Will Leo XIV Continue the Revolution?

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Sancte, sancte, amare morti.
Decadas nos In te speraverunt.
People acting like Tim Gordonwouldn't watch our show in the

(00:33):
chat already.
What are you guys doing?
No, tim Gordon, I don't know ifyou guys know that.
Timothy J Gordon, holy cow man,I've been watching for about a
week and a half, two weeks now.
I've been watching so muchhopium out there.
I've been reading like newsarticles that we're getting a
pope, sarah.
It's been amazing to get myhopes up.

(00:54):
I even had we had michaelhitchborn on the other night and
he had me this beautiful, uh,um, what would you call it?
It's kind of of like rightCatholic fan fiction, I guess we
could call it.
It was such a beautiful dreamof a Cardinal pizza ball
stepping out onto the loge andfixing all the problems in the

(01:17):
church.
But I heard you on your showwith Ryan last week and he was
getting a little hopeful and Icalled you on the phone.
I I'm gonna smack that hopiumright out of you, bro.
Let's get on and talk aboutthis.
You were beyond prophetic inthe details leading up to this
conclave.
Do you feel you feel good aboutpredicting this?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I feel good about being like, hey, the the world
ends on October the 13th, orwhatever I mean.
I feel it's vindicating.
But it's also very, very simpleIf you understand just a little
bit that the Vatican deep stateis the deep state of all deep
states, how Romanita works.
I did study at the Gregg wherethey were holding the shadow

(01:57):
council every night between 62and 64.
I think they were doing it last, the final year of the council,
but it's unbelievable.
Some of the council, but it'sunbelievable some of the stuff,
some of the vindication I've dugup since I ended my stream
earlier today.
So that's just, that's allgoing to be deposited right on,
uh, avoiding babylon, a bunch ofthese turd nuggets are going to

(02:19):
be deposited.
Let's, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, it's vindication that the world
here's, here's the thing, likeeverybody's like, I see people
black pilling and bugging out.
It's like we have been in thisfight for 12 years.
Why would you guys have thoughtit was?
Here's the problem.
We got a little hope andthere's nothing worse than a
little bit of like false hope.
And then, like the thinghappens, and it was like a

(02:44):
letdown, but like france'spassing, I think people really
were like, okay, maybe thisthing will pass now and we'll.
You know, we felt that reliefwhen he went, but but the all
right.
The the most depressing part ofthis to me is that we didn't
even have a big enough block tohold them up beyond four boats,
right, right, like.

(03:05):
That is majorly depressing tome which cardinal casper was
saying.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
He's almost always honest unless it's 2015 and
you're on raymond arroyo's worldover about the upcoming uh
ordinary family senate.
That's the only time I've everseen cardinal casper lie.
This mofo has been honest since1982 about what he wanted to do
and he said like the six hoursbefore conclave began, eight
hours before conclave began, theconservatives don't have anyone

(03:31):
.
They have like three guys andeveryone hates them.
All of the other Cardinals hatethem.
They're treated the way thatBishop Strickland was treated in
the U S CCB.
He's eating his bolognasandwich Cause he's a holy man
who loves Jesus, all alone, withno friends.
Also, these guys are straightmen, so they're eating their
bologna sandwiches all alone.

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Francis held a record number ofconsistories.
The most basic aspect ofRomanita that's not even
procedurally wrong is thatconsistories make conclaves and
conclaves make consistories.
One hand washes the other right.
So popes who have recordnumbers of consistories under

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their watch.
Francis had in 12 years he had10.
Now I saw the number as 12 justa few days ago.
I remember it being one everyyear.
Essentially, yeah, one per year.
This is a record number.
I can I'll walk you through howmany JP two.
Jp two had nine and 27 yearpontificate.
I I've gone through all the20th century popes and and none

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of them made as many Cardinalsper consistory per year as
Francis.
And this personnel is notpolicy, personnel is destiny.
So why did anyone think theconservatives had a block?
I'll tell you the answer.
I know I've been talking, butit's because they've been in the
church three years and copesprings eternal yeah cope

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springs eternal anthony wisheshe had thought of that.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
I thought one of those crazy to me is man you
because I was talking to robabout this earlier like we had
27 years of john paul ii andthen benedict came in and he was
like, all right, we're donewith this council and I'm gonna
pick a name.
I'm not gonna go with john, I'mnot gonna go with paul, I'm not
gonna go with john paul, I'mnot gonna go with any
combination of those.

(05:24):
I'm gonna take my name offbenny, because we're all excited
that like, okay, he picked leothe 14th.
Maybe that's a good sign, buthe did pick leo the 14th because
of rarum navarro, because rarumnavarro is the typical on
catholic social teaching andstuff, and I think he's gonna
upend that or do something withthat.
But the idea that Benedict camein and he was kind of like let's

(05:45):
put the council behind us, likewe, we, we had 27 years of John
Paul the second, we got itwhere, okay, you guys had your
revolutionary liturgical changes, but the moral foundation is
there, and then I think he triedto pull back on some stuff, but
I think he got so defeated.
He got so defeated that he justgave up.
Or do you think that?

(06:05):
You think he was?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
on this the whole time.
I wanted to read from chapterone of Julian Maloney's book,
because she was reminding me howBenedict was arguably the
second most important guy atVatican II, the most important
Ronarite, the second mostenthusiastic ron, right?
So I'm just not on the teambenedict anymore.

(06:28):
I've been way off of that and Ididn't mark the page.
It's.
It's in the first chapter ofthe song to go on mafia.
I'll find it, but uh it.
Oh, here it is Now.
I'll find it, though I swear.

(06:48):
Can you play that little clip?
I sent you this is my show.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
This is not.
I haven't seen this yet.
Tim sent this to me and it'skind of going around social
media.
I haven't seen it yet.
This is Pope Leo XIV's brother,right?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, this is from just a little bit ago.
I swear, you know this is anact of trust.
I swear, I didn't likesuperimpose an image of a dick
or something behind it, I havenot seen this yet.
This is legit, but I wantedAnthony and Rob to see this in
real time.
I didn't do anything shiftyhere, just respond to this.
It's your guy's show, butrespond to it in real time.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
This here just respond to this.
It's your guy's show, butrespond to it in real time.
This, this is your chance torickroll us, but we'll see.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
I just want to see you both shit nokias into your
chonies at the same time butwhen I heard he was in a group
of three, then I thought, well,this could happen when did you
hear that part and when did youknow that he was maybe one of
the finalists?
Maybe like a day or two afterthe Pope died and they were
talking about who are.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
They can say the right part out loud.
So the Pope, the Pope'sbrother's new name should be
Austin Ivory.
The second they're not allowed.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
So yeah, because nobody was actually talking
about him being in the top threeanywhere in the media, but the
brother knew about it.
Now, dude, this is so.
The craziest part about this isthat his brother is so American
, like we have an American pope.
This is bizarre.
They elected Bob from Chicago,basically.

(08:20):
So you said on your show.
You think part of the reasonthey did this is to combat some
of the right wing, like some ofthe conservative Catholic media
in the American ethos.
You think that has something todo with it?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, that's a huge part of it from President Trump
on USAID and the scaling down ofthe American church donations,
because Francis was such acatastrophe.
But number two Francis nevergot over the shock of the
pushback he received from theAmerican Catholic commentariat
right-wing commentariat.

(08:58):
He never could believe it.
He doesn't understandNordamericanos enough to push
back in an effective way.
This guy does.
Anthony, you and I I thinkwe're maybe scheming this up
together.
I think he might end uprepealing Traditiones, custodes
and all the one-note song trads.
I mean, I'm a trad too, but Icare about theology.

(09:20):
All the one-note song trads aregoing to be like well, this is
all that matters.
He repealed TC.
I want TC repealed too, buthe's just going to keep pushing
the Francis agenda and maybe saynice things about the Latin
mass, maybe make it moreavailable.
It's not that tricky to callwhat these mafiosi are doing.
So look shit your pants, whynot?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay, so it's you're not going to have the like cause
.
I think Francis was uniquelyvicious.
So I think, like we talkedabout this the other day, like I
really do think, you'll get abacking off of like the, the
constant nasty comments towardstracks and it's going to seem
like a very conciliatory Popethat's reaching out to you.
You might get those, thosehandouts to the traditional

(10:05):
communities, you might get yourlatin mass back, things like
that.
But the main thing is in hisopening, like his welcoming to
the world, he cuts up and he'stalking about the sonatal church
, he's talking about immigration, he's talking about climate
change.
I mean he's literally repeatingthe francis agenda verbatim in
his opening address to the world.
I mean, the Sonato Church thingwas the one thing that we were

(10:30):
all hoping would just go awayand that's how they keep moving
this thing forward is throughthat.
So I mean, I don't, this isn'teven a black pill.
It's just, guys, we've been inthis for 12 years, like the
fight hasn't changed.
You're in the same exactposition you were.
It might just be a little weirdhaving the guy speak clear
english and not hearing.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Oh, translation error and not having him thumbing his
nose so bitterly the way forfrancis just had a nasty
personality.
I don't.
I don't feel bad.
Saying this is enough time nowsince he passed away.
Francis was just a mean guy andhis contrarian spirit like you
pointed out, anthony could bebrought out even against
leftists like those, those dumbchicks in the disney documentary

(11:11):
, when they're like, are wegonna get abortion and and
female deacons?
He just gets annoyed by peopleand starts slapping them, like
he did with that chinese ladybefore christmas pulling his
hand away when people kiss inthe ring right.
Yeah yeah, pulling his hand away.
He's just a.
He's just a mean grouch.
He was a nightclub bouncer.
He was a nightclub bouncer at aquestionable nightclub and he
was just a mean-hearted old dudethat that was always well known

(11:35):
about him.
And he, he would pass out infits of rage at domus santa
marta, but but make no mistake,make no mistake.
Um, who are the two CardinalKingmakers?
What's, what's?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So this is what's interesting, because I actually
I actually thought that, likemost of the St Gallen Mafia was
gone and like we did, like I didDude, I feel so stupid for
getting hope.
I just feel dumb.
But Casper's dumb for gettinghelp.
Casper's still around.
And help, casper's still around.
And there's two things thathappened.

(12:08):
So two days ago I watched aninterview between Larry Chapp
and Cale Zeldin and they broughtPrevost up and Larry Chapp was
like this is, I have the clip,we could play it.
But he was.
He had the what is it?
The Egidio in Rome or theEgidio in Rome?

(12:29):
I don't know what it's called,but Zupi was the cardinal of
this organization and theydidn't back Zupi, they backed
Prevost, and Cale and Larry weretalking about it and they're
like okay, if he comes out onthe loggia right away, you're
going to start getting thesesuspicions about his handling of
abuse cases, because he washorrible on that.
And then Larry Chapp went.

(12:50):
We're going to play the clipbecause it's really interesting.
Larry Chapp is a communio guy.
His blog is Gaudium et Spes,san Egidio.
So his blog is Gaudium et Spes.
This is a John Paul II guy.
And he starts talking aboutwhat will happen if we get a

(13:11):
francis the second and he's likewe're gonna schism, we may
start like something like thessp, like what would it be?
The society saint paul the sixwith like novus ordo sspx or
something I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
But it was very odd.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Well, you want to play that now real quick, rob,
sure, yeah, let's go with thatnow, but prevovost.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
Well, there's been some movement towards Cardinal
Prevost, who's the head of theDicastery for bishops and he was
, you know, liked by PopeFrancis.
His theology leans in the PopeFrancis direction.
His candidacy is being pushedby the community of San Egidio.
Now, community of San Egidio isa very, very powerful movement

(13:48):
started here in Italy, huge,very much associated for a long
time with Cardinal Zuppi, whothey're not supporting.
Strangely Interesting,interesting, yeah, yeah,
supporting Prevost.
Now, I mean, the thing is, alot of people are very, very,
very concerned about thisBecause the community of San
Egidio, even though they do alot of great philanthropic work,
they're a very largeorganization, they're very

(14:09):
wealthy, they're very powerful,they're very influential, and
yet whatever ecclesial movementor structure they touch turns
into a kind of UN NGO where theyreally dumb the faith down into
a kind of pure secularphilanthropy.
And I, therefore, a lot ofpeople would say we don't want

(14:30):
the next Pope being within 10feet of the community of San
Egidio.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
So you could cut it there, rob.
I mean, that's just interesting, because this is before the
conclave.
He's saying that, so that wasthe first I heard of him.
And then I read the article Isent you on edward penton's blog
where he talks about bumpinginto father martin and austin
ivoray and they implicated thathe was their pick.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Once I heard that, I went it's a wrap, that's it,
that's who we're getting Ididn't hear the san egidio thing
, but I I used to know a littlebit.
I I'm remembering all bad uhabout them from the time I was
in Rome.
Yeah, super far left, surprisedthey didn't back Zupi.
It's weird that the I don'tknow supreme candidacy of Pope

(15:16):
Leo XIV was suppressed so latebefore the conclave and it was
only sort of allowed out a daybefore.
I'm surprised they allowed itout a full day before.
You saw that part of the larrychap interview that I didn't see
.
But this he was.
He was the pick since wellbefore pope francis died, and I
think so.
Huh, oh, this is.

(15:38):
This is how the gauntlet thishas been.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
This has been in the works for a very long time of
course he was the pre-selectedcandidate.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
If the pope's goofy brother knew about it a day
after the pope died, how longbefore do you think that walter
casper knew about it?
And I found I found this isn'tfor right now because it would
take us off topic, but I foundthat part in uh julia's book
sunk all in mafia we could gooff topic.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
we'll get back, okay.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
But neither of you guys really responded to the
Pope's brother, knowing thatcanvassing happened again and
it's not Austin Ivory thatspills the tea, it's the Pope's
big mouth, brother.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
This is not legal.
What's amazing about this isnobody had ever heard of this
guy.
Like nobody had ever heard ofhim.
He was well okay.
So technically he was in chargeof the, the castery for Bishop,
so he was the guy who knockedStrickland out.
Yeah, but not big in the media.
But he's also so cryptic thateven on Edward Penton's college

(16:38):
of Cardinals site he's he's likean enigma.
You it's like they picked thisguy because you can't get him on
heresy or anything.
He's never said anything.
He doesn't said anything.
You don't know his position.
I told you.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
It would be that it would be a lefty francis too,
that is, is in the mold of oneof the the francis too guys.
Maybe he'd be more like pro l mn o p q like zoopy, maybe he'd
be more like pro-LMNOPQ likeZupi, Maybe he'd be more
pro-Synodality like Toggle andFrancis himself.
But he's going to continue theprogram.

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But now they're going to get acraftier guy that has less of a
record and can actually pushback against the American
right-wing media.
The most important thing is whoare the two cardinal electors
that were his kingmakers?
Cardinals Maradiaga, who madethe Francis Pontificate, an
honorary member of the Gaulingroup I've never heard him as

(17:34):
one of the ones that actuallymet at Achilles Silvestrini
apartment, but except on ViaGerusalemme.
But he's the one that workedmost with the Gaulin group to
make Francis.
What did Cardinal OscarMaradiaga also do?
He may.
He's the, the one who made thecareer of Cardinal Cupich a

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meteoric rising career, made himgo from just a Bishop to a
Cardinal.
He's the one that put him infront of Francis.
These two guys because Cupichis now a Cardinal and they both
are very influential in Chicagothey are the two Cardinal
kingmakers of Leo XIV.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Cupich is the American church, okay.
So part of the reason I wasgoofing around with the Dolan
thing like Dolan, he knowsSupich was running the show.
Like Dolan tried keeping hishead down under Francis but I
know there was enmity betweenthose two.
They really didn't like eachother.
Dolan saw 75 coming up aroundthe corner and he knew Francis
was chopping heads off at 75 andstuff.

(18:39):
But Supich runs the Americanchurch and you could tell
exactly what you're getting by.
Who steps out on the loggiawith the pope right.
So we saw parolin and super,super.
I never saw him grinning likehe was today when he stepped out
on that loggia.
I didn't see that.
Do you have that vid?
Do you have a video of that,rob?
He's like ear to ear.
It's supich and parolin rightnext to the guy and it's like

(19:02):
parolin.
We heard that.
We heard that name.
Oh, he's got 40, 50 voteslocked up going into conclave.
Never for a second that I thinkit was going to be him and I I
kind of, after talking to youthe other day it was like yeah,
it's going to be a no-name guythat you can't pin down on.
Something crazy, because eventhe trads were talking about
like beforehand.
It's like don't give this guypeaceful acceptance if they

(19:24):
elect like a known heretic.
This guy doesn't have likeanything.
He's spoken loudly on in favor.
It's like his.
His positions on same-sexunions is muddled.
The only thing we do have isthat he supported francis in the
communion for divorce andremarried, which is like the
signature of the saint galamafiaexactly?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
and what's the other signature, non-specific to any
one moral category, butpredicable across all the
categories, to be aristotelianabout it, doctrinal authority to
local bishops, which is justthe protestant reformation they
wanted this and spoke about it alot at the earliest senate of
francis that if you cross theborder between Germany and

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Poland, then in Germany it'slegal to get a divorce and get
remarried to.
You know, have sex with someonenew and you can get communion.
But you cross the border, yougo into Poland and you can't.
That's all they want, that'sreally all they need.
Then the church is no differentfrom Protestantism or, I'm
sorry, eastern Orthodoxy,eastern Orthodox.
Then you just go to a differentlike autocephalous denomination

(20:27):
, and you can get the result youwant.
In law we call that forumshopping.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Which is what happened with the fiducia
supplicants and the Africanbishops putting their foot down.
It's like all right, we'll giveyou guys a special carve out,
but the rest of the church?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
you're dealing with this, right, right right, but
but um, that's most important.
Uh, let me hold on one second.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm looking at this other thing yeah, take us on a
trip, dude, tell us what I mean.
Like I want to go I want tohear.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I want to hear, okay.
So I want some, some benedictpeople, because I'm, I'm, I
blackpilled on benedict.
This isn't what we're talkingabout here.
Me, anthony robb, this is notblackpilling.
I am a papist ride or die.
I will never be EasternOrthodox.
I have a lot of ortho brofriends and I'm like, sorry guys
, you're just wrong.
A horrible Pope is better thanno Pope at all.

(21:14):
But listen to the blackpill onRatzinger.
Please get off the Ratzingertrain.
I used to be a huge Ratzingerguy and early Benedict guy.
This is page 29 in JuliaMaloney's book and I know people
know that Ratzinger admittedBenedict, admitted he was before
the student uprisings of theliberals in the late sixties.
He was a liberal.

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But you can't get around this.
One day Martini would emerge asa spiritual heir to a key
Vatican II revolutionary father,karl Rahner SJ Naughty pet,
naughty pet.
A German theologian suspectedof heterodoxy.
In the time of Pope Pius XII,rahner was arguably the
council's most powerful man.
Definitely, rahner was VaticanII, as you guys know, and one of

(21:57):
Rahner's key collaborators inthose days was none other than a
young, brilliant theologiannamed Joseph Ratzinger.
In October 1962, the month ofthe Cardinal's beginning, rahner
secretly met with a groupincluding Ratzinger, the
personal theological advisor ofCardinal Joseph Frings.
A plan was being hatched tosubmit an opposing

(22:21):
Ratzinger-Rahner schema in placeof an official council schema,
which you probably heard.
All this, oh, john XXIIIallowed the schema of Vatican II
to change.
We're going to announce thefifth Marian dogma.
And they said no, and it wasgoing to be this based council.
That's real.
Ratzinger, together with Rauner, is the one that changed it.
In those days, a coup began toform around Ratzinger and also

(22:41):
Ratzinger, just a little bitafter this in the 70s, started
talking about having thiscontemplative two-part
pontificate.
I don't believe in Ratzinger.
I don't believe in a single.
I believe they're alllegitimate popes.
I don't believe we've had asingle legitimate post-conciliar
good pope, and that's whatcross-fertilizes the idea of the

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enduring legacy of the StGallen mafia.
The members carry on until theydie and then new guys come and
take their place.
Achilles Silvestrini became thedon after Cardinal Martini got
Parkinson's disease, and now wehave a new group and I think
Maradiaga and I think Cupichtook the place of some of the

(23:23):
dead members of the Golan Mafia,and that's why this has been
decided for months, years, thatit would be this guy.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's just funny that, like the hope that people had
is it's silly, because thisrevolution did start back then
and to think it was just goingto end like that is it's crazy.
Like this, this is a I meanit's a hostile takeover of the
Catholic church.
It's not going to stop on adime like this.

(23:51):
It's going to continue on.
Like I can't separate seeingthis from the passion of the
church and just seeing that it'slike the church is going to
continue on this path untilwe're ready for the cure.
Like people are still not readyfor the cure, so you can't have
the pope of restoration yet thething has to die.
Like the fact that theycouldn't muster up enough guys

(24:12):
to get this thing beyond fourvotes should really open
everybody's eyes of how bleak itreally is in that in that
conclave like it's, theycouldn't even four votes.
That's nothing like fourscrutinies and they got their
guy.
There's no opposition to thisbut also you guys, rob.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I haven't heard either of you react to the fact
that the pope's brother openedhis big trap and said he knew he
was in the final group one dayafter the pope died I didn't
hear him say one day after thepope died.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
That's why I didn't actually hear that clip you want
to replay it?
Yeah, I didn't hear him say oneday after the pope died that he
was in that, because I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
He was not mentioned anywhere in the media, nothing
tim's not going to rest untilyou guys start throwing things
throwing turds around orwhatever.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Find some, find some, you know.
Go to your litter box and starthurling objects.
No, he said, cause the the whowas it?
Abc interviewer was like well,when did you hear this?
That he was in a group offinalists.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, let me hear that again.
I got to hear this.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
But when I heard he was in a group of three, then I
thought, well, this could happen.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
When did you hear that part and when did you know
that he was maybe one of thefinalists?

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Maybe like a day or two after the Pope died, and
they were talking about that,that is insane that he's in the
final three a day after the Popedied.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
That means it was always between Parolin Tagle and
him.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
No, no, that's that.
Well, that's fake.
It was always him, and theyjust you know what they're
telling.
I guess the future Pope'sfriends and family is.
There's a group of three.
But here's the key, here's theproof text that if he knew it
and he's just a layman runningaround in civvies, the Pope's

(26:02):
brother then all he really hadostensible access to is what we
did, which is like oh, who'sgoing to win?
Is it Cardinal Sarah orCardinal Pizza Ball?
And I was laughing at thepeople that thought that he had
inside access.
So, if he had inside access,what were they saying?
They're saying they're tellingyou no, everything we've been

(26:22):
telling the media ismisdirection.
Same as in 2005, when Bergogliowas the strong number two
showing and this is the way thevoting is going to go Four
ballots is the ties for thequickest we've had since 1878,
guys, the quickest ballot we'veever had in the last 150 years
was 1878, which gave us leo the13th, his namesake predecessor.

(26:45):
But, um, this, oh no, sorry,1930, 1939, never mind, but it's
been since 1939, 85 years sincethey beat out in terms of
quicker, fewer, lesser ballots.
What happened here?
This was a foregone conclusion,and the pope's brother just
opened his big mouth.
You're not supposed to admit.
It's the thing is, you kind ofblew it for us ballots.
What happened here?
This was a foregone conclusionand the pope's brother just
opened his big mouth.
You're not supposed to admitit's.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
The thing is you kind of blew it for us, because we
probably would have got anaustin ivory book detailing how
this was the plan from sixmonths ago, but you had to open
your stupid mouth and fight withhim on twitter, and now we'll
never get that book.
So all we have is this littleinterview from the brother I'll
talk to that.
You blew it on us, bro.
Oh my gosh man.
So so what?

(27:29):
Uh?
Where do where does this gofrom here?
Man, this is crazy because youpredicted all of this.
You said they're gonna get aguy like this in and then in in
lockstep immediately.
You're gonna see the pope'splaners try to wash away all the
red flags that we're talkingabout, and I'm already seeing
them bringing up quotes of himfrom 2012, when Benedict was the
Pope, saying talking about,like Matt, uh, same sex things,

(27:51):
and but it's like that's from2012, when Benedict was Pope.
We all know when Francis got in, every one of these guys, the
mass dropped and they changedtheir theology completely on the
Francis.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I'm also seeing for the first time now that he voted
in 2012, 2014, 2016 inRepublican primaries.
Allegedly.
I'm seeing and that's not whatSteph saw Steph saw that he only
changed his voter ID cardstatus to Republican right after
he heard that he was going tobe, a month before he got the

(28:22):
Episcopal nod.
So someone needs to get to theheart of that, because that does
matter very much.
Yeah, sell it somewhere elsepal.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
The church is defined by left and right.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I hate that stuff.
It's all about coalitionbuilding, right?
So here's how it works.
I'm not talking aboutleft-caths, right?
They're just idiots and they'renot Catholic.
I'm talking about amongfaithful Catholics.
The Pope-splainers have been theyoung guys who entered the
church in the last five years.
They're the primaryPope-splainers for Francis,
which we've grown used to, andthey're Novus Ordo-type

(28:57):
Pope-splainers.
They don't like trads.
They bought a lot of Francis'rhetoric.
Even up to and includingtradition is custodians that
they are not going to drop offtheir Pope's planning, and
Twitter has proven it today.
Their response is even like AFpost.
I'm like look, I like a lot ofyou guys' content.
I'm friends with a lot of youguys.
Your, your curial analysis isshit.

(29:18):
Like, trust me, I've studiedthis stuff closely for seven
years seven to 10 years butpublicly made predictions for
for seven years.
You guys don't know what you'retalking about.
Um, they're not going to dropoff.
They're going to keep popesplaining because of, mainly,
their view of the aggregation ofpower political or ecclesial.
What?
What is brilliant about thismafioso move is they're going to
pick up the coalition.

(29:39):
They're just coalition building.
They're going to pick up pope'splanning among the trads now
and they're not going to lose itamong these these.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Uh, yeah, so so if they if he throws us the latin
mass here and there.
Now the trads join the pope'splaners and defending this
craziness and it becomes you andit just segregates you, me and
you segregates.
It segregates us even more, eventhough we're like the.
There's no black pilling for mein this.
To me, this is just part of thestory and it's the same fight

(30:10):
we've been in and I plan oncontinuing the fight.
We're going to do this for fortonight because it's you know,
we got a new Pope and stuff.
But, like, after tonight we'regoing to go back to our regular
scheduled programming and then,if something crazy happens,
we'll discuss it and stuff.
But it's like I just the waythis thing was handled in the

(30:31):
media was, I feel, so silly forbuying into any of it, man, it's
like, and the trad media fellfor it just as hard as anybody
Did you see Michael Matt.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
He's like it could have been way worse I haven't
really researched this guy likeit could have been way worse.
I haven't really researchedthis guy, but it could have been
worse.
I was like so don't open yourtrap if you don't.
I mean he was there in saintpeter's and he didn't see the
punch coming.
I saw the punch coming, but wehad to research him really fast.
I woke up this morning and Isent off this tweet.
I'm really glad I did.
Hey, I just woke up here at 630 CST, that's.

(31:05):
That's early for me and I wantto say now, between the third
and fourth scrutinies, it's notgoing to be one of the major
guys that that the media hasbeen floating and it will be a
Golan group guy and don't expect, don't expect any of these ones
.
I just want to say that we got.
This was before they broke forlunch, I guess, wasn't it?

(31:27):
No, I guess this was rightafter they broke for lunch.
I'm glad I shot that off, but Idid not think it was going to
be a fourth scrutiny.
I did not think it was going tobe a fifth scrutiny.
I thought we would be talkingtonight with black smoke.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, me too, for sure.
I thought tomorrow would be theearliest, I'm like, and I was
hoping for afternoon tomorrow,but I really did not think there
was any chance of that 1130.
So I consistories, creatingover those 10 consistories.
Yeah, what do you make of thesereports?

(32:12):
Yeah, I do want to get intothat.
But what do you make of thesereports?
So some reports saying that Leorequested an indult to say the
TLM during the 90s per thepillar Zoom session today.
Maybe he's a crypto threat, nota chance, right?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
No source behind all that?
No, there is a chance I thinkthey got.
I was, I was texting withGeorge Farmer, with with Michael
Brennan Doherty, who I haven'ttalked much with.
He started DMing me it could bea woke TLM Pope, that's what it
seems to be and that that wouldbe the brilliant move.
So I there is no ultimatesource at the bottom of the

(32:45):
bibliographical trail on that,it's just hearsay.
But I believe that could betrue.
The Latin mass is so importantto me, so important to both of
you, but it's not the be all,end all.
According to the Sankt GallenMafia, they want to push an
ideological doctrinal revolution.
Lexerandi, Lex Credendi, yes,but doctrine is more important
to them than than uh, it's notjust in the church, it's in the

(33:09):
world too.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Like you're not going to have a pope that stands up
with moral clarity to stand upagainst some of the the crazy
things that we're starting tosee in our culture and in our
society.
It's like he's going to, he'sgoing to play the word game in
the word salad game, like allMarxists do, and you'll have
your Latin mass and you'll belike well, let's just keep,
because we were so beaten for solong.

(33:31):
We'll feel it's going to belike you're going to love your
captor.
What is that called?
What's syndrome?
Stockholm syndrome?
Yeah, you're going to haveStockholm syndrome.
You're going to love yourcaptor because he gave you
something.
He gave you a little treat toenjoy even though you're still a

(33:51):
prisoner.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Exactly what do you?
What do you make of theconsistory thing?
Okay, so let's just go throughthe last seven, eight
pontificates and how many, howmany consistories did each hold?
So I want you guys to think interms of consistories, cardinals
created per consistory per yearof the pontificate.
So it's sort of a big divisionproblem.
Francis held 10 consistories in12 years I thought it was 12 in

(34:15):
12 years and he created 163cardinals.
This is record setting.
This is just court packing.
How about Benedict?
Benedict had five consistoriesand he set 120 cardinals in
eight years.
Okay, so not nearly the ratethat Francis was.
John Paul II 27-year-longpontificate, one of the top

(34:37):
three longest pontificates ofall time, and he oh where was it
he?
had nine.
Right, he had nine consistories.
So Francis beat him in 12 years.
He beat him and he created alot of cardinals.
He created 231, but we're goingcardinals per consistory per
year.
Paul the sixth held six uh,consistories 143 cardinals, and

(35:02):
he was a longer pontificate thanfrancis, he was a 15-year
pontificate.
Why did Francis rush to do somany cardinals and so many
consistories?
John XXIII created only 52cardinals and five consistories.
It was five consistories infive years though, so that's
quite a lot too, but he's awell-known liberal.
Pius XII only held twoconsistories and he created 56

(35:24):
cardinals.
See, the conservatives nevertry to win.
They never try to pack thecourts.
That's where we lose.
Pious the 11th held he becauseof what was going on during his
tenure.
He had 17 consistories, but heonly created 76 cardinals, so
for some reason he was onlycoming up with five cardinals
per consistory.
So that doesn't count.
Benedict XV only fiveconsistories.

(35:47):
He created 32 cardinals.
That's only six, and that wasin an eight-year pontificate.
Like Benedict, pius X created50 cardinals in seven
consistories.
What do you know?
Francis beats them all.
Personnel is destiny, not justpolicy.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah it's like hard and, and not just that, like it
was you.
Like prevost elevates mackleroy, like he he's in charge of
bishops, he's the one puttingthese guys in key positions,
getting rid of strickland,putting mackleroy in dc like and
he knows every bishop aroundthe world, cause it wasn't.

(36:25):
Was it just in America that hewas in charge of that?
Was that worldwide?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Like was he the prefect for the dicastery of
Bishop?
He is one of the curial guy.
He's like number five in thechurch.
He was just kept out of, uh, hewas just kept out of the
spotlight spotlight, yeah, butthen so I'm not saying he was
not papabula or he's a no one.
I'm saying what they werefeeding to the media, that that
everyone was buying, whatthey're even feeding, I guess,

(36:50):
to vegas odds makers.
He was still like the numberfive in the church.
He was the guy that thatvisited strickland and and acts
strickland and he's the guy thatdid all the bad, um, uh,
surprising, oh, oh yeah, and I'mhow about this last article I
sent you, rob?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
let's just check what hey got whoa?
Wow, that is quite the superchat.
Oh my god, listen, not fornothing.
Tim's got donors, everybody'sgot donors.
Where are all my richmillennials that are going to
stop being donors?
I want to go to rome on thenext conclave.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
You guys got to be kidding me.
There's no rich millennials.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
The boomers still have it all.
Hey guys return to Catholicismabout a year ago after I found
the show, return to thesacraments and have a prayer
life, now Wanted to show mythanks.
I love how you guys talk aboutyoung men and how awful dating
is for us.
Maybe it's a trial that weyoung guys need to console with
Christ's passion while puttingourselves out there.

(37:48):
Love the show.
Thank you, house Music Very,very grateful.
That is awesome, rob.
Why don't you pull up thearticle I sent last, the Daily
Compass article?
So pedophile priests cover up,cast shadow over Prevost
Cardinal who selects bishops?
Now this is.
This is from 2024, from themoment robert prevost was

(38:09):
appointed prefect for thedicastery for bishops.
In 2023, attempts to erase theclues about how he covered up
two priests accused of whateverin his diocese of chiquillo,
peru, have multiplied, includingthe persecution of the alleged
victim's lawyer and theappointment of a friendly bishop
.
A new scandal in the Vatican,allegations of abuse against two

(38:29):
priests and accusations againstthe bishop for covering them up
.
In itself, unfortunately, thisis nothing new, but the bishop
in question in the this is crazythat they actually allowed
somebody with this kind of pastto step out there to me, I know
I know they said they wanted toavoid scandal, didn't they?

(38:51):
like what is going on.
So, tim, how do you think thisgame's out?
Because I do want to play theuh larry chap clips because
they're so interesting to me,because he specifically said if
we get a francis, the second,this is what we're going to do.
Rob, play the first one.
We played the first one.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
We played the second one.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, play the second one, because this was like
bonkers to me when he said it onCale's show.
Cale almost didn't pick up onit.
I'm like are you going to justlet this hang?

Speaker 6 (39:17):
Hanging on by our fingernails.
We want to just have a goodPope this next time around.
If they elect Francis II andhe's actually even worse than
Pope Francis then the thinkingis we're just going to say to
hell with it.
We're going to create somealternative ecclesial reality of

(39:39):
some, not a ProtestantReformation type thing.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
But so then we're really what you're saying, then
we're really going into a kindof an Avignon type situation.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
Yeah, that's fascinating.
Yeah, In other words, a realschism where a bunch of
Catholics might say we no longer.
It's kind of a se de vacantething, Not really saying that
the Pope isn't the Pope, butsaying you know what?
He's an idiot and we're goingto elect our own Pope.

(40:09):
We don't like this one, we'regoing to elect our own over here
.
And you might end up in rivalPopes.
You might.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
This is that to me to hear from Larry Chapp.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Lawrence Chapp.
Lawrence W Chapp I don't knowwhat his middle name is.
That was shocking.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Like I cannot believe what, because to me the thought
of going Sedebicante doesn'teven occur to me.
I've lived through this for 12years.
I'm not even like.
I'm like and the things theyaccused you of, the things they
accused Taylor of, it's like thetragedy to try to split the
church and then he pops out withsomething like that he's not
even saying like he said.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
He's not saying they don't think that he would be the
pope.
They're saying we don't carethat you're the pope, we want a
different one and we're going toelect a separate.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
So when he said that I'm like wait, and Cale kind of
just let it go, and I'm likeexcuse me, what is going on here
?
So I just said, do you thinkthere's a possibility of two
claimants coming from thisconclave?
Because if I mean tim, with theletter you sent to burke, like
do you still leave room for somecrazy thing to happen after?

(41:12):
Because I'm really curious tosee what sarah and burke and
erdo all the guys we heard wereon our side I'm really curious
to see how they handle this newelection if they saw the same
exact shenanigans that happenedwith France that's happened in
this one.
Are they going to just stand bysilently?
Is Mueller going to just standby silently?

Speaker 4 (41:31):
I think Burke's already put out a letter Today.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, what did he say ?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
He already accepted it.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I think Saran is too, positive.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
What did he say?
Let me see if I can find it.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So all hopes of some craziness happening in this
conclave are gone.
They're just everything's justgo along to get along.
They must have struck a dealwith them in the back and said
we'll let this go through if youjust give them the Latin mass
back, or something Like it wasinteresting that he takes the
name Leo the 14th.
And he came out Like do youremember Francis coming out on
that loggia in the white, justthe plain white cassock?

(42:09):
How, how, like jarring that wasso.
Cardinal, cardinal Burke, pleasejoin me in thanking our Lord
for the election of Pope Leo the14th, successor of St Peter, as
the shepherd of the churchthroughout the world.
The shrine of Our Lady ofGuadalupe at La Crosse has a

(42:30):
particularly strong bond withthe Roman Pontiff, especially
through its affiliation with thePapal Basilica of St Mary Major
.
I urge all pilgrims and friendsof the Shrine to pray fervently
for Pope Leo XIV and Our Lord.
Through the intercession of OurLady of Guadalupe, st Peter,
apostle and Pope, st Leo theGreat, We'll grant him abundant
wisdom, strength and courage todo all that our Lord is asking
him in these tumultuous times.
May God bless Pope Leo andgrant him many years.
This is wild.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I don't understand this man temperamental.
I don't understand that and Ihadn't seen that.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So look.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Okay, here's what I'll say.
I think Syrah is something, too, I can find.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
So, like before we came on tonight, rob was like I
don't know, man, it's the newPope, it's Pope Leo XIV.
Like your Catholicsensibilities do kick in a
little bit, right, tim, whereit's like, should we give the
guy a chance?
But even though it's impossible, when you know what you know,

(43:27):
like when you know the it's,it's almost impossible to even
say okay, let's, it's.
It's just crazy.
Like you, your Catholicsensibility is just be faithful
to the Pope and don't, you know,don't cause problems.
But I also don't want to benaive about what we're dealing
with here.
It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
My Aristotelian sensibilities kick in at all
times.
I just don't have theauthoritarian thing that I guess
you're identifying withCatholic sensibilities.
My Aristotelian sensibility isI love my friend Plato, but I
love the truth more andtherefore, with all of my
philosophy, I'm pretending to beAristotle.
I'm going to shit all overPlato because it's not true.

(44:01):
Platonism is a joke.
It's false.
That's the sensibility thatcomes out when he's got.
He's clearly the favorite ofFather James Martin SJ, san
Egidio and he and the twocardinalate pope makers were
Mara Diaga and Cupich.
No, I don't need to hearanything else.
That's my Catholic sensibilityis the quest for truth.

(44:23):
I'll cite Bernard Lonergan foryou guys.
Bernard Lonergan says we have apure desire to know.
I want to know the truth.
That's my Catholic sensibility.
We are not actually Popeworshipers.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So, Cardinal Sarraza, God cares for us, God loves all
of us and evil will not prevail.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
It's just a quote from his speech, from Leo's
speech.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
It's just a quote from his speech, from Leo's
speech, so he quoted.
Pope Leo.
Xiv's speech.
Man, it's so.
How do you see this working out, Tim?
What do you see happening?
You have to have some kind ofideas of what plays out here.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I don't know if.
Well, now I have zero hope.
I had I had one to 2% hope thatCardinal Burke had had some
based Cardinals over to hisplace for for for pizza and
bocce ball, and a dual conclave,a proto conclave, to to put in
to enact an insurance policy, abackward looking one on the

(45:26):
Francis pontificate, the like ofwhich I described on my show
the last couple of weeks, and afrontward looking one to elect
their own guy in case this guy'sbad, which he is.
And now that I read I heard Robread the Burke letter, I just
have zero hope.
I have zero hope that anythinggood will happen.

(45:46):
It doesn't mean I'm notCatholic, it'll just be probably
12 to 24 years of Francis IIand he's going to trick a bunch
of the trads.
I think this might happen, I'mnot sure, with some boons.
There are going to be somefeathers in the cap and then,
truly, guys like you and I aregoing to be Vox Clamantis in

(46:09):
Deserto.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I tweeted out like two weeks ago, I said I don't
want.
No, that was November.
In November, no, no, no.
I tweeted out recently the JohnPaul II one, let me see.
On April 24th it said John PaulIII or Benedict XVII will not
save the church.
Give me Leo XIV or Francis II,no, in between, Wow.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
But you had a similar tweet back in November, even
Back in.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
November, when Trump won, I said presidential
election is locked.
Next we'll lock in the conclave.
Pope Leo XIV is on his way andholy cow man.
But just the look.
Okay, we're getting intoaccelerationism, because this is
what me and you spoke aboutwhen I was on with you last week
.
It's like I didn't want aninterim pope, I wanted this.

(47:03):
Like I want this thing to comedown because it's so rotten.
It cannot continue, and I thinkmore people like you're saying
you think it's going to go theother way, where people are
going to be dragged over to thepope's planer side and things
like that, where I think, if youaccelerate things, more people
will wake up.
Like we've woken a lot ofpeople up over the past seven

(47:26):
years, specifically Like since2017, a lot of people have been
like this is I've had enough.
I can't take this.
So do you think those couple ofnuggets they throw to trads are
really going to put people backto sleep?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Trads and I.
You know people don't knowwhere to stick me among the
trads, but I consider myself atrad in the slightly broader
context.
I care about doctrine even morethan the Latin mass, but I love
the Latin mass.
I hate the Novus Ordo, just soeveryone starts saying extra
mean things about me.
You can say mean things aboutme, but don't say extra mean

(47:57):
things about me.
Trads that mainly care aboutthe liturgy and don't care as
much about doctrine are theolder rank and file trads of the
80s and 90s.
They are like a song with onenote and they're simplistically
handled.
That's why I believe we mighthave been given a Nordamericano

(48:20):
that maybe is a little lesshostile to it.
All he has to do is repealTraditiones, Custodias and say
nice things about the Latinlanguage, Ecclesiastical Latin,
and then the trads will bepacified and it will work.
I don't know if he'll be worsethan Francis, but he's going to
continue doing the Francisagenda.
That's what Cardinal WalterCasper said.

(48:40):
I haven't been able to find.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
That's what his own brother said.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I haven't been able to find.
That's what his own brothersaid.
His brother said he'll beFrancis II.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
That's the clip I thought you were going to play.
I thought you were going toplay a clip of the brother
saying he's going to be FrancisII.
I wasn't expecting him to sayoh yeah, I found that a day
after the Pope passed that hewas in the top three, Because
it's all so wild, but I thinkhe'll just be Francis II.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I think he's going to keep going.
Remember, guys this is the keyway to cover the explanatory gap
Uncle Ted McCarrick said atVillanova, six months after we
got Francis, that Francis hesaid this triumphalistically
will be able to change thechurch in five years.
Give this guy five years andhe'll change the whole face of

(49:21):
the church.
They were all shocked by thenorth american conservative
catholic pushback and and theyhad those.
Remember, in 2014, cardinal um,one of the four dubia cardinals
, one of the two surviving onescardinal walter bramuller said
what the four or five agendaitems of the gaul and mafia were
.
It's communion for divorce andcivil we were married very pro
body women, deacons,intercommunion with luther and

(49:44):
sometimes people have lumpedinto that overturning Vita.
What is it over?
Overturning the ban oncontraception?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
It's been a long time , okay.
So wait a minute.
Okay.
So we're looking at marriedpriests, we're looking at
intercommunion is the one thatscares me even more than married
priests.
Married priests is like one ofthose things where Not that big
of a deal.
It depends how they handle it.
If they just make like anavenue for it, it's like, okay,
so you get some good married menin there, it might even

(50:18):
backfire on them.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
But I doubt it.
Eastern Catholics have it.
It doesn't violate doctrine.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
It's not that bad.
Eastern catholics already haveit, yeah, yeah so.
So married priest isn't a dealbreaker, but intercommunion, to
me, is just the greatestsacrilege, because just like
allowing communion for thedivorce and remarried by
allowing people to approach thesacrament that haven't gone to
confession, things like thatlike you're just talking about
widespread sacrilege at thatpoint and you and you see that
is what they were like leaningtowards under francis, even by
him inviting all these people torome to let go and celebrate

(50:51):
their fake liturgies in saintpeter's, things like that and
the german sonata way, was doingit.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
heiner wilmer, who was francis's first choice for
number two once he fired mueller, then fired cardinal ladaria,
ferrer, federer, whatever hisname is, he picked Heiner Wilmer
.
Heiner Wilmer was a big fan ofthis.
So what I was saying?
Just to connect the dots,Francis's agenda had to go far
slower than all of the mafiosi.

(51:17):
The Sankt Gallen guys thoughtit would go In eight years.
They didn't accomplish half ofwhat uncle Ted said he would
accomplish in five.
All they accomplished was aMorris Letizia with a definitive
check Um the Amazon synod atthe outbreak of COVID.
That was supposed to becheckmark number two.
Women deacons, Remember theattachment document at the

(51:38):
Amazon synod Carita, Amazonia,that was supposed to be it.
He had to back it off becausethey were so shocked by the
American pushback.
So it went slower and theycouldn't believe how much
American conservative pushbackthey were getting.
So now they're like, let's getan American conservative in
there.
Maybe they had him, I don'tknow start voting Republican
earlier, if that's true, that hewas actually voting in

(52:00):
Republican primaries and we'lladdress that.
And he will just continuegetting agenda items two, three,
four.
So he might just be identicalto Francis on the key issues.
He won't be identical in allways, though.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, yeah, no.
And even the him registering asa Republican thing, like, and
because I saw Charlie Kirktweeted out today, he's like I'm
seeing that the guy waspro-life.
It's like the pro-life thing issuch low-hanging fruit and I
don't mean that it's notimportant, but it's like I
watched Cardinal Wuerl, Iwatched Cardinal McCarrick all
of them going to the March forLife every year.

(52:34):
They know exactly what to sayto get you to let your guard
down so that you think they're agood guy.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I mean, this is One of the Golan or lavender mafia
or even the German sonata waysissues.
They never cared about genderideology, so shut the front door
about.
Francis was anti genderideology Cause?
Cause they're a bunch of homos.
They don't.
They're not trannies yeah,they're a bunch of homos, so
they don't care about that andalmost don't care about abortion

(53:02):
.
They don't have to worry aboutit because they're not running
around, uh, laying pipe with theladies.
They're not impregnating theladies.
So don't tell me that thoseevidence are a rightward shift.
It's nonsense.
So so what?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
hope do we have now?
So, like because I had I've hadseveral phone calls today from
a lot of normies that, like that, like just my phone's been
ringing all day, not not fromlike podcast friends, from like
just regular friends.
Like, what does this mean?
What does this mean?
And it's like I don't see it asbeing much different as the
past 12 years.
Like you're, you're going tostill have your sacraments,

(53:35):
you're going to go to mass,you're going to pray your rosary
and you're going to just liveout the Catholic faith and try
to be a saint.
Like I don't know why peoplewould blackpill on this.
It's the same thing.
You're just going to see theculture degenerate way more
because the church is not goingto be there to be the stalwart
against this stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Exactly, exactly.
This is exactly what I'm saying.
It's basically going to beFrancis too.
I don't think it's going to besignificantly worse.
I think the first couple ofyears when even some of the
trads might have the rosecolored glasses on, they just
bought themselves another two orthree years to make nice and to
have it be easier than theclimate was for Pope Francis.

(54:13):
I don't think he's going to bea lot worse.
I think he'll be similar and Ithink he's going to push the
Golan agenda.
Remember Cardinal Casper firstproposed agenda item one,
communion for the divorce, andcivilly remarried in a jp2 synod
in 1982.
These guys called the long gameand this is what the permanent
instruction of the alt of inditasaid they were going to do, and

(54:34):
what's they've done?
So it's just, it's just morefrancis, and that's what that's
what the people forget about thealt of indita.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
The alt of indita has been a century or more long
plan to not get a Freemason asPope, but to get a Pope who's
just in line with theFreemasonic ideals.
So when Francis passed, theFreemasons were like, hey, he
was our guy, it's sad that he'sgone.
So now, if you get another guy,that's just like that, but he's

(55:04):
a little more savvy, especiallyto the american way of thinking
.
Because francis really did have, like a, an allergy to america.
He was south american and hejust despised america.
That was what was sointeresting about them getting
an american.
It's like you.
You would think they would havesaid, okay, america is this
huge superpower, we don't wantto align the church with america

(55:25):
, but they would just thinkabout that alone.
They would never elect a guywho has right-leaning views,
who's from America.
It would just never, ever, everhappen.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Of course not.
Of course not.
Um and Ryan, my friend Ryan,who came on the podcast a couple
of times, he's actuallystarting um, um, uh, work and
pray side and he's going to dosome youtube bids.
He's going to go live todaywith his first, but youtube
blocked it.
Um, he just said, it just hitme.
Leo the 13th wrote an encyclicalon america.
Oh, on americanism, we're onamericanism.

(56:00):
So that that's a.
That's a little.
That's a little nod there.
Also, you might not know this,but liberals clueless like shit
libs in the church, morons havethe kind that would teach at
Catholic school in the 90s andearly 2000s.
They would try to claim RerumNovarum, as always, the leftist
document.

(56:20):
This was very common in the 90sand early 2000s.
It's not claimed anymore.
But that that's the kind ofstuff we're talking about.
If we got a sort of boomer shitlib, oh, rear of Navarro's
leftism nonsense.
And you heard, I think, JamesMartin and you heard some CNN
people reporting on this is whyLeo for the 14th might've picked

(56:41):
his name.
I think that's right togetherwith the Americanism bit.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, he's, you know he he's gonna.
It was just like francispicking francis.
It was the same thing, likefrancis didn't pick a
post-conciliar name either.
He picked francis because theyhave this hippie version of
francis, of saint francis, intheir head that they've always
tried to like, uh, take over andput forth right, like the whole

(57:06):
thing with Francis being aclimate guy or something because
he spoke to animals.
They've always tried to co-optthe narrative of St Francis and
that's why Francis picked thatname.
He's going to pick Leo the 14th.
We wanted Leo the 14th becausewe thought he'd be based.
But he's going to pick Leo the14th because they're going to
cherry pick some of the thingsLeo did and they're going to

(57:27):
co-op them and put them to theirown purposes.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Well, and they know how to play the one note songers
out there, the, the onlyliturgical, the, the, the, the
trat, the liturgy, only trads.
They're just going to be likeoh, these guys love Leo the 13th
.
He's like my favorite Pope.
I was saying I wanted to Leothe 14th too, but it's gonna buy
it.
Buys them some time, bro,that's all they're doing.

(57:50):
That.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Buys them six to twelve months, just with that
pontifical name well, look whathappened, even with the garvey
war on the loggia.
You like war to moretraditional and everybody's like
falling over themselves they'reall.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
They're all shitting in their pants in a happy way.
I, you know, I'm shitting in mypants over a sad way.
We all, we all need a change ofpants today and literally that
that garb he wore bottom.
Another six to twelve months ofpushing the ball forward.
These are the long, the winterwarriors, the winter soldiers.
They're in it for the long gameor permanent destruction of the

(58:22):
alt of vendita.
If he repeals traditioniscustodians, that's another 18
months.
Right there, they're buyingthemselves time to get more of
the they're gonna ratchet itback a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
This guy's young, he's 69, so the first year and a
half could be all gifts to usto make us let our guard down
and think we have a good pope,right.
But this, this is what did itfor me.
A chance encounter with fathermartin and austin ivory reveals
their papal candidate.
While strolling around BorgoPio, I ran into none other than
the Jesuit James Martin andBritain Austin Ivory, two of the

(58:55):
most enthusiastic supporters ofPope Francis' pontificate and
tireless defenders of thesynodal, inclusive and
dialogue-oriented approach, atleast on paper.
Upon seeing them, my friend andtravel companion wanted to say
hello.
So we introduced ourselveswe're from InfoVaticana.
The reaction was immediate andfrankly revealing.
James Martin, author ofBuilding a Bridge, that book

(59:17):
that claims to build bridgesbetween the church and those on
the margins, turned his back onus without saying a word.
No dialogue, no bridge, noteven a greeting, just a wall,
quite telling we must not be histype, oh gosh.
Austin Ivory, on the other hand, did speak to us, though
perhaps he wishes he hadn'tVisibly upset, and increasingly

(59:39):
so as the conversation went on.
He stood up, came over to usand strongly reproached us for
the campaign he believes we'rerunning against Cardinal Robert
Prevost.
Very interesting campaignyou're running against Prevost,
he said with a tone mixed withanger and frustration.
When we replied no, not againstPrevost, against the culture of
cover-up in the church.
Are you now in favor of that?
The discomfort was palpable.
Nervously, ivorite, referencedthe sodalitium as supposed

(01:00:06):
origin of information.
When we explain that there aremany cases, all documented, he
sarcastically insisted that theinfo about Ikana always has more
, referring to the documentswe've been publishing on this
matter.
His reaction left no doubt.
Prevost was their man, thecandidate in whom they had
placed all their hopes.
The scene could not have beenmore telling.
Just hours before the conclavebegins, the insiders are nervous

(01:00:29):
, not because anyone isslandering pre-boss, but because
the truth is coming to light,because the documents, the
testimonies and omissions arethere, documented and published,
and more are on the way.
Like that was their guy.
Like you said, this has beenvery long in the making.
They made him not say anythingthat we could just pin him down
on that.
He said something like thatwhole campaign of John Henry

(01:00:52):
Weston and Bishop Stricklandbefore.
Like it, before Francis evenpassed, when he got sick a few
weeks back.
They were like we cannot accepta heretical Pope and we can't
allow this man to get universaljurisdiction.
Him coming out in all thatbeautiful papal garb picking the
name leo the 14th is so thatall of us go, let's give him a

(01:01:14):
chance, like don't.
Let him get his peacefulacceptance.
The first year is going to behim giving us treats here and
there.
But he even gave his thesis onthat, loja, today, when he said
synodality is the way forward,dialogue open to the church, all
that stuff.
That this is what we have, guys.
You don't have to blackpillabout it.
It just is what it is.

(01:01:34):
It's what the church has beenand we're in for a battle.
You were born for combat.
You're still in combat.
Nothing's changed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Exactly, by the way.
By the way, a hat tip toAmerican Reform, one of my
favorite Twitter accounts.
He just sent me Leo the 14th isanti-death penalty.
Francis too, and I.
I just retweeted it.
Follow me on Twitter at TimothyE ology If you want it.
I can read it in a second, doyou want?

(01:02:08):
Can you read that, ste steffy?
I just retweeted it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
american reform american reform on april 18th
2022.
Then robert cardinal prevostgave an interview to la
republica where he said quote,not personally but the church
teaches that the death penaltyis is inadmissible.
The store in the story by thenews outlet.
The prelate was described asfollows Following the abuse

(01:02:32):
suffered by a girl in theLembeyesk region, the bishop of
the Diocese of Chicleo,monsignor Robert Prevost,
rejected these violent acts thatgenerated indignation among the
population.
However, he said that thechurch does not accept the death
penalty and proposes joint workto avoid similar situations for

(01:02:54):
justice to prevail.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
So anti-death penalty .
Add that to your list.
People I mean that's onlyradicals are anti-death penalty.
That's a really radicalposition for the church because
it's so anti-Jesus talking toPontius Pilate, so anti-St Paul,
so anti the whole Bible.
Death penalty stances arereally really particular to only

(01:03:19):
two popes JP II, francis, andnow three popes Leo XIV, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Were there any other highlights that you came across?
I thought it was interesting,even the idea that the USAID
money they're trying to fightpopulism so they put an American
in.
That's up against Trump, likejust that stark contrast and I
think this will probably benefitTrump in some way.
I don't know, it's so weird howthey they think they're doing

(01:03:49):
one thing and it winds upbackfiring on them always, um,
always right, like they thinkthey're gonna do something and
it's gonna, but it's just gonnawant.
I mean, they put mackleroy indc and now they have an american
, but I cannot believe we havean american quote.
It is going to be bizarre.
It is you're perfectly americanenglish in interviews it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
It was so weird.
No, we haven't look.
Can we talk about that for asecond?
It's gonna be bizarre to hearperfectly american english in
interviews.
Also, it's a little scary forguys that do what you and I do,
because he understands it, itbeing the american social media
right-wing Catholic pushbackbetter than Francis.
I don't know how shrewd he isabout it, he's still 69.

(01:04:30):
Boomers don't really get stufflike that, but he gets it better
than Francis.
It always baffled Francis andI'm now worried about things
like threat of excommunicationEpiscopal threats of
excommunication.
I don't know about you that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
This is a whole yeah dude, like there's, there's a
chance, like some of you guysthat are doing this that are
bigger, like the bigger guys,like you or Taylor or like some
of you guys, might get likepersonally called out Like they
know.
You guys, this isn't Francis inRome, who's from South America.
This is a Bishop from Chicagowho understands the American

(01:05:05):
landscape and understands theopposition he's going to be
facing.
Like you, you, you saw Viganoget excommunicated Do you not
think a guy like father Dave Nixis going to be on the chopping
block?
Like are you kidding me?
This is all going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
I know it kind of makes me wish I hadn't fucked
with Austin ivory last week,cause I mean I was, and I've
literally been tweeting at himever since then.
I it's uncomfortable, bro.
I mean he's been to wrigleyfield and he knows what the hell
a hot dog is, but it's got morelethal implications for guys
like you or me no, it reallydoes, though that's not even

(01:05:42):
like downplaying it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
This guy responded to you before the conclave.
This is the guy who was thepapal biographer for the last
Pope.
He's now responding to youpersonally on Twitter,
addressing some of the thingsyou're saying.
Like you think you're justgoing to go to me, you may get
an excommunication from yourBishop.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I'm right, I'm.
I'm actually really frightened.
Yeah, I mean all they have togive you a warning and I've
always got the pivot point.
I mean God, god willing,deasville the main thing I
planned on talking about in 2025, um, papal death or no papal
death has been the, the, theculture creation, the internet,

(01:06:24):
breaking the shockwave of what awoman is Cause that that
movie's going to come out andit's going to break everything,
everything bad culturallyspeaking, in the Anglosphere.
So I'm going to pivot totalking about that.
I I've only temporarily pivotedto talk talking about the Pope.
Again, I was done talking aboutFrancis.
I've said everything I everneeded to say about Francis and

(01:06:45):
there there's no more to thatstory.
But now we have francis too, sowe have to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I'll be happy it's day one like can we?
That's what?
So, okay, so rob, like I saidbefore we came on, rob was even
debating.
He's like I don't know if Ieven want to come on, like I
don't know, let's give the guy,just because his catholic
sensibilities were kicking inand I was like that's, it's a
good instinct, like I understandit.
But it's day one like I want tojust come in and lay it out on
the table and then we figure outkind of a battle plan and what

(01:07:10):
we're going to do.
And what we're going to do isjust live our lives as catholics
and we're going to go to massand hope that things don't get
so chaotic that we're like Idon't want to talk about the
pope, it's just the firstfreaking day.
The guy just came out.
How do you not discuss this?

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
I I know what do you say, rob oh, I mean, I think I
think we need to go over,obviously, what he's done in sid
as a priest, as a bishop, as asa cardinal.
Um, we need to know who waselected and we should discuss

(01:07:45):
that.
But obviously we can't judgehis papacy yet right, and I
don't think any of us are or aretrying to do that.
You know, we have to wait tosee what he does and actually
says as Pope, but no, we shoulddefinitely discuss who he is,
why he was elected, who maybeelected him, for what reasons,

(01:08:05):
and things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yeah, why he was elected.
Who maybe elected him, for whatreasons, and things of that
nature.
Yeah, don't you think whoelected him is more important
than really what he does?
The next, the next three to sixmonths, what he does will all
be first hundred days crap andit's all going to be boons and
positioning and preliminaryposturing.
What's far more important isout there now.
It's who were the kingmakershere, and it was mara diaga
supich and at the non level, thelower level than the cardinal,

(01:08:34):
it even james martin sj.
That that's all I need to knowsorry, you saw a whirl.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
You saw a whirl smiling from ear to ear, also
out in the crowd today.
Yeah, there was.
There was video of him reallyhappy.
Um I, you know, I think therewas a very uh like a tight-knit
group of guys who knew exactlywhat was going to happen.
They got the exact, exactoutcome they were going to get.
I also think it'll beinteresting to see um how they

(01:09:00):
hit like I don't know whatpeople interviews are going to
look like anymore.
Remember, like all those crazyairplane interviews francis
would give, like I, I wonder ifthis guy will, this guy, if pope
leo the 14th will handle thingsa little differently than
francis's outlandish style, likeI think we're all going to be
lulled into, yeah, this guy'snot so bad like I'm prepared for

(01:09:22):
it.
But you know what?
Enjoy that period of you.
Know a little bit of peace,just know what we have, that's
all just like.
Know a little bit of peace,just know what we have, that's
all.
Just understand what you'rereally dealing with.
And when the next synod comesup, just expect you're not going
to get a correction of themistakes, it's just going to
keep continuing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
And that's what we're dealing with Agreed.
I'm almost 100% certain he'llbe a lot nicer than Francis,
because Francis was just one ofthe meanest guys ever so yeah so
for him to be as mean as france.
Francis was just mean toeveryone, remember.
He called.
He called all the media, peopleshit eaters.
He called us coprophagia.

(01:10:01):
I didn't even know what thehell a cop phagiac was.
I didn't know you could.
Who called us shit?

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
eaters.
Man, there was some fun.
There was some fun francishighlights despite the mayhem,
but you know, what was reallyfun was the interregnum.
Interregnum was very enjoyable.
It was like you had like two,two weeks of like no pressure.
You nobody could call you a setof a contest or a crypto
setting.
It was like there's nobody forme to like.
We're all in this boat.

(01:10:31):
It was a really enjoyable twoweeks that we had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I said that to Steph when we were walking.
We did a little walk rightbefore I came on with you.
And I just I mean, look, I'mnot a huge authoritarian guy,
but I'm a monarchist because I'ma Catholic.
The pope is a monarch, but Ienjoy.
I enjoy aristocracy much morethan than monarchy.
Even if monarchy istheoretically the best foreign
government, I accept it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
But I enjoyed the interrenium too, so much
especially because, like, westill knew, like, the authority
of peter is still there.
There's just nobody in thechair.
It's not like we're denying thepapacy, we're not denying.
It's not like we're goingprotest papacy, we're not
denying.
It's not like we're goingProtestant.
During that time, you're stillvery Catholic.
And then, plus, you got to seethe beauty of the Catholic faith
on full display before theentire world, which is always a

(01:11:17):
sight to behold, like it reallyis.
I said to my wife last night,like we were just laying in bed
talking, I was like it is sofreaking awesome being Catholic,
like and I was like it is sofreaking awesome being Catholic,
like it's so exciting when youget events like this coming up,
there's always something tofocus on.
Like I think a lot of showsshould maybe focus in on doing
some, maybe some church historystuff, maybe some stuff on the

(01:11:40):
fathers, maybe even studying theAryan heresy, to like give you
something typological to compareit to.
Like we're going to have to dosome deep dives into some crises
in the church in the past andstuff, so that we understand,
look, it's still Christ churchit's.
You know, there's still.
I see it like this.
I've said it 19 times already,but yeah, we're in the passion

(01:12:00):
of the church.
But it's going to look so badthat you're going to think all
hope is lost.
And then God is going to dosomething dramatic.
So that you're going to thinkall hope is lost, and then God
is going to do somethingdramatic so that you cannot
mistake it was God's doing likewe, like it could be something
linked with the third secret ofFatima, where a city's half in
ruins, something like that.
Like we don't know what it'sgoing to look like, but it's

(01:12:23):
going to be interesting and it'sstill fun to be Catholic.
And it's still amazing because,even with all of these things
we're talking about, the wholeworld is still looking to Rome,
because Rome is the mostimportant seat in the entire
history of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Nick Fuentes had an excellent tweet today, something
to the effect of like the wholeworld wants to be Catholic,
Come on.
You've been on this note, buthe's a guy who really gets it
and he was like everyone wantscome on.
Rome's at the center of theworld, Just admit it.
Everyone wants to beProtestants, EOs, Jews, Muslims,
miscellaneous, as ReverendLovejoy calls it Apu Nahasapima

(01:12:57):
Petalon.
You know the miscellaneousbrown guys that worship like 20
million.
Sorry if my language is alittle bawdy for this show, I
should have asked.
I forgot On.
Sorry, if my language is alittle bawdy for this show, I
should have asked.
I forgot On my show.
I kind of let go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
A lot of women in chat are really upset at you
right now, Tim.
A lot of girls.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I wasn't trying to get all the girls bitching in
chat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
You guys have to know Tim's got a potty mouth by now.
Come on, we've been watchinghim for years, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
I'm telling them they're in there, they're,
they're upset, they're mad.
Sorry ladies, sorry, I knowit's impolite to to talk shit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
It's super mean.
But come on, we're just beinghonest here.
Just grow up girls.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
All right, grow up, get mature, we're all adults.
You did like three hours offthe cuff today and it was really
amazing to watch you just likehandling information coming in
on the spot.
Man, I was just sitting thereand all watching because you
didn't know anything about theguy at first and you, just like
I was, I was texting you stuffto like give you material for
the show.
I'm like, oh, check this out,check this out.

(01:13:58):
But it was just so awesome towatch this, this dramatic moment
where the Pope comes out on theloggia and then just all this
information comes flooding.
Where the Pope comes out on theloja and then just all this
information comes flooding.
I'm telling you, I watchedTaylor today and Taylor was just
like whoa, he just lookedoverwhelmed.
I saw I talked to MichaelHichborn same thing.
Like what's funny is you'regoing to see a lot of guys come

(01:14:19):
out and try to sugarcoat this.
I watched Eric Sammons and TimFlanders today and they were
trying to sugarcoat this andstuff.
But behind the scenes, all yourfavorite guys are texting each
other doom and gloom.
It's like we're screwed thisand that, but it's just why not
just get out and say it and thenwe'll deal with it as it comes,
like it's going to be instancesof things happening and we'll

(01:14:40):
handle them as they come.
It is what it is Like.
Come on, I'm not going to sithere and pretend.
It is what it is Like.
Come on, I'm not going to sithere and pretend.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Yeah, thanks for the compliment and thanks for
sending me.
You sent me I think they'reboth from you the two most true
North articles that.
That enabled me to find mybearing relatively quickly, and
then I was pursuing some stufflive on air.
So so, thanks for that.
And, uh, I think you're you'reprobably the closest to me on
this and I knew you were goinginto the conclave.
So, yeah, just just hold, holdfast, it's it's.

(01:15:08):
He is francis too.
I don't think he.
I think he's going to be a lotmore tactful for the for the
first couple of years.
He's not going to start sayingthat we reproduce like rabbits,
or who am I to judge?
But he's going to be francistoo.
Just just hold fast with me.
Strong there, anthony.
And uh, we'll see.
Time will tell.

(01:15:28):
I have this tidbit.
I had way better info.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
If you've got anything you want to throw in.
One funny thing I did see today.
I saw Matt Fradd and Scott Hahnlive on air, get the
information that we got a newpope, and the two of them were
also on air.
What do you mean?
We got a new pope.
He's calling himself Leoo andas they're reading about him,

(01:15:55):
you just see their face of likeshock droop and they're like oh,
oh wait, oh, he's very in linewith francis on divorce and
remarried catholics receivingcommunion.
Oh, wait, he's this.
Oh and like.
As they're reading, they'relike, okay, like you just saw
the weight of everythingdropping on them, but they're
like, let's just, let's just saythree hail marys right now.
It's like dude, we're all inthis together.
I don't care what, what thepope's leaders say about me.

(01:16:17):
It's the day of the freakingelection of the pope.
We're finding things out, we'regoing to talk about it.
You guys can be mad is what itis, but any of the tidbits
before we get off for sure yeah,I like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
I like that expression very much.
You know me behind the scenes.
I'm a very kind of all for oneguy.
When we actually talk, and Ilove that expression, we're all
in it together because we arejust don't start lying.
I hate, I hate lying, I just I.
I'm a guy, I really I'm astraight talker.
I love the truth.
I'm a former academic that hadto clean up my language, not

(01:16:48):
necessarily not the potty mouth,but I mean get it, get it out
of the the, the academicparlance.
So I now have just found a lovefor not just the truth I always
had that but but straight talkand um, we're all in it together
, even if we talk about itslightly in slightly different
terms.
Just, please, no one startlying.
You know we'll give him creditwhere credit's due.

(01:17:10):
I think he does think morehighly, regard more highly the
TLM than Francis, but thatdoesn't mean much.
But dig this.
Pope Leo XIV's first televisedmass with the College of
Cardinals will be on Friday, maythe 9th, at 11 am local time.
That's five your guys' time,four, my time, anthony and Rob.
The Mass will be celebrated inthe Sistine Chapel and broadcast

(01:17:31):
live on Vatican News YouTubechannel and EWTN, global
Catholic Network.
Did you know Bishop Stricklandalso went on Glenn Beck this
afternoon?
No, oh, that I'm going to gowatch.
Right now I have to go on,quite frankly, his podcast.
I'm exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Dude, I really do feel bad for you, man.
You did three hours straight onyour show and then I felt bad,
even asking you.
I was like dude, do you mindcoming on and talking about this
?
You're like no, I'll come on,I'll come on, it's a big day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
It's a big day and I'm like I should have put this
on my show.
I'll put it on Anthony's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
You've been training for this right Last couple of
days.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got the extra nap this morning,
so thanks for bringing me on.
That's very interesting whatI'm hearing about, beck, but
that's all speculation.
I won't.
I won't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Poor Bishop.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Strickland man, like we were were.
I was like maybe we'll getsomeone in that'll like put him
back in somewhere.
He doesn't, he's not gonna goback to tyler, but maybe he'll
give him some kind of you knoweven a courtesy position
somewhere or something like poorbishop strickland, that guy's
heart gotta be crushed today, Iknow the guy who takes him out
is the guy who gets elected.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Oh, I know, I know the guy that the guy that gave
him the ax, that the henchman isthe guy that gets elected, that
he was probably open more thanany copesplaining popesplainer
for Bishop Sarah.
Last thing I'll say okay, yeah,you know everyone's calling me
blackpilled.
I didn't have any hope, but Ido love Cardinal Sarah.

(01:19:04):
I think he's super cool and,yes, we've heard him say his
name.
Finally, it's Sarah, not Sarah.
Oh wow, Okay good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
I've been saying it wrong for years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
It's like a person.
The name is Sarah, but when Iheard, when I heard on the loja,
cardinal Robert, oh, me too.
In my little brain I had onething.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
I was like could I be ?
No, you don't have to say it, Iwas watching your, I was
watching your live stream andyou're like did he say Prevost?
Wait, did he say Prevost?
You guys had to double check.
You're like wait, did I hearwhat I think I heard?
Because as soon as I heard it,my heart sank and I was

(01:19:48):
listening to you try to figureout if that maybe I misheard
this, that I mishear this andyou had to go back and get
confirmation of it.
It was like all of us heardthat robert at first and I was
like what robert?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
could this be robert, sarah?
And then I was like could it belike a cardinal, provost?
Is there some office or titlethat I don't know of?
Because there are.
There are priestinals, thereare Bishop cardinals and there
are deacon cardinals.
That doesn't mean that they'redeacons or priests, only they're
all cardinals.
But I was like provost, is thata thing?
And then I was like no, that'sa, that's a bad American, that's

(01:20:18):
a, that's a Chicago or howeveryou say that.
And I but it was Robert threwme.
I was like one little part ofmy heart just leapt and I was
like could this be Sarah?
Could there be no conspiracies?
Could everything turn out allright?
And of course I was like F.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
No, I was listening for three names.
I was listening for Parolin,tagle or him or Prevost, like
those were the three names I hadmy ear cued for.
I was almost hoping it would besomebody I'd never heard of.
I was almost hoping it would besomebody I never heard of.
But, like I said, those daysleading up I started hearing his
name pop up and I'm like why iseverybody?
The first person I heard throwit out was Jonathan Morris, the
priest who used to be in NewYork who got laicized and he

(01:20:56):
went and got married To a woman.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Yeah, To a woman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was atleast straight.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
But he was the first one I heard throw that name out
last week and he said hey,there's two American Cardinals
that you guys shouldn't justwrite off right away.
One was Prevost and one wasDolan.
And when he said that I waslike I'm going with Dolan on
this, I don't want to hearPrevost Don't even tell me that
I want to go with Dolan, becauseI knew Prevost was a Francis

(01:21:28):
guy and Dolan wasn't.
And I just thought the USAIDconnection was going to play
heavily into this electionbecause they got millions of
their money shut off.
Man, that was a faucet of liketons of money shut off.
And I really did think Dolanwas in the running and if he
would have got elected it wouldhave been a time of you know
what.
He would have been just as bad.
He would have been just as bad.
Why am I even?
I don't know, it might have beenworse.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
It might have been worse in some ways, because you
would have got your hope up alittle.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Yeah, don't loves this, he loves the spotlight,
and I was literally gonna comeout and be like I am his michael
lofton.
You're all celebrating catholicramadan.
Shut up, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
That's's just that New Yorker in you.
Man, come on the queen.
He marches with the queens.
Give me a break.
No, I love you guys.
Thanks for having me on this.
This might be the first day Iever literally streamed for six
plus hours.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Yeah, man you did a good job.
Today you were cutting.
It was you and Joe McClain andAnthony Stein I was glued to
today.
I was bouncing between the twoof your streams.
All of you guys did an awesomejob.
I had such fear of missing out.
I had such FOMO watching youguys.
I wanted to jump on stream withsomebody.
I'm like I'm at work.
I couldn't even do it.
So, tim, we're going to let yougo Me and Rob does.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
we will help you promote it all right, thanks,
brother, and and take, take careboth of you, rob and anthony.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
God bless you, tim.
We'll see you later, brother,peace.
So okay.
So what do?
What do we think in ouraudience?
I didn't, I didn't want to justjump off like that.
I know, uh, um, you know,people probably still have their
thoughts.
I wanted to be able to interactwith you guys.
When I'm interviewing people,sometimes I don't get to pay
attention to the comments andstuff dude, it's been a wild

(01:23:15):
chat yeah, I'm sure like fourtimes as busy as normal I well,
yeah, there's 3600 peoplewatching right now.
So the thing well, yeah, wellyou too, 1400 on youtube which
is our biggest stream ever ever.
Yeah, yeah.
So please hit, like andsubscribe.
Um, I'm going to.
I'm gonna say, I want to makeit very clear, like we're not

(01:23:37):
going to be the opposition tothe pope show ever, like that's
just not going to be us.
We're going to handle this thesame way we handle francis, like
if something big comes out,we'll talk about it and we'll
tell you, we'll discuss howwe're going to handle that thing
, but like he's still the Pope,he is the Pope and he's Pope Leo
the 14th.

(01:23:58):
So we're going to just, youknow, I, I, okay.
So two weeks ago we had thatshow and I said to you things
are going to get very bad.
I think we could get a reallybad candidate in and I think
it's going to be our job to makesure people understand.
This is actually part of thestory.
Any chance you'll reconsiderthat, francis.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
And now Leo might actually represent the truth, I
mean the BBC opposes yourposition.
I mean, I don't know about Leoyet, but no, come on um, no,
mike, this is a revolution, bro,come on man if I were to say
that, then I'd have to say theprevious 265 popes were wrong

(01:24:41):
and I'm sorry, it's just too ittoo too stark of a contrast for
me to make sense of Like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
look, I do think Tim is right in one thing, in that a
Pope will have to come alongand make a hermeneutic of
continuity to make all of thismake sense.
Otherwise the gates of hellprevailed, and the studies were
right.
I mean, I think a Pope couldcome along and adjust some of
the things that were a littlewhack.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
I don't think you don't have to pull the benedict.
You know hermeneutic continuity.
I think you can say like almosteverything that's happened
since 1962 has been done in afallible way, and guess what?
It was all wrong, I think.
I think that would be prettyeasy to do, but that is still a
hermeneutic continuity.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
It's showing that, okay, some mistakes were, we got
to fine-tune them.
We have to get rid of this.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Look the church over the long term, I mean yes, the
church as a whole always has ahermeneutic, a continuity to it,
right, otherwise it's not thechurch.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Yeah, so during the Aryan crisis there were some
wacky things in the church.
But crisis there, you knowthere were some wacky things in
the church, but over time whenyou look, back.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
He meant it in a way where we can somehow fit all
these things together in a wayto make sense, whereas what
you're going to need to do iscut some of the things just
straight.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Yeah I, I think so.
I don't see how it works and Iand look.
The craziest thing about thiswhole interregnum period was
like there's goodwill betweencatholics I might have to
re-watch this movie yeah, Idon't know who the uncle from.
I can't think of I know mrsdoubtfire is, but um, the this

(01:26:21):
whole period of interregnumthere were people reaching out
to me that I hadn't spoken to ina while, that like there was
friction between us and we weremaking amends.
Like the period of set ofinterregnum was instead of a
Conte was really cool, man, likeI don't know, I don't.
Like I said today, was day one.
Joe Bunch of the gayhairdresser.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
The guy that talks like this, the gay hairdresser
uncle, the guy that talks likethis.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
I think that's who he's talking about the gay
makeup I'm going to have torewatch it, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Yeah.
So look, If Tim's right aboutthe concessions that are made to
us, I'm just going to enjoythose agreed like.
I'm just gonna take the winswhere we get them he could
definitely be right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I mean, you know, maybe the, the actual papal
vestments and the traditionallatin blessing and and stuff
today were were bones thrown tothe trads, could definitely be
true, might be true, probablytrue.
But I'll take it.
You know, it doesn't mean I'mnot gonna dude if we not

(01:27:35):
criticize something he teachesor says in the future if it's,
if it's bad, right yeah andespecially if it needs
clarification for othercatholics to understand where
something and Tim is 100% rightthere's a lot more to the
traditional faith than just theTLM.
Yeah, but having some of it isstill better than having none of
it, especially when I'm tryingto raise kids.

(01:27:57):
The visuals of the vestments,all that stuff it is important.
It's not everything, it's noteven the most important thing,
but it's something.
With Francis, we had nothingyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
So if it gets kicked back to some more rules which I
can't imagine, I I I think whatthey'll do is they'll give the
indult to people who request it.
I don't think they'll ever goback to some more rules, because
that means any priest thatwants to say it can say it
without their bishop'spermission, and I think that'll
be out of control for them.
I do want to address thatquestion real quick, rob.

(01:28:30):
I want to um at the one I hadup there, uh who was it by?
uh, let me see if I can find it.
Uh, okay, genuinely, guys, doyou think?
Don't you think it does moreharm than good obsessing over
who voted, mafia, nonsense,conspiracies, that they're all
gay?
Can't we start neutral at theminimum?
Yeah, it could be.

(01:28:51):
I would, like I said this wasday one.
This isn't going to be.
Like our show was never that.
Our show was never likeopposition to the pope, like I
just wanted to hear the truth sothat everybody doesn't have
false expectations.
That's really what it came downto.
It's like I don't want anybodyto have false expectations.

(01:29:12):
Like we know what this is.
It is francis, the second.
Like mike lewis is in the chat.
Mike lewis is going to be veryhappy with this guy.
So I spoke to mike uh yesterday, the day before, and I was like
what do you think of pizza ball?
because, like, I really boughtinto the whole pizza ball thing,
like thinking he could be the,the dark, the dark compromise,
the compromise candidate, and hewas like I'll be honest, I

(01:29:32):
don't even know why trads are soexcited about him, because we
don't know much about him.
And I was like you're kind ofright, like we don't know what
that would have been anyway andit's yeah, yeah.
So let's talk about some ofthese, like supposedly, um
prevost received an indult andan indult and celebrated the tlm
, like we are hearing rumorslike that.

(01:29:52):
I think that I think the thepositive sides will be the
hostilities are going to beattempted to be lessened, right?
I?
I really do think that.
I think that a big part of thetension between the Pope and the
church were the American churchand the trad movement within
the American church and if theyjust settle that down a bit, I

(01:30:16):
think a lot of the things willcalm down a lot.
Do you really think a futurePope is going to agree with your
position in full?

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
seriously, In full.
No, because no Pope ever agreeswith, even with, your position
in full, seriously in full.
No, because that no pope everagrees with any, even any other
pope in full.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Right, but if we're talking like, do I think a
future pope is going to agreewith all the actual you know,
dogma and infallible doctrine ofthe church in the future in
full, then yes, yeah, this is amajor thing that we're gonna
have to contend with, alsobecause we don't know how, if he
starts doing things that thesecular world doesn't like, are

(01:30:55):
they going to throw this in hisface?

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
because there's plenty of reports out there that
are going to be troubling thesecular world didn't do that
with francis, and he was just asbad or worse.
So no, I don't think thesecular world will do it will.
Will the catholic world,hopefully, do it?
Hopefully?

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
yeah, it's, it's gonna be an interesting uh run
forward.
Um, I'm, I'm not going to blackpill about anything, I just
don't.
I don't, I don't know.
I'm just gonna be catholic man.
That's what we do like we justwe just live our faith out and
you know major news storieswe'll address when they come um

(01:31:33):
it's uh, yeah, I don't know manit's it I think everybody had
their hopes so high.
We heard so many stories in themedia that don't underestimate
these the fact that thesecardinals were not allowed to
meet up.
I think all of that wascoordinated.
I think there was a.
It looked like it was, uh, likefrancis dropped the bag, like,

(01:31:57):
oh no, he fumbled the bag, hedidn't let these guys meet up.
But I think all of that wasvery intentional.
I think this is very plannedand coordinated.
It almost felt theatrical.
Um, what did mike say?
That hang on?
Um, have we verified thatfrancis ended his papacy under
proper protocols?
If he didn't do it right, leomight actually be, not actually

(01:32:21):
be, pope.
I'm a francis vic contest.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
I do think some of, I do thinksome of the people who are like,
so secure in their theories areit's like you, gotta.
I don't know how anybody coulddo that Like, like, I don't know

(01:32:41):
how anybody could be so securein their Benny Plenism.
It's like you.
You can't make thosedeclarations as laity.
So we are just in a positionwhere we sit back and we let
things play out as they do and Ithink that I think that god
will do something dramatic.
Uh, rob, we should do arequisite ad while we have 1200.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
We should have done it an hour and a half ago.
But yes, we should read arequisite ad at least give
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Oh, my um.
Yeah, man, if you guys gotquestions, throw them at us.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
I mean, I think, um, I yeah, it was just a wild day
then.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Requivacatus.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
Requivacatus.
No, that will be what we arewhen they drop us.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
The world will leave us alone for a little while
longer, though many faithfulCatholics still have a cross to
bear.
Let us learn to love it.
Okay, so that's a good point,right?
So as long as you have a popethat is in the image of the
world, it means no physicalpersecution for us, like that
was the drop side of getting agood pope.
You get a like a solid,conservative pope and all of a

(01:34:35):
sudden the world turns on you.
But as long as you have a popethat the world believes is going
in the direction they want themto go in, they're not gonna
there's not gonna be anyphysical persecution for us.
In my opinion, the cardinalscouldn't meet up and the guy who
was seemingly pre-pickedhappened to be the one guy with

(01:34:56):
access to all the cardinalsthat's a good point yeah, what's
funny is me and bobby were onthe phone last night at like 10
30 at night and he's like, dude,if there's no Pope by Monday,
we're going to Rome.
I'm like, oh my gosh, all right, we're going to Rome.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
I almost was like you know, I really should.
I need to get my passport sothat we can just go on random.
You know, if one crazy stuffhappens, I'm not even kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
I'm on the phone with him at 1030 at night and he's
like dude, we're going to RomeMonday and I'm sitting next to
my wife in bed and my wife'slike I have enough to worry
about why.
Why are you going to Rome?
Like what do you have to worryabout?
Like what do you?
Do you dig dirt in the backyardall day in your garden?
Like what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
I like Anthony.
On one hand, you're like theworld's going to end Cardinal
versus Cardinal, rome's going tobe the city in ruins.
On the other hand, he's like Ineed to go to Rome in like three
days, guys, don't think thatthought hasn't crossed my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
That didn't cross my mind, though.
I said to Bobby I go, dude.
What if we go there?
He's elected on May 13th andthen all of a sudden something
happens to fulfill the thirdsecret, fatima, he goes, dude, I
guess I guess I'm going to havea lot as a solo show then he
goes, dude, we're there for themost important event in history
what are you talking about?
you're gonna be skeletons, allright.

(01:36:15):
Me and rob have a.
Have an agreement where, if oneof us goes, we will not stop
until we raise a million dollarsfor the other spouse.
That is the agreement we made.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
So the other agreement is there won't ever be
another co-host, because it'slike being married you just
don't get remade.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Yeah, the show just ends you paid 20 to ask us this
so I have been to uh, I've beento the sspx.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
There is an sspv not that, not that he's conflating
the two.
Everyone, no, no, no.
Pull out the knives um.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
I have been to an sspx I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
There is an sspv on long island um are they
technically set of a contest orthey said he privationist?

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
I think they're said I privationist, so like
technically, this is a validpope until he does something
heretical right white wolf, wemissed you yeah, we did so.
That's the other thing too.
Right is this?
This is a good question.
I wasn't around in 2013 whenfrancis was chosen.
Was everyone in as pessimisticas they are?

(01:37:21):
To know some, there were a fewpeople who had the feeling, oh
my goodness, a Jesuit from SouthAmerica.
This is something to worryabout.
But no, because media wasn'tthe same.
There wasn't podcasts like this.
The media landscape hascompletely changed, so it took
so OK, so Francis gets electedin 2013 and he drops a few like

(01:37:44):
oddball comments and 99% ofCatholics, pope spleen, and we
were like he didn't mean it likethat.
Like when he said the breedinglike rabbits thing, we were a
little taken back.
Then he came out with thecondoms comment about the, the,
the Zika virus.
It was like he was like, oh,what if the, if there?

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
if you're in an area where the Zika virus you could
use condoms and, like the wholeworld, blew up and went crazy.
And it was when was the firstbad encyclical amorous, was it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
amorous.
His first encyclical wasactually co-written by benedict,
so it was right.
It was on evangelization, itwas very well written and then,
like the second half, it hadsome weird stuff in it.
But we were like all right, youknow what?
Do you know like it came outright.
Benedict wrote half of it andthen francis wrote the other
half and they released it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
It was like a co-written encyclical oh, I hope
francis doesn't have one halfwritten oh, my god, oh my gosh,
please no that would beinteresting that would be so him
to get us?
That would grave, that would beam I wrong, he probably half
wrote one a decade ago, just forthat so.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
So then a morris came out.
So he calls the synod on thefamily and like, because there
was all these crazy news storiesgoing off in the media and they
and the things they weretalking about at the synod on
the family, he, francis, got ridof him when he was 75.

(01:39:15):
Uh, he wrote something in firstthings recently, I don't I'm
not sure and archbishop chaput.
Archbishop chaput, he was at thefirst synod on the family and
he came out talking about someof the crazy things that were
being talked about there and hewas like I don't know what's
going on here.
This is, you know, they're notallowing like free discussion in

(01:39:36):
these groups.
So we all thought, okay, theywere saying crazy things, but
the pope is going to rein thingsin and francis wrote a morris
letizia and then in thefootnotes you started getting
divorce for communion, fordivorce and remarried, and he
started talking about hell beingcontrary to the gospel.

(01:39:57):
Then we started getting theseinterviews with the atheist
reporter.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
Yeah, sedano, not.
Sedano Starts with the nest,though.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Come on, guys, help us in the chat.
The atheist reporter who wouldnot write things down, and
Francis did that intentionally.
We will try, we'll try to getto him.
Yeah, if there's any superchats, we'll definitely go back
and read them.
Reporter who would not writethings down, and francis did
that intentionally.
We will, we will try, we'll tryto get to him.
Yeah, if there's any superchats, we'll definitely go back
and read them.
Uh, so francis starts doingthese interviews scalfari
scalfari.
So he goes back and does theseinterviews with scalfari and
they're not written down orrecorded and scalfari starts

(01:40:31):
saying some crazy things thatfrancis said and the vatican
doesn't clarify them.
It's like, uh, like people,when they die if they don't
believe in god, they just ceaseto exist, like annihilationism.
Yeah, like wacky stuff, but itwasn't until mccarrick.

Speaker 4 (01:40:49):
And when mccarrick comes out and dolan is the one
who brings that thing forwardpublicly, so it was like a
priest, which has got to be onereason why I mean not that, not
that he was ever really in therunning, but they had a
guarantee he was never going toseriously be in the running,
right ah, man, it is aninteresting subject.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
So dolan is the one who actually publicly like
brings sanctions upon mccick.
And when that happened, it wasso much stuff had built up by
that point that all of a suddenVigano drops.
And Vigano comes out and sayseverything he knows.
And but even before that, likebefore Vigano came out, like

(01:41:31):
Taylor started speaking up, likeTaylor and Tim changed a lot,
man, like they were veryimpactful where they were just
like what the hell is happeninghere, like this is nuts, you
know.
And that started getting peopletalking.
And then mccarrick happens.
Vegano comes out.
Everybody was obsessed with thevegano stuff.
Bishop strickland supportedvegano and he was like, look,

(01:41:53):
I've known the nuncio for a verylong time.
This stuff is very credible.
We should really look into this.
And it was just from there on.
It was like this groundswell ofopposition built to Francis
within the Catholic right inAmerica.
Tnt was the original Anthony andRob.
Well, the thing is also Tim.

(01:42:14):
From when Rob and I firststarted this, tim was the first
like mainstream guy to talk tous public, like to come on our
show and give a shouts out onhis show.
He had me on his show, likehe's always looked out for us,
like he.
Tim has always looked out forme and he is a good friend and
he's, he's just, he's just great.

(01:42:37):
I got I don't know, I think Iand he's, um, he's just, he's
just great.
Like I don't, I don't know, Ithink I think he's.
I think he gets theconversation moving in ways
where other people can't.
I think he speaks in ways thatother people can't.
I mean, if you guys want totalk about who shifted the
conversation on feminism, nobodydid better than tim.
Like his case for patriarchybook completely changed the way
we talk about feminism,everything.

(01:42:58):
So, but yeah, so that's howthat kind of progressed.
So now the difference in thisis that we're all lived.
We all lived through Francis,so we're all in our garden.
A different way, you have tothink about what it was like
after john paul ii and benedict.
We were all assuming we wouldjust get another post-conciliar

(01:43:20):
pope who would stand firm onmoral issues.
It never even crossed our mindthat it could happen.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
What happened under francis that was shocking to to
99 of catholics which is why ittook so long for people to
realize what he was yeah, likenone of, and none of us wanted
to speak out on this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Yeah, tim is it?
Look, you don't.
I don't agree with tim oneverything.
I don't agree with his spxstance.
Um, you know what I do want totalk about?
Like, can we play that otherlarry chap clip?
Because I think that, like Idon't know if people grasp how
big of a deal this is, thatlarry chap is saying this.
Like larry chap, I'm trying to,I'm trying to figure out how to

(01:44:04):
, because, for the youngerpeople especially, like how
important of a figure he was inshaping the post-conceal, your
conversation, like he was thebenedict spokesman.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Essentially, I mean whatever, but like, like putting
I mean at least he has beensince that right, yeah, like
I've known I've.
I've see he's much moreprominent recently no, well, I'm
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
So, even if I'm not talking about larry chapp
specifically, I'm talking aboutthe larry chapp types well, the,
are they concilium?

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
are they there?

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
yes, they're comunio guys.
They're comunio guys, yeah so,but they, they love von
balthazar.
Like, look, other than the darewe hope stuff.
Like von balthazar was verywell respected amongst catholics
until taylor, marshall andbishop, like once bishop baron
came out with the dare we hopestuff publicly, that's when

(01:44:58):
people started going oh I'mBaltazar, you got to watch that
guy.
But Pope Benedict spoke veryhighly of Von Baltazar, like
very highly.
So these guys were justhermeneutic of continuity guys
and they were going to implementthe council and they, they,
they saw the papacy, they're theones who taught us about papal
infallibility, they're the oneswho give Catholic answers,

(01:45:20):
they're apologetic to go by.
So for these guys to be talkinglike this is just shocking to
me.

Speaker 4 (01:45:28):
I mean yeah, they're basically the seed that created
popesplaining.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Yeah, absolutely without a doubt, Because before
them but look before the beforetaylor marshall and those guys
started doing this publicly.
You really only had the remnantand a couple of like the sspx
guys, but but other than that itwas like, like you looked at,
we saw the sspx as schismatic,like without any nuance to it.

(01:45:56):
It was the sspx is schismatic,don't ever go to their masses.
That's how they were viewed bythe church.
Then you had the fssp.
They were the goodtraditionalists, but the sspx,
they were schismatic, nevertalked to them, and it wasn't
until, like these conversationsstart having happening later on

(01:46:17):
that we're like wait, maybethese guys kind of were onto
something the whole time.
Lefebvre gets seen in a wholenew light.
Lefebvre was like the villainbefore recent memory.
Like now people are going backand they're rereading some of
the things Lefebvre said andlooking at the SEC meetings.
We just looked over all thatstuff.
We didn't even know that stuffhappened.
So play that.

(01:46:37):
Play that last Larry Chapp clip.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Okay, hold on a second.
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:46:45):
Not that people are going to immediately pick up
their marbles and go to adifferent game.
You're going to, you know, andI would counsel this.
I would say to people sit back,don't prejudge anything, sit
back and see what unfolds.
But you know, if the new popecomes along and you know, one
year into his papacy issues amode of appropriate that says

(01:47:06):
we're not going to have gaymarriage in the Catholic church,
we're going to start ordainingwomen to the priesthood, and so
okay, then you're looking atschism, you really are.
There's no doubt about it.
No doubt Now whether or not wewould elect our own.
But we might just do what theSSPX did and just back away

(01:47:26):
temporarily from communion withRome until Rome comes to its
senses.
Yeah, I mean, that's a lot offorms.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
No sure, and that's a remarkable potential turn of
events.
What he just said there is, Imean, that's a lot of forms, no
sure, and that's a remarkablepotential turn of events.
I mean, what he just said thereis incomprehensible to me,
because I would not even go sofar as to say that the Pope
could issue an encyclical sayingthat gay marriage is OK.
Like I still do not think thePope could do that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
If if the person who everyone think is the pope were
to do that, then it's clear he'snot the pope he would be an
anti-pope at that point right,but so for anyone who maybe
didn't see the earlier clip,this is being said right after
larry chap said something alongthe lines of it's not that we

(01:48:16):
would think he's not the pope,we would just elect our own pope
.
Yeah right, so he.
It seems like he's saying hethinks a legitimate pope could
do that and that he wouldsomehow be but they're going to
start.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
And what an sspvi?
A novus ordo version of thesspx.
Like the novus ordo setes arethe most interesting group in
the world to me.
They're the most interestingpeople in the world to me,
because at that point you haveto go, okay.
So maybe, maybe lefebvre wasright the whole time.
Like you have to, you have tosay it in your head.

(01:48:51):
Like it, the post conciliarthing doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
You've got to go back why?
Yeah, I didn't think of it thatway at first, but you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
If they're saying look, he's wrong now, Then
they're all wrong, then why notjust join the SSPX?
Then they're all wrong, is mypoint.
This is why it was so bonkers.
To me it's like wait a minute,no, if.
If Paul VI was right and JohnPaul II was right, benedict was
right, but Francis was wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
and now Leo XIV is going to be wrong like no wait a
minute.
Saying this is unnecessarily.
Francis was wrong, rightbecause they didn't do it under
Francis dude.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
It's so interesting to me because there's so many
people who were waiting to seewho was elected before they said
what their position was goingto be on this pope.
So many, Including like I'm nottrying to call him out, but
Patrick Coffin.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Well, okay.
He wasn't the one I wasthinking of, because there's one
that I'm more of a friend with.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Yeah, don't say that name.

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
I'm trying to just make a point if, if, ben, if
beniplenism was true, thenwhether or not this pope is
valid should have been somethingyou could have decided
beforehand beforehand.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Right, but okay, and that's all I'm saying.
I'm not even knocking theirposition, I'm saying they should
have been able to have aconclusion beforehand, I think
it should have nothing to dowith who is the pope yes, so
it's.
It was just interesting, like Ijust don't, I don't know, I I
don't get it, so but I did talkto somebody who said, um, like

(01:50:32):
it mattered a lot if, like, atrue catholic was elected and
they started making drasticchange, because I think even WM
Review, which is a set of acontest blog or newspaper or
something, they came out andlike wrote an article on how
this conclave could elect a truepope.
So I just don't understand thatI'm not knocking on when I say

(01:50:56):
his name.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
I don't know if they're actually, technically, I
think and I could be wrong theydo one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
They seem much more mentally with it than reasonable
I should have said reasonablethen yeah but then most set of
the contest.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
But they almost seem like they fall more towards set
of privationism instead of acontest.
But and I could be wrong aboutthat I don't want to put words
in their mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:51:20):
But yeah, I'm.
I don't want anybody to thinkI'm knocking coffin, I'm just
curious to know, because he his,he, I saw everybody that asked
him if he would accept this pope.
He kind of laughed and saidread dominici gregis, or he
blocked people.
So I was was like I was afraidto ask him because I don't want
him to get mad at me.
You know, it's like I don'tknow.

(01:51:40):
I don't know what's yourposition on this?
Like how does this work?
But now I think everybody'sgoing to come out and give their
position.
Now that you see the backgroundof this guy, and I think it'll
be irrelevant on what he does.
I don't think what he does isgoing to matter now that they
see which guy it is.
So it's.
You know, it's just.
My position was always the sameI'm going to accept the Pope

(01:52:02):
that comes.
I'm just accepting him.
I don't know he's just the Popeuntil, like, the church
clarifies it, I don't know whatelse to do.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
I don't know what else to do, right, if Burke and
I'm still going to pronounce itto rot him burke and and I'm
still gonna pronounce it's a rawtim, but I'm just kidding.
Yeah, like if sarah, if acouple of them had stood up and
yeah and even just in a verykind of quiet and weak way, said
maybe there were questions,that would be one thing, but
like what?

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
I was, if we would have saw burke, muller and sarah
come out and say hey, therewere shady things in this.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
You know you'd have a like to stand on, but like and
I don't want them to do it 13years from now, right, because
now is the time or wait until hedoes something he shouldn't do
and then say something like it'slike I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
We don't know what happened behind closed doors of
that conclave, so maybe therewere deals struck, we don't know
maybe the fact he came out intraditional investments and was
part of it right, exactly, maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Maybe we get the tlm back as part of the deal, and
you know what?
Yeah, okay, like we have no sayover it dude.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
So like we don't have any say over it, so like it's,
I'm not going to.
I will never, will never be theshow that's just bashing the
pope.
It is what it is.
We, we came out tonight, we, wewe look, I'm not.
I'm not gonna lie about any ofthis stuff.
It is what it is.
We know what we got.
If he throws some bones our way, take them for what they are.
Raise your family catholic, doeverything you can.

(01:53:32):
You're to catch a lot of grieffrom a lot of different places
going forward.
And if, especially if things doget bad, you're going look at
the, the, the rhetoric from theEastern Orthodox, the rhetoric
from the Protestants is allgoing to get cranked up a
thousand.
But I really do see our role asbecause I don't see it as any

(01:53:54):
other way as part of that storythat I've explained 800 times,
that I don't feel likeexplaining again.
I just think Francis might bean anti-pope, but unless the
church says that, then he's not.
That's it.
It's as simple as that.
So if I see things crazilyhappening, it's you're watching
our Lord on the Via Dolorosa Ihave Dolorosa on my mind because

(01:54:17):
I've been thinking about theBorgia papacy, the Via Della
Rosa, and as the apostles areseeing him being scourged and
walking with his cross, theywitnessed him in his glory on
the mountaintop at thetransfiguration.
They witnessed him heal theblind and heal the sick and
they're saying in their heads heis the Messiah.

(01:54:39):
I know you people don't see it,but we know what he is and
that's us.
We see the church for what itis because we have eyes to see.
But the world isn't going tosee the church for what it is
because it's going to lose allof its glory.
It's going to lose all of itseverything.
It's going to lose all of itsglory and we are just going to
have to be faithful and justtrust that our Lord knows what

(01:55:00):
he's doing.
I don't know anything else todo.
Be Catholic and let the churchtell you in due time.
That is 100% my position.
Thank you, lex, by the way.
Yes, very gratefully.
All of you who gave super chatstonight, thank you so much.
You guys do not know how muchthis helps.
This is good to hear.
I have a lot of friends andfamily who are excited to come

(01:55:22):
into the church.
Today hasn't changed that.
That's all like and honestly,they're not.
You're not going to get ustrashing the post, like if you
have new friends that are cominginto the church, like we're
just going to talk aboutwhatever and we're going to
explain it in ways that this isit, like it's going to be
everybody listening.
It will be your job to keepthese people from black pilling.

(01:55:45):
Yeah, so yeah, we talked aboutwhat we talked about in the
beginning of the show becauseit's reality.
But if you don't know thereality, you're going to be
shocked and you're going to fallaway from the church and you're
going to be like, oh mygoodness, this is not, no, going
to be shocked and you're goingto fall away from the church and
you're going to be like, oh mygoodness, this is no.
This is.
We are going through thepassion of the church right now.
Nothing else makes sense to me.
Maybe I'm wrong, but nothingelse makes sense to me like you

(01:56:05):
said.

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
I mean, we have, we ourselves have to still, of
course, love the church, but we,we have to share that love with
others.
And even when it is difficultand you know what it's been
really difficult the last 12years could it be that as
difficult, that difficult, forthe next 20?
Maybe?
I don't think it will be.
It could be, but we have tofigure out how to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
This is a long papacy .
We're in for boys but?

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
but there's a way to do it without lying, without
gaslighting people, withouthiding the truth you don't if I
mean, if you really love someone, you don't hide the truth from
them right, I agree, yeah, andlook, I don't know, man, I still
love being catholic.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Shut up girl.
Oh my god, rob, it's gonna beworse.

Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
It's gonna get worse there's two or three times every
show, I get really tempted tojust block you forever.
Well, also rob.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
Uh, rob actually texted me earlier.
He wasn't going to come on andhe goes dude, my, you know I
don't.
He didn't want to add to it.
He knew he knew me and tim weregoing to go off tonight and he
didn't want to add to it and Ialso.
But I, I also want you guys toknow sometimes I go down a road
rob isn't on board with and Ilike the role we play each other

(01:57:18):
off like play off each other inthis show is important because
Rob talks to me off a ledgeSometimes.
Sometimes I get him to get offhis his ledge and say no, you're
, you know, you gotta see thingsas a little bit bigger than you
are right now, Cause he's anothing ever happens guy and I'm
like everything is happeningall at once.
So it's a good call to be fairto one another did?

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
did something really happen today?
Not really do we have two point.
People claim it's right now.
No, did it take four years Iwill say that no, you're right,
did nuclear fire destroy romewhen the people election
happened on may 13th?

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
well, not yet, but not yet, and settle down,
there's still time for that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
Okay, but as probably right but here's the thing
anthony said he wanted leo the14th back in november I get.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Look, I get some things right, sometimes all
right.
I got you guys both francis thesecond and leo the 14th, in one
package yep, so everyone blameanthony I said, I took the
hitchboard today and I go,michael, you manifested francis
upon us and I manifested louisthe 14th, francis the second,
upon us.

(01:58:29):
Wouldn't it have been funny ifhe took francis louis the first,
like francis?
Leo, francis leo uh, keeps Ikeep mixing up, louis and leo.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
You know, francis leo , all the posts on social media
are just literally every post ontwitter today annoyed me I mean
the ones that were instantlyblack pilling, the ones that
were instantly white pilling.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
I was just pissed at everyone I, I, I let off like
two or three right away when itfirst hit me, because I had had
that prevost info, prevos,whatever his name is prevos info
.
The days leading up when Iheard his name, my heart dropped
.
So I was like, right away Itweeted out.
I was like this is austinivory's guy.
I was like the revolutioncontinues.

(01:59:13):
But then, like three hourslater, I tweeted out everybody,
chill out.
Like we're in the same fight.
We've always been like first ofyou, guys were born for combat.
What do you think beingcatholic is?
The fight is where it is now.
It'll be somewhere else atanother point.
We're in a combat, yeah, andthe devil's trying to.
He's roaming about seeking theruin of souls.

(01:59:34):
Um, take it easy.
Chat like listening to oldwomen gossiping.
Okay, if you're 100 sure aboutwhat you're saying, pray for leo
and the catholic church.
Catholics.
Um, oh, he's talking about thechat being like yeah, first of
all, I'm very agnostic about allof my positions.
I don't know if I'm right aboutanything.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
I, I see I see he's agnostic about all his positions
, so we can take any of hispositions in the future but
let's put 40 out.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
One of them's gonna be right, and then I told you so
even he even still can'tbelieve the leo the 14.

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
even at that time I was thinking, when you were the
the leo tweets seven months ago.
Why is he picking Leo?
It's just stupid what made you?

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
you cause you clearly did a Leo search on Twitter.
Yeah, like what made you evendo that.
You remember I?

Speaker 4 (02:00:24):
remember seven months ago thinking he's just picking
an old name out of the hat.
No, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
I, I don't, I mean not, I'm not going to even take
credit for this.
Everybody was saying we want aPius XIII or Leo XIV, like that
was pretty much the consensus wewant a Pius XIII or Leo XIV.
But I really liked the idea ofa Leo XIV.

Speaker 4 (02:00:52):
Because you're an Italian fascist.
I got to remember we're stillon YouTube.
It's um.
If I looked pissed tonight, itwasn't because of what we were
talking about or because of Tim.
We found out my wife'sgrandfather got like a month

(02:01:13):
left to live and like my kidsget to see him for the last time
tomorrow.
So it's just yeah stuff goingon.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
So Rob's not going to be on tomorrow.
I think I'm going to jump onwith Nick.
Me and Nick Cavazos are goingto do a show tomorrow and yeah,
well, I'll just like soak in thenews but I'm not going to.
It's not going to be anotherBlack Pill show, cause that's.
I want Nick on and we're goingto try to.
We're going to try to like justsort this thing out and see how
this goes.

(02:01:41):
It's like you know, we're still.
We're still on the on themission here.
So, yeah, yeah, rob, what'shope's grandfather's name?

Speaker 4 (02:01:50):
So his name is buzz, buzz um, and then we could, uh,
could, pray for buzz, that buzzum has a good and holy death,
that would be great.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
Um, did we read all of the super chats?
So no, we have a lot to gothrough.
I was trad cath for 15 years.
The last 80 years proof thatthe reform was not a point, it's
20 bucks.
Magisterial theology has beendone.
An absolute death blow.
Reform now.
Glad I don't deal with thisanymore.
I do check in occasionally.
You'll come back.
Can't help yourself, you guys.

(02:02:24):
You just can't help yourself.
Did we go to this one?
Silver lining, my base priest,will probably be a bishop now,
since Cardinal Cupich loves himand mistakenly thinks he's a
leftist.
Tops is telling a Leo baseballit's $20.
Topps is selling a Leo baseballcard until 5-11.

(02:02:47):
That's pretty cool.
You should get one of those.

Speaker 4 (02:02:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
All right, we did the $100 Super Chat.
We did Bobby Super Chat.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
There might be some in here that got unclicked.
I don't know.
There's that many.
Yeah, there's, let's see here.
This is a good one.
This isn't a Super Chat, butthis is a good one to address,
is that?

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
Nietzsche.
I don't know, so there was aProtestant Nietzsche, I don't
know, so there was a questionwas asking, asking as a
protestant what promotion of sindoes it take for catholics to
have schism?

Speaker 4 (02:03:25):
I think they're understanding what schism is
kind of.
If you're asking, like, what itwould take for us to determine
that the church isn't the church, then it would.
It would take heresy againstlike defeat, a dogma being
taught like as authoritative.
That's what it would take forme yeah, like francis to make an

(02:03:45):
ex.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
Well, now, leo the 14th, make an ex cathedra
statement.
Ex cathedra statement sayingsomething contrary to the faith.
Um, what do you think of emj's?
Take on the name choice.

Speaker 4 (02:03:59):
I hadn't seen his take.

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
I don't know his take what is it?

Speaker 4 (02:04:02):
I don't look at his stuff, honestly.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
There's this one why are gen z catholics so
delusional and overly hopeful?
So many of them are going toget blackpilled when they get
let down.
That's that's kind of that'skind of my position on this and
that's why I don't want to.
I don't want to give false hope, like I want to give you guys a
a real perspective on whatwe're dealing with I think for
gen z, number one.

Speaker 4 (02:04:25):
So many of them are converts, right, or or reverts,
in the sense, like they weremaybe baptized culturally but,
you know, not raised in thefaith by their Gen X parents,
stuff like that.
So I think they've seen thatthe whole world.
They've been blackmailed by theworld about everything about
dating, marriage, job, beingable to buy houses, the economy,

(02:04:50):
just everything.
And then they found the truthof Christ in the church and they
just cannot allow themselves tobe blackmailed about that.
Right, they need that to be ashining light in their life, and
I don't blame them, it shouldalways be a shining light in our

(02:05:10):
life, right, but I think theyhaven't seen the reality of what
the church militant really islike here on Earth, right, and I
think that's.
I mean, I think you're right, Ithink that could blackmail them
, yeah, which would yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
Let's hope not.
Okay.
So JD Real said, rael said hopenot hopium.
Wasn't Pius IX supposed to be aliberal?
That's a good point.
Do we think that God canconvert hearts?

Speaker 4 (02:05:49):
And we have.
I mean, besides Pius IX, wehave the example of St Thomas
Beckett.
There's a famous example, StAugustine.
Obviously Not that he I mean heconverted before becoming a
priest and bishop and such, butThank you for becoming a new
member.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
Gift of James.
I want to find that one.
Somebody asked us to read thesuper chat and we skipped over
it.
I'm trying to see if I can findit.
I'm confused by this one, rob.

Speaker 4 (02:06:23):
Maybe if you shared your books the church would be
saved.
Like, do you want me to sharewhat's in them?
Do you want me to give them toyou?
I mean, for 50 bucks you canbuy a fair number of these.
Just, I'm not sure what youmean by that um, I was writing a
theology.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
I think we read this.
But finally, while he walkedout, was shocked to see a guy I
didn't recognize.
Saw his name and how he wasdressed, felt a tinge of hope.
Then I learned we're not tryingto destroy people's hope.
We're trying to give you guys arealistic picture, because him
coming out as Leo the 14thprobably was a bit disarming for

(02:06:58):
us.
We're like whoa, leo the 14th,that's great.

Speaker 4 (02:07:01):
But oh demon.
It was a during my some of oneof my lenten meditations.
I mentioned how I don't likesharing my books because I'm
very hate like.
It's one of the few things I'mreally ocd about, like when I
read them.
I'm very careful with them andoh, like physically allowing

(02:07:23):
other people to read, so I don'tlet my books out.
Well, I appreciate whoever thatwas that you watched that, the
lenten series uh, please readlife site news on five things.

Speaker 1 (02:07:35):
I got it.
Uh, on five things to knowabout leo the 14th, posted today
.
I did read that article.
Um, there's a couple things Idisagree with, but I'm going on
with john henry west so I don'twant to say it um I I have to
email them back um remind methis weekend to email them back
okay, um, john John Bonari istruly one of the unsung heroes

(02:07:57):
of Catholic tradition.
He was ringing this bell foryears.
Absolutely, I'm trying to.

Speaker 4 (02:08:04):
You got to unstar them when we read them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
Oh, you had them starred.
I wasn't even going through thestarred ones.

Speaker 4 (02:08:12):
That's how you should be doing it, man.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
I was just actually, I didn't know, you starred them,
that's why.

Speaker 4 (02:08:19):
No, they get to start automatically when they are
super chats.

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
The boomers will pass .
The youth is conservative andtraditional, but let's hope for
the best for this pope.
That's a good way to look at it, an american to think we were
this close to dolan see, uh,deep dish is the official pizza

(02:08:43):
of catholics now okay, this is.

Speaker 4 (02:08:45):
You probably didn't see it, because I think it came
out during the show.
Uh, the daily wire shot off aninteresting tweet what um, let
me see if I can pull it up here.
Let's just it's.
It's getting harder and harderfor the two catholics to uh to
stay on there.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
Let me bring it up here I told rob early on that I
didn't want us to do typicalchurch politics.
It was one day guys settle down, as we just got our pope so
breaking.
Cardinal provost unveils newtype of bread for use in Holy
Communion.
Oh boy, these guys.
How long are they going to staythere?

Speaker 4 (02:09:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
How long?
Thank you, mimi, appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (02:09:29):
Let's see, we got that one.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
New Cope.
New Cope.
He was playing along to rise upunder francis regime.
He pulled the rug on them whenhe took the name leo the 14th or
so back.

Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
I hope you're right I mean he does seem like and this
is true of so many bishops andcardinals but like under
benedict, he was writingconservative stuff, you know
saying conservative things, kindof francis.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
He was saying liberal things so you really don't know
what the guy thinks for himself.
No idea why everyone I knowwants to roll over instead of
fighting for christ, watch hishalf, if not more, of trads
fight for leo the 14th when herepeals tc.
Passion of the church, for sure, that is my, that is where I'm
at, could be.
Um, he takes the name of thePope of the Rallyment.

(02:10:17):
What's that Rallyment?

Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
Sounds familiar?
Let me see.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
Seems like the whole of the American press are
already singing Prevost praises,our fellow citizens giving
nauseatic patriotic responses tothe election of American Pope.
Chants of USA.

Speaker 4 (02:10:39):
So the the relevant was a political movement and,
like the late 1800s in France,where the church and the
monarchists were encouraged tosupport the third Republic, it
was initiated by Leo the 13th inthe 1890s.
It aimed to reconcile FrenchCatholics with the Republic,

(02:10:59):
urging them to abandon theirmonarchist loyalty and engage in
the Republican political systemto protect Catholic interests.
So it could be trying toencourage Catholics to oppose,
say, trumpism.

Speaker 1 (02:11:12):
It's possible.
Okay, what does the House ofCards coming down look like?
How does it happen and whatwill it mean for the lady?

Speaker 4 (02:11:20):
you know, bobby, if you should just put on a mask
and come on the show and talkabout this.
Yeah, I know you have a lot ofideas fatima and akita.

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
100th anniversary of of I don't T-U-Y in 2029 is.

Speaker 4 (02:11:41):
I mean, it is the 100th anniversary in 2029 of of
Christ.
Yeah, asking for theconsecration of Russia his will
be done.

Speaker 1 (02:11:54):
What is Rob saying right?
What Rob is saying right now iscausing me to almost tear up as
a 24 year old guy.
I think I was talking aboutzoomers by the way.

Speaker 4 (02:12:04):
That's not on the anthony's approved list of times
to cry you didn't destroy myhope.

Speaker 1 (02:12:09):
The facts surrounding him did okay.
Well, that's realistic, atleast.
Uh, I was in rca, rcia, when mycharacter stuff dropped.
Tell them, tell the truth wasstrong, call to stay in the
church no matter what.
And then, finally, gen Z willbring the church home.
Boomers and Gen X can go aheadand see while the radical youth
help get them to heaven.

(02:12:29):
Christ is King.
Pray for me as I entered theseminary in August.
So I think we're at two hoursand 12 minutes.
Man, this was uh and this was.
We got a new pope, guys, popeleo the 14th.

(02:12:50):
We all begged for a leo the14th and now we got him.

Speaker 4 (02:12:54):
So now we just see where the cards drop notice how
anthony takes his ideas, hiswants, his desires and puts them
on everyone we all wanted leothe 14th.
No, anthony, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
You got him, buddy not just that, it's like I put
the weight of all of the thingson my head, in my head, on you
guys, and then I'm likeeverything's fine, everything's
great.
Don't worry about it, guys,we're good.

Speaker 4 (02:13:22):
I hope you all have the same temperament.

Speaker 1 (02:13:23):
No, please that really is what it comes down to,
Like my temperament.
So you were me and you weretalking about that and it's like
you thought oh, somebody saidthat I'm anxious about it
because I live in a city.
But the thing is I'm notanxious about it because I live

(02:13:44):
in a city.
I love stories and I love thedrama of of you.
Love history, yeah, no, I lovethe drama of church history and
I think that we're in part ofthe drama now and I think we're
part of church history.

Speaker 4 (02:13:52):
OK, but here's the thing If you really thought the
end of the world was coming inthe next few years, maybe not
the end.
End of the world, right?

Speaker 1 (02:14:06):
Yeah, well, I think at least Third Secret of Fatima
is going to come to fulfillment.

Speaker 4 (02:14:10):
And the reign of Mary you live in a terrible spot oh
yeah, you're completelyunprepared.

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
Part of me doesn't want to live through the like.
If there's a post-apocalypticworld, part of me doesn't want
to live in that okay, but but wecan't I have, I have bailout
plans.
I mean, if it's not, if it'snot a nuke in new york, I'm
coming to you right, but as youand I have discussed, personally
, you don't even have paper mapsof how to get to me.

(02:14:38):
I do have downloaded maps,though, so as long as I can
charge my ipad.

Speaker 4 (02:14:42):
I'm getting there that's not how emps work.
Your ipad's dead.
If I get an emp, I'm in trouble.

Speaker 1 (02:14:47):
Yes, for sure.
We're gaming out the apocalypsenow.
If we get an emp, I'm introuble, that's for sure.
Um, yeah, that's.
That's a very good point, rob.
Maybe I should buy some papermaps I mean something.
They're like five bucks yeah,I'm gonna have to order some
online.
I should definitely have.

(02:15:08):
Uh, I think I have your addressmemorized.
I won't say it on air, but Iwas.

Speaker 4 (02:15:17):
I was waiting.

Speaker 1 (02:15:18):
I've typed out your I've typed out your address
enough times that I do have youraddress memorized.

Speaker 4 (02:15:22):
Print the maps I mean at the very least print the
maps.

Speaker 6 (02:15:36):
Yeah, that's a good idea, um say it yeah, yes, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:15:40):
I'm talking about like an actual road atlas man I
have, uh, I have uh, like youknow, the mormon food things.
I'm just throwing them in thetruck and heading west.

Speaker 4 (02:15:49):
That's all I know okay, clean water for those.
How do you have?

Speaker 1 (02:15:53):
I got big I got big water jugs too.
We're good, don't worry, plentyof water supply.
We're coming to you as gas.
I'm worried about um.
So yeah, like I'm never anxiousabout the events, it's that I
love.
First of, I love to like gamethrough them in my head and like
what michael hitchborn came onthe other day and said.

(02:16:14):
I was like that sounds reallycool, but man is that fan
fiction he was.

Speaker 4 (02:16:24):
He was not happy with the choice today.
I'm sure you saw and he textedme.

Speaker 1 (02:16:28):
He texted me, but I gotta read this.
It's so funny.
He released something onfacebook, uh like so he, he goes
, he goes, he goes.
My statement on Facebook.
While I feel low, I've chosento be hopeful.

Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
I said, oh, that's cute, adorable Wait your friends
are supposed to encourage eachother.

Speaker 1 (02:16:48):
Come on, come on.
I talked to him on the phone.
I called him today and he'slike I'm two glasses of wine in.
It's not good.

Speaker 4 (02:16:56):
Anthony, I'm like you think.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:17:04):
I hope you replied.
Is it at least requisite cellarwine?
It better have been.
Yeah right, Tom, he was so off.
The first thing.

Speaker 3 (02:17:15):
I said when I called him I go Michael.
That was a cute theory.

Speaker 1 (02:17:17):
He the worst, he was so bad the worst friend of the
world I got it was a cute theory, michael, he almost had me
buying it.
It was just.
It was just.
It was total fan fiction man.
And it's like the thing is he'snot wrong in like his
perception of how it could go.
He was just wrong in thedetails.

(02:17:38):
But like he is right about thechurch ratcheting right and left
and like we're just goingfurther, left still, and when it
lurches right it's gonna snapit's gonna be a.

Speaker 4 (02:17:48):
It's gonna be an, even, especially if this is a
20-year pontificate.

Speaker 1 (02:17:52):
Oh, boy I.
I think there's a very goodpossibility we could live
through the great apostasy fromthe top.

Speaker 4 (02:17:58):
Did you hear about the?

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
IED set off in Pennsylvania rectory.

Speaker 4 (02:18:00):
No, someone lit a stick of dynamite on an altar in
Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
American Pope guys.
Maybe world events will converthis.
Who knows?
We don't even know what he'sgoing to.
He hasn't done anything yet.

Speaker 4 (02:18:24):
He hasn't done anything yet.
We can't be mad at the guy yet.
What he did we liked, so we'regoing to chill.
I mean everything he has doneas pope so far, which is
obviously like nothing you know,I mean, and maybe, like tim
says, maybe it it is all justtrying to get us to let our
guards down.
But yeah, you can't be mad atwhat he's done as Pope so far.

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
It was very cool to see a Pope step out and pull
full papal regalia.

Speaker 4 (02:18:48):
It's been a long time .

Speaker 1 (02:18:49):
Yeah, it's been a long time it felt cool, it did.
Dressed like a Pope.

Speaker 4 (02:18:56):
And you know him like he, he teared up right.
You know, out there I mean Iand I.

Speaker 1 (02:19:04):
I don't want to get hopeful, but yeah, well, this
was, this was fan fiction to metoo, like so when I saw, when I
saw it was never, gonna be him.
Yeah, it was like it was nevereven a remote chance of that.
So when I saw life sitereleasing that article, I was
like this is just boomer porn,like it's just, you even had a.

Speaker 4 (02:19:20):
You had a canadian cardinal.
Come on and say that heshudders at the thought of the
africans like it was never goingto be.

Speaker 1 (02:19:28):
Yeah, sarah yeah, like I, it was just it's, it's
it's trad fan fiction.
Is what stuff like that is, youknow?
So when I see that I'm just,why are you even giving people
that idea?
It's like it's silly.
Yeah, we read Cardinal Burke'stweet.
It's you know.
Look, they're telling us toobey the Pope, the people we

(02:19:48):
love, the people we look to.

Speaker 4 (02:19:50):
I guess I wasn't watching closely enough for this
.
Let's hope, let's hope.

Speaker 1 (02:19:57):
Come on, can, we can.
But just just be reasonable inyour hope.
That's all I'm saying, likedon't be shocked, don't be
shocked when things don't gogreat, like just just be, just
just be prepared, that's all.
Prepare for the worst and hopefor the best.
Yeah, hey, does my mic actuallysound better?

Speaker 4 (02:20:14):
yeah, yeah.
So both of us got new mics.
So once Anthony decided to geta new mic and I told him we'd
get the same mic I had I decidedI had to get a new mic so that
I still sound better thanAnthony, no matter what.
And then I realized well crap,I should have just sent him my
old mic then.

Speaker 1 (02:20:34):
Bobby said this to me today he goes.
You think the weight of 1.4billion souls on his shoulders
might make him live up to hisname.

Speaker 4 (02:20:40):
Let's pray let's pray that it does so bobby said that
that's cute hope.

Speaker 1 (02:20:43):
Bobby, it's a cute hope.
I love you so they're sayinganthony's mic is much better I'm
guessing mrs c says yes to youdo I sound like I have the
sounds of smooth jazz comingover these microphones?

Speaker 4 (02:20:58):
You'll never be Mark Robertson.

Speaker 1 (02:21:00):
No, I'll never be.
Mike sounds great today andthat is correct.
It is 8 billion souls.
But let him focus on the 1.4billion for now and we'll
convert the rest.
Just focus on the 1.4 billionand you'll convert the others.

Speaker 4 (02:21:15):
Yeah, we don't need a pope that focuses on the 2
billion Muslims and says screwyou to all the dads.

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
Yeah, I still.
I still think they're trying toget us to worship the devil
guys.
But you know, I'm still prettyfirm in that pieces.
It hasn't happened yet, but notquite, but it sounds much
better Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:21:33):
All right guys.

Speaker 1 (02:21:33):
million souls we're gonna wrap this one up, because
I have to wake up early for worktomorrow and we did two hours
and 20 minutes.
We really do need to pray forhim every day.
Absolutely, pope leo the 14th,it sounds weird to say it, it
sounds good, doesn't it it doessound so much better than
francis oh, francis, because weall know what he was trying to

(02:21:56):
get out with francis we.

Speaker 4 (02:21:57):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:21:59):
Pope leo just sounds cold it does stop it you're
giving me hope and you know what.

Speaker 4 (02:22:04):
No matter what at least we're not gonna get
karaoke, at least it wasn'ttagre.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
That's good point.
No, tagre, I'm sure, thatgambling story, that gambling
story came out, when thegambling story came out, all I
could think could think of iswhen I'm in Atlantic City and
it's just Chinese people sittingat the table like this.
They're down like five grand.

Speaker 4 (02:22:27):
They're chain smoking and they're drinking the
cheapest hard alcohol possible.

Speaker 1 (02:22:32):
I totally see Toggle doing that.
It's like really At theblackjack table smoking 19
cigarettes in a row, getting thehouse to give him enough.
So, Paul, he's actuallyethnically Chinese.
He's Chinese, but lived inPhilippines.

Speaker 4 (02:22:52):
I try not to live up to stereotypes.
Do other people just like yeah,you know what I'm going to
completely live up to, you knowstereotypes.
Do other people just like yeah,you know what I'm going to
completely live up to, likeevery stereotype I can.

Speaker 1 (02:23:01):
So the thing is, if it was togley?
If it was togley, it would havebeen a total mockery of the
like.
He was so goofy and he wouldhave come out like this
everybody he would have beendancing up on the logia.
It's like I, I don't care, I'lltake pope leo.
At least he's serious demeanorand he's wearing papal regalia.

(02:23:25):
Like all right, at least, atleast the destruction of the
church will go down in stylelike what do you want?
No, never be sad.
If you knew the real saintfrancis, you'd never be sad.
Do not let pope francis ruinthat name.
Uh, tagliatelle would have beenpapal biden.

Speaker 4 (02:23:45):
Yeah, um you know it will be so.
It will be interesting to seeif anything changes with the
relationship with China, justbecause, if there's any truth to
Leo now having been aRepublican, right he's American,

(02:24:18):
he's got gotta have a good ideaof china from american
perspective, right it's not.
It's not like you know, francis, and in argentina you want to
know what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (02:24:26):
I'm looking to see if he keeps parolin as secretary
of state.
I'm looking to see if he keepstuco fernandez as the cd, I
wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (02:24:33):
I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps tuco.
That's what I'm looking for?

Speaker 1 (02:24:38):
I want to see some.
I want to see some personnelchanges.
That's what I wouldn't besurprised if he keeps Tuco.
That's what I'm looking for.
I want to see some personnelchanges.
That's where you're going toknow when the rubber hits the
road.
When you see personnel changes,Does he put Burke back in a
position where he's at least gotsome kind of prestige again?

Speaker 4 (02:24:51):
Maybe that was part of the deal, a potential deal?
I don't think that's kind ofsimony.

Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
So I don't think he's kind of simony.
So I don't think I don't like,I don't think he said I'll do
this, but I think your respectwill be given back to you, right
, you know, like we will not,we'll no longer castigate our
fellow cardinals and bishopslike.
So I would love to see, likepositions of honor given to a
burke.
I would like I would.
I would just like to see the acouple of.
So we're going to play it byear.
We love you guys.
We hope you guys stick around.
Gave us a little leeway to venta little bit.
Today it was a rough day.

(02:25:23):
We promise you the next.
The next show is going forward.
Unless something crazy happens,we're going to try to stay off
this topic.
If anything, we might likehighlight some cool things.
You know, if we're going to getthose little bits of dribs and
drabs of things given to us,we're going to highlight them.

Speaker 4 (02:25:40):
I mean especially because there's things like the
vestments today.
There's things that, if you'vebecome Catholic since 2013, you
haven't seen them, yeah, youknow.
So maybe we should have showson stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
Yeah, all right, guys , we're going to wrap this up.
I have to wake up at two 30 inthe morning, but we're going to
do an early show tomorrow.
I'll be on here with NickCavazos.
So thank you to everybody whosuper chatted tonight.
You guys have no idea how muchyou help us.
We'll do.
We will get back to locals Nowthat the conclave is over.
We kind of chilled out withlocals a little bit the last

(02:26:16):
week.
If you guys aren't localsmembers, we do a lot of good
stuff over there.
We will get back to thatstarting on Tuesday's show.
Maybe me and Nick will dosomething on local tomorrow.
We'll see how the live audienceis.
So any parting words, rob?

Speaker 4 (02:26:34):
You know what?
At the very least, we're donewith Francisis, that's it it's a
good way to part pope.

Speaker 1 (02:26:41):
Pope leo the 14th, long may he reign.
I hope I'm not saying that outof turn.
Long may he reign, well.
Oh may he reign well, all right.
All right guys, we'll see.
We'll see you guys tomorrow.
All right guys, we'll see youguys, tomorrow.

(02:27:01):
We'll see you tomorrow, thankyou.

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