April 1, 2024 • 37 mins
Ever wondered how the vibrant, inked world of tattooing meshes with the curated galleries of Instagram? Strap in as we bring the heat, dissecting the intersection of social media and skin art. We're tearing down the fourth wall, engaging directly with you, our Instagram tribe, to stitch together a podcast episode that's as spontaneous as a stick-and-poke tattoo at a house party. Your questions fuel our fireside chat, casting light on the peculiar balance between digital connection and personal space—all wrapped up in stories that reveal the colorful fabric of our industry, like that time a deaf client gestured their way into preparing for the most unconventional of events.
But it's not all sunshine and screen time; we throw a spotlight on the darker side of our digital lives. Feel the weight of a tattoo artist's social media presence—where 24/7 accessibility is a double-edged sword, slicing through personal time and warping client expectations. I'm not shy about sharing the tightrope walk of posting our work online, sifting through DMs for the perfect client, and the sacred art of safeguarding personal space. It's a candid look behind the ink-stained curtain of our lives online, where we strive to keep our heads above the algorithmic waves without drowning in notifications.
Finally, we cap off with a riff on the ripple effects of social media on our personal lives. We're popping bottles over the end of our shadow ban and amplifying our voices to Pandora's vast audience. I'll lay it bare—how tapping a heart on a photo can tug at the heartstrings of a relationship, and why sometimes a post is more than just a post. We close with a nod to your voices, the chorus behind our podcast passion, and drop hints about the guests and stories waiting in the wings. So, here's a heartfelt salute to you, our supporters; your presence is the pulse of our show. Keep tuning in for the ink-spired sagas that lie ahead.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good evening, good evening, 4.46 pm, march 29th.
We're actually live on ourInstagram right now doing some
(00:23):
filming and we want to.
We're going to ask the doingsome filming and we want to.
We're going to ask the audiencefor some questions.
We want some questions for youguys.
You guys can throw a fewquestions on the board and then
we're going to address themduring the podcast.
We'll try something different.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, definitely trying something different, Kind
of making it about social mediaa little bit.
We're kind of trying to havesomewhat of an over theme, so
what a better way to bring insocial media?
With social media we're live.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Social media platform we tend to use the most is
Instagram, so go ahead andfollow it.
If you haven't, it's at B2Zpodcast.
And also today we're tryingsomething we haven't tried since
our very first our trailer.
That was episode zero.
(01:15):
On our podcast, we're recordingafter a tattoo session on me
yes, this is true which I wasconcerned about.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, the quality.
Well, the quality and justseeing if you were going to be
too spent.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh, yeah, but we're good, I feel great.
Energy is high.
Yeah, I'm sure Energy is at anall-time high, all-time high
yeah.
Which brings me to a fewfeedback comments.
One was I'm not going to saywho, because it was kind of
general across the board Peoplewanted to see us.
So that, again, that's whywe're trying the Instagram live.
(01:54):
We're going to be posting somemore videos, more clips, because
we got good feedback from those.
Yeah, yeah, we enjoyed it.
Yeah, honestly, we didn't knowhow much we were going to enjoy
this until we started, Right.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And it's been exciting too the whole way
through.
We look forward to coming andtalking to you guys and bringing
our narrative to the story.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So some straight up quick shout outs, some straight
up quick shout outs, if you cangive, at the ghost charades.
That's C-H-A, r-a-d-e-s.
That's Lamar Neal.
He gave us some excellent,excellent feedback.
He sent us a DM and showed ussome love.
(02:42):
We really appreciate that.
Another colleague of ours,uriel Sainz it's at Uriel
U-R-I-E-L-S-A-E-N-Z.
He gave us some really goodfeedback as well, and I know him
(03:03):
through the Working Dogs forWarriors.
He has a service dog as as wellwhat kind of dog he has,
probably, and everyone gives hima little shit for it.
Yeah, because it's alabradoodle or it's a, it's a
doodle, okay, straight up doodle, and he has, he has.
The dog has his own, his ownpage too.
It's at, uh, sirvalentino.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh, SirValentino, huh , Fancy dog man.
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I love that dog Right on.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Thank you for your feedback.
What are they saying?
What did Lamar say?
And then what did the?
What was the other gentleman'sname, uriel Uriel.
Give me a little breakdown.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah.
So, uriel, again, they listenedto it, they checked everything
out and he said I like the.
Uriel said specifically, I likethe loose script and he likes
that we're including thelisteners so far.
So I just hope we keep gettingbetter and better at doing that.
(04:02):
Yeah, yeah I feel like the moregetting better and better at
doing that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like the more tight we get, the
more uncomfortable we get.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's just like a pair of jeans.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know what I'm saying?
That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
We want to keep them loose so we can breathe.
And then the shout out to Lamarthat came from he just said
loving the content so far.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The audio.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He brought the audio.
We're always trying to work onthat, um, hopefully, hopefully
it keeps that continues to getbetter as well.
Um is our, it's our technicalknowledge, um, and he actually
he had a.
Yeah, I'm glad you brought thisup.
He had a question.
He goes uh, I, I think it wouldbe dope to hear more about the
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most fascinating tattoos youhave ever done, or the most
bizarre.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I know you got a story for that.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh, story time.
Okay, I was tattooing this deaflady one time.
We were communicating all onnotepad, which was different,
right?
So there's a lot of lost intranslation type moments, and
I'm not a signer or ASL whiz oranything like that.
Shout out to the ones that are.
And we were doing a tattoo as apraying mantis on her foot.
As I'm doing the tattoo, youknow, she's kind of getting a
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little bit antsy and stuff likethat.
She's also talking to gentlemenon FaceTime, talking to them,
signing to them on FaceTime, andI'm like, oh, OK, I write down
what are you doing.
Because there's like five guyson there, you know.
And I was like, okay, what isit you're doing?
And she was like oh, you know,I'm living my life.
And I was like well, what doesthat mean, you know?
(05:42):
And she's like well, I'mpreparing for a gangbang and
that's number seven.
And I'm like what?
She's like, yeah, I have aterminal illness.
And she was lining dudes up andshe was getting ready to go
have a little fun.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh, she was talking about that bucket list.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
hard yeah yeah, that's not even the messed up
story.
So I'm tattooing this lady andI'm praying mantis on her foot.
She came in with sandals andshe's sitting with one of her
legs under her knees and theother leg is towards me and
obviously we're not talking toeach other.
But she's feeling comfortable,she's in her little zone on
FaceTime and stuff like that,and she starts picking at her
feet.
I'm not necessarily a big footperson, so, like you,
(06:13):
immediately, I'm immediatelystaring at you a little bit with
some not kind eyes and she'sgoing and she starts picking at
her feet.
She starts picking at her feetand I look up.
She grabs and she startspicking at her feet.
She starts picking at her feetand I look up.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
She grabs a piece of skin and puts it in her mouth
and starts eating it.
Okay, that's a lot.
Yeah, that's a lot to handle.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I mean, there's a tattoo story for you.
Yeah, I think that hit all theblocks.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Lamar, I think one story that one's for you.
Lamar, you hit everything youwere looking for, bro.
Yeah yeah, son of a gun.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So that was an interesting one.
I understand people getcomfortable and they pick at
things and you think you're athome and that is the idea is to
keep you comfortable, but notthat comfortable.
That's real comfortable.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, that's too comfortable.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So long story short, don't go in there and pick it at
your feet and eat your deadskin off your toes.
That's nasty.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, that that's nasty.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, that's not actually I'm so I'm gonna take a
quick look at the.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm gonna see how's that story.
I asked her.
I started I was like I get up,let me see.
I'm gonna stop and see if wegot any questions coming yeah,
joy.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Uh, when do you think you will have your first guest?
And we've been going back andforth on first guests.
What tone we're going to setwith the first guests.
If we're shitting on anybody bybringing in certain guests,
that makes them not want to comein after we have our first
guest, but very soon.
Here we kind of really wantedto get all the kinks out before
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we bring somebody in into ourworld.
We don't want to look foolishin any way and we want to
definitely come off as aprofessional and get a good
story across.
So as soon as we're able tobring the right individual in
who fits to the podcast and thedemographic of what it is, man,
we're going to have them inthere real soon.
(08:00):
The only I think I guess thebiggest thing is like we just
there's a lot of people we wantto bring in for you guys.
We have a great list ofindividuals that will be
interviewing for you guys Sometattoo owners, some military
vets, some from the dog world,some artists outside of
tattooing, but individuals thatwere huge in me and Zach's world
(08:25):
, some that helped me with mineand some that helped him with
his.
So those are the types ofindividuals we'll be bringing on
.
We don't know who the first oneis going to be yet.
And that first one man, it'sgoing to be exciting, because
we're definitely excited for ittoo.
We know that you guys justdon't want me and zach the whole
time, even though it should beenough.
(08:48):
No, I'm just kidding, it shouldbe enough and honestly,
ultimately, we still want itrevolving around our goal.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We still want to be promoting uh health and wellness
, correct uh and as it functionsin our, in our daily lives, uh,
so so we also want our guestsuh to to be to be centered
around that as well.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So I would say, within the next two episodes you
would see a guest.
Maybe probably the next one youmight see a guest on here or an
interview.
Um, and we're really excitedabout that and thank you for
your question.
For whoever that, was.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Thank you, thank you everyone, everyone that's
joining right now.
If everybody hears me, ok, Ihope everybody hears me, ok,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Give a thumbs up if you hear us.
Yeah, if everything sounds goodon that end and we do want to
use you guys today for today'sepisode.
Today's episode is Overtone isa little bit of social media and
we've been kind of diving intoit.
Social media is huge in myworld.
As a tattooer, I use it topromote my business.
It being one of the freeplatforms to promote a business
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on is really really nice.
Tiktok is not necessarily mything, yet Instagram is my main
form of how I promote mybusiness.
But with that there is adownside.
You know you got your haters.
You got your friends that don'tlike nothing.
You got people who just want tobe in your business and time
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bandits people who just want totake your time and ask questions
and stuff like that.
So we're talking about thepositives and the negatives of
social media today and we reallywant to bring you guys in to
help develop the conversationthat we're having.
We're trying a new format todayso, you know, be patient with
us, as always, and if you haveany questions, please feel free
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to rifle them off now and wewill tap in and we will answer
those questions to the best ofour ability.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
So I'll pitch a question to you right now.
Okay, Even though you usesocial media for a positive
aspect to promote your business,as well as what we're doing for
the podcast we're podcasting,we're promoting on social media
Do you see social media as anegative thing?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
No, I don't see it as a negative thing as far as my
business, but I do see it as anegative thing that I have to
keep going in order to berelevant forms of business that
you really don't necessarilywant to do all the time.
But it is pivotal as a tattooartist that you show your work
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and have that online portfolioor museum that best depicts your
work.
I enjoy certain aspects of it,but it is forever changing.
You know, I guess my attitudechanges towards social media.
If I'm not doing as good, thenI'm on my social media, or not
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as good as as busy.
If I'm not as busy, then I'mgoing to promote on social media
a little bit more.
But it's also important not tojust, as a tattooist, focus on
social media.
So there is that gift and acurse thing media.
So there is that gift and acurse thing Ways that it's good
is I get to meet clientelewithout having to go to an event
and give out business cards andstuff like that.
It's a great tool for yourstarting business because you
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can get immediate interactionbetween the client or the
consumer and the tattooer.
So it just creates this windowthat anybody can follow through.
You don't have to be open atnine o'clock.
You're always open on theinternet so they could always
tap in.
The negative sides of it is thatpeople think that they could
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just text you whenever and get aresponse, or, you know, they
feel like they're the mostimportant one when they send a
message.
I mean, you know, yes, you areimportant, but there's also
hundreds of people that text andDM and stuff like that and it
does become somewhat monotonousa little bit.
And that doesn't mean I wanty'all to stop.
Continue to send me messagesand help me develop my craft and
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support Be May Ink as well asthis podcast, but I definitely
found it, you know.
That's.
The drawbacks for me is thatpeople attach an emotion to a
software which I find a littlebit weird.
You know what I mean.
It's like oh, you unfollowed me.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh man, you're you know I've hadpeople go off on me because I
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don't follow them.
And if I don't follow you, it'sbecause I don't support what it
is that you're doing anymore.
It's not a direct inclinationof who you are as a person, it's
just I don't want you in mynewspaper.
I look at Instagram as anewspaper, a magazine that I
read, and every once in a whileyou get those ads that you rip
out, you know, or thosepamphlets to buy another
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magazine.
I it is my choice.
You know what I mean.
I don't like the aspects ofhaving to or the pressure of
promoting people.
Sometimes I'll do a tattoo,right, and I don't always get
good pictures of the tattoos,but people will be like oh, you
(14:01):
didn't post my tattoo, whydidn't you post my tattoo?
And it's just like well, I'vegot a shitty picture of it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You know what I mean, and it doesn't really promote
the business the best right now.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, the tattoo looks solid, know what I mean and it
doesn't really promote thebusiness the best right now.
Yes, the tattoo looks solid,but or if it's a tattoo that you
like and it doesn't do anythingfor me artistically, it's not
necessarily something that I'mgoing to put at the forefront of
my business.
You know what I mean.
So those are a few of thedrawbacks of social media and
stuff.
I find them triggeringsometimes.
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I mean.
So the main takeaway from thatis it's not you, it's it's not,
it's not the other person, it'snot you, it's it's me.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I would just say, like, if
you're trying to get to yourartist and he's not getting back
to you and stuff like that, itcould be you, it could be that
you're getting at him wrong, itcould be that your your words
don't translate and you could bebugging him.
I hear this all the time.
Oh, he won't respond to mymessages.
Not necessarily me, but fromother people who come and get
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tattooed from me, which they'llbe like oh, you weren't the
first person I hit up and I'mlike oh, thanks.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I wonder why the other guy?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
didn't hit you up.
But they come to me and they'relike oh, you know, this guy
didn't hit me up and immediatelythrough your conversation I
could tell why he didn't hit youup.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I always ask the questions like well, what did
you do?
Did you piss him off?
You know, because artists arechill man, you know, tattooing
is hard.
We're trying to salvageeverything.
You know we want to work withyou, but there are just those
certain people that don't fit in.
And social media is a good wayof kind of filtering that out.
You know you can getconsultations on social media.
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Now they have a FaceTimeportion to the app.
I will use that to say I'mtattooing somebody out of state
and we need a consultation.
I'll use Instagram for areference or for a hub for us to
have these meetings and stufflike that or what.
(16:00):
Ok, one thing that's reallyreally good about social media
is the amount of art that youcan see within a minute.
You know what I mean.
Like oh my gosh, there's justso many amazing artists out
there.
You're like, oh my gosh,there's just so many amazing
artists out there.
You know, then, and it'stailored to your liking, just
like when you talk to someone,it pops up on your algorithm,
right?
So I really enjoy that aspectof social media is that it is
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tailored to my liking.
You know, as far as what it isthat I get to view on a daily
basis, and I really like thatbecause it allows me to be in
Italy basis.
And I really like that becauseit allows me to be in Italy.
It allows me to be in Irelandor wherever else I'm, you know,
at two o'clock in the morningwhile I'm looking at other
people's art, you know.
So it's definitely a cool toolto for research and to check the
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tone of the world and to seewhere the art is at.
You can see if people are busy,if they're not busy and what
people are tapping into.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You said something and I'm going to take off on
that, so I've been doing thesocial media for the podcast
page to try and get some of theburden off you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You're already running a business page, as well
as a studio page.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Correct, so I decided to just take it for a week.
So we business page as well ashis studio page, correct, so I
decided I'll just take it for aweek.
So a week We've been live for aweek too.
Yeah so that's something worthcelebrating.
Thank you, thank you foreverybody.
We're at just under 150downloads and that's huge for us
.
The support has been huge.
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But so one thing triggered me.
I went a little wild onInstagram and Instagram shut me
down.
Yeah yeah, I learned some rules.
So if you don't know this as abusiness, don't worry, I did the
research.
It's anywhere between 200 and250 follows is the limit per day
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.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Only so much positivity in one day.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Exactly.
Otherwise, they think you're abot.
So no, instagram, I'm not a bot, just trying to just try to
promote something.
So if you haven't been followedback, or if you're feeling a
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certain type of way because Ididn't like back your comment or
I didn't, I didn't respond tosomething that you thought I
would respond to this this week,I do have an excuse and that's
because Instagram did limit thepodcast account.
Now this brings me intosomething.
I'm a personal story betweenthe two of us.
I triggered Brandon's artisticstyle towards his brand.
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I was triggered, y'all yeah andI threw I won't even say what
it was, but I threw something.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Say it yeah, and I threw.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I won't even say what it was, but I threw something.
Say it, okay.
So I threw a post up from InkedMag and, just without even
thinking about it, I just gotdone with the workout.
I wanted to communicate withour audience.
I wanted to get someinteraction, throw a question
out there and I asked iftattooers need to be tattooed
and had a yes, yes or noquestion underneath.
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However, I did not payattention to any of the colors,
any of the size, and I want youto know this is why I get
tattooed by this man right here.
So, even though it turned out,it was kind of an interesting
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interaction.
Oh yeah, I came in, came in hot.
I felt rubbed the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, yeah, we had our first blowout.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, our first podcast fight.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it ended up turning out good
and it made me real.
This is, this is exactly why Iget tattooed by this man.
This is why, um, I trust him.
Uh, he's, he's so detailoriented uh it'll blow your mind
.
If you, if you, if you havetattoos by him, or if you've
ever gotten tattooed by him uh,thank you for this this is why I
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continue.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
This is why I continue thank you yeah yeah,
and you know so, and from my end.
I was at home, I was in thekitchen and I I saw you're
cooking for the kids.
You, yeah, yeah, and you knowso, and from my end, I was at
home, I was in the kitchen and II saw you're cooking for the
kids.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the kids, and it came off
and real nice at first.
Yeah, then it went south realfast yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
So, and I'm one of those people.
I'm a direct line communicator,you know, um, as soon as I'm
feeling it, I would like to talkto the individual while it's
hot, you know, just so I canhonor my emotions.
You know what I mean, andsometimes that's a good thing
and sometimes that's a bad thing.
We I talked about in previousepisodes of how I start hot, but
I need to start a little bit atmedium.
(20:43):
Well, on this day, I started alittle bit high.
I wasn't angry, but I waspassionate about what it is that
I believed in.
As far as the overall tone forInstagram and messages Me being
a coil tattooer the picture wasof a tattooer with a wand and
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Ink Mag is a well-respectedmagazine, but for me, it's one
of those taboo magazines that Ifeel like Go ahead, but for me,
it's one of those taboomagazines that I feel like Go
ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, what you had said to me was they are notable
for for getting crazydiscussions.
Yeah, like they try to pulldiscussions from whatever corner
Correct Of the tattoo world.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, it's a.
It's a little bit gimmicky, youknow what I mean, as far as,
like, they're just looking forclickbait and looking for the
next big thing to promote sothat they can bring longevity to
their magazine.
Fine by them.
But for the tattooers, and howI was raised in my tattoo
history and my apprenticeshipand stuff like that, I don't
necessarily jive with a lot ofthe topics that they're coming
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up with and I find them a littlebit intrusive or damaging to to
the industry and more.
For they want selfish clicks,you know, and because we you
know Zach is running themarketing and stuff like that,
you know it was 100 percentneeded a conversation we had.
We needed to have aconversation so that we could
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get on the same page of what itis that, what our brand is and
how we should promote ourselvesand and promote within a certain
format.
And you know, after a littleheated argument and then a long
break throughout the day, weended up catching up with each
other in the evening and wehashed all this stuff out, um,
which was good, and I feel likewe got a lot out of that
(22:28):
interaction.
So it was a necessary evil, iswhat I would call that.
Absolutely Nothing againstanything that he was doing, but
10 years within the tattooindustry, I've kind of created a
tone for myself and, you know,if it just doesn't fit for me,
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then I have to be real with himand bring it up.
You know, and that, and that'swhat I did.
A lot of the reasons I was hotis because I was.
It came straight from theInstagram and I'll tell you it
was maybe 10, 15 seconds later.
I called him and I was like yo,what the fuck was that, you
know?
And he was like what the fuckyou be with?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It wasn't on brand.
Let's just say it wasn't onbrand for VMA Inc or B2Z Podcast
.
The color scheme was off.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, we would like to create an overtone.
Yeah, we want to create anovertone for you guys.
And it's not that he was doinganything wrong.
It's just that we're adifferent type of tattoo brand
than what it was that he waspromoting.
You know, I think I said thatthe ad looked a little bit more
like.
If you don't read the verbiage,then it looks like a chick
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doing permanent makeup.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Right, something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And then you know and he was like well, read it, you
know what I mean Like that'swhere we differed, but
nonetheless we had an issue.
We came together.
You know what I mean.
Like that's where we differed,but nonetheless we had an issue.
We came together, you know whatI mean, and we defused that
issue, solved it within a dayWithin a day, and jumped back on
the project.
And now we're better for that.
So if you guys got issues, mandon't hold that shit in.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You don't see any questions on there.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Let's see what we got questions on there.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, no questions.
If you guys have any uhquestions about social media or
any entertaining things that youcan help develop this story,
please chime in.
Uh, we're willing to take somequestions now.
Um, is there been anything onthe internet that has triggered
you from um zach, you can answerthis question first and then
we'll give you guys a second tokind of type something in.
We'd like to know whattriggered you as well.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Go ahead, give me something that triggered you
besides me the other day callingyou uh, well, after, after
learning, uh, that instagram is,uh, very watchful on sites, and
that's that all has to do withalgorithms that they're
utilizing, I was able to justrelax, relax, relax and let it
(25:02):
happen.
And April 1st is our, is ourbig comeback, relaunch day,
where I should have full controlcontrol of of Instagram.
I think our shadow band willend.
So, not something thattriggered me, but something I
learned.
We weren't, I felt, comfortablein being on as many directories
(25:31):
as possible, but we weremissing one.
We were missing Pandora, andPandora is also a big site, yeah
, big music app.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So we got that listed as well last night.
So we're just taking things onthe chin, taking hits on the
chin, learning something new.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I got a question.
What you got Is it taboo tolike another woman's photos if
you're in a relationship?
And if it's not, then when doesit become taboo?
What is that line, thatimaginary line that your woman's
like hold up?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
that's too much.
Do I think there is ever aproblem with it?
Yes, no, I actually don't thinkthere's ever a problem with it.
But I'm a liker man.
It doesn't take a lot for me tolike something.
I'm very free with my likes.
If something just hits me theright way, I'm all about it,
(26:36):
even if that's the curve of awoman's life.
Sorry, but yeah, if you're in arelationship should you have
respect for the person you'redating, absolutely.
That person should have respectfor themselves and bring it up
to you.
I like confrontation In arelationship.
Maybe that's where some of myrelationships failed.
It was not enough confrontation, but I do.
(26:59):
I bring the heat.
I feel like you have adifferent view on this, so
what's your view on the samequestion?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay.
Do you think it's wrong?
I think it's wrong if I'mhurting my lady's feelings.
Yes, but do they have to bringthat to your attention?
Do I personally think it'swrong?
I think it's wrong if I'mhurting my lady's feelings.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yes, but do they have to bring that to your attention
, but do I?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
personally think it's wrong.
No, okay, I consider it to belike going to a car show and
then seeing a nice car and belike, ooh, I like that.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, yeah, yeah, you know you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Just because I'm in a relationship doesn't stop me
from recognizing beauty.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Just I'm in a relationship doesn't stop me
from recognizing beauty Justbecause I have a car.
Just because I got a carDoesn't mean I can't recognize
somebody else's car for thebeauty that it is.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Now, if I'm up at two o'clock in the morning yes,
Looking at ass and liking stuffthen I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know what I mean.
That's overindulging, I feellike, yes, but if it's somebody
like, say, it's model, okay, andI've known them for years and
they take scandally clad photosor whatever, I'm still going to
continue to like those justbecause of the relationship that
I've dealt.
You know I'm supporting yourbusiness.
If your brand is ass, thenwhatever.
(28:03):
You know and I enjoy you as ahuman being, then I'll probably
just I'll like it, you know.
But if my lady were to be like,are you doing too much?
Like I wouldn't say that she'swrong, you know, because I've
made her feel a certain type ofway.
But that's a conversation to behad, that is a conversation to
be had.
And for me I just I, I guess Ilimit my likes to stuff like
(28:27):
that.
I don't, I'm not going to likeno ass, you know, unless I know
that person and what it is thatthey're doing.
Um, if I don't know them andI'm like an ass, then it's like
okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You're actively searching for a little bit of a
piece of shit, so so so I I knowit's a, it's a, it's cliche,
but I feel like this rounds outour social media Too much of a
good thing is bad.
Yeah, or too much of anythingcan be bad, so so yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Too much of people do this all the time, Venting on
the internet about theirrelationships.
I know when you guys havebroken up because you got a
little quote saying oh, theriver runs over the rocks and
I'll be better tomorrow orsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
It's an aspirational thing.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
How do you feel about people communicating their
negative things in their liveson social media?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I feel that's free therapy.
It's free therapy, yeah, Ifthey feel comfortable and
vulnerable enough to put itonline.
But then you're depends on howmuch you put online.
If you just put enough to getattention, then maybe you
shouldn't be just trying to getattention.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Right and okay.
I guess.
The question is now how wouldyou feel from the other side of
it too?
You're in a relationship, thisrelationship crumbles and you
are seen as the asshole, andshe's on the internet talking
about.
Zach ain't shit, fuck him.
He wasn't shit, ain't nevergoing to be shit.
Do you still feel the same way?
(29:59):
Is that still free?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
therapy or you're like hold on, it's still free
therapy.
Obviously, she's sayingsomething.
She's got to get it off herchest.
Mm-hmm, All right off her chest.
Who might have tell her?
Tell her, tell her.
No, Obviously there was anissue with the relationship if
we couldn't have thatcommunication in private, Right,
Right.
So if she feels the need, sheneeds to put it, then that
relationship was doomed to failin the beginning.
(30:20):
Yeah it could be right it couldbe.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I personally don't want my significant other going
to social media to express ourdifferences or our failures.
You know, what I mean.
I'd like my failures to be tohappen in the private.
Yeah, obviously I don't get achoice in what other people do,
(30:44):
but I've never had anybody dothat to me.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I feel, I feel like that's a good, a good spot to
round us out at.
Yeah, if we're doing good,let's give it a quick check and
then we'll be ready for ourroundup.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We're looking good.
We're looking good.
We're looking good, noquestions.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Sorry that pause was us looking at social media, the
topic of today's post.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Hey, what's up, Jay A ?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
lot of love.
We're getting shown a lot oflove right now.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Jay, how do you feel about social media and being
outed in relationships orputting your significant other
on your page?
Do you ever get pressed?
Chime in you guys, chime inFrank, chime in.
Ask a question about socialmedia that we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So for our roundup today, I found I got two quotes.
Is that all right?
Yeah, go for it.
They both have to do withpassion.
I feel like passion was thetopic of the week, not just
today's episode.
What do you think?
Yeah, you like passion.
Yeah.
So I have one from OprahWinfrey.
(32:03):
She said passion is energy.
Feel the power that comes fromfocusing on what excites you.
I felt that this week I feltsome power and I also have one
that I feel.
That's why the second one camein.
It's from Vincent Van Gogh.
He said I would rather die ofpassion than of boredom.
(32:24):
Two, two, two.
I decided to make a two for onespecial here.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I got a question.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I got a question.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
We'll remain anonymous, just because I don't
want to get you guys in trouble.
Okay, women request you havetheir name in their bio.
Oh, so is that protocol forrelationships?
Now, if you were in arelationship, does your lady
need to be within that littlebio section saying, hey, married
(33:01):
in a relationship, with the tagor the ad in it?
Um, for me, no, I don't feellike it's, because that's my
chain page, that's my channel.
You know what I mean.
It's a very it's not a superpersonal channel, but I also
don't want everybody to be ableto get close to me like that.
(33:23):
You know, yes, I want you toknow certain aspects of me, but
I don't want you to know who mylady is, because I got people
that necessarily don't care forme.
Or, and if there are a lot ofprivate things about me, but the
most private thing it would bemy family.
You know what I mean, and soI'm going to say no on that one.
I don't think you got to putthem on there at all.
(33:44):
So if she's stressing you outabout that, don't put her on
there, because it's your page.
She could put it on hers.
Be with the answers for you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, that was good, and to caveat off that I never
have.
Yeah, yeah, I never felt theneed to, so I never have.
I never even thought about it.
But yeah, thanks for thequestion.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Jay says I keep my relationship private.
It's been an amazing.
It's been an amazing.
It's been an amazing.
I tattooed Jay there BaltimoreI believe from Baltimore and him
and his lady have flown in andthey came and got tattoos Solid,
both of them Super solid andthey have a strong, strong
relationship.
(34:25):
He's also got a pretty good webpresence as well.
It's a J-A-Y-Y underscore,h-v-s-t-l.
So if you guys want to give Jaya follow, he's man, that dude
could dress man, he got fashionand all that stuff on lock.
He's a good dude, too Greatstory.
I prefer to keep my privatestoo, jay, I like privacy.
(34:47):
I feel like the less opinions Ican get upon my relationship,
especially when I'm goingthrough something, the better
off we are, and that's me and mylady Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Too many cooks in the kitchen right.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, we all know when you get into an argument
and your lady leaves and she'sbeen talking to her punk-ass
friend and she comes backregurgitating all her stuff,
don't we hate that?
Yeah too, man.
So like we know when y'alldoing that, we know when you're
doing it.
It's not you coming, we knowwhat you were saying.
(35:22):
You coming back with whatsomebody else would say, and we
don't want your friend's opinionupon our relationship.
We want yours, we want yours,we want yours.
I feel like a lot ofrelationships would be better if
people were just brutallyhonest, brutally honest.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Well, I think that was a pretty successful episode.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, man.
How about you?
Is that a half an hour already?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
We're over a half hour Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Listen to that, guys.
Yeah, so I was keeping our timein check.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, if you're ready to sign off man, I'm ready to
sign off.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Thank you guys for listening.
Thank you for the feedback.
Thank you for all thesubscribers that we've got from
the start.
Thank you for all the ones thatare coming.
Please promote us.
Please feel free to tap in.
We're part of the community.
We're not away from you guys.
We want you guys to be a biggerpart of this.
So thank you for everybodywho's commented, and come to
Zach as far as having an opinion.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
We really appreciate that guys, and for today, we
love it, we love the feedback.
Again to reiterate, and if youliked what we did today, let us
know and we'll try and make ithappen again.
But, yes, more to reiterate,and if you liked what we did
today, let us know and we'll tryand make it happen again.
But yes, more to come.
Guests coming soon.
Guests coming soon and there'sgoing to be a new episode.
(36:37):
This episode will be availablein a week and a half and we have
a brand new episode dropping onMonday, along with some, some
other clips, because we weactually we actually videotaped
the last episode.
We posted some of that up lateryeah, we did videotape it came
out good so, yeah, much love toeverybody.
(37:01):
Thank you, thanks, guys.
Good evening, good evening, 4.46 pm, march 29th.
We're actually live on ourInstagram right now doing some
(00:23):
filming and we want to.
We're going to ask the doingsome filming and we want to.
We're going to ask the audiencefor some questions.
We want some questions for youguys.
You guys can throw a fewquestions on the board and then
we're going to address themduring the podcast.
We'll try something different.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, definitely trying something different, Kind
of making it about social mediaa little bit.
We're kind of trying to havesomewhat of an over theme, so
what a better way to bring insocial media?
With social media we're live.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Social media platform we tend to use the most is
Instagram, so go ahead andfollow it.
If you haven't, it's at B2Zpodcast.
And also today we're tryingsomething we haven't tried since
our very first our trailer.
That was episode zero.
(01:15):
On our podcast, we're recordingafter a tattoo session on me
yes, this is true which I wasconcerned about.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, the quality.
Well, the quality and justseeing if you were going to be
too spent.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh, yeah, but we're good, I feel great.
Energy is high.
Yeah, I'm sure Energy is at anall-time high, all-time high
yeah.
Which brings me to a fewfeedback comments.
One was I'm not going to saywho, because it was kind of
general across the board Peoplewanted to see us.
So that, again, that's whywe're trying the Instagram live.
(01:54):
We're going to be posting somemore videos, more clips, because
we got good feedback from those.
Yeah, yeah, we enjoyed it.
Yeah, honestly, we didn't knowhow much we were going to enjoy
this until we started, Right.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And it's been exciting too the whole way
through.
We look forward to coming andtalking to you guys and bringing
our narrative to the story.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So some straight up quick shout outs, some straight
up quick shout outs, if you cangive, at the ghost charades.
That's C-H-A, r-a-d-e-s.
That's Lamar Neal.
He gave us some excellent,excellent feedback.
He sent us a DM and showed ussome love.
(02:42):
We really appreciate that.
Another colleague of ours,uriel Sainz it's at Uriel
U-R-I-E-L-S-A-E-N-Z.
He gave us some really goodfeedback as well, and I know him
(03:03):
through the Working Dogs forWarriors.
He has a service dog as as wellwhat kind of dog he has,
probably, and everyone gives hima little shit for it.
Yeah, because it's alabradoodle or it's a, it's a
doodle, okay, straight up doodle, and he has, he has.
The dog has his own, his ownpage too.
It's at, uh, sirvalentino.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh, SirValentino, huh , Fancy dog man.
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I love that dog Right on.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Thank you for your feedback.
What are they saying?
What did Lamar say?
And then what did the?
What was the other gentleman'sname, uriel Uriel.
Give me a little breakdown.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah.
So, uriel, again, they listenedto it, they checked everything
out and he said I like the.
Uriel said specifically, I likethe loose script and he likes
that we're including thelisteners so far.
So I just hope we keep gettingbetter and better at doing that.
(04:02):
Yeah, yeah I feel like the moregetting better and better at
doing that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like the more tight we get, the
more uncomfortable we get.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's just like a pair of jeans.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know what I'm saying?
That's right.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
We want to keep them loose so we can breathe.
And then the shout out to Lamarthat came from he just said
loving the content so far.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The audio.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
He brought the audio.
We're always trying to work onthat, um, hopefully, hopefully
it keeps that continues to getbetter as well.
Um is our, it's our technicalknowledge, um, and he actually
he had a.
Yeah, I'm glad you brought thisup.
He had a question.
He goes uh, I, I think it wouldbe dope to hear more about the
(04:44):
most fascinating tattoos youhave ever done, or the most
bizarre.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I know you got a story for that.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh, story time.
Okay, I was tattooing this deaflady one time.
We were communicating all onnotepad, which was different,
right?
So there's a lot of lost intranslation type moments, and
I'm not a signer or ASL whiz oranything like that.
Shout out to the ones that are.
And we were doing a tattoo as apraying mantis on her foot.
As I'm doing the tattoo, youknow, she's kind of getting a
(05:15):
little bit antsy and stuff likethat.
She's also talking to gentlemenon FaceTime, talking to them,
signing to them on FaceTime, andI'm like, oh, OK, I write down
what are you doing.
Because there's like five guyson there, you know.
And I was like, okay, what isit you're doing?
And she was like oh, you know,I'm living my life.
And I was like well, what doesthat mean, you know?
(05:42):
And she's like well, I'mpreparing for a gangbang and
that's number seven.
And I'm like what?
She's like, yeah, I have aterminal illness.
And she was lining dudes up andshe was getting ready to go
have a little fun.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh, she was talking about that bucket list.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
hard yeah yeah, that's not even the messed up
story.
So I'm tattooing this lady andI'm praying mantis on her foot.
She came in with sandals andshe's sitting with one of her
legs under her knees and theother leg is towards me and
obviously we're not talking toeach other.
But she's feeling comfortable,she's in her little zone on
FaceTime and stuff like that,and she starts picking at her
feet.
I'm not necessarily a big footperson, so, like you,
(06:13):
immediately, I'm immediatelystaring at you a little bit with
some not kind eyes and she'sgoing and she starts picking at
her feet.
She starts picking at her feetand I look up.
She grabs and she startspicking at her feet.
She starts picking at her feetand I look up.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
She grabs a piece of skin and puts it in her mouth
and starts eating it.
Okay, that's a lot.
Yeah, that's a lot to handle.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I mean, there's a tattoo story for you.
Yeah, I think that hit all theblocks.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Lamar, I think one story that one's for you.
Lamar, you hit everything youwere looking for, bro.
Yeah yeah, son of a gun.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So that was an interesting one.
I understand people getcomfortable and they pick at
things and you think you're athome and that is the idea is to
keep you comfortable, but notthat comfortable.
That's real comfortable.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, that's too comfortable.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So long story short, don't go in there and pick it at
your feet and eat your deadskin off your toes.
That's nasty.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, that that's nasty.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, that's not actually I'm so I'm gonna take a
quick look at the.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I'm gonna see how's that story.
I asked her.
I started I was like I get up,let me see.
I'm gonna stop and see if wegot any questions coming yeah,
joy.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Uh, when do you think you will have your first guest?
And we've been going back andforth on first guests.
What tone we're going to setwith the first guests.
If we're shitting on anybody bybringing in certain guests,
that makes them not want to comein after we have our first
guest, but very soon.
Here we kind of really wantedto get all the kinks out before
(07:40):
we bring somebody in into ourworld.
We don't want to look foolishin any way and we want to
definitely come off as aprofessional and get a good
story across.
So as soon as we're able tobring the right individual in
who fits to the podcast and thedemographic of what it is, man,
we're going to have them inthere real soon.
(08:00):
The only I think I guess thebiggest thing is like we just
there's a lot of people we wantto bring in for you guys.
We have a great list ofindividuals that will be
interviewing for you guys Sometattoo owners, some military
vets, some from the dog world,some artists outside of
tattooing, but individuals thatwere huge in me and Zach's world
(08:25):
, some that helped me with mineand some that helped him with
his.
So those are the types ofindividuals we'll be bringing on
.
We don't know who the first oneis going to be yet.
And that first one man, it'sgoing to be exciting, because
we're definitely excited for ittoo.
We know that you guys justdon't want me and zach the whole
time, even though it should beenough.
(08:48):
No, I'm just kidding, it shouldbe enough and honestly,
ultimately, we still want itrevolving around our goal.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We still want to be promoting uh health and wellness
, correct uh and as it functionsin our, in our daily lives, uh,
so so we also want our guestsuh to to be to be centered
around that as well.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So I would say, within the next two episodes you
would see a guest.
Maybe probably the next one youmight see a guest on here or an
interview.
Um, and we're really excitedabout that and thank you for
your question.
For whoever that, was.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Thank you, thank you everyone, everyone that's
joining right now.
If everybody hears me, ok, Ihope everybody hears me, ok,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Give a thumbs up if you hear us.
Yeah, if everything sounds goodon that end and we do want to
use you guys today for today'sepisode.
Today's episode is Overtone isa little bit of social media and
we've been kind of diving intoit.
Social media is huge in myworld.
As a tattooer, I use it topromote my business.
It being one of the freeplatforms to promote a business
(09:53):
on is really really nice.
Tiktok is not necessarily mything, yet Instagram is my main
form of how I promote mybusiness.
But with that there is adownside.
You know you got your haters.
You got your friends that don'tlike nothing.
You got people who just want tobe in your business and time
(10:17):
bandits people who just want totake your time and ask questions
and stuff like that.
So we're talking about thepositives and the negatives of
social media today and we reallywant to bring you guys in to
help develop the conversationthat we're having.
We're trying a new format todayso, you know, be patient with
us, as always, and if you haveany questions, please feel free
(10:39):
to rifle them off now and wewill tap in and we will answer
those questions to the best ofour ability.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
So I'll pitch a question to you right now.
Okay, Even though you usesocial media for a positive
aspect to promote your business,as well as what we're doing for
the podcast we're podcasting,we're promoting on social media
Do you see social media as anegative thing?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
No, I don't see it as a negative thing as far as my
business, but I do see it as anegative thing that I have to
keep going in order to berelevant forms of business that
you really don't necessarilywant to do all the time.
But it is pivotal as a tattooartist that you show your work
(11:29):
and have that online portfolioor museum that best depicts your
work.
I enjoy certain aspects of it,but it is forever changing.
You know, I guess my attitudechanges towards social media.
If I'm not doing as good, thenI'm on my social media, or not
(11:51):
as good as as busy.
If I'm not as busy, then I'mgoing to promote on social media
a little bit more.
But it's also important not tojust, as a tattooist, focus on
social media.
So there is that gift and acurse thing media.
So there is that gift and acurse thing Ways that it's good
is I get to meet clientelewithout having to go to an event
and give out business cards andstuff like that.
It's a great tool for yourstarting business because you
(12:15):
can get immediate interactionbetween the client or the
consumer and the tattooer.
So it just creates this windowthat anybody can follow through.
You don't have to be open atnine o'clock.
You're always open on theinternet so they could always
tap in.
The negative sides of it is thatpeople think that they could
(12:37):
just text you whenever and get aresponse, or, you know, they
feel like they're the mostimportant one when they send a
message.
I mean, you know, yes, you areimportant, but there's also
hundreds of people that text andDM and stuff like that and it
does become somewhat monotonousa little bit.
And that doesn't mean I wanty'all to stop.
Continue to send me messagesand help me develop my craft and
(12:59):
support Be May Ink as well asthis podcast, but I definitely
found it, you know.
That's.
The drawbacks for me is thatpeople attach an emotion to a
software which I find a littlebit weird.
You know what I mean.
It's like oh, you unfollowed me.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh man, you're you know I've hadpeople go off on me because I
(13:20):
don't follow them.
And if I don't follow you, it'sbecause I don't support what it
is that you're doing anymore.
It's not a direct inclinationof who you are as a person, it's
just I don't want you in mynewspaper.
I look at Instagram as anewspaper, a magazine that I
read, and every once in a whileyou get those ads that you rip
out, you know, or thosepamphlets to buy another
(13:41):
magazine.
I it is my choice.
You know what I mean.
I don't like the aspects ofhaving to or the pressure of
promoting people.
Sometimes I'll do a tattoo,right, and I don't always get
good pictures of the tattoos,but people will be like oh, you
(14:01):
didn't post my tattoo, whydidn't you post my tattoo?
And it's just like well, I'vegot a shitty picture of it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
You know what I mean, and it doesn't really promote
the business the best right now.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, the tattoo looks solid, know what I mean and it
doesn't really promote thebusiness the best right now.
Yes, the tattoo looks solid,but or if it's a tattoo that you
like and it doesn't do anythingfor me artistically, it's not
necessarily something that I'mgoing to put at the forefront of
my business.
You know what I mean.
So those are a few of thedrawbacks of social media and
stuff.
I find them triggeringsometimes.
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I mean.
So the main takeaway from thatis it's not you, it's it's not,
it's not the other person, it'snot you, it's it's me.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I would just say, like, if
you're trying to get to yourartist and he's not getting back
to you and stuff like that, itcould be you, it could be that
you're getting at him wrong, itcould be that your your words
don't translate and you could bebugging him.
I hear this all the time.
Oh, he won't respond to mymessages.
Not necessarily me, but fromother people who come and get
(14:58):
tattooed from me, which they'llbe like oh, you weren't the
first person I hit up and I'mlike oh, thanks.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I wonder why the other guy?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
didn't hit you up.
But they come to me and they'relike oh, you know, this guy
didn't hit me up and immediatelythrough your conversation I
could tell why he didn't hit youup.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I always ask the questions like well, what did
you do?
Did you piss him off?
You know, because artists arechill man, you know, tattooing
is hard.
We're trying to salvageeverything.
You know we want to work withyou, but there are just those
certain people that don't fit in.
And social media is a good wayof kind of filtering that out.
You know you can getconsultations on social media.
(15:39):
Now they have a FaceTimeportion to the app.
I will use that to say I'mtattooing somebody out of state
and we need a consultation.
I'll use Instagram for areference or for a hub for us to
have these meetings and stufflike that or what.
(16:00):
Ok, one thing that's reallyreally good about social media
is the amount of art that youcan see within a minute.
You know what I mean.
Like oh my gosh, there's justso many amazing artists out
there.
You're like, oh my gosh,there's just so many amazing
artists out there.
You know, then, and it'stailored to your liking, just
like when you talk to someone,it pops up on your algorithm,
right?
So I really enjoy that aspectof social media is that it is
(16:22):
tailored to my liking.
You know, as far as what it isthat I get to view on a daily
basis, and I really like thatbecause it allows me to be in
Italy basis.
And I really like that becauseit allows me to be in Italy.
It allows me to be in Irelandor wherever else I'm, you know,
at two o'clock in the morningwhile I'm looking at other
people's art, you know.
So it's definitely a cool toolto for research and to check the
(16:45):
tone of the world and to seewhere the art is at.
You can see if people are busy,if they're not busy and what
people are tapping into.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You said something and I'm going to take off on
that, so I've been doing thesocial media for the podcast
page to try and get some of theburden off you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You're already running a business page, as well
as a studio page.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Correct, so I decided to just take it for a week.
So we business page as well ashis studio page, correct, so I
decided I'll just take it for aweek.
So a week We've been live for aweek too.
Yeah so that's something worthcelebrating.
Thank you, thank you foreverybody.
We're at just under 150downloads and that's huge for us
.
The support has been huge.
(17:30):
But so one thing triggered me.
I went a little wild onInstagram and Instagram shut me
down.
Yeah yeah, I learned some rules.
So if you don't know this as abusiness, don't worry, I did the
research.
It's anywhere between 200 and250 follows is the limit per day
(17:57):
.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Only so much positivity in one day.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Exactly.
Otherwise, they think you're abot.
So no, instagram, I'm not a bot, just trying to just try to
promote something.
So if you haven't been followedback, or if you're feeling a
(18:23):
certain type of way because Ididn't like back your comment or
I didn't, I didn't respond tosomething that you thought I
would respond to this this week,I do have an excuse and that's
because Instagram did limit thepodcast account.
Now this brings me intosomething.
I'm a personal story betweenthe two of us.
I triggered Brandon's artisticstyle towards his brand.
(18:46):
I was triggered, y'all yeah andI threw I won't even say what
it was, but I threw something.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Say it yeah, and I threw.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I won't even say what it was, but I threw something.
Say it, okay.
So I threw a post up from InkedMag and, just without even
thinking about it, I just gotdone with the workout.
I wanted to communicate withour audience.
I wanted to get someinteraction, throw a question
out there and I asked iftattooers need to be tattooed
and had a yes, yes or noquestion underneath.
(19:14):
However, I did not payattention to any of the colors,
any of the size, and I want youto know this is why I get
tattooed by this man right here.
So, even though it turned out,it was kind of an interesting
(19:34):
interaction.
Oh yeah, I came in, came in hot.
I felt rubbed the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, yeah, we had our first blowout.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, our first podcast fight.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it ended up turning out good
and it made me real.
This is, this is exactly why Iget tattooed by this man.
This is why, um, I trust him.
Uh, he's, he's so detailoriented uh it'll blow your mind
.
If you, if you, if you havetattoos by him, or if you've
ever gotten tattooed by him uh,thank you for this this is why I
(20:07):
continue.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
This is why I continue thank you yeah yeah,
and you know so, and from my end.
I was at home, I was in thekitchen and I I saw you're
cooking for the kids.
You, yeah, yeah, and you knowso, and from my end, I was at
home, I was in the kitchen and II saw you're cooking for the
kids.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the kids, and it came off
and real nice at first.
Yeah, then it went south realfast yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
So, and I'm one of those people.
I'm a direct line communicator,you know, um, as soon as I'm
feeling it, I would like to talkto the individual while it's
hot, you know, just so I canhonor my emotions.
You know what I mean, andsometimes that's a good thing
and sometimes that's a bad thing.
We I talked about in previousepisodes of how I start hot, but
I need to start a little bit atmedium.
(20:43):
Well, on this day, I started alittle bit high.
I wasn't angry, but I waspassionate about what it is that
I believed in.
As far as the overall tone forInstagram and messages Me being
a coil tattooer the picture wasof a tattooer with a wand and
(21:04):
Ink Mag is a well-respectedmagazine, but for me, it's one
of those taboo magazines that Ifeel like Go ahead, but for me,
it's one of those taboomagazines that I feel like Go
ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, what you had said to me was they are notable
for for getting crazydiscussions.
Yeah, like they try to pulldiscussions from whatever corner
Correct Of the tattoo world.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, it's a.
It's a little bit gimmicky, youknow what I mean, as far as,
like, they're just looking forclickbait and looking for the
next big thing to promote sothat they can bring longevity to
their magazine.
Fine by them.
But for the tattooers, and howI was raised in my tattoo
history and my apprenticeshipand stuff like that, I don't
necessarily jive with a lot ofthe topics that they're coming
(21:45):
up with and I find them a littlebit intrusive or damaging to to
the industry and more.
For they want selfish clicks,you know, and because we you
know Zach is running themarketing and stuff like that,
you know it was 100 percentneeded a conversation we had.
We needed to have aconversation so that we could
(22:06):
get on the same page of what itis that, what our brand is and
how we should promote ourselvesand and promote within a certain
format.
And you know, after a littleheated argument and then a long
break throughout the day, weended up catching up with each
other in the evening and wehashed all this stuff out, um,
which was good, and I feel likewe got a lot out of that
(22:28):
interaction.
So it was a necessary evil, iswhat I would call that.
Absolutely Nothing againstanything that he was doing, but
10 years within the tattooindustry, I've kind of created a
tone for myself and, you know,if it just doesn't fit for me,
(22:50):
then I have to be real with himand bring it up.
You know, and that, and that'swhat I did.
A lot of the reasons I was hotis because I was.
It came straight from theInstagram and I'll tell you it
was maybe 10, 15 seconds later.
I called him and I was like yo,what the fuck was that, you
know?
And he was like what the fuckyou be with?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It wasn't on brand.
Let's just say it wasn't onbrand for VMA Inc or B2Z Podcast
.
The color scheme was off.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, we would like to create an overtone.
Yeah, we want to create anovertone for you guys.
And it's not that he was doinganything wrong.
It's just that we're adifferent type of tattoo brand
than what it was that he waspromoting.
You know, I think I said thatthe ad looked a little bit more
like.
If you don't read the verbiage,then it looks like a chick
(23:41):
doing permanent makeup.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Right, something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And then you know and he was like well, read it, you
know what I mean Like that'swhere we differed, but
nonetheless we had an issue.
We came together.
You know what I mean.
Like that's where we differed,but nonetheless we had an issue.
We came together, you know whatI mean, and we defused that
issue, solved it within a dayWithin a day, and jumped back on
the project.
And now we're better for that.
So if you guys got issues, mandon't hold that shit in.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You don't see any questions on there.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Let's see what we got questions on there.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, no questions.
If you guys have any uhquestions about social media or
any entertaining things that youcan help develop this story,
please chime in.
Uh, we're willing to take somequestions now.
Um, is there been anything onthe internet that has triggered
you from um zach, you can answerthis question first and then
we'll give you guys a second tokind of type something in.
We'd like to know whattriggered you as well.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Go ahead, give me something that triggered you
besides me the other day callingyou uh, well, after, after
learning, uh, that instagram is,uh, very watchful on sites, and
that's that all has to do withalgorithms that they're
utilizing, I was able to justrelax, relax, relax and let it
(25:02):
happen.
And April 1st is our, is ourbig comeback, relaunch day,
where I should have full controlcontrol of of Instagram.
I think our shadow band willend.
So, not something thattriggered me, but something I
learned.
We weren't, I felt, comfortablein being on as many directories
(25:31):
as possible, but we weremissing one.
We were missing Pandora, andPandora is also a big site, yeah
, big music app.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So we got that listed as well last night.
So we're just taking things onthe chin, taking hits on the
chin, learning something new.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I got a question.
What you got Is it taboo tolike another woman's photos if
you're in a relationship?
And if it's not, then when doesit become taboo?
What is that line, thatimaginary line that your woman's
like hold up?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
that's too much.
Do I think there is ever aproblem with it?
Yes, no, I actually don't thinkthere's ever a problem with it.
But I'm a liker man.
It doesn't take a lot for me tolike something.
I'm very free with my likes.
If something just hits me theright way, I'm all about it,
(26:36):
even if that's the curve of awoman's life.
Sorry, but yeah, if you're in arelationship should you have
respect for the person you'redating, absolutely.
That person should have respectfor themselves and bring it up
to you.
I like confrontation In arelationship.
Maybe that's where some of myrelationships failed.
It was not enough confrontation, but I do.
(26:59):
I bring the heat.
I feel like you have adifferent view on this, so
what's your view on the samequestion?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay.
Do you think it's wrong?
I think it's wrong if I'mhurting my lady's feelings.
Yes, but do they have to bringthat to your attention?
Do I personally think it'swrong?
I think it's wrong if I'mhurting my lady's feelings.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yes, but do they have to bring that to your attention
, but do I?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
personally think it's wrong.
No, okay, I consider it to belike going to a car show and
then seeing a nice car and belike, ooh, I like that.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yes, yeah, yeah, you know you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Just because I'm in a relationship doesn't stop me
from recognizing beauty.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Just I'm in a relationship doesn't stop me
from recognizing beauty Justbecause I have a car.
Just because I got a carDoesn't mean I can't recognize
somebody else's car for thebeauty that it is.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Now, if I'm up at two o'clock in the morning yes,
Looking at ass and liking stuffthen I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know what I mean.
That's overindulging, I feellike, yes, but if it's somebody
like, say, it's model, okay, andI've known them for years and
they take scandally clad photosor whatever, I'm still going to
continue to like those justbecause of the relationship that
I've dealt.
You know I'm supporting yourbusiness.
If your brand is ass, thenwhatever.
(28:03):
You know and I enjoy you as ahuman being, then I'll probably
just I'll like it, you know.
But if my lady were to be like,are you doing too much?
Like I wouldn't say that she'swrong, you know, because I've
made her feel a certain type ofway.
But that's a conversation to behad, that is a conversation to
be had.
And for me I just I, I guess Ilimit my likes to stuff like
(28:27):
that.
I don't, I'm not going to likeno ass, you know, unless I know
that person and what it is thatthey're doing.
Um, if I don't know them andI'm like an ass, then it's like
okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You're actively searching for a little bit of a
piece of shit, so so so I I knowit's a, it's a, it's cliche,
but I feel like this rounds outour social media Too much of a
good thing is bad.
Yeah, or too much of anythingcan be bad, so so yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Too much of people do this all the time, Venting on
the internet about theirrelationships.
I know when you guys havebroken up because you got a
little quote saying oh, theriver runs over the rocks and
I'll be better tomorrow orsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
It's an aspirational thing.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
How do you feel about people communicating their
negative things in their liveson social media?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I feel that's free therapy.
It's free therapy, yeah, Ifthey feel comfortable and
vulnerable enough to put itonline.
But then you're depends on howmuch you put online.
If you just put enough to getattention, then maybe you
shouldn't be just trying to getattention.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Right and okay.
I guess.
The question is now how wouldyou feel from the other side of
it too?
You're in a relationship, thisrelationship crumbles and you
are seen as the asshole, andshe's on the internet talking
about.
Zach ain't shit, fuck him.
He wasn't shit, ain't nevergoing to be shit.
Do you still feel the same way?
(29:59):
Is that still free?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
therapy or you're like hold on, it's still free
therapy.
Obviously, she's sayingsomething.
She's got to get it off herchest.
Mm-hmm, All right off her chest.
Who might have tell her?
Tell her, tell her.
No, Obviously there was anissue with the relationship if
we couldn't have thatcommunication in private, Right,
Right.
So if she feels the need, sheneeds to put it, then that
relationship was doomed to failin the beginning.
(30:20):
Yeah it could be right it couldbe.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I personally don't want my significant other going
to social media to express ourdifferences or our failures.
You know, what I mean.
I'd like my failures to be tohappen in the private.
Yeah, obviously I don't get achoice in what other people do,
(30:44):
but I've never had anybody dothat to me.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I feel, I feel like that's a good, a good spot to
round us out at.
Yeah, if we're doing good,let's give it a quick check and
then we'll be ready for ourroundup.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We're looking good.
We're looking good.
We're looking good, noquestions.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Sorry that pause was us looking at social media, the
topic of today's post.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Hey, what's up, Jay A ?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
lot of love.
We're getting shown a lot oflove right now.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Jay, how do you feel about social media and being
outed in relationships orputting your significant other
on your page?
Do you ever get pressed?
Chime in you guys, chime inFrank, chime in.
Ask a question about socialmedia that we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
So for our roundup today, I found I got two quotes.
Is that all right?
Yeah, go for it.
They both have to do withpassion.
I feel like passion was thetopic of the week, not just
today's episode.
What do you think?
Yeah, you like passion.
Yeah.
So I have one from OprahWinfrey.
(32:03):
She said passion is energy.
Feel the power that comes fromfocusing on what excites you.
I felt that this week I feltsome power and I also have one
that I feel.
That's why the second one camein.
It's from Vincent Van Gogh.
He said I would rather die ofpassion than of boredom.
(32:24):
Two, two, two.
I decided to make a two for onespecial here.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I got a question.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I got a question.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
We'll remain anonymous, just because I don't
want to get you guys in trouble.
Okay, women request you havetheir name in their bio.
Oh, so is that protocol forrelationships?
Now, if you were in arelationship, does your lady
need to be within that littlebio section saying, hey, married
(33:01):
in a relationship, with the tagor the ad in it?
Um, for me, no, I don't feellike it's, because that's my
chain page, that's my channel.
You know what I mean.
It's a very it's not a superpersonal channel, but I also
don't want everybody to be ableto get close to me like that.
(33:23):
You know, yes, I want you toknow certain aspects of me, but
I don't want you to know who mylady is, because I got people
that necessarily don't care forme.
Or, and if there are a lot ofprivate things about me, but the
most private thing it would bemy family.
You know what I mean, and soI'm going to say no on that one.
I don't think you got to putthem on there at all.
(33:44):
So if she's stressing you outabout that, don't put her on
there, because it's your page.
She could put it on hers.
Be with the answers for you.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, that was good, and to caveat off that I never
have.
Yeah, yeah, I never felt theneed to, so I never have.
I never even thought about it.
But yeah, thanks for thequestion.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Jay says I keep my relationship private.
It's been an amazing.
It's been an amazing.
It's been an amazing.
I tattooed Jay there BaltimoreI believe from Baltimore and him
and his lady have flown in andthey came and got tattoos Solid,
both of them Super solid andthey have a strong, strong
relationship.
(34:25):
He's also got a pretty good webpresence as well.
It's a J-A-Y-Y underscore,h-v-s-t-l.
So if you guys want to give Jaya follow, he's man, that dude
could dress man, he got fashionand all that stuff on lock.
He's a good dude, too Greatstory.
I prefer to keep my privatestoo, jay, I like privacy.
(34:47):
I feel like the less opinions Ican get upon my relationship,
especially when I'm goingthrough something, the better
off we are, and that's me and mylady Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Too many cooks in the kitchen right.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, we all know when you get into an argument
and your lady leaves and she'sbeen talking to her punk-ass
friend and she comes backregurgitating all her stuff,
don't we hate that?
Yeah too, man.
So like we know when y'alldoing that, we know when you're
doing it.
It's not you coming, we knowwhat you were saying.
(35:22):
You coming back with whatsomebody else would say, and we
don't want your friend's opinionupon our relationship.
We want yours, we want yours,we want yours.
I feel like a lot ofrelationships would be better if
people were just brutallyhonest, brutally honest.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Well, I think that was a pretty successful episode.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, man.
How about you?
Is that a half an hour already?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
We're over a half hour Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Listen to that, guys.
Yeah, so I was keeping our timein check.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, if you're ready to sign off man, I'm ready to
sign off.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Thank you guys for listening.
Thank you for the feedback.
Thank you for all thesubscribers that we've got from
the start.
Thank you for all the ones thatare coming.
Please promote us.
Please feel free to tap in.
We're part of the community.
We're not away from you guys.
We want you guys to be a biggerpart of this.
So thank you for everybodywho's commented, and come to
Zach as far as having an opinion.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
We really appreciate that guys, and for today, we
love it, we love the feedback.
Again to reiterate, and if youliked what we did today, let us
know and we'll try and make ithappen again.
But, yes, more to reiterate,and if you liked what we did
today, let us know and we'll tryand make it happen again.
But yes, more to come.
Guests coming soon.
Guests coming soon and there'sgoing to be a new episode.
(36:37):
This episode will be availablein a week and a half and we have
a brand new episode dropping onMonday, along with some, some
other clips, because we weactually we actually videotaped
the last episode.
We posted some of that up lateryeah, we did videotape it came
out good so, yeah, much love toeverybody.
(37:01):
Thank you, thanks, guys.
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