June 14, 2025 • 47 mins
Journey into the forgotten world of silicon, an essential macronutrient that might be the missing key to optimal health and vitality. Clinical herbalist Bonnie D'Arcangelo guides us through a fascinating exploration of this overlooked element and its profound impact on our bodies.
Bonnie shares her remarkable personal journey from the fashion industry to living in a log cabin without running water, where she forged her deep connection with nature and healing practices. This spiritual awakening led her to discover the power of silicon—a fundamental building block for our bones, cartilage, elastin, and tissues throughout the body.
What makes this conversation truly mind-expanding is Bonnie's explanation of water's fourth state: plasma. Through her pioneering work, Bonnie has developed silicon plasma hydrates that mimic our body's natural state, allowing for deeper penetration and more effective delivery of herbal medicines.
Her philosophy of collaborative medicine—bridging conventional treatments with herbal wisdom—offers a vision for healthcare that honors our complete being.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, I'm your host, the Gentle Yoga
Warrior, and this is AwakenConscious Conversations podcast,
and shortly joining us, all theway from Michigan, is Bonnie
D'Arcangelo, and Bonnie is goingto speak to us today about
silicon, the forgottenmacronutrient, and I know a
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little bit about naturopathherbalology et cetera, just from
actually having been a patient,but that's about as much as I
know.
So this is a subject matterthat I'm not an expert on, so it
makes it really interesting inmany ways to hear what Bonnie
has got to say.
But Bonnie is an expert.
She's a clinical herbalist,holistic health consultant with
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masters of science and herbalmedicine, certified
aromatherapist, nationalassociation of holistic
aromatherapy.
She is the co-founder of acompany and I'm probably going
to pronounce this wrong, but I'mgoing to give it my best.
It's e-verbal, e-verbal, butI'm sure that bonnie will
clarify that when she comes on.
And Bonnie also does somethingreally amazing she is the
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president and founder of aMichigan's Protection of
Michigan Protections, anon-profit focused on restoring
native medical plants inMichigan.
I just want to talk all abouthow silicon is the forgotten
macro nutrient and I think it'sgoing to be really intriguing to
to find out.
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But you were joining shortlyfrom Michigan, so everybody, as
promised, joining us all the wayfrom Michigan is Bonnie de
Archangel.
Hi, bonnie, welcome to the show.
Hi Dane, thank you for havingme.
Oh, I'm so excited to have youon the show today, especially
because I know we're going totalk about silicon, the
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forgotten macronutrient, andnormally have a bit of an idea
on the subject matter, and theonly parts I know about
nutrition basically is when I'vebeen to see a nutritionist
myself.
So you're going to, I'm sure,shed a lot of light on some
amazing things here today.
But firstly, would you mindexplain about your journey so
far and what has inspired you?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
yeah.
So I had a really long journeyleading up to this and and um,
it kind of, I always say, like awindy, twisty road, like some
people in life, they just knowwhere they're going and they go
right right there and, and in mylife I think it was a lot of
personal experiences that thatkind of took me down these
places.
So my journey really startedwith me in my early 20s just
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completely abandoning my life inthe fashion industry and moving
out to the middle of nowhereand living in a log cabin
without running water and justcompletely reconnecting to the
earth.
And just completelyreconnecting to the earth,
connecting to plants, connectingto my own spirituality, and
from there the journey has justcontinued to progress and life
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has always put things in my paththat have helped me to learn
more about health, aboutnutrition, to meet people who
were into different forms ofspirituality.
So I've had lots of differentspiritual teachers in my life,
from African priests that areBabalawos, to astrologers, to
tarot readers, to shamans youname it.
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People have come into my life atrandom times and then left as
quickly as they came in, butthey left me with a big imprint
of their teachings and then I'vehad some own health crises,
with my children and with myselfthat have really deepened my
understanding about naturalhealth and how to help people to
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restore themselves, bothspiritually and physically,
because I truly believe, andhave been shown time and time
again in my clinical practice,that most of our diseases or, as
I like to say, dis-eases, havean underlying spiritual cause
behind them.
And if we can identify thoseemotional or spiritual causes
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behind some people's dis-eases,it can help us, lead us closer
to a path of restoration.
And while herbal medicine andsupplements and food and diet
all really really help, but ifwe are holding on to some type
of trauma deeply withinourselves, our body is also
going to hold on to that diseaseor disease, because that is its
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way of getting it out of thebody.
And I really love what somebodyhad recently talked about, you
know, a tumor being this actualgrowth that the body uses as a
defense mechanism to surroundsomething inside of the body, be
it a toxin or a poison, and sothe body essentially is
encapsulating that poison sothat it can't infest the entire
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system.
And I've been working recentlywith a client of mine who has a
tumor and we've been able totrace back their reasoning and
their belief as to why thattumor happened in their body and
unwinding some of thosepathologies.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And I think that's the most important work, as
somebody who's working in thefield of both spiritual health
and physical health, is that wecan help our clients find those
pathways in both directions oh,I absolutely love what you were
saying and the fact you love thenature kind of started the
whole process, and I equallyhave a deep love of nature, so I
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really love hearing that andthe fact that you want to treat
the whole, the whole of a client, and not just the kind of
symptoms but also like the cause.
And I strongly believe as wellthat in the body, the body does
things when it's holding somesomething that it kind of needs
to let go off and it's gettingto the root of that.
And so I understand that youhave pioneered your own herbal
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or herbal, as you say medicinesand things.
Could you talk a bit about thatplease?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, so we're still deeply in research and
development and working onexpanding our product line.
But it is a combination of myhusband's work and my work, and
so he spent half a decaderesearching into silicon, the
forgotten macronutrient, and theimportance of it in the body
and working on the creation ofwhat we call a silicon plasma
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hydrate.
And so I'll start by explainingthe plasma part of it, because
this always kind of throwspeople off because they think of
like plasmic technology.
But I want to explain plasma asa state of water, and so most
people are familiar with threephases of water solid, liquid
and gaseous, right, like we'retaught in school.
But there's actually a fourthphase of water and that's a
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plasma.
And this is the same state ofwater that the fluids in our own
human body are.
In the water in our bodyeveryone knows we're like 65%
plus water.
But that water is not in aliquid state, it's in a gel-like
state called a plasma.
And it's really importantbecause plasma conducts
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electrical, magnetic energy.
It is actually think of it aslike kind of like a telephone
wire, right, it can send signalsacross that, because plasma is
highly ionized, so it's chargedparticles.
And I also tell people who'snot into the science thing, like
think about alkaline water.
What is alkaline water?
Alkaline water is highlyionized water, and so it's able
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to conduct electromagneticenergy.
And this plasma is similar tothe same stuff that our entire
known universe is made up of.
Science has shown that theuniverse is 99.9% plasma, that
space is not empty, and this isimportant because in space it's
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filled with this plasma state ofa fluid and it conducts
electrical, magnetic energy.
This is how the sun sendssignals to the earth and are
picked up by our poles.
And so if we think about, theold axiom is that we are a
microcosm of the macrocosm.
This is one of thosereflections in the human being
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is that inside of our bodies arethese plasmas that mimic the
universe.
And so what's really reallyimportant about this silicon
plasma is that one we'remimicking the state of the
fluids in our bodies and thestate of the known universe, and
in that we're providing thisforgotten macronutrient, silicon
, which is responsible for theformation of our bones, our
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cartilage, our elastin and thetissues in our body.
Without proper amounts ofsilicon in the body, our body is
unable to repair these damages.
And so if we think about, like,from heart health, what is our
heart, it's this elastin, it'sall of this cartilage and this
tissue, and so that's like thefirst part of our research in
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what is like setting our herbalproducts apart from every other
herbal product on the market isone, instead of having a base of
, like a base oil or an alcoholbase, our base is in this
silicon plasma hydrate that weinfuse our herbal ingredients
into, and so I'll leave it thereand we can talk about more
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about it after.
Yeah, oh, wow it's.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's really interesting to hear and learn
all about this and, yeah, wow,so it's kind of I I guess it's
going to make it go into thebody easier because it's
mimicking something within thebody.
I'm not very scientific person,but that's that was my
perception when you speaking tous.
So why is like silicon theforgotten um nutrient and and
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how can we access it more?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
yeah, and so silicon plays a very fascinating role in
our environment as well, and,and I think it's becoming more
and more popular as a supplement, as people are becoming aware.
So I'll say, like, one thingmost people are aware of what
are called blue zones around theworld, and there's a lot of
research into these blue zones,because people are living longer
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and healthier lives in theseblue zones, and so there is one
connection that they find acrossall of these blue zones and
that is that their water is richin silicon Super, super rich
sources of silicon and that isbecause it's helping to maintain
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the strength of all of thosebody connective tissues and
their bones and their heart,particularly with their heart
health.
And so it's just, it's notsomething that we think of when
we think of, like, our vitamins.
We think of vitamin A, d, e, k,all of these things that we're
so accustomed to, and rarely arewe taught about the importance
of silicon.
But even in our environmentalstructure, like silicon is
really important.
So I'm going to kind of mix twowords because I'll use them
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simultaneously the word siliconand the word silica.
So most people are familiarwith silica as either as sand or
as quartz crystal, and it'svery important in those two
states.
So silicon is the precursor innature to the building of silica
, so that's the base elementthat goes into the creation of
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those crystalline formations.
And so silica plays this hugerole in the entire life of our
system.
In fact it even plays a role incarbon sequestration from the
atmosphere.
So all formations of rockcontain some amount of silica in
them, and in varying degrees.
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And what happens when theserocks are exposed to the air and
they get rain and they'reweathered, is this silica is
released from the rocks andactually forms a bond with the
carbon atoms in the air and itpulls them down and they're
moved away in the waterways.
And this is really importantbecause this silica then feeds
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marine life.
So a lot of people who are intonatural gardening are familiar
with diatomaceous earth.
Diatomaceous earth comes from asea creature that is one of the
only life forms on earth thatis not a carbon-based life form.
It is a silica based life form.
The diatomaceous earth createsits entire body structure out of
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silica, and it creates thisstructure out of the silica that
is weathered from the rocksthat has sequestered this carbon
and pulled it into waterways,and so it's an absolutely
fascinating cycle that, aspeople become more aware of the
intense nature of silica orsilicon, in our environment and
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that's just one of them it'sessential nutrient for plants.
Without silica in our soil,plants will be weak and
susceptible to disease andbreakage.
And so if we think about howimportant this is in our world,
we need to think about howimportant it is for us as well,
and so by creating these herbalproducts that use this advanced
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delivery system of the siliconplasma hydrate, we're able to
not just restore these systems,like our cartilage and our
elastin, but we're also helpingto restore the magnetic
reconnection of the body,because our body is essentially
just this large battery.
Right, we're generating energyand we're sending signals over
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what most people believe.
We're sending signals over ournervous system.
But if you actually look at thehuman body, there's all these
gaps in the system.
They're not completelyconnected from end to end, right
, and we're filled with thisfluid and these spaces.
Even if you look at diagrams ina medical journal and it'll
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show you the gaps in thesynapses and they say that these
nerves are sending signals tothe other nerve end, right, and
they kind of meet like this Well, what is it that is carrying
that nerve system across the gap.
Well, it's these plasma fluidsin the body, and so it's
extremely vital.
And so when people haveconditions like, say, we've been
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doing a lot of research withpeople who have had amputations,
and one of the issues withpeople who have had amputations
and one of the issues withpeople who have had an
amputation is they get what'scalled phantom pains, and there
is no pharmaceutical drug onearth that can get rid of their
phantom pains.
And this is where the body issending a signal to say, the
foot that is no longer there,and these people will be plagued
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with, say, an itch that theycannot itch.
And so people will be plaguedwith an itch that they cannot
itch.
And so if you imagine,sometimes you have an itch and
you want to itch it so bad, butyou can't.
And then it becomes absolutelymaddening that you're unable to
itch something.
Imagine having a limb, that youhave the sensation of having an
itch or even a severe pain, andyou're unable to calm it.
And so in our preliminarytrials, we have been able to
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stop people's phantom pains inas little as two to three
minutes.
Wow that's amazing.
These topicals are helping torestructure those signals of the
brain to that missing limb andthen the brain can recognize
that that limb is no longerthere and so it stops sending
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the signals wow, I didn't even.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I didn't, I didn't even realize that people had
these phantom pains and whenthey had an amputation.
That's really sad to hear.
But it's amazing that yourproduct are two minutes.
That's like wow, that's kind ofnext level brilliance
absolutely brilliant so that thethe silicon?
Um, why do you think we have,then, a shortage of it?
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Is it just we've always had ashortage of it, or do you think
it's modern diet or a lot ofenvironmental factors?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
yeah, so I don't think there is actually okay.
So there's a couple reasons whywe are having a shortage of its
intake because there's noshortage of it out there in our
environment yeah, huge amountsof it out in the environment.
One, it's not in a watersoluble form, so it can be
challenging to uptake into thebody.
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Then, two, most of us aredrinking processed tap water.
So if you're not drinking tapwater from a rich source coming
straight from the earth and it'sbeen processed, you're losing
out on all of those nutrientsand minerals that are available
from that water source.
And so this is one of thethings that, when we are making
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our silica and plasma hydrate,we have to use water in the
creation of the process thatturns this non-water soluble
element into a water solubleelement that can be taken into
the body.
We get our water from an ancientartesian well that is 1500
years old and we are drawing itstraight out of the earth.
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So we are starting from theonset with this pure, beautiful,
structured water that has allof the minerals that we need,
and then we're taking that and,through our processes that we do
in our laboratory, we are ableto convert the silicon into a
water-soluble form, and then itis put into a drinkable form.
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So you're not just getting thesilica, but you're also getting
the beautiful benefit of thisancient artesian well water.
And so that's the number onereason, because we should be
getting most of our silicon fromour water sources, but we're no
longer tapping our water fromthe earth.
And then, number two, our foodsources are so depleted in
silicon because of our farmingmethods, which everyone's aware
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of the pesticides and theherbicides, and then the
monocropping, and so you justhave this continuous depletion
from the system.
And so we even are working onagricultural products that can
be applied agriculturally sothat it is replenishing the
silica that is in the soil, sothen the plants uptake it and
then we ingest it in our plantstoo.
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So there's so many differentways that we can enhance our
nutrient-rich diet by kind ofreturning back to the way that
we were before we had thispharmaceutical agricultural
world that we live in.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh, absolutely.
And I see a point about thewater, not not from like
scientific point of view, butjust because when I'm in the
countryside we've got walkingdistance to old wells and we can
just collect like spring waterand everyone locally goes and
collects this water.
And the days when I haven't hadthat and I've just had water
through the filter, it justfeels so kind of dead to say
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that it has no life the water.
And when I'm in the city I haveto then really filter, filter
the water and also the the waypeople grow their food.
When I grow my own food itfeels so much more alive than
the food I kind of buy from thesupermarket.
So I think, without take evenwithout silicon into
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consideration, I can see how,how our modern ways of living is
kind of really affecting our,our health and stuff.
So how do your products?
Um, so if I'm a listener andI'm somewhere international, am
I able to easily access yourproducts?
Bonnie is, uh, can I do youdeliver internationally?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
yeah, we do.
We do deliver internationally.
So I know you're in the UK andso we do deliver to the UK.
We deliver to Australia and anumber of other countries.
There are some regulations insome countries, but as long as
you're not in, like Iran or Iraq, um that that prohibit the the
shipping of certain products.
But our, our products areclassified as as cosmetics or
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beauty products because they'renot ingested orally, which
allows us to be able to shipinternationally with less
restrictions, which is reallybeautiful because they're
topical products.
I have one here on my desk.
Yeah so they come in a topical,and here in the US, because it's
not taken internally, it'sconsidered a cosmetic product,
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and so that's the beautifulthing about it is we're able to
get it into the hands.
As far as our oral silica thatwe offer, of course we can't
ship that to a lot of countriesbecause that's considered a
supplement, but we do work witha professor in Switzerland who
was one of the originalresearchers.
He's actually a plasmaphysicist and so he's one of the
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original researchers that wehave worked with to develop our
product, and so there arebranches of our products that
are made in different countriesso that it is accessible in the
US I mean in the UK and so ifyou're interested in our oral
silica, you can send me an emailthrough our website and we can
help to connect you with whereit's being produced in areas
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that you would be able topurchase it outside of the US.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh, perfect that's.
That's great, because it'sgreat that you can reach so many
people.
So how did you test yourproducts and develop them?
So how?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
did you test your products and develop them?
So, like I said, we work with aprofessor in Switzerland, and
so he's a plasma physicist andbiologist and a teacher at the
University of Madrid, and so hewas the one who originally
created the original silica thatwe work with and we use.
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And then, as far as ourtopicals go, because we took his
original silica and createdinto a topical formula, so we
have a patent pending formulathat creates an amphiphilic bond
between water and oil.
And this is where our topicalsget any even deeper into helping
to restore the body, becausethe body's cells function off of
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lipids.
And there's this whole move inthe world like to reduce fats
and to lose weight.
But that's actually wrong,because our body's cells need
one thing they need fats.
Our cells are lipid creatures,and so if you reduce your fat
intake, you actually harm thecells of your body and so you
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can create cellular damage.
And so what we've done is we'vetaken our water-soluble silica
and have an amphiphilic bondwith an oil, and the oils in our
products vary from product toproduct depending on what our
end reasoning for the product is.
And this is really important,because our body's cells have
what's called a lipid bilayer.
They have a water-loving sideand an oil-loving side, and this
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is how the cells regulate whatgoes in and out of our cells.
And what goes in and out of ourcells are determined by what's
called endocytic vesicles.
And so you can think of theseendocytic vesicles as
essentially a vehicle like a car, and that car has to go through
a checkpoint and thatcheckpoint says well, do you
look like me, do you have awater tail and an oil tail, and
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can you come in and out andcross my gate?
And so what we've done is we'vemimicked that cellular
structure of that oil and lovingwater tail and then we include
herbal ingredients in ourproducts that have a specialized
focus on those endocyticvesicles so that they can enter
into that vehicle, essentiallylike they have a key to the lock
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on that car and they can hop inthat car and take a ride in and
out of our cells, can hop inthat car and take a ride in and
out of our cells.
And so this is what furthermakes them so effective is
because we can just drive ourproducts deeper and deeper into
the body, and those carriers forthose herbal product
ingredients is really what makesthe difference when we're
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taking, say, an herbalsupplement or a tincture or a
tea, we're ingesting that.
And when we ingest an herb ithas to go through our body's
metabolic processes and beprocessed by the liver.
And depending on the state andcondition of a person's liver,
their digestive system and theiroverall health is really
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greatly going to influencewhether they're actually able to
metabolize that herbal productand whether or not it's going to
become systemic.
They're actually able tometabolize that herbal product
and whether or not it's going tobecome systemic, which means it
goes through the entire body.
And so by having an epidermalapplication, by applying through
the skin, which is the largestorgan of the body, we are able
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to bypass that metabolic processand have a higher entry rate of
our herbal ingredients.
And the other really importantthing and here we're going to
get a little bit more scienceyis there's something called a
Dalton size, and the Dalton sizerefers to the size of a
molecule.
And so what we do with ourproducts is we vary the Dalton
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size of some of our ingredientsso that we're ensuring some of
our ingredients stay on thesurface of the skin to nourish.
So say, if you have like awound, because we have a wound
care product, it's going to havea higher Dalton size because we
want it to stay on the surfaceand nourish the skin, or we can
have a lower Dalton size if wewant it to be able to cross
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beyond that skin barrier and godeeper and penetrate into the
body.
And so that variation of theDalton size of our ingredients
is really vital to know if it'sgoing to stay on the surface or
how deep it's going to go intothe body.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Oh, it's absolutely fascinating.
So it's basically like puttingit in a particular car that's
going to be able to drive to adifferent part of the body
that's the way I envision that.
Um, so you've got the phrasewhat ails you, what, what, how
did that come about?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
yeah, so.
So this is.
This is kind of like thatspiritual infusion into my work
as well, and so the phrase whatails you comes from the story of
Percival, and Percival was aknight of the round table, and
I'm not going to explain thewhole story, but I highly
suggest reading.
There's various versions of thestory and there's a lot of
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meaning in there, butessentially Percival was invited
into the Grail Castle by theGrail King and he enters into
the Grail Castle and he is atthis feast in which he sees all
these magical wonders that arejust expanding his mind, and
he's sitting there and he reallywants to ask the Grail King
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some questions.
But along his path in life andon his prior journeys he had
been criticized for asking toomany questions and had been told
time and time again that it isimpolite to ask questions,
especially when you arrive at anew location and are meeting new
people.
And so Percival is here at thisfeast with the Grail King and he
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can see that the Grail King issuffering and that the Grail
King is in pain and he reallywants to ask questions, but he
does not ask any questions andhe falls asleep at the Grail
Castle and wakes up the nextmorning and is no longer there.
And he wanders aimlessly, tryingto find his way back to the
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Grail Castle, unable to find thecastle again.
And along these wanderings herealizes his mistake.
And his mistake was that hefailed to ask the grail king the
question.
And you go through the storywondering what the question is
that he failed to ask the grailking.
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And it's not until all the wayat the end that you're told that
the question that he wassupposed to ask the grail king
was what ails you.
And by asking the grail kingthe question what ails you, he
would have set the grail kingfree from his suffering.
And so the phrase what ails youis our way of asking people
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what is causing their sufferingand what can we do to help you.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I love all the story and how you came up with it.
I could feel like this sense ofwarmth and, I don't know,
inspiration from hearing youspeak about that, bonnie.
So thank you for that and andkind of using that as a compass
for your your work is theresomething I always like to ask
my guests?
This is there something thatyou wish everybody knew in the
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world and if so, what is it?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
it's a really good question.
If there was one thing I wishthat everybody in the world
could know is that you are aspark of the divine Within each
and every one of you is a littlebit of that spark of the divine
, and if you can access yourdivine nature within yourself,
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it's limitless possibilities,absolutely limitless.
And the true key to healing andthe true key to restoration is
to recognize where we have comefrom.
I think we can get so boggeddown in this material life that
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we're living that we fail to seewhat is really inside of
ourselves and inside of everysingle one of us is a spirit, is
a being who is here on earthhaving an experience because
there were some lessons and somethings that we needed to learn
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and that when this life is allover and said and done, that we
get to return back to thespiritual world.
And I think we get so cloudedand bogged down by what religion
tells us and the stories ofhell and purgatory and all of
these things, and they certainlyhave value and merit, because
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if we live a life here on thisearth full of evil deeds and
evil things, we're not going tobe welcomed back into the
spiritual world with open arms.
But that last thing I said isreally key that when we pass
from this world, we are welcomedback into the spiritual world
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with open arms.
There is something waiting onthe other side.
It's our cosmic mother andfather, and I always like to
emphasize this cosmic motherpart.
People have, through religion,have been taught that there is
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just this God, the Father.
But if you really comb throughthe Bible with an open eye and
an open mind, you will comeacross phrases again and again
and again that will confirm thatthe Bible has told you that we
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created, who is the?
We created man, who is this we,who is this other that is spoken
about, and that is that cosmicmother that we came from, a
cosmic mother and a cosmicfather, and they are there on
the other side waiting towelcome us back.
And we're like children we canthink of it as children, our
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kids.
I'm a mom of four kids, and soI certainly know that they're
all going to go out there in theworld and they have their own
lessons and their own trials andtheir own things that they're
going to have to learn.
And while I'm going to be hereto support them, I have to let
them fall down and get injured,otherwise they're really never
going to learn how to walk ontheir own.
If we pad them all around inevery corner, they never learn
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anything.
And our cosmic mother andfather are the same way.
They're here for us absolutelywhen we call upon them, but they
also have to let us fall downfrom time to time, because
that's how we learn absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's the only way that we can learn it.
I remember my friend sayingabout um, you know how birds
push the babies out of the nestand they kind of have to, like
people think, oh, why would theydo that?
But it's the only way that theylearn how to to fly fly by
themselves.
And I think that when we we dothe stuff we're meant to do in
this life, it inspires otherpeople to see that they can do
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what they're meant to do as well.
And um, bonnie, you're veryknowledgeable on this and I I'm
going to try your products.
I think they sound fascinating.
I'm sure they're very good forso, so many things.
I'd be intrigued to know whatare your future plans with all
this?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
yeah, so we have.
I have a number of products inthe works, some that I'm really
excited about um.
So I'm currently working on aproduct, um for breast health,
and so I've partnered with adoctor who does thermal imaging
of breast as for breast cancerprevention and monitoring, and
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his one struggle is that, well,I can tell when somebody is at
high risk for breast cancer andI can make dietary and lifestyle
changes, but I don't have a aproduct that actually can reduce
their risk.
And so we are 90% through ourresearch and development, and in
(33:00):
the coming weeks here are goingto have our product finalized
and then it is going to go intothe testing phase with our
doctor to be tested on some ofhis patients just to check and
ensure that the product doeswhat it says it's going to do.
And so one of my biggest futuregoals is in the creation of a
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topical that can help to reducethe risk of breast cancer, and
this is largely done because onthe thermal imaging, there's
signs of heat and stagnationthat is starting to build around
the breast tissue, and so ourtopical focus is on dispersing
and eliminating the heat aroundthe tissue and then to help to
(33:44):
improve the lymphatic flow sothat we have the removal of the
toxins around that breast tissueand our hope and our theory is
that this is going to help toreduce the risk of breast cancer
in some of these women.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That would be an amazing thing to do.
I've had family members who'vehad breast cancer so I know it's
such an impactful situation ondifferent people's lives and the
fact that you could dodevelopment of product that's
going to help with breast healthis absolutely, astoundingly
brilliant.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And I would like to say is that if you know the kind
of I call it the marriagebetween kind of mainstream um
medicine and herbal medicine, Iread somewhere that or saw
somewhere that you think theycan work together if they learn
to Absolutely, and that's one ofthe biggest things that I
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really work with my clients whocome into my clinic is that your
MD, your doctor, needs to beour biggest ally because we need
to work together, especiallywhen people come into my office
and they've been onpharmaceuticals and they're
really looking to reduce that oreliminate the pharmaceuticals
in their life and move tonatural products.
I cannot do that without thecooperation of your doctor.
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But there is also a lot ofclinical studies and trials and
evidence that show that herbalmedicine can actually make
pharmaceutical drugs moreeffective and less harmful to
the body and that when they'reused in conjunction with each
other, they have significantbenefits.
And if we look at othercountries like China, china has
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a huge, rich history of herbalmedicine.
Traditional Chinese medicinehas a far larger materia medica
than we have here in the UnitedStates.
They have I think it'ssomething like 600 different
medicinal plants that are intheir materia medica, versus
just a few hundred here in theUS that are grown.
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And because China did not havethe money like we did in Western
medical industry, they had todevelop, for instance, cancer
protocols through their herbalmedicine treatments, and so in
China they have a very beautifulmarriage between herbal
medicine and their chemotherapyand radiation treatments, which
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they use in conjunction witheach other, and they have a lot
of studies showing that whenherbal medicine is used with
cancer treatment, particularlychemotherapy for instance,
people won't lose their hair,their hair does not fall out,
that the herbs actually help toprotect the rest of the body,
and they have a lot of evidenceshowing that it is more
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effective at the same time andthat they have less wasting
syndrome cachexia, which is acommon issue and is actually one
of the leading causes of deathin people who are going through
these treatments, because theyessentially waste away.
Their digestive system becomeswrecked, they're no longer able
to absorb nutrients from theirfood.
They lose their appetiteentirely.
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There's a whole long laundrylist of things that people have
to endure when they're goingthrough these treatments, and so
my future vision here in the USand in every country across the
globe is that we would begin tointegrate some of these
protocols into our lives andinto our medical systems.
Here in the US, it isabsolutely illegal for me to put
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somebody on an herbal protocolif they are going through any
type of cancer treatment with anoncologist.
It is illegal.
I cannot, I cannot recommend itto them, I can't tell them
about it, I can't do anythingfor them if they are being seen
by an oncologist, and it'sabsolutely detrimental to the
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human being to restrict themfrom access to natural medicine
that would help to not only maketheir treatment more effective,
but would help to improve theirquality of life simultaneously.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Absolutely.
That makes me sad to hear thatthey don't have access to that.
I don't think it's the same.
Here in the UK you're allowedto um, so it's sad to hear that.
Do you think that's going tochange at all?
I hope.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I hope that it's going to change.
I think that it is somethingthat people want and until
people demand it.
But the other thing is too isawareness People even knowing
that these options exist?
Even if you're in a country inwhich you are allowed to be
taking these herbal medicinessimultaneously with your cancer
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treatment, if you don't knowthat that option exists, how are
you ever going to request it?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So true, if you don't know, you're not going to know
it exists and you're not goingto be able to to have access to
that.
And some sometimes I think thewestern medicine what kind of
wants to keep people so thatthey don't know about it.
But I think, um, people likeyourself, who who's kind of
shining the lights light on itand I'm not saying that it's
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it's wrong to take othermedicines, but it's more like
finding a kind of way to betogether and and a way to kind
of make it flow in that way.
So if I'm a listener and I wantto either like contact you see
about your website, stuff likethat, could you please enlighten
our listeners and how they cando that and what your website is
?
Thank you you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So I'll start by saying that I am a.
I have a love for unique andunusual names for things, and a
lot of my my names for mybusinesses are derived from
ancient Greek words that I havealtered to kind of fit my needs.
So you can find me.
One beautiful hub isbonniediercangelocom, and so
(39:32):
that's my name, without theapostrophe, and on there you'll
find links to every single oneof my business my clinical
practice, which is calledVeusebia, and that comes from
the ancient Greek word Eusebia,which means the sacred awe and
reverence for something, and soI loved that word and I look at
my clinical practice as a sacredawe and reverence for the
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plants and the medicine theyprovide for us.
And then my topical product, myherbal product company, is
etherbalcom, and that's spelledwith an A-E, and you can find
links to all of those on mywebsite at
bonnieanddarkangelocom, and youcan also contact me through
there with any questions youmight have.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Oh, that's really helpful, bonnie, and we're
coming to the point.
Now we're coming to the end ofthe interview, but I always
think, because I'm the oneasking the questions, is there
something that you wish we hadcovered and you'd like to
express at this point?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I think we did a beautiful job talking about the
topicals and touching on herbalmedicine, and there's one thing
that I always like to tellpeople about herbal medicine
it's not a one size fit all.
I hear it from a lot of womenlike oh, I tried black cohosh
for my menopausal symptoms andit didn't work.
It's not a blanket.
Everybody is different andherbal medicine is largely based
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on energetics, which means likethey have hot and cold
properties to each herb.
They can be drying or they canbe moistening, and everybody's
body is different.
What you need and that one herbby itself is like a person
standing alone in a desert.
It's going to have a very hardtime surviving.
But when you have a properlyformulated herbal set that
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includes four, five, even sevenor 10 different herbs, they have
a tendency to work better in asynergistic system and they can
support each other for their ownsurvival and they can support
each other's work.
You know we kind of have likethis kind of tier that we do in
herbal medicine.
Like you have a chief herb thatis for the main pattern, and
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then a deputy and an assistantand an envoy, and all of these
people help to assist that chief, and so I really encourage
people who are interested inusing herbal medicine to seek
out an herbalist who iswell-trained and well-versed so
they can help to create aformula that is tailor-fit for
you.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Oh, that sounds very wise advice, bonnie.
Thank you, and I'm reallyhonoured to have you on the show
.
It wasn't subject matter that Iknew a lot about, but you've
enlightened me on that.
I'm definitely going to checkout your website.
Dear listeners, please staytuned, as the meditation
inspired by today's show.
But thank you once again,bonnie D'Arcangelo, for joining
(42:17):
us today from Michigan.
Thank you, bonnie.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Thank you, Jane, so much for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Top tips for the meditation is either sit nice
and cross-legged on the floorwith a nice straight back Always
nice to sit on a block or acushion.
Although that's not availablefor you, you sit in a chair with
the back nice and straight.
The important thing is you'renot slouching, and if you're
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doing something that requiresyour concentration, all you need
to do is just pause this andyou can reconvene the meditation
at a time that is good for you.
If you're doing the meditation,let's begin.
So, without further ado, here'stoday's meditation, and I
thought we would do a meditationinspired by water.
So, dear listeners, as you closethe eyes, imagine that you are
(43:08):
surrounded by this floating poolof water in your imagination
and you hear the bubbles of thewater as it cascades gently, but
sometimes a bit more quickly,past you.
In this shallow but warm poolof water and this pool, you just
(43:29):
sit by and just listen to thesounds.
You listen to the moment.
You connect to all the energy,all the information that the
water, as much as the mind triesto go off into different places
(44:04):
.
Let thoughts be there, but justbring it back to this water and
all you can do is you cancontinue breathing calmly and
deeply for the next few minutes,listening to the water.
(44:38):
Keep going, you're doing greatand you're slowly now going to
look into this imaginary pool ofwater and just ask yourself
what reflection do I need to seeto progress me further in my
life?
It can be anything a place, aface, a word, but just your
(45:05):
personal journey.
What do you see?
And then you inhale, and youexhale slowly and softly through
the nostrils.
You come back into the moment,come back into the day, making a
note of what it was that yousaw in your mystical pool of
(45:26):
water.
So, as always, thank you forlistening.
Hello everybody, I'm your host, the Gentle Yoga
Warrior, and this is AwakenConscious Conversations podcast,
and shortly joining us, all theway from Michigan, is Bonnie
D'Arcangelo, and Bonnie is goingto speak to us today about
silicon, the forgottenmacronutrient, and I know a
(00:21):
little bit about naturopathherbalology et cetera, just from
actually having been a patient,but that's about as much as I
know.
So this is a subject matterthat I'm not an expert on, so it
makes it really interesting inmany ways to hear what Bonnie
has got to say.
But Bonnie is an expert.
She's a clinical herbalist,holistic health consultant with
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masters of science and herbalmedicine, certified
aromatherapist, nationalassociation of holistic
aromatherapy.
She is the co-founder of acompany and I'm probably going
to pronounce this wrong, but I'mgoing to give it my best.
It's e-verbal, e-verbal, butI'm sure that bonnie will
clarify that when she comes on.
And Bonnie also does somethingreally amazing she is the
(01:07):
president and founder of aMichigan's Protection of
Michigan Protections, anon-profit focused on restoring
native medical plants inMichigan.
I just want to talk all abouthow silicon is the forgotten
macro nutrient and I think it'sgoing to be really intriguing to
to find out.
(01:27):
But you were joining shortlyfrom Michigan, so everybody, as
promised, joining us all the wayfrom Michigan is Bonnie de
Archangel.
Hi, bonnie, welcome to the show.
Hi Dane, thank you for havingme.
Oh, I'm so excited to have youon the show today, especially
because I know we're going totalk about silicon, the
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forgotten macronutrient, andnormally have a bit of an idea
on the subject matter, and theonly parts I know about
nutrition basically is when I'vebeen to see a nutritionist
myself.
So you're going to, I'm sure,shed a lot of light on some
amazing things here today.
But firstly, would you mindexplain about your journey so
far and what has inspired you?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
yeah.
So I had a really long journeyleading up to this and and um,
it kind of, I always say, like awindy, twisty road, like some
people in life, they just knowwhere they're going and they go
right right there and, and in mylife I think it was a lot of
personal experiences that thatkind of took me down these
places.
So my journey really startedwith me in my early 20s just
(02:31):
completely abandoning my life inthe fashion industry and moving
out to the middle of nowhereand living in a log cabin
without running water and justcompletely reconnecting to the
earth.
And just completelyreconnecting to the earth,
connecting to plants, connectingto my own spirituality, and
from there the journey has justcontinued to progress and life
(02:52):
has always put things in my paththat have helped me to learn
more about health, aboutnutrition, to meet people who
were into different forms ofspirituality.
So I've had lots of differentspiritual teachers in my life,
from African priests that areBabalawos, to astrologers, to
tarot readers, to shamans youname it.
(03:15):
People have come into my life atrandom times and then left as
quickly as they came in, butthey left me with a big imprint
of their teachings and then I'vehad some own health crises,
with my children and with myselfthat have really deepened my
understanding about naturalhealth and how to help people to
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restore themselves, bothspiritually and physically,
because I truly believe, andhave been shown time and time
again in my clinical practice,that most of our diseases or, as
I like to say, dis-eases, havean underlying spiritual cause
behind them.
And if we can identify thoseemotional or spiritual causes
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behind some people's dis-eases,it can help us, lead us closer
to a path of restoration.
And while herbal medicine andsupplements and food and diet
all really really help, but ifwe are holding on to some type
of trauma deeply withinourselves, our body is also
going to hold on to that diseaseor disease, because that is its
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way of getting it out of thebody.
And I really love what somebodyhad recently talked about, you
know, a tumor being this actualgrowth that the body uses as a
defense mechanism to surroundsomething inside of the body, be
it a toxin or a poison, and sothe body essentially is
encapsulating that poison sothat it can't infest the entire
(04:43):
system.
And I've been working recentlywith a client of mine who has a
tumor and we've been able totrace back their reasoning and
their belief as to why thattumor happened in their body and
unwinding some of thosepathologies.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And I think that's the most important work, as
somebody who's working in thefield of both spiritual health
and physical health, is that wecan help our clients find those
pathways in both directions oh,I absolutely love what you were
saying and the fact you love thenature kind of started the
whole process, and I equallyhave a deep love of nature, so I
(05:18):
really love hearing that andthe fact that you want to treat
the whole, the whole of a client, and not just the kind of
symptoms but also like the cause.
And I strongly believe as wellthat in the body, the body does
things when it's holding somesomething that it kind of needs
to let go off and it's gettingto the root of that.
And so I understand that youhave pioneered your own herbal
(05:44):
or herbal, as you say medicinesand things.
Could you talk a bit about thatplease?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, so we're still deeply in research and
development and working onexpanding our product line.
But it is a combination of myhusband's work and my work, and
so he spent half a decaderesearching into silicon, the
forgotten macronutrient, and theimportance of it in the body
and working on the creation ofwhat we call a silicon plasma
(06:12):
hydrate.
And so I'll start by explainingthe plasma part of it, because
this always kind of throwspeople off because they think of
like plasmic technology.
But I want to explain plasma asa state of water, and so most
people are familiar with threephases of water solid, liquid
and gaseous, right, like we'retaught in school.
But there's actually a fourthphase of water and that's a
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plasma.
And this is the same state ofwater that the fluids in our own
human body are.
In the water in our bodyeveryone knows we're like 65%
plus water.
But that water is not in aliquid state, it's in a gel-like
state called a plasma.
And it's really importantbecause plasma conducts
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electrical, magnetic energy.
It is actually think of it aslike kind of like a telephone
wire, right, it can send signalsacross that, because plasma is
highly ionized, so it's chargedparticles.
And I also tell people who'snot into the science thing, like
think about alkaline water.
What is alkaline water?
Alkaline water is highlyionized water, and so it's able
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to conduct electromagneticenergy.
And this plasma is similar tothe same stuff that our entire
known universe is made up of.
Science has shown that theuniverse is 99.9% plasma, that
space is not empty, and this isimportant because in space it's
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filled with this plasma state ofa fluid and it conducts
electrical, magnetic energy.
This is how the sun sendssignals to the earth and are
picked up by our poles.
And so if we think about, theold axiom is that we are a
microcosm of the macrocosm.
This is one of thosereflections in the human being
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is that inside of our bodies arethese plasmas that mimic the
universe.
And so what's really reallyimportant about this silicon
plasma is that one we'remimicking the state of the
fluids in our bodies and thestate of the known universe, and
in that we're providing thisforgotten macronutrient, silicon
, which is responsible for theformation of our bones, our
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cartilage, our elastin and thetissues in our body.
Without proper amounts ofsilicon in the body, our body is
unable to repair these damages.
And so if we think about, like,from heart health, what is our
heart, it's this elastin, it'sall of this cartilage and this
tissue, and so that's like thefirst part of our research in
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what is like setting our herbalproducts apart from every other
herbal product on the market isone, instead of having a base of
, like a base oil or an alcoholbase, our base is in this
silicon plasma hydrate that weinfuse our herbal ingredients
into, and so I'll leave it thereand we can talk about more
(09:04):
about it after.
Yeah, oh, wow it's.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's really interesting to hear and learn
all about this and, yeah, wow,so it's kind of I I guess it's
going to make it go into thebody easier because it's
mimicking something within thebody.
I'm not very scientific person,but that's that was my
perception when you speaking tous.
So why is like silicon theforgotten um nutrient and and
(09:30):
how can we access it more?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
yeah, and so silicon plays a very fascinating role in
our environment as well, and,and I think it's becoming more
and more popular as a supplement, as people are becoming aware.
So I'll say, like, one thingmost people are aware of what
are called blue zones around theworld, and there's a lot of
research into these blue zones,because people are living longer
(09:53):
and healthier lives in theseblue zones, and so there is one
connection that they find acrossall of these blue zones and
that is that their water is richin silicon Super, super rich
sources of silicon and that isbecause it's helping to maintain
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the strength of all of thosebody connective tissues and
their bones and their heart,particularly with their heart
health.
And so it's just, it's notsomething that we think of when
we think of, like, our vitamins.
We think of vitamin A, d, e, k,all of these things that we're
so accustomed to, and rarely arewe taught about the importance
of silicon.
But even in our environmentalstructure, like silicon is
really important.
So I'm going to kind of mix twowords because I'll use them
(10:37):
simultaneously the word siliconand the word silica.
So most people are familiarwith silica as either as sand or
as quartz crystal, and it'svery important in those two
states.
So silicon is the precursor innature to the building of silica
, so that's the base elementthat goes into the creation of
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those crystalline formations.
And so silica plays this hugerole in the entire life of our
system.
In fact it even plays a role incarbon sequestration from the
atmosphere.
So all formations of rockcontain some amount of silica in
them, and in varying degrees.
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And what happens when theserocks are exposed to the air and
they get rain and they'reweathered, is this silica is
released from the rocks andactually forms a bond with the
carbon atoms in the air and itpulls them down and they're
moved away in the waterways.
And this is really importantbecause this silica then feeds
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marine life.
So a lot of people who are intonatural gardening are familiar
with diatomaceous earth.
Diatomaceous earth comes from asea creature that is one of the
only life forms on earth thatis not a carbon-based life form.
It is a silica based life form.
The diatomaceous earth createsits entire body structure out of
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silica, and it creates thisstructure out of the silica that
is weathered from the rocksthat has sequestered this carbon
and pulled it into waterways,and so it's an absolutely
fascinating cycle that, aspeople become more aware of the
intense nature of silica orsilicon, in our environment and
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that's just one of them it'sessential nutrient for plants.
Without silica in our soil,plants will be weak and
susceptible to disease andbreakage.
And so if we think about howimportant this is in our world,
we need to think about howimportant it is for us as well,
and so by creating these herbalproducts that use this advanced
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delivery system of the siliconplasma hydrate, we're able to
not just restore these systems,like our cartilage and our
elastin, but we're also helpingto restore the magnetic
reconnection of the body,because our body is essentially
just this large battery.
Right, we're generating energyand we're sending signals over
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what most people believe.
We're sending signals over ournervous system.
But if you actually look at thehuman body, there's all these
gaps in the system.
They're not completelyconnected from end to end, right
, and we're filled with thisfluid and these spaces.
Even if you look at diagrams ina medical journal and it'll
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show you the gaps in thesynapses and they say that these
nerves are sending signals tothe other nerve end, right, and
they kind of meet like this Well, what is it that is carrying
that nerve system across the gap.
Well, it's these plasma fluidsin the body, and so it's
extremely vital.
And so when people haveconditions like, say, we've been
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doing a lot of research withpeople who have had amputations,
and one of the issues withpeople who have had amputations
and one of the issues withpeople who have had an
amputation is they get what'scalled phantom pains, and there
is no pharmaceutical drug onearth that can get rid of their
phantom pains.
And this is where the body issending a signal to say, the
foot that is no longer there,and these people will be plagued
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with, say, an itch that theycannot itch.
And so people will be plaguedwith an itch that they cannot
itch.
And so if you imagine,sometimes you have an itch and
you want to itch it so bad, butyou can't.
And then it becomes absolutelymaddening that you're unable to
itch something.
Imagine having a limb, that youhave the sensation of having an
itch or even a severe pain, andyou're unable to calm it.
And so in our preliminarytrials, we have been able to
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stop people's phantom pains inas little as two to three
minutes.
Wow that's amazing.
These topicals are helping torestructure those signals of the
brain to that missing limb andthen the brain can recognize
that that limb is no longerthere and so it stops sending
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the signals wow, I didn't even.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I didn't, I didn't even realize that people had
these phantom pains and whenthey had an amputation.
That's really sad to hear.
But it's amazing that yourproduct are two minutes.
That's like wow, that's kind ofnext level brilliance
absolutely brilliant so that thethe silicon?
Um, why do you think we have,then, a shortage of it?
(15:32):
Is it just we've always had ashortage of it, or do you think
it's modern diet or a lot ofenvironmental factors?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
yeah, so I don't think there is actually okay.
So there's a couple reasons whywe are having a shortage of its
intake because there's noshortage of it out there in our
environment yeah, huge amountsof it out in the environment.
One, it's not in a watersoluble form, so it can be
challenging to uptake into thebody.
(15:59):
Then, two, most of us aredrinking processed tap water.
So if you're not drinking tapwater from a rich source coming
straight from the earth and it'sbeen processed, you're losing
out on all of those nutrientsand minerals that are available
from that water source.
And so this is one of thethings that, when we are making
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our silica and plasma hydrate,we have to use water in the
creation of the process thatturns this non-water soluble
element into a water solubleelement that can be taken into
the body.
We get our water from an ancientartesian well that is 1500
years old and we are drawing itstraight out of the earth.
(16:45):
So we are starting from theonset with this pure, beautiful,
structured water that has allof the minerals that we need,
and then we're taking that and,through our processes that we do
in our laboratory, we are ableto convert the silicon into a
water-soluble form, and then itis put into a drinkable form.
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So you're not just getting thesilica, but you're also getting
the beautiful benefit of thisancient artesian well water.
And so that's the number onereason, because we should be
getting most of our silicon fromour water sources, but we're no
longer tapping our water fromthe earth.
And then, number two, our foodsources are so depleted in
silicon because of our farmingmethods, which everyone's aware
(17:31):
of the pesticides and theherbicides, and then the
monocropping, and so you justhave this continuous depletion
from the system.
And so we even are working onagricultural products that can
be applied agriculturally sothat it is replenishing the
silica that is in the soil, sothen the plants uptake it and
then we ingest it in our plantstoo.
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So there's so many differentways that we can enhance our
nutrient-rich diet by kind ofreturning back to the way that
we were before we had thispharmaceutical agricultural
world that we live in.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh, absolutely.
And I see a point about thewater, not not from like
scientific point of view, butjust because when I'm in the
countryside we've got walkingdistance to old wells and we can
just collect like spring waterand everyone locally goes and
collects this water.
And the days when I haven't hadthat and I've just had water
through the filter, it justfeels so kind of dead to say
(18:28):
that it has no life the water.
And when I'm in the city I haveto then really filter, filter
the water and also the the waypeople grow their food.
When I grow my own food itfeels so much more alive than
the food I kind of buy from thesupermarket.
So I think, without take evenwithout silicon into
(18:50):
consideration, I can see how,how our modern ways of living is
kind of really affecting our,our health and stuff.
So how do your products?
Um, so if I'm a listener andI'm somewhere international, am
I able to easily access yourproducts?
Bonnie is, uh, can I do youdeliver internationally?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
yeah, we do.
We do deliver internationally.
So I know you're in the UK andso we do deliver to the UK.
We deliver to Australia and anumber of other countries.
There are some regulations insome countries, but as long as
you're not in, like Iran or Iraq, um that that prohibit the the
shipping of certain products.
But our, our products areclassified as as cosmetics or
(19:32):
beauty products because they'renot ingested orally, which
allows us to be able to shipinternationally with less
restrictions, which is reallybeautiful because they're
topical products.
I have one here on my desk.
Yeah so they come in a topical,and here in the US, because it's
not taken internally, it'sconsidered a cosmetic product,
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and so that's the beautifulthing about it is we're able to
get it into the hands.
As far as our oral silica thatwe offer, of course we can't
ship that to a lot of countriesbecause that's considered a
supplement, but we do work witha professor in Switzerland who
was one of the originalresearchers.
He's actually a plasmaphysicist and so he's one of the
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original researchers that wehave worked with to develop our
product, and so there arebranches of our products that
are made in different countriesso that it is accessible in the
US I mean in the UK and so ifyou're interested in our oral
silica, you can send me an emailthrough our website and we can
help to connect you with whereit's being produced in areas
(20:38):
that you would be able topurchase it outside of the US.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh, perfect that's.
That's great, because it'sgreat that you can reach so many
people.
So how did you test yourproducts and develop them?
So how?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
did you test your products and develop them?
So, like I said, we work with aprofessor in Switzerland, and
so he's a plasma physicist andbiologist and a teacher at the
University of Madrid, and so hewas the one who originally
created the original silica thatwe work with and we use.
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And then, as far as ourtopicals go, because we took his
original silica and createdinto a topical formula, so we
have a patent pending formulathat creates an amphiphilic bond
between water and oil.
And this is where our topicalsget any even deeper into helping
to restore the body, becausethe body's cells function off of
(21:35):
lipids.
And there's this whole move inthe world like to reduce fats
and to lose weight.
But that's actually wrong,because our body's cells need
one thing they need fats.
Our cells are lipid creatures,and so if you reduce your fat
intake, you actually harm thecells of your body and so you
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can create cellular damage.
And so what we've done is we'vetaken our water-soluble silica
and have an amphiphilic bondwith an oil, and the oils in our
products vary from product toproduct depending on what our
end reasoning for the product is.
And this is really important,because our body's cells have
what's called a lipid bilayer.
They have a water-loving sideand an oil-loving side, and this
(22:20):
is how the cells regulate whatgoes in and out of our cells.
And what goes in and out of ourcells are determined by what's
called endocytic vesicles.
And so you can think of theseendocytic vesicles as
essentially a vehicle like a car, and that car has to go through
a checkpoint and thatcheckpoint says well, do you
look like me, do you have awater tail and an oil tail, and
(22:44):
can you come in and out andcross my gate?
And so what we've done is we'vemimicked that cellular
structure of that oil and lovingwater tail and then we include
herbal ingredients in ourproducts that have a specialized
focus on those endocyticvesicles so that they can enter
into that vehicle, essentiallylike they have a key to the lock
(23:05):
on that car and they can hop inthat car and take a ride in and
out of our cells, can hop inthat car and take a ride in and
out of our cells.
And so this is what furthermakes them so effective is
because we can just drive ourproducts deeper and deeper into
the body, and those carriers forthose herbal product
ingredients is really what makesthe difference when we're
(23:27):
taking, say, an herbalsupplement or a tincture or a
tea, we're ingesting that.
And when we ingest an herb ithas to go through our body's
metabolic processes and beprocessed by the liver.
And depending on the state andcondition of a person's liver,
their digestive system and theiroverall health is really
(23:47):
greatly going to influencewhether they're actually able to
metabolize that herbal productand whether or not it's going to
become systemic.
They're actually able tometabolize that herbal product
and whether or not it's going tobecome systemic, which means it
goes through the entire body.
And so by having an epidermalapplication, by applying through
the skin, which is the largestorgan of the body, we are able
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to bypass that metabolic processand have a higher entry rate of
our herbal ingredients.
And the other really importantthing and here we're going to
get a little bit more scienceyis there's something called a
Dalton size, and the Dalton sizerefers to the size of a
molecule.
And so what we do with ourproducts is we vary the Dalton
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size of some of our ingredientsso that we're ensuring some of
our ingredients stay on thesurface of the skin to nourish.
So say, if you have like awound, because we have a wound
care product, it's going to havea higher Dalton size because we
want it to stay on the surfaceand nourish the skin, or we can
have a lower Dalton size if wewant it to be able to cross
(24:51):
beyond that skin barrier and godeeper and penetrate into the
body.
And so that variation of theDalton size of our ingredients
is really vital to know if it'sgoing to stay on the surface or
how deep it's going to go intothe body.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Oh, it's absolutely fascinating.
So it's basically like puttingit in a particular car that's
going to be able to drive to adifferent part of the body
that's the way I envision that.
Um, so you've got the phrasewhat ails you, what, what, how
did that come about?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
yeah, so.
So this is.
This is kind of like thatspiritual infusion into my work
as well, and so the phrase whatails you comes from the story of
Percival, and Percival was aknight of the round table, and
I'm not going to explain thewhole story, but I highly
suggest reading.
There's various versions of thestory and there's a lot of
(25:44):
meaning in there, butessentially Percival was invited
into the Grail Castle by theGrail King and he enters into
the Grail Castle and he is atthis feast in which he sees all
these magical wonders that arejust expanding his mind, and
he's sitting there and he reallywants to ask the Grail King
(26:05):
some questions.
But along his path in life andon his prior journeys he had
been criticized for asking toomany questions and had been told
time and time again that it isimpolite to ask questions,
especially when you arrive at anew location and are meeting new
people.
And so Percival is here at thisfeast with the Grail King and he
(26:28):
can see that the Grail King issuffering and that the Grail
King is in pain and he reallywants to ask questions, but he
does not ask any questions andhe falls asleep at the Grail
Castle and wakes up the nextmorning and is no longer there.
And he wanders aimlessly, tryingto find his way back to the
(26:48):
Grail Castle, unable to find thecastle again.
And along these wanderings herealizes his mistake.
And his mistake was that hefailed to ask the grail king the
question.
And you go through the storywondering what the question is
that he failed to ask the grailking.
(27:08):
And it's not until all the wayat the end that you're told that
the question that he wassupposed to ask the grail king
was what ails you.
And by asking the grail kingthe question what ails you, he
would have set the grail kingfree from his suffering.
And so the phrase what ails youis our way of asking people
(27:34):
what is causing their sufferingand what can we do to help you.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I love all the story and how you came up with it.
I could feel like this sense ofwarmth and, I don't know,
inspiration from hearing youspeak about that, bonnie.
So thank you for that and andkind of using that as a compass
for your your work is theresomething I always like to ask
my guests?
This is there something thatyou wish everybody knew in the
(28:01):
world and if so, what is it?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
it's a really good question.
If there was one thing I wishthat everybody in the world
could know is that you are aspark of the divine Within each
and every one of you is a littlebit of that spark of the divine
, and if you can access yourdivine nature within yourself,
(28:27):
it's limitless possibilities,absolutely limitless.
And the true key to healing andthe true key to restoration is
to recognize where we have comefrom.
I think we can get so boggeddown in this material life that
(28:48):
we're living that we fail to seewhat is really inside of
ourselves and inside of everysingle one of us is a spirit, is
a being who is here on earthhaving an experience because
there were some lessons and somethings that we needed to learn
(29:10):
and that when this life is allover and said and done, that we
get to return back to thespiritual world.
And I think we get so cloudedand bogged down by what religion
tells us and the stories ofhell and purgatory and all of
these things, and they certainlyhave value and merit, because
(29:30):
if we live a life here on thisearth full of evil deeds and
evil things, we're not going tobe welcomed back into the
spiritual world with open arms.
But that last thing I said isreally key that when we pass
from this world, we are welcomedback into the spiritual world
(29:53):
with open arms.
There is something waiting onthe other side.
It's our cosmic mother andfather, and I always like to
emphasize this cosmic motherpart.
People have, through religion,have been taught that there is
(30:13):
just this God, the Father.
But if you really comb throughthe Bible with an open eye and
an open mind, you will comeacross phrases again and again
and again that will confirm thatthe Bible has told you that we
(30:33):
created, who is the?
We created man, who is this we,who is this other that is spoken
about, and that is that cosmicmother that we came from, a
cosmic mother and a cosmicfather, and they are there on
the other side waiting towelcome us back.
And we're like children we canthink of it as children, our
(30:56):
kids.
I'm a mom of four kids, and soI certainly know that they're
all going to go out there in theworld and they have their own
lessons and their own trials andtheir own things that they're
going to have to learn.
And while I'm going to be hereto support them, I have to let
them fall down and get injured,otherwise they're really never
going to learn how to walk ontheir own.
If we pad them all around inevery corner, they never learn
(31:21):
anything.
And our cosmic mother andfather are the same way.
They're here for us absolutelywhen we call upon them, but they
also have to let us fall downfrom time to time, because
that's how we learn absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's the only way that we can learn it.
I remember my friend sayingabout um, you know how birds
push the babies out of the nestand they kind of have to, like
people think, oh, why would theydo that?
But it's the only way that theylearn how to to fly fly by
themselves.
And I think that when we we dothe stuff we're meant to do in
this life, it inspires otherpeople to see that they can do
(31:58):
what they're meant to do as well.
And um, bonnie, you're veryknowledgeable on this and I I'm
going to try your products.
I think they sound fascinating.
I'm sure they're very good forso, so many things.
I'd be intrigued to know whatare your future plans with all
this?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
yeah, so we have.
I have a number of products inthe works, some that I'm really
excited about um.
So I'm currently working on aproduct, um for breast health,
and so I've partnered with adoctor who does thermal imaging
of breast as for breast cancerprevention and monitoring, and
(32:39):
his one struggle is that, well,I can tell when somebody is at
high risk for breast cancer andI can make dietary and lifestyle
changes, but I don't have a aproduct that actually can reduce
their risk.
And so we are 90% through ourresearch and development, and in
(33:00):
the coming weeks here are goingto have our product finalized
and then it is going to go intothe testing phase with our
doctor to be tested on some ofhis patients just to check and
ensure that the product doeswhat it says it's going to do.
And so one of my biggest futuregoals is in the creation of a
(33:21):
topical that can help to reducethe risk of breast cancer, and
this is largely done because onthe thermal imaging, there's
signs of heat and stagnationthat is starting to build around
the breast tissue, and so ourtopical focus is on dispersing
and eliminating the heat aroundthe tissue and then to help to
(33:44):
improve the lymphatic flow sothat we have the removal of the
toxins around that breast tissueand our hope and our theory is
that this is going to help toreduce the risk of breast cancer
in some of these women.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That would be an amazing thing to do.
I've had family members who'vehad breast cancer so I know it's
such an impactful situation ondifferent people's lives and the
fact that you could dodevelopment of product that's
going to help with breast healthis absolutely, astoundingly
brilliant.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
And I would like to say is that if you know the kind
of I call it the marriagebetween kind of mainstream um
medicine and herbal medicine, Iread somewhere that or saw
somewhere that you think theycan work together if they learn
to Absolutely, and that's one ofthe biggest things that I
(34:42):
really work with my clients whocome into my clinic is that your
MD, your doctor, needs to beour biggest ally because we need
to work together, especiallywhen people come into my office
and they've been onpharmaceuticals and they're
really looking to reduce that oreliminate the pharmaceuticals
in their life and move tonatural products.
I cannot do that without thecooperation of your doctor.
(35:05):
But there is also a lot ofclinical studies and trials and
evidence that show that herbalmedicine can actually make
pharmaceutical drugs moreeffective and less harmful to
the body and that when they'reused in conjunction with each
other, they have significantbenefits.
And if we look at othercountries like China, china has
(35:26):
a huge, rich history of herbalmedicine.
Traditional Chinese medicinehas a far larger materia medica
than we have here in the UnitedStates.
They have I think it'ssomething like 600 different
medicinal plants that are intheir materia medica, versus
just a few hundred here in theUS that are grown.
(35:46):
And because China did not havethe money like we did in Western
medical industry, they had todevelop, for instance, cancer
protocols through their herbalmedicine treatments, and so in
China they have a very beautifulmarriage between herbal
medicine and their chemotherapyand radiation treatments, which
(36:08):
they use in conjunction witheach other, and they have a lot
of studies showing that whenherbal medicine is used with
cancer treatment, particularlychemotherapy for instance,
people won't lose their hair,their hair does not fall out,
that the herbs actually help toprotect the rest of the body,
and they have a lot of evidenceshowing that it is more
(36:29):
effective at the same time andthat they have less wasting
syndrome cachexia, which is acommon issue and is actually one
of the leading causes of deathin people who are going through
these treatments, because theyessentially waste away.
Their digestive system becomeswrecked, they're no longer able
to absorb nutrients from theirfood.
They lose their appetiteentirely.
(36:50):
There's a whole long laundrylist of things that people have
to endure when they're goingthrough these treatments, and so
my future vision here in the USand in every country across the
globe is that we would begin tointegrate some of these
protocols into our lives andinto our medical systems.
Here in the US, it isabsolutely illegal for me to put
(37:14):
somebody on an herbal protocolif they are going through any
type of cancer treatment with anoncologist.
It is illegal.
I cannot, I cannot recommend itto them, I can't tell them
about it, I can't do anythingfor them if they are being seen
by an oncologist, and it'sabsolutely detrimental to the
(37:35):
human being to restrict themfrom access to natural medicine
that would help to not only maketheir treatment more effective,
but would help to improve theirquality of life simultaneously.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Absolutely.
That makes me sad to hear thatthey don't have access to that.
I don't think it's the same.
Here in the UK you're allowedto um, so it's sad to hear that.
Do you think that's going tochange at all?
I hope.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I hope that it's going to change.
I think that it is somethingthat people want and until
people demand it.
But the other thing is too isawareness People even knowing
that these options exist?
Even if you're in a country inwhich you are allowed to be
taking these herbal medicinessimultaneously with your cancer
(38:23):
treatment, if you don't knowthat that option exists, how are
you ever going to request it?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So true, if you don't know, you're not going to know
it exists and you're not goingto be able to to have access to
that.
And some sometimes I think thewestern medicine what kind of
wants to keep people so thatthey don't know about it.
But I think, um, people likeyourself, who who's kind of
shining the lights light on itand I'm not saying that it's
(38:49):
it's wrong to take othermedicines, but it's more like
finding a kind of way to betogether and and a way to kind
of make it flow in that way.
So if I'm a listener and I wantto either like contact you see
about your website, stuff likethat, could you please enlighten
our listeners and how they cando that and what your website is
?
Thank you you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So I'll start by saying that I am a.
I have a love for unique andunusual names for things, and a
lot of my my names for mybusinesses are derived from
ancient Greek words that I havealtered to kind of fit my needs.
So you can find me.
One beautiful hub isbonniediercangelocom, and so
(39:32):
that's my name, without theapostrophe, and on there you'll
find links to every single oneof my business my clinical
practice, which is calledVeusebia, and that comes from
the ancient Greek word Eusebia,which means the sacred awe and
reverence for something, and soI loved that word and I look at
my clinical practice as a sacredawe and reverence for the
(39:54):
plants and the medicine theyprovide for us.
And then my topical product, myherbal product company, is
etherbalcom, and that's spelledwith an A-E, and you can find
links to all of those on mywebsite at
bonnieanddarkangelocom, and youcan also contact me through
there with any questions youmight have.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Oh, that's really helpful, bonnie, and we're
coming to the point.
Now we're coming to the end ofthe interview, but I always
think, because I'm the oneasking the questions, is there
something that you wish we hadcovered and you'd like to
express at this point?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
I think we did a beautiful job talking about the
topicals and touching on herbalmedicine, and there's one thing
that I always like to tellpeople about herbal medicine
it's not a one size fit all.
I hear it from a lot of womenlike oh, I tried black cohosh
for my menopausal symptoms andit didn't work.
It's not a blanket.
Everybody is different andherbal medicine is largely based
(40:48):
on energetics, which means likethey have hot and cold
properties to each herb.
They can be drying or they canbe moistening, and everybody's
body is different.
What you need and that one herbby itself is like a person
standing alone in a desert.
It's going to have a very hardtime surviving.
But when you have a properlyformulated herbal set that
(41:14):
includes four, five, even sevenor 10 different herbs, they have
a tendency to work better in asynergistic system and they can
support each other for their ownsurvival and they can support
each other's work.
You know we kind of have likethis kind of tier that we do in
herbal medicine.
Like you have a chief herb thatis for the main pattern, and
(41:35):
then a deputy and an assistantand an envoy, and all of these
people help to assist that chief, and so I really encourage
people who are interested inusing herbal medicine to seek
out an herbalist who iswell-trained and well-versed so
they can help to create aformula that is tailor-fit for
you.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Oh, that sounds very wise advice, bonnie.
Thank you, and I'm reallyhonoured to have you on the show
.
It wasn't subject matter that Iknew a lot about, but you've
enlightened me on that.
I'm definitely going to checkout your website.
Dear listeners, please staytuned, as the meditation
inspired by today's show.
But thank you once again,bonnie D'Arcangelo, for joining
(42:17):
us today from Michigan.
Thank you, bonnie.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Thank you, Jane, so much for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Top tips for the meditation is either sit nice
and cross-legged on the floorwith a nice straight back Always
nice to sit on a block or acushion.
Although that's not availablefor you, you sit in a chair with
the back nice and straight.
The important thing is you'renot slouching, and if you're
(42:44):
doing something that requiresyour concentration, all you need
to do is just pause this andyou can reconvene the meditation
at a time that is good for you.
If you're doing the meditation,let's begin.
So, without further ado, here'stoday's meditation, and I
thought we would do a meditationinspired by water.
So, dear listeners, as you closethe eyes, imagine that you are
(43:08):
surrounded by this floating poolof water in your imagination
and you hear the bubbles of thewater as it cascades gently, but
sometimes a bit more quickly,past you.
In this shallow but warm poolof water and this pool, you just
(43:29):
sit by and just listen to thesounds.
You listen to the moment.
You connect to all the energy,all the information that the
water, as much as the mind triesto go off into different places
(44:04):
.
Let thoughts be there, but justbring it back to this water and
all you can do is you cancontinue breathing calmly and
deeply for the next few minutes,listening to the water.
(44:38):
Keep going, you're doing greatand you're slowly now going to
look into this imaginary pool ofwater and just ask yourself
what reflection do I need to seeto progress me further in my
life?
It can be anything a place, aface, a word, but just your
(45:05):
personal journey.
What do you see?
And then you inhale, and youexhale slowly and softly through
the nostrils.
You come back into the moment,come back into the day, making a
note of what it was that yousaw in your mystical pool of
(45:26):
water.
So, as always, thank you forlistening.
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