December 7, 2025 • 18 mins
What if the person you needed years ago is the person you are now? I take you through a candid self-interview on growth, spirituality, and the quiet work of becoming.
I share how small, ordinary moments—like a hot cup of tea during loss—can become anchor points, and how noticing them keeps us from bypassing real feelings. We dig into the difference between performing spirituality and practicing it: not lofty labels, but how we treat others, ourselves, and the world when no one is watching.
What no longer fits? What tiny habit helps?
We close with a guided meditation that invites you to take an eagle’s view of your life, seeing the balance of joy and pain from above so you can return to earth more centered. If you’re craving practical spirituality, emotional clarity, and a kinder inner voice, this one’s for you.
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SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
This week's podcast is a self-interview on becoming
the woman I once needed onspirituality in the years that I
have reached.
And I felt it was reallyimportant to share this episode
with you, dear listeners,because we're always working on
ourselves, right?
That's why you've tuned intothis podcast, is one of the
(01:39):
reasons I'm guessing.
And we're always a work inprogress, and yet we're perfect
and beautiful as we are.
That is something to reallyremember.
Sometimes we can get a bitfrustrated because there's those
kind of little things that kindof habits or things that just
never work out in a certain way,and all these different things
(02:00):
that I feel like they'reblocking us from being our full,
amazing potential.
But I'm here to let you knowthat you're beautiful and
wonderful as you are, but again,we can still work on things as
well at the same time.
And I feel that we are so hardon ourselves.
But if we were only to look backfrom where we are now, nine
(02:24):
times out of ten, we will seethat we have become the woman
that we once needed.
I am the woman that I onceneeded in my teens, 20s, 30s,
40s.
I am that woman now, and I cansee the stuff that I was working
on at the time that feltimpossible, and the stuff that
(02:47):
there's still some blocks, don'tget me wrong, but there's it's
it gives me kind of a sense ofhope when I look back and
actually think, you know what?
Yes, I did learn that.
And the first truth I toldmyself at this age that I
couldn't face at 30 was that noteveryone is going to like us,
(03:09):
not everybody is going to seethe world through our lens, and
then and really why why shouldthey?
And one of the greatest truthsthat I told myself now, which I
didn't always realize when I wasyounger, was to see the big
picture on things, and to seethat you know, we always view
(03:30):
life through our limitedperception, and that's not to
that's not to say there'sanything wrong with us, but we
we can't help it because of thestuff that's happened to us in
our lives, that's how we viewlife, and that's how we see the
lens of our life.
But if we have a big bird's eyeview of things, then we can see
life through a more kind ofabundant, beautiful way, and in
(03:55):
all levels.
So I'm not into that toxicpositivity where we just think
everything's great and we justcompetent everything's great.
No, that doesn't work becausethat just pushes stuff down.
Instead, when there's difficultsituations, try and see the
silver lining and the blessings.
I know, like when I lost arelative, the blessing was when
I had like a nice hot cup oftea.
(04:17):
Um, it did obviously that's notgoing to cure the grief that I
was feeling, but it it helped mefeel nurtured and and and kind
of a sense of joy.
So it's those kind of littlethings that can make a big
difference.
And what part, here's my nextquestion to myself, what part of
my life do I no longer fit eventhough I pretended it did?
(04:40):
So what part of my life backthen do I no longer fit even
though at the time I pretendedit?
I definitely don't fit in.
I was so kind of a little bit inlove with myself back then, and
it was so superficial that Ikind of thought that that was
not that that was all that Iworked on, don't get me wrong,
but it was more like, yeah, it'sjust like okay, so what, you
(05:03):
know?
And that part of me know like nolonger fits where yeah, I
definitely still take care ofmyself.
And my next another question tomyself is what what is the tiny
ordinary moment that shifted myentire spiritual path?
Wow, that is quite a questionbecause there's been there's
been so many twists and turns inin my spiritual path over the
(05:26):
years, and it has been quite avast and beautiful but also
difficult thing.
I guess one of the things wasrealizing that because just
because we say we're spiritualdoesn't mean that we necessarily
are.
And one of the points was when Irealized the toxic spirituality
where it kind of people weregetting into a competition about
(05:47):
how spiritual they were.
And then I thought that kind ofmissed the point.
It's just I guess it's it comesfrom a sense of validation.
So I realized actually beingspiritual is not preaching what
that one's spiritual, it's howyou treat other people and how
you treat yourself and how youtreat the world, and that's
still a work in progress.
(06:08):
I'm far from perfect, but that'sone of the tiny moments that
shift my entire path.
But on a on a beautiful thing,one of one of those small but
mighty moments was meditationand sitting down to it and doing
it.
And today, I must be honest, Idid struggle with a meditation.
I'm in the city at the moment,and the air feels very fizzy,
(06:31):
and a lot of people in a lot ofa lot of people in this small
area, and London's just not whatit used to be, in my opinion.
That couldn't sound like reallynegative, but that's how I feel
sometimes, and it it just feltso fizzy.
So I could have gone on thattrajectory of thinking, oh no, I
can't do it, but I just sat downand did what I could, and that
(06:52):
made me feel better.
What did I uh let go of thatsecretly set me free?
Hmm.
The latest thing is sweet thingsbecause I eat really healthily,
but I found that I was havinglike dark chocolate every day,
(07:12):
and I know it's good for you inmoderation, but for me, it
wasn't a good thing to dobecause it was kind of making it
hard for me to meditate and alsosee the big picture.
Maybe I had a sensitivity to it,so I've kind of cut that out.
So that's I feel like that's setme free, and then also what set
me free was when I read thebook, The Courage to Be
(07:35):
Disliked, and that that's agreat book.
Uh the author's name eludes meat the moment, but if you just
look up The Courage to bedisliked, you'll find that the
book.
And grateful to that authorbecause it made me realise
actually we don't necessarilywe're brought up to believe that
we should be liked and that weneed to be liked, and all this
(07:57):
thing, and it it was a reallypinnacle turning point because
it's there's a differencebetween being nice and kind, and
there's a difference betweenbeing over-accommodating to the
(08:53):
sense that it is to our owndemise where we're not speaking
our truth, and it's a fine line.
Sometimes I feel I see peoplethat speak the truth too much to
the point where they it's justhow they just say the first
thing that comes into the head,and I think that's equally as
harmful as when we don't say ourtruth, and sometimes it's so
(09:17):
hard to say yes or no, but youknow what?
The more we get used to sayingit, the easier it becomes.
So that is one of my my top tipsthen.
Where is my spirituality stillmessy?
Oh, don't get me started.
I'd say all of it, the more Ilearn that the the least I know
that makes sense.
(09:38):
I think it's sometimes stillmessy where I feel a little bit
hurt by the world because itsometimes feels like there's so
much self-interest in the worldthat it's hard to see the
kindness in people where andjust everyone just seems so kind
of miserable, and then I tr Ifind myself judging, and that's
(09:59):
where it's still messy becauseyou know what?
That's their path.
If they want to be miserable,that's fine, and I'm far from
perfect.
So that is an honest thing whereI'm still messy, but how do I
navigate through that?
I take a deep breath, I see thebig picture, and I just think
actually I'm just lucky andgrateful to be here today.
And what am I learning toforgive myself for?
(10:22):
I'm learning to forgive myselffor when I feel like I judge
other people too, and um I don'talways understand them, nor they
always understand me.
So I'm I'm learning to forgivemyself for that.
And again, the navigation is abig picture.
What's the question I'm stillafraid to ask?
(10:46):
Um is there it is evil and isthere people that are trying to
keep us under control in thisworld?
Oh, that's a strong question,and like, is people planting
that so that we distrust eachother, or is there a great plan?
(11:08):
So that is one question that I'mafraid to ask, but then not at
the same time if that makessense.
So if I'm going to meet myfuture self 10 years from now,
what would she say and whatwould she be proud of, etc.?
I think she would tell me thatI'm on a good making a good I'm
making a good um steps comparedto like other decades, that I'm
(11:31):
becoming more in a place ofself-acceptance.
She would tell me to stopworrying about the way the world
is going because there's somethings that I don't have control
over.
I think she would tell me tostop worrying, and I think she
would be very proud of what I'mtrying to achieve in this world.
I think she would tell me tokind of relax a bit more and
(11:54):
also to trust people a bit more.
So, dear podcast listeners,maybe you could ask yourselves
these questions.
I know this sounds strange, buta self-interview yourself and
then get the answers.
And it's really insightfulbecause I just did this about a
script of my answers.
I just thought, oh, actually,I'm just gonna go with the
floor.
(12:15):
But sometimes it's good tointerview oneself.
The wisdom that we hear withinourselves, and it's really
interesting because if youinterview yourself, like the
questions that you it's almostas if someone has asked you that
question, it's quite intriguing.
So, dear listeners, I want tosay thank you for listening
today's show.
Here's one of my favoritemeditations to see you out.
(12:37):
It's called the bird's eye view.
So I hope you enjoy.
Here is your meditation.
Top tips for the meditation iseither sit nice and cross-legged
on the floor with a nicestraight back.
Always nice to sit on a block ora cushion, or if that's not
available for you.
You sit in a chair with the backnice and straight.
The important thing is you'renot slouching, and if you're
(12:59):
doing something that requiresconcentration, all you need to
do is just pause this and youcan reconvene the meditation at
a time that is good for you.
If you're doing the meditation,that's beginning.
So as you close your eyes andyou breathe softly in and out
(13:21):
through the nostrils, imagineyourself at the top of the
tallest tree that you know.
So tall it is up there that yourfeet are below the clouds, and
the top of your head gentlytouches the top of the clouds.
(13:44):
But as you lean and look forwarda bit, you can see a vast and
fantastic horizon.
You can feel the wind as itblows against you.
You can smell the air, which isso fresh, so crisp, and so
(14:05):
magical.
And as you look down at thearms, you no longer have arms,
but you have the wings of aneagle.
Those feathers, those individualfeathers have that special kind
of perforation on them, whichallows you to kind of fly in a
kind of more special way to sayother birds.
(14:32):
As you spread your wings and youtake flight, you realize that
via your vision you can see avast, a bird's eye, eagle view
of what is the law.
(14:57):
There is many, many things.
Or hear, you know.
(15:17):
An argument between birds.
The joy of a baby lamb runningnext to its mother.
The slow, steady approach of agiant mountain cat as it sneaks
(15:43):
up to its prey.
Far away yes, a linear vision,the innocence of a baby crying
in its mother's arms.
And the smoke from theirwoodland house slowly cascading
(16:07):
into the air.
There is a mixture of joy, pain,happiness.
But there is a natural balanceto this within the universe.
And as you fly and you circleand you take all these sounds,
(16:27):
all these things in, you're ableto realise that from this
relaxed state of seeingeverything from a bird's eye
view, that everything is asperfect as it possibly can be.
(16:56):
And there are times when you seethe whole world through a bird's
eye view, which allows you tosee that beyond that pain and
suffering, there is beauty, joy,life and wisdom.
And you can take silencewhenever you need as you fly
(17:19):
with these magnificent eaglewings, as you kind of just ride
the air, the waves of what iscoming, what is there, with that
deeper, vast sense of presence.
And you can take this wisdominto your everyday world with
(17:42):
that deeper joy and sense ofbeing.
As you slowly now take some calmdeep breaths, as you come back
into the moment, come back intothe room, and you land into the
present moment, knowing thatwhen anything gets too much, you
can take off of that bird's eyeview whenever you need in the
(18:07):
eye of your imagination.
This week's podcast is a self-interview on becoming
the woman I once needed onspirituality in the years that I
have reached.
And I felt it was reallyimportant to share this episode
with you, dear listeners,because we're always working on
ourselves, right?
That's why you've tuned intothis podcast, is one of the
(01:39):
reasons I'm guessing.
And we're always a work inprogress, and yet we're perfect
and beautiful as we are.
That is something to reallyremember.
Sometimes we can get a bitfrustrated because there's those
kind of little things that kindof habits or things that just
never work out in a certain way,and all these different things
(02:00):
that I feel like they'reblocking us from being our full,
amazing potential.
But I'm here to let you knowthat you're beautiful and
wonderful as you are, but again,we can still work on things as
well at the same time.
And I feel that we are so hardon ourselves.
But if we were only to look backfrom where we are now, nine
(02:24):
times out of ten, we will seethat we have become the woman
that we once needed.
I am the woman that I onceneeded in my teens, 20s, 30s,
40s.
I am that woman now, and I cansee the stuff that I was working
on at the time that feltimpossible, and the stuff that
(02:47):
there's still some blocks, don'tget me wrong, but there's it's
it gives me kind of a sense ofhope when I look back and
actually think, you know what?
Yes, I did learn that.
And the first truth I toldmyself at this age that I
couldn't face at 30 was that noteveryone is going to like us,
(03:09):
not everybody is going to seethe world through our lens, and
then and really why why shouldthey?
And one of the greatest truthsthat I told myself now, which I
didn't always realize when I wasyounger, was to see the big
picture on things, and to seethat you know, we always view
(03:30):
life through our limitedperception, and that's not to
that's not to say there'sanything wrong with us, but we
we can't help it because of thestuff that's happened to us in
our lives, that's how we viewlife, and that's how we see the
lens of our life.
But if we have a big bird's eyeview of things, then we can see
life through a more kind ofabundant, beautiful way, and in
(03:55):
all levels.
So I'm not into that toxicpositivity where we just think
everything's great and we justcompetent everything's great.
No, that doesn't work becausethat just pushes stuff down.
Instead, when there's difficultsituations, try and see the
silver lining and the blessings.
I know, like when I lost arelative, the blessing was when
I had like a nice hot cup oftea.
(04:17):
Um, it did obviously that's notgoing to cure the grief that I
was feeling, but it it helped mefeel nurtured and and and kind
of a sense of joy.
So it's those kind of littlethings that can make a big
difference.
And what part, here's my nextquestion to myself, what part of
my life do I no longer fit eventhough I pretended it did?
(04:40):
So what part of my life backthen do I no longer fit even
though at the time I pretendedit?
I definitely don't fit in.
I was so kind of a little bit inlove with myself back then, and
it was so superficial that Ikind of thought that that was
not that that was all that Iworked on, don't get me wrong,
but it was more like, yeah, it'sjust like okay, so what, you
(05:03):
know?
And that part of me know like nolonger fits where yeah, I
definitely still take care ofmyself.
And my next another question tomyself is what what is the tiny
ordinary moment that shifted myentire spiritual path?
Wow, that is quite a questionbecause there's been there's
been so many twists and turns inin my spiritual path over the
(05:26):
years, and it has been quite avast and beautiful but also
difficult thing.
I guess one of the things wasrealizing that because just
because we say we're spiritualdoesn't mean that we necessarily
are.
And one of the points was when Irealized the toxic spirituality
where it kind of people weregetting into a competition about
(05:47):
how spiritual they were.
And then I thought that kind ofmissed the point.
It's just I guess it's it comesfrom a sense of validation.
So I realized actually beingspiritual is not preaching what
that one's spiritual, it's howyou treat other people and how
you treat yourself and how youtreat the world, and that's
still a work in progress.
(06:08):
I'm far from perfect, but that'sone of the tiny moments that
shift my entire path.
But on a on a beautiful thing,one of one of those small but
mighty moments was meditationand sitting down to it and doing
it.
And today, I must be honest, Idid struggle with a meditation.
I'm in the city at the moment,and the air feels very fizzy,
(06:31):
and a lot of people in a lot ofa lot of people in this small
area, and London's just not whatit used to be, in my opinion.
That couldn't sound like reallynegative, but that's how I feel
sometimes, and it it just feltso fizzy.
So I could have gone on thattrajectory of thinking, oh no, I
can't do it, but I just sat downand did what I could, and that
(06:52):
made me feel better.
What did I uh let go of thatsecretly set me free?
Hmm.
The latest thing is sweet thingsbecause I eat really healthily,
but I found that I was havinglike dark chocolate every day,
(07:12):
and I know it's good for you inmoderation, but for me, it
wasn't a good thing to dobecause it was kind of making it
hard for me to meditate and alsosee the big picture.
Maybe I had a sensitivity to it,so I've kind of cut that out.
So that's I feel like that's setme free, and then also what set
me free was when I read thebook, The Courage to Be
(07:35):
Disliked, and that that's agreat book.
Uh the author's name eludes meat the moment, but if you just
look up The Courage to bedisliked, you'll find that the
book.
And grateful to that authorbecause it made me realise
actually we don't necessarilywe're brought up to believe that
we should be liked and that weneed to be liked, and all this
(07:57):
thing, and it it was a reallypinnacle turning point because
it's there's a differencebetween being nice and kind, and
there's a difference betweenbeing over-accommodating to the
(08:53):
sense that it is to our owndemise where we're not speaking
our truth, and it's a fine line.
Sometimes I feel I see peoplethat speak the truth too much to
the point where they it's justhow they just say the first
thing that comes into the head,and I think that's equally as
harmful as when we don't say ourtruth, and sometimes it's so
(09:17):
hard to say yes or no, but youknow what?
The more we get used to sayingit, the easier it becomes.
So that is one of my my top tipsthen.
Where is my spirituality stillmessy?
Oh, don't get me started.
I'd say all of it, the more Ilearn that the the least I know
that makes sense.
(09:38):
I think it's sometimes stillmessy where I feel a little bit
hurt by the world because itsometimes feels like there's so
much self-interest in the worldthat it's hard to see the
kindness in people where andjust everyone just seems so kind
of miserable, and then I tr Ifind myself judging, and that's
(09:59):
where it's still messy becauseyou know what?
That's their path.
If they want to be miserable,that's fine, and I'm far from
perfect.
So that is an honest thing whereI'm still messy, but how do I
navigate through that?
I take a deep breath, I see thebig picture, and I just think
actually I'm just lucky andgrateful to be here today.
And what am I learning toforgive myself for?
(10:22):
I'm learning to forgive myselffor when I feel like I judge
other people too, and um I don'talways understand them, nor they
always understand me.
So I'm I'm learning to forgivemyself for that.
And again, the navigation is abig picture.
What's the question I'm stillafraid to ask?
(10:46):
Um is there it is evil and isthere people that are trying to
keep us under control in thisworld?
Oh, that's a strong question,and like, is people planting
that so that we distrust eachother, or is there a great plan?
(11:08):
So that is one question that I'mafraid to ask, but then not at
the same time if that makessense.
So if I'm going to meet myfuture self 10 years from now,
what would she say and whatwould she be proud of, etc.?
I think she would tell me thatI'm on a good making a good I'm
making a good um steps comparedto like other decades, that I'm
(11:31):
becoming more in a place ofself-acceptance.
She would tell me to stopworrying about the way the world
is going because there's somethings that I don't have control
over.
I think she would tell me tostop worrying, and I think she
would be very proud of what I'mtrying to achieve in this world.
I think she would tell me tokind of relax a bit more and
(11:54):
also to trust people a bit more.
So, dear podcast listeners,maybe you could ask yourselves
these questions.
I know this sounds strange, buta self-interview yourself and
then get the answers.
And it's really insightfulbecause I just did this about a
script of my answers.
I just thought, oh, actually,I'm just gonna go with the
floor.
(12:15):
But sometimes it's good tointerview oneself.
The wisdom that we hear withinourselves, and it's really
interesting because if youinterview yourself, like the
questions that you it's almostas if someone has asked you that
question, it's quite intriguing.
So, dear listeners, I want tosay thank you for listening
today's show.
Here's one of my favoritemeditations to see you out.
(12:37):
It's called the bird's eye view.
So I hope you enjoy.
Here is your meditation.
Top tips for the meditation iseither sit nice and cross-legged
on the floor with a nicestraight back.
Always nice to sit on a block ora cushion, or if that's not
available for you.
You sit in a chair with the backnice and straight.
The important thing is you'renot slouching, and if you're
(12:59):
doing something that requiresconcentration, all you need to
do is just pause this and youcan reconvene the meditation at
a time that is good for you.
If you're doing the meditation,that's beginning.
So as you close your eyes andyou breathe softly in and out
(13:21):
through the nostrils, imagineyourself at the top of the
tallest tree that you know.
So tall it is up there that yourfeet are below the clouds, and
the top of your head gentlytouches the top of the clouds.
(13:44):
But as you lean and look forwarda bit, you can see a vast and
fantastic horizon.
You can feel the wind as itblows against you.
You can smell the air, which isso fresh, so crisp, and so
(14:05):
magical.
And as you look down at thearms, you no longer have arms,
but you have the wings of aneagle.
Those feathers, those individualfeathers have that special kind
of perforation on them, whichallows you to kind of fly in a
kind of more special way to sayother birds.
(14:32):
As you spread your wings and youtake flight, you realize that
via your vision you can see avast, a bird's eye, eagle view
of what is the law.
(14:57):
There is many, many things.
Or hear, you know.
(15:17):
An argument between birds.
The joy of a baby lamb runningnext to its mother.
The slow, steady approach of agiant mountain cat as it sneaks
(15:43):
up to its prey.
Far away yes, a linear vision,the innocence of a baby crying
in its mother's arms.
And the smoke from theirwoodland house slowly cascading
(16:07):
into the air.
There is a mixture of joy, pain,happiness.
But there is a natural balanceto this within the universe.
And as you fly and you circleand you take all these sounds,
(16:27):
all these things in, you're ableto realise that from this
relaxed state of seeingeverything from a bird's eye
view, that everything is asperfect as it possibly can be.
(16:56):
And there are times when you seethe whole world through a bird's
eye view, which allows you tosee that beyond that pain and
suffering, there is beauty, joy,life and wisdom.
And you can take silencewhenever you need as you fly
(17:19):
with these magnificent eaglewings, as you kind of just ride
the air, the waves of what iscoming, what is there, with that
deeper, vast sense of presence.
And you can take this wisdominto your everyday world with
(17:42):
that deeper joy and sense ofbeing.
As you slowly now take some calmdeep breaths, as you come back
into the moment, come back intothe room, and you land into the
present moment, knowing thatwhen anything gets too much, you
can take off of that bird's eyeview whenever you need in the
(18:07):
eye of your imagination.
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