WorldSBK Spanish Round, WCR, MotoGP Australia 2025 Round 19 Recap in S5 Ep 36

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome back to another edition of the Beef River Cool podcast.
My name is Rex 45, and tonight, man, we're going to have some
fun because it was a crazy race weekend between World Super Bike
and Moto GP. Before we dive into it, let's
bring in the guests for tonight.TJ, what's going on?
Man? Welcome to the show.
How you doing, man? Patriots won, so I know you

(00:20):
happy. Oh yeah, we're doing good.
I mean, it's still early or fiveand two, but you know, what can
I say besides that, racing was agreat weekend overall.
It's a little bittersweet though, I must say.
You know, more America is done now.
We're a super bike is done. So it's just Moto GP.

(00:42):
We're looking forward to all ourchampions are crowned, you know,
so like it's just now we're looking forward to just see what
please riders can put on the show for the last couple of
races so. No doubt.
Well, I'm looking forward to hearing what you got to say
about World Super Bike and Moto GP because I know that it was

(01:02):
fun for me to watch. Let's bring in Luis Ortega, the
dumbest guy. I mean, I think you were making
it rain Louis this weekend. How you doing?
I'll tell you what man, all my, a lot of my pigs earned me some
cash. You know, I, I went online, I

(01:23):
posted a little bit of money here and there, UFC as well as
motorcycle racing and and I, I did pretty well this weekend
all. Right, That's what's up, man,
That's what's up and all is well.
Moto GP was entertaining, World Spike was entertaining and you
made some cash. So it doesn't get better than
that for sure. We got a three P tonight, but

(01:44):
we're going to hold it down and have some fun on the show called
Be Forever Cool. So fellas, as I can get my my,
my, my situation to work, which is unfortunate, but now I think
I got it figured out. Look at that technology.
Got to love it. I feel bad for AWS because they

(02:05):
sure slow down. They down they down you.
Know talk about, you know, one point of failure, but not on
this show. What's going on fellas?
I don't even know where to startbecause it it, you know, world
super bike was huge down to the last race, some controversy in
there, a little bit of Rossi askMark Marquez in the Super Bowl

(02:29):
race a world super bike. So I I don't even know where to
begin. But I guess let's bring in there
because Top Rock is going to be coming over to Moto GP.
What a way to go out. I think Bulgu should
automatically go to Moto GP withhim because next year I think he
might fall asleep in first place.

(02:51):
So what are your thoughts TJ on world super bike what top rock
has done got a three peat two different manufacturers BMWs
looking serious now before you start TJII want to I want to say
this because you know I'm sitting here like Rossi's over
here winning on a BMW and in in Indianapolis right, and I'm
sitting here Moto GBMW wants to come to Moto GP GP.

(03:14):
Can we see VR46 on a on a on a BMW Moto GP bike in 2027 or you
think they're going to stay withDucati?
Food for thought. What are your thoughts on what
top rack did? I mean, before I jump to top
rack, I've been saying we need another manufacturing in Moto
GPI mean I know some have disappeared for there are

(03:36):
reasons, but we need another manufacturing Moto GP stuff that
would be pretty cool to have BMWin there.
But yeah, top Rat's amazing man to have a Turkish rider just
pretty much dominate. You know, we don't really see
these type of riders often. And to have a third championship

(03:56):
to with BMW with his pretty impressive, you know, not see it
often, but just just class acting.
Yeah, it's just just just his effort.
And she still was breaking with the wheel, the wheel up in the
rear and just, I can just imagine just being passed by a

(04:19):
rider and then their wheels in the air.
I think that'll just I have target fixation and that would
just disrupt me, disrupt me a little bit.
So, you know, Top Rack has a game plan and it worked to
perfection. And I think he probably wanted
to put the clean sweep in for this weekend.

(04:40):
But Bulliger gave him a little get a little check, you know,
just to say, hey, you know, I don't give AF.
You know, I'm trying to win thistoo.
So he kind of little backed off a little bit and still make sure
you can bring it home because ifhe let it slip, he probably will
let the championship slip to do so.

(05:00):
Go ahead. But it was it was great to see,
it was overall good weekend performance from Top Rock and
and Buluga. No doubt, Louis, what are your
thoughts, man? I mean, pretty impressive, you
know, Top Rock just had to keep it upright.
It was a little controversial that little love tap that Buluga

(05:20):
gave Top Rock and and the BMW went down and he went down.
You know, we saw Bulliga say that's not how you know, it's
not, it's not one of his best race.
It's not the way he wants to win, you know, which is the
proper thing to say. But watching them all season, I
yeah, he's a stand up dude from what I can tell.
I don't know him personally, butfrom what I can tell.

(05:41):
What are your thoughts on on what Top Rock did you know 2
championships for BMW? Is this enough for BMW to, you
know, start to thump their chesta little bit or should they be
grateful because, you know, you know, it may be tough in the
future? I mean, on the BMW front, I

(06:02):
think they should be very grateful that they had the
opportunity to work with somebody with the talent like
Top Rack for the two years he was there, because there's been
a lot of other asses in that BMWand nobody's been able to win a
championship. So to win 2 back-to-back on a
bike that's never won before, that in itself tells you two
things. That BM WS come a long way, but

(06:22):
that they got the right rider onthe bike because there's been a
lot of riders on the BM WS. If you go back to all the years
that they've been in World SuperBike, you're talking X Moto GP
riders, X Moto GPX, Moto 2 Champions, X125CC Champions,
250CC Champions. There's been a lot of riders
that have been through the BMW wood chipper and they came out

(06:47):
on the other side, beat the fuckup.
They didn't come out champions. You know, Marco Melandry, you
know, the guy's super talented, Moto GP rider, champion in
multiple different classes, everything up.
He couldn't get the bite to win on a regular basis.
He couldn't bring a championship.
Scott Redding, he couldn't bringa championship.
I mean, again, it's a long list.BMWs been doing this for more

(07:08):
than a few years now. I mean, when they first came
out, we kind of made fun of themas like the new generation GSXR
because they were cheap. You can get a lot of horsepower
and everybody was buying them because you can get insurance
really cheap. Because insurance companies
didn't realize that BMWs 1000 was actually a sport bike, so
they were still insuring it as asport touring bike.

(07:29):
So everybody's getting 1000 because you can get full
coverage for a year for like 600bucks.
And then as soon as about 50,000of those things got total
insurance companies like wait a second, this this, this shit
ain't no touring bike. And the prices went up on
insurance, but I digress. This is a little side ramp from

(07:49):
BMW when they first launched to where they're at now.
And they are powerhouse. You know, in the leader bike
market, they are powerhouse and I'm glad that they finally got
this Monica off their back. But again, man, it was with top
rack and and he's not a he's notyour normal rider.
And I don't see anybody else in the paddock that's going to be
able to slip into his shoes on aBMW less any other bike and

(08:12):
compete with Bulgar because lookwhat Bulgar did this weekend,
man, he knew he had to show up and he had to win three races in
a row and he put in the work. I mean, that Super Bowl race
controversy aside, I mean, he put in the work, man.
He won the races he needed to win.
He had the Super Bowl, the SuperBowl issue again, man.

(08:34):
The way you look at things sometimes, you might say it's
dirty. You might say it's this, you
might say it's that. I mean, I love to bust on Ducati
guys. It's in the owner's manual.
If you're losing, fuck everybodyelse's race up because you're on
a Ducati and you can't win. That's that's that's a long time
ago kind of talk right there. I don't know man.
In this year, a lot of people had a Ducatis were like oh wait,

(08:55):
where's that old manual where I since I can't win, let me fuck
it up for everybody else. You know, you know, we can't
speak for what people do, Ducatis, that's all.
I'm just saying, you know, But Buliga.
Go ahead, Buliga did Buliga did his part.
Even if they didn't have that incident, like Bulaga

(09:16):
technically I think would have won all three races, man, even
without the incident, like I think he would have won all
three races and he would have walked away and and now he's
probably kicking himself in the ass because he was like, man,
that one incident cost me the championship.
I mean, there's a lot of things we were talking about before he
lost by 13 points, man, at the end of the day, you know how
many DNFS he had because his bike blew up or chain broke or

(09:38):
this happened or blah, blah, blah.
Like it's not like he was in theKitty litter all the time.
Like most of the times when he didn't finish on the podium or
in the top step, it was a mechanical issue or just top
rack was on that next level. Right, exactly.
I, I, yeah, I was going to bringthat up.
You know, does the does Ducati, you know, kind of owe Bulaga a

(10:00):
little bit of apology because, you know, if, if those things
didn't happen, you know, it, it could have been different.
And and you know, it's always going to be the very difficult
next year for riders, I believe,But we don't know what that
before are double sided swing arm is going to do yet.

(10:21):
So, you know, I I think they like it.
But TJ, what are your thoughts on, you know, you know, Bulgar's
misfortune as far as the bike issues as we were talking about
off here and stuff like that. You know you got sold to the
masses now. Yeah, I mean like every rider, I
feel like, you know, I mean mechanical, they they, you know,

(10:45):
you have your mistakes, both sides rider and your mechanics.
So I mean, I don't know going into everybody wants to be
perfect, but I feel like Bulgar was pretty much perfect all
season. Like he did what he had to do so
that, you know, mechanics I feellike had a few slip ups and

(11:07):
there. So I do think as a team, they
all owe each other an apology. Like, you know, at the same time
they all do it together. So you can't really put full
blame on the mechanics for just slipping up in there, you know,
for him just losing by 13 points, you know?
But at the end of the day, like,it just goes to show like how

(11:28):
much you know, you have to be onpoint with everything going into
every race weekend on both sides, you know?
Right now, let me and I'll I'll bring Lewis in.
Where you at? There you go.
What BMW is done because Top Rock had issues in the beginning

(11:50):
too. He was coming in there flipping
over tables in the beginning of the season as well on the 25
bike and stuff like that. From a team perspective, BMW got
2, Ducati has what they have, they got a gang.
As far as World Super Bike, was the team of BMW better or just
Top Rock was just able to ride around the problems of the BMW

(12:13):
because you know, Ducati, they both they struggled, the team
struggled and, and so did BMW, but obviously Top Rock came out
with the championship. So what are your thoughts on,
you know, the team as far as BMWversus Ducati and, and who was
able to recover better? Or is it just, again, like I
said, Top Rock just has the better, better feel on a bike

(12:35):
regardless of how that bike ride?
I think it's definitely Ducati because if you look at, just
look at what the standings are, who's number one BMW, who's
number 2 Ducati, who's number 3 Ducati, Where is, where is top
rack's teammate like #8? Yeah, something like that.

(12:56):
He's down there. Yeah, there's a lot of Ducati's
between top rack and the next BMW.
And not because there's not a lot of BMWs on the grid.
It's just top racks able to do something with that bike that
other guys haven't been able to do.
And it's going to be interestingto see, you know, when these new
guys come in to take top racks place and change the team up and

(13:17):
this new face that the team's going to have.
Let's see where BM WS at next year.
You know, I mean, maybe they canget something together and and
and still be good. But Ducati overall has the
better team and Ducati has overall the better package.
And anybody who thinks otherwiseis out of their mind.
And as far as having a conventional swing arm, that

(13:38):
makes Ducati more dangerous, notless dangerous.
Because guess what? You know who won like 5 or 6
super bike championships between2000 and 2008 when they had a
conventional swing arm? It's an Italian bike.
Oh yeah, 999. And 999 cleaned up a lot of
people's clock when everybody was like kind of writing off

(14:00):
Ducati because they went to thisweird looking bike with a
conventional swinger. I mean, what happened, man?
They started winning championship after championship
after championship after championship.
Neil Hodgson, Troy Bayless, these guys cleaned up between
2001 and 2008. So now you're going to put a
stronger motor with a better swing arm.
It's not a sexier swing arm. Like that's the one thing that

(14:22):
pure Ducati guys. Oh, you're losing the single
strided swing arm. You're getting the performance.
You're getting an incredible performance.
A conventional swing arm makes the bike so much more stable.
Gives you so much more. Power.
I don't know if I'm a fool, Ducati S or whatever, but I do
like the the the double sided swing arm.
It's sexy. I'm not.
Going to lie. Oh man, it's.

(14:43):
Sexy it sure. Is you're really sexy, but for
for for performance, conventional swing arm is going
to help you put that power down a lot better than the single
sided swing. Arm right, So do you think that
it will move on a little bit? Where else will bike and get
into Moto GP? What are what are your thoughts
on the celebration? It's tricky when you know, you

(15:05):
know, Bulaga won the last three races and and you did your best,
but you didn't win the last three years is what you thought
on Top Rock celebration? Is it the same when you don't
win, but you win the championship?
And, and again, you kind of alsogot to know like, look, if, if,
if these things didn't happen for Bulaga, you know, it would
have been different too. Yeah, I mean, like, you could

(15:28):
just see it in space. Like he wasn't satisfied.
I mean, he obviously did the best he can, but Top Rock had to
celebrate his championship. So I mean, he put on a little
show, which is pretty cool. I mean, at the end of the day,
it's for the fans at this point.So it was good for him to put on

(15:49):
a nice little Roland burnout andthen, you know, a little circle
burnout and all that good stuff.I don't know if you have to pay
fines for that, but I don't knowif it like her Beluga's feelings
or anything. But at the same time, he was
just celebrating and that had tobe done.
But you can see it in Beluga's face, like he really had no way

(16:13):
to celebrate his at this point. It was for the championship so.
I mean, I mean, how you, how yougoing to top that burnout that
top rock did right, you know? You can't top that, you know
you. Know you can't top that.
What are what are your thoughts Lewis on on the celebration?
And, you know, just, you know, I, I, I appreciate the theatrics

(16:40):
that these writers put into their celebration and stuff like
that, but I think they need the event planner.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly where he came up with
this celebration. I'm sure somebody likes Marvel
movies or something like that. But it was fun.

(17:01):
It was funny to to watch it and stuff like that.
It just shows a little bit of levity.
I mean, the the motorcycle season is a long time with a lot
of stress. So if you get a moment at to do
something fun or something funny, I mean take the
opportunity because there's not too many that come around when
you can kind of let off that steam.
As far as him celebrating, I mean, if you finish 10th place

(17:24):
and you still win the championship, you still win the
championship. You get to celebrate because you
still put in the work for the entire year.
And all right, let's say he tried to win the race and then
he crashed. We'd be here talking shit about,
Oh is it dumb ass should have just settled for 10th place.
Settle for 10th place. Do what you got to do to win the
big picture. Don't worry about the little
picture because you're in the last race of the year.

(17:45):
You don't need to win it. If they tell you look, all you
need to do is come in 10th or better.
I'll go for 3rd, 4th, 5th. I'll even drop all the way back
to 8th if I had to. I don't know if I dropped to
10th because now it's getting sketchy, but but you know, I
wouldn't, I wouldn't do anythingrisky.
And then after what happened, the Super Bowl race, even that

(18:06):
I'm probably was wearing in his mind a little bit, he's like,
you know what, let me stay away from this guy because he's
riding at a different level. Not that he's doing it
intentionally, but it already happened once.
If I put myself in that positionagain, it might happen again.
So let me stay away from him. Let me stay away from this other
guy that I already know is kind of an idiot.
You know, like you're that last race when you're in that

(18:26):
position, you're thinking about a lot more than just corner to
corner. Like you got to be very
strategic and stay away from thepeople that you know don't meet.
You don't, don't, aren't there to help you and might be there
to harm you. Right.
And you know, he's not going to be there next year.
So it is, it is a fitting way. I, I take it back.
I, he doesn't need an event planner.

(18:48):
I, I realized like at the racetrack, this kind of thing
that happened all the time. There's just not on national TV.
But no, it was, it was, it's a good way for him.
Like I I'd said last week, whether Buluga wins or top
ranked wins, I'm happy for both of them.
But Bulu got now come into Moto GP as the reigning world super

(19:09):
bike champion. At least that puts some kind of
up there with like that Ben Spies.
Because I think the last guy whoactually did this was Ben Spies.
Top rack you mean? Well, top rack going to Moto GP.
Yeah, it it, it puts him in thatrare air with Ben Spies, the
last World super bike champion that went to Moto GP.
Right and. Ben Spies was able to get a

(19:29):
couple of WS. He was, I mean, I, you know, for
the for him, I mean, he was staying healthy, right?
I mean, that's, that's that's the issue.
You know, I think if he, if he was healthier, I was able to
stay healthy or recover, I should say better.
It would it would have been different.
He would, he would have had definitely more wins.

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What are your thoughts, guys? As far as next season?
I think Honda, you know, Honda should have kept Ika, Luku, Ono
and Chabi. Because those guys were, they
were making progress, they were in it, they could get in the top
five. And, and I think, you know,
starting with two new riders, not to say that, you know, these

(20:11):
guys can't come up to speed veryquickly.
I don't understand the, the, the, the thinking and what
Honda's done. It's great for Ducati.
It's great for Yamaha because they got 2 experienced guys as
far as in Moto 2, Moto GP and on, on different manufacturers
coming over to their team. So, you know, I, I think it's a

(20:33):
win win for those manufacturers.But what are your thoughts on
what Honda is doing by getting these two new young guys from
Moto 2 in Moto GP because some cat was a Moto GP rider?
I mean, the expectations must bereally high.
I mean, hopefully it's about theinterior, like inside the

(20:54):
paddock as opposed to, you know,putting out on the track because
I mean, you, you, I think you always want to keep someone with
experience around, you know, so to get rid of 22 riders that are
top ten, definitely it's hard tojust guarantee that you're going
to get 2 new riders just becauseof their experience.

(21:17):
That's just going to get you back on the same point.
So I don't know if it was just the camaraderie and interior
with like the team where they think these two new riders will
be better off as coaching and getting things done.
But I don't know, Honda always has something up they sleeve.
I'm sure they always can work something out and I think for

(21:41):
janitor that it would be much better suit for him going into
this situation too. So I'm excited to see what he
what he can pull out. I mean, I felt like he was just
going into the fire going into the GP and he's having such a
Goodyear in Moto 2. So if.
I'm Sam Cat. I want to stay in Moto GP.
Come on, I don't care. Well, him, him, him finishing

(22:01):
last place as Moto GP. No disrespect to Royal Super
Bike, but it's still a much better life if you're a Moto GP,
right? Real super bike rider.
No disrespect to these world super bike riders.
Lewis, what are your thoughts? Honda need to, to, to to cut to
save some money. I mean, what are we?
What are we talking here? No, they wanted to save some

(22:24):
money. Like this isn't the way to save
money. I mean, they should have kept at
least one of the two guys either.
If you look at the progression over the last couple of years
with the riders that they have now, they've shown incremental
increases in their performance, incremental.
And now this year they've actually been competitive on
more than a few occasions where they've been in the top six, top

(22:46):
five. I mean, they're really getting
to the front of the pack here. And it's like just as you're
getting to the front of the pack, you're going to get rid of
your riders. And it's like, yeah, the package
might be there, the bike might be there, but it's one or two
things. Are they tired of these small
incremental gains and they want to find somebody that can do
those big leaps that these two other riders couldn't do?

(23:09):
Or, you know, is there somethingwith these two riders that
didn't gel with the team where they just want to kind of like
clean house and start over with some fresh riders and some new
ideas? Because again, they're, they're
tied to this slow incremental. They they believe they have a
package that could do a bigger leap and maybe they've kind of
maxed out the potential with theriders that they have.
No, man, I mean that doesn't sound right.

(23:32):
Because that doesn't sound rightwhen you look on paper who they
riders, their app and where they're going.
Like they're not going to Moto 3, you know, they're moving on
to other bigger factory bikes. Yeah, they didn't go to, no
disrespect to BSV, but they didn't go Scott Redding way.
Yeah. They didn't get Scott Redding.
So again, you know, you never know what's going on behind the

(23:52):
scenes. You don't know if it's a money
thing, you don't know if it's a management issue.
You don't know if it's a personality, personality clash
where maybe the riders aren't getting along with the team
manager or the director or this that.
Whatever the case is, Honda decided this direction we want
to go. We want to go with these two
guys from this other class. We want to bring them here and
we want to give them an opportunity to try to get the

(24:14):
Honda street bike back up to thefront of the grid.
And I hope it works out for Honda.
You know, I, I truly do because I do want to see them.
I want to see them on the podiumon a regular basis again.
Man, you know, I'm, I'm a old school Honda guy.
One of my first bikes ever was like a brand new Honda.
Like my first brand new bike that actually went to a
dealership and bought was a Honda.

(24:36):
Everything before that was used second hand, third hand, fifth
hand, eighth hand sometimes camewithout keys.
I don't know where those came from, but.
But hey, got me on the track. But it got me on the track.
Before we move on to World SuperBike guys, the WCR concluded as

(24:59):
well. Maria Herrera won.
Unfortunately Anna Carrasco didn't race this year.
What are you guys thoughts on? I don't know how much of that
you guys got to catch up on Year2, the WCR, the championship,
what Yamaha is doing with their R7 and this class, you know?

(25:21):
What are your thoughts? Yeah, I actually didn't really
see much of it this year. I mean, I do feel like when they
first started, I think last year, the year before, it was
promoting much better and you know, like I was looking forward
to it. I kind of like sort of missed
out, which was so much racing going on of watching the ladies

(25:45):
ride. But for for them to be into it
with R7, I think it's still pretty cool, hopefully to
continue it. And just looking at Maria here,
I set an example, which is with her skill level, it's just it's
good for her to, you know, set this this step a stone for this

(26:06):
class. So it was good to see her to win
the championship. I'm sure it was.
I didn't see the race. So I just saw it was a good farm
race. But it's good to see that R7
running pretty well. OK, that's what's up.
No, it is. It's definitely great to see and
I hope it continues and I hope some, you know, we get some

(26:26):
other names from some of the other classes as far as females
to get into the the the class. What are your thoughts, Louis?
I know, I know. You want to know what it costs
I. Don't want to get cancelled?

(26:47):
Rex went black. I know what happened.
I mean, I like, I like the idea behind the class of giving
younger women the opportunity tokind of work their way into

(27:08):
racing and prove themselves on the same tracks where the men
are racing. But I'd like to see women from
this class move. Over.
And race with the men's class because, you know, I understand
having this class and having theopportunity to put a woman as a
champion. But when Anna Carrasco won her

(27:29):
championship in the men's class,like that to me is a
championship. Like you beat everybody.
You weren't the best of this small group.
You were the best of the best ofall the group.
And you know, I understand that.Again, last year when this first
came into effect, they were promoting this so much, they
were pushing it so hard. And it was actually really

(27:50):
exciting. Like we got some great racing.
Like it's really tight racing because when you're racing on
these smaller bikes, there's no breakaways.
You know, once in a while you get like 2 top riders that might
break away, but for the most part it felt almost like Moto 3
races where everything stayed pretty close.
And in this year it felt the same but they weren't promoting
it as much. Like I didn't see he's just just

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like TJ was saying. Like I didn't see as much
promotion this year. I didn't see as much lead up.
Like even during the World SuperBike broadcast, like they rarely
ever spoke about it. Like it felt like an
afterthought this year, whereas last year they really were
promoting it the right way. And, you know, I don't want some
of the women in this class that do have talent to get mitigated

(28:33):
to only this class. Like I want some of these women
to get the opportunity to race. Just just racing the class.
It's not a man's class. It's just a racing class.
You know, the same condition you're in.
You know, these men are in the same bike that you're on.
These men are on. And, and I don't believe in
motorcycle racing maybe at at the Super bike level where you

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do have to be physically strong to hold on to a 240 plus
horsepower motorcycle for 22 laps, but I don't believe that a
woman can't get into that condition either.
Right. So if you have the skills and
you are the championship, you know, this year, why don't you
get an opportunity, see if you can get opportunity to race in

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super sport or even race, you know, in the in the 400 class,
you know, take that next step. I don't want this to just be the
end of everybody. All these women's careers, you
know, like they they have to be able to leap from this to
something else. And there's no leap.
And in World Super Bike, the FIMDorna doesn't have that step to

(29:38):
take women that are winning in this class and help them get
into that next class. This is the same thing we talked
about when we're saying there's no Americans in Moto GP or Moto
2 or Moto 3. So, so do you think that there
should be Yeah. I mean, I know you said like,
you know, just, you know, they can move up to the men's class,
but do you think, you know, there should be, you know,
thousand CC bikes option for women as far as moving up or do

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you think that just? Race the class man.
Just race the class because it is the world stage.
I mean, outside of going to go outside of that class moving to
Moto GP it it doesn't get any bigger than that.
Or even some of these women get an opportunity to race in Moto
2. You know, somewhere, anywhere.
Like there has to be a platform where you can elevate from where

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you're at now to another class. Well, I mean, Anna, Anna's in,
in, in world super bike. She was signed to the factory
team in the Super sport class this year.
So, and we, we've seen her in Moto 3IN in Moto in, in the GP
class, but not Moto 2. So I, I, I see what you're
saying as far as getting there, but I mean, yeah, I suppose if,

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if there's a fast enough rider in, in, in the, in the WCR
class, I suspect the next optionwould be super sport and if
super sport can transition to Moto 2 and, or world super bike,
right? Yeah, I mean, that's the thing
for anything you do, you know, in basketball, you're you, you
might be in a, you know, a AA orAAA, but there's always a next

(31:15):
step to to keep moving your progression along as an athlete.
Like do you want to pay AAA for your whole life?
You don't want to play AAA for your whole life.
You want to keep at least a realathlete wants to keep pushing
themselves competing, competing with people that are a little
bit better than them, keep pushing their level of play.
And the same thing with motorcycle racing.
If you end up racing the same 15women for the next 5 years, this

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class will be dead because nobody wants to see the same 15
people racing each other all thetime, right?
That's what we have more of America for.
Yeah. And, and I do think that would
change because, you know, we seethe likes of Kayla and and some
of these other young ladies. I think that I think that
they're the future. Like we see these young, you
know, college female players moving into the WNBA now.

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I mean, I think they are the future.
The question is, do they think of it as the WNBA for them or do
they think like, OK, as far as Kayla, Kayla's like my I want to
go to, I want to go to Motor America World Super Bike, I mean
Motor America, the Super bike class and, and not go to the WCR
or the same thing in Asia or Australia or some of these other
countries where females are racing in middle classes.

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Yeah, I mean, she's she's got the right mindset because let's
say Motor America came out with the ladies racing class.
So Kayla will win every single race, hands down, because I
don't see any other woman in theUS that's on her level right
now. It's bill train race.
Bill train break and oil up the.Track but that I don't want to.

(32:45):
We have to say that class existsbecause it does so.
I guess, but all right, take anyof those women for bill train
race and put them on AV2. Same exact bike that Kayla has.
She wept the she wept the streetwith them, man.
Like she has her her mindset is I don't want to race against a

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gender. I want to race in a class of
bikes. I don't want I don't want to be
minimalized or marginalized to only racing women.
I'm not here to race women. I'm here to race the best and
when I win and I beat somebody, I want to be the best.
I don't want to. I don't want because I don't
want somebody to come up to me one day and be like, you're the
best female rider racing againstother females.

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She just wants to say, hey, you're the best rider, period.
So, OK, I see what you're saying.
So we need we just need more female writers like Kayla Yeah
and then and then the WCR would be would be dope will not let's
say it's not dope now, but the level of competition would be
higher because we are seeing what she's doing in in in super

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sport class in motor America. So we we, you know, and I.
Don't want these women that are in this class relegated to only
being in this class. Like I don't want other teams
and other managers and other squads looking at them and not
seeing them as an option, a viable option to go to super
sport or to go to another class.Because if they can do this in
this class, they should get the opportunity to do this in

(34:11):
another class. Because guess what?
If this was all 15 to 18 year old guys doing this Moto, World
Super Bike or World Super Sport teams will be looking at them as
a next possible replacement for somebody on my squad.
Right. I, I see what you're saying.
I yeah, and and, and, and I willmove on.
But I'll say this, I think once the level of competition as far

(34:35):
as the WCR gets to the equivalent, the right.
And, and I no disrespect to any of those riders, because I think
Maria, Maria and a few of the, the Sanchez and, and a few the
top ones, they, they, they're savages.
But the, for the, the bulk of the riders, they need to get
their level up to where Maria, Kayla, Sanchez and, and, and

(34:57):
those likes to, to really, you know, open the doors.
Like we see they have opportunities because Maria's
been racing in the European Championship, been racing in
motor E granting motor E is doneat the end this year.
But nonetheless, they had this. They had enough skills to to be
able to reach further. And, and a class like this at
least gives women an opportunityto get to at least strive for

(35:20):
that first run. You know, let me reach this
first rung. If I can get to this first rung,
then I could reach the next rung.
Because before, I mean, the rungwas kind of put out of their
hands. You know, we were only looking
for men. We only want men.
Now that women have an opportunity to display their
skills. Like this is where you display
your skills, but this isn't yourhome.

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This is just another step. And that's the way you got to
look at it. This is another step in my
journey to where I really want to end up.
OK, I I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I see you.
We're going to move from there. Let's get into Moto Gpi agree
with you though on that. And and you know, the future
looks bright. Speaking of future Raul

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Fernandez. Send me your money.
Who's who's sending money? I think I was rooting for him
all year. But I said this weekend, go
young. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, that's, that's abroad general statement there.
So we'll give you that. No, I said names.
I gave names. I said Acosta, Aldeguer,

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Fernandez. Yeah, and I think I agreed with
that. Those are all names that I
believe cuz, you know, and then they've been, you know, we're
not, we're not just, you know, flipping a coin.
We've been seeing their progression over the whole
season. And as we said, you know, Bez
had his three lap panel, his twolap penalty mark is out,

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Martinez out Pedro. I mean, Pedro Peco is
struggling. He's you know, he's, he's the
dude disguised as the dude playing the dude.
It's tough for him right now. And I feel for him because, you
know, as races at any level and I haven't, I haven't made it to

(37:07):
Moto GP yet. So I, I know what the struggle
is like. So it doesn't feel good at any
level when you're, when you're acompetitive person and you have
to go through it. And we got and, and you know,
Fernandez has been, was going through it.
He struggled and, and, and, you know, Smitty and some of these
guys said they shouldn't be, he shouldn't be a Moto GP.
And, and so to see Fernandez take advantage of Bazecki's

(37:33):
misfortunes, what are your thoughts on that?
And you know, also just to how, how pissed is Acosta?
Because here's another young dude that got a a Moto GP win
before me. Well, I mean, first of all, what
Acosta, if you keep putting out that energy, these are results

(37:54):
you're going to get. He needs to be more like Pekko,
maybe just relaxed and, you know, more thoughtful and the
positive, you know, like his past results and how angry he
shows is just that's the energy you're going to get.
And I don't care. I mean, Raul definitely been

(38:17):
putting in his work. He's definitely a good writer.
If I don't see him on a podium again for a while, I mean, I'm
still satisfied, you know, because just what Apprai's been
doing this year, it just proves the show that they have the
right writer also where they canstill get the results.
And it's good to see Track Houseand American Team finally get AW

(38:39):
out there. But it's good to see Raul, you
know, stay in front and had the potential to win both races and
put hats off to the Zeki. That guy wrote his ass off.
I mean, the fact that he could just show that he's better than
everybody out there right now isis also a good thing to see.

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But to see Raul up there was wasnice.
No doubt what your thoughts, Lewis on how Raul did Dainese.
You know it it it's it's it's a good look either way.
Bez is on that as well. And who is who is number 2 now?
Oh, Acosta. He's he's he's out.
He's the other brand. The race port is good.

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Did you Fernandez, Ambazecki, all shining in their their shiny
axial boots. Exactly.
Rounded down to nothing because they wore through the soles.
You know, it's tough, it's tough, tough life.
What are your thoughts on and Fernandez this you know, I, I

(39:49):
can only imagine like I was justsaying like the struggle of
anything in life and to to get something like this and it
wasn't yeah, OK, Bez had the, you know, the penalties, but who
knows, right? Cuz Raul was riding
unbelievable. It's very surprising on one hand
to see how he's doing and cuz it's one thing to to take the

(40:10):
lead. That's another thing to finish
and win. What are your thoughts?
Yeah, no, I mean, he did a he did an incredible Sprint race.
So it wasn't just a, you know, one off loop.
Like he had a really good Sprintrace, great result in the Sprint
race coming in second. And then Bizecki having those
penalties definitely, you know, helped him out.
But he still had to, you know, circle the track 20 plus times

(40:33):
at the front of the lead and andhold it there.
And it's a long way that he's come because we spoke about it.
You know, when he came to Moto GP, he came in with a, with a,
you know, kind of a little S on his chest, like I'm the next big
thing, you know, stand back, here comes Raul Fernandez, blah,
blah, blah, blah. And then he just just, you know,

(40:59):
struggled, couldn't finish the bike.
A lot of crashes, you know, couple of injuries, this and
that just couldn't really wrap himself around.
It was out of a job, you know, KTM moved on.
He was, he was able to pick, getpicked up by track house, the
American team with no Americans.Yeah, Anyway.
We got a trophy though. We got a trophy.

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Maybe they'll let an American hold it at some point.
And then, you know, this year hestarted out slow again this
year, like it took him some timeto get adapted to the Aprilia.
But all this comes back to what we spoke about before.
Is this the fact that Bazecki's been the leading or guiding
light at Aprilia? Because if a Martine was the

(41:45):
guiding light at Aprilia, how much of the knowledge do you
think would trickle down to Bazecki and to the to the other
teams? Is it because Bazecki's in that
position and he's a little bit less self-conscious about who he
is, that more information is trickling down the bites getting
developed in a different way? The, you know, Bazecki's riding

(42:07):
style is the typical Moto GP riding style.
It's not anything unique. Bazecki's not dragging shoulder,
you know, like Martine does. Like it's a little bit more of
that common riding style, not the over extreme riding style.
So they built the bike to help Bazecki, and it just happens to
be that that same bike also helps Fernandez.

(42:28):
Yeah. Well, overall I think it's
helping Aprilia to build a more well balanced bike than try to
build a bike specifically to tryto make Martine look like a
superhero. Yeah.
No, I, I think that you're right.
And, and, and we were talking about it earlier.
It, it has to do it best. And, and I don't think that if,

(42:48):
if Martine, Martine was healthy,it might have been a different
look for a period this year overall, because there's no
guarantee that Martine would have been able to to develop the
bike the way it's been developed.
And Bez has been on the record to give Valley credit for
Valentina Rossi credit for coming into Aprilia and spending

(43:11):
Evelyn to help them sort the bike out.
So that's pretty impressive where you're the owner of a
Ducati team and you know, you got this Friday that you'll
sacrifice information for to help get better.
So it might have been different.So I, I earlier has, I mean, I
think the whole Aprilia squad and I will, I'll throw it to

(43:31):
Troy to talk about this a littlebit.
I think the whole Aprilia squad is different because Martine
isn't there and next year is going to be different because
how, how, how can he take over that team again?
I mean, he never had it because he crashed out, so how can he
get it? Well, after what Raul has done
and Bez has been doing. I mean, so like, you know, if

(43:56):
you, if you look at his like NBAplayers, like Martinez, like the
superstar that gets you, like, you know what you really want
you, you want the, the the regular players that that won't
complain and get you through andstill will want to learn to
continue. What I would expect out of
Martine if he was a part of theirs for him and Bez doing

(44:19):
exactly what Bez is doing. And for them to, you know, as a
manufacturer, be top five or topten and and let it trickle down
faster opposed to like Lewis wassaying, developing around
Martine and him dragging shoulder and him making him look
good and then then lose the direction of where he wants to

(44:41):
go. So I think that's definitely the
perfect example because he's notcomplaining.
He's working hard and he's showing it.
And I really think it has to do with also him being competitive
and able to follow Mark for a lot of the time that he was out
there with Mark. And I think it showed him a lot

(45:03):
and what was needed. And since my team was around,
he's the only one to really get feedback from and it's all
positive. So I think he has a lot to do
with everything and it's definitely a better fit.
I think he's probably the numberone writer, I would say.
I, I, I I agree with that. Before we move on, has there

(45:24):
been a, has there been a better 2 long lot penalties than what
Bez did? The old man, he went fast in a
long lap than any of us would goin a normal lap.
I was actually worried that he was going to because, you know,
if you just clip the line at anypoint between the entrance of

(45:47):
the exit, you got to repeat the whole thing again.
And I guess he practiced multiple times throughout the
weekend doing this as fast as hecould, as fast as he could.
And I mean, the man, my man nailed it, man.
Like the first long lap, he lostthree positions and the second
long lap he only lost three positions and still finishing
third. I mean, you added approximately

(46:10):
3 1/2 seconds to your overall lap time and you still finished
third. Like that's, that's impressive,
man. Yeah, and I wouldn't even say he
lost three because he was in first and he fell back.
Yeah, he fell back to 3rd and hefell back to six, so he lost 5.
Five positions, yeah, so. Yeah.

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He's moving. What are your thoughts TJ on
that man? Pretty impressive.
Like I was saying like it's goodto see Raul win, but like Pezaki
was just showing that he was just better than everyone out
there since we didn't have, you know, all the top writers minus
Pekko when he was doing, but very impressive, you know, to

(46:53):
see someone to to complete double lung like penalties, let
alone just one and very cleanly.And I gave it to the the the
coaches and all that stuff. So they claim that very well.
The timing of it. I think I forget when you have

(47:14):
to complete both of them, but atleast the person I think you
have to complete the is it 3? After three you can start, I
thought. It was the five.
They don't count the they don't count the first lap, but at the
end of the first lap they'll send you the warning to your
bike and then you have 5 laps tocomplete it.
But once you start the first one, you can start the first one

(47:35):
on the 5th lap, you just have tocomplete the second one before
the 6th lap. Gotcha.
So he's, they, they trust me, man, I, I, I, I paid real close
attention like they planned thisout to perfection.
Get out front. You got 5 laps to try to get as
big a lead as you can. Burn through as much tire as you
have to see if you can get it upto close to 2 seconds, which he
did. He got it close to like 2 second

(47:57):
lead and then run the first longlap and then go out, run the lap
and come and run the second longlap.
And by that time the group should be pulled enough apart
that you probably end up back inlike 7th place and you can work
your way back through. Yeah, that's perfect.
Pretty, pretty, pretty impressive.
I brought it up last week. Yamaha.

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I mean, Quattro Arrow got pulled, you know, Jack was up
there. You know, I, I, I, I, you know,
if there was a time to think about getting a tattoo, it might
have crossed my mind. And quality.
You can do the races. You know, when you're that fast
for one lap or a couple of laps or five laps, that that has to

(48:44):
be frustrating, right? Because it's like, yo, one lap I
can, I'm better than every, every bike out here in Phillip
Island on a track that we're theslowest.
What are your thoughts on on Yamaha?
I mean, you can't feel bad, but you can't necessarily feel good
either, right? I mean, like, it's, it's like,

(49:08):
you know, like all these polls all year long has shown
absolutely nothing. Like, you know, I feel so bad.
For some watches. I, I feel bad for Kwara like to
to start off 1st and just to just watch riders go by you
every turn where you have to be cautious of how you lean in.

(49:29):
And it's just disappointing. Like one lap doesn't really it
means a lot, but like if if you get pole, you have to like at
least get top ten, top five at least.
Like and for Jack Miller being at home, I mean, he put on a

(49:51):
good show for the most part, butit's just that bike, you know,
it's just didn't have anything. And and I don't know if it was
the win, if they weren't ready for it.
It's just it's just pretty disappointing just to see what
they were actually able to show to get the poll but and then not

(50:13):
show anything, absolutely anything for the race.
So what are your thoughts? Look.
Wasn't a good look. Yamaha, I know you still got
your R6, so you ain't. I mean, you're not.
I mean, we, we, I've mentioned this so many times, man, Yamaha
is so good for that one flying lap.

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They just can't. You can't maintain that pace
over race distance. It's impossible to do qualifiers
every single lap. And the one thing that I will
say, there was a couple of timescoming down the straight that I
thought that Yamaha was going toget swallowed up and it didn't
get swallowed up. The motor was able to, you know,
not get beaten. But again, you have to keep this

(50:55):
incredible pace that you can't just do without.
You can't go an entire race without making a single mistake.
Even guys that look like they haven't made a single mistake,
they made a ton of mistakes, butthey able to cover them because,
but with Yamaha, you have to raise at such a high level to
get it to run that if you make that one mistake, you're in the
Kitty litter. You know, you're in the crash

(51:17):
truck, you, you know, in the ambulance, you know, you're
anywhere except on the track finishing and and you can't keep
going like that, man. You know, Yamaha's gotta, they
got to get this V4 to work the right way and they got to put
enough power where these guys don't have to ride out of their
skin to try to finish a race in the top five, in the top three.

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I mean, you know, Quadrara can do it.
You know, there's no doubt aboutit.
The dude has talent. He just needs a bike that can do
it lap after lap without him having to, you know, push
himself beyond the limits of reason.
You know, Jack Miller was doing great.
One mistake. That's it.
I know you know that that was a that was, I mean, I, I mean he

(52:00):
got fourth in the Sprint. He showed up and looked good.
But it is a tough struggle you and you feel for these rider.
Is Alec Lorenz back? He's not.
He's looking like he's he's kindof back.
Sideshow Bob's not back. He's he's, he's in the
neighborhood. He's circling the neighborhood.

(52:22):
The, the, the, I mean, I would love to see him back at the top
because I, I do, I like him as arider.
I think his riding style is so silky smooth and he's just like
a, he's got like this old schooltype of riding style where his
body's not super leaned over. He almost looked like he's in
the wrong body position, but he makes it work.
So I would like to see him back.But you know, he's kind of at

(52:45):
that point in his career where, you know, I see him married, I
see him with kids. I see this, I see that I see him
suffering through a lot of injuries and it's taking longer
for him to recover. And, you know, is that Father
Time kind of like, you know, tapping on the door was like,
look, man, you made your money. You know, you're getting close
to the end of this contract. Ride this contract out to the

(53:05):
end. And you know.
Go home World super bike. World super bike.
Let's go. He would at the honestly man, I
think he would do really well World Super Bike because his
riding style in World Super BikeI think would adapt really
easily. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so
too. I, I, it's, I mean, you know,
he's not the first rider that's been plagued with injuries and
have their their career suffer by it.

(53:26):
But it's the worst. I mean, it's, it's one thing
when you can lay it all out there and somebody's just better
than you when your body doesn't work and you know, your mind is
sharp. It like, like I feel for that
dude because out of all these guys, like I said already in
Moto 2, he was killing all theseguys in Moto 2.
Yep, Yep, he was, he was definitely schooling them all,

(53:46):
man. He was, you know, put him to the
task and just everything he's done, even in Moto GP, man,
thinking about the way he beat people on the Suzuki.
Yeah. You know, like.
On a Honda. Yeah, like, not just beat him,
but like, like, embarrassed him,you know, made the Suzuki take
corners. And everybody else is like, yo,
why are you over there? That bike shouldn't be there.

(54:08):
And he can still put the bike inplaces where people would never
expect. Like he could squeeze the bike
on the inside of a of a turn in a space big enough for a credit
card next to you. Look inside, show Bob's next to
you. Like, yo, how'd you get in
there, man? Like, you know, yeah.
I mean, I hope. I hope he continues to get
better, but again, man, I'm really worried about like, you

(54:29):
know, him being the twilight hiscareer and and you know, I don't
want to see him get carted away from the sport.
I'd rather him leave the sport with his head held high and he
did a lot for the sport. He made it.
You know, he made an impact. He left his name.
He's got his wins and everythingelse.
I don't think on Yamaha he's going to be able to do much
because if Quadaro can't do it on a Yamaha, I don't think

(54:51):
anybody can on a Yamaha. And even next year when top rat
comes to Yamaha, it's going to be a rude awakening.
You know, you're not on a great bike.
And as great as a rider you are,this is the this is the Creme de
la Creme. These are the top 1520 best
riders in the world. So it's not like you're going to
bring something that none of these guys have never seen.
Right. Yeah, No, I agree there.

(55:11):
I I think people lose sight of that when they see you in 14th
and 15th place. I mean, I'm going to give props
to somebody that none of us thought would even do shit this
weekend. Paulus, Barbara I.
Was just going to bring them up.I'm not going to bring them up
literally dude, I was just playing the first wrap up and
KTM because he got 10th and I believe 8th, 9th in the Sprint.

(55:33):
So you know, and he was in Q2. I mean, this is, this isn't.
You can't even say he's a part time writer because he's been
mostly doing TV. Yeah, he's an announcer.
You know and. Imagine Greg White going out and
finishing in 8th. Place.
In Super Bike maybe maybe Jason Bridmore, but Greg White pretty.

(55:54):
Pretty impressive. What are your thoughts on on
what he's done? You know, we've been, we've been
loving the power of Ducati. But I mean if KTM can figure out
the corner in an entire life it would be hard to beat.
Yeah, I mean, it is pretty impressive to see what Paul can
do for, you know, just jumping out here occasionally.

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You know, and the fact that, youknow, the last time we've really
seen him competitive is when like, he had a big accident and
he he basically wasn't the same sense.
And then, you know, you know, became a test rider.
But it's good to see him come back and be competitive and just

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put on a show because, like someof these riders need a a weapon,
you know, just looking for like,hey, Pole just passed me.
Like, I need to get my shit together.
But it's also good to see like he's out there trying to improve
KTM and their package and and toshow like, you know, certain
things that can be done. But yeah, for being going to an

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announcer and then coming out and still being top ten as an
accomplishment to himself and isgood to see our veteran out
there still doing doing it. Right.
I will correct you. He's not a test writer.
He's still a full time writer. He's just a filling guy.
So he's still getting that full time money.

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OK. Cool, he's mostly testing and
and he's waiting for somebody toget hurt and then he'll come in.
So that's why you see him in andI and I think he I mean, listen,
if you you know it, it's tricky because you know I, I like to
race. So I can't sit here and say if
you if you offer me the money inin part in part time, I'll

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probably still want to race, butit's not it's not bad if you can
have it. But he he took I mean, I, I
think he had to really like KTM enough to sit here and say, hey,
I'm not going to try to go somewhere else.
I'll fall back and let let let these young guys shine and if
you need me, I'll come in because you know more more you

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know, other people are going to be thinking about themselves and
want to ride and stuff like that.
And maybe gone to a satellite orbecause he could have gone to
the Ducati satellite teams back when when he left, one of them
would have picked him up for sure.
What are your thoughts, Louis onon what pole did and should
these? I don't want to bring up Ben
there but if he can do it like this, why?

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Why are not the full time ridersas far as being on the bike all
every every round not doing a better time and and not and
struggling because he made it look easy?
Yeah, no, in in one of the Spanish interviews that he did,
you know, he said that he, he doesn't mind doing this.
Like he actually enjoys doing this.
You know, if the situation was right and, and there was a

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factory ride available to him, he would give it a lot of
thought about coming back and being a full time rider because
he still keeps himself in shape.He still exercises, he still
trains on a regular basis. He does everything he needs to
do. And obviously the guy's in
shape. I mean, he stepped in, was able
to finish 9th and 10th against the 22, you know, greatest
riders right now in in the world.

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Yeah, he did better than his brother who just retired and
when and and and alleged. Alicia's testing parts for
Honda. Man he's lucky to just finish
the race without the bike blowing up man.
Like at least at least pole is on a legit race bike, you know,
like. Like.
And it's not A and it, and it's been doing well.
Like the KTM has had marginal improvements throughout the

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year. I mean, one, one place that
never has problems is power. You know, everybody says when it
comes to power is the fastest bike in the straight line at any
bike there is. And again, if they can tweak
these couple of things that you know, don't make it as stable on
the braking, don't make it as smooth in the turns, don't give
it as much grip coming out of the corner and doesn't tear up
as much tires. If they can fix 90% of the

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bikes, the other 10% is great. They're making it look easy.
Though I mean, that's their job,you're supposed to make it look
easy, but it's not. Do I want to see them back full
time? Not really.
Like I, you know, I think he's in the perfect.
I get paid to ride if I'm not riding, I get paid to

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commentate. I get like, I get paid to do so
many things. Why am I going to give up one
check for this other check? I keep all the checks.
There you go. No, exactly what are your
thoughts on Honda? I mean, Lucas, Luca Marini, you
know, I think he's close. I mean, I think if anybody's

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going to get a win on Honda, he might be the guy to do it first.
I mean, I, I think, I don't know, I think, I think Mia has
the, the Costa complex, even though Mia's older, they're just
doing a little bit too much and,and, and it's biting them.
And you know, and, and as you mentioned, Louis, it only takes

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one mistake to put you down. But Yuzarko crashing hard.
He's crashing violently. Not even hard.
He's crashing violently. It's, it's, it's, it's brutal to
see, But Luca looks good. Mia looks good.
Mia still crashing. But what are your thoughts on

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Honda and, and, and where they are?
Because, you know, sometimes yougot to go slower to go faster.
I mean, yeah, Honda's obviously been slowly improving and it's
been showing. I don't know what it what it is
with Zarko. Like like he's such a good
writer, but like he's the one that would will go find to see

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what's wrong while everyone goeswatches and just come back and
tell me, you know, like like he'll go hurt himself to figure
out the problem. And I don't understand.
And like mirror like it was given that he is like probably
going to crash in the weekend. Gastroenteritis or whatever over

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crashing as much as he was crashing because if he wasn't
crashing he was sick. But Luca has been looking very
solid ever since he came from that eight hour and and he's
basically the the focal point onwhat's what's what's going on
with Honda. I mean, I feel like they been
were, or like I heard they were tweaking the engine a little bit

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to get a little more power. So it seemed like the engines
were blowing up and stuff like that.
But overall that's like as a rider, like Luca has been the
best. He's getting solid results.
But yeah, they're, they're stillfiguring things out, you know?
DA Yamaha. I didn't.

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I wasn't trying to blow up that engine, Maverick.
You know, engines blow, man. Come on.
What are your thoughts, Lewis? I mean, I think Honda is is the
next bike to kind of step into that top echelon on a regular

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basis. Zarko started out the year
looking like he was going to be like the Honda Pilot to beat and
everything else. And I don't know exactly what
round it was, but man his suit sponsor must hate him right now
because they are deep into the repair budget for fixing his
suits at this point. Man because he is just torn up.

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At least I mean 2020 plus suits.Yeah, whatever round after he
won. So he won.
Then he followed the second place and and after the 2nd
place. That's when he started crashing
after that. Yeah, man.
I mean, I don't know what's going on.
I don't you know, I know that hemade a complaint that he's not
getting all the factory bits that he wanted, but I mean the

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factory is getting plenty bits back.
He's just bringing it back in a box.
Use all the bits for your bike because I'm crashing your shit
every weekend multiple times like it's getting bad, man.
It's not a you know, it's it's it's it's getting worse every
single time he goes out instead of getting better.
So I don't know what happened, you know, what the tweak is or

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something, but he's got a brush all this off and do a reset
before he really hurts himself. Because I mean, eventually these
crashes catch up to you. And you know, he's not a young,
you know, he's not a young Thundercat.
And it's going to start getting,you know, every morning he's
waking up, I'm sure he's gettingmore and more sore and it's
lasting longer and longer. And even, you know, you don't

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want to take too much Tylenol because then you end up with,
you know, what is it that you get from Tylenol?
You can't have babies, Yeah. You can't have babies.
So, but yeah, man, it's, it's, it's getting wild, man.
And, and Marini, we've said it abunch of times, man, ever since
he crashed at the endurance round, he came back a completely

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new rider, man. He healed up.
And now instead of being this overly aggressive guy that's
doing things and maybe pushing that little step, he's almost
taken in a tempered approach. And that tempered approach is
letting him slowly progress and see what he can do without again
putting it in the Kitty litter every weekend.
Who's boss? He's like I'm listening to the

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bike from now on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what? Instead of me telling the bike
what to do, I'm going to, I'm going to listen to the bike.
And if it tells me it can't do that, I won't do that.
I'll do something else because it doesn't like that.
But look at his results, man. Top ten, top ten, top ten, top
ten, top ten. Like he's reeling them off now
on a regular basis and he's really, the way it's going right

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now, he looks like he's going tobe that guy that starts getting
into that top four, top five on a regular basis.
And going into next year, he might be the the Honda guy on
the podium on a regular basis. He might be for sure.
And you know his mistakes, he's still keeping the bike upright.
He's just losing positions. I, you know, I mean they,
they're not passing him. He's making a mistake and then

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and then they're getting by. So it's like, you know, you're
going to have rounds where you make mistakes and you're going
to have rounds when you don't make mistakes.
So those rounds are going to come when, when he, when he get,
he puts it all together. And again, that, that VR46
Academy is so tight. You know, we're not telling any,
telling those guys anything theydon't already know.

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And, and they get, they're goingto figure it out.
So I'm looking forward to it. We got what, 3 rounds left for
the end of the season? I don't know how many of them is
going to have Martine or Marquezor Vinales.
Marquez is out for the season. He might as well he might as.
Well, according to Spanish media, he's out for the rest of
the season. Like he's not coming back this

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year at all. Yeah, it doesn't.
Why? Why come back?
Yep. And Martine, he might, the last
time I checked, he might make itback for the last round of the
season, but at that point is just to maybe test the bike the
the Monday after the the season ends.

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But even if he comes back, like what do you really expect
Martina do when he comes back? He's either going to crash or
he's not going to finish and he's not going to finish on the
podium. You know, he just hasn't had the
time on the bike and I don't know when he's going to have the
time on the bike. He's he's starting next year way
behind Bazecki. I mean, Bazecki just spent an
entire year riding the bike, developing the, I mean, in my

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eyes, he's even behind Fernandezat this point.
Fernandez has more laps on that bike and more knowledge of the
bike that he does. And, and we have to keep in
mind, Fernandez got the latest spec bike at Silverstone and he
started struggling even more there.
I know we we about to get out ofhere, but we haven't really
mentioned Ducati outside of saying where did Antonio finish?

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That's one. Thing I want to say about
Ducati. Ducati got the championship and
I think they have the constructors as well.
How important is it for Ducati to finish the season strong with
three rounds left? I mean, we know Mark is not
racing. I mean, I, you know, even if
Petco won three the last three rounds, I don't know if it's

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going to change much there, like, but how important is for
Ducati to be instead of, you know, one out one it, one it
well, two bikes in the top 6:00.We we used to have in six bikes
in the top 8. You know, you know, I'm not
saying it's time to flip over tables yet, but like, we didn't,

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none of us, we didn't expect this from Ducati.
Full of violent, no, the way things turned out, not.
At all. I mean, that's the first time
I've ever seen, you know, the factory.
Yeah, I I've seen Manuel, like shake his head or be so
disappointed or walk away. It was it was kind of
interesting. I mean, he reacts to everything,

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especially like the years back when Pekka was winning and stuff
like that. So I think it's very important
for him to finish on a high note.
More of the fact that if even ifthey have like a test rider or a
replacement where they can stillas a team be a top ten, you
know, or or so not just not having their best riders at

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their best, like Pekko and then Mark being out and just fall
apart. So I think it's very important
for them to finish the this the rest of the season strong so.
Yeah, I, I hope so. I agree.
I mean, it's, you know, Lewis, Imean the numbers that they add
up. Doing some numbers right now.

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These numbers don't add up I So if this was let's let's rewind
this. If this was 2024 and Pekko was
where he's at right now, Pekka would be looking for a job
because last year Enea Beth Senini lost his job, finished
the championship with 386 points.

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And I did not agree with that. I probably was protesting. 4th
place in the championship, 386 points.
Pekka has three races or three events left.
He's currently at 274 points, right?
He's 102 points behind where Bastianini was last year when

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Bastianini lost his seat. I mean, he got them double World
Championships. That's what's saving them.
Come on. Yeah.
In. Motorcycle racing in motorcycle
racing is the same. What have you done for me
lately? Well, like I hear you, I hear
you there, but you know, he, he gets a pass because he he gave
Ducati there all. Right, so he gets a pass this

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year. Yes, yes.
Here's your pass. Next year these same results.
His ass are looking for a job in27.
So no, I listen, man. I, I, I, I hope they work it
out. You know, I've been alright.
You know, I hope they work it out because I, I think, you
know, if Petco goes somewhere else, he'll probably do well

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somewhere else. The question is where you going
to go at the end of 2026 when you're going to start with a
new? Honda.
I mean, he could go to Honda, you know, he, no, he could.
I mean, Lucas there, you know what I'm saying?
You know. Everybody can't go to Honda.
Everybody. Back to VR46 VR 46 Honda again.
You know what I mean. So I I I hope they figure it

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out. For Ducati it's it's distressing
because last year Ducati was first, second and fourth in the
championship or first, second, third and 4th in the
championship, all right. This year that ain't the case,
man. And, and I don't know if Ducati
is alarmed by it because they did win the championship.
And at the end of the day, if you're the champion, you're the
champion. But this year, their first,

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second and 4th again, they they're missing out on 3rd.
You know, Aprelia has now snuck into that top three position and
I don't see Bazecki giving that spot up.
He's not going to catch Marquez.I mean, it's locked in.
The two brothers have locked in first and second in the
championship. No matter what happens from now
to the end of the year, it's going to be a Marquez 1-2.

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But you know, how far beyond Pekko does Bazecki get at this
point? Because Pekko is.
I mean he is just fallen apartment.
Yeah, yeah, he he it's it's bad.I mean, I'll TJ chime in before
we we get out of here. But it no, it's bad.
I mean, he's like he's it's almost I mean, I guess it's
mental. But the crashes now, I mean like

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if you're in 14 place and you'reif you're in last place and
you're crashing, like what are you watching?
What are you looking at? Looking at the trash man.
You know, I mean, just the fact that he's in the back of the
pack like that far back and thenstill crashing is more of like
he's looking for a savior somewhere somehow.

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Or he's trying to like prove like, hey, I'm trying to show
you all this is what's messed upand you're not listening.
Like he's not showing. No class act, no effort in my
eyes. I feel like he can.
I don't know. I mean he's explaining what's
going wrong. I feel like he has his glimpse
here and there. But you got to have more

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dignity. When you say I'm a two time
champion. Let me give him a all.
Let me. I mean, you don't want to get
hurt, but like, let me, I'll saytry to go back to the Majello
days, days when you actually kept up with mark a couple lats
and and, you know, show that I'll.
Say this in any sport, if your mind is not in it 100%, you're,

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you're going to be tense and a little bit of tense is not good
on a rigid bike already. And they they that's that.
So it it like once you're mentally, if you're riding
stiff, forget about it. You know what I mean?
Yeah, when when he went down, like it was kind of strange how
the Ducati kind of just went down in the corner, like the way

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he lost it. So that's like some questions to
ask, but it's just still like, you know, just knowing what he's
capable of. Sometimes you don't get, you
know, like when you get to that level, it's like you can't give
any excuses at certain. Points of time, yeah, No, I feel
that. I'll say this last thing, we'll
leave it at this Chantra outperform PEKKO in both races.

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Crazy if Chantra beats you that double world title.
Oh come on, don't do that. It's tarnished, man.
Come on, come on, come on. I don't, don't do don't do that.
Let's not listen. But it is, it is, it is pretty
bad. And you know, and you know, we
you know, we've seen other writers overcome it.

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We, we, we, we, we all yelled atDidjia.
And Didjia figured it out. You know what I'm saying?
We yelled at Raul. Raul is figuring it out, you
know, and you know, for, for Bagnaya, I mean, he was crashing
out on a 19 bike and a 18 bike and stuff like that, but he had
a really good run. And, you know, there's obstacles
in life, man, and this is one ofthem.
And it's, it's tough to watch. I mean, obviously it really is.

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It's tough for him to go throughit, but it's definitely tough to
watch because I, I think there'sthis much we don't know and I
don't know. I, I still put a lot of the
blame on Ducati because they, they'll, they kind of sit
letting them eat a lot of the crow.
And and you know, for a guy thatbrought you 2 titles, a little

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bit more outspoken would be niceand a little less smiling when
Mark win would be nice. They should they should
definitely speak up more for Petco, possibly just to take the
tension off of him, like to protect him a little bit.
Like I agree with you on that. It's kind of like just because
he's a two time champ, like he'snot doing well.

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The spotlight is on him and Mark, you know, and they're
battling because they're factoryriders and it's hard to take in.
We're all human and he's taking a lot.
You know, there's no one else really that can interfere like
Martinez out and you know there's no one else to take that
action. It's it's they're not really
protecting him to. Yeah, I thought, I thought some

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of some of us on the show is brutal.
The commentators lazy. Yo they, they, it's like yo, he
owe y'all money. They, they, they must be
listening to me because they, they let him go.
Oh. Dude.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's like watching his
footage of him crashing and and they commentating about him like

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he's serious, like not before his race, you know what I mean?
So like, you know. No, they, they, they, they
definitely, you know, they, theygiving it to him.
It's not an easy one for him. And nobody's letting him off off
the hook. So it's tough and you know, like
again, we'll see what happens next year because this year is
over. Anything else before we get out

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of here guys that you want to say?
No, no, that's it. Back, back next weekend,
another, you know, do we have any, any predictions is the last
thing I would say. Aprilia.
Aprilia Ducati. Pretty, pretty Ducati.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'll say back to the young boys again.
I want to see. I mean, I I see Bazeki back up
there, but it was good to see you pray back-to-back again.
And yeah, Ducati, it will be boring, but you know, Alex
Marquez is probably going to be in the mix, so.

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I think it's going to be Aprilia, Ducati, KTMI think
it'll be a good mix this this next race.
No, I can see that. I, you know, I, we, we obviously
we can always go on, but I, I, you know, the different man, the

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last few races at the rounds, the different manufacturers
mixing it up and stuff like that.
You know, for all, you know, I didn't have a problem with all
Ducati was winning. They still look competitive to
me, but it's nice when you see different colors in the top six
spots and they're dicing it up. So I hope next round, next

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round, if it's the young boys and they're doing what they're
doing as they should, it should be fun to watch as well because
they're definitely taking chances.
Sounds good man. Sounds good.
My name is Rex 45. It's the beef of a cool podcast.
You got TJ with two wheels and coffee.
You got the real Luis Ortega, the numbers guy.
Peace. Peace.

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These.