Dark Fantasy and Inked Legends with James Warf

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, hello, hello.
Welcome to another episode ofB2Z Podcast.
I'm Zach Batista here with myco-host, brandon May.
What's going on, guys?
And an extra awesome extraspecial guest Mr James Warf.
Yeah, what a guy Fucking, james.
Awesome extra special guest MrJames Warf yeah, woo.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Fucking.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Jim, Sound effects.
Sound effects we're coming toyou from your home.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you very much for openingthis up to us.
It's nice to have you, yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, yeah, we're in the lair right now.
It's definitely a treatcreation station, you know?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
yeah, it makes it my space makes it personal.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, I feel like, as we're developing the show, it's
important when we're dealingwith artists to kind of catch
them in their environment well,that's what I was telling zach.
I was like you're gonnaprobably get the best of me if
I'm in my own space, you knowyeah, you feel comfortable and
but you don't always get homes,you know, some of us don't even
have them.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
You, know, keep drawing.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
If you don't keep selling some more shit.
It's exciting to be here.
Jim has been tattooing for along time.
He's tattooed.
He did my stomach.
We worked together for a littlebit at Elizabeth street.
He's been referenced many timeson mike mccaskill's episode so,
uh, we're excited to bring youan individual.
Today's episode for me is aboutartistry and the embodiment of

(01:34):
artistry.
One's the one who's developedhis craft, um, in a way where it
exudes his to be his lifestyle.
You know it is his lifestyle.
So a lot of people do art andyou can't tell their pieces.
You know, if you go to a jim ordie show, there is a very

(01:58):
specific look and niche toeverything that he does.
It's not just oh, you know onething and then it looks this way
.
No, they're all developed byvampires and wizardry.
And you know he burns blood andcandles and you know it looks.
It just it's very, very deep.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
That's the nicest thing anybody's ever said.
Is that a poem?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
right so it's super important to me.
He's one of my favorite tattooartists.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I feel like I got to say that Awesome man, Thanks.
Just because I feel likerespect for me in artistry comes
from being able to develop yourown style and it has to exude
your internals.
You know, Jim is somebody whohe doesn't try, he just is.
You know what I mean and that'sa good way to be.

(02:42):
So here's Jim Walsh.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Everybody know what I mean, and that that's a good
way to be.
So here's jim off everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
How you doing, brother I'm good, thanks for all
those kind doors.
That's tight, yeah, man, youknow.
Uh, I think it's important tobe said yeah, that's nice man um
appreciate you you're.
You've been tattooing in theinland empire for how many years
?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
now 20, probably almost 24 years now.
Yeah, have you tattooed outsideof the inland empire yeah I've
done.
I've done a couple of guestspots like reno uh denver,
colorado springs, uh trying tothink where else?
Philadelphia, florida uh canada, some stuff, yeah, lots like

(03:18):
that, you know, yeah, who?
Apprenticed you jim uh well,brett, I don't know if I got
apprenticed technically.
You know, yeah, I just kind ofhad friends that were tattooers
and they kind of let me watchand teach me a lot of stuff I
was, I did that whole like youwant to be a tattooer, you go
get tattoos.
So I just would get tattoos frompeople that I knew and then I'd
just ask them stuff.
And then when they find out,they're like, oh, you're

(03:39):
interested in this, right?
And they were like, oh yeah,just they're like, just say that
because they already knew Idrew and stuff.
Yeah, so then they taught mestuff and then, uh, after that I
kind of was fucking aroundtattooing and then, uh, brian
kind of found me and threw outthree mutual friends and he kind
of like got rid of all the badhabits.
You know, brian's like good atso good at refining.

(03:59):
Have you been a lifelong artist?
Yeah, yeah, I think since I waslittle I was real little yeah,
do you remember your first formsof?
I can't remember.
I remember, uh, I think I'vebeen an artist since I remember,
dude but um, I remember I havea really early memory of going
to my grandma's house and mygrandma's boyfriend at the time

(04:19):
window painter, and he wouldlike he took me window painting
with him one time and he waslike painting, fucking, like you
know, snowscapes and trees andshit, and I remember him using
sponges.
And now as an adult I look backand I go that shit's pretty
easy, yeah you know, but as akid I was like that dude just
made a fucking forest it looksamazing.
He's like what the shit?
Yeah, I remember going hometelling my mom, like this is

(04:40):
great, I want to be a windowpainter, you know.
And then, uh, she said, fromthen on I just started doing
stuff.
But I think after we got backfrom that trip I went, uh,
because I got in big trouble,for, uh, I painted a bunch of
rocks.
Okay, I grabbed a bunch ofrocks and, uh, I painted them
all up and then I walked aroundthe neighborhood with a bag of
rocks I was selling to myneighbors.
Oh shit, yeah, my mom found outand she was like, dude, that's

(05:01):
embarrassing man like you gottago back.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
She didn't like that well she was.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
She was just like dude.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It looks like we're like like yeah, we're trying to
get some money, you know.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, so she had to walk around and like we walked
around and like explained andlike she, you know, I had to
offer like, oh, here's yourmoney back, here's your 50 cents
, or whatever.
And like, yeah, and they were,everybody was cool with it, but
I remember her being like she'slike crazy.
And then after that I was justdrawing freaking robots fighting
lizards and stuff.
It's tight.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
What age did you either want to get tattoos or
think that your art was going toend up as as tattoo art?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Dude, I don't know man.
I remember my dad has tattoosand I remember thinking they're
cool, oh yeah, yeah, and all ofhis friends had tattoos and
they're.
I remember thinking they weretight, you know, yeah, and like
uh.
So I remember just always likeliking them and wanting them.
I remember thinking they werecool and they and my parents had
a thing.
They're like all right, youturn 18.

(06:04):
Like my dad was like, like, I'mgonna take you, do the thing
first, and uh, yeah, and I thinkafter that it was just it.
And then when I turned 18 I wasI actually had 17 and I was
gonna move away from nevada andI was like, all right, I'm gonna
, I'm leaving.
So me and my friend went and Ihad a bass guitar and I freaking
sold it like another buddy andthen we took that money and I
went and got tattooed from somedude that just didn't ask

(06:25):
questions yeah, which city innevada did you?
Silver springs, silver springsjust right outside of reno okay,
yeah, you were born in reno Iwas born in fallon, which is
like another tiny town.
It's like a res town next to itlike a rodeo town yeah yeah,
cool, that's dope man.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, man.
Do you think that's inspiredsome of your art?
I think all of it.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I think because we grew up where
my house is at.
There's like no, there's stillto this day.
There's like a neighbor, likeacross, like the desert.
You can kind of see there's acouple houses that popped up
here and there, but it's stilllike just open desert forever
yeah, and stuff.
So like it's just like nothingwas out there.
You could have bonfires andshoot guns in the front yard and
stuff do you think that likesolitude helped you?
yeah, as an artist yeah, likeflex your imagination, you're

(07:12):
doing that stuff right, you knowespecially me and my friends
were all like getting into comicbooks and like all that stuff.
You know, we're like yeah,let's make some shit, let's make
a fort yeah, you know let climbthis mountain, dig holes and
stuff and do stuff like that.
And my parents uh, my mom was aschool teacher forever, so she
always had like there's artsupplies everywhere.
And then my dad is like justartistic dude, he would build

(07:34):
shit and he'd always like likehe'd build me a box car, you
know, like a soapbox car, yeah,but he'd always like there
always be something.
I'd come out and he'd be likepainted like a bobcat on it, you
know, or like he painted likesome crate, you know.
So it was something extrathere's always something extra
on it, like I had a dirt bikeand I'd come home and he'd like,
oh, I tuned your bike and thenI'd go out there and like

(07:55):
painted flames on the tank youknow, like he always did
something like cool to it, youknow so would you say, you got
your artistic uh genes from your, your father?

Speaker 3 (08:05):
yeah, okay, I think so.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah well, and my mom too, because, like I said
, I think, being a teacher, shealways just did stuff, just
constantly.
She was always like, and shewas a head start teacher on the
reservation, so like there'slike just a ton of artwork in
that culture anyways.
So she would be like, all right, I made like a treasure of a
map for my kids for a project inthe middle of the day.
So she's like made this wholetreasure map out of paper and

(08:27):
all that shit.
And then she'd be like they'restaining it with coffee.
And I would learn how you know,learn that she would do that.
And I was like, oh, that looksway cooler.
That's something I still thinkabout today.
I go like, oh yeah, if you juststain that thing with coffee,
it looks sick.
You know, yeah, it's old orsomething did your parents
support you like?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I see your pictures of your dad and he looks like a
big early biking biker dude.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, um, and I always askquestions like hey man, what's
your dad like?
You know what I mean becausejim's like the nicest guy.
I've never heard him sayanything bad about anybody, and
you see him with his dad.
I'm like man.
That dude looks like he wouldfucking start some shit.
You know, I think he's the sameas me.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, he's just chill , real, fun, real love gentle
giant super loving super fun.
Yeah, yeah, just a good timeguy yeah, that's good man so
when it came to growing up andyou developing your artistry?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
did you get a lot of support from your dad and your
mom?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
yeah, big time yeah, they were all about it.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Well, what, like?
What are the things that theywould do to support or drive
that hunger?

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I mean they would be like, just be like, oh, he's
into the, he's into drawing orsomething like that.
They're like, yeah, just paintthe side of the garage or
something.
Or you know my dad be like, oh,you want to do that.
And like, paint this freakingtank or something.
Or like my mom, you know my momwould be like she's new, I was
into drawing.
She'd be like, well, you gottime after school because I have
to wait for her to get off.
And she'd be like, just come inthe kids that are just hanging

(09:42):
out, just draw with them for awhile.
And she'd be all psyched aboutthat and then always buy me,
like you know, art suppliesevery, every year for whatever I
wanted.
It was always like around art,you know everything was always
like around art.
Give me a little easel for mybedroom or something.
It was always around that stuffand I was like trying to draw,
like I think at that time, whenI was little too, I I was like
I'm going to do comic books,like this is cool, you know,

(10:04):
like I want to draw comics andso like, yeah, it was just all
about comics and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Were you naturally talented from the beginning?
I know some people who get intono way.
No Okay, so you had to gothrough it.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
So I think just tracing or like redrawing I
remember redrawing robocop, agang drawing ninja turtles, a
ton, yeah uh did you ever comeup with any of your own comic
books?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
yeah, dude, I think I still have one it's like a
little kid brain too.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
It's like.
I think I saw it not too long.
It's in some of my stuff but Isaw it like I knew it's like
it's like a character but he'sgot like all the coolest powers
of every character that's aroundyou know like he, it's like,
it's like a character, but he'sgot like all the coolest powers
of every character that's around.
You know, like he's like.
He's like, damn, this dude'sgot like Wolverine's claws.
He's got a fucking spawns cape.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
He's got, like, you know, this fricking Magneto's
jacket or whatever you know likelike all the shadow or
something, because I've alwaysjust like I'm like a knight,
I've always been like a knightperson, like so, like yeah one
of the first stories, uh storiesI heard of you was when you
were at uh, inkaholics, yeah,and they said that you used to

(11:14):
go paint abandoned buildingslike monsters and creatures on
abandoned buildings in thedesert yeah, uh, what, what
inspired, that, and do you stilldo?

Speaker 4 (11:22):
that, uh, I did so near my parents out, like on
this there's a long dirt roadthat goes to my parents house
and there's like a wall I don'tknow what it's for.
There's just a wall standing inthe middle of the freaking
desert out there and it's like Idon't even know it's.
It's just a big wall and it'sjust leaning kind of.
It's been there for who knowshow long.
I don't know what it's therefor, but I'll go out there and
paint that thing like I'd gohome and visit and I go like, oh

(11:45):
, I'm gonna go paint the walland I go repaint it.
I kept doing it and I kept doingit and then I would paint.
You know, just running aroundrandomly, I'll just go paint
stuff yeah I wouldn't say I waslike a graffiti artist.
I was just like it'd be cool if, like, there was like this
weird thing.
People were like yeah, dude,there's like a weird monster
over by the fucking river bottomyou know, like something like
that some guy painted a freakingsnake lady yeah, it's cool to

(12:07):
see that's like when you'reknowledge.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Are any of those still up?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
uh, the one by my parents house is.
I painted this big like fatjackalope, yeah, and it's like
takes up the entire wall andit's like huge and every once in
a while, every once in a while,like someone, like one of my
cousins or something that'sgoing out to visit my family,
will send me a picture like it'sstill holding strong and I'm
like, oh shit that's pretty coolyeah, that's super cool
but it's like it's funny becauseyou drive and it's like nothing
but desert, but just you knowabout like half a football field

(12:34):
out in the middle of nowhere.
You just see this big ass, fatjagalope, I don't know, it's
like weird, like you're likewhat's that dude doing out there
, or like you know some weirdimagine, I guess all that stuff
is like you want to make a storyin your brain about it without
having anybody to tell you aboutit.
You're like damn, there's likea jackalope, you know yeah,

(12:56):
you're.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
You're an artist, uh, a tattooer.
Um, you paint watercolor, youdo oil.
Yeah, oh, what?
How do you decide?
Sometimes I'm like man, I don'twant to.
I'm going to stick to one thingbecause that's already enough.
You know what I mean.
Uh, what drives the oil?
What drives the watercolor?
What decides I?

Speaker 4 (13:16):
think oil is my favorite.
I think oil is the funnest forme.
For sure, it takes like a longtime you know and.
I think watercolor is just waymore like, more like immediate
satisfaction for ideas to getdown.
And so I think I think at one Idon't remember what it was, but
at one point I was like I gotto learn how to paint
watercolors Like they're justgood, they're fun, they're not
stressful, like I'm just goingto do it, you know, and so I

(13:38):
just focused on doing those.
I didn't oil paint for a longtime and then now it's kind of
like a weird balance where, likeI could do all like a
watercolor painting in like anight or two, you know, and an
oil painting will take me like aweek or two, yeah, yeah.
So it's like I don't know.
They just get different facetsto them.
It just depends what I'mworking on.
Some things I go, some things Igo like this is this shit's.
I got this weird picture in myhead.
It's too too crazy for likewatercolor you know, and then

(14:01):
the other way, the other thingsI'm like this thing will be
cooler if it's on, or it's onlike a.
It's not oil, it's likewatercolor.
You know it'll look moreillustrative, right, right okay,
yeah, let me move up, oh yeah,at the oil and ink show.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I really dug the big one, the one of the night, yeah
yeah, that was all.
The unicorn was really cool too.
Do you have a favorite piece inyour home?
Oh good, question man, becauseI, I, so I'm gonna post a bunch
of pictures, um, of this, thisartist's home, and it's.
It's everything you, you dreamedof, it's.

(14:35):
You got cool shit on the wallsall over the place.
You got retro shit, you gotbitch and bitch and vinyls um,
it's just what.
It's everything you would think, uh, in my, in my mind.
That's why I captured somephotos of that.
Thanks, man.
But if you have any favoritesfavorite, yeah I know, so I know
it's hard.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, I don't know, man, because I'm almost I mean,
I almost like immediately likedislike them when I'm done.
You know, I might like them forlike a week.
Yeah, I'll be like that thing'scool and then after that I like
I don't want to look at itanymore.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
What is that?
Is that?
Is it you think the nevercontent, or you just are on the
next thing?
I?

Speaker 4 (15:10):
almost think it's like I don't know if it's never
content.
I go like, oh, that's cool, butnow that it's done, it's kind
of like don't know man, I don'tknow what that is.
I almost think the the processof doing it is like the best
part of it all.
And then when it's done, it'skind of like, oh, that's, it's

(15:32):
like finishing a book.
You're like, oh, that was, I'mdone with that story for now.
You know, like that's cool,because I think while I'm work,
I'm like I like I'll obsessivelywork on something.
Like if I start something like,that's all I want to do until
it's done, like I gotta, I gottareach the finish.
I gotta like see through that,that idea, like you know and
like see it all, or just like avery unsatisfying feeling.
Yeah and uh, yeah.

(15:53):
So I mean there's pieces I like, like.
I still like that night one.
I think that's cool.
Oh yeah, yeah, I think that's afun one.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'm still happy with that, um looks like the unicorn,
one's cool you know your finishrate to like start to finish
rate on paintings like time was.
Uh, if you're gonna finish itat all, you know, do you
everything you start, do youfinish?

Speaker 4 (16:13):
yeah, usually yeah, at least you know that's kind of
rare, is it?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
yeah, even if I don't like it, I just get it to a
point where I'm like there it isyou know I've talked to other
artists and you know they'llstart something, they'll leave
it, they'll lose it and thenthey'll come back for a few
years.
The reason I ask that isbecause I've never seen you not
finish a piece that you started.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, and not to say that there hasn't been moments
in the middle of all of themwhere it's frustration and I go
like I think I won't work onthis thing anymore but I'll come
back.
You know, maybe I'm just likehitting like a weird block in it
, but I don't.
I think I finished everything,even if I don't like it, right
because I just gotta go I don'tknow.
You know, I never know like whatthe next turn is gonna do.
It's gonna like I might dosomething to it.

(16:52):
I'll be like, oh, just hi, dudeyou know, and then I'm like
re-energized on it, like that'scooler than I thought you know
what I?
mean like I think, like I don'tyou like mean obviously they
can't see it in here, but likethat, that Reaper dude riding
the dragon, yeah, Like thatthing had probably a lot of
moments where I was just likefuck, Like I think all the black
splatter stuff was started outas an accident and then I'm like

(17:12):
now I'm like that's like partof my favorite thing on there,
you know.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, a little Bob, was it Bob Ross?

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, happy mistakes and its whole thing now and now,
like you know, it's like it'sgot its whole, like I don't know
, it's just got life in it.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
that's kind of what I still enjoy when you're
developing an idea or a concept.
How long does that take you andwhere does that come from?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
uh, dude, either I have it like right away or it's
just like not nothing you know,so I gotta think it's usually
something sparks and I'll belike, oh, I gotta write that
down or draw it up or sketch itup real quick, you know do you
try and theme your your pieces,or is it just I've?
Tried that.
Yeah, I've tried to be on likea theme, but I think you just

(17:54):
get in a rhythm of like this iswhat I'm into right now, you
know like right now.
I'm all into like unicorns andbecause I think they're tight
and so that's just.
It just inherently makes atheme, I guess.
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't know, I don't knowif there's a theme, I just want
it like.
I guess the theme that I'd belike I was like, if you look at
it and it looks like I did it,like that's a cool theme.

(18:14):

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Like to me that's what I like.
Yeah, they tell a story and youalways have hide things in your

(18:38):
you know, you look at it andyou look at it 15 minutes later
you're like, oh shit, there's anaked chick right there and
she's like beautiful, you know,yeah, so I've always enjoyed
that, just yeah, because everytime you look at it, you'll see
something different, both of thethings hidden in there yes 100.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You, you've done a few uh album covers.
Yeah, you were.
You were telling me you'reshowing uh again.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I'll'll post those pictures for famous people Like
local metal stuff and hardcorestuff, like things that I like.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
It has to be music that I like.
Yeah, you did that jacket forYellow Wolf.
That shit was cool.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
That was a cool one.
That's pressure.
That was cool.
That was like a roundabout.
Someone asked me, you know, todo that for him.
That was cool.
Have you sold?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
any other, your other pieces?

Speaker 4 (19:31):
yeah, okay.
Yeah, there's a.
There's a bunch of bigpaintings that aren't in here
anymore that I got.
They're all sold and gone.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
it's kind of sad even though I don't want to stare at
them all the time.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
You know, like I kind of like that's my thing, you
know, and like, yeah, but I know, like I know where they're all
at and it's kind of tight thatthey're being, like they're
being cherished over there,where here I probably would have
just like tossed them in thestack in the back room.
You know what I mean, so that Ilike that better.
Is it like a piece of you?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
like, do you?
Do, you wish?

Speaker 4 (19:57):
that they go to a good home, yeah, for sure

Speaker 1 (19:59):
almost like yeah like something you'd have to give
away.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
They gotta be appreciated, you know, yeah,
there's a few like I've.
I've like given stuff away inlike random, like like um, like
charity things I'll give.
I'll be like I'll grab apainting.
I'll be like, all right, I'mjust going to give this to the
charity thing and I don't knowwhere it went, right, yeah, did

(20:22):
you go to art school?
I went to like a design schoolin Phoenix.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Okay, did that help out your career?
Did it teach you a lot?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I don't know, man.
You know, like I don't think itwas a great, a great experience
.
I mean I went to it and it waslike it was a, it was like a cat
.
It was a purpose for me to bein Phoenix, to be in that thing.
But I think I want to say Ithink I I mean I think I learned
a lot more from my time outsideof school with like a new group
of people and friends, and Ithink there's a lot of the
people that went to that schoolwere kind of similar to me where

(20:53):
they were like, you know, theywanted to be artists but and so
this seemed like the right wayto go.
And so while we were in theschool, getting like real kind
of down for ideas, um, outsideof it everybody was still doing
stuff.
Like a bunch of my friends werelike crazy graffiti stuff, a
bunch of them were just likemusicians and all this stuff,
you know.
Yeah, so I think I learned alot while I was there, but I

(21:15):
can't, I don't think I think inschool it was.
I just remember a teacher goinglike you're not here to be an
artist, you're here to makemoney.
And I was like eh, I remembercalling my parents and being
like listen to what this fuckingnerd said to me, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, where was the gap?
Describe Brian getting you oryou getting or you get or Brian
getting ahold of you.
Yeah, like was that after I wasafter school.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, so I had moved here to California and I hadn't
been here very long.
Ok, I had moved here and I justimmediately made a few friends
through like skateboarding andworking.
I worked next to Zach and inthe in the off the wall complex
and there was like a store downthe way that had a.
My buddy's wife at the timeworked there and he worked as a

(22:02):
piercer in that shop.
And then my buddy that was amusician that was in a band with
me, also worked in that shop asa piercer.
And so they were kind of likehey, dude, like you need people
like there's this guy, jim, weknow, and like this and that.
And so I went in there actuallyand I got tattooed, did that
thing.
I went in there, I got a tattoofrom a guy and then, um, you
know, just to kind of show alittle face time, and then I
started like they were likewe'll just keep coming with us,
and so I kept going and Ibrought like at one point brian

(22:24):
was like all right, I'm open tolike seeing what this guy's all
about, and so I he asked me tobring some drawings and I
brought some like probablyterrible drawings and he ripped
them apart.
But he was like, all right, wemight be able to work with
something you know, because hewas like you're right yeah oh,
okay, and he was like you'realready kind of fucking around
tattooing and like I don't wantthat to continue either.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know so he was tough on you.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, oh yeah, it was good, but a good
tough, you know.
Yeah, like all that stuff.
Now I look back and I go yeah,he was right.
You know, my waves were trashman, his flames were trash, all
this shit was trash.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
You know, looking at an old portfolio is very
humbling.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I was like man I thought that shit was tight.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
And it's like garbage worked.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
You know who'd you learn right in the beginning.
Who'd you learn the most from?

Speaker 4 (23:12):
probably from brian a bunch, uh.
And then there were guys like Istill had friends that were
tattooers in other places, likemy buddy damien tattooed in, uh,
um, orange county area and likewe were still talking, he
tattooed me a bunch and I likehis tattoos a lot.
And then we had this guy,groovy, that worked there.
It was like I was got realtight with and like he was a

(23:33):
fucking cool tat.
He was like an old, oldtattooer, but not even that old
he was, just seemed like he waslike he didn't want, he just
wanted to show up, do sometattoos.
He didn't want to draw outsideof the shop and go back to his
family.
He was kind of like a nascardude, but he was like he had
sleeves since he was like 14.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah you know, he was like a little, he was like.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
He was always like that's tight yeah we like, we
like bonded on a lot of likemetal music stuff, but he was
like ah, he's like, I'm not likea metal, I'm a death rocker
dude, yeah you know you made adelineation right there, but you
always see me doing like allthis, like see me do like too
much shit, you know being likeI'm a fucking purple on the
outside of this thing, and he'dbe like don't do that, dude.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
You know he'd be like .
He'd be like tricking it.
I'll do this whole and he would.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
He would be like I'm going to do this whole dragon
with just one thing of ink, yeah, and I'll just be like, damn,
there's like, there's some likesubtleties to this craft that
are tight, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, so, I learned a lot watching him.
Yeah, that's cool man I sawit's groovy, the picture with
the fireman, with the firemanokay, yeah, you go to elizabeth
street.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
You gonna ask about that picture like who's that?

Speaker 4 (24:41):
you know, it's like a school picture he's got like a
kid's fire hat on.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
It's a dope ass, dope ass picture.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, that's a good picture.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Do you have those pictures of Nordic Dave?
That's what I was just going toask you.
Oh, I have the gun one here.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, okay, so I definitely got to see that one.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
It was brain-basing, yeah, we were talking about it
at the art show.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah, For everyone that didn't get that story,
though, is can you summarizethat story?
Because of him I don't knowhe's got that picture has been
around town for a lot of yearsand so he's.
He was just getting recognizedall the time as this like big,
gnarly dude with like a bed ofgun.
He's basically you know it'shim sitting in a bedroom.
I think it's his bedroom it'snot, it's not like the tidiest

(25:23):
looking joint you know, but it'sgot like four-wheeled magazine
on the and fuck it.
And then there's about 30 gunslike rifles and everything like
everywhere and he's wearing likea coercer with no fucking shoes
on.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, you know, it's like a, it's all thing is like a
time, you know, yeah and yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
He said he would just get recognized all over town,
that thing.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
But then, there's not that many, it's like seven.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm trying to get recognized regardless.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
ZZ Top he got the big old beard.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, he's trying to play it off.
He just fits in.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
I'm over here bro, If your shit is past here and
super, super white and you got afucking white do-rag on.
I'm going to keep it pushing.
We don't need to have aconversation.
You're going to yell some shitat me.
Like fuck that guy.
I don't know him, but fuck himyeah he's a freaking giant man
yeah but, he's the sweetest guyever.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, super nice guy.
He's the sweetest guy ever.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's the part that you know.
People have probably tried tochop that tree down many of
times and he probably fuckstheir head up because he's like
very solid and a clear thinker.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
That dude just ducked into theroom like under the door, jam
like what right fuck?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
right, and he doesn't necessarily smile unless he
knows you too, I'd like I gotthat first too.
Yeah, you know, it's like man,I don't know this guy.
Yeah, that guy's tight Do.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I want to know this guy.
Yeah, I want to know this guy.
That dude's been gettingtattoos by me for a long time
and it's always been the same.
He's just a big gentle dude.
That's tight, you know, mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
As far as painting and watercolor and artist, uh,
and the finish and the varnish,yeah, thanks, man.
In the after effect, yeah, Ifeel like I get more of the
artists through oil painting.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
You know what I mean, because I think.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
So, man, yeah, I think so, um, you paint very
fast, uh, on watercolor, jim,jim used to.
I used to fucking be paintingwatercolor, pissed off.
I'm like jim, help me out.
He'd come over and just twominutes, bro, just just do like
that.
And I'd be like I would try itand it just wouldn't go down I
still try some of the styles anddevelop it, but it just doesn't

(27:41):
fit with my niche.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Your style is very loose, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, I
try to balance that out, becausesometimes I don't like how
loose it is either.
I go like, ok, I tighten thisup a little bit, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, how would you describe your tattooing style?
Because I asked Brandon I go.
What genre you know?
What style does he fit in?
He's like he fits in the in thegym style.
It's like there's.
There's no explaining it.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
We're like, where are those roots come from?
Yeah, dude, I don't even knowman because I couldn't.
I don't know, I meaneverything's traditional based.
I just like outlines and feel,you know, if it's got outlines,
I like it, I like stuff to beillustrated.
And then I get sometimes I getlike a real weirdo and I start
like doing weird details, likemy paintings, yeah you know, and
like uh, um, I don't even know,man, it's hard to say what
exactly it is, because because Ilike so much from every

(28:28):
different job, like I like somuch japanese stuff, I like so
much traditional stuff, I likethis.
You know, sometimes I'm like,oh, dude, that dude just painted
that whole skull yellow, likethat is tight.
You know, yeah, like weirdstuff.
How?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
do you feel about like psychedelic artists, stuff
like have you ever done apainting like on mushrooms, and
to see if there's a differentresult?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I think I think I weed and freaking painted before
, but not like that.
If I'm eating mushrooms, dude,I'm like I'm an adventure baby,
you know what I mean.
Paint and sit down for twoseconds.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Like you know, dude, I'm in a wetsuit, I'm freaking
in the street.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
You know I'm like trying to get my buddy, hey,
buddy.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
You have a pretty cool little buddy here, your dog
.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's thebest she goes everywhere.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, if I can, if I can take her, she goes with.
Yeah, I dig that.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, she's a jam right on one of the things
that really I enjoy is thatyou're in the motorcycles.
Yeah, you're in the motorcyclestoo.
He rides a chopper, you knowyou have an aesthetic about you.
Have you ever wore the shoes Ibought you, those fucking Nikes?
Yeah, dude, okay cool, yeah,hell.
Yeah, you know I was trying togift my boys all the time.

(29:39):
You know if I'm getting adiscount on a shit and I just
swear to God like I gave it tothem, I gave him a bootleg Bobby
Bonds jersey.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I said I got from the homies.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
That shit is tight, I'm like this is your shit,
Didn't ask for it.
I'm like yeah, this is you dog,this is you.
He's like all right.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
B.
It's because, you know, dude,you know, there was like I don't
know if Mike remembers, becausehe always kind of clowns me on
it, but it was like I wentthrough like a phase where I was
like, yeah, jerseys andheadbands, dude, I was like
that's fucking rock and roll,you know, like the nelly version
.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah early 2000s gym or what I guess.
So I don't know, I forget mymind.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I was like this is some like yeah, yeah, right as
you refine, as you get older,you know, within tattooing,
within art, um, do you feelyourself shifting?

Speaker 4 (30:36):
and yeah, also big time.
I just I think I want to do morestuff that I'm like I try to
get it to where I'm like, like Iwas saying, I don't like stuff
like that often, like I'm tryingto get more, do more stuff that
I'm like feels timeless to me,maybe, you know, and not just
like bullshit, because I thinkthe paintings that I don't like
a lot of times are stuff where Ijust did it, you know, for the

(30:57):
sake of painting and like goingthrough the motions.
So I'm like, all right, if I'mgonna sit down, I want to do
something that I'm like, oh yeah, I remember what I was doing at
that time and why it's like Ifelt that way, or whatever you
know, or what freaking crazyidea in my head.
This is all.
Most of the time, I meanforever.
Most of the time it's like I'mtrying to live it.
I try to build this like fantasyworld where, if you look at it,
you're just like.
You're like what fucking bookis that from?

(31:18):
Dude?
Or like what you know is thatthis, there's something, and I'm
like I don't know you, tell meyou know what I mean.
I don't want to describe it.
I want you to like, make it upin your own head, and so I want
to do stuff like that, where youcan look at, look at it and be
like, oh dude, I kind of havethis weird idea of where this
might be from and it's timelessand all that stuff you know
stuff that I'm kind of like I'mproud of.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Have you, have you gotten any inspirations from
anything you've read?
Or have you have you tried tomatch anything?
Cause I because I was a bigreader too growing up uh,
reading all the jr tolkien andeverybody in those fantasy
worlds you try to imagine it.
Did you ever get inspirationfrom that?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
yeah, man all that stuff.
Like I loved all that stuff.
I I never.
I was never like, uh, I mean, II appreciate like lord of the
rings and stuff like that, but Iliked, like some you know, cone
of the barbarian or like beastmaster, like mad max, like
they're like dirty but they havelike weapons and they have like
armor but they're like, youknow there's still like romance
and like shit like that, or likevampire stuff you know, like

(32:14):
this kind of gritty, like darkstuff that I think that's what
all like inspires, all of it,you know yeah this is like
imaginary world of like gritty,dark, like all that stuff.
I think that's really cool, yeahto me and you know like and I
don't want it to be fromanything specific, I just want
you to be like like that unicornI painted.
I don't think, you know, you'dbe like, damn, that's like,
maybe that's what thischaracter's fricking ride, or

(32:35):
something like that you know, orlike whatever you know, yeah,
yeah.
So I think like doing stufflike that to where it's like
purposeful, purposely done ideasthat I can look at and be like,
yeah, that's cool, you know, Imight look at that.
I'd be psyched if someonewanted to use that for something
, something like that.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
When you're developing these pieces with a
more detailed piece and you'rehiding these gems.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
You see me, guys.
You're hiding these gems inthere.
Is it what fills the space?
Is it what feels good?

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Or is it what develops?
I know what you're referring to.
Come on now, Just do what feelsgood.
Man Right.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Just do what feels good, what's your heart say,
baby.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I was going to pick up on that.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
That surprised me.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
How much that got under his skin.
That's my teaching method.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
I go just let it.
That's the answer.
Yeah, just, I go just let it.
That's the answer.
Yeah, they just do.
It feels good and you know what.
It works all the time wellmaybe not to hear it but for me
it works days where.
I'm just like yeah, that tattoois just that tattoo well, I go
like you know, if you're, if youlook at it and you're gonna do
something, and it feels good fora reason, it must be like
somewhat right to put in therebut from your point of view, do

(33:46):
you think, did you like that?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Did you like firing him up a little bit?
Do you think that drove hispassion?
It's like one of my favoritepassions?

Speaker 4 (33:52):
I think so too, Since we're here.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I was a little bit fucking worried, because you're
one of the people that couldstill fuck me up a little bit if
I don't know if you're seriousor if you're joking or whatever
the other day he called meskinny, and then I had called
him skinny the day before theother time and I was like, did
he just?
Fucking do that, because Ifucking told him he was skinny
fucking yeah and then he'llhe'll tell me his jokes and shit

(34:17):
like that.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Sometimes I'll get him and sometimes I won't, and I
want to laugh.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
But then he'll just laugh at mein the sweetest ways, in the
sweetest way that's the bestdude, but that's kind of what it
is that with these guys, zach,mike, jim, brian, depending on
what the fuck the mood is.
Man, you might not get astraight answer the whole
fucking day.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
It's so fun.
It is so fun to make fun ofyour friends though.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's like the best fucking thing it makes it go by
faster too, you know if there'sever like a warm, fuzzy feeling
in my stomach.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
it's when I'm like razzing on my buddy and I'm like
yes.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
That makes sense.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
And then you see, something there, like a twinge
in their eye, and they're likethis motherfucker just said that
shit and I'm like yeah that'sthe road I need to go down.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
This is good.
Keep on poking, yeah it worksout.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
You know, I've never heard you say anything bad, but
you definitely talk shit and youget away with it.
Mike's always talking about howhe gets fucking castrated for
the shit he says to his clients.
Yeah, and this fool could sayway worse shit and they're just
like oh, it's fucking jim.
You know, and I'm just like youknow some people, yeah, it only
works for some.

(35:27):
I can't do that shit.
I'll check me too, but he's gotthat thing and, ah, dude,
sometimes I feel like if, like,I don't know what just happened
right now like was he clowning,was he talking shit?

Speaker 4 (35:39):
like in a loving way.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
It's because I care right I'm like in my skinny cars
like do I need to lift a littlebit?
You slimmed up, it's good, dudehave you have you enjoyed?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean you've stayed here a long time.
You enjoyed working here themost.
Yeah, I mean I like this.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I like being around this area.
I think that's nice, you knowyou hella loyal yeah, I guess.
so I'm pretty good.
I mean it works, you know.
I mean it's nice to kind of goout and this is a nice base
right now for like being able togo to other places and tattoo
for a little bit.
And of course, other places Igo like I can make that work.
I can make that work, butsomething about that I don't
know.
There's just a lot of peoplehere that I care about.
It's fun to tattoo with yourfriends and, like you know, your

(36:19):
clients always become like kindof buddies too, and it's tight
because they let you the morethey.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
You like weird stuff.
I mean, you're kind of fuckingfamous around here too.
Though, bro, get out of here.
I'm just saying, in the tattooworld we live in, you could be
all humble all you want, buteverybody knows who the fuck you
are.
That's cool, yeah so riverside,need to give you a wall they
need to give you a wall so youcould get up.
Give a real mural riversidecounty.
You guys are slipping by nowman, man we might be able to get
this started.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I'm saying that's how it starts, because I'm petition
can we apply a little?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
pressure please.
You know, yeah, I see they'rebeautiful.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I love the murals that are going up, yeah big time
, but my, my guy, jim, over here, is good, he will offer you
something different and be ashowstopper, just let him do his
thing you like vikings?

Speaker 4 (37:16):
they're like why does that dragon have udders?
And I'm like I don't know, it'sso cool.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I'm like you painted it one in the morning, yeah,
yeah they're like.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
This wall's been making progress.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
We didn't ever see him, though how do you feel
about abstract art?

Speaker 4 (37:36):
I don't know man.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I thought that's probably something he doesn't
like.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I've never seen him be like oh, this is abstract,
everything is like.
No, that's a fucking that,that's that.
This is abstract.
Everything is like no, that's afucking that, that's a, that's
that you know what I mean, likethis is my interpretation of a
drop right.
You know what I mean I can't.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I don't know.
Sometimes I go like there'stimes where I get and I've seen
abstract art that I like, butthen there's times where I'm
like, yeah, you're just fuckingphoning it in dude, like there's
.
No, I just don't see any lifein a lot of that stuff.
You, you know where I'm justlike and maybe I'm just not
tapping into that part of theworld, but like of that art
stuff which is fine.
Um, I don't know if if, like apiece of art that someone's

(38:15):
doing doesn't have any, they'renot putting any life into it.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
I just go like eh, I feel like you can feel it, you
know like there's nothing in it.
You can, you know, don't justmake me no sober sandwich, no
pity sandwich.
I want some love sandwiches,toast and bread, ah shit Love
sandwich.
Yeah, Sorry bro.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I just had a big conversation with my bro about
this shit.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
You know, maybe I'm gay, you feel me.
Maybe it's a nigga over theremaking sandwiches guys, you feel
me.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
We finally did it.
Zach, you owe me 10 bucks.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I'm just kidding.
Who's to say that that's awoman making that sandwich?
God damn it.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
You ever get a sandwich made by one of your
buddies, dude.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
That's what the lover's doing.
You want to fucking hold handsthrough the mall dude.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Fuck man, I just got off a big conversation with my
bro and he's like like, hey, youkind of straddling the line a
little bit and I was like, ohyeah, I want to be better, but
I'm trying to be authentic.
You know, hey man, like let'sgo, come get me, bro, like I,
what you gonna take from me.
You know like don't pick it andall that shit, I don't careas,

(39:26):
gotta eat bro Brandon's hand ison my knee right now.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
We're trying to rewrite the narrative.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
A lot of people have been saying he's harsh, he comes
off real tough.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Right.
Welcome to season two of Loveis.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Sandwich.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't tell them that part Can we put it like a
man.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
We're going to have to push that a little bit.
We're definitely going to haveto mess with that one a little
bit.
I like it, but hey, you know, Ilove all the women out there.
Back to the art.
What were we just touching on?
We were talking about abstractart.
Oh, abstract art, yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, you know, I abstract art.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know if it's got if
there's feeling behind, I thinkyou could tell you know, yeah,
some cool stuff.
You have a favorite artist thatyou that does like abstract
stuff, no, or that just ingeneral.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
In general yeah dude, I think, um, I mean, for
frisetta for sure is one of myfavorite boris valeo's I think
it's incredible.
There's also, like tattooers,that I really love, love eccles
tattooing and paintings, uh, ofChris Khan's stuff, which I
think is a pretty across theboard Amazing.
Um, yeah, dude, there's so muchgood stuff, but I think those

(40:39):
are, you know what, the thingthat I commonality of all those
pieces, all those painters too,is all their pieces look like
they're from something yousomething you know from some
story or something, and it'stight.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Do you think there's a point where artists can study
too much?
The internet is full of placesthat you wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
You know, you see more art in one day than you
would see in a lifetime becauseof the internet.
Now you got to be careful howmuch you take in it and you got
to be careful, like what you putin your brain.
Yeah, I think.
I mean I don't know if youcould study too much, I just
think it's like how much do youlike take and apply as opposed
to just learning?
You know what I mean, becauseyou can take stuff and then you
just put yourself, you just kindof cut yourself off from a lot
of freedoms of stuff.
That's why, like, someone thathas never seen any art is making

(41:20):
something like that shit'scompletely original and probably
kind of interesting, you know,as opposed to someone that's
like just pulling from all thesefacets of things where they're
like this is how you're, they'relike this is how you're
supposed to do this, this is howyou're supposed to do this, and
you're like, ah, dude, you'rekind of fucking lot leaving room
for just like creativity ordoing something weird and wild
and like putting too many ruleson it.
Yeah, you put too many rules onit and you, you're you're which

(41:40):
is?
You know, I get it.
There's a.
Rules are important for a lotof like imagination part, like
just as important.
yeah, like do weird shit.
Who fucking cares?
Everybody wants boring artworkin their house if they're gonna
buy it.
Like, do something weird, it'scool.
So like, yeah, I think you can.
I think I don't know.
I like learning shit all thetime too, you know.

(42:01):
But uh, I know I'll read booksabout like techniques and stuff
like that too, but I gotta takethem with a grain of salt.
I go, you know what this islike a problem that I had, like
I can't figure out how to makethis color do this thing.
So like, I'll learn that andI'll probably learn some other
things.
Then I'll be like, well, ifthat color does that shit, what
if I just spread that shit overhere too, you know?
and then something weird happensand you're like, oh, that's

(42:22):
tight all right, right, yeah,yeah, do you.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
So you experiment through your paintings?
Yeah, and then if it works outin a painting, you bring it to a
tattoo.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
I think if I think it could transfer, I'm a lot less
like willing to do that nowbecause I want tattoos that are
like just gonna be like last,you know, and look good forever.
I think I've seen too many, butI've done where I did, some
experimenting and I feel like Iwas like, oh you know, it
probably looked cool then butwas probably wasted work.
I should have just like made itclean and nice, good looking,
you know.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Your tones have changed a lot.
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, um less shading, moreopen space.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah, yeah, like they're breathing in there, but
they're still super strong, justdramatic.
And yeah, like the drama, youknow, especially if with colors,
like if I'm going to do colors,I want them to be like like
toned down vintage colors.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I don't, you know, I don't necessarily want anything
super bright sometimes, when Ipaint, I paint as if the
painting is going to heal youknow what the mind said.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
It's just like what the fuck is that you?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
know like all my lines are too close.
I don't necessarily like thatbecause I feel like that's
controlling my artisticknowledge and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, but yeah, when you're painting, like that's
supposed to be, like supposed tobe fun.
It's supposed to be supposed tobe fun, you know like you're
supposed to just like have fun.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Has anyone ever conscripted you Like?
Have you gotten the subjectmatter before painting anything?
Or that's just solely withtattoo, or or even with
tattooing does that no, Idefinitely have.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I've definitely done commission stuff okay, and I
don't know if I enjoy it like alot.
You know, yeah, I kind of golike, ah, this is kind of like
my sacred little thing that I'lldo.
You know, yeah, and I like, Ilike, I like the ideas and
working them out and stuff likethat, whereas like tattooing,
you know, like you were prettymuch getting commissioned all
the time, even if it's somethingwhere they're like I just want

(44:14):
something for you to draw,something like it's still
commissioned because you gottabe like.
You gotta be like because evenyou know I'll let people be like
they're like you don't have thespace just filling in with
something cool and I'll be likewell, what I think is cool, you
might not think it's very coolright, so, like, let's talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, that is a very weird gray area for artists.
I find that when people seek meout to do commissions or
certain things and they're verylike structured or I do not,
yeah, approach it with the samevigor, you know, or get the same
feeling of accomplishment whenit's done.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, you know so yeah, it's got to be.
That's like a.
Really that's a cool thing thatyou get to.
That happens like if someoneyou know asks you to just fill a
spot with something you thinkis cool, that's like, yeah,
that's awesome.
Like I do, I love that.
But I always have to kind offigure out a direction.
I'll be like, well, what do you?
You don't like skulls, you knowyou like eyeballs, you know
like this is that, and so youhave to kind of like okay, I got
to take this stuff off theplate and then I got to think

(45:06):
about like well, this persondoes this and this person's like
this, this is a family person,you know.
Like I got to you know, so it'skind of it turns into like
commission.
But you got to like Kate, yougot to like tailor, even the
open idea to the person, itcan't just be off the wall
unless they're just pickingsomething from my book and
that's cool One thing Iapproaching a client where I'm
trying to decide a tattoo forthem is I do Intel.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Yeah, I go through their Facebook.
I go through their Instagram.
I look how they dress you knowwhat I mean when they're dressed
up and I look how they'redressed down.
I look what they put onInstagram.
Nobody ever wants to put ashitty piss a picture on
Instagram.
Right, they're only showingtheir best and literally it's a
magazine for their life.
And literally it's a magazinefor their life.
Yeah, so I'll go through thatand be like all right, you know,

(45:51):
I can't.
You know, this guy wants a lionwith blue eyes.
Like you know, or yeah?
Yeah, I can't put that I can'tgive that to Nordic Dave.
Right, right, I can't give thatto Nordic Dave.
He's going to be like yeah, Itold you to.
You know what I mean like yeah,you know that's when you go you
want a lion with blue eyes.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
How about a lion with lightning eyes?
Yeah, right, right, breathingfire, that sounds right, yeah,
you recently did a piece um I

Speaker 3 (46:18):
got gifted from my lady.
She bought a mirror and he dida cyborg panther he knows I like
panthers.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You feel me and he just killed it.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
We got to tattoo it.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
We got to tattoo it.
Yeah, I'd like to tattoo thatthing.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I think it's cool, it's a must.
Yeah, it'll be like my third,fourth panther.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
But whatever, yeah your first cyborg, I mean who's
counting?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
You know exactly yeah .

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Oh, a robot.
I'm getting a robot next for myboy which is getting tattooed.
Next.
I don't have anything in thelines I don't know.
I don't know, I'll figure itout.
I got going waves like when Ifeel like getting tattooed, but
I'm sure I'll figure somethingout.
Next, do you have a favoritepiece?
On you I mean, I have, like mysister's names on me and that I
really like a lot that zach did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like thosea lot, I think he, those are
cool, he's so sweet.
Hey, that's my crew.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
So fucking sweet, this guy, that's my crew, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
You do have a tight family.
You guys are still very tight.
How does that happen?
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Dude, honestly I think that happens just living
in the middle of nowhere out inthe desert, and that's like we
had to be each other's bestfriends, you know yeah you know,
yeah, it was like we're allhanging out together all the
time.
You got all that arguing out,you get the arguing and the fun
times and then that just buildsthat bond and it's like tight,
you know yeah we're alldifferent, but they're all like.
You know, there's a lot ofsimilarities, so I think we're
like just tight you recentlytook a trip to.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Was it italy?
Yeah, italy, that that lookedcool yeah that's awesome it
looked inspiring.
I was one of the things I was.
I saw, saw you going throughsome of the museums, and what
did you take home from that trip?

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Tell me about it dude , I don't know, man, I I thought
I was going to.
You know, obviously I took abunch of pictures of stuff and I
was like, yeah, dude, I'm goingto find all these cool shit for
reference, which I have a lotof cool stuff was like I, when I

(48:15):
the first couple days I waslike I'm gonna take photos of
everything I think is cool.
You know, maybe I could takethis into tattooing or painting
or something, um, and then Ijust caught myself like not
taking photos and just kind ofbeing like, because I was kind
of walking around like my mouthopen, just like what the fuck?
yeah, and then the more shit youjust learn like the more you're
just like walking around likethis is crazy, I don't want to
have my phone out, and then I'mlike like there's a point where
we're like walking over a bridge.
I went with one of my reallygood buddies and, um, we're
walking over a bridge and I waswalking over ahead, like over

(48:35):
one of the canals, and uh, I waswalking and he's like, hey,
jimmy, come back here.
And he's all like, he's likecome here, check this out.
And he points out like a littleplaque, like a little size of a
business card, like tiny, juston one of the walls, and then
there's like a little walkway toa door and it just says this is
beethoven's house, like no bigdeal, you know.
And we were like what the fuck,dude?
Like we're walking in theshadows of giants, you know like

(48:56):
, and every turn I just was likethese streets have like gone
unchanged through all that timeand we're just walking in them
right now, like that's prettycrazy, dude yeah, that's a
messed up part about over here,you know they just wipe all that
shit away right, and they'redoing it in stucco so they can
wipe it away faster you

Speaker 1 (49:13):
know, what I mean.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
It's like dang man, they don't build things to last
or for with architectural intentanymore.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah I feel like you're walking around there.
I could, you could just feellike the vibrations and
everything you know, likeeverything was just vibrating,
like even some of like thebasilicas we went into.
You're just like man, some shitwent down in here, boy you know
, look at this freaking groundis all jacked up.
What did that?
What did that?
You know?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Did you draw, did you , did you sketch or do anything
out there?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
I sketch, I started, I started some sketches on my
way out there, yeah, and then umno.
I just yeah and then um no, Ijust walked around man, you went
out at night too it looked likevampires.
I was looking at those.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
I was dressing sexy, yeah, you know, yeah, trying to
get bit yeah in italy, yeah,looking for vampires, oh dude
there was like because all thealleys?

Speaker 4 (50:02):
are tight and foggy yeah it's like vampire city.
Well, that's what I thought Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I was there, I googled I did have google.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I said vampire signs in italy, in venice, you know,
yeah and uh, there's nothing onthere, just like stories but I
was like there was like I'd goout at night and just walk
around like the alleys by myselfand like there was always like
an old dude standing by a dockand I was like that's a fucking
ghost.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I felt the same thing about romania.
I was, I was, I went throughromania um quite a few times.
We had a base out there.
It was always, always something.
I was like something's gonnajump out and it's gonna be here
in this, in this crazy country.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah, dude, because it's like you know, what it is
is the history of the historyand all the old like fiction
books that like I draw like alot of inspiration from.
Yeah, those are the backdropsyou know what I mean.
So like yeah, when I'm thinkingabout like a vampire story or a
painting for a vampire, like I'mpicturing that street I was
standing in, yeah, and that'sfrom a book, or like a frank,
like you know, it looks likefrankenstein or some crazy shit

(50:58):
and it was like, yeah, that'scool, dude creepy and if you get
bit, you're bit yeah yeah,where else would you like to
travel to?
you know, for art oh for art,yeah, I'd like to.
I mean, I'd like to go toaustralia, be tight maybe.
Yeah, australia be tight, Idon't know.

(51:19):
There's a lot of places I thinkI'd like to go to norway would
be cool.
Um, japan, I'd be sick.
I think I'd have to do it,right, you know, because I don't
think I want to be in themiddle of all the hustle and
bustle.
I just want to be in like thecool stuff, you know, like the
kind of more outskirtsy stuff.
But, dude, honestly, there'slike I mean, any of those places
anywhere I'll be like, yeah,let's go there.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
I mean, they all sounded good, right yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Let.
I'm pretty easy to like you getme there.
I might put up a fight, youknow, trying to get there, but
you get me there and I'm likeI'll have a good time I like to
travel.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, Like seeing tech checkout towns One you guys
always do the Philly conventionhuh.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Yeah, that's a fun one.
The Philly is tight, dude,that's a crazy place, best city,
I think we went to.
That convention was cool.
It's super big and I tattooed alot and I sold a lot of
paintings, um, but I think walkaround the city was like the
coolest, because it's the samething as that stuff, those
cities, culture.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, it's like cobblestone streets and like I
feel the east coast has that.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
That slight advantage over the west coast, yeah, is
the older stuff, that's thething I think I noticed over
there, because I think thatmight have been the the oldest
usa city I've been in, you know,and uh, that was one of the
ones where I was like, oh, thisis a shit's like way older than
anything that's around us backin on this side of the coast,
you know I got a question that'stotally off basis, but towards
our side of things.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Do you ever draw at a emotion rather than a subject?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
like, I think everything, I think they're all
nestled in some type of emotion.
Sure, I think that goes hand inhand.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
No, yeah, and that's uh, do you allow the emotion to
evolve within the piece?
Or it's like nah, this needs tofeel this way yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
I think it always needs to feel like something.
Like if I draw something and Idon't feel like it's kind of
conveying any type of emotion,whatever it is like, I think
those are the ones where I'mjust like that's not it, that
ain't it like it's kind ofconveying any type of emotion,
whatever it is Like?
I think those are the oneswhere I'm just like that's not
it, that ain't it?
Like something's off about thisthing.
It was weird, you know like,and whether it be like there's
no drama in it, to create thisthing, you know like, or
whatever, like there's alwaysgotta be some type of emotion.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
You never really or or.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
If I started painting , I will.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I'll start, I'll do sketches, you'll do sketches and
you'll scrap those.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah, okay, cause I'll do rough sketches and
usually usually by uh, in thefirst like iteration of a sketch
.
If it's usually super loose,I'll know like, I'll know like,
oh, that's the direction I'm on,I need to go in, and then I

(53:54):
know I just's it.
You know, I was talking tosomebody, I was talking to my
buddy, dave richardson, theother night about that, because
there's the.
I'll show you guys, but theinitial sketch of that unicorn
is underneath there, right there, and um, it's super loose and
it's super like there's none, nodetails, nothing in it.
You know, but I almost go likethat's that might be like the
best step, you know, becausethat's almost the hardest hurdle

(54:15):
.
Like after you get that, afteryou get the direction going,
then I can be like god.
Then I just start going nutsand I freaking draw it and I
trip out on all this stuff.
Yeah, you know, but it's likegetting that drawing with
emotion in it, and I try to doit for not only my paintings but
for tattoos too, you know,because I'm like you know, yeah,
you're just gonna put a rose onsomebody, but like why can't
these leaves look like dramaticand like feel like something
like?

Speaker 3 (54:35):
you know, yeah, like something cool or weird or you
know yeah, one of the things Ithink is cool is that you use a
lot of color but your shit isnever cartoony, you know what I
mean.
Like, uh, and then you're usingthe color to develop the story.
Yeah, yeah, like that.
Yeah, I enjoy that aspect ofthe art.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Yeah, even when I go like nuts with colors, I go like
, oh, it's because there'sdefinitely pieces.
I'll look back and I'm likethat's weird that I use that
color.
I won't even remember sometimes, you know, yeah, I'll just be
like that's crazy that I didthat.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
But I also think I'm kind of crazy you know, I feel
like everybody has to have adifferent mindset to do what it
is that we do because I mean wecould all just go get a regular
job and like, but what the fuckis, what fun is that you?

Speaker 4 (55:19):
know what I mean.
It's not that fun.
I'm ruined for regular work.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Now there's no way there's no way, dude have you
ever had any regular jobs orlike what's the what's, which
one did you really?
I've had a lot.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
You know, before illu , I did start tattooing pretty
young.
Yeah, I had a gang of jobsbefore.
I mean, yeah, I worked at uh.
I mean I worked at circle k.
I worked, I did plumbing circlek.
I worked at uh.
I worked at labeta urethaneshop when I first moved to

(55:50):
California, which is pouringurethane for um, was that ATM
click stuff like that Like skatewheels and blade wheels?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Is it a?

Speaker 4 (55:58):
gang of stuff, but I just don't live, I don't stick
around when stuff, when I justdon't like it, I go like and I
think that's my.
I did a detail in for a while,but I think my mom was always
like.
I remember when I was workingat a detail shop, when I still
lived back home, I was ateenager and like uh, I was like
mom, this fucking guy my myboss at the time's got hair.
He's a dick and he was like Iwas like he's fucking razzing me

(56:19):
and he was razzing me because Ididn't have a license you know,
yeah, I lost it, but uh, he'srazzing me and I was just like.
I was like dude, I fucking hatethis guy, mom.
She's like do you like workingthere?
I was like nah, and so the nextday I went in he's and he's
like Jim, clear, fucking guy.
And he's like.
He's like I just don't evenfeel like you want to work here,
dude.
And I was like I don't, and hewas like you just see him just

(56:42):
like, wait, my freaking thingkind of backfired on me and then
my buddy that I went to Italywith was with me and he was like
, yeah, I don't want to workhere either.
We just left both quits.
We're just like let's go skate,okay?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
so I mean you are for everyone to listen.
You're a nice dude man, evenlike you were really genuine to
me the first time.
I because I knew of you, yeah,but I'd never been introduced to
you, yeah, so you came offamazing.
But thanks, man, you said sir,do you have a temper, or is it
just that you get agitated andthen bounce?

Speaker 4 (57:14):
no, I got a temper, yeah it just takes a lot to get
there it's buried in therechoose my, choose my.
Like uh fights wisely yeah,this guy you know, yeah, he's
very good I almost said like Idon't like I don't necessarily
like lash out, like temper wisevery easily, okay, but like I'll
lash out temper-wise veryeasily, I'll lash out and I'll
just say something mean orsomething or hurt someone's
feelings or something, and justbe calm about it.

(57:36):
It just feels better to me if Ijust go like boom bye.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
It takes a lot for me to get mad.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
You don't like confrontation, though you don't
like negative shit.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
I think I've gotten better at that.
Sure you know what it is.
It's like I don't mindconfrontation.
It's just like I just thinkthat there's like real.
I think there's ways to handleit without being like over the
top you know what I mean.
Like I'll come from, we cantalk about whatever you want,
but I want to talk about itcalmly and then if it gets crazy
, I'll just be like this isgetting too.
There's no information goingwhen emotions are high.

(58:11):
Like step back in later youknow, right, right.
Yeah, I'm like, let's get theinformation done, let's move on
to the having fun again.
I just want to have fun, besilly that's really.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
That's really.
Have you always been like that?
Have you been emotionally intune like that?

Speaker 4 (58:24):
I think so.
I grew up with a gang of girls.
Dude, how many, how many, howmany?
Sisters Three.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Oh, I have.
I have four sisters, so I getthat yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Maybe that is something it might've been, you
know and in the middle ofnowhere, so it was like yeah you
had to listen to them.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I didn't want to listen to my sisters.
Yeah, a lot of the times, but Ihad a temper.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yeah, so I fought, so I fought him a lot.
Well, I had a temper then whenI was young too, because they
were like you know, I had threesisters and they were fucking
gang up and yeah, climb on yourshoulders shoulders and become
like sister.
Every window in my bedroom waslocated was broken.
You know there's like bb gunholes in the walls and shit, uh,

(59:06):
but I would be like that get.
And so our house was kind of itwas like a trailer, but it's
like a double ad with like alittle add-on thing and, um, so
the kit, the original kitchen,the kitchen was there but it had
like a kitchen window.
You know that used to open tooutside.
Yeah, well, that opened into mybedroom, did you?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
jump through there well, vick.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
So if you were in the kitchen, yeah, you could open a
window into my bedroom withoutme being able to control
whatsoever, you know, and I putposters over that shit or
whatever, but like my sisters,would open it up and just talk
shit through that window, youfucking alien they're all upset
dude and I would just get awayfrom it and crawl out.
I'd just be walking across thedesert just fucking angry, going
nowhere with my dog.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I'd be like come on, let's get out of here, dude.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
We're running away, running away, yeah running away,
yeah, I don't know.
You know, I think I justfigured out how to handle it, I
guess.
And I listen to.
You know, I listen to a lot ofheavy music.
I freaking ride motorcycles,yeah I like to freaking, do
other things you know like.
So I think there's like a lotof outlets for aggression.
I have you know, yeah, I paintshit.

(01:00:08):
that's like kind of g outletsfor aggression I have you know,
paint shit that's like kind ofgnarly and sometimes it's like
crazy and like that one chopperyou had was crazy in itself.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Which one, the little with the little bunny bars, all
raked out that shit was wild.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
That was a death trap .
We learned later.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I'm saying bro, like that right there.
It was uh, it was uh.
I don't know, it was justridiculous.
It's some shit you don't dounless you be part of that shit
like it's like I don't know ifyou ever ridden a lowrider bike,
but you get on one of thosemotherfuckers, you get to
pedaling.
You don't like this shit.
Literally maybe 12 inches apart, his hands are yeah, they're

(01:00:45):
real tight you know what I mean.
No angle man that was crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
There's a springer on the front.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Really, bouncy, we're gonna upload pictures of all
his stuff too, so you guys canget it just real quick gotta be
like a tumbleweed man.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
You gotta just like let the wind take your baby.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
What advice cool, don't fight it what advice would
you give an artist who'syounger and wants to pursue uh
art as a career?

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
uh, I would say number one is fucking hard.
You know, uh, and if you'relazy, you're gonna work more
than just working a nine to five.
You know, like, if you reallywant to do it, you'll work all
the time.
Yeah, um, satisfying,satisfying, and I think, like,
just like draw, like physicallydraw you know what I mean.
Like physically draw and letyour hand like make stuff, cause

(01:01:38):
, like I don't know, I think ifyou're physically drawing and
you have the human hand on apiece of paper, like all this
shit, like just things happen,cool, you know that happened.
And like, and you kind ofdevelop your ideas, and if
you're just doing that over andover and over again, you'll get
to a place where you're doingstuff that you like I think.
So I think, just be persistent.
Yeah, if you want to be anartist, just be persistent.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Now more specifically , do you have any advice for a
new apprentice coming up?

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Probably similar to this and, with all this being
said, I'm like.
I'm like not even don't feellike I'm a place to tell anybody
like how to learn anything, youknow, which is why I've never
had an apprentice or anything.
I just feel like I'm still likeI guess I got way too much shit
to learn.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Um, but uh, which is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Ladies and gentlemen 24 years still learning
something never satisfied whichI think is kind of good too,
cause it makes you, keeps youdriving.
You know it, forces progression, forces progression.
You don't want to getcomplacent in that stuff, like I
don't know, it's like a weirdthing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
No, yeah, cause if you continue to work, a month
later it will look like dog shit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Yeah.
You know, if you continue tolook you want to look at stuff
and be like damn, I drew thathand, like better.
Or I drew the freaking, likedamn, that body is all tweaked
out, but it's like cool, youknow what I mean.
Like I figured it out how tomake like the right way, which I
think is just like practice,practice, practice and ipads are
great and all, but like I justlike, I just feel like there's

(01:03:05):
when I draw on my ipad.
like I draw on too and I use itfor tattooing and stuff.
But I just feel like there'ssomething that gets lost.
You know, there's likesomething missing.
So like I'll draw, I draw ontracing paper and then I get
that idea.
Like I said with the unicornthing, I get that where I'm like
that's the direction and then,if it's for a tattoo, that I and

(01:03:26):
then I'll refine it from there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
That's a heavy choice too, because when you're on
paper, still God, it takes somuch longer.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
You know it does it's a it's an extra step, but I
feel like it develops.
Yeah, anytime, I cut thatcorner there's been times where
I'll like look at a drawing andI'll be like damn.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
I wish I could have drawn that again.
You know I'm like this orwhatever.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
So how you feel about the ai um artists?
Now I don't know, I mean samething.
There's no life in it.
You know, yeah, it's like it'scool, I mean some of that shit's
incredible dude, right badasslooking, but I also think it's
like it's generated it's fuckinggenerated like uh, little
cheesy times.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah, the npc beat to the instrument.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Yeah, you know, sort of like some sweaty fucking
drummer doing a beat orsomething.
You know like, uh, yeah, Idon't know, because there's tons
of shit that I go like, damn,that's pretty crazy badass.
But like I'm I, I kind of golike, yeah, but there were
painters that worked their wholelives to do learn how to do
that.
And then, if you know whatmakes me sad about it's like I
don't really care, it doesn'tbother.
Like people are going to do it,whether you like it or not, and

(01:04:29):
they're gonna.
You know they're making amazingthings and I know people are
losing jobs.
But more more than anything, Igo damn, the guys that are like
adopting this as like a workflow, you know doing the ai
stuff.
I go, man, they're reallyrobbing themselves of like
making artistic mistakes andthen learning stuff.
You know like, damn, they arefucking, they just punched that

(01:04:49):
in there and that's what theymade.
And like they didn't have to gothrough any steps of like
screwing up an arm or drawingthe fucking background or
something, or just like making amess and being like, oh, that
shit's a castle, right, you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Like there's like there's no like discoveries or
mistakes and it's like thatsucks man which makes me sad and
refines the eye and the palatealong the way you know, um, when
you do your detailed pieces,the reason that it looks good is
because all of those mistakes,yeah, all of those mistakes.
Putting a woman on a dragon'sback, it's hard as fuck.

(01:05:22):
You know what I mean decidingwhere her leg lies, what's her
hand doing, how's her hairflowing, you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
know, where do you want the hair to flow?
Where's the wind going in thisthing?
Right, weird shit, you know theReaper's cloak.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
you know that that's one of the hardest things about
tattooing is our subject matter.
It's all over the fucking placeand they look at you and
they're just like, yeah, man, goahead and do work.
Yeah, I'll be waiting for mymasterpiece.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, masterpiece, yeah, um, I find it hard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
I still rely on um heavy reference to get to my end
result.
I think that's good, you know.
But I'm going to the pointwhere, hopefully, man, like soon
, I'll be able to just draweverything from the hand and
it's just original you know,what I mean.
I've gotten away from tracing.
Yeah, you know what I mean forthe anatomy and all that type of
stuff, um, but I still usereference heavy.
But you know that's why Irespect the game.
You know what I mean dude, thatshit's hard man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Because it's like reference.
I think it's super good tostuff like that, you know,
especially like there's certainthings where you want reference,
for you know what I mean.
Like, if you're drawingsomething that's like japanese
inspired, you're like man Ishould probably look at like a
hannya mask or like a japanesedragon, because there's like
little things but there's also alot of room to like kind of
like tweak them out and makethem unique and stuff like that
you know.
So I think those references arevery it's like you got to build

(01:06:38):
that library and your braininto all yourself and, um, do it
from there, because you know, Idon't, I don't think you need
to draw everything from scratchif it's already done like
beautifully a japanese dragon isalready perfect.
They're fucking them.
There's like a million perfectones that are already drawn and
you can add your flair to them,you know.
So why not look at those onesthat are perfect and be like
that's why it's a japanesedragon, because it looks like

(01:06:59):
that, you know, but maybe I wantlonger whiskers, right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
stylizing art right?
Yeah, we talked about yourspecific style.
You're not trying to draw in adifferent way to be stylish,
right are you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
is it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
as simple as something like oh I'm just gonna
pull this line a little bitfurther and then do a a loop at
the end oh, like consciouslydoing it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
No, I don't think so.
I think it's just the way Idraw now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah, I've tried to stylize art like, oh, or push
the, push the envelope of artwithout having the background.
Yeah, I'm going to stylize thefuck out of this drawing.
Yeah, and then not have thehours of failure.
Yeah, To say, ok, this isacceptable, this is acceptable
Because that's what style is, isseeing somebody who has failed

(01:07:50):
over and over, who knows thatthis looks right in this fashion
.
Well, you got to like, you gotto like practice.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
You got to take the chances of pushing something you
know far enough and you'regoing to fall over the edge and
many times, until you're like oh, that's the balance right there
.
I know I can make, I can do thatmove and make that look cool,
you know, and yeah.
So I think that's like I don'tknow.
I think that's where all thatstyle comes from, or something.
Now I don't know.
Like I said, I don't really see.
I think I'm too close to thecuff to look at this stuff and
see it's all stylish or anythingright, but like, I just go like

(01:08:18):
, oh, when I look at it, I golike, oh, I drew that you know,
like that looks like my drawinglike my.
It's like my signature orsomething.
Looks like my.
Looks like I wrote that youknow Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Mm-hmm, do you have any routines or any spot in this
house or even at the shop?
Yeah.
What unlocks all those creativejuices?
What gets the thoughts flowingthe best?

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Is it the morning cup of coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
What is it for you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Sometimes, sometimes I have dreams.
I think I've got a crazy kindof.
I think I've lived in a life oflike imagination.
Yeah, like I don't think myimagination ever goes away.
It's never stopped.
It was just going and going andgoing.
So I think, like when I sit andI get to like kind of sift
through the ideas, like I'll sitin my backyard is a big deal
Okay.

(01:09:10):
I'll sit in my backyard and I'llsit at my drawing table and
think, you know, any certaintime of day, or usually night
time, usually night time, yeah,usually the mornings.
I'm thinking more about like,like myself as a character, like
what I want to be for that day,you know, I go, hey, dude, we
could do this or whatever youknow, like, maybe today don't
fucking talk so much shit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
You know what I mean let's do nice, and I'll have my
cup of coffee and I mean you setyourself straight.
Let's do nice.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
And I'll have my cup of coffee and I'll be like these
sons of bitches are in for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
After being in some minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
That usually cracks me up too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
Yeah, if I have one too many cups, I'll kick the
door open.
Yeah, someone's gonna ask daywhat's up?
I was like what's wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
with that shirt what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
yeah, yeah you just wearing pajamas today.
But yeah, I think, dude,honestly, all day long my
imagination is going fuckingnuts like all day.
It's kind of crazy and it'sit's a lot to handle.
I think a lot of times I'mconstantly like making up

(01:10:16):
freaking weird scenarios.
When I'm at starbucksdrive-thru I'll be like, yeah,
what if that lady reaches out tograb her coffee and she's got
like a fucking dragon arm,that'd be weird, right, you know
, like something that's justconstant, it's just constant
yeah, you know yeah, okay,that's what I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Like, are you like?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
are you thinking of these things?
That's your constant.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Okay, okay, yeah, that's what I want, yeah yeah
and then I, you know, then Itake that later or something.
I'll come up with somethinglater and like okay I try to
make that shit happen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
These are thoughts inside of your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Yeah, for sure, right , yeah, for sure.
So that's what I'm trying toget to like.
Do you kick a theme like oh,today I'm gonna fucking draw a
fucking lady right in the face.
No like he drained that shitthe fuck up.
I feel like it took an hour ofus grilling to him and he threw
it that's crazy right.
Ro, I'm looking at it now likedamn now I see it from, not from

(01:11:09):
your perspective, but I see itfrom, not from your perspective,
but I see it from a whole newperspective.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
now, dude, it's just a runaway train of ideas and I
just got to wrangle them in andfigure it out, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
I dig it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Cats or dogs Do I like better?
Yeah, animal, all animals.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Okay, except for turkeys.
Fuck turkeys, oh turkeys.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Turkeys, turkeys, turkeys.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Yeah, I got a turkey, oh yeah, and then we had two
turkeys at my parents house whenI was a kid too, and like we
couldn't walk out to the carwithout a stick worst birds man
they'll come at you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Turkeys suck roosters .

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I enjoy watching people get fucked up by geese
and roosters little kids tryingto run away.
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
I enjoy watching people get fucked up by geese
and roosters, like, but they,they're just agile, a little kid
trying to run away and shit.
I love that.
I love cats and cats and dogsand this shit.
Well, you draw more cats thanyou do dogs.
Well, yeah, and I had cats, soit's all.
It depends what's going on.
You know, like I forget, when Iwas doing those all those big
cat paintings, I had cats.
Oh, okay, I had two cats and youknow that was my thing and I
had like a real short amount oftime to get for an art show.

(01:12:11):
I had to paint like a bunch ofpieces for the car show.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I was like I'm just going to do a fucking gang of
cats weird cats, and so I drewall those big ass weird ones.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
How do you approach an art show?
I've never had a soul art show.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
How do you approach that, do you, is it?
I'm going to finish twopaintings a month until this day
.
Um, is it?
I'm?
Here we go.
Yeah, it's just like here we go.
Let's stay up late every nightand just keep going.
Like I said, once the ball'srolling, I'm like I want to keep
it rolling.
You know how long do you paintat night?
Like god dude.
If I'm working on a piece likeI'll have to put, I have to make
myself go to bed.
Oh shit, I'll be like dude, it'sfour I gotta yeah, you know,
that's tight, like I gotta go tobed and I've tried to paint in
the morning, but like I don'tknow, I like the nighttime man,

(01:12:55):
you know there's something aboutit like you can't go to the
store, you can't fucking doanything.
It's quiet, everybody'ssleeping, no one's trying to
call you.
It's quiet, yeah, like the air.
Yeah, I like the darkness.
It feels good.
Would you describe your art?
Dark, yeah, probably dark.
Romantic, I think, is what Ilike to balance, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Okay, talk to me, talk to me romantic.
So you all, right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Yeah, it'll be like darkly romantic.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
I think that's cool I do get love story, I do get
drama, I do get heartbroken.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
Like any of those, like any of those, like any of
those warrior things or anyother shit.
It's all like some love storyplus fighting.
It's cool, you know do you puton?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
do you put yourself in those shoes at all?
Probably yeah.
Do you like you?
Are you a hopeless romantic ordo you?
Do you like that?
That idea of the, of the, ofthe, the night going after going
?

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
after the lady.
I think that, yeah, I thinkthat's really cool, I think
that's super cool man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
He's a lover.
You know what I'm saying youget that too.
Ladies and gentlemen, you don'thit my boy Jim up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Nah man.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
I'm looking at the pieces on the wall.
I've never seen you draw awhimpering woman, a woman that's
not powerful either yeah, well,I got a lot of powerful women
around right, right, that's dope.
You know I'm this is all comingout now.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Um, and my mom, my sisters, are all strong women.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
It's cool, yeah I like the medieval flair on there
.
I like the drama, the contrastbetween two soft and hard.
Yeah, I really enjoy that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Yeah, I like that too .
I like that balance of like Idon't know, I think that shit's
cool, dude.
Like I like there was a minuteI was drawing all that's what
those two girls are from too.
Like I was drawing all theselike, uh, like dragon slayer,
kind of like ladies, you know,and I was like, I like that
where they're like like.
Those are just.
They're just like classicfashion model poses, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
But, like you know, their gowns are blue yeah yeah,
that's what I look at the pieceI'm like okay, yeah well, those
are.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Those two are a good example too of uh, so that's,
those two have a third.
That's like hanging on the wallright here, this girl on the
horse, and there's kind of acomplete story.
Like those two are like huntingher and if you notice, like
them two, their, their dressesare all bloody from the top down
and that, but there's bulletholes around them.
So they're, those are the twohunters and they're hunting her.

(01:15:21):
That's on this horse over here,yeah, and if you look at her,
um, her clothes isn't bloody buther boots are red and she's got
a gun, so she's like shootingback at them.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
I don't know.
I was like that's a cooldynamic.
They're like hunting, but likewho's badder?

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
dude, I don't know.
Yeah, you got a movie going onin your own home.
Yeah, with the art.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Yeah.
There with all his charactersand shit.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
That's crazy, cass, I go.
Oh, I hate that.
Now to the next one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yeah, that's cool man , let's go to the next thing.
This is exactly why I wanted tocome here.
It's because, I knew it wouldbe exactly like this and I
really wanted to tap in and likeit's hard to get shit from you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
But now I got a microphone on you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
So it's like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
I think a lot of times like my mouth runs can run
a little slower than my brain,you know, and so like it's hard
to kind of verbalize thingssometimes.
But I've always mentallyprepared to do this Cause like
straight, not crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
I've always thought that you were don't freak it out
.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Don't freak out the crazy picky on others people's
art.
Yeah, about when you give acompliment.
Yeah, yeah, motherfucker.
Yeah, yeah, this dude is picky,yeah, like, and it it kind of
like jim won't really fuck withif you don't put in the art and
you call yourself an artist, man, he will like yeah, I think
this is there's like a certainamount of genuineness that you
gotta freaking and not just belike, um, I hate, just coasting,
I hate him and dave richardsonrelationship for that, because

(01:16:59):
it's like two wizards that dospells together and you want to
go see the spells.
You know what I mean, but you'renot a wizard yet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
You're still a wizard in training, that's the thing
me and dave richardson, like youknow, we got yeah, we are, we
do things like that and that'smost.
If anybody's over at my houseat late at night, kind of
crashes here sometimes likehe'll, like he'll, just you know
, hey, let's have a hangoutnight and fucking talk, and
that's what the whole night willbe like.
Well, yeah, well, look at thisfucking weirdo dude was drawing
centipedes with arms and andwe're like it just goes and goes

(01:17:28):
and goes and over y'all checkout dave richardson too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Man, he's another fucking wizard um who doesn't
get nearly enough fucking creditfor his tattoos for how much he
produces, man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
That guy has a shit ton of drawings, do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
that hurts an artist sometimes, you know, because you
guys aren't playing into thethe trend of tattooing, you know
like yeah, I think so, man,dave dave.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
I was like looking through his like he's got like a
digital flashbook that no one,no one has access to except for
him, you know, and I'm just like, yeah, you gotta put this
online.
Like there's so much good stuffin here.
There's like cyber babes andlike all this crazy, like buff
fucking women and like dudeswith no arms.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
You know, like weird stuff original, original
continent like andron yeah, andpeople.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
They don't respect it how they should anymore and it
drives me nuts it's almost liketrue artistry is becoming the
backpack version of rap.
You know, it's like all the mcsin rap like are the backpack
guys, the guys, the gritters?

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
you know KRS one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Dilla, you know what I mean, but they've never gotten
that full respect because theydidn't.
They didn't diddy out you knowwhat I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
They didn't you know what I'm saying?
Totally, man, yeah, they, they,yeah, they did the work and
then other people took liketheir work and freaking made it
flashier, whatever I wish artwould change in that way a
little bit too, man, because Ithink there's a lot of badass
people doing cool shit that, uh,that aren't getting seen enough
.
You know, yeah, and like youknow, there's a lot of stuff
being seen that's just like notthat cool it's, it's really not

(01:19:00):
yeah, and it's a lot of it'sredone.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
It's just a lot of it's redone yeah, so it's you
know so original content likeand the reason it's redone is
because it's hard as fuck, yeah,to create original content from
the head and make it lookaesthetically pleasing, I don't
give a fuck, I feel like itshould be hard.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
You know that shit should not be easy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
I will draw on something for a long time
because I want it to be longlasting.
I don't want it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
I've seen your stuff like take leaps and bounds and
bounds over drawings and I'mlike damn damn good job, brandon
.
That's tight, you know, yeah,and I, like you said like I
don't mean to not give outcompliments all the time, it's
just like I just feel like I'mlike always looking at artwork,
so maybe it's just all in myhead that I'm just like looking
at stuff, looking at stuff, andusually when I'm looking like

(01:19:48):
why did?
And then my brain goes like,well, why do you like that, you
know, and like, and I'll likelook across the whole thing, and
I'm like, well, you know thatthat face is like kind of normal
.
That's cool though, but thenI'll be like, oh, you know what
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Is that her fingers are like kind with your
critiques and you know like youain't gonna put nobody down, but
you're not dead.
You're not gonna give them theattention either until they show
themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Yeah, I'm not in the, I'm not in the market or in the
business of like hurting, but Ilike if people are creating,
that's cool, that's tight, Ilike that you know, everybody
should make something, and it'snot gatekeeping, but it's it's
holding a level it's holding.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
You know.
Yeah, yeah, it's a respectthing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
I don't know how to to convey it completely, but I I
thoroughly enjoyed it, becausethen when I do get like, oh yeah
, that's dopey, yeah, it'sgenuine, rather than somebody
just giving me some, some fluffyeah you know like oh, I'm being
built, like well, I try to beconscious, like I said earlier,
like I try to maybe as I getolder too, I try to be conscious
of, like, what kind ofinformation am I putting in my

(01:20:59):
head?
And like, what am I adding tothis weird library of skills and
stuff that maybe I don't thinkabout?
I was talking to, actually, Iwas talking to dave richardson
about this the other day becauseI was like telling him that I
had to replace the door handleon my fucking truck, right, and
I said I said I replaced thatthing.
It took me an hour and like anhour, and I was like that is
like not a skill I need in mybrain and now I know how to do
that and I'm like what I don'twant?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
your hard drive in my brain having how to replace the
door handle of your truck.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Yeah, you know, I mean, that's on YouTube, don't
be in my brain.
I want to save that forsomething cooler, you know?
Really, yeah, that's cool so.
I go like I got to be consciousabout like okay, what am I
holding on to here?

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Was there ever a critique or criticism that still
sticks with you?
Oh, I knew it.
I knew it.
That's possible.
We're on the same wavelength.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
I was like a juxtapose, the magazine show,
right, and they were like takingsubmissions from certain people
and so I sent a little thing.
And they're like, oh, this iscool, dude.
Like they're like I'll send us,uh, the pieces that you would
want to put in for this.
And I was like, okay, so I sentthem all these things.
And they were like werewolfhands and like freaking this,
you know, and like all theselike and they're like one of

(01:22:15):
them was all green and then theout the backgrounds had these
weird, like kind of art nouveauframes with like buildings in
them and stuff like that.
And uh, the lady sent me backand she was just like, or the
person whoever was to send meback, and they just said like.
They said, yeah, we're gonnaprobably pass on your stuff, but
, um, they're like because wethink your borders are much
cooler than like the main topicof your of like you know,

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
it was just like rough, you know, and at the time
I was like what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
I was kind of like pacing around.
I was like who doesn't like awerewolf hand dude?
I'm like there's got like afucking suit on.
He's like cool.
You know, it's like weird.
Just my own like ego or brain,whatever.
And um, now I have those piecesstill and I look at them I go,
ah, the borders are the coolestpart of this fucking thing you
know, okay, yeah.
So I kind of look at it and Igo like, yeah, that could have

(01:23:05):
been cooler and one of thosefailure moments where you feel

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
not a failure moment, cause you felt like it was good
.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Yeah, but now you look at your old work and you
notice you're better.
So this is what we're talkingabout the refinement.
You know, you know it was like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
It was like I think that's probably been a give or
take with me forever.
It's like how much window I gotto know when to hold back thing
.
Yeah, for me like I gotta go,like I gotta stop messing with
this thing before I ruin it, youknow damn, jim, this has been
good.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Hey, have you?
Have you watched any of theepisodes?
Um, have you tapped in any?
Yeah, dude, okay, yeah, Ilisten to zach.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
So listen to uh brands, I listen to mike's hell
yeah, I was telling zach that Ifreaking liked all those man.
They're cool good yeah, youguys did a good job of uh just
getting to everybody's site yeah, people are, they're asking and
they're enjoying everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Uh, they, they want peacock.
You know they, they won'tbecause they want you.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
yeah, I feel like those those episodes I feel like
I learned some stuff about myfriends.
I didn't know and it's deepright.
Yeah, and I said I waslistening.
I was like I had a littlenotebook.
I said I'm gonna make fun ofthat later.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Is there any other friends you want to send on you,
let us know.
We'll do it offline.
You'll be like I'm going tointerview this dude right here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
I want to know his secrets yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
No, they've been killer man.
He gets his episodes.
I'm good, I'm psyched to bepart of this Hell yeah, man.
Hopefully, you know I'm doingenough, I don't know.
Ah, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
I ain't enough.
Hopefully we're doing enough.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
I hope.
That's why I'm conveying themessage.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
You know this is part of my fucking.
You, motherfuckers ain't payingattention.
They ain't paying attentionbecause there's still some dope
shit out here Within this worldwe're living in, there, within
this world we're living in.
There's still core individualsout here doing dope shit living
by a different code, not fuckingcutting corners on the artistry
you know what I mean and theembodiment of what it is that
they believe in.

(01:24:56):
And you're hearing it, man, andyou know I'm patting myself on
the back a little bit too, justbecause, like, yeah,
motherfucker this is the homie.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Jim, this dynamic works good, like it's got.
It's a good dynamic.
You keep things moving.
I like it.
That was my only concern.
I don't know how to verbalizestuff in my head, but you guys
are easy to talk to, so it makesit nice and you keep it moving,
which is nice.
I need that help sometimesbecause I could go off on some
tangent yeah, you ever fuckingcollect earthworms, laughter,

(01:25:29):
laughter, laughter, laughter,laughter, laughter man yeah,
yeah, you ever fucking collectearthworms every episode we do a
section of the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
It's called a roundup .
Okay, um, uh, you could give usa quote.
If you could give us a quoteabout something that you live by
, yeah, that embodies you, uh,what would your quote be?

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
I thought about this because you said that I found my
quote okay and I really like itokay.
Yeah, yeah, I like this and I'mfucking.
You know I'm silly and I I likebeing silly, but this is like
important, you know.
Yeah, I think there's also moreto it, but I think this is cool
.
I wrote my quote down, right?
Okay, I'm gonna.
I'll read the quote first andthen I'll tell you what great

(01:26:13):
philosopher it's by.
Okay, all right.
It says you can't fake the funkof the nasty dunk, and that's
by great mind, shaquille o'nealmy bad big shit big shit big
shit, you can't fake the funk orthe nasty dunk hey shout out
Shaq.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Man, you know, shout out Shaq.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
I love Shaq.
I actually love Shaq.
I know that seems weird.
Yeah, I forget the don't fakethe funk, y'all or the nasty
dunk or the nasty dunk and I waslike I think that's super funny
to say and it rolls off yourtongue.
It's nice, yeah.
But it also is because I said Isaid okay, when you love what
you do and bring a genuineenergy to your work, everyone
knows it.
If you're a real deal whenyou're going through the motions

(01:26:55):
, they know that too, you know.
So it's like don't fake, don'tdo it and fake it, you know yeah
be real, be genuine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
See, I was gonna fuck with you.
I thought that came from the,that era, the, the jersey era,
but then you put some real shitbehind that, yeah, and you just,
yeah, you turned it intosomething really beautiful man
like a fucking scholar, yeahyou're a great balance of
fucking craziness, fun andintelligence.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Thanks, man.
So you're yin and yang.
Yeah, me and zach.
You know we've really enjoyedall our guests.
Good, um, you're our last guestfor this season, so this ends
season one.
We wanted to go out with a bang.
We got Zach Peacock over herefilming with the footage.
We got Brian Brixton over herein the background shooting some

(01:27:40):
stuff too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
We brought out the heavy hitters.
This shit is about to lookcrazy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
I appreciate all you guys coming together for
whatever this ends up being.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
This is from me and Zach, go ahead and open that up
real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
I needed an envelope, so we tried to do.
I'm going to explain it,because you're opening it and
you'll be like what the fuck?
Your actual gift hasn't gottenhere yet.
It's still being made what?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
is it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
So you're getting something custom and I showed
you the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
I just printed, getting some custom and I showed
you the.
I just I just printed out somestickers and I printed out the
um, uh, the design.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
What?
What'd you guys yeah oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
What is this?
That's a.
That's going to be a custommade belt buckle.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
That's fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I saw you there dude, you fuck with belt buckles and
that's that's a cool style, thatI dig as well, that's cool man.
Yeah, so it's gonna be custommade um by molly silver this is
tight.
They're out of texas yeah yeah,so when it gets here.
When it gets here, I'll bringit right to you yeah, thank you,
dude.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
I appreciate that.
Send a picture of your waist, Iwill.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
You guys gonna be like now, do it with pants and a
shirt on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Yeah just the belt and the muscle that's just the
way it's going to go for thatday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Jim got the thinnest shirts ever.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
His shirts be so damn thin.
Jim will not throw away a shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
This guy is Mr Vintage over here might be
getting on his knee you don'twear a collar shirt without an
undershirt, you don't wear acollar shirt without an
undershirt.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
You don't wear a button-up shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
He'd be like nah, it's cool, yeah, it's cool, I
love it, you know people are tooscared to be sexy these days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
I show a little skin.
It's fine, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
See-through shirt.
When did that go out of style?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
People were wearing mesh shirts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
All the time I'm saying you know, People talk
shit about my short shorts too.
That's why I got my legs supertacky.
A midriff shirt I don't mind amidriff shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
All the homies like what they like you feel me.
Like oh, you guys are someparticular motherfuckers about
your shit.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Hardcore.
I'll be standing there.
You'll be like Jim, you evergoing to get your back done.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
I'm like oh, yeah, yeah, you sweating guys like,
nah, yeah, like just ran, butthank you, jim, so much for
coming on, for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
This is tight.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
I hope you guys have enjoyed season one.
I want to give.
Let Jim get the last word andjust go ahead and take us out,
jim yeah, alright, thanks forhaving me.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
You guys, this has been a beautiful episode here on
Love Sandwich.

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

United States of Kennedy

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Dark Fantasy and Inked Legends with James Warf

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}United States of Kennedy

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

All Episodes

Dark Fantasy and Inked Legends with James Warf

United States of Kennedy