September 23, 2025 • 57 mins
Have you noticed the seismic shift happening in Catholic media? The comfortable patterns established during the Francis papacy have been utterly disrupted by Pope Leo's different leadership style, leaving content creators scrambling to adapt.
For ten years, Francis provided a steady stream of controversial statements and actions that united conservative and traditional Catholics in shared concern. As Anthony observes, "Francis made normal Novus Ordo conservative Catholics feel like they had more in common with trads than they did with the Pope." This environment spawned an entire industry of Catholic media outlets that thrived on daily papal headlines.
Enter Pope Leo, who speaks in what Anthony calls "squishy platitudes that allow everyone to hear what they want." This dramatic change has exposed the unsustainable nature of outrage-driven content. We're witnessing former allies taking shots at each other not because they disagree on substance, but because they're struggling to find new approaches in this changed landscape.
Christian challenges fellow Catholic content creators to examine their mission: "The call of the Catholic is to take over the world, is to say that Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ is coming again." He argues that many talented people in Catholic media have been wasting their gifts on sensationalizing papal news rather than creating content that advances Christ's kingdom.
The conversation extends beyond just traditional Catholic circles, touching on how liberal Catholic media outlets like "Where Peter Is" are similarly affected. Both hosts advocate for a return to substance over sensation, relationship-building over viral moments, and reconciliation between Catholic media figures who found temporary unity under Francis.
Whether you're a content creator yourself or simply a consumer of Catholic media, this episode offers crucial insights into the changing dynamics of faith communication in the digital age. How will Catholic media evolve in the Pope Leo era? What strategies will prove sustainable? Join us as we explore these questions and more.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm sorry, guys.
I know you all wanted yourtaffy intro.
We're going to save the taffyintro for locals tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, we got a big, big show tonight because I have
my member stream.
You guys got your local stream.
Mine's going to be on membersand Patreon, so we'll see who
gets the signups tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So the original game plan was Michael Lawton
threatened to sue us.
So Christian and I have beenspeaking a little bit and he's
like let's just get on and we'lltalk about it.
And uh, something big happenedbehind the scenes where we're
like, okay, we can't talk aboutthat because, um, michael,
michael had reached out to bothof us.
(01:14):
So we're not going to discussit on youtube.
But if you guys can reach intoyour pockets and scrape some
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Answers or Avoiding Babylon atLocals, you guys will get.
We spill the tea over on Locals.
That's what Molly says.
Right, molly says that's whatwe spill the tea.
(01:35):
So, yeah, we're going todiscuss it over there.
Christian actually had aconversation with Michael and
Michael emailed me, so we'll getinto it over there.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Anthony likes to act like a tough guy.
You know me, I was.
I was like carrying both mykids, getting my fishing stuff
together, drinking some beer,and you know I I got the phone,
you know like that doing it, andI had a whole conversation like
that.
Anthony's just like calls me.
He's like Christian, I don'tknow what to do.
I'm really nervous about.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
yeah, I had to be the man here and you know, deal
with business, but anthony likesto talk big game I, um, I will,
I'll discuss, I'll, we'll talkabout it over there, because I
don't want to, I don't want todo it on youtube.
But, uh, we both have someinteresting perspectives on this
and and we'll see how that goes.
But I, I am, I have beentalking to you a little bit
(02:27):
behind the scenes about justlike I feel like there's a
monumental shift coming inCatholic media.
I kind of wrote a tweet aboutthis the other day saying I mean
you want to pull it up or Idon't want to go through this
whole stupid thing.
But Francis one, yeah, I threwit in there.
(02:49):
So I I'm not going to read theentire thing, but, um, I said
pope francis was the lifebloodof the trad movement.
He pushed normie conservativecatholics into the trad column.
He spawned an entire industryof new catholic media where
every day there was a newheadline to be outraged by.
For 10, 10 years Francis calledCatholics who leaned
conservative names names likerigid and backwardist.
He made normal Novus Ordo.
(03:11):
Conservative Catholics feellike they had more in common
with trads than they did withthe Pope.
That era is over.
Pope Leo is not that villain.
Gosh, I just did the wholestupid thing.
No, I just do the whole stupidthing.
No, my, my, my, my final thingin there said Leo is going to
kill the trad movement, not witha heavy hand, but with squishy
platitudes that allow everyoneto hear what they want.
(03:33):
Entire media companies thatflourished under Francis are
going to collapse If they don'tfigure out a new strategy.
I want to be very clear.
I didn't mean the trad movement, I'm talking about catholic
media.
Um, I think the trad movement,like the real trad movement,
will probably look more similarto what it did under benedict
and you know, when they weregetting their indult and then
(03:55):
some more of them came out, itkind of expanded a little bit.
But what we experienced underfrancis was very unique in that
it made people come togetherthat probably would not have
come together otherwise.
And I'm watching guys who werefriends under Francis now
(04:15):
starting to take shots at eachother and take jabs at each
other, and I don't think it'sactually about anybody's
position on Leo.
I think it's like a battle,battle of strategy.
They can't figure out what todo.
You have all these people justkind of scrambling for how to
react under leo and I'm I'mcurious to see how this all
(04:37):
plays out, because I I mean, Idon't know nick cabasa I think,
leaving the trad movement Ithink there was something, uh,
because I mean we named it likethe end of trad Catholicism.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Obviously, you know, we're not talking about the
people who go to an SSPX mass orthe people who go to whatever
sort of mass or live whateversort of lifestyle.
We're mainly talking about atype of media complex, of media
(05:07):
complex.
But I think that while we namedit trad Catholicism, I think it
is really the any sort ofenvironment that thrives off of
sensationalism surrounding thePope, and that wasn't only
right-leaning, that was alsoleft-leaning.
You had a lot of differentmedia that was based on trying
to make the Pope sounds like acommunist, marxist and, you know
(05:27):
, reach out to that sort ofsector for a type of liberal who
wanted to use that to dunk onCatholics.
You had a type of media thatwas Pope-planning.
You know people who were outthere simply to try to reconcile
the statements of Francis withtradition, sometimes attacking
tradition, sometimes stretchinga little bit in how to interpret
(05:50):
Francis.
So I think that each one ofthese different groups, if that
was your thing like, if you likefor me, for example, that
wasn't really like my thing,like I would talk about it, but
I did a million other thingsLike that was maybe 10% of the
actual content that I made.
So switching over to adifferent form of Pope tracking,
like I do with my bi-weeklyPope Leo stream or bi-monthly, I
(06:15):
guess, pope Leo stream, that'ssome sort of completely
different content thansensationalizing the Pope.
So I think on every single sideyou have a lot of people uh
losing their footing and you'regonna see the destruction of um.
Quite a few of these differentmedia groups thrived off of that
sort of um content yeah I.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Do you want to say something?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I was gonna say, yeah , I think're right, it's not
just the trad side.
I don't think where Peter isexists without Pope Francis.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I haven't seen where Peter is in forever.
Leo also killed the PopeSpleener.
You know what I mean, and thisisn't me saying Leo is this
great guy.
I have my opinions on leo.
I think leo, I mean I'll.
I think leo is a perfectembodiment of what I see
(07:11):
happening in the church rightnow, which is kind of the.
The church in its passion isweakened and, um, because I I
mean I don't care if you agreewith my stance on this is very
you, you know, opinion,completely opinion.
I think that the church isgoing through her passion and I
would imagine if the church isgoing through her passion, it's
(07:34):
not like the church is teachingheresy, it's that it's kind of
weakened and it's not boldlyproclaiming the truth, it's kind
of soft peddling things to notbe so offensive.
And I kind of see Leo as theembodiment of that, where even
in that interview we just sawwith, with crux, I don't know
why everybody's saying crux,it's crux, right, the crux of
the matter Isn't that.
It's bizarre the way people arepronouncing that.
(07:56):
But and it's not a knock to Leo, it's not anything.
Leo I is a product of Vatican IICatholicism and he's terrified.
He's a boomer, so he's afraidto offend people, you know, and
he's kind of exactly what Iexpected him to be.
He's not like he's.
I'm not surprised by any of it,and I'm watching people react
(08:19):
like they did under Francistoward him, like this last
interview.
They're acting like he's arevolutionary and he's just not.
He's not at all a revolutionary.
You're not going to see thesame outrage about him.
He's just he.
I think he's a.
I think he's a faithfulCatholic that's afraid to offend
people, which is a very commonthing.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
Um, I think more people nowunder Leo are willing to to.
When they see those headlinesof like pope leo does this, pope
leo said this, I think they'remore likely to roll their eyes
and move on rather than actuallylike getting enraged about it.
I think the example of theinterview is really good,
(08:59):
because there was a statementthat he made in there like oh uh
, I don't foresee the church'steaching changing on homosexual
issues, yeah.
And it's like well, yeah, Idon't think any of us foresee
the church's teaching changingon homosexual issues.
Um, that's not really the thepoint, right?
I mean that that's somethingthat we can all agree upon.
It's just stated in such a wayas to be liable to um a
(09:22):
multitude of interpretations.
It's a very softened way ofstating it rather than just
going out there and saying whichyou know, francis himself
actually spoke like this to sayno.
It is like, for example, in theinterview with 60 minutes on
issues surrounding femalepriests, female deacons.
They asked him straight up,like you know, is it ever
possible for this to happen?
(09:43):
He said no.
They asked him straight up,like you know, is it ever
possible for this to happen?
He said no, no.
If he said something like that,something like Francis framed
that issue, you know, peoplewould somehow have a greater
reverence for him.
Even though, technicallyspeaking, those two statements
communicate the same content,they just communicate them in
different ways.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's interesting because I'm watching people see
the same interview and pullingcompletely different things.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah it's, it's such a it's like it's you're.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I watched gavin ashen and talk about, like, decoding
him.
And then I'm watching uh, Iwatched stephen cox's video
today and I so I actuallyunderstand all of these
arguments and I'm I'm looking atthem and I'm saying I I get
like the Uber trads who are likeno, we need a Pope who's going
(10:32):
to speak clearly and speak thetruth.
And then I also get the peoplewho are like no, no, no, he's
trying to be a, he's trying tobe gentle and go about it this
way.
And then you have James Likewe're still in this scenario
where the James Martins and theCardinal Burks are both claiming
him to be their guy.
Yeah, and it's such a weirdplace to be in the church right
(10:52):
now.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I was crashing out over this a little bit, because
this is really like thestupidest People really.
I think they're getting boredand they're trying to look at
because with France it's like,you know, I I love them, I
defended them, but it was prettyeasy every day to find
something to get pissed offabout.
Yeah, uh, and just reading, youknow, daily sermons and letters
(11:16):
and whatever, it's fine, it'seasy to find something to get
pissed off about if you're ofthe right disposition.
But with leo it's kind ofreally boring.
Um, like when I I don't mean itlike that, but when I read
that's how, that's all I've beensaying I'm like we're gonna
have a boring.
Boring, actually.
Like when I read through a lotof his magisterium, I read
through everything he's everwritten, um, as pope.
When I read through a lot of it, I actually like, in my streams
(11:37):
I don't really cover a lot ofthings because it's like, uh,
okay, he's going to, you know,speak about the Sunday gospel
and he just kind of explains itlike you wouldn't hear in your
Sunday morning homily.
Like there's nothing likespecial about it, except you
know it's the gospel and that'sawesome and it's explaining
sacred scripture, but it's not,you know, exciting, you know
it's not provocative, you don'treally see anything like that.
(12:00):
And Pope Leo he has.
So, people, what they have to dois really, in order to generate
the same sort of like mediastir, the same sort of
controversy, what they reallyneed to do is they need to look
for stuff to get pissed offabout.
So they're like, ah, he metcardinal burke and then you see
people just like getting pissedoff about.
It's like I met, you know,father james martin, and father
james martin said this they getpissed off about.
(12:22):
And really, if you're at thepoint that you are now
scrupulously looking through allof the people that the Pope
meets, you need to grow up.
You should be doing betterthings with your life.
It's really such a waste oftime.
It's like, why are you doingthis?
There are genuine things to getpissed off about the um, the
(12:43):
lgbt, uh, mass, you know, inrome, that's genuinely, if you
get pissed off about it, uh, youare exactly disposed to the
right sort of affections and ifyou're trying to explain this
away, or if you're not pissedoff about this, then you really
need to have an examination ofconscience and you need to think
about some things, because thatshould drive you to some very
(13:05):
righteous anger.
Yes, exactly, drive you to somerighteous anger.
And that's, I guess, all that Ihave to say, because if you're
comparing, you know, meetingwith somebody to the LGBT mass
and that's, in your mediapresentation, the same thing,
(13:25):
you're kind of missing the point.
You're missing a point ofproportionality with how you
express things.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think that I'm looking at it like we have 15
years of Pope Leo ahead of usand I'm very concerned with
things like what Rob just had toendure because of tradition he
wanted his custodos to get hischild baptized.
Like he has to travel fourhours.
(13:52):
We couldn't get a priest set upto actually do it.
Like people's lives are chaoticright now because they want a
Latin mass and we're going tohave 15 years of Leo.
So I understand both approaches.
I understand the people who arelike we cannot.
The truth, we need to speak thetruth.
And then I also understand thatpeople are going look, we have
to be a little strategic aboutthis.
(14:12):
Like the pope's extending anolive branch, why would you not
want to give that?
Like extend one back and say,okay, we're, we're like.
Why would you?
Why would you want to make thedaily lives of your fellow
Catholics a living hell just forclicks at this point?
Like we're not in the Francisera anymore.
I think that we all have tofigure out a new strategy for
(14:36):
all of this and how we even dosocial media, how we do our
YouTube channels Like it wasvery easy to generate this
outrage for years under Francis.
I mean, rob and I made thedecision early on.
We're like we're not going todo people news every day.
So this show isn't actuallyabout Leo.
The show is about, like the,the media, how people respond.
(14:59):
Yeah, it's.
It's more just me seeing peoplethat I genuinely like handling
Leo the same way they handledFrancis, and I'm like you guys
are going to have a very bigproblem if you don't figure out
something new, because we haveto get back to just actually
discussing the faith, teachingthe faith, preparing the next
generation, because a lot ofthese outlets and I'm saying
(15:21):
this with affection to you guys,if you're watching you're not
speaking to the youngergeneration by doing the boomer
clickbait stuff, like theyounger generation does not
respond.
They're still doing the samething they did on the Francis,
(15:46):
and I want to know how we passthe faith onto the next
generation and actuallycatechize them so that we do
have this longer term strategyfor when we can get the most
baseball ever for real.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's um, this is, this is
really good, because I thinkthere's both a like descending
and there's also like anascending aspect to this.
There's two aspects becausethere's obviously the aspect of
the relationship of the contentcreator with those consuming the
content, like your averagelayman.
For me to and I get it's alittle bit hypocritical because
(16:21):
the fact that this is a showabout you know this sort of
thing and we're not just goingin and talking about you know,
the incarnation or whatever orsomething in the spiritual life,
but having a constant sort ofdiet of contemporary news coming
out of Rome, with who's gettingappointed where, or you know
(16:42):
whatever else is there, thatreally doesn't feed those people
to be able to actually engagein Catholic action.
That's something that I want toinstill in everybody is that
you know you should takeespecially the teaching of Leo,
because I think he's reallyreally good on this.
You should take all of what youhear and you should actually
put it into action, whether it's, you know, in your parish or in
(17:02):
the government or in businessor whatever else.
So there's that descendingaspect where people are starving
in the content realm foractually quality material that's
just not rehashed takes ofrehashed takes about whatever's
going around Twitter right now.
There's also an ascending thing, so us in the hierarchy,
because I think a lot of contentcreators forget and this is
(17:24):
something that I've beenrealizing more and more in the
last few months that actuallyRome kind of.
We have this image that Romelike doesn't know who Taylor
Marshall is, or Rome doesn'tknow who Michael Lofton is, or
Rome doesn't know who, like thesort of what is going on in the
content sphere in theAnglo-speaking world, and I
(17:46):
think that's actually completelywrong.
I actually think that there issome sort of general awareness
of what is going on through alot of these different outlets,
and I think a lot of people inRome actually know some of these
outlets by name and have a verybad taste in the mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And I think that this actually does affect the way in
which we get treated.
Of course it's not, you know,victim blaming, but it is a way
of understanding that we need tobe, as you said, we need to be
prudent about.
If we want to better ourchances of change, then the best
way of going about it is not tocry wolf all the time Like sure
(18:24):
.
If there is actually somethinglegitimately bad and there are
very strong grounds for bringingthis up I mean, you're not just
a logging the pope like you'rethere's actually a situation
which people are genuinelyscandalized, like the situation
with the LGBT mass.
To freak out about that, tospeak out about that, to make a
stink about that, that makessense.
And if that was the only thingwe freaked out about, the to,
(18:44):
you know, make us think aboutthat, that makes sense.
And, uh, if that was the onlything we freaked out about the
last six months, you know, ifthat's how, uh, the trad media
sphere worked, that wouldactually probably get a much
better hearing.
It's kind of like, you knowwhen, uh, when you have the
woman who always complains allthe time, you know the broad's
always complaining she'scomplaining about something all
the time you know she complainsabout something serious.
(19:05):
You know, you just kind offilter it out.
That's why women are alwayscomplaining about their husbands
not listening to them, becausethey're always complaining.
They complain once every month.
You're probably listening.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Pick your battles, ladies.
Pick your battles and maybewe'll pay attention to you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's really the exact same reason why Anthony waits
30 days to hang things on thewalls, Because if he did it all
the time, it would just becomeexpected of him Exactly.
But if he does it once a month,then for that day he is a hero.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I told you out of principle I will leave a picture
.
My wife will ask me to hangsomething and out of principle I
won't do it for 30 days Becauseif I did just hang it right
away I'd come home the next dayand there'd be another picture
for me to hang.
So I leave it there for 30 daysand then, when she's not home,
I will hang it without herasking and then when she comes
home and sees it hung, shethinks I'm a hero.
I'm telling you it's very easyto to to make yourself seem way
(19:55):
better of a person than you arein your marriage anyway.
Um, so um.
What's interesting with with Leois under Francis you had, when
fiducia supplicants comes out,every news article comes out
saying that Francis is allowingfor gay blessings.
What happened with this Leointerview is the total opposite.
(20:17):
But every news outlet going outlike the mainstream news came
out and they were likeo puts thekibosh on lgbt, because you
know they basically took theopposite approach.
So I know we, as you know, moreconservative or trads are
reading that and we're like man.
This sounds really squishy, buta big one of the biggest
(20:40):
problems with francis was thescandal he caused through the
way he spoke and the way themedia ran with everything.
You're not seeing that underLeo.
You're seeing actually theopposite, because I think even
they can perceive the somethingdifferent here.
My, my thing is he's a he's apost-conciliar Pope, like he's
(21:01):
just this is what you're goingto get.
So I want to bring the nextgeneration up, not with a spirit
of hatred, like I want to bringthe next generation up and even
even look, I kind of laughed atstephen cox.
Stephen cox was like cardinalburke's, giving orders to trad
inc.
To taylor marshall and michaelmatt and telling them to shut up
(21:21):
and zip it.
Now, at first I thought he wasnuts, but now I'm kind of
thinking about it and maybeBurke did say something to them
and they're listening.
Now, if you're in theirposition, a cardinal of the
Catholic Church comes to you andasks you something, do you not
like?
Would you not obey a cardinalof the Catholic Church if he
(21:43):
came to you and said something?
Like I'm trying to understandpeople's logic in this.
Yeah, if Cardinal Burke comesto me and says I'm asking this
of you, I'm sorry, I'm going toobey him.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
What if it was Koopage man?
But to your point, if aCardinal said, hey, big man with
a little beard, listen up, I'dbe like yes, sir, we're not
allowed to go there.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Settle down, Rob.
What was that?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I think everything Rob you just Come on, that was
funny.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You are such a bad guy.
Come on, that wasn't that bad,I know.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
He had to chuckle a little at that Come on.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, I was thinking that we were all thinking that.
But I think what's good withLeo is he actually totaled
Pope's planer vindication.
With Leo, it's kind of funny.
Pope Leo is literally, when youlook at the commentary on
Fiducia Supplicans, pope Leo isliterally doing the exact same
(22:41):
thing that the the pope'splanners uh were doing when the
document came out.
So w pope's planners, pope leo,he has, uh, he has confirmed
and he's and he's reallyaccepting francis's uh legacy in
a uh spirit of continuity.
I think that's in in a way wayof kind of toning down some of
the more controversial aspects,which is exactly what I think is
(23:03):
needed.
I know that you guys wouldprobably prefer Pius XIII to go
into like start, you know,flipping tables and stuff, but I
really do think that, for thehealth of the church, that there
is not a catastrophic split anda catastrophic exodus from the
(23:23):
church, I think that it isactually positive to boil the
frog rather than throwing themin the boiling water.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think you have to make a decision Are you a set of
a contest or not?
Like?
If you are not a set of acontest, you have to rethink the
way you're doing this.
Papacy Like it's not.
I understood the outrage underFrancis.
I even get, like, why peopleare frustrated with Leo and he's
doing the same thing and he'snot wording things Right.
(23:53):
I'm just I'm not a set of acontest, Like I know everybody
wants me to be.
I'm just I'm not a set of acontest.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Like I know everybody wants me to be.
I'm not and that's not you.
I know he talked to threepeople specifically.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's just, if we're not, we have to think about what
we're going to do, goingforward, and I don't I don't
know what people's plan Like.
I do see guys trying to adaptand handle things differently,
and I think that's a good thing.
I think that something newneeds to come in the Catholic
media realm and I would like tosee now that we don't have a
(24:29):
pope who's hostile towards evenconservative, because that was
my point in the tweet is thatFrancis acting hostile towards,
like people who just lovedreverence, and it wasn't just
trads he was going after.
So if you have somebody who'snot hostile, it should be a time
for brothers to make peace,which is going to lead to the
(24:49):
after show We'll figure that outtoo but it should be a time
where, ok, we don't have afather who's abusing us, like a
lot of us perceived francis tobe doing.
I know, christian, you didn'tsee it that way, but a lot of
people did feel that way.
So if we have a father who'snot so abusive, it should be a
time for brothers to reconcileat minimum.
Whether you're thrilled withwhat's happening in rome or not.
(25:13):
It should be a time where wecan all open up communication
and start talking to one anotheragain.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Wait, what?
Seriously?
No way.
I haven't heard from Jeremiah,so nothing would surprise me,
it's over, it's over.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I think that you're right.
I think that a lot of themission of Catholic media should
be very much sharpened.
I've been thinking about this alot with myself.
We've, anthony and I, we'vetalked over the phone.
I've talked over the phone witha few other people as well,
trying to like think about how Iwant the future of my content
to go Like.
What is the sort of practicalend that I'm seeking?
(25:55):
Because a lot of the time itfeels like a lot of the Catholic
media is just content for thesake of content Like it's, it's
following the trends ofwhatever's being spoken about in
media.
You want a content.
Actually, there was Kyle said afunny thing to me.
He said that eventually, a lotfor a lot of people that the
(26:16):
their content creation becomes amonster that they have to feed
so they can feed their familylike that that's what it is for
them listen and they're justthrown in whatever, whatever
works basically, that's actuallya really good point, right?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
so a lot of these guys are still like this is
always something that I I raisedabout being like a professional
catholic, that that you getinto the problem of like I'm
dependent upon this now.
So I have to do the mostoutrageous thing to get clicks.
Rob and I are in a uniquesituation that we have day jobs,
right?
(26:50):
So I don't I'm working 16 hoursof construction a day.
Sometimes I don't actually havetime to sit and read and then
present you guys with like atheological topic, which I would
love to do, and I hope to do iton occasion, but for the most
part, I really my only option isto just discuss whatever's
happening and whatever's on mymind that day.
I don't have time to give youguys something you know of in
(27:13):
depth at all times.
I hope to do that throughinterviews, things like that,
but the danger in when you dothis for a living is that you
just need to get clicks.
All right, we get it.
Yeah, I know I say the samething all the time, but you guys
trying to just share with you alittle bit of the difficulty in
what we do is because I had mybrother.
(27:36):
My brother gave us a commentlast time we did a show and he's
like what don't rob and anthonyget back to doing?
Talking about the catholicfaith and stuff so, and he was
just breaking our chops.
But I had to actually say tohim like joe, I'm, you're on my
crew all day, like we worktogether.
When do you want me to likewhat?
Do you want me to do?
Studies of sumo while I'm atwork, like I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I used to do that when I worked at walmart did you
, yeah, did you really work atwalmart?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
is that, yeah, that's where it comes from.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, dude, where else was I supposed to work when
I uh joined the catholic churchand was completely without a,
without a job, with a newbornchild?
I could work construction likeanthony, but you know, I've want
to keep my soft hands.
I actually did my, my dad's aconstruction superintendent and
I actually did work with him in,uh, one winter, so I uh I know
(28:27):
how easy it is, it's not thathard.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
He's crying for nothing especially like the past
week.
I've been sick for the pastweek.
I've been barely sleeping.
I have all these ideas goingthrough my head and I watch
pretty much everybody's stuffwhen I'm driving and I try to
keep an eye on what everybody'sdoing.
I would like to see people cometogether.
(28:51):
I'm tired of the infighting,I'm tired of the warring
factions and stuff like that.
I would like to see them cometogether.
I know there's going to be somepeople who are just like I'll
know.
You know I can't.
I can't associate with thesepeople, but it'd be nice to see
everybody helping each other outand doing stuff together.
Can't we all just get along?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
sing kumbaya if anthony's uncle is watching.
Anthony meant to say he listenswhile he drives yes, yeah, I
don't watch I agree.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I think that we need the, the broad coalition,
because there's this weird thingthat happens on the internet.
I don't know exactly what it isor why it is.
I I jokingly tweeted out I, Rob, you actually tweeted something
similar to this is basicallylike I need to stop crashing out
(29:41):
on everybody who I agree withon 99% of things.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's like a real thing, literally no reason.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Somebody will make a snarky comment in response to
something I say.
So I just have to give anuclear-level crash out in the
replies and, like you know, posttheir, post, their docs and you
know, send, uh, send a divisionof wagnerites, you know, to
their house and you know I justhave to go like full-on, um, you
know, uh, scorched earth withthis person.
(30:09):
But really I think that a lotof the collaboration and having
a broader idea of, like whatwe're doing here, because a lot
of times and this was kind of mypoint mentioning the content
for're doing here, because a lotof times and this was kind of
my point, mentioning the contentfor the sake of content a lot
of people don't actually havelike a very missional idea of
what they're doing on theinternet.
They're kind of like, oh, it'snot that serious.
You know we're just doing livestreams or we're just doing
(30:29):
videos, but this idea of likejust doing x or just doing y, I
don't think that's reallyappropriate.
When it comes to catholic media,there really should be a
broader and wider vision.
Like the call of the catholicis to take over the world, is to
say that christ has died,christ has risen christ.
He's coming again.
(30:50):
Christ is, uh, redeemed, all ofcreation, not merely our souls
and bodies, but all of creation,and therefore anything we're
doing is meant to further thiskingship.
And having a broad idea of 10,15, 20 years down the line, how
am I going to further thekingship of Christ within
whatever sphere that I'm given aspot in like, however small or
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however large it is?
I think that's very important.
So, doing content for the sakeof content rather than for the
sake of furthering the kingshipof Christ, I think that's
something that a lot of us needto think about, and I think that
a lot of the sensationalizingthat had to or did happen under
Francis was very unfortunate,because I've been a public
(31:36):
opponent to a lot of the tradinc people like I, I will admit
it.
You know we've disagreed on alot of things, we've had public
falling outs, fights, whatever,but a lot of them are very
talented people, a lot of themare very bright people, very
smart people, people who, ifthey put their minds to more
productive contents, uh, theycould change a lot of hearts.
(31:57):
They could lead.
They could lead to a dominoeffect wider than they could
change a lot of hearts.
They could lead to a dominoeffect wider than they could
ever imagine.
And the fact that they're outthere doing news reports,
basically, and sensationalizingcontent on whatever Pope Francis
did yesterday, it's veryunfortunate.
It's a waste of talents.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
They are burying their talent by doing content
like that yeah, I think um, likethe, the, the, the place where
I might be able to offerassistance is I have a lot of
conversations with um people inin the world, like I'm much more
in the world than I think mostpeople are.
(32:36):
Um, and it even comes to likethis weekend I was away and
there's somebody that was awaywith us had just gotten in
trouble with the law.
And this person, because theygot in trouble, they, they were
talking to me and my friend,Bobby, was there.
Bobby came, Bobby watches theshow and he came.
(32:58):
They were actually said theywere reflecting on their sins
because they had gotten introuble with the law.
They got caught stealing andthey were like, when this
happened, I finally just had todo a little bit of thinking
(33:18):
about my life and and I startedthinking about all my sense.
So now this person is opened upto reflecting on their, their
life a little bit.
They're, they started going backto mass but they have
absolutely no catechesiswhatsoever and we just sat and
we started talking and justgoing through some stuff and
there's a lot of, even frompeople who are raised Catholic.
(33:39):
There's a lot of Protestantcultural stuff that drips in and
you know, you think becausethis person was raised in a
Catholic home and all this stuff, the amount of Protestant stuff
you have to deprogram out ofeven your, your cradle Catholics
, who should know better it's.
(34:00):
It's really important how yougo about those conversations,
because I very easily could havescared this person off, you
know, by by over and and going.
I'm being very careful becauseI'm on YouTube and my family
watches, but you know it's those.
Those conversations are what Itry to share with people so that
if they come across a situationlike that in their lives, they
(34:22):
might have some success in theareas where I've had success in
sharing the gospel without going.
Have you accepted Jesus as yourpersonal Lord and Savior?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Have you accepted Mary as your personal mother and
intercessor?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's absolutely how I went about it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And that shirt is available for purchase, guys.
Link down below.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, don't buy that.
Spend the money on the YouTubemembership so you don't have to
be a local Right, get out of thelocals.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I've never done it to a guest before.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Have you heard about the owner of Locals, the owner
of Rumble, that's all I'll say.
Oh yes, I will not be furthercommenting on that, because I
want to keep our YouTubechannels up.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Man, some interesting things have been happening on
YouTube with just even liveconcurrent viewers and the way
YouTube counts the stuff.
One thing I will ask you guysis, if you're watching this,
leave comments, not in the livechat, leave comments in the
video, because when they see alot of interaction, that's when
they like.
They said yeah, you know, theylike to see if our videos cause
conversations and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So, yeah, guys out there, if you, if you've seen
your favorite content creatorlike doing weirdly, like more
clickbaity stuff over the lasttwo ish months, like more
clickbaity stuff over the lasttwo-ish months.
The reason for that is becauseof the weird counting changing
and the notifications changingand the algorithms shift so
they've been getting lesserviewership than normal.
(35:47):
So a lot of people thought thatit was because their content
was more boring than normal sopeople stopped watching it.
So they had to like ramp upthat.
I've seen that with a lot ofpeople, but I just took the
month off.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, but what's interesting is our interactions
and all our other metrics arethe same, but our view counts
are down.
It's like a weird thing.
Our view counts are down, butall other metrics are the same.
It's like I don't know what'sgoing on with it.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That would be hilarious if it was literally
just a counting change andeverybody thought that their
audiences were getting nuked.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That does thought that their audiences were like
getting nuked, that that doesseem to be what it is.
People are saying, like they'vebeen looking at their like to
view ratio and like that youknow it used to be, say they
would get 50 of their number ofviews and likes.
Now it's like 80 or 90.
Their number of likes hasstayed the same but the views
has dropped, so it seems to beyoutube's just changing the way
how they count views.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Can I live stream your local stream after this he?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
did pay us five bucks right there.
That is true.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You can live stream my member stream.
I will give you the permission.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Alright, so before we do because we're going to keep
this one short we do have somelive chats Before we even get to
the live chats.
We will get to those before wedo, because we're going to keep
this one short we do have somelive chats Before we even get to
the live chats.
We will get to those before wewrap up here.
But my point to the trats Ithink it's time to like.
You guys have to come togetherand figure something out.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And being entertaining does help.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Sorry Very much, something out because I'm
watching does help very much,very much.
Um, the a lot, of, a lot ofwhat I'm seeing out there is
just this this I don't, I don'tlike what I'm seeing.
That's all I'm saying.
You know, I I'm seeing guyssniping at each other who, I
know, agree in substance and arejust it's, it's a difference in
approach, and they're they'rethey're fighting about an
(37:39):
approach, and I think thereshould be some kind of a
conversation to be had, cause Ithink that we we blow it on as
conservatives and trads.
We blow it every time by nothaving a long-term strategy for
things Like there needs to besome long-term strategy for
things like there needs to besome long-term planning, some
(38:00):
ways that we can maybe like turnthe turn the ship around down
the road.
We want everything now, now,now, now, and it's not going to
work.
So we do have to.
We have to figure some thingsout.
We might have to have someconversations with people, bring
them on and get people talking.
Hopefully we could pull thatoff.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, I think another I guess my closing thought
somebody actually a former Ateacher of mine reached out to
me recently and he was askingabout content creation stuff,
how he goes about it.
He's just starting out.
What are the tips and stufflike that?
(38:38):
And I think one of the thingsthat I wanted to emphasize the
most, because I've seen peoplenot do this and then completely
destroy their entire channel.
Basically, you want to focus onbuilding an actual audience,
and that's very important,because when you have like an
actual relationship betweencontent creator and an audience,
(39:01):
there's actually something thathappens with that, that
stabilizes.
So for a lot of the people outthere who kind of want, want to,
you know, monkey around and uh,mess around with trying to just
like get the view count up onas many videos as they can, you
know, and get a, get this viralvideo here and get that viral
(39:23):
video video here and there, andthat's going to like create a
sustainable sort of channel thatjust doesn't work.
So really you're you're shootingyourself in the foot by doing
the sensational stuff when, ifyou just kind of were a, you
know, a more, a more boring,stable, honest broker, you know,
just creating quality contentover time you're going to get an
(39:44):
audience and that audience isgoing to they're going to be
dedicated to what you have tosay.
They're going to.
They're going to like what youhave to say.
They're going to like what youhave to say.
They're going to follow whatyou have to say.
They're going to actually notjust watch for entertainment but
actually to get out somethingfrom what you say.
So I think that the sort oflike long-term strategy of the
stratosphere of a lot of verytalented and skilled people who
(40:06):
could really help with thefurthering of the gospel skilled
people who could really helpwith the the furthering of the
gospel I think that that wouldbe a much, uh, more healthy way
of looking about it rather thantrying to like seek those
short-term gains that end up ina long-term and that's exactly
what will happen out there, likeyou, if you okay.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
So, and a lot of this will come back to our
conversation on locals because,like, how often built his
channel was by like going afterTaylor Marshall and going, and
you will build an audience doingthat, like you will, but
there's not really like along-term sustainability in that
and we're starting to see thatI'm I don't mean to bring Lofton
(40:46):
up, I really don't.
I'm saying because we, we'vedone that too.
Everybody can do that.
If you go and pick, you know, agroup and start attacking that
group and picking people in thatgroup, you will make a name for
yourself but you're gonna,you're gonna destroy
relationships and you're notgoing to build beyond this tiny
little bubble that you createfor yourself and then, and then
(41:06):
you're going to constantly betrying to chase that.
You're going to see that theonly time you get those views is
when you're criticizingsomebody.
Like it isn't easy to do anentertaining show regularly,
it's very difficult.
And like our show is like I'mnot trying to be some trad icon
at all, really just two guyshaving a conversation about
(41:28):
catholicism, from whether it'sfrom within the news that day or
something deep spiritualexperience that one of us had at
some point, or raising ourchildren and what's helped in,
you know, catechizing our kidsin this secular world, things
like that.
But I'm telling you, it's easyto go for the, for the
low-hanging fruit, and takeshots at somebody by name and
(41:48):
you will build a channel.
You could do a video saying hasAnthony left Trad Inc?
Has Anthony left Trad?
I thought, like Nick Cavazosdid today, you'll get a couple
clicks, nick, but I don't knowif it's a good long-term
strategy.
I love Nick Cavazos.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
You got cuffed in that video by the way, I was
totally cheering you when I waslistening to it.
I'm sorry, but if you guyswatch it, I'm so sorry to point
this out, nick, but it's likeone of his lips was super
chapped.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh, leave me alone, stop it.
It was driving me nuts.
I was like watching it.
His lip was super chapped and hekept licking it and I was
saying I think some peoplemisunderstood my tweet.
They thought I was saying likethe trad movement is going to
die.
And I don't think the tradmovement is going to die, I just
(42:39):
think it's going to go backdown to a size more like it was
under Benedict and it's going tobe more faithful people.
And that might be a good thing,because I think it was
overinflated and there werethese entire media conglomerates
that were built and blew up,especially during COVID.
Like COVID happened andeverybody's channels blew up
because everybody was sittinghome and then they thought they
(42:59):
were going to sustain that.
And to keep people's attentionis so difficult these days.
There's so much competition outthere.
There's 80 billion podcasts forpeople to listen to.
Competition out there, there's80 billion podcasts for people
to listen to.
It's just you have to.
You do have to build anaudience that actually likes you
and not just clicks because ofwhat topic you're covering or
who you're interviewing, andthat's a really tricky thing to
(43:20):
do.
We're just teasing you, nick.
We love you, bud.
Sorry my lips.
Sorry my lips.
Bother you, christian.
I will try.
Yeah, why you gotta be meanchristian?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
that's not nice, it's just the the altism struck at
the wrong moment time.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Too much tylenol nick , we love you, you'll be.
You'll be on the next one we doa christian, but we're uh, all
right, let's read the superchats before we, before we head
out okay, um, why do you so?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
why do you think trads embrace Kirk?
I would assume Charlie or Eric.
Armature and the Trent Horntypes don't.
Is it a feminism thing?
I think they'd be all for theecumenism.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
What in the world is that?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I don't know what he means by that.
Why, like Trent Horn and thoseguys, didn't embrace Charlie.
I don't know.
Is it Charlie, or why, likeTrent Horn and those guys,
didn't embrace Charlie?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I don't know if that's a Charlie or Erica.
The feminism comment makes methink Erica.
The trend, maybe Charlie too,cause right, cause Charlie was
anti-feminist.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Maybe we could discuss on locals also what you
guys thought of the Charlie KirkMemorial, because I have kind
of mixed feelings about it and Idon't want to.
I don't want to just jump onand I've very strong feelings,
very strong.
All right, well, we'll hearthose over there.
All right, well, I didn't watchit, so I saw clips.
(44:41):
That's the thing.
I didn't watch it.
I saw clips and, um, yeah, so,like fed, fed's a protestant and
he watches our show regularly.
He says we're fun.
It doesn't always have to be.
I know I'm very adversarial toProtestants on Twitter, but a
lot of it's just sarcasm, crazyhumanism going on right now.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
I can't handle it.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Let's see here.
So this is not so much forAnthony, because he doesn't
really know, but Taffy wants toknow if we think we'll a 30 odd
six, have an exit, a body at 150yards.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Look all I'm going to say, rob.
All I'm going to say I don'tknow whether we'll disagree on
this I have not a hell of a lotof deer.
I've skinned and gutted a hellof a lot of deer who've been
shot with a .30-06.
If I shot somebody in the neckwith that, there's gonna be an
exit hole, I can guarantee youit's, yeah, it's unlikely to not
(45:42):
have an exit wound, but bulletsdo do crazy things.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
But it's, I don't know man, the only thing I could
think um some ranges, indoorranges, especially made for
rifles, make you use frangibleammo right because they don't
want the rifle roundspenetrating into like a backstop
.
You wanted to break up, somaybe the maybe the idiot was,
you know went to his range andjust used whatever range and
(46:08):
when they made him buy and itwas frangible and it just
shattered, maybe on a spine orsomething, I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
It is unlikely oh, you got guns and rosaries for
this stop, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
He paid us 20, you care for 20 yeah, some guy, uh,
mores ultra, shout out the moresultra.
He gave me 50 memberships.
So I I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So everybody can watch the after show on.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Lofton.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I want to see somebody give 50 locals
memberships.
Guys, let's go.
Can you gift locals?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
memberships I don't know you can give coins or
something, yeah, coins Oy vey.
So JD says Oy vey, give me 50locals coins.
Yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
We're still on YouTube.
So, yeah, give, or you beg,give me 50 locals coins.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yes, I know it is.
We're still on youtube, um so,um yeah.
Bishop paprocki said honoring apublic figure who has actively
worked to expand and entrenchthe right to end an innocent
human life in the wombundermines the very concept of
human dignity and solidaritythat the award purports to
uphold, which he's talking about.
Supich giving an award to aDemocrat politician.
(47:12):
And then Archbishop Cordelionesaid I stand in solidarity with
solidarity with Bishop Paprockiin Springfield, illinois, in
urging Cardinal Supich toreconsider giving Senator Durbin
a lifetime achievement awardthrough the Archdiocese of
Chicago's Office of HumanDignity and Solidarity, given
his long record of supportinglegal abortion.
Bishop Paprocki, who is SenatorDurbin's bishop, has expressed
(47:36):
shock that the Archdiocese plansto honor Senator Durbin who,
although a self-professedCatholic, supports access to
abortion so radically that hehas even opposed legislation to
protect babies born after anattempted abortion.
Bishop Paprocki is correct thatboth clarity and unity are at
risk.
I hope this will be a clarioncall to all members of the body
of Christ to speak out to makeclear the grave evil that is
(48:00):
taking of innocent human life.
I'm sorry, but this statementdoes not happen under Francis.
This does not.
People were terrified theywould get strickland.
I'm telling you, there'ssomething happening where our
bishops are like okay, new pope,I'm going to start speaking out
and they're going bishopagainst bishop, publicly.
(48:21):
So it's a unique moment um sohouse.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
music for 50 has a so house music is my little
Patrick.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Little Patrick came to Italy with me.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Little Patrick who was supposed to come to
Pennsylvania and we called him,like you, coming to PA.
He's like no, I'm in Japan.
I don't know how the heck he'sin Japan.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Well, he asked a question of me and he sent a
super chat on your channel.
I told him he that I mightsuper chat tonight, okay he said
I might super chat tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I go, you better super chat on my channel and not
wagner's channel, because I'llkill you next time I see you
that's fair enough.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Wow, someone's like okay, does prayer aid the
development of moral virtues?
I know that it depends onaction, but if I'm praying for
courage or magnanimity,magnanimity magnanimity even,
even if it depends on my action.
I can't imagine the Godwouldn't help us in that
situation.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to the natural moral
virtues, there are the virtueswhich are somehow essentially
supernatural.
So faith, hope, charity, thegifts of the Holy Ghost are also
habits, et cetera, et cetera.
Charity, the gifts of the HolyGhost are also habits, et cetera
, et cetera.
And there are those which arenaturally.
(49:34):
They are essentially natural,but they are modally
supernatural.
So by modally supernaturalbasically means that it is
something that comes to us in asupernatural way.
So all of the moral virtues andnatural intellective virtues,
they come to us by sanctifyinggrace.
(49:54):
And when it comes to theexercise of these virtues, we
can think about the increase oftheir adhesion in us.
We can think about thedifferent obstacles in our
faculties, like we might have,you know, in our faculties, like
we might have a superfluousamount of concupiscence or
(50:14):
irascible behavior, or we mayhave various different vices
that order us in different ways.
When we're asking God toincrease in us these different
virtues, he's aiding us inremoving all of those contrary
habits, aiding us instrengthening the adhesion of
those virtues within us, to aidus and give us those good
(50:34):
inspirations so we can considerthe goodness of the exercising
of those virtues, to actuallyelect to carry them out.
So there's many different ways,like if you want to
scientifically break it out,break it down in moral theology
and look at the variousdifferent aspects of the
exercise of a virtue, like wecan talk about all those things,
but the short answer is justyes, like God can aid you in the
(50:57):
exercise of even naturalvirtues.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
I'm glad to see our audience finally super chatting
a bit, because Christian'saudience super chats like crazy
on his show.
I've caught your live streams.
Your audience is very generous.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I'm like, you guys are awesome.
Well, somebody on my side saidsorry, but trad larpers who
don't chant the hours in latinevery day but screech about
vatican 2 are the actual enemy.
Just my opinion.
So real, you guys are so cuckedright now I learned.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
I learned that I don't know the angelus in latin.
Last week we were away with abunch of guys and they know the
Angelus in Latin.
Last week we were away with abunch of guys and they said the
Angelus in Latin.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
I was like I only know the Hail Mary.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, I only know the Hail Mary and the Glory of God.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Trad.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
LARPer, trad LARPer.
I am a Trad LARPer.
That's it.
We got a couple more.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Andy paid us $30.
I don't know what he means, butwhat?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
about.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Cavazos, though, Sorry.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Andy, if you're asking, we love Nick.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Someone said that they're broke, but they really
wanted us to answer this.
So sorry, anthony, but do youthink there's a connection with
an Augustinian pope and apresident that talks a lot about
peace?
Because St Augustine talks alot about peace as a supreme
good of life.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Oh yeah, he asked me that question on mine too, but I
accidentally skipped over it.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I think there's more of a connection between the fact
that we have the first AmericanPope and we have an American
president who acts like anemperor, and I'm more, I'm more
interested in that connection,you know, because I see, I see
america as like the new romanempire and we have the first
american pope.
I think that's a connection.
(52:42):
But what do you think aboutsaint augustine?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I think there's an interesting connection with leo
the 13th, because when you readimmortality day, what you see is
that basically the, thepolitical program of the
catholic church is based onsaint augustine and specifically
um, on the city of god, inresponse to the claims against
christianity and the good of thestate.
Like this is leo the 13th, likehe completely, uh, explains
(53:08):
political Catholic politicalphilosophy in light of this.
So I think that when it comesto Leo XIII, he also had a very
sharp understanding of theAmerican situation, the
different virtues that theAmerican people have, the hope
that we have for the Americanpeople in the future, if, when
she accepts the Catholic faith,and he, I think it was very
(53:29):
clear that Leo XIII thought thatAmerica would eventually accept
the Catholic religion in itsfullness, not only in a
truncated way, like a lot ofAmericans viewed the effects of
Catholicism on in the civilsphere.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Somebody's asking if I know the Our Father.
Father, yes, I know the wholerosary.
I know all the responses atmass, because I'm not that bad.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Uh, jd, I would say so, my wife was so jd asked what
is your advice to get yourspouse into tlm?
Speaker 2 (54:00):
thank you, rob.
I'm terrible about actuallyreading the questions and I know
people get driven nuts by that.
Um, I can only share myexperience.
My wife was very resistantearly on and it was because I
kept pressing it.
Um, but eventually I just askedher to go and I and I didn't
argue with her about veiling, Ijust brought her and she fell in
love with the music and theaesthetics of it at first.
(54:23):
And after bringing her severaltimes, without like arguing
about why it's this and that, Ijust kind of left it to god.
And now my wife, she just shejust likes the novus order more
than I do.
Um advice for a diocesanseminarians who are traditional
(54:47):
don't be an idiot.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Do not be an idiot.
If you try to be a hero, youwill get screwed over.
Okay, your bishop will bury you.
If you try to be a hero and youact like an idiot, okay, be
smart.
Do not spurg out.
Okay, I'm telling, I've seen itbefore all these off to tylenol
seminaries they spurg out.
You know, I think they're goingto be a hero and change their
(55:11):
bishop's mind and they gethammered into the dust.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yeah, then they have to go to an old Roman Catholic
bishop to get ordained and it'sjust not pretty.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm not sure if I'm going to promote Mass of the
Ages until I get a call fromCameron.
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Cameron's still you know, still still stealing her
idea A call asking you to comeon or a call apologizing for
stealing the film series.
You're the one that broughtthat up.
I dropped a little hint atsomething.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
here you just.
What am I going to do aboutthis guy?
Speaker 3 (55:48):
You're yapping about him on the phone for like an
hour all right.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
So what we are going to do now, we are going to go
over to locals and christians ummembers only and we're going to
discuss what happened behindthe scenes.
Michael often reached out umand we'll we'll get into that,
and then I think we're going todiscuss the Charlie Kirk
Memorial.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
I'm thanking all my people for the super chats Come
over to Locals.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Guys Like, where else are you getting a show?
Come on, like I'm so tired ofyou guys watching the
YouTube-only portion.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
Okay, well, I'm switching over to my member
stream, or, if you're a patron,I posted a link there as well,
so I'm switching my stream over.
All right, rob.
Thank you everybody, god bless.
Remember to like subscribe,yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
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scholastic answers, go throw hima sub.
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Uh, it's five bucks a month.
You could get like a singleepisode for four bucks and then
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People are asking how much.
It is, um, very much worth thethe money.
We we do a locals episodepretty much every show we do,
and that's where we can get alittle little more spicy and we
don't have to worry about, youknow, the general public
watching what we say.
So, all right, we're headingover take it out family.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, okay, I'm just so, because the video you want
to play on locals, i'm'm goingto just remove all the public.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, remove YouTube and then we'll have an intro
video.
We have an intro video comingthat only locals gets, so if
you're still watching on X getover there quick.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
I already stopped mine and started my member
stream, so I started before you,which means that everyone's
going to flood.
I'm sorry, guys.
I know you all wanted yourtaffy intro.
We're going to save the taffyintro for locals tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, we got a big, big show tonight because I have
my member stream.
You guys got your local stream.
Mine's going to be on membersand Patreon, so we'll see who
gets the signups tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So the original game plan was Michael Lawton
threatened to sue us.
So Christian and I have beenspeaking a little bit and he's
like let's just get on and we'lltalk about it.
And uh, something big happenedbehind the scenes where we're
like, okay, we can't talk aboutthat because, um, michael,
michael had reached out to bothof us.
(01:14):
So we're not going to discussit on youtube.
But if you guys can reach intoyour pockets and scrape some
pennies together and stop beingcheap and come subscribe to
either Christian's channel orour channel either Scholastic
Answers or Avoiding Babylon atLocals, you guys will get.
We spill the tea over on Locals.
That's what Molly says.
Right, molly says that's whatwe spill the tea.
(01:35):
So, yeah, we're going todiscuss it over there.
Christian actually had aconversation with Michael and
Michael emailed me, so we'll getinto it over there.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Anthony likes to act like a tough guy.
You know me, I was.
I was like carrying both mykids, getting my fishing stuff
together, drinking some beer,and you know I I got the phone,
you know like that doing it, andI had a whole conversation like
that.
Anthony's just like calls me.
He's like Christian, I don'tknow what to do.
I'm really nervous about.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
yeah, I had to be the man here and you know, deal
with business, but anthony likesto talk big game I, um, I will,
I'll discuss, I'll, we'll talkabout it over there, because I
don't want to, I don't want todo it on youtube.
But, uh, we both have someinteresting perspectives on this
and and we'll see how that goes.
But I, I am, I have beentalking to you a little bit
(02:27):
behind the scenes about justlike I feel like there's a
monumental shift coming inCatholic media.
I kind of wrote a tweet aboutthis the other day saying I mean
you want to pull it up or Idon't want to go through this
whole stupid thing.
But Francis one, yeah, I threwit in there.
(02:49):
So I I'm not going to read theentire thing, but, um, I said
pope francis was the lifebloodof the trad movement.
He pushed normie conservativecatholics into the trad column.
He spawned an entire industryof new catholic media where
every day there was a newheadline to be outraged by.
For 10, 10 years Francis calledCatholics who leaned
conservative names names likerigid and backwardist.
He made normal Novus Ordo.
(03:11):
Conservative Catholics feellike they had more in common
with trads than they did withthe Pope.
That era is over.
Pope Leo is not that villain.
Gosh, I just did the wholestupid thing.
No, I just do the whole stupidthing.
No, my, my, my, my final thingin there said Leo is going to
kill the trad movement, not witha heavy hand, but with squishy
platitudes that allow everyoneto hear what they want.
(03:33):
Entire media companies thatflourished under Francis are
going to collapse If they don'tfigure out a new strategy.
I want to be very clear.
I didn't mean the trad movement, I'm talking about catholic
media.
Um, I think the trad movement,like the real trad movement,
will probably look more similarto what it did under benedict
and you know, when they weregetting their indult and then
(03:55):
some more of them came out, itkind of expanded a little bit.
But what we experienced underfrancis was very unique in that
it made people come togetherthat probably would not have
come together otherwise.
And I'm watching guys who werefriends under Francis now
(04:15):
starting to take shots at eachother and take jabs at each
other, and I don't think it'sactually about anybody's
position on Leo.
I think it's like a battle,battle of strategy.
They can't figure out what todo.
You have all these people justkind of scrambling for how to
react under leo and I'm I'mcurious to see how this all
(04:37):
plays out, because I I mean, Idon't know nick cabasa I think,
leaving the trad movement Ithink there was something, uh,
because I mean we named it likethe end of trad Catholicism.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Obviously, you know, we're not talking about the
people who go to an SSPX mass orthe people who go to whatever
sort of mass or live whateversort of lifestyle.
We're mainly talking about atype of media complex, of media
(05:07):
complex.
But I think that while we namedit trad Catholicism, I think it
is really the any sort ofenvironment that thrives off of
sensationalism surrounding thePope, and that wasn't only
right-leaning, that was alsoleft-leaning.
You had a lot of differentmedia that was based on trying
to make the Pope sounds like acommunist, marxist and, you know
(05:27):
, reach out to that sort ofsector for a type of liberal who
wanted to use that to dunk onCatholics.
You had a type of media thatwas Pope-planning.
You know people who were outthere simply to try to reconcile
the statements of Francis withtradition, sometimes attacking
tradition, sometimes stretchinga little bit in how to interpret
(05:50):
Francis.
So I think that each one ofthese different groups, if that
was your thing like, if you likefor me, for example, that
wasn't really like my thing,like I would talk about it, but
I did a million other thingsLike that was maybe 10% of the
actual content that I made.
So switching over to adifferent form of Pope tracking,
like I do with my bi-weeklyPope Leo stream or bi-monthly, I
(06:15):
guess, pope Leo stream, that'ssome sort of completely
different content thansensationalizing the Pope.
So I think on every single sideyou have a lot of people uh
losing their footing and you'regonna see the destruction of um.
Quite a few of these differentmedia groups thrived off of that
sort of um content yeah I.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Do you want to say something?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I was gonna say, yeah , I think're right, it's not
just the trad side.
I don't think where Peter isexists without Pope Francis.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I haven't seen where Peter is in forever.
Leo also killed the PopeSpleener.
You know what I mean, and thisisn't me saying Leo is this
great guy.
I have my opinions on leo.
I think leo, I mean I'll.
I think leo is a perfectembodiment of what I see
(07:11):
happening in the church rightnow, which is kind of the.
The church in its passion isweakened and, um, because I I
mean I don't care if you agreewith my stance on this is very
you, you know, opinion,completely opinion.
I think that the church isgoing through her passion and I
would imagine if the church isgoing through her passion, it's
(07:34):
not like the church is teachingheresy, it's that it's kind of
weakened and it's not boldlyproclaiming the truth, it's kind
of soft peddling things to notbe so offensive.
And I kind of see Leo as theembodiment of that, where even
in that interview we just sawwith, with crux, I don't know
why everybody's saying crux,it's crux, right, the crux of
the matter Isn't that.
It's bizarre the way people arepronouncing that.
(07:56):
But and it's not a knock to Leo, it's not anything.
Leo I is a product of Vatican IICatholicism and he's terrified.
He's a boomer, so he's afraidto offend people, you know, and
he's kind of exactly what Iexpected him to be.
He's not like he's.
I'm not surprised by any of it,and I'm watching people react
(08:19):
like they did under Francistoward him, like this last
interview.
They're acting like he's arevolutionary and he's just not.
He's not at all a revolutionary.
You're not going to see thesame outrage about him.
He's just he.
I think he's a.
I think he's a faithfulCatholic that's afraid to offend
people, which is a very commonthing.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
Um, I think more people nowunder Leo are willing to to.
When they see those headlinesof like pope leo does this, pope
leo said this, I think they'remore likely to roll their eyes
and move on rather than actuallylike getting enraged about it.
I think the example of theinterview is really good,
(08:59):
because there was a statementthat he made in there like oh uh
, I don't foresee the church'steaching changing on homosexual
issues, yeah.
And it's like well, yeah, Idon't think any of us foresee
the church's teaching changingon homosexual issues.
Um, that's not really the thepoint, right?
I mean that that's somethingthat we can all agree upon.
It's just stated in such a wayas to be liable to um a
(09:22):
multitude of interpretations.
It's a very softened way ofstating it rather than just
going out there and saying whichyou know, francis himself
actually spoke like this to sayno.
It is like, for example, in theinterview with 60 minutes on
issues surrounding femalepriests, female deacons.
They asked him straight up,like you know, is it ever
possible for this to happen?
(09:43):
He said no.
They asked him straight up,like you know, is it ever
possible for this to happen?
He said no, no.
If he said something like that,something like Francis framed
that issue, you know, peoplewould somehow have a greater
reverence for him.
Even though, technicallyspeaking, those two statements
communicate the same content,they just communicate them in
different ways.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's interesting because I'm watching people see
the same interview and pullingcompletely different things.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah it's, it's such a it's like it's you're.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I watched gavin ashen and talk about, like, decoding
him.
And then I'm watching uh, Iwatched stephen cox's video
today and I so I actuallyunderstand all of these
arguments and I'm I'm looking atthem and I'm saying I I get
like the Uber trads who are likeno, we need a Pope who's going
(10:32):
to speak clearly and speak thetruth.
And then I also get the peoplewho are like no, no, no, he's
trying to be a, he's trying tobe gentle and go about it this
way.
And then you have James Likewe're still in this scenario
where the James Martins and theCardinal Burks are both claiming
him to be their guy.
Yeah, and it's such a weirdplace to be in the church right
(10:52):
now.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I was crashing out over this a little bit, because
this is really like thestupidest People really.
I think they're getting boredand they're trying to look at
because with France it's like,you know, I I love them, I
defended them, but it was prettyeasy every day to find
something to get pissed offabout.
Yeah, uh, and just reading, youknow, daily sermons and letters
(11:16):
and whatever, it's fine, it'seasy to find something to get
pissed off about if you're ofthe right disposition.
But with leo it's kind ofreally boring.
Um, like when I I don't mean itlike that, but when I read
that's how, that's all I've beensaying I'm like we're gonna
have a boring.
Boring, actually.
Like when I read through a lotof his magisterium, I read
through everything he's everwritten, um, as pope.
When I read through a lot of it, I actually like, in my streams
(11:37):
I don't really cover a lot ofthings because it's like, uh,
okay, he's going to, you know,speak about the Sunday gospel
and he just kind of explains itlike you wouldn't hear in your
Sunday morning homily.
Like there's nothing likespecial about it, except you
know it's the gospel and that'sawesome and it's explaining
sacred scripture, but it's not,you know, exciting, you know
it's not provocative, you don'treally see anything like that.
(12:00):
And Pope Leo he has.
So, people, what they have to dois really, in order to generate
the same sort of like mediastir, the same sort of
controversy, what they reallyneed to do is they need to look
for stuff to get pissed offabout.
So they're like, ah, he metcardinal burke and then you see
people just like getting pissedoff about.
It's like I met, you know,father james martin, and father
james martin said this they getpissed off about.
(12:22):
And really, if you're at thepoint that you are now
scrupulously looking through allof the people that the Pope
meets, you need to grow up.
You should be doing betterthings with your life.
It's really such a waste oftime.
It's like, why are you doingthis?
There are genuine things to getpissed off about the um, the
(12:43):
lgbt, uh, mass, you know, inrome, that's genuinely, if you
get pissed off about it, uh, youare exactly disposed to the
right sort of affections and ifyou're trying to explain this
away, or if you're not pissedoff about this, then you really
need to have an examination ofconscience and you need to think
about some things, because thatshould drive you to some very
(13:05):
righteous anger.
Yes, exactly, drive you to somerighteous anger.
And that's, I guess, all that Ihave to say, because if you're
comparing, you know, meetingwith somebody to the LGBT mass
and that's, in your mediapresentation, the same thing,
(13:25):
you're kind of missing the point.
You're missing a point ofproportionality with how you
express things.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think that I'm looking at it like we have 15
years of Pope Leo ahead of usand I'm very concerned with
things like what Rob just had toendure because of tradition he
wanted his custodos to get hischild baptized.
Like he has to travel fourhours.
(13:52):
We couldn't get a priest set upto actually do it.
Like people's lives are chaoticright now because they want a
Latin mass and we're going tohave 15 years of Leo.
So I understand both approaches.
I understand the people who arelike we cannot.
The truth, we need to speak thetruth.
And then I also understand thatpeople are going look, we have
to be a little strategic aboutthis.
(14:12):
Like the pope's extending anolive branch, why would you not
want to give that?
Like extend one back and say,okay, we're, we're like.
Why would you?
Why would you want to make thedaily lives of your fellow
Catholics a living hell just forclicks at this point?
Like we're not in the Francisera anymore.
I think that we all have tofigure out a new strategy for
(14:36):
all of this and how we even dosocial media, how we do our
YouTube channels Like it wasvery easy to generate this
outrage for years under Francis.
I mean, rob and I made thedecision early on.
We're like we're not going todo people news every day.
So this show isn't actuallyabout Leo.
The show is about, like the,the media, how people respond.
(14:59):
Yeah, it's.
It's more just me seeing peoplethat I genuinely like handling
Leo the same way they handledFrancis, and I'm like you guys
are going to have a very bigproblem if you don't figure out
something new, because we haveto get back to just actually
discussing the faith, teachingthe faith, preparing the next
generation, because a lot ofthese outlets and I'm saying
(15:21):
this with affection to you guys,if you're watching you're not
speaking to the youngergeneration by doing the boomer
clickbait stuff, like theyounger generation does not
respond.
They're still doing the samething they did on the Francis,
(15:46):
and I want to know how we passthe faith onto the next
generation and actuallycatechize them so that we do
have this longer term strategyfor when we can get the most
baseball ever for real.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's um, this is, this is
really good, because I thinkthere's both a like descending
and there's also like anascending aspect to this.
There's two aspects becausethere's obviously the aspect of
the relationship of the contentcreator with those consuming the
content, like your averagelayman.
For me to and I get it's alittle bit hypocritical because
(16:21):
the fact that this is a showabout you know this sort of
thing and we're not just goingin and talking about you know,
the incarnation or whatever orsomething in the spiritual life,
but having a constant sort ofdiet of contemporary news coming
out of Rome, with who's gettingappointed where, or you know
(16:42):
whatever else is there, thatreally doesn't feed those people
to be able to actually engagein Catholic action.
That's something that I want toinstill in everybody is that
you know you should takeespecially the teaching of Leo,
because I think he's reallyreally good on this.
You should take all of what youhear and you should actually
put it into action, whether it's, you know, in your parish or in
(17:02):
the government or in businessor whatever else.
So there's that descendingaspect where people are starving
in the content realm foractually quality material that's
just not rehashed takes ofrehashed takes about whatever's
going around Twitter right now.
There's also an ascending thing, so us in the hierarchy,
because I think a lot of contentcreators forget and this is
(17:24):
something that I've beenrealizing more and more in the
last few months that actuallyRome kind of.
We have this image that Romelike doesn't know who Taylor
Marshall is, or Rome doesn'tknow who Michael Lofton is, or
Rome doesn't know who, like thesort of what is going on in the
content sphere in theAnglo-speaking world, and I
(17:46):
think that's actually completelywrong.
I actually think that there issome sort of general awareness
of what is going on through alot of these different outlets,
and I think a lot of people inRome actually know some of these
outlets by name and have a verybad taste in the mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And I think that this actually does affect the way in
which we get treated.
Of course it's not, you know,victim blaming, but it is a way
of understanding that we need tobe, as you said, we need to be
prudent about.
If we want to better ourchances of change, then the best
way of going about it is not tocry wolf all the time Like sure
(18:24):
.
If there is actually somethinglegitimately bad and there are
very strong grounds for bringingthis up I mean, you're not just
a logging the pope like you'rethere's actually a situation
which people are genuinelyscandalized, like the situation
with the LGBT mass.
To freak out about that, tospeak out about that, to make a
stink about that, that makessense.
And if that was the only thingwe freaked out about, the to,
(18:44):
you know, make us think aboutthat, that makes sense.
And, uh, if that was the onlything we freaked out about the
last six months, you know, ifthat's how, uh, the trad media
sphere worked, that wouldactually probably get a much
better hearing.
It's kind of like, you knowwhen, uh, when you have the
woman who always complains allthe time, you know the broad's
always complaining she'scomplaining about something all
the time you know she complainsabout something serious.
(19:05):
You know, you just kind offilter it out.
That's why women are alwayscomplaining about their husbands
not listening to them, becausethey're always complaining.
They complain once every month.
You're probably listening.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Pick your battles, ladies.
Pick your battles and maybewe'll pay attention to you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's really the exact same reason why Anthony waits
30 days to hang things on thewalls, Because if he did it all
the time, it would just becomeexpected of him Exactly.
But if he does it once a month,then for that day he is a hero.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I told you out of principle I will leave a picture
.
My wife will ask me to hangsomething and out of principle I
won't do it for 30 days Becauseif I did just hang it right
away I'd come home the next dayand there'd be another picture
for me to hang.
So I leave it there for 30 daysand then, when she's not home,
I will hang it without herasking and then when she comes
home and sees it hung, shethinks I'm a hero.
I'm telling you it's very easyto to to make yourself seem way
(19:55):
better of a person than you arein your marriage anyway.
Um, so um.
What's interesting with with Leois under Francis you had, when
fiducia supplicants comes out,every news article comes out
saying that Francis is allowingfor gay blessings.
What happened with this Leointerview is the total opposite.
(20:17):
But every news outlet going outlike the mainstream news came
out and they were likeo puts thekibosh on lgbt, because you
know they basically took theopposite approach.
So I know we, as you know, moreconservative or trads are
reading that and we're like man.
This sounds really squishy, buta big one of the biggest
(20:40):
problems with francis was thescandal he caused through the
way he spoke and the way themedia ran with everything.
You're not seeing that underLeo.
You're seeing actually theopposite, because I think even
they can perceive the somethingdifferent here.
My, my thing is he's a he's apost-conciliar Pope, like he's
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just this is what you're goingto get.
So I want to bring the nextgeneration up, not with a spirit
of hatred, like I want to bringthe next generation up and even
even look, I kind of laughed atstephen cox.
Stephen cox was like cardinalburke's, giving orders to trad
inc.
To taylor marshall and michaelmatt and telling them to shut up
(21:21):
and zip it.
Now, at first I thought he wasnuts, but now I'm kind of
thinking about it and maybeBurke did say something to them
and they're listening.
Now, if you're in theirposition, a cardinal of the
Catholic Church comes to you andasks you something, do you not
like?
Would you not obey a cardinalof the Catholic Church if he
(21:43):
came to you and said something?
Like I'm trying to understandpeople's logic in this.
Yeah, if Cardinal Burke comesto me and says I'm asking this
of you, I'm sorry, I'm going toobey him.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
What if it was Koopage man?
But to your point, if aCardinal said, hey, big man with
a little beard, listen up, I'dbe like yes, sir, we're not
allowed to go there.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Settle down, Rob.
What was that?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I think everything Rob you just Come on, that was
funny.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You are such a bad guy.
Come on, that wasn't that bad,I know.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
He had to chuckle a little at that Come on.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, I was thinking that we were all thinking that.
But I think what's good withLeo is he actually totaled
Pope's planer vindication.
With Leo, it's kind of funny.
Pope Leo is literally, when youlook at the commentary on
Fiducia Supplicans, pope Leo isliterally doing the exact same
(22:41):
thing that the the pope'splanners uh were doing when the
document came out.
So w pope's planners, pope leo,he has, uh, he has confirmed
and he's and he's reallyaccepting francis's uh legacy in
a uh spirit of continuity.
I think that's in in a way wayof kind of toning down some of
the more controversial aspects,which is exactly what I think is
(23:03):
needed.
I know that you guys wouldprobably prefer Pius XIII to go
into like start, you know,flipping tables and stuff, but I
really do think that, for thehealth of the church, that there
is not a catastrophic split anda catastrophic exodus from the
(23:23):
church, I think that it isactually positive to boil the
frog rather than throwing themin the boiling water.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think you have to make a decision Are you a set of
a contest or not?
Like?
If you are not a set of acontest, you have to rethink the
way you're doing this.
Papacy Like it's not.
I understood the outrage underFrancis.
I even get, like, why peopleare frustrated with Leo and he's
doing the same thing and he'snot wording things Right.
(23:53):
I'm just I'm not a set of acontest, Like I know everybody
wants me to be.
I'm just I'm not a set of acontest.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Like I know everybody wants me to be.
I'm not and that's not you.
I know he talked to threepeople specifically.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's just, if we're not, we have to think about what
we're going to do, goingforward, and I don't I don't
know what people's plan Like.
I do see guys trying to adaptand handle things differently,
and I think that's a good thing.
I think that something newneeds to come in the Catholic
media realm and I would like tosee now that we don't have a
(24:29):
pope who's hostile towards evenconservative, because that was
my point in the tweet is thatFrancis acting hostile towards,
like people who just lovedreverence, and it wasn't just
trads he was going after.
So if you have somebody who'snot hostile, it should be a time
for brothers to make peace,which is going to lead to the
(24:49):
after show We'll figure that outtoo but it should be a time
where, ok, we don't have afather who's abusing us, like a
lot of us perceived francis tobe doing.
I know, christian, you didn'tsee it that way, but a lot of
people did feel that way.
So if we have a father who'snot so abusive, it should be a
time for brothers to reconcileat minimum.
Whether you're thrilled withwhat's happening in rome or not.
(25:13):
It should be a time where wecan all open up communication
and start talking to one anotheragain.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Wait, what?
Seriously?
No way.
I haven't heard from Jeremiah,so nothing would surprise me,
it's over, it's over.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I think that you're right.
I think that a lot of themission of Catholic media should
be very much sharpened.
I've been thinking about this alot with myself.
We've, anthony and I, we'vetalked over the phone.
I've talked over the phone witha few other people as well,
trying to like think about how Iwant the future of my content
to go Like.
What is the sort of practicalend that I'm seeking?
(25:55):
Because a lot of the time itfeels like a lot of the Catholic
media is just content for thesake of content Like it's, it's
following the trends ofwhatever's being spoken about in
media.
You want a content.
Actually, there was Kyle said afunny thing to me.
He said that eventually, a lotfor a lot of people that the
(26:16):
their content creation becomes amonster that they have to feed
so they can feed their familylike that that's what it is for
them listen and they're justthrown in whatever, whatever
works basically, that's actuallya really good point, right?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
so a lot of these guys are still like this is
always something that I I raisedabout being like a professional
catholic, that that you getinto the problem of like I'm
dependent upon this now.
So I have to do the mostoutrageous thing to get clicks.
Rob and I are in a uniquesituation that we have day jobs,
right?
(26:50):
So I don't I'm working 16 hoursof construction a day.
Sometimes I don't actually havetime to sit and read and then
present you guys with like atheological topic, which I would
love to do, and I hope to do iton occasion, but for the most
part, I really my only option isto just discuss whatever's
happening and whatever's on mymind that day.
I don't have time to give youguys something you know of in
(27:13):
depth at all times.
I hope to do that throughinterviews, things like that,
but the danger in when you dothis for a living is that you
just need to get clicks.
All right, we get it.
Yeah, I know I say the samething all the time, but you guys
trying to just share with you alittle bit of the difficulty in
what we do is because I had mybrother.
(27:36):
My brother gave us a commentlast time we did a show and he's
like what don't rob and anthonyget back to doing?
Talking about the catholicfaith and stuff so, and he was
just breaking our chops.
But I had to actually say tohim like joe, I'm, you're on my
crew all day, like we worktogether.
When do you want me to likewhat?
Do you want me to do?
Studies of sumo while I'm atwork, like I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I used to do that when I worked at walmart did you
, yeah, did you really work atwalmart?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
is that, yeah, that's where it comes from.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, dude, where else was I supposed to work when
I uh joined the catholic churchand was completely without a,
without a job, with a newbornchild?
I could work construction likeanthony, but you know, I've want
to keep my soft hands.
I actually did my, my dad's aconstruction superintendent and
I actually did work with him in,uh, one winter, so I uh I know
(28:27):
how easy it is, it's not thathard.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
He's crying for nothing especially like the past
week.
I've been sick for the pastweek.
I've been barely sleeping.
I have all these ideas goingthrough my head and I watch
pretty much everybody's stuffwhen I'm driving and I try to
keep an eye on what everybody'sdoing.
I would like to see people cometogether.
(28:51):
I'm tired of the infighting,I'm tired of the warring
factions and stuff like that.
I would like to see them cometogether.
I know there's going to be somepeople who are just like I'll
know.
You know I can't.
I can't associate with thesepeople, but it'd be nice to see
everybody helping each other outand doing stuff together.
Can't we all just get along?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
sing kumbaya if anthony's uncle is watching.
Anthony meant to say he listenswhile he drives yes, yeah, I
don't watch I agree.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I think that we need the, the broad coalition,
because there's this weird thingthat happens on the internet.
I don't know exactly what it isor why it is.
I I jokingly tweeted out I, Rob, you actually tweeted something
similar to this is basicallylike I need to stop crashing out
(29:41):
on everybody who I agree withon 99% of things.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's like a real thing, literally no reason.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Somebody will make a snarky comment in response to
something I say.
So I just have to give anuclear-level crash out in the
replies and, like you know, posttheir, post, their docs and you
know, send, uh, send a divisionof wagnerites, you know, to
their house and you know I justhave to go like full-on, um, you
know, uh, scorched earth withthis person.
(30:09):
But really I think that a lotof the collaboration and having
a broader idea of, like whatwe're doing here, because a lot
of times and this was kind of mypoint mentioning the content
for're doing here, because a lotof times and this was kind of
my point, mentioning the contentfor the sake of content a lot
of people don't actually havelike a very missional idea of
what they're doing on theinternet.
They're kind of like, oh, it'snot that serious.
You know we're just doing livestreams or we're just doing
(30:29):
videos, but this idea of likejust doing x or just doing y, I
don't think that's reallyappropriate.
When it comes to catholic media,there really should be a
broader and wider vision.
Like the call of the catholicis to take over the world, is to
say that christ has died,christ has risen christ.
He's coming again.
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Christ is, uh, redeemed, all ofcreation, not merely our souls
and bodies, but all of creation,and therefore anything we're
doing is meant to further thiskingship.
And having a broad idea of 10,15, 20 years down the line, how
am I going to further thekingship of Christ within
whatever sphere that I'm given aspot in like, however small or
(31:12):
however large it is?
I think that's very important.
So, doing content for the sakeof content rather than for the
sake of furthering the kingshipof Christ, I think that's
something that a lot of us needto think about, and I think that
a lot of the sensationalizingthat had to or did happen under
Francis was very unfortunate,because I've been a public
(31:36):
opponent to a lot of the tradinc people like I, I will admit
it.
You know we've disagreed on alot of things, we've had public
falling outs, fights, whatever,but a lot of them are very
talented people, a lot of themare very bright people, very
smart people, people who, ifthey put their minds to more
productive contents, uh, theycould change a lot of hearts.
(31:57):
They could lead.
They could lead to a dominoeffect wider than they could
change a lot of hearts.
They could lead to a dominoeffect wider than they could
ever imagine.
And the fact that they're outthere doing news reports,
basically, and sensationalizingcontent on whatever Pope Francis
did yesterday, it's veryunfortunate.
It's a waste of talents.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
They are burying their talent by doing content
like that yeah, I think um, likethe, the, the, the place where
I might be able to offerassistance is I have a lot of
conversations with um people inin the world, like I'm much more
in the world than I think mostpeople are.
(32:36):
Um, and it even comes to likethis weekend I was away and
there's somebody that was awaywith us had just gotten in
trouble with the law.
And this person, because theygot in trouble, they, they were
talking to me and my friend,Bobby, was there.
Bobby came, Bobby watches theshow and he came.
(32:58):
They were actually said theywere reflecting on their sins
because they had gotten introuble with the law.
They got caught stealing andthey were like, when this
happened, I finally just had todo a little bit of thinking
(33:18):
about my life and and I startedthinking about all my sense.
So now this person is opened upto reflecting on their, their
life a little bit.
They're, they started going backto mass but they have
absolutely no catechesiswhatsoever and we just sat and
we started talking and justgoing through some stuff and
there's a lot of, even frompeople who are raised Catholic.
(33:39):
There's a lot of Protestantcultural stuff that drips in and
you know, you think becausethis person was raised in a
Catholic home and all this stuff, the amount of Protestant stuff
you have to deprogram out ofeven your, your cradle Catholics
, who should know better it's.
(34:00):
It's really important how yougo about those conversations,
because I very easily could havescared this person off, you
know, by by over and and going.
I'm being very careful becauseI'm on YouTube and my family
watches, but you know it's those.
Those conversations are what Itry to share with people so that
if they come across a situationlike that in their lives, they
(34:22):
might have some success in theareas where I've had success in
sharing the gospel without going.
Have you accepted Jesus as yourpersonal Lord and Savior?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Have you accepted Mary as your personal mother and
intercessor?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's absolutely how I went about it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And that shirt is available for purchase, guys.
Link down below.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, don't buy that.
Spend the money on the YouTubemembership so you don't have to
be a local Right, get out of thelocals.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I've never done it to a guest before.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Have you heard about the owner of Locals, the owner
of Rumble, that's all I'll say.
Oh yes, I will not be furthercommenting on that, because I
want to keep our YouTubechannels up.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Man, some interesting things have been happening on
YouTube with just even liveconcurrent viewers and the way
YouTube counts the stuff.
One thing I will ask you guysis, if you're watching this,
leave comments, not in the livechat, leave comments in the
video, because when they see alot of interaction, that's when
they like.
They said yeah, you know, theylike to see if our videos cause
conversations and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So, yeah, guys out there, if you, if you've seen
your favorite content creatorlike doing weirdly, like more
clickbaity stuff over the lasttwo ish months, like more
clickbaity stuff over the lasttwo-ish months.
The reason for that is becauseof the weird counting changing
and the notifications changingand the algorithms shift so
they've been getting lesserviewership than normal.
(35:47):
So a lot of people thought thatit was because their content
was more boring than normal sopeople stopped watching it.
So they had to like ramp upthat.
I've seen that with a lot ofpeople, but I just took the
month off.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, but what's interesting is our interactions
and all our other metrics arethe same, but our view counts
are down.
It's like a weird thing.
Our view counts are down, butall other metrics are the same.
It's like I don't know what'sgoing on with it.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That would be hilarious if it was literally
just a counting change andeverybody thought that their
audiences were getting nuked.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That does thought that their audiences were like
getting nuked, that that doesseem to be what it is.
People are saying, like they'vebeen looking at their like to
view ratio and like that youknow it used to be, say they
would get 50 of their number ofviews and likes.
Now it's like 80 or 90.
Their number of likes hasstayed the same but the views
has dropped, so it seems to beyoutube's just changing the way
how they count views.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Can I live stream your local stream after this he?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
did pay us five bucks right there.
That is true.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You can live stream my member stream.
I will give you the permission.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Alright, so before we do because we're going to keep
this one short we do have somelive chats Before we even get to
the live chats.
We will get to those before wedo, because we're going to keep
this one short we do have somelive chats Before we even get to
the live chats.
We will get to those before wewrap up here.
But my point to the trats Ithink it's time to like.
You guys have to come togetherand figure something out.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And being entertaining does help.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Sorry Very much, something out because I'm
watching does help very much,very much.
Um, the a lot, of, a lot ofwhat I'm seeing out there is
just this this I don't, I don'tlike what I'm seeing.
That's all I'm saying.
You know, I I'm seeing guyssniping at each other who, I
know, agree in substance and arejust it's, it's a difference in
approach, and they're they'rethey're fighting about an
(37:39):
approach, and I think thereshould be some kind of a
conversation to be had, cause Ithink that we we blow it on as
conservatives and trads.
We blow it every time by nothaving a long-term strategy for
things Like there needs to besome long-term strategy for
things like there needs to besome long-term planning, some
(38:00):
ways that we can maybe like turnthe turn the ship around down
the road.
We want everything now, now,now, now, and it's not going to
work.
So we do have to.
We have to figure some thingsout.
We might have to have someconversations with people, bring
them on and get people talking.
Hopefully we could pull thatoff.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, I think another I guess my closing thought
somebody actually a former Ateacher of mine reached out to
me recently and he was askingabout content creation stuff,
how he goes about it.
He's just starting out.
What are the tips and stufflike that?
(38:38):
And I think one of the thingsthat I wanted to emphasize the
most, because I've seen peoplenot do this and then completely
destroy their entire channel.
Basically, you want to focus onbuilding an actual audience,
and that's very important,because when you have like an
actual relationship betweencontent creator and an audience,
(39:01):
there's actually something thathappens with that, that
stabilizes.
So for a lot of the people outthere who kind of want, want to,
you know, monkey around and uh,mess around with trying to just
like get the view count up onas many videos as they can, you
know, and get a, get this viralvideo here and get that viral
(39:23):
video video here and there, andthat's going to like create a
sustainable sort of channel thatjust doesn't work.
So really you're you're shootingyourself in the foot by doing
the sensational stuff when, ifyou just kind of were a, you
know, a more, a more boring,stable, honest broker, you know,
just creating quality contentover time you're going to get an
(39:44):
audience and that audience isgoing to they're going to be
dedicated to what you have tosay.
They're going to.
They're going to like what youhave to say.
They're going to like what youhave to say.
They're going to follow whatyou have to say.
They're going to actually notjust watch for entertainment but
actually to get out somethingfrom what you say.
So I think that the sort oflike long-term strategy of the
stratosphere of a lot of verytalented and skilled people who
(40:06):
could really help with thefurthering of the gospel skilled
people who could really helpwith the the furthering of the
gospel I think that that wouldbe a much, uh, more healthy way
of looking about it rather thantrying to like seek those
short-term gains that end up ina long-term and that's exactly
what will happen out there, likeyou, if you okay.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
So, and a lot of this will come back to our
conversation on locals because,like, how often built his
channel was by like going afterTaylor Marshall and going, and
you will build an audience doingthat, like you will, but
there's not really like along-term sustainability in that
and we're starting to see thatI'm I don't mean to bring Lofton
(40:46):
up, I really don't.
I'm saying because we, we'vedone that too.
Everybody can do that.
If you go and pick, you know, agroup and start attacking that
group and picking people in thatgroup, you will make a name for
yourself but you're gonna,you're gonna destroy
relationships and you're notgoing to build beyond this tiny
little bubble that you createfor yourself and then, and then
(41:06):
you're going to constantly betrying to chase that.
You're going to see that theonly time you get those views is
when you're criticizingsomebody.
Like it isn't easy to do anentertaining show regularly,
it's very difficult.
And like our show is like I'mnot trying to be some trad icon
at all, really just two guyshaving a conversation about
(41:28):
catholicism, from whether it'sfrom within the news that day or
something deep spiritualexperience that one of us had at
some point, or raising ourchildren and what's helped in,
you know, catechizing our kidsin this secular world, things
like that.
But I'm telling you, it's easyto go for the, for the
low-hanging fruit, and takeshots at somebody by name and
(41:48):
you will build a channel.
You could do a video saying hasAnthony left Trad Inc?
Has Anthony left Trad?
I thought, like Nick Cavazosdid today, you'll get a couple
clicks, nick, but I don't knowif it's a good long-term
strategy.
I love Nick Cavazos.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
You got cuffed in that video by the way, I was
totally cheering you when I waslistening to it.
I'm sorry, but if you guyswatch it, I'm so sorry to point
this out, nick, but it's likeone of his lips was super
chapped.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh, leave me alone, stop it.
It was driving me nuts.
I was like watching it.
His lip was super chapped and hekept licking it and I was
saying I think some peoplemisunderstood my tweet.
They thought I was saying likethe trad movement is going to
die.
And I don't think the tradmovement is going to die, I just
(42:39):
think it's going to go backdown to a size more like it was
under Benedict and it's going tobe more faithful people.
And that might be a good thing,because I think it was
overinflated and there werethese entire media conglomerates
that were built and blew up,especially during COVID.
Like COVID happened andeverybody's channels blew up
because everybody was sittinghome and then they thought they
(42:59):
were going to sustain that.
And to keep people's attentionis so difficult these days.
There's so much competition outthere.
There's 80 billion podcasts forpeople to listen to.
Competition out there, there's80 billion podcasts for people
to listen to.
It's just you have to.
You do have to build anaudience that actually likes you
and not just clicks because ofwhat topic you're covering or
who you're interviewing, andthat's a really tricky thing to
(43:20):
do.
We're just teasing you, nick.
We love you, bud.
Sorry my lips.
Sorry my lips.
Bother you, christian.
I will try.
Yeah, why you gotta be meanchristian?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
that's not nice, it's just the the altism struck at
the wrong moment time.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Too much tylenol nick , we love you, you'll be.
You'll be on the next one we doa christian, but we're uh, all
right, let's read the superchats before we, before we head
out okay, um, why do you so?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
why do you think trads embrace Kirk?
I would assume Charlie or Eric.
Armature and the Trent Horntypes don't.
Is it a feminism thing?
I think they'd be all for theecumenism.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
What in the world is that?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I don't know what he means by that.
Why, like Trent Horn and thoseguys, didn't embrace Charlie.
I don't know.
Is it Charlie, or why, likeTrent Horn and those guys,
didn't embrace Charlie?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I don't know if that's a Charlie or Erica.
The feminism comment makes methink Erica.
The trend, maybe Charlie too,cause right, cause Charlie was
anti-feminist.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Maybe we could discuss on locals also what you
guys thought of the Charlie KirkMemorial, because I have kind
of mixed feelings about it and Idon't want to.
I don't want to just jump onand I've very strong feelings,
very strong.
All right, well, we'll hearthose over there.
All right, well, I didn't watchit, so I saw clips.
(44:41):
That's the thing.
I didn't watch it.
I saw clips and, um, yeah, so,like fed, fed's a protestant and
he watches our show regularly.
He says we're fun.
It doesn't always have to be.
I know I'm very adversarial toProtestants on Twitter, but a
lot of it's just sarcasm, crazyhumanism going on right now.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
I can't handle it.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Let's see here.
So this is not so much forAnthony, because he doesn't
really know, but Taffy wants toknow if we think we'll a 30 odd
six, have an exit, a body at 150yards.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Look all I'm going to say, rob.
All I'm going to say I don'tknow whether we'll disagree on
this I have not a hell of a lotof deer.
I've skinned and gutted a hellof a lot of deer who've been
shot with a .30-06.
If I shot somebody in the neckwith that, there's gonna be an
exit hole, I can guarantee youit's, yeah, it's unlikely to not
(45:42):
have an exit wound, but bulletsdo do crazy things.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
But it's, I don't know man, the only thing I could
think um some ranges, indoorranges, especially made for
rifles, make you use frangibleammo right because they don't
want the rifle roundspenetrating into like a backstop
.
You wanted to break up, somaybe the maybe the idiot was,
you know went to his range andjust used whatever range and
(46:08):
when they made him buy and itwas frangible and it just
shattered, maybe on a spine orsomething, I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
It is unlikely oh, you got guns and rosaries for
this stop, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
He paid us 20, you care for 20 yeah, some guy, uh,
mores ultra, shout out the moresultra.
He gave me 50 memberships.
So I I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So everybody can watch the after show on.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Lofton.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I want to see somebody give 50 locals
memberships.
Guys, let's go.
Can you gift locals?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
memberships I don't know you can give coins or
something, yeah, coins Oy vey.
So JD says Oy vey, give me 50locals coins.
Yes, I know.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
We're still on YouTube.
So, yeah, give, or you beg,give me 50 locals coins.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yes, I know it is.
We're still on youtube, um so,um yeah.
Bishop paprocki said honoring apublic figure who has actively
worked to expand and entrenchthe right to end an innocent
human life in the wombundermines the very concept of
human dignity and solidaritythat the award purports to
uphold, which he's talking about.
Supich giving an award to aDemocrat politician.
(47:12):
And then Archbishop Cordelionesaid I stand in solidarity with
solidarity with Bishop Paprockiin Springfield, illinois, in
urging Cardinal Supich toreconsider giving Senator Durbin
a lifetime achievement awardthrough the Archdiocese of
Chicago's Office of HumanDignity and Solidarity, given
his long record of supportinglegal abortion.
Bishop Paprocki, who is SenatorDurbin's bishop, has expressed
(47:36):
shock that the Archdiocese plansto honor Senator Durbin who,
although a self-professedCatholic, supports access to
abortion so radically that hehas even opposed legislation to
protect babies born after anattempted abortion.
Bishop Paprocki is correct thatboth clarity and unity are at
risk.
I hope this will be a clarioncall to all members of the body
of Christ to speak out to makeclear the grave evil that is
(48:00):
taking of innocent human life.
I'm sorry, but this statementdoes not happen under Francis.
This does not.
People were terrified theywould get strickland.
I'm telling you, there'ssomething happening where our
bishops are like okay, new pope,I'm going to start speaking out
and they're going bishopagainst bishop, publicly.
(48:21):
So it's a unique moment um sohouse.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
music for 50 has a so house music is my little
Patrick.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Little Patrick came to Italy with me.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Little Patrick who was supposed to come to
Pennsylvania and we called him,like you, coming to PA.
He's like no, I'm in Japan.
I don't know how the heck he'sin Japan.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Well, he asked a question of me and he sent a
super chat on your channel.
I told him he that I mightsuper chat tonight, okay he said
I might super chat tonight.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I go, you better super chat on my channel and not
wagner's channel, because I'llkill you next time I see you
that's fair enough.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Wow, someone's like okay, does prayer aid the
development of moral virtues?
I know that it depends onaction, but if I'm praying for
courage or magnanimity,magnanimity magnanimity even,
even if it depends on my action.
I can't imagine the Godwouldn't help us in that
situation.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to the natural moral
virtues, there are the virtueswhich are somehow essentially
supernatural.
So faith, hope, charity, thegifts of the Holy Ghost are also
habits, et cetera, et cetera.
Charity, the gifts of the HolyGhost are also habits, et cetera
, et cetera.
And there are those which arenaturally.
(49:34):
They are essentially natural,but they are modally
supernatural.
So by modally supernaturalbasically means that it is
something that comes to us in asupernatural way.
So all of the moral virtues andnatural intellective virtues,
they come to us by sanctifyinggrace.
(49:54):
And when it comes to theexercise of these virtues, we
can think about the increase oftheir adhesion in us.
We can think about thedifferent obstacles in our
faculties, like we might have,you know, in our faculties, like
we might have a superfluousamount of concupiscence or
(50:14):
irascible behavior, or we mayhave various different vices
that order us in different ways.
When we're asking God toincrease in us these different
virtues, he's aiding us inremoving all of those contrary
habits, aiding us instrengthening the adhesion of
those virtues within us, to aidus and give us those good
(50:34):
inspirations so we can considerthe goodness of the exercising
of those virtues, to actuallyelect to carry them out.
So there's many different ways,like if you want to
scientifically break it out,break it down in moral theology
and look at the variousdifferent aspects of the
exercise of a virtue, like wecan talk about all those things,
but the short answer is justyes, like God can aid you in the
(50:57):
exercise of even naturalvirtues.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
I'm glad to see our audience finally super chatting
a bit, because Christian'saudience super chats like crazy
on his show.
I've caught your live streams.
Your audience is very generous.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I'm like, you guys are awesome.
Well, somebody on my side saidsorry, but trad larpers who
don't chant the hours in latinevery day but screech about
vatican 2 are the actual enemy.
Just my opinion.
So real, you guys are so cuckedright now I learned.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
I learned that I don't know the angelus in latin.
Last week we were away with abunch of guys and they know the
Angelus in Latin.
Last week we were away with abunch of guys and they said the
Angelus in Latin.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
I was like I only know the Hail Mary.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, I only know the Hail Mary and the Glory of God.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Trad.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
LARPer, trad LARPer.
I am a Trad LARPer.
That's it.
We got a couple more.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Andy paid us $30.
I don't know what he means, butwhat?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
about.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Cavazos, though, Sorry.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Andy, if you're asking, we love Nick.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Someone said that they're broke, but they really
wanted us to answer this.
So sorry, anthony, but do youthink there's a connection with
an Augustinian pope and apresident that talks a lot about
peace?
Because St Augustine talks alot about peace as a supreme
good of life.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Oh yeah, he asked me that question on mine too, but I
accidentally skipped over it.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I think there's more of a connection between the fact
that we have the first AmericanPope and we have an American
president who acts like anemperor, and I'm more, I'm more
interested in that connection,you know, because I see, I see
america as like the new romanempire and we have the first
american pope.
I think that's a connection.
(52:42):
But what do you think aboutsaint augustine?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I think there's an interesting connection with leo
the 13th, because when you readimmortality day, what you see is
that basically the, thepolitical program of the
catholic church is based onsaint augustine and specifically
um, on the city of god, inresponse to the claims against
christianity and the good of thestate.
Like this is leo the 13th, likehe completely, uh, explains
(53:08):
political Catholic politicalphilosophy in light of this.
So I think that when it comesto Leo XIII, he also had a very
sharp understanding of theAmerican situation, the
different virtues that theAmerican people have, the hope
that we have for the Americanpeople in the future, if, when
she accepts the Catholic faith,and he, I think it was very
(53:29):
clear that Leo XIII thought thatAmerica would eventually accept
the Catholic religion in itsfullness, not only in a
truncated way, like a lot ofAmericans viewed the effects of
Catholicism on in the civilsphere.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Somebody's asking if I know the Our Father.
Father, yes, I know the wholerosary.
I know all the responses atmass, because I'm not that bad.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Uh, jd, I would say so, my wife was so jd asked what
is your advice to get yourspouse into tlm?
Speaker 2 (54:00):
thank you, rob.
I'm terrible about actuallyreading the questions and I know
people get driven nuts by that.
Um, I can only share myexperience.
My wife was very resistantearly on and it was because I
kept pressing it.
Um, but eventually I just askedher to go and I and I didn't
argue with her about veiling, Ijust brought her and she fell in
love with the music and theaesthetics of it at first.
(54:23):
And after bringing her severaltimes, without like arguing
about why it's this and that, Ijust kind of left it to god.
And now my wife, she just shejust likes the novus order more
than I do.
Um advice for a diocesanseminarians who are traditional
(54:47):
don't be an idiot.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Do not be an idiot.
If you try to be a hero, youwill get screwed over.
Okay, your bishop will bury you.
If you try to be a hero and youact like an idiot, okay, be
smart.
Do not spurg out.
Okay, I'm telling, I've seen itbefore all these off to tylenol
seminaries they spurg out.
You know, I think they're goingto be a hero and change their
(55:11):
bishop's mind and they gethammered into the dust.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yeah, then they have to go to an old Roman Catholic
bishop to get ordained and it'sjust not pretty.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm not sure if I'm going to promote Mass of the
Ages until I get a call fromCameron.
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Cameron's still you know, still still stealing her
idea A call asking you to comeon or a call apologizing for
stealing the film series.
You're the one that broughtthat up.
I dropped a little hint atsomething.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
here you just.
What am I going to do aboutthis guy?
Speaker 3 (55:48):
You're yapping about him on the phone for like an
hour all right.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
So what we are going to do now, we are going to go
over to locals and christians ummembers only and we're going to
discuss what happened behindthe scenes.
Michael often reached out umand we'll we'll get into that,
and then I think we're going todiscuss the Charlie Kirk
Memorial.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
I'm thanking all my people for the super chats Come
over to Locals.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
Guys Like, where else are you getting a show?
Come on, like I'm so tired ofyou guys watching the
YouTube-only portion.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
Okay, well, I'm switching over to my member
stream, or, if you're a patron,I posted a link there as well,
so I'm switching my stream over.
All right, rob.
Thank you everybody, god bless.
Remember to like subscribe,yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
If you're subscribed to uh, avoiding Babylon and not
scholastic answers, go throw hima sub.
If you're subscribed toscholastic answers and not
avoiding Babylon, throw us a sub.
Uh, it's five bucks a month.
You could get like a singleepisode for four bucks and then
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you can get the year for 50.
People are asking how much.
It is, um, very much worth thethe money.
We we do a locals episodepretty much every show we do,
and that's where we can get alittle little more spicy and we
don't have to worry about, youknow, the general public
watching what we say.
So, all right, we're headingover take it out family.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, okay, I'm just so, because the video you want
to play on locals, i'm'm goingto just remove all the public.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, remove YouTube and then we'll have an intro
video.
We have an intro video comingthat only locals gets, so if
you're still watching on X getover there quick.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
I already stopped mine and started my member
stream, so I started before you,which means that everyone's
going to flood.
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