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📚 Summary

In this conversation, Julia Rene discusses the concept of personal power, emphasizing the importance of making choices that align with one's true self. The discussion explores the journey of self-discovery through bodybuilding, the significance of radical responsibility, and the necessity of being present in one's life. Julia shares her experiences of overcoming feelings of powerlessness and the continuous process of choosing oneself, while also addressing the challenges and growth that come with these choices. The conversation highlights the transformative power of presence and the importance of not giving up on one's goals, encouraging listeners to embrace discomfort as a pathway to empowerment.


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🤓 Takeaways

  • Personal power comes from making conscious choices.
  • Knowing your power is an ongoing process, not a destination.
  • Radical responsibility involves acknowledging your role in your life circumstances.
  • Choosing yourself is the most powerful decision you can make.
  • Bodybuilding can be a transformative journey of self-discovery.
  • Presence in the moment is crucial for personal growth.
  • Discomfort often leads to the most significant breakthroughs.
  • You can evolve at a quicker rate when you take responsibility for your choices.
  • Chipping away at your goals is a gradual process that requires persistence.
  • Your past experiences shape your current choices and identity.


⌛ Chapters

00:00 Babe Philosophy Offers

01:22 Introduction to Power & Personal Journeys

04:17 Understanding Power: A Personal Perspective

07:03 Choosing Power: The Ongoing Journey

12:10 Radical Responsibility: The Flip Side of Power

19:49 Choosing Yourself: The Foundation of Power

26:42 Bodybuilding: Power, Choices, and Personal Growth

31:08 Embracing Discomfort for Growth

34:05 The Power of Self-Discovery

37:11 Transforming Pain into Power

40:16 Catalysts for Change

43:16 Choosing Yourself: The First Steps

48:00 The Journey of Persistence

51:45 The Beauty of the Liminal Space

54:39 Choosing Presence Over Perfection

55:59 Outro


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(01:28):
matter more than answers, where liminal spaces are revered, and
where magic is practical. We are your hosts, Mellie Wolf,
and live wickedly. What the fuck is up?

(01:49):
Welcome to Bay philosophy. I am personally in my own little
version of heaven because we have one of my favorite, most
bestiest friends, Julia Renee onthe show and then my other
bestiest favorite woman friend in the world, Nelly.
I get to be with my favorite ladies on the show.
Yay. And I'm so, so, so excited to

(02:10):
have Julia on the show. We're going to talk about what
it means to know your power. And I have watched this woman
literally go from hi, I'm a tinylittle woman and I don't know
what's going on in my life, to literally becoming a massive
influencer, a pro bodybuilder. She holds retreats for women
that I had the privilege of speaking at last weekend.
She has been responsible for I don't know how many clients

(02:32):
coming to me. I was inspired by Julia.
And then I saw you on her page. A lot of the women in my women's
group actually come through Julia.
She is a massive inspiration. She is literally walking power
and I'm really excited to talk to her about her journey there
and what that means and why she chose that to be her whole
freaking brand. So if you're down, Bebe, could

(02:54):
you just let us know a little bit about yourself And yeah,
share, share with people who youis?
Yes, thanks for the intro. I think everyone needs an intro
like that every once in a while as like a reminder of, you know,
how powerful they really are. So thank you.
I'm happy to be here. My name is Julia Renee.
I'm an IFBB Wellness Pro, owner of Know Your Power, content

(03:18):
creator, podcaster, YouTube, allof the things.
But that's me. Yeah, that's her.
She's on all the platforms. We'll have all our links if you
want to check her out. So we are starting with the
overall question of what does itmean to know your power?
And when I think about that question just in general, like

(03:38):
abstractly in my whole life, I always get down to the like,
what is what is what is even power?
Like when we're saying this wordpower, there's like the the
first idea I have is the conditioned idea of authority
over other people. You are powerful if you have
money, you are powerful if you have status.
You are powerful if you have a job status.
That's like a lot of what I grewup with.
And I feel like you're talking about it in such a distinctly

(04:01):
different context. It would be really great to hear
like, what has power been for you?
And it doesn't have to be like asolid definition.
It could just be your experienceof it, how you've come to know
it and yourself. But like, what would you say
power is when we're talking about it in this context?
I think for me, the Know Your Power brand has actually come

(04:22):
from a place of feeling completely powerless to my life.
So I know that we like to stay kind of like the swing to the
left is a swing to the right. So in my place of feeling like I
was powerless to the job that I had, the relationship, the way
that I felt about myself at thatcertain point in my life, I kept

(04:44):
thinking like, is this really it?
Is this how my life is going to be?
And I felt really powerless. I felt like I, I couldn't do
anything about it, that I had tostay at that job because that's
what was, you know, expected of me.
That's what I chose to do. I can't back out now.
That would be embarrassing, right?
I need to stay in this relationship that's not serving

(05:05):
me because, you know, my mom anddad, they really like him.
They want me to marry him, but I'm unhappy, you know, stay at
this job that I absolutely hate and I don't want to drive there
every single day. I felt like I couldn't do
anything about it. And this is just the life that I
was going to live. So knowing your power came from
a place of feeling like I was powerless to my life.

(05:27):
And the one thing I like to tellthe girls either at the retreats
or you in my coaching program, I'm like knowing your power
isn't like this like moment where you have the key, like you
have it figured out and you're like, finally, there's this
missing link. It's something that you're going
to have to continuously choose into time and time again.

(05:51):
So I feel like that first initial moment for me of really
feeling powerful was realizing that I had the choice to choose
something different. And then after that, I just kept
making other choices like that. And I think it was only until
maybe this year with everything that has happened in my personal

(06:11):
life, where I realized that, oh,I think I knew that this was
going to be an ongoing thing, but I really got to experience
it again where I knew that I waspowerful.
I knew that I could create whatever I wanted to in my life.
But after the stuff that happened in my personal life

(06:34):
this past year, I kind of lost that a little bit where I didn't
feel as powerful as I used to. And I got a little complacent
and I had to choose in again. And that was my realization
where I was like, oh, I'm gonna have to continue to step into my
power again and again and again and again.

(06:57):
And you know, that could be messy and uncomfortable, but
it's the kind of work that I really enjoy doing.
Good story, love that and so relatable too.
I feel like that's the process that I just recently went
through and I think Liv can probably relate too that.

(07:18):
Like the same. Yeah, that she's recently in as
well and I it's just it's such aa scary and like trust fall time
in life and I feel like a lot oftimes people don't do what
you're saying like the choosing over and over and over again.

(07:41):
It's like we kind of make the choice and then maybe fall back
on it or maybe feel like it's a bad idea or maybe feel like it's
too much to hold or maybe, you know, whatever.
We break up with a boyfriend, but then he comes back in our
DMS like 2 weeks later and it's like, I would love to hear how

(08:01):
you, like you said, choose in. Like I'd love you to like expand
on what it means to choose in and how to find that power to do
so and what that looks like. I think for me, it's definitely
an intuitive feeling that I get when I have to go after that
thing. So typically the things that are

(08:24):
scary for me in the past, it wasscary.
That means I have, that means I have to avoid it, right?
It's our, it's human nature. Like, oh, it's scary, it's
dangerous, you know, I'm not going to go after that thing.
But now fear is almost like a marker for me, a positive marker
where I'm scared to leave this relationship like I but there's

(08:48):
something in me that's been saying.
You know something's not. Right.
It's that little feeling. Is your intuition that little
maybe we need to do something different and especially if it
happens over and over again. I mean, that's definitely it.
So now if I feel that fear like bubbling up when I need to leave

(09:13):
a relationship or there's a opportunity in business that I
need to take, or it's like a brand thing, or it's a trip that
I need to go on. Or if it's even just something
that I need to say and I get a little scared.
Like I instead of getting scaredof being scared, I kind of lean
into it now and I'm like, that means you gotta go do.

(09:34):
It. So then I choose in and every
time that I have done that had that little intuitive feeling,
got a little scared, fearful, then chosen it is like 99.9% of
the time always worked out in myfavor.

(09:55):
And I'm a firm believer that when you do listen to, you know,
God, the universe, your intuition, whatever you want to
call it, that calling you are rewarded for that.
It's like good job you played the game right and you're I love
that everything that you've everwanted.
That's so good. I love, I love the like there's

(10:17):
almost like a essence of like gamification going on where it's
like you get like this little ping of fear and that's like the
signal to play the game and you have to play your cards and
like, that's what mean. Like that's the sign that means
you have to like do the thing and then you like do your move
and then it's like the universe rewards you and you win.

(10:37):
Yay, I really like. You mentioned that.
I love that. You mentioned that because I do
that with everything. I'm in competition with
everything, everybody at all thetimes.
And in the sense of like, I'm not like next to a girl at the
gym and I'm trying to be like, I'm not, I'm not that kind of
person. But I gamify things because I

(11:01):
know that I'm very competitive, like within myself, like wanting
to beat past versions of me. So I will gamify things and it
really does help in those situations.
So thanks for saying that. No, and I think that it also
kind of takes the weight off of the severity of the experience,
right? It's like you're not going into

(11:21):
it being like, this is my whole life on the line.
It almost gives it like this lighter essence of like, OK,
like let's play this game. Like I'm gonna play this game.
I'm gonna choose in even to likechoose in.
It's making me think of like, put me in coach, you know, it's
like. Yes.
Yeah, I love that. That's awesome.
Thank you. That's great.

(11:43):
I'm really, really digging that You've kind of just like laid
this foundation in this root that ultimately power lies in
your choices, right? And so then, I mean, even just
thinking about, I mean, literally, when you were talking
about your most recent experience and like, feeling
that loss of power, you know, Mellie and I were going through
around the same time as you, very similar experiences in our

(12:06):
own personal life and having to take a really hard look at our
choices. Because on the flip side of my
choices got me this reward, got me this thing.
I'm leaning into the fears. And now I have all this success.
Your choices also get you, you know, dumped, hurt, fired,
evicted, whatever it might be. Your choices may have gotten you

(12:27):
sciatica for two years. So when you're when you're in
the face of those and looking atthe results of those choices,
what would you say your relationship is to like getting
back to fear, feeling powerful in recognizing, oh, those
choices. I also am responsible for this
over here. I'm responsible for feeling
powerless right now. This didn't happen to me.
It feels like it does. But if I know that my choices

(12:49):
are my power, oops. What did I do over here?
Yeah. What is your just?
What would you say to people about that part of the
experience, the like flip side of it?
Yes, just like I can choose to live in my power and have a life
that I have always wanted, but Ican also choose, you know, to be

(13:11):
miserable. And that is definitely a harder
pill to swallow because it involves taking radical
accountability for what your life is or isn't.
Like, I feel like the life that you are living right now is, you
know, because of choices that you did or that you didn't make.
And then that's kind of the sum of the life that you're living.

(13:34):
And I think for me, that was a really hard thing to do was to
point the finger at myself. And that's what was difficult
when I first got into the fitness industry because, man,
it was so much easier to blame everybody else, so much easier.
I'm like, it's, you know, it's because of how I was raised.

(13:56):
You know, she has the, you know,the, the resources, the the
attention and, you know, they have more money than I do.
Like that's way easier. But honestly, it was uncomfy to
point the finger at myself, but once I did, that's the only time
that something actually changed.So kind of like what I've done

(14:18):
with fear is like when I do point the finger at myself, and
yes, it does take a lot longer. I've noticed that I can change
and I can evolve at a quicker pace when I do that.
It's like looking yourself dead in the mirror and be like, OK,
you were here for a reason, how did we get here?

(14:38):
And you can start mapping it back.
And for me it was a lot of mapping it back to times where I
just silenced this inner knowing, and that was
frustrating. I hate when I look back and I'm
like fuck, I fucking knew it. Like, I have a distinct memory
and I'm like, Oh my God, I fucking knew it.

(15:00):
And I ignored it and I logic my way out of it.
And even my girlfriends were kind of dropping hints left and
right. And I was like, I'm just going
to do my fucking chaos thing. Oh my God, that's so freaking
funny. OK, I again, like this is, this
is beautiful. You talk about all the time and
you talked about this at your retreat, like radical
responsibility. That's like a way in which you
live your life. And that's something that you,
you preach and teach. And I I'm, I'm feeling like what

(15:22):
you just said right there is essentially the essence of that.
Yeah, Fuck yeah. Radical responsibility.
That is 110 how Mellie and I like to put NAFS on our lives.
Like, we're just like, every time we'll, we'll just like,
literally be in the middle of shit and we'll be like, I know
it's me. I know the problem.
I can't see how I am, but it must be me because it's
happening to me. It's my experience.

(15:43):
I know, right? It's like, like, I mean, who?
Who else? Who?
I can't believe it on my dog. I can't believe it on my cat.
It's like I am sitting here in this chair.
The craziest part of that, though, is like, sometimes it
feels really clear, like who? Like for me, you know, I'll be
like, oh, it's Matt. It's Matt's fault.

(16:04):
Matt's my partner. I'm like, he did this.
He did this to me. Like I can say with 100%
certainty, he did this to me andI'll buy that for, you know,
however long I need to buy that.And then I come to a point where
I realized that that isn't the right story and that that
story's not getting me anywhere.And that ultimately I need to,

(16:27):
like you said, Julia, point the finger at myself for anything to
fucking happen. And I would love to like break
that down for people who are like not understanding this
concept. Because I think a lot of times
people are like, well, I'm not gonna take responsibility for
like my abusive relationship. I'm not gonna take
responsibility for my, my boss firing me or like being sexually

(16:49):
assaulted or like all of these crazy things that can happen to
people. So I'd really love to just like
dive into like, what do we, whatare we actually saying?
Like our because we're not saying to, you know, justify
other people's actions. That's not what's happening
here. What's happening here is taking

(17:10):
responsibility for your life. And I'd love for you to like
elaborate on that a little bit for people who are like, what do
you mean? Because people have done me
wrong And like, how do I take responsibility in that space?
Yeah. And that is like that doesn't
disqualify the negative things that have happened to you.
Like that is very that is very real.
The way that I can explain it, at least with my past

(17:34):
relationship, there is a lot of things that were messed up that
I didn't deserve. And it is very easy to point the
finger at this partner for beingthe reason that everything
imploded. But when I turned the finger
back at myself and I was like, well, what was my role in this?

(17:55):
And it's kind of like a walking back.
How did we get here? You know, I could have simply
chose to leave, but I didn't. I could have listened to my
intuition the first time, but I didn't.
I could have listened to the guidance of friends, but I
didn't. I could have listened to my
intuition the third time, but I didn't.

(18:18):
I could have set boundaries, butI didn't.
I could have been more firm withwhat I expected in a
relationship, but I didn't. I could have expressed my
feelings more and more often, but I didn't.
I could have upholded the boundaries that I did set and
when they were broken, leave, but I didn't.

(18:38):
Amen. Praise Jesus.
Sister speaks for me too. And that's, that's a hard thing
to to do. It is a very, it's not fun.
And I've spent a lot of time like in that not fun place being
like, yeah, Dang it. But like I was saying before,
you can evolve at a quicker rateonce you do that.

(18:59):
And that, you know, that doesn'tdiscount what happened in the
relationship and the things thatreally, really hurt me because
that is very real. But I always had a choice to
leave, to not accept that. But I stayed.
Yeah, yeah. Good reminder.
We always have a choice. Yeah, and this is this is really

(19:22):
making me think of Mellie. And I did an episode a little
while ago because, well, the episode was on.
What does it mean to choose yourself?
And what you're talking about right there, all those places
where you made the choice to stay was actually you not
choosing yourself. And that's the first most
powerful fucking choice we have to figure out how to make is how

(19:43):
to choose ourselves. So when you talk, you were
talking about the beginning of your story.
Your first moment of feeling powerful was actually waking up
and recognizing, oh, I have a choice here.
I can influence changing my life.
I can do something different. That's the first I'm choosing
myself. And I just, I keep, I keep
coming back to this over and over and over again.

(20:04):
I was actually, I almost got into like a mini brawl with
somebody. I mean, not like actually
physically, but like, you know, intellectually.
I have actually have a very intense aversion to physical
violence. I'm not like you.
I don't wrestle people. Oh, yeah.
This, this woman in high school,like wrestled and was really
good at it with all the men. And now she does jiu jitsu and
grapples people. She broke her boob.

(20:25):
I'm like, drop the pin, tell me where they're at.
Yeah, I'm just gonna call you. You can fight people on my
behalf. She's so strong y'all, It's
crazy. And ironically never gotten in a
fight unless it was like wrestling like jiu.
Jitsu, yeah. Sanctioned, yeah.
OK. Well, anyway, I was, I was

(20:46):
getting I was tempted to get into like a brawl with somebody
because I I have this general like high level and and Mellie's
actually like the person who presented this idea to me and it
really just like solidified in my mind this and essentially
comes down to choice, right? But the idea being we don't
technically need anything, right.
So she's like, bring it. We're we're we're 10 Xing the

(21:07):
fuck out of ourselves right now.I'm just gonna say that live.
So everybody knows the universe knows we're 10 Xing right now.
And in a year this is gonna be massive and blown the fuck up.
And so we're getting into those mindsets and we're shifting and
aligning to all of those things.And so I really sat with like, I
don't need anything, right? And I, I sat with that.
And of course my human experience is like, well, my
body needs food and I need oxygen and I need to shower and

(21:30):
I need money to pay for it. And I'm going through all the
things and I realized I only perceive I need those things if
I have attachments to having them.
Meaning like I feel desperation to have them attachment being
like I'm so stuck to them. I have to have them to stay
alive, right? Which is a lot of the energy
that was in my previous relationship.
I have to have this relationship.

(21:50):
I have to have his approval. I have to have his attention,
right? I love him, so I have to.
And the the more and more I stepback and this is like super,
super, super bird's eye view. Maybe it's an angel's eye view.
Like it's way up there. It's not very grounded human
experience. And also sometimes going up
there and seeing things from thesky puts things in perspective.
Oh, we're fucking tiny and it's not that big of a fucking deal.

(22:13):
I'm just a speck. On on a speck next to other
specs like our our our Galaxy looks like a speck if you zoom
out far enough right. Spec Life.
Exactly, exactly. So I just kind of, I kind of
just realized and like, what if,what if that's true?

(22:34):
I don't need anything. And what if what's actually most
true and in my my felt experience, most empowering is
that I choose to be here, I wantto be here.
I choose life. I choose to wake up every
morning. I choose to be live and
everything that comes after the choice to be alive is just

(22:55):
something I want and it's a choice that I'm making.
What if that's the case? And the more I sit in that
frequency and the more that I allow that to just be true and
to honor, like can I drop into my human experience when I have
a feeling and go, oh, Ouch, thathurts.
I feel like I need something from someone.
And can I honor that within myself?
Yes. Can I also step up while I'm in
that experience and go, OK, I have choices here.

(23:16):
I feel the sense of a need. I have choices here.
And just to hold both of those things at the same time because
the actual foundation and root of our power as we're defining
here is our choice. So if we always come back to my
very first choice is to be me, Iwoke up today to be me.
That's my choice. All other choices should lead
back to that fucking choice. And they do.

(23:39):
Whether you whether you are consciously doing that or not,
they will. Right.
Like my the the reflection of myself in my previous
relationship was tried and true.That wasn't a false reflection.
That was who I was choosing to be at that time.
He was reflecting everything in me that I either couldn't see,
was blind to see, unwilling to see, ignorant of.

(24:00):
And every day I got to make a new choice and every day I got
to make a new choice until I gotto the day where I where I
chose, I chose out. I said, OK, I'm done with this
moving on to the next thing. I'm just, I just wanted to like
present that thought project because the more I'm sitting
with that and like this conversation is really like kind
of solidifying it for me, the more I'm like, powerlessness is
like a fun little kinky thing welike to do just to, you know,

(24:24):
get our rocks off playing victim.
Oh, no, right. Like playing the damsel is
really fun and exciting, and theidea of being rescued is really
titillating for a brief moment until nobody comes to rescue
you. And then you're like, fuck, how
do I get out of this by myself? Because nobody's gonna save me.
Yeah, the whole I, I mean, I have to rescue myself.

(24:46):
I have to rescue myself, you know, and I love that concept
that you're talking about because I feel like within that
you were saying something. I'm trying to remember in in
your relationship about who thisis, who I'm choosing to be right
now, because that's how, how much being removed from the

(25:07):
relationship that I realized thesame thing.
Like, you know, I was, I was choosing to be that version of
myself. And then when I was stepping out
of it, it's like I was choosing to.
I don't want, I don't know if wewant to call it, if we're
gamifying it like level up or shed the skin or strip the
identity because that was a big part of that too, was all of

(25:29):
that. Even though it was a lot, it was
messy, it was safe. Leaving that container was
something that I didn't experience before.
I didn't know what it looked like.
So of course I kept wanting to turn my head and go back and go
back and go back because at least like, I knew what was

(25:50):
going to be there. Was it the most fulfilling
thing? No.
Was it what was going to bring me to where I'm at right now?
No. But at least I knew what to
expect. And now I'm stripping it all
away and choosing me and figuring out what that looks

(26:10):
like. And so far, it's pretty damn
great. Fuck yeah.
Fucking fuck yeah. I'm really curious about, you
know, the choosing himself in the context of bodybuilding,
because bodybuilding is something that's so convoluted
and a lot of people, myself included, you know, I bodybuild.

(26:33):
I did bodybuilding for like 4 years and I went pretty deep
into it and I got so fucking lost in the sauce, dude.
Oh, my lantas. Like it is such a it's such a
dangerous space for like the weak of heart and, and, and the,
and the, and the people who, whodon't know their power, who

(26:54):
think that they are powerless. And that's a place that people
are the the powerless. I feel, I don't know if this is,
if you would agree, Julia, but Ifeel the powerless are often
drawn to bodybuilding because there is this perception of
gaining power in being validated, being strong, being
winning, being told that you look the right way.

(27:17):
And so a lot of people end up getting into that game for kind
of the wrong reasons and then itfucks them.
And then they're like, like for myself, I spent, you know, 678,
not God, like 10 years, almost like rewiring and like undoing
the like body dysmorphia and allof the distorted ways of

(27:40):
thinking. So I mean, and you are somebody
who is clearly in her power, clearly crushing this game of
bodybuilding. And I would just love for you to
speak to all those girlies out there that are, you know,
because I, I know I'm not the only one.
Like I know a lot of girlies getin this for the same reasons I
did. And then they get they're like,
what? But I thought I was going to be
like Julia, and they're not. I have a six pack and I'm so

(28:04):
sad. Yeah, yeah.
No, I've had a six pack and beenvery sad.
They've been the heaviest that I've ever been post show because
I that's when I realized I had an eating disorder and also been
sad. So that's, I love that you're
saying that it's like if you're getting into this sport and

(28:25):
you're getting into it for thosereasons, you are going to be
very unhappy because it is so much more than that.
The bodybuilding has brought me so much and has brought me to
know your power and having this kind of impact.
So I love it and it can be such a good medicine for so many

(28:47):
things if used. I don't want to say it like
correctly, but when I first did my first two shows, it was very
much for that. It was for the trophy, it was
for the photos, the recognition,and so much so that I was
looking so far ahead forward that I can't really remember my
prep where I was so not present in all the things that were

(29:11):
happening that I really just remember getting my trophy on
stage. And I think that thought alone
was so scary for me because I was so not present in this thing
that I spent five months doing being that not present for five
months for this one moment on stage where you get a photo and

(29:34):
go and eat and that's it, It's over.
So I think when I realized that,that's when it really needed to
switch for me. It wasn't the next day, it was a
long time after that, but that'swhen I really started getting
into the journey and the nitty gritty details of what it takes
to be a bodybuilder and to compete at that high level.
And that is absolutely falling in love with the journey.

(29:58):
And by that I mean everything that comes with it because you
will feel all of the things, anything that has been hiding
that you've put a Band-Aid over that's like you've tucked away
in the corner, the flashlights going to come out and it will
point at it. It will.

(30:19):
And that's why I love it, the amazing opportunity.
Like sometimes I think I'm a saythis because I do a lot of
things that are just. You 10 out of 10 are bitch.
The level of excitement that shehas about being in prep.
I get excited for her when she'sin prep because I'm like, oh,
she gets to be in torture and that is so good for her.

(30:41):
Yeah, because like I I know whatit gives me each time and it
gives me exactly what I need. So like any of those things that
you've been shoving down and tucking away, like they will
come up and you'll, you have theopportunity if you take it, to
see it and address it. Because most, like, let's say

(31:01):
most of the population is livinga mundane life, one that I was
living before. You know where you wake up, you
go to your nine to five, you hate your job, you're paying the
bills, you go to sleep, you wakeup and you repeat.
And it's safe and it's comfortable, and there's nothing
in your life that pokes at you. And it's like, do something

(31:26):
different, like, let's see what happens.
And so bodybuilding has been that for me, where it forces you
to grow. Yes.
Because you will be. Love.
That tired you will be hungry, you will be angry, you'll
sometimes even like blame other people.
I've been there too, where I'm like mad about where I'm at in

(31:48):
my prep and I'm hungry even though I've chosen to do it.
So all of that, it takes so muchwork and attention.
And that's why I really love it because on the outside of it, I
learned so much about myself. And I always say I'm like,
bodybuilding is life. Like you can relate it to so

(32:10):
many different things. Mm hmm.
I love that perspective that just gave me so much because,
yeah, like I was going into it for the wrong reasons.
And I know, I know there's so many girls out there that are
like, I just really want to lookgood in a bikini.
I really want to do this to prepfor summer.
I really want to win. I really want to look hot.

(32:31):
I really want to get attention and you my friend are treating
it as like straight up like an ayahuasca experience.
You know. It's like it's straight the fuck
up. Like ayahuasca, like prep and
ayahuasca are like synonymous inthat way and the way that you're
treating it because it's like you go into this thing, it's not
going to be fun. You're going to maybe shit

(32:53):
yourself, you know? You're going to maybe like, you
know. Purge a whole.
Lot Your stomach's going to hurt.
You're going to be hungry, you're going to be thirsty, but
it's going to give you so much. And that's also making me think
of what it's. I think.
Yeah, it's David Goggins. He talks about how, you know,
he's like, the Navy SEAL guy who, like, got his life together

(33:16):
and, like, like, can't hurt me. And he's super fucking hardcore.
I recently saw him like the other week and he mentioned that
he like deliberately puts himself in uncomfortable
situations. Like he deliberately chooses
discomfort. He deliberately chooses the
things that he's like, fuck this.
I don't want to do this, but that space is and I'm loving

(33:39):
this, like addition to the Know Your Power conversation because
I feel like that's the space where you find it.
Oh, I love that. I love that you brought him up.
Yeah, he's so hardcore. And that does also kind of tie
back to that like, fear cue of like, oh, this might be
something that I need to do. And oh man, I love that.

(34:04):
There there's something I, I'm just noticing in, you know,
having, you know, the intimate details of all three of our
stories. And also just like noticing
patterns in women and really just thinking about the
relationship cycles that we end up in, whether it's with other
women or men in our lives or, you know, women in our whatever
that is. And I think something that I

(34:27):
noticed when I'm talking to women, you know, just in the
victim mindset is the perceptionof powerlessness.
And it's very embodied and it's a part of their identity and
it's a part of just the their self narration.
And I think a lot of that comes right off the surface and right
off the RIP right when you're born as a woman, because
physical strength and power is highlighted in a patriarchal

(34:47):
society. And I'm not blaming the
patriarch, I'm just saying that is part of the the idea of
imperialism and colonialism and men being stronger and needing
to protect and save women is their physical strength.
What we're talking about here isnot physical strength, though in
Julia's case it might translate to that.

(35:09):
And something I've really, really started to pay attention
to with me and Millie and I makethese jokes all the time.
And you know, I make the jokes about you loving Prep and you're
absolutely a sadist sadomasochist.
Like you have a whole thing going on there and it's super
cool and it's producing great results for you.
But Millie and I talk about all the time how we're like, we're
so hardcore and like literally we'll watch each other go
through our processes and we will say in our feedback like,

(35:31):
OK, look, I know you. You're going to have to fucking
like nail this to the fucking wall before you're done with it.
So I see that's what you're doing.
I trust you. When you're done with it, I know
you'll be done with it. You love the edges, you kinky
bitch. And when I got out of, when I
fully walked away from my last partnership, I was just, I had
this moment. I think I probably messaged

(35:51):
Mellie because I tell her every little thought I have.
It's like literally just like I was like my propensity for self
hatred and self loathing and to act that out in my choices in
the face of men is stunning. It's fucking insane.
And then I was like, Oh my God, that is repressed power.

(36:13):
That is a tolerance and a stamina built into my nervous
system from all of the trauma that I have ever experienced
that I can choose to shift somewhere else.
So as soon as I realized that I was like, and then listening to
this conversation and like knowing you both so well and how
powerful you are and how much both of you just inspire me on a

(36:34):
regular fucking basis. Plus you're both so fucking
beautiful. I cannot say that enough.
I just keep staring at the screen and I'm like, these are
my friends. But in any case, just like for
the women listening, if you're the kind of bitch who's been
sitting in toxic and abusive relationships your whole life,
you are fucking so powerful, youcrazy, crazy woman.
You are withstanding and tolerating so much and you're

(36:59):
still here and you're probably still trying to love the toxic
out of these people. What if?
What if you had the fucking audacity to listen to this
podcast and to consider what is your version of Prep?
It's it's not a bodybuilding stage necessarily.
What is your version of Prep? How can you take that innate

(37:19):
power in you to withstand pain, to have constant grit and
resilience, to be able to tolerate and obliterate yourself
for a goal? I'm going to chase that love and
I'm going to love this person into submission.
What if you stop doing that and draining your vital life force
on someone who is never going tochange?
And even if they could, wouldn'tdo it for you, would they would

(37:40):
have to do it for themselves. And you can't make them do that.
As sexy as you might be, as goodas your cooking is, as well as
you keep the home clean, what ifyou shifted that into choosing
yourself in just one tiny way a day?
What if the pain and discomfort and the tolerance to that pain
and discomfort you have shifts over into building a business

(38:03):
with your best friend? Shifts into spending more time
with your kids, shifts into getting a different fucking job
because this one, you hate this one.
What if it shifts into finely decluttering your fucking closet
because you know you're going tofeel so much better about
yourself and if you can find that one fucking pair of pants,
your whole life will be fucking better.

(38:25):
It doesn't have to be the biggest or the loftiest goal.
But what if instead of draining it in relationships, whether
that's with a partner or a toxicfriendship or a family member or
your boss or your fucking car, whatever, you have this like
women. Women tolerate and withstand so
much. Just look at our freaking

(38:46):
history. We're still here, we're still
alive, we're still conquering, we're still learning.
It's like no matter how many times we get wiped out, we come
right back up. We're like fucking termites or
something. You can't get rid of us.
I just, I'm hearing this and I'mseeing you too.
And I'm like, we need to go findall the women who are just
annihilating themselves everywhere and go, Mama, do you
want to do that over here? Instead?
There's riches and food and friends over this way.

(39:09):
Come on. I love that because I think that
through my journey, what I realized was if I was powerful
enough to create that much suffering for myself, wouldn't I
also be powerful enough to create everything that I ever
wanted? Yes.

(39:30):
My. Yes, yes, I really, you know
what? I really want to put your before
photo in in like the stuff because maybe that maybe that's
the thumbnail because it's it's so incredible because like
truly, when I met her, she was like already kind of getting
into fitness, but she was so small and so quiet and so

(39:51):
introverted And like I am tryingto imagine the Julia I met like
looking at you now and being like, I'm talking to all these
people and I'm confident and I'mnot like.
How long ago? How many years ago was that?
Five years. And would you say that like
there's been a steady growth period over the five years or do
you feel like there was like a like a catalytic moment more

(40:12):
recently where everything just kind of flipped on its head?
I think kind of like what I was talking about at the beginning,
it was very small. It was very small things.
If I could like name the big things, it would be quitting my
job and going all like quitting my job and leaving my
relationship like all in the same moment and going all in.

(40:38):
And I'm going to become a bodybuilder and I'm going to do
social media. And my parents were like, what
is happening? They were so scared and I almost
didn't make rent. And then finally, like I signed
my first client. That's the, I feel like in my
head universe was rewarding me for choosing the path that I
intuitively knew that I should go.

(40:59):
And then after that, you know, having the courage to speak on a
podcast and then having the courage to like do post actually
my face on social media to, to do an Instagram story.
I used to do Instagram stories and I would do 5 at a time and
I'd be like, that was so stupid.You sound so stupid.
OK, let's try it again. OK, Now say it perfectly.

(41:20):
Now I don't even care. I'm like, like, if I mess up, it
doesn't matter. And if five years ago, Julia
would see Julia right now, or you would tell her that she was
speaking on a stage, walking on a stage, a professional bot, she
would laugh and be like, not me.I was a girl that was hiding in

(41:44):
the bathroom at the parties because I didn't want to be
there and I was scared. Yeah, literally at the very
beginning of our relationship, I've thought she was beautiful
and amazing. The whole freaking time I was
like, oh, she's amazing and wonderful.
And this woman now, you know, stands on stages pretty much
naked in front of so many people, like, squeezing her body
to death. Like, look at all my muscles.

(42:05):
And I was like staring at her across on a boat party and just
like talking about how beautifulshe was and she was so fucking
uncomfortable about one person who she knew looking at her and
admiring her beauty. And now look what she's fucking
doing. It's amazing.
I love that. And I feel like something that,
you know, I'm, I'm putting myself in the shoes of like, you

(42:29):
know, Mellie five years ago, Julia five years ago, Liv five
years ago. And you know, for the Julias
Mellies and lives that are at like the five year ago mark now
that are like, fuck, like, I don't know if I can do that.
Like I don't know if I could leave my job.
I don't know if I can leave the relationship.
I don't know if I can do that. And then like, what would I do?

(42:51):
You know, what would I do? I feel like that's the question
that like would come into my mind.
Like if I were to pop the bubble, like you said Julia,
like if I were to like poke the thing, poke the bear, like stir
the pot, you know, choose out, then what do I do?
Like I just, I would love to hear if you have any like, like

(43:12):
what's the first step that you have to do just to choose
yourself when you get out of that situation?
Like you've made the choice. Like you're like, OK, I'm out
now. What the fuck?
Cuz now you have a blank canvas in your small mind and that's
fucking scary. I mean yay, you have a blank
canvas. Paint, baby paint.

(43:36):
Like that's how I felt. I would say like the true first
moment that I can. Maybe it maybe it wasn't even
that. I feel like maybe the first one
was where my brother saw something in me when I was young
and he was the one who encouraged me to be a wrestler.
And at my school, there was no girls that wrestled.

(43:57):
It was weird. I was going to be made fun of.
All the other girls were doing dance.
I couldn't dance to save my life.
And my brother saw some sort of strength in me.
And I think that was the first time that I went against the
grain. And it took a long time to get
to that point. And I remember the moment where
I saw how powerful I was and that I could do it.

(44:21):
I was like body. I was AI body slammed my friend.
I wasn't even in wrestling and we're just playing in the summer
and I picked her up and I body slammed her on the floor and she
didn't get up and I knocked the wind out of her.
Everyone came to her and I stoodthere like and then and then

(44:42):
real, oh shit, are you okay? Are you okay?
But that was the moment. That was the moment that I said
I need to go and do this. I was I, I think I was meant to
be a wrestler. That was the first time that I
did something that was against the grain or different for a
woman to do, regardless of what everybody thought.
My mom was scared I was going toget injured.

(45:04):
My grandpa was like, can't you pick a girlier sport?
But my brother believed in me inthat moment.
And then again, choosing to leave my salon job where my mom
was a hair stylist and we had the same job and my life was
kind of planned and figured out.I was going to own a salon like

(45:24):
and I was dating someone that myparents really wanted me to
marry. And he was great and all.
And I chose to do something different.
And that wasn't just one moment of being like, I'm done.
It was, it was years of built upfeelings and me shoving them
down, shoving them down because it wasn't what was normal.
It was a different path than my parents expected.

(45:47):
The comments that my family would make.
And eventually I got to that point where like I made the
decision. And then after that, once you
make the decision, you got to keep going.
And that's where most people will go back.
They'll go back because of what everybody else is saying or

(46:08):
because it seems too big and it seems too scary.
And I almost did. I almost did.
I remember quitting the job at the salon December 19th.
And I didn't know if I was goingto be make rent.
And I remember even telling my ex.
Should I call them like, like, should I try and like get my job
back? Like I'm not making any.

(46:30):
I'm not, no one is buying my program.
No one's going to listen to me. I'm too young, I'm too dumb, I'm
too whatever. And I just kept going and I kept
reaching out to people on Instagram and I was like, I, I
feel something here. So I'm going to keep going full
speed ahead at this thing. And I finally sold my first
client and I was able to make rent.

(46:51):
And each time it's been like that, you know, that walking
through like quicksand and you're like, like, how are we
going to get there? How are we going to get there?
But you keep going and you keep going.
And if it's the thing that's meant for you, it's going to
work out. There have been moments where,
you know, I thought that something was the thing, whether

(47:13):
it was a partner or a business opportunity.
And I tried to strong arm it, tomake it be what I wanted it to
be. And it was never supposed to be
for me, hindsight 2020, I was like, oh, OK, it wasn't that
wasn't that wasn't my game to play.
Isn't. It does that answer your
question? Yes, it does.

(47:35):
And it's such a good reminder for me right now and and live
too, because we're in that sauce, right?
We're like in the phase of, OK, we're choosing this and it's not
obviously, we're not obviously crushing it in every way.
It's like the point where the point where you have to continue
to choose, continue to choose, continue to choose so that you

(47:57):
can crush. And that's the hardest, the
hardest kind of getting a littleflustered.
And we're kind of getting a little overwhelmed and we're
kind of being like, holy fuck, how am I going to sustain this?
And it's just like becoming this, like, oh, fuck.
And it's a really good reminder that you just have to keep
choosing it. And that's what I keep telling
Liv, too. Like, that's what I always say.

(48:18):
And it's mostly a reminder for myself.
And I say it. I'm like all we have to do is
not quit. Yeah, like literally.
No, it's a good reminder. The example that I use with my
clients, like I can relate almost anything back to like
bodybuilding or health and fitness.
And this is like, I feel like it's a really, it clicks in my
brain. But the way that I explain it to

(48:38):
my clients when they're trying to make some sort of habit
change or a physique change, imagine like a statue.
And before a statue is created, usually it's just a giant square
block or something. And everything that you're doing
with the podcast with going to cardio, not snoozing your alarm,
going to the gym when you don't want to, eating the healthy

(49:00):
meal, saying no, I'm not going out to drinking.
You are chip, chip chipping awayat that block.
Most people, they don't get the result right away.
They don't see the statue fully created right away, so they stop
chipping away. And of course you're never going
to see it. Same thing goes with like Babe
philosophy or any business adventure or whatever it's going

(49:21):
to be. You're going to keep chip, chip
chipping away. Keep because eventually you're
going to chip so much that that statue is going to show.
Yes, I don't give up. Before you see that result.
This. Is fucking.
Epic. That's exactly the thing that I
I reading this book called 10X is easier than 2X.

(49:42):
And we were on a podcast a few weeks ago with a woman who is a
quantum healer and she was describing quantum leaping and I
brought up the concept that's very similar to quantum leaping
in a more in a less quantum way of speaking.
I gave the example of Michelangelo, who said that the
way he made the David and what he says is I just took away

(50:04):
every piece of rock that wasn't the David, just chipped it right
away. He's just chipped it, right?
Like it's exactly what you said,Julia.
And chills. Around my head.
I got the same thing. I was like, I know what the
David and Mellie goes. I've been getting chilled.
And then that day, yes, that dayat that podcast, Liv texted me

(50:27):
and she was like, Mama, I think we should 10X.
And I was like, fuck yeah, I think we should.
And that was like a month ago and now he we are.
Yeah wow, I believe in y'all so much like I really do.
Thank you. Like I'm so fired up.
I can't wait to see what you guys do and I'm here to support

(50:47):
in any way. Oh my God, Thank you.
Ditto, dude, seriously, Ditto. I, you know, I, you, you, one of
the things that you constantly to inspire me in is something
that I've been really sitting with a lot because, and I think
it goes really hand in hand withwhat we've just been talking
about. And it's like after you take
that leap, you, you, you can't know what's next because it's

(51:08):
your blank campus. It's your life.
Nobody's been you before. Nobody's lived your life.
Your life will look distinctly different and similar to
everybody else's life. And so we kind of look and we
want it to be explained to us, but the only person who's an
expert in the field is you. And so if you can just remember,
oh, I'm making it up right now. I don't know how because I'm

(51:30):
literally figuring it out right now.
You can kind of like breathe a little bit and just remember
where you're at. And remember, and we talked
about in the show all the time to Revere the liminal spaces.
The liminal spaces are the learning spaces.
The liminal spaces are prep. It's where you get to be
present. It's where you get to learn
yourself. It's where you get to see the
beauty in life, the pain in life, where you have

(51:51):
opportunities to expand, where you're blaming other people for
your choice to eat dry chicken and rice.
You know, I can, I, I can, I canjust feel this way in which
these kinds of things are, theseare the initiations into you
becoming your biggest self. And people are afraid of being
initiated into their bigness. And if you can just recognize
that, oh, I'm afraid of being the biggest, baddest, bestest

(52:13):
bitch in the room, I can keep choosing that or I can go.
I don't know why I'm scared of it, but I am.
And I'm just going to fucking plummet face first into it.
Literally. Faceplant do it.
And I really love that you came back to the idea of presence.
And I was going to bring that upagain earlier when you mentioned

(52:35):
it. Julia is just the, the, the, the
forgetting of your prep the first time around and like not
having been present with five months of your life like that is
such a fucking dead ass. Like, yo, you're not doing the
thing for the right reasons. And I feel like that's such a
good like litmus test for peopleto like, because people, a lot

(52:57):
of times people are confused or like, am I doing it for right
reasons? Am I where I'm supposed to be?
Does this make sense? And I feel like that's such a
great filter. It's like, are you, are you
present? Are you cool with where you are
right now, or are you desperately trying to get to the
other side? And if that yeah, it's okay to
have that goal. It's okay to have your eyes set

(53:18):
on that. But are you cool with right
here, right fucking now? And if you're not, you're not
doing the thing, my guy. Exactly.
I tell this, I use this example a lot with my client clients.
I'm like, I feel like we live inan Amazon era where you can get
whatever you want. Like the next day you can get
food delivered, groceries. You really don't have to ever

(53:38):
leave your house if you don't want to.
You know, our goals are not going to be the same.
They're they're, they're really not.
And we always want to skip to that good part.
We're so used to things like coming like that.
And the magic is in all of that uncomfy stuff that you're going
through right now. Like when you guys get to that

(53:59):
level that 10X that you want this podcast to be because
you're such present women, you're going to remember all of
this that you were going throughright now and you're going to
look back and be like, remember how scared we were?
Remember how uncomfortable it was when we chose ourselves?
You're going to remember that stuff.
And it's going to be that thing that you're like, oh, you look
back and you're like, oh, like Ican look back on five year old

(54:21):
Julia and be like, oh, she was scared out of her damn mind.
And when we're not present, we miss all of that.
That's your story. Amen, Hallelujah, Amen.
That's just story. Don't sleep on it.
This has been such. I needed this conversation so

(54:41):
bad. Yes, thank you.
This your energy is fire, bitch I.
Love you. I can deal with anybody and get
them motivated. Yeah, wow.
I want a Julia alarm that wakes me up every morning.
Choose yourself. Choose yourself.
Bitch, get up. I would be like today's a good
day. This is venture, Julia.

(55:03):
That would be great. That would crush.
Right, Yes, people. I would.
I'm I'm, I'm a fan of it. We'll sell it over here.
I love it. Thank you guys so much.
Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much.
Can you go ahead and just give our listeners an idea of where
they can connect with you and find you on the Internet?
Yes, I am on all the social medias under score Julia Renee,

(55:26):
but Renee is with 1E. Absolutely wonderful.
I will put that in the show notes for everybody.
Thank you, thank you, thank you,thank you.
This was an excellent fire conversation.
Thank you everyone who's listening, please, please,
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people. Let's have some fucking babe
conversations, not just a bunch of talking heads.
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