city.
He's like, I don't even live inJefferson County.
He's like, I live in ShelleyCounty, which is the county
south of Jefferson County, whichis very red.

(15:00):
Um, you know, and he but he'sthat's what you have to be aware
of is is your surrounding andyour area of familiarity of
what's going on around youbecause if you're because our
Latin mass is in the murdercapital of Alabama, right?
In fact, a couple of months ago,they had a baptism on a
Saturday, and there was ashooting during the baptism

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about a block away, and aspeople were leaving the baptism,
the body was still on the groundbecause the police hadn't
responded 30 minutes later yet.
Wow, yeah, that's reality.
Yeah, so just be aware of whereyou're at, what the laws are
where you're at, and just knowthat if you're in a very urban
blue area, you are you you gottabe aware of what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05 (15:42):
So somebody said move to a red state in the chat,
even red state that you know,he's in Alabama, I'm in Texas.
Yeah, you gotta be careful justcounty by county, county by
county.
It just because of a red state,you know, like whatever happened
to Penny or Perry, whatever theguy was in Austin, it took him
four years to get a pardon afterthey dragged him through the
system, and that wasn't evenguaranteed.

(16:02):
So the old idea of just move toa red state is not a be-all in
ball, you gotta do your researchon that, find out your sheriff,
things like that, and and maybego from there.

SPEAKER_03 (16:11):
Well, that's the thing, there's no such thing as
a blue state.
There are blue cities that rulestates, yep.
Right, and in in fact, inIllinois, most of Illinois is
red, except for Chicago andChampaign and a couple of those
other areas.

SPEAKER_01 (16:25):
I mean, Minnesota's the same outside of the cities.

SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
They've got such a population density that they're
able to make laws for the restof the state that just mirror
those values of those of thosecities.
Um, so that you have to be awareof that.
So the reason Alabama works theway it is, is because
Birmingham's not that populated.
We have a bunch of mid-sizedcities in the state of Alabama,
and they're mostly red, right?

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Because they're not too huge.
But when you start gettingreally big, that's when you they
start to become very leftist,right?
Um, and they can take overareas, but you got other, you
know, areas like in Minnesota orSt.
Paul and Minneapolis basicallyrule the whole state.
Those are such a high majorityof people live in those two

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cities.

SPEAKER_01 (17:11):
The Seven County metro area up here in Minnesota
has more than half thepopulation of the whole state.

SPEAKER_05 (17:17):
So my favorite stat to give people is do you want to
know where the largestconcentrated number of votes for
Trump came from in 2020 and Ibelieve in 2024?
And everybody's jaws drop whenthey tell them it's California.
California, if you were actuallyjust section out like the amount
of votes, more than Texas, morethan any red state, it's just

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that they don't have any controlof any of the, you know, any of
the state, any things thatmatter.

SPEAKER_03 (17:44):
We have a lot of folks moving down here from all
over the country.
And when I meet them, the firstthing I tell them is do not vote
like you used to vote whereyou're at in the other state.
You moved here for a reasonbecause we don't vote like that,
right?
So vote like we do, uh,otherwise go back home.
But as long as you want to votelike we do and you have the

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values we do, yeah, absolutely.
Come on down.
I'll show you the house down thestreet from me that's for sale
right now on 28 acres.
Yeah, we have that problem.

SPEAKER_05 (18:12):
We have that problem massively.

SPEAKER_03 (18:14):
The issue Texas has is everybody, the people who
went to Arizona and it wasn'tquite liberal enough for them
yet, they went to Austin.
And now Austin's falling apart.

SPEAKER_05 (18:24):
Now Austin is absolutely falling apart.
It is it is absolutelydisgraceful.
Uh, what is actually happening,of course, all the the city
Houston's actually worse, but itdoesn't get the it doesn't get
the rep that Austin has becauseAustin is just a giant trash pit
and it happens to be thecapital.
But Houston, the only way to gothrough Houston is with a you

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know a couple Humvees with 50cows on top and go through as
quickly as possible becausethere's there's no reason
there's no reason to be there.

SPEAKER_01 (18:53):
I I hear Dallas is like the H1B capital of the
country, right?

SPEAKER_05 (18:57):
Oh, it's like mini Mumbai.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, uh McKinney, Frisco, allthose places have been taken
over by the H1Bs.
So there's that, there's allthat kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
Yeah, it's a it's interesting because I've seen
looking at some of the otherindicators of what's going
around.
Um I've seen a lot of housesbeing staying on the market for
a long time and not being notselling, right?
So what are some reasons forthat?
Well, one is rates are stillhigh, right?
People think that you know theywant to try and get that two and
a half percent again.

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That that's never coming back,first of all.
But second of all, they theythink, well, it could come back,
so I'm not buying a house tillthen.
Then the other side of it isyou've got people trying to sell
a house, they've been trying tosell for the last five years,
right?
But but it hasn't sold, so nowthey're like now they're locked
in to how much they think theirhouse is worth because houses
were like like theirs were beingsold like that two years ago.
But the other indicator I see isI have a friend who owns a

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trucking company, um, and um arival trucking company of theirs
just went out of business overthe weekend after about a week
because half his drivers gotdeported back to Mexico, right?
Because they couldn't speak orread English, right?
They got caught in these uhthese traps, these uh rest areas
and such, and they got deportedright there.

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And he had to send somebody outto get the truck, right?
Because they took them fromright there.
Um, and so you're seeing a lotof deportations and
self-deportations, people whoare like, Well, I'm not gonna
stick around for this, I'm gonnatake what I've earned so far and
go back to Mexico, Guatemala,Honduras, wherever, right?
So you're seeing a glutton ofpeople who are leaving, and
you're seeing a a lot of housesstaying for sale longer because

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of that.
In Boston, they've seen uh theuh cost of rent has reduced by
40 percent because they don'thave enough students coming in
to rent them because they can'tget through.

SPEAKER_05 (20:51):
Yeah, um, all that 100%.
And people in Texas, youactually had to pay to get a
showing, and even if you paid toget a showing, it wasn't
guaranteed that you're actuallygonna see the house because
people were coming fromCalifornia, just paying cash,
putting all those houses up, andlike you said, now they're all
underwater.
Yeah, those people have no idea.

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Kind of like it mirrors 2008 ina lot of ways, where people
houses are a million dollars inArizona when the house is broke
like 195.
Yeah, so they're not gettingthat back.
Uh, I actually saw there'sthere's a development about 35
minutes away from me, and I thisis how I know the housing
market's about to crash here inTexas.
On one of the billboards, itsaid houses now take$40,000 off

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the ass price.

SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
That's imagine a year ago you bought a house in
that development, and nowthey're selling the exact same
house for$40,000,$50,000 lessthan what you bought it for a
year ago.
Imagine how mad you are.

SPEAKER_01 (21:46):
Not to mention the house probably made like crap.
A Lego house?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:51):
A lot of these houses are we we had a house
made by one of these nationalbuilders, and I sold it as soon
as I found out they had likefour class action lawsuits
against them.
Because one of the class actionlawsuits is because a lot of
their sec two-story homes, thesecond story was built with such
new wood, it was bowing into theset the first floor.
Oh, yeah.
I was like, we out of here.
I'm selling this thing as soonas I can.

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I need to find a sucker to buythis thing because I'm not I'm
not getting stuck with it.

SPEAKER_05 (22:16):
Yeah, the um you you know it's bad because if you
actually go into the newdevelopments, wherever you are
across the union, once a houseis sold, like four four pallets
get dropped.
This is the outside, this is thekitchen, this is the bedrooms,
this is the wiring.
And you know, you talk toelectricians back even 10 years
ago.
Hey, it's gotta be great, allthis new building you guys are
doing.
He goes, We don't work there,you know why?

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Because when you open up thepallet for the electrician, it's
A and B.
And you take A and you wire itthrough and then you connect it
to B.
Like they they dumped it downfor the guys who can't speak
English and for the entireillegal cruise that the skill
that you would need when we werebuying when we were looking to
buy a house here.
I specifically told my wife,we're finding a house that was
built in the 80s because atleast I can guarantee that it's

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a little bit better, like thewalls are not particle board all
the way around, right?
You know, stuff like that.
But these new houses, and I haveone in Fort Worth, man.
And so much stuff, so much theyhave the uh the tail light
warranty after a year, they giveyou the one-year warranty on it,
and then day 161, everythingbreaks.

SPEAKER_03 (23:19):
Yep, oh yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, all right, guys, let's getinto the topic.
Um, we're we're like half anhour in already.
All right, so tonight's topic isabout uh mutual assistance
groups or you know, in theMarines, we had fire teams and
squads and stuff, right?
And um, you know, I wanted to goover like how do you start to

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build that and why you shouldbuild it.
Um because I see a lot of guys,you know, it was it was the the
prevailing opinion 10 years ago.
Hey, if something happens, ifthe you know the proverbial
feces hits the rotationaldevice, then I'm gonna put on my
pack and we're gonna get myhunting rifle, and me and the

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kids and the wife are all goingout to the woods and we're gonna
live.
Well, you and 300 million otherpeople, right?
Um, and so now as people as thethe GWAT has kind of uh died
down, and those guys have comehome and they're getting
involved in this space a littlebit more, we're getting a lot uh
better um understanding of whatwe need to do, and and and as

(24:25):
we've seen in some situations,you can't be the only person,
you need help, right?
Um and then uh so why why wasshould you set up a group,
right?
Um, so like Rob said on thefirst show, I actually have
notes.
So we'll we'll stay on track.

SPEAKER_01 (24:47):
So weird for this channel.
You have notes.

SPEAKER_03 (24:51):
Well, don't tell Rob, but I just wrote them about
an hour before I came on theshow.
It's more prep than I do.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
So let's go over let's go oversome pros real quick of why you
don't have a group, right?
Or why you don't have somepeople you can depend on.

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Those are the guys you want.
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 (25:15):
You want to say well with people, those are the ones
that I can see what you say.

SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
As most of y'all know, traveling with people in
any sort of capacity, if it'sespecially it's more than one
vehicle, or just traveling withyour kids, um, is like hurting
cats.
Oh my god, right trying to justmy wife, like following her in
the car, because she just likedrives, she doesn't pay
attention to lights or turns ornothing, and she'll just be

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gone.
And she's got a little bit of alead foot, right?
So, and I'll sit together likeyou gotta, you know, you gotta
stop with the yellow lights.
You can't go through the yellowlights, you gotta stop, you
know, whatever.
But the big thing about being onyour own is it's you're mobile,
you go wherever, whenever youneed to, right?
Um, so when you incorporateother people into the fact uh
and you have to account forother people, um you uh it gets

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a little bit more cumbersome,all right.
Another aspect, um, you don'tneed as much resources for one
person than you do for four kidsand a wife, or four kids and a
wife, and another family of six,right?
Or whatever it is.
You don't need as much.
You can get by on a lot.
Like if it were me, I'd eat onemeal a day if I was by myself,
right?
But I've got to feed my kids,you know, so they gotta eat more

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than once a day.

SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
And you're not supposed to be talking people
out of having a family here,Adrian.

SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
Uh, another aspect is you're flexible, right?
If you're by yourself, you canmove whenever you want, you can
eat whatever you want, you canbed down wherever you want.
I don't know if y'all ever seenthese channels of these guys who
do uh um what are they called?
Uh urban hidden camping orsomething like that.
Oh, yeah.
They'll like camp out inculverts and stuff.
Um, you know, you can do thatwhen you're by yourself.

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But you got four kids, they'regonna be like, Dad, why is the
raccoon in the tent with us?

SPEAKER_01 (27:03):
You know, uh camping in a culvert doesn't seem like a
plus though, Adrian.

SPEAKER_03 (27:07):
They try and see where they can camp and no one
notice them.
Then my other my other thoughtabout it is like, well, people
just think you're homeless.
You know, if you're if you're ifyou're in the in a in an
off-ramp, in the grass in theoff-ramp, they just think you're
homeless.
That's anybody can do that.
Nobody's gonna bother you.
Um in another pros, there's nofixed location.

unknown (27:31):
Right?

SPEAKER_03 (27:31):
You don't you're not tied down to an area.
You know, if you want to go fromhere from Alabama to Tennessee
tomorrow, you can, right?
Uh there's nothing holding youback.
Um then we get into the cons.
The biggest con is you can'tpull security for 24 hours a day
by yourself.
It's impossible.
You gotta sleep.
Um, in fact, I've got at myplace here, I've got the the

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guys in that I've in my group,they know because they all have
suburban houses.
Um, I told them if somethinghappens and something goes down,
get all your food, all yourfirearms, and all your family
and come here.
Right, and we will set up.
Um, you know, because I can'thold this place by myself.
Uh and they can't hold theirhouses by themselves.
And and especially being in a ina suburban house, it's really

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hard to pull security whenyou've got 400 other people
within half a mile of you.

SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (28:24):
Um as well as some of the cons of being by
yourself.
If you can't do it, get it, orcreate it, you don't have it.
Right.
Um, and then you get into thereally ethically gray area of
what's stealing, you know,what's self-defense.
Is it self-defense if I'mstealing food?
You know, and they're they'retrying to kill me.

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Um things like that.
And then um you're unable toshare load responsibilities,
right?
You can't, if you get too tiredto carry a carry something, you
just can't give it to somebodyelse for them to carry for a
while.
Um you know, if you uh need todig a latrine to uh to use the

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facilities in, you can't havesomebody else pull security for
you while you do it, right?
You you have to do everything onyour own.
Um and then the last one isloneliness will drive you
insane.
Being by yourself and on yourown, one makes you super
skeptical, skeptical, super uhwary of other people, but it
also makes you lonely and youwill go insane.

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Um, as you see, if you ever readuh any of these stories of these
guys who are in solitaryconfinement for a year at a
time, um, after about eightweeks, they're losing their mind
um with no contact with anybodyelse.
Because some of these maximumsecurity prisons, the guard's
not even allowed to talk to youwhen he takes you out for your
one hour a day exercise time.
And that just that drives themeven more saying that there's

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somebody there that they thatthey can't even talk to.
Um, so those are the pros andthe cons.
Did y'all have anything to addto that?

SPEAKER_05 (30:00):
Yeah, um just kind of reinforcing a couple of
points, you know, you have firewatches, you have deterrence,
you know, a group will bebetter.
Well, a group will less likelybe engaged with than a single
person, right?
If you are on if you are byyourself, you are what they

(30:21):
effectively call a loot drop.
Uh, because whatever you havewill eventually you will run
into a great example, if you'veever seen is the book Eli, where
you have those guys coming out,they're just traveling out in
packs, you're and they overwhelmyou.
So you want to make sure youhave that.
Um you can even break it down tothings like specialized roles,
where if you can find enoughpeople who have specialized

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roles, you can find people thatwill do certain things.
Maybe you can bring in somebodywith medical an EMT or medical
training, things like that.
So you you know, everybodyshould know how to do at least
basic first aid, but if you canfind somebody that has a little
bit more specialization, thatsomebody who knows how to grow
food a little bit better thaneverybody else, those things are
really great.
Uh, also for defense weaponry,like I said, I'm trying to keep

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the trying to keep it friendlyon the channel.
So there are um reasons why youwould carry similar types.
There's a reason why, you know,if your group, if you're gonna
get a group together, it doesn'tmatter if you're all rocking
M9s, G19s, or 320s.
Everybody has that same don'tcarry the 320s, guys.

(31:27):
I was just trying to be nicebecause I know there are some
same people I don't carry 320.
3020 carries you.
Well, if if you if you have the320, you can just it's like a
grenade, you can kind of justtoss it and run.
But um, the the fact I'm prettysure IEDs are illegal, but 320s
are not.
So the idea is um everybody hadthe same capacity, everybody has
the same ammo, everybody has thesame mag, which everybody

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uniformity um can be good.

SPEAKER_03 (31:52):
Um diversity can be good too, right?
I would prefer uniformity.
I'd rather us all have a a 320than one of us have a 320 and
always scared of that one guyshooting us, right?
So everybody we know everybody'sgonna get it at this is like the
old point, the old firingsquads, like they would they
would line up seven guys, andonly one of them would actually

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have a bullet, and none of themwould know that there's a
there's a bullet in the chamber.
Yeah, yeah, nobody knew whichone actually shot them.
It's like 320.
Lightning might three twenty.
Who shot me?

SPEAKER_01 (32:22):
Lightning might strike one meme it's not gonna
strike four times.

SPEAKER_05 (32:27):
Yeah, so exactly.
So you have that all the way upto you know, carbines, same same
things that way, and partsbreak, maybe interchange, things
like that, and and so forth.
So uniformity, like that.
I I'm a huge believer.
I call it the rules ofredundancy.
You know, everybody has the samething, it'll help out, and

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that's less stuff to carry inthat regard.
Um food rationing, you coveredthat already.
Resource pooling, you cover thatalready, shared skills,
knowledge, um, sustainability,flexibility, uh, all that thing.
No, no, it's not.
No, there's no DEI in thissituation.

SPEAKER_03 (33:06):
That is it isn't, it isn't it is your strength,
Bobby.
It is your strength.

SPEAKER_05 (33:12):
Uh, but I don't it doesn't matter if you guys can
agree, it doesn't matter whatthe what it is, as long as y'all
carry the same one, in myopinion.
I agree.
So, I mean, that's pretty muchall those kinds of things that
you'd want to do, even like whenyou said division of labor, even
emotional moral support, likeyou were given that as well,
because that's it's gonna be theultimate, nobody's gonna know

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what they're doing.
We've all all we're doing rightnow is theoretically talking
about situations 99.9% of thepopulation has never been
through.
So for them, it's gonna be ahuge shock to the system, and
you know, the if you you'regonna especially as Catholics,
if you can if you can make it asolidly Catholic group, that'll
also share that burden out.

(33:54):
So those are all really goodpoints to to make.
It's really the the crux of allof it, ensuring that you know it
the having more than one becausethe lone wolf was very popular,
populated by movies and all thatkind of things.
But uh you're just gonna be aloot drop in that regard.
So, not a great idea, not agreat idea at all.
I think really the idea of thelone wolf came from the I from

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the fact that there were so manypeople that were spread out
because we're a transient union,people move all over the place.
They're like, Well, what happensif I have to bug out of you know
DFW or I have to bug out ofAustin?
And I'm the only one that cantake care of my family.
Well, then in that case, if youhave a buddy three states over,
you may have to to do that.
That's not optimal, but youknow, it's not an optimal

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situation in the first place.
So you're gonna have to work allthese things out beforehand, and
really that's the big thing.
Um, we talk about on thecouncil, and and it sounds like
you guys talk about here isactually working through the
scenarios and actually having anactual plan because a lot of
people's plans, I know AdrianRob, you've heard it.
I got my gun.

(34:58):
Awesome.
Okay, what's the next one?
And then what?
And what about a first aid?
What about food?
Water purification, what aboutany of that?
We talking about you know what?
You just go that way, and uhI'll let you get it.

SPEAKER_03 (35:14):
As we talked about on the medical show last time,
you're much more likely to usemedical than you will ever use
your firearm, like coming up ona car accident or a dog bite or
something, right?
Um, so just having understandingof yes, what is the MDCOA, the
most dangerous course of action?
What is the most likely courseof action?
MLCOA, right?
Most likely is you're gonna useit medical for a car accident.

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Most dangerous is you're gonnaget in a shootout with somebody
as you're coming out of theItalian restaurant, right?
Whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
But uh why why the racism?
Why the Italian?

SPEAKER_03 (35:47):
I'm sorry, I I I was under the understanding that
Italians are safe to be racistagainst.
Correct.

SPEAKER_05 (35:54):
Okay, being half being half iron, uh being half
Italian, I don't really care.

SPEAKER_03 (35:58):
So well, we'll give it a lot of the Italians are
Africans, um Africans, so it'sstill acceptable.
We're making fun of the whitepart, is what we're doing.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_04 (36:09):
Whatever.

unknown (36:09):
We're good.

SPEAKER_04 (36:10):
We're good.

SPEAKER_05 (36:11):
All right, so the next everybody's warping after
the Roman Empire, so that'sokay.

SPEAKER_03 (36:16):
So uh before you ever think about uh a group and
getting a group together orstarting to organize a group,
uh, you got to get your familyon board, yeah, first of all.
Right?
If your wife's not on board withwhy you're bringing in 55-gallon
drums to start pumping a bunchof water into them and taking up
half the space in the garage, orwhile you're putting crates of

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ammo underneath the bed, like ifshe's not on board with this
stuff, right, you're gonna havea hard day.
Right.
And the opposite, too.
If you're the wife, you know,and your husband's not on board
yet, um hopefully you can gethim on board and get him to
realize that he needs to be theman and take the lead on this
stuff.
Um, but um, that's a situationwhere you've got to you've got

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to give them reasons to get onboard, right?
And sometimes that's you know,hey, down in Texas, when they
had the sleet storm come throughand destroyed all the the power
panels and nobody had power, uh,and they're in a freeze warning,
people are freezing to death inTexas, yeah, right?
Which was with the rest of thecountry, are like Texas is a
desert.
Why are people freezing?
Not realizing, like, hey, Texasis you know pretty temperate,

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it's northern part of the northof yellow.
Yeah, right.
Same thing with like Alabama,like everybody thinks we're all
racist in Alabama, and we are,don't come here.
Um, but uh everybody has theseunderstanding stereotypes, but
things like that, showingexamples of why we would need
like we need this water becausewhat if the power goes out?
What about last week when theywere doing work some work on the

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on the water lines and we didn'thave water for 10 hours?
No one could take a shower.
Like, would have been nice tohave some extra water, right?
Or uh we had the tornado comethrough and you know it knock
some trees down the road and wecouldn't get in the store for a
couple of days.
Yeah, it would have been nice tohave some extra food, you know.
We do things like that wouldhelp get people get your family
on board.

SPEAKER_05 (38:01):
We do have a couple examples that really have been
prominent.
Katrina's the easiest one toshow people why all the stuff
works to be on board with it ifyou're sucking that.
Because people think aboutwater, it's like, no, that flood
water has got everything in theworld in it.
So the water you thought wasokay, it's got gas, it's got
oil, it's got body parts, it'sgot all these kinds of things in
there.
So that water is no good.

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The food-wise, most people haveseven days worth of food, and
then they, if they're lucky,outside of that, your grocery
store has about maybe two weeks'worth of food, those things will
be cleaned out, and the lastthing you want to do is be in
the place where everybody elseis being is at the same time.
The goal of this is so you couldtechnically bung bug in for that

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initial phase through that, andthen you had Helene, another one
up in North Carolina, where itwas just devastated.
And people have to realize evenFEMA, which is a dirty word, I
get it.
But even FEMA tells you that youhave to have three days worth of
supplies, they advise you thatbecause when you look at the way
the federal emergency works,local, state, federal, and then

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they'll always request thatfirst before they'll do these.
Oh, we've we've uh issued adeclaration, a disaster
declaration.
That's great.
FEMA's still gonna take about aweek to waddle in and start
writing papers, and then it'sgot to go back.
And so the first thing that thegovernment is going to do as an
organism is get the governmentback up and running.

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Yeah, oh FEMA's here, andthey're like, Yeah, I ain't
dealing with you right nowbecause I gotta get the the
government, the city, the town,whatever, back up and running,
and then when that's running,we'll figure out what to do with
you guys.
And people just you see it allthe time.
If you look at any of thewhere's the government, where's
the government?
Where's my tax money going?
Blah blah blah.

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Because it's really not up toit's they don't really care.

SPEAKER_03 (39:53):
Well, and with Halloween, most of the help
there was from local nonprofits.
What y'all need to realize aswell is FEMA has the authority
to seize things from you to giveout to people who may need it
more, so you may have gatheredeverything you needed for your
family to get by, and FEMA findsout they can come take it from

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you and give it out to otherpeople, right?
So you don't want the governmentinvolved in most cases, um,
especially if you're properlyprepared.
But on top of that, like uh, youknow with P and W Gorilla, he
took like$50,000 worth ofmilitary surplus, which is like
a million dollars worth ofsurplus, and took it down, took
it to North Carolina, and wasbecause people still there still

(40:36):
don't have houses, right?
They still don't have anywhereto live, they don't have grocery
stores to go to.
Some places you still can't getto by road because the roads are
still gone.
Right.
And this has been over a year atthis point.
So uh the government is not thesolution.
You need to be able to do thisstuff on your own.
Um, and if the government showsup, you need to be very wary of

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them.
Yeah, don't tell them anything.
Tell them nothing, tell themnothing.
All right, so let me refer to mynotes.
Um all right, so somedeterminations about when you
first uh building a group, likewhat are some considerations you
may have?

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And I'm bringing these upgenerically, right?
These are not mine or may not bemine, these may not be anybody
else's, but these are somethings to think about, right?
So specifically, like um, do youwant them to all be Catholic?
There's a there is a benefit tothat, right?
You're all mostly on the samepage when it comes to the faith.
Yeah, now some of them may bevery left cath, right?

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And you may have to deal withsome issues there.
I'd rather have a Protestantthan a left Cath, but um, you
know, that that's a situationwhere you may need to consider
it.
Now, I may not have that luxurydown here in Alabama, I'm
surrounded by Baptistseverywhere, right?
So I it may be a little bit moredifficult for me to have that
capability of having everybodyon the same page when it comes
to the faith.
But I've got a lot of myneighbors around me who are

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Protestant, but they are verydevout Protestants, and they are
they are very good people.
Um, in fact, when we've hadissues here, they've helped us
out.
In fact, my cows got out onetime.
We were at a uh festival, mycows got out, we're walking down
the highway, and one of myneighbors went and got them and
brought them in the pasture forus till we got home, right?

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Um whereas you know, I've beenin neighborhoods where I
couldn't even get somebody tohelp me put my cans away, my
trash cans away, uh while I wason vacation, and I got ticketed
by the HOA, right?
Um, so uh, and those thosepeople were Catholic as well, so
that that didn't help at allthere.
Um, some other things you knowyou may want to look for is do

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they have complimentary skillsto you, or do they have skills
that you don't have?
Right?
Can they butcher a pig?
Can they get uh power up andrunning your house?
Are they an electrician?
Are they a welder?
Um, are they a plumber?
Do they know how to farm?
Do they know how to usecommunications equipment?
Can they do fabrications?
Are they do they have a boat andyou live near a lake?

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Right?
Some of these things uh areconsiderations as well.
And then another beingproximity, like how close these
people are to you, right?
Where I live, I am the way, Imean there are some other
Catholics out here, but thepeople in my parish, I'm 45
minutes away from my parish.
And then we're all they're allspread to the winds anyway.

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Right.
So I'm not very close to any ofthem.
I'm probably 20 minutes from oneand then 45 minutes from
everybody else.
Right.
So proximity is not a luxurythat I have.
Um, loyalty is another thingthey have to think about.
Um, how loyal are they to you?
How loyal are you to them?
Um, because if you can't trustthem with your kids, I would not

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suggest building a group withthem.
Um, and then logistics.
Do they do you have things otherpeople need?
Do other people have things thatyou need?
Can y'all share?
Uh, these are someconsiderations for the type of
people you start to look at tobuild your group, right?
Um, and so did y'all have anyother things I may have missed

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that y'all had in mind?

SPEAKER_01 (44:09):
Well, I mean, you you kind of touched on most of
them.
So, like some of the questions Iwould have, especially being
just really new to all this, islike one, ideally, how many, you
know, people?
Um, two, you brought upproximity, like how close should
they be, you know, how how closeis useful basically, or how far

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away, you know, at what pointdoes it become not useful?
Their distance to you, thingslike that.
Um, three, how do you how do youall communicate?
You know, how do you all plan?
Um, do you have a set meetingplace when something happens?
Um and then like how liketraining together, whether it's

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it's firearm training, whetherit's medical training, um or
even just like you said, sharingum specialized skills with with
the others in the group, stufflike that.
So those are I guess those arethe questions that that I've
kind of rolling around in myhead right now.

SPEAKER_04 (45:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (45:12):
Well, what you got, Rick?
Uh so for just a couple of thosethings, we have to be careful
being um, for lack of a betterterm, on the right, because if
you're gonna do training withfirearms, you get noticed the
best way a workaround for thatis to try and find like a
competitive shooting group.

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Like a uh uh, you know, the thethere's some professional ones
out there, and you all can jointhat.
So you're like, I'm justcompetitive shooting, and then
you guys can all build yourskills up together that way.
Uh for basic first aid, you canall go to the Red Cross and do
online courses there.
It's not great, but at leastit's an introduction to the
basic things of recognizingshock, what to do with bleeds

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and things like that.
So everybody has a baselineknowledge of that, and then of
course you can all take othercourses together or even
separate.
Um, a bunch of different placeswill do that.
Now, as far as the number, umI'll throw this one out there
and then I'll let I'll letAdrian either correct me or
agree with me on that one.
Uh you don't want many, but it'salso depending, is it gonna be

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families?
Now, if it's gonna be like 10single dudes, right?
10 10 just guys who are youngand that then yeah, they can all
take turns on watches and allthese other kinds of things.
Because you know, I'll be themassagist of the group.
Your your females aren't gonnabe great help for things like
security and stuff like that.
They'll do other roles andthey'll be great at them, yeah.

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But that's also how many rolesdo you want, how many roles you
have to disperse in that regard.
Now, redundancy is great, sothere's really no fixed number,
Rob.
I would probably say as many asyou could get, maybe 30 is a max
number of people, because thenyou probably have like you have
husbands, you'd have sons, oldersons, things like that.

(47:02):
Um, but that's also gonna countas both of you were saying,
who's in your area?
You may not be able to get thatmany, you may get 10, and that's
that's it.
But um, I don't know what do youthink is a good cap number,
Adrian?

SPEAKER_03 (47:15):
So I'm always gonna to uh defer to my organizational
skills in the Marines, right?
So we we have fire teams, whichis four, right?
Then a squad is made up as threefire teams, and then a platoon
is made up of three squads,right?
It's just rules of three, andthen a company's made up of
three platoons, right?
Um, I think starting out findingone good guy first, it should be

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the goal.
Just find one.
Find one other guy with a familyor one other guy who may be by
himself.
Um, be wary of anybody bythemselves, even if when
especially when they're younger.
Yeah, um, because hey, the onethey haven't quite matured
enough yet.
Um, and especially if they don'thave any ties to your area, um,
you know, they they could be auh a really uh loose cannon that

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you you may not be able toaccount for, but finding one guy
first, but then growing it tofour and then staying there for
a little bit, and then as y'alltrain together, whatever it is,
you're getting together, and youknow, y'all are coming to your
house one weekend to help, youknow, process chickens, and then
next weekend you're going tohelp another guy put up some
ceiling fans or whatever, right?
As people see that and that howclose-knit y'all are and they

(48:24):
find out what y'all are doing,they'll want to join in on it,
right?
And then you can start beingselective and you can start kind
of like vetting people, like howserious are they about this.
Um, because the last thing youwant to do is bring somebody in
and they know everything youhave at your house and what
who's in your house, and thenyour your friend's house and
what's in their house and howtheir house is laid out, and
then they get rolled up forwhatever reason by the police or

(48:47):
antifa or whoever, right?
And now they know everythingabout you, and they could tell
them about you, right?
So you have to be able to dothat.

SPEAKER_01 (48:54):
Or they're just an opportunist themselves.

SPEAKER_03 (48:56):
Yeah, you know, they're the I don't need to prep
because I'll just shoot you andtake all your stuff, right?

SPEAKER_05 (49:00):
Yeah, yeah.
That guy's that guy's always theone you want to stay away from.
That guy's always the first oneyou want to stay away from.

SPEAKER_03 (49:06):
So, as far as numbers, I mean it, I wouldn't
say there's a cap, you just haveto trust everybody enough.
Like I said, the the biggestthing is if you can trust them
with your kids, you can probablytrust them.
So you gotta get to that pointwhere you can trust them with
your kids.

SPEAKER_05 (49:22):
So just to go back and forth on that, yeah, there
is no, I agree with you 100%,there is no cap, but also
there's a certain point whereyou're not gonna know everybody
within the group as much asyou'd want to if you expand out
too far.
So maybe it was a good idea of Ithink really just listening to
both of you, it it really isjust find the guys and the

(49:44):
families you can trust and kindof just stick with that and and
go from there.
Um, as you said, especiallyespecially factor in desperation
because we'll who seems like asolid group or a solid family or
a solid whoever when you whenit's good, when you can all go
to Whataburger after or whateverand hang out, it's gonna be a

(50:06):
lot different when there's threecans of beans left.
Yeah, you the people you know incomfortable times will not be
the same people under stress.
So that's even like that vettingprocess you talked about.
You could vet them to the cowscome home, but you're also gonna
have to pay attention to thefact that you know, I know this

(50:28):
guy's really good, but unlessuntil we're all stress tested
together, you can't really fakeyou can't stim people try to
simulate.
I know the Marines and and themilitary stress test really
well, but civilians can't, wedon't have an opportunity to
really stress test that kind ofstuff.

SPEAKER_03 (50:44):
So well, and it's it's it's also the same line of
thinking with the faith, right?
Because you'll hear all theseyoung guys like, you know, I
would die for my faith.
If there was somebody here, I'ddie for my brother.
You can't get up before 10 a.m.
in the morning, you're not dyingfor the faith.
Like you don't have enoughdiscipline to not eat that three
quarts of ice cream at night,you're not dying for the faith,

(51:05):
brother.
You still watch anime cartoons,you're not dying for the faith,
right?
You have a malformed conscience,right?
And it's just not gonna happen.
And I'll probably piss somepeople off in chat, but um, but
uh like you have to understandlike if you don't have the
discipline enough to depriveyourself of sleep, right?

(51:26):
You're not dying for anything,right?
So as soon as someone offersyou, hey, I'm gonna make sure
you have eight hours, nine hoursof sleep every night in this
comfy bed and a meal every day,or two meals every day, or three
meals every day, like you'regonna give up everything for
that person because you can'tdeprive yourself of everything.
You have to get used to now,now, and especially now, getting
used to fasting, deprivingyourself of things.

(51:48):
Put your phone the hardest thingis putting my phone down for me.
Like it is it because I have auh, you know, I'm FOMO, right?
I I I feel like I'm being leftout, or I feel like I'm I'm not
on the edge of all theinformation coming in if I don't
have access to my phone.
It's not that I want to saysomething first, it's that I
want to know something as soonas it happens, right?
And that's a that's the natureof a job I did in the Marines,

(52:10):
like it's it's hard to get pastthat, but it is also a crutch
for me, right?
And that's something I have todeal with.
But um, you know, I've never hadan issue depriving myself of
sleep or food or anything else.
But if I don't have that phoneand I can't reach for it in my
pocket, right, to find outwhat's going on, you know,

(52:31):
sometimes I feel a little itchy,like you got any more of that
cell phone, man?
You know, uh and so I've got myown issues.
Um, you know, but we all have torealize where we're at.
Um, and if you have a guy whohas who's be who may be spot on
with tactics, maybe the bestshooter you know, but he's got a
drinking problem, you're gonnahave issues, right?

(52:51):
You can't depend on a guy likethat who can't get control of
his vices um that alter hiscapability of rational thinking,
um, then you can't depend on aguy like that.
I don't care how good of ashooter he is, until he gets
that under control, he's notreliable.
Right?
But all right, that's enough forme.
What what do you got, Rob?

SPEAKER_01 (53:13):
Uh you know, I so for me, like the the I guess the
difficulty I would I would runinto doing this is is um I guess
just how isolated I am kind offrom from community, right?
Uh for instance the parish we goto is a four-hour round trip

(53:36):
drive away, and those peopletend to have their own drives
from the opposite direction,even so you know that's it's
hard to pull from that as apotential pool.
Um you know, and I don't knowmany good Catholics near me
physically, so that makes thathard.
So, like and I'm not saying youhave a solution or expect you to

(54:00):
have a solution, but I just doyou know, how do how do you how
do you go about finding someone,you know, to to trust um when
you're separate, you know,separated like so many of us are
from extended family, from uhlike a good parish life, um,
from uh a nearby community thatwe can trust.

(54:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (54:24):
I think for some people, the only option is to
move.
Right?
You can't be on an island byyourself.
You know, that's just not anoption.
Um but for some people it's amatter of um swallowing some
pride and talking to people thatthey may have um had been on the
house with, right?
And amending some of thosebridges.

(54:46):
Um but finding people, um, andwe'll go ahead and get into
this.
Like, where do we find peoplethat are on the same level of
thinking as we are, right?

SPEAKER_01 (54:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (54:57):
Because like, how do I how do I even bring up the
subject with someone withoutseemingly so what you have to do
is you have to look for topicsand things that are tertiary to
what you're trying to get to,right?
So, like Rick was talking aboutearlier, like competitions like
you at uh USPSA, IDPA, uh any ofthese shooting competitions, get
involved in one, right?

(55:17):
Um, and then you'll start tomeet other people that are into
shooting as well.
And they most time when peopleare into shooting, they're into
other things that you arelooking for, right?
Now, another reason to do thatis a lot of Antifa are going to
these shooting competitions now,so you can get a grasp on how
good they are.
Yeah, and some of them arereally good.
Um that you're able to keep aneye on what the the potential

(55:42):
enemy might have, right?
That's one thing.
Um, anybody who has Catholicland movement near you, right?
Get involved there.
Even if you don't, even if youlive in the suburbs, still get
involved because you can dothings in the suburbs that you
know they help out with.
You can raise bees in thesuburbs, right?
Umurbs, you can't even dochickens now.
Some you can, right?
Um, some people are great.

(56:04):
Like I had an hoa that was nochickens, and I thought about
sneaking them anyway.
I didn't do it, and I'm glad Ididn't, because now that I have
chickens, there's no way I wouldhave been able to sneak them.
They're way too loud.
Um, my my neighbors areliterally right on top of me.
Um, but you know, Catholic landmovement is a bunch of people
who are gonna be on the samepage as you with a lot, right?
They're gonna be 90% inagreement with you on just about

(56:26):
everything.
Um, right?
Uh, some other things, ham radioclubs, right?
You gotta watch out for some ofthe FUDs at the ham radio clubs,
right?
Um they show up with a Kimber,then you know you need to stay
away from them.
Yeah, but uh, but they're in,you know, the rate, at least you
can get information from themand learn knowledge on how to do
set up communications.

(56:47):
Um, you know, 4-H clubs.

SPEAKER_01 (56:50):
Yeah, right, yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 (56:52):
Have those around you, those are gonna be a lot of
people that are on the samepage.
Um if you have a your localextension office, we usually
have meetings to teach topicsand stuff.
Go to those and you'll learnother people are trying to learn
the same things as you.
Um some other things.

SPEAKER_01 (57:08):
Uh you know, around around me, we have a lot of um,
not a lot, but uh a fair numberof uh homesteaders or you know,
little family farms.
So I imagine they're of asimilar mindset.
That's probably why they have ahomestead.
Um, you know, there's a lot of alot of uh people uh around here
that hunt, you know.

(57:28):
So I know some of my buddiesfrom work that that hunt, like
you said, then they're intofirearms, at least in some
capacity.
They're uh, you know, they theyhave some knowledge about
nature, things like that.

SPEAKER_03 (57:39):
So yeah.
Um you can take shooting coursesbecause anybody's go to who's
taking the time to go to ashooting course probably wants
to know a thing or two aboutguns, right?
Um, medical courses, any type ofTCCC, T E C C March, whatever
you, you know, whatever, youknow, uh stop the bleed course
are usually gonna be people whoare who are on board, or at

(58:01):
least they may bring somebodywith them who is, right?
Um any type of shooting course,you know, anything.
It could be long-range shooting,it could be a hunting club, like
you said, you know, gettingaccess to a hunting club and
just using that to hunt, butalso getting the no gas as well.
Because most hunters are veryright-laning, right?

(58:23):
There's a most.

SPEAKER_01 (58:24):
There's a trap club that that I shoot in that I'm
sure, yeah.
I'm sure that there'd be somegood people in there too.

SPEAKER_05 (58:32):
Yeah, yeah.
So, real quick, if if I can justjump in with uh places you can
find these are all amazing andperfect places to start.
Uh FEMA does run somethingcalled the community emergency
response teams.
Yeah, um, and those are put onby fire departments, police
departments, emergencymanagement departments, uh, and
it's a federal program.
So, you know, they're available.

(58:53):
Mo all big cities will havethem, suburban areas will have
them as well, and they teachbecause their job supposedly is
to go out and assist emergencymanagement in scenarios, but
that'll be a place where youwill meet people from all over
your area who share at least thethe mindset of preparing and

(59:14):
being ready for an emergencyscenario.
Uh, and and those class they'refree.
Uh well, free out of stealingtype, you know what I'm saying.
But um, there's no additionalcost to you to do those things,
and you get that kind oftraining.
I was a member of the uh thecert team in Fort Worth.
Um, and they'll teach you how toclear uh disaster areas, they'll
teach you all the like if youhave no idea, if you've watched

(59:38):
documentaries from disasters andyou see all the markings on the
door, they'll teach you what themarkings on the door means, how
they secure these areas.
Um, they'll teach you first aid,they'll do all these things um
to help you because the idea ishey, we're not gonna be able out
there.
You in your neighborhood,they'll give you a bag and all
this stuff.
You're gonna be the help in thatarea.

(59:58):
So if you find people Fromdifferent areas, and you just
Google S E R T near me, um, andit'll find a group for you.
So that's a that's another way,and you don't have to be like,
hello, fellow prepper peoplethat are ready for the
apocalypse or any of these otherbecause they're there already.
So a cert team, if there was onenear you, is a valuable resource

(01:00:19):
that I would look up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:21):
And uh most Coneys have a volunteer search and
rescue team too.
Yeah, we can volunteer firedepartments, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:27):
Yeah, and there's uh private entities like Team
Rubicon you can get involvedwith as well.
Uh they do a lot of help.
Um, and then there was the uhone down in North Carolina, good
or Smeradin's group, I think,who helped out a lot with
Hurricane Helene, right?
Just getting involved with anyof these groups, and you'll get
to know other people who you aremore than likely on the same

(01:00:47):
level as you.
Uh, so there's a lot ofcapabilities to find people,
it's just a matter of you haveto get out of your shell and
talk to people, right?
Like I know your mom ate a lotof Tylenol when she was pregnant
with you, but it's okay, you canstill talk to people, right?
Get over that, right?
That's the biggest issue I havewith one of my children is she
is just scared to death to talk.

(01:01:08):
She's we got her a uh we got hera landline phone and she's
scared to call people becausesomeone else may answer other
than the person she's calling,right?
Like, well, you better get pastthis because this is gonna be
life.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:21):
They they don't get that, like back in the day, you
actually had to call the pizzadelivery place and actually give
them your address instead oflike doing it on your phone and
stuff.
And um, you know, it thecraziest thing is for Catholics,
even if everything was runningcorrectly, we should have a
built-in network across theunion, and I may get in trouble

(01:01:42):
for this, but you know, theKnights of the You know, the
Knights of Columbus should bethat organization that we should
all be able to access, butobviously that's not going to be
for you.
Most of us don't, you know, mostof us are Knights of Columbus
organizations or not somebodywho wanna access.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:58):
Here comes Adrian's lecture now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:00):
Yeah, so I know I I know, and I was even thinking,
I'm like, ah I shouldn't takeit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:06):
If you want a better council, got them, then take it
over and make it better.
They are dying almost literally,literally dying to for someone
else to take over.
You can make it whatever youwant.
I swear, that charter allows youto do just about anything,
right?
Especially if you're helping outother Catholics.
That's really all they careabout, and that that's my

(01:02:27):
biggest, you know.
We have we have uh uhgenerations of men from Gen X
down, right?
It's not just Zoomers, not justGen Alpha, who are afraid to get
involved and do something,right?
That's why the term you can justdo things has been so big
because they're like it's almostlike the internet has given them
permission to live their life.

(01:02:47):
Like I could just do things.
You mean I could just go to theDMV without taking my mom with
me?
Like, yeah, you could just dothings, right?
And so if if you want a betternight, and I'm not I'm not
yelling at you, Rick.
I'm just saying in general,because this is a been this is
the first day.
So it's okay.
This is a huge pet peeve for me.
You know, it's for me too, whichis why I've I've the institution

(01:03:09):
is mentioning it.
The institution is there, yeah,right, and it is it is being led
by very effeminate men, right?
In most cases, in most councils.
There are some councils outthere that are phenomenal.
If y'all don't know RobertMorgan on X, he has a council in
in St.
Louis, Louis, and they are aphenomenal council.
I know a number of men overthere.

(01:03:29):
Um, but there's a lot of goodcouncils out there.
We actually just had our firstSt.
Carlo Acutist council put out.
Not my favorite, right?
But whatever.
Um, but you can make it towhatever you want, you just have
to take it over and do it.
You only need four guys.
That's all you need to take overa council.
I don't care how big it is.
You need a grand knight, youneed a deputy grand knight,

(01:03:51):
financial secretary, and achancellor.
That is it.
And you get four guys in thosepositions, and y'all can do
whatever you want.
You can shape it however youwant.
And the more you do things, andthe more you get involved in the
in in activities that theknights and compass aren't known
for, the more young men you'llthat will draw in to want to do
it with you, right?
Like, I started at ours, Istarted a skeet shooting

(01:04:13):
competition uh once a year toraise money, and like we got
more guys joining just for thatcompetition than anything.
Because you're like, You mean Ican be a knight and shoot guns?
Yeah, man.
Like, what do you think themodern broadsword is?
It's an AR rifle.
Like, where are we?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:29):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:29):
I mean, I've I've had the your screw, what
everything you said is the exactsame thing.
I've had problems with many,which I'm only a first degree
knight for that reason.
I went to like three meetings,I'm like, I'm not doing this
anymore because I was just thisis just not worth it for me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:45):
But in my in my opinion, the Knights of
Columbus, and again, this isjust my opinion, so take it for
what it's worth.
My opinion, the Knights ofColumbus primary responsibility
should be the financialresponsibility, right?
Helping take care of widows andorphans.
That's what they were foundedfor.
That's why bless them again, hefounded them, right?
Secondly, it should be tocatechize and protect the the

(01:05:07):
faithful of the church.
That should be the secondaryaspect, right?
Once you take care of themfinancially, to catechize and
protect the faithful of thechurch.
Um, especially as we're gettingto the point now where the
priest can't do it because he'sgot 4,000 families in his mega
church because six otherchurches have closed and they've
combined into one church, andthat priest has to serve 6,000
families now, right?

(01:05:28):
Um, when that gets to the pointthat you know the men should be
the ones catechizing becausethat's the only way you're gonna
get younger men to take itseriously.
Agreed, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:38):
Yeah, it's and that's that's the thing that
frustrates me on soapbox.
Well, that's the thing thatfrustrates me, it's because it's
there, it's it's there, and itcould be an answer, it could be
a solution to many problems.
It's just I think a lot of youknow what everything you said is
100%, but uh, they go in withthe set, I'm gonna change it,
and then they go to the firstmeeting and they go, All right,
let's talk about cleaning thehighway.
All right, we're done, let's eatpizza and beer.

(01:06:00):
And it's like, oh, that's whatthat's what we're doing here,
and you know, it gets lost onthat.
So yeah, everything you said iscorrect.
I've had similar things thatwhen I see there's an attack at
a church, and I'm like, Whereare the knights on this one?
And then I get barraged by thenights are doing such a good
job, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:16):
I'm like, Well, not at this place, so it's uh you
know, and but then then thereare instances like when we had
the issue here in Alabama at thecathedral, um, the BLM riots
were starting to come down, andso you know, I was getting a
hold of the priest, I was like,Hey, be ready, I'll come snatch
you up real quick, right?
And then we and then we had someother knights who are like, Hey,
we'll stay overnight at the atthe cathedral just to keep

(01:06:38):
watch, uh, just kind of scaressome people away if we have to,
uh, but at least put the fireout as soon as it starts, right?
If we have to.
Um, you know, that's what theknights were doing at my, and
we've got a bunch of old men,like a bunch of old men.
Like, I'm the youngest guynormally by 20 years, right?
Um, but I've I've brought inpersonally probably 30 guys over
the last six years that are 20years younger than me, right?

(01:07:01):
And so it's just a matter youhave to you have to create the
change that you want to have atyour council, right?
So and the Knights of Columbushas the institutional power
already established, you don'thave to start from scratch on
anything, like the uh was someof these other groups they're
trying to start, like uh theporters of St.
Joseph.

(01:07:22):
That's great, but those shouldbe knights because the the
knights should already beinvolved with that, right?
Um, and you're having to startfrom the ground up on
everything.
Why?
When you can just take over aninstitution that's already
established.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:35):
Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much singing from the
same hymnal on that one.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:41):
Yeah, I'll beat y'all to death in Lights of
Columbus.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:45):
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to bring up the uh
sore spot.
I just feel like when we'retalking about groups, especially
when Rob's like, well, who youknow, where do we find these
people?
Theoretically, it should be atthe local, you know, at the
parish.
You know, that that's why theparish should be the center of
life, and that includeseverything, it should be all of
that.
And you know, it's a great pointyou bring.

(01:08:06):
You know, if you're you'rereally upset with it and you
really want to see it, well,then get in there and figure it
out, you know, actually be a manand be uncomfortable watching
the boomers do what they gottado for a little bit while while
you get things in place.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:21):
Yep, we do have an interesting question here for
the three of us.
So, for each of us, who are thetop three gun tubers, dead or
alive, you would want on yourteam in uh in a end of the world
sort of scenario.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:40):
Well, dead, there's only one that I would pick, but
yeah, I know.
Yeah, I think I think we allknow who the the dead refers to
one specific Paul Harrel.
That's right.
I think we all take Pompaul onthat one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:53):
Yeah.
Um he's not really uh a guntuber, but Dave Canterbury.
I don't know if y'all have seenany of his stuff, but he's like
a a bushcraft survivalist kindof guy.
Okay, and he he's never beeninvited on the loan because they
know he would win, yeah, likewithout a doubt.
Because he does that for fun,right?

(01:09:14):
So somebody like that would begreat because he can do
everything, he can do trappingand whatever.
Um, but as far as like if Iwanted somebody that I can know
that's gonna be that's been inthe crap and can shoot, uh, and
some of y'all may not uhrecognize this, but Sean Ryan,
yeah, would probably be mynumber one because he's been on
both sides of the issue.

(01:09:36):
Like he was a criminal for along time and he's had a
conversion since then.
Um, but he knows his stuff uhwhen it comes to a gunfight.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:46):
Ian Ian would at least keep you entertained about
any gun you'd ever want to knowabout during the end of the
world.
I don't know how useful it wouldbe, but it would you'd have
something to listen to.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:58):
No.
I think my second pick, uh, I'dprobably take Warrior Poet.
I think Warrior Poet would be apretty and I don't think I could
put up with the preaching.
I don't mind.
I don't mind.
He can go preach while whilehe's on patrol.
I don't give him nothing.
I don't care about that.
That's that's fine.
And there are, I mean, yougotta, but that goes back to
that question of you know, if ifyou're gonna, you know, what

(01:10:20):
things are you prepared to dealwith?
You can bring in a skill setthat'll be, you know, the guy
has a he's a he's a he has hishomestead, he has all these
other kinds of things.
He he's been in the stuff, heknows how to shoot some.
I'm good on that one.
I know, I know it's not apopular one, but I would I would
take that one, uh, yeah,especially with his comments
about Mama Mary, but you know,you you gotta do what you gotta
do in that regard.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:40):
Do you you want to listen to dispensationalism at
the end of the world though,man?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:43):
Whatever.
You can you know what go over toyour chickens and talk to the
talk about dispensationalism.
That's you know what, dude?
I could just I could just sitthere and you know, I I have an
amazing ability to just zone outwhen people talk about stuff I
don't care about.
So yeah, I I know it's not apopular pick, but I'll probably
take him.

(01:11:04):
I get it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:05):
I mean, tactically, he's good.
I just I would probably be thefirst person to shoot him
because I can't deal with thedispensation level.
Yeah, some similarity is notreally green on green crumb
there, yeah.
Henry Channis gun.
I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:24):
I mean, um, Lucas Bodkin, because you need someone
to wear all the skinny jeans atthe end of the world.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:29):
I was about to say, everybody's gonna give nonsense
about warrior pope, but youthink Lucas can't carry
anything.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:36):
You ain't gonna tag him very much, he'll fall right
over.
You ain't gotta feed him at all,pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:41):
Uh oh, does um does uh well the guy put in the
thumbnail roof rooftop Koreancount?

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:49):
Would he count?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:50):
Of course he can't do as a gun tuber.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:53):
Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:54):
I mean, like he's he's a lot more uh hand-to-hand
fighting lately.
Is he have you seen him out inCalifornia fighting the Antifa
guys?
Uh-uh.
Did you see the video?
He a video came out like a monthago.
There's an Antifa uh protest,and they started getting a fight
with some of the right-wing guysover there, and you just see him
come up with like I don't knowwhat he had in his hand, but he
laid this Antifa guy out.

(01:12:16):
And all you said, all you sawwas a glimpse real quick of his
face of the camera and it turnedaway.
But he is such a recognizableface.
Like now, I don't know manyKoreans, but I know that one.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:27):
Yeah, I'd be fine.
I'd be you know, he wouldobviously be somebody that you
would you would take, but ifwe're you know, we're staying
within the gun tube sphere, youknow, if uh it's taking to the
question.
I'd uh the third one willprobably be either uh probably
Mr.
Gunsing gear, probably be mythird.
If we're gonna do just like thestrictly the gun tuber space,

(01:12:47):
but I mean he'd have every gunyou need, exactly.
Yeah, knows how to and uh fromwhat I know, I think he wouldn't
he'd know how to at leastmaintenance a mile, you know,
perform maintenance and work onhim.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:58):
So I'd uh I'd maybe take um honest outlaw just
because he's from Iowa andthat's pretty pretty similar to
Minnesota.
So I feel like he'd be able to,yeah, I'd get along with him.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:10):
Yeah, he was gonna be my backup choice.
I wouldn't he was probably Iwould he I was settling between
him and uh Mr.
Gunsinger, but you know, Mr.
Gunsinger is pretty both ofthose guys are solid, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:19):
Well, Rob only likes it because he calls it a he
calls it a hot dish, not acasserole.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:24):
Well, you right, okay.
Now we're not naming the foodcorrectly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:29):
Like you need to have the same values, right?
If they're gonna be on yourteam, same moral values.
He can't call it a casserole.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:40):
Now I feel like we're splitting hairs in the
apocalypse.
Like we're splitting hairs inthe apocalypse.
We went from the beginning,like, hey, find a good group of
guys.
If you got to deal with them,you gotta deal with them too.
I'm shooting this SOB because hedoesn't say the food the way I
like it.
So I get escalated pretty prettyquickly in this regard.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:58):
One absolute that will get you kicked out of a
group.
If I see you wearing tidywhiteys, skinny jeans, you have
made some horrible decisions inyour life, and you are no longer
welcome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:11):
So, what you're saying is you will make them
strip before you accept them inyour group.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:16):
Look, eventually, you're gonna see somebody's
gonna take a shower orsomething.
Eventually, you're gonna see it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:20):
Typical Marine.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:21):
When I see those banana hammocks going on with
those tidy whiteys, you gottago.
Give them give them three MREsand put them outside the wire.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:29):
I think y'all need to be taking notes about
Adrian's Adrian's preppinggroup.
There's a lot of stuff.
There's a for a guy that's like,hey, if you're a man of good
moral conscience, you're good.
There's a lot of prerequisitesyou're gonna have to jump
through on this one.
Not that I have to worry aboutany of them, I'm just saying for
future for people futurereference, just uh look, I gotta
keep y'all on your toes.
You know, you never know what toexpect.

(01:14:51):
That or uh he's gonna give themwedgies when they first show up,
all right.
Even get the wedge test to seewhat you have there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:57):
We're gonna we're gonna do the gallon of milk
challenge, and if you can't makeit, you're not in the group.
No, I so I had him I had a youngMarine when I was in Okinawa who
was convinced he could do thegallon of milk challenge, right?
I was like, Man, I've got$100that you can't drink a gallon of

(01:15:20):
milk.
It's like I'll even let youdrink skim milk.
I you can't drink a gallon ofmilk and keep it down for an
hour.
He's like, Oh, I can do it.
By the way, this last this guy'slast name was Sergeant, right?
So he's gonna have a real hardtime when he ever actually made
it to Sergeant.
Sergeant, sergeant, uh,sergeant, sergeant, sergeant,
sergeant.
And uh, so anyway, so he startsdrinking it, he's chugging it,
right?
He gets like three-fourths of itdown in like three minutes, it's

(01:15:43):
it's gone.
I was like, Oh, and I was kindof like, oh no, it's uh this is
not looking good, and it but ittakes him 40 minutes to get the
rest of that gallon down inabout minute 50.
Because for those of y'all thatdon't know what the gallon of
coffee or a gallon of coffee,gallon of milk challenge is you
drink a gallon of milk and keepit down for an hour.
The reason you can't do it isbecause milk is has so much base

(01:16:05):
and your stomach has so muchstomach acid that it can't
balance out, so your body getsrid of it.
So it's it's physicallyimpossible to do.
Yep.
Um, and so at 50, man, hepainted that basketball court
with the whole gallon, it waseverywhere coming out of his
nose, and it was like it washorrible.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:23):
Um but it's kind of like kind of like in Charlotte.
I don't know if you were therethat that night, Rick.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:32):
When I go to bed, I was I went to bed early before
all y'all.
So I didn't I didn't keep upwith the antics that you guys
were.
All I know is when I walked into get to the buffet in the
morning, half of the guys thatyou went out with were strewn
across the buffet area like itwas the beaches of Normandy at
that point.
I'm sitting in there eatingwaffle.
One guy's just like, Don't youso loud, you know?

(01:16:55):
Oh we gotta be a mass in 30minutes, but I don't know what
you're doing, but I don't know,Rob.
I I know you guys were gettingsome stuff, and that's when I
checked out.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:04):
Well, let's just say uh Adrian and I saw a man uh
chase a grown man chase a bottleof bourbon with a half gallon of
chocolate milk.
And it ended exactly how youwould expect.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:21):
Exactly.
Yeah, no, I can I can onlyimagine.
Who did we end up throwing asthe on the grenade for that guy
to get them to help take care ofhim?
I don't remember who that was.
It was it uh um land warfare guyon Twitter.
Was it?
Oh, yeah, he's a pretty goodguy.
Some poor some poor schmutt gotthrown on that grenade and had

(01:17:43):
to take care of that guy and gethim back up to his room.
He's a good sporty body the nextday, though.
Man, he was he's a I party withhim again.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:53):
Who Tennessee or the guy who took care of him?
Well both of them, really.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:58):
Okay, fair.
I'm not taking care of him.
I think somebody else will dothat.
I've had my kids, I'm not doingthat anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:06):
Yeah, nope.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:11):
This is awesome, right?
So I I I'll tell you some thingsthat that worked for us.
I'm getting more young meninvolved.
One, um do a holy hour once aquarter, and then afterwards
have bourbon cigars socialafterwards, okay.
Guys will show up in droves justfor that, right?

(01:18:32):
Because a lot of men lack othermen that they can be men around,
yeah, right.
Um, so they'll they'll gravitatetowards that.
Um, another thing is getinvolved um in things around the
parish where people see you doit, and it's things that men are
normally known for, like fixingthings, right?
The parish needs things fixed,have the knights be the ones

(01:18:54):
that are doing it because othermen will see that, and and then
you offer hey, if anybody wantsto come help, you don't have to
be a knight, you can come help.
And I, if you don't know how todo it, you can learn, and I'll
show you how to do it when we doit, right?
Guys will gravitate to it justfor that because their dads
didn't teach them anything.
The the boomers were horribleabout passing on knowledge, and
when they pass away, I don'tthink we're we're prepared for

(01:19:15):
how fast things are gonna fallapart.
And another thing is be veryinvolved in the pro-life cause.
The knights are already superinvolved, be even more involved,
be militantly involved, right?
Everyone show up for thepro-life march, show up in your,
you know, if you're a fourthdegree in your fourth degree, or

(01:19:37):
show up in a uh Knights ofColumbus shirt, have flags of
all types, right?
When you're doing it, thosethings I have shown, I've seen
gain more younger men thananything, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:50):
There's an one other thing when you do the Tootsie
Roll drive, make sure the smocksyou wear are the old ones that
still say help retarded chargebecause the zoomers will just
find that hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:05):
Good luck on getting that approved.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:07):
Well, that's why you gotta take over the council,
right?
So you can get it approved.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:13):
Just don't tell them.
That's all.
Yep, but uh somebody asked aboutum books, like books that they
can grab.
Um where there is no doctor is agreat book to have for medical
stuff.
Um, it's essentially a book forthird world countries uh and how

(01:20:33):
to deal with it there, and agreat book that is by Varg
Freeborn, Bible to the Mind,Training and Preparation for
Extreme Violence is another bookthat I would recommend.
Because it it goes into somestuff.
It goes into some stuff that Iwould recommend.
I those are two books I wouldstart off with.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:53):
I would also advise um Joe Dilio's books, the
tactical wisdom series.
Um, they are phenomenal books.
They they literally take youfrom couch to militia.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:08):
You know, he runs with a buddy of his too that
does urban and suburban planningand warfare.
There's that guy on X thatpromotes those books.
I don't know the guy off thetop.
I'll if you follow me on X, Iusually retweet a bunch of his
stuff.
Those are good books to get.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:21):
Yeah, those are good.
And then you know, if you wantto get into communications, um
the Gorilla's Guide to Bao Fangsby NC Scout, you go to
brushbeater at.com and buy itthere.
Um, so I mean these are allgood.
I I think Joe Dolio's books willbe the best for as a starting
point for a lot of peoplebecause there's some stuff in
there I don't know, right?

(01:21:42):
Because there's some like Idon't do everything in the
Marine Corps, like I did a lotof it, but not everything.
So there's still some stuff inthere I needed uh some brushing
up on or some things thatbecause I haven't done it for
you know 12 years now, I've beenout for 12 years.
There's a lot of stuff that'sjust gone, like I don't remember
it anymore.
Um, and and here reading thatstuff again, like, oh yeah, I
forgot we did this.
Yeah, okay.

(01:22:02):
Like bounding overwatch,bounding and overwatch and
jumping on that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:07):
I think that's something that if you're in
you're getting into this for thefirst time, folks, you have to
understand that these are alldiminishing skills once you
learn them.
So, whatever it is, you got totrain and practice with them,
shooting, first aid, radios,whatever the case may be, just
so you're up to date on it.
Uh, because just the the the oldthe the prepper mindset is I

(01:22:29):
have this stuff, and then theylike they'll buy a generator and
they will never run thegenerator.
Yeah, and then when the timecomes to use the generator, the
seals and everything are arethey're not set, and then all
these other kinds of things.
So, whatever gear, whatevertraining you have, stay up to
date on it because it'll alllike it'll all just fly out of
your head if you're not stayingon top of it.

(01:22:52):
Yep, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:57):
This is preposterous.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:02):
No, plus don't aren't there usually council
auxiliaries, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:07):
There's there's some.
There's some have auxiliaries,but if you if you don't want men
to show up, then let women bein.
That's a surefire way.
Why do you think you know assoon as you let girl altar
servers in, all the boys goaway?

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:19):
100% every time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:21):
Every time.
Yep.
Yeah, I got another thing.
Uh y'all thought I was done withthe notes.
I'm not done with the notes.
You're not done with the notes.
I got notes on top of notes.
All right, so structure of agroup.
How do we structure it?
Um one, you can only have oneleader.

unknown (01:23:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:42):
There there is no council of democracy when it
comes to these things.
You need one person who'sresponsible for all the
decisions, at least the finalsay.
Okay.
Secondly, especially in theMarine Corps, 90% of the Marine
Corps is to support the 10% whoare shooters.
Okay.
Most people in the Marine Corpsare not trigger pullers, right?

(01:24:06):
They are guys supporting thetrigger pullers.
So you may know people who youknow are not physically able,
but they know how to can, right?
Or they know a bunch of people,so they their networking is
great.
They can find out and getsomething for you that you may
need, right?
These people are of are ofimmense value, right?
These are people probably more alittle bit more valuable than

(01:24:28):
any of your trigger pullers.
Trigger pullers a dime a dozen.
You can you can check, I canteach anybody how to shoot,
right?
Um, but I can't teach people howto properly can because then you
gotta deal with botulism andother things, right?
Um, but when you're establishingyour and you're structuring the
group, just keep in mind thatmost of the group is going to be

(01:24:50):
support, and it needs to be.
And you need a few guys who areable to carry that firearm um on
a daily basis, no matter what,and then everybody else needs to
know how to use them anyway, aswell.
Um, but you only need a fewguys, especially at the
beginning.
Um skills are going to be muchmore desirable than um like uh

(01:25:14):
tertiary skills, like you know,what we talked about earlier,
welding and electrician andplumbing and farming and
whatever, right?
Those are gonna be much moredesirable because you're gonna
need those a whole lot more thanyou will somebody, especially
now at this point, um, thansomebody who can uh carry a gun.
Um one often overlooked aspect,and then I'll let y'all jump in,

(01:25:35):
um, is intel.
Anybody can learn how to be theintel guy, right?
It doesn't require a lot, itjust requires diligence, right?
You just have to be able to beable to do it for a certain
amount of time every day tocheck up on things.
Okay.
Um Mike Shelby wrote a bookcalled the Area Study Guide.

(01:25:56):
You can get that.
He also has one, it's calledSHTF intelligence.
Um, they're I think they're allfound on his website, Gray Zone
Intel, I think Gray Zone TheWarlord, whatever it is.
I'll look it up again.
Um, but these are books that youcan learn how to do it.
There are study, there areclasses he's put up on YouTube
you can find to do it as well.
But if you do not understandyour area and who are the actors

(01:26:19):
in your area and what are thecritical infrastructure of your
area, um, then you're you'reblind on everything, right?
If you don't know who, like Mikelikes to call the Leroy Jenkins
gang is involved in your in yourarea, right?
And you're not able to discernlike what that tagging is, or
you don't know that there's apower substation two miles down

(01:26:40):
the road from you.
If that thing gets shot with 30odd six, all it takes is about
six rounds to put that thing outof commission, yeah, right.
Um, and then you're out ofpower.
If you don't know where thesethings are and you don't know
how to properly account forthem, the fog of war starts at
your front door instead of beingfurther out, right?
So um those are some things thatyou need to get away from the

(01:27:03):
mindset that everyone has to bea CQB trained uh Navy SEAL
ranger sniper, right?
Um, you you're much morepreferred to have guys who have
other skills than guys that youcan just shoot.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:18):
Yeah, that's that diversity we're talking about
earlier, early on, when you'retalking about certain skill
sets, everybody needs to havealso we're talking about high
stress situations.
The more defined a role a personhas that they can kind of
identify with and give them apurpose, the better their morale
will be uh going through that aswell.

(01:27:39):
So making sure everybody hasthat purpose and making sure
that that they are valuable toyour group uh will ensure that
they are staying engaged withthe whole thing.
So that's it's uh everythingthat you said, it's just really
making sure that they have thatthat value of purpose so that
way they can, you know, the lastthing anybody wants to be in

(01:27:59):
these situations, they want tofeel like they're contributing
to the actual scenario uh and tothe group and to the cause.
So, you know, that's gonna beincumbent on the leaders, the
people, you know, the people atthe top, making sure that
everybody does have a role andthat everybody's skills are
being used.
And yeah, one thing I'm sureAiden knows about this is um,
you know, making sure everythere's you know, you have a

(01:28:23):
main role and then you learnsomebody else's as a backup.
So you have if something happensto them, then you can kind of
move between, and also when youhave those people working
together, you're also fosteringrelationships and you're growing
together as a unit as well.
So that's really the the biggestthing I can I can uh add to
that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:43):
Well, it still Marine Corps saying misery
breeds company, right?
You will never grow closer tosomeone than when you're both
out in the rain on a field X andjust drowning in the rain and
you can't get out from it, andyou still have to get the
whatever done, the mission done,whatever it is, still gotta dig
that trench, or you still gottaget that cow out of the pasture,

(01:29:05):
or you gotta you know put thatpost in for the whatever it is,
right?
When you deal with adversitywith other people, you grow in
bonds uh with them a whole lotcloser than you ever will with
your family, right?
Especially if you're around themlong enough and the misery is
deep enough, right?
That's why what is it inShakespeare?
Um what is it?

(01:29:28):
Um man, trying to remember thesaying, and now I forgot.
The Koof has got me, guys.
The Koof got me.
Oh, blood blood of brothers bornin battle is thicker than the
water of the womb, right?
That's what you know.
Blood is thicker than water,it's just been like truncated

(01:29:51):
down.
That's the full quote, right?
Um, the men that you are withand you suffer with, you're
gonna Be much closer to evenyour brothers and sisters
because they've been throughthose things with you and they
know what it's like.
That's why for a lot of vets,it's hard to come back from you
know war because we come backand like we just got through a

(01:30:14):
situation where I was you knowhaving to dodge IEDs on the road
and being shot at every day, andthen I come home and the biggest
worry most people have is whatthe price of gas is.
Like it's it's hard for us toreally relate to people because
the things that are stressfulfor most people is a nothing to

(01:30:34):
us.
Like what so what gas is threedollars a gallon?
At least you're not getting shotat, right?
Or so what you you you can't goout to eat today and you gotta
eat ramen noodles.
At least you don't have to worryabout your buddy getting blown
in half from an IED, right?
So it and that's what it's hardfor guys to come back and and
transition back to civilianlife, and that's why you see so
many guys committing suicide,right?

(01:30:55):
And so many guys taking theirown life, you know, 22 a day or
it, whatever it is, right?
And I've seen it higher, I'veseen it lower, but it's because
they don't know how to trans,they don't have the support
network to come back to becausecome back, and their family has
no idea how to relate to themanymore because they've gone
through something that has onlybeen in the books they've read,
and they don't and their familydoesn't know how to relate to

(01:31:16):
them anymore.
Yep, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:20):
Do you suggest um a group um do an inventory both of
of skills and material andthings like that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:32):
The the more nitty, if you've got an accountant that
can take over clerical work,right?
They're gonna have you all onsuch uh a higher grade than
everyone else.
Because if you can't like, hey,this guy's got you know this
amount of food and this kind offirearms and these these kind of
skills, and it compliments youknow this other guy, whatever.

(01:31:56):
If you can keep an inventory ofthat stuff and keep a track of
it, um, and sometimes likeyou're not gonna want somebody
to know, like, hey, I'veactually got five years of food,
not three years of food, right?
Um, you might want to keep someof those things close to the
vest because you never know.
But um, but yeah, have so havingan Excel.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:11):
I don't know if I do an Excel sheet, I'll probably
put it on some paper, but um,but uh, I wouldn't put it on
Google, I wouldn't put it onGoogle Box, I can tell you that
you can't get it on the computerwhen that world ends.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:21):
That's uh like when guys are like, Yeah, you can
download all these books and putthem on Kindle, like what if the
power goes out and you can't getpower for a while.
That Kindle lasts about twoweeks, but what if power's out
for three?
Like you're gonna have a hardtime.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:32):
Um, but you can always get the uh cell battery
chargers, you know, we stock upon solar, you know, yeah.
Yeah, you can always get thosesolar cell packups like four
patriots, and most guys alwayssell that kind of stuff, but
yes, it's better more physicalthings you can have, the better.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:48):
But just keep in mind, we may have to block the
sun to fight against the Tesladroids.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:53):
Okay, when that situation happens, I'll deal
with it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:58):
That is one of the point we're giving up, guys.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:01):
That's I file that one under.
I'll cross that bridge when Iget to that one.
That's I am anti-clinker.
When Mr.
Burns puts out the sun, we'llwe'll figure out what happens
going forward on that one.
But yeah, that's of course youwant to inventory everything.
I mean, you know, so that waywhat do we need more of, or what
do we need less of?
Because sometimes people willwhen they prep, they overbuy

(01:33:23):
certain things thinking they'regonna need that, and then it's
like, well, you didn't need 700,let's say, solar battery
chargers.
You need 700 of those, you'regonna put your money probably
towards MREs or maybe somebandages or something else like
that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:34):
So, yes, obviously why you have 500 5,000 rounds of
British 303.
I don't know, but you don't needit.
You never know, you never knowwhat happens.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:44):
Uh, there's a guy I used to follow back in uh before
COVID hit, and um he put he wastalking about how he put toilet
paper on auto subscribe onAmazon, and he forgot to turn it
off and he just kept gettingtoilet paper over like every
week.
He had like 500 rolls of toiletpaper.

(01:34:05):
He's like, What am I gonna do?
And this is like in the toiletpaper shortage of 2020, you
know.
Um, he's like, What am I gonnado with all this toilet paper?
I was like, You're not gonnaneed to buy toilet paper for
about 10 years, that's why.
But just like keeping it imagineputting that on the inventory
sheet 500 rolls of triple ply.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:23):
Oh, he went, he went and got the good stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:26):
Yeah, look, well, can't cheap out on those things,
you don't want to wipe withsandpaper.
There are you can permityourself some luxuries in the
apocalypse if you can stock upearly enough.
You can permit yourself someluxury.
Yeah, also they go for greatbargaining at that point.
Yeah, I got the reply, buddy.
What do you want?
You know, it's like I just useold sheets for good.

(01:34:50):
Use the tiny whiteys to get fromeverybody else, that's what you
do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:53):
I kick them out of the group and I keep the teddy
whiteies.
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:57):
I got a job for you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:58):
Uh put them in the bag.
Um, all right, last thing, andthis is the biggest thing I see,
especially online.
Well, how do we keep the fedsfrom getting in our group?
Why do you care if feds are inyour group?
You're not doing anythingillegal.
Just don't do anything illegal.
If someone comes to you andtries to get you to uh cut some

(01:35:22):
inches off of a shotgun and sellit to them, do not do it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:26):
If they want to kidnap the governor of Michigan,
no, do not do it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:31):
No, just don't do anything illegal, and it won't
matter if the feds are in yourgroup, right?
Uh, just to hey, if somebodycomes to you like, hey man, can
you take this uh brace off thisrifle and put this stock on for
me?
I just can't do it.
My hands are tied.
I'm making a peanut butter andjelly sandwich.
Don't do it, just don't do it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:48):
Look right into the body camera and tell them that
is completely illegal, my friendJohn Doe, and I would never do
such a thing.
How dare you ask me to do such athing?
I am a law-abiding citizen, andthen give them a wink.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:02):
And if someone comes to you and says, Hey, I know
where the building is in WestVirginia where they keep all the
4473s, and it'd be really easyto burn this thing down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:10):
Then take one for the team and just go do it,
guys.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:12):
Please, we'll try to go fund me for you if you take
care of that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:16):
If some if someone comes to you and says, I have
seven thousand dollars.
If you just tweet this about theolder brothers, you're like,
just once, I need the moneyfirst.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:27):
I need the money first before anything happens.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:30):
I'd say it depends.
Are uh our uh are Barrett rifleson sale that week or not?

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:39):
But it another aspect is like vet who you got
coming in your group, right?
Even if you just even have abuddy who wants to bring a
friend along, like be very waryof what you show any new people
that are coming, right?
Even if you're doing some thingsthat like you're putting that
brace into your shoulder duringthe time when you couldn't do
it, right?
Like, I wouldn't have anybodynew around when you do that,

(01:36:59):
right?
But um, you know, whatever itis, just vet who you have.
If you want to keep layers ofaccess, you can, right?
So if any anybody new cominginto the group, if you if they
need to come to like somecookouts with y'all first, for
y'all to vet this guy out firstbefore they ever do some
training with you, that's a goodidea.
You could do that, or they'vegot to go through a background

(01:37:20):
check, right?
Before they ever come do anytraining with you, you could do
that too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:25):
Or if you if you need an initi an initiation
ritual where they do somethingillegal first, that's right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:30):
Perfect.
That's right.
Make sure you get on video,yeah.
Well, I think it's actually areally good idea keeping you
know that goes to yourleadership principle, right?
Leadership talks about thatstuff.
Hey, we're just out here doingfirst aid stuff.
Hey, we're out here just showinghow to you know butcher a

(01:37:50):
chicken.
There's nothing like you said,there's nothing legal about
that.
Just going to a shootingcompetition, nothing legal about
that, you know.
Any of that stuff that you'll benervous about, just don't tell
those people until they earn it.
They may never earn it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:04):
Yeah, yeah, and there's just some people who
just aren't good for the group.
Be okay to let somebody go.
Um, because you especially ifthey're a headache, right?
Just let them go.
Like, hey man, you're notallowed, you're you're not
welcome here anymore.
You're just I don't want tobabysit while I'm here, right?
And be a man and tell them totheir face, right?

(01:38:24):
Don't do it passiveaggressively.
But um I'm from Minnesota.
You better figure out how totell that person that it's a
casserole, not a hot dish.
Send them a tax.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:33):
Well, Adrian, I get some bad news.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:40):
Well, this is awkward.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:44):
I got Anthony.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:49):
Yeah, I mean, that's the you know, you have to back
it goes back to leadership,right?
If you can't make thosedifficult decisions about people
in your group when it'scomfortable, not gonna be able
to rely on you in a leadershipscenario to make the tough, like
actual, real tough calls.
So you want to be at you wantthe burden of leadership, it's a
burden for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:09):
How do you choose a leader for the group?

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:12):
I I'll tell you the the two people if you have
access to them who would beshould be at the top of your
list.
Um, anybody who served as an NCOin any type of military, uh,
well in a combat in a combatrole, we'll say, right?
And anybody who's a paramedicbecause they are used to having
to make hard decisions um on thefly.

(01:39:36):
Right.
Anybody who's a paramedic thatworks 911 um or who's a
paramedic and has to work sometype of ICU transport, they are
consistently having to make harddecisions.
And sometimes it's you know,hey, I'm gonna have to cut your
finger off to save your arm,type of thing, right?
Um, or I'd rather you be aliveand paralyzed than dead and can

(01:39:58):
walk, right?
There's some situations thatcomes up.
So paramedics are used to thosedecisions and making those
decisions.
Um and then anybody's an NCO.
Now, outside of that, if youdon't have access to those, um
you're gonna have to findsomebody who has good prudence
and judgment and who isn'twilling, who is willing to be
wrong, right?
Because if you're it's betterfor you to make a decision

(01:40:20):
quickly with all the informationyou have and be wrong than to
wait too long and make a gooddecision, right?
Because then you're you're biteyourself when you don't need to.
So yeah.
Outside of that, it's it reallycomes down to a judgment call on
who you think has the bestleadership capabilities.
But if you have somebody witheither of those two skills,

(01:40:40):
they'll be the first people I'lllook at.
Yeah, I completely agree.
Are we talking police officer ormilitary officer?
Because I'm gonna say no to bothof them, right?
Because you one in the militaryofficers, you can't get lost
without spell without LT, right?

(01:41:01):
Um, and two, most policeofficers, have you seen the body
cam videos?

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:07):
Yeah, it's not great.
The crazy thing is, most youknow, we we have a saying at the
range, the guys we fear the moston the public range are or we're
teaching or are in the LTC classor military and law enforcement.
Um, simply because they don'tfollow directions well.
There's a uh a general ease thatI'm not comfortable with around

(01:41:29):
firearms with them because theythey've been around it so much.
Uh they think they don't need tofollow certain directions of
protocol.
So, you know, and also likeAdrian said, a lot of them a
lot.
He's like, I was in the militaryfor 25 years.
What'd you do?
I was a cook.
Well, okay, that's great, but Idon't think that means you're
gonna be the guy who's gonnalead the charge here.

(01:41:50):
So you know, you can cook stuff,great, go ahead and do that, but
you're not, and and they'll tryto they'll try to, and that's
another, you know, I don't meanto go off here, but that could
be something to avoid, you know,if you're vetting somebody like
well, I was in the military,they might try to come in and
commandeer and try to runthings, yeah, a way that you may
not be comfortable with becauseof their quote unquote military
experience, and you're like,Well, you know, did y'all ever

(01:42:13):
hear that group, the AppalachianRangers?

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:16):
No, so there was a a group uh um uh in the in the in
the Appalachians.
I don't know, I think they're inlike South Carolina or and up
into North Carolina, but umthere was an issue where the guy
who started what started thatended up ceding control to
somebody else who's a little bitmore outspoken and extroverted
and such.
Um, and they were doing somegreat training, they had a lot

(01:42:38):
of good stuff on Instagram, likea lot of good stuff.
Um, and then it comes to findout that the guy who took it
over was grooming some of hisown guys as a private military,
and their goal was if thingswent bad, they were just he was
just gonna be a warlord andstart killing everybody and
taking everybody's stuff withhis group of like 12 guys,

(01:42:58):
right?
Um, and that got found.
I I don't know how that gotfound out, but I remember it got
it got pushed out for you know,I think they had him on um
wiretap and some other thingswhen they got released, but um,
yeah, you gotta be very carefulof some of these guys again.
Beds can take over a group too,right?
If you got a guy leading thegroup and all of a sudden he

(01:43:19):
wants to make his own uhammonium nitrate, you know, and
start doing some stuff with it,uh, you should probably leave
that group.
I would not be involved withthat whatsoever.
Yep, absolutely.
All right, let's go through someof these questions.
You want to pull them up for us,Rob?
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:40):
In a difficult case, how would you guys reestablish
the spiritual life of the group?
Try to find a priest for thegroup that would be willing to
help aid with aid with help withit hard to find a priest.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:53):
Like one, priests are already super busy.
Um most of them are anyway, andtwo, finding a priest who would
actually be on board with a lotof this stuff for a lot of
people is gonna be verydifficult because the amount of
effeminate priests we have outthere uh who are very concerned
about um outward appearancesabout things a lot of times.

(01:44:14):
Like that's why you have a lotof these parishes that are
scared to have a security teambecause they're afraid to be
liable in case somethinghappens.
They'd rather you all die thanhave a team there that can
protect y'all, right?
That because they're afraid ofgetting sued.
Um, but in my opinion, umestablishing a prayer life with
the group, right?
Like you start with a prayerevery time.

(01:44:35):
Like I run him, I run a men'sgroup here out of our parish,
and the first thing we do ispray the rosary, right?
So, and it's it's beenestablished since then.
That's the first thing we doevery time.
And it's really set the tone forthe group.
But you know, having a groupprayer life every time you all
get together, when you havemeals together, um, and y'all
don't be afraid to talk aboutthe faith, even if some of them

(01:44:56):
are Protestant, right?
Some people just need to be toldthe wrong, right?
So um, that would be my opinion,anyway.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:05):
I there's been a couple of parishes that have
rejected having I've had knightswanting me to come and talk to
their parishes that have beenrejected by priests.
So, kind of following whatAdrian said, you're finding the
good ones, the ones that they'regonna be, you know, they're like
parking space, they're gonna getsapped up real quick.
They're they're already part ofgroups of training.

(01:45:27):
Uh maybe a Kapa goes back tothat leadership.
Your your leadership structureneeds to be that's gotta be part
of your plan in place.
How are you going to institutethe prayer life for the group?
Because that once again, if youare in leadership, everybody's
gonna be looking to you, they'regonna be looking to you for
defense, food, and spirituallife as well.

(01:45:48):
Like, you know, running anightly rosary or morning
rosary, morning prayer, youknow, have a good Bible, make
sure you can do the Biblereadings every morning.
Think there's ways you can doit.
We have lessons in Catholicismfrom all these situations.
Japanese got the sacraments fora thousand years, and yet they
were able to keep that that thatlife thriving in Japan.

(01:46:10):
I mean, you have the the Chineseright now that are the
underground that they're dealingwith stuff like that right now.
So I know we want to be like,we're gonna get this priest, and
he's yeah, probably not,probably not.
You're you once again, as afather, and you know, Rob and
Adrian know that they haveauthority in their homes, you
know, to be the priest, prophet,and guess what?

(01:46:32):
You're gonna have to be thepriest, prophet, and king for
your group, and that's onceagain, the leadership falls on
you, and then within yoursmaller circles, you're gonna
have to you know lead it in thatgroup.
So just don't and I I get it,you want to farm out for lack of
a better term.
We'll just get a priest and dothat.

(01:46:52):
Well, that's like you saying,I'm just gonna find a car and
drive somewhere if I need to.
You're you're you're puttingthings into a you're you're not
accounting for that in arealistic way, and I don't want
to be a jerk in that that sense,but you're kind of throwing it
up to a theoretical that it's avariable you cannot control.
And now, once all right, we'regonna get this priest, and it

(01:47:15):
happens, priest isn't there.
Now everybody's gonna go, whatdo we do now?
Because we had counted on we'regonna get this guy.
Well, we have a backup, or wehave this.
This is what we're gonna do.
It's layers of redundancy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47:31):
Bishop um Bishop Schneider in his books, you
know, has good examples of whatof what the Catholic communities
and um in the Soviet Union did,you know, as far as uh a prayer
life and sacramental life andthings like that, when they
didn't have priests and had todo stuff underground.
So those are um his books ingeneral are just great to read,

(01:47:54):
but um, even for that specificpurpose, there's there's good
stuff out there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:02):
Well, who wrote the book Priest Prophet King?

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:05):
Oh, um Dr.
Dill Diller Dilling Dilling,yeah, didn't um something
something like that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:13):
Yeah, he I just remember him being on um Church
Militant, right?
And I this is back to like whenChurch Militant was thought to
be just like the Fox News of theCatholic Church.
Um and he was on there, and Ithought that was a weird cat,
man.
I met him once.

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:28):
Was he weird in person, too?
We had him speak at an event,and he showed up late and he was
like sweaty, and he went like 30minutes over and he wouldn't
leave the the stage.
He's a weird dude, so um, butthat book is phenomenal.
Yeah, which one?

SPEAKER_01 (01:48:45):
Because there's there's multiple uh hold on,
I'll find it.
Uh because Baron wrote one withthat title.
No, let's hold on, I'll find it.
R Albert Moeller Jr.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:57):
No.
No, let's see.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:01):
Dill Saber, Dr.
Dill Saver Saber.
Yes, there it is.
Yep.
His book is officially calledThe Three Marks of Manhood How
to Be a Priest Prophet King ofYour Family.
Yeah, I met that guy.
He was uh he was a weird cat.
Yeah, he was a weird cat.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:16):
I ain't gonna lie about that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:18):
Um, but his book is like you said, the book is good,
but not he may be whatever,yeah.
When he he was divinely inspiredwhen he wrote the book.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:27):
Well, and and keep in mind, like some of the
holiest people are weird to usbecause we're so broken, right?
We don't, you know, that's whygrowing up, everybody's like,
well, don't hang out with thehomeschool kids, they're
socially inept and they'reweird.
No, they were just innocent andwe were debot, right?
I think like that's the reasonwe didn't mesh well with the
homeschool kids because theywere what we should have been.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:50):
Um, I what the only other question I can really see
is uh what is the shelf life ofMREs?

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:57):
Well depends.
Like, how long is it out in thesun?
Because uh in Afghanistan theydidn't care.
Like I ate some that were likefive years out in the sun, and
I'm pretty sure that's why I'velost a bunch of weight.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:11):
And it depends on the type too, because the new
first strike ones are I thinkare like five years shelf stable
uh after in spectrum.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:18):
I think average is like three years, yeah.
Depending on how where you keepit and what climate controlled
and everything.
But if you keep it like downhere in the south where it
shifts you know hot to cold sooften, well you I would say
three years at most, but by ayear or two, you need to be
eating them on your campingtrips.

SPEAKER_01 (01:50:37):
And it is it by production date or inspection
date?
I think it's inspection date,right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:41):
Yeah, we'll go by inspection date, yeah.
There's a lot of them out there,they're super cheap right now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:49):
That's another thing.
I'll I hate to jump in.
You're in a Trump slump rightnow.
It happened in uh the firstTrump administration.
Ammo is ridiculous right now.
I know some people say Benelli'sfree shipping on all ammo, like
no matter how much.
Uh MREs for Patriots, my Patriotsupply, all that kind of stuff.

(01:51:09):
That stuff's available, theyhave all that kind of stuff
right now.
Is a is a very good time.
I know you know, I say thateverybody's suffering, you know,
money's not doesn't go as far,but the stuff is out there and
this stuff is reasonably priced.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:26):
Yeah, it buy as much ammo as you can right now.
Um, now keep in mind if it's itwas made between 2020 and 2022,
uh be a little careful with itbecause the quality control was
pretty poor during those coupleof years.
Um, but anything after 2023should be fine.
Um, but yeah, buy as much of itas you can.

(01:51:46):
You know, like I was showing inthe telegram group, you can buy
a conversion kit for an AR rifleto fire 22 long rifle out of it,
and I do that all the time.
No, you can't do it don't do itsuppressed because it doesn't
have enough gas to action thebolt, right?
But um you I shoot 22 out of andit's like five cents a round.
Now you buy a thousand roundsfor 50 bucks, right?

(01:52:09):
It's it was shooting all day,every day.
Um you know, 20 or 9mm is likeat most 20 cents a round right
now.
So you're getting a thousandrounds with free shipping for
like 200 bucks plus tax.
That's amazing, right?
Um, five, five, six, threehundred blockout, you know,
whatever you're buying, it'ssuper cheap right now.

(01:52:30):
Buy it now because if thingsramp up in the next couple of
years, like you know, as far asthe Catholic faith goes, like my
next nearest target I'm worriedabout is like April, May of
2029, right?
Because that's the 100-yearanniversary of when the the uh
consecration of the wor ofRussia should have been done,

(01:52:51):
right?
And I'm of the opinion it's notbeen done yet because I'm still
waiting for that period ofpeace, right?
If this is a period of peace,I've been sold a bill of goods.
Um, but that's my next I'm like,well, what happens in 100 years?
Like I yes, the sacred heartwasn't exactly 100 years, it was
like 100 years in a week, right?
But it was still pretty close.

SPEAKER_01 (01:53:12):
Plus 20 that lines up pretty well with you know the
end of the 28 election cycle,yeah.
Which could see a lot of issues.
Um, what was the website, Rick,to buy?

SPEAKER_05 (01:53:26):
Uh I can say because I don't think it'll post.
Uh B-E-R-L-E-L-I.com, Barelli.
Free shipping on everything, andthe ammo right now is just dirt
cheap there.
Like wherever, you know.
I I just ran, I just becamecertified as an AR-15
instructor.
Um, and I got 800 rounds for350.

(01:53:48):
Now it was Winchester white box,I get it, but it was still
pretty, it was still prettyinexpensive to to acquire.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:55):
So I've seen 55 grain for like 40 cents a round,
so 400 bucks for a thousandrounds.
Yep, uh free shipping on a lotof this stuff.
So yeah, yeah, that's it's supercheap right now.
Buy as much of it as you can.
Is uh as we talked about inprevious shows, like how much
should you have?
As much as you can buy, right?

(01:54:16):
But if you want a minimum, Iwould have at least 500 rounds
in reserve, and 500 rounds youconstantly train with.

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:23):
That's what I actually would have.
I I think I I go a thousand inreserve and then actively train
with five.

SPEAKER_03 (01:54:29):
So yeah, yeah, I would agree too.
That's just I would agree too.
Uh it's just it I if for peoplewho already have a hard time
buying a gun because it's tooexpensive, right?
And not being able to justifythat kind of purchase because
it's either that or they pay thepower bill.
I get it, I get it.
That's what I'm saying.
So, like as long as you've got500 rounds will last you a
while.

(01:54:50):
And if you're going to thebecause I only shoot 50 rounds a
week, that's all I shoot, right?
If I'm shooting more than 50rounds, I'm wasting my time.
I'm mag dumping at that point,right?
But if I'm going to the therange and I'm working on skills,
I'm really only shooting about50 rounds a week.
Um, and then there are somedays, some range days I will
shoot three, four hundred roundsbecause I've got the time to do
it.

(01:55:10):
But if I got if I got an hour,I'm shooting 50 rounds.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:13):
So you're we're we're also, I think, um we're
all we're this isn't typebaseball at this point for the
folks.
But um, I'm talking about like athousand of of the actual
defensive stuff that I would runin a scenario, not actual
training uh stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55:29):
Yeah, but like on on 556, 55 grain ammo becomes what
becomes duty ammo out of a20-inch barrel, right?
So if you want to if you want toturn that cheap training ammo
into actual duty ammo, shoot itout of a 20-inch barrel, then
it'll it'll it'll punch throughanything.
But it you're to your point,yes, I agree.
Like, you know, but you'rebuying training ammo for like a

(01:55:52):
dollar fifty a round, or I'msorry, you know, actual duty
ammo for like a dollar fifty around, it's a hard ass for a lot
of people, you know.
I agree, that's a hard ass forme, you know.
But I've got two mags of itright now, and then everything
else is you know, FMJ, you know,shooting some ball ammo and
everything, and that's uh it's ahundred.

SPEAKER_05 (01:56:11):
That's another point you want to bring up is you
know, you were talking aboutbudgets earlier.
That's something you want to doright now, set your budget.
So if you need to only buck, buya box a week or a month, yeah.
You know, slowly build up 20 20rounds at a time.
It may not seem great, but ifyou accumulate, especially as
Adrian with the cheap prices,find I know for like Fort Scott,
I know it's it just as anexample, you can get a

(01:56:32):
subscription service to them.
You can pick up, I want this, Iwant or ammo squared, yeah.
Exactly.
I just use them as an example,but there's tons of them where
you can put yourself on asubscription service and you're
just getting it and you'restockpiling it as well.
I know Paul asks, is there aspecific ammo brand for ARs?
I don't think there's anythingspecific.

SPEAKER_03 (01:56:52):
Uh that you'd avoid what would you avoid?

SPEAKER_05 (01:56:58):
Winchester white box.
But some guns, some pistols arevery finicky with ammo,
especially defensive ammo.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:07):
So especially the smalls, the smaller pistols,
exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:57:11):
So you're gonna have my blocks hate blazer, yeah, and
I don't know why, but blazershoots out of everything else I
have.

SPEAKER_05 (01:57:18):
So unfortunately, Paul, I hate to say it, you're
gonna have to try some differentboxes, yeah, just to figure out
because I know people that'llbuy a thousand rounds of
something, and then it like itwon't work in your gun, and it's
like, well, great.
So it's it's kind of uh it'sit's a you just have to try it
with different ammo.

(01:57:39):
I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:57:40):
So it's have you guys seen if uh 762 by 39 is any
more available than it has beenthe last couple of years?

SPEAKER_03 (01:57:49):
Because the import ban is still on until they lift
that import ban, you're likethere's no point in having the
per the reason everybody boughtAKs back in the day is one you
can buy them for like 200 bucksand you can buy a thousand
rounds of ammo for like ahundred bucks, yeah.
Right?
Um, because it's all it's alleastern block stuff.
Well, because the import ban,well, now it's just as expensive
as 556, and 556 has betterterminal ballistics than the

(01:58:11):
762.
So why would you shoot that?
Unless you're rich and you justlike want to flaunt your money.

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:17):
But I would also say, as far as back to the
compatibility argument, you'reyou're better off with with 556,
yeah, being more compatible,mini mini 14s, ARs, things like
that, than being stuck with a7.6 with that commie ammo and uh
having to deal with it that way.
Then again, it's personalpreference.
People I know people that wantto run it.
You my my whole thing at the endof day is you run what you want

(01:58:38):
to run, you know, just be awareof the the trade-offs you'll
make with them and all the otherkinds of things that you fall
into.
But yeah, run what you have runwhat you want to run, you know.
Yeah, just make sure it runs.
Yeah, that's really yeah, pleasedo that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:53):
Please do especially with carry ammo, right?
Like, I I've tried everythingfrom Horn of D critical duty to
you know HST to Spear Gold Dotto G9 external haul points, and
it all runs fine in all of myfirearms, but some runs better
than others.
Yep, like my G9 external hollowpoints.
Like, I'm hitting headshots atlike 75 meters on a handgun,

(01:59:16):
right?
Out of my shadow compact, right?
But yeah, I throw the HST inthere and I'm lucky to hit the
man-sized target at 50 yards,right?
It's great from like 20 yardsup, you know.
It's just so your gun will runsome things better than others,
so just try a few.
Yeah, just throw 100 bucks down,buy three different boxes of

(01:59:36):
something, and and try thoseout.
Yeah, it's gonna be better foryou in the long run.

SPEAKER_05 (01:59:41):
It really is in that regard.
All right, we out of questions.

SPEAKER_01 (01:59:47):
Yep, far well, there was one I saw.
It was uh um best place to likebest um best place to get MREs.

SPEAKER_03 (01:59:58):
Amazon.
Yeah.
Like you'll have it in likethree days and you're gonna find
the best price there.
And they'll give you a refund ifit comes up cheaper.
Like I know some people don'twant to go to Amazon because
it's you know chicken hands ofthe devil.
I get that.
But um if you if you're worriedabout your money, right, then

(02:00:19):
and you don't have a lot, gothere, or you can go to if you
have a military surplus nearyou, they may have some that way
you don't have to wait on itbeing delivered.
Um but you know, places likeSportsman's God has it, um uh
ODGG has it.
Yeah, um, you know, you may notget the best price there, but
you're at least not buying fromAmazon.

SPEAKER_01 (02:00:39):
So I've had good luck on eBay.
Um a lot of it from I thinkOzark Outdoors or something on
eBay.
I've gotten a lot from.

SPEAKER_05 (02:00:48):
So yeah, just shop.
You know, if you find uhspeaking of Mr.
Gunsingo back in the day, if yousign up for his email list,
he'll always drop stuff.
He just searches all over theplace and he'll give you an
email list of randomly be like,oh, a thousand MREs are on sale
for like 39 cents, and you'relike, I didn't know where that
was, but thank you for lookingfor me.

SPEAKER_01 (02:01:07):
Or following him on Twitter too.
He yeah, he does that too,right?

SPEAKER_03 (02:01:10):
Yep, him and uh Iraq veteran 88 or whatever his name.
Yeah, not the 88 you think of.
Well, now although he's kind ofleaning that way now.
I was gonna say he kind of isnow, he's kind of transitioned
into his name.
It's like when you meet a guyand like when he's young, his
name's Bill.
You're like, Well, you're fiveyears old.

(02:01:32):
Why are you named Bill?
And then later on, when he's 25,like, that's why your name is
Bill.
I get it now.
You grew into that name, he hasgrown into his his handle.
Uh yeah, I'd say if you'recomfortable with that, yeah,
yeah, why not?
Some people go ahead.

(02:01:52):
I was gonna say you're like,you're you're if you're shooting
uh out of like a nine, 10-inchbarrel, you're gonna get much
better ballistics with it,right?
Than you will have a handgun,but why not?
I mean, the whole purpose ofhaving a carbine is to be able
to hit get longer distance, likean MP5 shoots nine millimeter,
yeah.
So you just would you're gonnahit you 100 yards is really
gonna be your max, yeah, atmost, right?

(02:02:13):
But I wouldn't even do that like50 yards.
But if you're wanting to shootout past 100 yards and you want
to have the capability of andsilence of a nine, I would go
with 300 blackout.

SPEAKER_05 (02:02:22):
The um we all know the AR has very little recoil,
it's very manageable.
A lot of people like that, buteven for people that are very
recoil-sensitive, carbines are agreat excuse.
Carbines are great if you wantto do the nine mil, if you want
to only it.
Let's say you're on that budget,and you you know, if I have the
nine mil carbine, I just buy onetype ammo, and then I can just

(02:02:44):
stack nine, and that way I canconsolidate my resources and
build up to a specific thingwithout having to get two
separate ones.
Some some guys, you know, theylike it if they were that was a
big thing with the bug out guys.
Like, I carry one round, so thatway I don't have to carry as
much.
Also, these are all things youhave to consider, but I'm I'm a
huge proponent of carbines, Ithink carbines are fantastic.

(02:03:05):
Um, especially as truck guns,things like that.
So, there's a lot of differentuses for them.
So, yep.

SPEAKER_03 (02:03:11):
Get that uh Caltech sub 2000, whatever it is, and
that thing that folds in onitself, throw that thing in a
pocket, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (02:03:18):
I have um I have uh the uh Smith Weston FPC in 10
millimeter.

SPEAKER_05 (02:03:24):
Yeah, yeah, it works, it works.
You know, some people will sayno to peace, you know, pistol
cover carvings, but it's reallywhat you want to run.
I always tell people run whatyou want to run.
You don't want to run it, that'syou're gonna have to run it in
that situation, so you gotta becomfortable with it, and don't
worry, no offense.
I don't know who you are.

SPEAKER_03 (02:03:42):
And and first of all, when you go shooting, you
should have fun, yeah.
Like, don't let anybody elsedictate to you what you like to
shoot.

SPEAKER_01 (02:03:48):
It's okay to have guns that are just cool and fun.

SPEAKER_03 (02:03:51):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (02:03:53):
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (02:03:55):
That's dragging the breath out of the shotgun, do
it.

SPEAKER_05 (02:03:58):
Yeah, Caltech exists to make weird guns that nobody
would ever actually use in reallife, but look like wicked their
22 pistol, the Caltech P17, is atop-notch gun.

SPEAKER_03 (02:04:12):
Like it's it's like 160 bucks.
I throw a sepester on thatthing, and you you'd never hear
it all day, every day.
And I've never had a failure onit.
I've shot thousands of roundsout of that thing, and it eats
it eats everything.
So sometimes the Caltech putsout some good stuff.
I'd buy a high point too becauseif you after seven rounds,

(02:04:32):
you're out, you can beat them todeath with it.
Also makes a great hammer, soyou can put them in the hammer
in the tents.
That's right.
Um, like I and the thing withhigh points, man, they're
reliable, they're ugly andthey're heavy, but they they've
they're reliable, they willshoot.

SPEAKER_05 (02:04:47):
I love high point because they at least serve
everybody, right?
They give everybody anopportunity to have a firearm,
you know.
Everybody, this your right tokeep and bear arms doesn't
shouldn't be dictated by yourprice range.

SPEAKER_01 (02:04:57):
Yeah, you see they're going on with the
suppressor for like 250 bucks.
I love them.

SPEAKER_03 (02:05:03):
I loved it when they they leaned into it and named
one of their guns the YeetCannon, the Yeet Cannon.

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:08):
Yeah, I was like, man, with a company like that.
Yep, you have enoughself-awareness for stuff like
that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:05:14):
They're coming out with an AR, aren't they?
Yeah, well, so is Glock.

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:18):
You got you gotta give Caltech credit because they
do the stuff, they actuallyforce the gun industry to
innovate in certain extentbecause they come out with the
the the G, the the shotgun, thebullpup shotgun, and everybody's
like, that's dumb.
And then like five years later,everybody else does it.
So it's just you got to givethem credit where that is.
They're the uh the old the oldthe old joke about the white

(02:05:42):
train and then figuring out whatkind of you know playing
scatterboard on the wall.
Let's make a nine mil that's abull pup that folds.

SPEAKER_03 (02:05:50):
Yes, well, they're the whole reason that they're
the whole reason that five seveneven still exists.
Yep, because nobody's buying aP90.
Let's be honest.

SPEAKER_00 (02:05:59):
I've thought about it.

SPEAKER_05 (02:06:01):
Unless you can unless they make an FRT for it,
there ain't no reason I boughtit.
I had a guy qualify with a Smithand Wesson 5.7 the other day.
Really?
Really?
Yeah, everybody in the rangesaid that all the game, he's
like 5'7.
But his group, he he shot a 250and his group was right right
like that.
Nice flat round.
I mean, it was perfect to shootwith, but don't use that one,

(02:06:22):
folks.
If any out of any, I will saydon't don't buy five seven.
It's just you will go broke.
Yeah, it is super the apocalypseis gonna happen, it's gonna be
like just take my stuff becauselike if I shoot this, I'm gonna
be I can't shoot my gun.

SPEAKER_01 (02:06:35):
So um, if you could only pick one rifle caliber,
would it be uh 308 or 556?
In an end of the world sort ofsituation.

SPEAKER_03 (02:06:50):
I'm gonna let you go first on this one, Rick.
I'm I'm I'm on I'm interested tosee which one you pick.

SPEAKER_05 (02:06:55):
I'm gonna be I'll go with the the standard answer.
I'll go 556.
Um, I think it's more versatileuh uh in that regard.
Um I have no problem with eitherone, but if I was the the
standard person, I think I thinkthe the five five six would be
my choice for that.
Um just and this is anotherthing that um I'll throw out

(02:07:20):
there is the weight of the riflethat you're gonna be carrying if
you're gonna be lugging itaround uh for long periods of
time.
Yes, slings help, but if you'regonna be you know, five five six
a little bit lighter than theammo weight of the amount of
ammo's gonna be a little bitlighter too.
So I have like I said, I've Isaid I don't care what you run.
If you want to run one, if youhad if you gave me the choice, I
would say five, five, six.

SPEAKER_01 (02:07:42):
I I think it's it's gonna depend on on where you
are.
Um, for me, you know, in thewoods of Minnesota, we don't
have long shooting lanes, so Idon't need a thousand yards, you
know, rifle to shoot a thousandyards.
Um, I'm gonna only get a couplehundred yards at most.
Um, the biggest animal we havehere is moose, but you're not

(02:08:07):
probably gonna be hunting moose.
Uh so a 556 will usually takedown a white, you know,
white-tailed deer, somethinglike that.
Um, and like like Rick wassaying, uh, you know, for uh a
typical loadout, you're gonnaget 70 rounds more ammo out of
556, you know, than you will uh308.

(02:08:27):
So if you don't need the athousand yards and you don't
need to put down an elk, youprobably don't need 308, in my
opinion.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (02:08:36):
The uh the whole reason I would choose 556 is
because the ammo capacity.
Um, you can carry a whole lotmore weight-wise in ammo.
Uh if y'all don't why if y'alldon't follow Dirty Civilian or
watch their stuff, you should.
They put a really good one onthe the comparison between uh
World War II loadout and today'sloadout, um and the amount of

(02:08:57):
ammo because they they wereshooting you know the M1 Grand,
which was 30 odd six, and theywere carrying like 80 rounds
plus the eight in the rifle,right?
Because that's all they couldcarry.
Um, they were having to stuff iteverywhere else, but it was
super heavy.
When Eugene Stoner invented thethe AR-15, the Armor Light 15.
Um he what one he had to do itbased on what the requirements

(02:09:22):
of the government, uh, andthat's where the 556 was born
from, is he basically developedthat round or at least maximized
it, right?
So you can carry a whole lotmore ammo with 556.
Um, and especially if you getinto the higher grain stuff,
like my my go-to AR is a 12-inchbarrel, and I shoot 69 grain out

(02:09:42):
of it, and I'm hitting fivehigher 600 yards out of it.
No problem.
Man-sized target every singletime.
Now I'm not hitting a quarter,right?
But I'll hit a man-sized targetall day, every day with out of a
12-inch out with 556, and I cancarry, you know, my my chest rig
is six mags on the chest rig,one in the rifle, one on the
belt, right?

(02:10:03):
That's a lot of ammo.
The equivalent would be likefive mags of 308.
On top of that, if you've neverfired a 308 more than 60 rounds
in a row, you will the firsttime you do it will be the last
time.
That thing will beat you up,yeah.
Right.
And to look at anybody that doesany type of um battle rifle

(02:10:26):
competitions, and they've gotbru their shoulder is bruised by
the end of the day, and thenthey're only shooting 100
rounds, right?
Um, and some guys are fatterthan others, so they're not
gonna bruise as easy, right?
So but still, like a 308 battlerifle will beat you up.
Um, it's just not fun to shoot,man.
Um long distance stuff, probablysingle shot every 30 seconds or

(02:10:48):
so, maybe.
But you're shooting if you'remag dumping it into a dude, like
that 308 is gonna tear you up.
So that would be the reason Iwould choose 506.

SPEAKER_01 (02:10:59):
Um I don't know if we got anything else, guys.

SPEAKER_03 (02:11:05):
We got this one.
Oh yeah.
If you're in Minnesota, it'd bedogs.
Why?
What do you mean why?

SPEAKER_04 (02:11:14):
Actually, it'd be the cats.
They need them all, then thedogs, but first the cats, then
the dogs, maybe my nationwide goahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 (02:11:26):
Nationwide, it would it would be your domestic, it
would be your cats and yourdogs, yeah.
Because you're gonna be theeasiest ones caught.
Deer, like we have a lot of deerright now because we don't have
as many hunters as we did 35years ago, right?
But um, deer are super smart andthey will avoid you like the
plague.
They're really easy.
Dogs are trusting, cats are alittle less trusting, but

(02:11:47):
they're there's a theyproliferate pretty easy.

SPEAKER_01 (02:11:50):
So those are the first ones in areas um where we
see uh decline or collapse of ofsociety, you do see packs of
wild dogs that become endemic.
So you're right.
I they would disappear asdomestic animals, yeah.
But I think uh in many areas youprobably see wild dogs make a
comeback, um, and probably startinterbreeding with coyotes and

(02:12:13):
wolves and things like that.

SPEAKER_03 (02:12:15):
If y'all ever listened to Selko and his story,
uh, wild dogs were an issue.
Um, and mostly because a lot ofthe the dogs um were breeding
with you know other coyotes andthings like that as well.
But um, they got to a pointwhere uh they started to learn
to avoid people after a certainperiod of time too.

(02:12:37):
Um and then they became theystarted running around in packs.
You I have it now out in thecountry, like for whatever
reason, people love to drive outhere and just drop their dog
off, yeah, and then they driveoff.
Um, and then so now I've gotissues with dogs attacking my
chickens and stuff.
Um, you know, so and thenthere's issues around and then
feral hogs.
We don't, it's not so bad herein Alabama yet.

(02:12:57):
It's a lot worse in Georgia andway worse in Texas.
Um, but feral hogs are you don'twant to eat a male boar feral
hog.
They've been in so many fights,they've got so many cysts in
their meat that it'll it'll killyou.

SPEAKER_01 (02:13:15):
Do you think the um I guess which population do you
think would crater first?
Do you think humans would lastlong enough to because if you
have a lot more humans huntinganimals than you do now, right?
If it becomes a necessity, theycould really diminish the

(02:13:37):
population of game animals.
Or at the same time, if thehuman population craters first,
then game animals animals becomea lot more available, you know,
to anyone remaining.
So I guess but you know, I Ialways play around in my head,
like where I'm at, where we arewe have a fairly low population

(02:13:58):
compared to animals, like do Ithink which do I think would
would disappear first?
And I'm not sure.
I think where I'm at, I thinkthe the game animals would hold
on longer than the humans, butI'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 (02:14:18):
I think it depends on really population by
population centers.
Um I actually think you wouldfind a situation where urban
centers areas would crater justbecause of that, and then you'd
see within a three to five yearperiod that those areas being
dominated by game animalsbecause it would be a place
where there would be lack ofpredators, um, rich food

(02:14:40):
supplies, things like that.
Um, as far as and of course, asyou guys both say, they would
stay away from humanpopulations, human populations
have to go farther, farther outto actually acquire these
animals.
Um, because the people, thenumbers people run in these
scenarios that we're talkingabout, you're looking at within

(02:15:01):
six months, the amount of peopleon medications, the amount of
people that are actually notphysically fit, the people that
can't, you know, that arecalorie heavy, that won't be
able to sustain theircalorie-heavy diets and so
forth.
Conservative estimates within ayear's 50% of the population is
either dying or gone.
Um, so especially urban centerswhere it's fight, food, all

(02:15:21):
these kinds of things, they'llthey they will eat each other
up.
Whoever tries to ex-fill out ofthose areas, they'll run into
all these other kinds of things.
So long term, of course, animalswill probably they will they
will come back to probablygreater populations.

SPEAKER_03 (02:15:38):
We've got you've got entire YouTube channels now of
guys who do urban hunting, theygo to like oh yeah, parts and
stuff in cities because the deerare so popular just in these
cities as well.
Yep.
But to Rick's point, like justkeep in mind how many stories
come out when there's a bigstorm, a winter storm comes
through, and that guy goes up toget all the snow off his roof

(02:16:00):
and dies of a heart attackbecause that's the most activity
he's done in six months, right?
Uh, this is all over the place.
How many people are on diabeticmedications?
Whether they're on some type ofA1C inhibitor or some sort, or
they're on insulin itself.
Um, you know, these people aregoing to die super fast.
People on ventilators inhospitals, right?

(02:16:22):
Who are being supported by youknow 10 times the amount of
people, uh, just keep themalive.
Um, you know, people who are onSSRIs, people aren't gonna play
with their BS anymore andthey're just gonna kill them,
right?
Um, and they're gonna be thefirst people who who are gonna
be violent in that situation.
So um you're gonna see theconservative estimate right now,

(02:16:44):
according to the EMP uh studydone back in the 90s with Newt
Gingrich and William Fortune wasum six weeks without power, 90%
of the United States is dead.
So, and that's conservativeestimates.
I think it'll be worse thanthat.

SPEAKER_01 (02:17:02):
That was in the 90s.
We're a lot more dependent onstuff today than we were then.

SPEAKER_03 (02:17:08):
Yeah, I mean, everything's got a computer chip
in it.
I had to register my fridgeearlier to let to turn the alarm
off because I changed the filteron it.
Right?
Like we we are so dependent onso much stupid stuff.
Um it's insane.
Uh but yeah, I the animals outlast us, but the people who
survive all this stuff are gonnabe apex apex predators.

(02:17:34):
They're gonna be they're gonnabe they're gonna know
everything, you know, how tosurvive in an urban environment
and as well as how to kill andfeel just a deer and and butcher
it there, right?
Like it's gonna be people whoare gonna gain a whole bunch of
skills on this stuff, justthrough necessity.

SPEAKER_05 (02:17:50):
Yeah, exactly.
I think a lot of people dream ofit, but they a lot of people a
lot of people fantasize aboutit, but yeah, they they don't
want to actually do it.
They wanna they want to do likethe hunting thing, they want to
hunt like the zombies and stufflike that with no you know
little recourse for any of thatkind of violence, but they don't

(02:18:10):
want to talk about the uh thethe day-to-day operations and
the actual survivability, andreally it just comes back to the
mental, the mental no matter howphysically fit people are, if
they can't handle the mentalaspect of it, then they'll just
fold.
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (02:18:28):
Yep, yeah.
I think this is a especiallyover 40, you need to be shocking
your sensual nervous systemevery other day.
Like lift heavy stuff, uh,especially after 40 years old.
Um you know, I've got uh amyriad of issues from my time in

(02:18:49):
the core, bad, you know, badknees, bad back, and all that.
Um and it's a struggle to get upMonday, Wednesday, Friday and go
to the gym and lift heavy stuff.
It just hurts.
Like right now, I've got a hipissue and I've never had a hip
issue before.
Um, and so I'm trying to figurethat out.
Um, and I'm dealing with a coup.
So today I couldn't go, right?
But tomorrow morning I'm gonnabe end up doing Tuesday,

(02:19:11):
Wednesday, Friday.
One, because I need to for myown health, but two, because my
family needs it.
Right.
And I don't want to be thebiggest thing for me is I dread
the day that I can't carry myyoungest up the stairs to her
bedroom.
Right, whether it's becauseshe's grown too big or I've
grown too weak.
Right, one way, one of thosethings is gonna happen

(02:19:32):
eventually.
Um, and I dread that day.
But right now, I'm still doingit because I go and I lift heavy
every you know, other day, threedays a week, and I walk the
other day or two a week as wellwith some weight on my back.
I've got a driveway that'suphill half the way.
Um, so do hard things, getyourself out of your comfort

(02:19:55):
zone, um, eat better, right?
Um, but just get uh physicallyactive.
Don't there's a uh y'all everwatched any grunt proof?
He's a guy on YouTube as well.
He used to he used to be a umphysical trainer as well.
The thing he would start mostpeople on who are not physically
active is just get them to walkan hour every day for 30 days.

(02:20:18):
Don't change anything about yourdiet, don't change anything,
just walk an hour because onethat still is discipline that
you're gonna do it every day,two, it's activity every day,
but you won't even need toreally change your diet either,
because you're introducing a lotmore activity and you need that
food to keep up your energy, andthen after that, he starts
introducing you know weights andresistance training and diet and

(02:20:41):
everything.
You gotta build up thatdiscipline first of 30 days, and
then after that, you can startgetting into more depth.

SPEAKER_05 (02:20:52):
Yeah, 100%.
Rucking is a great way if youhave bad knees, bad backs,
things like that.
If you want to just start offlight, rucking is a great way of
resistance training, gettingsteps in.
That's absolutely fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 (02:21:06):
All right, that is all I got.
I'm out of notes.
Did y'all have anything elsey'all want to talk about?
All right, last thing I'm gonnahit with.
Join the telegram.
I'm going to be posting acompetition tomorrow for the
month of October.
It's gonna be a shootingcompetition.
Um, and I'll put the rules andeverything in into the
competition.
Um, and just to give you all anidea of what it's gonna be, it's

(02:21:29):
going to be a Mozambique drill,reload Mozambique drill.
Okay, timed the person with thebest score at the end of the
month in the telegram chat.
I will buy you a avoidingBabylon t-shirt of your choice.
Okay, this is to encourage youall to get out and train, to get
to the range, and to competeagainst yourself and others and

(02:21:52):
give you an incentive to do it.
Okay.
Um, so I'll post it tomorrow.
Join the telegram chat.
Rob, it will has the post it inthe description or the comments
or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (02:22:02):
We'll just put it in the live chat.

SPEAKER_03 (02:22:04):
Yeah, so go to the live chat, get there.
If you don't see it, uh if itgets lost in the in the comments
somewhere, just DM me or Rob andwe'll send you the link to get
into it.
Um, but the goal is to startbuilding this community better
and to make each other betterand to start competing against
each other.
Um, because once you startbeating other guys, you can

(02:22:25):
start talking that crap, right?
Starts make other guys want tobe better so they can start
talking that crap too.
Uh so join the telegram and getinvolved.
Um and hope to see you allthere.
Rick for the night.
Rick, yeah, hawk your stuff,Rick.

SPEAKER_05 (02:22:42):
Um, first thing, if you want to check it out, I have
a book on Amazon called TheArmed Catholic Catholic Case for
Guns and Self-Defense.
Um, check it out if you'd like.
Secondly, uh, if you um like thestuff we're talking about here,
uh, or my opinions on them, youcan go check out my uh channel.
It's Rick Cast.
Um the Rick Cast because someother loser took Rick Cast

(02:23:03):
before, so I had to be the RickCast, but it's fine.
Uh, we have the Council of St.
Michael's every Wednesday.
It's something very similar tothis group.
I've got three amazing guys,Joey O, uh Trad Rav of uh
operator, and Catholic PreppersUnite.
We all get together and talkabout this.
Wednesday show is gonna belawful self-defense and use of
forth, cat use of force,Catholic perspective on just war

(02:23:25):
and moral duty.
Uh, we're gonna go through abunch of different things when
to shoot, when to not shoot, um,legal consequences for it,
ramifications, thinking aboutsome of the topics we talked
about it as well.
Uh, so we do that everyWednesday night, and then I
stream Monday through Friday,except for Wednesdays when I do
the council.
6 p.m.
Central Time, where I just kindof rant for an hour about stuff

(02:23:47):
I don't like.
Uh, so if you're into that kindof it's really just that.
I I could try to make it sound alot more um than, but it's not.
I don't want to give you guys afalse sense of something that
it's not, it's just me ranting.
Uh so all that stuff is great.
Now, if you're in in if you'rein the Texas area, especially
Central Texas, I work at a gunrange called Sendero Shooting
Sports.

(02:24:07):
I'm part of the team there.
I do LTC classes if you're ifyou're interested in getting
your license to carry in thestate of Texas and you're in the
central Texas area.
I run mostly the Saturdaycourses.
Um, like I said, I'm certifiedto run AR 15 courses and stuff
like that if you're interestedin those as well.
Uh just send me a message on Xat Stradcath.
And uh once again, big thank youto both Rob and Adrian for uh

(02:24:30):
letting me crash tonight andhang out with you guys.
It was a good time.

SPEAKER_01 (02:24:33):
Yeah, thanks for coming, Rick.
Um, uh yeah, I don't haveanything else.
Uh usual Tuesday.

SPEAKER_03 (02:24:41):
I got a question, Rob.
How much did that uhAnnunciation Parish t-shirt end
up raising?

SPEAKER_01 (02:24:46):
Uh just over a thousand dollars.

unknown (02:24:49):
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (02:24:49):
Yeah, I'm gonna do the final math on it this week
and get the money sent to them.

SPEAKER_03 (02:24:54):
I wore it, I wore it to uh my we have a black
football league at our parish,and I wore it a couple weeks
ago, and I sent a bunch ofpeople over to go.
I don't know if they did boughtit or not.

SPEAKER_01 (02:25:04):
Uh I yeah, I saw an influx a couple weeks after we
were pushing it.
So that yeah, it was probablythat then.
Good.
Yeah.
So uh yeah, thanks.
Uh thanks, Rick, for coming on.
It was great having you, Adrian.
Thanks uh once again.
And um, just to remind everyone,next week this will be on a

(02:25:26):
separate channel than the normalof Owning Babylon, and I'll get
that sent out.
And um uh I'll probably sharethat on one of our shows later
in the week.
But um, yeah, thanks everyone.

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My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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When the unthinkable happens, do you have someone who has your back?

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