March 25, 2024 • 29 mins
Have you ever felt the hum of a tattoo machine and with it, the catharsis of a memory etched in ink? Today, Zach and I invite you to our Urban River studio for a raw and riveting look into tattoo therapy and its profound impact on the human spirit. We'll unpack the emotional odyssey that accompanies the transformation from bare skin to living canvas, and why tattoos are more than just body art—they're milestones of our personal narratives. As the needle pricks the surface, so too do we explore the depths of professionalism in the tattoo industry, where artists serve as both creators and cautious advisors against the peril of impulsive ink.
Journey with us as we peel back the ink-stained curtain on the stories that walk through a tattoo parlor's door, from tales of triumph to echoes of trauma. I'll share anecdotes from the chair, where every client's revelation is a testament to the trust they place in their artist's hands. We'll navigate the ethical tightrope artists walk, balancing the desire to fulfill requests with the duty to protect clients from future regret. The art of tattooing, we find, is as much about the human connection as it is about the art itself—it's a shared experience that reverberates through the lives of those who bear it and those who bring it to life. Tune in for a heart-to-heart on the indelible power of ink.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Good morning, welcome to B to Z.
It's Monday, 1027, 56 degreesand the freeways are flowing.
We wanted to start with alittle bit of feedback from the
last few episodes.
You know we've been testing andtrying to uh, smooth things out
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so we can get a nice flow forthe podcast, and we took some
feedback from friends and familyand you know we appreciate that
too.
So always, we always want thatfeedback.
So whenever you get anopportunity to argue like
something, have an opinion, man,please express it to us because
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we love that.
So some of the feedback we gotwas you know, be funnier more
often and stuff like that.
And we're going to try to be.
You know, as long as it's notlike every other podcast.
It's got to be genuine.
You know I definitely don'twant you guys to know my fake
laugh.
You know what I mean Becausethen you're going to know like,
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oh, that's his fake laugh, youknow when you get appointments
and whatnot.
But we'll try as long as it'sauthentic and there's something
funny.
You know what I mean.
Neither one of us are comedians,but we're funny.
You know what I mean.
I know what I mean.
Like we're.
Neither one of us are comedians, but we're funny.
You know what I mean.
I find myself very funny oncertain topics.
So just wait for that and bepatient.
You know we are trying todeliver a little bit of
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something as well.
You know, I do have Zach herewith me today.
Mr Batista, you know what I'msaying.
I forgot to bring my co-host in, but he's always here with me,
man.
If you hear me on the mic, youknow that he's here with me and
we can edit that into the front.
So welcome Zach.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, good morning.
So to continue with the initialfeedback, the initial reactions
, I got sound.
Sound was a big one and I knowyou and my conversation in the
beginning was let's let it roll.
So we're sitting right upagainst the 91 Freeway I don't
know if everyone knows that ornot.
91 Freeway in SouthernCalifornia, by the Tyler Street
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exit.
We're recording at Brandon'sshop.
Yeah, in my studio.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
In his studio.
Yeah, and we're right next tothe freeway, big old panoramic
windows.
I call it the Urban River.
Everybody going to do theirthing.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And we didn't want to take away from that that.
I'll be honest In the beginningwe may tweak some things.
See how it goes.
See, maybe this episode oursound quality already will
improve.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah so let us know what you think about
that.
But it is noted that we areworking on the sound so that you
guys can hear every bit of ourvoices and it comes off very
clear and whatnot, and then I'llgo into kind of a mini rant if
you'll let me.
Oh yeah, go into a mini rant ifyou'll let me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh yeah, go into a mini rant.
So a question I was asked waswhat are you guys all about?
Are you guys going to sit hereand just bullshit the whole time
?
So I want to give our statementwhat we're all about, what
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we're trying to do.
We're two guys just trying todeliver our message as we see
through our lives.
We come from two differentbackgrounds, but we share a lot
of similarities.
We're for everyone.
We're for the blue-collarworker that's been working for
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10 years at the job.
We're for the guy that just gothired day one.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, and it's going to be a little bit of everything
.
But if you if you see it asbullshit man, there's a lot of
other podcasts that you couldprobably really enjoy that are
not bullshit for you.
So, yeah, there are going to besome bullshit perspectives as
well.
You know what I'm saying.
Not to say that that's one, buteverybody has an acquired taste
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.
You know, it is a little bitblue collar, but it's a little
bit of everything.
It's not that.
Oh, what is it?
I'm not here to give you onespecific thing.
I'm not here to give you onespecific thing.
I'm here to give you somethingto think about at the end of the
day.
So if you leave here and youdon't have something to think
about, then I failed you, youknow.
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But as far as that direction,I'm not a therapist.
You know what I'm saying.
Zach was asking me thatquestion.
You know I jumped on it alittle earlier, but'm not a
therapist.
You know what I mean and Idon't want to be held
accountable for that, you know?
Um, just take the.
It's like I'm your homie givingyou a good advice, okay I like
it, I like to think we're.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I thought of this this morning.
I like to think we're e foreveryone, but we're also e for
fucking explicit.
So oh shit so kind of yeah,kind of kind of kind of watch
who you're listening to surroundyou.
If you got it on speaker, theremight be some things coming out
of left field.
Oh yeah, just based on what ourtopic is of the day, yeah, I
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like that one.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, it is not PC, you know, and these are my
opinions and his opinions.
You guys have some fucked upopinions too.
Don't act like you, don't youknow?
So when we go off and we aretruthful and honest and
transparent, don't try andcrucify us.
You know what I mean.
Just trying to understand ourperspective on situations rather
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than turn into a little bitchand just start complaining.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I am, I am.
I am grateful for all thefeedback, though, as well as the
listens.
This morning we were at 67downloads and I'm grateful.
I'm really excited for that sofar, because we launched on
Friday, so we just had it goingover the weekend.
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What formats are we on right now For the podcast?
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We've never done this before,uh, so so bear with us and give
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Speaker 1 (07:21):
I wanted to bring up one more thing and yes, we
appreciate that opinion as faras, like, what are we we're
developing is what we are we'redeveloping.
You know, we're not trying tobe one thing, we're trying to be
several things, and we're notdoing this to be seen in a
certain light, like oh, they aretherapists or they are this or
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they are that Like man.
We're what you think we are.
You know what I mean Like.
So that's the answer to that.
One more piece of feedback, andthank you for that piece of
feedback, whoever that came from.
One more piece of feedback wasfrom my son, which I thought was
funny.
I played it for him in the caron the way home and he was dying
.
He was laughing.
I guess I had a little funnylaugh in there or something like
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that, and he was just rolling.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
He was clowning on you.
Yeah, he was clowning, he wasclowning.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So that's cool.
You know I'll be a fool at hislittle expense just to hear him
laugh.
So you know I love that just tohear him laugh.
But he said we should have ascript and that he wanted to try
to write one of the scripts.
So we'll let you know when thathappens too.
We'll let you know what hisframing is, and when that
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happens and how it sounds too.
I think that'll be a coollittle experiment.
I'm like oh yeah, this is theone that miles wrote.
Do you know what I mean?
Shout out to you miles.
Thank you for your feedback.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So, wrapping that up, we we would like to put out
this podcast weekly.
We'd like to center it aroundmental health, but we're going
to go off on tangents.
Another one quick shout out,just because I have it up.
I've been using Adobe Auditionfor our mixing.
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I've learned how to use thatand I've been burning through a
bunch of YouTube tutorials.
Gotta love YouTube tutorials.
Yeah.
It's not like looking at theencyclopedia or anything.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I like the tutorials, but the rewinding and all of
that Crucial, yeah, that'sannoying.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So Mike Murphy Cole was one Author I was listening
to on there, and then MikeRussell, that was another one on
there, and I'll post those onour Instagram later this week as
well.
Right, but shout out to thoseguys, man, it's because of you
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guys, it's because of you In twoweeks I learned how to do this
Keep putting that good shit outthere.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Appreciate everyone's patience.
So bring us in, zach, let's getback to that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I like where we're at in the therapist.
So I've heard a lot thattattooing is therapy.
Tattooing is like a therapy,tattoo therapy, and I myself
being what would you say about75% covered.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I would say more than that.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Maybe a little more.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, 80%, but it's a therapy to me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, 80%, but it's a therapy to me.
Yeah, I've tried so throughoutthe past several years.
I've tried all kinds ofdifferent therapy, but what
would you say to people that saythat Tattoo?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
therapy.
I do think it is a type oftherapy for somebody, the
clientele receiving them, andfor the artists sometimes too,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But you're not a therapist.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But we're not therapists.
You know People come in andthey get tattoos, sometimes for
grief, sometimes to be seen,sometimes because they need to
be.
They're pushing that life alittle bit.
You know they want to lookdifferent, they want to be seen
in a different fashion, theywant to have a statement.
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It's a statement thing in life.
You know what I mean and Ireally enjoy that aspect of it
too.
You know people getting atattoo for their loved one who
passed, or just people gettingtattoos because it looks dope
and honoring the aspects ofculture and art and continuing
to keep the tattoo ball rollingthat's dope, but it is
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definitely a statement withinyour life where it's just like,
yeah, this is a permanent thingthat I'm doing that will last
forever from this day and I willremember it.
That's why it's a good thing to.
You know, be wise and not be.
It's not a fix, you know, it'sjust uh.
You know it's like a littledrink or something after you had
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a hard day.
You know what I'm saying, butit's a bigger drink.
You know what I mean.
It's a, an endorphin release.
You know.
You come to us, you sit downand there's anticipation.
There's uh, the setup and you.
There's a battle of will withinyour, your mentality, and,
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depending on what kind of pieceyou're getting, and whether it
be a small one or a large one,there's a bit of pain that comes
with it too, and that's wherepeople you know that pain either
takes you away for a minute andallows you to think about
something differently.
Offers maybe your husband toldyou you can't get no tattoos,
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and you know you now divorcedand you want to get some tattoos
, like, and you feel like youknow you've been released and
it's that piece of freedom, likethat's dope to me.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, come getthat shit.
You should have never let himchoose for you in the first
place.
But now you're rewritingsomething and that's dope.
It's a statement I'm taking myshit, I'm in control of my life.
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It's going against the statusquo as well.
It's not just fucking lightinga candle and sending it down the
stream.
It's a little bit heavier thanthat.
You know what I mean andnothing.
No disrespect to any of theritualistic shits out there.
You know like, but I had aclient one time.
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You know she had her husband hadhad a horrific accident
off-road accident and passedaway, and I had, you know, spoke
to her several times over andyou know they were having
problems and they were workingon things and then boom, just
one day he was gone, and youknow she I doubt that she will
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ever hear this.
So I feel okay, you know what Imean Speaking on this.
She wanted to get the bruisestattooed on her that she had
suffered from the accident and Ididn't do it.
I was like nah, nah, because Ididn't want to use the tattoo to
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be a constant reminder of her,one of her most traumatic days.
And so, as a tattoo artist, youalso have a responsibility as
well as not to overstep.
You know what I mean.
Like someone having a bad daytries to come in and get a
little bit of tattoo therapy andthey want, man, fuck,
everything on their forehead.
You know what I mean.
Are you really gonna do thatshit?
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Like, come on, man, is thismotherfucker having a bad day?
As a tattoo artist, you have aresponsibility to not push
people over the edge or to dothings in a fashion where it's
going to be obtrusive to theirlifestyle after they're done
with you.
You know.
So it's important.
It's important to be mindful,and tattooists know that that's
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part of an apprenticeship, youknow, if you didn't get an
apprenticeship, that's that shityou're missing.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, there's certain tattooartists that are like, yeah, I'm
going to tattoo him on the face, that's a client for life.
You know what I'm saying.
But if you're young and youain't got no tattoos and you
know, then that's not somethingthat I think that you should do
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or that I'm gonna be a part of.
I I had a experience where thisyoungster wanted to get a tattoo
on her face and she was likepushing me walk-in tattoo.
I'm working at another shop andI ran it around the shop to the
other artists to ask theirperspective.
You know some were in, somewere out.
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You know some were like fuck it.
You know that's her decisionand I ended up doing it and I
felt good about it.
The tattoo looked good.
I'll post a picture of thattattoo so you guys can see it.
And at the end of it, you knowthe pressure of going up to the
getting the face tattoo was abig deal.
(15:53):
But as soon as we finished thetattoo and it was all done like
it really wasn't that big of adeal, it wasn't.
So, yeah, I don't know why Iended that story like that.
But yeah, it wasn't that big ofa deal at the end of the day.
It's people that make it a bigdeal.
You know, nobody cares ifyou're fucking.
(16:14):
Uh, one of your fuckingfingernails is too long and it's
not gonna destroy somebody'suniverse, so why the fuck would
they care about your face tattooor a pimple on your face?
It's just society's fuckingstance on that shit.
But I'm going way intosomething that's okay and I like
.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I like the way you filter that out.
Yeah, and that's that's.
That's what you have to do asthe artist.
Now a couple different things.
I I always considered you,since the time I met you, a
professional artist I appreciatethat.
When did that click for you?
When did you consider yourselfa professional artist or a
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professional tattoo artist?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I consider myself a professional when I stop having
to worry about the basics oftattooing.
When my gradients were nice andsmooth, there were no chatter
marks in them, my line work wassaturated all the way through
and edges were clean on bothsides and I was able to draw the
techniques that I was oncebefore tracing.
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So once I got to the pointwhere I could draw a dragon and
I was drawing things onto skinand if I was losing a stencil I
could just grab a Sharpie andput that, that those elements,
back in.
And I still use a very strongstencil just because I believe
in going in as much as Ipossibly can, like setting
myself up for success as I tryand eliminate all the bullshit
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in the homework before thetattoo.
Did I answer that?
You answered it perfectly, okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
When I was considering asking you the
question if you consideredyourself a therapist or not.
I was bearing the likeness frommy time in therapy.
Uh, so for me it it took, ittook a breakdown for me to start
going to therapy.
Hopefully, hopefully people cancatch that they're slipping
(18:18):
before they ask for help.
Man that's, and we can.
Well, I'm sure we'll have awhole episode on that, but I was
considering that because I feltso, so and I already had
tattoos.
So tattoos, I wasn't scared ofgetting tattoos, but I felt
vulnerable going in to therapy,going in to therapy, since we we
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brought up some, bringing insome uh, new people, uh, some
new, uh, not only guests, butpeople to get tattooed by you,
and we're kind of talking abouthow vulnerable they are going
getting that tattoo.
So that was the likeness that Iconsidered was the two are very
much the same and they'retrusting this tattoo, this art,
to you.
You're in a very depending onwhere that tattoo's at you could
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be.
You'd be sitting wide open, uh,and as many times as I've
gotten tattooed by you,sometimes I felt more more
vulnerable than others.
I even fell asleep a couple oftimes and some people say, yeah,
they have that ability to zoneout and fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, that's just cool.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And I told you.
I said I felt so comfortablewith you that day and the
position I was in, so that's whyI bared the likeness and that's
my piece on it why I bear thelikeness, and that's my piece on
it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Going to sleep in a tattoo is, like you know,
falling asleep in a car whensomebody else is driving.
You really got to trust themand what it is that they're
doing.
I'm not falling asleep inanybody's car period.
You know what I mean, unlessI've sat with you for a few
times, because I know thatyou're not crazy.
You know what mean and I cantrust you.
Um, yeah, yeah, I posted thatpicture too, of the face tat, so
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go ahead and check that out.
Bmainkstudios, you know, uh, no, no, at bmaink there, you go on
Instagram, uh, and it should beup on the uh, the uh Instagram
for the podcast too.
As a matter of fact, go followthat.
Go follow the podcast too.
As a matter of fact, go followthat.
Go follow the podcast at.
What is it?
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
B2Z podcast.
Boom.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
There you go, guys.
There was one more story that Iwas thinking that I wanted to
bring up real quick as far aslike trauma within it.
And then I was thinking, but Iwas trying to listen, but I
might be gone and then I wasthinking, but I was trying to
listen, but I might be gone,drama with that.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay, so itcould be generational.
You know, as a tattoo artist,you tattoo families.
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You know, it's a really weirdrelationship that you have into
people's lives because they,because they trust you, they
bring you into their you knowtheir secrets and all of the
things that make them them, youknow because they want you to
create for them.
So they give you themselves,you know, and they offer you
transparency in this honestrelationship because they want
to trust you and they don't wantto fucking piss you off.
(21:16):
They don't like you're myartist, dude.
Like you cool, you know there'sa little bit of coolness to it,
which is the same for artiststoo.
Like, as a tattoo artist, wefeel the same way about other
artists Like damn, thatmotherfucker is cool.
You know, it's like fuck, andthat's why we go get their art
as well.
So it's not just from a client'sperspective, like, and
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tattooers use it for trauma aswell.
Tattooers use it for trauma aswell.
You know, we were once clientsat one point, you know, and then
we became tattooers.
Some of us will say we wereborn tattooers.
And yeah, you were probablyborn in tattoo lineage.
My kids will be born in tattoolineage and stuff like that.
But until they do anapprenticeship they're not
tattooers.
You know what I mean.
And until they put their timein, they're not tattooers.
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Trauma, though, yeah, it's agood one.
I feel like when people come inand you know a lot of it is
relationship stuff and they wantlike say they want a name, like
oh, I fucked up, I want to getmy girlfriend's name and stuff
like that, and they want to putit on their chest.
I won't do it.
I won't do it.
(22:22):
I'm like hell nah, bro, like uhuh.
You simping, like you pushingme to do some dumb shit with you
.
You know what I mean and Idon't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I don't want to be a part of this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I'm an accessory to this whack shit that you
bringing me into.
I'm not a fan of that shit.
Like we over here doing stupidshit on behalf of your lady who
probably tripping for no reason,like I would love to take your
money.
But, god dang, I got integrityas far as that stuff.
Or maybe it's not integrity,it's just my habits of like what
does this?
(22:52):
Do you want to put it on?
It's just like you tripping.
Put it somewhere else where youcan hide it.
I don't know.
I feel like certain places onon the body mean have a
different weight to me.
You know, yeah, you know, yeah,yeah, yeah, it's just like you
don't get a kid's portrait onyour ass.
(23:12):
Yeah, I got my son.
You know where'd you put?
I put it on my ass.
Why.
Why don't you put on your ass?
Because that's kind of rude.
You know what I mean.
Like that's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Just like we discussed with.
I have a Simpsons leg sleevethat Brandon is currently
working on.
We have one borderline one, Iwould say it's Marge in a beer
mug.
She's in a swimsuit.
Those are totally covered.
We thought about that a lot.
(23:43):
Going into it.
He wanted to make it all leasttrashy as possible.
Yes.
It just seems that we remember.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I feel like when you're doing cartoons, making
them overly sexual is kind ofweird man you know, what I mean.
It's like, man, you got to betasteful with the things that
you do.
They either got to look likeadults Like you got to get out
of.
You got to draw them a littlebit out of the cartoon stage,
Unless you're fucking doingtraditional and you're just a
fucking kook and you're doingodd shit.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Unless it is on your butt right.
Like it's on your butt,Nobody's seen it all the time.
It should look a little weird.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
If it's on your butt, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Just because I feel like that's a weird spot.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You could go off a little bit like some titties or
some shit like that.
You know you can go off alittle bit on the butt.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
For me.
He knows I wear shorts all thetime.
My legs are constantly beingseen.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And I don't want people looking at him like he's
a creep man.
Like you know, it's got.
Yes, we can do the things weneed to do, but I see some cool
ass tattoos out there, like thetrippy bar, and you know those
are sick, they're dope, but forwhat it is, and I'm trying to
portray a part of my people, andthat's why it's important to
know your people, so you don'tgive them something that's out
of their realm or something thatthey won't be proud of.
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I always think about where theperson is headed and then I draw
too.
You know, like when they old ashell, like I still don't want
them to enjoy this tattoo.
I don't want them to look at itlike, oh man, I got this when I
was blah, blah, blah.
You know I want them to be likeyeah, that shit's still tight.
Yeah, that's dope, right?
Yeah, look at this shit.
Look at that Panther rightthere, boy, you know, put him in
(25:27):
the headlock, get over here,motherfucker.
You know shit like that.
So where are we at?
What's our topic?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I think we're at roundup.
I think we're at again.
I'll put that out there for allthe listeners.
We're at 25 minutes, just soyou know.
Okay, I may or may not editthat out, just so you know,
(25:55):
because I like the sweet spot.
We're at right now 20 to 40minutes.
Okay.
I feel like people are going toget sick of us or we're beating
a dead horse.
I don't want to beat a topic todeath.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, I want to hear more from you, man.
I feel like I was talking thewhole time.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up.
I'll bring up the quote then.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Oh you felt that way too.
I got the quote.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, he's like I felt that way too I, I want to
introduce myself.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Go ahead, one of my nieces is working on a school
project and Queen Elizabeth isher topic and she was telling me
a bunch of facts about WinstonChurchill.
I got a quote from WinstonChurchill.
It goes Success is stumblingfrom failure to failure with no
(26:39):
loss of enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
How do you feel about that?
Success is stumbling fromfailure to failure with no loss
of enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
How do you feel about that Success is stumbling from
failure to failure with no lossof what Enthusiasm.
Success, yeah, yes, he saidsuccesses.
I mean shit, that's a good one,but I need to see results.
I'm not just going to keepstumbling from one thing to the
(27:04):
next.
No, I'm successful.
I know, I got to see results.
Yes, maybe I made it out of itand I'm able to have another try
at it.
And that's where the success is.
It's like, because it does comeat weights.
I've tried several differentbusinesses and, with the idea of
, know, being an entrepreneur,like 100, like, like, let me try
(27:25):
this.
You know, like I know, you guysthink about that shit too.
You know, and you gotta, yougotta try it.
You can't just let it be anidea, just just like this
podcast, like it could have beenan idea, or and you're seeing
two dudes try it right now.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I mean, I'm not trying to toot our own horn or
anything but I mean I will say Iasked.
I asked him this question.
Yesterday the brandon gave me acall.
I said hey how many podcastersdo you know personally?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
yeah, what'd you say?
None, none.
Personally, that I know that'slike oh yeah, I do podcasts, I
don't.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I know a lot of people that, not a one that have
given me said that they'regonna try something like that,
but I don't know anybody.
We hit the both of us likeracing Formula One for you.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Oh yeah, formula One, dirt bikes.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm gas pedal man and we went off on idea, so yeah,
Give us feedback.
Give us a follow and let usknow what you think.
Any, any, uh anything else tosend us off with brennan?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
um, yeah, just keep being successful out there, guys
.
You know, from one thing to thenext, to the next, to the next,
don't get too caught up on thislife stuff that you're going
through.
Remember to to be human andtomorrow will be a good day.
If you're having a bad day,chin up, chest out.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
All right guys.
Thanks for listening.
This is Brandon Zach Sign off.
Thank you.
Good morning, welcome to B to Z.
It's Monday, 1027, 56 degreesand the freeways are flowing.
We wanted to start with alittle bit of feedback from the
last few episodes.
You know we've been testing andtrying to uh, smooth things out
(00:29):
so we can get a nice flow forthe podcast, and we took some
feedback from friends and familyand you know we appreciate that
too.
So always, we always want thatfeedback.
So whenever you get anopportunity to argue like
something, have an opinion, man,please express it to us because
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we love that.
So some of the feedback we gotwas you know, be funnier more
often and stuff like that.
And we're going to try to be.
You know, as long as it's notlike every other podcast.
It's got to be genuine.
You know I definitely don'twant you guys to know my fake
laugh.
You know what I mean Becausethen you're going to know like,
(01:10):
oh, that's his fake laugh, youknow when you get appointments
and whatnot.
But we'll try as long as it'sauthentic and there's something
funny.
You know what I mean.
Neither one of us are comedians,but we're funny.
You know what I mean.
I know what I mean.
Like we're.
Neither one of us are comedians, but we're funny.
You know what I mean.
I find myself very funny oncertain topics.
So just wait for that and bepatient.
You know we are trying todeliver a little bit of
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something as well.
You know, I do have Zach herewith me today.
Mr Batista, you know what I'msaying.
I forgot to bring my co-host in, but he's always here with me,
man.
If you hear me on the mic, youknow that he's here with me and
we can edit that into the front.
So welcome Zach.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, good morning.
So to continue with the initialfeedback, the initial reactions
, I got sound.
Sound was a big one and I knowyou and my conversation in the
beginning was let's let it roll.
So we're sitting right upagainst the 91 Freeway I don't
know if everyone knows that ornot.
91 Freeway in SouthernCalifornia, by the Tyler Street
(02:16):
exit.
We're recording at Brandon'sshop.
Yeah, in my studio.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
In his studio.
Yeah, and we're right next tothe freeway, big old panoramic
windows.
I call it the Urban River.
Everybody going to do theirthing.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And we didn't want to take away from that that.
I'll be honest In the beginningwe may tweak some things.
See how it goes.
See, maybe this episode oursound quality already will
improve.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah so let us know what you think about
that.
But it is noted that we areworking on the sound so that you
guys can hear every bit of ourvoices and it comes off very
clear and whatnot, and then I'llgo into kind of a mini rant if
you'll let me.
Oh yeah, go into a mini rant ifyou'll let me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh yeah, go into a mini rant.
So a question I was asked waswhat are you guys all about?
Are you guys going to sit hereand just bullshit the whole time
?
So I want to give our statementwhat we're all about, what
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we're trying to do.
We're two guys just trying todeliver our message as we see
through our lives.
We come from two differentbackgrounds, but we share a lot
of similarities.
We're for everyone.
We're for the blue-collarworker that's been working for
(03:47):
10 years at the job.
We're for the guy that just gothired day one.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, and it's going to be a little bit of everything
.
But if you if you see it asbullshit man, there's a lot of
other podcasts that you couldprobably really enjoy that are
not bullshit for you.
So, yeah, there are going to besome bullshit perspectives as
well.
You know what I'm saying.
Not to say that that's one, buteverybody has an acquired taste
(04:12):
.
You know, it is a little bitblue collar, but it's a little
bit of everything.
It's not that.
Oh, what is it?
I'm not here to give you onespecific thing.
I'm not here to give you onespecific thing.
I'm here to give you somethingto think about at the end of the
day.
So if you leave here and youdon't have something to think
about, then I failed you, youknow.
(04:32):
But as far as that direction,I'm not a therapist.
You know what I'm saying.
Zach was asking me thatquestion.
You know I jumped on it alittle earlier, but'm not a
therapist.
You know what I mean and Idon't want to be held
accountable for that, you know?
Um, just take the.
It's like I'm your homie givingyou a good advice, okay I like
it, I like to think we're.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I thought of this this morning.
I like to think we're e foreveryone, but we're also e for
fucking explicit.
So oh shit so kind of yeah,kind of kind of kind of watch
who you're listening to surroundyou.
If you got it on speaker, theremight be some things coming out
of left field.
Oh yeah, just based on what ourtopic is of the day, yeah, I
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like that one.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, it is not PC, you know, and these are my
opinions and his opinions.
You guys have some fucked upopinions too.
Don't act like you, don't youknow?
So when we go off and we aretruthful and honest and
transparent, don't try andcrucify us.
You know what I mean.
Just trying to understand ourperspective on situations rather
(05:41):
than turn into a little bitchand just start complaining.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I am, I am.
I am grateful for all thefeedback, though, as well as the
listens.
This morning we were at 67downloads and I'm grateful.
I'm really excited for that sofar, because we launched on
Friday, so we just had it goingover the weekend.
(06:06):
If you're not following ourInstagram or Facebook, it's at
BTO2Z podcast.
Again, we'd love to follow,like, share.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
What formats are we on right now For the podcast?
Yeah, yeah, where can you?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
find us, oh so we're also listed.
So I'm using uh for our mainsite.
Uh, it's called buzzsprout.
Uh, shout out.
Yeah, shout out, and I really,I, I read.
I read a lot of different uh,reviews on how to start a
podcast again.
We've never done this before,uh, so so bear with us and give
(06:47):
us please, please, give us thecomments.
But I'm using Buzzsprout andthey very easily let us put our
podcast on all the differentplatforms.
So right now we're on.
Apple.
Podcasts amazon music podcastindex.
Uh youtube I just got youtubeup up and running.
(07:07):
Iheart radio.
Uh podcast, attic, pod chaser,pocketcast, deezer, listen notes
and player fm as well, as wellas our site yeah, so back to the
back to that feedback.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I wanted to bring up one more thing and yes, we
appreciate that opinion as faras, like, what are we we're
developing is what we are we'redeveloping.
You know, we're not trying tobe one thing, we're trying to be
several things, and we're notdoing this to be seen in a
certain light, like oh, they aretherapists or they are this or
(07:43):
they are that Like man.
We're what you think we are.
You know what I mean Like.
So that's the answer to that.
One more piece of feedback, andthank you for that piece of
feedback, whoever that came from.
One more piece of feedback wasfrom my son, which I thought was
funny.
I played it for him in the caron the way home and he was dying
.
He was laughing.
I guess I had a little funnylaugh in there or something like
(08:04):
that, and he was just rolling.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
He was clowning on you.
Yeah, he was clowning, he wasclowning.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So that's cool.
You know I'll be a fool at hislittle expense just to hear him
laugh.
So you know I love that just tohear him laugh.
But he said we should have ascript and that he wanted to try
to write one of the scripts.
So we'll let you know when thathappens too.
We'll let you know what hisframing is, and when that
(08:33):
happens and how it sounds too.
I think that'll be a coollittle experiment.
I'm like oh yeah, this is theone that miles wrote.
Do you know what I mean?
Shout out to you miles.
Thank you for your feedback.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So, wrapping that up, we we would like to put out
this podcast weekly.
We'd like to center it aroundmental health, but we're going
to go off on tangents.
Another one quick shout out,just because I have it up.
I've been using Adobe Auditionfor our mixing.
(09:06):
I've learned how to use thatand I've been burning through a
bunch of YouTube tutorials.
Gotta love YouTube tutorials.
Yeah.
It's not like looking at theencyclopedia or anything.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I like the tutorials, but the rewinding and all of
that Crucial, yeah, that'sannoying.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So Mike Murphy Cole was one Author I was listening
to on there, and then MikeRussell, that was another one on
there, and I'll post those onour Instagram later this week as
well.
Right, but shout out to thoseguys, man, it's because of you
(09:44):
guys, it's because of you In twoweeks I learned how to do this
Keep putting that good shit outthere.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Appreciate everyone's patience.
So bring us in, zach, let's getback to that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I like where we're at in the therapist.
So I've heard a lot thattattooing is therapy.
Tattooing is like a therapy,tattoo therapy, and I myself
being what would you say about75% covered.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I would say more than that.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Maybe a little more.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, 80%, but it's a therapy to me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah, 80%, but it's a therapy to me.
Yeah, I've tried so throughoutthe past several years.
I've tried all kinds ofdifferent therapy, but what
would you say to people that saythat Tattoo?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
therapy.
I do think it is a type oftherapy for somebody, the
clientele receiving them, andfor the artists sometimes too,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But you're not a therapist.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But we're not therapists.
You know People come in andthey get tattoos, sometimes for
grief, sometimes to be seen,sometimes because they need to
be.
They're pushing that life alittle bit.
You know they want to lookdifferent, they want to be seen
in a different fashion, theywant to have a statement.
(11:12):
It's a statement thing in life.
You know what I mean and Ireally enjoy that aspect of it
too.
You know people getting atattoo for their loved one who
passed, or just people gettingtattoos because it looks dope
and honoring the aspects ofculture and art and continuing
to keep the tattoo ball rollingthat's dope, but it is
(11:35):
definitely a statement withinyour life where it's just like,
yeah, this is a permanent thingthat I'm doing that will last
forever from this day and I willremember it.
That's why it's a good thing to.
You know, be wise and not be.
It's not a fix, you know, it'sjust uh.
You know it's like a littledrink or something after you had
(11:56):
a hard day.
You know what I'm saying, butit's a bigger drink.
You know what I mean.
It's a, an endorphin release.
You know.
You come to us, you sit downand there's anticipation.
There's uh, the setup and you.
There's a battle of will withinyour, your mentality, and,
(12:18):
depending on what kind of pieceyou're getting, and whether it
be a small one or a large one,there's a bit of pain that comes
with it too, and that's wherepeople you know that pain either
takes you away for a minute andallows you to think about
something differently.
Offers maybe your husband toldyou you can't get no tattoos,
(12:39):
and you know you now divorcedand you want to get some tattoos
, like, and you feel like youknow you've been released and
it's that piece of freedom, likethat's dope to me.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, come getthat shit.
You should have never let himchoose for you in the first
place.
But now you're rewritingsomething and that's dope.
It's a statement I'm taking myshit, I'm in control of my life.
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It's going against the statusquo as well.
It's not just fucking lightinga candle and sending it down the
stream.
It's a little bit heavier thanthat.
You know what I mean andnothing.
No disrespect to any of theritualistic shits out there.
You know like, but I had aclient one time.
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You know she had her husband hadhad a horrific accident
off-road accident and passedaway, and I had, you know, spoke
to her several times over andyou know they were having
problems and they were workingon things and then boom, just
one day he was gone, and youknow she I doubt that she will
(13:45):
ever hear this.
So I feel okay, you know what Imean Speaking on this.
She wanted to get the bruisestattooed on her that she had
suffered from the accident and Ididn't do it.
I was like nah, nah, because Ididn't want to use the tattoo to
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be a constant reminder of her,one of her most traumatic days.
And so, as a tattoo artist, youalso have a responsibility as
well as not to overstep.
You know what I mean.
Like someone having a bad daytries to come in and get a
little bit of tattoo therapy andthey want, man, fuck,
everything on their forehead.
You know what I mean.
Are you really gonna do thatshit?
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Like, come on, man, is thismotherfucker having a bad day?
As a tattoo artist, you have aresponsibility to not push
people over the edge or to dothings in a fashion where it's
going to be obtrusive to theirlifestyle after they're done
with you.
You know.
So it's important.
It's important to be mindful,and tattooists know that that's
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part of an apprenticeship, youknow, if you didn't get an
apprenticeship, that's that shityou're missing.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, there's certain tattooartists that are like, yeah, I'm
going to tattoo him on the face, that's a client for life.
You know what I'm saying.
But if you're young and youain't got no tattoos and you
know, then that's not somethingthat I think that you should do
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or that I'm gonna be a part of.
I I had a experience where thisyoungster wanted to get a tattoo
on her face and she was likepushing me walk-in tattoo.
I'm working at another shop andI ran it around the shop to the
other artists to ask theirperspective.
You know some were in, somewere out.
(15:32):
You know some were like fuck it.
You know that's her decisionand I ended up doing it and I
felt good about it.
The tattoo looked good.
I'll post a picture of thattattoo so you guys can see it.
And at the end of it, you knowthe pressure of going up to the
getting the face tattoo was abig deal.
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But as soon as we finished thetattoo and it was all done like
it really wasn't that big of adeal, it wasn't.
So, yeah, I don't know why Iended that story like that.
But yeah, it wasn't that big ofa deal at the end of the day.
It's people that make it a bigdeal.
You know, nobody cares ifyou're fucking.
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Uh, one of your fuckingfingernails is too long and it's
not gonna destroy somebody'suniverse, so why the fuck would
they care about your face tattooor a pimple on your face?
It's just society's fuckingstance on that shit.
But I'm going way intosomething that's okay and I like
.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I like the way you filter that out.
Yeah, and that's that's.
That's what you have to do asthe artist.
Now a couple different things.
I I always considered you,since the time I met you, a
professional artist I appreciatethat.
When did that click for you?
When did you consider yourselfa professional artist or a
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professional tattoo artist?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I consider myself a professional when I stop having
to worry about the basics oftattooing.
When my gradients were nice andsmooth, there were no chatter
marks in them, my line work wassaturated all the way through
and edges were clean on bothsides and I was able to draw the
techniques that I was oncebefore tracing.
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So once I got to the pointwhere I could draw a dragon and
I was drawing things onto skinand if I was losing a stencil I
could just grab a Sharpie andput that, that those elements,
back in.
And I still use a very strongstencil just because I believe
in going in as much as Ipossibly can, like setting
myself up for success as I tryand eliminate all the bullshit
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in the homework before thetattoo.
Did I answer that?
You answered it perfectly, okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
When I was considering asking you the
question if you consideredyourself a therapist or not.
I was bearing the likeness frommy time in therapy.
Uh, so for me it it took, ittook a breakdown for me to start
going to therapy.
Hopefully, hopefully people cancatch that they're slipping
(18:18):
before they ask for help.
Man that's, and we can.
Well, I'm sure we'll have awhole episode on that, but I was
considering that because I feltso, so and I already had
tattoos.
So tattoos, I wasn't scared ofgetting tattoos, but I felt
vulnerable going in to therapy,going in to therapy, since we we
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brought up some, bringing insome uh, new people, uh, some
new, uh, not only guests, butpeople to get tattooed by you,
and we're kind of talking abouthow vulnerable they are going
getting that tattoo.
So that was the likeness that Iconsidered was the two are very
much the same and they'retrusting this tattoo, this art,
to you.
You're in a very depending onwhere that tattoo's at you could
(19:13):
be.
You'd be sitting wide open, uh,and as many times as I've
gotten tattooed by you,sometimes I felt more more
vulnerable than others.
I even fell asleep a couple oftimes and some people say, yeah,
they have that ability to zoneout and fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, that's just cool.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And I told you.
I said I felt so comfortablewith you that day and the
position I was in, so that's whyI bared the likeness and that's
my piece on it why I bear thelikeness, and that's my piece on
it.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Going to sleep in a tattoo is, like you know,
falling asleep in a car whensomebody else is driving.
You really got to trust themand what it is that they're
doing.
I'm not falling asleep inanybody's car period.
You know what I mean, unlessI've sat with you for a few
times, because I know thatyou're not crazy.
You know what mean and I cantrust you.
Um, yeah, yeah, I posted thatpicture too, of the face tat, so
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go ahead and check that out.
Bmainkstudios, you know, uh, no, no, at bmaink there, you go on
Instagram, uh, and it should beup on the uh, the uh Instagram
for the podcast too.
As a matter of fact, go followthat.
Go follow the podcast too.
As a matter of fact, go followthat.
Go follow the podcast at.
What is it?
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
B2Z podcast.
Boom.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
There you go, guys.
There was one more story that Iwas thinking that I wanted to
bring up real quick as far aslike trauma within it.
And then I was thinking, but Iwas trying to listen, but I
might be gone and then I wasthinking, but I was trying to
listen, but I might be gone,drama with that.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay, so itcould be generational.
You know, as a tattoo artist,you tattoo families.
(20:56):
You know, it's a really weirdrelationship that you have into
people's lives because they,because they trust you, they
bring you into their you knowtheir secrets and all of the
things that make them them, youknow because they want you to
create for them.
So they give you themselves,you know, and they offer you
transparency in this honestrelationship because they want
to trust you and they don't wantto fucking piss you off.
(21:16):
They don't like you're myartist, dude.
Like you cool, you know there'sa little bit of coolness to it,
which is the same for artiststoo.
Like, as a tattoo artist, wefeel the same way about other
artists Like damn, thatmotherfucker is cool.
You know, it's like fuck, andthat's why we go get their art
as well.
So it's not just from a client'sperspective, like, and
(21:37):
tattooers use it for trauma aswell.
Tattooers use it for trauma aswell.
You know, we were once clientsat one point, you know, and then
we became tattooers.
Some of us will say we wereborn tattooers.
And yeah, you were probablyborn in tattoo lineage.
My kids will be born in tattoolineage and stuff like that.
But until they do anapprenticeship they're not
tattooers.
You know what I mean.
And until they put their timein, they're not tattooers.
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Trauma, though, yeah, it's agood one.
I feel like when people come inand you know a lot of it is
relationship stuff and they wantlike say they want a name, like
oh, I fucked up, I want to getmy girlfriend's name and stuff
like that, and they want to putit on their chest.
I won't do it.
I won't do it.
(22:22):
I'm like hell nah, bro, like uhuh.
You simping, like you pushingme to do some dumb shit with you
.
You know what I mean and Idon't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I don't want to be a part of this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I'm an accessory to this whack shit that you
bringing me into.
I'm not a fan of that shit.
Like we over here doing stupidshit on behalf of your lady who
probably tripping for no reason,like I would love to take your
money.
But, god dang, I got integrityas far as that stuff.
Or maybe it's not integrity,it's just my habits of like what
does this?
(22:52):
Do you want to put it on?
It's just like you tripping.
Put it somewhere else where youcan hide it.
I don't know.
I feel like certain places onon the body mean have a
different weight to me.
You know, yeah, you know, yeah,yeah, yeah, it's just like you
don't get a kid's portrait onyour ass.
(23:12):
Yeah, I got my son.
You know where'd you put?
I put it on my ass.
Why.
Why don't you put on your ass?
Because that's kind of rude.
You know what I mean.
Like that's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Just like we discussed with.
I have a Simpsons leg sleevethat Brandon is currently
working on.
We have one borderline one, Iwould say it's Marge in a beer
mug.
She's in a swimsuit.
Those are totally covered.
We thought about that a lot.
(23:43):
Going into it.
He wanted to make it all leasttrashy as possible.
Yes.
It just seems that we remember.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I feel like when you're doing cartoons, making
them overly sexual is kind ofweird man you know, what I mean.
It's like, man, you got to betasteful with the things that
you do.
They either got to look likeadults Like you got to get out
of.
You got to draw them a littlebit out of the cartoon stage,
Unless you're fucking doingtraditional and you're just a
fucking kook and you're doingodd shit.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Unless it is on your butt right.
Like it's on your butt,Nobody's seen it all the time.
It should look a little weird.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
If it's on your butt, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Just because I feel like that's a weird spot.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You could go off a little bit like some titties or
some shit like that.
You know you can go off alittle bit on the butt.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
For me.
He knows I wear shorts all thetime.
My legs are constantly beingseen.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And I don't want people looking at him like he's
a creep man.
Like you know, it's got.
Yes, we can do the things weneed to do, but I see some cool
ass tattoos out there, like thetrippy bar, and you know those
are sick, they're dope, but forwhat it is, and I'm trying to
portray a part of my people, andthat's why it's important to
know your people, so you don'tgive them something that's out
of their realm or something thatthey won't be proud of.
(25:05):
I always think about where theperson is headed and then I draw
too.
You know, like when they old ashell, like I still don't want
them to enjoy this tattoo.
I don't want them to look at itlike, oh man, I got this when I
was blah, blah, blah.
You know I want them to be likeyeah, that shit's still tight.
Yeah, that's dope, right?
Yeah, look at this shit.
Look at that Panther rightthere, boy, you know, put him in
(25:27):
the headlock, get over here,motherfucker.
You know shit like that.
So where are we at?
What's our topic?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I think we're at roundup.
I think we're at again.
I'll put that out there for allthe listeners.
We're at 25 minutes, just soyou know.
Okay, I may or may not editthat out, just so you know,
(25:55):
because I like the sweet spot.
We're at right now 20 to 40minutes.
Okay.
I feel like people are going toget sick of us or we're beating
a dead horse.
I don't want to beat a topic todeath.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, I want to hear more from you, man.
I feel like I was talking thewhole time.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Well, I'm glad you brought that up.
I'll bring up the quote then.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Oh you felt that way too.
I got the quote.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, he's like I felt that way too I, I want to
introduce myself.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Go ahead, one of my nieces is working on a school
project and Queen Elizabeth isher topic and she was telling me
a bunch of facts about WinstonChurchill.
I got a quote from WinstonChurchill.
It goes Success is stumblingfrom failure to failure with no
(26:39):
loss of enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
How do you feel about that?
Success is stumbling fromfailure to failure with no loss
of enthusiasm.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
How do you feel about that Success is stumbling from
failure to failure with no lossof what Enthusiasm.
Success, yeah, yes, he saidsuccesses.
I mean shit, that's a good one,but I need to see results.
I'm not just going to keepstumbling from one thing to the
(27:04):
next.
No, I'm successful.
I know, I got to see results.
Yes, maybe I made it out of itand I'm able to have another try
at it.
And that's where the success is.
It's like, because it does comeat weights.
I've tried several differentbusinesses and, with the idea of
, know, being an entrepreneur,like 100, like, like, let me try
(27:25):
this.
You know, like I know, you guysthink about that shit too.
You know, and you gotta, yougotta try it.
You can't just let it be anidea, just just like this
podcast, like it could have beenan idea, or and you're seeing
two dudes try it right now.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I mean, I'm not trying to toot our own horn or
anything but I mean I will say Iasked.
I asked him this question.
Yesterday the brandon gave me acall.
I said hey how many podcastersdo you know personally?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
yeah, what'd you say?
None, none.
Personally, that I know that'slike oh yeah, I do podcasts, I
don't.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I know a lot of people that, not a one that have
given me said that they'regonna try something like that,
but I don't know anybody.
We hit the both of us likeracing Formula One for you.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Oh yeah, formula One, dirt bikes.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm gas pedal man and we went off on idea, so yeah,
Give us feedback.
Give us a follow and let usknow what you think.
Any, any, uh anything else tosend us off with brennan?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
um, yeah, just keep being successful out there, guys
.
You know, from one thing to thenext, to the next, to the next,
don't get too caught up on thislife stuff that you're going
through.
Remember to to be human andtomorrow will be a good day.
If you're having a bad day,chin up, chest out.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
All right guys.
Thanks for listening.
This is Brandon Zach Sign off.
Thank you.
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