Inking Life: Stories and Stigma with Nicholas Reichel

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Ever find yourself captivated by the colorful stories behind a person's tattoos? Nicholas Reichel joins me, bringing a kaleidoscope of anecdotes from his life as a canvas of ink. We journey from the humorous to the profound, as Nick peels back the layers of stigma attached to his extensive tattoos, even those gracing his face. From his first mark of rebellion in juvenile hall to becoming a seasoned collector, Nick's narrative is a testament to the profound connection and transformation that comes with every etched line.

Embark with us as we tread through the gritty path of a tattoo apprentice, confronting the trials and tribulations that shape the artists of this craft. I'll regale you with tales of resilience, from apprentices standing up against peer pressure to the mentors who push them to their limits. Our discussion traverses the boundaries of tattooing, from comical musings on inking the uninkable to the nuances of identity politics that intertwine with the art on our skin. We don't just scratch the surface; we explore the depths of what it means to wear your story.

As we wrap up, I reflect on the societal perceptions that often accompany my own face tattoos, sharing personal insights on fatherhood and how it's reshaped my perspectives. From the potential of AI in designing tattoos to a heartfelt discourse on identity and self-expression, our chat is as multifaceted as the ink that adorns us. Join us for a candid look into the lives touched by the tattoo needle, through laughter, earnest conversation, and the unexpected tales in between.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Good morning, actually good evening, good
evening, good evening, hello,hello, hello.
This is Zach Batista with theB2Z podcast, along with my
co-host, as always, brandon May.
Hey, what's up everybody, andtoday special guest Nicholas
Riekel.
I didn't do too bad on that itdon't matter, and how because

(00:32):
you explained that to me already.
What is, what's the origin ofyour last name?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
okay, so we don't really know.
Um, the legend has it that somy dad's family's from finland I
don't know exactly like thetown or some shit but his like
uncles and like great unclesended up in the I can like ended

(01:00):
up running with the russianarmy and their last name was
lions.
But when they entered thedungeon it was uh, I guess it's
now that abomination of the lastname, um, but it was like Reich
or something along those lines.
And so when they came fromFinland, um, they didn't want to

(01:24):
be associated with any bullshit, so they like added the E-L to
like Americanize it.
But now none of us know how tofucking pronounce that shit.
You know, I don't, I just I gowith what my mom's told me my
whole life.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
And I'll spell it for everyone.
So it's R-E-Yi.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
R e I, c, h, c, h e l e l, that's how you spell it.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Um, yeah, but I thought that was.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I thought that was a cool little and it's actually
unique last name and if there'sany assassins, don't come find
me because of my last name.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
There you go, there you go.
So today I wanted to bring Nickon.
Man, he's one of these peoplethat we always talk.
I've tattooed Nick since thebeginning of my apprenticeship.
He has some of my first fewtattoos that we always laugh
about.
He always makes fun of me, ofthis switchblade mosquito.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's a cock fly dude.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
The switchblade mosquito that I thought was so
fire that it's just absolutelyhorrible.
I'll put a picture up of it soyou guys can laugh at me, but
he's been around in my careersince the beginning days.
Every time we talk, every timewe get in a session together, we
have a great time.
I see him in the most peculiarsituations.

(02:48):
I remember this one time I wasdriving behind burlington coat
factory and he was back theregetting ready to beat up some,
some bombs, some bombs.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Dude, I threw change out, I'm driving by with my dad.
Yeah, and they wanted to fightand this fool pulled up on me.
It was like.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I was like hey, what are doing?
I was like 19,.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
dude, he's like I'm about to fuck up these vows.
His dad's all like, hey, what'sup?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's all casual, just chilling.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, he used to bring me plates from the little
synagogue and stuff like that,like the bombest plates from at
the end of the shot.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, he's with the.
Yeah, I don't know how I cameabout because I was like I don't
, I don't think I was like beatenough.
Yeah, dude, like my parents arecool, but like I came up as
like fucking rowdiest dickheadon the planet right.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
As you guys know, uh b to z podcast is about life,
arts and culture, tattoo, uh,industry all of the things that
we're interested in and uhprovocative conversations.
We wanted to bring Nick ontoday to kind of with a topic
and that's a stigma.
Nick is heavily tattooed.
Maybe you know 90 percent ofhis body is covered with tattoos

(03:56):
.
About 90 percent of his face iscovered with tattoos, and we
just wanted to bring him on togive his perspective of the
stigma of tattoos, of someonewho has been heavily tattooed
for a long time, not when it wasjust cool, you know what I mean
.
Like he's been doing this for along time.
He's been a collector inRiverside County and gotten work

(04:20):
by all of the greats out here.
So here's Nick hello, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
What was your by all of?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
the greats out here.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
So here's Nick, hello , hello, yeah, yeah, well, take
us into that.
What was your first tattoo?
What was your most memorabletattoo?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I think in like juvenile hall.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I got the inside of my lip tattooed.
That's horrible.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
You still there, still there.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, still, there Looks great my dude great my
dude honestly, so let me take apicture so they can see.
Yeah, yeah, there we gofantastic um, so shout out to my
boy, zachary peacock.
He actually gave me my veryfirst tattoo in his living room.
It was a.
It was a pair of fuckinggrenades.

(05:07):
Um, I think I was like 16 wejust interviewed him I love that
, I love him, um, but hehonestly got me started and then
, um, you know, when I turned 18, I like sold drugs and like
saved up money and I started myI'm not going to say the shop,

(05:28):
cause those are the ops, butthey started my sleeves.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Um, but, dude, they did like 80% of, like my, like
my upper torso, you know.
And then, um, some shithappened and I ended up at a gym
workshop and what's that rogueelephant at the time?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
No, it was still Elizabeth street.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Okay, and I think Dylan, my buddy Dylan, was
getting tattooed and I ended upjust like venturing in cause.
I've known Jim since he was atElectric Chair and that shit was
like 20 years ago.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Dylan like rapping.
Dylan, the white boy, the tallwhite boy.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Dylan, yeah, yeah, dylan Russell, I love you if
you're listening, yeah yeah,he's good people go ahead so I
sit down with Jim and I'm likewhat the fuck?
So he ended up doing my feet,some of my first tattoos on my
face.
God damn it.
Jennifer listening.

(06:31):
Finish my bag, dude, but I got,I got a bag that I need to do.
You know it's like half done.
Jim is dope.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh yeah, we ran to him the other day too.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, we're going to have Jim more fun.
His episode is going to beabout arts and culture and stuff
like that.
He did my whole stomach.
Yeah, we got little man too.
We got his generation here withhim today.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Baby, you know, bring your baby to work today.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Right, we're family friendly, you know, even though
we're explicit in there.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Nah, dude.
So I just kind of ventured out.
Then I ended up meeting B b.
I didn't have really shit on mylegs and this from like
literally ankle to ass, thisdude's done, you know yeah, but
um yeah he still he.
He just recently did my gym itwas.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
What was it?
What was the first tattoo?
Um besides the so.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
So after that I didn't really do anything small.
I went like literally straightinto my smile, my biomechanical
arm and then for my cell drugsto pay for this.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I was so remember how much you paid then
um.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
So for my left arm I paid 2500 and it was straight up
front and it was four 10 hoursessions, okay.
And then it was my birthday andbecause I was going through him
, so much.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
What year was this?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Like 2009.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay, and Jim did this, or who?
No, I don't want to say who'sCraig, but he's a kid.
Yeah, but why?
And died?
Okay, and jim did this, or who?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
no, I don't want to say who's craig, but okay, okay
why, why?

Speaker 3 (08:11):
okay, so I used to like.
So I was supposed to apprenticeunder these dudes and this
woman and I was in college and,long story short, they bought
all these fucking tickets tolana del rey and I didn't fuck
with.
I don't fuck with that shityeah and so no, it wasn't lana,
because I fuck with her, it wasadele, and so they buy these

(08:31):
fire no, dog, don't sue me umbut so, anyways, I don't want to
go, but they pay like 500 forthese like front row tickets.
So with this money I buy afucking bike because I don't
have a car, yeah, you know.
So they like blacklisted me outof this shop and it's been like
50 fucking 2008, 2009, you know.
But, um, they did my chest,both arms, my hands, like my

(08:56):
neck, my whole neck.
Jim did.
Jim covered up craig's workactually, um, but yeah, so and
how do you?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
how do you feel about that?
Because I too, that's what weshare in common.
I feel like we're bothcollectors.
Uh-huh, I have gone todifferent artists too, so how do
you?
How to?
How does that transition comeabout, like when you go to
another artist?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
okay.
So, like, honestly, peoplewho've tattooed me have honestly
only been like close friends.
Okay, um, I've had like someapprentices through brandon,
tattoo me, but that's onlybecause it had brandon.
Like, if you, if, if it wasn'tbrandon, I wouldn't let fucking
random kids tattoo me.
You know what I mean?
He co-signed for it.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much and we appreciate that too.
You know he's been a pivotalpart in both of their
apprenticeships.
You know he was their firsttattoos and stuff.
Yeah, rip apprentices.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
But no, like it's.
It's honestly been like I'venever, I've never, walked into a
shop and not known somebody.
You know what I mean.
Like you won't find my fuckingass walking into a random shop.
You'd be like yo, what up?
Because I don't, I'm not, I'm,I'm from the fucking hood, dude,
like I stick with my people,you know, but um have you ever
been?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
uh, are you done?
Yeah, have you ever beendiscriminated against?
Like as for any of your tattoos?
Like because of my face tattoos?
Yeah, because of your facetattoos dude.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Just today.
So reagan's birthday istomorrow, so I walked through
walmart just to find like somelittle, like things to put in
this little bag.
You know, and this, this oldlady, comes down the aisle and
she sees me and she, she doeslike the left and the right and
like she, literally she leaves,she leaves her cart, and she

(10:46):
goes down the complete oppositeaisle and like starts to like
fucking look around, like whatthe fuck dude, like I'm not
gonna fucking rob you, but allthe time, like I have people ask
me all the time like do youwork, like how do you take care
of that baby?
and I'm like well, I have apretty good job.
You know, like I feel like it'snot, um, the way you look, it's

(11:07):
more of like the way youpresent yourself, and I mean
outside this place.
I'm not that big of a scumbag.
You know what I mean.
I just play one on the internet, do?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
you have any.
So you mentioned you have somecover-ups.
Do you have any tattoos thatyou regret all the way or that
you still want covered up?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
um, no, I have some that I want to finish, but not,
um, not technically.
Like dude, I'm not like okay,so people call it a collector.
Like I'm out here trying to putthe dumbest shit on my body,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Like let's collect something.
So right?
Not really, I feel like dude.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I got carrots tattooed on me but I feel like
the dumber the tattoo, thebetter.
You know what I mean becausetheir story.
So I got carrots tattooed on me, but I feel like the dumber the
tattoo, the better you knowwhat I mean, because their story
.
So I got stories, dude, like thenoose on my finger, like the
lights went out and he stilllike tattooed it and it's, it's
all fucked up, but it's stilllike a story behind it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but like the whole regretthing, like the tattoos, no,
because I'm still doing dumb assshit.

(12:01):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
so, not really what's the last tattoo you got?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
my chin.
You did my channel on on newyear's night, I think it was.
We were bored and somebody likeflaked on him and I've been
bugging him, dude, since, like ayear ago, like, hey, dude,
let's cap my chin.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know then I had drawn it up too, but I didn't he
wouldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
He's like it's fucking stupid dude.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
So on New Year's.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, I think it was, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, it might've been.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I don't remember you were tattooing the
chin yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Before that he did a big ass V on my shin.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
No yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Cause I'm Josh tattooed you.
And so did the other two.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
He's stupid bro.
He's laughing at theapprentices just because it
didn't work out.
There's stories behind that,but I'm not going into that
because it just doesn't showeverybody in their best light To
everybody listening.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I can walk into this man's shop and tell you the
first hour if you're going tomake it or not, and that's real
shit.
I know this guy like the backof my fucking hand.
So next apprentice, fuckinggood luck.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right and I use I use Nick in part of the journey for
my apprentices to test them.
That is his job within theapprenticeship is because you
know, know, they always want to.
When you let them tattoo, theybring in their family and
everybody's like, oh, you'reamazing, you're amazing and I
bring him in and he's going tobe like bro, like, hurry the

(13:33):
fuck up.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
You know what I mean.
Like, damn, like.
What are you doing?
Digging me out?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like so he, he's verbal, you know, and he's been
tattooed by many, so he knowsexactly where they should be.
He knows if they're too heavy.
He knows, you know, andsometimes he'll tell them and
then sometimes he won'tsometimes he'll fuck with them.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Sometimes he won't I think I, I think I got like the
like the last one, not josh, butthe last one fired because
because we're sitting dude, likeso we're sitting in the room
and he's like tattooing me andhe's taking fucking forever and
I'm like, hey, bro, give me themachine.
You don't fucking give nobodythe goddamn machine dude and
instead of tattooing myselfinstead of I tattoo some like

(14:13):
janky-ass shit on my leg andthen at the end he has to go and
explain it to this guy and he'slike fuck dude.
I'm like good luck, like Ialready know what's going to
happen.
Like within like the week hewas fucking fired.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Sorry dog.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm going back to you , brad.
I think you're more.
I think you're more militaryminded than you think.
You like inserting your littleincel operators, you know, just
to get you more detailed about aperson.
That's, that's, yeah that'spretty.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
If you're going to be tested, I want to.
I want it to be by somebodythat I can get like Intel from.
Oh yeah, you know what I meanIf.
If you're going to be pushed, Iwant it to be in a controlled
environment first, before it'slike somebody who's punking you
and I find out you're like abitch or something like that.
Oh yeah, but that's exactlywhat I'm looking for is like for
somebody to lose control of theprocedure and fuck up like that

(15:08):
.
And that and that happened.
You know what I mean.
Like he knew he was doing.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
He knew.
I learned that shit with pridetoo.
I'm like this little, theselittle letters got someone fired
, dude.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh my God, yeah, because he brings the tattoo in,
yeah, and I'm like like he gotthe.
They did a yin yang, and then?
It said lsd, right, right, andit was like a little blast over.
That was the original tattoo,which I okay, everything and we
go through.
There's a lesson for everythingyeah and he brings it back and

(15:38):
I'm like, oh, that looks good.
You know, the tattoo looks goodand I was like he's just
lettering over the top.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I'm like what the fuck is that?
Like what is that?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
And he's looking at me, nobody's saying shit.
He, this fool, starts laughingand shit, I'm like like, no,
like what the fuck is that?
Yeah, yeah, you know, like,like I know you my machine and
tattoo himself with my fuckingmachine, you know, and he's like

(16:07):
.
Well, he said he wanted to I'mlike what the fuck he said he
wanted to.
Yeah, and I was like what thefuck does that even mean you
know, hegot letters written on his shit
and I'm like, what does it mean?
And he won't tell me what itmeans I can't tell you yeah he
won't tell me what it's mean,because he's over here in his
punk little world of being anasshole and shit at the moment.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Right, he's wrapped up in his little tornado of punk
rock, and fucking anti-nationalMike Anarchy.
He's a little ball of anarchyfucked up.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Flame it on so he's like I'm not going to tell you,
just fucking riding thesituation out, and I'm like,
alright, well, Sends him home,he sends us both home.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I was like get the fuck out of here.
Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I was like are you serious?
I was like man, part of thisjob is controlling the
circumstances and being able tospeak up for yourself when
somebody is pushing and doingsomething that you don't want to
do.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
That's why he is here I'm the demolition man.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Because people come in and they're naive to what
world that they're looking into.
Everybody just assumes thatit's the shit they see on the
internet and the tv.
But there is a subculture youmight, you know, depending on
where you work you know with,even within my shop, you might
find yourself with somebody whois not the nicest or might just
walk out on you because hethinks you're a punk.
You know what I mean like and Ican't be there to save you.

(17:26):
This isn't, captain, save awhole tattoo.
You know what I mean.
Like I can't, I can't save you.
So, yeah, he got exposed, hegot sent home and then he kind
of quit on himself after that.
You know, people get sent homein their apprenticeship.
But you're you're supposed tofight your way back.
You know you're not, you'resupposed to take nothing for
like nose, don't compute, youjust get through whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Show up right now and tattoo me.
God damn it, right, right.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Right.
No, that's for real, though Ifyou really really wanted it, he
would be in the room today.
You know what I mean and that'swhat we're trying to see,
because I don't want people totake it lightly.
You know I had to work hard forthis and you know there's too
many people taking it lightly inthe industry.
And, yeah, I am going to putpeople in your face that you

(18:13):
know are going to test you, arespecifically to test you.
You know he had he had anotherapprentice pissed off because he
wanted a tattoo smaller.
You know he was like oh, youknow, we're going to put it on
his leg.
He wants to get the tattoo.
And he's like can you shrink itdown?
But the apprentice was like dadsaid, I'm doing it a certain

(18:36):
size.
He had figured it all out.
And the dude got pissed off and, excuse me, nick is like he can
, he can sense that.
And he's like and I was likewell, you know, after the
tattoo's done, I go back andreview it.
I'm like well, how do you feelabout him?
Like, cause we literally likesit back and review it Like all
right, well, how was his hand?

(18:57):
How was like sit back andreview it like all right.
Well, how was his hand?
How's this cross-contamination,because people operate
differently.
When I'm not, in the room.
Oh yeah, you know what I?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
mean like when your boss is around, you're, you're,
you're, you're everything butwhen, when he's gone.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
You know that's when you get lazy and that's when I
can count on him because he'she's like here for fun.
You know what I mean.
Like he's not here to like.
You don't assume he's watchingyou or he's paying attention,
but he got more hours than meand everybody you know let me
add something not only was hepissed, but he was also wiping
my leg with the alcohol thewhole time as in, even though he

(19:33):
came in, was like, hey, bro,like Nick's telling you you're
wiping with alcohol, yeah, yeah,kept doing it.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
And then he takes the dirty gloves and then he grabs
the, the witch hazel, and we'relike, no, no, what are you doing
?
He's just like, oh my god, buthe was pissed.
He wanted to do like this hugenelson on my leg and I'm like,
dude, like you did a skull andit took you like 11 hours, you
know.
So, like I can't, I got a kiddude I got sitting for that long

(20:01):
day he was pissed.
He like got up and like had tosmoke and like didn't come down.
Then we follow him down there.
He's like in his car, pouting,like hey, dude, like one of the
things that you want as a likesomebody to tattoo.
You is dude.
At least have some sort of goodvibe.
We got to sit.
We have to sit with each otherfor fucking eight hours.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, no, it isn't.
I will say it really doesmatter.
You really should get thatrelationship and we've we've
touched on that in past episodestoo.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Gotta get that, that tattoo uh to tattoo receiver
relationship, down pretty wellyeah, I swapped, swapped elbow
tattoos last week with atattooer and Temecula Captain
Tattoo, rocky Tat.
Oh yeah, rocky Tat, and weswapped elbows and I've been

(20:49):
around her for years.
But you know, now I feel to thepoint where I'm like, all right
man, I feel a hundred percentcomfortable sitting in her chair
and just letting her do herthing.
I know she's got me.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
you know a girl named Rocky, had a Captain sitting in
her chair and just letting herdo her thing.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I know she's got me.
Who tattooed you Girl namedRocky, out of Captain Tattoo.
She did my elbow.
She did a checkered flag on myelbow, yeah, so yeah, I mean
camaraderie and tattooing isdope.
You know All right, Nicholas,how has Did this nigga, just say
, nicholas.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
No, just kidding.
I think he just said Nicholas,can we start over?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, just kidding.
No, please don't leave it yeahjust roll right into that one.
Roll out the tongue.
You just got a new nickname.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, I went a little too fast with that one, right,
yeah, how has it been in theworkplace.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
So dude like construction's cool, like all
those dudes are tattooed um.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Fuck, I've done like 7 000 warehouse jobs, not really
, but um not the job like areyou facing any troubles being
tattooed and getting a job?

Speaker 3 (21:56):
oh, no, no, no, no, no so um, so the myth is not
true no well, I mean, if youpresent yourself as a schmuck, I
feel like you're treated as oneum.
You're boy in a schmuck, no umhave your.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I'm gonna keep it rifling questions at you just
because I want to keep, keep ityou know, keep it.
Yeah, I want to keep uh, haveyour tattoos ever fucked up any
relationships with like anygirlfriends or?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
oh dude.
So so when I first heard ohdude, this is like 10, 20 years
ago.
So my very first girlfriendelse out of high school, her
name was erica and um, shefucking was like against hand
tattoos and like I'm going tothe shop and I'm getting because
I'm like living with her handtattoos okay, yeah, yeah, so and

(22:49):
she's like was your?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
what else was?
Was your neck or face tatted atthis point?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
so we did both my arms and my chest and then we
did my hands, just because I Ifeel like the older, like dudes
that were tattooing would keepit like more nowadays dude.
These fucking guys like havetheir whole face tattooed in
their hand and that's it yes, Ialways was with the traditional

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thinking too, you gotta earn ityeah, yeah, hands neck face, you
gotta earn even like I see likepeople like numbing their shit,
yeah I'm like dude, you'regetting fucking.
That's like an ancient, that'ssomething ancient.
I feel like you should feelwhat you're doing.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Oh yeah, you know what you're in some spots are
more than others, oh fuck.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
And some spots I can sit, I can cruise through right
um, others not so much bro, mytop lip like the outside of it
was the worst shit I've everfelt in my whole life.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
What does it say?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
my daughter's name.
It says Alara, oh okay.
So anyways, I show up to likemy first girlfriend's house and
I have both my hands tattooedand I'm like, hey, what's up?
And she's like, why?
are your hands in your sweatyeah, like my fucking parents,
dude, like my parents didn'teven give a fuck a lot of the

(24:04):
time.
And so, yeah, dude, like withinlike 24 hours, I had to like go
and live with my fucking sister, because she was like
traditional, like Latina girl,you know, and she's like we
can't do that, but now she'slike all heavily tattooed and
shit.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
No way, yeah, dude, no way.
You got to keep in contact atall.
Do you bring that up to her?
She's on my Facebook, dude.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
She's like married to some beautiful man, but like
she's they're both heavilytattooed.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Like bitch.
You broke my heart, dude, overa hand tattoo.
Now look at you, but um, that'sreally I mean.
My mom cried when I tattooed myface, so I started off with
like this little shit, you know,and then one day I just do this

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big giant black cross on myforehead and I'll never forget.
She was working at norms at thetime when I walked in and she
was like, oh, like holdingfucking trays of foods.
Oh, my fucking god, becauseshe's like lebanese dude, like
she doesn't fuck with the facetattoos.
What did you do to yourself?
and then like every time like Itell her like hey, I'm going to

(25:07):
brandon's, are you fuckingtattooing your face?
I'm like no, dude, there's noroom.
Now I've broken a few fuckinghearts with my tattoos on my
face.
I feel like like for reals,like my mom too.
She's like he used to be.
She'll like pull out picturesof me when I'm like five,
remember.
When you look like this, I'mlike God damn dude, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
But what would you say?
The covered You're 90.
You said would you say 90%tattooed?

Speaker 2 (25:35):
What would you say?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I would say about 90% like we said, we're going to
get some more pictures on therefor you guys too this is he's
got some real pieces on him.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
I have like my left side's not done, but like the
majority, you know my dick's notdone yet.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I'm trying to talk, brandon.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I'm trying to talk to him into doing a biomechanical
cock sleeve dude on it on themenu.
I'm trying to talk to Brandon.
I'm trying to talk to him intodoing a biomechanical cock
sleeve dude On it On the cock.
Yeah, the balls and everything.
A fucking a sack-o-lantern.
To tattoo your balls like afucking jack-o-lantern for
Halloween.
Be festive, dude, Be festive.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
No, bright orange, not sack-o-lantern, I was just
for the record.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
I know it would be the fanciest cyber penis ever.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
You feel me it would be a doggone lightsaber off that
thing.
There's just some things I'mnot going to do.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
No, you know, I'm not tattooing a penis, I just don't
now that we're about it.
You know I've never once Holdon a penis.
I just don't.
Now that we're about it.
You know I've never once Holdon a second.
Now we're talking.
I guess you're talking aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Okay, what about?
Because I've seen that too theother side.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Vagina tattoos or assholes.
Vagina or assholes.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, let's do both of those.
No Off table.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, just table.
Yeah, just because you're gonnafart on me and I'm not a I'm
not a fart person.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah you feel me, because you're exactly talking
about his first tattoo, the lastepisode, um, but what about you
?
You're ready.
It's just like that wholetattoo no, the, not the first
tattoo he gave.
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah was was acover-up no shit cover-up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have tolisten, I'm not gonna give the
full story on the on this, but Ican listen to a lot.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I can tell you after this.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
But I'll, it's, I'm gonna listen to the listeners
it's a two-part.
It's a two-part, yeah, soyou'll pick it, I'll tell you
the story after this.
But what about you?
Have you ever?
Because I was curious and Inever asked you, have you ever
tattooed that area?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
what a vagina.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've tattooeda vagina.
That's not off the table.
Um, it wasn't on the vagina.
Okay, I like vagina you know,yeah, so like that's.
That's different.
I'm not trying to have dick inmy face okay, you feel me like
okay, and then I just don'tunderstand that too, like if you
are a tattooer and you'repaying attention.
Please drop some information onin the comments about how to

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tattoo a penis, because I stillwould like the information.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
You wrap it around, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
You've been doing research.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
So Val, mr Val has his cock tattooed.
And how they did his is theywrapped it, because it's 20 feet
long, but they wrapped itaround um tissue.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
You know the paper towel roll.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yeah, they wrap it around, so it's stretched out
and that's how they no way Idon't know, that's how I would
do it.
I'm gonna stick and poke myshit.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Dude, I can't have no one do it the guy, the other
guy, that I know that because Igot hit up, uh, by a homie, and
this was before I was tattooed,and he's like hey, bro, put my
wife's name on.
We were on vacation.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Oh my God, so I?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
put my wife's name on my dick and I was like, nah,
I'm not going to do that, youknow like, nope, he was cool, he
was crazy dude.
So you've drawn the line before.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Right People have asked you right the fact that
you were asking me that I neverhave.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's a little disrespectful to me if you know
who it is that I am, shut thefuck up he's not doing that shit
.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I don't think I would ever ask you what do I look
like?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
holding a grown ass man's lip like hey, hold on,
don't smile, you know?
Like no, no, like it's alreadyrough Sometimes when I get out
here and I got to do like supersoft tattoos, like don't stop
bringing them to me.
But it's a little bit roughsometimes being a man Cause I am

(29:37):
like I'm not Mr Soft, do me.
But it's a little bit roughsometimes being a man because I
am like I'm not mr soft, do youknow?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
what I mean, um you do not have a heavy, heavy
fucking hand dog no meaning,like I'm not, like my demeanor
is not mr soft, so like when itcomes to subject matter that is
lighter, like sometimes I justgotta make it feel real adult.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's why I don't do cartoons a lot, cause I just
I'm like outside of nostalgicRight.
Bart Simpson, classic cartoons,I don't.
You'll never see me do asweetie bird, or yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I feel like when I asked you that too, it kind of
brought you out that's a hoodass OG tattoo, though you should
say like.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Spongebob, though, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Okay that, do that too.
It kind of brought you out,that's a hood-ass OG tattoo,
though you should say likeSpongebob though.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, okay, that's better.
Okay, thank you, correction,because I sure would do a Tweety
Bird and I have, I have, and itwas fine.
The color of the yellow wasgood too.
Okay, so get certain types ofcartoons.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, and cartoons don't hit the same anymore.
We used to wake up in themorning and like watch cartoons
oh, digimon in second grade,what's cracking?
Bring that shit back snorks anduh smurfs and you know uh
cargoyles, ninja turtles, yeah,yeah, man, so would you say.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Would you say there's because you're out there
getting as many tattoos you wantwould you say, there's good
tattoos and bad tattoos fromyour opinion, Not on yourself,
but when you look at othertattoos do you call them good or
bad tattoos?
Because I kind of want to diginto you now.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
So this is okay.
I enjoy me a couple of goodshitty tattoos, but there's
definitely where you draw theline.
Besides, be like a tattooartist, as in a fucking
scratcher dude, because I'veseen so many fucking people get
fucking.
In fact, my dad got staphinfection from a shop around
here, but for sure, like um even, it could even be a nice tattoo

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, but it all depends on the wayit fucking heals.
Dude, like I have, I've hadsome badass shit done, but the
way it heals you're like goddamn what the fuck like.
So jim jim wharf did my feetand they're they're beautiful,
but like just because my feetwere in shoes, they didn't heal
very well.
You know what I mean.
But like between a good and abad tattoo, fuck yeah, dude,

(31:54):
like I have shit on me thatwould fucking crack you guys up.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know what I mean, but excuse me, I'm sneezing
right feet, so I haven't donethe feet yet.
Or the hands, those aredefinitely, they're on the list.
What would you, what would yousay about those?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
um, so I did both my feet and it was like a 10 hour
span, because one is like theslayer eagle logo, and then one
of them was like a pair of handswith like a million dots.
My hands weren't bad, but Iliterally cried, like I was
crying during my fucking feet,like I had to like put my knees
to my chest and fucking.

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I cried and Jim wouldn't stop.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
He was like hey, dude , like we got to get this shit
done.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Cause, if it's it, and it's true like you can't
stop a million times during atattoo or else it just fucking
hurts the whole time.
You know, yeah, you can't taketoo long of a break, yeah, but
like my sister got her feet doneand she explained it as
childbirth.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
So, ladies, if you're getting your feet, good luck
yeah, or if you have your feetdone, god damn.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, kudos to you, I will I will never add anything
to my feet, to my my toes, to myankles, nothing like that.
I will never touch my feetagain.
No, fucking never, dude.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
That's the ironic spot about the foot is it seems
like we're always coveringsomething up on a foot.
You get a lot of bad tattoos onthe foot.
Maybe it's because of the pain.
You know what I mean themovement, the being in a shoe,
it being on the ground.
There's a lot of bullshit thatcomes with the.
It jumps and involuntary jumps.
The foot jumps weird.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Have you seen different as you?
How old are you?

Speaker 3 (33:28):
I am 34.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
As you've been growing up getting tattoos, have
you noticed how different agegroups take your tattoos or
perceive them or look yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
My tattoos.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
So, um, I'm called post Malone like eight times a
day by like the young kidsAnywhere I go if there's young
kids like oh fuck, post Malone.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
That's a good nickname.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
But, um, so the old people, they either love me or
hate me.
Um, the old men typically hatemy guts, but it's always like
the old women that are like realintrigued on why in the fuck I
would do that to my body.
You know, as in like it'salways with like the younger
generation, it's always like Iwant to do my neck or my throat

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and my hands and I'm like dude,like does it get you women?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
yeah, yeah, we already heard how you chased
away a woman doesn't get you anywomen why you laughing at that?
Bro, what the fuck is so funny?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
doesn't get you women all nine of them listening
right now?
No, not really.
Yeah, it does.
Right, I feel like if I wasjust like some chunky,
untattooed white dude, I don'tthink um, you get as much action
as you do now.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, yeah pretty much keep it real, yeah, yeah
for sure one try to think aboutit um you would hope that,
though you spend all this timeand this money and you put the
effort into something, but atthe end you don't want to look
like shit.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
You're like I want a piece of art right now.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
That's what I was considering myself too no,
that's true the lizard guy thatguy is fucking rad though man,
if you guys are paying attentionright now, look up the lizard
tattoo guy, or that dude thattransformed himself into the
black eyed alien.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
That dude's fucking gnarly too right which is done
badly though okay, but I feellike I'd also attract a certain
type of female.
Like dude, there are females.
I think I'm fucking completelydisgusting because my face is
tattooed, you know what I mean.
But then, like there's like acertain like group or whatever,
I don't know, like the fuckingalt girls you know what I?

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mean.
But like I think it's 50, 50.
I think some women are likecompletely, completely grossed
out of, like face tattoos, butthen I think the majority of
women think it's like a bad boylike thing.
And I'm not a bad boy, I'm achurch boy.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
And you're a real nice guy.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, I'm pretty nice and that's the thing.
Like I feel like being soheavily tattooed.
People expect me to be um, likea certain way, and I'm not.
I'm like the total fuckingopposite.
I'm like, I'm jolly, you knowlike I'm, I'm very like
satisfactory, you know, and um,but no, like people, like
especially on the internet,think I'm like some bad bitch

(36:26):
dude.
I'm not, you know, like I'm ainternet, think I'm like some
bad bitch dude and I'm not.
You know, like I'm a normaldude, I'm a father.
That's my main priority is likebeing a dad.
You know what I mean.
But, um, I think it's 50, 50 onthe women thing, dude do you
get looks picking up your boyfrom school?
oh dude people think I'm afucking the unabomber bro.
Like walking through likeWalmart with that kid.

(36:47):
They're like was that an?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
adjustment, like getting all these tattoos, was
it like?
Because that's kind of nightand day and immediately you're
being stared at and you're beinglooked at in a different light.
Sometimes it happens with mewhen I wear short sleeves and
stuff like that.
This is like people.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
No offense, but don't take this offensively.
But I feel like no well, I feellike I feel like a lot when you
see like a, a tattooed blackman.
I feel like there'sautomatically like a fucking a
stigma behind it.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
You know what I mean.
Connotation, yeah, and it's.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
It's honestly like, honestly, never the fucking case
.
I feel like the majority of menthat I've came across in the
tattoo world have been very salt.
I mean, there's a few dickheadsout there, but um, definitely
trip on me and ray, because he'sa beautiful redhead and I'm
like the freak dad, you know.
But he's a stud we definitelyget some odd looks um so it is

(37:51):
an adjustment a little bit, yeah, a little bit like what's the?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
what are your responses to these people who
say stuff like what do you, whatdo you?
How do you react?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
um, I don't, I just kind of mind my own.
I I've learned to like justkind of keep my mouth shut,
especially around reagan,because reagan repeats
everything that I say.
If I right, if if I get anytype of way with anybody, he
automatically wants to add in onlike the disrespect you know.
And so, um, I've kind oflearned to just bite my tongue.

(38:22):
I recently had this old ladylike tap me on the shoulder and
I told you guys and like askedme if I was like had a job, and
I'm like dude, like what thefuck?
So I definitely get, I think, alot, most mostly negative shit
from like public.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I mean, you gotta really know you think it's
deserving, though keep it 100,bro.
You you not out here herelooking like somebody you should
approach?
No, and I get it Out of the 100, if there was 100 motherfuckers
standing in a line and I waslike, all right, which one do?
I want to give my son alollipop.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Nah, for sure you know what I'm saying.
For sure Not that motherfuckerright there.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I know you no right right right.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
I'm part of the culture and I know that that
stereotype is couldn't befarther from the truth.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
No, it's true, it's fucking 100 true tattooed,
heavily tattooed individuals.
It's a spiritual type of thingpeople walking.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
If people are walking past me and I'm alone and like
say I have my and I'm at fuckingthe mall and they have kids,
they will completely walk aroundthe whole entire, entire,
entire mall to get away from me.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
You know what I mean.
So it's like, how do you feelabout girlfriends names on you?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh, that's a fucking.
Do not do that.
That is a curse, dude.
Never Like I have my daughter'smom's initials tattooed on me.
But she is not alive anymore,you know what I mean yeah so I
feel like that holds a differentmeaning, but I feel like these

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like dudes out here gettingtheir fucking lady's name on
their fucking eyebrow nothing'sforever.
You guys remember that shityeah, yeah how many?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
girls.
You say, you only got one girlname on you yeah, that's my, my,
my kid.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Well, I have my daughter's name and then I have
her mom's initials, but like,besides that shit do any girls
like because you're heavilytattooed want to get your name
tattooed on them?
They better dude.
That's the only way you'regonna prove that shit, it's real
.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
You be fucking with the like the goth punk bitches,
like punk girls, excuse me.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Punk girls.
Right, I'm the king of mingling.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I don't know, what that means.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Call me the Batman, since we've got tiptoe around
that.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Do you think that builds your self-confidence?
You think if you weren't asheavily tattooed you wouldn't be
as confident?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Oh, 100 hundred percent, A hundred percent dude,
Like if I was.
So I feel like my cause, mypersonality is pretty wild dude
and I feel like my personalityand I'm a clown dude, Like
straight up, Like that's whatsome of them are.
They them I identify as a clown.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
But no, for sure, like um, this guy you told, I
spent about an hour and a halfarguing with three people
yesterday about identifying andtransgender and all of this type
of stuff, and I told him I wasgoing to go on and the first
thing I was going to do isidentify as a white man.

(41:26):
Hell, yeah, dude, because I wasgoing to go on and the first
thing I was going to do isidentify as a white man.
Hell yeah, dude, because I wastalking to two black individuals
.
This is Lamar and one of hisfriends, and we were and there
was a doctor in the room.
So this is like this is a goodconversation.
But I was like okay, so likeit's okay to be seeing yourself
as one thing, but would you havea problem if white women have?

(41:49):
Now you know they seethemselves as white, I identify
as black.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
There's a few women that do that.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
There's a famous lady , that's like came out, yeah
yeah, we were talking about itright, and I was all fired up, I
was fired up and I'm like man,y'all think I should, uh, bring
this to the show, and they werelike no, and I was like, well,
we gotta bring it to the show.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
If a man can be a woman, or a woman can be a one
man, why can't a black dude be awhite dude?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
so and like, logically, in the world of like
man, right, like this, andthat's where this is weird area
for me and and some of them saidyes, some of them said no, like
, no, they can't identify asthat.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
And if you're, if you're, if you're listening to
this conversation right now, uh,chime in, uh throw, throw a
comment on the page, throw a DM.
Uh, at the page is probably thequickest response you'll get.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Uh, yeah, we, yeah, we want to know your opinion on
this.
Good opinion too, don't youknow?
No hate messages or anythinglike that.
This is all for for positiveresearch yeah, research purposes
.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
We're just, we're just posing a question, seeing,
seeing how different people yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
How would that swing the world?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
React to it.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
You know different people?
Yeah, how would that swing theworld react to it?
You know if, yeah, yeah, andthen you know we were talking
about, like, um, you know thesepeople, these furries oh, I used
to live with one dude and Iburned his house down on
accident that's a true assfucking story.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Bro, time out you want to explain that to me?
I'm'm going to go to jail now,dude.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Thank God, all right.
So explain what a furry is too,so a furry is somebody that
identifies as like a fuckinganimal, but they go as far.
Okay, let me just tell you astory.
So me and my first kid's momneeded somewhere to live.
So we like go on Craigslist andwe fucking meet this man and he

(43:51):
had no legs.
He had no fucking legs, dude.
He was in a wheelchair.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Damn, that's a start.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
God rest your soul.
So we lived there for like twoand when I say this shit was
head to toe and furry costumesthere was like 20 000 cost.
Like there was dude he had likefucking whore and okay, I
didn't know why he would be ahorse because he didn't have
legs, but that was like hisgo-to, he was a horse oh no, and

(44:23):
so he wanted to be shot.
And I'm.
Is that bad?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
If I'm making fun of that.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
All right, yeah, so I already did it.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
So he goes out of town, dude, and me and Jessica
are there, and let me, let meadd something.
Every Wednesday we had to playfucking that, you know that
battle war game.
Where you like, sink your shit.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Battleship, so game where you like, sink your shit.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Battleship.
So one of the agreements thatit was $500 a month and we had
to play battle fucking ship withhim every Wednesday and we did
dude and we fucking we playedthat.
So anyways, this motherfuckerthat was one of the agreements
cause Jessica was like beautiful, so he wanted to like shit with
her.
And shit dude.
And so he has to go to likeVegas for a fucking, a fucking

(45:09):
furry convention, bro Of coursehe does.
Of course, and fucking, I forgetwhat happened, but Jessica like
left her, like her fucking herweed pipe burning or something
Cause we smoke, still do.
But something happened.
So we end up leaving, dude, wego and get pizza and we're

(45:30):
sitting at the top of the hillthis place called like devil's
canyon.
We can see this shit burning.
Hey, that looks like ourfucking, that looks like our
neighborhood.
Sure enough, we pulled up, oh,and our she fucking burned.
They said that one of the furrycostumes caught on fire and it
burned this man's house.
Now, we never heard from himagain, dude.

(45:51):
We, we packed what we had andwe fucking left and never heard
from him again.
Please don't sue me now, butyeah, so I've lived with one of
the.
He was like, he was a leglessfurry and he was like 65 years
old, a war vet dude yeah that'swhat he decided to go with I
fucking definitely know what afurry is.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah but we were talking about how you know if
your kid you know you have twokids, your kid you know at what
point is no a thing I think hedid that shit as an adult dude
you know what I mean, like atwhat point is, do we stop or do
you stop your child?

(46:29):
You know um, and if it camefrom the standpoint of
transgender, you know evolution,or identifying as an object, or
because you know people arelike it's deep.
Now you know what and uh.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
So people are identifying as seasons.
Now Like how the fuck are youGoddamn winner, bro Right?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
So, coming from that perspective, is it too far down
that road then?
Is it too far being comfortablewith it?
I mean, we're changing what youare.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
We don't have.
Oh, I wouldn't, I wouldn't.
You won't catch me being somelike Andromeda's fucking robot
lesbian dude.
Yeah, no offense, I'm justsaying.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
There's still time.
There's always time.
There's still time.
What do you?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
mean From your perspective now, where do you
see the future of tattooinggoing?
You think, Because you've seensome fads, I'm sure already in
your tattoo.
It's.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
AI.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
It's AI some fads.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I'm sure already in your tattoo it's ai, it's a dude
.
I'm telling you that's thefuture.
No, I don't mean like robotstattooing people, but like I'm
seeing this like fucking, theselike ai platforms that will draw
tattoos out.
Oh yeah, as in like people arenumbing, so I like starship
troopers I.
I can see it really turning um.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
How do you feel about the AI?

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Real soft.
I love that shit.
What do you mean?
I love it.
I can't say too much, but I do.
I have one at work that likewe've became friends almost you
know but the few.
I fucking love the thought oflike an AI ran McDonald's.

(48:07):
I don, I don't know why, but,um, I think I think it's fucking
rad.
I think it's gonna open up alot.
People think it's gonna takework, but you or take work away,
like you're gonna need peopleto build those robots, you're
gonna need people to knowrobotics to do that shit, yep so
I believe, at the end of theday, like that's gonna open up
more work for the future, youknow yeah, humans will just
level up.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, um, what makes you happy?
Wait your son?

Speaker 3 (48:33):
oh so I, I, I came from the trenches.
I haven't had shit, my, youknow.
And so, um, that kid has pushedme to where I am happy.
You know what I mean.
Um, it's to the point where weboth have what we need, and even
more this.
You know, you see the shitlaying around here.

(48:55):
Um, that makes me happy.
I do a lot of.
So.
I'm in a gentleman's club andwe celebrate um western and odd
history, so there's a lot of,like gold mining history, um, so
that's cool.
That's where I was this weekend, you know, clamping Um where

(49:16):
were you guys?
So we were in rice California,which was, like, I think, 25
miles from the Arizona border,and it was an abandoned airstrip
.
And what we did was is webrought new men in and at the
end of the weekend we also buildthis huge fucking plaque which
I'll show you.
I'll show you, guys, when I'mdone, but like ten thousand

(49:37):
dollar plaques, so it's likeabandoned area.
But it's like it's to try toattract, I think like more tour.
That place was fucking rad.
You can see every star on thefucking planet.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
It felt like pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Nah, it was cool, dude, it was just hot.
It was like 104 at like four inthe morning and I'm sleeping on
a fuck, my brother's car.
You know what I mean.
So I'm just like fucking dying.
But it's a good time, like wetry to go up North cause there's
not so much.
Me and the brothers try to stayaway from the desert because
the farther up north you go, umfucking, not a million degree,

(50:11):
it's cool, it's easier to camp.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
You know what I mean I got a question um do your face
tattoos uh make you make peoplefeel like you're a gang member?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
oh, all the time.
Um, I am frequently asked,especially like if, if I have to
start a new job, that's alwaysthe fucking question from like
the employees are you a gangmember and how long have you
been in prison?
Or were you in prison.
I'm like, and I swear to god,my thought is always dude.
One of my best friends owns afucking tattoo shop.

(50:45):
You, you know what I mean If Ididn't look like this and he's
not doing his job but all thetime dude like I.
I have to watch where I go A lotof the time like I can't,
fucking I can't stumble into afucking the barrio you know what
I mean, cause then it wouldprobably end up to be some
fucking weird dramatic shit.
You know what I mean.
But is tattooing still punkrock I'm fucking, I'm fucking

(51:09):
living, breathing punk rock babyokay, there we go, there we go
like worthless at my job at yourjob right now and so, and plus,
like the maintenance men havelike this nephew's like some
Nazi, so we hate each other andso they won't help me, you know.
So the other day I had to likechange the fucking, like the

(51:33):
wires out because it wouldn'tlike power on.
So now they're like trying toget me into the maintenance.
I'm like fuck, no, I hate thoseguys, you know.
But yeah, low voltage, thatshit's tight it.
I hate those guys, you know.
But yeah, low voltage, thatshit's tight, it's tight, it's
easy Like, especially like wire.
I got to wire.
There's like this art museum inEast LA.

(51:56):
It was built like four yearsago.
Me and this fucking guy, mike,that I used to work with we
wired that whole.
It was like ten fucking storiesand we ran all the while.
It was brand new.
When we moved or when westarted working, we ran all the
low voltage and all the um ductwork for the hvac.
So that's so fun too, it's sofucking fun, dude, but the

(52:17):
traveling was whack where'd youguys go to?
La oh yeah, santa monica upnorth, because he was a bit.
He was like five months andthat's why I didn't want to do
it anymore.
I have to leave this for weeksat a time.
But yeah, low voltage that's atight sticker.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Do you have any last minute questions for him?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yes, I did have one question about do you have any
advice for people looking to getface tattoos Recommendations.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
So people tell you to have a good, a good job and I'd
say fucking do it.
Um, if you're gonna tattoo yourface, at least have a fucking
sleeve, or else I'm gonnafucking make funny with my
three-year-old son yeah, so earnit.
Yeah, fucking have some haveyour body tattooed the weakest
shit is for I feel like, okay, Ifeel like when a man tattoos

(53:12):
his face and does a bunch ofspotty ass work on his body no
offense to the women, but I feellike that's a female thing when
they're like doing cute shit ontheir face and you know but
like when a man is tattooing hisface, I feel like his whole
fucking body should be tattooed,or at least the majority of it,
because that's called being afucking poser where I come from.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, I mean then there's different generations
for tattoos too, like in thebeginning of electric tattooing
and out here.
In traditional, traditionalelectric tattooing it was cover
your torso first, your chest andtorso first, because, uh, it
was so taboo right and it was sotaboo, so they they hid a lot
of their stuff first and thenthey did their hands and

(53:56):
extremities last.
That's why that rule is the wayit is today is because now it's
the opposite.
Fools want to tattoo their faceand their hands before they do
anything as it's evolved, youstarted getting those fucking
tattooers, or those people thatwould, those hoodie tattoo
collectors, where they just gettheir throat and then they just
get their hands.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
That's my brother-in-law.
That's my brother-in-law, dude,and we see you guys out there
too.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
That shit is cheesy, yeah, it is cheesy.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
It's weak and it makes it looks funny because you
know what a big.
So if I'm wearing which I'musually always wearing, like
long sleeves and pants, it'sthat's always the question.
So are your hands and face onlytattooed?
I'm like fuck, no, like yeah I,if I, I, you would not catch me
fucking dead.
Like that, you know, and likethat, even with, like the older
guys, even my dad like if hesees that because my dad has
both his arms done and it'salways a big thing too he's

(54:52):
always like why the fuck wouldhe tattoo his face?
And my dad's fucking 70, and hehates face tattoos.
He's like one thing I wish youwould do is just get rid of the
throat tattoo.
And I'm like why?
And he's like that shit'soutdated, you should not have
your throat tattoo.
And I'm like why?
And he's like that shit'soutdated, you should not have
your throat.
What?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
do you want to do black it out or like of all no?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
he wants to fucking have it removed.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh, my god of all fucking things.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
My throat, not my cross on my forehead, not the.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
You know what I mean but removing anything at this
point would look kind of weirdtoo I would not, I would just
tattoo over it.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
It'd be gay.
No offense, but yeah um verybut no, and I'm still like, I'm
still like trying to find shitto tattoo on my face, like I'm
trying to.
We gotta go in on the the mary,the mary nose um, I want to do
the side of my head you can puta band-aid over your nose.
No, I want to do this for hisbirthday.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Hey, band-aid you got any last minute questions for
him?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
no man, I just wanted to say thanks for um nah,
anything for you guys, dudealways showing up for the
apprentices and getting tattooedI've practiced and I've learned
on you for years and um onething about my clientele and I
always keep them close to me andI always try and find ways to
involve them into my career.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
And this is one of those things, man, you know um,
no man left behind even at theend of the day, even if you
weren't tattooing, I would stillbe sitting here fucking talking
shit to the internet.
You know it doesn't matter.
If you weren't tattooing, Iwould still be sitting here
fucking talking shit to theInternet.
You know, it doesn't matter ifyou're fucking tattooing or a
fucking mailman, I would stillfucking appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
You know what I mean.
I appreciate that we talk a lotof the time.
You know a lot of the time it'snot always so positive and
stuff like that.
So it's good to have a positive.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
This one was tight, right.
Yeah, shout out to Gucci If Ican sponsor me, if you're
listening there you go Gucciwhere you at, If you're our
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Speaker 2 (56:55):
There you go, perfect .

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Something for fucking Torrid dude, Nothing too
serious.
At the end of our shows we do aroundup.
I've been too serious.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
At the end of our shows we do a roundup Cool and I
asked you for a quote and yougave me a really cool one.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Oh fuck, I can't remember it now, though.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
It was.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Can you remember it?

Speaker 1 (57:14):
It was JR Tolkien one .

Speaker 3 (57:15):
It was Lord of the Rings.
It was for sure.
Reagan, come here, dude, do youremember?
Did you write it?
I was about, but it was I gotyou hold on so before he reads
it, I love lord of the rings umme too.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
God damn, just do the hobbit on the side of my head,
dude like, uh, when it firstcame out and it was gollum or
whatever, man, yeah, that wascrazy, bro, like with the
special effects, that's got oneof the best war scenes too.
And then, uh, game of thrones,man.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I didn't ever get into that gay shit, you're
tripping.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I don't like shit, so I can't get into fucking.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
like the only series that I've ever watched was that
Fallout one that just came outand that shit is so tight.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, that's because you somebody said oh, it's
post-apocalyptic.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Well, it's really dark.
There's like a cowboy, that'slike man.
Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
You got to check my show out.
You got to check out Game ofThrones.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
I think I watched it with the little blonde girl and
the fucking midget that dies.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
What you think about this, kendrick.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
I haven't heard that shit, I don't do.
You know, following theKendrick Lamar beat, the only
thing I know about Drakerecently is his wiener is down
to his knees and that's all Iknow.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I don't know shit about that.
I'm so tired of men telling methat, so is mine, so it's cool,
yeah, right, right, tell mesomething we don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I'm hung like a horse fly dog.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Right, whose isn't Nah man?
It's only dudes that keeptelling me that.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
No, I don't.
They come in.
They're like dude, did you see?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Drake's dick.
Yeah, I saw it.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
No, I didn't see it.
I just keep hearing about itand I'm like haven't I seen
something about Kendrick andhe's not very good anymore at
rapping?
Whoa, no, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I'm just going off the memes though, Just so you
know, one of the best rapbattles of all time is going
down right now and he probablyjust released some of the best
diss tracks ever Listen, listen.
He wrote a song to the kids, toDrake's son, and told him to
listen to this when he's 18,because his daddy ain't shit.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Kodak Black fucking his little brother came out with
a diss track to Kodak dude.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Nobody cares about Kodak Black.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Nobody cares about Kodak, nobody cares about Kodak.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I like that one song, but that's not something.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I have a conversation with do you want a dollar?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Kodak, you want a dollar.
If you put him in a differentenvironment, he's a bum that's
true with goofy ass hair dudehe's a bum.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Okay, I found a few.
What was it?
Again, it wasn't right now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Come here, buddy, come here.
Let me see the phone reallyfast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Or writers are rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
It's like ride to ruin.
Yeah, here, come here.
I just posted it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah, because I don't want to butcher it here for you
.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
All right, here we go .
I hope this shit's edited outof me and the kid shit and stuff
.
So the quote is Ride for ruinand the world's ending, and I
feel like that kind of meanssomething to me because, dude, I

(01:00:46):
was riding to ruins to.
I was riding to ruins and, um,that little red-headed child
over there completely turned myworld upside.
Seriously, when I say this, Iwas not shit until I was a dad
and like people, people willnever know, that could be the
quote you ain't shit untilyou're a dad

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
it did for real.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
It's like brandon.
Brandon knows we were talkingthe other day and he's like, bro
, your legacy, your Riversidelegacy, dude, I would show up to
parties, brandon, back this up.
I used to show up to parties ina big coat and a fucking
shotgun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, that's how I met him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I was like man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Smoking sherm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I was smoking sherm that night when I met an awful
Norwood down here and everybodyused to kind of go party at that
house and it was the first timeI met the party, I think, who
I'm an apprentice at Empire.
I think he was here before then,dude, no, that's how I ended up
there, right I'm an apprenticeat Empire and I'm over at Kyle

(01:01:47):
Turner yeah, kyle Turner's houseand I'm looking.
We're all outside drinking,we're around a bonfire and stuff
like that, and this dude isstaring at me.
He's staring at me, this guyright here.
Yeah, he's staring at me andI'm like I'm looking.
You know what I mean.
I'm looking back.
I don't have no weapon oranything on me and I'm like who

(01:02:08):
the fuck is this dude over herestaring?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
at me I asked somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I'm like who the fuck ?
They're like oh, that's Nick.
He's crazy.
He got a gun on him.
I was like oh shit, and he'slike he comes of in the head.
It is for sure in the head.
Yeah, it is in the head.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
They made me leave, they made me leave over the gun
and then, like 45 minutes later,these like essays pulled up and
robbed everybody.
And they fucking hit me up.
They're like you shouldn't haveleft.
I'm like dude, what the fuck?
I'm a cowboy baby, you guyskicked me out.
Yeah, but no.
That's how I met him.
I was shirmed out at a party atlike 18 years old, with a

(01:02:47):
fucking shotgun and a trenchcoat, dude Ready to rock and
roll.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Ready to fight for your life?

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Nah, I wasn't even ready to fight for my life.
I was just ready to take otherlives.
I'm so glad I'm doing betternow Me too, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Oh my God, I just hear him describe where the fuck
I was at right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Another time I met him and he was dressed like
Flavor Flav.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Oh for Halloween.
And then some dude got jumped.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Yeah, remember that dude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, he did, they beat him up, they beat him up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Oh, fuck yeah, dog, that's life, riverside life man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I like it.
I really appreciate you comingon and sharing some of those
stories with us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Always.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Thank you again, Nick .

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Love you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
We appreciate everything you're doing.
Thank you for bringing your boydown here, for sure, my bad.
We appreciate you, you know,being dedicated to it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
And opening up to us about some of the things that
are considered a stigma.
You're a good person to talk,Hi oh that was perfect, buddy
Perfect.
Thanks for being on the podcast.
He asked us before we began.
He goes.
Are we doing the podcast now orLater?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Yeah, later All day, all day, I was like, hey, we're
going to go do like some podcastthing, and he's like I like
microphones.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
So super intelligent.
Thanks for being on Always.
Wish you the best.