Tattoo Chronicles: Wild Tales and Wisdom with Derek Billingsley and Kevin Childs

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello and welcome wherever you are.
Thank you for joining us on theB2Z podcast for part two,
episode two of season two, ourinterview with Derek Billingsley
and Kevin Childs.
Again thank you for joining usand we hope you enjoy the rest

(00:25):
of this episode.
As crazy and wild as we were,yeah, and we took a quick break
at the BZ Podcast and we'rebringing it back in with our two
guests, derek Billingsley andKevin Child and man, I've really
liked the episode so far.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, the episode's been really good yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
We're going to start wrapping it up with some stories
from you guys.
Who wants to go first with agood, memorable story from your
long career so far?
A good, memorable story.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
What about a bad life ?
Give me a story about adversity.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Adversity.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
This guy.
That's a deep story.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, that's way deeper than I was thinking.
That's not even the night brand.
I started feeling a littlefucking eee, and now he just
fucking wants to ask me somewild shit.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Adversity.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, some point where you were like fuck,
fucking, I can't believe I madeit through that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Or fuck you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Or something totally fun.
There could be somethingtotally fun Shit.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
All right, I don't even know what you guys are
looking at, what kind of storyyou want?
You want some like just partyshit.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
When you're green and you're trying to prove yourself
.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Did you ever have to do anything to prove yourself in
the tattoo shop?
Well, yeah, dude, I mean, fuckmy apprenticeship.
But we just got to tell you.
Yeah, I mean, there's times Ihad to walk and get food and if
the food was cold I had to walkback and get it again.
Yeah, he's not gonna rememberhe did that.
I'm gonna fucking tell him hedid.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, dude, it was even simple as like, hey, I
don't want onions, and if itcame with onions you're going
back to make it right, like yeahI don't care, whatever,
whatever you're going yeah dude,they had me throwing people out
of the shop oh 100.
My mentor was like oh, I don'twant to deal with this guy, get
him the fuck out of here and Iwas a hot-headed 18 year old.
Next thing, you know, I'mslamming dude's head against the
counter, beating up a tweakerin fucking oklahoma city.
You know what I mean.
It's just like I didn't tellyou to beat his ass.

(02:21):
Like, but he was like, handleit so it happened all the time
but yeah, like I would fucking.
They made me wear a bikini infront of the shop I never had to
do that.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Artist rode his carly down from wherever the fuck he
was coming from.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I had to wash his white wall tires, oh shit, in a
bikini in front of the shot.
I didn't give a fuck, I was.
I wanted a tattoo.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
So fucking bad and I hope there's no pictures of that
I don't get it I hope it'sgotta be.
That can't be pretty.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
There's no pictures for sure yeah, no, bro, I was
fucking.
What did y'all?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
do back then.
You know I was fucking eating.
Yeah, it was totally different.
He's all selling you wanna seethose pictures?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
yeah, I don't dude.
I mean, yeah, we had all thatshit we had to do, man yeah,
they suspended.
Yeah, we had all that shit wehad to do, man, they suspended
me.
I used to have to pick.
I remember too, just having topick them up Like they're drunk,
like hey, where you at.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Come get me.
Yeah, okay, my mentor, right,his wife.
At the time she would call hey,where the fuck's Tony at?
I'd be, at home asleep.
Fuck, I don't know.
I'd have to go and I wasn'teven old enough to get in there,
Because in Oklahoma, I think,the strip clubs were 21.

(03:29):
I think it was like topless,only it was very like Bible Belt
.
They weren't crazy at all,right.
But you'd go in and I'd be likeis Tony here?
Tony, have you all seen yourway?
All the way down you'd end upfinding him and he'd be in there
doing some wild shit, I'm likeget in the fucking car.
We gotta go.
I'm taking my grown-ass mentorhome while his wife's calling me

(03:49):
looking for me.
Just like this dude was.
He was wild, like he would befucking drunk all the time.
I remember we would repaintthis dude with everything match
right.
He'd have diamond plate withthis color, with that color,
then he would paint diamond.
Yeah, he would paint thisfucking Tahoe that was lowered
to match, oh shit, the way hepainted the shop.
Then I repainted the front ofthis shop two or three times

(04:11):
with this dude and there was aliquor store across the street.
This fool would drink like a30-pack Gee by himself During
the day.
At night Me and him would bepainting the front of the shop.
I can't tell you how manyfucking times.
Yeah, yeah, just fucking madman.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
You know that's rad, but then he stopped See the
neighborhood that I started inover in Fontana.
It was off of Palmetto Foothill.
You guys know that spot.
It's like a real Walmart.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
They have shit all the time.
I'll tell you the one the girlcame.
It's fucking crazy.
There's this little.
I gotta start it like there'sthis little.
So there's this little dude.
He was like armenian orsomething.
He owned a smoke shop rightnext door and the ceilings were
all like uh tiled together rightso they all connect every bar
ceilings yeah, yeah, okay, andat the time I was like the uh,

(04:57):
the biggest dude in there, Ithink at the time I drank a lot
little dudes, yeah, justwhatever.
But so, anyways, we're out theredrinking because we do that
shop and get slow and we fuckingget tall cans and just drink in
front, just watch what the fuckwas going on the parking lot,
and so little me need to closethis up.
But there's, oh, oh, but therewas a fucking.
There was a uh, uh like aclinic right next door and they

(05:18):
had all these little nurses inthere, shit.
So he snagged one of them andpulled it in there right and
they're hanging out.
He locks up the shop.
We're like, hey, fuck, good forthis, dude, you know what I
mean.
Half hour later, dude, carpulls up, hot stops and it's his
wife, shut up, yeah, dude, andkids are in the back seat,
gnarly, and she's yelling,banging on the door, her in

(05:40):
there, and we're just likewatching, watching, and she
starts yelling at us she's allwhere's that motherfucker?
and I told her I'm like, hey,we're not in this dude like,
we're just like that's yourbusiness, right?
So it's going on for a while,we're just watching.
Oh, you're my welcome.
Well, the dude opens up thedoor and he's like you crazy
bitch, what are you doing?
And and we're like what?
She lets it, he lets her in.
I'm like what the hell?

(06:02):
he's her somewhere he's stuffedher somewhere and I don't know
how.
I don't know if my mentor, thisguy, rudy I'm gonna put him on
there, rudy martinez, greattattooer but he somehow gets
this idea.
I don't know if he's done thisshit before, but he goes hey,
that chick's in the roof.
I'm what the fuck are youtalking about?
I know this game already, dude.
So we run to the back of theshop and we stand on this.
There's this bookshelf, stand,stand up.
Sure enough, dude, this chick'sup there, just a bra.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
No shirt.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
And she's perched up like a fucking owl, no way In
the ceiling.
Yeah, and I look up and she'slike looking down and I'm the
apprentice who goes get up there.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
What do you mean?
Get up?
What do you?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
mean get up.
What do you mean?
Get up there?
He's all fuck.
So I had to crawl on thislittle bookshelf thing, hoping
the fucking thing didn't cave in, put her on my shoulder and
bring her out, sure enough andshe sits down and she's right
her response?
She goes hey, I'm the whore andwe go.
We know, want a beer.
It's like straight up.

(06:59):
I think she ended up partyingthe rest of the night.
I was opening the shop at like11.
That guy was crazy.
I kind of missed that.
Dude, I was opening at 11 andhis shop was already open.
Dude, I'm unlocking the door.
I'm probably hungover.
I'm unlocking the door and allof a sudden some kid comes
flying out of his shop and itstarts running.
Dude, this motherfucker comesout with a big, big ass Desert
Eagle looking thing.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And he's waving.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
He's like you motherfucker yelling like this
and I'm like what?
The vice too early for the shit, what?
And he fucking looks at me.
He's like motherfucker and hegets in his car.
It's a Mercedes.
It bombs down the street afterhim.
Yeah, shit was like that allthe time.
I love that.
That area was just somethingthat always happened.
Yeah, there's something aboutthe thrill of it, it's because
they're always put in a certainspot too right, like they're

(07:42):
always zoned next to shit, likethat.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah.
It attracts it for sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's parts of it whereyou're like man.
That shit was fun, right yeah?
Newport had another good onetoo, there's kids nowadays that
are tattooing that have no ideathat sounds terrifying to them.
They would quit tattooingimmediately.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Oh, for sure, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, oh yeah, fuck.
Here's a story, dallas, right,this shop was on the second
floor.
We were open until midnight.
A lot of times 1, 2 am right,busy, busy shop, artistic
Encounter.
They have a few locations.
Actually they had a fewlocations.
I think they're down just inDeep Ellum now one location.
But yeah, we're in the shop andthis Mexican dude, like

(08:27):
obviously heavy gang member typedude, he walks in.
He's just like staring at thewalls and we're all like what
the fuck?
And it's like getting latemidnight or so, we're like what
the fuck is this fool doing?
And he just starts saying he'slike, oh, I'm about to fuck this
place up.
We're like, oh, you're about to.
What I mean?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
are you all calm like that?
So then he walked into theowner of the shop.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Billy Jack he had his own room, private area.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
And he randomly walked into his area saying he
was going to fuck his room up.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
So, needless to say, someone gets on the horn has to
call the cops.
I'm not calling the cops, I'm.
I'm going in there and I'm like, hey, dude, you gotta get the
fuck out.
And he starts to act crazy.
So three or four of us end uphaving to pack this dude out.
Right, the cops show up aswe're beating this dude's ass
and dude was on pc something.
Yeah, it was like a fuckingwild animal.
Couldn't you know what I mean?
Literally like what a cradlemost of dudes.

(09:20):
This dude was just like fuckingtaking it still get his ass
beat yeah anyways, the cops endup showing up grabbing this fool
.
Next thing you know, we'restanding on the because I said
we're on the second floor.
We're standing looking down thebalcony and the cops have them
on the ground.
The cops are having to fuckthis dude up because the cops
gun, oh my god like this dudejust walked in hell-bent a

(09:41):
fucking that was gnarly and noneof us were down with it.
We were like you're doingnothing, no, we're going to fuck
you up.
I don't know what you think thisplace is, but this wasn't the
spot to come in here and actlike he said.
The same thing to the cops toowe'll fuck you guys up too, and
then we look down and they'refucking him up.
Oh shit, all the time yeah justfunny too, and drunk ones.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
I remember in newport a really funny one I had was uh
, we were slamming one night,slamming dude shops full, and
this little asian dude comes in.
He's like I want a tattoo, justbeing obnoxious, and one of the
girls that worked there, she'sokay.
Because he kept saying, okay,I'll tattoo you.
So she draws a big dick on thisguy's back, huge right, no big
deal with a sharpie.
We're all laughing, he's allright, cool, cool.

(10:22):
And he fucking takes off.
Well.
He goes to the bar and I guessstart showing people right.
So they're laughing at him likeyou got a dick on your back,
you know, and so he comes back,he comes back in.
He's like, and he's like hey,who did?
Who put dick on me?
Like, yeah, like who did thisright?
And we're laughing like, hey,it's cool because it's a chick
anyways yeah, but he washammered, he was out of his mind

(10:43):
right.
So he's going off.
He's yelling and yelling.
And finally the owner uh, let'sdo cream.
I worked for cool guy, hetrains and shit.
So he and he's got a short fusewith that shit.
He bolts up to the front rightaway, grabs this dude, uses his
body to get through the frontdoor, pushes him out, and so we
all follow right.
We all want to see what thefuck's going on.
Yeah, so the guy's yelling likeno, put dick on my back you

(11:04):
know this and that and the guythat cream's been cool.
He's like just get the fuck outof here, right and uh.
So I get next to cream and uh,he starts shoving him and shit
and laughing and the guy getsback on the curb.
And then I shove him off thecurb, gets back on the curb like
, hey, dude, just get out ofhere.
You know well, all of a suddenthis taxi cab pulls up, stops,
leaves his cab in the street,two lane highway, walks over and

(11:24):
he's like, why'd you do that tomy friend?
We're like dude, who the fuckare you?
You know, like, who are you?
The guy's like, you guys didthat to my friend.
So cream starts shoving him tohim to get in his cab.
I I'd shove the other guy like,go this way, shit's going,
people are grabbing me, grabbinghim.
It's going well.
He gets on.
The cab driver, gets on thephone.
I'm calling the cops, you guys,you guys are harassing him.
Right, it's hilarious.
Gets on and you can hear theguy talk.

(11:46):
He goes.
He goes, yeah, I'm out front ofthe tattoo shop and these guys
are at what?
Yeah, yeah, I had a little bitto drink, right?
He tells him that.
Right, it's hilarious, oh shutup.
It's hilarious we start dying.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, anyways anyways the cops yeah, the cops go.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, dude, it's hilarious, the cab's chilling
right there.
Cops pull up, they pull downthe street a little bit and, uh,
asian dude takes off.
He runs over there and he showshim his back and from a
distance we can see the copslaughing right he turns around
the cops are like dude, crackingup, cracking up, and uh, he
comes back and they starttalking to us what happened?
oh, blah, blah, blah.
Long story, short dude.
They cuff up the taxi driver,take him in for a DUI, impound

(12:24):
his taxi and all he had to dowas mind his own fucking
business.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but it was pretty awesome.
I love that story.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Now we've got stories going.
I've got another one withDallas, because that was when I
was young, right, I was likeearly 20s.
This was back in the day whenshop shit was always cracking
off, something was happening,somebody was fighting, somebody
was partying, whatever.
You know, there's somethinggoing on, right.
So it's one of our good clients, good buddy of ours.
Uh, he wrote, he wrote a harley, he wrote a bike, and so he

(12:51):
would, uh, come by and just hangout all the time.
Well, this was in a bigshopping center, right.
So at the end of the shoppingcenter there was a some type of
club kind of thing, a restaurant, just any and everything you
could have thought, you know,think about in our shopping
center was there.
So this dude, you know, he'd bedown at the end getting
something on the bike andinstead of going out on the
street, he would just drive tothe shopping center to get to

(13:12):
the tattoo shop and come hangout.
Well, across the street fromthe shop was some not so nice
apartments, right?
Wasn't in a good part of Dallas,right, so there was always
undesirables walking around,right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
so there was always undesirableswalking around, right, yeah,
yeah.
And so this one day, dude shitwas hilarious, I've never,
anyways.
So he's, he's at the end of thethe shopping center.
He starts to make his way downon the bike.

(13:33):
He's making his way down on thebike and there's a dude walking
in the middle of basicallywhere you're supposed to drive.
You know there's parking spotsthere's obvious areas where
you're supposed to be driving.
And this dude's walking andhe's swishing, he's got the
purse, he's fucking oh yeah,super flamboyant gay black dude,

(13:53):
right, oh yeah.
And so my homie's just likefuck you, don't get the fuck out
the way.
So he revs up, yeah and thedude looks back at him and still
swishing, he's like fuck you,motherfucker.
Right and my, my homies justgot out their army.
He loved to scrap, so heimmediately said hey, fuck you
faggot, like you know what Imean.
Immediately like no big dealSets the bike down and bro sets

(14:18):
the bike down, walks off.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
We're out front of the shop.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
We're talking about hanging out.
Everyone's outside.
If you're not tapped, like ourshop, you hang out.
You bullshit, some dude smoke,whatever.
Whatever, we're hanging outfront.
We look down the way and we seehomie out there, I'm like oh we
already

Speaker 3 (14:30):
know what's going to happen.
Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Don't do it to this boy, right bro, as soon as my
homie gets off the bike Like shh, shh, shh you know what I mean
he immediately was like what'sup, dog, what's?
Up he lost the game.
It was gone and it was like wescrapping.
Oh damn, locked in and my homiebeat his ass.
I told him it was hilarious.

(14:51):
I was like the first time.
I was like, oh, he's not.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
That could have been a life-changing moment.
Right there, hood right, andyou were just waiting to see,
like you did not want to have totell your boy you got his ass.
Yeah, just wait for it.
But it diffused.
Yeah, you know.
That's the thing about newportthat I enjoyed, man, newport was
a is a very nice city right.
We all been down there.
It's really nice.
There's a dark part of thattown.
Man people party and it getsdark down there, dude oh,
there's copious amounts ofcocaine, everything.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh yeah, that's a big part of this copious amounts,
dude.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
It's insane factor.
Just, I think there was alwayssomething that town.
There was always somethingcracking off.
Man people would fist, fightand fall through the window of
the shop.
I remember one time it was myfirst year out there for fourth
of july my, my boss is like yougot a beach chrysalis.
Yeah, it's like fourth of julycracks, it's like we're gonna go
down the peninsula, I'm like itdoes, though it does, it's wild
, it's it's absolutely it'sabsolutely crazy.

(15:51):
It's insane it's absolutelycrazy.
But I remember we're driving,we're riding down, we're pulling
up next to the shop and there'sa dude just pissing on the door
and crim, locks it up, gets offhis bike, kicks the dude right
in the ass, boom, and he falls,pees all over himself.
He's like what the hell man,get the hell out of here.
I'm like dude, what the hell?
I liked it down there, man, Ihave a lot of, a lot of good
times in that area, man yeah alot of good times.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Our bums are calm.
Well, it's different now.
Right when we were early on,what was the drug of?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
choice it was meth it was speed it was cocaine it was
uppers motherfuckers weretrying to get froggy.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now they're all on fentanyl heroin.
They're borderline about to dieas they're walking around.
They're of no threat to us, youknow, yeah, until they are.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
You had a chick trying to talk to me the other
day, did you see her?

Speaker 4 (16:37):
She's trying to talk to you.
Talk to you.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Trying to chocolate.
Yeah, she was, oh shit is she aregular?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
is she a?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
regular around there.
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Yeah, she's looking for derrick, oh, yeah so what happened?
No, she just came and sat by meand I was like I just acted
like I was working.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Did you?
Oh, really, you didn't staythere.
Oh yeah, no, I don't believeyou.
No, I didn't stay.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I don't believe you I stayed there, I stayed there.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was chilling.
Because that's one thing Inoticed about you working with
you You'll start talking to amotherfucker and I got to walk
away because I'm like Brandon'sgoing to get this motherfucker
going and I don't want to hearit.
I lean in, you do I lean in?
You entertain it.
He entertains it.
Just so you know I'm rightthere.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Just so you know for the hood dudes.
There's some dudes that come inand I want you to know, I just
want you to know.
So I lean in rather than likethe dudes that are disrespectful
to in cap.
In cap is like that's my boy,that's my mentor, so that's like

(17:53):
part of me is just like, oh yes, you're acting foolish.
Yes, you may, but I lean inrather than lean back, because,
reserve Brandon, or or the oldbrandon, I I struggled with
confrontation so I'd eitherfight you or I just fucking
wouldn't deal with it at all.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
So now I just well, you almost you almost enable it,
if you don't address it right,if you allow them to act crazy
and I just try and treat them asbest as possible.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
So you're asking stories, I'm asking you see, I
can't, I can't, I can't do thatwhat the main story that we all
laugh about?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
right which one, Since he's been here.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Which one?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Lars oh Lars.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
I felt bad for you on the Lars story man, that was
messed up.
I felt bad only because I waslike dude.
This fool just fucking startedhere.
He doesn't deserve this.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, it was messed up, so it was like what?
Day three maybe?

Speaker 1 (18:42):
First week.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
First week.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
It was first week.
And I did you know, this chickcalled in.
She was like, yeah, I want tocome down.
You know I have my kids.
I was like, yeah, if they'recool, fine.
I was like they'll have to sitin the lobby.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
They sucked.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Whatever, they fucking sucked Hood ass.
Kids jumping all over the.
He called them little bay-basedkids.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
They were.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
They were bay-based kids.
I kept having to tell the oneto go around the other side when
they wrote that theme, that wasthe kids that they were talking
about, and you know they wereleaning back in the chair, they
were doing all this stuff.
So she wanted to get herboyfriend's name on her face,
right?

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Dude's locked up.
Dude's locked up.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Dude's locked up.
I got a brother that's beenlocked up for 25 years, so I
know the gang very, very well, Iknow that, I know it very well.
She's a pawn in his littlescheme, like she's, whatever.
That's his only little accountto the street, whatever Titty
pictures, all of that, whatevershe's doing.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Sneaking it in.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
You know putting it, you know putting it.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
You know, yeah, yeah prison wallet he's got, you know
, all of that stuff anyways sowhere was that?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
where was that?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
she came in.
She came and got the facetattoo so she came in.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
She's like oh, I want to get my or my man's face or
my man's name on my face, andI'm like man you don't want to
do that you know, like shelooked like somebody who would
have already had it.
There you go.
That's a good way to describeher.
She looked like somebody whowould have already had something
For sure.
She's in here referencing blueface and oh, I want to get you
know this and that and the other.

(20:15):
She didn't just want it.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
She fucking wanted it .

Speaker 3 (20:19):
She wanted it, big dog, and she's getting mad at me
because, I'm trying to keep itsmall on her because I know
everybody regrets these things.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
See, I wasn't there for that.
I saw the aftermath.
I have a daughter.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
It was on a Tuesday, so it was just me and Brandon.
She's getting mad at me.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm like you don't want to do that.
She's like you're not goingjust do whatever the fuck she
wants.
And she's like yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Who am I to say don't get a fucking FaceTap?
I'm like fucking tattoo this,yeah, yeah, she's like she gets
all hyped up and I'm like, allright, okay, fuck it.

Speaker 1 (20:57):

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I'm like fuck it I.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
You still did it.
Tasteful size, I did it.
It still wasn't crazy, I did itshe wanted it.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
She wanted it on her whole from her sideburns, that
was tasteful.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
That was the bottom of her dog.
That was not tasteful.
That shit was big as fuck shewanted it, fucking big dog.
See, I saw the aftermath of it.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
He was like oh, you don't have a sideburn, so it's
facing forward.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, because the L is facing forward, because the L
is only going one way and the Ris facing forward.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, so it's facing forward.
You can have it on both sides.
That's the way Totally.
You do it on this side.
You know?
Yep, that's the proper way I dothe tattoo.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
She's fucked up the whole time.
For some reason she likes me.
I'm like I don't know what Idid, but I'm just trying to get
her in and try to get her out.
Try to close the shop.
Give her some money, yeahbecause she's the type of chick
bro honestly normal people Iwould have been like, hey, will
you grab your kid?
Yeah, your kid's being mad,disrespectful.
She was the type of person thatwas like it would be a whole
fucking Me and him.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Both were like handle the tattoo Make your money, dog
.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Let's close this bitch up, let's get the fuck in.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
So I do the tattoo, I come back in the next day.
All these guys are fuckingtattooing, laughing, laughing.
And McCharles.
What did McCharles say?
He said, hey, I had to dealwith her.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
No, we all did.
Mccharles said did you do atattoo?
Did you do a tattoo?
Did you do a?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
tattoo yesterday backwards and I thought To see
what you would say.
And I was like Nah, I was likeI did a name on a face and he
was like, well, which way is theface?
And I was like this way, theway letters go the right way and
he was like okay, good, and Iwas like because she just came
back in giving everybody shithad to say our part Throwing a
fit.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
The next day, 100%.
She said all my friends havethe tattoo and his face in the
other.
And me and him both looked ather and said well, all your
friends have backwards fuckingtattoos and it was clean as fuck
.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I even told her I'm like, well, because she looked,
she'll look at it and I'm likeit's clean.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
She's like I have lettering in the same fucking
spot.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yo look at mine oh yeah, yeah yeah, Look at mine.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
It says respect and it says loyalty.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
It doesn't say anything else and she was like
no, she kept arguing, she keptarguing.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I'm not from here, no , so she kept arguing.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
And then I said well, that's how lettering goes.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
She's like well, I'm pretty sure it's the same way
across the US, we all speakfucking.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
English it doesn't change it took an innocent
bystander of one of the clientsgetting tattooed her friend or
mom, whoever it was she took apicture.
This lady was an angel.
We were fed up.
I said my part.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Everybody went silent over it.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
This chick is fucking retarded.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I have nothing to do with this, all right.
This chick is fucking retarded.
I can't.
I have nothing to do with this,all right.
It was wild, he took a photoand then showed her.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
She was looking at the mirror image, wasn't she?
Well, she FaceTimed her dude inprison and the guy was getting
mad because it was backwards inthe FaceTime.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
You fucking bitch.
Like cast her up.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
She went in there when it finally clicked bro, she
goes.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
She goes.
Sorry guys, see you later.
And just walked out.
She didn't just rip into.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
For about a half hour she was like well, I guess it's
right and I'm like what thefuck?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
That was the wildest interaction we all said we were
so thankful that Brandon did thetattoo because she would have
pulled the race card immediately.
You white motherfucker, she wasthat type, she would have
fucking flew off the handle.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
She didn't like anybody, she didn't.
I felt for you because I thinkwhat she, and that was the name
Lars, lars, l-a-r-s Lars is whatshe wanted she wanted Lars
Costello.
That's why she wanted it big.
She wanted Lars Costello.
That's wild.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, I'd have fucking told her no.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
First week.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
I felt for you on that dude.
I was just like I can't believethis dude just starting to have
to deal with that shit.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It didn't sound real when she came in, because I was
like I saw him do the tattoo.
Is that Lars?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, it looked good, it was solid.
Yeah, it was solid we're nottheir dad right, I think you
come in.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
You tell me exactly what you want.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm like you know every repercussion.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
See, dude, I still feel like I have some of that
old school in me where I don'tdo that.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
You did say some shit .
You were like if somebody wereto fucking tattoo my daughter on
the face.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Oh, I'm fucking that shop's going down.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
I'm burning that motherfucker down.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Right.
It made me think too.
I was like so does that make mebad in this situation?
I was like does that make mebad?

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Because no, I think that's everybody's got their own
moral on it, but what I'msaying is I still have a little
bit of that, you know, onlybecause of how acceptable it is.
All these kids are gettingtheir fucking faces tattooed,
yeah, and whatever dude parent,I don't give a shit.
But I do give a shit a littlebit because I'm like dude, you
don't even have a sleeve and youwant me to tattoo your face.

(25:52):
I came up that way, like in theshop I was getting tattooed my
uncle's shop, you know, lucky'sdown san diego.
I remember going into him and Ididn't have a full sleeve and
I'm like hey, do my hand.
He's like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
no, dude, you nerd like you need to get some
sleeves first.
You need to get some bodytattoos first before you start
getting your hands.
That's a total rite of passage,like my mentor gave me the
grace.
A dog and even tattooing.
You can get your hand dude andeven then I think.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
I think my uncle would look at me right now and
still be like you still don'thave enough torso tattoos to
have your neck in your hand.
That's just how it was.
You know what I mean, and sowhen I see these young kids do
that, I mean I could take yourmoney all day long, but it ain't
worth it to me.
I I, you know.
I don't want you to regret that.
I don't want you to come backand be like oh, you did this to
me.
I don't want to deal with that,I don't.
I don't want to have a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I'm in a tricky situation, cause how can I tell
someone anybody you're?

Speaker 4 (26:37):
all blast on your face, yeah it.
Third, you try to educate them,try to look out for them.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
they go get it somewhere else and they're
coming back to you to fix it,recover it, yeah, so I'd rather.
That's fine, they can gosomewhere.
But it all depends on thescenario.
You come in, you're askingabout this on your arm, this on
your leg, you go down the gamutall of a sudden.
What about this on my face?

Speaker 4 (27:02):
fuck off, go think about it yeah, 100, tell me, I
want this image.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
boom, boom, boom.
Right here you got a decentamount of tattoos.
Cool, I'll tattoo your fuckingface.
I'm not going to tell you, no,I've whip shaded on faces.
I've done fucking tattoos onfaces.
Right, come from the hardcorescene, dude.
I had my first face tattoo whenI was 18 years old.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
I didn't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, you know.
But hindsight, even still, asyou know, in the industry I am
it's perfectly acceptable,perfectly fine.
There's times where I thinkabout lasering off every single
face tattoo just to be able tobe just a normal person.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
And honestly, I think that's going to come around, I
think that's going to starthappening.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
And just being more, I guess, conservative about it.
I wish I could just take allthe head, my whole head's
tattooed all the neck and justfill in the little gaps that I
have left.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
I don't have a lot, but the tattoos I do have here
would fill it in.
I'd be good.
I think that's gonna starthappening too.
I think a lot of people thatare doing that shit are gonna do
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
You're saying maybe a sparrow, just real subtle, like
it used to but I was a youngkid, I was angry at the world
and see, those are the kids.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
I'm not trying to fucking do that too, and I think
that's just morality to me.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was in a tattoo shop so they were like fuck you.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, yeah, and have these kids earn.
I'm like dude.
What do you do for work?
They're like dude.
I work at Chick-fil-A.
I'm like what the?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
fuck Yo shit.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, dude, that's not a career homie.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
You got a long time dog.

Speaker 2 (28:16):

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Like hold out a bit that shit, dude.
You better fucking be gone bythe time I find it Not going to
deal with that shit, dude.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
And I agree, hey Lars .

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I'm the wrong one.
At the end of that rainbow.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
You're the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Shit was funny, though.
Yeah, that was a fucked upstory.
Closing out roundups.
I do want to mention that theseguys just did a killer set of
flash collaboration um sixsheets six sheets that'll be up
for sale real soon here, if youguys we're gonna run some print
sets of all that.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Uh, yeah, just so, because I constantly people are,
I have sets of flash.
Never done a full set with anyother artists before.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Uh so special.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, kevin should feel special Now.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
I felt rusty dog is what I felt.
I felt rusty is what I felt.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
A little motivation to get back.
You know, there's periods oftime where we're we're jaded or
we're busy, he's a workhorse.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I'll fucking pay.
It's insane when.
I don't want to paint Dude.
It's fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'll paint when I want to paint.
I talked about it with the gym.
You're building that discipline.
Oh yeah, if you're waiting onmotivation, you're not going to
do fucking shit with your life.
If you build a discipline,you'll do what needs to be done,
fucking regardless.
There's days I don't want tofucking look at a design or
paint or do shit.
You know what I do.
I'm supposed to do right.
So he was going through youknow creative things because it

(29:50):
happens in tattooing and so hegot the itch, started doing a
couple sheets on his own.
Say, you want to split?
So split sheets.
So we did six sheets together.
We're actually starting onanother set, right?
now we're actually working on,or the front of the shop,
typical flash setup.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Uh rose of flash yeah , just make it from all of us
how I was brought in.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
If something's on the wall, you better have fucking
painted it.
If you buy someone else's shit,that shit's for your house,
right?
Your shit is to help you makemoney.
It's to make it lookpresentable.
It's to say, yeah, everythingon the wall is we fucking
painted.
We're artists.
Why aren't you painting?

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Which is honestly dude.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Really, I don't think I've worked in a shop yet like
that I know hb was like that, ifyou walk into a shop and be
like everything on the walls.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
But even still, even looking at his shit on there,
sometimes it's a littleimpressive, right?
It's really nice, it's actuallyimpressive.
Like when I started looking,I'm like it's fucking impressive
and he's right, you know, and Ithink that's what got me
motivated to like it holds a lotof weight with people that
don't think it does.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
They can't even fathom what that means.
Yeah, you mean hand everything.
You want to talk about puttingyour shop on a top tier level.
I can only think of a a couplenot even a handful, because like
that do this, you know they'vestarted mystery one in new york
is one of the only shops I knowof that has done this, where it
is all by the artist.
Because, back to what I wassaying about the style, right,

(31:07):
if you go into a shop and picksomething out, whatever that, if
that artist didn't do it, it'sa watered down version of the
real fucking thing.
Right, you know what I mean.
There's originators andduplicators.
Which one do you want?
so I I'm a firm believer that ifyou walk into the shop we all
got into tattooing to createshit why aren't you creating
shit?
You know it's the reason forchange.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
It's the reason you go to places.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
It's how you develop a style.
It's how you figure out colorcombos.
It's how you figure outeverything them starting the
timetable.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Now you know they started the five.
He's already has another row.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And I just did the biggest painting I've ever done
right before that, if you're inthat shop.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
If you're at Breakthrough Tattoo right now
and you don't paint a row offlash, your stuff is good.
You're going to look a littlefunny in there.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But even still, if you're not doing that, look at
Ernie.
That dude's crushing charcoallittle sketches daily.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
He's already thinking he's got an idea of how he's
going to lay his flash sheet out.
It's inspiring all around.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Steve's painting again daily.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
It's one of the things you can't argue Ernie's,
one I'm very impressed withright now too, very impressed
with Ernie right now hischarcoal even just his black and
gray tattooing.
Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Some people need that motivation, not even the
motivation, the discipline.
I don't know what it is.
It's like a discipline no, ofcourse, but I'm saying it
wouldn't have started if otherpeople weren't on that tip but
I've been.
I don't know how but I'vepainted this way and tattooed
this way my entire career.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I don't have anything to judge from it too, because
I'm coming in and just trying tomatch the pace.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I didn't have a barometer of what it was before
you guys were betting on howlong it was going to take me to
do that, two-foot by three-footdragon.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I think I did it in half the time.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
The biggest painting I've ever done, which soon to do
a lot more of those.
I actually want to really takeon a lot of the old traditional
Japanese dudes who would do it.
Chris has actually done a fewReally inspiring.
I have a decent amount of backpieces that I get to do.
I really want to start doingthe full painting of the back
piece I'm doing Right now.
I do a full render on thefucking gay iPad.

(33:11):
Cool Helps me out.
It serves a great purpose butit doesn't hold weight.
You know, those things sit inthe iPad one day that shit went
up in the trash.
But if I have a collection ofall the back pieces, that this
is for me.
That tattoo cool, I made goodmoney, I helped pay some bills,
we had fun with the kiddos, tookmy wife out, whatever awesome

(33:32):
but that painting will live withme and give to my son and that
shit will last for fucking everand it's yeah at the end of the
day.
What do you want to leave theworld like?
Your shit's gone.
I want my kids to be like lookwhat my dad did.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
like I remember, uh, I was leaving the shop one day
and I was looking at some of theverbiage on some of his
paintings, because he uses wordsin poetry and some of the
things, which is funny, becauseI don't feel to be that way but
I guess it is what it is, man.
I guess it does.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think it comes from reading books and having a.
I love history and I thinkreading history stuff kind of
inspires you for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, and getting to know him.
I felt cool about this.
I looked at one of the pieceswithin the shop and it was like
a letter to his mom.
His mom passed a year ago andit's been heavy for him.
And I came back in and I madesure to bring it up.
I was like hey is that for yourmom, he's like I don't know and
like that.
Oh yeah, I do remember it.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
It's just lettering.
Yeah, it's a lettering piece.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's not even.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, it's talking about the one on the corner
closest to the walkway.
It's a cool piece.
It's a cool piece.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I don't know it just, but they're definitely
lethargic.
I feel like at that time.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I think about it, didn't even think about it.
It just there's so muchinformation that is brought upon
your emotional pieces of art.
Yeah, there's so much that goesinto deciding to do this piece
on this day at this time withthe time capsule 100 and uh yeah
so when you guys tell me, Idon't even think

Speaker 1 (35:07):
about?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I don't even think about it, I say ah, fuck that
but I think that comes frombeing authentically me and going
through what I'm going through,like there's periods of times
where things will resonate acertain way and there's certain
times where it's like dude, thisdude, you can tell he's going.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And it's not like it's still traditional.
But if you know style, he'svery style-specific.
I would say Kevin too, I knowyou do.
I can still tell Kevin will bea gamut, but you can still, like
I said, tone and gray, blackand gray.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
It's how you talk, it's how you walk.
That resonates, fuck.
That resonates in yourtattooing.
Whether the subject matter isin a specific style or not.
You can look at something andbe like oh, so-and-so did it.
By how he shades.
Like I tell people now I don'teven know how to shade other
than how I shade now Like if Iwere to try to do another style,
it's going to look like Ifucking did it traditionally.
No, it's just going to looklike what I do.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, no, it would look weird.
Yeah, it would look weird.
I'd ask them that all the time.
Hey man, if you switch yourcolor palette, how would this
work out?
It wouldn't.
He said it wouldn't work out.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I don't know.
I feel like I could randomly dosome random-ass colors and it's
still going to look because ofhow I line rate the detail.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
There's too much that goes into.
Maybe it is so refined at thispoint?
Yeah, Because you're dealingwith history too.
You don't do anything past 1960.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, that's exactly why I use small lines.
I used to use bigger lines.
That was a trend, right.
Everyone was doing this, doingthat and it's like the reason
you're doing that is becauseyou're looking at a tattoo photo
of a 50-year-old fucking tattoo.
You're like these fuckers weredoing everything with the three
and a five.
Yeah, there's detailed as fuck.

(36:53):
Go look at ben corday, go lookat george briquette, go look at
uh almond diesel.
Look at these dudes that wereearly tattoos even 1800s 1900s.
This shit looks like a fuckingportrait.
Damn near any lines, yeah, butit's immaculate, but it's.
It's so resonates that it'straditional yeah that there's no
arguing it, so it's like, well,it's just to strip it down and

(37:14):
make it dumb as fuck, to make itlook true it that doesn't
doesn't hold weight.
I want my tattoos to look thebest possible they can, and
that's why I care so much abouthow they heal serve its age I
want them to like look goodforever like it's irresponsible
at a certain point, depending onhow you draw.
If you draw really simple, youcan get away with it, yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
I think you can, I think you can get away with it
still.
I think a bold line still looksvery clean to me.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I still like a bold line, but he is right.
You know what's crazy?
That's newer.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
No, no, well, even Japanese.
I worked with this guy down inNewport.
This guy named Bruce and he andhe would fuck.
He did really.
You know that fool right?
Yeah, he's a trip, that dude'sa trip.
I got some stories of thatmotherfucker too.
Anyways, he was a great artist,and Japanese especially, and he
would line everything fullsleeves with a three, japanese

(38:10):
with a three, and I alwaystripped on that shit and I'm
like dude, what are you doing?
Dude, put a five in there,motherfucker put a seven in
there, motherfucker and that'swhat he said.
He said, dude, because he said,by the time these lines expand,
it's gonna look great still youguys asked me on a back piece oh
, what size line is that?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Someone who's a little bit more slow in getting
the back done, so two, threeyears age on it while you're
working.
Normally I can get backs donesix months to a year, depending
on as long as the person's youknow.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Consistent.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Which most people are .
I'm very thankful and verylucky in that.
But he'll ask me oh, what was Idone with?
And I'm like it was done withthis.
And he's like holy fuck.
I'm like yeah, yeah, not tomention backs.
Expand more than anywhere elsethe lines get even bigger on the
back.
So, it's like you know, peopleask me like oh.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
I think there's a lot of different factors too,
though Are you going to do abigger line on?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
the back.
I'm like fuck, no, I'm going todo the same size line, so it
looks the same as every othertattoo.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
No matter what happens?

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, a fine line tattoo on an older person
doesn't work no, younger person,it's got to be big enough,
right, you're not?

Speaker 3 (39:08):
doing my three.
I run it slow, yeah, you kindof have to, so just do you I run
it too.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
I run fast as far as hard my machines are hard right,
you're not like that's anotherthing.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I do too that I don't know a lot.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yes, you know what I think I uh tip of the needle
with everything me too, but witheverything I do.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
You used to line with a brush paintings uh, back in
the day now.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I'm not lazy now, yeah, I sharpie that shit, but
um, because I think that helpedme.
You know what I remember, Iremember, I remember yeah, I
remember tattooing when I wastattooing six feet under, I
don't know why I started doingthat.
I hang the needle a lot and Iremember I hang the needle like
a motherfucker dude that's why Ispit it, but I run them hard
and I run them hard and Iremember one time Corey came

(39:49):
behind me and he's just like itwas like a bold seven, but it
looked like a five.
He's like how the fuck are yougetting that line to look like
that?
And I'm like I don't know.
He's like you're running thetip, huh.
And I do with every tattoo.
I do, and I think because ofthat up a little bit longer,

(40:14):
yeah, but but then I get, butthen I.
But then I get frustrated toobecause I'm like, fuck, this
line's not as bold as I want itto be, but I'm also not burying
it.
But I have noticed when healingcomes around it

Speaker 1 (40:17):
usually heals because it's gonna expand.
Well, it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
I just don't know any other way, you know?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I don't know any other way.
With the same way with that I Iuse a tip as well, and it's
funny because guys will beinterested and you work with
people.
You fucking are going to stealthings here and there.
It naturally just happens.
Fuck yeah, tattooing is allabout stealing shit.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
It happens.
I don't give a fuck what anyonesays.
Dude, All these originaldesigns.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Dudes will work with me and be like oh what size
liner.
I tell them and I'm like, oh,you want to try one here, I'll
give it to them and I want tohear it.
I'll give it to them andthey'll do the tattoo whatever
they're doing.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Fuck why do my lines, not look like that Mine's way
bolder.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I'm like, oh, it's because I think they're riding
the tube.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Riding the tube, yeah .

Speaker 3 (40:59):
They're bearing it.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I'm just barely grazing the skin.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, when are you guys headed in your career?
What should people come to youto seek?
Like I want to go to DerekBillingsley and get what.
Well it's obvious, right.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
The traditions.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I think larger scale stuff right now, honestly.
So for a long time you wouldget people that want back pieces
here and there, right, and youdo some fucking laborious
eight-hour session on this back,right, All the fucking lines,
because I draw details, all thelines and you never see that
motherfucker again.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, because it was so painful.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
It was so traumatizing.
It would last all fucking day.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
They would think then every other session from that
point on would be that way.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
So you want to do more back pieces.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Right, so I started working with traditional
Japanese dudes and they would doI'm talking like some dudes
would do an hour session on theback to four hours tops.
Yeah, and ever since I shifted,so now I break up the outline
on the back piece to twosessions, you know.
So.
Then each session is three tofour hours.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
That's how anybody can handle three to four hours
right?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
so then, I got to where oh shit, I'm completing
backs in six months.
Then people can not only affordto get tattooed once or twice a
month because you're not doingeight hours $1,600 sessions.
You're doing a little and sothen people are able to continue
to chip away.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
It's really so important and it helps so much
to where now I really have funwith them of your clientele.
It's very important we're stillknowing your worth as well,
yeah especially right now I wantto know where you're headed in,
where in your?
My career yeah, what's next foryou?

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I'm actually not really sure.
I feel like I'm at a little bitof a standstill with it.
I just want to do good tattoos.
Um, I don't know.
I feel like I'd like toeventually have my own thing
going, where I was able to atleast express a little bit more
of my art and tattooing.
Yeah, I don't know, right now Ijust I'm just kind of going with
the motions man.

(42:57):
I just want to do good tattoos.
I want to get to.
I would like to get a littlebit more of a, a wider, more
creative.
I feel like I'm doing a lot ofthe same shit right now and
don't know if that's because Idid something well, and they
just keep coming back for thatsame thing yeah, I think that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
If you want to curate adifferent approach, start
posting different shit if youdon't want to do a tattoo.
Do not post it, because youwill fucking do it if you don't
like it, don't post it in theshop.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
The other day we were just kicking shit around.
It was man.
I want to do more things withinthis niche.
Derek was fucking with him.
He's like yeah, you just got tostart fucking up all the things
that you don't want to do.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, but he doesn't know what he wants, that
right.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
It is a credit to you .
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Tattoos.
So they want that because I'vegone through it.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
It becomes a talent, it does it becomes a talent
being able to make anything lookgood, and he's good at it.
He uses his color, he uses hisblack and gray, he's got a lot
of tricks.
He's got a lot of tricks to thetrade, so it's interesting to
see.
But I've also asked too, likewhat is it you want to do?
Tell him, tell him what youwant to do.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
I don't know, you know, tell them, tell them what
you want to do.
I don't know, you know why?
Because I always thought, andeven even with derrick starting
there, I was like, dude, I kindof want to do some fucking
traditional like that, but thenevery once in a while, dude, I
like doing a cool black and likethat, that.
That, uh, angels, remember theangels that did on the thigh I
was like I wouldn't mind doingsome of that.
I so I don't know.
Every once in a while I'd likelike to get a cool, traditional

(44:27):
piece.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
He just doesn't want to do purple and green waves on
your fucking elbow.
So this is the thing Noted.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
This is the.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Thing.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Looking at the cohesive flash of your pieces
back, side by side.
It's a balance and in order toachieve that balance, it has to
match on a technical level andit has to match on design levels
color saturation and all ofthat type of stuff.
I think where you're supposedto be.
I just would love to see itlarger.
I would love to see it larger.

(44:57):
I would love, love to see aKevin Childs fucking back piece
totally me too.
They're out there no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, sat down
and approached it.
Modern day Kevin Childs justfucking going off Like the shit.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
You like man Not listening to you, you know, yeah
, I know, yeah, I'd like to seethat too.
I'd like to see that too.
I don't know, man, I got a lot.
I'm pulled in a lot ofdifferent directions right now,
man.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I'm pulled in a lot of different.
Do you think too far ahead ordo you just very present?

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Because I feel like.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I'm very present.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I'm extremely, very present right now.
I think a lot of it, too, isjust life.
I think I got a lot of lifesituations.
I'm very present.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
And different hobbies that I'm into ahead.
You know it changes.
I mean, I got a little girlthat's getting older and I got a
family now too, so it's likethere's different wants out of
tattooing that you get, because,yeah, there's plenty of years
that I was like man, like 30 ispeople well.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Well, you know what happens to people ask 40 is they
want to own a?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
shop and for years I'm like fuck.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
No, I don't want to do that because I don't want to
tarnish something I trulyfucking love.
I like being able to travel, domy thing, uh, tattoo.
I didn't want to lose the loveof it I didn't have to have the
boss role because I operate acertain way yeah if you show up
late.
I'm not.
I don't.
It's hard because tattooing isdifferent.
It's supposed to be free forall, but I'm a blue collar
fucking dude.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Oh yeah, you show up on time.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
You're fucking late and so that would be hard to
deal with, right, right, yeahyeah.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Especially in that industry.
That would be just like aparent right.
I'd be learning in that aspect.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
But I think now I am to the point where it's like
back to legacy.
I want to leave something tothis world.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I don't want to just be some dude.
That, yeah, I think about that.
I want to.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I want to have a shop that is running how I think.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
And it's, and it's, and it's respect, respect, yeah,
yeah, yeah, reputable.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
It's treated with respect and the tattoos are
going to be top tier.
And I think there's a lot ofveer off, get sidetracked with
life, but I think I want to havesomething tangible to hold on
to.
So I think eventually uh yeah,I'm definitely I want to do my
own own shop and and I think too, I think I think something like

(47:11):
that.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
I feel like now too, to definitely bring out some
creativity in yourself.
Right, because?
It's a passion of your ownthing.
It's that passion that this is.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I got to make sure that this works and it's like I
have the dedication anddiscipline with everything else,
like imagine if I was owning ashot that's why we get along so
fucking well, this motherfuckerhe's.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
So yeah, I'm the opposite.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I'm like fly by the sea in my pants and this fool's
like why didn't you draw it?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
yet and I'm like yeah what are you gonna draw?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
yeah, no, it works well you know it definitely
works.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
contrast for sure, total contrast.
They work in different ways.
Kev would work at the shop fora minute.
He'd be like fuck this, andthen he ended up taking his
stuff home.
Derek would come in early, he'sa.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
He shows up at 10.
Yeah, 9, 9.30, 10.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
But Well, let's ask you where do you see yourself
going?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Oh, wow.
So I see myself developing astyle.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
What do you like to do?
I think I know what you like todo, but what do you like to do?
What do you think?
I think you want to go moreblack and gray.
You want to go realism, don'tyou?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
I really enjoy tones of black and gray Realism.
I've been fighting going thatroute for a long time.
That is where I draw best.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Well, because I notice you'll draw something of
a traditional nature, but whenyou fill it in it's a little bit
more saturated, that's my base.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
That's my base.
Um, I have a hard time givingit traditional all the time and
I'm trying to make it look good,so I resort into the things
that I'm good at the tricks,yeah yeah, so I go to my, my
realism side.
Um, yeah, I need to push itthat way, but I don't want to be
another fucking peg on the wall, man, I want to have A
photocopier.
Yeah, I want to have a differentstyle.

(48:46):
We live in, you know.
Upwind, you know, is a mecca ofblack and gray right now,
chicano.
Black and gray.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Pomona, that shit's hitting hard.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
You should get some fucking cold-ass black and gray
out here, but it kind of alllooks the same.
It all looks the same, and nodisrespect to those guys out
there.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
It's still a hell of great work to put that stuff in
there it's great work to put itin there.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So I can just see myself refining myself, having
better business strategies goinginto the future, unveiling
products as far as powersupplies and furniture and
equipment so you want to getinto making shit too?

Speaker 4 (49:22):
huh, you want to.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah, I would like to provide something for tattooing
, since it's provided somethingfor me.
Um, I have a few things thatI've been kicking around that,
um, I might just pull thetrigger on.
You know we're doing b to zpodcasts.
Uh, this is one of thedevelopments and you know it, it
goes well.
I want to do and it's notnecessarily to make a shit ton
of money, because I've kind of,I came from money.

(49:45):
I don't know if anybody knewthat, but I came from money and
I have the ability to see theother side, and it really is not
that well, I was always told inthe beginning that like this is
the kind of industry where ifyou're looking to get rich, yeah
, I'm not trying to get rich,yeah, and, and the money?
well, memories.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
It's one of those things where it's like it's good
money, but if you're lookingfor it, you're gonna find it.
It's when you start doing.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
What you need to do is when it comes right in a
sense, kind of to say, like yourlegacy and paintings, this is a
painting for me, yeah oh, I getthat for sure.
This is a painting that will behere in the internet in the
cosmos that well, after it's gotits code, all of that genetic
type you know, it's got it's ownlittle thing yeah and uh.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I mean, how cool would it be for your kids to be
a year long gone and be able tohear their daddy's voice.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Well, you know, I was on live right now.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
That's super cool, yeah well, that's like paintings
right, because long with thepeople you tattoo on it.
But the paintings that you doshit, they press that shit and
keep it forever.
Yeah, yeah, hey.
Show their girl, you know.
Show the grandkids I didn'tmeet you, that don't give a shit
like hey, great, great grandpa,you know, painted this
realistically, I don't know ifI'll be tattooing for forever

(50:52):
really yeah that's in your mind,huh yeah, um, just based off of
my finances at the the modern,you know the current time right
now

Speaker 3 (51:01):
um, I don't know if it's a forever thing for me just
because I might be forced to dosomething different.
I knew once I had my last kidthat it would push the
limitations of tattooing andthat's why I'm having my
daughter was such a big deal andstuff like that and it's
definitely been a lot for me.
Like I will, all efforts willalways go to this craft and

(51:23):
stuff like that, but I don't, Ican't let my ego get in the way
of progression for things thatare bigger than I.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
I think you need to.
I think that we all need tounderstand right now.
I think we're all just goingthrough something presently as
far as tattooing, buttattooing's never going to go
away.
I think we're just in a.
This is a weird fucking time intattooing.
This is the slowest I've beenin 17 years.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
The bills are coming faster than the money.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
But I think that's just a now problem.
I don't think that's forever.
Like I said, this shit'sTattooing's been around for it
ain't going nowhere, dude, it'strippy too.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
I where, dude, it's trippy too.
Like I pick my kids up fromschool and people are like I
don't see how you would do it.
And I'm like fuck the shut, thefuck up.
Don't say that to me, becausesometimes, you know, I don't
even see how I do it.
You know I do it because Ifucking work hard.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You go to in a day and leave with a thousand
dollars man, I enjoy I don'ttell them that I've
thought about looking at adifferent career choice.
I've thought about it, right, Iright.
I look at this and I'm like,okay, I work these hours.
This, that the third no way inhell I'm leaving work early.
No way in hell I'm taking workoff to do this with my kids or
with my wife, or this or thatright, All that's bad.
And all your OTs get taxed outthe ass and then it's like I

(52:40):
could have made that amount ofmoney in four days, five days
what the fuck are we talkingabout?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Based my future relying on tattooers?
That's why I came to thatconclusion, because I've tried
hiring people and I've tried todo it in an honorable way, where
I'm not these fucking oldschool owners and poaching
everybody's pockets.
I was like here, just fuckingwork and shut the fuck up.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Well, I mean, that's definitely the stress of owning
a business, especially with, Imean it's a business, and then
you're also dealing with guyslike us.
That I mean.
I luckily I've had real jobs,dude, and I fucking know how to
fucking work.
But there's a lot of we're wildwith restraint, though With
restraint, you know what I mean.
Like I said, I'm not in my 20sanymore, so I'm a little bit

(53:22):
more laid back than I used to be.
Temper is a little less than itused to be.
But I think that a lot of thesekids that do this do it in the
same mind state of like guyslike us have been doing it for
17 years Like well, I don't wantto, I want to have freedom,

(53:44):
right, exactly.
So I can see the frustration inthat and I get that.
But uh, I mean, fuck, dude,tattooing is as much as I.
I say that some of the magic'sa little.
It's still got some coolelements to it and that's the
thing like.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
That's why I fight to tattoo.
You know, like I'm not givingmyself an advantage by tattooing
right now, 100 like%.
Because I choose to tattoo Iput myself at a disadvantage
financially.
I could go get a fucking joband fucking drive a tractor
around and do all of that shitand come home.
But I truly enjoy being aroundyou guys, drawing fucking,

(54:16):
interacting with the clients andhearing the stories, fucking
learning new things, seeingpoint of view, seeing people say
stupid shit.
Like we still live in a, wework in an environment where a
motherfucker will say some funnyfuck, that shit, Locker room
talk every single day of the dayand, honestly, that's where I'm
like.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I've thought about during times of this that the
third I've thought about becauseI can book appointments, I'll
do a studio right tattooing isfree.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
For one I'm like, ah, then I gotta tell people I'm
gay.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
And then for two I'm like man, I just can't.
I can't do it.
I like the barbershop vibewe're all around a shaved head
and every so often like fuck, Iwant to grow some hair, just
like I'll get a haircut, andbullshit with the guys.
That's what tattooing I love ismy client talking to his client
vice versa.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Even though I can't hear, we're still having these
conversations I like it,camaraderie, like, and everybody
makes sure everybody's cool.
Kevin is one of the busier guysin the shop.
If kevin is busy he's kickingdown.
He's like, hey, man, you takethis and for sure.
Like that's unheard of in a lotof shops, a lot of people are
like don't you fucking touchanything in my you know what I
mean.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Don't even look this direction.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
I've always worked with people that are the same
way yeah, yeah, I mean I justfigure we all got to eat, bro,
we're, we're family in thatmotherfucker.
I see these guys more than Isee my own family actually.
So for me it's like how am Igonna sit there and break bread
and this homie's fucking overhere like fuck, I am at a tattoo
yeah, I always say the bestdays.
Fuck that, that's miserable dude.
That's miserable dude.
And when I got into tattooingdude, I always thought tattooing

(55:43):
was a way to collect frompeople.
Like when I go down to myuncle's shop and get tattooed, I
had a majority of a guy tattoome.
But if you wasn't there, wellhey, and this guy's artwork is
fucking tight.
You know what I mean and yeah,I think that's cool.
So I like, I like and you knowI like to fucking like.

(56:03):
I want to see what this dude isgoing to do in my client.
I want to see what this dude isgoing to do in my client.
Don't go get fucked upsomewhere and come back.
Show me what you can do Cause,then I really be like, then I'll
be like dude.
No, I think everyone in thereshould stay happy.
You know, everyone should be inthere fucking tattooing.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Well, it just creates an overall good vibe with
everybody.
If everyone's making moneythat's a good fucking day.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
That's a good day.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I'm not stoked if I'm the only one that made money,
or you.
You know what I mean, like whenwe all tattoo all day, that's
the best day.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
It does feel good, right.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
When everyone's tattooing yeah, I've seen it.
Yeah, all over southerncalifornia right now one dude's
tattooing everyone's hangingaround bullshit, consistent,
it's really consistent.
In our shop, I will say knockon wood, most of us are.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
If you got it, it's the time you got it there's some
people that this slow periodit's not really affecting you
know, I mean they're, they'rethey're still pretty it is.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
It is to what they're used to.
But you're right, totally.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
You know, jim he's consistent the cascals, darla's
uh, you know, I know I know someother people that are not, that
are heavy hitters as well, butI get it seems to be the
individuals that are reallyinterested in their craft and
are down for tattooing are ourbusiness yeah, we'll see what
happens.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Clients pick that, pick up on that.
I do that.
You're all in.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
There's a level of fluff to tattooing you know what
I mean and it starts with aline with blue eyes.
Like, uh, it starts withfucking caesar.
You know that's the fluff sideof tattooing.
Um, I do fine line, but some ofit is the fluff of tattooing.
That's to prepare them for thelarger things.
A lot of the time they'recovering that shit up later to

(57:48):
receive a dragon from somebody.
Totally, because they've learnedso much more after being in the
shop.
Tattooing is a developing thing.
It's got its own.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
But not being above those little tattoos is what
Never above a tattoo 100%, dude,100%.
You know it's got its own, butnot being above those little
tattoos is what never above ahundred percent so, like dude, a
hundred percent makes me thinkof a point.
Recently I did a I can't recallwhat the tattoo actually was
right, tiny little tattoo, mom,and I think it was mom and
daughter type thing.
She just randomly walked in sheended up booking an appointment
for a half sleeve right anotherguy.

(58:19):
We did like a what was the carshow event?
Right?
Did a little flash special Guycame in, did a little oh a
little panther head.
I remember this one Littlepanther head on his leg.
I just now am sleeving hisentire leg with a framed out
sleeve.
That if I would have been toocool or booked up, I would have
never you would have built thatrelationship.
That would have been gone.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
That's a good way to use Friday the 13th.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
That has always been a day to me that should have
been more of a customerappreciation right that you're
looking at For sure.
Paying a ton of money, say youwanted to receive a sleeve and
you wanted to go receivesomething and see the work
Friday the 13th would be good.
Hey, cheat code.
Well, a lot of people thinkthat you charge X amount because
other asshole charges X amount.

(59:03):
They don't have any idea.
They come in on there and theysee it's going to be in this
range.
I could spend $300 and now I'mgoing to get a tattoo by this
guy they have no idea that.
I don't charge that much.
You could have got a cool tattooon the regular and then we talk
and they end up being a clientand getting tattooed all the
time, tattoo on the regular, andthen we talk and then they end
up being a client gettingtattooed all the time.
So, uh, yeah, there.
It attracts different types ofpeople and I think that's

(59:24):
because we're doing real tattoosfor real prices on these friday
thirties.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
We're not doing $20 tattoos.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
We're doing a decent amount 100 to 300 tattoos that
there's a little bit of skin inthe game for the client and
they're getting some from us aswell, you know.
So I think it's a better way tobuild possible clientele.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Like you said, most people just don't even know.
They don't know, they thinkyou're going to be 400 an hour.
Last Friday.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
And stop coming in at 7 o'clock when we close at 8.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Come in earlier than that man For large.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
You're getting tattooers in a bad state If you
come to the shop and the shopcloses at 9, 10 or whatever, and
you come 15 minutes beforetalking about you want this.
They're checked out mentally.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
They're checked out mentally, they're thinking about
getting the kids to bed.
They're thinking about dinnerfor the fam.
Maybe they're thinking allthese other things it's like job
number two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Like tapped into the other aspects because we try and
shut this stuff off.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Yeah, we try and shut it off because it is very well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
That's honestly when you brought up the whole doing
the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I'm kind of like I don't know, I didn't say
anything.
I I'm surprised that we got youon a sunday.
Thank you yeah uh, because yeah, I was I don't think I checked
out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
When I'm outside of tattooing, I'm trying to be with
the fam.
I'm trying to you know I'm I'mjust trying to be a good dad and
be a good dude and be a goodhusband and a good friend yeah,
all these things and be in thebe in the moment, because I've
even told him to before.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
I think I've said, hey, man, let's go, because you
know, we know some similarpeople in the industry and then
some we don't, and I've checkedthem out, like, oh, I guess,
fuck cool, we go challenge rightaround the corner, go check
them out.
I tell them let's go.
There's a oh fuck, go over.
Like I'm done.
I clocked off.
I'm going home, I'm going tosing with my family Like fuck,
you're right, okay, well, allright, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
But then you're the same way in a lot of elements as
well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Even the contrast between all the individuals in
the shop, we all have the samecommonality of treating people
good, 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I will say that's a big part being good fathers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I think our shop yeah , I think I will say I've worked
in a few places and that shop.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
We're always a delinquent.
Every shop except for ours.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Yeah, we don't have one.
We don't have one, not one,that's creeping on girls.
No, we all mesh extremely well,not one that's got a drug issue
.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, not one that yeah fathers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
That's where I feel like we're like the time, we're
like this kind of but evensteven ernie are, and with them
I just think.
I just think we all are very,but they're down to earth, bro,
you don't need yeah, because I'msitting down there, because
I've worked in shops with guys Iworked in shops with guys.
They're like we're, they'retattooed.
It's over eccentric, yeah likewe get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Homie, we get it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
You're a fucking tattooer, I get it like these
guys are just down to earth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I have a painting in my house I see every day this
dude did years ago and it's sucha good concert reminder and
it's just a little flashpainting.
It's literally just banners andI think there's a tattoo
machine on it and it just saysget off your high horse, You're
just a tattooer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
I see, consciously, it's just like I'm nobody
special.
As long as I'm special to mywife and my kids, I hit the
lottery.
As long as my friends, like,respect what I, you know, think
and say and you know, that'swhat matters.
The rest of it it's for thebirds and that's why, back to
what I was saying, I was kind ofiffy about doing because I love
tattooing.
There's shitty parts of it,there's good parts of it, but
like it deserves a certain levelof respect that most of these
tattoos podcasts are not fuckinggiving 100 they're trying to be
.
Oh, I'm a artsy, fartsy savant.
It's like dude, we're justtattooers, yeah yeah you provide

(01:02:49):
a service, you tattoo.
It's a trade I could teachanyone who doesn't know how to
draw to do a clean, well-appliedtattoo yeah, are you going?
To be better if you're artisticand you have a little bit of
design, uh, ideas and things ofcourse but I've seen a million
and one tattooers you can't drawstarting out by the end of
their career.
They're drawing shit on theskin, fucking blowing your
fucking mind, yeah, yeah becauseof repetition.

(01:03:11):
It's a trade you can teachsomebody well, you can teach
somebody how to tattoo, so whenthey're like, I don't even know
if this is the same, but I'veeven.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
I was gonna say that I don't even know if it applies.
But yeah, people ask me like,what do you do?
I never am I, I'm a tattooer.
I'm always like I'm a tattooer,me too.
Yeah, I don't think I've everonce said I'm a tattoo artist,
I'm a tattoo you're trying tochurch up something that doesn't
need churching up, it's I meanlook at me, dude, I'm not trying
to church shit up, rightexactly, I'm a tattooer, bro.
Half the people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It all depends on how you approach.
Sick tats, bro.
I don't tattoo, I just get tats.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Right, yeah, that's not the client.
Yeah, yeah, but if you're like,oh, bro, you got a really nice
tattoo.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Oh, yeah, I tattoo.
Here's a card man Cause I knowthat you're going to come with
it A certain level of respectthat you're you're kind of
serious, yeah, but only 35 ideasyou have that you're never
going to get and they're not inmy style, I promise you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
I just you know.
Thank you for taking the timeout.
Yeah, of course, guys.
I know you guys are very busyto do this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
No man, thank you, I'm kind of stuck I never
noticed before.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
They're fun.
No, it's cool, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
I'm almost like dude.
Let's crack another one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Let's keep just bullshitting.
Yeah, well, that's what I wassaying.
Uh, you know, when you, youwere possibly asking, you know,
oh, subjects or this or that,what's, what's this, what's that
?
I'm like, honestly, I don'twant any of it, I just whatever
comes out, comes out, like youknow, this podcast could be
about this and then next timeyou do it it could be that's
podcast.
I mean, I'm an avid actualpodcast listener, a handful that
I regularly listen to.
Those are the best ones, theones that are natural, they're

(01:04:48):
not forced, they don't have afucking script.
Hey, what about this?
What about that?
Like things that just seem tocome naturally are the best
podcasts.
Like they hold the most weight.
Way you get the best stories.
You get the realness like youwere talking about.
You know, people have come totears with certain things.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
That only happens through, through natural, uh,
conversations with with men, youknow well, you got to say yes
too, and I appreciate you guys,of course, saying yes and
opening your home 100.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Yeah, thank you, of course, of course the missus,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Uh, with all the yeah , she hooked it up she hooked it
up.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
She's a good woman, dude she hooked it up she's a
good woman, man.
She was all pumped when sheheard you guys had come over.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
She was like I gotta feed them yeah, I wanna wish you
guys much prosperity within thehistory of tattooing and in
your futures and endeavors.
I wanna wish you guys happy,health and wealth to your
families.
I know you guys are fuckingvery active fathers and it's a
joy to watch.
I appreciate working with youguys.
I'll see you guys.

(01:05:48):
Fucking what Tuesday you won'tsee me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I'll be editing this bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I'll be playing surgeries on Tuesday when you
back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I'll be there Wednesday.
Basically, tuesday is surgeryday, a whole day at the hospital
with the baby.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Wednesday I have appointments the rest of the
week.
Go ahead, bring him in.
What's he getting real?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
quick.
He has a condition.
He has what's calledcraniosynosis.
Basically, skulls have softspots, yep, the rear one fused
together.
I mean I think it was fusedtogether when it was born, you
know.
So it doesn't have the back ofits head, doesn't have the
ability to continue to expand,to let the brain grow.
It's perfectly no eyeobstruction.

(01:06:28):
Nothing bad is happening yet,nor would they.
They don't know necessarilythat anything bad would happen,
but if you don't do something,and then it does, you're harming
your baby.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
You don't really have a choice you're harming your
baby.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
You don't really have a choice.
It's not, not ideal.
They basically have to cut himopen from ear to ear, cross his
head and and basically add asoft spot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Essentially a big old handsome guy you showed me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah so he's going to have a big scar on his head.
It's been like I said somethingwe've known about for a long
time, but it's here.
I took him on Wednesday of lastweek, had to do the pre-op get
his blood work done.
That's the worst man having tohold your baby down so they can
stick a needle in him and himscream.
It's like dude.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
I wish he could just cut my head open, right, we all
do, yeah, we all feel that sameway 100%.
I think you and I talked aboutit too I would do, leave my boy
alone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
We don't have that option, for whatever reason.
It's fairly common with boys.
Loma Linda is supposed to bethe best hospital in the country
for that type of stuff.
He's in good hands, beenpraying about it nonstop, but
it's definitely going to beheavy.
And as a father it's evenheavier Because I have a
mother-in-law, a father-in-law,a wife, two girls looking at me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Oh yeah, and I can looking at me, oh yeah, and I
can't fucking cry.
Right, I may be able to shed atear, but I gotta be strong.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
You got a whole strong, all of them, yeah, you
know, so that they're able to dowhatever they need to do.
But they need to be able to seeme being strong for the family
and handling business and doingwhat's necessary.
So for me that's an addedchallenge because in my hearts
of hearts, I want to fuckingbreak down and cry for this dude
because, like, yeah, I don'twant him anywhere near, I don't
want him to get a shot everagain in his fucking life, right
, but now I'm having to give himto this doctor to cut his head.

(01:08:06):
It's fucking gnarly, right, butyeah.
So tuesday he's got to havethis surgery.
Uh, he'll be in the hospitalthree or four days.
Luckily, my wife's able to uh,you know, be with him full time.
She's getting paid time off.
She saved it for this, uh shoutout to the moms out there
holding it down wifey's the bestyou know thing that's ever
happened to me, for sure, andfor I tell the kids all the time

(01:08:27):
I said you guys hit the lottowith the mom and the grandma,
because my mother-in-law is afreaking angel too.
She stepped up when my mom died.
She's she's basically my mom,you know.
So, uh, yeah, they're holdingit down, so she's going to be
there as appointments I I have.
I'm going to go handle business, cause I we got to make money,
that's right, doing the tattoos,and then I'll go, you know, up
to the hospital, chill with thebaby, with the wifey, bring food

(01:08:47):
, whatever, just spend time.
And then they only allow oneparent to stay.
So either me or her we'll staythe night with the baby and
We'll be good.
Honestly, I'm ready to get itdone, because it's been a cloud
kind of hanging over you knowyou're going to have to do it.
I'm very much like fuckinghandle it.
Let's get it done.
Let's knock this shit out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Oh yeah, it's just how I handle life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Give me the bad news first.
You know, yep, so I'm ready toget that past us.
He'll be doing better in notime.
We in Halloween and he'll havea scar on his head and he'll
probably have to throw somefists as a kid, as a chip on his
shoulder, because they'll fuckwith him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
That's right, that's fine.
No, no, no, kids, bounce backso quick, though he's gonna
bounce back so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
You know how it is kids are gonna make funny for
anything and everything possible, so he'll have to scrap as a
dad.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
You look at all we try to leave no stone unturned.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah, so we're going to handle that and he'll be a
good dude and everything'snormal.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, everything's fine,
it's more or less cosmetic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
It is preventative for possible issues with the
brain growth, so there's nodebate about hey we got to
fucking do it.
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Well, we're going to wish you the best and definitely
pray for you on that one.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Yeah, thank you guys.
You know the shot feels it andyou know we're all watching If
there's anything you need man,you already know yeah, 100%, and
that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
He knows that I'm not the most talkative always, but
that's reciprocated across theboard.
Yeah, I got everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
You want to?
Yeah, I appreciate it.
Thank you for sharing that.
Yeah, just you know once again,guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Thank you from B to Z .
This is Brandon, and I want tothank Kevin Childs and Derek
Billingsley for coming in Tomas.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
thank you again.
Thank you, dude.
I appreciate it guys.
Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
I love this stuff, guys.
I'm always inspired by what itis that I hear through these
things.
It stimulates my brain in adifferent way.
I think about these things alot, so hopefully you guys are
enjoying listening and thank youfor tuning in to B2Z Podcast.
Thank you.

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