The Skateboarder's Odyssey with Zach Peacock: Part 1

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Zach Batista (00:06):
Hello, hello, hello.
This is Zach Batista with B2ZPodcast.
I'm here with my co-host,Brandon May.
Good morning.
Good morning everybody, and avery special guest, Zach Peacock
.

Brandon May (00:20):
Yeah, I'm excited about this one.
I told you guys I would bringsome cool people on.
This is definitely one of thoseones that you guys should tap
into and watch over and over andover again.
This is my buddy.
I don't know what to call him,but first we're going to call
him a living legend.

(00:41):
A living legend.
A living legend.
This is one of those guys thatin the streets you can't really
get many trophies, but thisguy's got a lot of acclaim out
there.
Everybody knows him around thiscity Zach Peacock man,
professional skateboarder,tattoo artist, cinematographer
and just a good dude man.

(01:02):
I've tattooed with Zach forseveral years at Elizabeth
Street and we've had many, manygood experiences, and sometimes
bad too, so I'm excited to bringhim here for you guys today.
I didn't even think he wasgoing to say yes to the
interview, so that's excitingfor me.

You were a question mark on our list for a
minute.
I'm glad you said yes too.

Well, I had to yeah .
So yeah, let's dive straightinto it, man, yeah, baby.

Zach Peacock (01:33):
Professional.
There's a big question marknext to professional
skateboarder because it's maybeat some point, but now it's just
a labor of love, We'll say that.

You know, I consider a professional
skateboarder is somebody whocould do the trick when they
need to do it yeah you know it'swithout the claim.
You know what I mean.
If you, if I was like all rightman do uh kickflip yeah do a
kickflipreal quick yeah like you could
do that yeah, but that's moreconsistency than anything else.

(02:03):
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, but on my scalethat's professional, because in
our job, you know what I meanConsistency and being able to
pull that trick out when youneed it.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's like all right, I got tohave a big bag of tricks.
Yeah, if I'm not, then I'm nota professional.

You're a professional I agree with.
Don't, don't fucking deny that.
Well, you've been sponsoredbefore.
Yeah, I got paid to skate,sponsored of all of it.
Right, that's perfect.
I think I qualify as aprofessional in the skate
community.
Being professional is your nameon a board and a shoe, that's
professional gotcha and I didn'tever have that.
So I'm just and like there wasnever.
Like I'm not saying you needthe party, but you'll get like a
pro party and there's like awhole like hey, you're pro now
and like you had to be amateur,amateur skateboarder for x
amount of years.
That's a whole, nother part ofit, and that there was just

(02:52):
skating, getting free product,getting paid from a couple of
the companies and there wasthose pieces to it.
But it's, there's definitelylike a.
It's like in tattooing.
You go through theapprenticeship and and then when
you get there, then when theperson in person, you feel like
you're at that level, then youcan go to the next step.
And I was in the first.
I was, I wasn't an apprentice,but I wasn't a pro.

We'll just say that one of the reasons I wanted to
bring you on is because of yourlifestyle.
This is a lifestyle episode forme and I believe you live life
to its fullest.
You know you've dealt with alot of adversity, sickness,
traumatic events within yourlife and I just wanted to kind

(03:38):
of touch on those things.
You know, I know a few yearsback you caught an illness.
Can you go ahead and bring usin on that real quick?

Yeah.
So I mean, it all kind ofdepends on how far back you want
to go, because and my like Iwas born with underdeveloped
lungs.
And then, past that, it's likein my late no, like early teen
years I might have been likeanywhere from 11 to 14 I had
orchio pexy, and orchio pexy isa vein that doesn't.
It's kind of tied in a knot inone of your testicles, and so I

(04:06):
would get these crazy stomachpains and I didn't know what it
was from.
And then finally, we go to thedoctor and they're just like oh,
you have this issue.
They did an ultrasound on themand then almost lost one of them
and then they were able to cutit open, straighten the vein out
.
However that I don't know whatthe surgery, but whatever they
did, they did.
I was young, sorted that out,and then from there it was uh, I

(04:27):
had scoliosis most of my life.
I still do.
I sit like an idiot.
And then on top of that, it wasthe um.
I was born with cirrhosis andnever drank alcohol, never done
anything, smoked weed in juniorhigh, but that was pretty much
it.
And then so my whole life Ifelt like I had like somewhere,
anywhere from like two to fourhours of sleep, like that's the
best way I could describe it,because people are like what
does it feel?
Like being bored, like havingcirrhosis, and so how I would

(04:47):
describe it would be just, youalways feel tired and like it
didn't matter how good the foodI ate or how much slept.
How much I slept it didn'tmatter at all, it was.
I always felt burnt out andBrandon, we worked together
during all of that.
Yeah.
And we didn't?
I, during all of that, yeah,and we didn't, I didn't know.
And so I brandon can contest tothis.
I was on edge all the time.
Oh yeah, he was he would.

He would come in and you know, we would kind of
arrive at the same time.
He's very routine heavy, yeah,and I'm routine heavy as well,
so we would kind of arrive atmaybe eight, nine o'clock yeah,
I usually get around eight.
You know he'd be cooking afucking bagel and shit like that
.
I'd be over over here you know,cleaning up or doing what I do,
and I would kind of look overin his booth and be like hey

(05:30):
what's up, and sometimes Iwouldn't get a response.
He'd just be like all right,this motherfucker, I ain't
fucking with cats today.

It was funny because Brandon would be like
how the fuck you think I'm doingLike I'm fucking dying?
But at the time I didn't knowwhat was wrong.
Yeah.
And I'm just like stone face,just ignorant, super, super
shitty.

Yeah, and I'm a positive person.
So you know, I'm like, allright, let me pick spirits up
and it just.
I guess that helped out as welltoo, because that's one of the
things that I think I'm tryingto implant and implement for

(06:12):
today's episode is, this guy isso routine, heavy that it uh, it
establishes a good future forhis later, later life, and I
think that's a testament to howhe's living life.
You know what I mean, becausehe's a regimented individual.
He um, that's what keeps goingthe moment.

(06:33):
Yeah, he doesn't waste fuckingtime.
Like he's always fucking doingsomething, even with going
through.
Like he got hit by a fuckingsemi on a harley and that was
that predated the livertransplant.

The liver transplant was in 2020, and then
I was diagnosed with cirrhosis.
Like late, like I don't know.
It was like 2016, 2017, 2018.
Somewhere around there I gotdiagnosed with the cirrhosis.
And then I got on thetransplant list and then I got
the transplant.
I got the call in 2020 for thetransplant and so that was that
whole thing.

But in December 20th and I got, the call in 2020
for the transplant, and so thatwas that whole thing.
But in 20, december 20th, andyou went through the transplant.

Yeah, I went through that and everything but
December 28th, uh 2013,.
That's when I got hit by thesemi truck.
And that's that's what like.
Yeah, On my motorcycle yeah.

And I didn't know him at that time, but I had
heard about it through anothershot and that's how I knew it
was bad.
You know, when you hear aboutit from another shot, you're
like oh yeah, like yeah healmost yeah, he's, he's probably
gonna die or some shit, likeyou know, yeah and but the the
crazy it, you know, it's not thefact that, oh, he made it

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through all this shit.
The dope part about it is hewas like back to what he was
doing immediately.
Yeah.

You know, months later.

Yeah, as soon as he was capable, he was back
skateboarding.

After the motorcycle accident I had,
because of all the surgeries andeverything, I had no feeling in
my hand at all, and I'mleft-handed Shit.
So I was like every day I waslike I got like a two pound,
like weighted, like sand ball,and I would squeeze it every day
and I still had no feeling inmy hand.
And so for six months I likecouldn't feel anything, I could

(08:11):
touch nothing, didn't have anysensation at all.
And so once I had the strengthto come back to tattooing, like
I was in a wheelchair for like amonth, a month and a half, and
then I went to a walker and thenafter the walker, I was on a
cane.
And when I was on the cane,then I finally came back to the
tattoo shop and tried to tattoo.
And so at that point I was like, but I was still trying to draw
, but I couldn't feel the paperthat my hand was resting on.
I couldn't feel anything.
And so once I got back totattooing, then it was a matter

(08:44):
of and there would be nothingthere and I was like, oh cool, I
gotta go deeper, yeah yeahbecause the sensation like
tattooing is such a touch feelthing and when that's not there
it's like but.
But I was able to come back totattooing and tattoo even though
I couldn't feel what I wasdoing yeah and then eventually,
thank god, the nerves somehowcame back.
Maybe because I was using itall the time, but because it

(09:06):
came back, I was like now Idon't, there's no numbness or
anything in my hand.

You know there's that meme where it's like stop
being a bitch.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He makes me feel like that,like as far as what the body is
capable of enduring, and youknow, rebuilding it, go ahead of
enduring and, you know,rebuilding it Go ahead.

But I got to ask why tattoo?
Why that push to get back intotattooing?

Everything comes from skateboarding.
For me, how Brandon wastouching on like the drive and
like not giving up and all likethat, it's skateboarding.

Okay.

From an early, early age my dad skated.
I got baby pictures on askateboard.
There's all these like it'sfrom the.
From birth it was ingrained inme the skating.
And when you and I was born in85.
So skating in the late eightiesthrough the early nineties and
all like that you don't therewas no money in it for somebody
like myself like that's gettinginto skating around that time.

(09:58):
The only reason why I say thatis because you could be a
teenager right now, in 2024, andyou could be your.
Your immediate could be like Iwant to be a pro skateboarder
and that's a realistic goal.
As to when in the early 90syou'd be like you tell your
parents I want to be a proskateboarder, they'd be like get
a fucking job absolutely sothat's what I'm trying to like
get at.
it's like in the 90s.
It wasn't a career path at all,so I was just skating because I

(10:21):
truly love this shit, andthere's nobody who fails more in
life than somebody who'sparticipating in some kind of
like extreme activity likeskateboarding, bmx, motocross,
inline skates, like what.
From my time, like the early90s, late 80s, and all that
stuff, it was, that's just whatwe did.
We were outside, kid turnkeykids, you know, we just we

(10:42):
played outside, we dideverything outside.
There's no cell phones justbefore the birth of the internet
and with all that, you learnthe failure, you're learning
failure and nobody learnsskateboarding right away.
Everything takes 50 fuckingtries if you're lucky.
Usually it takes hours and thenwhen you get it, you get that

(11:03):
mild sense of gratitudeliterally like for a second.

Yeah, and you're like, let's do it again.

Yeah I'm getting like three seconds of gratitude
and then I'm like, okay, cool,let's try.
And do it again, and then youthen another four hours and then
you're not getting it again.
Yeah, so it's that it'singrained in you from a young
age as a skateboarder that, like, failure is a part of life and
it's you're're not changing that.
And so I took that bit of theskateboarder mentality and I
applied it to everything in mylife.

(11:28):
So I learned this later on inlife that I was applying it to
everything and it was because ofskateboarding.
But subconsciously, that's justin my psyche how it happened.
I didn't know until years laterthat I was like, oh, it's
because of skateboarding thatI'm willing to fail.
If I did like when my firstcouple years of tattooing I do a
bad tattoo and I'm like, wellsick, let's try and get, let's
do it better.
And then, like, when you do itbetter, you're still like I just

(11:49):
never satisfied isskateboarding your mental
release yeah, skateboarding iseverything.
That's that.
Like I didn't knowing brianfoster and like him owning
elizabeth street and me he'sbeen really big on like the
Buddha and all that, like thatmentality.
I don't know if he's an activepracticing type, but I know he

(12:10):
that if he was going to pick aspirituality it would go towards
that and hearing him talk aboutthose kinds of like those
practices and everything.
And then Dave Keneally, a closefriend of him, was an actual
Buddhist monk and he startedstudying under like some super
famous monk guy and uh, justthem explaining the philosophies
of like buddhism and everythingit explained.
Like I started to understandbecause, like, I think, like

(12:31):
when everybody's like, oh, Ineed to meditate, I'm like what
kind of kook yoga shit are youon, dude?
yeah yeah, like I like I don'twant nothing to do with that
fucking hokey bullshit.
I don't want not, dude.
Like I was just super punk rock, super hateful, like against
all of that shit.
I was like take your bullshitand take it somewhere else.
So that was uh.
So then, getting older andbeing a little bit more open to

(12:53):
like hearing other people's likepoints of views and everything,
then hearing these people thatI care about talk about buddhism
and everything, and then theyexplain meditation and all like
that, I'm like, oh shit, that'sskateboarding.
Like, if you go to the skatepark and you have some bullshit
on your brain or you're thinkingabout something like that, or
you're thinking about yourgirlfriend, you're thinking
about some fight, you have oneof your friends or whatever,

(13:13):
you're going to have the worstsession of your life at the
skate park.
So you have to go to the skatepark and you have to fucking
turn off.
And what off?
And what is that?
Turning everything off?

that's meditation, absolutely and it's simple as
form, so I don't want to chalkit up to some kook shit.
He said he don't want to giveit his his credit.

But I see you.
But if it wasn't forskateboarding, I wouldn't
there's something there, it'sthere that's it.
Just leave it at that.

Yeah, there's something there yeah, nah, I
mean, I've never thought aboutthat until we've had these
conversations.
A lot of these conversationsare new to me as well, even
though I've worked with him foryears.
He's not somebody who's justaccessible like that.
He has to decide to do one ofthese things and obviously he's
changed over the years to evenfucking be talking about this

(13:57):
type of shit.
So that's dope and kudos to you.
Where was I at Skateboarding?
To you, um, where was I at, uh,skateboarding?
Yeah, I was kind of wonderingyour outlook on life.
Yeah, you're motivated andstuff like that.
But why?
Why haven't you just been likefuck it?

(14:19):
And been like fuck it guys?
You know what I?
Because you've been dealingwith a whole bunch of fucked up
shit since I've known you.
Yeah.
And what keeps you from justsaying fuck it?
Yes, you have a skatermentality, yeah, but what in
your head, I guess, I'mwondering?
Are you telling yourself, whenyou're going through these
situations, to get back?

Again.
I was raised in my mom went toBYU.
She was super religious and shenever forced religion on us.
She's not Mormon, I'd say she'smore Christian than anything.
But when she was younger shewent to BYU because of a close
friend of hers and so justreligion was always present in
the household.
My dad wasn't around at allever, not even a little bit.
So everything that I say fromhere on out is because of my mom

(15:06):
.
That's just what it is.
So when I talk about parents orfamily or any of that stuff,
it's just I'm talking about mymom.
I'm not talking about my dad atall, about any of this.
He is that my mom posted him aslike a uh, like this, cause she
knows that every male needsthat like male figure in their
life, and so when I was real,real, real young, she'd always

(15:29):
be like, oh, your dad, like sheportrayed him as like this great
person.
And I got into skateboarding andI got into motorcycles because
of this image that my mompainted of my dad and so like,
kind of like being hyped on thisfalse image of my dad.
And then I got older and Irealized how my dad really was
and it was just like okay, cool,and it kind of it fucked me up
for a long time because I uh, Ididn't, I don't want to be

(15:54):
anything like my dad at allbecause of the choices he's made
in life, but I, I love my mom,had to be both parents and so
the fake part of my dad that shemade up that was still coming
from my mom.
So it's like I got theparenting both the mother and
the father from that and I wasraised partially by my mom's dad
, my grandpa, so I got that inme too and that was like World
War II Navy.
There was no bullshit in thatguy and so any bit of structure

(16:17):
that I did have was because ofhim and I got to see what a real
man was like in that sense.
But a little sidetrack.
But suicide and all that kindof none of that stuff is an
option.
Because I was raised religious.
I wasn't a practicing religion,but my mom she never pushed it
but she'd always be like hey, ifyou go to church, if you see

(16:38):
these things, it helps you inthe long run.
Like just to understand thatthere is a moral compass that
just don't be a piece of shitUltimate, like to sum it up,
that's what it is.
And because I think like someunderlining thing, like because
I went to church and I realizedthat there's, like because at
any point you can just killyourself, you're like I don't
have to deal with the struggleanymore, like that's the easiest
.
I see it.
I know a lot of people don'tsee like that, but I think

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suicide is the easy way out.
I have close, close childhoodfriends that have killed
themselves and I'm a littlespiteful.
I'm like that was, you took thebitch.
Like there's no other way forme to say it, and I know not
everybody feels that way aboutit, but that's how I feel about
it.
I'm like you fucked up, youdidn't want to keep fighting,
you didn't want to fucking fightfor what you believed in.
Like that's a bitch move, it'sthe easy way out.
I'm sure it's not easy tofucking hang yourself from the

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rafters or put a fucking doublebarrel shotgun in your mouth and
actually pull the trigger, butI think religion is the base of
why all that shit.
And then as I, got older it waslike, why not?
And I think having that base ofreligion is it's like me
believing that everything kindof happens for a reason and just
wanting to see what the nextstep is.

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And it's interesting, andskateboarding has given me all.
It's been fun, like I've got totravel, I've got to do this
because of skateboarding.
So I'm like and then when I gotinto motorcycles I got a whole
different group of friends andthen now we can travel farther
because we have these machinesto take us there and all these
different things.
And then I get into photographyand videography and all that.
And now I'm meeting a differentgroup of people and so all this

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shit is just like one next stepover to the next thing.
And it's like every piece ofeverything that I've been a part
of in my life has showed me thenext step.
So for me there's, there's.
It's just like why not?
Like there's, I don't have a,there's no real reason, but I
think it's.
I think religion is the base,but then on top of that it's
just like fuck man, just keepgoing like I'm just curious.

(18:30):
Like my grandma always, alwayssaid she goes, you can kill
yourself and then the next daywin the lottery, so that that
that's something to live for.
Yeah, that's.
And anytime I think aboutsuicide, I think about that I'm
just like and I've never, neverbeen one to be I'm going to kill
myself.
Never thought thoughts, nevereven gone through my mind.
But it's just that thought ofmy grandma saying that I'm just

(18:51):
like, I don't even play thelottery, so there's no way I'm
going to win the fucking lottery.
But it's that thing Like youcould kill yourself and then the
next day you win the lottery.
So it's just that the unknowingis what's interesting.
My life has been so fuckingcolorful in 38 years.

Right, it's been good Like, and do you think
going through the things thatyou've gone through makes you go
harder at life?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You push because you, like Iwrite.
Motorcycles are dangerous,skateboarding is dangerous.
I hear about people all thetime like stepping on a
skateboard for the first timeand they roll into a bowl and
they hit their head.
Then they're in a coma in thehospital for a couple of months
and then they, then they, theypull the plug and they're dead.
Right.
To me.
I'm like, that doesn't evenlike.

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I can't even fucking fathomthat.

Cause it's like I've been skateboarding for so
long that it's just I'm like Iride, I have a one wheel.

Last time you smacked your shit, like a month
ago, yeah, like hard too.
Like I'm just like I wake upand I'm just I don't even
remember you got rocked.
Yeah, I don't remember tryingthe trick.
I was just like, oh fuck, likeI'm waking up on the ground, I'm
holding my head.
I'm like, oh shit, this isterrible.
Yeah, but it doesn't, I don'tthink.
Then I got back on the boardand I tried it again.
Like my brain, I don't know,maybe I'm a little slow like my
brain's broken dude, I'm willingto keep going that perseverance

(20:16):
, man, to want something.

You know, yeah, that perseverance to want
something is huge.
You've always been that way.
You go back to motorcycles.
This dude has had what sinceI've known him maybe it's in the
40s yeah, 40 differentmotorcycles and rebuilt them,
customize them to his own, youknow.

So he's raffled off some yeah, I always saw a
new one outside the show.
Every time I came here for acorner with brandon I was like
who's motorcycles?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
they were probably mine.
Yeah, that's a passion we bothshare.

He knows I love motorcycles.
That's like one of my firstloves out there.
You know, I guess any kid bornin the 80s, you know, growing up
in the 90s, had a love for bmxand yeah and motocross and stuff
like that.

Well, southern california where we live.
Yeah, and like the ghetto orparts of southern california,
like riverside county andeverything it's.
It's fucking dirt right.
So it's like the ghetto orparts of Southern California,
like Riverside County andeverything it's fucking dirt
Right.
So it's like the street that Igrew up on was a shitty paved
asphalt street that I couldn'troll on a skateboard on.
So then I go grab the bike.
I can make dirt jumps in frontof my house, but I can't ride

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the thing that I love to do infront of my house.
Right, I had to have a homeboypick me up or skate long
distances, hop on the bus andtake that to get somewhere to go
skate and do the thing that Iwant to do.
So it's like shit.
Yeah, like we all jump on bikesand then, like the natural
progression of riding, bmx ismotocross or motorcycles.

You think growing up as a skateboarder has made
you tougher?

Yeah, Like I'm more whenever I see somebody
fall, like the thing that blowsmy mind when somebody doesn't
know how to fall, Like I watchthese memes on YouTube and
Instagram and shit like that andsomebody's stumbling like
somebody barely pushed them,they stumble and fall.
I'm like how the fuck do youfall?
Like?

that.

Yeah, that's crazy to me.

Yeah, they snap their knee.
By taking a step, you step offthe curb and you break your
fucking ankle.

I'm like that's mental dude.
That doesn't even compute.

Yeah, what was that Kid Cudi jumped off the stage
at Coachella.
Yeah, yeah, real lightly Damnnear, broke all his shit.

Yeah, good, fuck him.
He should learn how to likefall the right way.

Right, right Don't be jumping off shit.

dude, I don't care how psyched you were and how
much adrenaline you had.

You weren't built for that right.
No, that's right.
Put that shit down.
I want to talk about some ofyour, your side projects.
We've always had this bigdebate about how oh you know,
hey, zach you're.
I used to tell him oh, you're afucking artist, yeah you're
exactly.

You're a fucking artist I fucking hate that word.
You don't like that I hate, theword.

I saw your face immediately it was he he shoots
everything you know he shootswell.

No, he not.
He doesn't shoot everything,but he shoots very well, um, at
what he's shooting at.
You know, he's he's veryparticular.
So he doesn't shoot everythingand he's got a very specific
style to his.
His, uh, it's almost like coldworld, urban, with a little bit
of modern to it.
It's fucking, it's cool he youguys got to check out his

(23:13):
photography, his film work, umwell, the thing with that is I
love fashion yeah even though Idon't look like it.

I love fashion and I love architecture.
Yeah, so those two, that's kindof what got me into the style
of tattooing that I like to do,all the geometric shit.
Yeah, because I like symmetry,I like everything that like turn
of the century, like that 70sarchitecture.
I mean, if you don't like that,your brain's broke.
There's something about thatshit, like when you're driving

(23:42):
through Palm Springs and everyfucking house is so different,
so character.
There's so much shit going onin there.
There's so much shit going onin there and all like like I
wish palm springs wasn't so hot,because I'd live there.

I don't fuck with the heat at all.
What's one thing that you'realways going to stop and shoot
as a photographer?

for me over the years it's been the the weird
shit.
Like I like textures, I likeweird abstract, like I've gotten
way more into like macro orit's funny because these two
things don't kind of go togetherbut it's's like the the weird,
like landscapes of the worldfrom a drone's perspective, like
I love like the dronephotography, because the world
looks like something weird andabstract, like city lines and

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streets and everything like eventhough it's this big, you're
seeing all this shit.
It still looks weird andabstract.
But then, like I'll get mycamera and get a macro lens out
and then I'll shoot like thepores in my hand and it's like
super crazy close and detail andit just looks weird, like if
you can't tell when you look atthe picture and you can't tell
what it is, I'm like I succeededthat's like for me.

Do you look at those projects like building a
bike or you know?

it's, it's hunting I think, of it as like hunting,
like I'm like and I don't ever.
I try everything in life.
If you go looking for it,you're gonna find it, and that's
can be a good and a bad thing.
For me it's usually been bad.
I try not to ever go out withan agenda.
I just go out and try to getwhat I can get.
It's like even relationships.
Anytime I've like pursued awoman, it's bit me in the ass.
It's like don't go, fuckingdon't pursue.

(25:06):
Like for me I'm like don't golooking for anything because you
usually find it there could besome solid advice right there.

Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Yeah, that's, I'll flag thatone.

Yeah, dude that's just how I've always felt, is
like I want it when I go out andshoot and stuff like like it's
not like, but that'sskateboarding is like we're
pacing this landscape, whetherit's a city or a skate park or
whatever.
Like you're just cruisingaround, you're evaluating and
you're like, oh sick, that'd besick to shoot.
Like the other day I went downto downtown LA.
I wanted to shoot through thosetowers that are all graphed up
right now.

But I saw that.
Hold on a little bit.

Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I saw that you got that drone up with all the
helicopters and all that goingaround, so I had up to 400 feet.
Yeah.

And if I'm flying over 400 feet, which I'm always
flying over 400- feet on askateboard.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Fuck you, I'm going to do it my way.
Lock you down, yeah.

Yeah, they don't fuck around the airspace, but
they had.
It was a Lakers game that nighttoo.
I didn't know that Ah.
So, they were patrolling thelandscape, for that they weren't
pat that building.
There is a cop car on everycorner of that building, so
they're not fucking around likethey're trying to.
Building is dope, building isso dope, dude they need to let

(26:15):
people talking about the thegraffiti.

Yeah, I saw, I saw that.

I saw that guy lost funding for it and it's just
been sitting guys a sketchy.

Like they're the money's, like that's a money
laundering thing so that's whythat's why the building is like
is still open, vacant, like that.
Actually, every time somebodygets caught, they take them to
jail and then they call the guywho owns it or like however that
works, and then that guy islike oh, don't press charges,
because they don't want himlooking into his shit, just
exonerates him yeah yeah, that'swhy there was dudes flying over

(26:47):
here like that.
some of the dudes that arehitting that building are from
europe and from fucking Asia andthat kind of shit.
People are flying in to hitthat building because they know
they can get away with it andit's because the hype on that
building right now is like I hadto go and shoot it.
It's like the Taj Mahal ofgraffiti right now it's fucking
insane and it's like somepost-apocalyptic type shit.

The building's almost done, but it's not quite
there it's not quite there, andthen it has this gorgeous
graffiti all over it.

It's fucking nuts man you were out there.

Is it sketchy like no walkouts?

and stuff like that.
No, it's not bad at all, I mean, but I gotta say that with a
grain of salt for regular people.
Nobody regular is wanting to dothat shit, I'll climb.
I don't have a fear of heightsand like.
That's another thing too islike anything that bothers me.
I push towards it because Idon't like.
If I'm afraid of it, I'm likewhy am I afraid of this shit?

like what's the?

fucking issue.
So then that's the kind of shitwhere I'm like I want to push
past it and like I don't knowthat's, that's my shit anything
to get the shot right with.

That's it yeah yeah , anything to get the shot.
I know I've what.
Hang out of trucks, you know,following choppers or no, you
were no, no, no, no, you werehanging out of the truck, no you
were hanging out of the truckwith my setup to film me on the
Harley for my intro inCalifornia.

Sweethearts, shut the fuck up and downtown
Riverside.
Ian was driving your truck andyou were hanging out of the back
of the truck and then ain'tthis a bitch?
We did it for like, we do this.
No, we have no harnesses.
We didn't pull permits, wedidn't do nothing.
Brandon is hanging over theback of the tailgate of his
truck with my camera on thegimbal and everything.
We get all these amazing shots.
We went all over downtownriverside.
The second we pulled apart tostop this, a cop rolls up and he

(28:20):
goes hey, you guys, you knowyou can't do that.
And we're like oh yeah, we'rejust messing around.

And he's like okay , cool yeah, so got all the
shots you needed we goteverything yeah, yeah, and then
try to get busted down and thenthe cops pull up and they go.
You guys can't do that so youwere dropping some nuggets on me
before the show even startedabout videography yeah where's?
Where does that line up in yourlist of passions?
So you got photography,skateboarding photography
question so this because you I,I was checking out some of your

(28:47):
stuff yeah to the photographyand the and the vide videography
.
Yes, it's good.
If you guys go check it out,yeah.

Like I said, everything comes from
skateboarding.
There isn't a singleskateboarder who's not vain.
We're all conceited so.
Every skateboarder wants to seehow they're doing it, how they
can improve upon it, how theycan like everything about it and
like and now, with the digitalage that we live in, we want to
post it like that's like, and wewant that gratification like oh

(29:13):
fuck, you did, like, damn that,that.
That was so, so much style you.
You pointed your ankle, you didthis, you did that kind of.
So what I'm getting at is uh,so whatever we could do to find
a camera, we would find a cameraand then we would film.
And I talk so much shit all thetime about everything, and
usually for good reason, becauseif I don't think I can't do it
better than I'm not going totell like everybody, everybody.

(29:34):
There's like that famous quoteit's like everybody is afraid of
getting punched in the faceuntil they get punched in the
face.
Yeah.
Like that's the truth, is like,oh yeah, I'm talking shit
because I know I can get awaywith it, yeah, something.
And then I'd look at it and I'dbe like it's fucking terrible,
dude.
Like get lower, point it up, dothis.
Or like, dude, you're, it'sfucking shaky.
And they got tired of hearingme talk shit.

(29:55):
This is like my teenage years.
So they got tired of hearing metalk shit.
So they're like, well, fuck you, you do it.
And then so I got a camera andI and then it was my life's goal
over the next course of themonth or whatever, to be a
better filmer than them, just toprove them that they were doing
a terrible job at it.

So it started as training footage yeah, briefly
yeah, and then went into oneyear but it was.

but I'm saying it's because of skateboarding is
like to perfect it, yeah.
And then every time I gotfucking hurt because you're
gonna get hurt anything you givea shit about you're gonna it's
gonna bite you in the ass.
So every time I got hurt Icouldn't skate I'd pick up the
camera and then I'd shoot thatway and it it.
But it was.
It was more than anything.
It was just cause, like and Iwas I grew up crazy, fucking
poor, and so the issue for mewas, uh, I had to find a way to

(30:36):
make myself valuable.
My friends had cars.
I didn't have a car.
I couldn't afford a car.
I didn't get my license until Iwas 22.
And so I was driving all myfriends' cars and everything
Like.
I've been driving cars since Iwas like 14, 15 years old, but I
didn't have a license oranything, and we'd hang out,
they'd be too drunk or whatever,and I'd get behind the wheel
and I'd drive them back to thehouse, whatever it wasn't a big
deal.
But so, being the poor kid, Iasked my mom.

(31:01):
I was like, don't give meanything for the next two years,
buy me this camera.
And so she got me like a littleshitty, like handy cam type
camera.
Now I have the tools to getthem to pick me up and I've had
an amazing memory.
Most of my life, my grandma.
When I was like a baby she'dput me on her lap.
Like this is before, likeseatbelt laws and everything

(31:21):
like the eighties shit was alittle bit more relaxed now.
So my grandma put me on her lapbehind the wheel and she'd tell
me she'd take me to the park andthen she'd come back.
And then she, the next time shecome pick me up, she'd be like,
tell me where to go.
And my mom told me, and mygrandma told me that I would
point the direction to get backto the park.
So my memory has been amazingmost the majority of my life and

(31:43):
so that.
But I'm not good with streetsigns.
Like I'm, like I'm a landmarkperson, like I'll go to the del
taco a right and they'll be likethat weird fucked up tree, then
make a left there.

Right.

That's how my I have to like I won't remember
anybody's name, but it's likeall associated with something
Like, oh, your name is Zach, sofuck, that's an easy one for me.
I'm like, oh my name is Zach, sothen I can associate or like
remember your name.

(32:13):
So I always like associatedshit with that.
So my memory was great.
I had this camera now that mymom spent every fucking a penny
that she had on for it and Ilike didn't get shit for years
after I got the camera and itwas like things were different
back then.
It was like maybe the camerawas a couple hundred bucks.
We didn't have a couple hundredbucks to throw away on some
fucking camera, you know soanyways.
So now I have a camera and mymemory is great, so they'd come

(32:33):
pick me up.
I'd be like, hey, I'll film youall day long and I'll give you
your tape if you come pick me upand take me to the spot.
So now everybody's picking me upbecause I'll film them yeah so
then I'm finding ways to get outof the house, and so now I'm
going, and now I'm being takento all these amazing skate spots
.
And now, my memory, I canremember how to get back there.
So then, when somebody wouldhit me up and be like, hey, you
guys were skating that spot inSan Diego the other day, how did

(32:55):
you get there?
And I go well, I don't remember, I can't tell you, but if you
pick me up I'll get you backthere.
So there was, I was, I hadvalid.
I found a way to market myselfeven though I couldn't drive.
I didn't have money to givethem for gas.
Even though gas was 98 cents agallon back then.
I still couldn't give them anymoney because I didn't have it.
So I was like, how can I makemyself valuable?
And that was the way that Imade myself valuable is having

(33:18):
the camera.
But then having the camera andfilming my friends and doing all
this shit, then it's like, ifyou are mopping all the time,
this is probably a shittyanalogy, but it's like if you're
mopping all the time, this islike a probably a shitty analogy
, but it's like if you'remopping all the time, if you're
detailing cars all the timebecause, like you just have to
do it eventually, if you careabout it in any way, if you want
to be better at it, you'regoing to find ways to be good at

(33:39):
that, correct.
So that's just that's kind ofwhat happened.
This is it.
All came from skateboarding.
That's just what I'm trying toreiterate is like I got into
cameras because of skateboardingof skateboarding.

Yeah, yeah, you're.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I remember going to a uh film premiering for, uh,
california sweethearts.

That was dope, yeah , yeah, first film I've ever
premier, I've gone to forskateboarding and that was cool.
Um, I know you have anotherproject that you're working on
right now Uh, concrete.

Uh, so the concrete buffet is my buddy,
Eric Razzo.
Okay, and his Instagram is atfilmer dude.
But that guy he's, he's themain like, he films pretty much
everything, and then I'm justlike getting pickup shots a lot
of the time and he's like, he'slike a, he takes great photos
but he likes to film and do thattype of thing and so that's his
YouTube stuff.

(34:32):
So we film, we go out everysingle Sunday.
We've been going out everySunday since like 2014.

He's getting better too on the board.

No, he's, he's.
Eric's always been great.
It's just that like I don'tknow if he didn't want us to
film him or what the deal was,but and like we're being more
mindful too.
It's like when he startsfucking around, I'll just grab
the camera and start filming him.
Right.
So that's why he's getting morefootage now.
Eric has always been a solidskateboarder, but he would the
second somebody would starttrying a trick.
You have to make that consciousdecision.
Am I going to keep skating andthen film them when they ask me

(35:03):
to film?

Or am I going to stop what I'm doing right now
and start filming them?
I used to always think that thefilmer was shit and
skateboarding because that'susually what happens.

It's either the guy who got hurt and then he
picked up a camera and thenended up getting better at the
camera shit.
Then he realized that there waslike a career path because,
like, whether you want to filmhollywood or you want to film
skateboarding or any of thatkind of that, or it's the fat
friend every time, like mostfilmers and skateboarding were
like the chubby dude who likewanted to be a part of the
session but couldn't fuckingkeep up like skate wise here's
your job now yeah, yeah right.

(35:32):
It's like this is your game.
You're doing this shit yeah soit just depends on how, that
kind of that thing.
But there is a lot of legitskateboarders like this guy
bobby bills on instagram like hecould have been pro but it's
like.
But he's a filmmaker and he'sfucking amazing.
And like, ty evans was likepretty solid skateboarder, like
on chump on this, like that oldskate video.

(35:52):
It was just the filmers thatthey put in that video.
Ty Evans is great.
Ty Evans has been like myfavorite filmmaker of all time,
just like the way he'sapproached filming skateboarding
Cause everybody films with afish eye, big fish eye, on the,
the VX 1000 or the 2,000, 2,100or whatever the DVX, there's all

(36:12):
these like skate cameras thatthey've used over the years with
the fisheye.
But, like, ty Evans was one ofthe first people who was like,
got a 4k camera, got a 10 80camera and made it was HD and
then it was widescreen, then hewent to 4k and then now he's
shooting like 12k is like Ithink his job now is, uh, he
does all the aerial video stufffor like all over it doesn't

(36:33):
matter.
Like, if you want like amazingaerial cinematography, they put
this like million dollar cameraon the bottom of a helicopter
and he's the one who controls it, jesus, and he does it for,
like he does it for all themovies in hollywood, I'm sure he
does it for anybody who needs areal like helicopter shot I've
always found it interesting,though, like you pull these
crazy accounts.

Right now You're working with speaking, speaking.
Uh, it's a motorcycle company.

Yeah, it's like they do, they, they.
He makes hard parts.
So he does like bars and risersand pegs and Steve makes all
kinds of stuff.
He's done like, he's like he's.
I mean he's like I don't likethe term artist for myself
because I think it's like somekook shit, but an artist is
somebody who's like put, like,if you want to paint and you can

(37:17):
draw and you do all like,whatever your field takes you
research and you knock out everypiece that has to do with that.
So, steve, he's like he ridesmotorcycles, he's passionate
about motorcycles but he ridesHarleys fast and hard and he's
really good at it.
So that's something thatHarleys are known for.

(37:37):
Usually you ride a sport bike,but Steve likes Harleys.
So if you lean the bike overand your peg starts to scrape,
steve's like how do I fix thisissue?
How can I lean the bike overfarther for a more
performance-type thing and getthe pegs not to scrape?
So then, like, the pegs got alittle bit shorter, maybe they
got a little bit longer, andthen now they have like a slash
cut on the bottom of them so hecan lean the bike over lower and

(38:00):
you're not hitting the peg asmuch, or like the bars, put you
in a certain position on thebike, so it's more performance
driven does b kings have a raceteam, or they did.
Yeah, like he more sponsorspeople, so he's done that where
he just will outfit their bikeswith the proper things to do
that, because there's a bunch ofpeople that are in the Bagger
Racing League, the BRL, and hesponsors a shit ton of people in

(38:23):
that circuit.
He sponsored a bunch of dudeswho were doing stunt riding,
because these stunt riders wouldbe stunning their Harleys and
they're not made for that eitherthese 700 pound motorcycles
that are doing wheelies andshits.
So he was.
They like they'd come down andthen the bracket that holds the
peg would snap off and he'd belike okay, well, he has a cnc
machine and then he'll just likego into the app where you

(38:44):
design the uh the part indigital space before you send it
to the cnc machine, and hewould like make these parts 10
times stronger, 10 times better.
Harley makes stuff for theseoverweight people to ride their
bikes cross country cruising.
They don't give a shit about thepeople that are stunt riding.
They don't give a shit aboutthe people that are riding their
bikes fast and all like that.
Like I'm on the other side ofthe coin now, like I'm, I'm

(39:07):
seeing, I seen behind the veilin the Harley world and it's not
as big as people think it is.
Harley isn't like.
They're not promoting the shitlike you think they are.
It's different and I'm not apart of.
I'm like I'm a part of theworld because I like to film and
do that kind of stuff for thesepeople, because that's what I
do.
I ride motorcycles too, so Iwant to be a part of the
industry, but I don't like Idon't have to fuck with

(39:27):
Harley-Davidson.
I don't ride a Harley-Davidson,I ride Husqvarna motorcycles.

That should be funny too, because he will
switch it up.
Yeah, right now he's got a tourbike.
I was like P, like I called him, I was like what?

the fuck is that?
What are you doing on that?
What are you doing, bro?

Like what's going on you know, and he'll.
He's had a Grom.

He's had like three Groms.
I've never seen the Vespa, I'venever seen the.

Vespa yeah, yeah, I had three Vespas.
I've had four Groms, I've hadall kinds of bikes, but it's I
like motorcycles.
And then I was also on throughthose like 48 bikes or however
many bikes it was that I've had.
I was looking for the perfectbike.
You're just playing with them.
This.
What do I like?
My perfect job would probablybe like working for some
motorcycle dealership so thatthey can just like let me take

(40:12):
these bikes out, make a youtubereview for it.
That would be the shit, becausethen I won't have to spend
fifteen thousand dollars on amotorcycle and then realize how
much I don't like it.
So that's always been an issue.
But but yeah, I was looking forthe perfect motorcycle and
there's two bikes that kind offit the build for what I've
liked over the years.

That's what's next, because I know you got
motorcycle wise, yeah,motorcycle it's, that's.

I'm not like, uh, the bike that I have right now,
the husqvarna norden 901, soit's like 900 cc, like they like
.
Technically it's like anadventure bike yeah but the
thing's fast as shit.
It might as well be a sport bikeand it's got cruise control.
It's got a heated seat, heatedgrips.
It's like the navigation comesup on the screen, my text
messages, my phone calls come upon the screen.
It's wild, like it's this bigtechie.

(40:55):
It's got a windshield.
It's so comfortable on thefreeway so I've like I've
reached what I wanted, butthat's not what oh?

shit no, no, seriously, oh shit.
This is where I hey you saidjump in motherfucker.
Yeah right, yeah, I've reached,but there is no limit.
There is no limit.
You're gonna, as soon as theycome out with something that's a
little different, that's wellas of right.

They don't have anything right now.

Yeah, that you want to try and the things that
I've like, fine-tuned like.

I had the uh husqvarna 701 super moto.
That was probably thedefinition of my favorite bike.
Okay, my favorite soundingmotor is the fz mto7, the husk
of honor super moto, the 701,that sm bike that I had.

Seven, uh, the gray one with the neon.

It was the one that I put new plastics on the
whole bike so it was all blackwith like a little bit of that
high the high vis yellow thatwas, that was that bike was the
shit I like the the metal onethe custom metal one.

Oh, that was the DR650.
It was a Suzuki DR650.
Man, that was dope.

That bike was rad.
That bike started off as a bigold hunk of shit.
Right, it was the process.
After we put all the work intoit, it was gorgeous.

Yeah, that one was dope.

I want to jump on that question.
I saw you post something theother day.
It was like skateboarding until40 or through 40 or something
like that it was probablyanytime I find a meme, I'm like
I'm fucking so is that?
Where is that?

where you see yourself just just keep
skateboarding, and, and becausethat's, that's your passion chet
thomas had the best quote and II say it all the time and it
was like a video that came outlike the late 90s.
But uh, it was a video calledcanvas or not.
Might have been canvas, I don'tremember what video was, but no
, I think it was a differentglobe video.
But Chet Thomas is a proskateboarder from the nineties

(42:34):
and he at the end of his videopart.
It just cuts to a scene of himtalking and he just said I'll
skate till I can't walk.

Nice, that's kind of like where your mentality is
right now.

It's like the one that like how I walk, that's,
that's like it's not even anoption.
I, when I got hit by the thethis kind of harks back to that
when I got hit by the semi truckand I'm like in a wheelchair
and I'm all busted up andeverything, the doctor's like,
okay, cool.
And he's telling me like what's, what is, what is, what are the

(43:05):
next steps of my life?
And then I like, I kind of likein one ear and out the other,
and then finally, when he's donetalking, I go cool, man, so
when can I get back to likerolling around on the skateboard
or whatever?
And the doctor laughed and hegoes you're walking with a cane
for the rest of your life.
And I like, and I know he hascause, there's a lot of fat,
lazy people in this world and ifhe tells everybody the truth,

(43:28):
like, hey, if you're motivatedand you get off your fucking ass
and go do something, then like,yeah, you'll get back to
skating eventually, like if youwork real fucking hard.
I had a broken hip.
My femur was shattered, my kneewas halfway down, my shin, my
radius, my ulna on my left arm,both the bones in your forearm
were broken, destroyed.
My elbow was gone, my wristcompletely shattered, so all

(43:49):
these things.
Everything on the the left handside was completely obliterated
.
So I get where he was comingfrom.
He thought he's like I wasdoing.
He's never gonna fucking skateagain, he's a walker the cane.
Yeah, he's a broken mess.
Yeah, but he didn't understandthat he was talking to a real
skateboarder yeah and I'm notwilling, I'm not gonna lay down
and fucking die.
It doesn't, that doesn't exist.
So whatever I had to do to getback to skateboarding was going
to happen.
So seven months after thatconversation with that guy, I

(44:13):
stepped on a skateboard for thefirst time and got to roll
around the skate park and itfelt fucking terrible.
Oh I bet it was souncomfortable, like it was the
worst shit ever.
But I was like oh bitch, thisis it that made you want more
too, I was like, if I can do,this was.
I was like I know there's, it'sjust fucking.

I was like that guy fucked up, he didn't realize
who he was talking to it wasfunny too, like working in the
shop with him when he would gothrough these things and like
being an artist around him whenyou would get sick and stuff and
not want to come into work andhe'd be in here fucking dying
and shit yeah, he'd be like allright, there's no excuses and
stuff.
So it kind of sucked too, for ustoo, just because it's like he

(44:52):
would always be there Fucking,banging out tattoos, looking
clean on time, clean fuckingbooth.
He never offered any room forfucking excuses and shit.

That's thanks to my grandpa, though that's World
War II military.

Yeah, that's a totally different breed.
Yeah, you've always spokehighly of Zach.

Oh, dude, I've learned so much from this dude.
We used to fucking get into ittoo.
We have the ability to fuckingignite at any point in time, but
there's just this mutualrespect you know what I mean and
his consistency and myconsistency kind of really
worked the fuck out.

You know, like his honesty, like he'd be saying
some fucked up shit brandonbrandon's a no bullshit person
and neither am I, but andbrandon will call you on your
bullshit when you say some dumbshit all the time.
And so it's like, if I hearsomething and I'm like that's
fucking ridiculous even if I'mtrying to be combative a little
bit or whatever like I'm gonnaride that shit out.
I'm like, and I started talkingshit, so guess what I'm gonna
keep, I'm not gonna fucking sayI was wrong, I'm gonna keep

(45:54):
digging in if I fucked up.
I'm like, oh well, we're gonnaride this shit out as far as we
gotta go.
And I didn't know that my liverwas failing this whole fucking
time.

So I'm real pissed off all the goddamn time but you
know what, though I I with thatrelationship that we had
working here.
That was a really good point oflife right there, even though
with all the trauma and stufflike that.

But that's what it is.
That was a good point of life.
What do they say?
Trauma bond?

Yeah, that's a real thing.
Yeah, it was a trauma bond.
I was there for my guy.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I used to tell Brian like hey bro, if this nigga dies
.

I'm the only motherfucker here Like.
I'm fucking here Like what doyou want me to do?

Yeah, I'll run the shop.

Yeah, he just passed out Like I don't know man
.
He not looking good and nowhe's over here two weeks later.
Oh yeah, I'm out here.
I'm back out here.
I'm like guys, you need to calmyour ass down, like nah.

Well, and that's the thing too is like, if you
feel like shit and you know youfeel like shit.
My eyes were yellow.

Like I, my liver's failing.
I'm pretty sure I saw you withfucking yellow eyes one time.
When your liver's failing.

You have that like hepatitis, jaundice look.
So because of that, I like itwas obvious, it was all over my
body, like when somebody lookedat me they'd be like hey, are
you doing okay?
And when you hear some shitlike that all the time, even if
you don't feel good, that likethe last thing you want to hear
is like how you doing?
I'm like, fuck you, I'm finelike, leave me the fuck alone.
So it's like I got tired ofhearing that shit.
So anytime somebody andbrandon's like, brandon cares,

(47:22):
so brandon, be like hey, yougood, you doing all right.
I'm like man, fuck you, stopasking me that shit, so you want
to get more yeah, no, I'd belike.

So you, you're telling me you want a hug, then
yeah, yeah, yeah you know, whatI mean?
Really funny and I'll literallygo over there and hug cuz yeah,
yeah yeah, get you one of theseyou know what I mean like we
better get the fuck, because youdon't like shit like

that too, so you know, my mom is super, super
affectionate, like the word lovedoesn't have much of a meaning
to me, because my mom would belike she'd walk into the living
room and I'd be doing something.
She'd be like, hey, everything,okay, love you.
And I'd be like I love you.
And then she'd go in thekitchen, she'd go in the
bathroom and like two secondslater she'd be like all right,
I'm gonna go outside, love you.
And I'd be like, yeah, I loveyou.

(48:01):
And then eventually, like I Ibarely tell my mom's, like
touching me on the shoulder likehey, honey, like is there
anything like that?
And so that kind of shit pushedme the fuck away.
Like even with all I've fuckedup every relationship I've ever
been in, like I'm single rightnow because of shit like that,
because like I'll sit down andthen I'm like I want to be

(48:23):
affectionate, I want to cuddle,but then they like start to get
close to me and I'm scooting tothe other side of the couch and
I don't even realize I'm doingit.
It's because my mom is sofucking loving and so
affectionate and such a goodperson that it fucked me up.

Y'all just got to lean in.

I'm getting better at it.
I've realized the last twoserious relationships that I've
had.
I've been the skateboarder inme, the ignorant, shitty person
and my past of not wanting to beaffectionate.
It is fucked up every realrelationship I've ever had.
So it's like I'm having likethe next one that I have I'll be
that much better at like, likeI'll try to be aware in the

(49:01):
moment that I'm like I'm fuckingthis up.

Yeah, I mean, fuck man, I don't think.
If I'm going to be honest, Idon't think that's just going to
happen, you know, just basedoff of that.

And you're not wrong, because I've been this
way for 38 fucking years, yeahand that's not a diss.

I just feel like your pursuit towards life is not
going to allow you to have aconsistent relationship.
Like Gus goes hard, he's goneyeah.
Gone Up north, the fucking.
Where the fuck was the fucking?
I saw shots of san pedrofucking well, that was yesterday

(49:37):
yesterday, yeah, yeah, everysunday is skateboarding, yeah uh
, nine o'clock every day here,and then he gets pissed off when
you fuck up his schedule tooyeah so he's a creature of habit
I've been getting better aboutthat too, though.

It's like because I realized that, like like brian
, brian, brian, I was in theback room and then Brian would
be like, oh, you're going to goin the lobby now, and I'm like,
man, fuck that, I got my boothset up the way I like my booth.
I ain't going fucking nowhere,like tough shit yeah.
So because Brian always would belike well, so because working

(50:10):
for Brian and being around Brianand Brian's a good dude, so I
was just like all right, I gotto back the fuck off with this
shit Like I have to like thatwas a big thing You're saying
you don't like change.
I don't, I didn't for and, likeI, I'm trying to make an honest
effort, and being here has beenso.
We're always changing somethingin the shop.
So, like with the shop change,I've been so open, like recently

(50:34):
when we ripped apart the back.
He was like okay, zach, you'regonna go back on the other side.
I was like at first I was likegod damn it, but then I was like
well, you like it on this side,you might like it on that side.
Yeah, yeah so it's like, like myinitial is to fucking hate and
be against everything.
But then I have to like take asecond and I'm like, all right,
yeah, this might be cool, andthat's the new part.
He didn't have that shit before.
I didn't have that shit mywhole fucking life it was just

(50:56):
like yeah, this dude ismotherfucking crazy like calm
your ass down and it's not evenI, wake up and choose violence
yeah, yeah, I see that, yeah, soit's not even there's no like I
don't have like like my.
My level is at 13 all day.
Yeah, like I got, I'm soopinionated and I'm so
passionate about the shit that Ifuck with that.

(51:16):
It's like if you come into myspace and you're like, hey, tell
me about cameras, I'm just likeI don't want to learn about no
fucking cameras.
Like, sit the fuck down, we'lltell you about cameras.
So there's like I'm justalready.

You hate inauthentic.
Yeah, you hate inauthentic.
He's very like if you come tohim because of skateboarding,
right, and you have a disposablecamera and you're like and you
want to talk about cameras,you're probably going to get
cussed out.
Yeah, you're not going to have.
Or if you're a little kid, thenhe's going to spend all the
time and like I don't want youto demonize yourself, you're not
right?

no, I know, you know what I mean you're not so
fucking.

Some fucking people love you, bro, yeah, which I
find fucking high.

You know what I mean?
It's because they don't thebullshit.
There's no bullshit, right.
I'm me all the fucking timeRight.
It's like Whether you like itor not.

People be like oh fucking, Peacock, you ain't got
a great following.
And shit, this motherfuckercrazy.
He be saying all kinds of crazyshit.
Not to offend people.
You want to hear somethingfunny.

This morning I got a perfect example of that.
This guy hits me up and he'slike oh, can you touch up this
tattoo you did eight years ago?
And I go send me a picture ofit.
He sends me the picture and itlooks like a tattoo that's been
settled in and he's got a hairyleg and like want touched up.

(52:37):
And he's just like it's kind oflike it's.
It's not as black as it oncewas, like it's not punchy, and I
go I can show you the textmessage the text message read
verbatim shave your leg and putsome lotion on it.

Yeah, oh, yeah, right, yeah, because I care the
self-care people.

People neglect that a lot too.

The tattoo looks better when your fucking leg
doesn't have a beard on it andyou put lotion on that shit and
this dude's white.
You don't got to be black toput lotion on.

Come on now yeah, it's your particular person with
style, skateboarding cars.
I've seen him buy.
You got your tacoma and he tookthat bitch right back I had the
tacoma for a month and a halfyeah, he took that one and I got
it from a dealership.
Yeah.

I saw it out front too.
No, no, no, that's the Ranger.

Oh, that was the Ranger.
Okay, the one out front is aRanger.
I just got that.

I think I came in on a session and you had just
gotten the Tacoma.
Yeah.

And you turned that back around.
Yeah, so I had it for, becauseof all the motorcycle shit that
I do.
Absolutely and like having acar is just it's kind of like
oxymoron shit, like you got acar but you have.
You're dealing with electricbikes and motorcycles and parts
and you got friends that ridebikes and you can't help.

It doesn't make sense.
You can't help none of yourfriends out.

You can't help yourself out.

Yeah.

Can't haul a trailer the right way cylinder.
So I was like this thingfucking sucks.
So then I took it back to thedealership and I was like fuck
this thing, I want a hatchback.
So I got another.
I got back into a car and Ilove that car that car was a
shit.

Took the ducati back yeah, I got a.

I got a ducati hyper mozart, okay, and I had
that for two days shut up.
I rode down to san diego, Idropped the bike.
I traded my bike in the 701supermoto.
I traded that bike in for thishyper motard ducati.
It was a 950.
I got the bike, I rode it homeand the whole way home I'm just
like god damn, this bike's gotso much power and like the
seating position was kind ofaggressive because it's, it's,

(54:20):
it's a supermoto, but it's, it'sa, it's a sport bike and drag
that's, let's be realistic, likethat's what it was like this
bitch this bitch had a dress onon.
She's trying to act like a woman, but she ain't no bitch.
Yeah, yeah, it was fucked up.
Yeah, so I get it home, I rideit around the weekend and every
gear is just like bop, bop, bop.
There was no roll on thethrottle, it's hard, it was
on-off on-off.

(54:42):
And I'm riding around town andI'm just like ride sport bikes.
I've ridden them and I realizedthat that's not my shit.
Like I want a bike that I canjust ride around town if I want
to do wheelies, if I want tojump off a curb, if I want to be
a dick, then like that's why Igot into like the enduro or like
the, the dual sport bikes,because it's a street, legal,
dirt bike and I can be a dickout there yeah it's like it's a

(55:02):
skateboarder's bike.
That's what I call dual sportbikes, because it's like you're
going, you want to get on thecurb, you want to jump off the
curb.
You want to do a wheelie, youwant to not do wheelie, you want
to.
You want to burn out, you wantto fuck around it's like some
dirt skateboarding yeah it'sskateboarding at a faster pace.
So I had the ducati all weekendand then on monday I got the
bike on saturday and then mondaycomes around.
I called dealership and I waslike, hey, you still have my

(55:23):
bike and they're like, yeah,it's been two days.
I was like, hang on to it, I'mbringing the bike back.
And he's like what?
Like I'm riding the bike back,I'm coming to pick my bike up.
I was like this thing's gonnafucking kill me.
And I and he's just like hedidn't understand, I go, I know
that you guys already startedthe dmv paperwork.
I was like I understand that.
Like I'm gonna have to eat somemoney out of this yeah I was
like, but I'm coming to get mybike and I'm giving you this
bike back, and then so I go downthere and it was like 1700, was

(55:47):
like the DMV fees and all thatkind of shit, just to get things
switched back out.

Yeah, that never settles.

No man, I know what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for what I'mlooking for, and until I'm like
I'm never satisfied, but I'mlike, oh, this is pretty fucking
cool for right now.
And until I get to that point,then I'm like I'm good with that
for right now.
So, yeah, I don't care how muchit costs or how much bullshit,

(56:13):
and I'm not fucking rich, it'sjust that I'm looking for what I
am looking for.
And until, like, if I getsomething and I fucked up, I'll
admit it I'm like yo, that bikewas too much bike for me.
I had to take that fuckingducati back.

It was going to kill me explain to these fools
why you can't wear vans and nikesocks.

Oh nice I was hoping.

I was hoping that would come up yeah, explain to
these fools why you can't wearVans, which I agree.

So the thing with that is I'm posting what I'm
posting on Instagram all thetime is I'm making fun of people
who are cross-branding.
If you, as a skateboarder,everything like I said,
everything comes back toskateboarding I was sponsored by
a shoe company.
It was this company called VoxI boarding.

(56:56):
If I was sponsored by a shoecompany, it was this company
called vox, I think they werebased out of san diego, and when
I was skating for vox shoes, ifI was wearing a vans t-shirt or
a vans hat or adidas trackpants or fucking nike socks,
they'd be like what the fuck?
make you toss it, it's crossbranding if I get a photo in a
magazine and I got a fucking voxt-shirt on, but I got van shoes
on thank you.

they're like you look like a piece of shit.
You do look like a piece ofshit Straight up.
I'm on your team.

So when I see these motherfuckers out in the
real world this dumbmotherfucker got a Nike hat on
and his Adidas shirt, but he'sgot Pumas on I'm like, did you?
Just wake up and say fuck it, Idon't give a fuck how you look
yeah like.
What kind of a person in therest of your life are you like?
Okay cool.
Like you, just like yourgirlfriend makes your meals for

(57:37):
you.
You like your mom gave you thecar to drive.
Like you just you, just afucked up person.

Like you got no independence in your life the
only person that could get awaywith that is goose, yeah goose
is a wild man.

Let goose, beose be wild.
One of our homeboys from backin the day, he ran the local
active ride shop that was righthere in Riverside yeah.
Goose was doing some wild shit.
Yeah, he good with it but hehad the swag to back it up but
he looked good doing it yeahyeah, I feel like yeah.

(58:16):
I'm tough, so that's why it'slike I say, like all that shit
about mixed mash and all likethat, I don't understand that.
I don't know if Nike socks arethat comfortable.
I don't fucking wear Nike socks.
I don't fart, you know.
But everybody who wears slip onbands or simple vans, I get it
Cause they're simple, they matchwith fucking everything.
They're all wearing Nike socks,so it's like it.

I didn't realize how deep this fucking went.

And I'm just as white girl as everybody else at
Starbucks, so it's like I go toStarbucks once, twice a day.
Yeah, all these fucking kooksat Starbucks are wearing pulled
up Nike socks with Vans shoes.

It's a style, it's wild.
I didn't realize that it's astyle.
It's bullshit, is what it is.
They're like yo.
Let me get those Nike socks.

Yeah.

He was to ask you this question and he brought up
to me yesterday and I didn't getit.
And now I'm starting to get it.
People always talk shit on me,like they'll like right, they'll
respond to me.
Talking shit on somebody frommix mashing they go.
Well, what if that's all he had?
Move on, I'm like well, hespent more money on those nike
socks.
Yeah, then going to costco andgetting a 50 pack of kirkland
socks, or going to walmart ortarget and getting a fucking 12
pack of socks that cost like 10fucking dollars, that don't have
no logos on it, if you're outthere shining and banging on

(59:24):
people with your socks pulled upand you're trying to just like
logo, bang on everybody, matchyour fucking shit, dude.
That's my point.
It's like he didn't have to putthose Nike socks on.
He could have put some beat ass.
All those are the only onesthat I had clean.
Then do your fucking laundryretard Like.
I can't help you.
You got no fucking excuse I toldyou.

I told you that shit gets me going.
Follow his Instagram.
What's your Instagram?

At Zach Peacock, it's Z-A-C-H because my name is
Zachary, so at Zach.
Peacock Peacock like the bird.

Posting some funny stuff.
His work is solid too, guys.
He's a great tattooer.
Um, everything is clean,meticulous.
Um, if you have something coolto shoot, you guys should hit
him up, and then maybe yeah likeI've.

Zach Peacock (01:00:09):
I've filmed my, my most recent ex-girlfriend.
She's.
She's still the shit, like Ilove her daughter, like my own
and her name, natalia thomasshe's.
She's the best she was doingall the murder.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Miss murder case at miss murder case on instagram
yes, sir, but she does like all.

She's the best.
She was doing all the MissMurder, miss Murder Case At Miss
Murder Case on Instagram, yes,sir, but she does like all.
She's like real big intofitness.
She was a Marine, like she didall.
She did her tour.
She was in Afghanistan.
She was in Okinawa Like she putit down for the United States,
and so she's really big onfitness because of all like her
past and everything.
And then she got into the polefitness shit.
So it's kind of like poledancing without stripping type

(01:00:44):
it was hard, yeah and like Ialways like fucking joke around
and stuff.
But there was a pole at thehouse and I tried to pull myself
up and I was like, oh, I don'thave this no and I've been like
you're talking to somebody who'sfairly athletic, like I can, I
can run, I can jog, I can do allthese things because of
skateboarding, like, oh, I'venever, ever gone to the gym to
work out.
I still don't go to the fuckinggym to work out because, like
skateboarding has kept me inshape.

(01:01:04):
I always like I talk shitpeople be like, oh, you work out
, you do this kind of stuff.
I'm like man, fuck, you ain'tgoing to the gym.
Like gyms for a bunch of kooks,like fuck the gym.
But in hindsight, skateboardingI was skating and so that was
what was making me like keepingme in shape.
So I didn't have to go to thegym.
So there's a little caveat tothat, but so I got it.

(01:01:25):
What I was getting at was she'sI started shooting pole dancers
and I started filming andtaking pictures of them and it
was this rad Avenue and so whatI was talking about earlier was
like not being willing to settle.
So it's like I never I neversaid no to anything.

Brandon May (01:01:40):
It was amazing work .
So when something yeah.

Zach Batista (01:01:43):
Everybody would say that Doing Lord's work out
there, yeah, yeah yeah, heavenforbid.

there's a bunch of gorgeous girls in lingerie.

Oh sorry.

Boo fucking, hoo hoo.
Exactly, I'm over here tryingto be quiet like that.
Yeah, yeah, I saw his face.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that was amazing.

Yeah, good on you, sir but it's like recently, one
of the girls that did all thepole dancing stuff, she's like
she has grown up with horses andshe loves that lifestyle so
recently.
Like I've been trying to linkup with her for years, like our
schedules didn't work out soI've never filmed horses before
and so, and she's rad, she'ssuch a good chick.
Her name is jory and she's likej-o-r-y, I think, or e-y I'm

(01:02:21):
sorry I fucked that up, butshe's the best and she's such a
sweetheart.
And like her whole life ishorses.
Just like my life isskateboarding, but people only
know me as a tattooer.
And I'm like no, no, no,there's more to this shit than
that.
So I wanted like maybe peopleonly know her as a pole dancer
or whatever.
But I'm like no, you gotta seehow amazing this chick.
She's been breaking horses herwhole fucking life.
Like bring me your beat-ass,shitty-ass horse that don't

(01:02:43):
listen.

She's like I'll turn that motherfucker out so is
it interest that it's kind ofyou who decides what you do next
?
Huh.

I, because I don't make money filming.
I don't charge people any ofthat kind of stuff which is
crazy so.
But it also allows me to bepicky and do the shit that I
want to do.
And if you're like, hey, willyou film me skateboarding, blah
blah, then I might charge you todo that shit because it falls
into an interest that I'minterested in and if it's going
to cut into tattooing, time,taking time away.

(01:03:11):
Yeah, if it's taking time away,then I might charge you to do
it.
That's different.
But, I never shot horses before,so I've been trying to go out
with her to go shoot the horsesand so I shot the horses and it
was fucking rad, like it waswild, seeing her world and being
a part of it and doing all that, and it was dope just to be
that.
So what I'm saying is I want toshoot everything at least once,

(01:03:34):
because what if I don't knowthat?
That's what I like.
That might be my favoritefucking thing of all time to
shoot.
And if you're ignorant I'mfucking skateboarder, I don't
shoot horses then you'll neverknow that that was the dopest
thing that you could have beenshooting when I used to shoot.

Uh, going to new experiences was always really
hard yeah, you know um findingthe angle, understanding the
lighting yeah the movement.
Yeah, um, how you should beshooting the first day you go
out.
There is usually just aday-to-day it's chaos.
You know what I mean, and thenyou kind of get the lay of the
land.
I feel like any time you addmotion into photographer it just
adds a whole different element.

But that's where I'm comfortable because of
skateboarding, everything comesback to skateboarding and
because skateboarders don't waitfor you to set all your gear up
, like there's no.
Like on a movie set it's like,okay, cool, we're gonna light
the set.
Three hours later they're like,okay, bring the actors in,
because they already had astand-in to get the lighting
right, and all like that.
The actors come in.
I'm not saying it's easy, butI'm saying they talk their shit,

(01:04:34):
they do the thing, they do like50 takes or whatever, and then
they bounce.
They don't see like the fuckingfive days of prep that went
into that, and like the cameraguy, like they've been figuring
out the angles and blah, blah,blah.
What I'm getting at is theyhave all this fucking prep time
when you're filmingskateboarding.
It's just like, hey, you ready,let's go uh was fully flared set

(01:04:56):
up no that was just on theintro was like they, they that
was purposeful, like they setthat up and did all that.
But it's just a skate video.

It's just run and gun get after the skate video
almost, or uh, yeah right, is it?

yeah right are you talking like cheese and
crackers on the mini ramp?

nah, they're doing all of these crazy things oh so.

So girl skateboards it's under the, the
umbrella of krail tap.
Krail tap is like royal trucks,girl and chocolate skateboards,
four-star clothing, leavingsomebody out, whatever.
All those those little entitiesthat they have under that
umbrella.
Their real type was spike,spike jones.
And spike jones is askateboarder and filmed

(01:05:40):
skateboarding with his friendsand grew up riding BMX and
skateboards.
And he just happened to beskating with Eric Koston and
Mike Carroll and Rick Howard.
That was his group of people.
So as he got better at filmingand then, like somebody saw his,
like a video that he hadproduced, and then they were
like oh shit, will you film ourmusic video?
So then, like the Beastie Boys,whoever runs the, the beastie

(01:06:00):
boys hit him up.
So he did all the beastie boysmusic videos.
So he has, like, this wealth ofmusic video filming because of
skateboarding.
It got him into music videosand then he started filming like
he did her and where the wildthings are spike spike.
He's done so many amazing, realbig budget movies that dude's a
fucking skateboarder.

Oh no, what happened to the audio?
Did it cut out?
Ha ha, no, just me.
Find out what Zach Peacockreally likes, along with some
wild and crazy stories from thebeginning of his tattoo career.
Also more about Spike Jones.
All this continued on BeeDisease.

(01:06:41):
Next episode Dun dun dun.
Oh.
Ps.
If you haven't subscribed yet,you probably should now.
And you know, I mean give itlike five or six stars.
You can follow on all yourpreferred listening apps Apple,
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